Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2017-06-15 | 2017-06-17 → ↓
00:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/278F0BC1BD35C91EB35CB1FB486225C908799FE6A2265B95E232D5C2542A247D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.4.159 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.4.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
00:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CBBB1104DCE81D9FED18429F378EF9FB623BD973F9B1D6A18A6023A70078F40E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.77 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
00:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32652A860DF501D08376A8FF97AF452915B8916DD7D6F5F97D33250D3E7F72F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.0.223 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.0.223 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
00:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9A34020BD86CCFD722610615BCEA3BC872B7161FCFEB84222CAAD4208C7869B5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.14.77 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.14.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
00:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/89B9986669FC0DDDC234C7D8D296527FC8336AD24BDCEABF0945DCA3E0F4425F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.129 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
00:02 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/278F0BC1BD35C91EB35CB1FB486225C908799FE6A2265B95E232D5C2542A247D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9976...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.4.159 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.4.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
00:09 asciilifeform meanwhile, very vintage lulgem from a vintage trilema, https://archive.is/0diw9
00:12 BingoBoingo lol http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Ugly-all-the-same-Copie.jpg
00:18 trinque why did someone save four pictures of that ugly woman
00:18 trinque oh god, I'm tired, made same joke as the filename
00:18 * trinque departs!
~ 22 minutes ~
00:41 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
00:41 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2420.0, vol: 36351.35251520 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2463.671, vol: 15402.25459 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2381.1, vol: 54429.47696304 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2659.08153, vol: 18130.42470000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2416.198, vol: 15598.9621391 | Volume-weighted last average: 2440.23170351
~ 4 hours 13 minutes ~
04:54 mircea_popescu http://68.media.tumblr.com/fe7e515d179e36fa7ebad672c0393e3a/tumblr_oo1ndvcoaH1shlzkjo1_1280.jpg << these are really cool btw.
05:02 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/jduuuu/ << Trilema - Jduuuu!
~ 4 hours 28 minutes ~
09:31 mod6 mornin'
09:37 mircea_popescu heya
09:48 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes this intersectional thing is so tense! i can barely follow.
09:50 mircea_popescu but meanwhile at the "wut?" ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f06580c8ffcffc0ed52ca83472f54250/tumblr_ok9r77tKmb1vx7twgo1_500.gif
09:50 mod6 nice
10:05 * BingoBoingo wonders how mircea_popescu's local puta con leche is
10:05 mircea_popescu lol
10:05 mircea_popescu you mean puta lechera ?
10:06 BingoBoingo Nah, I mean with milk
10:06 mircea_popescu yes but with milk as in her own or not
10:08 mircea_popescu lechera here doesn't mean anything like lecherous. vaca lechera = cow which you can milk.
10:10 BingoBoingo Well that's too be determined by the response for the request
10:11 BingoBoingo Does the leche arrive in the puta, in a pitcher, in cow on leash?
10:11 mircea_popescu !!up giucciardini
10:11 deedbot giucciardini voiced for 30 minutes.
10:13 mircea_popescu why are they so broken anyway.
10:13 BingoBoingo No idea.
10:14 mircea_popescu it's like "omyGOD, the adults might have noticed me!!! QUICK PANIC PUSH THE ANY BUTTON11eleven"
10:14 BingoBoingo So today's lul is "special counsel" of many leaks Mueller is once again broadening the scope of investigation to find more leaks
10:14 BingoBoingo to leak
10:14 mircea_popescu even the leaks leak on this great sheep of state.
10:15 mircea_popescu maybe we should sell a bitcent, present the us congress with a two ton truck full of leeks.
10:15 mircea_popescu "in loving consideration of your continued leadersheep, dumbasses."
10:15 BingoBoingo Truck driver would likely be arrested. Onion futures are mega-crime in USia
10:16 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hire one of those new googlebots.
10:17 BingoBoingo But that'll spoil some raytheon contract when it makes it past their drone detectors
10:17 mircea_popescu elementarily can't have drone detectors in us congress
10:17 mircea_popescu how'd the representatives get in ?
10:18 BingoBoingo That's the one secret raytheon contractors don't want you to know!
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10:47 asciilifeform !~later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/15/the-lord-hath-no-fury-like-a-keyboard-monkey-scorned-a-beschaulich-vpatch-saga/#comment-57393 << i confess that i was unable to make sense of this
10:47 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
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11:09 Framedragger PSA, the `!$ssh` command may go offline for a while "soon", moving the db server which is used for this to a better, more tremendous place
11:09 Framedragger (scriba unaffected)
11:10 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669119 << yes can do, if no other opinions, then will do - i like the way btcbase does it now!
