#trilema | 2018-12-18

if it's gonna get me a bunch of negative ratings i'd rather it get removed from the feed bot. i'd like to keep using deedbot and eulora

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d00d is well along in the process of moving into own head.

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danielpbarron: relax, no neg ratings yet. but if folx end up snoring for long enuff, i expect will tune out

~ 2 hours 1 minutes ~

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danielpbarron do you have a bunch of readers interested in the quotes you figure, or what's the thinking ?

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meanwhile in "tumblr goes full retard", https://i.ibb.co/HrXHSKJ/tumblr.jpg

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"ai", rite. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708869

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Logged on 2017-09-01 06:57 mircea_popescu: this actually happens, you flip the pixels it "learned" and it sees the fridge and says cat.

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BingoBoingo " pupling" lol\

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this thing looks exactrly like argentina "comicon". bunch of braindead orcs, wtf.

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diana_coman

<asciilifeform> danielpbarron: relax, no neg ratings yet. but if folx end up snoring for long enuff, i expect will tune out -> fwiw I already tuned out

~ 3 hours 40 minutes ~

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asciilifeform: you can leave messages for me in the log by just mentioning my name, i always see later's before i have a chance to speak

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lobbesbot

phf: Sent 17 hours and 5 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> didja ever try asking dks for PAL src's ?

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asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure he doesn't have PAL sources in digital form, and if he does, i think it's purely accidental i.e. there are source files on some tape or some drive, but i don't think he'll be able to find them from memory

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there are 3600 era PAL sources in a form of scans, there might be some overlap between those and ivory. i doubt that's the case, but it's worth investigating

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asciilifeform: i saw you posted a highres photo of macivory you found on the internet, but could you perhaps post a couple of nice photos of your current board, where one can see labels on chips and whatever text on the surface

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881331 << i think danielpbarron is pushing transcendental imperative; though, and as per some of the long ago threads on subject of traditional societies, i will guess it is mostly a pose on his part. his imperative doesn't align with that of all the rest of the republic members, so it is hard to relate to on substance, but in form i find it entertaining: what happens if you confront modern christian

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Logged on 2018-12-18 05:21 trinque: yet another post of reddit quotes from danielpbarron. this is sad.

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with an unwavering "because god said so right here" position.

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it's certainly a dodgy, bottom of the barrel choice of venue though..

~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~

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phf: apologies for slow, but i havent, believe or not, popped the thing yet

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gotta clear the antistatic vivisectiom table.

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'sapper errs 1ce', could take another 10y to get a 2nd 'ivory' if i kill this one.

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phf: and yes i'ma post 25mpixel shots of top, bottlm, ditto for daughterboard, and full chip id with links to datashits

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and the xray, wheni get it.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881345 << already replied that he got'em on paper, but in treasure chest on wrong coast ( he moved to west. ) i answered with offer to pay his flight to get'em plus what to make it worth his while. no answ to this just yet.

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Logged on 2018-12-18 11:41 phf: asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure he doesn't have PAL sources in digital form, and if he does, i think it's purely accidental i.e. there are source files on some tape or some drive, but i don't think he'll be able to find them from memory

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asciilifeform: well, the papers have 3600 era pals

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hence my "how much is overlap" question

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phf: he answrd specifically re the 'macivory'. but i havent seen inside his treasurechest, so cannot say if he is mistaken and lost it

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phf: relatedly, uncrated that 'scsi2sd' thing last night, will photo also when i get it connected

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( apparently it isn't merely plug an' fughet, gotta config it to pretend to be crapple disk, and then will need coupla bolix partitions also.. )

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i'm sadly in a pile of saecular shit atm, and on top of that behind sched in ffa. so will be slow.

~ 1 hours 15 minutes ~

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aaand in this morn's fetlife lulz, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/W4OXR/?raw=true << "mainstream" girly runs into mainstream white culture.

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guten morgen mircea_popescu !

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heya!

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881342 << this, for the record, is exactly how things go. one can build himself a reputation as a director, on the strength (on the ~strength~!!!) of shit like pulp fiction, or reservoir dogs, or w/e the hell. but if the one then continues in the vein of bullshit, directing animation and whatnever kill bill nonsense, uma thurman's deformed toes, that someone will ~destroy~ his reputation, an

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Logged on 2018-12-18 07:54 diana_coman: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: relax, no neg ratings yet. but if folx end up snoring for long enuff, i expect will tune out -> fwiw I already tuned out

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d in the process his life and himself. because no, as tempting as the theory is, humans can't generally manage to destroy their reputations but survive in body or mind.

