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00:01 danielpbarron !!up AlfredAlfer
00:01 deedbot AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
00:01 AlfredAlfer
00:01 danielpbarron hi, Emily?
00:06 AlfredAlfer yeh
00:06 danielpbarron cool
00:06 AlfredAlfer How are you this fine evening
00:09 danielpbarron tired but otherwise well
00:10 danielpbarron how have you been taking the twitter ban
00:10 AlfredAlfer oh better than ever
00:10 AlfredAlfer I'm glad I'm free of the ironybros
00:10 AlfredAlfer nice to be on Gab
00:10 danielpbarron what is gab?
00:11 AlfredAlfer fwaa it's the free speech twitter. You can say whatever you want and they won't ban you.
00:11 AlfredAlfer
00:11 danielpbarron ya but i mostly use twitter to troll the people who would never use a gab
00:12 danielpbarron otherwise i blog on my own site
00:13 * BingoBoingo thought nick was a joke on alfname
00:14 AlfredAlfer twitter was fun while it lasted but gab weeds out the bullshit
00:14 AlfredAlfer you can't even really troll anyone without getting banned
00:14 AlfredAlfer for me what did me in was a fat joke
00:15 danielpbarron a very funny joke at that. great way to go out
00:16 BingoBoingo Eh, the best fat jokes are the fats themselves. Hamplanets thinking they are people. Oink Oink motherfuckers
00:19 BingoBoingo Here's another fat joke: acanthosis nigricans
00:20 danielpbarron AlfredAlfer, if you were to host your own blog, your banworthy stuff can get posted by other people who read it, and on whichever social media is fashionable at the time
00:20 AlfredAlfer well they still could shut down my blog. They're making big leap now. It all started with Anglin's fat joke
00:21 danielpbarron shut diwn how?
00:21 AlfredAlfer The end of net neutrality is here and they're doing it all under the guise of 'stopping white supremacy'
00:21 AlfredAlfer they're sneaking it up under us because of Anglin's fat joke
00:21 AlfredAlfer first the Daily stormer, then the rest.
00:22 danielpbarron if they could shut sites down, there wouldn't be a trilema
00:22 BingoBoingo Eh, they are going to fail BECAUSE of white supremacy
00:22 AlfredAlfer You don't know how they're forcing the DS to literally be wiped off the face of the internet? They've gone to several domains, all have been shut down. Even tor is blocking their traffec
00:22 AlfredAlfer they should be doing these kinds of measures to pedophiles
00:22 danielpbarron tor is a USG honeypot
00:23 danielpbarron !#s tor
00:23 a111 1060 results for "tor",
00:24 AlfredAlfer has trilema reached their radar?
00:24 AlfredAlfer Trilema's decentralized though, right?
00:25 danielpbarron i don't know mircea_popescu's hosting arrangement
00:26 danielpbarron if you mean the blog that is. this channel is just a freenode channel. but we could make our own irc server if they ever bothered to knock this one off
00:26 trinque ohey, little bit of racis to balance out the calitard today?
00:27 trinque welcome AlfredAlfer
00:27 danielpbarron oh, do you have a RSA key, AlfredAlfer ? pgp/gpg
00:28 trinque
00:28 a111 Logged on 2017-06-15 01:40 asciilifeform: but now for something compleeetli different!! >> >> greatest imho , i shit thee not, cinematic masterpiece of our time...
00:28 BingoBoingo AlfredAlfer: Register a key. I'll rate you so you can get on our better internet. Thank you for not being another KKKalifornian
00:29 danielpbarron ahh ty trinque ! i had the hardest time finding that line
00:30 asciilifeform i will also rate.
00:31 asciilifeform !!up AlfredAlfer
00:31 deedbot AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
00:32 trinque while I'm fishing out links
00:33 trinque << >>
00:33 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 04:24 AlfredAlfer: has trilema reached their radar?
00:34 AlfredAlfer no I don't have an RSA key. What is it?
00:34 asciilifeform trinque: where's the trilema where he promised to lingchi usg operatives on camera if catches one ?
00:35 AlfredAlfer Oh thank you for posting my cartoon, +a111
00:36 trinque that's actually a bot reciting a link to the logs
00:36 danielpbarron AlfredAlfer, it's kinda like a bitcoin address in that it has a private/public key, and we use it to send secret messages and identify ourselves
00:36 AlfredAlfer I'm glad you like it : )
00:36 asciilifeform AlfredAlfer: a111 is a robot
00:36 AlfredAlfer fff
00:36 AlfredAlfer forgive me
00:36 AlfredAlfer lol
00:36 asciilifeform AlfredAlfer: observe, when and why it speaks
00:37 AlfredAlfer ok
00:38 asciilifeform AlfredAlfer: rsa is the weapon against which, when used correctly, they've no defense.
00:39 AlfredAlfer Cool so they can't take it down no matter what? It can be the new free internet?
00:39 asciilifeform the buggers spent moar on preventing you knowing about it, or how to use, than on battleships.
00:40 AlfredAlfer holy shite
00:40 AlfredAlfer that's lovely to hear. Very comforting.
00:40 AlfredAlfer Yes, we need to forge a new Wild Wild West of internet. The old one is used and bugged and fucked worse than an old whore.
00:40 asciilifeform AlfredAlfer: be sure to come back when mircea_popescu wakes up.
00:41 AlfredAlfer heehee wut's his time zone?
00:41 asciilifeform mars, approx.
00:41 AlfredAlfer lolol
00:41 asciilifeform srsly he has no fixed time. ( just as i do not )
00:42 asciilifeform stay around for a day or so and you'll meet.
00:42 AlfredAlfer yea that's galaxy brain operation
00:43 AlfredAlfer okey
00:43 * asciilifeform bbl
00:44 trinque << right solution to this is called gossipd, one of the items in the works.
00:44 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 04:11 AlfredAlfer: fwaa it's the free speech twitter. You can say whatever you want and they won't ban you.
00:44 trinque !#s gossipd
00:44 a111 706 results for "gossipd",
00:45 trinque there's a very long, ongoing thread on its specific design, but it builds upon the RSA cryptography asciilifeform mentioned.
00:46 AlfredAlfer ahh yes gossipd
00:46 AlfredAlfer so no matter what, people can gather and message there? Is it encrypted enough that google and shit can't read it? Or is it all public?
00:47 trinque it is designed to not be a specific "there" at all, to any particular, singular public. information is routed along your trusted relationships, and is as good as your connections. like life.
00:47 trinque easier to understand if one first understands the web of trust
00:50 asciilifeform AlfredAlfer: consider how the proverbial 'terrorist cell' works.
00:50 trinque
00:50 trinque ^ obviously this is mircea_popescu's blog, not mine.
00:50 AlfredAlfer Ah I see thank you for the article
00:50 asciilifeform no cell knows about any others but its immediate neighbors.
00:51 AlfredAlfer mmhmm
00:55 asciilifeform AlfredAlfer: so let's say you want to read , e.g., der sturmer. your let a friend's box know. the friend's -- yet again same, asks others. then ds box eventually reached, and passes text back up the chain to you.
00:55 asciilifeform this is a gross oversimplification but must suffice for now.
00:57 asciilifeform rsa is the insecticide against snoops on the wires, and likewise against enemy agents monkeying with the messages en route or impersonating source.
00:58 trinque pulling from the other end, ds et al are using the technology a bunch of califag pantsuits made, and expecting it to work for other than pantsuit.
00:59 AlfredAlfer Ah I see it's like a very direct transfer.. like a hall of mirrors
00:59 AlfredAlfer hahhaha
00:59 AlfredAlfer yes I must let them know there are other ways
01:00 AlfredAlfer That's very excellent
01:00 AlfredAlfer so they can try and try to cut them off, cut transfers, block traffic, but it's impossible
01:01 asciilifeform brief likbez re tor :
01:01 asciilifeform !!up AlfredAlfer
01:02 deedbot AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
01:02 asciilifeform i'ma bbl. stay tuned, AlfredAlfer .
01:02 AlfredAlfer ookey
01:03 trinque who had an intro to gpg
01:03 trinque danielpbarron: ?
01:03 danielpbarron i think it was on the old wiki
01:04 trinque looks like eulora dox are pretty good on the subj
01:05 danielpbarron
01:05 trinque AlfredAlfer: there is a voice mechanism here run by my trusty deedbot.
01:05 AlfredAlfer whah like you can speak?
01:05 trinque yep, you saw folks using !!up to grant you voice
01:06 trinque if you are registered and rated, you'll be able to self-voice
01:06 AlfredAlfer hahahah, that's the most complicated account setup I've ever seen ; )
01:07 AlfredAlfer Will be well worth it once the big crackdown really happens
01:07 trinque takes some diligence to have a name that's yours, rather than one some twatter can steal.
01:07 AlfredAlfer It will probably take me a day to fully absorb it
01:07 trinque but, worth immensely more
01:08 AlfredAlfer I have a bitcoin guy I talk to often who will help me understand it.
01:08 AlfredAlfer i'll just use my real name I guess
01:09 AlfredAlfer still, *they* will be able to incriminate us for anything we've ever said one day
01:10 AlfredAlfer say you're completely anonymous, don't use your real name, like I assume all you guys do.. is it easy for them to tie what you've said onto your actual person?
01:10 danielpbarron depends how you do it
01:11 danielpbarron but most things aren't worth saying anonymously
01:11 trinque << yes
01:12 trinque ^ mircea_popescu wrote this. I and most (all?) others here worth a damn signed in blood.
01:13 trinque specifically, signed with our cryptographic keys.
01:13 AlfredAlfer wow
01:14 mircea_popescu heh now we got an alf and an' alfalfer ?
01:14 AlfredAlfer lol yes I suppose so
01:16 AlfredAlfer Hello, it is very nice to meet you +mircea_popescu
01:16 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer so are you is the idea ?
01:16 AlfredAlfer huehue
01:17 AlfredAlfer myep. It's an old article tho
01:17 mircea_popescu anyway, as to the direct concern -- it is actually impossible to take down sites, as far as the empire of stupid is concerned.
01:18 mircea_popescu the examples you give are remarkably poorly managed. specifically re dailystormer,
01:18 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 23:21 mircea_popescu: << or anywhere else. it's purely dead.
01:19 mircea_popescu they have nfi what they're doing, and so no, it doesn't take much to take them offline.
01:19 AlfredAlfer oh shite
01:19 AlfredAlfer Weev runs pretty much the whole thing
01:19 mircea_popescu now, on to more interesting matters, are you going to do a crazy republican cartoon series ?
01:19 AlfredAlfer are you saying if I can relay him some tips he'd have an easier time keeping it up?
01:20 AlfredAlfer Well I'm working on a new toon now, a commission actually
01:20 AlfredAlfer being paid in BTC
01:20 mircea_popescu nice.
01:20 mircea_popescu where do you publish shit, outside of the walled gardens i mean ?
01:20 mircea_popescu hola cazalla
01:20 AlfredAlfer I've been traveling the globe ever since I got uprooted and haven't done a solid animation since the Ascent of Alfred
01:21 AlfredAlfer but I'm settled now
01:21 AlfredAlfer Usually youtube, the basic shit. Though I just got a bitchute today since my yt is going to be removed shortly
01:21 cazalla mircea_popescu, heya
01:21 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer well not getting shitty vps'en on obscure shithosts would help ; also not getting them one at a time ; and also not using fucking domain names. behold :
01:21 cazalla BingoBoingo, np re: email
01:21 cazalla AlfredAlfer, finally in the right place eh?
01:21 mircea_popescu the fact that works and his shit didn't already is an indication of incompetence.
01:22 AlfredAlfer Ooshh
01:22 AlfredAlfer Weev works tirelessly, but I suppose he has no idea about the tricks available.
01:22 AlfredAlfer I was hanging out with him recently
01:23 mircea_popescu << and i don't mean just the root, either.
01:23 AlfredAlfer If it's a numerical domain like the one you posted, can the masses still find it, though?
01:23 mircea_popescu why not ? you found it...
01:23 AlfredAlfer haha
01:23 AlfredAlfer yea if it got around like that. A big part of the site's' success is just random passerbyers happing upon it though
01:23 mircea_popescu the masses ALSO can find it by editing /etc/hosts and putting whatever number they want.
01:24 AlfredAlfer I guess the numerical way is easier to access than having everyone download the onion tho
01:24 mircea_popescu like in the case yest, all they needed was local resolution and it'd have worked (which is how i got the paste of his page even when people "Couldn't reach it")
01:24 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer absolutely lol. seeing how it's how the internet works in the first place.
01:24 AlfredAlfer oh shite
01:24 AlfredAlfer hahaa
01:24 AlfredAlfer Can you send the paste?
01:25 mircea_popescu the whole dns bullshit is just "convenience" built on top of the system, which then conveniently allows the pantsuits to play tricks like these, and idiots to believe in pantsuit power.
01:25 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer
01:25 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 23:25 mircea_popescu: foir the curious.
01:25 mircea_popescu (all links in channel are also auto-archived, if the pastes expire)
01:25 mircea_popescu just look it up on
01:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform recall that thing with the dog ?
01:27 AlfredAlfer I see I see.
01:27 AlfredAlfer yes, he needs to use a whole new set of rules
01:27 AlfredAlfer and the 'deleting' of the websites is just smoke and mirrors, huh?
01:27 mircea_popescu yes.
01:28 mircea_popescu works against the stupid poor and them only.
01:28 AlfredAlfer How many people realistically know about this system right now?
01:28 AlfredAlfer It's gotta be an extremely small percentage of the population, no?
01:28 mircea_popescu i expect, yes.
01:29 mircea_popescu then again, how many people know how a fridge works ?
01:29 trinque this isn't even the gossipd thing I brought up. it's what your computer already does.
01:29 mircea_popescu about same %
01:29 AlfredAlfer you're right
01:29 AlfredAlfer I guess you're then planning to make the system as common as a fridge, correct?
01:29 trinque -> dear mother government, where are the tits? ->
01:29 mircea_popescu it already is as common. all computers work this way, and always have.
01:30 AlfredAlfer ahh. So *they* are just using one outdated dinosaur form of what could be and telling us that's all there is?