11:10 a111 Logged on 2017-06-12 16:15 asciilifeform: !~later tell Framedragger l0gz feature request -- turn the href in links to *.bitcoin-assets.com into btcbase ( printed text of link can remain same, in principle )
11:11 Framedragger (in truth, whole loggotron is in need of drainage, just fyi that i don't forget previous requests.. but yes, slow)
11:11 * Framedragger mostly afk due to country move and related
11:13 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/06/failed-state-to-be-removed-from-trade-partnership/ << Qntra - Failed State To Be Removed From Trade Partnership
11:13 Framedragger (oh and siphnos.mkj.lt where scan data and phuctor mirror are hosted will also be offline for a bit "some time soonish maybe")
11:15 BingoBoingo Found in the wild: "I know this is the most controversial part of my story. A few people I told this one before would instantly jump to her defense: if she felt she was harassed then she was, end of story. Who knows. As an aside, I found it extremely interesting that mentioning the guy's race instantly changed those people's minds (Pat's white, the guy who got fired was the only african american on our team)." << Victim Olympics
11:16 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667749 << sorry asciilifeform, i missed this "tell" and only saw now! hmm, key *parser* - as in, pgp parser? i don't believe you've posted that before, or i haven't seen it. at any rate you probably meant sth else that the phuctor fingerprint generator i assume?
11:16 a111 Logged on 2017-06-09 17:43 asciilifeform: !~later tell Framedragger do you perchance remember where in the logs i posted phuctor's key parser ?
11:16 Framedragger (the latter is http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/phuctor-fp.py)
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11:16 Framedragger s/else that the/else than the/
11:18 Framedragger asciilifeform: unless #2 you meant jurov's pgp packet parser but probably not? (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/pgp.py)
11:20 mircea_popescu o look who's here!
11:20 mircea_popescu when did you get out ?
11:21 Framedragger still in the cryptobannedmmkay.uk island :) off around ~5-7 july, travel for a bit (but not much), just finished handover at $ukjob, quite happy
11:22 Framedragger brexit negotiations about to start, such timing huehue
11:23 Framedragger will be relatively (entomologically?) interesting to watch from some distance away (i mean, europe is all the very same swamp, sure...)
11:24 mircea_popescu depends, hungary's not so terribru.
11:24 mircea_popescu except for the terrible food, horrible language etc. but primo whores.
11:24 mod6 i'll have to check it out
11:26 Framedragger i can believe re. whores! visited briefly. weird language, one of its kind in that branch or something like that, right?
11:26 Framedragger (also iirc .hu gobmint wanted to shut down CEU (this uni in budapest) because it had some unhappy words to say about gobmint or somesuch, but then again maybe CEU is ~liberalshit anyway, so fair)
11:26 mircea_popescu with finish
11:26 mircea_popescu i'd shut down ceu too.
11:27 mircea_popescu anywya, yes, they went rhodesia a decade-ish ago
11:28 Framedragger ah
11:34 Framedragger asciilifeform: unless #3 you meant ssh key to rfc4880 pgp converter (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/ssh-to-pgp.py), but again, prolly not. don't remember seeing any phuctor innards tbh (except for fingerprint algo), but could just be me
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11:36 diana_coman Framedragger, where are you moving to?
11:36 Framedragger .lt for the summer at least. no master plan, and right now don't feel like having one (first time i feel like that in life)
11:37 * Framedragger haz some meatwot and friends in berlin (will pay a visit in july), considering that, too, but not in a hurry
11:37 diana_coman ah, looking around Europe as it were
11:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-16#1671025 << that's exactly it Framedragger
11:38 a111 Logged on 2017-06-16 15:16 Framedragger: (the latter is http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/phuctor-fp.py)
11:38 asciilifeform it's the only snippet that was posted, or in any near future will be.
11:38 Framedragger ah, cool!
11:38 Framedragger diana_coman: yeah, not too geographically ambitious for the time being, i'faith, hm
11:39 asciilifeform Framedragger: as for 'why', see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-10#1668420 .
11:39 a111 Logged on 2017-06-10 13:19 mircea_popescu: well, in the particular case of phuctor, he has a solid point.
11:39 * Framedragger will read. need to catch up on logz, too
~ 19 minutes ~
11:59 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: it is a cruelty
12:09 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/06/amazon-to-pay-13-7-billion-us-dollars-for-brick-and-mortar-footprint/ << Qntra - Amazon To Pay 13.7 Billion US Dollars For Brick And Mortar Footprint
12:10 asciilifeform lol!