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the exact same thing applies universally and throiughout. the world works a certain way, and it will continue to do so. if you build a blog on the strength of being interesting, you will destroy it with crap ; and if you build a reputation on being sane, you will destroy it with insanity. and so on. at no point is your "conviction" at issue (nor is it interesting, nor important). what's at issue is ~reality~, and reality does

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n't give a damn about how you feel.

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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877614 makes me suspect he's already eltsining

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Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 danielpbarron: that wouldn't be the worst thing

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iirc mircea_popescu had a piece re macroscale version of cellular apoptosis.

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and, while at it : the aferations of "metaphysics", specifically regarding the matter in terms of "oh, mp is so lost in the world he can't see the things beyond the world" is so much infantile aferant bullshit. be it "robo-hitlers" or "gods" or whatever other nonsense, the important property of things "beyond" the world and "above" the world and "after" the world and "ultimate" and so on is that they are not.

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there's nothing BEYOND the world. the things claimed to be so are always and without exception ~inferior~ not superior in the tree of things. one's fantasies of self-realisation, be they wet dreams about little miss rottencrotch two chairs down in chem class or "the rapture", are just so much teenage wank. it dun matter if the teenager's name is moses or daniel, their wank is not "above the world". it's part of the world, and

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a minor and neglectable part at that.

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obviously the (male) teenager's temptation is to imagine his stupid shit is "above". but this is his problem, not his "intuition" or "wisdom" or w/e the fuck.

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god is ~just another trope~. like "the voyage", like "the teenage witch", like "vampires" or "magic horses" or "the island of buyan", god is just another trope. tropes are common places of fiction. fiction is a product of imagination. imagination is mildly-restrained psychogenic noise, which is a class of noise, like wetware thought or like fg output. which are phenomena, which is one half of the world (the other half being o

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bjects).

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that's 1 trope, 2 fiction, 3 imagination, 4 noise, 5 phenomena. FIVE nodes down from the top node of all things, "the world".

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the logical result of trying to physically move into a fictional palace is terry davis's train ride.

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and it so happens that god wank scores right there with "commercial communication" aka spam (another trope of fiction) on the scale of republican appreciation of fiction.

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at least write fucking poems.

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(and yes, /me also tuned out just about when the quotes started. for one thing because i couldn't give less of a shit about the english version of jewish texts, i can read the originals and i can't stand anglotardation)

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newton somehow pulled off the sitting on two chairs biz, but most folx aint newton

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and let it be said, translating the torah ~in english~ was a fucking stupid idea. english is not a language that can ~carry~ such things.

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mircea_popescu: you should see the jp bible some time.

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all the pretense of imperial brits aside, trying to build themselves an alt-english out of hammer-whacked chunks of latin and greek. because guess what, nobody today speaks 1770-level cultivated english. and certainly nobody among the self-help ikea-brand of "preachers" in the intellectually arid center of our colonies in the new world.

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( the jesuits baked. and it's a riot. when jp was pried open in 19th c, the euros found some 'christians', promptly barfed -- the cleanup job shogunate did wasn't quite 100%.)

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asciilifeform no, i have, it's the kek of all time.

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sorta like that great cartoon you found, with "ww2"

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aaha

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876445 << subj

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Logged on 2018-11-30 17:42 asciilifeform: was transparently http://pbfcomics.com/comics/now-showing/

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asciilifeform moreover it makes a fucking difference WHO speaks english. which is a readily lost point. there's an episode in seinfeld (when george converts to "latvian" orthodoxy) including a soundbyte from old jewish woman with strong yidish accent, "when you die, you die. you don't go anywhere."

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THAT half liner summarizes ~correctly~ the whole fucking nine paragraph thing i ended up stuck putting in above.

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and it ~is~ in english. but it is not the english of Jamie McMoron, slightly overweight ex-mechanic turned "pastor" in Michigan.

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because that's the fucking problem with english, it can not ~carry~. human languages have this property, that they retain in their own thick fibers, particles of the wisdom of speakers, to bestow them on the dumb neat round heads of repeaters.

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english is ~thin~. it retain nothing. moron can say same words and gain ~nothing~ thereby.

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... and particles of stupid

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certainly. which is why selection is important and meaningful. in latin. not so in english.

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which is why i say, makes 0 fucking sense to have translated the torah.

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some benighted folx think this only applies to prog langs -- mno.

