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08:10 PeterL Hello. I suppose I have not checked in for a while. awt, what is the latest stable version of Blatta?
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09:15 awt Hey PeterL. Can you try 9969 - the problem with 9970 is that it sends an excessive amount of address cast messages. I've been running 9969 for about a day without any issues.
09:21 awt !!ticker btc usd
09:21 deedbot $24,909
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09:43 asciilifeform wb PeterL
09:49 PeterL sure, I'll see if I can set it up later today
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10:12 awt !!ticker btc usd
10:12 deedbot $25,040
10:15 awt http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=KLWh << "Exchanges would also need to set a strict limit for each customer’s exposure, depending partly on their financial situation, the regulator said." << http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-17#1023522
10:15 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-17 13:32:12 signpost: I wager they'll just make BTC an "accredited investor" thing
10:15 signpost dingdingding
10:15 signpost looks like this is the chicoms doing this?
10:16 awt signpost: yes via HK
10:20 awt Looking forward to having a way to preserve pastes
10:20 signpost working on an archiver?
10:21 * signpost hasn't flushed the toilet on the paster in a while, but had a bot post-loop on the thing before
10:21 awt signpost: I built an archiver. But looking forward to "articles" within pest.
10:22 signpost ah yep
10:22 signpost [The agency (SEC) is expected to pick it up again in April (2022) with a request for public comment on changing the definition of accredited investors who can participate in privately held, “unregistered” share offerings of at least $10 million, according to the agency’s fall 2021 regulatory agenda.][https://archive.
10:22 signpost is/WceUS]
10:22 signpost ah crap I reversed it
10:23 signpost [https://archive.is/WceUS][The agency (SEC) is expected to pick it up again in April (2022) with a request for public comment on changing the definition of accredited investors who can participate in privately held, “unregistered” share offerings of at least $10 million, according to the agency’s fall 2021 regulatory
10:23 signpost agenda.]
10:23 signpost well, too long and snipped anyway. but this change combined with the results of current SEC cases against shitcoins at least amounts to a normie ban on shitcoins.
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10:24 signpost dunno if they made the $10M limit change yet.
10:25 signpost gensler's a weird guy, don't know what to make of him yet.
10:28 awt http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023863 << wow yes
10:28 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-20 10:23:46 signpost: well, too long and snipped anyway. but this change combined with the results of current SEC cases against shitcoins at least amounts to a normie ban on shitcoins.
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11:01 asciilifeform hm did shitcoins get reich.adjudicated as 'shares' or is hypothetical ?
11:04 PeterL testing 9969?
11:05 signpost yeah, they're rolling through shitcoin companies in court setting precedent, going after anything that stakes, yields, etc.
11:05 awt PeterL: I read you
11:05 * asciilifeform skeptical re any possibility of deliberate scuttling of shitcoinism by reich. at this pt seems to be solidly part of the 'tbtf house of cards'
11:06 asciilifeform signpost: they'll simply switch to mavrodi/mmm-style 'we Officially promise nuffin'
11:06 signpost https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/02/09/kraken-agreed-to-shutter-crypto-staking-operations-to-settle-sec-charges-source/
11:06 awt asciilifeform: afaict SEC considers shitcoins to be securities hence shares
11:07 asciilifeform ( mavrodi's mmm started with 'shares', knocked down by ru equiv of 'sec', then rebranded the 'shares' to 'collectable paper with formally 0 worth'
11:07 asciilifeform )
11:07 PeterL awt, getting a wall of warnings in my log that I don't have mccrypt and is using pure python, didn't we suggest that would get checked once instead of constantly?
11:08 asciilifeform awt: linked piece seems to be concretely about 'staking services'
11:08 awt PeterL: hmm I thought I did fix that
11:08 asciilifeform (rather than shitcoins as a class)
11:08 asciilifeform 'Kraken’s staking service offered a 20% APY, promising to send customers staking rewards twice per week, according to its website.' etc
11:08 signpost https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2022/lr25573.htm
11:09 signpost sure, but just about all shitcoins have such a company behind them. lbry was an example.
11:10 asciilifeform likely. seems they'll simply change the verbiage tho, to mmm-style
11:10 signpost scam is perennial, of course.
11:11 signpost hilariously, gensler's claimed a few times that ethereum meets his definition of a commodity.
