| 04:43 |
unpx |
I think we are all waiting for LWE to break in pieces |
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~ 3 hours 45 minutes ~ |
| 08:28 |
PeterL |
what's "LWE" ? |
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~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 08:49 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: suspect, 1 of the 'post-quantum' lulz pushed by the usual pushers . |
| 08:52 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: there's yet umpteenth attempt by the wreckers to restart the 2010s forkwarz, this time over 'quantum'(tm)(r)(c) alchemy 'any second nao' |
| 08:54 |
asciilifeform |
naturally the perps want to make old coinz unspendable, 'for yer own good', impose prb, mandate 'modern crypto sigs', etc. |
| 08:57 |
asciilifeform |
they've been at this for quite a while, with the occasional fud release (in no case based on any physical result, but this aint required, gullible folx will buy just about anyffing on tbtfcorp letterhead) |
| 09:01 |
asciilifeform |
see also e.g. thread & plentifully elsewhere in the l0gz. |
| 09:04 |
asciilifeform |
they won't ever give up on this crap. because convincing people to fuck themselves over cryptologically is over9000x cheaper than actually breaking ecc. even cheaper than rectothermal analysis. |
| 09:07 |
asciilifeform |
expect both hard and 'soft' phorks to pop up, fud storm broadcast 'from every clothes iron', etc. bigblox campaign v.2. |
| 09:08 |
PeterL |
hrm, how dod you get to all that from "LWE", is it an abbreviation for something? |
| 09:10 |
asciilifeform |
'learning with errors' |
| 09:11 |
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asciilifeform guessed based on what's coming outta the clothes irons. possibly unpx was talking about 'liquid whole egg', lol |
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~ 3 hours 4 minutes ~ |
| 12:16 |
billymg |
the drumbeat for a "post quantum" bitcoin fork has been growing louder, and 2026 is a very different time than 2017 |
| 12:17 |
billymg |
in 2017 could laugh and dream about dumping enemy fork coins for quick and easy btc profit, now all the goxes are fully captured, where would one dump? |
| 12:17 |
billymg |
see e.g. https://x.com/cz_binance/status/2038957571667825124 |
| 12:29 |
billymg |
also, relatedly, for the schizo "trust the plan" "patriots in control" take: https://blog.reaction.la/war/trump-wins-iran-war/#comment-2989445 |
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~ 3 hours 6 minutes ~ |
| 15:36 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: commenter refers to mp in present tense? necromancer or wat |
| 15:36 |
* |
asciilifeform checked date, seems current? |
| 15:48 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: the twist is that it aint enuff that the goxes currently appear 'all fully captured' ; they gotta ~stay~ captured after day x ( i.e. somehow stick to the idiocy in spite of pretty good , to put it softly, incentive to defect ) |
| 15:49 |
asciilifeform |
if not for this, the fun would've started some yrs ago |
| 15:54 |
* |
asciilifeform on top of this, knows of no reason to suppose that any serious % of coinz changing hands do so via the public goxes. last looked at their depths, they were a lol, 10-20btc enuff to move the exchrate on most of'em |
| 15:57 |
asciilifeform |
whoever actually entertains the notion that 'sumbody might invent a pill for ecc' can move his coinz to addr where pubkey not exposed yet. (for that matter, that's most old coinz afaik, not counting shitoshi's.) |
| 15:58 |
PeterL |
technically that bounty from MP was never rescinded, so I guess it is still valid (though it might be hard to collect) |
| 15:58 |
asciilifeform |
rather than 'hey, psst, we're totally aboutta invent a ecc cracker, so how about you fughet about using ecc and switch to this algo that we pinky-promise we don't and won't ever have a pill for, and btw here's a btc phork' nsa lulz |
| 15:59 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: iirc old man adolf had a bounty on churchill's head. collect, wainot |
| 15:59 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: yes, in another comment (don't feel like digging it up), said something like "and if you think MP died then i've got a bridge to sell you" |
| 16:01 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: if he's playing dead, he's doing a pretty thorough job of it |
| 16:02 |
billymg |
i can sympathize, it's a sort of "daddy mp is still watching over us, protecting us" pov |
| 16:02 |
asciilifeform |
last asciilifeform saw, no coinz asciilifeform knows to be associated with him have moved |
| 16:03 |
asciilifeform |
dun mean he aint swimming in brazil like mengele, naturally |
| 16:05 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: any idea who commenter was ? ( #t regular ? master troll ? ) |