12:11 BingoBoingo The amazon capturing whole foods is most aggressive pantsuit move of the year so far
12:12 mod6 let them eat kale!
12:14 trinque clearly putting mkultra mind control substances in the quinoa
12:15 asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2017/06/amazon-to-pay-13-7-billion-us-dollars-for-brick-and-mortar-footprint/#comment-102244
12:15 asciilifeform relatedly , i went to one the other day, and saw -- i shit thee not -- ubuntufoundation-branded coffee.
12:15 trinque hey, they've got ethiopian coffee
12:16 trinque gotta wonder if the purchaser knew what an ubuntu was.
12:16 asciilifeform trinque: corner shop also has ethiopian coffee.
12:16 asciilifeform this was actual ubuntunonsense-brand, for 5x the usual price of beans
12:17 asciilifeform 'supports education in africa' or somesuch gargle
12:17 trinque https://www.ubuntucoffeecoop.com/ << looks like a different beast
12:17 asciilifeform trinque: not the same logo
12:17 asciilifeform i'ma take a photo next time i see it
12:17 asciilifeform it read 'ubuntu foundation'
12:18 * trinque would love to see
12:21 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2017/06/amazon-to-pay-13-7-billion-us-dollars-for-brick-and-mortar-footprint/#comment-102246 and http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8024
12:22 BingoBoingo Also http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/13/dc-whole-foods-fights-rodents-and-landlord/
12:23 trinque https://ycharts.com/companies/WFM/profit_margin << certainly not shockingly high
12:23 trinque https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/profit_margin
12:23 BingoBoingo "For Whole Foods, the remedy includes gutting the grocery store and rebuilding it anew, based on consultations with multiple contractors"
12:23 asciilifeform trinque: 'you aren't cleared for the TRU bookz, comrade gorbachev'
12:24 trinque lol
12:25 lobbes BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/06/failed-state-to-be-removed-from-trade-partnership/ << "the Powerball Jackpot game" link goes to about:blank?
12:25 trinque speaking of commies, I'm finding I quite enjoy sviatoslav richter
12:27 BingoBoingo lobbes: ty fxd
12:28 lobbes Aha! Elliot reference. Just as a I expected :D
12:29 BingoBoingo lol
12:30 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/06/amazon-to-pay-13-7-billion-us-dollars-for-brick-and-mortar-footprint/#comment-102248 asciilifeform
12:31 * trinque suddenly realizes that some pig is coughing in the background of this guy playing chopin, for minutes on end
12:32 trinque I guess when it's somebody important, counts as percussion
12:32 BingoBoingo ^ VErmin
12:33 asciilifeform trinque: ever been to a performance of anything where nobody sneezed ? sorta why theatres don't double as recording studios , and the latter exist as separate thing
12:33 trinque after 5th cough pls to get the fuck out.
12:43 trinque and asciilifeform is right, whole foods appears to have an army of subsidiaries, so the profit number on the mothership is a useless fiction.
12:43 asciilifeform trinque: 'pantsuit corps' like to funnel whatever profit there is into compensations for bluebloods, rather than dividends, also
12:43 asciilifeform a kind of unofficial 'nonprofit' scheme
12:45 asciilifeform anyone in usa who has not been to a wf -- visit, it is quite surreal 'disneyland of 'bay aryanism'' theme park. contains everything from 'ubuntu foundation coffee' to 'airbnb magazine' (i shit thee not)
12:46 phf asciilifeform: perhaps this http://www.ubuntu.life ?
12:46 asciilifeform phf: yes!
12:47 asciilifeform it.
12:50 phf but re wf, fwiw it's the least expensive of the pantsuit stores. there are much worse examples from both price and "ubuntu foundation" perspective. for example i have Mom's and Yes organic both within walking distance. i used to live next to dawson's in rockville. all of them are more wf than wf.
12:50 asciilifeform lol i have these here also
12:51 asciilifeform wf beats the living shit out of'em
12:51 asciilifeform on signal/noise etc
12:51 trinque texas has "central market", better selection than wf
12:52 asciilifeform wf is very much 'the lolmart of' 'highend food' in usa
12:53 phf s/n maybe. but if you're trying to buy "raw ingredients", like meat cuts, vegetables, bulk dry goods, wf is the cheapest option. can do safeway for some items, but there's a noticeable drop in quality
12:53 asciilifeform aha - scale
12:57 phf http://www.ubuntu.life/teammembers/ jesus
12:58 * asciilifeform hands phf an iron-cross-with-oak-leaves for intrepid entomology work
12:58 asciilifeform wai is the 'human resource manager' wearing a flakjacket...?!