11:11 * asciilifeform ianal + not gives sufficient shit to dig deeply enuff to say whether it'll work
11:11 signpost point of bringing it up is a creep inward of govt, starting with easiest targets, rather than interest in usg legal trivia
11:11 awt PeterL: Looks like I didn't. To aleviate for now you can comment out line 80 in lib/message.py.
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11:13 asciilifeform signpost: reich enacted shitcoins, could, naturally, cancel'em whenever. but to asciilifeform not clear why would do so, it's an a++ waterfall fuel & idjit tax.
11:13 bitbot Logged on 2022-12-14 12:06:55 asciilifeform[6]: billymg: per asciilifeform's pov, worst thing that's happened to bitcoin to date was its 2010s 'legalization' and the 'institutional' 'law-abiding' vermin crawling in and pumping/dumping
11:24 PeterL I suppose I should try to get mcrypt installed, I seem to remember I bumped into some problem trying to get it but I don't remember what
11:30 awt Addition of mcrypt was a byproduct of the amount of address cast spam in the original address cast release.
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12:18 asciilifeform meanwhile, apropos of nuffin, in asciilifeform's experiments with 'ergonomics' crackpottery. surprisingly comfortable.
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12:19 signpost ooh damn, that's nice
12:19 signpost only problem is the chair's not a massage chair
12:19 asciilifeform signpost: asciilifeform not quadriplegically stuck in it, so not suffers bed sores, lol
12:21 asciilifeform minuses -- vendor makes'em in onesies, charges FG-style; somehow not knows how to deal with reich customs, so the pieces of that thing had to be ransomed and over9000 paperwork; and, lastly, takes 4evah to assemble (you get crate of pipes etc)
12:25 asciilifeform vendor supposedly takes btc. ( asciilifeform not tried tho )
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13:27 phf http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023895 << "i want a cyberpunk 2077 netrunner setup -- say no more, fam"
13:27 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-20 12:18:48 asciilifeform[4]: meanwhile, apropos of nuffin, in asciilifeform's experiments with 'ergonomics' crackpottery. surprisingly comfortable.
13:28 phf my main concern would be with hand blood circulation, since it looks like hands not just above heart, but even above head
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13:29 phf it seems like a setup like that calls for a split keyboard, mounted at arm rest position on both sides, below heart
13:30 * signpost using zsa moonlander currently, love the thing.
13:30 signpost ergodox successor
13:30 signpost would work nicely for that idea.
13:31 phf oh yeah, also gotta put led strips on all surfaces
13:33 phf i use freestyle 2 still, because it was cheap to buy a handful at some point
13:33 phf kinesis
13:33 phf but they now have "advantage 360" which is a split version of their original hand "bowl" shaped advantage
13:37 phf next step with ascii's setup is to put it on hydralics, wire it into videogame
13:37 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023903 << not in the default config (tho may not be obv. from the photo)
13:37 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-20 13:28:37 phf[awt|deedbot]: my main concern would be with hand blood circulation, since it looks like hands not just above heart, but even above head
13:38 phf photo definitely makes it seem like top of the keyboard is on the same plane as head
13:38 asciilifeform phf: many of the similar items on the market do feature hydraulics etc., asciilifeform avoided ( wat-do when the actuators die and vendor long kaput? ) -- this one's just a buncha aluminum + mattress
13:39 phf of course main use of hydraulics is to position you vertically so you can just walk off the thing rather than climb off
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13:40 asciilifeform phf: unfortunate camera angle. 'kbd above head' would be agony, dun think could last 5min in that pose
13:40 phf ah ok
13:43 asciilifeform re split kbds, asciilifeform never liked'em ( largely cuz nobody ever made one outta bucklings springs and with left-side-fkeys, lol )
13:45 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023917 << some folx report headache getting in/out but not noticed this (after coupla tries, learned how to do it w/out even raising the kbd fixture)
13:45 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-20 13:39:54 phf[awt|deedbot]: of course main use of hydraulics is to position you vertically so you can just walk off the thing rather than climb off
13:46 asciilifeform is approx. as 'hard' as getting in/out of auto
13:48 phf it was mostly a joke, i'm a strong proponent of dynamic sitting, i.e. i'm sitting/standing on a dentist (the doctor's not the patient's) at the moment, because it allows me to walk-think primarily, but obviously helps prevent spinal issues
13:48 phf *dentist chair
13:49 asciilifeform phf: for asciilifeform , 'dynamic' consists of getting up & pacing around regularly (not deliberately 'medicinal', but simply habit, 'for thinking')
13:49 phf so this kind of couch experience in my mind absolutely requires a hydralic stand up assist, as a kind of mobility scooter superflous addition
13:50 asciilifeform some of these 'desks' in fact have electric lifts etc
13:51 phf i mean what else is one to do once the immediately accessible cheetos supply runs out!!
