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00:00 BingoBoingo !!up erlehmann
00:00 deedbot erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
00:04 mircea_popescu meanwhile in spatial geometry, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6fb688cfd739d379bebd42697cc76871/tumblr_opboqorfJH1uwdmljo1_1280.jpg
00:12 BingoBoingo Oh my that must be some cold glass!
00:14 BingoBoingo Truefax https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/1930563
00:16 BingoBoingo https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/1931664
00:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1669938 >> 'Replace your public email with an inbox that pays you Set up a 21 profile to receive paid messages from people outside your network. Keep the money, or donate it to charities like Black Girls Code. It's like LinkedIn InMail, except you get paid!'
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00:18 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 03:56 BingoBoingo: And it appears 21.co killed their node tracker
00:18 asciilifeform ^ is what appears there nao
00:19 BingoBoingo Well it shouldn't have been so fat. Nao it's got butterbrain.
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00:19 asciilifeform 'oh noez, everyone on www can see that gavintron-of-the-day has ~0 nodes' 'must deleeeet!111 node viewrr'
00:22 asciilifeform lizard rep : 'why cantya just put in faeks' 21co gauleiter : 'oh but we always listed ip and port, folx can try and connect, so nao you gotta make at least aws sybils' lizard : 'mno, won't do, just nuke it'
00:23 mircea_popescu black girls code ?!
00:24 asciilifeform for all asciilifeform knows, there is also 'giraffes code'
00:24 asciilifeform 'charity'
00:24 mircea_popescu i have never seen a african-american (which is very dubiously black, but anyway) female coding.
00:25 asciilifeform next : 'black code MATTERS' (tm)(r)
00:30 erlehmann mircea_popescu maybe that is exactly the point. making it happen, i mean.
00:30 mircea_popescu sorry, what's the context here ?
00:31 mircea_popescu !!up erlehmann
00:31 deedbot erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
00:32 erlehmann 1. person rarely sees black girls code 2. person decides this to be an injustice 3. person founds charity with intention to align world with personal sense of justice
00:33 erlehmann (well, that's *one* plausible story)
00:33 asciilifeform asciilifeform also has not seen them working arc welders. when charity for ~this~ ??
00:33 asciilifeform ... and it pays better, typically, than programmer.
00:33 asciilifeform and unionized.
00:33 asciilifeform so when 'Black Gurlz Weld' ?
00:34 asciilifeform where do i send cheque ?
00:34 erlehmann i suspect welding might not have enough prestige to get that attention. but that's speculation.
00:34 asciilifeform who thinks that programmer has 'prestige' still, is smoking strong tobacco.
00:35 mircea_popescu erlehmann ah ah i see. well, why is person dedicated to seeing specific classes of people code ? i don't care.
00:35 mircea_popescu let them code if they want to, what.
00:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform srsly, arc welders. not to mention that unlike "coders", welding is actually skilled profession.
00:36 erlehmann originally i assumed that this kind of activism works like “i measured variable X, which is a proxy for injustice, let's just fix X by some means”
00:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aaha
00:36 mircea_popescu erlehmann ima make a charity for gluing all odometers to the same value, wtf.
00:37 erlehmann i once crowdfunded new underpants for a known troll who lost them during moving. people donated 300€.
00:37 mircea_popescu nuts.
00:37 erlehmann i did not donate. lesson: other people care about things i do not care about.
00:37 mircea_popescu either that or they're just stupid / inspired by satan.
00:38 erlehmann or greedy
00:38 asciilifeform printolade has this effect, where idiots are awash in >subsistence moneys. prick'em and they bleed it -- like ground once gushed with delicious petro without so much as proper drilling in 19th c
00:38 mircea_popescu after all they buy "music records" and whatnot.
00:39 asciilifeform aha
00:39 asciilifeform and 'harry potters' etc
00:39 mircea_popescu erlehmann how's greedy go ? they don't get anything for the underpants subscription do they ?
00:40 erlehmann warm fuzzy feeling
00:40 asciilifeform the evaporation of the buying power of said printolade, also nuked the immune systems of the chumps,
00:40 erlehmann re activism, i suspected quotas work like “we found that women talk significantly less in our gatherings than men, even though they represent ⅔ of in-group. this is an injustice. let's make a rule that men can't talk more, that'll fix it”
00:40 mircea_popescu i suppose maybe it's a conversation piece, "pay 10 euro and get to avoid how obviously you lack anything to say for one evening"
00:40 asciilifeform e.g. 'this dollar here, i can buy literally NOTHING with, why not drop it on Shitstarter'
00:40 mircea_popescu erlehmann this sounds so fucking stupid it is probably swedish.
00:40 asciilifeform erlehmann: this literally happened at 'occupy wallstreet'
00:41 asciilifeform i watched with own eyes.
00:41 erlehmann my criticism regarding such stuff was that fixing the measured variable does not fix the injustice and might even create perverse incentives
00:41 mircea_popescu hence the odometer remark.
00:41 asciilifeform i mean literally. as in , as erlehmann described.
00:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they really had absolutely nothing to say, did they.
00:41 asciilifeform i might even have it filmed, collecting dust.
00:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: noshit.jpg
00:41 mircea_popescu just 100% "i'm here to take selfies of having been here for my fb page"
00:41 erlehmann asciilifeform i had such an experience in a group as well
00:42 erlehmann not at OWS, of course
00:42 erlehmann also i stopped attending the group soon after i learned about that
00:42 mircea_popescu erlehmann i still have nfi what can be just or injust about ELECTIVE FUCKING BEHAVIOUR.
00:43 mircea_popescu guess what, more black girls ride black cock than azns! THE INJUSTIwhat ?
00:43 erlehmann oh, people can be weird about stuff. peer pressure, etc. pp.
00:43 erlehmann at the conference i was at the weekend there was a workshop on anal exploration
00:43 erlehmann spoiler: i did not learn anything new
00:44 erlehmann intro was teaching people about asking potentially offensive consent questions.
00:44 erlehmann like, making them able to
00:45 mircea_popescu the what ?!
00:45 mircea_popescu jesus.
00:45 erlehmann i know i have no problems asking whatever, in most circumstances. EV of asking a person for sexual favors is positive in many situations.
00:45 erlehmann many people know this
00:45 erlehmann and still have problems asking (which is elective behaviour)
00:46 erlehmann or even saying no (which also is)
00:46 mircea_popescu if i were a woman, i'd be seriously put off by some dude who wanted to give me anal fissures and isntead of fucking asking me about it, recited some recipe he had found online / at some conference / whatever the fuck.
00:46 mircea_popescu "gee, you sound exactly like the other fifty schmucks. don't they have men where you're from ?"
00:48 erlehmann so for example a women came up to me and asked “can i smack your ass?”. i consented, she did just that. when i asked, if i can do the same to me, she declined. a weird moment occurred when she told me a few moments later that she only declined because she wanted to practice saying no.
00:48 erlehmann weirds me out
00:48 erlehmann apologizing for such stuff
00:48 mircea_popescu whole thing sounds like a retard reservation, really.
00:48 erlehmann it actually turns me off if people instead of saying “no” outright start to tell a story about their issues i might or might not want to hear (even if true)
00:49 mircea_popescu stuff should have been done in junior high, that's why it's even there.
00:49 mircea_popescu well, that and the multiplication table.
00:50 erlehmann regarding elective behaviour, peer pressure works
00:51 erlehmann regarding welding: https://www.arc-zone.com/blog/carmenelectrode/about/tips-for-women-in-the-welding-industry/
00:52 erlehmann note “It’s estimated that only 5% of welders in the U.S. are women.”
00:52 erlehmann implying injustice
00:52 mircea_popescu sounds about right
00:52 erlehmann but also: writer had no idea that welding was a good career option
00:52 mircea_popescu the % part, not the redditardesque interpretation thereof. there's nothing just or injust about % distributions of elective behaviours.
00:53 mircea_popescu it's actually twice as good as any collegiate bullshit of the "Criminology" ilk, in the sense that a welder can support a fucktoy, but two "college degreed" nobodies can barely afford a cat. if they scrounge.