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this goes directly to my problem with chinese -- english is pretty much the closest thing to chinese known to white man.

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the twist is that actual chinese may or may not have this property.

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asciilifeform cannot say yet

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as i currently understand, the cn folx have own, and quite diff, set of cognitive bugs, quite unlike the anglos

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consider the illustrative example of how the germans inhabiting north america ended up thinking they're "english" : the english were losing badly their war with the dutch, at the time the republic. so they decided -- the elite, that is -- to make the dutch an offer they couldn't refuse : behead the (catholic) king, import william, prince of orange-nassau as the new english king. thereby england gets a ruling class and the dut

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ch get slaves to make ~and especially man~ ships cheaply.

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the dutch bought, moved over, started "new england". gave the same "english" crown their new world possessions.

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when a decade later the american germans revolted against europe they called it "england" for no fucking reason whatsoever.

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and so on.

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THIN.

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https://www.gutenberg.org/files/28554/28554-h/28554-h.htm << for folx who like lesson in fiction form.

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and ~now~they go about like fucking morons, re-doing the 16th century german peasant movements.

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because totally, history never happened, started over because "new" world.

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to write about divinity interestingly, one needs to be aware of a ~shitload~ more stuff than is available at oklahoma public library, is the thing.

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how the fuck am i going to be interested by a three-centuries-later, three-hundred-books-unread rehash of a ~minor~ ~peasant~ movement ?! what next, we're going to sit around wondering in fascination at pete_d's accomplishments ? hory shit, some guy got married and carefully didn't piss off the in-laws his whole life. NEVER HEAR THAT STORY BEFORE PLOX TELL ME MORE!

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it's like watching reality tv by & for retards, "oh, look, it's another morning, will john the retard manage to tie his shoes his time ? we will be back after a word from our sponsor, Watch Paint Dry While Flies Fuck (tm)"

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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1785123/ << i truly recommend any who hasn't seen this thing try for fifteen minutes. it's worth it just for the sheer wtf.

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mircea_popescu: you oughta see the 'theology' pushed by some of the moar 'advanced' ameri-church folx. where jizzus... spoke english

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no, i'm aware.

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you should look at their paratheological disputes sometime.

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18th century "rationalist" paintings were very keen on the cadaver synod, but this is the pongo papacy.

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also observe how they dun do crusades, jihads, on washington, instead they tithe to buy mcmansion for self-proclaimed mcmoron popes in nebraska etc

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the latter laugh all the way to the bank. (didja ever see a 'mega-church' when toured usa ?)

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meh, apparently "pongo" google-denotes a dalmatian. it's the species name of a large, loud subhuman hominid.

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asciilifeform yeah, we were discussing one here at some point also.

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a++ effective, time-tested chumpatron in 'new world'

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they set'em going as soon as sailed and went out of range of euro lymphocytes

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anyway, it's again a weakass copy of hasidism. they also had dynasties, though there's a lot of difference between tzvi hirsch and jimmy swaggart

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the hasids at least weren't wanking in eng

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mircea_popescu: i find fascinating the parallel b/w ameri-christianity and items like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881006

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Logged on 2018-12-16 00:25 a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.

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there's certainly something there.

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!#s oxcart

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16 results for "oxcart", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=oxcart

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835417 , orig via a mircea_popescu piece

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Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'

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(and the fact that nobody asked "which, the pole or the prussian" kinda is exactly what i'm talking about. what the fuck, we're going to discuss things we don't know about, meh)

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mircea_popescu: recall yer http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268 observation ? imho the christians divided by 0 when they nixed their ( whatever its problems at the time ) structure of authority.

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Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."

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no cuz christ bla bla.

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hey, christ spoke to terry davis and told him how to achieve nirvana. a+++.

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i need an action for the hand gesture.

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asciilifeform brb,teatime

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<mircea_popescu> this thing looks exactrly like argentina "comicon". bunch of braindead orcs, wtf. << Just about. Would be improved ~500% simply by moving it to the Kibon Pavilion or any number of other venuesfor beach proximity

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Or at least catching up to small town Illinois in their festival food game

~ 19 minutes ~

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asciilifeform so far i entirely agree you can't use montgomery for your purpose.

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asciilifeform i was going to post on http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 ; but i'm not about to do gymnastics for it. note that i don't ask you to genuflect before commenting on trilema!

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so here it is instead :

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> -- Find the position of eldest nonzero bit, if any exist

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Fwiw, this is incorrect. 0 ~is~ the postion of the eldest 1 if "none exist", and the comment correctly reads "Find the position of eldest nonzero bit."

