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08:34 awt signpost: very nice!
08:35 awt !!ticker btc usd
08:35 deedbot $23,821
08:38 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-16#1023411 << done
08:38 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-16 16:25:19 cgra[jonsykkel|awt|signpost]: would billymg like to peer?
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10:14 cgra billymg, ip addr i gave you is outdated, but also somehow no address cast success yet
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11:05 awt cgra: billymg is possibly running an older blatta
11:14 billymg i've also historically had problems peering with some people
11:14 bitbot Logged on 2022-05-27 19:17:28 billymg: so that takes care of my peer issue with crawlerbot at least, /at now shows us directly connected. unfortunately that doesn't help me in debugging the peer issue with shinohai, signpost, and mod6
11:15 billymg though out of that list something finally shook loose with shinohai and i started receiving packets from him
11:15 billymg just out of the blue started working, sometime around the end of last year
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11:37 asciilifeform billymg: iirc he finally switched to a non-nat'd box at some pt (not long before going off to sea or wherever he is nao)
11:42 cgra ah i see
11:45 asciilifeform phf ( or any other folx who operate crapple irons ) -- know whether crapple sells a box that can drive 3 'displayport' outputs ?
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11:46 asciilifeform ( ... signpost ? billymg ? )
11:48 * asciilifeform dug through their www and not arrived at a clear verdict
11:50 cgra billymg, does your ip change often? mine does
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12:09 cgra getdata c3914075ef8df5c8b48a1e405b1171edb6b900ed81139c984938264077cbcd20 billymg
12:09 cgra oops!
12:10 cgra pest undo button when?
12:23 awt cgra: the console window is gonna be nice. Typing commands into the message box is inevitably going to cause pain.
12:32 asciilifeform awt: in asciilifeform's proto, console is a tab window, eats various commands
12:34 billymg cgra: no, my pest box is on a static ip
12:35 billymg cgra: ah, we seem to be peered now
12:36 billymg my at showing packets from you
12:37 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-17#1023443 << don't know for sure but if any of the non-x86 boxes in their current lineup could it would be the 'macbook pro' or the 'mac studio'
12:37 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-17 11:45:51 asciilifeform[4]: phf ( or any other folx who operate crapple irons ) -- know whether crapple sells a box that can drive 3 'displayport' outputs ?
12:37 asciilifeform interesting evident packet race btw
12:38 asciilifeform billymg: reading their brochure, seems like both of these require 1 out to be via hdmi
12:38 asciilifeform (primary display?)
12:39 asciilifeform ( if wondering wai would giveashit -- asciilifeform's kvm eats strictly displayport, and hdmi->displayport requires an active box, and asciilifeform tried half dozen vendors for the latter, none of'em work reliably )
12:41 billymg asciilifeform: ah found it: "Up to four external displays: Up to three external displays with 6K resolution at 60Hz over Thunderbolt and one external display with up to 4K resolution at 144Hz over HDMI"
12:41 billymg seems to meet your reqs
12:41 asciilifeform billymg: ty. ( not aboutta entomb a lappy in the rack tho )
12:42 asciilifeform seems like none of their low-end 'bricks' do it, at 1st glance
12:42 billymg asciilifeform: from mac studio specs: "Support for up to four Pro Display XDRs (6K resolution at 60Hz and over a billion colors) over USB-C and one 4K display (4K resolution at 60Hz and over a billion colors) over HDMI"
12:42 billymg one of those would rack neatly i imagine
12:43 asciilifeform a, ty. maybe will use that 1 ( egregious, imho, that 4k$+ and soldered-on hdd, lol, tho )
12:45 asciilifeform wonder if that thing has same problem as prev. crapples (loses order of displays ~errytime the kvm switches)
12:46 * asciilifeform lulzily, nao on 3rd year of hunting for any possible replacement for his kvm, but there's still exactly 1 chipset that does '3x4'
12:46 billymg asciilifeform: seems for that model you can still get the same display support on the "cheap" ($2k) model
12:47 asciilifeform billymg: rright but then yer stuck with toy ram/disk
12:47 asciilifeform (both soldered in)
12:47 billymg yeah
12:51 * asciilifeform luckily not relies on crapple heavily, but is embroiled in certain commercial liquishit which runs there, so has for many yrs kept 1 around and periodically used
12:55 signpost http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-17#1023443 << no idea, mac's been collecting dust for about 1.5yr
12:55 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-17 11:45:51 asciilifeform[4]: phf ( or any other folx who operate crapple irons ) -- know whether crapple sells a box that can drive 3 'displayport' outputs ?
