#trilema | 2017-09-03

Logged on 2017-09-03 03:18 mircea_popescu: just the clue cptn breezy needs is actually north of a million bucks ; as proven by the fact that all the cptn breezys who won the loterry still couldn't afford to buy it.

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noises are nice and good, e3sp because cheap.

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( i actually egged him on in beginning, because hey, a replication is a replication, the more hostile audience the better )

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not how irl works.

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apparently

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and if there's no adult males involved in the active humiliation of females and their spawn, the realisation never occurs, "hey, ten tons of feelers and empty verbiage from me ain't work a buck, and ten minutes of that guy's applied time can buy the whole caravan of us cocksuckers".

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btw to where is cpt breezy reference ?

↖

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to the let me fish it out.\

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recall, there was a previous #humanfund thingee we visited, and there was an expert there was gonna advise me advices and things.

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and besides there's already a rng.

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waiwat

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1661116 << back in may.

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Logged on 2017-05-24 21:58 phf: asciilifeform: your thing is existentially terrifying, it demands a lot from the "user" (not sure it even accepts the notion of user) when they look at it, they see a glimpse of own mortality

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aaaa

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yea

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i can't remember what the "just as good" piece of cardboard footwear they were brandying about, but anyway.

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costs well north of a million dollars to even find someone who can be arsed to explain to you the difference.

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treating cost as scalar is bound to lead to lulz

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say yer house came with a few tonnes of firewood. then phriend asks, how much worth of wood you burned that winter.

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talking about what shit costs when you've never made any shit is bound to lead to lulz as well.

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noshit.jog

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jpg

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(kinda how socialist "economics" ends up fucked in the ass.)

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and bad blood on all sides, "oh the capitalists are corrupt and stealing from the people" "omfg these fucktards just destroyed the industry".

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and in other epic lulz : http://worldofwonder.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/kim-north-interview-mag-cover-810x960.jpg

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the mother as daughter's fashion accessory. gotta accessorize! and match those brown tones!

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lolwaat

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ikr ?

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kardashian is just hairy, she's not black.

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and in other, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709850 we have here https://crimewatchdaily.com/2017/08/22/l-a-detectives-launch-probe-into-mans-death-at-democratic-donors-home-victims-mother-urges-other-alleged-victims-to-come-forward/

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Logged on 2017-09-02 15:16 asciilifeform: when done to usg -- 'atrocity'

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(ed buck, pantsuit supporter, killed random black twink)

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and in other bimbos, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b383eab3e602e30de95ddff4653d3707/tumblr_nwadwlCbWd1uct8g7o1_1280.jpg

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say, do we have an irc bot (republican made/signed sorta thing)? ben_vulpes ? phf ? lobbes ?

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648773 << it was ##crypto , Captain_Beezay, and the item in question was "onerng".

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Logged on 2017-04-27 19:09 Framedragger: btw there are like 770 people sitting and talking on ##crypto, it might not even be 100% hopeless, curious if they would respond well to FUCKGOATS advertising

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hanbot iirc ben_vulpes published a whole thing. or was it trinque

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ah yeah i see trinque has a logbot genesis (http://trinque.org/2016/08/11/logbot-genesis/), i'll check it out. ty

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that.

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Install `ircbot`. << basically am curious if there's anything that eschews this

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hanbot it's his own sbcl lisp bot

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oh fuck me. kk i'll check it out better. :)

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-03#1710490 fucking finally dug it up! here : http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-found-some-area-of-expertise-in-mathematical-cryptography-one-expects-to-find-here-and-there-plus-divers-spots-missed-while-shaving/#selection-123.0-108.12

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Logged on 2017-09-03 04:05 asciilifeform: btw to where is cpt breezy reference ?

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mircea_popescu is curious how this goes.

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yeah this is exactly what i wanted, awesome.

