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00:21 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
00:21 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4864.01, vol: 17307.21357500 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4855.3, vol: 33254.43085696 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4882.03, vol: 5321.89464584 | Volume-weighted last average: 4860.54304793
00:27 BingoBoingo !!up needhelpwithnode
00:27 deedbot needhelpwithnode voiced for 30 minutes.
00:28 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/09/september-begins-with-still-deepening-fiat-malaise/ << Qntra - September Begins With Still Deepening Fiat Malaise
00:31 needhelpwithnode thanks bingo bongo
00:33 needhelpwithnode I have a story to share with you big whales
00:37 mod6 ok
00:37 needhelpwithnode basically i was lonely and was looking to have some human affection/love. So going back to home i converted an hidden amount of btc to 50 eur, cashed out at the ATM, and started to looking forward for Street hookers. I'm generally afraid to do it because if my country police catch you talking for business with a pro, there is a very big fine (500 e
00:37 needhelpwithnode uros)
00:39 needhelpwithnode (this fine only applies to cheap Street prostitution, since the cool kids cannot morally stand an half naked woman doin her job, doin it at home is perfectly legit and no fine applies)
00:40 mod6 ah
00:41 trinque starting to see what node he wanted help with
00:43 needhelpwithnode then appears this super cute girl (at least for my standards), she's 20, very hot romanian girl. Scared as fuck and proactively looking for police to eventually flee the zone, i approach her and she tolds me that for 30 bombs, she can have good time with me in the car
00:46 mircea_popescu 50 euro hookers ?
00:46 needhelpwithnode i'm totally ok with the price, but only later, when we are in the car and she show me her just remade 7k euros fake titties, I realize that I'm an emotional guy and the vulva of this girl is not turning on me at all
00:46 needhelpwithnode mircea_popescu: 30
00:47 mircea_popescu where the hell is this, cheaper than here even.
00:48 needhelpwithnode well but likes shared VPNs, with such prices you cannot have nothing to expect aside of the physical action
00:48 needhelpwithnode the girl is simply cannot dedicate resources to you
00:48 needhelpwithnode ***the girl simply
00:48 needhelpwithnode but going on with the story
00:50 needhelpwithnode she realizes that I'm not turned on, and then tells me: baby, I don't have much time to spend here cause i need to continue working
00:53 needhelpwithnode I try to explain to her my delicate situation having her standing in front of my stomach. She try to fix the situation in a harsh way telling me "should i go up your little friend?"
00:55 needhelpwithnode To cut a not too long story short: i just hugged her, and had no ejaculation of any kind
00:55 mircea_popescu there's kinds ?
00:57 needhelpwithnode well, after this I realized to have wasted 30 euros, but even more sadly, wasted bitcoin to have something that is really difficult and expensive to buy
00:58 mircea_popescu blesfully.
01:07 mircea_popescu 94.185.74.247 for the record.
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01:23 mod6 shinohai: hey, thanks the donation Sir.
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02:07 mircea_popescu https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/20/technology/theyre-trying-to-sue-a-white-supremacist-first-he-must-be-found.html in other lulz.
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02:27 mircea_popescu mostly for the lulzy "A team of four people hired by the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center to serve Mr. Anglin with notice of a lawsuit accusing him of leading a “troll army” have failed. They scoured parts of Ohio, where Mr. Anglin is from, and talked to his brother; they went to his father’s counseling office; they drove around his sister’s church. When they saw someone was home at an apartment affiliated with h
02:27 mircea_popescu im, they staked it out. The fruitless search for him exemplifies the challenges that online harassment cases sometimes encounter.
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02:27 mircea_popescu totally, trying to harass people ain't always easy.
02:30 mircea_popescu but anyway, as per usual : the usg focusing on idiots, trying to build "legal precedent" on the basis of pursuing people too feebleminded to as much as find their way here.
02:30 mircea_popescu then supposedly "as to the mentally retarded, so for everyone, tis teh caselaws!" or somesuch bullshit.
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07:42 BingoBoingo It's just what USG does. Brings everyone down to retard precedent.
07:48 BingoBoingo In other lulz, Google, after inventing a holding company for itself 'Alphabet' has invented a holding company for that 'XXVI'
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09:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709817 << why invent revenue streams, best "re-invent itself" aka "redecoration".
09:12 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 11:48 BingoBoingo: In other lulz, Google, after inventing a holding company for itself 'Alphabet' has invented a holding company for that 'XXVI'
09:13 mircea_popescu !!up barpub
09:13 deedbot barpub voiced for 30 minutes.
09:13 mircea_popescu who were ye again /
09:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709812 << usg.riaa had no problems with trials and verdicts in absentia; wai nao ?
09:18 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 06:27 mircea_popescu: im, they staked it out. The fruitless search for him exemplifies the challenges that online harassment cases sometimes encounter.
09:19 mircea_popescu i dunno. cuz they know he's an imbecile and dun wanna miss out on the presence ?
09:19 asciilifeform aah hm.
09:20 mircea_popescu there's a composite value, and i suppose they're aware the "this is what our SOPS said nyah" portion is just about epsilon.
09:20 mircea_popescu the "this dood we chose for not being mp -- isn't mp, so nyah, no mps do or can exist" portion is apparently what they're after.
09:21 asciilifeform the previous tard picked for this - one spencer - was spent. so i suppose new one needed.
09:22 asciilifeform also bonus, i expect they are working to kick the dog, hoping for a mcveigh
09:23 mircea_popescu amusingly this whole thing stems out of : some obnoxiouys pantsuit hag started harassing that spencer dude's mom, to get her to "disown" her son and donate his inheritance to the nigger fund or some shit. THAT part was a-ok ; but when this dork put some words on a website and as a result THOUSANDS of people told that woman what a shitstain she is, THEN it became scandalous.
09:23 mircea_popescu because you know, how dare the pantsuit misbehaviours THAT ARE OH-SO SOCIALLY SUPPORTED not be socially supported at all!
09:23 mircea_popescu so let's make a trial about not-that and be right about it vicariously!
09:25 mircea_popescu (that being the idea here, the shit-piss-licker center isn't suing about "is it ok for a meg ryan wanna-be to try and defraud an old woman into giving her all the moneyz". it's suing about "is it ok for fraudster specializing in old women to be told off by the public if she's defrauding for the dnc!")
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09:29 asciilifeform fraud ( or murder, watever ) under usg krysha is a-ok, who's about to punish it
09:29 asciilifeform certainly not the old cuck
09:30 mircea_popescu not a great trump fan, are ye
09:30 asciilifeform hey when balloon was still full of air, looked great
09:33 asciilifeform today - only sad skin left.
09:44 mircea_popescu i dun recall that time lol
09:49 asciilifeform recall, the brochure, where 'close most fed agencies', 'defund warmism', etc etc
09:49 mircea_popescu i've not bothered to actually do an eval.
09:50 mircea_popescu but i can tell you the clinton foundation "gender" derps are well defunded.
09:50 mircea_popescu about to rape some here.
09:54 mircea_popescu meanwhile in the maryjane files, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cd2fe3a2625b43210a53db66eb14d463/tumblr_nwn3cakN4u1usvqwuo1_1280.jpg
10:04 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-july-august-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), July-August 2017 Statement
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10:37 shinohai http://archive.is/1otw0 <<< Moar SONIC WAVEZZZZ!!!!!!
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11:15 asciilifeform lol!!
11:15 asciilifeform when usg does this to halfwit dissenters, it's a schizo diagnosis and a one way ticket to padded room
11:16 asciilifeform when done to usg -- 'atrocity'
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11:16 mircea_popescu cuban ministry "uhm... i'm pretty sure they were this way when we got 'em. americans with brain injury, amirite ?"
11:18 shinohai "So we're good here"
11:21 shinohai http://archive.is/ccLzJ <<< A new "sekoor" debian-ish distro for BTC, contains only spv wallet
11:21 asciilifeform lol debian rng
11:21 mircea_popescu of course.
11:23 * mircea_popescu feels the need to put http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-july-august-2017-statement/#selection-1029.0-1045.44 into the log :
11:23 mircea_popescu "To put the matter in simple terms : next time you get a "black chix code" itch and feel like vomiting your idiocy in the shape of "patches" and "code submissions", seriously consider writing strings on your tits instead. It's infinitely easier to clean up, and it ends up costing us less money! This is what true ecology is all about, ye ken ?"
11:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: still tearing prbisms out of the graphics libs, or wat
11:25 * asciilifeform has only surface knowledge of euloratronics
11:25 mircea_popescu not even gfx libs.
11:27 mircea_popescu but yes, by the time code costs a buck a line to NOT exist, i'm considering a bullet per "IT expert" "github developer" etc head would be way the fuck cheaper.
11:27 mircea_popescu next 20 btc goes to bomb cars in bay area, not to fucking code cleanup.