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> Index := W_Mux(Index + 1, Index, W_ZeroP(W));

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Wouldn't it be (very marginally) cheaper to simply do what you did before, ie Index := W_Mux(b, Index, W_ZeroP(W)); ?

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(i was also going to use the reference thing, but it dun fucking work, i end up with http://www.loper-os.org/#selection-5115.22-5115.37 useless junk

~ 21 minutes ~

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mircea_popescu: it gotta crank Index forward. but nao that i think about it, could be equiv. : Index := Index + W_ZeroP(W) .

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i thought you were muxing because didn't like the additions for some reason

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(i dunno, optimized on some architectures somehow ?)

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word+word additions are O(1)

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at least afaik.

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anyway, my point is : it ~already~ cranks b forward. might as well piggyback on that

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afaik on all known irons.

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mircea_popescu: how do you mean

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(if i understand correclty, and := is in fact better/cheaper than +)

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the loop cranks, but the index only gotta crank when nonzerobit

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asciilifeform b, the index of the loop, cranks on every iteration.

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um

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mircea_popescu shall go re-read this.

~ 19 minutes ~

12:00

Meanwhile in Latino Problems Today: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/barcos-formaron-un-embalse-que-inunda-carmelo-20181217202841

~ 24 minutes ~

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881458 << this is known bug in my ver of mircea_popescu's script, i'ma fix it , but 1st priority is ffaism currently

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Logged on 2018-12-18 16:09 mircea_popescu: (i was also going to use the reference thing, but it dun fucking work, i end up with http://www.loper-os.org/#selection-5115.22-5115.37 useless junk

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( it triggers if you make a selection and then unmake )

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fwiw correctly-baked sels work 100% when linked, hence why i kept the script around as it currently stands

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881459 << err, W_NZeroP

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Logged on 2018-12-18 16:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gotta crank Index forward. but nao that i think about it, could be equiv. : Index := Index + W_ZeroP(W) .

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btw, FZ_Measure only happens 1nce during a modexp, and is around 0.01% of the cpu cost. but i'd still like to have the simplest mechanism.

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mircea_popescu: i'ma add the above massaged ver to the mailbag sect of 14b.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881465 << will add to this : on any hypothetical iron where add and sub aint constant-time ( i know of none , but could hypothetically exist in fyooyoor ) the overall 'is modexp constant-time' litmus will ring alarm.

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Logged on 2018-12-18 16:39 asciilifeform: afaik on all known irons.

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( user porting ffa to new irons is expected to run the litmus )

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feedbot

http://qntra.net/2018/12/britain-starting-to-plan-for-no-deal-brexit-while-focus-remains-on-not-actually-brexit-deal/ << Qntra -- Britain Starting To Plan For No Deal Brexit While Focus Remains On Not Actually Brexit Deal

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btw 14b contains a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2753 -style 'electrical' illustration of barrett, as well as the coad

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( to demonstrate ~space~ as well as time of the algo )

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http://www.loper-os.org/pub/14b_peek.html << sneak preview of subj

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( warning: uncorrected draft, harmful or fatal if swallowed(tm) ! )

~ 36 minutes ~

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881336 << yes, i want my blog to be something other people in my church can be interested in reading; also i want it to be something i can share anywhere and have it lead people to the truth

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Logged on 2018-12-18 07:29 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron do you have a bunch of readers interested in the quotes you figure, or what's the thinking ?

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881371 << i have read the things i used to post, and i hate them; they are written poorly and show off how weak i am as a person. i honestly think my recent stuff is much more interesting

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Logged on 2018-12-18 14:51 mircea_popescu: the exact same thing applies universally and throiughout. the world works a certain way, and it will continue to do so. if you build a blog on the strength of being interesting, you will destroy it with crap ; and if you build a reputation on being sane, you will destroy it with insanity. and so on. at no point is your "conviction" at issue (nor is it interesting, nor important). what's at issue is ~reality~, and reality does

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danielpbarron: do you believe that it is possible to have a meaningful exchange without shared priors ?

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( ... or that it is possible to get folx to 'install' yer priors, by throwing them repeatedly ?? )

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it's rare but it happens

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what are the shared priors in this case?

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danielpbarron: the relation b/w danielpbarron's scriptures & reality

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mircea_popescu: on rereading, i fear that my orig algo is actually ~wrong~

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and , when tested on 1e6 FG outputs, worked accidentally

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the reason I do it is because those scriptures say to do it. All things are caused by God, even Him causing me and other saints to preach, and Him causing lost people to turn away from destruction

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it oughta be Index := W_Mux(Index + b, Index, W_ZeroP(W)); .