01:30 mircea_popescu yes.
01:30 mircea_popescu trinque incidentally i like this one a lot better than the other one.
01:31 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer how much does your comissioned cartoon pay btw ?
01:31 AlfredAlfer Yea you just gotta snazz it up a bit, add some clickbait and emoticons ; )
01:31 AlfredAlfer Well I use the standard animator's rate
01:31 mircea_popescu i dunno what that is.
01:31 AlfredAlfer I secured the commission back when btc was at around 1200
01:31 AlfredAlfer And since he's paying me in btc only, well, I'm getting a hell of a lot more than originally bargained
01:32 mircea_popescu so how much is that ?
01:32 mircea_popescu !!up AlfredAlfer
01:32 deedbot AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
01:32 AlfredAlfer Well standard animator's rates is a grand per minute of framebyframe 24 fps animation
01:32 AlfredAlfer It's not even that standard... that's kind of a lowball, but that's what I use
01:32 mircea_popescu !~calc 1000 / 24 / 60
01:32 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 1000 / 24 / 60 = 0.6944444444444444
01:32 mircea_popescu so 70 cents a frame ?
01:32 AlfredAlfer These guys getting hired by google and other shit can charge way more for crap animations lol
01:32 AlfredAlfer oh wow when you put it like that that kinda sucks hahaha
01:33 mircea_popescu are you bashful AlfredAlfer ?
01:33 AlfredAlfer well since I secured this one when btc was about a 4th what it is now, I'm getting a bit more than 70 cents per frame
01:33 AlfredAlfer yea I can be a bit bashful teehee
01:33 mircea_popescu << might be worth considering.
01:33 mircea_popescu 2 bitcents is like 90 dollars or what is it now, for a frame.
01:34 AlfredAlfer hahahaha
01:34 AlfredAlfer wow fancy that. A frame I don't even have to draw.
01:34 mircea_popescu ikr?
01:34 AlfredAlfer Sounds like a bargain. You get any takers yet?
01:34 mircea_popescu well see all those pics there ? lol
01:36 AlfredAlfer ahh those are real ones
01:36 mircea_popescu sure. you can even follow the log links to where they happened.
01:36 AlfredAlfer seem like the bargain bin runna the mill sluts
01:36 AlfredAlfer tho I suppose they all are
01:37 mircea_popescu why so negative, there's liek so's of the lordship beaming there, not to mention various other well respected ladies.
01:37 AlfredAlfer which ones are the pros
01:37 mircea_popescu that's for you to determine!
01:37 AlfredAlfer : 0
01:39 mircea_popescu your string is 59eea6eb. and smile!
01:39 AlfredAlfer hah LOl oh you
01:39 AlfredAlfer my uncensored tits shall not grace this internet so long as I shall live
01:40 mircea_popescu a ? up to you.
01:40 trinque chortle
01:40 AlfredAlfer Nothing personal.. If I post one tit image it will haunt me forever. There are many who are trying to obtain it
01:40 mircea_popescu so what ?
01:40 cazalla AlfredAlfer, i thought kinky cooking was your thing?
01:40 AlfredAlfer I see you have done your research
01:40 mircea_popescu i suspect the ex chief editor of qntra is a fan.
01:41 AlfredAlfer 2009, good times
01:41 AlfredAlfer why do you suspect that?
01:41 mircea_popescu << actually lots of people are, turns out.
01:41 a111 Logged on 2017-06-16 23:00 asciilifeform: asciilifeform notices that his desk has an uncanny resemblance to the one in 'ascension of alfred'
01:42 AlfredAlfer well I'm quite flattered
01:43 cazalla AlfredAlfer, not so much research, listened to TRS for a bit for the lulz so you obviously come up, personally i'd love to see you take up the offer and break sven's heart
01:43 AlfredAlfer which offer?
01:43 cazalla bit tips for nips as linked earlier
01:43 AlfredAlfer Oh yes, they wanted to have me as a regular on the Shoah but I was displaced at the moment and couldn't commit
01:44 AlfredAlfer ohoh. It will have to be more than 90 usd I'll tell you that
01:44 AlfredAlfer Why would sven give a shit tho
01:44 mircea_popescu why, are they very juicy ?
01:45 AlfredAlfer Well they say I have the best rack in the Alt Right
01:45 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer btw, did you know it's in the constitution of the czech republic, all girls under 30 must topless on request ?
01:45 mircea_popescu careful lest da police gets wind of this log, they could throw you in jale!
01:45 AlfredAlfer slav girls are fuckin hot
01:45 mircea_popescu ikr?
01:45 AlfredAlfer Oh, how did you see my vpn?
01:45 mircea_popescu doh.
01:45 AlfredAlfer what else can you see..
01:45 mircea_popescu remember, this is the most serene republic, eater of worlds.
01:46 AlfredAlfer So when did you launch this place?
01:47 mircea_popescu it's been an ongoing thing since bitcoin. keeps evolving though.
01:48 AlfredAlfer mmm. Yes, with the combo of information and currency out of their hands, we will be unstoppable :D
01:48 mircea_popescu precisely.
01:48 AlfredAlfer But what if they destroy every physical computer in the world
01:48 mircea_popescu heh.
01:49 AlfredAlfer or like 90 percent of computers.
01:49 mircea_popescu they can't make a boat. let's not get ahead of ourselves.
01:49 AlfredAlfer hoyhoy
01:49 AlfredAlfer oh yea they're using baby internet
01:49 trinque or dreaming of SOLAR SHIELDS or w/e wank
01:49 AlfredAlfer haha
01:50 AlfredAlfer they'll physically block the sun to stop our internet, cover the earth in a reverse dyson sphere
01:50 mircea_popescu in other lulz.
01:50 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer what did you do anyway ?
01:50 AlfredAlfer went to NPI
01:50 mircea_popescu what's npi ?
01:50 AlfredAlfer and went out to interview the Antifa, just have a lil discussion
01:51 AlfredAlfer They ended up sending my cameraman to the hospital
01:51 mircea_popescu that couldn't have been in 2016 ?
01:51 AlfredAlfer The National Policy Institute. It's the whole richard spencer thing. Tila Tequila was there. Not the greatest optics but it was fun.
01:51 AlfredAlfer Twas.
01:52 AlfredAlfer oh yea that's one of my favorite articles LOL
01:52 mircea_popescu tila tequila ? was this the mexican britney spears or somesuch ?
01:52 AlfredAlfer ((((( Robert Silverman)))) of course!
01:52 AlfredAlfer hahahha mexican britney spears
01:52 trinque antifa tried to fart around near our sam houston statue recently, bunch of folks showed up with assault rifles and they went off to shitpost elsewhere.
01:52 AlfredAlfer no it's the asian nazi mk ultra victim chick
01:52 mircea_popescu you'll have to excuse me, i have all the social media hip edge of a 90yo.
01:53 AlfredAlfer no worries it seems you're occupying your brain with much more important things
01:53 AlfredAlfer oh yes, you can shoot people in texas for defacing a statue, right? Good ol' texas.
01:53 trinque then we threw a hurricane to wash ourselves of their stench
01:53 mircea_popescu trinque you'll appreciate this : costa rica is a stronghold state.
01:53 mircea_popescu "priviledged self defense" they call it.
01:53 trinque "stand your ground" ? yeah
01:53 AlfredAlfer hahhaahha
01:54 AlfredAlfer well atleast the hurricane did one good thing
01:54 mircea_popescu but basically, breaking and entering ~= your life's forfeit.
01:54 AlfredAlfer Do you live in USA, mircea?
01:54 trinque can't see the sanity in anything else
01:54 cazalla AlfredAlfer, no-one shoots anyone, they're all a bunch of Cantwells in that they come armed to the gills but never a single shot is fired, just larping at best
01:54 mircea_popescu no, i live in costa rica.
01:55 AlfredAlfer Well cantwell never should've had the gun
01:55 mircea_popescu cazalla they had that guy in the tower!
01:55 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer why, you wanna visit ?
01:55 AlfredAlfer But I wouldn't consider it larping. Helmets and shields are necessary when you're getting acid thrown in your eyes.
01:55 AlfredAlfer Well I've never been to the islands
01:56 mircea_popescu costa rica is... not an island.
01:56 AlfredAlfer whoops
01:56 trinque was I larping when I sent some dindus away from my door couple months ago?
01:56 trinque had they stepped in, yes, would've shot
01:56 AlfredAlfer Wait a minute.. in MY universe Costa Rica was an island
01:56 AlfredAlfer I want my old universe back !!!
01:56 mircea_popescu trinque he's just bitter cuz he didn't get to shoot anyone.
01:56 AlfredAlfer (ME joke)
01:56 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer sorry, it's a little bit of central america.
01:56 AlfredAlfer ok well it's tropical
01:57 AlfredAlfer how are the bugs
01:57 mircea_popescu yes. fulla jungle. and in fact where the spanyards first landed.
01:57 mircea_popescu no relation to puerto rico, which is an island.
01:57 AlfredAlfer lol
01:57 mircea_popescu was hhhhhenifer lopez from there btw ? iirc.
01:58 cazalla trinque, sure, but i'm talking about the Cantwell types who go to a march, stand there while they get shit, piss and acid thrown on them but don't even fire upon them, why bother even showing up then? just to larp
01:58 AlfredAlfer I thought she was from the block
01:58 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer or take your pick.
01:58 AlfredAlfer why would you fire upon someone and ruin your life forever
01:58 mircea_popescu so they bleed.
01:59 AlfredAlfer People should be able to stand places without getting piss and shit thrown on them
01:59 trinque well... aren't you playing "down with usg except for the bill of rights; really we just mean usg but we want christmas back"
02:00 mircea_popescu man those spider macros are something else.
02:00 trinque I cringe every time I hear the altright try to use "freedome of speech" and so on
02:00 AlfredAlfer I'll take the big spider over the shitmoth
02:00 mircea_popescu it's a butterfly. and they all do it.
02:01 trinque cazalla: can't argue with it; same exact notion re: raising awareness, for sure.
02:01 mircea_popescu oh, and of course, forgot fna!
02:01 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer you ever seen a gekko ?
02:02 mircea_popescu !!up AlfredAlfer
02:02 deedbot AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
02:02 AlfredAlfer that's a swell lil guy
02:02 AlfredAlfer no not in real life
02:02 mircea_popescu they're overpoweringly cutr.
02:02 mircea_popescu cute*
02:03 AlfredAlfer you're lucky you have so many tropical friends
02:03 mircea_popescu it's skill.
02:04 AlfredAlfer OOh my clockwork orange torrent has finished downloading
02:04 mircea_popescu o btw, whadda ya think of my cartoon header ?
02:04 mircea_popescu inb4 "it sucks, too much white space"
02:04 AlfredAlfer Oh it's very nice. Who is the artist?
02:04 mircea_popescu romanian girl, linked somewhere.
02:05 mircea_popescu lessee
02:05 AlfredAlfer speaking of clockwork orange I released a new song today
02:06 mircea_popescu won't play for me ;/
02:06 AlfredAlfer F
02:06 mircea_popescu say, do you do poem readings ?
02:06 AlfredAlfer hmm it's playing for me, others have listened
02:07 AlfredAlfer what do you think of bitchute? Is it impenetrable?
02:07 mircea_popescu well, i think it sucks, because i can't play their content.
02:07 AlfredAlfer why can't you?
02:08 AlfredAlfer you can't get to any vid or just this one?
02:08 mircea_popescu because it's a layered shitcake of bs formats and crap. what was the original item, an ogg ? mp3 ? what ?
02:08 AlfredAlfer h264
02:08 AlfredAlfer hmm. lol layered shitcake.
02:08 mircea_popescu so mpeg4. why not you know, just have a simple link, http:/eyoucis.fuckyou/this-song.mpeg ?
02:09 AlfredAlfer But is it impenetrable nonetheless? It's decentralized
02:09 mircea_popescu wtf is "decentralized" even mean, it's a website.
02:09 AlfredAlfer that won
02:09 AlfredAlfer link won't work
02:09 AlfredAlfer well , I still have much to learn with all these definitions
02:09 trinque looks like they bolted it to bittorrent some way
02:09 AlfredAlfer The only thing I've seen before that I thought would be an alternate internet was maidsafe, but it doesn't seem to be making any moves
02:10 mircea_popescu and by the looks of it, it's made by trhe same spammers from advance publications that onw all the rest of the pointless "segmented" spamsites. from vice to
02:11 cazalla i'm off, parental stuff.. AlfredAlfer, i'd encourage you to spend more time here and/or reading logs, you will find actual solutions here, altright is lulzfest but even that has died down now due to taking themselves super 1488 seriously
02:11 mircea_popescu "terms". here's a pro tip AlfredAlfer : if a website has "terms" it's shit.
02:12 danielpbarron i met one of the maidsafe "coders" , told her about this place, never joined
02:12 deedbot << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...9857 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <>; ' ( DE)
02:12 deedbot << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1561...4537 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <>; ' ( DE)
02:12 trinque cya caz
02:12 mircea_popescu trinque check their lulz dns announcement btw. round robin of same ips.
02:12 AlfredAlfer yes, I look forward to learning all about this
02:12 AlfredAlfer oh no, >coder >her
02:13 mircea_popescu anyway. no, i don't expect it's "impenetrable" in any sense.
02:13 trinque look mother, am cyberpunk
02:13 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer are you poor ?
02:13 danielpbarron hey some of the best are women. see: eulora
02:13 trinque for the same milage you could stick a torrent on your own site and seed, if you want people to help you with bandwidth
02:13 mircea_popescu ^
02:13 mircea_popescu much more impenetrable.
02:14 AlfredAlfer Am I poor? Well that's all relative, haha.
02:14 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer the correct solution here is to pay 1-200 per month for a dedicated server in a sane jurisdiction (ie, outside of nato). make sure you get a chunk of ips with it, then host all your shit.
02:14 AlfredAlfer Why the fuck isn't the stormer doing that
02:14 AlfredAlfer they get more than enough money
02:15 mircea_popescu unless you're poor, this is the minimum bar of what you do. you pay rent for a house irl, and a smaller rent for a house on the net.
02:15 mircea_popescu because they've no clue.