11:28 mircea_popescu !~google how many bomb cars could i buy for 100`000 dollars in san francisco
11:28 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: What people say about making $120,000 in Silicon Valley ...: <http://www.businessinsider.com/what-people-say-about-making-120000-in-silicon-valley-2016-6>; How Much You Have To Work To Make $100000 ... - Business Insider: <http://www.businessinsider.com/where-to-work-to-to-make-100000-driving-for-uber-lyft-and-sidecar-2015-1>; Here's What A $100,000 Salary Gets You In 20 Global Cities ...: (1 more message)
11:28 mircea_popescu check out the artificial intelligence!
11:28 asciilifeform y'mean there's still a hole b/w there and mircea_popescu's eulora kitchen ?! big enough for ants ?
11:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nope. nevertheless, i can't shoot people in the past.
11:29 mircea_popescu i gotta shoot people in the present so they don't befoul the future in the manner they befouled the present through existing in the past.
11:29 mircea_popescu but yes, i'd very much like to kill the present crop of "it experts" "github developers" etc as babies if possible. rather than as adults.
11:30 asciilifeform https://youtu.be/qj4BzME7c-o?t=25s << oblig ancient lul
11:30 mircea_popescu imagine, you know, getting ian "debian was the early apple appstore" murdock into a terrible, decapitating bike accident at age 5, rather than waiting for him to be fucking forty and get it from its own team.
11:31 shinohai https://github.com/owocki/pytrader <<< "My test portfolio was initialized with a 1 BTC deposit, and after 2 months and 23,413 trades, exited with 0.955 BTC. The system paid 2.486 BTC in fees to poloniex."
11:31 shinohai SUCCESS!!!!
11:32 asciilifeform ( summary: partizan boy going barmy; column is advancing, but he stops to shoot a hitler poster in the mud. each bullet he imagines unbombs a house, underds buncha prisoners 'from' gasenwagen, armies disassemble, etc, time unwinds. )
11:32 asciilifeform *unherds
11:33 asciilifeform shinohai: lol !
11:33 mircea_popescu sounds exactly right,m at that
11:34 shinohai I'm sure the Baloney exchange appreciates these advances in AI and machine lurnin
11:34 asciilifeform shinohai: recall http://btcbase.org/log/2013-02-17#-120762 ?
11:34 a111 Logged on 2013-02-17 02:04 asciilifeform: zanz: I made 0.4 BTC (or 1.4 BTC, depending on how you count) using MPEX
11:34 asciilifeform and without even a bot...
11:35 shinohai ^ heh that was when I was still doing my 6 month novitiate log reading
11:35 asciilifeform shinohai: i had a somewhat nonstandard 'bootcamp' tour.
11:43 asciilifeform '...people-say-about-making-120000-in-silicon-valley-2016-6...' << that's quite like 20 in the normal swamp
11:44 mircea_popescu yeah, somehow all the abundance of "commentary", exploratory-creative as it is, fails to fucking mention "120k" actually means 70k post tax, and -5k post rent.
11:44 asciilifeform ... or maybe not even. i met people who get 20 here in ye olde swamp and still have a flat to himself, rather than barrack
11:44 mircea_popescu da fuck bitch, when i say make 120k i MEAN make 120k. wtf is this "hey, congrats on your 120cough70" bullshit.
11:45 mircea_popescu the "oh, tax goes without saying" lulz is rapidly becoming the lightningrod of imperial dorkitude. really, bitch, tax ? and what else, gender fluidity ?
11:46 asciilifeform not only tax. old associate of asciilifeform's thought he was clever , went off to taiwan, keeping same (tele) job. found himself with 'cost of living adjust' to half the pay the next month.
11:47 asciilifeform what does tax even mean when you're paid in sov scrip to begin with.
11:48 asciilifeform ( d00d wasn't a monkey, had an actual skill, even, a db massageur and imho a good one )
11:54 mircea_popescu ahahaha WHAT
11:54 mircea_popescu in similar news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/308e27164c7a1e482c036fb35b0c5878/tumblr_no7i7cu55O1s94pn6o1_500.gif
11:55 asciilifeform lol i gotta wonder, do they draw straws, short straw gets the ear
11:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how is that supposed to work anyway, like argentine's notion of rental agreements, "We decided to increase rent" ?
11:56 mircea_popescu i dunno if i ever recounted that lulz, was a buncha dorks, "um... we would like more money" "that's nice. so would i"
11:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suppose it works by 'at will employment, we do whatever we feel like, incl. fuck your ear, and if you dun like it go find another plantation'
11:56 mircea_popescu sure thang lol.
11:57 mircea_popescu i had nfi taiwan was cheap anyway. isn't that where they stack like sardines, moreso than in london ?
11:57 asciilifeform just about anywhere short of mars is cheap vs usa
11:58 mircea_popescu no way lol.
11:58 mircea_popescu usa is one of the cheaper.
11:58 asciilifeform not the part of usa where employed folx live, lol
11:58 asciilifeform ( if he had moved to montana prolly would have gotten similar cut )
11:59 mircea_popescu now, specifically re san francisco, it's not THAT much worse than london/moscow and way the fuck cheaper than shanghai.
11:59 asciilifeform nah, 300k$ buys you (with title) an actual flat in moscow
12:00 mircea_popescu where ?
12:00 asciilifeform maybe not by the mausoleum lol but ~in~ moscow, and in places where trains go.
12:01 mircea_popescu same exact situation in frisco.
12:01 asciilifeform not afaik.
12:01 mircea_popescu 2-300k will buy you flat "in san francisco, where trains go"
12:01 asciilifeform i dun think 300 buys a doghouse there, within 3 hrs of anywhere.
12:01 mircea_popescu yes, but your thinking is in the vein of free image association.
12:01 asciilifeform but asciilifeform's research is several yrs old, the last time he turned down various 'come to sf' nonsense
12:02 asciilifeform i'ma let phf answer whether i hallucinated re moscow.
12:03 mircea_popescu https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2122-Shelter-Creek-Ln-San-Bruno-CA-94066/15623598_zpid/ << point in case.
12:03 mircea_popescu !~google 490 sqft in human terms
12:03 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: A Guide to Square Footage w/ Real Life Examples - Platinum ...: <https://www.platinumpropertiesnyc.com/blog/guide-square-footage-w-real-life-examples>; Square Feet to Square Centimeters conversion: <http://www.metric-conversions.org/area/square-feet-to-square-centimeters.htm>; What Does 100 Square Feet Really Look Like? | Apartment Therapy: (1 more message)
12:03 mircea_popescu heh. so very artificial, this intelligence.
12:03 asciilifeform 'HOA 350/mo' lol!!
12:03 asciilifeform that ain't ownership
12:03 asciilifeform that's 'buy and hey you still gotta pay rent, idjit'
12:04 mircea_popescu im sorry, flats in moscow are free of condo encumberments ?
12:04 asciilifeform i dun think they yet invented this scam in orclandia
12:05 mircea_popescu of course they did. had it even during soviet times.
12:05 asciilifeform i'm starting to think that mircea_popescu's su-era ro was a very unlike beast from su per se
12:05 asciilifeform and moar like china or the like
12:05 mircea_popescu eh, ask your parents. they paid hoa in 1980.
12:05 asciilifeform they paid chickenshit.
12:06 asciilifeform ( and nonpayment resulted in 0 eviction, just nastygrams )
12:06 mircea_popescu resulted in place of employment being notified and you being pulled before the "Collective" for your "attitude".
12:06 mircea_popescu ~same shit.
12:07 mircea_popescu moreover, nastygrams in communism aren't what you think, chiefly because there's no other plantation and nobody is allowed to own savings or live off them. just like in us.
12:08 mircea_popescu which is how and wherefore all these doods keep shitting their pants, "o noes, mother is upset with me!!1"
12:08 asciilifeform still phakt, nobody removed from flat other than for cemetery or prison term.
12:09 mircea_popescu prison term easy to come by.
12:09 asciilifeform not so much after mustache man died
12:12 asciilifeform coincidentally did anybody ever translate http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709440 piece ?
12:12 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 22:51 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/am-mai-contribuit-si-noi-la-cite-ceva-n-lume/ << a fine example.
12:12 mircea_popescu original is linked, and in english.
12:13 asciilifeform oh hm
12:13 * asciilifeform looks
12:13 shinohai It appears if I ever want to learn Romanian, I'm just gonna have to find a girl to come live here about a year or so for immersion purposes.
12:14 asciilifeform shinohai: could learn from b00kz , the hard way
12:14 shinohai Sure, but shinohai learns languages faster when females are involved for some odd reason :)
12:15 asciilifeform and i'm sure he digs trench faster with excavator than with rusty sapper's spade under fire also.
12:16 shinohai Nothing quite like having girl curse at you in foreign language whilst throwing dishes. It just sticks!