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( the reason why worked, is that barrett is ( as shown in ch 14a ) 'too forgiving' of wrong choice of constant J . )

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i'ma have to do a thorough rewalk of the logic in 13.

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FZ_Measure as it currently exists, will undershoot the actual value for some inputs.

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err, hm, nm

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false alarm. i misread own item, it is correct (tho inefficient, as described earlier) , we increment for so long as W is nonzero while shifted.

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i'ma still rewalk 13.

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apologies to the folx whose blood pressure i raised.

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danielpbarron: i dun expect an answer that'll run on my hardware, but i cannot resist to ask, why yahwe and not vishnu ? ( and didja settle this by rtfm of both scriptures, or didja http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876407 it ? )

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Logged on 2018-11-30 17:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, asciilifeform is not usually the 'Пастернака не читал, но осуждаю'(tm)(r) type. so yes tried to read.

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i can't give a rational answer. every man's religion is right in his own eyes

~ 23 minutes ~

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asciilifeform i kinda went away with the same suspicion.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881350 << it ~might~ be entertaining. the problem with comedy is that inept timing, poor delivery and insufficient culture coupled with the wrong sort of personality will bomb the best of material.

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Logged on 2018-12-18 12:05 phf: with an unwavering "because god said so right here" position.

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which is how a dozen writers end up writing for jerry lewis, rather than a dozen jerry lewises banging down the door of Joe Q Writer : way the FUCK more good premises than folk who can do something with them.

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also why the whole "my dear folks, blog!" and everything else. the shortage is of hands not of "ideas".

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but outside of this, yes, the best available recuperative reconstruction of danielpbarron 's latest shenanigans is in this vein, "trolling xtians".

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that also aside, it's not a matter of " his imperative doesn't align with that of all the rest of the republic ". this is like saying "the medicine of african shamans doesn't allign with the post-pasteur views". not a matter of "not allign", a matter of "that false '''imperative''' has been floating about to 0 effect for three thousand years ; this actual imperative is manifestly more powerful."

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i'm not gonna go about pretending like "whatever, ox power, combustion engine, what the hell's the difference". pretty fucking well evident what the hell's the difference.

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not going back to roman numerals, either. and so following.

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diana_coman

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881500 -> o.O is danielpbarron a saint nao?

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Logged on 2018-12-18 18:42 danielpbarron: the reason I do it is because those scriptures say to do it. All things are caused by God, even Him causing me and other saints to preach, and Him causing lost people to turn away from destruction

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881351 << it has also been done to (literal) death. has all the cachet of "knock knock" jokes.

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Logged on 2018-12-18 12:06 phf: it's certainly a dodgy, bottom of the barrel choice of venue though..

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881357 << you know, it occurs to me that for someone who was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816553 taped out, you got a lot of moolah to imperially throw about, stripper parties with special-ordered cross-coast stripper, whatnot.

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Logged on 2018-12-18 13:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881345 << already replied that he got'em on paper, but in treasure chest on wrong coast ( he moved to west. ) i answered with offer to pay his flight to get'em plus what to make it worth his while. no answ to this just yet.

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Logged on 2018-05-22 15:24 asciilifeform: next one will have to be somebody else tho

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881489 << then, logically, it belongs read by the feedbot of the channel of your church. just because the http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.0-185.1138 problem doesn't mean you get to assuage your evident awareness of what a shithead your bf is by hanging out with the cool chicks and pretending to some sort of comunion. go, get the tards off the mud they've been packin

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Logged on 2018-12-18 18:18 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881336 << yes, i want my blog to be something other people in my church can be interested in reading; also i want it to be something i can share anywhere and have it lead people to the truth

14:55

g up their bungholes lo these many years, have them make channels and feedbots and what else a civilised person such as yourself has been accustomed to have access to, and then you'll have a feed.

14:56

that's what i said, remove it from the feed in here. i'm not arguing to keep it showing up where it isn't wanted

14:56

otherwise what is this, meet the rich girls at yoga class two hours a week and then daydream those two hours on repead all the rest of the time you spend in the rv with the pothead and the empty takeout containers ?

14:57

i'm not even saying you're arguing ; i'm trying to point out something to you maybe who knows, it sparks teh understanding.

14:57

why is it that this church is notable in spite of not having a feedbot ?

