#trilema | 2015-04-12

uniquely kim-il-nigger moment.

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9 of 10 street schmucks will say he was professor.

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because 'grey lady' said.

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and this kind of thing is not retractable.

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yes, sure. fuck them, who cares what the cattle "thinks".

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but the point is... lemme find it.

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http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media

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Media Inquiries | University of Chicago Law School ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBoKUI )

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"From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is d

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istinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."

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mr mold found (and then retracted, somehow) some fairly convincing evidence that mr o never actually attended classes, as student

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no one cares.

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see... that random schmuck doesn't know which side his nose is blown is one thing.

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when the necks are [self]squeezed to the point a supposed "law school" publishes that tripe it is ANOTHER thing.

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i prefer to refer to that other thing as kim-il-nigger. seems adequate.

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"he is what he might have been had he been it". how about that ? insanity rampant.

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aha. the question of whether elena actually thought that being a chemist is being what she was, and mr o - professor of law, i will leave to the shrinks

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i suspect the old woman was the sane of the two.

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(al schwartz, incidentally, was quite fascinated with elena c. and her 'chemistry' in much the same way i am)

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i can't imagine why ?

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i imagine he found it uniquely galling

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i suppose neither of you ever kept whores ?

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no idea what he kept

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i've none

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it's a very simple thing : whores are, in point of fact, for the fact of having been whores, superior to "mere women", ie, the usual vanilla nitwit. this is a fact, incontrovertible as the fact that the sun is glowier than the moon.

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however, the nitwits are a) abundant and b) firmly convinced of the contrary.

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thus whore always finds herself in the position where the cheapest avenue is to ask master for a hammer to shut the dumbasses up.

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she always receives.

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as she always should.

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elena is in no way different from evita, on this score.

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asciilifeform wonders if 'whore' means the customary thing, to mircea_popescu, or if it is a mistranslation of something

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whore is a woman who has sex like a man.

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i am told that there are men who have sex for pay

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but never met alive.

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eh, that's a corner case. most men don't need to be paid to fuck.

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heck, you can just throw some printed sheets out of a car going "gangbang at X address" and you'll get a queue

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or at least could a while back. mebbe world's changed, who knows.

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anyway, it is at best naive to imagine whore is whore "because the money". not so. whore does not give a shit, at which point might as well be paid. because - queue. has to be sorted somehow.

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so, much as 'software' to naggum et al means something quite other than what it means to the schmuck who goes to the 'computer shop' to buy antivirus etc.;

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'whore' means very other thing to mircea_popescu than to the folks back on planet 3

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what'd be the difference ?

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when i land on mars i would like to meet these !

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mircea_popescu: where i live, at least to the 'street computer shop' level of apprehension, a whore is an abject and usually physically revolting creature who fellates what may well be gorillas for a hit of 'crack'

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well... that'd be a crack whore.

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re: obaama < he has an actual history, some one knows it

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yeah, i suppose if by "programmer" you meant "web programmer"...

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the other whore, is a college gurl who occasionally 'dates' old man in exchange for tuition money.

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that's usually the amateur.

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in this sense, i'm a coder because i ocasionally edit html o.O

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everything else re: whores may as well be at nsa in the vaults, as far as my incomplete education is concerned.

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and you will notice that even as an amateur - she ALSO charges for queing, ie, after the fact.

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she fucks old men because she fucks old men.

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mircea_popescu: the normal rationale is 'we rob banks because that's where the money is'

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once she does that, might as well pick a good one.

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when she runs into young man with money - goes there.

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not so.

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generally can not stand young man, irrespective of money.

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'young' being 10 yrs. her senior, rather than 35.

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"fucking idiots - the lot of them". exact quote. heard xn

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ah. no young being her age. anyway.

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^ this - yes.

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even i knew this.

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one thing i don't think anyone can blame the whorish co-ed for, not getting involved with the bros.

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bill ayers knows but is not talking

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decimation: i saw ayers alive once - public talk. it was quite an experience.

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or with the - horror of horrors - sensitive, lonely, loving geek.

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or with goats, sheep

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"Calling Bill Ayers a school reformer is a bit like calling Joseph Stalin an agricultural reformer." << that ayers ?

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that one.

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you know he was at ows ?

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aye

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he was in quite a few places.

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most nobody knew who he was. so fucking funny this shit, whenever something happened, the us "public intellectual" has to show up

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it's funnier (to me) than the old soviet confusion.

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he supposedly wrote obamas book

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the one on polymers ?

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asciilifeform always feels temptation to snip a letter, 'pubic intellectual'

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wait, wrong whore.

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what was it on ?

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l0l

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'dreams of my father'

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obama didn't know his father ?

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overwhelming evidence that he did not.

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color me a shade of surprised.

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hm... i guess in the context "color me" is a faux pas ?

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http://one-evil.org/content/symbols_gold.html << entirely unrelated but mega-l0l for connoisseurs of crackpottery (psychoceramics!)

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One Evil: Gold ... ( http://bit.ly/1EoYbSz )

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as I recall moldbug once linked to some pretty convincing evidence re:ayers wrote obama's autobiography

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decimation: aha. shortly after this i wondered wtf even to care.

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"In To Teach, Ayers recounts the story of an ambitious teacher who takes her students out to the streets of New York to learn about its culture and history. These students ask to see the nearby Hudson River. When they get to the river's edge, one student says, " Look, the river is flowing up." A second student says, "No, it has to flow south-down." Upon further research, the teacher discovers "that the Hudson River is a tidal river,

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that it flows both north and south, and they had visited the exact spot where the tide stops its northward push." "

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"In Dreams, written two years later, Obama takes an unlikely detour to the exact spot on the parallel East River where the north-flowing tide meets the south-flowing river. There, improbably, a young black boy approaches this strange man and asks, "You know why sometimes the river runs that way and then sometimes it goes this way?" Obama tells the boy it "had to do with the tides." "

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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/who_wrote_dreams_and_why_it_ma_1.html

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Articles: Who Wrote Dreams and Why It Matters ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBryBb )

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when the idea of ghostwriting is even thinkable, we know we're dealing with a class of muppets.

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which muppet wrote what - is approximately as interesting, imho, as which nigerian spammer penned which particular spam template.

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asciilifeform: it seems the idea of 'not ghostwriting' is unthinkable with modern political types

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these people do not even -have- identities

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I find it fascinating that a human can be invented from whole cloth, and then inserted into the political ladder

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asciilifeform imagine reading a book ghostwritten for me.

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l0l

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"wrote for mp by xxx"

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i think i'd read it lol.

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decimation: pelevin had an sf story about a team of folks who create politicians, 'public intellectuals', 'most wanted terrorists', etc. from whole cloth for mankind.

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complete with 3d films

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the latter is the fbi neh

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it was turned into a very passable film, 'generation p'

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('поколение п')

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mega-recommended, lulzy.

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there is a set of english subs floating about.

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i do not think there is a better film version of the ru 1990s that 'p'.

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*than

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asciilifeform: did you ever watch 'the president's analyst''?

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nope

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but it is on list

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i recall it was mentioned.

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it's amusing as well

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100550 @ 0.00029818 = 29.982 BTC [+]

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also unrelated, the ESP8266 mentioned last night is a very interesting item.

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$1 or so in quantity.

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it is isn't it

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~50MHz 32-bit (oddball architecture) cpu, tcp/ip implemented in hardware, can address via spi (as in sd card) external eeprom.

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if i had any reason to believe that these did not have magic-packet anal hole circuits, i'd be buying by the kilogram.

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so fuzz them!

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all scripted, yeah ?

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i recall someone telling me...

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'testing can prove existence but not absence...'