00:54 erlehmann people often elect to do stupid shit because their peers do it. if a person during 1990ies looks like a member of the trenchcoat mafia on stock photos it is entirely possible that they came up with it independently. very unlikely, though.
00:55 mircea_popescu i do not credit this because one whit. what proof do you have to support the notion ?
00:55 asciilifeform plenty to go from , from welding also -- a crane operator can support 2-3 fucktoys
00:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think i have a story about a plumber. supported a buncha them.
00:55 erlehmann mircea_popescu i have problems parsing “i do not credit this because one whit.”
00:55 asciilifeform aaha but i was speaking of the very threadbare usian world asciilifeform actually lives in, vs porn plumber planet
00:55 erlehmann why would one want to support other people if considering them fucktoys?
00:56 mircea_popescu erlehmann you said "people do because peers do". i do not see any grounds for the proposed causation.
00:56 mircea_popescu erlehmann for the fun of toying.
00:56 erlehmann mircea_popescu are you aware of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments ?
00:56 mircea_popescu why would one support other people if they DIDNT consider them some kind of toys ?
00:56 mircea_popescu erlehmann i am aware, yes.
00:57 erlehmann i see stuff like that everywhere. might be confirmation bias, though.
00:57 mircea_popescu are you aware you could increase your lifespan by 5 years by becoming a woman ?
00:57 mircea_popescu it's not even confirmation bias. it's just inept bullshit.
00:57 erlehmann care to explain?
00:57 asciilifeform 'get married, grow taller'
00:57 mircea_popescu yes. but first, you ever read for instance the story of the airplanes ?
00:58 erlehmann probably not. i have no idea what you are referring to right now.
00:58 mircea_popescu alright, here : http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/
00:59 mircea_popescu say when you've read it and we continue the discussion of statistics, correlation, causation, proofs and so on. it's certainly a conversation worth having.
00:59 erlehmann ok
01:07 mircea_popescu !!up erlehmann
01:07 deedbot erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
01:12 mircea_popescu !!gettrust deedbot erlehmann
01:12 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
01:12 mircea_popescu erlehmann try voicing yourself, save us the hassle.
01:17 mircea_popescu erlehmann say !!up in pm to deedbot, then say !!v ah there you go.
01:18 erlehmann i just automated parts of it, that is why it took some time
01:18 mircea_popescu aite.
01:22 erlehmann i read the airplane text. i like it, actually. tits-in-dirt accounting, breast-fixated fuckwits, slutty statistics – that text might fit into any queer zine for all the wrong reasons.
01:22 mircea_popescu lel.
01:22 mircea_popescu ok, so now, let me ask you a question :
01:22 erlehmann also women of either gender!
01:23 mircea_popescu suppose i own a company, as i happen to. suppose this company employs one hundred widget lickers, as it doesn't. suppose one day one widget licker dies, and i advertise the open position. suppose one hundred candidates present themselves, and one is selected. suppose this happens a few times over a year, and over the years.
01:23 mircea_popescu would it be fair for me to go before the shareholders and say, "our company employs the top of the top in widget lickers, only the first percentile ever make it in" ?
01:24 erlehmann ha
01:25 mircea_popescu but you are right on the subsidiary point, trilema is essentially a queer zine for the 1%.
01:26 erlehmann i know this “we hire only the best” meme and would consider it dishonest, but maybe acceptable if used as idiot gauge.
01:27 mircea_popescu mno. specifically :
01:27 erlehmann failing to see the difference between “best who applied” and “best in industry” → back to logic school
01:27 mircea_popescu consider there are one hundred companies, just like mine. consider that whenever one of our widget licker leaves one company, another one hires him. consider that there's 99 idle fucktards who aren't qualified to drive, who also show up EVERY TIME, but are never selected.
01:28 erlehmann even more hilarious when companies narrow pool through “must live in SF”
01:28 mircea_popescu whenever you hire, you hire "one of the guys that could be hired", NOT "one of the guys that showed up under the apparent hallucinatory notion that they could be hired".
01:28 erlehmann i get it
01:28 mircea_popescu erlehmann exactly. so now, that's the source of the whole "get married - grow two inches" mockeries.
01:29 erlehmann so
01:29 mircea_popescu it is also the fundament of stuff like http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/
01:29 erlehmann i read that already
01:30 mircea_popescu ie : just because lincoln destroyed the republic under the pretext of "destroying the ghetto" does not mean there's no more ghetto. slaves are slaves, men are men. the republic is in shambles, that's it.
01:30 mircea_popescu alright, i guess that brings us in sync then.
01:30 mircea_popescu now. did you want to ask something ?
01:30 erlehmann about the text?
01:31 mircea_popescu about something. originally this started by you making a comment and me asking to sync first.
01:31 mircea_popescu i thought.
01:31 erlehmann i guess were chatting about people conforming to their peers regarding elective behaviour. i think most do. if i understood you correctly, you do not share that opinion.
01:32 mircea_popescu i do not.
01:32 mircea_popescu do cells conform to their peers regarding genotype expression ?
01:33 erlehmann i do not feel confident enough in my knowledge about biology to be able to answer that one.
01:34 erlehmann mircea_popescu something like this, maybe? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28406206
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01:34 mircea_popescu alright. if you observe a parking lot, and see there are a lot of similar tubs on wheels there, do you expect the cars conform to their neighbours ?
01:34 erlehmann money quote
01:34 erlehmann > We analysed time series of lizard scale colour dynamics over four years of their development and demonstrate that this pattern is produced by a cellular automaton (a grid of elements whose states are iterated according to a set of rules based on the states of neighbouring elements) that dynamically computes the colour states of individual mesoscopic skin scales to produce the corresponding macroscopic colour pattern.
01:34 mircea_popescu alright ?
01:34 erlehmann not sure if this can be called conforming
01:35 erlehmann mircea_popescu i get the car analogy. i would not ascribe agency to the car, therefore i might at best assume that car owners conform to their neighbours.
01:35 mircea_popescu and why would you ascribe agency to the average muppet ?
01:35 mircea_popescu what, if any, is the actual basis of this notion ?
01:38 mircea_popescu leaving the theory aside, from actual, observed practice -- the muppets don't conform to their neighbours, but are conformed to their neighbours. by the muppet owners, yes.
01:38 erlehmann i see where you are going with this
01:38 mircea_popescu alrighty.
01:39 mircea_popescu and obviously this all ties directly into my blasting of the whole "Social learning" lulz on trilema and here recently, if you've been following that.
01:41 erlehmann well, that would be one critique for the quota/empowerment thingy (would you say “quotatron”?): a theater for persons with characteristics might end up with persons that exhibits the characteristics, without changing something about society.
01:41 mircea_popescu but the fundamental problem is that it, characteristically, pretends there's 0 indirection layers.
01:42 erlehmann indeed
01:42 mircea_popescu much like google, pretending bayesian filtering over large bitfields is "artificial intelligence", much like inept dorks pretending raw notation of "observed phenomena" is science and so following.
01:42 mircea_popescu all the way down to the little guy, preteding raw reality vomit unfiltered and uncomprehended is "his life experience"
01:43 mircea_popescu and ostensibly "you couldn't understand because you haven't experienced" bla bla.
01:43 erlehmann regarding elective sexual behaviour, i observed people acting slutty if they know it is a) acceptable socially (i.e. their friends are doing it) b) they learn that it is possible (e.g. non-monogamy)
01:43 mircea_popescu and by people you mean women.
01:43 erlehmann so maybe there's no empowerment going on there, just a slut filter being installed
01:44 mircea_popescu i also observed that 9th graders all agreed sucking cock is very vulgar, only to agree four years later that only losers don't eat the penis.
01:44 mircea_popescu generation after generation, pattern repeats because contrary to what people thing, they don't really matter all that much.
01:44 erlehmann i observed differently, but my first girlfriend was probably some kind of underage succubus.
