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09:17 awt_akris !!ticker btc usd
09:17 deedbot $30,223
09:21 awt_akris Anyone know any amd linux laptops that can do 4k?
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10:24 signpost if you find a respectable amd linux laptop, I'd be all ears
10:24 * signpost uses lenovo, but as last resort
10:25 signpost recently found that the damned LCDs are held in by a *sticker*
10:25 signpost been driving the pinebook more actually. at least priced as disposable as they are, and pretty sturdy tbh
10:34 awt_akris signpost: not sure exactly what respectable means. Been using a pangolin for a while now.
10:34 signpost they pretty sturdy?
10:34 signpost I drop the shit out of my machines
10:35 signpost btw another option for laptop driving big screen(s) would be an egpu
10:35 signpost I've got one of the stock trader multi-screen 2d cards plugged in atm
10:35 awt_akris signpost: doesn't feel as sturdy as a lenovo, but it's still in good shape after a significant amount of traveling.
10:35 asciilifeform signpost: what's running on the pinebook? ( asciilifeform still has his, collecting dust, with the stock shitlinux it runs with speed and reliability of overheated 486dx )
10:36 signpost bleeding edge gentoo
10:36 signpost can pull a disk image if ya like
10:37 asciilifeform signpost: the 'official' one, with systemd etc ?
10:37 signpost nah, the other one with the limbs sawed off systemd and sadly affixed to openrc
10:37 signpost elogind seatd w/e else
10:39 * asciilifeform has ridiculous pile of lappies, but not uses'em much these days, not often goes out of house for long enuff to need lappy
10:41 awt_akris signpost: I will look into egpus. iirc they can be finicky.
10:42 signpost I have a "razer core x" which has worked well with a visiontek 7750 inside with a recent linux kernel
10:43 awt_akris One thing I like about any laptop that is not a macbook is - the battery doesn't swell and damage the trackpad.
10:43 * asciilifeform recalls phf's tests of a linuxism on crapple arm lappy, wonders whether anyone finally reversed the iron enuff to get practical portability (e.g. suspend mode)
10:43 signpost "asahi linux"
10:44 asciilifeform awt_akris: asciilifeform found that one had best replace crapple batteries prophylactically, before they start to outgas
10:45 asciilifeform ^ 2-3 yrs after purchase for crapple's, 1-2 for chinesium aftermarket units
10:45 awt_akris asciilifeform: crapple battery replacement can be done at home?
10:45 asciilifeform this was for x86 crapples tho, which 'fry eggs' -- possibly the arm boxes bake'em slower
10:46 signpost yep, this kind of thing has me trying to rely more on the trashputer lappies as a disposable terminal into my big box
10:46 asciilifeform awt_akris: it's a pain but yes ( naodays folx sell kits, complete with spudger and solvents for dissolving the hot glue )
10:46 awt_akris ohlord
10:46 signpost arm stays pretty damn cool, had one for the recent project
10:46 signpost can boot up your AI waifu too
10:47 asciilifeform lol
10:47 awt_akris signpost: which did you manage to boot up?
10:48 signpost didn't, just seen others run llama on it.
10:48 * signpost has run llama.cpp on the ryzen box tho, underwhelming
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10:49 * asciilifeform sufficiently impressed by crapple 'm2' that recently ordered a stationary crapple 'ultra' for experiments (not came in yet, seems they hand-solder'em or sumthing, takes weeks)
10:49 dulapbot Logged on 2023-02-18 11:56:21 asciilifeform: phf: i've a '$maxint' 'threadripper' in there, and the m2 el cheapo in fact beats the shit outta it
10:49 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-23 13:38:50 asciilifeform[5]: phf: for comparison: 2m 49s on 'threadripper' 3960X.
10:49 bitbot Logged on 2023-02-17 13:04:01 asciilifeform[4]: ( tho, interestingly, that thing is in fact the fastest (single-threaded, at any rate) box in asciilifeform's torture room, lol
10:49 signpost asciilifeform: possibly AI-bros eating these up?
10:49 asciilifeform signpost: would be odd if so, they aint afaik the most 'bang for $' gptism box
10:50 asciilifeform (iirc nvidia still champ there)
10:51 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-20#1028598 << what were you feeding it ?