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!~ticker --market all

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jhvh1

BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4566.43, vol: 12479.54716916 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4507.8, vol: 41008.85752752 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4618.3, vol: 5837.88967042 | Volume-weighted last average: 4531.00661814

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!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/RPoHG/?raw=true

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jhvh1

asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

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http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2BE34EE92A7ACD83043E8D31B2671DA99D9CFC6B94C6DE55D49E6723F827614 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1372...2199 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.64.54 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.64.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (92.243.64.54.addr.datapoint.ru. RU)

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http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2BE34EE92A7ACD83043E8D31B2671DA99D9CFC6B94C6DE55D49E6723F827614 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1632...7827 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.64.54 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.64.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (92.243.64.54.addr.datapoint.ru. RU)

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http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2AD46A5F3655ACBC7663DDF0DDB42EE61827736164708E23FCD1B6D7D30192D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1429...5833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.87.123.6 (ssh-rsa key from 200.87.123.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.peredovaldivia.com. BO L)

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http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2AD46A5F3655ACBC7663DDF0DDB42EE61827736164708E23FCD1B6D7D30192D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1607...0843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.87.123.6 (ssh-rsa key from 200.87.123.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.peredovaldivia.com. BO L)

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shinohai

Heh Bolivian IP webcams

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http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BC57309E50CEC81F8BB77CA608036612485D5676133DE4E0F153DCD05A066BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1474...8913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.242.199.104 (ssh-rsa key from 95.242.199.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host104-199-static.242-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT 57 PU)

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http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BC57309E50CEC81F8BB77CA608036612485D5676133DE4E0F153DCD05A066BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1729...5037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.242.199.104 (ssh-rsa key from 95.242.199.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host104-199-static.242-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT 57 PU)

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hola

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hey

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:]

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how goes today?

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not so bad!

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gonna go watch birds with morning coffee, bbs

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nice. ok.

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!up r0nin-

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!!up r0nin-

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r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes.

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r0nin-

hello philo-semites

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r0nin- nobody gives a shit about you. save your histrionics for your mom, if she's interested.

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http://trilema.com/2017/kim-kardashian-cameleo/ << Trilema - Kim Kardashian Cameleo

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stumbled upon http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692820 <-- *theoretically* (where theoretically = I'm mostly pulling this out of spyked arse, so hold on to eggs) possible. problems as far as I can see are 1. no. of transistors, 2. arch/microarch design, e.g. how to use general-purpose registers (assuming there are gp registers there); and I assume there might be bigger problems, some of which mentioned by asciilifeform. static checking

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Logged on 2017-08-02 20:28 mircea_popescu: to revisit a very ancient mp wonderment since his less-interested days ( http://trilema.com/2010/curiozitate-calculatoristica/ ) : why not ada-on-a-chip ?

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IMHO could be separated from "compilation" (could as well be part of ada assembler, or "program loader" if there's such a thing).

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also, there's the memory model. lisp machine "cells" are very elegant, while algol-like languages seem pretty muddy on that part. ftr, I have never seriously programmed in ada (closest thing to it was pascal)

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the question is rather which subset is suitable for building in hardware, and I guess this reduces to bounds checking and maybe other critical run-time parts (does ada have gc?)

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hm. actually, ada is used in real-time, so no gc

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danielpbarron

http://archive.is/2rCMF << Burning Man lives up to its name. P.S. He died.

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spyked yeah, mostly resolved towards lisp-on-a-chip

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danielpbarron

i chose to post the archived link because the original gives 403 forbidden error in lynx

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mircea_popescu, o, I see. also, for some reason the scenario in original trilema post sounds much more plausible today. if "gpu" monster, then why not dbpu.

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heh.

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i'm a visionary what can i tell ye.

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spyked: read about ' content-addressable memory '

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that was the meat of 'db chip' concept. idea is, flipping through N memory locs one by one, to search, is retarded

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you have wires to all of them regardless, why not as all-of-them 'where is S'

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*ask all

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asciilifeform bbl

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ah, like the ones they use in switches! yeah makes sense

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http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-trinque?d=2017-9-3#198716 << demo of a few paybot commands

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mimisbrunnr

Logged on 2017-09-03 22:12 trinque: !!balance

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^ cross channel quoting, nice!