02:15 AlfredAlfer you're saying you can buy your own individual server outside of nato?
02:15 mircea_popescu yes.
02:15 AlfredAlfer wtf
02:15 mircea_popescu and once you have that, and especially if you're present here, you are indeed impenetrable, because people will help.
02:15 AlfredAlfer how do they not know this. I mean I'm technologically incompetent but weev should know that
02:15 mircea_popescu such as with archival/disemination/elasticization and other such topics.
02:16 AlfredAlfer when you say help do you mean with security?
02:16 mircea_popescu many people don't know many things that they should know. it's kinda what nato even means by now, "you have this but not that ?!?!"
02:16 mircea_popescu for instance.
02:16 AlfredAlfer yea I guess most of it's hidden in plain site
02:16 AlfredAlfer well I know for a fact the stormer gets way more than that much money per month
02:17 trinque in usd, I'm sure. and they want to go spend that at the mall.
02:17 AlfredAlfer I thought *they* could access anything they pleased.. find their way into any server.. but indeed, there are ones they cannot access
02:17 mircea_popescu consider : when i put in the log earlier, the bot archived it, so now it's at
02:17 mircea_popescu this happens automatically, because we said so at some point. similar measures can be taken to further expand defenses indefinitely.
02:18 AlfredAlfer I see
02:18 AlfredAlfer but isn't the archive also located on the same server?
02:18 mircea_popescu nope.
02:18 mircea_popescu and there's also private archives and all sorts of things.
02:18 AlfredAlfer where is it? somewhere else they can access tho, right?
02:18 mircea_popescu the republic is vast and far reaching.
02:19 AlfredAlfer mmm. I bet the pantsuits are stuck in 3 cyberspace dimensions, meanwhile you guys are on like 6
02:19 mircea_popescu all i got to say to that being
02:19 AlfredAlfer LOlolOl
02:19 AlfredAlfer well that's quite comforting
02:20 mircea_popescu now do me a favour and make yourself a rsa key.
02:20 AlfredAlfer I shall. It's pretty late over here, but I have all of the articles and info you guys sent me open in tabs that will open up as soon as I wake up tomorrow.
02:21 mircea_popescu cool.
02:21 AlfredAlfer I need a fresh brain and a helping hand to do these keys
02:21 AlfredAlfer I'm very excited to learn more
02:21 mircea_popescu peeps'll help.
02:21 AlfredAlfer : )
02:21 mircea_popescu ah, i dun recall what you said, do you read poems ?
02:22 AlfredAlfer Oh - I can, I can read anything. I'm very good at vocal expressions.
02:22 AlfredAlfer Have a decent mic too.
02:23 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer << this is looking for expressing.
02:25 AlfredAlfer that's a good one
02:25 AlfredAlfer I could certainly do it
02:27 mircea_popescu aite, what's keeping you ?
02:27 * trinque to bed, night all
02:27 mod6 ni ni
02:27 mircea_popescu peace.
02:28 AlfredAlfer Well I'll do it if you want me to!
02:28 AlfredAlfer I only ask for one favor in return
02:28 mircea_popescu shoot
02:29 AlfredAlfer Could you give me instructions on how the DS can get an impenetrable domain, through your services or others, that I can relay to weev?
02:29 mircea_popescu well he could just come here and im sure we'll set him up.
02:29 AlfredAlfer ooo
02:29 mircea_popescu iirc danielpbarron was trying to arrange something in that vein a few days ago but he never showed.
02:30 AlfredAlfer Okay, I'll tell him. Oh yes, Dan was the one that got me here. Well I talk to weev regularly so I should be able to coax him
02:30 danielpbarron no that was her
02:30 mircea_popescu oh oh.
02:30 AlfredAlfer Oohhh
02:30 AlfredAlfer no worries, I'll ask him myself.
02:30 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer it's not like it's hard or something. have him drop by, it'll get sorted out.
02:31 mircea_popescu provided he doesn't go "fuck! why didn't i think of that!" when you show him the convo.
02:31 AlfredAlfer Cool.
02:31 AlfredAlfer HAhahha. I did screenshot some of the solutions you wrote, if you didn't mind.
02:31 mircea_popescu you can just link to the log, like i do.
02:31 mircea_popescu there's 3 differenty log websites to choose from.
02:31 mircea_popescu
02:32 AlfredAlfer Oh okay. This whole chat is stored forever in the vaults?
02:32 mircea_popescu yes.
02:32 AlfredAlfer coool
02:32 AlfredAlfer Oh Happy September btw
02:32 mircea_popescu lol
02:32 mircea_popescu !!up AlfredAlfer
02:32 deedbot AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
02:32 mircea_popescu danielpbarron consider how close you came to seeing her topless, too!
02:33 AlfredAlfer 'twill forever be a mystery
02:33 AlfredAlfer unless you seriously up the antee on that .08 btc ; )
02:33 mod6 haha
02:33 AlfredAlfer but no i'm just kidding. I wouldn't do it anyway.
02:33 mircea_popescu wait, what 0.08 ?!
02:34 AlfredAlfer oh I forget what percentage it was
02:34 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer why not ? what, it's shameful to have tits or something ?
02:34 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer it's 0.02. two bitcents. see ? so you can say "here's my two... bitcents".
02:34 AlfredAlfer Lol i told you that would be a bomb the internet would not soon forget.
02:34 AlfredAlfer Lol
02:34 mircea_popescu they forgot boxxy...
02:34 AlfredAlfer boxxy didn't have a rack like mine
02:34 AlfredAlfer also she reincarnated into shoeonhead
02:34 danielpbarron it is pretty nice
02:34 mircea_popescu and all those dumb bimbos with the what was it called, when smartphones got published ?
02:35 mod6 yah, fappining.
02:35 AlfredAlfer Well I'm excited to hear your stormer solutions. The boys will be quite pleased.
02:35 mircea_popescu aite.
02:35 danielpbarron the hunger games chick showed her cunt even
02:35 AlfredAlfer Can you give me a quote to really coax him over here?
02:35 AlfredAlfer ew
02:35 mircea_popescu i dunno.
02:36 AlfredAlfer No worries I'll just link to the suggestions you already wrote out
02:36 AlfredAlfer I really appreciate the help
02:36 mircea_popescu if something like doesn't make the point for him i dunno what would.
02:36 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 05:23 mircea_popescu: << and i don't mean just the root, either.
02:37 AlfredAlfer define root?
02:37 AlfredAlfer sry I'm pretty much good at after effects and flash and have no clue about anything else
02:38 mircea_popescu if you say that's the root. if you say that's two down from root.
02:38 AlfredAlfer oh i see i see
02:38 mircea_popescu first / is the root.
02:38 AlfredAlfer so no one can shut down trilema
02:38 mircea_popescu ah, they try now and again.
02:38 AlfredAlfer even if they started targeting you tomorrow and made a dedicated quest
02:38 AlfredAlfer never succeed? Ever make a dent?
02:38 mircea_popescu but... it's been around for years. it broke the cables story. it broke the fetlife lists. it...
02:38 mircea_popescu there's a reason the pantsuit ignore it.
02:39 AlfredAlfer ohohoho
02:39 mircea_popescu there's a lot of history you don't know.
02:39 AlfredAlfer you must really be the big threat then
02:39 AlfredAlfer Ohhh hh i'm sure you could fill my head for weeks and I wouldn't know a fraction
02:39 mircea_popescu can always read the back logs. prolly instructive.
02:40 mircea_popescu at the last count there were ~2mn lines.
02:40 AlfredAlfer oh my how would I ever prune through that
02:40 mircea_popescu oh right, and
02:40 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 22:22 mircea_popescu just counted, trilema (articles only) stands at 10`631`726 words. this excludes my comments there and of course whatever my share of the log's 2mn lines (ie about what, a further 20-30mn words ?) is.
02:40 AlfredAlfer wowe
02:40 mircea_popescu "the republic is vast and far reaching."
02:40 AlfredAlfer mmmm : )))
02:40 mod6 Reading the whole log is educational, indeed.
02:41 AlfredAlfer the pantsuits only think they control the tip of the iceberg
02:41 AlfredAlfer let 'em have it
02:41 mircea_popescu well, every girl in nowhere, indiana tells herself "she's got a handle on things".
02:41 mircea_popescu kinda the same principle.
02:41 AlfredAlfer hahhaha
02:41 AlfredAlfer myep
02:41 AlfredAlfer such babies. with their baby fiat.
02:42 mircea_popescu "i'm the 2nd prettiest girl in school... well in my class... well, according to my friends at least. AND THIS MATTERS AND MEANS SOMETHING!"
02:42 AlfredAlfer then they go to college and realize they're just another plane jane in a sea of 8's
02:42 AlfredAlfer (if it's not an american college)
02:42 mircea_popescu from what i hear they've gotten pretty pudgy in college these days.
02:42 AlfredAlfer I guess in that case trilema would be about a 17 on the 10 scale
02:43 mircea_popescu used to be fuckfest of all time, but by now it's kinda more like... too much work to roll over.
02:43 AlfredAlfer you're so out of their league they can't even fathom you
02:43 AlfredAlfer eew
02:43 AlfredAlfer basically college is camp to make girls ugly and fat
02:43 mircea_popescu pity.
02:43 AlfredAlfer I'm lucky i made it out as well as I did
02:44 mircea_popescu o, you went to college ? i thought you sold peanuts!
02:44 AlfredAlfer it's the food poison... go to s korea where there is no food poison, where the girls are dainty and light and sweet and young
02:44 AlfredAlfer yea that's what a degree will get you these days
02:44 mircea_popescu costa rica's not bad.
02:44 AlfredAlfer I started doing peanuts junior year
02:44 AlfredAlfer oh yea i'm sure you got your fair share of thi ccccc latinas
02:44 mircea_popescu well yes because they eat crap. but you don't have to.
02:44 AlfredAlfer *pistachios, tho. They only downgraded to peanuts when the phillies really started suckin'
02:45 mircea_popescu very fine steaks and things, if one can afford.
02:45 AlfredAlfer thi cccc latinas are nice tho, i'm not complaining
02:45 mircea_popescu o, you dig girls ?
02:45 AlfredAlfer No, I'm totally straight
02:45 AlfredAlfer I like men
02:45 mircea_popescu i don't.
02:45 AlfredAlfer but i can appreciate the female form
02:45 mircea_popescu i c!
02:45 AlfredAlfer yea we all can, it's nothing new
02:45 AlfredAlfer i like korean girls
02:45 mircea_popescu well, other than being kinda short, there's plenty of form.
02:46 mircea_popescu i don't!
02:46 AlfredAlfer you know I ran off to S Korea after getting doxed
02:46 mircea_popescu how was it ?
02:46 AlfredAlfer during when Kim was really threatening to nuke Seoul
02:46 AlfredAlfer It was an absolute dream
02:46 AlfredAlfer A functioning ethnostate
02:46 mircea_popescu see, if you had your own space on the web you could show me the articles now.
02:46 AlfredAlfer clean, no bums, respectable people.. and the girls took pride in their appearance
02:47 AlfredAlfer growing up around slovenly sows in america, it's quite jarring to be amongst Korean women
02:47 mircea_popescu doesn't sound too bad.
02:47 AlfredAlfer kinda makes you feel like hsit
02:47 AlfredAlfer food is amazing, and everywhere though. I don't know how they stay so slim.
02:47 mircea_popescu im not so crazy abouyt azn food. other than sushi. and some indian.
02:47 mircea_popescu and kimchi.
02:47 AlfredAlfer Seoul isn't just asian tho.. it's like everything. They've mastered the food. They do fine fried chicken. Better than the blacks.
02:48 mircea_popescu and i suppose im full of it, i like azn food just fine. well, minus the stupid shit where they add sugar.
02:48 AlfredAlfer I <3 <3 <3 sushiiii
02:48 mircea_popescu it's better here than in korea, tho. pretty sure.
02:48 mircea_popescu better fish.
02:50 mircea_popescu << what did she say ?
02:50 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 04:14 AlfredAlfer: for me what did me in was a fat joke
02:52 AlfredAlfer lol
02:52 AlfredAlfer the fat joke?
02:52 mircea_popescu yea
02:52 AlfredAlfer oh hold on
02:53 AlfredAlfer
02:53 danielpbarron
02:53 AlfredAlfer lol thanks Dan
02:53 AlfredAlfer totally worth it
02:53 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer here, one from me in exchange :
02:53 a111 Logged on 2017-08-16 17:33 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at "blondes prefer blacks" farms,
02:53 AlfredAlfer how is that a fat joke
02:54 mircea_popescu it's not a fat joke.
02:54 AlfredAlfer oh
02:54 AlfredAlfer lol
02:54 mircea_popescu danielpbarron i give it even odds that the "artificial intelligence" thing saw the red crumpled car and the person and decided that is gore.
02:55 AlfredAlfer I think they now have a censor for really mean fat chicks
02:55 AlfredAlfer *jokes
02:55 danielpbarron that chick died
02:55 mircea_popescu AlfredAlfer do you understant how pantsuit "AI" works ?
02:55 AlfredAlfer yea I know
02:56 AlfredAlfer like their fake AI robots that they pretend are all super-intelligent?
02:56 AlfredAlfer not exactly
02:56 mircea_popescu let's go into detail.
02:56 AlfredAlfer ok
02:56 mircea_popescu so, if i show you two items, an apple and an orange, and i tell you they're all "Fruit" and ask you why, you might say "because they're all round". this is not correct.
02:57 AlfredAlfer mmhm
02:57 mircea_popescu but the google "ai" works exactly in this manner : show a large matrix a bunch of different pics, and then see what got fished up, so to speak.
02:57 AlfredAlfer so it would see heather heyer and think she was a fruit
02:57 mircea_popescu the net result of this being the famous
02:57 a111 Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
02:57 mircea_popescu this actually happens, you flip the pixels it "learned" and it sees the fridge and says cat.
02:58 mircea_popescu because it didn't actually learn anything. it's exact equivalent of exam stuffing, implemented by computers.
02:58 mircea_popescu they don't learn, they just parrot. and it only works if people are banal.