01:45 erlehmann i get the point
01:45 mircea_popescu so yeah, weak male expression will drive the females to overactive courtship.
01:45 mircea_popescu ~the only thing "socially acceptable sluttines" signifies is small dicks.
01:45 erlehmann i was a wimp when i was 12.
01:46 erlehmann care to elaborate?
01:46 mircea_popescu i think everyone's a wimp when they're 12.
01:46 erlehmann metaphorical dicks?
01:47 mircea_popescu erlehmann why do you suppose afghani women don't go around topless ? is it because twitter hasn't perked up awareness enough yet ?
01:48 erlehmann loaded question. probably because of whoever is in power there to make the clothing rules.
01:48 mircea_popescu but maybe it's because http://trilema.com/2013/attention-cunt/#selection-29.0-26.2 only holds in the oregon woods, not in the afghani hillside ?
01:49 mircea_popescu i've yet to encounter someone who was in power in the sense of making clothing rules. consider augustus tried to get people to wear the toga.
01:51 erlehmann re agency: i had a talk with a syrian electrical engineer yesterday. he needed a ride and explained that mostly young people flee that conflict because every side sees them as potential fighters. that was the moment where i decided that the neo-nazi meme “they wan't our jobs and our women” ascribed way too much agency to immigrants.
01:51 erlehmann that conflict → syria
01:51 mircea_popescu well, the arab notion is that young males are ~offal.
01:52 mircea_popescu whereas the anglo reich notion is that young shemales are god's gift to creation.
01:52 mircea_popescu so there's a pretty thorny dilema, become a faggot or a fighter ? they'll despise you anwyay, and you'll lose parts you actually liked anyway, but hey.
01:52 mircea_popescu no country for young men.
01:53 mircea_popescu but no, ~nobody wants the fat ugly us/eu women.
01:54 erlehmann re fighter/faggot: when my grandfather was still alive, he showed me a photo from before the second world war. he was there as a young child with lots of other males.
01:55 erlehmann he then went on to “this one wanted to become a submariner, this one wanted to become a war hero” etc. pp.
01:55 erlehmann punchline: everyone else on the photo was a very dead fighter.
01:56 erlehmann grandfather was still alive, cowardly.
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01:56 erlehmann i approve
01:57 phf asciilifeform: http://www.av8n.com/turbid/paper/turbid.htm
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01:57 erlehmann mircea_popescu what do you consider thorny?
01:58 phf erlehmann: you have no honor, like a woman!
01:58 erlehmann phf deutsche haben sowieso keine ehre!
01:59 phf not an oglaf fan i see
01:59 erlehmann i am http://oglaf.com/honor/
02:00 erlehmann one of my favourites is the one with statues you can fuck
02:01 erlehmann http://oglaf.com/porkchisel/
02:02 erlehmann worst thing on conference was drunk guy who wanted to have my contact details after i told him that his captive portal will be truly fucked soon-ish and every other stranger at the lunch table agreed.
02:03 mircea_popescu erlehmann what do you mean what do i consider thorny ? things that have to be approached indirectly, or else.
02:03 erlehmann > <mircea_popescu> so there's a pretty thorny dilema, become a faggot or a fighter ?
02:03 erlehmann i don't see the dilema, re syria
02:03 mircea_popescu why, just because you like going shopping ?
02:03 erlehmann either die for nothing or live in sweden
02:04 mircea_popescu where you die for nothing, except fat old and lonely.
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02:04 mircea_popescu who the fuck are you to die for something, anyway.
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02:05 erlehmann i should have been more precise, probably.
02:05 erlehmann i interpret choice fighter/faggot as a) fight in war, die soon b) go away, die probably much later
02:05 mircea_popescu you think adding the decimal points might save the credit card statement that was in the red a coupla grand by just adding the hundreds ?
02:06 mircea_popescu erlehmann yes, much like some priestly dude with aspirations to science interpreted "learning" to mean something nonsensical.
02:06 erlehmann though the syrian told me that refugees of both sexes he knows seem to have trouble finding partners in sweden
02:06 mircea_popescu i have no objection : when you beg the question, you get what you begged for.
02:06 erlehmann maybe because they are not bdsm bazillionaires (re: war)
02:06 mircea_popescu no, but because people tend to despise vermin.
02:06 mircea_popescu it's kind-of innate.
02:07 erlehmann surprisingly, he described sweden as very welcoming and not at all racist
02:07 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46E2BC3DFECF66D5EB114D753CC7C15EDCC1601F9583FFE3D74CB86158CA41A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1108...6429 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '32.215.44.114 (ssh-rsa key from 32.215.44.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US CT)
02:07 mircea_popescu right. i'm sure it is.
02:07 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46E2BC3DFECF66D5EB114D753CC7C15EDCC1601F9583FFE3D74CB86158CA41A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1324...4823 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '32.215.44.114 (ssh-rsa key from 32.215.44.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US CT)
02:07 mircea_popescu i think you might've had the people/vermin division wrong.
02:07 erlehmann mircea_popescu not finding GF → evidence of racism!
02:07 mircea_popescu the swedes are the maggots.
02:08 erlehmann i understand completely
02:08 mircea_popescu they live in sweden, after all.
02:08 erlehmann country shaped like penis
02:08 mircea_popescu lol. is it ?
02:08 erlehmann on my keyboard, m and f are not right next to each other
02:09 mircea_popescu on mine neither.
02:09 erlehmann mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/hyLRDo1.jpg
02:09 erlehmann seems finland serves as sweden's balls
02:09 mircea_popescu lmao.
02:10 mircea_popescu ok, not bad. i guess i didn't spend enough time staring at that part of europe at the rightr age.
02:13 erlehmann i feel enlightened, but also sleepy. bye
02:13 mircea_popescu nn
02:13 erlehmann ?
02:13 mircea_popescu good night
02:15 erlehmann oh, i won't sleep, probably. but i have mindless work to do and i feel in the right state of mind for that.
02:15 mircea_popescu alright, so enjoy.
02:15 erlehmann my coworkers say similar things. i always answer that work does not feel enjoyable for me and programming is not fun.
02:16 erlehmann i am kinda glad about that
02:16 mircea_popescu fine, SO SUFFER
02:16 diana_coman erlehmann, getting a picture ready with "this one wanted to NOT HAVE FUN" ?
02:17 diana_coman fwiw I talked to former army pilots; they had lots of pictures of lots of males as you might imagine; the punchline was...WHAT FUN WE HAD
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02:17 diana_coman and yes, some of them were dead
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02:17 erlehmann i made a tripping haskell programmer smile when i was like ALGOL – NO FUN ALLOWED
02:18 mircea_popescu i don't think i ever met anyone i'd let into the house who was death-avoidance-oriented.
02:18 erlehmann diana_coman of course, the goal of war is not do die for your country, but to make the other basterd die for theirs
02:18 erlehmann > death-avoidance-oriented
02:18 erlehmann DOA
02:18 mircea_popescu DAO.
02:18 erlehmann wait
02:18 erlehmann DAO
02:18 erlehmann :D
02:19 diana_coman that's not even the point; one of them apparently kept being promoted/demoted in times of peace because he was a. an excellent pilot b. apparently unable to not have fun regardless of whether it's "permitted" or not
02:20 mircea_popescu lol
02:20 erlehmann i am thoroughly glad that i do not find work fun because it means i do not lose motivation when others do not have fun.
02:20 mircea_popescu there's a great film with cagney, about such a guy
02:20 diana_coman my take away from your picture story is that apparently each of those in the picture got pretty much what they wanted so...
02:20 mircea_popescu he's a dancer. but he also gets the visiting french president to do his bidding by showing him ww2 decorations etc
02:20 erlehmann diana_coman Инфа 100%
02:20 mircea_popescu thick 1950s us agitprop, but not bad
02:21 erlehmann ah, the train fills
02:22 mircea_popescu !~google the west point story
02:22 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: The West Point Story (1950) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043123/>; The West Point Story (film) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_West_Point_Story_(film)>; The West Point Story (1950) - Overview - TCM.com: <http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/16073/The-West-Point-Story/>
02:22 erlehmann mircea_popescu was the cell conforming thing ment as a metaphor only or do you have something to share on cellular automata?