| 16:07 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: no idea, he's not one of the regulars on jim's blog. came to post his rant about anyonecanspendolade and left/was banned |
| 16:08 |
asciilifeform |
maybe whaack , iirc it was his favourite subj |
| 16:08 |
asciilifeform |
( whaack are you still tuned in ? ) |
| 16:08 |
billymg |
it wasn't whaack, though i did share it with him too |
| 16:09 |
asciilifeform |
then nfi |
| 16:09 |
billymg |
my favorite bit was "rothchilds actually want you to have 1-address legacy coin" |
| 16:10 |
billymg |
which, sounds nice i guess, but don't see why banker would want anyone to have access to real bitcoin tech |
| 16:11 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: in ru sphere 'btc was cia/rothchibilderbergertrilateralmasons plot' is pretty common pov (those folx mostly missed boat 100% and today their butthurt could replace several sovok-era reactor's worth of steam output) |
| 16:22 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: pretty entertaining heap o'lulz in that 'reaction.la' link. who's blog is it ? ( asciilifeform not recalls encountering prev. ) |
| 16:32 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: he's been at it for a while, only goes by Jim. has several active regulars in the comment section, in some ways reminds me of the old logs. they self-identify as "neo-reactionary", after the thermidorian reaction of the french revolution |
| 16:33 |
asciilifeform |
there's a distinctly danielpbarron-style religious flavour, but asciilifeform only been reading for minutes and nfi whether representative sample |
| 16:33 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: there definitely is |
| 16:34 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: 'neo-reaction' was iirc (tm)(r)(c) yarvin & phriends |
| 16:34 |
asciilifeform |
guess it's nao this |
| 16:35 |
billymg |
another big theme is that the MAGA alliance is "thermidor", and they're pushing back against leftism that has gone off the rails (holiness spiraling, where last year's leftism is now $current_year's bigotry) |
| 16:35 |
asciilifeform |
same folx who spent '20-'24 'trump will totally seize the palace and hang the traitors, next tuesday' ? |
| 16:35 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: they pull heavily from yarvin, yes |
| 16:37 |
asciilifeform |
'we're clever dissidentz, see, we watch reich tv and flip the sign bit!' |
| 16:38 |
asciilifeform |
'we've found seekrit phaktz' 'wait, you said that ~decade ago, what didja do with the seekrit phaktz from then?' '...' |
| 16:40 |
billymg |
i have no insight into what's really happening behind the scenes, but personally i'm at Carl Schmitt's "The specific political distinction to which political actions and motives can be reduced is that between friend and enemy." |
| 16:42 |
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asciilifeform tickled that these folx seem to earnestly think that their polit. 'friends & enemies' appear on the reichtube screen |
| 16:42 |
asciilifeform |
... or for that matter at the notion that broak reich plebez have 'friends' somewhere in this sense |
| 16:43 |
asciilifeform |
'grandpa lenin^H^H^H^H^Htrump, friend of the children of the world(tm)(r)' |
| 16:46 |
asciilifeform |
are these folx still spamming silver coins etc at one another ? how'd that go ? |
| 16:47 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: dunno about silver, from what i've read they're mostly into btc |
| 16:47 |
asciilifeform |
( maybe ivermectin coinz ? or outta fashion, nao sumthing else equiv. ? ) |
| 16:49 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: when you meet someone new, are you able to tell pretty quickly if they're friend or enemy of asciilifeform? |
| 16:49 |
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asciilifeform associates reich.'rightist' 'dissidents' w/ the most abject roomtemp-iq-targeted scamola, and where even the few exceptions strongly stink of psyop. but wouldn't mind being proven wrong |
| 16:51 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: most 'new' asciilifeform chances to meet in meatspace in recent times neither obv. 'friend' nor 'enemy', just 'schmuck who only sees what's visible in front of his tank prism' |
| 16:51 |
asciilifeform |
in most cases that's the moron tube. or a flesh repeater of same. |
| 16:53 |
asciilifeform |
words 'friend'/'enemy' imply agency that most reich victims show 0 symptoms of having |
| 16:53 |
asciilifeform |
they're instead 'floating like shit in an icehole'(tm)(ru) through entire life. |
| 16:53 |
billymg |
well, re: danielpbarron, from reading his www i would consider him "friend", because of his professed values. same for most everyone here in the logs |
| 16:53 |
asciilifeform |
a++ |
| 16:54 |