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lol

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i9t's still not a bad thing to drop a paycheck into.

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very much leads into the ancient dream of 'p2p relay you can superglue to undersides of parked cars and other vandalisms'

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- run on thermal gradient

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yup.

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for open air applications - solar+supercap

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it WOULD run on the gradient of exhaust

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etc.

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certainly would

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because 70mW and fast wake

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when vehicle is parked, on gradient b/w ground and cooling engine.

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moreover, put a cap in it anyway.

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(the wild cats in my neighbourhood run on this energy)

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lmao

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asciilifeform incidentally : best way to find out of magic packeted or not - actually deploy it as p2p relay as described. once wash dc is full of them you'll find out alright.

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futher in the 'vandal' theme, i will point out that it is not difficult to build a very cheap apparatus for climbing up walls with a few dozen grams' payload, quickly.

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climb up, then break tube of cyanoacrylate glue.

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mircea_popescu: i can more easily imagine a 'jobs program' where monkeys with triangulolocators climb walls and scrape by hand.

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asciilifeform: one trouble is that open wifi is not easy to find these days

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i will also add that we have an even odder curiosity here. an ancient, possibly first-of-its-kind wireless net called 'ricochet'

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consists of small gadgets attached to light poles

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the firm went thoroughly broke, through - iirc - embezzlement - long, long ago

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in late '90s

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but the boxes still work!

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asciilifeform: I've seen something similar to old 'ricochet' network: wireless meter reading nodes

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there are a dozen just within range of where i sit now

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they answer pings

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decimation: where i live meters have gsm modems.

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asciilifeform: that's one form, but some use 'mesh networking'

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https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~anrew/250b/ricochet.jpg << ricochet modem

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... ( http://bit.ly/1JBtTfx )

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http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8053/8446817062_dfc4392577_o.png << the repeaters.

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... ( http://bit.ly/1JBu1M8 )

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asciilifeform: what would be useful wrt this ESP8266 would be if one could modify the waveforms it used

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the backhaul nodes which connected these things to the ordinary net, naturally died years and years ago.

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decimation: aha. as it is, it is very much pegged into the traditional 2.4G band.

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http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/ricochet << historical.

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it would be amusing to toy with 'ricochet'

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asciilifeform was, for a while anyway, the owner of a ricochet repeater which 'fell off a pole'

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it had a xilinx spartan 1st ed. fpga inside. and was built like a tank.

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you could easily drop it from airplane and would survive.

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virtually all of the boxes in my city - still work.

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and, interestingly, no one hurries to remove them.

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(for one thing, it is unclear who, precisely owns them, and the contract for their emplacement - iirc - was perpetual, somehow)

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I wonder if some entity gobbled up those 'assets' and is preventing their removal

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-someone- knows.

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just like -someone- knows who owns that house down the street from where i sit

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asciilifeform: can't you look it up in public records?

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but not the city, not the (long-gone) last inhabitant, nor.,,,

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decimation: apparently not. special sticker of 'no one knows who owns'

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though the last time i walked by, sticker was - gone

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evidently the crown made a gift, to someone.

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of this broken-title 'ownership' of pirate treasure.

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phun phact: ricochet was non-exportable on account of fairly respectable crypto.

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and considerably cheaper than virtually all other net access available at the time.

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so it of course had to die 'because reasons.'

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as I recall, it was 'first to market' - well before mobile phone data plans were reasonably available (for non-bezzle price)

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incidentally, speaking of the little toy : i wouldn't mind putting a few coins behind a project dedicating to actually creating an array of p2p relays operated "alegally" in the manner described (glued to peoplke's cars without their knowledge).

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if anyone wishes to undertake it...

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ima put it on trilema too, once it's back up.

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this is phase 1. phase 2 is when we target all the cars ever seen parked by a nsa building. give meta-nsa something to fret about.

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mircea_popescu: i have a largely complete design for this and 5 other similar items, will confess.

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for some time.

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mega-issue with all publicly-accessible p2p (and inescapably low-capacity) nets is ddos.

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let them ddos.

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and feel free to publish your design on the unfairly neglected blog eh ?

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not even by bureaucrats, but by the first fool who loads 'youtube'

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thermal power unit, + cap ?

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it does not HAVE TO work with http.

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mircea_popescu: first concept was solar, cap, and wall climber / glue.

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no. thermal, cap and glue.

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mircea_popescu: second was thermal

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the parasithic nature and the strict contempt of "law" it displays are essential for its success.

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mircea_popescu: drew this up, in some detail, in '03-04.

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at one point even wrote a grant proposal (laugh) suggesting use in savage lands, etc

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well... it's what's happening.

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la serenissima is deploying it in savage lands.

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spoke with al s. once re: oceanic variant

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I've thought about a small mechanical generator that could be attached to a swaying tree

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(bottles, thermoclines)

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decimation a;lso interesting, for different situation

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097986 << mit has little credit to claim there. all socialist states produce this variety exactly.

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Logged on 12-04-2015 02:56:07; asciilifeform: revoltingly studious think-in-the box bitches, just as you might imagine

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asciilifeform knows

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organism inescapable for the niche

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like the mold that grows in public toilets

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somehow - same.

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'speaking power to truth'

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http://wiki.infosyncratic.nl/ << lawl this is for you decimation

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Infosyncratic Wiki - InfosyncraticWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWjZQ )

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http://infosyncratic.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/david-sengeh-xmas-2.jpg << you only hate her because miscegenation, i bet.

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... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWnZJ )

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http://www.gotenna.com/pages/how-it-works << commercial product, claimed. but begs question, why the pNohe is needed.

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How goTenna works ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWmVD )

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is that related to that nadya peek chick

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to ricochet

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(ricochet modems could connect with one another without repeater, and i briefly searched if classical 'radiomodem' is still sold by anyone)

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decimation yes.

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as in, gadget that directly links two machines over simple radio

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http://fab.cba.mit.edu/classes/MIT/863.08/people/nadya/week1.html < good for a chuckle.

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how to make almost anything ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWAvG )

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"It needs to be portable, therefore battery powered." << box.

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you can listen to her being interviewed by the annoying australian here: http://www.theamphour.com/208-an-interview-with-nadya-peek-gallant-gcode-gerontology/

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An Interview With Nadya Peek - Gallant Gcode Gerontology | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymWDrt )

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mircea_popescu: and this creature is rich, while good men die in butugychag.

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so ?

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fairness is not on the agenda.

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so.

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let good men take an axe to heir head, what.

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'axe-time, sword time, ...' (tm)

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098006 << you mean el/es/itevator.

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Logged on 12-04-2015 03:06:58; asciilifeform: and there is to be one in every office, lab, bus, train, - elevator.

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yes, this seems like perfectly satisfactory course work for a phd student in engineering/'fabbing'

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also tr/br/hrain.

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decimation in the endless words of george, "you will note that i am in the smaller office!"

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098008 << yes.

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Logged on 12-04-2015 03:07:18; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I love this article: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ do you keep this opinion?

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098014 << well, i hired (and paid, upfront) two different hosts. neither has managed to provisdion server yet.

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Logged on 12-04-2015 03:08:43; asciilifeform: felipelalli: it was unplugged (see mircea_popescu's explanation last night) and evidently not yet rehosted.

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anyway, im sure htey'll get around to it eventually.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098020 << you read the bit about why lisp company failed btw ?

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Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever.

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which bit

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re: smaller office < note that one disadvantage that mit has is that because they are taken superficially as 'the hotness', they probably encounter very little negative feedback on obviously fucktarded behavior

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linked here today

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asciilifeform up to date with log, but is not certain what is being spoken of

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asciilifeform: re: gotenna < yeah I don't get why phone is needed either. why not simple 4 line lcd with 'thumb keyboard'?