02:23 phf it seems like a questionable move to speak for your friend's motivations like that. sort of a classic moralist move "oh these bikers who were fucking, taking drugs, and riding wild DIED YOUNG!!1"
02:23 mircea_popescu erlehmann there's absolutely no relation between the mathematical model of cellular automata and biological cells.
02:26 erlehmann have you read the paper i linked? » http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670094
02:26 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 05:34 erlehmann: mircea_popescu something like this, maybe? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28406206
02:26 mircea_popescu i didn't read it no. i skimmed.
02:28 mircea_popescu but really, skin pigmentation in reptiles ? not really a good example. consider -- why are all liver cells liver cells
02:28 erlehmann what would be needed to convince you that the researchers found a correspondence between a cellular automaton on a hexagonal lattice and skin cells?
02:28 mircea_popescu nothing. i'm convinced of that.
02:29 mircea_popescu besides, one day i found a correspondence between the direction in which my dog barked and whether it was gonna rain that day.
02:29 erlehmann assplain
02:30 mircea_popescu it's the oldest profession this, what! "bet you a dime the next person coming in the door will be female"
02:30 mircea_popescu it's not science, it's street urchinism.
02:32 erlehmann i can't follow. → sleepworking
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08:29 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670142 << this is pure gold, ty for posting, phf . it's rng-nonsense from back when folx were posting ~erudite~ nonsense, rather than the regular redditola snore
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08:29 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 05:57 phf: asciilifeform: http://www.av8n.com/turbid/paper/turbid.htm
08:31 asciilifeform phf: notice how the discussion of DAC artifacts omits... the clock
08:32 asciilifeform phf: ... or where the author elaborately justifies 'whitening'
08:33 asciilifeform at least in sect. 7 he admits that one oughta be able to switch it off prior to tests.
08:34 asciilifeform which puts him ahead of the entire 2005-present crop of derps
08:40 asciilifeform incidentally at one time quite a few folx, incl. some of the people here, used sound card rng
08:40 asciilifeform ( there is an old thread where mircea_popescu mentions it; asciilifeform at one time also used )
08:40 asciilifeform a sound card rng is considerably better than... none at all. but this is all that can be said for it.
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09:49 asciilifeform https://archive.is/9AZcm << meanwhile, the forkwarz folx. '...the Bitcoin industry came to an agreement in New York...' didjaknow!!
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09:51 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670140 << aaaaaand that is how we got merkel germany
09:51 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 05:56 erlehmann: grandfather was still alive, cowardly.
09:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670194 << i don't know of any su-world mil autobio that ~wasn't~ a 'what fun we had'
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09:54 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 06:17 diana_coman: fwiw I talked to former army pilots; they had lots of pictures of lots of males as you might imagine; the punchline was...WHAT FUN WE HAD
09:54 * asciilifeform aficionado of genre
09:54 asciilifeform whereas academics ( esp. -- unsuprisingly -- emigre academics ) invariably penned 'how much it sucked, how oppressed' etc
09:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670195 << modern figure for su peacetime pilot attrition was, iirc, ~10%
09:56 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 06:17 diana_coman: and yes, some of them were dead
09:56 asciilifeform as in, specifically splat -- not counting anybody who died of vodka, motorcycle, etc
09:56 asciilifeform which, i suspect, is as it should be
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09:57 asciilifeform it was serious problem because the ~hardware~ was costly and ever in shortage -- rather than new d00dz
09:58 diana_coman asciilifeform, I kind of suspect the what fun vs how oppressed is a good way to tell what sort of person is talking basically
09:58 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
09:58 diana_coman heh
09:58 asciilifeform though with emigres it was somewhat complicated, some of them were (how does one even say this in english?) 'serving out their pay'
10:00 diana_coman I did notice some difference at old veterans of both wars - not really much talk of fun exactly but certainly not that impressed with death either
10:00 diana_coman and yeah, no idea re Americans exactly - my interactions were mainly with Europeans and I'd say biased towards Eastern Europe too
10:01 * asciilifeform also
10:01 asciilifeform by the time i got to usa, most of the people worth talking to, were dead.
10:03 diana_coman the only trouble with the emerging image of academia as "the land of how opressed" is the fact that...I knew some old real academics too; and they...had fun; also! lol
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10:04 diana_coman so maybe more a sign of degradation rather than anything else (and yes, when I went into academia initially it was based on what I knew from those old people - the shock/unpleasant surprise was quite huge)
10:05 diana_coman by old people I mean born around 1920
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10:38 asciilifeform aaaha, the ~last generation-of-people-worth-talking-to
10:45 asciilifeform the inescapable picture is that ww2 was the last time euro civilization's clock was wound.
10:45 asciilifeform and the spring's running down.
10:51 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670156 << 'die not the straw death !' (tm)(r)(odin)
10:51 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: where you die for nothing, except fat old and lonely.
10:54 asciilifeform 'The sluggard believes | he shall live forever, If the fight he faces not; But age shall not grant him | the gift of peace, Though spears may spare his life.' ( havamal , bellows' translation )
10:57 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670157 << see also >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244654
10:57 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: who the fuck are you to die for something, anyway.
10:57 a111 Logged on 2015-08-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?
10:58 asciilifeform !#s right to marry her dog
10:58 a111 5 results for "right to marry her dog", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=right%20to%20marry%20her%20dog
10:58 asciilifeform ^ winged phrase, this one, mircea_popescu
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11:00 asciilifeform fwiw i can't picture serving in a nato army and NOT deserting and/or going to enemy at the first opportunity.
11:00 asciilifeform possibly is why asciilifeform is not in a nato army.
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11:01 asciilifeform plug embrasure with yer arse, for clitler ? for soros ? srsly ?
11:03 mircea_popescu !!key Miezip
11:03 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/9A9CDD44037D16CCDADCFB0FFF8BD9433CC6423C.asc
11:08 shinohai https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2017-the-ether-thief/ <<< It's a mystery! or, how to rewrite history in your favour ....
11:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670238 << the history of computing is fulla this. not to mention the history of eastern europe.
11:09 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 12:40 asciilifeform: a sound card rng is considerably better than... none at all. but this is all that can be said for it.
11:09 mircea_popescu shinohai good thing they figured out who satoshi was, at least.
11:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670239 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-11#1668571
11:10 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 13:49 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/9AZcm << meanwhile, the forkwarz folx. '...the Bitcoin industry came to an agreement in New York...' didjaknow!!
11:10 a111 Logged on 2017-06-11 04:51 mircea_popescu: it'll never end, this constant stream of improved improvements, until they're literally fucking buried, the muppets, will it.
11:10 asciilifeform 'Thousands of dreamers and schemers and developers who populate the cutting edge of computer science, most of them young, had invested in the DAO. This was real money, a quarter of a billion dollars, their money, meant to build a better version of the world, and every cent was at risk.' << gold
11:10 mircea_popescu maybe we should start doing this, "the united states came to an agreement" bla bla.
11:10 asciilifeform konsensoos!!!
11:15 mircea_popescu "the united states has agreed during a conference in #trilema to cede florida back to spain"
11:15 mircea_popescu why the fuck not.
11:15 mircea_popescu historical justice etc.
11:16 mircea_popescu in fact the above agreement re the florida cession will actually do more than the even above-er "agreement" on talking-about-bitcoin-from-outside-bitcoin
11:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670242 << it gets better. caragiale (possibly only romanian in the history of that political concoction to be suspectable of intelligence) praises greatly „Maior C Pruncu — Din campaniile mele (Crimeea, 1855, Algeria, 1856—57, Italia, Maroc, 1859). Tipărită la Bârlad în 1900, la tipografia George V Munteanu”
11:21 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 13:54 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670194 << i don't know of any su-world mil autobio that ~wasn't~ a 'what fun we had'
11:21 mircea_popescu ie, a book from 1900 about a major's "what a great time we had" re 1850s wars.