asciilifeform |
but to see a face on the reichtube and think 'friend' ?! |
| 16:55 |
billymg |
about the ones on tv, i think it's more: does what they happen to be doing, for their own separate interests, happen to align more or less with my (and my friends') interests |
| 16:56 |
billymg |
and when leftist floats "90% unrealized gains tax on btc" -- not in my interest |
| 16:56 |
asciilifeform |
they're actors, or, if you prefer, muppets. whatever they 'do', aint shown on the screen, or particularly connected with the words coming outta it |
| 16:57 |
asciilifeform |
the muppet theatre includes e.g. '99% unrealized gain taxes' horror show for 'right', 'uterus inspection booths on the interstate' show for the pheminists, etc. sumkinda decerebrating hindbrain candy for ~erryone |
| 16:58 |
asciilifeform |
0 of which ever actually happens, and the theatre audience is encouraged to thank its 'heroes' (on prev. episodes of the muppetron) for 'preventing' |
| 16:59 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, the thing that ~actually~ happens ( e.g. 'milk cow moar, feed it less' for century+ frog boil ) not shown on the tv. |
| 17:02 |
billymg |
enemy wants to http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2025-09-28#1035058 -- is there no elite faction that does *not* want this? |
| 17:02 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2025-09-28 21:41:25 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|billymg]: rule a la brazil, presumably |
| 17:02 |
asciilifeform |
the actual, vs. movie, horror, is in fact 'biz as usual', the unexciting day to day life of a totalitarian shithole, where ~erryone simply gets slightly poorer while sitting on emotional seesaw -- not shown. |
| 17:03 |
asciilifeform |
'brazil' aint a thing that was, or could be, enacted overnight. it's a logical conclusion, like cirrhosis, of many yrs of decay |
| 17:04 |
asciilifeform |
certain fella in ru said '90s came outta the 80s the way blood comes outta a shot head' |
| 17:04 |
asciilifeform |
he had a point. |
| 17:10 |
asciilifeform |
most reich inmates, even the brighter folx, aint prepared to swallow 'i know absolutely 0 about big picture', so they'll either watch reichtube directly, or hang out with folx who do, or n degrees removed. i.e. continue to run the rootkit outta sense of existential despair, despite not particularly wanting to |
| 17:10 |
asciilifeform |
and then seesaw re 'trump will ... next tues' 'vote, or clitler will ...' etc |
| 17:11 |
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asciilifeform naively would've thought the seerioous christians et al would be the folx immune from this kinda thing, but seems that in practice makes 0 diff |
| 17:13 |
asciilifeform |
instead they're sitting on forums an' expounding re how cryptography is actually impossible, if yer seeing sumthing on the net, reich suffers it to exist, etc. w/ the others. |
| 17:13 |
asciilifeform |
'maff is hard, lets go shopping' (tm)(r)(that doll) |
| 17:15 |
asciilifeform |
recall the tale where devout d00d drowns in a flood, after refusing chopper evac, and st peter says 'idiot, i sent you a whole chopper' |
| 17:15 |
billymg |
it sounds like you're implying that cryptography is true and genuine weapon against enemy |
| 17:16 |
asciilifeform |
for folx who actually bother to learn where the trigger is and which end the bullet comes outta, lol |
| 17:17 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: does that require someone two load your ffa series into their own head, or merely properly use gpg/bitcoind? |
| 17:17 |
billymg |
to* load |
| 17:18 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: abstractly, whatever's done on a comp is a pointless cargo cult ritual unless it's happening as part of a balanced diet of wot, fitting into head, and actually having sumthing worth encrypting/signing obv |
| 17:18 |
asciilifeform |
on all 1st 2 counts folx fell down, with btc lingering on like green leaf in a garbage disposal for the time being |
| 17:19 |
billymg |
right, makes sense |
| 17:19 |
asciilifeform |
* for the 3rd count |
| 17:22 |
asciilifeform |
weapons dun work unless 1) you fire'em 2) you have a reasonably accurate picture of which end the bullet comes out of 3) you have a target (tv screen -- not a useful target) |
| 17:23 |
asciilifeform |
btc was the 1st weapon that made a publicly visible (smallish, but visible) hole in the beast. |
| 17:24 |
billymg |
would be so cool to have a wot again |
| 17:25 |
asciilifeform |
in principle possible to make bigger holes. (e.g. asciilifeform's scheme where mined blox sometimes go to random folx, in a way that isn't easily detectable to 3rd party, so as to disincentivize parking coin at goxes -- but not published b/c not practical, btc already exists as-is and asciilifeform not interested in shitco |