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1 sec lemme dig it out

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did someone link to the ancient 'symbolics, death of heterogeneous engineering' essay ? and i didn't notice

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decimation: because 'reasons.'

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also, it appears to be vaporware

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decimation: can't say, i did not try to buy it

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also I'm not sure that the rf band they are using is actually legal for that purpose

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wasn't even able to find immediately what they claimed to use.

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lost interest quickly after seeing the pNohe

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asciilifeform yes that one. http://www.web.mit.edu/6.933/www/Symbolics.pdf

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... ( http://bit.ly/1ymXNmK )

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mircea_popescu: ancient paper

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not entirely wrong, either

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so is the ancient failure it discusses.

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but incomplete picture.

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"(4) When I was on the front line, trying to sell Lispms, we had a major problem. I'd try to sell Lispms to friends and former associates that cost a minimum of $90K, and generally $105K out-the-door. They were typically given $120K to buy computers. This left them with a choice of purchasing 1 Symbolics machine or 3 Xerox Dolphins. They generally selected the 3 Dolphins. Our cost for the keyboard was $3,200 and our co

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st for the monitor screen was $8K (at least that was what I was told). My recollection was that the manufacturing cost of a Symbolics machine was over $40K. Hence, about one-third of the cost of a machine was the keyboard, mouse, and display. I told people within Symbolics to consider using a dumb display as the front-end (something like a Datapoint terminal). I can remember one employee telling me something like "if p

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eople can't appreciate why the machine is the way it is then they're stupid." Unfortunately, the potential buyers desired (drooled) to have them but few could afford them."

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compare and contrast with

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in order to sell such a thing legally in the us, you must explictly gain usg's permission, after suitably demonstrating that it works as claimed

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098020

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Logged on 12-04-2015 03:14:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever.

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decimation and if you don't care to "sell it legally" what happens ?

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they gonna send some agents to confiscate imaginary bitcoin which then doesn't exist because "the agents stole it" ?

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depends on whether anyone buys.

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i don't think anyone directly realises what epic self decapitation the dpr was for the usg.

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mircea_popescu: fcc can and has send agents to seize your supply of device

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or more elementarily, they confiscate the usd with which you are to buy rent and food.

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what agent is EVER going to wish to go work on a case where the emperor has dclared "huge value", wioth the full knowlerdge that if the value is somehoiw missing he will be imputed it anyway ?

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and then go and enjoy.

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asciilifeform i've not actyually used a bank since i'm here.

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enjoying it fine.

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mircea_popescu does not need bank aboard atomic dirigible

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why would he.

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you know, that dirigible is mostly an urban legend ?

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we little folk need usd to survive

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notably, i once picked up a us chick who at the time was engaged to be married.

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guy declared "golden helicopter"

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decimation cash comes in all denominations.

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http://www.mediageek.net/2006/01/micro-transmitter-manufacturer-fined-by-fcc/

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Micro-Transmitter Manufacturer Fined by FCC - mediageek ... ( http://bit.ly/1aFeoqF )

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<mircea_popescu> guy declared "golden helicopter" << i bet savages do believe that an airplane flies on account of some compact talisman contained therein

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http://www.eham.net/articles/243

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... ( http://bit.ly/1aFesqo )

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asciilifeform ikr ?

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i was pretty amused at the notion, on multiple fronts.

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it isn't even strictly false - go pull out a wire

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mircea_popescu: I suspect that many usians go their whole life without touching non-usd currency

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but not in the way the pygmy imagines

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decimation cmon, some euros, something.

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nope

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mircea_popescu probably does not entirely apprehend the degree to which various folks in usa, myself included, are already in a sharashka. we work for scrip, every penny of which is centrally accounted for, incoming and out

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mircea_popescu remembers old day, after a two week "if it's tuesday, it's belgium" thing, at 4am in train station guy pouring ~kig and half of coins into a beggar's lap.

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"shit, im not sorting all these"

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-d-chalmers/the-great-american-passpo_b_1920287.html < "The real story is that when broken down, those 25.8 million trips overseas were taken by approximately just 13.3 million American residents. And that means that in total, the real number of Americans that actually traveled (took trips) overseas in 2009 for either business or leisure, was about 15.5 million --o r just five percent of our

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The Great American Passport Myth: Why Just 3.5% Of Us Travel Overseas! | William D. Chalmers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymYsVh )

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nation's 311 million residents!"

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> 10 different types of pennies etc

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half the folks i work with, iirc, don't have - ever had - passports.

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decimation 5% each year, 100% in 4 five year plans, comrade!

01:34

heh

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00029818 = 10.1679 BTC [+]

01:36

asciilifeform so you create unaccounted revenue, what.

01:36

and spend on 100kg instead of 10kg of potato at the market ?

01:37

(leaving deliberately aside the question of how a full-time slave is to create 'unaccounted revenue' worth mentioning)

01:37

well... trade, whatever.

01:38

*

decimation imagines what would happen if he tried to pay for groceries with euros

01:40

im kinda curious in a scholarly way exactly what sort of outrage would incentize teh usg to go back on its "principal home can not be seized" approach to things.

01:40

"but he owes 547869857694579459 in FCC fines" "tough"

01:40

"but he made a blog post laughing at us for it" "oh... ok then!"

01:40

asciilifeform: ah, the 'gotenna' uses MURS http://www.radioworld.com/TabId/64/Default.aspx?ArticleId=271827

01:40

Radio World: Examining the “goTenna” Communications Device ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymZaC9 )

01:41

"Now we can address the contention that children are innately curious. They are not in the sense used here - they are tinkerers. The commonplace observation that children have short attention spans is direct refutation of the notion that they are creative and curious in any deep sense. The tragedy of our society is not that so many people outgrow their childlike curiosity, but that so few do. The adult equivalent of ch

01:41

ildlike curiosity is channel surfing and the ten-second sound bite."

01:41

ahh oldies...

01:42

its "principal home can not be seized" approach to things << wut?!

01:42

yeah I don't get it

01:42

this is, afaik, a curiosity confined to certain states

01:42

(fl, a few others)

01:42

not usa at large

01:42

ah, is it ?

01:42

iirc.

01:42

(ianal!)

01:43

www.irs.gov/pub/irs-wd/0947036.pdf afaik

01:44

even if this, if chump cashes in his house, usg can seize

01:44

so he cannot eat his house.

01:44

in practice, if usg wants to move you out of your house, they just freeze your accounts and bleed you with fines

01:44

wel lsure.

01:44

he could let someone live there, obviously.

01:44

in some states, local inspectors must approve rental properties

01:44

the basic principle of a jail is that it is absurd to reason about 'jailer can do xxx but not yyy to the inmates.' he can always find a way to yyy.

01:45

might take a bit of finesse, but you will be yyyd.

01:45

just like it's absurd to claim that 'in a democracy, government can do xxx but not yyy'

01:45

same idea.

01:46

apparently it just needs to ask for permission (from a usg magistrate - improperly called a judge for the obvious reasons)

01:47

"Article X, Section 4 of the Florida Constitution exempts homestead property from levy and execution by judgment creditors."

01:47

seems you're right eh.

01:47

in the constitution no less. interesting.

01:48

!up PFate

01:48

mircea_popescu: i only remembered the fl tidbit because paul graham blamed it for 'lack of startup culture in fl'

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232650 @ 0.00029833 = 69.4065 BTC [+] {2}

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vU6cSmWP1UAJ:www.ci.azusa.ca.us/index.aspx < example "Why does the City have a Rental Inspection Program?For years the City responded to complaints from tenants, other nearby rental property owners,

01:48

Rental Property Ordinances and Inspections What is the Rental Housing Inspection Program? The program is based on an ordinance w ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymZX5X )

01:48

and residents about the lack of property maintenance on many rental properties...blah blah"

01:48

"consumers have come to expect"

01:48

(how is chump supposed to borrow $xxxxxx to fund chumpup if not by pawning house)

01:49

heh.