12:16 * shinohai pages mats for rusty sapper's spade
12:18 mircea_popescu anyway. the reason "chickenshit" and nobody cared about paying hoa in 1980 was that there wasn't anything whatsoever to do with the "money" anyway. much like in the us.
12:19 mircea_popescu that's also how i was getting 20s whenever i felt like and so on. worthless govt paper.
12:24 asciilifeform unrelatedly mircea_popescu , doyathink http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709607 link belongs in your rsa draft article ?
12:24 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 23:39 mircea_popescu: right.
12:25 asciilifeform could call 'monte carlo rsa sig'
12:26 mircea_popescu possibly.
12:28 mircea_popescu a good tmsr-rsa signature write-up can't possibly hurt.
12:28 * mircea_popescu is entirely unconvinced how to write it as of yet.
12:30 asciilifeform i can expand yesterday's item for the l0gz, might help
12:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform consider something like : 1. split item to sign into 512 byte blocks. create block 0 from rng. sign hash(block 0), hash(block 1 + hash(block 0)), hash(block 2 + hash(block 1 + hash(block 0))), and so following.
12:31 asciilifeform say yer max rsasig payload is R bytes. ( R < key/8 , because padding scheme, exactly how is not necessary to say here yet )
12:31 asciilifeform say yer signing a payload, P bytes, P > R .
12:31 asciilifeform P could be a MB, TB, whichever.
12:32 asciilifeform P is now cut into N parcels, R bytes each, last one nullpadded
12:33 asciilifeform now you fire up yer fuckgoat and get a blumblumshub seed, S, S <= R.
12:34 asciilifeform it will be treated as parcel 0 ( what this does, will become apparent later )
12:35 mircea_popescu hehe.
12:35 asciilifeform now you feed S to blumblumshub prng, and generate your soliton distribution. this consists of a series of lists, each of the form {Qa, Qb, ... Qc} where Q_ are indices of the parcels
12:35 asciilifeform and arity of each list L is given by soliton dist. likewise
12:36 asciilifeform now we prepend each L with the seed S
12:36 asciilifeform and compute S xor Qa xor .... on each L
12:37 asciilifeform we prepend the indices of the packets that went into each xor, and sign the result.
12:37 asciilifeform the resulting signature is this list of signed solitonizations ( the S can be computed independently , given the original payload P; or can be packaged with the thing for convenience )
12:38 asciilifeform the longer the sig -- the more bulletproof, computably ( exercise for reader ! )
12:38 asciilifeform to verify, delubyize the lists L0....Ln and verify the rsa sig on each.
12:38 asciilifeform bonus is that you can transmit them in any order.
12:39 asciilifeform also error-tolerant, by virtue of lubyism, you can afford to lose a few packets, how many depends on what you have left over.
12:39 asciilifeform that there's it, i think.
12:39 asciilifeform notice, no hashing.
12:39 mircea_popescu see, "any order" is not advantage because you have the original document to provide order ; and the "lose a few" works for enemy here, helps to fake sigs
12:40 mircea_popescu but yes, no hashing. 8x the signing though
12:41 asciilifeform well you can't control the order of transmission, enemy can rearrange the packets. but it doesn't help him any.
12:41 mircea_popescu moreover, the relevant "hashing" is when you can have signature shorter than document. neither scheme contemplates that.
12:42 mircea_popescu so i'd propose it's not properly speaking hashing in that sense, to take 512 byte blocks and spit out 512 byte blocks.
12:42 mircea_popescu there's no rule you must have collisions in this kind of hash function.
12:42 asciilifeform interestingly we don't have any hash function designed from outset to guarantee 0collision 1:1 operation.
12:43 mircea_popescu (if one's absolutely crazy can declare the function from 511 to 512 bytes, and then split all the packages into 511 byte blocks and hurr.)
12:43 asciilifeform on equal-to-output-length inputs.
12:43 mircea_popescu i just did one above.
12:44 mircea_popescu anyway. proper tmsr-rsa-signing is still in need of some chewing.
12:44 mircea_popescu one major point is that other than mpfhf which has been well implemented thanks to peterl, sina and ben_vulpes (and to some degree researched -- speaking of which, still cooking ben_vulpes ?), there's keccak which HASNT yet been implemented much ; and we really could use a fixed-block hash function that's any good.
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12:45 asciilifeform in particular, to work out what the minimal ( with engineering margin, a la miller-rabin ) number of lubypackets would be.
12:45 * asciilifeform not yet attempted to work it out
12:45 mircea_popescu algorithmic hash function is nice ; accordeoning hash function is nice ; anisotropic hash function would be nice to have.
12:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's an ada keccak published decade ago that was not, at first glance, defective in any obvious way, and is a few pgs. but asciilifeform has not yet formally audited.
12:46 mircea_popescu or how would you call "guaranteed bijective hash function" if not anisotropic
12:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform link ?
12:46 asciilifeform !#s ada keccak
12:46 a111 1 result for "ada keccak", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ada%20keccak
12:46 asciilifeform hmm
12:46 mircea_popescu for one thing, you'd prolly want to run it on the ffa anyway
12:47 asciilifeform could've sworn it was in the l0gz
12:50 asciilifeform iirc was by one daniel king.
12:51 asciilifeform holyshit the original keccak www is gone
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12:51 asciilifeform replaced with some horrorshow
12:51 asciilifeform ada code -- gone
12:52 asciilifeform fortunately still on my hdd
12:52 asciilifeform check this out, keccak.noekeon.org now forwards to buncha tards
12:52 asciilifeform https://archive.is/GkmgU < original
12:54 shinohai Notice that happened after nist.gov declared their spec
12:56 asciilifeform shinohai: not immediately , iirc was still intact last yr
12:57 asciilifeform incidentally shinohai keccak != usg.sha3
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12:57 asciilifeform they adopted ~particular params~ of keccak as the new national whatever
12:57 asciilifeform orig is ~family~ of functions.
12:58 asciilifeform see also https://archive.is/lViVh << since 'unhappened' article
12:59 asciilifeform ' The SHA-3 version of Keccak being proposed appears to provide essentially the same level of security guarantees as SHA-2, its predecessor. If we are going to develop a next generation hash, there certainly should be standardized versions that provide a higher security level than the older hash functions! NIST, in the original call for submissions, specifically asked for four versions in each submission, with at least two that would
12:59 asciilifeform be stronger than what was currently available, so it’s hard to understand this post-competition weakening.'
12:59 asciilifeform didjaknow.
13:00 asciilifeform notice how 'everyone' nao thinks 'oh, keccak? that's called sha3 nao'
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13:17 asciilifeform in other noose, the kanzure d00d works and works to transcribe audio for prb 'conferences', e.g. http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/schnorr-signatures , for apparently years nao.
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13:17 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E0E6D172017667AE0B2FAD15F8F69D1C024C632C6FB20025EC9493489817F8D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1391...9423 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.6.197 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.6.197 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-6-197.ghst.net. FR)
13:17 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E0E6D172017667AE0B2FAD15F8F69D1C024C632C6FB20025EC9493489817F8D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...7153 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.6.197 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.6.197 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-6-197.ghst.net. FR)
13:17 asciilifeform ( really enjoys dataentry work, apparently. so long as it happens for clitler )
13:19 shinohai Maybe he'll use that BTC mp gave him to buy a pantsuit with.
13:19 asciilifeform ( re schnorr -- see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621306 thread )
13:19 a111 Logged on 2017-03-02 21:10 asciilifeform: oooh hey hey hey lbj. i finally found out why prb folx like schnorr.
13:19 asciilifeform shinohai: d00d dun need money, he has ~infinite printola budget from handler
13:20 asciilifeform high-end judas goat.
13:22 asciilifeform isn't even shy re regularly visiting, e.g., zurich, to confer with prb 'devs'
13:23 asciilifeform betcha the man wears 'gott mit uns' belt buckle, he does.
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13:23 shinohai LOL
13:24 kanzure asciilifeform: i implemented a speech recognition system (tensorflow + keras + CTC loss scoring)
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13:24 asciilifeform my current impression is that d00d's duties were not originally connected to antibitcoin detail, but to keeping 'biohackers' and other DIY types well-surveilled by fbi , dhs
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13:24 kanzure asciilifeform: based on this technique http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/baidu-deep-learning-for-speech-recognition/
13:24 asciilifeform kanzure: put in catalogue ?
13:25 asciilifeform or already sold to nsa, nm ( speechtronics -- great biznis to be in for infinite usgolade . )
13:25 kanzure trained it on 80k hours of audio books. admittedly, 'machine learning' is 98% cargo cult bullshit.
13:26 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/speech-recognition/
13:26 * asciilifeform believes
13:27 kanzure anyway the most recent output was http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-2017-08-28-deep-dive-bitcoin-core-v0.15/
13:28 asciilifeform i recommend to kanzure to study the postwar memoirs of heisenberg. he managed to stay off the nuremberg bench by arguing 'none of my shit worked, really', maybe you can too.