| 17:25 |
asciilifeform |
inistics) |
| 17:26 |
asciilifeform |
whoever gives a damn, can prolly derive some reasonably sane variant of this himself. |
| 17:26 |
asciilifeform |
just like e.g. pest could've been written in 1990s |
| 17:26 |
asciilifeform |
(for all asciilifeform knows -- WAS written. and the users -- still using. there's not that many ways to do it) |
| 17:27 |
billymg |
i'm not familiar with the random btc blocks redistribution scheme, could you elaborate |
| 17:28 |
billymg |
or give link |
| 17:28 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: we had at least 1 thrd re subj, but can't seem to find atm |
| 17:29 |
asciilifeform |
the notion was, a hypothetical 'coin' where 'goxing' is -ev in a plainly calculable and erryday sense |
| 17:30 |
asciilifeform |
(vs. nao, where merely 'goxmeister can pull a mtgox 1day') |
| 17:30 |
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asciilifeform was trying to supply a compact example, rather than open the hatch on the rabbit hole just nao |
| 17:32 |
asciilifeform |
other examples, beaten to agonizing death in the l0gz -- otp crypto for voice comms, etc |
| 17:34 |
asciilifeform |
or the very same pestnet, could be hosting all the warez anyone could want, etc |
| 17:34 |
asciilifeform |
but mno, 'rightists' will sit & whine about telegram being censored etc etc |
| 17:36 |
asciilifeform |
on the physical end of things, e.g. toy quadcopters could be carrying on considerably moar mischief than they currently do ( ~0 , outside of the cn-supplied toys supplied to both sides in ukristan ) |
| 17:36 |
asciilifeform |
( at the very least could be e.g. emplacing radio relays in over9000 places ) |
| 17:37 |
asciilifeform |
but nobody afaik has any juice left to do any of it, 'pointless', 'reich is omnipotent', and the perennial 'how will this make me rich' gold medal shrug |
| 17:39 |
billymg |
it's a young man's game |
| 17:39 |
asciilifeform |
technically they're right, what's the point of an otp talker if all you've got to talk about is tv characters or how to get chix to spread etc |
| 17:40 |
asciilifeform |
st peter would say 'idiots, i sent you btc + rsa' etc |
| 17:40 |
asciilifeform |
nooo, gotta sit & drown. |
| 17:41 |
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asciilifeform convinced it has ~0 to do w/ old age. good % of the afflicted folx are in their 20s |
| 17:42 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: was going to add, i think there's a distinct difference between the previous youth generation that grew up in the 80s and 90s vs today's |
| 17:42 |
asciilifeform |
but they wanna stare at screen instead of doing anyffin even vaguely original |
| 17:43 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: 80s-90s gen from this pov failed just as abjectly |
| 17:43 |
billymg |
i was talking to someone in cr about a year ago, he was complaining about the import taxes, i told him about services that "handle all of that for you", gave him my contact. later asked if he tried it out, "nah, too risky" |
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| 17:44 |
asciilifeform |
rright, and not wrong technically, rather how 'btc too risky' |
| 17:44 |
asciilifeform |
better to take it up the arse reliably, is the notion there |
| 17:44 |
asciilifeform |
when jus prima noctis returns, they'll think that schemes for weaseling outta it also 'too risky' |
| 17:45 |
billymg |
80s and 90s gen at least tried. all the warez, the occupy lulz (which imo was serious in the beginning), then btc |
| 17:45 |
billymg |
this gen seems to go straight for signal/telegram and youtube |
| 17:46 |
asciilifeform |
'tis lulzy, e.g. mp was tryin' to convince 20yos to, more or less, charge at machineguns and put on shaheed vests, while asciilifeform couldn't convince them to sit down and understand otp etc |
| 17:47 |
asciilifeform |
'last psychiatrist' had some piece re how for most reich inmates, the offer to sit down and learn some basic maffs is frightening more than death, because self image wound etc. imho he had point. |
| 17:49 |
asciilifeform |
at the end of it all, naodays even the usg provocateurs who earn living by raising 'shaheeds' from cradle from homes for incurable tards -- can't find any |
| 17:49 |
billymg |
http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2026-04-09#1036091 << to expand, for reference, the local ~all use these. only whites are using the "authorized" channels |
| 17:49 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2026-04-09 17:43:41 billymg: i was talking to someone in cr about a year ago, he was complaining about the import taxes, i told him about services that "handle all of that for you", gave him my contact. later asked if he tried it out, "nah, too risky" |
| 17:50 |
billymg |
locals* |
| 17:52 |
asciilifeform |
illustration. |