02:58 AlfredAlfer oh no, it's in spanish.. why did the rabbit die
02:58 AlfredAlfer well that's what the pansuits are depending on huh
02:58 mircea_popescu what's in spanish ?
02:58 AlfredAlfer oh, the link you linked to, the first link in the chat
02:58 mircea_popescu um.
02:58 mircea_popescu link ?
02:59 AlfredAlfer
02:59 mircea_popescu oh. that's romanian not spanish.
02:59 AlfredAlfer whoops
02:59 AlfredAlfer forgive me it's late and i've had a couple tequilas heh
02:59 mircea_popescu not like i[m offended lol.
03:00 AlfredAlfer well I don't want you to think I'm that dumb haha
03:00 mircea_popescu too late for that :D
03:00 AlfredAlfer lolol
03:00 AlfredAlfer my forte is in animation.. all else not so much
03:00 AlfredAlfer well I guess I'm good at fat jokes
03:00 mircea_popescu dun worry about it. my forte is in humiliating women.
03:01 AlfredAlfer hueh
03:01 AlfredAlfer well that's a sport I most admire
03:01 AlfredAlfer all my heroes humiliate women
03:01 mircea_popescu you know, the reddit guiys would never guess, but actually a lot of girls do ?
03:01 AlfredAlfer women have an internal drive to be humiliated
03:02 mircea_popescu quite possibly.
03:02 AlfredAlfer anyway, I'm not one of those sickos or anything, I'm not into weird shit
03:02 mircea_popescu lol. you can always tell a girl that grew up in the 50 continental sads, because very shame driven.
03:02 mircea_popescu !!up AlfredAlfer
03:02 deedbot AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
03:02 mircea_popescu s'okay, we're unjudgmental assholes here.
03:02 AlfredAlfer yeh, specially being catholic
03:03 AlfredAlfer lol the continental sads
03:03 AlfredAlfer I know. Poisonous thots as far as the eye can see.
03:03 mircea_popescu i should have said "The 50 contiguous sads", but anyway.
03:03 AlfredAlfer both are funny
03:04 AlfredAlfer the united sads of america
03:04 mircea_popescu anyway. the rabbit died cuz i killed it.
03:04 AlfredAlfer F
03:05 AlfredAlfer I thought perhaps it related to the AI conversation in that someone programmed a bot to kill such and such creature by identifying certain pixels and it mistook the rabbit for what it was supposed to kill
03:05 mircea_popescu nah. unrelated.
03:05 AlfredAlfer ok
03:06 AlfredAlfer Well sir, it's getting quite late over here
03:06 AlfredAlfer I should probably hit the ol hay
03:06 mircea_popescu nighty.
03:06 AlfredAlfer Yea, thanks again for having me : )
03:06 mircea_popescu haven't had you yet.
03:06 AlfredAlfer I'll attempt to set up a key tomorrow
03:06 AlfredAlfer lol
03:06 mircea_popescu ehehe
03:07 AlfredAlfer And I shall tell Weev all about your bountiful solutions
03:07 AlfredAlfer We will get him here.
03:07 mircea_popescu cool. take it ezzy.
03:07 AlfredAlfer Alrighty. gn8
03:11 mircea_popescu << this is so cute. "buzzword applies, yes ?". incantorial technomagix.
03:11 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 04:24 AlfredAlfer: Trilema's decentralized though, right?
03:12 mod6 not sure why i didn't notice before, but I just realized where the tit id's come from. heheh
03:12 mircea_popescu lol!
03:13 mircea_popescu << this is even cuter. the leading + just means it's voiced, not part of the name you know!
03:13 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 04:35 AlfredAlfer: Oh thank you for posting my cartoon, +a111
03:13 * mircea_popescu pictures cartman going "BUT!! are you a111 positive ???"
03:14 mod6 heheh. athoritah.
03:16 mircea_popescu how the fuck have i done nothing but logs and some light fucking today and im looking at a log page halfway through!
03:16 mircea_popescu this is going to get worser.
03:16 mod6 yeah, been pretty steep last few days 'eh
03:17 mircea_popescu word.
03:18 mircea_popescu i dunno, back in say 2014-2015 we had 1.5-2k-2.5k line logs and it wasn't such a load. but the lines musta gotten denser or something, because even 1k nowadays is like... god.
03:18 mircea_popescu i couldn't have aged that much in a few years!
03:19 mod6 heheh. i wonder what the btcbase (or previous incantation) link density is yoy.
03:19 mod6 like, if we're more recently linking things more heavily recently than we were previously, giving rise to deeper discussions to digest.
03:20 mod6 bah, redundancy s/recently//
03:21 mircea_popescu possibly yea
03:23 mod6 we're also getting a bit more lenient on "must read 6mos of logs first" rule imho. and reasonably so when introductions are concerned, but last few days, we've seen a number of threads that could have been avoided.
03:23 mircea_popescu true huh.
03:24 deedbot << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1650...5729 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <>; ' ( US TX)
03:24 deedbot << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...7949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <>; ' ( US TX)
03:24 mod6 this is a tough one however; often we want to discuss matters without having to wait weeks for someone to come back, fully read. but, tradeoffs.
03:25 mircea_popescu yeah, im not complaining about noise level, which'd be aptly addressed by "Stfu nubs and go read logs".
03:25 mircea_popescu kinda on the contrary.
03:25 diana_coman and I thought it was only me struggling to find time to keep up to date on logs lately, ha
03:25 mircea_popescu nope.
03:26 mod6 hi diana_coman
03:26 diana_coman hi mod6
03:26 mod6 i tried to help a guy on eulora, failed. lol. maybe he'll figure it out though.
03:26 mircea_popescu his problem was pretty bizarro.
03:27 diana_coman yeah, I think you actually held his hand quite a lot but who knows what he has there exactly
03:28 mod6 yeah, not quite sure.
03:28 mircea_popescu << no lol.
03:28 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 05:10 AlfredAlfer: say you're completely anonymous, don't use your real name, like I assume all you guys do.. is it easy for them to tie what you've said onto your actual person?
03:28 diana_coman no worries; he might get sorted with danielpbarron's recipe
03:28 mircea_popescu i'm mircea_popescu , danielpbarron is danielpbarron, diana_coman is diana_coman and so following.
03:29 mircea_popescu like half the people actually use own names for nicks, and most of the rest are about as far removed as you with your alfred.
03:29 diana_coman lol at this idea that "completely anonymous" = "don't use your real name"
03:29 mircea_popescu i dunno.
03:29 mircea_popescu !~google Power Word : Real Name
03:29 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Powerword - Encyclopedia Dramatica: <>; Power Word : Real Name - GraphJam - funny graphs - Cheezburger: <>; Urban Dictionary: powerword: <>
03:31 mod6 /nick JohnnyMcFucksticks
03:34 mod6 diana_coman: how's your node goin? still sync'in?
03:36 mircea_popescu in other shit i discover, tila tequilla isn't who i thought it was.
03:43 diana_coman mod6, yeah, node's been fine for quite a while; I'm still looking at the options to run one with a public ip too but not yet settled on that
03:47 mod6 no sweat, glad to hear that it's going alright for ya.
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08:35 asciilifeform !!up needhelpwithnode
08:35 deedbot needhelpwithnode voiced for 30 minutes.
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09:51 asciilifeform incidentally, re 'raw ip addrs hurt me head' folx -- possibly something like ( e.g. ' = far-cab-raw-tap' ) would cure'em
09:51 asciilifeform some people have allergy to digits, it seems
09:52 asciilifeform moldbug et al had their own version of this ( << asciilifeform's lispified take on it )
09:52 asciilifeform eats 32bits and gives you, e.g., 'pobmol-dabmek'.
09:54 asciilifeform ( << see old thread )
09:54 a111 Logged on 2015-05-08 01:24 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: << example of binary shenanigans that i like to give
09:54 asciilifeform this could easily be a, say, plugin for heathen browsers etc.
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10:32 * asciilifeform wonders if 'exciting' text, e.g., 'anal-punishment-drill-thrust', could be moar memorable than syllablesoup
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11:38 asciilifeform in very very other noose : the vendor's vga and ps/2 kbd demo verilog for ice40 builds and WORX
11:38 asciilifeform display syncs and displays moving (via arrow keys) sprite.
11:39 asciilifeform ( olimex sells a little adapter that bolts vga db15 plug and minidin ps/2 to the ice40-1k and -8k boardz )
11:40 asciilifeform vga bouncyball is a 'pons asinorum' of sorts, in fpgadom.
11:41 asciilifeform << subj
11:53 mod6 mornin
11:53 asciilifeform ( << iron component of subj )
11:53 asciilifeform heya mod6
11:53 mod6 how goes alf?
11:53 asciilifeform see l0g
11:55 mod6 <+asciilifeform> in very very other noose : the vendor's vga and ps/2 kbd demo verilog for ice40 builds and WORX << cool
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12:39 mod6 9.95 EUR ea. cheaper bulk prices too.
12:40 asciilifeform mod6: it ain't an everybody-go-buy-9999 item imho
12:41 asciilifeform moar of an aficionado thing
12:41 mod6 ofc
12:42 asciilifeform now on the other hand if somebody sold a board with, e.g., several MB of sram + nic magnetics + uart hole -- then yes
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13:47 ben_vulpes not...exactly a solar shade:
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14:52 BingoBoingo << And that Olympic football goalie had a telephoto lens on her starfish
14:52 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 06:35 danielpbarron: the hunger games chick showed her cunt even
14:56 BingoBoingo Here's another fat joke: "Acral dry gangrene"
14:58 trinque thanks BingoBoingo for today's mental hardening exercise
14:58 BingoBoingo trinque: You are very welcome
15:01 BingoBoingo << Very common issue
15:01 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 07:36 mircea_popescu: in other shit i discover, tila tequilla isn't who i thought it was.
15:06 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
15:06 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: None | Current Difficulty: 8.88171856257E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 483839 | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
15:06 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
15:06 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4832.0, vol: 13524.44295983 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4828.4, vol: 24507.9583815 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4830.6, vol: 4261.1159359 | Volume-weighted last average: 4829.77284514
15:06 BingoBoingo Oh, still crashing... very quaint
15:12 mircea_popescu <<< none of them even knows how to find a browser without autocomplete.
15:12 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 13:51 asciilifeform: incidentally, re 'raw ip addrs hurt me head' folx -- possibly something like ( e.g. ' = far-cab-raw-tap' ) would cure'em
15:22 BingoBoingo In other trends "plasti dip":
15:34 mircea_popescu << no. some non-people are trained as part of their non-people training at the hands of old women to a. never show their cunt in public b. run away whenever specific sounds are heard (1. sirens, 2. "freeze", 3. "nigger", 4. numbers and math, 5. etcetera). this is how old women build "a society" which looks exactly like fucking john gast's "american progress", a "painting" made by tele
15:34 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 13:51 asciilifeform: some people have allergy to digits, it seems
15:34 mircea_popescu graph operators/industrial draughtsmen about how "rain follows the plow" and other convenient anthropo-globalwarmisms of the oldwman herd cca 1800.
15:34 asciilifeform << so you make a mnemonizer that fits on propaganda pamphlet, wat. gotta separate 'is problem worth solving' from the 'how to solve'
15:34 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 19:12 mircea_popescu: <<< none of them even knows how to find a browser without autocomplete.
15:35 mircea_popescu and somehow nobody picked up the pantsuited abominations of THAT period and whipped them to death to appease the dust bowl dust gods.
15:35 mircea_popescu because, you've guessed it, "anyone could have bought into it" and "nobody could have predicted".
15:35 mircea_popescu what the fuck is there to predict ? that old women are stupid ? that the children they raise ?
15:35 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 21:57 mircea_popescu: the only reasonable move for safeguarding earth's future, is to keep you lot as far as feasible from any buttons that are connected to anything.
15:35 mircea_popescu hurr.
15:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform my point was that by the time they typed in 83 the rest of the "unmemorizable address" is already filled in.
15:36 mircea_popescu anyway, im going to meet mah local lawyers over lunch about potential lulz, so bbl.
15:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: contemplated scenario is d00d shouting propaganda, go to and that turns into etc
15:39 mircea_popescu why not just REMEMBER 123.45 and put that in.
15:39 asciilifeform because you ain't remembering, you're megaphoning
15:39 asciilifeform to a crowded train, or whatever.
15:39 mircea_popescu i heard chix megaphoning 1-2-3-4 befoar.
15:40 trinque old farts still manage to key in the phone number to call AM radio
15:40 asciilifeform mnemonism is a thing. 200+yrs state of art.
15:40 mircea_popescu apparently it's a lost technology, this, the NUMBER
15:40 mircea_popescu forget pantsuits trying to take the url out of the browser. apparently they convinced the herd to live without numbers ?
15:41 trinque without anything not attached to a single button press on rectangular glass
15:41 trinque can even shake the thing like a monkey if you didn't mean it!
15:41 asciilifeform trinque: yer comparing unlikes. d00d with same phone # for 50 yrs != shouting to crowd containing entire iq bellcurve and going for max % who remember when they get home
15:41 mircea_popescu we ARE going for max.
15:41 mircea_popescu this is baked in.
15:41 mircea_popescu republic = going for max ; empire = going for many.
15:42 mircea_popescu there is no way to escape this, whoseover goes for many is our enemy and i shall personally knife his rabbits.
15:42 asciilifeform pov is from area denial op ( kill dns as a thing perceived to be required by the cattle ) rather than 'for republic', was what i thought
15:42 mircea_popescu nope.
15:42 mircea_popescu we infect it ; it doesn't infect us.
15:43 asciilifeform then dns will still exist 100y from nao
15:43 asciilifeform with the attendant unearned rents for derps.
15:43 mircea_popescu maybe in a zoo
15:44 mircea_popescu anyway, bbl for realz.
15:44 trinque hasta luego
15:45 trinque asciilifeform: kids do more work installing cracked games and so on than it is to put something in hosts file
15:45 asciilifeform trinque ( and others ) : out of curiosity, how many ipv4's do you personally keep in yer head ? ( NOT counting 'magics' , e.g. )
15:45 asciilifeform asciilifeform walks around with maybe a dozen
15:46 trinque I don't keep 'em in head, but hostfile
15:46 trinque *hosts
15:47 asciilifeform that works for folx 'with jobs, jerry, and office' -- i.e. fleet of unix boxes
15:47 trinque sure, got even a local cache of DNS sitting here
15:47 asciilifeform what will you suggest to the iphonist ? 'fuck off and go sit on a road cone' ?