13:28 kanzure "it was all fan fiction"
13:33 shinohai I'll just wait for the wikileaks, tyvm
13:34 kanzure see "fanfic" https://bitcoincore.org/logs/2016-05-zurich-meeting-notes.html
13:34 shinohai !~tyvm
13:34 jhvh1 shinohai: Error: "tyvm" is not a valid command.
13:34 shinohai !~ty
13:34 jhvh1 You are very welcome Daddy
13:35 asciilifeform in all fairness this is much classier than the last 2 nsa резидент we had. we're moving up, folx!11!
13:41 asciilifeform but largely unrelatedly : BingoBoingo ( qntra fodder ? ) , mircea_popescu : https://archive.is/E5Fyk << recent lulz re the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709834 folx
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13:41 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 13:25 mircea_popescu: (that being the idea here, the shit-piss-licker center isn't suing about "is it ok for a meg ryan wanna-be to try and defraud an old woman into giving her all the moneyz". it's suing about "is it ok for fraudster specializing in old women to be told off by the public if she's defrauding for the dnc!")
13:48 asciilifeform '"I've never known a US-based nonprofit dealing in human rights or social services to have any foreign bank accounts," said Amy Sterling Casil, CEO of Pacific Human Capital, a California-based nonprofit consulting firm. "My impression based on prior interactions is that they have a small, modestly paid staff, and were regarded by most in the industry as frugal and reliable. I am stunned to learn of transfers of millions to offshore b
13:48 asciilifeform ank accounts. It is a huge red flag and would have been completely unacceptable to any wealthy, responsible, experienced board member who was committed to a charitable mission who I ever worked with."'
13:48 asciilifeform predicted effect : 0
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13:50 asciilifeform 'Richard Cohen, president and chief executive officer of the SPLC, was given $346,218 in base compensation in 2015 ..... The SPLC, which claims to boast a staff of 75 lawyers who practice in the area of children's rights, economic justice, immigrant justice, LGBT rights, and criminal justice reform, reported spending only $61,000 on legal services in 2015. Following recent violence in Charlottesville, Va., the group raised a great de
13:50 asciilifeform al of money. Apple CEO Tim Cook told his employees that the company is donating $1 million to the SPLC and would match employee contributions two to one. Cook also placed an SPLC donation button in its iTunes store. The company is additionally providing a $1 million donation to the Anti-Defamation League.'
14:01 shinohai Meanwhile, I invited the alleged instagram haxor https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1133449 here for an interview and tips on how to keep a website up when "facebook is buying up all the doxagram tld's"
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14:02 asciilifeform shinohai: plox to summarize ?
14:02 asciilifeform my dosimeter's maxed for the week
14:03 shinohai tl;dr is instagram had a "bug" that reveled user emails and phone #'s, several celeb accounts are up for grabs, in addition to random nobodies.
14:05 asciilifeform shinohai: linked thread not readily distinguishable from rando sc4mz0r
14:10 shinohai Asi es ..... I din check out the tor www because, as you see in thread, he insists that one must "Enable javascript in tor browser for complete site functionality"
14:10 shinohai (tm)
14:11 asciilifeform lollomatic
14:12 shinohai I'm just curious to know if it is genuine item.
14:12 asciilifeform 'shards from The True Cross!11'
14:13 shinohai Act now, and we'll throw in a phree facial bone from the head of St. John the Baptist.
14:13 asciilifeform from skull of voltaire as a boy.
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15:27 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707890 <--> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708980 neato! olimex ppl are pretty close to me (bg), so I ordered one myself, hopefully to be shipped by end of next week
15:27 a111 Logged on 2017-08-31 22:23 asciilifeform: since we're on subj, asciilifeform got the recently released ice40-8k (largest in the series) going. ( there's only 1 decent dev board for the 8k, the one released by olimex ~2wks ago )
15:27 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 15:38 asciilifeform: in very very other noose : the vendor's vga and ps/2 kbd demo verilog for ice40 builds and WORX
15:28 asciilifeform spyked: neato
15:28 * spyked has had a spike in spendings on hardware in the last ~3 weeks, but couldn't be helped
15:28 asciilifeform spyked: you'll also want something to use as a programmator
15:28 asciilifeform ( can use their olimexduino thing + 10pin cable, or if you have a similar already )
15:29 asciilifeform olimex's ice board dun have a built-in programmator.
15:29 asciilifeform ( see their docs. )
15:29 spyked lessee. what do they use? JTAG?
15:30 asciilifeform there are jtag pins but they are unpopulated, and you'll have to tweezer a resistor off to get the thing to use the ice's internal eeprom instead of the external 2Mb spi rom, if you want to use those
15:31 asciilifeform otherwise you need something that can write to the spi rom, via the given header
15:31 asciilifeform ( 'buspirate', or whateverthehellduino with olimex's supplied proggy, and a few others, will work )
15:32 asciilifeform spyked: https://www.olimex.com/wiki/ICE40HX1K-EVB#Get_started_under_Linux << their doc
15:32 asciilifeform ( scroll up for pinout of the prog connector )
15:32 asciilifeform pgm1
15:36 spyked ty asciilifeform! I have an arduino board somewhere, will try to get that working.
15:37 asciilifeform np spyked
15:37 asciilifeform the tricky bit is the toolchain .
15:39 spyked hm. why? problems getting it compiled and running? (the linux guide looks straightforward)
15:40 asciilifeform try it and see.
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15:40 phf asciilifeform: i don't really understand fpga peripherals architecture very well, but you think you could eyeball compare what's available in ice to pipistrello. (i'm curious where there's a limitation as far as porting cadr) http://pipistrello.saanlima.com/index.php?title=Welcome_to_Pipistrello#Pipistrello_Rev_2.0_Hardware_Description
15:40 asciilifeform phf: that looks like a xilinx
15:40 asciilifeform you can get ANYTHING you want on a xilinx board, phf
15:40 asciilifeform i have multi-$k ones here
15:41 asciilifeform the problem is that it's xilinx.
15:41 phf i'm more asking what's missing from ice in comparison. flash memory, dram? etc.
15:42 asciilifeform where , you know, you gotta devote an entire comp to running a 20GB closed warez, and it does ?????.
15:42 asciilifeform phf: let's start with the gate count
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15:42 asciilifeform biggest ice part is the ICE40HX8K
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15:42 asciilifeform 7680 LUTs.
15:43 asciilifeform roughly same as 100 of the xl9572 used in FUCKGOATS.
15:43 asciilifeform but smaller than all but the smallest xilinx 'spartan' parts.
15:44 asciilifeform then we proceed to the dev boards. nobody makes an ice dev board with dram on it; or with flash other than the config rom; or with sram bigger than 512k. currently.
15:44 asciilifeform because the part is considered 'too small'
15:45 asciilifeform folx who are willing to use lattice's closed shitdevchain buy the larger parts, where the dev boards are comparable to xilinx.
15:45 phf right, so ice is basically just the fpga with minimum amount of breadboarding, if we want to pipistrello gottta design our own
15:45 asciilifeform correct.
15:46 asciilifeform hence http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707941 .
15:46 a111 Logged on 2017-08-31 22:44 asciilifeform: phf et al : to briefly continue http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707895 -- picture an a4-sized plinth, of, e.g., 32 dimm slots. each can contain a card of sram, or alternatively of 4 ice40-8k's, or some peripheral ( e.g. nic magnetics. )
15:46 asciilifeform ( see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701866 . )
15:46 a111 Logged on 2017-08-22 12:25 asciilifeform: but lattice per se is EXACTLY like xilinx, same profit model, closed arch, license 'ip cores'. their larger flagship fpga is exactly like xilinx 'spartan', full of proprietary peripherals, and that's the one that tends to get packaged into devboards with nic etc
15:47 phf so i see
15:47 asciilifeform phf: to be fair, the olimex boards have an expansion plug. but you can't put , e.g., dram, on there, toomuch capacitance.
15:47 asciilifeform will work ok for, e.g., sd card, or breadboard.
15:48 asciilifeform up to perhaps 10MHz
15:49 asciilifeform phf: first thing i'd put on ab-initio ice board is... moar ices.
15:49 asciilifeform let's say 32 of'em.
15:50 asciilifeform ( connect as a hypercube, or on a crossbar, or whichever. )
15:51 asciilifeform ( though i currently suspect that something in the spirit of scheme-79 could fit in no more than 2 -- 1 for the alu and 1 for memory control/gc )
15:52 phf this is beyond me at this point. i'm mostly trying to understand various initricasies of cadr fpga-ing, i'll revisit this thread later
15:53 asciilifeform phf: if you're content to test parker's cadr, your existing xilinx board oughta do the job
15:54 asciilifeform ( though last i saw it was a straight conversion from the ttl schematic, and not especially compact, might need one of the larger chips )
15:54 phf right, it already does (board above). i was curious if there's a porting out strategy, but your answer explained the situation
15:54 asciilifeform phf: out of curiosity, what was the LUT % utilization when you built ?