11:22 asciilifeform lol why not also include anabasis.
11:22 mircea_popescu it was ~never different~. the male hut was this port in athens, where fun was had. the female hut was this literal hut, where they groomed and talked dumb shit.
11:22 asciilifeform ( the mega-originator of genre!! )
11:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i just did lol.
11:22 mircea_popescu i'm just saying -- this is universally and without exception true, in all cultures, times and places.
11:25 mircea_popescu anyway, the point being that "man's greatest possible as well as actual aspiration is to wait upon some dumb cunt and the miserable maggots that crawl out of her cunt with some regularity" was never in history socially acceptable or socially accepted. it became the norm post ww2 not for any reason than because it is a prerequisite (among many other) for stacking pseudo-people like sardines.
11:26 mircea_popescu the 1850s major and his ilk WOULDNT HAVE FIT in the baby boomer producing cheap housing.
11:26 asciilifeform hey even asciilifeform barely fits
11:26 mircea_popescu aha.
11:26 * asciilifeform occupies entire 'standard american' house and has it at this point mostly packed like nazi sub
11:27 mircea_popescu and the whole story of "oh, 1800 style squalor and poverty and five points erradicated!!! great ourdemocracy progress!!!" is really just very caked on masking upon the base fact that "we redirected all resources away from fun, so that now there's nothing to do but wait to die a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670156
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11:27 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 06:04 mircea_popescu: where you die for nothing, except fat old and lonely.
11:27 asciilifeform the 1850s d00d probably would barf before even entering sorry hovel : 'where is the pasture ? whaddayamean quarter acre of shitmud ? '
11:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and the funhny thing is, baby boomer producing cheap housing is ~what obama gets today
11:29 mircea_popescu ie, GREAT GRAND LUXURY!
11:29 asciilifeform i thought he bought an 'old money' 19th c thing
11:29 asciilifeform but i did not go an' see, no
11:29 mircea_popescu "bitch, we've come so very far, your socialism and me, that now i gotta be president to get the house a returning midshipman'd have got"
11:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-08#969958 see also.
11:30 a111 Logged on 2015-01-08 14:06 cazalla: it all shrinks, i grew up visiting my opa's backyard on the weekends, spending week days in my own parent's smaller backyard, what do i have for my own son? next to fucking nothing, no-one has kids, no-one has familiies, no-one can afford shit, land of opportunity my fucking ass
11:30 asciilifeform see also also, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265005
11:30 a111 Logged on 2015-09-07 04:00 mircea_popescu: in the 50s a bank CLERK lived in roughly what alf thinks palatial.
11:31 mircea_popescu it's an important exercise, for the "land of the free home of the brave" soviet union citizen 2.0, to review the 1950s movies, and implicitly what things looked like.
11:31 asciilifeform sorta why they quasi-banned them
11:31 asciilifeform the old films.
11:31 mircea_popescu which is i suppose why they don't./
11:31 asciilifeform esp. the pre-1940s ones
11:32 mircea_popescu what, like bette davis stuff ?
11:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-08#969953 <<< bweahaha 2015
11:33 a111 Logged on 2015-01-08 14:02 mike_c: there's another 14 btc for bitbet investors. maybe this bet will spark a rally in the stock.
11:33 asciilifeform the ones where ~anyone worth the mention has 'hired help', etc
11:33 mircea_popescu mm ?
11:34 asciilifeform general idea : the 'packed sardine herders' want the old world -- forgotten. the one that built the flat asciilifeform grew up in -- built 1907, 4 metre ceilings
11:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670249 << i tell you, if i was airforce command, i'd throw a hissy fit, and not rest, nor let anyone sleep, until it was less than 1%
11:34 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 13:56 asciilifeform: which, i suspect, is as it should be
11:34 asciilifeform with frescoed chandelies.
11:34 asciilifeform *chandeliers
11:35 mircea_popescu if you ever played heroes you know you CANT FUCKING LOSE TEN PERCENT OMFG YOU ARE ALL FIRED WITH STICKS
11:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no can do with su iron
11:35 mircea_popescu will fucking do it.
11:35 asciilifeform part of what did it was the reluctance to catapult
11:35 asciilifeform tradition was that a man ought not unless so ordered.
11:35 asciilifeform often not ordered quite in time.
11:36 asciilifeform (because how)
11:36 mircea_popescu dude, i'm sleeping i nthe factory, it's not gonna be 10%
11:37 asciilifeform i suspect that you can choose b/w 'realistic training conditions' ( e.g. worst weather, iced runways, live fire, overrevving, overceilinging, spins ) and everybody-lives
11:38 asciilifeform xor.
11:38 asciilifeform prolly dun have to lose 10%, but with su iron -- is what they lost.
11:38 mircea_popescu not everybody though.
11:39 mircea_popescu just, if you're gonna get rid of them, shoot them while fucking cadets wtf.
11:39 mircea_popescu i'm not spending flight hours on horsemeat.
11:39 asciilifeform they very often sacked cadets.
11:39 asciilifeform something like 70-80%
11:39 mircea_popescu aha
11:42 asciilifeform http://militera.lib.ru/bio/reshetnikov_vv2/index.html << mega-b00k on subj.
11:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670259 << famously, gah!
11:42 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 14:03 diana_coman: the only trouble with the emerging image of academia as "the land of how opressed" is the fact that...I knew some old real academics too; and they...had fun; also! lol
11:42 mircea_popescu so i was gonna quote this story with my grandfather regretting the time of stalin, except apparently it;'s not in the log ? and there's even attempts to find the shit, like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-15#1433159
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11:42 a111 Logged on 2016-03-15 02:00 mircea_popescu: !s "we were younger then"
11:42 mircea_popescu but the idea being, dude went from romania to odessa and then to tatra mountains. and then came back and was uni professor.
11:43 mircea_popescu veterans can be academics too!
11:43 mircea_popescu in fact, anyone can. and horses, senators.
11:43 asciilifeform e.g. asciilifeform's grandfather
11:43 asciilifeform ( not famous )
11:43 mircea_popescu there's no bar of entry to the derpy professions.
11:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, pushing a point, famous because i recounted it
11:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670273 why thankee.
11:46 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 14:58 asciilifeform: ^ winged phrase, this one, mircea_popescu
11:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670275 << possibly why the last time "nato army" even existed as such was mid-early 1990s. today it's entirely a parade & "technical support and training" affair.
11:47 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 15:00 asciilifeform: possibly is why asciilifeform is not in a nato army.
11:48 asciilifeform oh hm earlier meant to link to https://profilib.com/chtenie/24163/valeriy-grigorev-obrecheny-na-podvig-kniga-pervaya.php -- b00k re ~peacetime~ aviators, with almost same title (though the other is more well known, this was specific to thread)
11:48 mircea_popescu also is why asciilifeform is not in nsa :D
11:49 asciilifeform lol, could have been , at one point was starving and volunteered
11:49 asciilifeform ( see old thread )
11:49 mircea_popescu aha
11:53 asciilifeform asciilifeform, like ~all of the other boys he knew, wanted nothing more than to be in red army, ideally circa 1942 or so
11:53 mircea_popescu o, really ?
11:53 mircea_popescu i didn't.
11:53 asciilifeform mega-unsurprise
11:53 mircea_popescu lol why ?
11:54 asciilifeform well mircea_popescu's 1942 was a little different neh
11:54 mircea_popescu later, as a young man i mean, they begged me to go, but i couldn't be arsed.
11:54 mircea_popescu different than what ?
11:54 asciilifeform than asciilifeform's
11:54 mircea_popescu i dunno. how was it different ?
11:55 asciilifeform in the sense where it was the beginning of 50 yrs of su yoke
11:55 asciilifeform for mircea_popesculandia
11:55 mircea_popescu eh, listen, the practice and the ideological theory dun work so well in practice. for one thing, dja know the caer rules were adjusted basically to accomodate...romania ?