12:59 phf they have a clothing line and everything https://ubuntumade.com
12:59 asciilifeform 'head of production' : 'i am growing : we are gonna change it all'
12:59 asciilifeform 'production manager' : 'i am a DIVA : we are the future of tomorrow'
12:59 mod6 lmao
13:00 * asciilifeform maxed out dosimeter
13:00 trinque one side of that transaction doesn't look like it's eating too well
13:00 phf BOARD MEMBER i am inspired by children at UBUNTU school : we are working hard to help them reach their potential
13:01 phf BOARD PRESIDENT; EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE CHAIR i am loving and capable : we are miracles
13:14 * Framedragger just got reverse-poe-law'd. apparently this isn't parody, omg
13:15 BingoBoingo Oh?
13:17 Framedragger ah, just that all this time i was thinking #t was making fun of wannabe-board-member derps, but the above ^ are actual quotes
13:20 trinque ah god they're from Austin, too.
13:22 asciilifeform oh noez, maga valhalla infested!111
13:23 trinque californians have been swarming in.
13:27 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5123A750E7EB3C5AA409ED550A847E392FA6FA40F440E88D3DFB6DD98F63EAE7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1477...1307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '179.191.83.166 (ssh-rsa key from 179.191.83.166 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mvx-179-191-83-166.mundivox.com. BR)
13:27 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5123A750E7EB3C5AA409ED550A847E392FA6FA40F440E88D3DFB6DD98F63EAE7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1683...0803 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '179.191.83.166 (ssh-rsa key from 179.191.83.166 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mvx-179-191-83-166.mundivox.com. BR)
~ 36 minutes ~
14:03 ben_vulpes "new seasons" is pretty choice
14:05 * trinque misses it.
~ 17 minutes ~
14:23 ben_vulpes ahaha creative director: "i am creating : we are inspiring"
14:24 ben_vulpes > i am obedient
14:24 ben_vulpes why is it that only the white austin team has animated pics
14:24 ben_vulpes hm? HM?
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15:22 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/06/leftistfrench-batters-woman-during-her-visit-to-market-over-objections-to-her-campaign/ << Qntra - LeftistFrench Batters Woman During Her Visit To Market Over Objections To Her Campaign
15:25 BingoBoingo tit-le fxd
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16:58 BingoBoingo https://i.redditmedia.com/eqWytWUtXWkDfdLSxRfzmV7t9r54kFBd35fovMbIea8.jpg?w=979&s=e226eae1ae23a27cc95555da99f8585e
17:00 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
17:00 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2492.83, vol: 16148.30827408 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2473.308, vol: 7145.31136 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2445.8, vol: 25624.84666402 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2712.568932, vol: 14523.43730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2486.459, vol: 9171.34558406 | Volume-weighted last average: 2517.45782855
17:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lel, gotta be a photoshit
17:01 BingoBoingo How sure?
~ 43 minutes ~
17:44 BingoBoingo !!Up punto
17:44 deedbot punto voiced for 30 minutes.
17:45 BingoBoingo Hola punto! Who is your daddy and what does he do?
~ 45 minutes ~
18:31 sina morning tmsr
18:46 phf ben_vulpes: i think they took one group photo of the afrian team (you can see it elsewhere) and then cut it for profile pictures
18:46 asciilifeform in other lullariae, http://www.vitorian.com/x1/archives/265 ( https://archive.is/LfwZH ) >> 'A 100% American Technology Company'
18:51 asciilifeform meanwhile, in spam : 'wanted: Vulnerability Researcher and Patriot. Vulnerability Researcher Do you critique the narrative and technology displayed on Mr. Robot? Do you like to wear a hoodie… always with the hood up? Do you have a haircut inspired by anime? NO?!! We guess that’s okay, as long as you can do some of the things listed below… and have a minimum of a Top Secret security clearance? .... IDA Pro ... x86' etc etc
18:51 asciilifeform i couldn't make these up if i tried.
18:51 mircea_popescu dorks.
18:52 asciilifeform 'Applicants selected for employment will be subject to a Federal background investigation and must meet additional eligibility requirements for access to classified information or materials.'
18:54 sina you get what you advertise for
18:54 sina http://www.yodaiken.com/2017/06/16/the-c-standard-committee-effort-to-kill-c-continues/
18:54 asciilifeform sina : see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665170 .