15:47 asciilifeform ( is what asciilifeform's emulated mircea_popescutron replied )
15:47 trinque bookmark the digits with a name
15:48 asciilifeform and let's say you wanted to speak it
15:49 asciilifeform gonna 'alpha bravo charlie fullstop....' etc?
15:49 trinque "fifty two" "twenty eight" "two hundred seven" "five" ??
15:49 asciilifeform ever done this over a noisy radio ( or shitphone ) all day ?
15:49 trinque yup
15:49 trinque latter
15:49 asciilifeform 0 eggogs?
15:50 ben_vulpes what as if there are zero with spellable names gtfo
15:50 trinque why make dns better rather than murder leaving no trace?
15:50 trinque hypertext on gossipd may sensibly *lack* the notion of "website" entirely.
15:50 asciilifeform trinque: because it is very difficult to murder with no trace a thing to which all of the apparent alternatives are spike cones.
15:51 asciilifeform and the problem has applications elsewhere ( dictating rsa keys over voice etc )
15:51 trinque but "I want the page with hash H"
15:51 trinque and whichever peers have it or don't
15:51 asciilifeform shouting hex digits is lame.
15:51 trinque peers may even say "here's what I think dailysturmer is" and you go pick a hash to use
15:51 asciilifeform and makes poor use of not only bandwidth but the frontbrain which is sitting right there.
15:52 trinque which yes means every single update to ds index page has to flow through someone you know gossiptronically for you to know about it
15:52 asciilifeform trinque: 'address by pubkey' yes
15:52 asciilifeform i thought it was obvious Right Thing
15:54 asciilifeform !#s dicelist
15:54 a111 32 results for "dicelist",
15:54 asciilifeform ...
15:54 asciilifeform ah there.
15:54 trinque eh not sold on addressing being the thing; addressing identifies who I asked
15:54 trinque the hash says what item I want
15:54 asciilifeform there is no WHO separate from pubkey.
15:54 trinque no shit eh?
15:56 trinque but then that station goes down and I wanted an item from it; then what?
15:56 asciilifeform then as trinque said.
15:56 asciilifeform it goes down, the answer to your query of its pubkey is mu until goes back up, neh
15:56 asciilifeform how else
15:56 trinque I said how else.
15:56 trinque how the p2p networks, gnutella et al, worked, but routed over gossipd wotnet
15:56 asciilifeform aa in the sense of dht
15:56 trinque yessir, dht atop what you're talking about would be quite robust to this whole "hurr durr took down the website FBI logo srs"
15:56 asciilifeform ( i use one of these ~daily, 'kademlia' )
15:57 asciilifeform 'gimme ff143abcd...' 'hereitis'/'nobodygotit'
15:58 asciilifeform the tricky bit is how to propagate these without ending up with 'no individual node gives anything to allcomers, yes, but allcomer can ring the whole world as a bell and it never stops'
15:58 trinque and yes would kill the "dynamic web" thing which, what the fuck, it's hypertext not a program, even if a program generated the hypertext.
15:59 asciilifeform kad did this with traditional 'time to live' but that is promisetronic ultimately
16:00 asciilifeform trinque: 'www server should serve statics' is great until you realize that you use phf's search box every day and it's a dynamicism
16:00 asciilifeform what nao.
16:01 asciilifeform see the 'phuctor as a static www' thread
16:01 trinque serves statics.
16:01 trinque even the search
16:01 asciilifeform how's that work ?
16:01 asciilifeform ( how does POST work statically ?? )
16:03 trinque anything you're using as a search index can exist as some file with a hash your DHTinator could pull itself and look at on your end.
16:04 asciilifeform substrings, trinque -- what happens when i type 'anything you're using as a search index can exist' string into your search ?
16:04 asciilifeform describe plox the algo
16:05 trinque are we really trying to preserve every idiotic misuse of hypertext here?
16:05 asciilifeform fulltext search is not a misuse
16:05 trinque by your line of questioning kad can't search
16:05 asciilifeform how do i make a phuctor at all with your algo ? ( how do users submit a key ?? )
16:05 trinque by sending you a key over gossipd
16:05 asciilifeform kad can only search by hash of entire parcel.
16:05 trinque where does hypertext come into that, except "SOP"
16:06 asciilifeform trinque: so we're contemplating a separation of reads and writes into unlike protocols ?
16:06 asciilifeform ( this is not necessarily a bad idea, but i'd like to hear moar re how )
16:06 trinque exactly how works neh?
16:06 trinque eats via bot
16:06 trinque maybe bot's offline, can't eat
16:07 trinque so yes, if were on gossipd it'd eat by bot attached to particular station, maybe redundant somehow, but leaving that aside, this contemplated DHT could still make particular states of the thing redundant past the the death of trinque
16:08 asciilifeform trinque: lemme confess to you the context : i recently took a break from $usual to write an ada www server, and quickly barfed. because thought 'and what, it also gotta handle POSTs, and quickly becomes asinine mess of horror'
16:08 asciilifeform but say it DIDN'T handle posts...
16:09 asciilifeform let's work out a concrete example
16:09 trinque hypertext's an inert datastructure, gives you a graph to crawl over while reading. why's it gotta be an interactive program aside that usecase?
16:09 trinque there was a very recent thread re: this
16:10 asciilifeform let's take , well-known lulzgem.
16:11 asciilifeform how would you convert this to trinque-addressing scheme without losing functionality ?
16:11 asciilifeform ( or, alternatively, what functionality would you have phuctor lose ? )
16:12 trinque lets say it's phuctored again. your station broadcasts to whoever it cares to tell, a particular identifier unique within your station now points to a new hash.
16:12 trinque my station hears, can ask you for the goods.
16:12 asciilifeform forget the pushing variant. i want to put a handle on a particular pgpkey or pgpfp into the l0gz. what does that look like ?
16:13 trinque folks can now ask me whether I have a particular hash, but can only know you meant it to mean "mahmood-anal-perforation-7" if they know you, or if you signed the fact that it is
16:13 trinque it looks like the hash of an item, and whatever thing is showing me logs either knows what it is, or doesn't
16:13 asciilifeform to reformulate : how do i refer to an index into a db that is indexable by more than one column ?
16:14 asciilifeform phuctor deals in TWO types of hash
16:14 trinque no multiple columns; one hash and it's upon the reader to be able to find the item or not.
16:14 asciilifeform ahahahahaha procrustes thx but no thx, plz play again
16:14 asciilifeform without procrustation this time
16:15 trinque eh I have lost interest by now.
16:15 asciilifeform it's an actual open problem, wat
16:15 asciilifeform i'd like to see it solved.
16:15 asciilifeform ( and not defined away, but solved. )
16:16 trinque you're going to have to point out to me where link-by-hash fails then
16:17 trinque and why my reader, being able to resolve hashes of items ~or not~ based on what my station knows, and peer stations tell me.
16:20 asciilifeform it fails because -- in the particular example i gave -- it ain't 1:1
16:20 trinque your aliases for items which identify membership of the item in some set *are themselves items which your station publishes, individually*
16:21 trinque you belch out facts, rest of the world can either hear you or not, can either confirm you said them or not. or wtf was gossipd again?
16:22 asciilifeform trinque: you're mixing layers. basic mechanics of gossiptron is not in dispute, q was re how to query a db by more than 1 possible index col
16:22 trinque why do you wish to express querying in terms of a hypertext interface at all?
16:23 trinque !!gettrust deedbot asciilifeform
16:23 deedbot L1: 1, L2: 10 by 10 connections.
16:23 asciilifeform trinque: q is re what a 'url' ( or what we call it instead ) really ~is~
16:24 asciilifeform is it a locative ? or an immutable
16:24 trinque as locative, it's not doing so hot.
16:25 asciilifeform consider, for sake of argument, curl | sha512sum today gives me 19a66977545747f383eccd6f570270a77cd620aa011651c94e777992ee63b08a30052eff4045e672c2387ebfbd18509e5c29a1a247fadcfebf3828dc02789b25
16:25 trinque and URL as some kind of query language is abominable
16:26 asciilifeform but tomorrow could be something else, if the ratings change
16:26 asciilifeform trinque: the thing behind that url is ephemeral by nature.
16:27 asciilifeform the only meaningful way to represent it is by listing the input operands which produced it ( in this case, the fp arg )
16:27 asciilifeform just same as with the phuctor example
16:28 asciilifeform just like , a d00d whose key is unbroken, the page can have potentially very different output the ~next~ time you read it
16:28 trinque yes. my station told you that means 19a66977545747f383eccd6f570270a77cd620aa011651c94e777992ee63b08a30052eff4045e672c2387ebfbd18509e5c29a1a247fadcfebf3828dc02789b25
16:28 trinque and tomorrow you ask and it says new hash, and maybe even gives you the hashed item, how nice
16:29 trinque and as I describe things the gossipdnet now has, if it wants, a history of what its seen, and a way to refer to it.
16:29 asciilifeform trinque: might i persuade you to write the algo out ? in longhand
16:30 trinque alright
16:30 asciilifeform ( sorta like my item , for instance )
16:30 asciilifeform more pedantic -- the merrier
16:30 asciilifeform i promise to read.
16:30 trinque sure, will write.
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16:51 asciilifeform incidentally ted nelson struggled with this conundrum, and imho his failure to produce anything looked like a solution, is 1 of the reasons why he was relegated to 'voice in wilderness' rather than getting to define www
16:51 asciilifeform ( the www people simply pissed on the problem, african-style, and didn't even pretend to solve )
16:52 asciilifeform *anything which looked like
16:53 trinque imagine the hilarity of actual human communication resembling www; you and I wish to speak irl, we go to the designated 3rd party for the particular language we'll speak, he relays between us and all other folks discussing same.
16:53 asciilifeform 'hey trinque, what's your gurl's favourite colour?' '19a66977545747f383eccd6f570270a77cd620aa011651c94e777992ee63b08a30052eff4045e672c2387ebfbd18509e5c29a1a247fadcfebf3828dc02789b25....'
16:53 asciilifeform lol!
16:56 mod6 heheh
16:56 asciilifeform ah trinque you meant the incaism of dns etc
16:56 asciilifeform sure.
16:57 trinque www itself is an incaism. death to "it was said on arsebook walled garden; lives and dies at the mercy of arsebook"
16:58 trinque anyhow will write, not gonna try to babble it into logs further.
16:58 asciilifeform aite
16:59 asciilifeform is trinque familiar with 'eternity' and earlier attempts at perma-dht 133337w4r3ztronics ?
17:00 trinque not that particular one, but I would hazard a guess it lacked the hierarchial trust topology that makes other republican items work.
17:00 * trinque afk for a sec
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17:28 asciilifeform !!up Barbarossa_
17:28 deedbot Barbarossa_ voiced for 30 minutes.
17:29 Barbarossa_ any chance of a price cut for FUCKGOATS w BTC @ ATH?
17:29 ben_vulpes Barbarossa_: there was just a price cut
17:29 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: btc has been at alltimehigh maybe 4 days out of 5 for past 6 months neh
17:30 asciilifeform and yes there was recently a price cut
17:30 ben_vulpes
17:30 asciilifeform there are no plans to peg the price, however, to a fixed quantity of usd, or troy of gold, or pounds of grain, or any other babylonian metric.,
17:31 asciilifeform because why.
17:31 Barbarossa_ kinda strange to use BTC as unit of account already, no?
17:31 asciilifeform why it strange, and usd -- not ?
17:32 Barbarossa_ variance
17:32 asciilifeform 1 btc is worth 1 btc today -- just as in 2009
17:32 trinque ikr, usd loses value all the time. serious variance.
17:32 asciilifeform so what variance
17:32 asciilifeform 'time flows at 1 second per second ' (tm)(r)
17:33 Barbarossa_ don't get me wrong: I'm mostly just trying to wrangle for an even cheaper implementation of gold standard entropy (despite not being a joo)
17:34 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: technically you can get it for exactly what it costs us -- make it yerself from the schematics
17:34 Barbarossa_ ye, division of labor and all that
17:34 asciilifeform however, the difference b/w what ~that~ costs, and what we charge, is denominated in btc.
17:35 ben_vulpes Barbarossa_: jewdom is a state of mind
17:35 Barbarossa_ damnit, guess I'm a self-loathing crytoJOO after all :(
17:35 Barbarossa_ crypto*
17:36 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: to shed more light on (entirely not seekrit) price structure -- to pay for producing a device, btc is spent. then it gotta be earned back.
17:36 ben_vulpes hey it could be worse, you could be cryojewnic
17:36 hanbot Barbarossa_ if you own tits in some capacity you could always apply the proceeds of to your order eh
17:36 asciilifeform btc earned back. not -- pointedly -- usd, or dubloons, or grain.
17:36 asciilifeform it does 0 good to earn back something other than the btc that was spent. because snsa operates in btc.
17:37 asciilifeform does this make sense ?
17:37 ben_vulpes how is s.nsa earning the btc back with the price cuts? were materials not paid for in btc many moons past?
17:37 Barbarossa_ yup; tbh I'd pay 3x what you're charging
17:39 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the answer lies -- megasurprise -- in the broadcasts.
17:40 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: waiwat -- you'd pay 3x, but not the current price ?!
17:40 asciilifeform you're welcome to send in 3x the btc !
17:40 asciilifeform and specify 'no thx i only want 1 box'
17:40 Barbarossa_ I mostly just wanted to bring up FUCKGOATS coz I'm so happy that it exists
17:40 asciilifeform why ty Barbarossa_
17:41 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: consider introducing yourself ? who are you ? already own a fg ?
17:41 Barbarossa_ no - my PGP keys were all generated on a diddled wintel box
17:41 Barbarossa_ I'm a professsional poker player from the UK
17:42 asciilifeform i expect a pokerist would have something to say re rng, aha
17:42 Barbarossa_ but I'm in the process of getting trb/linux/FG and all that
17:42 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: you should definitely stick around until mircea_popescu wakes up
17:42 Barbarossa_ well, 6 riffle shuffles are enough for us ;)
17:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is co-author of fg.