15:54 asciilifeform ( xilinx toolchain shits out this figure in the report )
15:55 phf i didn't notice it, but i'll look next time i build
15:55 asciilifeform you can use this to estimate whether the thing will fit in particular pld
15:56 asciilifeform FG for instance used 71 out of 72
15:57 asciilifeform ( this is a rough measure, because not all LUTs are created equal, naturally, xilinx has somewhat different ones in the cpld series vs 'spartans', and lattice has yet different, and altera -- yet different, etc )
15:57 asciilifeform for added excitement in life, each also has different routing fabric
15:58 asciilifeform large xilinx chips also have 'hard' periphs inside, e.g. multers, adders, shifters, various
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15:58 asciilifeform and these end up used to reduce pressure on the LUTs
15:58 asciilifeform ( and are the reason why xilinx has not been satisfactorily reversed a la ice, and not likely to be before going out of print )
15:58 asciilifeform i.e. they are nonhomogeneous.
15:58 asciilifeform 'ice' -- is homogeneous.
15:59 spyked also, synthesis of open source icestorm toolchain might be somewhat less efficient than closed source? (just a wild guess, maybe not)
15:59 asciilifeform ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707976 . )
15:59 a111 Logged on 2017-08-31 23:18 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in ic-pr0n, http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/bitdocs-8k << spiffy example of nonpdfized ( per earlier mircea_popescu thread ) hierarchical docs
15:59 asciilifeform spyked: it does not seem to be disastrously bad, surprisingly. but i have yet to try it with a large design. ( also helps that the chip is small, a truly elephantine circuit will never be entered )
16:02 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710087 <-- so far so good. building icestorm tools, pnr, verilog synthesis works after adding clang and other assorted crap. will work out the arduino part later.
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16:02 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 19:40 asciilifeform: try it and see.
16:02 asciilifeform re the archs -- lattice ice is analogous to children's toy 'lego' where you get 9,000 identical bricks; xilinx ( and altera, and the 'adult' lattice fpga on fancy dev boards ) are analogous to... i guess the 'erector' toy, where there are a certain number of fungible pieces, but also ~a~ motor, ~a~ heavy iron base, a quantity of gears, etc.
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16:03 asciilifeform spyked: aaaah see, i don't permit clang on my boxes
16:03 asciilifeform it is an evil and i will not work dependency on it into my conveyor.
16:03 asciilifeform bad enough that the thing seems to insist on python3.
16:03 spyked no idea why they need clang. but I see your point
16:03 asciilifeform ( this is at least theoretically fixable )
16:04 asciilifeform spyked: anyway if you search the log you can see how to make it build on gcc.
16:04 phf i'd say it's more like 80s lego and modern lego (if you haven't seen, now it's all >50% custom per-toy parts, that can be snapped to a traditional lego coupling, but otherwise non-universal)
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16:04 asciilifeform aah yes phf
16:04 * asciilifeform saw this
16:05 spyked anyway, don't see why toolchain would need github deps. can fork and sanitize
16:05 asciilifeform lego toy got 'xilinxized' in early 2000s
16:05 asciilifeform spyked: that's the plan.
16:05 asciilifeform spyked: once satisfied that the thing can support adult work.
16:06 asciilifeform ( eventually the synthesis must run on ITSELF )
16:06 asciilifeform THEN can throw out pc.
16:06 asciilifeform and not before.
16:06 spyked aha! so gotta lispify the toolchain. this sounds like a nice project
16:07 phf right, that's the first thought when you have your cadr up. "oh wait, i need to go fuck around with xilinx tooling to make any kind of changes here)
16:08 asciilifeform ideally box will write own config rom. ( have a bank of'em , with mechanical selector, for when you make mistake )
16:09 asciilifeform sorta like bios on certain high end pc mobos.
16:09 phf exactly
16:09 asciilifeform i had a xilinx board (shaped like pc mobo, with pci even ) that had this feature
16:09 asciilifeform would load config from a cf card, and little round knob for setting which of 8 .bit files it'd use on boot
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17:16 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710002 << heh. teh conincidentals.
17:16 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 16:51 asciilifeform: holyshit the original keccak www is gone
17:18 mircea_popescu Guido Bertoni, Joan Daemen, Michaël Peeters, Gilles Van Assche and Ronny Van Keer << might as well dump the list of bernsteins that'll have to explain themselves.
17:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710018 << hey, it's easy and non-threatening and gives the outward impression of doing work. what'd you have him do.
17:20 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 17:17 asciilifeform: in other noose, the kanzure d00d works and works to transcribe audio for prb 'conferences', e.g. http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/schnorr-signatures , for apparently years nao.
17:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710028 << kek what's with you and amateur directed-physchognomism anyways ?
17:21 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 17:23 asciilifeform: betcha the man wears 'gott mit uns' belt buckle, he does.
17:22 asciilifeform some folx are open an' shut cases, wat.
17:22 mircea_popescu or however you'd spell a portmanteau of psychology and physiognomy.
17:22 asciilifeform telephrenology lol
17:22 mircea_popescu similar science!
17:23 mircea_popescu you realise you'd prolly hang all my whores for "hanging out with enemy, AND wrong garterbelt buckles" if you had to manage the thing ?
17:23 mircea_popescu speaking of which, did i ever recount my sad encounter with another man's electronics lab, as a 6 yo ?
17:23 asciilifeform whore dun go around presenting selves as independent operators who 'spent 27 million, you maggot!' etc
17:24 asciilifeform lolno do tell
17:24 mircea_popescu so i was about six, and a bright young adorable kid with blond curls that proposed to my parents' friends' wives. marriage i mean. and even bit one.
17:24 mircea_popescu and this guy who was an amateur electronist died, and he actually LEFT me his lab! which included all sorts of things, glassware from pre war and such.
17:26 mircea_popescu now at the time we are writing about, "electronics hobbist lab lightbulb" meant a fixed, all-identical, standardized thing. gost like. every kid in school could recognize the item, "this is lightbulb". same for 4.5V 3-cell-in-paper battery and so on. identical, you understand ? (and same for all girls underweasr and all people's flats and furniture in them and so on)
17:26 asciilifeform oohyeah
17:26 mircea_popescu now this man... he had a set of 9V lightbulbs. and so as any good respectable citizen i sat down with the dead man's dragon pile, to TEST everythiung I got. yes ?
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17:26 * asciilifeform can feel the bulb in his fingers even nao
17:27 mircea_popescu now the lightbulbs, connected to the standard battery, did not light up. but only ever slightly orange in the filament.
17:27 mircea_popescu so i threw it away. and piucked another one. same thing. so i scream-ask my mom, across the flat, "mom, is a lightbulb that doesn't not light up thereby no good ?" "yes" she says, evidently using a different standard of "not light up" than mine.
17:27 mircea_popescu i threw them all away.
17:27 asciilifeform aw
17:27 mircea_popescu and only realised the problem after the garbage had been taken out.
17:28 mircea_popescu i was very sad.
17:28 mircea_popescu mind you don't end up as sad as me at six as an adult. it goes away a lot faster at that age.
17:28 asciilifeform i have a similar story, but from adulthood and with severl $k of parts that 'hey these all defective, thefuq' and at the end an overvolted ps that had nuked'em all one by one by one..
17:29 mircea_popescu heh
17:29 mircea_popescu so you have something else to blame huh. i don't!
17:29 asciilifeform sounds like we both had same item to blame, lol
17:29 asciilifeform 'the poor dancer is hindered by own balls' or how it was.
17:30 mircea_popescu no, i just concluded i was inept at standardization and speech generally.
17:31 mircea_popescu possibly the event that made it impossible for me to be seriously racist in the usual sense.
17:32 asciilifeform taken to the extreme, tho, this train would go to 'can't hang nobody at all, what if Great Artist Dies Inside'im'
17:33 mircea_popescu orange.
17:33 asciilifeform hm?
17:33 mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> now the lightbulbs, connected to the standard battery, did not light up. but only ever slightly orange in the filament.
17:33 asciilifeform aa
17:34 asciilifeform btw mircea_popescu would be delighted to learn that 'modern' envirotronic led bulbs typically never properly die, they just grow moar flickery and... orange, if you will
17:34 mircea_popescu i know lol.
17:34 asciilifeform but remain usable, with headache, possibly 4evah
17:34 asciilifeform megapr0gr3ss.
17:34 mircea_popescu btw, you won't believe this, but for being the only house with incandescents on this mother-of-biodiversity hill i get like half the moths and consequently a third of the birds.
17:35 mircea_popescu apparently, they very much can tell.