01:49

this is a quaint anachronism, even

01:49

chumps had something to pawn, imagine!

01:49

this is the libertard verbiage as to why king abolished proper title. "the drunkard nobles wanted to be able to sell!!1"

01:49

!up dooglus_

01:49

"rental homes should be safe for women at night in slut wear"

01:49

shouldn't they ?!

01:50

gov't inspectors will find out!

01:50

"Florida Constitution does not protect homestead property against tax liens, homeowner association mechanics liens associated with labor or materials to repair or improve the homestead property, and voluntary liens including mortgages and homeowner association liens. "

01:50

ahem.

01:51

lol well then what does it protect against?

01:51

what's left, l0l

01:51

claims by local ants?

01:51

more or less, strictly bans voluntary pawning.

01:51

and nothing else.

01:52

let freedome ring

01:52

"and voluntary liens including mortgages"

01:53

must've been added post-pg ?

01:53

basically it means that if old bitty runs down your new car with her beater,

01:53

you can't get your money back by selling her house.

01:53

aha.

01:53

hard to picture what else.

01:54

actually I heard another interesting podcast today that is related > http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2006/09/legislators_vs.html

01:54

" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1yn0BjL )

01:55

unfortunately no transcript. the relevant point was about how the constitution was 'reinterpreted' during the new deal years to mean that the 'equal protection under law' clause doesn't apply to actual laws

01:55

as long as there is a 'reasonable basis' for the law (as in, usg can provide any reason whatsoever"

01:56

all constitutions are constantly reinterpreted. see discussion about the bbs above.

01:56

this is why a constitution is fundamentally a joke. if you have the men that you need for it to work, you don't need it. if you don't have them, it's useless anyway.

01:56

like a marriage contract, exactly.

01:56

yes, indeed

01:56

during and after 'new deal', american constitution and derived 'law' became approximately as interesting as the soviet constitution.

01:56

soviet constitution was notbad.jpg

01:57

precisely

01:57

from the pov of the hostile preditor, of course.

01:57

but for some odd reason no one reads it now.

01:57

whether outside or in. the scribblings of the mental patient - informative.

01:57

because nothing left to eat.

01:57

preditors don't care about dirt.

01:58

actually the soviet constitution is exactly an excercise in 'process determines outcomes'

01:58

on paper, democracy blooms. in practice, party secretary is the tzar

01:58

you read the thing ?

01:58

I've read summaries

01:58

hm

01:58

*

asciilifeform recommends.

01:59

but only to serious 'psychoceramicists.'

01:59

http://constitution.garant.ru/history/ussr-rsfsr/1977/ ?

01:59

... ( http://bit.ly/1yn17yo )

02:00

that'd be brezhnev's

02:00

the detail I recall is the vast pyramids of committees and soviets that each 'advise' the next layer

02:00

the soviets, of course, were a federation

02:00

the mega-classic is stalin's

02:00

'36.

02:00

much like the us. except the soviets making up the soyouz actually had more autonomy than wisconsin

02:00

considerably more, in practice.

02:00

mhm

02:00

*

decimation took a class on soviet politics in undergrad, but it wasn't terribly informative

02:01

asciilifeform well yes brejnev's. which one, the pre war ?!

02:01

aha

02:01

there wasn't anything in between was there ? stalin didn't dare.

02:01

'36 was 'stalin's' but notably not

02:02

the muppet who penned the bulk of it (buharin) went to the meat grinder

02:02

eh ?

02:02

whole thing was a production of the 'chrome' sov. gov. that had little relation to actual decision-making

02:02

surely even stalin had to pretend that he was operating the structure installed by lenin and his friends on kronstadt

02:03

by and large the pretence was an elaborate and - to the amateur, scarcely-comprehensible - mega-kabuki

02:04

not entirely unlike usg.

02:04

asciilifeform: surely the average peasant couldn't be much bothered to distinguish between comrade joe and tzar nikolai?

02:04

(where, for instance, 'laws' tens of thousands of pages long will 'pass' without any one living creature having read so much as a tenth of the text, etc)

02:05

decimation: there is a popular anecdote where stalin is said to have visited his elderly mother, who tried to comprehend what he does 'for a living'

02:05

rob banks?

02:05

and ended up having to mumble 'something like tzar's old job'

02:06

heh

02:07

so who gave a fuck about whatever the local soviet declared? folks who wanted to climb the power structure?

02:09

even phrasing the question in this way - is to miss the point

02:09

what is declared, is at most masking smoke for the actual decision.

02:09

or could coincide entirely

02:09

like the blinkers of one car, standing in a long jam, can appear to synchronize with another's

02:09

but uncoupled, is the fundamental part.

02:10

the apparatus-of-state-as-distraction thing is not even specifically soviet

02:10

ru empire was governed this way, since at least peter 1

02:10

usg is tending in that direction too

02:11

usg was pure, refined 'this' since day 1.

02:11

since gang of plantation keepers formed 'democratic' chrome on their actual decision mechanisms

02:12

yes, but usg has been very successful at brainwashing the masses into believing its bullshit

02:15

but I think this is failing too. how many us folk believe that throwing their sons into the us military 'intervention' wood chipper is actually helping anyone other than the power-mad staffers in washington?

02:18

most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston

02:20

chetty: the ones from virginia certainly kept plantations

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139800 @ 0.00029815 = 41.6814 BTC [-]

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decimation certainly, even as far north as Maryland but I don't think it was the majority

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http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ o.O

04:36

503 File is Temporarily Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1aFCL7R )

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04:40

<chetty> most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ?

04:47

"Harriette Halepis is a journalist by trade. Her work can be seen in Vegetarian Times, Seacoast Living, Success Magazine, Alive Magazine, and various other online and offline publications."

04:48

journalist as opposed to indian battery chicken, i guess. "i cluck at the keyboard just like the wetbacks, but in not being a wetback i get to call myself a journalist. by trade!"

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<mircea_popescu> <chetty> most of the founding fathers were from the north, not many plantation keepers around Boston << at what time, this ?//founding fathers = circa 1770

05:47

they had plantations back then

05:48

not so much in the north, northern farms were small

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plimoth plantation ?

06:02

way a village

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08:50

Fun fact: Media companies (or contractors thereof) are doing vuln research on media players in order to plant bug-triggering media files on warez sites.

08:51

e.g. they have a VLC bug that causes it to use terabytes of memory

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228653 @ 0.00028797 = 65.8452 BTC [-] {2}

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on Windows the common codecs formats means that 99% of users would be running a 32-bit version of both the video player and the codecs

08:59

ofc, on x64 Linux the oom killer catches it

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09:17

and on the subject of media, four episodes of this season's Game of Thrones have been leaked

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12:48

;;later tell cazalla for you qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/24H8HKN.txt

12:48

... ( http://bit.ly/1PAOHIh )

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The operation succeeded.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173000 @ 0.00029663 = 51.317 BTC [+] {2}

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;;later tell bingoboingo and yours! : http://dpaste.com/2YK4CMA.txt

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... ( http://bit.ly/1PAOODO )

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The operation succeeded.