18:54 a111 Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
18:55 asciilifeform and likewise http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664 .
18:55 a111 Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
18:56 sina asciilifeform: maybe if you don't want the hoodie job you can work for https://www.torproject.org/about/jobs-browserdeveloper.html.en
18:56 mircea_popescu o hey, mi viaje!
18:56 asciilifeform sina: lol
18:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform also local branch of appletel is hiring! JAVA!
18:57 asciilifeform 'Uninitialized memory has been used as a source of entropy to seed random number generators in OpenSSL, DragonFly BSD, OpenBSD, and elsewhere.10 If accessing an indeterminate value is undefined behavior, however, compilers may optimize out these expressions, resulting in predictable values.' << bonus lol
18:57 sina that's my fav line
18:57 mircea_popescu undefined behaviour != indeterminate values ffs.
18:57 asciilifeform 'hey we neutron bombed yer house' 'but at least the rats died'
18:58 mircea_popescu !#s turbulent flow
18:58 a111 9 results for "turbulent flow", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=turbulent%20flow
18:58 sina oh yeah I started working on an ircbot!
18:58 sina https://github.com/sinner-/chessbot
18:58 mircea_popescu sina what in ?
18:58 sina prototype in python for now, deciding whether to proceed in that lang or not
18:58 * asciilifeform has been working on the ~same ~20 lines of code for past... 6wks
18:58 mircea_popescu use supybot carcass then
18:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform now you know why you can't have a job!
18:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: job is ~different~ 20ln lel
18:59 mircea_popescu black chicks coding have better loc productivity than you
18:59 asciilifeform chicks (as in the kind that hatch from egg) probably also
19:00 mircea_popescu cluckboard!
19:00 asciilifeform asciilifeform notices that his desk has an uncanny resemblance to the one in 'ascension of alfred'
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19:01 mircea_popescu lol
19:01 mircea_popescu ALFred, geddit ?
19:01 asciilifeform apparently!
19:01 asciilifeform whole room, in point of fact
19:07 lobbes <mircea_popescu> use supybot carcass then << aye. 'tis what lobbesbot (and I think jhvh1) run on, sina
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19:08 lobbes or, even better, check out trinque's lispbot
19:08 lobbes I one day aim to migrate lobbesbot functions over to that.. but many things in the hopper before then
19:12 * Framedragger used sopel successfully. would also like to eventually migrate to ircbot/logbot, tho
19:13 sina literally everyone I know https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/listening
19:15 sina for some reason I feel mircea_popescu will enjoy this tweet https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/listening
19:15 sina oop
19:15 sina https://twitter.com/Free_Ross/status/875472042035949569
19:15 mircea_popescu not setup to read tweets atm. what is it ?
19:15 sina ".@Coinbase disabled the #FreeRoss account after receiving 16.5 #Bitcoin this morning. We need that for Ross' defense"
19:15 asciilifeform sina: that ain't milk coming from the dead cow, it's corpsejuice
19:15 mircea_popescu idiots. why use known scam ?
19:16 mircea_popescu o, right, because they're all about FIXING the socialist tub so it can CONTINUE FOR LONGER
19:18 sina I knew you'd like it
19:18 mircea_popescu not sure i'd go as far as all that.
19:21 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the era of erudite crackpotteries, https://archive.is/QH2bk >> 'July 28, 2003 // Magic Flight is an algorithm for public key exchange which is based on a lossy commutative mixer constructed from products of primes. The basic operation involves an underlying ring-like algebra which does not have multiplicative inverses, and may not have additive inverses. The elimination of additive inverses (cancellation) is intended
19:21 asciilifeform to prevent standard algebraic methods of solution.'
19:22 mircea_popescu the "does not have" is a remarkably strong claim
19:23 * asciilifeform does not endorse $subj
19:23 asciilifeform posted for historical purposes.
19:23 asciilifeform ( at some point i'ma get around to sawing the thing open an' seeing if it contains salvageables )
19:24 mircea_popescu i dun get what exactly is the need for another key exchange algo.
19:24 asciilifeform none!!
19:24 asciilifeform that ain't the (potentially) interesting bit.
19:25 mircea_popescu the properties of constructed algebras are the pre-haskell mathwank.
19:25 mircea_popescu and i mean this very literally.
19:25 asciilifeform pre- mainscurrent wank
19:25 mircea_popescu not wank then yet.
19:25 mircea_popescu back when peopel like bannach and bolyai were doing it.
19:25 mircea_popescu much like kandisnky isn't yet wank.