10:51 bitbot Logged on 2023-07-20 10:48:45 signpost: has run llama.cpp on the ryzen box tho, underwhelming
10:51 * asciilifeform considered to try 1 of these but not come up with a practical use, lol
10:51 asciilifeform 'solution in search of problem'
10:52 signpost 65B quantized to int4 with buncha layers offloaded to nvidia 3090
10:52 signpost yeah, I was fiddling with it for some autosummary and classifier experiments
10:52 asciilifeform a
10:52 signpost e.g. my email.
10:53 asciilifeform iirc if you want to train the thing (vs running vendor's model) need 30kW worth of gpu
10:53 signpost yeah, maybe on the far side of the halving I pick up two of the nvidia megacards
10:53 asciilifeform ( i.e. ~ferrari's worth )
10:53 signpost thing gets way "smarter" if you don't quantize, of course
10:54 signpost at cost of a token every 3-5sec
10:55 signpost meta just released an updated set of weights for free for commercial use under 700mil daily active users, so effectively free for anybody not their size.
10:55 signpost gonna try that thing out before long.
10:56 asciilifeform signpost: that's simply generic 'chatbot' neh
10:56 signpost they had weights fine tuned for chat, and not
10:56 asciilifeform ( rather than application-specific one )
10:57 * asciilifeform does have a hypothetical application in mind for gptism, but is rather long shot ( 'smarter phuctor' )
10:57 signpost interesting, how'd that work?
10:58 asciilifeform signpost: look for 'anomalous' pubkeys
10:59 asciilifeform ( see also )
11:01 asciilifeform for that matter, might be interesting to see whether a nn can cough up some % of bits of priv given a pub (for whatever cryptosystem). long shot but consider how simple to generate training set
11:01 dulapbot Logged on 2023-06-21 14:05:51 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in recent boobytrap lulz.
11:01 signpost does seem like a problem of the right shape for the things.
11:01 signpost "find the transform"
11:02 asciilifeform anuther obvious lul would be to feed it various lolrngs (e.g. microshit's) and see whether uncovers their lol
11:03 * asciilifeform not labouring under the notion that he's the 1st to think of these, but afaik to date nobody's confessed publicly
11:05 * asciilifeform would be surprised if nobody's using these to e.g. search for shortcuts in sha2(sha2(..)) etc
11:07 asciilifeform awt_akris: unrelatedly, definitely seeing at updates (and join/parts) from you but still hearsay msgs somehow
11:08 awt_akris asciilifeform: damn
11:08 asciilifeform seeing e.g. awt_akris[jonsykkel|awt|signpost]
11:08 awt_akris I'm not getting anything directly from you.
11:09 asciilifeform awt_akris: the odd thing is that at (at least sporadically) refreshed (would expect on yer end similarly)
11:09 awt_akris If you're seeing joins, you must be getting ignores.
11:10 asciilifeform clearly getting ~sumthing~
11:11 awt_akris my station has not received a single packet from yours, according to AT.
11:11 * signpost receiving both of you directly atm
11:12 awt_akris asciilifeform: just sent a dm.
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11:58 asciilifeform awt_akris: nodice apparently
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13:41 awt_akris Gonna implement basic log search in the console, then hopefully put out a genesis patch.
13:44 signpost congrats awt_akris; excited to try this out.
13:44 awt_akris ty signpost!
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14:09 asciilifeform awt_akris: neato. looking fwd to testing
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15:14 awt_akris Sometimes I get the feeling some kind of meteor struck in '20/'21 and I'm just sort of collecting pieces of corrugated tin to cover the entrance to the metaphorical hole I live in online now. Wasn't just #trilema - pretty wide impact zone. Dunno what to call this event - "covid" isn't sufficient. Personally fine, etc.
15:15 awt_akris Just a weird "coincidence" of events. Something is gone. Possibly won't understand all implications for a decade.
15:15 signpost mp's "darkening" was apt
15:15 asciilifeform 2008
15:15 awt_akris Yes, true.
15:19 signpost and asciilifeform's observation that never before was man hobbled with such effort, at such scale, etc
15:19 asciilifeform hobbling tech is the ~only tech that's still movin' along
15:19 * signpost sleeps like a baby, ftr
15:20 signpost I was planning on dying at the end anyway.
15:20 awt_akris Perhaps the first truly global darkening - First wave of Communism was only like 50%.