17:42 asciilifeform ( and many other nice things )
17:44 Barbarossa_ Pokerstars, the largest site, uses a semi-transparent mirror for entropy
17:44 Barbarossa_ dunno how practical that'd be for a FG-type device tho
17:44 asciilifeform the problem with that method, as with many others, is the ~measurement~ apparatus
17:44 asciilifeform analogue effects in practice suck for proper rng
17:44 asciilifeform because of adc artifacts.
17:44 Barbarossa_ ye, the key advantage to FG being auditability
17:45 asciilifeform correct
17:45 asciilifeform i experimented with many types of rng.
17:46 Barbarossa_ me too
17:46 Barbarossa_ run-good AND run-bad :D
17:46 asciilifeform i rejected all physical effects which require an adc
17:46 asciilifeform because there is NO such thing as a zero-artifact adc.
17:46 asciilifeform and they all suffer from the equivalent of lcd moire
17:46 asciilifeform ( sampling artifact )
17:47 asciilifeform also rejected all effects which require high voltages, because voltagemultipliers contain oscillator
17:47 asciilifeform ( which in turn works its way into the output, no matter what you do )
17:47 asciilifeform so no geigers, no reversebiased diodes.
17:48 asciilifeform this left johnson noise; and natural radioactivity + scintillation detector. the latter may appear in a future snsa product.
17:48 asciilifeform ( but it won't be cheap. )
17:49 Barbarossa_ I read the FG documentation - will be interesting verifying everything as a total layman
17:49 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: see some linked examples ( near top of page , near the schems ) of other folx who verified.
17:49 Barbarossa_ thanks, will do
17:49 asciilifeform and plz do consider posting a link here, when you have.
17:49 asciilifeform ( when you get one, and verify in various ways )
17:50 Barbarossa_ did you also create the PGP signing dongle thing?
17:51 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: in the process of prototyping that one, we found that gpg is a turd
17:51 Barbarossa_ hmm looks like I need to read more logs
17:51 asciilifeform aha.
17:51 Barbarossa_ I've been using GPG assuming it's sound
17:51 asciilifeform a replacement is in the works here.
17:52 Barbarossa_ true philanthropy!
17:52 asciilifeform not so much from philanthropy, as from the fact of gpg being rather like the sarcophagus at chernobyl, times 9000
17:53 asciilifeform the main failure is that it does not :
17:53 asciilifeform !#s fits in head
17:53 a111 123 results for "fits in head",
17:53 Barbarossa_ built by Ukranians in the 1980s?
17:54 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: worse, built by
17:54 asciilifeform !#s koch
17:54 a111 108 results for "koch",
17:54 asciilifeform enemy agent.
17:55 Barbarossa_ but, but, but, open sauce, thousand eyes and all that
17:55 asciilifeform !#s fly eyes
17:55 a111 12 results for "fly eyes",
17:55 danielpbarron Barbarossa_, i might be interested in selling you one for a little less. what were you looking to spend?
17:55 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: see also
17:56 Barbarossa_ I don't actually mind paying retail, thanks though!
17:56 danielpbarron hm, ok
17:57 Barbarossa_ thanks for the links, asciilifeform
17:57 ben_vulpes omfg it's rentalstarter all over again
17:57 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: np. i recommend to stay tuned until mircea_popescu wakesup
17:57 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ?
17:58 ben_vulpes old assets lolz, "rentalstarter" froze asset trading and then sold a pile of shares at above market price to "mystery investor who wanted to pay more than market price"
17:58 asciilifeform !!up Barbarossa_
17:58 deedbot Barbarossa_ voiced for 30 minutes.
17:58 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: there's nuffin wrong with folx reselling fg, or using it for fly fishing, or balloon ballast, whatever
17:59 ben_vulpes iz joek
17:59 asciilifeform wasn't obvious
17:59 ben_vulpes guy wants to buy at above market clearing price; it's funny!
18:00 ben_vulpes but also cool
18:00 Barbarossa_ not saying I want to, just that I would!
18:00 Barbarossa_ beats rolling dice all day
18:00 ben_vulpes Barbarossa_: market clearing price is danielpbarron's lower-than-snsa offer
18:00 Barbarossa_ ah right, well - I like filling in webforms
18:01 asciilifeform sorta like that thread where asciilifeform mentioned that he'd buy a 10,000$ comp. but not same comp he has , hopefully ! but ~a~ comp
18:01 Barbarossa_ danielpbarron - currently reading Idols for Destruction - you'd probably enjoy it
18:02 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> old assets lolz, "rentalstarter" froze asset trading and then sold a pile of shares at above market price to "mystery investor who wanted to pay more than market price" << AHA, Thetwentyyear or some shit like that
18:02 BingoBoingo !#s Thetwentyyear
18:02 a111 1 result for "Thetwentyyear",
18:02 BingoBoingo !#s rentalstarter
18:02 a111 91 results for "rentalstarter",
18:03 BingoBoingo Ah, sorry The20YearIRCloud was it's name
18:03 asciilifeform if you think you see somebody willingly paying 'more than market price', consider that you might be mistaken re the identity of what he's paying for
18:04 ben_vulpes fg from ft meade!
18:04 asciilifeform so if mircea_popescu is paying ben_vulpes 10 dubloons per diem to guard his plutonium stash, it does not follow that this is 'above market' just because there is a queue of redditors offering to do it for 1 dubloon
18:05 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: all fg should be assumed to pass through ftmeade. sorta what the audit process is for, neh.
18:06 ben_vulpes well yeah
18:06 asciilifeform though i've thought about suggesting to mircea_popescu to offer hand-delivery ( chore would fall to asciilifeform... ) as an option. but i dun like nonflat prices
18:07 ben_vulpes for my illumination, what do you figure Barbarossa_ is buying from you that he is not from danielpbarron ?
18:07 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i don't know specifically what.
18:07 BingoBoingo Well 2nd as opposed to first batch for one
18:07 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what do you expect from toyota when you go to them instead of used dealer ?
18:07 Barbarossa_ time to setup all the PGP stuff and a hot wallet to send the bitcoin etc
18:08 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: once you get a pgp key, consider registering with deedbot
18:08 asciilifeform !!help
18:08 deedbot
18:08 ben_vulpes oh no, danielpbarron is mining with customer hardware!
18:08 Barbarossa_ didn't wanna say yes, then have to delay a week getting ready to actually buy
18:08 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i haven't any notion, maybe he runs them near his particle accelerator's beamline, wat.
18:09 asciilifeform for that matter, maybe ~asciilifeform~ does. but you have to ~add~ P(one) to P(the other)...
18:09 ben_vulpes could be!
18:09 asciilifeform whereas if you get from asciilifeform strictly, it's just that one P.
18:09 asciilifeform sorta what the toyota example is about.
18:14 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: where can i find out re pokerstars rng ?
18:14 asciilifeform all i found was this
18:14 Barbarossa_ iirc I read it on their official blog, but this was a couple years back
18:14 asciilifeform which contains not only no proof of anything, but not even an assertion re what exactly they supposedly use
18:15 Barbarossa_ they claimed to fire photons at a semi-transparent mirror hosted somewhere in the Isle of Man
18:15 asciilifeform 'We submitted extensive information about our random number generator (RNG) to an independent organization. We asked this trusted resource to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on our platform.'
18:15 Barbarossa_ they made/make no pretensions as to verifiability
18:15 Barbarossa_ gambers gonna gamble regardless
18:15 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: there are commercial rng that use interferometer, yes ( NONE of them auditable by owner, in fact many epoxied and otherwise artificially painful to examine )
18:16 asciilifeform and cheapest i know of, is north of 20,000 usd per
18:16 asciilifeform ( and problematic in other ways -- not even shy about using 'whitening' for instance. )
18:17 Barbarossa_ fwiw I've never heard a player even ask how they generate the entropy
18:17 Barbarossa_ I didn't care myself - until bitcoin existed
18:17 asciilifeform #!s provably fair
18:18 asciilifeform !#s provably fair
18:18 a111 93 results for "provably fair",
18:18 asciilifeform ^ was in fashion for a while. prng is used, and the next day (week, month, etc) seed is published. however,
18:18 Barbarossa_ Pokerstars explicity claim TRNG
18:18 asciilifeform this does not actually solve the problem of proving that the output of prng was not known in advance to one or more of the players.
18:19 asciilifeform claiming trng is unprovable. they might have a fg, or they might have a wad of bytes generated in 2014 and designated winners get a copy.
18:19 asciilifeform designated losers -- get 'chance'
18:19 Barbarossa_ that has been a problem in the past - a la a site known as Unibet
18:19 Barbarossa_ or was it Ultimate Bet? I forget. There have been a lot of scams
18:20 mircea_popescu dun dun dun.
18:20 asciilifeform ohai mircea_popescu !
18:20 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: there are arcane approaches to solving the problem mathematically ( see shamir's poker , etc ) but afaik none in battlefield use today.
18:21 Barbarossa_ thanks, will read up on it, asciilifeform
18:21 asciilifeform Barbarossa_: meet mircea_popescu
18:21 Barbarossa_ hello!
18:21 mircea_popescu << would cure nobody, they want it to "how does the shutdown relate to me". the larger half of the whole "left or right can of pepsi" is the subjective impression of "personalization" of can of pepsi.
18:21 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 13:51 asciilifeform: incidentally, re 'raw ip addrs hurt me head' folx -- possibly something like ( e.g. ' = far-cab-raw-tap' ) would cure'em
18:22 mircea_popescu how goes it.
18:22 Barbarossa_ better for having a load of logs to chew through
18:22 mircea_popescu cool.
18:23 mircea_popescu << nice!
18:23 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 15:38 asciilifeform: display syncs and displays moving (via arrow keys) sprite.
18:24 mircea_popescu << at least on linux. not so sure you can run anything like it on windows ?
18:24 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 19:45 trinque: asciilifeform: kids do more work installing cracked games and so on than it is to put something in hosts file
18:25 mircea_popescu !~google dns masquerade for windows
18:25 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Simple DNS Plus: <>; MaraDNS - a small open-source DNS server: <>; Dual DHCP DNS Server download | <>
18:25 trinque am I dating myself here?
18:25 asciilifeform winblowz has a hosts.txt, wat
18:25 mircea_popescu nm, it exists.
18:25 mircea_popescu trinque hm ?
18:25 trinque used to do all kinds of "patch this file in that dir with leethax.exe" when I was in teens
18:25 asciilifeform trinque: still done
18:25 mircea_popescu ah yeah.
18:26 mircea_popescu << again,
18:26 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 19:45 asciilifeform: trinque ( and others ) : out of curiosity, how many ipv4's do you personally keep in yer head ? ( NOT counting 'magics' , e.g. )
18:26 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 19:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point was that by the time they typed in 83 the rest of the "unmemorizable address" is already filled in.
18:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol, i'm sold
18:27 asciilifeform trinque convinced.
18:27 mircea_popescu not to mention you know, fucken bookmarks.
18:28 asciilifeform !!up Barbarossa_
18:28 deedbot Barbarossa_ voiced for 30 minutes.
18:28 mircea_popescu << for the record, slashdot was named SPECIOFICALLY as to bother lamers. "wait, http:///. ?
18:28 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 19:50 ben_vulpes: what as if there are zero with spellable names gtfo
18:29 asciilifeform anykey!
18:29 mircea_popescu there was a time when most ghosts had no idea wtf this http is and how does internets again ?
18:29 mircea_popescu that time was a decade ago.
18:30 mircea_popescu << conceivable.
18:30 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 19:50 trinque: hypertext on gossipd may sensibly *lack* the notion of "website" entirely.
18:30 asciilifeform i can see where mircea_popescu is going. they had nfi, then some 'kind' soul 'helped'
18:30 asciilifeform and now we have whatwehave.
18:30 mircea_popescu and they still have nfi, and still can be helped.
18:31 mircea_popescu this is the problem, with pantsuit as prb alike : they lack the capacity to influence reality. at any point, arbitrarily long chain of "progress", unwound at 0 cost.
18:31 mircea_popescu even at a profit.
18:33 danielpbarron Barbarossa_, take your time. also i would not sell you one i already opened; i have plenty still sealed in the electrostatic bag
18:34 Barbarossa_ no worries - didn't mean to besmirch your character - just not waste your time
18:34 danielpbarron Barbarossa_, what's the book you mentioned about?
18:35 Barbarossa_ "The conflict of Christian faith and American culture"
18:35 mircea_popescu << it's not directly clear that search is misuse of hypertext
18:35 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 20:05 trinque: are we really trying to preserve every idiotic misuse of hypertext here?
18:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: imho trinque hit upon a potentially good 'engineer cut' tho -- separation of 'fetch me this thing, that we know exists' from 'perform the following computation with these-here params'
18:36 mircea_popescu this makes sense ya
18:36 trinque isn't a misuse, yes, but search UI is not implemented with it.
18:36 asciilifeform the former is ffatronic ( bound! ) ; the latter -- potentially unbound
18:36 mircea_popescu in this view the "web" logsearch is really properly "that part of uci you lot intuiutively implemented"
18:37 trinque deedbot vs separation of concern is what I'm driving at, will drive at it more clearly when paybot dislodged from queue.
18:37 trinque specifically publishing is a separate concern from the rest, and would benefit from the fault tolerance proposed.
18:37 asciilifeform separation of flies and cutlets algo works best by starting from the peripheries -- take off the flies which clearly touch only flies, and the cutlerstuff that clearly touches solely cutletstuff.
18:38 Barbarossa_ mircea_popescu: Romanian gamblers have warned me to stay away from their womenfolk, no matter how voluptuous - apparently more trouble than worth - good advice?
18:38 asciilifeform then and only then, the middle.
18:38 mircea_popescu Barbarossa_ i have no idea.
18:38 trinque lol, maybe they like their women enough to keep!
18:39 Barbarossa_ they don't seem to date them
18:39 mircea_popescu i can't even parse that, wtf is "romanian gamblers", and what is "their womenfolk" and what is voluptuous here and so on.