11:55 mircea_popescu no fucking eu law was ever modified in the same manner.
11:56 mircea_popescu otherwise, militarily, ceausescu opposed the invasion of czechoslovakia, basescu opposed thje invasion of serbia, 0 diff.
11:58 mircea_popescu and otherwise, moscow got bombed, iassy got bombed, whatever, ww2 in europe.
11:58 asciilifeform tru
11:59 mircea_popescu teh russkis stole all the u-rich quartz and the muricans stole all teh wood.
11:59 mircea_popescu really i dun see teh difference.
11:59 mircea_popescu at least the russians used it to make bombs. these fucktards grind perfectly fine pine down to mix it with glue and make their stupid paper wasp nests, it's gross on top of being stupid.
12:14 trinque http://archive.is/dLlaV << gunman shot up some soi disant republicans
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12:16 shinohai !~ticker --market all
12:16 jhvh1 shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2545.18, vol: 20943.24354882 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2554.66, vol: 7050.59913 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2455.0, vol: 28753.44948263 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2752.64, vol: 11607.26100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2561.0, vol: 9226.5424327 | Volume-weighted last average: 2545.53910647
12:16 trinque 50 to 100 shots fired... "several" hit. lol? guy was a star wars fan or something?
12:19 trinque shinohai: pls halp. I maxed my cards out at 3k
12:25 asciilifeform from same rag, 'Uber Technologies Inc director David Bonderman said on Tuesday that he has resigned from the company's board following a remark he made during an Uber staff meeting that was widely seen as offensive to women. "There's a lot of data that shows when there's one woman on the board, it's much more likely that there will be a second woman on the board," Huffington said. In response, Bonderman said: "Actually, what it show
12:25 asciilifeform s is that it's much more likely to be more talking." Bonderman, who is a founder of private equity firm TPG Capital, an Uber investor, shortly after wrote an email to Uber staff to apologize. In his resignation statement that followed on Tuesday evening, Bonderman reiterated his regret...'
12:26 asciilifeform ( https://archive.is/RFrcx )
12:28 trinque recalling the thread with diana_coman the other day, this'd be the difference between competent women finding places of authority and female culture saturating social arrangements.
12:28 asciilifeform the competent folx, you will generally never hear about, unless firsthand
12:28 asciilifeform the talkers -- will hear, see, read on front page of völkischer beobachter..
12:28 shinohai >.>
12:32 mircea_popescu trinque very aptly put
12:32 asciilifeform "several" hit << notice, 0 corpses. psyop.
12:32 asciilifeform well, 1 corpse, the trigger man
12:32 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2017/fucking-goats/ << Daniel P. Barron - Fucking Goats
12:32 asciilifeform oh hey
12:33 asciilifeform neato danielpbarron !
12:36 asciilifeform danielpbarron: http://nosuchlabs.com updated with link to your piece.
12:37 danielpbarron neat
12:43 asciilifeform danielpbarron: re /dev/random, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669632
12:43 a111 Logged on 2017-06-13 21:27 jurov: asciilifeform: sorry to be shitharbinger, just writing to /dev/random is not enough https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/141197/why-writing-to-dev-random-does-not-make-parallel-reading-from-dev-random-faste
12:44 asciilifeform ( linux malignantly does The Wrong Thing here )
12:44 mircea_popescu it is for to protect teh chitlins.
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14:04 BingoBoingo OMG, WILL TRUMP OCCUPY BELLEVILLE?
14:09 BingoBoingo <trinque> 50 to 100 shots fired... "several" hit. lol? guy was a star wars fan or something? << Terrorist from Belleville aka East-East St Louis. Write up incoming
14:09 mircea_popescu he had to destroy the village to save the village
14:10 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670230 << it is the kind of nonsense either one of us could've written in younger years, so yeah, old school.
14:10 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 12:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670142 << this is pure gold, ty for posting, phf . it's rng-nonsense from back when folx were posting ~erudite~ nonsense, rather than the regular redditola snore
14:10 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> "several" hit << notice, 0 corpses. psyop. << Notorious local crank
14:11 phf including the intentionally omitting parts not from malice, but from not exploring it enough in hopes that it somehow holds true
14:18 mircea_popescu ah, youff.
14:21 asciilifeform phf: and by dac i meant of cource adc, lol
14:21 asciilifeform ( think of adc sampling artifacts as similar to the pixel moire you see when old vhs camera filmed room with crt display.. )
14:23 asciilifeform phf: 'not exploring it enough in hopes that it somehow holds true' is in fact the essence of bad rngology
14:23 asciilifeform 'whitening' and all the other sins, flow from it
14:23 asciilifeform of 'symmetric ciphers' also ('i cannot break, therefore strong!!')
14:23 mircea_popescu "i cannot bed, therefore whore"
14:24 asciilifeform 'i dun seem to get off the ground by flapping arms, thereby flight is impossible for man'
14:24 mircea_popescu "i never had anything to say worth 4mb, therefore should be enough for all trilemas"
14:26 asciilifeform re whitening, it might be interesting to apply 'dragonfly fpga' to 'distinguish sha'd bitstream from nonsha'd'
14:26 mircea_popescu o wait, i got the best one
14:26 mircea_popescu "people are fundamentally good, and there's a spark of essential human-ness in everyone"
14:26 asciilifeform lolly
14:37 asciilifeform in other veryveryolds, https://archive.is/PQIyo << moar re the 'altalena affair' , for aficionados
14:37 asciilifeform 'The elected Zionist leadership under David Ben-Gurion detested the two "dissident" groups. First, because they prevented it from conducting the policy it considered right. Every time a compromise with the British authorities was under discussion, they undertook some spectacular action against the British, such as the blowing up of the British headquarters in the King David hotel, the murder of Lord Moyne or the hanging of two Britis
14:37 asciilifeform h sergeants. Second, the dissidents threatened the leadership’s authority. Third, the leadership was leftist, while the Irgun was on the extreme right. (The ideology of the Sternists is harder to define.)'
14:38 asciilifeform 'oh noez, accursed partizans, every time we sit down to vichyate, they piss on the parade!'
14:38 mircea_popescu basically, ~rhodesia, except colors switched
14:38 mircea_popescu the commies were in power and the actual humans trying to get them out
14:38 asciilifeform aaha.
14:40 mircea_popescu should have hung gurion, actually.
14:40 mircea_popescu i have nfi why right wing is always so conflict-averse.
14:40 asciilifeform d00d was the authorized-muppet of internationalkomyoonity.
14:40 mircea_popescu so ?
14:41 mircea_popescu fucking hang him
14:41 mircea_popescu and generally, the "do the one thing which would make the the femwailers wail worst" is a fine heuristic
14:41 asciilifeform and would have hanged, but for the sorry bastard, m. begin, who shat his pants (or, alternate, turned coat)
14:41 mircea_popescu strictly better than anything a "trained strategist" might come up with
14:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, there's just this dumbass "respectability" on the right.
14:42 mircea_popescu "it wouldn't do to hang some shithead as loved as ben gurion"
14:42 mircea_popescu dude... #1, that's primo reason to hang him, and #2, who the fuck loved him ?
14:42 mircea_popescu not your friends, was it.
14:42 asciilifeform the other quislings, who else.
14:42 mircea_popescu aha
14:42 asciilifeform who loves a quisling.
14:42 mircea_popescu "Gavin is so popular" bla bla.
14:42 asciilifeform author of the article, incidentally
14:42 mircea_popescu suuuuhuhuhure.
14:42 asciilifeform 'The elimination of our armed underground was possible only because the vast majority of the Israeli population understood that with the establishment of the state the national aim had been attained, and the actions of the armed groups could only endanger that achievement.' didjaknow.
14:43 mircea_popescu oh hey, how's the stealing the having stolen work ?
14:43 asciilifeform lenin's rm -rf of mahno comes to mind.
14:43 mircea_popescu this incidentally was purely byzantine invention
14:43 asciilifeform shooting ex-ally in the back ?