19:25 asciilifeform aha!
19:26 asciilifeform 'wank' in same sense as boolean algebra..
19:26 asciilifeform sorta why asciilifeform goes a-spelunkin' in old maths crackpotteries. every decade back ~doubles the snr
19:27 mircea_popescu just about. problem is that the basis is so narrow you need like five or six doublings.
19:27 asciilifeform http://users.rcn.com/pjsteuert/ << lol, poor lone soldier
19:28 asciilifeform wonder if he's alive still somewhere.
19:30 trinque https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-steuert-528a6525/ << eh?
19:31 asciilifeform who knows if same
19:31 asciilifeform but if yes... belly of the beast. RIP.
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20:56 danielpbarron !!key Keira_
20:56 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/C749882BD8DA745D08AED799E2412274349F8219.asc
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21:15 mircea_popescu meanwhile in cheap ho-tels, http://68.media.tumblr.com/c7244ea521976e6ebab5ebbc69a8e56f/tumblr_ojztapZSp61w3shn6o1_1280.jpg
21:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/28BBDCC61450814CF3F22DEFA6FD7B74BCF4C1D4A007F3AAB3D611350E614CD0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1059...1187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.2.36.167 (ssh-rsa key from 198.2.36.167 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rrcs-198-2-36-167.west.biz.rr.com. US CA)
21:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/819BC7DB3450C9B9EF5D0AD24E6DF1ABD58A79A1962DB4FB76BD9965837C890B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1069...5599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.193.84.241 (ssh-rsa key from 66.193.84.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (66-193-84-241.static.twtelecom.net. US NY)
21:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/28BBDCC61450814CF3F22DEFA6FD7B74BCF4C1D4A007F3AAB3D611350E614CD0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1069...5599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.2.36.167 (ssh-rsa key from 198.2.36.167 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rrcs-198-2-36-167.west.biz.rr.com. US CA)
21:18 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/819BC7DB3450C9B9EF5D0AD24E6DF1ABD58A79A1962DB4FB76BD9965837C890B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1229...0123 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '66.193.84.241 (ssh-rsa key from 66.193.84.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (66-193-84-241.static.twtelecom.net. US NY)
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22:48 phf Enlightenment window manager is "fully committed to moving to Wayland eventually as this is definitely the future of the graphical display layer on Linux." etc.
22:48 asciilifeform ahahaha
22:48 mircea_popescu what's wayland ?
22:48 asciilifeform !#s wayland
22:48 a111 15 results for "wayland", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wayland
22:49 asciilifeform e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450738 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455551 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-13#1602505
22:49 a111 Logged on 2016-04-12 23:01 asciilifeform: and iirc 'wayland' is one of those infuriating idiocies where 'want remote proggy? here's a DESKTOP, in a 1024x768 box'
22:49 a111 Logged on 2016-04-22 12:42 phf: but freezing effectively implies lockstep freezing of the whole environment, to hardware. ("oh we deprecated x11, your code better support wayland. oh this new video card only supports wayland, since x11 is deprecated, etc."]
22:49 a111 Logged on 2017-01-13 23:41 asciilifeform: from comments, lulzgold, 'The Hivemind is fully committed to systemd for service management, Wayland for graphical display, and PulseAudio for audio, which is why it doesn’t matter if you personally find them distasteful, they will become the de facto standard. For systems programming, Rust looks increasingly like it will be the Hivemind’s choice to replace C, as it has the backing of the Mozilla organization, is being used for r
22:49 asciilifeform poetteringization of x11.
22:52 phf noticed this while looking for imlib2 sources
22:53 phf which is apparently https://git.enlightenment.org/legacy/imlib2.git now. legacy, see
23:02 sina "Report: 7 Percent of Americans Think Brown Cows Make Chocolate Milk"
23:07 phf you've lived in u.s. too long when you think "oh, hmm, that's not that bad actually!"
23:07 mircea_popescu heh
23:07 asciilifeform ^
23:09 mircea_popescu this "poor idiots make standards -- doesn't matter what lords thnk" nonsense is it's very own kind of poetteringization.
23:09 mircea_popescu windows WILL NEVER BE a standardf.
23:10 mircea_popescu BECAUSE i do not use it.
23:10 mircea_popescu the ONLY WAY anything can matter is if ~I~ use it.
23:13 sina mircea_popescu: you use wordpress tho :P
23:13 phf some people when they come back to old homestead take certain perverse pleasure in learning that joe now sucks cock for meth, while molly is married with three kids to a cop that beats her. not i, i'm sad to see my childhood friends debase themselves so
23:16 sina I got nothing against Wayland.