12:56

"Toyota Venza volume peaked in the model’s first full year at 54,410 units. Two years later, in 2011, Venza sales slid 28%. Last year, U.S. Venza volume was barely more than half what it was in 2009." << oh hey look pete killed the venza with his cartoon drawings in 2011

12:56

reference : http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/25/a-retrospective-on-six-years-in-the-car-blogosphere/#footnote_10_2563

12:56

A retrospective on six years in the car blogosphere | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAPpFo )

12:56

should add this to ma cv or something

12:56

<chetty> not so much in the north, northern farms were small << most of the powerful northern figures were, in some way or another, connected with the slave trade or the cotton business in general

12:57

it having been the only really serious business in that part of the world, at the time.

13:01

http://hackaday.com/2015/03/18/how-to-directly-program-an-inexpensive-esp8266-wifi-module << has photograph of die

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How to Directly Program an Inexpensive ESP8266 WiFi Module | Hackaday ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAQ1Lh )

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http://i.imgur.com/x0pSHS2.gif

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... ( http://bit.ly/1aGPZRP )

13:54

and in other news, jesus CHRIST has the world decayed since I last looked for a host.

13:55

apparently nobody actually still does anything anymore. just watch tv all day or something.

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14:24

kinda souds right

14:24

*sounds

14:24

nuts.

14:25

i have serious doubts myself, why bother messing around at all?

14:25

I just... never looked for a webhost since at least 2002, been using pretty much the same outfit since.

14:26

this entire "we've been sitting on an order for 36 hours" thing is entirely novel. no idea when it came in, but it strikes me as outlandish.

14:27

jurov i dunno dood, for money, cause it's what you do... the world was built by men who enjoyed working.

14:28

in unrelated news, some wikipedia top keks : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaúxuma_Núpika

14:28

Kaúxuma Núpika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nv8Jp2 )

14:28

GREAT WOMEN IN HISTOREE. a confused squaw we now deem important!

14:28

they had to neva some other cause, perhaps believed their children appreciate it or such

14:28

*to have

14:30

the world's too comfortable; goes back to the thread yesterday about whether being self-taught is a thing

14:30

subset of "being self-directed at all is a thing"

14:30

one can only be self-directed if one's ego can stfu for long intervals.

14:30

i kinda ran out of problem i feel the need of solving

14:31

*problems

14:31

not sure how it is possible

14:31

yea ? how about webhosting ?

14:31

not my problem

14:32

trinque this pointedly excludes "creative people", obv. the sad story of WBs animation studio post quimby vs pre is a fine illustration there.

14:32

jurov how do you define a problem ? just curious.

14:32

something that bothers me

14:33

kinda how i go about it too.

14:33

inexplicably, i end up with unmanageably lengthy lists.

14:33

mircea_popescu: yeah, creative people, entrepreneurs. In my case I've been self-directed for the larger part of the last 5 years, but I wouldn't credit myself with having provided all the motivation to go down that route.

14:33

other men in my family did things that still tower above my own achievements, so I have something to compare myself with

14:34

i have noticed both mircea and alf show irreconcilable hate for certain things, maybe it's a prereq?

14:35

i can't persist and doubt everything

14:36

it's not even hate, to be technical. it's more like "this may not even exist".

14:42

lol "qntsideration". nb.

14:43

jurov meanwhile, while we've been having this conversation, there's been one of those open air concerts going on right under my window. the women can not sing. i mean... the tune is not even close, it's like zappa's "the beat goes on, and you're so wrong..." stuff.

14:43

they're doing covers of shitty elevator music, all of it in english (or should i say their lords and masters over the faulklands ?), and they don't get the words right or even rightly apprehend what anything means.

14:44

and people are like, squaling in delight, there's thunderous applause... "forever young" hasn't got this bad a mangling since the last tiem a drunk dude in wichita sung it at a karaoke

14:44

very strange world.

14:45

o wait, they're doing "we will rock you" now.

14:46

amps should be a restricted fucking export. buncha native retards and their cargo cultishness bejeezuz.

14:50

this morning I got a bunch of 2fa texts from circle; I wonder if they have an undiagnosed bug leaking customer info

14:51

you being a customer ?

14:51

one with an empty account, yeah

14:52

maybe it's their idea of a retention strategy.

14:52

heh, reminds me I have the account?

14:52

it worked! reminded me to close the account

14:54

mike_c

trinque: it's even viral. now I am reminded to close my account too.

14:54

heh!

14:55

lmao

14:55

what is this "close account" stuff you folks are talking about ?

14:56

mircea_popescu: we tell circle to mark a bit to 0 in their db, and they keep our info for all time

14:56

it says right here in paragraph obama subsection nobody could have foreseen : fuck you, if you have an account you didn't make that account.

14:56

lol

14:56

speaking of him, this chatter is something I'm seeing on more accounts than just circle

14:57

i wonder if mr "if you have a stanford you didn't go to that stanford" / "if you have a presidency your parents didn't make you in that country" / "if you had an insurance you can no longer have an insurance" even realises what his memory is going to look like

14:58

"hi, i am obama and for a while there I was a bad meme."

14:58

mircea_popescu: they probably give him pills to help with that

14:58

teh old cocaine eyedrops ? perhaps.

15:00

amusingly, after bitching above, just got email from one of the folks involved apologizing profusely. so which one of you dudes runs godmodehost ?

15:00

admit, there's no shame to it.

15:01

mircea_popescu: why do the 'natives' there sing low quality us pop music instead of performing their own stuff?

15:01

for instance, latin jazz

15:02

because aspirational idiots.

15:02

it's a generational problem.

15:02

the stupid have no country.

15:03

my understanding is that latin jazz was inspired by shortwave broadcasts of us jazz

15:03

probably as simple as "because they gorge on our shitty entertainment, like the morons everywhere"

15:03

hence why "globalisation" is the necessary end game of a "the many matter"

15:04

decimation i have no idea, maybe it has. if that's the case then your answer is "because THIS stupid generation is different from THAT one."

15:04

well, at least the last generation took what they heard and remixed it to something somewhat unique

15:04

yes. they could also spell their own name.

15:04

heh

15:04

decimation, imported is flashier

15:05

in fairness, as far as pop music is concerned, not understanding what the lyrics say is a net plus.

15:05

was happening for a very loong time in ostblok

15:05

jurov only after the economic race was lost, mind.

15:05

was not really happening that much in the 60s.

15:05

jurov: many have noted that western liberalism is much more concerned with 'the other' than with themselves

15:06

at least in czechoslovakia, it *was*

15:06

in 1960s

15:06

was that not just natural "look to vienna" for the kingdom of bohemia ?

15:06

decimation: how does that square with the rampant narcissism?

15:06

more like general setup if things, you prolly did not get radio luxembourg in ro

15:07

trinque: easy. 'the distant other' always happens to agree with your own liberalizing views

15:07

^

15:07

makes sense

15:07

"the other" is a puny excuse for the ego to escape the superego.

15:08

american buddhists come to mind

15:08

hence the automatic "we" every idiot drops to the moment i get my club.

15:08

jurov i guess that could also be it.

15:08

jurov: surely they received it on shortwave

15:09

but I'm not sure how many people in eastern eu countries had shortwave receivers

15:09

lots lol.

15:09

man's most prized possession. like kalash in pashtunland.

15:09

yes, everyone had. and first mass available magnetophones appeared

15:13

magnetophones? tape players?

15:13

yes, tape reel players

15:14

and recorders

15:14

(same machine, you couldn't get one that could not record)

15:15

interesting that govt did not regulate them at all, unlike photocopiers

15:15

tape was seemingly never used for political purposes

15:16

it bit them to ass when videotapes came, tho

15:18

isn't this odd, think about it ?

15:18

you had to "register" your typewriter. kids didn't have to register their magnetophone.

15:18

does this not suggest that the ACTUAL REASON adults "had to" register their typewriters was because they wanted to have to ?