13:51 asciilifeform lol
13:52 * asciilifeform fwiw is 1 of those folx who hesitates to have even glass of water in torture room, much less food
13:53 phf but the electrostatic effects of a carpet!
13:53 asciilifeform lolyes
13:54 * asciilifeform in fact grounded the fixture, lol
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14:11 awt moar joe kent: https://twitter.com/joekent16jan19/status/1627707387133202432
14:12 asciilifeform awt: wat's the context ?
14:13 asciilifeform ( who's kent ? wat newz lul is in ohio ? )
14:14 awt asciilifeform: hrm can't find original thread with phf describing a particular kind of do-gooder.
14:15 signpost thing about the appalachians enlisting for the war is most of them are soyboys these days
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14:15 signpost soyboys plus whatever the endless pollution does to their hormones
14:15 awt asciilifeform: re: ohio the derailed train and subsequent release of some chemicals.
14:15 asciilifeform a, 1 of these
14:15 signpost they have this cylindrical pudge to them at best. aren't going to win any wars.
14:17 phf signpost, a texan trash talking appalachia! a papi go make me a temale
14:18 signpost *tamales are delicious, sir
14:21 awt http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023895 << must have
14:21 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-20 12:18:48 asciilifeform[4]: meanwhile, apropos of nuffin, in asciilifeform's experiments with 'ergonomics' crackpottery. surprisingly comfortable.
14:21 phf main problem with appalachians is that they are ~not~ soyboys, the later being a prerequisite to navigating modern sociopolitical environment. their main problem is that their fundamental illiteracy makes them easy prey to all the different forms of manipulation techniques. e.g. the idea of a zogbot
14:23 signpost aren't you talking of your amish(-adjacent?) enclave though, which I woudn't disrespect?
14:23 signpost talking more of the folks that just got owned by the derailed train.
14:23 phf nah, talking about most men and boys in the area
14:24 * signpost spent years on a farm outside rimersburg. loads of mutant fatties around.
14:24 signpost clarion area
14:24 phf like outside of the amish, the amish have all kinds of defence mechanisms against the modern thing.
14:25 phf yeah, but that's primarily not the people who go and serve. the people who go and serve are yoboys who spent youth moding their cars and nothing else. they then go into army, come back and do construction or whatever, if still limbs and no ptsd
14:26 signpost not sure there are enough of these to fight a war, is all.
14:26 signpost but maybe there are. sorry for them if they're still ready and willing to serve the grinder.
14:28 phf the original point though was that the bulk of willing and able who go and serve, that is people who can actually run a distance with an m240, come from east palestine 100m radius
14:29 asciilifeform oblig
14:29 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-09-03 ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog'
14:32 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023939 << can't resist observing that mecha-war aint exactly a 'contest of who less soy'
14:32 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-20 14:15:05 signpost: thing about the appalachians enlisting for the war is most of them are soyboys these days
14:33 phf 􏿽signpost, i have friends in the area who served, and they don't even fall into "army boy with obeast at home stereotype". mostly fit dudes, etc. and their main problem is that they are just completely mediocre in most respects. construction work, drink a six pack, play call of duty
14:33 phf 􏿽, hunt, sportsball during sportsball season, etc.
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14:34 phf in the context of conversation, and to bring in marxist theory, what they lack is class awareness and class identity and it is deliberately this way.
14:34 asciilifeform ^ observed precisely this, while working for some yrs with (admittedly medical corps) us army grunts
14:34 asciilifeform phf: carefully engineered this way
14:34 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2022-01-25 asciilifeform: lizards in usa 'solved' the 'unions problem' by getting rid of labour, creating caste of lumpens on left side of bell curve and caste of paper shufflers on right side, with the sleight-of-hand moar than sufficing to
14:38 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023964 << this part imho aint mega-surprise, tho -- who signs contract to be in army for 40k$/y ? the 'hump of the bell curve' for whom is entirely 'good jerb'. 'and get your teeth fixed'(tm) ( for many of these folx, army is 1st and last time in their lives they'll have access to me
14:38 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-20 14:33:16 phf[jonsykkel]: 􏿽, hunt, sportsball during sportsball season, etc.