12:56 * asciilifeform has also been carrying on a crapple port of gui pestron proto (for use on lappies) but developing on lappy has proved physically unpleasant
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12:59 asciilifeform signpost: crapple seems to be carrying on their 'fine tradition' of snipping previously-commonplace pheatures from their irons and repackaging at 2-3x multiple of cost in 'pro' version
13:00 asciilifeform ( and sometimes, as with ability to replace ram/disk -- in no version at all )
13:02 signpost sounds about right. mac's about 10% of their revenue these days.
13:02 billymg asciilifeform: you vill own nothing and you vill be happy
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13:02 signpost at some point they'll just slap an attached keyboard on an iPad and call it a day.
13:03 asciilifeform signpost: from iron pov, their current lappy is moar or less that already
13:03 signpost in unrelated news, phf is right. half of "AI" is trans weebs.
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13:04 asciilifeform ( tho, interestingly, that thing is in fact the fastest (single-threaded, at any rate) box in asciilifeform's torture room, lol
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13:04 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-23 13:32:55 asciilifeform[5]: phf: moar re new crapples : on 'm2' fanless lappy, built ffa, and this benchmark ran in 1min 41s.
13:04 asciilifeform )
13:04 asciilifeform signpost: this re the 'tab complete ai' service from earlier thrd ?
13:05 * signpost booting up an opensource turd gpt
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13:05 signpost seeing for what evils it can be used, if any
13:11 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-17#1023481 << leased irons, incidentally, aint new, but rather a return to 'bad old days' of monopolies ( ibm's leased mainframes, at&t phone, etc ) and their return is unsurprising in context of collapse
13:11 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-17 13:02:18 billymg: asciilifeform: you vill own nothing and you vill be happy
13:11 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2022-03-24 asciilifeform: see e.g. ancient orc proverb, 'how do you make a cow eat less and give more milk?' 'feed it less, milk it more'
13:12 asciilifeform ( similarly to how 'software as service'(tm) is a return to ye olde time-sharing systems )
13:15 asciilifeform ... in particular, is imho precisely what one'd expect in context of 'death of moore's law'. vendor cannot live if is enuff for user to buy 1 box and sit on it for 20+y until the capacitors pop
13:15 awt http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=cue7 << interesting doxxing
13:16 asciilifeform awt: loox liek standard prb fluff piece ( where's the interesting part.. ? )
13:18 awt Reads as an attack to me
13:18 awt Attack on prb that is
13:19 asciilifeform fluff in the 'prb is bitcoin!'(tm)(r) party line invariably baked into these
13:21 awt Article title: "Bitcoin’s Future Depends on a Handful of Mysterious Coders"
13:21 * asciilifeform recalls over9000 similar pieces
13:23 asciilifeform the hilarious bit naodays is that prb is irrelevant not because seekrit 'heart' of trb-compat. noades, but because ~nobody is actually using bitcoin afaik
13:24 dulapbot Logged on 2023-01-18 14:17:41 asciilifeform: signpost: wouldn't surprise asciilifeform if turns out that the 'halving vs exchrate' patter no longer holds anymoar, nao that 'no actual btc harmed in the making of this film'(tm) gox-powered arse-mouth-system 'economy' prevails
13:24 signpost https://bitcoincore.org/en/2018/09/20/notice/ << the bug they mention was introduced rather recently.
13:24 signpost introduced in 0.15
13:24 asciilifeform quite similarly to the irrelevant of physical au to 'metals market'
13:24 asciilifeform *irrelevance
13:24 signpost would not be surprised if intentionally
13:24 asciilifeform i.e. paperization.