15:18

felipelalli

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098408 << mircea_popescu nice!! Thanks! Great article, congrats.

15:18

Logged on 12-04-2015 05:18:53; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098008 << yes.

15:18

like a retarded native american would have taken it to the shaman to be exorcised ?

15:18

mircea_popescu: yes that seems reasonable

15:18

like the retarded native americans go through the tsa anal gefingerpoken so as to be clarified of their sins ?

15:18

i said this before, but perhaps not as clearly : no totalitarian state oppressed the people. ever.

15:18

the people seek certain forms, and the bureaucracy follows.

15:18

no bureaucracy EVER did anything. it has as much agency as rain.

15:20

mircea_popescu: always a very small number of whichever govt officials compared to the total populatio

15:20

*n

15:20

mircea_popescu: you see this in the us with the ambiguity usg shows toward spying in general

15:20

no dude. hitler didn't "force germans". buncha bored women wanted it. all of it.

15:20

they were treying to get the russians to rape them and found a way.

15:21

'the people' desperately want to believe that there is a secretly competent branch of usg saving them from themselves

15:21

the us population fundamentally wishes to be deeply humiliated by the entire world. it's what they're doing over there.

15:21

why us army hasn't been allowed to win a war since the 60s at least.

15:22

just... abjection. it's a lot more psychologically attractive than most people dare to admit.

15:22

yes, and it's seen as noble because it embiggens 'the other' in the third whom they idolize

15:23

perhaps that, also guilt

15:23

guilt schmuilt.

15:23

we are taught (though this is of course delusional) that we're supposed to be this force of GOOD (TM) in the world

15:23

nobody feels any guilt.

15:24

then why the drive towards abjection?

15:25

abjection is its own reward.

15:25

because then they're at least important enough to bother humiliating?

15:26

not even.

15:26

no because.

15:29

"That Lakota men did not like to be called "heart of a woman" in council meetings is less likely to mean that women were regarded as inferior than that the warrior's role was sharply set off from the woman's role". Check it out, both the Lakota and Hassrick managed to figure it out!

15:29

*

trinque puzzles

15:31

so this abjection drive is a matter of female psychology?

15:36

Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 31.29172615 BTC. Current weight: 82,496.

15:37

!up ascii_modem

15:38

magnetophone apolitical?! l0l no

15:39

and

15:39

not registered only because tech did not allow

15:40

but the tech allowed registration of copiers?

15:40

them to be told apart easily, as typewrtrs

15:40

trivial

15:43

!up beetcoin

15:45

"Even though history does not have laws, the course of a revolution is easily foreseen, because stupidity and madness do have laws. (#2,222)" http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/11/2222.html

15:45

Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,222 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCyLm3 )

15:45

aha.

15:47

*

decimation suspects that the longer one resides in south america, the more one would come to appreciate herr colacho

15:47

"Aun cuando la historia no tenga leyes el curso de una revolución se prevé fácilmente, porque la estupidez y la demencia sí las tienen."

15:47

dementia != madness, ftr.

15:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11712 @ 0.00028731 = 3.365 BTC [-]

15:48

not in the 'crazy old men sense, no'

15:48

;;dict demented

15:48

wn: demented adj 1: affected with madness or insanity; "a man who had gone mad" [syn: {brainsick}, {crazy}, {demented}, {disturbed}, {mad}, {sick}, {unbalanced}, {unhinged}]

15:49

sure, the dysfunctional us "dictionaries", really properly wikitionaries have everything equal. (demencia passion locura furia) = (insanity crazyness madness

15:49

nevertheless, this is not how languages work.

15:49

decimation no. demented is different from mad in that one lacks the intellect whereas the other has a malfunctioning intellect. the alzhimer patient is demented but not mad.

15:49

the active schizophrenic is mad but not demented.

15:50

lack of intellect is in fact predictable.

15:50

'mens rea'?

15:50

that's teleological in usage. but perhaps there's something long forgotten to the etymology.

15:55

btw, is there a trilema piece about how to maintain endless lists of "things that are not to exist" without becoming mad in the process?

15:59

well we don't know i'm not nuts, for one thing.

15:59

but for the other, how do you maintain the list of endless things that are not letters ?

16:01

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098693 not sure if "unmanageably lengthy" is distnct from endless

16:01

Logged on 12-04-2015 18:33:07; mircea_popescu: inexplicably, i end up with unmanageably lengthy lists.

16:01

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098658 << send a copy to ben_vulpes

16:01

Logged on 12-04-2015 16:56:38; pete_dushenski: should add this to ma cv or something

16:01

he's keeping THAT endless list :D

16:01

jurov it is, being still (blessfully) finite.

16:03

i did not mean to split hairs there :) so it goes like, you get upset, add it to the list while maybe breaking the keyboard or two and life goes on?

16:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 294360 @ 0.00028563 = 84.078 BTC [-] {3}

16:03

pretty much.

16:03

but look at the way i read, it's illustrative.

16:04

i couldn't finish hayek because he was stupid. think about that, hayek of all people. if hayek is stupid what chance do we have ?

16:04

but the fact remains, i keep reading through, stupid accumulates, eventually overrurns my (short) buffer and i drop it.

16:04

plenty of web content makes it one phrase in.

16:05

seeing how stupidity is not self-healing, i don't even need to keep the list per se. just read another sentence later.

16:06

i just shrug it and try to forget.. guess i need to unlearn that

16:06

either that or perfect the skill, shrug and try to be a rock or something.

16:06

halfway i imagine it's frustrating and ineffectual.

16:08

it is

16:08

"welcome, driving class. today, we learn how to accelerate the car. next week, we'll learn steering and braking."

16:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 320150 @ 0.00028451 = 91.0859 BTC [-] {2}

16:17

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1098660 << actually, tobacco first.

16:17

Logged on 12-04-2015 16:57:38; asciilifeform: it having been the only really serious business in that part of the world, at the time.

16:17

then sugar cane

16:17

THEN cotton.

16:17

but the original northern colonists (south didn't exist, like oregon didn't exist during civil war) ran exactly the equivalent of the southern plantation,

16:17

except for tobacco, and with white slaves.

16:18

it was common practice to pick up children off the street / take the children of people living on the dole and send them over.

16:18

regularly children as old as 12 are listed as "servants". girls, mostly.

16:19

in fact, even the puritans, even on the mayflower, for all the pretense to contrary, shipped a total of four children that had been stolen from a gentry woman in england, against hte mother's wishes. three died the first winter there.

16:20

the woman's husband wanted to end the fee tail on the woman's dowry estate, and did not wish to entertain her children (which she had with a guy she actually liked, about her age), and so ... had his friend teh lord of the cinque ports declare them slaves, and they got sent where slaves went in 1500.

16:23

not to mention indentured servitude

16:23

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3664862/The-forgotten-history-of-Britains-white-slaves.html

16:23

The forgotten history of Britain's white slaves - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCFs7A )

16:23

i suppose the us owes reparations to britain.

16:24

"Two were "Negro slaves", but the other eight were white servants, including Thomas Pearce, a 20-year-old Bristol joiner, and William Webster, a middle-aged Scottish brick-maker. Whether they were ever found remains a mystery; almost nothing is known about them but their names. But their irate master was to become very famous indeed, for the man pursuing his absconding servants was called George Washington."

16:24

then again... they did give them a buncha shit.

16:24

well, the colonies were a nice place to 'disappear' all kinds of crazies

16:24

decimation the fact remains that slavery is generally productive, and in some circumstances the only practicable alternative.

16:25

that it's badmouthed by the lazy, and that the encyclopedists pushed this angle where the late failure is presented as pars pro toto reporesentative... well.