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dun dun dun

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all that's left for a usable first cut is a payment to a particular invoice, and a command to list one's inbound and outbound invoices

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trinque deposit doesn't need verification does it ?

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and !!pay should respond "Done." if success.

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did, I had a bug and fixed

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ah it does. kk.

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then re-ran

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http://trilema.com/2017/party-monster-2/ << Trilema - Party Monster

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spiffy.

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the thought re OTP is if I don't force people to verify one, I'm letting allcomers generate "chosen-plaintext" for a particular key

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all voiced.

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if that doesn't bother anyone, can remove the step, yep.

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and you don't really have to generate ANOTHER one.

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see, way it works is, acct requests a deposit address. you look if you have one, if you don't you create and communicate. if it gets paid you sweep it, and remove it off "there's one". if it isn't paid you just reuse it next time

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this make sense or should i write example ?

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all same address for deposits.

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they're distinguished by amount

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ah ah. right, then nm.

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in fact my fee for the bot operation comes at time of deposit. say you want to deposit 5btc. it may ask you to deposit 5.00004821.

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ah and you keep the 4821 ?

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yep

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yeah, reasonable.

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danielpbarron: But was it a Disco inferno?

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only point I'm looking for an operator fee, can then do as many ops as one likes.

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and speaking of "reality winner", why not go all out with it ? Other Leigh Person.

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"and who did you see at the crime scene ?" "Other Person" "Ah, so not this one ? Thank you. Your honor, no further questions."

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Lol!

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Self indicting court reporters!

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meanwhile in butts, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8643b9d616549f295ff80d27172d179b/tumblr_npk3f6mHft1t629q4o1_500.gif

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shinohai

Looks good fer buttcoin.

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ehehe word.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705864 << for starting fires, collect the lint from your dryer, mix in a plastic zip-lock bag with equal volume of shortening

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Logged on 2017-08-29 22:50 BingoBoingo: Ah fine, I'll start keeping the sawdust/bar oil slurry

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ew synthetics nasty

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PeterL would eat foodstuffs cooked over this?!

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it is just to get the fire going, you only need a pinch

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and what synthetics, it is mostly cotton fibres

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depends whose lint trap neh

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right, does depend

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my brother-in-law said he tried it, the fires smelled horribly of dogs (he has 3 dogs)

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709989 << I was reading through the keccac documents, got about 90% of it implemented in python, then said this is ugly and horribly inefficient, I should try ada, and have been leaning ada the past couple weeks

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Logged on 2017-09-02 16:44 mircea_popescu: one major point is that other than mpfhf which has been well implemented thanks to peterl, sina and ben_vulpes (and to some degree researched -- speaking of which, still cooking ben_vulpes ?), there's keccak which HASNT yet been implemented much ; and we really could use a fixed-block hash function that's any good.

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PeterL: use the subset of ada shown in ffa. i.e. no oop, no finalizations, no tasks, no array concatenation, no heap allocation.

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none of that shit belongs in implementation of a fundamental algo .

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( bonus for when PeterL realizes that mp's hash cannot actually be implemented in sane constraints... )

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doh.

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I was looking through this https://github.com/damaki/libkeccak

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holy FUCK is that thing massive nao

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several 100 files, and why.

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i guess THIS is what they put on shithub to 'replace' the original that was deleted

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heh

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right, I think if we implement it it would be quite smaller

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speaking of github, a while ago I was reading through some random code there, and they had a variable which was about 75 characters in length. I understand trying to make your variable names meaningful, but that is just absurd!

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maybe it had to include all its tulpas.

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in implementing keccac, do we really need to have special case functions for 256 bit and 512 bit outputs? couldn't we just define it as the variable length output function and then if somebody wants 256 bit output they just choose that as the length?

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ideally

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maginumberz are evil.

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fuck magic 512, or whichever, no reason for any such thing to be carried forward.

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