17:35 asciilifeform they luvvv their blackbody
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17:35 asciilifeform and i suspect also -- can SEE the flicker from the electronic horrors
17:35 mircea_popescu i suspect they can see the flicker, yes.
17:35 asciilifeform just as asciilifeform can.
17:35 asciilifeform if i can, moth with mm instead of cm nerve runs, surely can.
17:36 mircea_popescu exactly. that was the logic.
17:36 mircea_popescu "they prolly run up to the mhz"
17:36 asciilifeform spectrum's all wrong, too, led is closer to ye olde crt tv than to blackbody
17:36 mircea_popescu did i ever recount my theory as to WHY they seek the lights ?
17:37 asciilifeform dun think so
17:37 mircea_popescu my theory, which is mine, i will now recount it.
17:37 mircea_popescu this is my theory, which i name it my theory because i came up with it.
17:37 mircea_popescu the next thing i say will be my theory :
17:37 asciilifeform i always thought it was to find the sun, which is how you find your way out of localminima^H^H^H^Henclosed spaces withnofood , in nature
17:37 kanzure asciilifeform: how fast can you run an inkjet valve, you foresee any problem with 1 MHz?
17:38 kanzure other than overheating
17:38 asciilifeform kanzure: if it's veeery small, use a saw resonator, there's your valve, 100Mhz easy
17:38 mircea_popescu imagine there's a bunch of bugs spawned over an acre. to perpetuate, they must mate. how shall they encounter each other ? "wut if we used this waste light and have them all seek it ?" said engineer in charge of moth one day ? "they'll necessarily converge before they reach the moon".
17:38 asciilifeform ( what kanzure intends to throttle with the valve, surely has surface tension, and 100MHz prolly won't happen. unless it's liquid he or wat. )
17:38 mircea_popescu he wants to stuff plasmids in cells.
17:39 kanzure i don't need 100 MHz just >100 KHz, like 1 MHz
17:39 asciilifeform i only ever did this by poration and soak'em
17:39 mircea_popescu he wants to do it 1kx faster.
17:39 asciilifeform kanzure: yer fluid conducts or no ?
17:40 kanzure acetonitrile, tetrazole, ammonia, 3-methoxypropionitrile, 2-methyl glutaronitrile, etc.
17:40 mircea_popescu "anything you want ; not conducive if you don't want it to"
17:41 asciilifeform make it conduct. then form the droplets magnetohydrodynamically.
17:41 asciilifeform no valves. 'best machine is no machine' (altschuller)
17:41 mircea_popescu here's the bitch : conducive is corrosive for this application.
17:41 asciilifeform if you can statically charge, just as good.
17:42 mircea_popescu afaik that's how it's done in srslabs.
17:42 mircea_popescu large magnetatrons, and powerful staticatrizers.
17:42 mircea_popescu problem with this sorta gear is that it costs a billion.
17:42 kanzure is this the highest of the high performance inkjet? http://global.kyocera.com/news/2012/0306_niku.html it's only like 40 kHz * 2600 nozzles
17:42 mircea_popescu and a good chunk thereby in not-avoidable expenditure
17:42 asciilifeform naaah the mass spec i lived next to was only 500k or so
17:43 asciilifeform if you're using something less viscous than ink, can use different mechanism, kanzure
17:43 mircea_popescu kanzure your discussion maps on the inkjet vs bubblejet historical approach to printing.
17:44 kanzure "bubble jet" seems to be canon trade name for inkjet
17:44 asciilifeform also must point out, there are other ways to make droplets. for instance, perfume atomizer will give wide spectrum of droplet sizes, and you can 'massspec' out the desired size.
17:44 asciilifeform ( the rest fall into trough, recycled )
17:45 mircea_popescu kanzure at some point someone came up with "charge the droplets, move elctrostatically, send them out with a quarz pump"
17:45 asciilifeform if your fluid's triple point is close to room temp, can do exotic, e.g. vapourize it and condence on a cold pin point
17:45 asciilifeform *condense
17:46 mircea_popescu ooo yeah that's an idea!
17:46 asciilifeform i could go on, on...
17:46 asciilifeform and so far i only listed methods from su state of the art, 1980s.
17:47 shinohai In Soviet Russia, fluid vaporizes YOU
17:47 asciilifeform if yer fluid is reasonably nonexplosive ( let's assume we're working in ordinary earth atmosphere, near stp ) can also cavitate
17:47 asciilifeform and catch droplets resulting.
17:47 kanzure much of the inkjet "literature" seems to be patents today. was injet peak hype in 80s?
17:48 asciilifeform it's hobbled by presuming working with... ink. i'ma guess that kanzure ain't pumping ink.
17:48 kanzure phosphoramidites and acetonitrile and tetrazole
17:48 kanzure http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/
17:48 mircea_popescu pogo ?!
17:49 kanzure i don't know man
17:49 mircea_popescu only so many 4 letter combos, eventually hashcrash
17:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wouldja believe, it was also this toy with a sprint to jump on...
17:49 asciilifeform *spring
17:50 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/synthesis/notes/
17:50 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710030 << does this actually work ?
17:50 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 17:24 kanzure: asciilifeform: i implemented a speech recognition system (tensorflow + keras + CTC loss scoring)
17:50 kanzure depends on what you mean by work! it has like a 10-15% word error rate...
17:50 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/train_log.excerpt.txt
17:51 kanzure i built out a voip demo for business conference call transcription
17:51 kanzure wardials into random conferences and emails the participants the text at end of meeting
17:51 mircea_popescu sooo... can you put it up on a bot so i say !devoice http:youtube and it returns a pasted text ?
17:52 kanzure depends on how much you care about quality; btw youtube already has captioning thing have you tried that?
17:53 mircea_popescu will try it once youtube gets a key and makes a bot.
17:53 mircea_popescu not before.
17:53 mircea_popescu there's 0 willingness to import empire bullshit into the workflow. they must be raped, even if they'd be willing.
17:53 kanzure raping for peace. got it.
17:53 mircea_popescu certainly not for peace.
17:54 mircea_popescu raping is always for education.
17:54 asciilifeform 'Buttons representing each of the 27 slide positions occupy most of the space on this panel. Clicking on a button will open the slide editor. ' << cringe. even here, guiolade
17:54 asciilifeform waiwaiwai amateur folx, writing vb guilade.
17:54 asciilifeform you built roboprinter, great, drive it from shell like normalpeople
17:54 kanzure oh i should have warned you about that, sorry
17:54 kanzure it's academia tho so you should not have had high expectations
17:54 * asciilifeform esp. allergic, he spent year+ reversing idjit tecan closedolade
17:55 mircea_popescu lol are you going to end up with people doing spoilers for you alfie ?
17:55 kanzure so did jcline. he put reversed tecan bullshit on cpan. http://search.cpan.org/dist/Robotics/lib/Robotics/Tecan.pm
17:55 asciilifeform hopefully not, i like surprises
17:55 asciilifeform kanzure: i saw it, it's missing most of the protocol
17:56 kanzure proto-col? what's this.
17:56 kanzure surely you're happy enough with opentrons
17:56 asciilifeform btw seekrit : 100% of tecan internals are rebranded 'cavro', if you get a hold of the orig. documents from the latter, you have ~all of it.
17:57 asciilifeform the hydraulics ain't even rebranded, pop the cover and there it is, cavro.
17:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710031 << at a certain level of individuation, people are actually flattered, "oh, gestapo wrote our name on a napkin! THIS IS A FORM OF EXISTENCE!"
17:59 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 17:24 asciilifeform: my current impression is that d00d's duties were not originally connected to antibitcoin detail, but to keeping 'biohackers' and other DIY types well-surveilled by fbi , dhs
17:59 kanzure that's disappointing
18:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall the thread with the typewriter ribbons ?
18:00 mircea_popescu vaguely. which ?
18:02 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-12#1098770 << possibly here
18:02 a111 Logged on 2015-04-12 19:18 mircea_popescu: does this not suggest that the ACTUAL REASON adults "had to" register their typewriters was because they wanted to have to ?
18:02 mircea_popescu ah that. wasn't re ribbons, but re the actual letters.
18:02 asciilifeform aahyeah
18:03 mircea_popescu something in the vein of the celebrated http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705262
18:03 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 19:08 mircea_popescu: the captured male how to behave so it doesn't rub wrongly. Example suffices, he will perhaps protest but certainly learn and definitely change to fit the limit on his penis. It's not like he's not very eager to alter his behaviour so he can maintain that sweet, sweet delicious cage for longer, for as long as possible, forever. Whatever he may say, it's all window-dressing for that simple, fundamental fact -- he's happier neu
18:04 mircea_popescu kanzure : have you put http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710031 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686026 together ? cuz you're such a fine example of it, and also the first good one since the statement. are you thinking "oh, what he is talking of -- i am not" ? does it mean "i am not aware i am ?"