18:39 mircea_popescu whatever. if you're looking for advice, the correct advice is stay away from women.
18:39 Barbarossa_ hot Romanian females deal in the UK; .ro d00ds aren't impressed
18:40 mircea_popescu say what now ?
18:40 Barbarossa_ sorry - in UK casinos there are lots of Romanian dealers
18:40 mircea_popescu ok.
18:40 mircea_popescu i had no idea uk even had casinos.
18:40 Barbarossa_ ye, gambling is surprisingly lax here
18:41 mircea_popescu what do they do there, eat pringles and show each other their id badges ?
18:41 Barbarossa_ basically only freedom we hve
18:41 Barbarossa_ more or less
18:41 mircea_popescu sounds very properly uk-dismal.
18:42 mircea_popescu Barbarossa_ write it up sometime, with pics and everything, i'd read. got a blog ?
18:43 Barbarossa_ It's a LOT less interesting than you're imagining, I can promise you that
18:43 mircea_popescu mkay.
18:43 Barbarossa_ we actually have GTO-approximation software now
18:44 Barbarossa_ PIOsolver, for example
18:44 mircea_popescu honestly i wasn't imagining anything beyond a sorta thing.
18:44 mircea_popescu argentines also think they have casinos.
18:45 Barbarossa_ haha, the UK casinos are a *little* nicer - but the US has the best I've seen, by far
18:46 mircea_popescu i prefer costa rica, because no access control.
18:46 * mircea_popescu is never showing id to go into a casino, ever.
18:46 Barbarossa_ sweet - they're super stringent in the UK; US pretty laid back in my experience
18:47 mircea_popescu i don't know anyone but idiots and poor orcs still in that shithole. romanians fine example of both categories.
18:48 Barbarossa_ can't argue with that, though there is admittedly some selection bias: only Romanians I know are professional gamblers
18:49 Barbarossa_ they do seem uniquely miserable, though - even by British standards
18:49 mircea_popescu there's loads of "it experts" who get all excited about salaries being slightly higher than in bucharest and then do indescribably stupid bullshit in the vein of undertaking 30 year adjustable mortgages to buy the utter shit that passes for real estate in england and there only.
18:50 mircea_popescu there's also loads of whores, and some migrant gypsies. the latter category possibly only ones who are both having fun and using the uk as it is intended and merits to be used.
18:50 Barbarossa_ which is?
18:51 mircea_popescu << a fine example.
18:51 mircea_popescu "She said: ‘These people have just trashed 30 years of my life and thrown it into bin bags. It is soul-destroying.’"
18:51 mircea_popescu considering the old woman in question worked for the uk govt, there are truly fewer things more upright or morally deserving to do than to destroy her soul and throw the bits in the garbage.
18:52 Barbarossa_ amen!
18:52 mircea_popescu and the inept copper is trying to flirt with the hussy, in their inept cuckolded way. and she's evidently privy to it, and so is her cousin. (2nd pic)
18:58 mircea_popescu << seems the correct solution is the layer of indirection. you do have actual information, which is immutable, and which can be served as urls ; and you have indexing etcetera, which yes is mutable, but which also best lives as an alias layer on top of urls. so in this sense : each line in the log is an url ; the query for "give me the by-day list of archives" just like the query for
18:58 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 20:24 asciilifeform: is it a locative ? or an immutable
18:58 mircea_popescu "give me the list of all lines with string x" are not requests for urls per se, but requests for computation. "please interpret the indirection layer and compose a list of urls as a solution to that".
18:58 mircea_popescu now, that in practice these APPEAR mixed, is a matter of little theoretical consequence.
18:59 mircea_popescu but in fact my quering for is a double request : "give me all the lines from the log that fit "2017-09-01" mask, ie from to or w/e.
19:00 mircea_popescu that superficially it appears that is a top node for a set of is just unfortunate ; in reality the are the topnodes and just a particular mask on them.
19:00 asciilifeform tnelson understood this
19:00 asciilifeform called the xxxxx 'tumblers'
19:00 asciilifeform (1960s...)
19:01 asciilifeform ( why -- i still have nfi )
19:01 mircea_popescu right.
19:02 mircea_popescu old style ben_vulpes was an attempt to do exactly this i suspect, we nixed it because too long hashes ; but practical considerations have no theoretical power.
19:02 asciilifeform wai which
19:03 mircea_popescu <
19:03 a111 Logged on 2016-12-09 23:01 ben_vulpes: in other wwwtronic toyz:
19:03 asciilifeform aa
19:03 mircea_popescu it is more ~convenient~ to have the url in phf style, but this convenience does not change the fact that yes, they ARE ben_vulpes style.
19:04 mircea_popescu much like digital notation of transcendents, be it more convenient, does not un-make their transcendence.
19:04 ben_vulpes as an aside, it is obnoxious that anchors are not passed in the request
19:04 asciilifeform www browser was made by monkeys and is ill-equipped to flip b/w variant views of an object
19:04 asciilifeform ( or to show any relation b/w objects other than how you ~got to it~, which is wholly incidental to the object ! )
19:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: htm anchors suck balls
19:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform human brai nidem, which is why cartesian/polar switching such a problem.
19:05 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: in exactly same way and for same reason as the rest of www stack
19:05 asciilifeform htm is to actual hypertext as koch is to rsa.
19:06 asciilifeform as ethertardium is to btc, etc
19:06 mircea_popescu poor naggum. if he lived he'd have had something to live for,
19:06 mircea_popescu this is very specifically what they mean by "permanent solution to temporary problem" btw. here we are.
19:11 asciilifeform some mouse bangs against the glass 900 times, others -- 9,000
19:12 asciilifeform no mouse -- infinitely
19:12 trinque isn't any very good reason why phf's style and ben_vulpes's style are both facts expressed in some datastructure, identified by their respective hashes.
19:12 trinque *aren't
19:13 trinque it's a fact there's a log line, and also a fact a phfnode said about it, I saw at time T
19:13 asciilifeform trinque: the other thing, if you are going to put entire weight of the known universe on a hash, gotta specify what happens in case of a collision.
19:13 asciilifeform because it's a when, not an if.
19:14 asciilifeform this is kinda why asciilifeform isn't overly fond of hashing .
19:15 asciilifeform it is a type of fractionalreservebanking.
19:15 asciilifeform worx great until actually pressed to capacity and then suddenly worx not at all.
19:16 trinque can still sign the material pointed to by the hash, if worried.
19:16 asciilifeform that's just another hash.
19:16 asciilifeform point of concern is the indexer -- it has nfi re the signatures or any such detail
19:16 asciilifeform it takes a hash and gives back a warez ( or opposite )
19:17 asciilifeform what is it to do if it has 2+ ?
19:17 trinque there is no "the indexer"
19:17 asciilifeform world -- unravels.
19:17 trinque you asked the indexes of your trusted peers, who asked theirs
19:17 asciilifeform you can't treat hashes as 1:1 with your set.
19:17 trinque and should rank responses accordingly.
19:17 trinque this isn't gnutella flatland
19:17 asciilifeform because 'take this Q, gimme X where H(X)=Q' can resolve to infinitely many X
19:18 asciilifeform trinque: if you worked out a clean answr to this puzzle in your article, i'll enjoy reading
19:18 trinque definitely a point
19:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> that's just another hash. << no, tmsr-rsa does fulltext signing.
19:19 asciilifeform there ain't no such thing as fulltext signing if fulltext is bigger than your modulus ( and padding also takes space )
19:19 mircea_popescu but there is. blocks.
19:19 asciilifeform and how do you prevent rearrangement ?
19:19 mircea_popescu count.
19:19 asciilifeform what means count
19:20 mircea_popescu block 1 : blabla. signed. block 2 : hurrdurr. signed.
19:20 asciilifeform if you split into chunks and sign each chunk, enemy can shuffle'em
19:20 mircea_popescu final block : yadda yadda. signed.
19:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you sign a more complex construct.
19:20 asciilifeform and enemy takes fullblock, block1, and block2 and rearranges on the wire and naowat.
19:20 asciilifeform what means 'more compact construct'
19:20 asciilifeform if not... a hash.
19:20 mircea_popescu nao you re-arrange by the count.
19:21 asciilifeform let's work example ?
19:21 mircea_popescu let's take as sample text "what means 'more compact construct'".
19:21 asciilifeform aite. your block size is 5.
19:21 asciilifeform what are the blocks ?
19:22 mircea_popescu signed material looks as follows : 0001what 0faadd0002means8391240004 'moraff02930005...ffffuct'ajk40009a435aad
19:22 mircea_popescu and you know 9 blocks were signed, and they are as such :
19:22 asciilifeform enemy takes your 0001what someotherdays00002 moraff02930005 .... etc and yer phucked
19:23 asciilifeform he now has an 'alphabet' of signed chunkolade
19:23 mircea_popescu 0001what someotherdays does not check out against faadd
19:23 asciilifeform why not ?
19:23 asciilifeform he takes chunks from diff occasions.
19:23 mircea_popescu because faad is the signature for "0001what " not for "0001otherwhat"
19:23 asciilifeform there is nothing hard-linking the chunks to your particular transmission.
19:23 mircea_popescu the final bit is, yes.
19:24 asciilifeform what's the final bit ?
19:24 mircea_popescu are you pressing me to say "a hash" ?
19:24 asciilifeform well what else is it called.
19:24 asciilifeform can call bzortl if you want.
19:24 asciilifeform but on my planet -- hash.
19:24 mircea_popescu a... digest :D
19:24 asciilifeform lol
19:24 trinque lol
19:25 mircea_popescu i see what you mean, but you've no legs to stand on. suppose each successive block is a successive hash.
19:25 mircea_popescu message-block...chain.
19:25 mircea_popescu "yes, enemy has alphabet of chunks : he knows how to sign ilif every time it comes after asci and is 2nd in ther chain"
19:26 trinque doesn't that successfuly diminish the likelihood of a usable collision?
19:26 mircea_popescu yes.
19:26 trinque *successively.
19:26 mircea_popescu and it's not even the only technique.
19:26 asciilifeform we already established that a hash collision is asteroid event for blockchain.
19:26 mircea_popescu just spur of the moment.
19:26 asciilifeform ( old thread )
19:26 mircea_popescu and besides, with a settable hash like mpfhf you can use different size hashes all the time.
19:26 mircea_popescu "hurr durr we know how to sign "cocksucker" whenever they use 93 bit outputs. which is... not now."
19:27 asciilifeform there is no place for blank cheques in network protocol.
19:27 mircea_popescu and by no means mpfhf only settable. keccak will work also.
19:27 asciilifeform gotta fixedtimespace.
19:27 mircea_popescu so, message as chain of message blocks, with acordeon, settable hash. yes it is "possible" to get a collision. if your hash is 512bytes long... not soon.
19:28 asciilifeform hash collisions cannot be fixed by 'we use THIS OTHER hash NAO! haha' because now enemy can monkey with the past.
19:28 asciilifeform the past has no 'now'
19:28 mircea_popescu nobody forces us to use the 32/64 byte crap nsit likes.
19:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform LONGER hashes.
19:28 asciilifeform yes but you cannot retro-elongate hashes of the past.
19:28 mircea_popescu so who cares.
19:28 mircea_popescu there's no shits given re tmsa-rsa-signature being retrocompatible.
19:28 asciilifeform anyone verifying a freshly synced node?!
19:28 asciilifeform cares.
19:28 mircea_popescu i don't follow.
19:28 asciilifeform i dun mean 'retrocompatible with usg', i mean -- with self.
19:29 mircea_popescu we're talking of different things in the sense you went off on a tangent.
19:29 mircea_popescu the important point is : acordeon hash function set up to spit 256 byte or 512 byte hashes WILL NOT collide.
19:29 mircea_popescu because
19:29 mircea_popescu !~calc 2 ** 256
19:29 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 2 ** 256 = 1.157920892373162E77
19:30 asciilifeform i don't see a zero
19:30 mircea_popescu e 77, you understand me.
19:30 asciilifeform that ain't a zero.
19:30 mircea_popescu e 77 is how you say zero on earth.
19:30 asciilifeform and nobody promised you a fair roulette here.
19:30 asciilifeform there is NO theoretical proof of strength for any hash algo
19:30 asciilifeform just as there is not for block cipher.
19:30 asciilifeform they are vooodoo.
19:30 mircea_popescu we'l;l soon enough have a practical one.
19:30 asciilifeform 0 proof of strength.
19:31 trinque penultimate worst case is that folks republish their items in the case of hashpocalypse. and they tell their trusted peers. and it propagates over wot.
19:31 mircea_popescu tell you what, i also have no proof in your sense the slavegirls ain't cheating on me.
19:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i did not say 'let's all quit using hashes', nao
19:31 trinque worst case is the original publisher is dead, and all you've got are whoever cared about him.
19:31 asciilifeform but did say 'fractional reserve'
19:31 asciilifeform which is IS.
19:31 trinque and they republish what they've got. like all history.
19:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fraction is so small as to be below heisenberg limits. this matters.
19:32 asciilifeform only if it's an ideal roulette
19:32 asciilifeform and not a 'year is 2020 and keccak broke'
19:32 mircea_popescu huge difference between sub-heisenberg fractional and super-heisenberg fractional.
19:32 mircea_popescu gotta find out somehow.
19:32 asciilifeform in other walks of life, when, e.g., building bridge, there is a notion of material strength
19:33 asciilifeform you know roughly how much stress a thing can take, before you put stress on it
19:33 asciilifeform we have no such thing for hash.
19:33 asciilifeform ( and i say this after making 'v', where proposed to put all of human knowledge to sit on hash! lol )
19:34 mircea_popescu for the record, si heisenberg limit is 10^-34
19:34 asciilifeform i'd like to find what trinque had in mind re accounting for collisions. ( but let's encourage him to put it in the article! )
19:36 asciilifeform btw mircea_popescu it so happens that i have what looks like a solution to 'sign a TB with a 4096bit key with no hash'
19:36 asciilifeform or rather not i have one, but
19:36 asciilifeform luby has one.