14:44 asciilifeform probably as old as opposable thumbs
14:44 mircea_popescu "there's this legion of angels, which are just you know, bestest better people (and without dicks) waiting rightr behind that hill behind me so you'd better not attack!"
14:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, the faux consensus of astroturf
14:44 asciilifeform ah
14:44 mircea_popescu "first, i created some imaginary friends because i was lonely, and then i started going around pretending ourdemocracy and elected official"
14:46 asciilifeform 'Ben-Gurion publicly praised the "holy canon" that sank it.'
14:47 mircea_popescu well obviously. the lefty UNDERSTANDS the above point re outrage.
14:54 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/06/leftist-terrorist-from-belleville-attacks-gop-baseball-team/ << Qntra - Leftist Terrorist From Belleville Attacks GOP Baseball Team
14:55 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/2g1pJ << kook's (seemingly incomplete) letters to the editor https://archive.is/2g1pJ
14:57 asciilifeform betcha pantsuit-congress can't wait to put various things to vote, what with the +1 ( 2? 3? ) advantage.
14:58 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well congress critter apparently is alive
14:58 asciilifeform for nao
14:59 BingoBoingo Shooter dead, legit appearing kook radicalized by fake nooze
14:59 BingoBoingo Really Trump needs to do a military response to the Belleville problem
15:00 asciilifeform 'We need to bring our country out of today’s recession by raising the number of tax brackets from six to 20 or more and the top marginal rate of 35 percent on $380,000 to 60 percent on $20 million or more. In 1938 we had 33 brackets from 4 percent for most of the country to 79 percent for income over $79 million.' lullz
15:01 asciilifeform 'I would wish all people under an annual income of $1 million to get behind the 99 percent, and back the push for tax reform. My motto is: “Tax em like 1938.”'
15:02 BingoBoingo Belleville's where all the white people from East StL did their flight to in the 1950's but now their children and grandchildren would rather be food in their growning Lafond-Land than flee and be racis again.
15:04 asciilifeform from same rag, https://archive.is/WAJ1b >> 'Reaction was fast and sometimes furious on James T. Hodgkinson’s Facebook page Wednesday morning before the page was removed by Facebook. The man may have had a second Facebook account, which was also missing by noon Wednesday.'
15:04 asciilifeform ^ they zapped some ~other~ similar-named schmuck's acct for good measure
15:04 asciilifeform a la mircea_popescu-and-fetlife
15:05 asciilifeform pure gold.
15:05 asciilifeform https://archive.is/0Ln3X << from also same rag, '...was told to stop shooting in the woods near his home... In 2009 he was charged by Belleville with failing to obtain an electrical contractor license or electrical permit before performing work...'
15:06 asciilifeform ^ ohnoez, TERRORIST, didn't respond CORRECTLY to being enpederasted -- instead of drinking to death, ohnoez, went to take a lizard or two with him to grave
15:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform check it out, the empire of the poor! GETS BEHIND!
15:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sounds rather joe stack-ish all this dunnit.
15:10 asciilifeform more or less.
15:12 BingoBoingo Mebbe he should have considered sucking less and not living in that shithole? Belleville is surrounded by numerous perfectly fine places that are better by virtue of not being Belleville
15:12 mircea_popescu weird old guys have this "my porch, bitch" attitude
15:12 BingoBoingo "OMG DOCTOR IT HURTZ" "STAHP DOIN THAT THEN!!!"
15:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in usa, especially, where they 'own' houses
15:13 asciilifeform y'know, just like every serf who ever lived
15:13 asciilifeform 'my land'
15:13 mircea_popescu nah, it's an ancient thing. roman army veteran, or genoese trader, would one day decide to hang up them caligulas, buy a plot of land, a girl or two, and settle down there.
15:13 asciilifeform sorta how biology of aging worx
15:13 mircea_popescu the locals trying to thieve as much as possible out of this bounty is then what created commedia delle arte and the ~entire euro tradsition.
15:14 mircea_popescu (NOT "christianity", as socialist fucktards trying to steal the having stolen always mendaciously pretend()
15:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite.
15:15 asciilifeform the down side, as they'll find, to having stolen-the-havingbeenstolenfrom, is that the victim can suddenly take it back. pull it straight from the aether, from the arse.
15:15 mircea_popescu also sorta why any social organisation where young women aren't in sale and in bulk will fail.
15:15 mircea_popescu the deep reason arabs are threat to europe not other way around is to be found in that comment re girlies and shops in cairo i made years ago
15:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no but they "raise awareness" other places to protect from this
15:16 mircea_popescu if white people discuss black chicks coding, they're not going to discuss http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1669923
15:16 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 03:25 mircea_popescu: amusingly, the fact that the great-grandfathers ofd today's "free" maryland blacks had it way the fuck better as slaves is somehow un-known to "scholarship".
15:16 asciilifeform sorta the entire scheme.
15:16 mircea_popescu aha.
15:17 asciilifeform incidentally item : next to iraq (yes!) embassy in washington, there was an old church
15:17 asciilifeform burned in 1970s blackriots
15:17 asciilifeform it was glassed in and preserved as memorial
15:17 asciilifeform well, i walked not so long ago there, and noticed the wrecking crew,
15:17 asciilifeform it is to be replaced with glass brutalist monster thing, soon.
15:17 mircea_popescu "time immemorial" yes ? :D
15:17 asciilifeform aaha
15:18 asciilifeform 'hey idea, we'll rm -rf / the tombs, folx will forget the murders'
15:18 asciilifeform filed with the statues of texas etc
15:18 mircea_popescu the new soviet architecture is HORRIBLE btw. wtf is all the shit they built.
15:18 asciilifeform all looks same.
15:18 mircea_popescu i recently saw ny pics girl took, OMFG
15:18 mircea_popescu that town turned into ulaan baator.
15:18 mircea_popescu 1 police plaza, seriously ?!
15:18 asciilifeform hey, same people as built gigantic latrine pit thing instead of the skyscraper
15:19 asciilifeform 'memorial'
15:19 mircea_popescu crazy
15:19 asciilifeform it's a deliberate fuckyou to the sane.
15:19 asciilifeform ~100% of what they build, consists of this
15:19 asciilifeform 'fuckyou and guesswat you'll shuddup, terrorist, and eat it'
15:19 mircea_popescu it's too ugly to build.
15:20 asciilifeform it is 'built' like a pig 'builds' his shit
15:20 mircea_popescu on the basis of what usg builds, i would say one could definitively conclude no government should ever have any money.
15:22 asciilifeform the burned church was a very uncharacteristic monument for washington -- had little grove of bushes, trees, smelled great in the springtime, little 'celtic labyrinth' thing , sign, 'sit here and think..' etc
15:22 asciilifeform 0 tourists, ~0 bomzhes, birds singing.
15:23 asciilifeform it gave impression of 'ice cube in the desert'
15:23 asciilifeform the only surprise is that it took so long as it did to melt away.
15:23 mircea_popescu i guesss so huh
15:23 phf the trick is to contrast the worst of black lives of the past with the best of the privileged lives of today. today everyone's equal by decree, so if you're not equal it's crime and travesty and someone ought to be punished
15:24 asciilifeform phf: aaaha, but also gotta punish white clerk, and for some reason never soros
15:24 mircea_popescu yet phf no black in the south had it as terribly as the black "free" workers in the north.
15:24 mircea_popescu seeing how you know, the former being chattels had a market value.
15:25 mircea_popescu but hey, whatever, clinton was gonna give them fifty acres and a mule
15:26 shinohai Domestic terrorism trifects in play >>> http://archive.is/PeVxZ
15:26 asciilifeform 40 lol
15:26 mircea_popescu and i urge everyone without any acres or mules to get behind this plan
15:26 shinohai *trifecta
15:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform inflation.
15:26 asciilifeform for piglet!!!
15:26 asciilifeform 'The construction worker said he also saw people on the roof with their hands up, letting police know they were unarmed.'
15:26 asciilifeform lol!!