23:16 mircea_popescu it's called mp-wp
23:16 sina at least Wayland apps can't keylog other Wayland apps like X can
23:16 mircea_popescu sina if you made them, at least.
23:16 mircea_popescu koch's styill can, i'm, sure.
23:17 sina I'm not saying it's the best thing ever, but X needs to die, and only a few people are doing the work to kill it
23:17 asciilifeform how about the folx trying to make it die, die instead.
23:18 asciilifeform preferably very painfully.
23:18 phf sina: did you read that on reddit?
23:19 mircea_popescu well, let's instead examine priors. sina and why must it die ?
23:19 sina phf: read what?
23:21 sina mircea_popescu: my main gripe is that X apps aren't isolated from each other, so they can tamper easily. I don't really like it that a vulnerability in, e.g. xeyes, can read firefox memory, or whatever.
23:21 mircea_popescu no apps on any x86 machine are isolated from each other.
23:22 sina so that makes it OK for a given X app to be able to log keys from another X app?
23:22 mircea_popescu ie, you are reacting to the empty tank light coming on by trying to buy a car without one
23:23 mircea_popescu no, it does not make it ok. it also does not make it ok for some snake oil salesman to sell his "better" shitpie.
23:23 mircea_popescu the republic is well weary of such charlatans, chiefly because their ~only offering encountered experimentally sooner or later boils down to "vote hillary"
23:25 sina the republic is, as you like to say, a sovereign entity, can do whatever it likes, including ignoring the existence of software produced by people it deems as charlatans
23:25 mircea_popescu this is so.
23:25 mircea_popescu or for that matter, it can not ignore it, and exploit the holes for great ethlulz.
23:25 mircea_popescu or it can laugh ass off at them and publicly humiliater
23:25 mircea_popescu or it can send assassins to peel the skin off their children in the night while they watch in horror.
23:25 mircea_popescu and so following. what of it ?
23:26 sina I'm trying to remember that thing you said when I was asking about the php mpfhf
23:26 mircea_popescu im sure it's in the glorious logs!
23:28 sina http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667824
23:28 a111 Logged on 2017-06-09 22:38 mircea_popescu: "works in the sense that it does something, not in the sense it does what it should"
23:28 mircea_popescu lel
23:28 phf sina: could you explain the difference between how keylogger issue manifests in x11 vs. how wayland prevents it, with some technical details?
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23:29 mircea_popescu phf i doubt he's anything more than simply pissed at the rather famous x thing.
23:29 mircea_popescu it's one of those outrageous items.
23:30 phf that much is obvious from what he said so far, but i thought maybe he'll choose to think about it a little bit
23:30 mircea_popescu in time!
23:30 * phf simmers down
23:30 mircea_popescu phf is wise beyond his years.
23:31 sina phf: mostly my opinion based on this article https://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com.au/2011/04/linux-security-circus-on-gui-isolation.html
23:32 asciilifeform 'Windows is the only one mainstream OS I'm aware of, that actually attempts to implement some form of GUI-level isolation, starting from Windows Vista. See e.g. this ancient article I wrote in the days when I used Vista at my primary laptop.'
23:32 * asciilifeform falls down.
23:33 mircea_popescu windows vista is so aptly named, like one of those florida retirement things. "rancho linda vista" etc
23:33 asciilifeform ^ for n00bz -- this is verbatim Official usg doctrine -- i.e. the ostensible reason why winblowz is mandatory at nsa etc
23:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform maybe not at nsa, but eg at puerto rico / united ass-fucked emirates, etc.
23:33 sina did you rush to paste that before continue reading? she's aware of the limitations and nobody says "use windows"
23:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mandatory at nsa
23:33 sina I'm not even a fan of Joanna or Qubes OS Xen junk
23:34 asciilifeform sina: i read it back when.
23:34 sina I just pointing out the issue illustrated there
23:34 phf sina: yes, but do you understand the ~technical details~
23:34 sina X apps receive *all* keyboard input
23:34 sina Wayland apps don't
23:34 sina yay
23:34 mircea_popescu sometimes i suspect asciilifeform has octopus helmet but with eyes, reads like that.
23:34 asciilifeform sina: ever meet a fella who bought reinforced iron door to put in a drywall flat , with ground floor windows ?
23:34 phf sina: that's an extreme oversimplification that is also not true
23:35 sina phf: it's not true that X apps receive all kb input?