18:04 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 17:24 asciilifeform: my current impression is that d00d's duties were not originally connected to antibitcoin detail, but to keeping 'biohackers' and other DIY types well-surveilled by fbi , dhs
18:04 a111 Logged on 2017-07-18 18:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand this bit of GT : the knowledge of all the things you don't know thereby constructs a sybil of you.
18:05 mircea_popescu identity is such a little bitch. almost as much as money.
18:06 asciilifeform incidentally being kgb imho is not an absolute bar to furthering the aims of republic, so long as actually further'em rather than lounge ( like, e.g., decimation, the last rezident ), see also vonnegut's http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-16#1325347 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-16#1325348 remark
18:06 a111 Logged on 2015-11-16 21:01 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: 'I didn't know that,' I said. 'No one knows everything,' he said. 'Did you know,' he said, 'that until almost this very moment nothing would have delighted me more than to prove that you were a spy, to see you shot?' 'No,' I said. 'And do you know why I don't care now if you were a spy or not?' he said. 'You could tell me now that you were a spy, and we would go on talking calmly, just as we're talking now. I
18:06 a111 Logged on 2015-11-16 21:01 ascii_field: would let you wander off to wherever spies go when a war is over. You know why?' he said. 'No,' I said. 'Because you could never have served the enemy as well as you served us,' he said. 'I realized that almost all the ideas that I hold now, that make me unashamed of anything I may have felt or done as a Nazi, came not from Hitler, not from Goebbels, not from Himmler — but from you.' He took my hand. 'You alone kept m
18:07 mircea_popescu allow me to offer you a traditional "you guise are fulla shit" alfie.
18:09 asciilifeform regardless, kanzure , why is it necessary for the droplets to fly through the air onto the target? why not let'em diffuse through a sheet of mylar through small hole burned by laser, say
18:09 asciilifeform layerwise.
18:10 mircea_popescu can have mylar weaved with the pores, for not so much money.
18:10 kanzure throughput is most important aspect of the setup; air is not important.
18:10 asciilifeform also POSaM (linked device design) is a little antiquated, yes '04 but fpga already existed, why require megabux pci i/o card
18:10 kanzure because they are biologists and don't understand technology
18:10 asciilifeform fair'nuff
18:11 mircea_popescu yep he is correct, in the negative sense. "they do not understand what are the REAL limits imposed on them, so they just go along social lines".
18:11 asciilifeform also seems like ideal design would be something quite like colour laserprinter, with N drums, 1 per reagent
18:11 asciilifeform adhere electrostatically ( drum of selenium, charges optically in wanted regions )
18:11 kanzure need really really high throughput, i am 3 minutes away from proposing inkjet with 1 billion valves
18:11 asciilifeform why billion valve
18:11 asciilifeform how many reagents , 4 ?
18:12 kanzure ~12
18:12 mircea_popescu ideally you get something denser than trad printer. if you manage 2-3k dpi (with a tractor!) then you can just prepare your receiver on an endless sheet of paper (process upstream) and just print and print and print. constantly. sort-of how the correct re-asphalt road crew works.
18:12 kanzure ~12 includes cleaning reagents and stuff
18:12 mircea_popescu kanzure the solution is above, over time. no cleaning. just roll the sheet .
18:13 kanzure also need to do multi-pass over same spots btw, about 100 * (steps per base pair addition), where 100 is number of bp or nucleotides (nt)
18:13 mircea_popescu why need to multipass ? (can have multipe printers).
18:13 asciilifeform so you have closed loop of substrate going through 'printer', rather than sheet
18:13 asciilifeform moebius, even, if you like.
18:14 mircea_popescu think of a long sheet of substrate, with prepper and as many prinbter machines as passes needed downstream.
18:14 asciilifeform would work perfectly fine with 1
18:14 mircea_popescu you could in principle do 1m/s which could be worth 10k or so per line at 10k or so lines per meter ie 100mn each second.
18:14 kanzure ok. so 1 billion valves * n=100 printheads where n was used for total dna molecule length
18:14 mircea_popescu kanzure do not scale the printing head ; scale the printed matter.
18:14 mircea_popescu cheaper to get a billion that way.
18:14 asciilifeform charged drum would give same effect as billion printheads
18:15 asciilifeform (consider res of even cheap laser treekiller )
18:15 kanzure for charged drum i would have to pretend to know material science things
18:15 asciilifeform nah long ago mature tech
18:15 mircea_popescu and meanwhile in #eulora lulz : <kisspunch> i don't know what the shit any of this is <mircea_popescu> yeah, there's A LOT you don't know. <kisspunch> mircea_popescu: fuck you and your ecosystem
18:15 asciilifeform just gotta find a drum coating that won't dissolve in acetonitrile etc
18:15 mircea_popescu ceramix.
18:15 mircea_popescu evidently.
18:16 asciilifeform still cheaper than 1bil of individually addressable physical objects...
18:16 asciilifeform though incidentally might be interesting to use a decapped sram as a 'printhead'
18:16 mircea_popescu yep.
18:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710048 << of course it's as corrupt as it gets, what. but you have a point, should prolly be a qnta.
18:17 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 17:41 asciilifeform: but largely unrelatedly : BingoBoingo ( qntra fodder ? ) , mircea_popescu : https://archive.is/E5Fyk << recent lulz re the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709834 folx
18:18 mircea_popescu it's basically a sort of mini-mit, us equiv of "state assets corp of china", exact implementation of "putin has billions hidden away across the world" except for lizzards.
18:18 asciilifeform воровской общак
18:19 asciilifeform ^ handy tho not esp. translatable name for the arrangement
18:19 mircea_popescu the funniest thing to me is that this sad state of affairs gives them no pause. "what orcs ? WE ARE THE ORCS!"
18:20 mircea_popescu side beenfit of selecting for stupid. ftr, i know of no other nazism that actually put idiocy in the spec for aryanism.
18:20 asciilifeform britain.
18:20 asciilifeform ( as described by ol' mr. o )
18:20 mircea_popescu notrly. how do you mean ?
18:20 mircea_popescu ol' mr. o was a by-the-book jealous faggot.
18:21 asciilifeform 'After all, they belonged to a class with a certain tradition, they had been to public schools where the duty of dying for your country, if necessary, is laid down as the first and greatest of the Commandments. They had to feel themselves true patriots, even while they plundered their countrymen. Clearly there was only one escape for them - into stupidity. They could keep society in its existing shape only by being unable to grasp th
18:21 asciilifeform at any improvement was possible. Difficult though this was, they achieved it, largely by fixing their eyes on the past and refusing to notice the changes that were going on round them.'
18:21 mircea_popescu "why that stupid and not me ? i'm fabulous ?" "yes, but you correctly evaluate yourself to be stupid ; and incorrectly evaluate what you don't understand about him to be similar-stupid, which it is not."
18:21 asciilifeform ( in 'lion & unicorn' )
18:21 mircea_popescu i do not buy his prancing.
18:21 asciilifeform lol, selling it for same price i bought it
18:22 mircea_popescu notice that britain sunk slowly while those "stupid" were in charge and utterly collapsed once o's own bretheren took over.
18:22 mircea_popescu because blair was correct about himself. yes, he was stupid.
18:22 asciilifeform they were in drivers seat for ww1, which nailed that world.
18:23 mircea_popescu actually, boar wars nailed it imo. well, not imo : caragiale says so, i believe.
18:23 BingoBoingo Oh, SLPC is lolz
18:23 mircea_popescu survived napoleon somehow, got wiped by a guy who literally believed earth is flat.
18:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710052 << quite not 0. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703771
18:24 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 17:48 asciilifeform: predicted effect : 0
18:24 a111 Logged on 2017-08-27 22:38 mircea_popescu: teh very respectable southern poverty law center. and i bet you bitcoin to donuts they didn't actually pay jack for it, either.
18:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710055 << cool.
18:25 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 18:01 shinohai: Meanwhile, I invited the alleged instagram haxor https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1133449 here for an interview and tips on how to keep a website up when "facebook is buying up all the doxagram tld's"
18:25 asciilifeform i meant effect of the reveal
18:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710137 << nice going eh! how's life now that living again ? :D
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18:31 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 20:02 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710087 <-- so far so good. building icestorm tools, pnr, verilog synthesis works after adding clang and other assorted crap. will work out the arduino part later.
18:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710146 << fwiw my 80s lego did include engine. and also various non-fungible parts such as engine blocks cut out with pistons visibly going in and out, and proper (and working) implementation of automotive steering couplings.
18:44 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 20:04 phf: i'd say it's more like 80s lego and modern lego (if you haven't seen, now it's all >50% custom per-toy parts, that can be snapped to a traditional lego coupling, but otherwise non-universal)
18:44 mircea_popescu and so on.