16:25

what if i started an encyclopedia presenting the current state of "web development" as indicative of what computing science is ?

16:25

"even the slave masters themselves agreed slavery is a bad idea".

16:26

heh

16:26

duh. badly done, yes. it is. of course it is.

16:26

so is badly done coffee.

16:26

note that the above mentioned indentured servants volunteered, probably because of bankruptcy

16:26

"volunteered".

16:27

women voluntarily married at the time, too.

16:27

hehe good point

16:27

heck, the french conscripts of the french republicalso volunteered

16:27

at any rate, I'm off for awhile

16:27

the fact that the medical science of detecting imaginary maladies never got such a boost before or since notwithstanding.

16:28

one should still wonder why would record numbers of malingerers seen in a thorouhgly voluntary force.

~ 49 minutes ~

17:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53170 @ 0.00028433 = 15.1178 BTC [-]

17:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00028312 = 20.0166 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

17:39

the popular retelling of american history is terribly freedomwashed

17:40

see: Daniel Day Lewis' role in Lincoln (2012)

17:41

like lincoln ever gave a shit about emancipating the negros ... rather than driving them into revolt, resistance, and generally disrupting the southern economy

17:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147238 @ 0.00028312 = 41.686 BTC [-]

18:01

so it is.

18:01

pious fraud. no history was ever told any other way, because the principal driver behind history as a human behaviour is exactly what Chillum was describing re his involvement in wikipedia.

18:01

people by and large aspire to matter.

18:02

what happened in an incidental

~ 26 minutes ~

18:28

but i want to hear more about what the wikipedia admins are talking about in their private channel

18:30

so join.

18:38

/s

~ 18 minutes ~

18:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159127 @ 0.00028275 = 44.9932 BTC [-]

~ 20 minutes ~

19:17

!t m s.mpoe

19:17

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00028275 / 0.00029231 / 0.00030023 (5983782 shares, 1,749.15 BTC), 7D: 0.00023945 / 0.00027914 / 0.00031364 (27602244 shares, 7,705.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00027661 / 0.00036126 (118782551 shares, 32,857.45 BTC)

19:17

!t m s.qntr

19:17

[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00029451 / 0.00029451 / 0.00029451 (3228 shares, 0.95 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00031994 / 0.00037719 (61690 shares, 19.74 BTC)

19:18

!t m f.mpif

19:18

[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000206 / 0.000206 / 0.000206 (10000 shares, 2.06 BTC), 7D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC)

19:19

http://www.wsj.com/articles/can-they-be-accepted-as-a-singular-pronoun-1428686651

19:19

Can ‘They’ Be Accepted as a Singular Pronoun? - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNijN1 )

19:21

nice, it includes not just trannies, but split/absent personalities, too

19:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00028603 = 7.5655 BTC [+] {2}

19:24

*

Adlai discussed just this very issue over dinner with a university professor

19:24

and he was all... "ultimately, it's all bullshit"

~ 24 minutes ~

19:49

i'm just going to use it as a filter, the same way i filter against men who button the top button of their shirt when not wearing a tie.

19:58

Bet placed: 2.1 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.055139 BTC. Current weight: 88,379.

20:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116700 @ 0.00028163 = 32.8662 BTC [-] {2}

20:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58150 @ 0.00028091 = 16.3349 BTC [-]

20:10

eh

20:10

ben_vulpes: what kind of filter?

20:10

*

Adlai uses "they" quite a bit

20:10

and /me wouldn't want to be discrimunatud against by the hypothetical ben_vulpes

20:11

oh don't mind me i'm just being bombastic

20:12

Bet placed: 4.3 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 159.46184834 BTC. Current weight: 62,779.

20:12

Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1132/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.055139 BTC. Current weight: 88,373.

20:13

why bomb when you can fant?

20:13

.. or bet, lol

20:13

although silver's going up. you heard it here first.

20:23

what makes you think that?

20:25

uh

20:25

no it's going down, shit.

20:26

*

Adlai just lost 3 BTC

20:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209100 @ 0.00028941 = 60.5156 BTC [+] {2}

20:34

it's not even 4:20 yet, Adlai

20:35

salways 420 somewhere

20:35

*

Adlai should sleep, don't take it personally but kindly fuck off.

~ 38 minutes ~

21:13

BingoBoingo

!up `bittrex-richie

21:14

BingoBoingo

!up mxtm

21:14

thanks

21:14

`bittrex-richie is impersonating bittrex-richie, by the way

21:15

he's the serb

21:16

mxtm impersonate me he is Nigger

21:16

mxtm

21:16

i'm voiced

21:16

LELE

21:16

moron

21:16

kill yourslef

21:16

fast fast pm OP

21:17

and lick they ass

21:17

HAHHAAHHAH

21:17

moron

21:17

lol

21:17

did you pm OP

21:17

mxtm

21:17

did you eat shit from your doge?

21:17

lol

21:17

lol

21:17

see

21:17

all i talk is true

21:17

agree

21:20

*furiously checking logs wondering what I have missed*

21:20

a scammer joining

21:20

and then spamming and calling me slurs

21:21

Is it worth downing him?

21:21

nahh

21:21

mxtm

21:21

is idiot

21:21

williamdunne: yes

21:21

pls do

21:21

!down BloodyRoockie

21:21

?

21:21

!down BIoodyRoockie

21:21

!down ufnfnf

21:22

!down mxtm

21:22

get in the wot, fuckers

21:22

!down ufoirotffffp

21:22

04:22:24 mxtm | I am in the WoT :( just not assbot's

21:22

I'm in Assbot's WoT, not sure why it didn't work for me

21:23

Do you need to be in ring 1 to !down?

21:24

!down williamdunne

21:24

assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot): Adlai, you can't do that to williamdunne. (Trust: L1 0, L2 1)

21:24

there appears to be an anomaly.

21:25

Interesting

21:25

i mean, we should have the same abilities; yet i could down them, but you couldn't.

21:25

*

Adlai is also in L2

21:25

there is a problem! system be broke.

21:26

Is the source available for assbot? I'll have a peek

21:26

not that i know. kakobrekla ?

21:30

;;getrust adlai williamdunne

21:30

Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.

21:31

;;gettrust adlai williamdunne

21:31

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user adlai to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=adlai&dest=williamdunne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=williamdunne | Rated since: never

21:31

Its !gettrust for assbot is it not?

21:31

williamdunne: aha! "Currently not authenticated."?

21:31

!gettrust adlai williamdunne

21:31

Trust relationship from user adlai to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/adlai/williamdunne | http://w.b-a.link/user/williamdunne

21:33

williamdunne: so, new blood, where are you cut from?

21:34

From the UK, got into bitcoin a couple of years ago but spent the last having my education from a number of #b-a soures

21:35

why do you feel "cut from" the UK?

21:35

I don't, I just wasn't entirely sure what you were asking me so covered a couple of interpretations

21:36

(One of which was where are you from)

21:36

*

adlai distinctly recalls mentioning cuts

21:37

which could imply any number of things, such as "at which sovereign did you hail before you realized you needed none"

21:37

Yep, thats the one I was answering - I wouldn't consider the sovereignty I reside in to be a part of my identity.

21:38

Nor would I expect it to be my final resting place

21:38

how have you repaid it for what it did give you?

21:38

adlai: how do you know it was a net gift and not theft?

21:38

At this point in time, nothing

21:39

And nor do I feel any obligation to

21:39

ben_vulpes: "it has taken more from me than it gave" is a valid answer

21:39

but not everybody would say that

21:39

*

adlai for example has not yet fully cashed his check

21:41

i don't think that this place could ever repay me for the cost of living here.