15:20 signpost now can, so must, to continue to paraphrase asciilifeform
15:21 asciilifeform awt_akris: collapse proceeds monotonically, but squeezes by the elite (i.e. 'milk the cow more, feed it less') tend to appear as discrete events. 1971, 2001, 2008, 2020
15:21 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2021-09-27 asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.)
15:22 asciilifeform 1991 was an orc-only squeeze but along same lines
15:22 asciilifeform ( 'civilized west' bought itself 20y of reprieve by plundering su )
15:25 asciilifeform atm (well rather since '14) lizards trying to carry out anuther '1991'
15:25 asciilifeform so far nodice
15:26 asciilifeform and naturally will try 'anuther 1989' in cn, given comical failure of last 1, but long shot
15:27 asciilifeform reich can only live by eating 'untermenschen' and this aint much of a seekrit.
15:27 signpost plenty of own to munch on, and cheaper than munching abroad.
15:28 asciilifeform own increasingly already eaten & shat
15:28 asciilifeform ( see e.g. us 'midwest' )
15:31 signpost texas probably isn't that far off from shat. literal millions of southern border crossings.
15:37 awt_akris Had been itching to relocate to texas and/or florida but couldn't pull it off. Now not so sure.
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15:37 awt_akris lol, just or.
15:38 signpost fork(awt)
15:38 awt_akris It's just I'm already living in 3 different places. 5 is over the top.
15:38 signpost I still like Texas a lot, but will probably end up in the NH woods in next 1-2yr
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15:39 signpost awt_akris: wife veto'd decking out an airstream and dragging it into the desert
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15:40 awt_akris Yes can't get my girl to live in a trailer either.
15:40 signpost airstream!
15:40 signpost it sounds fancier
15:40 awt_akris just might work
15:41 awt_akris I know someone who pulled it off. Lived in a trailer with his wife for years before affording a house in OC.
15:42 awt_akris Met a sailing instructor who lived on a boat with his wife.
15:43 awt_akris Lots of government employees living in trailsers these days I guess.
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15:58 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-20#1028678 << will need mini-reactor to power the ac? or how
15:58 bitbot Logged on 2023-07-20 15:39:21 signpost: awt_akris: wife veto'd decking out an airstream and dragging it into the desert
15:59 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-20#1028673 << the differences b/w diff parts of the reich seem rather small to asciilifeform
15:59 bitbot Logged on 2023-07-20 15:37:22 awt_akris[awt|signpost]: Had been itching to relocate to texas and/or florida but couldn't pull it off. Now not so sure.
16:04 awt_akris asciilifeform: in terms of legal regime - yes - not all that different when summed up. No state income tax but high property tax here - low property tax but high income tax there and so forth. Wyoming is exceptional in this respect but might as well live in Costa Rica in that case if you're going to live an inconvenient
16:04 awt_akris distance from civilization.
16:04 asciilifeform there's also the food 'tax' when you live in 'woods'
16:04 asciilifeform ( assuming yer doing sumthing other than subsistence farming )
16:05 * asciilifeform recalls phf mentioning 'woods' types who gotta fly in plane to civilization to resupply
16:07 signpost I'm a happy guy, but if we lose modernity entirely I'm out, man.
16:07 awt_akris Yes or heaven forbid you want quality ethnic food. Discovered that thai chilis are not to be found in CR, or heavy cream in most parts.
16:08 awt_akris My Side of the Mountain fan here.
16:09 awt_akris Obiously would be more like The Road.
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16:28 lobbes http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-20#1028677 << hit me up if you do end up in NH one day. I'll buy you a beer or beer-equivalent
16:28 bitbot Logged on 2023-07-20 15:38:54 signpost[jonsykkel|awt]: I still like Texas a lot, but will probably end up in the NH woods in next 1-2yr
16:28 * lobbes is living in MA these days but sometimes heads into NH wilderness for hikes, etc.
16:28 signpost yeah, would be happy to
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17:06 asciilifeform re: geography -- at this pt asciilifeform sits where he does strictly because the things he wants are either substantially ~moar~ expensive elsewhere (or -- equally unavailable)
17:07 asciilifeform ( or at any rate not worth cost of moving )
17:08 asciilifeform e.g. in $location tax might be coupla % lower, but import duties on iron are fucking ridiculous
17:17 awt_akris "everything costs the same everywhere"
17:22 asciilifeform approx
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21:52 awt_akris Searching for "result" brings up an astonishing number of messages from phf.
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