18:49 mircea_popescu in other lulz : http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-09-02.log.html#t19:34:56
18:49 lobbesbot Logged on 2017-09-02 19:34:56: <kisspunch> gcc 7.1.1 20170630 / ld 2.28.0.20170506 / FT-Jam 2.5.3
18:49 mircea_popescu they are up to gcc SEVEN ?!
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18:50 mircea_popescu everything in empire of stupid must end up like mozilla, version 500+ ?
18:53 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1481878 << would a sort of bibliography/encyclopedia be useful in the lordship's opinion? have entries for figures that come up often; luby, naggum, etc. obviously these are googleablelier than the dictionary entries, but might benefit from the trilema, # or no #, treatment...?
18:53 a111 Logged on 2016-06-14 01:33 mircea_popescu: ^ if anyone has suggestions...
18:56 * asciilifeform thinks it would
18:56 mircea_popescu pretty good idea yeah
19:04 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710383 <-- not bad at all! long way to go still, though. :)
19:04 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 22:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710137 << nice going eh! how's life now that living again ? :D
19:05 mircea_popescu hehe
19:11 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710390 <-- aha, "agile". let alone version numbers, the breaking changes they introduce from one version to another seems to grow exponentially. progress!
19:11 a111 Logged on 2017-09-02 22:49 mircea_popescu: they are up to gcc SEVEN ?!
19:12 mircea_popescu point in case : gcc broke the ints AGAIN http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-09-02.log.html#t20:21:50
19:12 lobbesbot Logged on 2017-09-02 20:21:50: <kisspunch> Same error, fuller logs: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wFttt/?raw=true
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19:44 kanzure "Male microchimerism in the human female brain" http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0045592
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20:09 shinohai I'm gonna freeze gcc version 4.9.4 on website soon as it seems to be only version thus far that will build tmsr related stuff for me without shitting the bed
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20:27 trinque shinohai: 4.9.2's in deedbot for trb deps btw
20:27 trinque I guess ada wants 4.9.4 though, was it?
20:28 shinohai Oh cool
20:29 shinohai 4.9.4 was what I had to use for Ada stuff, though I admit I'm not far down that path yet
20:29 trinque http://deedbot.org/deed-427443-5.txt << gcc-4.9.2.tar.bz2
20:40 mircea_popescu in other lulz http://worldofwonder.net/georgia-cop-tells-woman-not-worry-remember-kill-black-people/
20:43 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/09/report-shows-slpc-moving-funds-across-borders/ << Qntra - Report Shows SLPC Moving Funds Across Borders
20:47 shinohai "Anglin is accused of publicizing the existence of an organized campaign of harassment against his mother by a Pantsuit busybody" <<< gulden
20:47 BingoBoingo Sorry, corrected. It was Ricard Spencer's mother, not Anglin's
20:50 shinohai https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/paax7z/this-twitter-bot-tracks-neo-nazi-bitcoin-transactions <<< lolz
20:50 shinohai Likely brought to you by Shillbert and Co
21:00 mircea_popescu right.
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21:20 mircea_popescu and in other re-industrializations, https://blog.za3k.com/blast-furance/
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21:21 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/party-monster/ << Trilema - Party Monster
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21:42 kanzure why are you stalk za3k
21:43 mircea_popescu see #eulora eh.
21:43 kanzure alright he sucks at privacy
21:44 mircea_popescu he does ?
21:44 kanzure he is the anti-fenn but still should be good at privacy so wtf
21:44 mircea_popescu i don't get your reasoning. man has a blog, what privacy is here involved ?
21:44 kanzure did he use that nym?
21:45 mircea_popescu yes ?
21:45 kanzure oh..
21:45 mircea_popescu what is this, "i'ma be lazy and please don't think it means i'm stupid" ?
21:45 kanzure no i can't explain his lethargy
21:45 shinohai Seeing as how you are expert in privacy http://heybryan.org/
21:46 mircea_popescu i was talking about you. i did say see #eulora. you opted not to. this dun work, it's a bad habit, the sooner you shake it the better.
21:46 kanzure e x p e r t huh
21:47 mircea_popescu would "consultant" work better ?
21:47 mircea_popescu cuz i fear "officious intermeddler" may get the .wik treatment if deployed.
21:47 kanzure btw did you spend more than $2k on fg?
21:47 kanzure just curious
21:48 mircea_popescu certainly.
21:48 kanzure is it public number?
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21:48 mircea_popescu no.
21:48 mircea_popescu but it is easily north of 1mn. and this is actuarial costs, rather than "What';d it cost intel to reproduce".
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21:49 kanzure i would not have guessed that. what am i missing?
21:49 kanzure i would have guessed <$200k
21:49 mircea_popescu that good engineers are rare.
22:00 mircea_popescu and in other random lulz, http://worldofwonder.net/alt-right-childrens-book-the-adventures-of-pepe-and-pede-cancelled/
22:00 mircea_popescu the remnants of james clark are pretty entertaining. and the dood is publishing at trilema levels, check him out, dozens of items a day1
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22:55 BingoBoingo Nashville, Illinois: Home of the honest Superintendent of Schools https://archive.is/46ygc
22:58 * BingoBoingo can even offer directions to there that asciilifeform could follow. Jump on US 50 headed west, Continue on US 50 for some time. Turn South from US-50 to IL-127, drive another 20 ish miles
23:00 BingoBoingo The only difference to alf directions vs local is how long alf stays on US 50
23:04 asciilifeform nao dafuq would i want there, lol
23:04 BingoBoingo Goats?
23:04 asciilifeform in other shitreich lulz, http://archive.is/l0Raz
23:05 asciilifeform 'Man Who Refused to Decrypt Hard Drives Still in Prison After Two Years'
23:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-03#1710438 << all the public numberz are in the broadcasts, kanzure
23:05 a111 Logged on 2017-09-03 01:48 kanzure: is it public number?
23:07 asciilifeform on mircea_popescu's www, http://trilema.com/category/snsa
23:08 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-03#1710440 << well to nitpick , given as schematic and rtl are on the www, a one-eyed beggar from calcutta could, in principle, reproduce, dun need the majesty of wintel
23:08 a111 Logged on 2017-09-03 01:48 mircea_popescu: but it is easily north of 1mn. and this is actuarial costs, rather than "What';d it cost intel to reproduce".
23:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-03#1710417 << this method worx, it is how amateurs often do aluminum cast
23:10 a111 Logged on 2017-09-03 01:20 mircea_popescu: and in other re-industrializations, https://blog.za3k.com/blast-furance/
23:10 asciilifeform dun need anything bigger than the pictured bucket.
23:10 asciilifeform ( truly adventurous souls, also try the 'microwave foundry' recipe... )
23:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and yet one-eyed beggar from calcutta DOESN'T.
23:16 asciilifeform i suppose he has better things, evidently
23:16 asciilifeform to do
23:16 asciilifeform ( wallow in own gangrenes, or smell roses, or dunno )
23:16 mircea_popescu this perennial "i don't understand why computer costs money, i got mine at walmart" and "hey, i daydream things all day long, why should there be a difference when actual items are involved" isn't going to be engaged on an equal basis.
23:18 mircea_popescu just the clue cptn breezy needs is actually north of a million bucks ; as proven by the fact that all the cptn breezys who won the loterry still couldn't afford to buy it.
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23:25 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
23:25 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4622.93, vol: 15807.30008119 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4599.5, vol: 53136.18424155 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4672.81, vol: 7162.77273481 | Volume-weighted last average: 4611.2660222
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23:44 BingoBoingo http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/02/obama-is-the-most-expensive-ex-president-for-american-taxpayers/
23:44 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/09/elon-musks-tesla-faces-federal-probe-for-insufficient-socialism-failing-to-make-tesla-ford-again/ << Qntra - Elon Musk's Tesla Faces Federal Probe For Insufficient Socialism, Failing To Make Tesla Ford Again
23:44 mircea_popescu heh
23:47 BingoBoingo In other wads of wank: "A potentially critical pretrial battle, however, is brewing right now, according to court documents filed Tuesday. Winner — the 25-year-old Air Force veteran and ex-National Security Administration contractor indicted under the Espionage Act for allegedly leaking a top-secret document — has accused the FBI of violating her Miranda rights. Winner’s lawyers are arguing that any alleged confession should be bar
23:47 BingoBoingo red from a jury trial."
23:48 mircea_popescu kek
23:49 BingoBoingo From the fake alt-Qntra trying to cover its own ass for shitgnoming https://archive.is/ooCb6
23:50 BingoBoingo "failure to mirandize" isn't going to get the fuckers off for leaking the yellow tracking piss dots
23:51 mircea_popescu such perfect lulz.
23:51 mircea_popescu woman interacting with usg. "oh noes, it wasn't like the risotto. i felt full after the risotto."
23:51 BingoBoingo lol
23:51 * BingoBoingo to sleep on this lulgem
23:52 BingoBoingo And see if less unreputable source reports on it
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