13:25 asciilifeform signpost: entirely typical
13:25 asciilifeform ( these lulz have worked in precisely same way since e.g. 'heartbleed' )
13:26 signpost yep, behold as central banks are all apparently loading up on gold, and exchange rate is currently around what it was in 2011
13:27 asciilifeform noshit, cuz what they 'loaded up on' is vapour.
13:28 signpost what, you don't like optimized code?
13:28 signpost best optimizations are stacked optimizations
13:28 asciilifeform loltimized, and openly brag of 'covert fixes' etc
13:28 asciilifeform hey, the dough for these derps to eat gotta come from somewhere, neh
13:29 asciilifeform quite possibly, nsa is the only 'sponsor' remaining
13:31 asciilifeform goxes maintaining the pretense that lusers 'can withdraw actual btc on-chain' not requires any kinda high-quality softs.
13:31 * asciilifeform wonders when the remnants of that pretense will finally evaporate
13:32 signpost I wager they'll just make BTC an "accredited investor" thing
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13:32 signpost lock out the poors
13:37 asciilifeform signpost: afaik the current 'lock' is entirely satisfactory
13:37 asciilifeform y'know, precisely like for physical au.
13:38 signpost nah, can still pull BTC out of kraken and coinbase to 1address to this day.
13:38 asciilifeform ( can go and buy all the au bricks you like, it'll be 'worth' what the paper pushers decide it is 'worth' )
13:38 signpost but I do think they'll close that down to "non-accredited"
13:38 signpost why wouldn't they
13:38 signpost ah sure, no question. both items are a bet on the death of USD.
13:38 asciilifeform signpost: satisfying a plebe's 'lemme withdraw my 0.5' is quite cheap.
13:39 signpost or at least mega-diminution from reserve currency of rock 3
13:40 asciilifeform signpost: 'they'll ban goxes! finally!' imho is an unattainable dream. goxes are the key instrument of paperization and exchrate control.
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13:40 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2022-01-19 asciilifeform: the reason why various 2010s 'they'll ban goxes!' prognoses (incl. asciilifeform's) came to nuffin, is that turns out goxes are a very effective instrument of exchrate control, and
13:41 asciilifeform recall how au aficionados have been jacking off to 'fdr will return from grave and ban our bricks' for nearly century
13:41 asciilifeform is no accident that no one since the brain-damaged fuhrer did any such thing
13:42 asciilifeform ( and see also . )
13:43 dulapbot Logged on 2022-12-14 12:05:47 asciilifeform: billymg: per asciilifeform's pov, worst thing that's happened to bitcoin to date was its 2010s 'legalization' and the 'institutional' 'law-abiding' vermin crawling in and pumping/dumping
13:43 signpost not ban. the beoble will be able to have their kraken account with $x "BTC"
13:46 asciilifeform as fishing worx over9000 better with the worm than without, the pretense of 'can withdraw btc' is inexpensive to satisfy, rather like how the au chumpatrons will happily ship you a brick (just not 1000 bricks)
13:47 asciilifeform already erry gox to date worked a++ until someone 'asked for withdraw of 1000 bricks'
13:49 asciilifeform point being, if not obv, that the linkage of paperolade to physical au / chained btc / etc., however tenuous, is still req'd to properly control the exchrate of the real thing
13:51 asciilifeform failing this, 'real thing' becomes a 'teleportable cocaine' and exchrate --> maxint.
13:51 asciilifeform like e.g. usd in late ussr.
13:55 asciilifeform bans in such case do ~0 (possession of au/usd in qty in orcistan was a hanging offense). folx in reich would already save in cocaine if the latter were instantly authenticable and not inflationary (the cartels afaik do a decent job ensuring that it is inflationary)
13:58 asciilifeform not even speaking of 'teleportable cocaine'.
14:00 asciilifeform there are already reich subjects who 'save in'... machine guns. with all the obv. pitfalls.
