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00:29 punkman asciilifeform: decent article
00:34 punkman PeterL: as if the president tells the Fed how much to print, and not the other way around
00:44 punkman https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1425751441629716485 "The #Taliban not only seized appr. a hundred US humvees and (MaxxPro) MRAPs at Kunduz airport, but also several US ScanEagle drones.
00:44 punkman Billions of US tax payer $ going to Islamist extremists, thanks to the administration's hasty withdrawal without a peace deal or follow up mission."
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01:02 punkman even more Q&A from "dear hacker": https://pastebin.com/Q8cxjesr
01:03 punkman "I AM A HIGH PROFILE HACKER IN THE REAL WORLD (LEAKING IDENTITY 2). I WORK IN THE SECURITY INDUSTRY AND HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO HACKING CAREER SINCE YOUNG (LEAKING IDENTITY 3). SERIOUSLY, AS SECURITY RESEARCHERS, OUR JOB IS TO SAVE THE HIDDEN WORLD."
01:05 punkman "NOT NATIVE SPEAKER. (LEAKING IDENTITY 1)" << sure looks like native speaker to me
01:07 punkman "IF ANY HACKER CAN FIND MY SOCIAL IDENTITY IN ONE MONTH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEND HIM MY PERSONAL GIFT. OTHERWISE, I MAY OR MAY NOT LEAK ANOTHER CLUE OF MY IDENTITY. SHALL WE PLAY THE GAME?"
01:08 punkman https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xc8a65fadf0e0ddaf421f28feab69bf6e2e589963&f=2 << all messages he sent to self can be seen here
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01:35 verisimilitude I'm surprised asciilifeform owns an iPad, but I do see many phone WWW browsers from here in my server logs.
01:41 asciilifeform verisimilitude: why surprised ? asciilifeform has a great many boxes, for many uses, even a winblows box
01:43 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-12#1052462 << at this pt asciilifeform 99% convinced that it's a radio play , for publicity and pumping.
01:43 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-12 21:01:24 punkman: "NOT NATIVE SPEAKER. (LEAKING IDENTITY 1)" << sure looks like native speaker to me
01:43 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-10 10:58:45 asciilifeform: punkman et al : is there any evidence against the hypothesis that such shitcoin 'heists' are perpetrated by the shitcoin author himself ?
01:43 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-10 16:53:08 asciilifeform: punkman: whole thing (incl. the '600 million $!!111 losses!111') is scheme to portray shitcoins as 'worth money'
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02:04 verisimilitude Why not be surprised?
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02:31 asciilifeform meanwhile, in wholly unrelated '19 lulz.
02:33 asciilifeform ^ sensationalist, imho, title, but basic observation is troo -- if you actually found how to reach one of the given magic states, then you have fucked the algo (at least for arbitrary-length inputs, e.g. vtronics)
02:33 asciilifeform discussion of this elsewhere on www : apparently 0.
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03:55 verisimilitude What a shame; the SHA-3 paper was a pleasant read, and I liked that the lack of a length made avoiding mistakes there easier.
03:56 asciilifeform verisimilitude: the moar interesting question that the linked author did not ask, is whether other hash schemes could be shown to lack a loop state
03:57 asciilifeform (it is not clear to asciilifeform that they necessarily do not)
03:58 verisimilitude The length being in the final block helps.
03:58 verisimilitude It helps against some of the attacks mentioned.
04:02 * asciilifeform historically 'hash pessimist'
04:06 verisimilitude Again, this reminds me of something I've written: Through the rotations, this message goes; where will the bits flip, nobody knows!
04:06 verisimilitude Any code I write won't assume collisions never happen; anything else is foolish.
04:06 asciilifeform verisimilitude: well, not 'nobody', lol
04:10 asciilifeform verisimilitude: the twist is that all kindsa things necessarily rely on 'impossibility' of collision. incl. e.g. bitcoin.
04:10 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-09-01 asciilifeform: trinque: the other thing, if you are going to put entire weight of the known universe on a hash, gotta specify what happens in case of a collision.
04:13 verisimilitude Yes.
04:13 asciilifeform err, here's the correct link for above
04:13 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-03-11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, didja ever calculate what would happen to trb (or for that matter prb) if one were to produce a colliding txid ?
04:13 verisimilitude So, to me, it looks like a house of cards.
04:14 asciilifeform verisimilitude: errything's a house of cards.
04:14 verisimilitude No.
04:15 verisimilitude I'm fully aware of how fragile these things really are, asciilifeform.
04:15 verisimilitude RSA stops working if factoring primes becomes easy.
04:15 asciilifeform lol!
04:15 verisimilitude A one-time pad always works.
04:16 * asciilifeform will factor any prime you like, for small fee!1111
04:16 verisimilitude Once perfect foundations are abandoned, it's a matter of risk.
04:17 asciilifeform verisimilitude: a reliable otp is in practice inaccessible to erryone but owners of FG or equivalent (i.e. auditable, unwhitened) tool
04:17 verisimilitude So?
04:17 verisimilitude We know I'm right.
04:18 asciilifeform re which
04:18 verisimilitude Mostly, regarding hashes.
04:18 verisimilitude I've always viewed relying on them as fragile.
04:19 verisimilitude If collisions are possible, a correct program must handle them.
04:19 verisimilitude s/are/be/
04:20 asciilifeform the interesting q is what if anything interesting in cryptography, outside of otp, is possible w/out relying on hashism.
04:20 verisimilitude I agree.
04:21 asciilifeform all known public key signature schemes, for instance, rely on hashism somewhere.
04:22 * asciilifeform must bbl.
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15:01 asciilifeform !w poll
15:01 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
15:01 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
15:01 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
15:01 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695578
15:01 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
15:01 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.032s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695578
15:01 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.085s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695578 (Operator: asciilifeform)
15:01 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.110s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695578
15:01 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.149s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695578 (Operator: whaack)
15:01 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695578
15:01 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.276s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695578
15:01 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.327s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695578
15:01 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.552s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695578
15:01 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.482s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695578 (Operator: asciilifeform)
15:02 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
15:02 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
15:02 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
15:02 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
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19:00 * asciilifeform continuing in keccak lulz, asciilifeform surveyed dozen or so published impls. of the algo, incl. e.g. this www-based item (specifically keccak, rather than sha3) and found that they agree w/ one another, but none with the diana kludge used in current vtron.
19:00 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-09-02 asciilifeform: incidentally shinohai keccak != usg.sha3
19:00 * asciilifeform evidently doomed to a log archaeological expedition to find why.
19:01 asciilifeform unless e.g. signpost happens to remember
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19:57 PeterL asciilifeform: If you remember, I once wrote a keccak implementation. It did not agree with Diana's, I think it might have to do with the endianness of how you put the data into the sponge function
19:57 PeterL but I never actually nailed down what the difference was
19:58 PeterL I don't remember if I checked against any other implementations though
19:58 PeterL (sorry if this is not actually very helpful)
20:01 asciilifeform PeterL: i recall
20:02 * asciilifeform pictures : what if mp had asked somebody to make a mains grid; it'd've been, say, 170 volt, and 'is the way it is because it is!111' etc
20:14 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
20:14 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $47478.84
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22:23 PeterL !s uptime
22:23 scoopbot PeterL: time since my last reconnect : 9d 1h 14m
22:25 PeterL I am going to be sitting in the woods for the next ~week, hopefully our scoopy little friend keeps going without me watching :)
22:30 asciilifeform PeterL: enjoy!
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