19:36 mircea_popescu possibru
19:36 asciilifeform ( now it should be obvious how )
19:36 mircea_popescu no, i was expecting that's what you want ever since pushing me above.
19:37 mircea_popescu and i don't think it's necessarily a bad solution, which is why i said there are others.
19:37 asciilifeform grind luby's soliton distribution, and you get a calculably vanishing probability of failure
19:37 asciilifeform sorta like in miller-rabin.
19:38 asciilifeform for n00bz, i'll review : cut into chunks C1,C2,...,Cn; then sign, S(C1 xor C2), S(C2,C3,C9999), S(C5), etc. with the 'soliton' providing the arity
19:38 asciilifeform ideally you'd have no 1-aries , for reason discussed earlier
19:39 mircea_popescu you can chose an arbitrary large prime and have that arity.
19:39 asciilifeform then verify by unlubying.
19:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's potentially infinitely many ways to lubyate
19:39 mircea_popescu right.
19:39 mircea_popescu so as i was saying -- we don't have to usg.dumb sign anything.
19:39 asciilifeform that goes withoutsaying lol
19:39 mircea_popescu aite then
19:40 asciilifeform lulzily, the above result contradicts the 'literature'
19:40 asciilifeform where whatshisface 'proved' that public key signatures are impossible w/out hashing.
19:40 mircea_popescu right.
19:40 asciilifeform ('trapdoors must exist')
19:40 mircea_popescu good thing we didn't read the pdfs.
19:40 asciilifeform youreaditherephirst.
19:40 mircea_popescu << this is how everything was ever done in the field.
19:40 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 20:51 asciilifeform: ( the www people simply pissed on the problem, african-style, and didn't even pretend to solve )
19:41 mircea_popescu "what if we pretend problem doesn't exist ?" "well... it'll catch up with you eventually" "But after i vest, right ?" "probably..."
19:41 asciilifeform 'leave town before check bounces' aha
19:41 mircea_popescu quite. though usually in the manner of "i just want my pension"
19:42 mircea_popescu << quite. and as the femme alf says, "they don't even know it exists".
19:42 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 20:57 trinque: www itself is an incaism. death to "it was said on arsebook walled garden; lives and dies at the mercy of arsebook"
19:43 asciilifeform lol
19:43 mircea_popescu btw am i the only one HIGHLY entertained by the internets producing a girl alf ?
19:45 mircea_popescu << likely eventually.
19:45 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 21:29 Barbarossa_: any chance of a price cut for FUCKGOATS w BTC @ ATH?
19:45 mircea_popescu oh, he split.
19:47 mircea_popescu meanwhile in black-on-white,
19:48 mircea_popescu << you should see the shuffling, its something else. so, dealer spreads cards on the table and rubs his hands on them in a circular pattern sometimes distrurbign the player's chip stacks.
19:48 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 21:42 Barbarossa_: well, 6 riffle shuffles are enough for us ;)
19:49 asciilifeform << hashcollision!11
19:49 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 23:43 mircea_popescu: btw am i the only one HIGHLY entertained by the internets producing a girl alf ?
19:49 asciilifeform oh and hey remember the idiot anglos who pictured 'girl mircea'
19:50 mircea_popescu hey, at least yours has the best rack of the alf-right or how did that go.
19:50 asciilifeform aha!
19:50 mircea_popescu a, yeah, she was also hawt.
19:50 mircea_popescu
19:50 trinque this is not persuading me of the hazards of hashcollision
19:50 mircea_popescu the DUKES of hazards of hashcollisions, trinque.
19:51 trinque haw
19:51 trinque where's that oglaf
19:51 trinque
19:52 shinohai ^ best oglaf EVAH
19:52 mircea_popescu loller.
19:52 mircea_popescu i still think the best ever is the magic of denial one.
19:53 asciilifeform runner up nominate, 'the restless dead vote', and 'sword fucks your wife at night'
19:53 mircea_popescu yeah, srsly. lots of good ones.
19:54 shinohai !~later tell jurov I wish to donate my s.qntra shares this month to the bitcoin foundation. Please advise how to proceed, thx.
19:54 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
19:54 mircea_popescu the girls love the "ne futem sau evadam ?" "fuff. mai fimflu" one. which only exists in romanian.
19:54 asciilifeform why the author is not here, remains a puzzler
19:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform didn't want to commission back in 2013 or so because i don't recall, something about how doesn't want to lose the spirit or somesuch.
19:55 asciilifeform wasn't even thinking of commission. but abstract 'here'
19:55 asciilifeform as in , speaking .
19:55 mircea_popescu i dunno.
19:55 mircea_popescu conceivably, same.
19:58 mircea_popescu << this works well for hookers, blow, beers, pizza, generally consumables.
19:58 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 22:06 asciilifeform: though i've thought about suggesting to mircea_popescu to offer hand-delivery ( chore would fall to asciilifeform... ) as an option. but i dun like nonflat prices
19:58 mircea_popescu not so much for capital goods.
19:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: proposed strictly as an answer to the provenance thing
19:59 asciilifeform i.e. no dirty usg postman hands
19:59 mircea_popescu not a good answer. courier can get ambushed just as well.
19:59 mircea_popescu what, you're going to arm them too ? with what, submarines ?
19:59 asciilifeform and asciilifeform can be replaced with ninjashogun right here in his chair neh. idea is to reduce the layers to 1.
20:00 mircea_popescu there's no actual reduction ; just an expensive, bug ridden implementation of half of usmail
20:00 asciilifeform but i dun know that anybody wants to pay for what it costs to deliver this way, unless he lives across the street.
20:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i beg to differ, if unit hangs around asciilifeform's neck from door to door, it's a layer reduction and not == to usmail.
20:01 mircea_popescu << this trusted, anonymous item. sounds like fiat thought process, that strand of fatlogic.\
20:01 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 22:15 asciilifeform: 'We submitted extensive information about our random number generator (RNG) to an independent organization. We asked this trusted resource to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on our platform.'
20:01 asciilifeform ikr?
20:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this impression is borne out of lack of experience and no more. what, i'm going to assembly line phds ?
20:01 asciilifeform almost like 'trusted' were just a cardboard propeller on a straw airplane to these folx
20:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in point of fact folx can and do sometimes pay for phd to make an appearance at an assembly line.
20:02 asciilifeform depends on the occasion neh.
20:02 mircea_popescu true. but not really a bread and butter thing.
20:02 asciilifeform wasn't proposed as a standard part of fg delivery lol
20:02 mircea_popescu thanks heavens.
20:03 asciilifeform asciilifeform is not made of rubber.
20:03 mircea_popescu << dooglus 's implementation actually solved that.
20:03 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 22:18 asciilifeform: this does not actually solve the problem of proving that the output of prng was not known in advance to one or more of the players.
20:03 asciilifeform oh -- how ?
20:03 mircea_popescu the reason i kept trying to get him to be involved with things was exactly that he had good solutions to actual problems. but... never caught on.
20:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform seed is a combo of site-produced TRNG entropy and player-set (with defaults if playher doesn't feel like setting). you can change your portion at any time.
20:04 mircea_popescu conceptually equivalent to sha(site+player1) etc.
20:04 asciilifeform what does the end-of-play reveal look like ?
20:05 mircea_popescu site publishes site + player, player can verify that published player = what he thought he was and that the sha results match (published)
20:06 asciilifeform does it publish 'and then player 9000 changed his nonce at time 100' etc ?
20:06 asciilifeform that'd make sense.
20:06 asciilifeform nifty.
20:06 mircea_popescu concrete example : you set your seed to "i like chicks with small tits", site sets seed to "71c0891f45d65ff7"
20:07 mircea_popescu then the first hand is played as 0c3dbf77a25ebe9733548266406161111522839d1d41f221070e59c361f6b2b0990df0606d143e90b1bb9ed1a9b39ff5fcf0ac153cc0e90297f1273076fcf38c
20:07 asciilifeform this reduces to shamir's algo dunnit.
20:07 * asciilifeform gets
20:07 asciilifeform of course you still can't prove that the house was not 'btcmining' the hash
20:07 mircea_popescu and then when the reveal occurs, you sha512(i like chicks with small tits71c0891f45d65ff7) and see.
20:07 asciilifeform and that all the other players' nonces aren't hashwaltzes
20:07 mircea_popescu this was for casino style games.
20:07 mircea_popescu ie, you against the house.
20:07 asciilifeform esp if 'anyone can change his nonce whenever'
20:07 asciilifeform then especially how can you prove absence of waltz
20:08 mircea_popescu and it doesn't work without withening ; or in other words : he intelligently used the otherwise useless whitening step as an assurance provider. was pretty clever move, esp considering the standard for intelligence at the time.
20:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what do you mean by waltz ?
20:08 asciilifeform walk the nonces until the hash output comes out in favour of house
20:08 asciilifeform ( the nonces OTHER than yours )
20:08 mircea_popescu house uses the same hash for all players for the whole day.
20:08 asciilifeform let's say poker
20:09 mircea_popescu that's what it means "house", in this new paradigm.
20:09 asciilifeform how to prove that the other N-1 players, other than yourself, ain't sybils
20:09 asciilifeform who change their nonces specifically when it would benefit the house, and in such a way as to.
20:09 mircea_popescu again, this was for casino games, not poker. he never implemented multiplayer afaik.
20:09 asciilifeform 'house' being them
20:09 asciilifeform for house games would work
20:09 mircea_popescu it's what it was used for.
20:09 asciilifeform aite.
20:09 asciilifeform clever
20:10 mircea_popescu anyway, we had a good solution with poker, but it never got implemented.
20:10 mircea_popescu and ima not talk about it, because fuck it.
20:10 asciilifeform lol i was about to say.
20:10 asciilifeform (why free gift to derps)
20:10 mircea_popescu right
20:11 asciilifeform !#s cryptographic poker
20:11 a111 2 results for "cryptographic poker",
20:11 asciilifeform it ain't a virgin field
20:11 asciilifeform but asciilifeform does not specifically favour any of the published algo
20:11 mircea_popescu anyway, very much a : i was the first investor afaik, his site was going great, thgen the (canadian) government stepped in and burned down the respectable business of an intelligent citizen.
20:12 mircea_popescu then they want to talk about "Gdp growth" and "technology". fuck them in the ass with a pike of stupid, there's no technology in north america, and no gdp growth.
20:12 * shinohai likes how original satoshi BTC code haz built-in pokar room
20:12 asciilifeform was this in the great pokerholocausting?
20:12 mircea_popescu nah, i don't recall what the site was called, but dice something.
20:12 mircea_popescu i dunno why you're so fixated on poker, this was just early bitcoin business.
20:13 asciilifeform shinohai: aha, iirc some 'i am shitoshi'-flavoured sc4mz0r even tried to make use of the fact to 'prove' his case
20:13 mircea_popescu !#s "justdice"
20:13 a111 32 results for "\"justdice\"",
20:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nitpick was not specific to poker, applies to any 3+party game
20:14 mircea_popescu that.
20:14 asciilifeform aah
20:14 asciilifeform where did these go.
20:14 shinohai It was the most recent hoaxtoshi, tried releasing code that is publicly available if one digs hard enough
20:14 asciilifeform somehow never hear about'em no moar
20:14 shinohai I mean *I* have a copy on my site
20:15 asciilifeform shinohai: it was in 0.1
20:15 shinohai I MUST BE SATOSHI
20:15 mircea_popescu shinohoshi
20:20 mircea_popescu and in other "here's a trilema article to translate lol",
20:20 asciilifeform << to briefly revisit this lul -- reaction was to d00d who walked in and 'i'd even pay 20x moar for fg!' but he dun particularly want 20 fg. so suppose to give him for what to 20x moar.
20:20 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 00:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this impression is borne out of lack of experience and no more. what, i'm going to assembly line phds ?
20:20 asciilifeform *for what to pay
20:21 mircea_popescu ah. you know you souind a little like a hooker ? "customer wanted to pay more for drinks so i figured what the hell, ima go home with him. am i fired ?"
20:21 mircea_popescu "no, just come to work on heels and nothing else tomorrow"
20:21 asciilifeform moar of a 'for 10,000 i'll drill own hole'(tm)(r)
20:22 mircea_popescu hehe
20:22 mircea_popescu same thing!!!
20:22 asciilifeform it is innit.
20:23 mircea_popescu kinda
20:23 asciilifeform anyway almost whole point of how fg is made is so as this is not esp. appealing.
20:24 mircea_popescu yeah.
20:24 asciilifeform dun have to be carried in arse or under guard etc
20:25 asciilifeform fiatola derps fixate on chains of custody because they can't verify jackshit
20:26 asciilifeform 'is this gold bar or tungstenlulz' 'we can lose the tail end of it + potentiallywholething to find out, ohjoy!'
~ 51 minutes ~
21:17 asciilifeform << literatureprizewinner!?1
~ 22 minutes ~
21:40 mircea_popescu i have nfi what that is.
21:40 mircea_popescu weirdos abound.
21:44 mod6 haha, that was all over the place.
21:47 mircea_popescu meaningful fiction is hard.
21:51 hanbot Stanislav Datsokgivsky << straight outta that "Cheap Detective" Neil Simon parody where everyone east of the mississip is AdjectiveNounVerbski
21:52 mircea_popescu oh is that the one where they mash casablanca, to have and have not, the maltese falcon etc together, leslie nelson style ?
21:52 hanbot that's the one
21:53 mircea_popescu pity they had that schmuck in it, what's his name.
21:53 mircea_popescu the short dood with bad diction, was in a buncha tv detective shows
21:59 hanbot iono, phtephen mcstature
21:59 mircea_popescu lol
22:02 mircea_popescu peter falk
~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~
23:06 ag3nt_zer0 Hello TMSR... trying to implement trb here. What is the proper way to "save the PGP public keys" before placing them in .wot? Do I simply copy the entirety of the text (including -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----) revealed at the link provided by deedbot, place that into a text editor, and then save as .asc?
23:09 mod6 yes.
23:09 mod6 name the files like, 'mod6.asc', 'asciilifeform.asc', etc.
23:10 mod6 you want to paste everything through '-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----'
~ 19 minutes ~
23:30 ag3nt_zer0 ok tyvm :)
23:30 mod6 np, gl!
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