23:35 phf no
23:36 mircea_popescu sina trivially verified, open two gui editors, type in one , check the other.
23:36 phf see architecturally wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
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23:37 phf x11 allows you to attach your own windows to a window hierarchy, that starts with root window
23:37 phf on any of those windows you can put masks for what kind of events you want to receive
23:38 phf root, being a special window receives all the events (that's very handwavy but closer to truth)
23:38 phf those events then propagate down the window hierarchy
23:38 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: mandatory at nsa << Per "Reality Winner Mc Moon Unit"'s orders
23:38 sina fair, let me rephrase and you tell me if still not true: x apps have access to receive all keyboard input
23:38 phf an application can choose to register events on root window and thus receive all the keyboarding events that come in (or mouse events)
23:39 sina to me, the distinction between "X apps receive all keyboard input" and "X apps have access to receive all keyboard input" is negligible
23:39 phf sina: can you wait till i finish my explanation
23:39 sina sorry
23:39 sina continue
23:40 phf in addition there's a RECORD extension that allows any application to register for all keyboard events irrespective of their destination
23:40 phf that one is used for things like screen recording, and is optional. it doesn't otherwise respect the hierarchy
23:41 sina I have no beef with that extension
23:42 phf a security minded application can do what's known as a server grab, which isolates a chosen window and makes it a new root as far as events are concerned
23:42 phf so now it doesn't matter who's registered for what, the only windows that will be receiving events are those in the server grab hierarchy, i.e. your chosen window and its children
23:44 phf (there's a handful of other extensions that might potentially be used to subvert that mechanism, but likewise they are not mandatory and can be disabled like XTEST)
23:44 phf if you simply load an x app, attach it to root, and start grabbing all the events then you can come to same conclusion as any random chick with a blog "omg all teh events"
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23:45 phf but if you were to actually repeat that same exercise when gnupg pinentry is asking you for password you'll see that it doesn't work
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23:45 phf it still works though when xterm is asking you for password because xterm doesn't know it's a password entry, and doesn't do a grab
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23:45 mircea_popescu the cogent objection to x is that "design irrespective, something this fucking long can never be good." the redditard objection to x is "omaygerd, black chix code!"
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23:46 phf never the less ~xterm~ specifically supports server grab for people who know what they are doing (i.e. not the lunix on desktop crowd)
23:46 sina phf: ok that is pretty interesting and I didn't know
23:46 phf but anyway, all of this is at all relevant why? because of the first things i said, i.e. x11 lets clients ~from network~ or ~from other users~ to connect to your session
23:47 phf those clients are isolated, in one case by machine, in the other case by unix isolation, and can't do the obvious thing, that is read the memory of your password requesting process directly
23:47 phf so you could, theoretically connect to a compromised ssh box, with your x11 tunneling enabled, and get a silent agent snooping your keyboard
23:48 phf and this is where we come to wayland
23:48 phf wayland "mitigates" keylogger issue by not fucking letting you start apps either as a remote user or ~even as a different user on same machine~
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23:49 phf so any wayland app that has access to your wayland session by the obvious implications can do the obvious thing: gpg encrypt all your files, steal all your passwords, and send compromising emails to all your friends, because as should be obvious that app has access to everything else you have access too oh my fucking god the level of retardation i can't even.
23:50 mircea_popescu phf's capacity to scale an explanation is well impressive.
23:50 sina sure, as can any application in the dac model
23:51 sina if you trust the software you can mitigate with whatever sandbox and if you don't then you need hw compartments, different issue
23:52 sina phf: finished? the discussion about server grab is appreciated. links to docs or examples appreciated also
23:53 sina !!rate phf 5 patient explanation of X server grab (http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671304)
23:53 a111 Logged on 2017-06-17 03:36 phf: see architecturally wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
23:53 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Oxgfk/?raw=true
23:54 phf man XGrabKeyboard
23:54 sina !!v A07AB95DDCF240C19AECC10DB3102290DD17B353D9E3B04E88E8257368237C1E
23:54 deedbot sina rated phf 5 << patient explanation of X server grab (http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671304)
23:56 sina https://github.com/keepassx/keepassx/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=XGrabKeyboard&type= :'(
23:58 mircea_popescu but try the command line ?
23:58 sina mircea_popescu: commandline keepassx?
23:59 mircea_popescu man XGrabKeyboard
23:59 sina oh, yeah, I read through that, and wanted to see if the password manager I use was utilising it ala gpg pinentry that phf mentioned
23:59 sina tis not
23:59 mircea_popescu ah
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