21:41

I will presume you are in the US

21:42

ben_vulpes: the old deeds bundle hashes are a hash of each deed comma-delimited, then hashed again all together

21:42

*

trinque is working on that import

21:43

that is why I didn't just import the thing blindly; it worked differently than the current iteration

21:44

with that said, let no one ever claim that the deedbot doesn't work because they couldn't figure out how to verify these

21:45

Those who have need of it should learn how to use it, instead of hoping for it to be spoonfed to them with parallax

21:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177100 @ 0.00028227 = 49.99 BTC [-]

22:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141500 @ 0.00028426 = 40.2228 BTC [+] {2}

~ 15 minutes ~

22:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43450 @ 0.00028581 = 12.4184 BTC [+]

22:20

lmao wut whas that.

22:21

ben_vulpes " men who button the top button of their shirt when not wearing a tie." << what's that ? retardaton ? tuxedo ?

22:22

lol i put the serb/nigger in bash

22:22

anyone still modding that ?

22:24

lulz @adlai managing teh chan

22:24

you know, namechanges dont provide voice yo

22:25

<williamdunne> I'm in Assbot's WoT, not sure why it didn't work for me << because you typed out the full name like a noob, and you have a display that fails to make the diff between capital i and lowcase l. instead of, you know, typiong the first three letters then hitting autocompletion like people who aren't noobs, and thus by noticing that Blo<tab> does nothing figure out the problem.

22:26

!down mircea_popescu

22:26

^^ still doesn't work

22:26

and teh same goes to teh other nooblet.

22:26

how the fuck would THAT work lol

22:26

there's more to it than autocomplete!

22:26

othereis ?

22:26

yarly

22:26

!down 8dl8ee

22:26

shit that didn't werk!

22:28

A tragedy unfolding before our very eyes

22:29

maybe !up and !down should rely on blockchain consensus instead

22:29

...

22:30

Aha, I wrote a post about that the other day. So fed up of this "Decentralize all the things" meme

22:30

you may be glad to hear that decentralization has opened a theater next to security

22:30

Its extra efficient because every computer has to do the calculation, instead of just one!

22:31

don't forget the added benefit of having everybody explicitly, voluntarily, affirm their trust in bob

22:31

<adlai> how have you repaid it for what it did give you? << atta boy :D

22:31

now eat, eat.

22:31

you're skin an' bones.

22:32

that's got nothing to do with letat

22:32

<williamdunne> I will presume you are in the US << he's in portland. a place so infected with dumb, if you ever run into a sane woman you gotta marry her.

22:32

adlai orly ?

22:32

mircea_popescu, that seems to be a relatively common theme in many places, in fairness

22:33

sure. and for the following good reason :

22:33

admitting that the two ways any group of people could be organised as are strictly 1. it's only funny until someone loses an eye. then it's hysterical and b. minimize the discomfort of everyone an' love them whether they want to or not,

22:34

which contemporary pretender to sovereignty would you say is not organised by and for the needs, interests and preoccupations of women ?

22:34

women, of course, are relatively common in places. and so therefore...

22:35

<trinque> that is why I didn't just import the thing blindly; it worked differently than the current iteration << yeah at this point a note is called for at that <hr />

22:36

Women are more common than men

22:36

i suspect the most common gender these days is "dragon"

22:36

That is dragon-kin, thank you very much

22:37

aha.

22:37

Please treat my gender with the weight it so-deserves

22:37

because your metabolism hasn't given it enough weight already?

22:37

i dunno how i ended up with some of these and some girlie asked me how do i "identify" and i said aliphatic.

22:38

she had no idea what that is and i didn't think much of her

22:38

but for different reasons altogether.

22:38

lol adlai i gotta remember that.

22:38

If you ask anyone how they identify in that context it seems you do not deserve much thought of you

22:39

not necessarily.

22:39

how the fuck do i know.

22:39

!up WoIf`

22:39

03:37:47 - adlai: because your metabolism hasn't given it enough weight already?

22:39

http://i.imgur.com/dl09rDa.png

22:39

... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Giat )

22:39

Its hereditary shitlord

22:39

!up mxtm

22:39

ohayou

22:39

now stop derping you two and explain simply. wut ?

22:39

sup, all

22:40

oh, well WoIf` is imitating Wolf`

22:40

also spamming w/ hatred of me, yadda yadda

22:40

who are you.

22:40

i'm mxtm

22:40

How do you identify?

22:40

!gettrust mxtm

22:40

Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/mxtm | http://w.b-a.link/user/mxtm

22:40

you don't really know me, but, hi

22:40

well... that's not much.

22:40

damn wait what

22:40

i have way more than that

22:41

;;gettrust mxtm

22:41

Currently authenticated from hostmask mxtm!mxtm@azraq.mxtm.me. Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=williamdunne&dest=mxtm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mxtm | Rated since: Tue Mar 4 14:35:10 2014

22:41

yeah homm unrated me and tim-tams and me trading was a WHILE ago lol

22:41

"i am a guy who walks alone, and gets so excited if anyone mentions him that he even knows this happened".

22:41

you got any idea how many redditards/twitterwhatevers/etc run arround spamming hatred of me ?

22:41

i've heard i think

22:42

so relax, who cares.

22:42

I hate to confess, but a year ago I would have done that

22:42

done what?

22:42

you still do the vague that. that what.

22:43

Been a redditard spewing hatred towards you (mircea)

22:43

ah.

22:43

also, why does assbot have super out of date rating info on me

22:43

Assbot uses a different WoT

22:43

because the two wots split early 2015 basically.

22:43

oh i see, the wiki or whatever didn't mention that

22:44

or what i read from it

22:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120642 @ 0.00028915 = 34.8836 BTC [+] {2}

22:45

i suppose we're still hoping this may be cured with info exchange at some point.

22:45

yeh, how do i get properly in with the assbot WoT?

22:45

!register

22:45

Nick williamdunne is already taken.

22:46

!register

22:46

Nick mxtm is already taken.

22:46

!register <key fingerprint>

22:46

Nick williamdunne is already taken.

22:46

!register 33469F806B4FC09D4B06CB17D22859C77EF7256D

22:46

Nick mxtm is already taken.

22:46

... ugh

22:46

pm it !up

22:46

Oh yeah, it has info from bitcoin-otc

22:46

33469F806B4FC09D4B06CB17D22859C77EF7256D,

22:47

sorry You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)

22:47

right.

22:47

!gettrust mxtm

22:47

Trust relationship from user adlai to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/adlai/mxtm | http://w.b-a.link/user/mxtm

22:47

;;gettrust adlai

22:47

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mxtm to user adlai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mxtm&dest=adlai | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=adlai | Rated since: Sat Oct 11 10:15:58 2014

22:48

mxtm: make sure you're talking to assbot, for this channel. gribble does authentication for #bitcoin-otc

22:49

yes, i was

22:49

i know

22:50

so is there no hope for me to register with assbot then

22:50

because my nick is "already taken"

22:51

you don't need to register. you are registered already, and it knows this.

22:51

you will be able to self-voice once you are in its wot.

22:52

on gribble or on assbot or on both

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Both

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since http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#1000367 this is good enough for now

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Logged on 31-01-2015 21:36:37; mircea_popescu: the city never sleeps

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Using the same GPG key

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*

adlai needs to though.

22:52

i am using the same gpg key

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yes

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But you aren't within two steps in trust of assbot

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!gettrust assbot mxtm

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Trust relationship from user assbot to user mxtm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/mxtm | http://w.b-a.link/user/mxtm

22:53

!gettrust assbot williamdunne

22:53

Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/williamdunne | http://w.b-a.link/user/williamdunne

~ 15 minutes ~

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