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14:25 awt $knob
14:28 awt Just set my station's address_cast_interval_seconds knob to 3600, ftr, in order to reduce spam until I can get a patch out.
14:33 awt Patch will send ac spam on: launch, address change, peer creation age > current_time - new_peer_ac_cutoff_seconds
14:42 awt * peer creation time
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16:14 billymg awt, or others on twitter, what's all this "ordinals" noise about?
16:17 billymg i haven't bothered to look, but seem to remember seeing somewhere how they're loading arbitrary data (jpegs in this case) into the part of a segwit transaction reserved for the wit, and apparently this part has no space constraint?
16:17 billymg is that description anywhere remotely close to what that thing is supposed to be or how it's supposed to work?
16:19 signpost https://docs.ordinals.com/ << you can apparently study ordinal theory here billymg
16:19 bitbot (trilema) 2018-01-28 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."
16:23 asciilifeform billymg: see ancient #t logs, this lul appeared in 2010s as 'coloured coins'
16:23 asciilifeform ( apparently risen nao from grave ? )
16:24 asciilifeform there's no theoretical limit to shitcoin proliferation -- next yr some huckster will offer 'serialized satoshis' in reversed order, or whatever nonsense, get'em onto goxes, and siphon some coin from gullible tards. rinse, repeat.
16:24 billymg asciilifeform: yeah, that's what i assumed it was as well
16:25 * billymg will look again to see if i can find where it said that this new scheme stores data on the actual (segwit) blockchain and that the size is unrestricted
16:26 signpost would be entertaining if they snuck a runaway disk-space eater into prb
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16:30 billymg signpost: i was thinking it would be the perfect opportunity for a pro-trb / anti-segwit propaganda push
16:31 billymg hrm, not "unlimited" though: "As a result, anyone can now store unlimited amounts of data with this function by paying for it, as long as the total block size remains under 4 MB."
16:31 billymg that type of wording must have been where i got the "unlimited" notion from before
16:31 billymg but nonetheless an easy way to generate spam and max out each block
16:39 awt apparently wherever "ordinals" are stored is offered at a subsidised price.
16:52 billymg awt: how does that work?
16:52 billymg i mean the subsidized part
16:57 awt billymg: this explains it pretty well: https://learnmeabitcoin.com/technical/transaction-weight "This weight measurement basically gives the validation part of a transaction (the signature data) a discount, so it doesn’t take up as much “space” inside a block. In other words, the signature data is less costly than th
16:57 awt e rest of the transaction data."
17:10 * asciilifeform lulz at the derps marketing space on ~other folx's~ hdds
17:10 asciilifeform incidentally, equally tru of the original
17:11 asciilifeform ( see also )
17:11 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2021-11-08 asciilifeform: i.e. the 'responsibility collapse triangle' of collectivist failure where there's 'users' who 'just want', and a set of 'providers' who are to supply the thing they 'just want', and somehow they are to live happily-ever-a
17:16 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-17#1023562 << fwiw folx have been stuffing arbitrary bits into blocks, in various ways, since almost day0. this costs tho, and so was not commonly done without 'reason'
17:16 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-17 16:26:22 signpost: would be entertaining if they snuck a runaway disk-space eater into prb
17:16 asciilifeform ( 'reason' was mostly the reich-sponsored 'stress test' of '16-18, to help spread 'blox are toosmall!' fud )
17:17 * signpost not familiar, but looks at brief glance like moving dbcoin and IOUcoin is popular enough that block space is cheap.
17:17 signpost and made slightly cheaper with this hack that crams the dickbutt.gif into the sig
17:17 signpost given the weight thing
17:20 * asciilifeform was aboutta ask 'what stops $derp2 from stuffing a dickbutt2.gif, visually indistinguishable but binary-unidentical to $derp1's dickbutt.gif into the block and 'marketing' same' but realized that the answr, as with prior hash schemes, not matters 1 whit
17:21 signpost https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-size.html#3y << looks like yep
17:25 asciilifeform luckily, participation in this idiocy is (as was with 'coloured coins', 'nft', etc. garbage) -- 100% optional
17:26 asciilifeform in this case not even competes for space in actual blox.