15:27 mircea_popescu by now a fine way to get shot by "law enforcement" "responding" to "a situaiton" is to act like normal human being rather than the pond scum ustards are.
15:28 asciilifeform if yer white, they'll shoot, aha, and it will be printed in 0 newsrags and win 0 lawsuits
15:28 asciilifeform and 0 public whining countenanced.
15:30 mircea_popescu maybe black lives matter, cuz white lives sure don't.
15:31 mircea_popescu but anyway, "the suspect had his hands in his pockets and was whistling a tune, so of course the officer shot him. because that's what officers do, in this alt-nightmare we've built"
15:31 asciilifeform aha, could have a schmeisser in that ther pocket
15:32 asciilifeform and disobeyed orders to show ausweis
15:32 asciilifeform so naturally bandit, shot
15:32 mircea_popescu but in fairness, i still've not recovered from the whole kindergarten game ustards apparently play at airports, where the genossen lehrerin yells "freeze" and everyone does.
15:32 mircea_popescu totally such a land of opportunity, to get to play all the kindergarten games as adults.
15:32 mircea_popescu maybe practice saying no a little, interspersed, it's a wunderbar world.
15:32 mircea_popescu i can't imagine why anyoner'd ever want to fucking leave.
15:33 asciilifeform we already established that these folx never properly graduate from kindergarten.
15:33 mircea_popescu myeah.
15:36 danielpbarron i went to the NYC marthathon a few years ago and they had people lined up to get their bags checked on the way in -- i walked past all that right up to the guy with the magic wand, he waves it around me and lets me in. In my unsearched backpack was a half gallon stainless steel jug of water
15:36 mircea_popescu and re soros, gotta say i kinda like the man. if for naught else, the humiliating bank of england thing
15:36 asciilifeform danielpbarron: recall the story with mircea_popescu's '45
15:36 mircea_popescu danielpbarron yes, obviously. and in the nazi germany, gestapo had to stop taking calls from people because no clerks.
15:37 mircea_popescu whole thing is based on the ustards, not imposed upon them
15:38 asciilifeform there is ratio of who-based-on / on-whom-imposed
15:39 mircea_popescu how do you mean ?
15:40 asciilifeform solitary 'partizan' who rebels by 'not freeze' when asked by genossen lehrerin , or takes pot shot at the mayor, or goes to oregon and whatever it was, is not a counterweight to the pantsuits -- but rather the evening's entertainment
15:41 asciilifeform e.g. subj of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1670391 .
15:41 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 16:14 trinque: http://archive.is/dLlaV << gunman shot up some soi disant republicans
15:41 mircea_popescu perhaps
15:42 mircea_popescu certainly there is no way to inspire the pigs on a pig farm to rebel. you can hold whatever signs / do whatever dances
15:42 mircea_popescu they're where they belong.
~ 26 minutes ~
16:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: theoretically can get pigs to stampede, however.
16:08 mircea_popescu very theoretically
16:11 asciilifeform danielpbarron: the checkpoints people now have new ritual, which eats even moar time, slower queues, 'turn on the lappy'
16:11 asciilifeform danielpbarron: as if it were somehow impossible to replace every ~other~ cell in the battery with dynamite
16:12 danielpbarron just checking that it powers on, or what would they do if it booted something that wasn't windows?
16:12 mircea_popescu they wouldfn't think to do that
16:12 mircea_popescu therefore safe!\
16:12 asciilifeform danielpbarron: nobody cares , afaik, what it boots into
16:12 asciilifeform just that 'hey , powers on, so won't explode' ( somehow )
16:12 asciilifeform and woe be unto whoever has dead battery...
16:14 asciilifeform incidentally now this spectacle is seen not only in airport, but at sport matches, theatre, whatever large public event
16:14 mircea_popescu socialism never stays contained
16:14 asciilifeform why would it, lol
16:15 asciilifeform 'big enough', said no tumour ever
~ 15 minutes ~
16:30 asciilifeform in very other lulzies, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-07#1666814 >>>> https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/sudo-CVE-2017-1000367 ( https://archive.is/Peesh , https://archive.is/ObzrA )
16:30 a111 Logged on 2017-06-07 16:50 asciilifeform always wondered what somebody gotta have in his crankcase instead of brains, to run selinux
~ 2 hours 9 minutes ~
18:40 shinohai https://twitter.com/WeRateBitcoiner "We are the last bastion of centralized reputation." Why? Because we said so!
18:43 * asciilifeform recognized the mugs of gavin and karpeles, but who the fuck are the rest ?
18:44 asciilifeform szabo is in there. i had nfi he had a face
18:44 mircea_popescu psaw
18:46 shinohai Dr. Craig Wright "An honest man. 11/10"
18:46 shinohai yup
18:47 shinohai That's science right there.
18:47 mircea_popescu szabo ?!
18:47 mircea_popescu i'm sorry, he can't be this fucking stupid
18:48 asciilifeform easily - http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1657231
18:48 a111 Logged on 2017-05-16 22:04 mircea_popescu: there is no difference in this sense between nubbins, an idle idiot, and nanotube, a respectable professor. scammers known like theymos and lukejr, supposedly honest idiots like szabo, agents known like gavin or unknown like whatever others have this much in commom -- the call was made, and they strayed.
18:48 mircea_popescu dude...
18:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-08#1362867
18:48 a111 Logged on 2016-01-08 12:00 asciilifeform: 'Is was Wednesday, March 26, 2014. It was a cold winter outside, but not inside an old building of the Princeton university campus. The room, full of people, was warm. I was standing in front of some of the brightest minds in Bitcoin: Andresen, Bonneau, Eyal, Maxwell, Miller, Gün Sirer, Szabo, Todd and Zooko, to name only a few. My talk was about “SPV Mining”...'
18:50 shinohai Heh I'm blocked on twitter from like 98% of the people on this list lol
18:50 mircea_popescu heh
18:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and to think, none of those people were in bitcoin.
18:51 mircea_popescu this is like those old comintern photos.
18:51 mircea_popescu "pick the subdouble agent"
19:04 mod6 heh
~ 31 minutes ~
19:36 shinohai Will this be the "incident" that completes todays shooting trifecta? Stay tuned! http://archive.is/66Ghe
~ 56 minutes ~
20:32 asciilifeform shinohai: false alarm, supposedly
20:32 shinohai meh
20:44 asciilifeform in other, wholly unrelated martian wtf, http://marina.dreamwidth.org/1492934.html
20:53 shinohai http://archive.is/O7azT How convenient!
20:56 asciilifeform shinohai: lol, somehow i thought this already existed
20:58 shinohai I was surprised it didn't myself, but guess they had to beat other "cloud storage" providers to punch.
20:58 asciilifeform snoar
~ 20 minutes ~
21:18 asciilifeform moar martian material, https://archive.is/fE3tZ
~ 21 minutes ~
21:40 asciilifeform but now for something compleeetli different!! >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp6ePKe6iI >> greatest imho , i shit thee not, cinematic masterpiece of our time...
↖
21:40 asciilifeform BingoBoingo ^ might especially appreciate.
21:42 asciilifeform bonus : chick was fired from job ( as lowly food seller ! ) for thoughtcrime, for having been found to have authored $subj .
21:48 asciilifeform BingoBoingo et al : think we can get her here ?
21:49 asciilifeform .. does , apparently , have btc donation addr
21:49 asciilifeform so at least somehow aware of its existence.
21:52 shinohai Sent her msg on twitter: https://twitter.com/realemilyyoucis
21:52 asciilifeform oh hey.
21:52 asciilifeform neato shinohai .
21:52 * asciilifeform may be the last one alive to be entirely innocent of twatter
21:53 asciilifeform never banished there, never had acct, not 1ce.
21:53 shinohai I'm surprised I'm not banned yet.
~ 33 minutes ~
22:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can send a "message" via dorky webap
22:26 mircea_popescu might read it
22:33 mircea_popescu i can't recall if i got banned or bored of twitter.
22:48 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You got both at different times
22:48 mircea_popescu ah ok then lol
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