#trilema | 2016-12-09

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579712 << there is yet no futures market principally because agreement among the major players keeps the prices stable. the reasonings through which that agreement is distilled however are getting ever more complex ; this yet holds because everyone involved has a brain the size of staten island and can mostly follow the intricacies + a patience the size of a larger planet's ice caps, so they

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a111

Logged on 2016-12-08 13:02 Framedragger: diana_coman: ah, good idea, thanks :)

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07:01	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579712 << there is yet no futures market principally because agreement among the major players keeps the prices stable. the reasonings through which that agreement is distilled however are getting ever more complex ; this yet holds because everyone involved has a brain the size of staten island and can mostly follow the intricacies + a patience the size of a larger planet's ice caps, so they
07:01	a111	Logged on 2016-12-08 13:02 Framedragger: diana_coman: ah, good idea, thanks :)
07:01	mircea_popescu	do follow. neither of these are likely to hold long term and moreover complexity ever increases, so i expect they'll emerge next year or so.
07:05	mircea_popescu	see http://trilema.com/2016/memoranda-and-shit-like-1800s-high-diplomacy/ re the first point, but yes plenty other examples scattered in the logs ; see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-11-29.log.html#t13:20:08 re the later - the reason the contract is not lucrative is because cft is expected to cost 180% in the future because "consensus"-ed. though in fairness the supplies are ever dubious in practice etc - but there's system st
07:05	mircea_popescu	ickiness in economics not just price stickiness, and esp in chaotic situations it's actually a stronger effect.
07:10	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579813 << on meditation, this is not at all the case. the boyar was blamed in 1700 for the exact reason the jew was blamed in 1900 : the perception of "optionality" in the sense of http://trilema.com/2013/the-dead-jew-and-the-raped-girl/ ; strictly drawn along the lines of "the emperor is ; the gold is ; the grain is and the famine is ; disease and war and grass and cunt and penis all are -
07:10	a111	Logged on 2016-12-08 16:59 asciilifeform: well yes, you blame the d00d who actually worked you to the bone
07:10	mircea_popescu	but the $enemy DOES!"
07:11	mircea_popescu	this inadherence to modernism is why russia was modernised via socialism/soviets, not via capitalism/industrialism.
07:12	mircea_popescu	so no, the peasant didn't blame the boyar because the boyar did something. the peasant doesn't care about that (nor was the doing actually verifiable as such, nor did it likely happen rather than the opposite). the peasant blame the boyar because the boyar was the wrong thing, a do-er rather than an is-er.
07:12	mircea_popescu	and which is why the "golden toilet" device is so important in trying to sell modernism to traditionalist societies - the point is to show optionality in the desired public enemy.
07:14	mircea_popescu	it directly mirrors the biblical understanding (god was ; and lucifer did) and very much explains why "patriotic war" and "peace keeping" and "Defending" and etcetera. the narrative always is "we - were ; enemy - did ; we - shall be again".
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07:14	mircea_popescu	this very much because contrary to pretense commonly shared and widely held, modernism was never more than a superficial paint coat over things.
07:14	mircea_popescu	there's no practical way in which anything can reduce to "doing". even in software.
07:15	mircea_popescu	(also why so many of the moribund modernist world take refuge in "coding" as they understand it rather than much more obviously productive, satisfiying and accessible venues)
07:28	Framedragger	http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579752 << seeing as nobody was doing that, here's the result of basically that: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored-ssh-boxes/ - i may or may not do the other things (banners for http/ssh/telnet/ftp/etc), everyone feel free to do the latter, you can
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07:28	a111	Logged on 2016-12-08 15:19 mircea_popescu: cat iplist.txt \| while read ip; do curl -A "blabla" "http://$ip/" > results.txt; done
07:28	Framedragger	integrate data from http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/
07:29	Framedragger	(~545 boxes out of 1319 phuctored respond to http - only the ones that do are in there.)
07:30	mircea_popescu	nice!
07:42	Framedragger	http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580257 << ty, fixed (also reported by punkman, but i was afk at that point)
07:42	a111	Logged on 2016-12-09 04:08 ben_vulpes: !~later tell Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/ << 404s
07:43	*	Framedragger will try to find time to tie up some loose ends (log, ssh banners in nice format, etc)
07:45	mircea_popescu	!!up goldfinger
07:45	deedbot	goldfinger voiced for 30 minutes.
07:45	mircea_popescu	how's england Framedragger ?
07:46	Framedragger	bland and bland.
07:46	mircea_popescu	you know you're no longer legally allowed to use pgp in that jurisdiction yea ?
07:46	shinohai	wut
07:47	Framedragger	+/- that, plus hacking into shit will become commonplace police practice (eh who am i kidding and being naive about, they're simply 'streamlining' all that in the judicial sense..)
07:47	Framedragger	i'm out ~june-july :)
07:47	goldfinger	Hello
07:47	mircea_popescu	ello
07:47	goldfinger	How come I am voiced for only 30 minutes?
07:47	shinohai	hola
07:47	mircea_popescu	shinohai something something police powers something something we think we exist something something
07:48	goldfinger	Really, PGP is illegal in england?
07:48	mircea_popescu	goldfinger the better question is why should you be voiced at all. who're you ?