17:30 asciilifeform scammers will not likely give up attempts to 'replay 2009' by convincing morons that $item-created-from-thin-air is 'valuable'.
17:30 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2021-07-18 asciilifeform: erryone wants to 'be satoshi'. how to achieve this if not by somehow replaying history with $perp at 'the center'.
17:32 asciilifeform considering how easy and cheap it is, and fact that 'sucker born erryminute', will never become -ev, either
17:32 asciilifeform entirely like email spam.
17:35 asciilifeform 'numismatics' is precisely the correct analogy -- buncha idjit idlers convince ea. other that penny with the face struck backwards or whatnot, 'valuable', happily sell'em to 1 anuther for 1000$; entirely harmless to other folx
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21:11 crtdaydreams ZX47oOlCwWTPyIpowGh5VMkB9sbAwJO+HiLcp4gmIxVgxobeJgH+k+mlYzvAHCwNHyF7grRx2DfJmWpyaeFsXg==
21:11 crtdaydreams OOP
21:11 crtdaydreams rip launch codes
21:15 crtdaydreams billymg: req updated AT plox
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21:42 crtdaydreams test
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22:10 signpost damn it bobby, a man's pest keys are his sacred honor. you don't go hhwavin' then around for every lookie-lou
22:22 asciilifeform lol!
22:22 asciilifeform hey is this the 1st recorded own goal ?
22:25 crtdaydreams asciilifeform launch key noncritical
22:26 asciilifeform a, was it meant to go in %key foo bar
22:26 crtdaydreams ascii, current ip?
22:27 crtdaydreams did some fiddling with iptables trying to get nat working (still seeing you as hearsay)
22:27 crtdaydreams fresh pestron + db
22:27 * signpost also btw
22:27 crtdaydreams hence pasted kodes
22:27 asciilifeform crtdaydreams: 100.15.135.247
22:30 crtdaydreams radio silence
22:31 crtdaydreams bizzare behaviour considering peered with awt, signpost et jonsykkel
22:31 * asciilifeform in a nat and to this day not found how to get port fwd reliably
22:31 asciilifeform crtdaydreams: let's try from other end? wat's yours
22:39 crtdaydreams asciilifeform: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fiwK
22:40 asciilifeform crtdaydreams: rekeyed and re-at'd
22:40 asciilifeform 'no packets...' tho
22:41 crtdaydreams odd
22:41 asciilifeform also for sumreason had to unpeer to get past ' Error attempting to add key '
22:41 asciilifeform ^ bug ?
22:41 crtdaydreams asciilifeform: corrupt db?
22:41 asciilifeform ( per spec, oughta eat any # of keys )
22:42 asciilifeform crtdaydreams: are you in a nat ?
22:42 crtdaydreams ascii ye, but I thought I had fwded successfully?
22:43 asciilifeform evidently nope
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23:07 signpost interesting thing in my case is that asciilifeform has an active peering with deedbot, but not me, and same ip:port in both ATs
23:10 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2021-06-30 mats: ill give you an invite to a private tracker for a song
23:12 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2022-05-09 asciilifeform: the banishment of 'institutional' scum from btcism can't happen soon enuff.
23:12 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2021-07-11 asciilifeform: actual commerce, i.e. the kind where you MAKE things, sell'em, do actual services for people, it is -- punished -- by the volatility
23:12 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2020-12-17 asciilifeform: ( usg tradition moar or less ~requires~ a 'controlled buy', i.e. executed by a dedicated stoolie, to convict a contrabandist. and not merely 'd00d admitted on his www that he once sold a bitcoin'. e.g. mp admitted that he once killed and ate a man, but observe that no one tried to
23:12 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2022-01-14 asciilifeform: i.e. you go to yer l1 hawaladar.
23:12 signpost o,0
23:22 crtdaydreams signpost: does deedbot run on homeserver or is it hosted elsewhere?
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23:49 signpost runs on a hosted server
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