14:38 asciilifeform ... army is 1st and last time in their lives they'll have access to medical anyffin )
14:40 asciilifeform the money's a joak (again unsurprise), to make 'boring programmer's wage' you gotta be at least 3 star general, last asciilifeform knew
14:40 phf well, with army you have other perks besides salary, like any government job comes with benefits, etc.
14:41 asciilifeform indeed. see above re teeth.
14:41 phf gosh, mr, i was fixin to take my banjo with me, but you sayin i can't!
14:42 phf i ftr have only seen people with "teeth" issues when we would go deep into the wv mountains, and it's kind of like you have to go out of your way
14:45 * asciilifeform suspects that 'contract armies' errywhere on planet3 consist of moar or less same kinda mediocrities as seen in usa, tho
14:45 asciilifeform so it neither here or there for the 'us army suxx lol' file.
14:46 asciilifeform the officers can read, write, (sometimes) arithmetize. this suffices.
14:47 asciilifeform re physical shape -- afaik you dun need to be an olympic candidate to drive 'abrams' etc. ( tho gotta fit through the hatch, for some recruits this may pose problem? )
14:47 phf my point is perhaps more that most men are mediocre, and there's no need to drop them all the way to banjo and bad teeth, for it to be a problem
14:48 phf but if you're mediocre AND fucked by the circumstances, then your life is substaintally worse
14:48 asciilifeform well in locales w/ conscript armies, theoretically is 'cross section of erryone' rather than economic bottom
14:50 phf if you're a mediocre city person, you have bullshit paper shuffling jobs, that will you and wife enough to have some kind of breathing space (or so i heard). in a place where you have near to nothing as far as urban social infrastructure, you are significantly restricted in what your mediocrity can bring you
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14:51 phf but to the original point of "east ohio is where zogbot come from, so why no respect", argument is that this mediocity translates into often discussed "came back from service eats shit, instead of revolution"
14:53 phf army service in this respect is a lot of opportunity, besides $20k/yr and your teeth fixed. e.g. if you operated heavy machinery, can now run a delivery truck or construction equipment in civ, without having to indentured slave yourself through respective education process
14:54 phf and another thing!
14:55 phf east palestine, oh is not appalachia, it's midlands. it's east of pittsburg, and pitt famously has an identity crisis about it's belonging. but at least pitt sits in the last of the appalachia hills
14:57 signpost hey fair enough. I should've been more clear. the guy on twitter was referencing this idea that the "good old boys" are repeatedly called upon to defend "like they always have".
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14:57 signpost I'm skeptical there's enough good stock *anywhere* to "like they always have"
14:58 signpost and this picture of the sons of those good-old-boys huddled around call of duty rings true.
14:58 * phf reaching behind his chair, not sure what to pick up, a banjo, or a 3030 lever action
14:58 signpost at any rate, hopefully the partition of ukraine goes smoothly.
15:08 * awt anticipates reading, in the post-apocalyptic era, phf's b00k "Empire in America" a follow up to de Tocqueville with rich and detailed classifications of american types.
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16:09 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023989 << almost 'fishing with dynamite', but hard to resist pointing out that the last time these folx 'defended' any place they had any biz being in to start with, was... 1812?
16:09 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-20 14:57:08 signpost: hey fair enough. I should've been more clear. the guy on twitter was referencing this idea that the "good old boys" are repeatedly called upon to defend "like they always have".
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16:54 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-20#1023984 << extending on this: asciilifeform suspects that 'generic paper shufflers' for the most part end up with ~same effective (i.e. after landlord tax) wage as the 'zogbot's, on acct of local cost of life
16:54 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-20 14:50:01 phf[awt|deedbot]: if you're a mediocre city person, you have bullshit paper shuffling jobs, that will you and wife enough to have some kind of breathing space (or so i heard). in a place where you have near to nothing as far as urban social infrastructure, you are significantly restricted in what your mediocrity can bring you
16:56 asciilifeform ( if 'naked eye observations' mean anyffin, the 'zogbot' is in fact typically the winner in this comparison )
16:57 asciilifeform reich appears to 'price' both types of mediocrity roughly similarly.
16:58 phf can shoot coyots from back porch VS authentic tamales next door
16:58 asciilifeform for instance.
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