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14:59

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881495 << in the end, this is how (and why) republics die. the sort of folk who are actually willing to do the correct thing (ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880344 ) are generally doing it from the outside, rather than from the inside.

14:59

Logged on 2018-12-18 18:30 danielpbarron: it's rare but it happens

14:59

Logged on 2018-12-12 19:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802755 << did you walk that db yet btw ?

14:59

asciilifeform wants to hire BingoBoingo to do it ; BingoBoingo is looking around for "awk experts" to do it. meanwhile, danielpbarron is out there doing it.

14:59

entirely fucking wrongly, trying to get sane people to be stupid, rather than trying to get stupid people to be sane. and as he says -- rarely, but it works.

15:00

over however many years, rarely but it works here and there, and soon enough you wonder where the great went and why does it have to be agained.

15:00

well, whoopdeedoo... if instead of letting the ants eat your dumb asses you ate the ants, it'd be the other way. and until it isn't the other way, it'll keep being this way, grand discovery this.

15:01

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881512 << the algo's correct tho. (just nao walked it again on chalkboard)

15:01

Logged on 2018-12-18 19:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i kinda went away with the same suspicion.

15:02

asciilifeform yeah, can't say i found anything.

15:02

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881525 << dun think that asciilifeform's loaded; he had small bit of dough specifically set aside for 'if bolix appears!'

15:02

Logged on 2018-12-18 19:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881357 << you know, it occurs to me that for someone who was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816553 taped out, you got a lot of moolah to imperially throw about, stripper parties with special-ordered cross-coast stripper, whatnot.

15:02

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asciilifeform contrary, perhaps, to appearances, does plan things, has a semblance of organization

15:03

speaking of this, phf earlier today i got those pics, and then peeled with knife the PAL,GAL labels and write what was under

15:03

when i get around to pumping'em out of the cam, will post

15:04

turns out there's even an early fpga in'ere, approx same density as the one in FG. ( but good noose is, it handles the crapple bus)

15:08

"As far as I know, the proof in this article is the only public one which completely treats a constant-time implementation of Barretts Reduction." << check him out.

15:10

it's not a lie tho

15:11

i dunno of any other

15:12

ok, so the idea is to cap his error equation, and then iterate by the cap, and that's home.

15:12

this is a good idea.

15:13

it's not even clever, it's the necessary and evident approach. which yes, is better than clever.

15:13

if mircea_popescu or anybody else finds a 'clever' in ffa, plox to ping asciilifeform asap so it can be burned out with hot irons.

15:14

well, barrett to begin with :)

15:14

karatsuba also.

15:14

barrett is 'optional' (technically errything after ch6 is!)

15:14

but nothingwrongwiththis.

15:14

in exact same sense.

15:14

1-6 is 'what if 0 clever'

15:14

i can actually think of applications where you'd want 100% egypt.

15:14

( commands for space probe? )

15:16

ima re-read this again later.

15:19

it never hurts.

15:21

phf: i fear that it'll take an entire weekend to go through the pics ( plux i wanna redo whole thing with a tripod and macro lens, and the latter i gotta find ) , but to whet appetite, have a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix/bolix_peek.jpg

15:21

and before anybody asks, yes the box still worked on reassembly.

15:22

( and yes got bottom side pic and close-ups etc. there are no components on side2, only trax )

15:22

fox korea... dude such 80s

15:22

mircea_popescu: there's a reason i wrote the thing that way, with 'what's the minimum for rsa modexp without ANY accelerations', and only then with

15:23

mircea_popescu: this particular item is stamped '91. ver. 1 came out in '86.

15:23

'rev.d. ser. num 433'

15:24

the object on bottom of photo is the ram brd

15:24

https://foxonline.com/ << they stil lexist, too.

15:24

( 74f1762a is a dram refreshtron , gives sram-like interface on 1 side )

15:24

mircea_popescu: became 'foxconn' iirc

15:25

y'know, the folx who make crapples

15:25

nah, diff guys.

15:25

mostly make oscillators / freq caps

15:25

hm.

15:25

yeah possib

15:27

it is interesting that literally errything, other than the filter caps and the drams, is socketed.

15:28

( the column of 'toshiba' is sram )

15:28

items with stickers, and a few without (engraved, clearly burned at factory rather than by hand) , are PAL/GAL

15:29

all of'em have inscriptions of the form DDDDDD-A/B, aside from the fpga (has just the #), and the serialnum chip (cypress, and i'ma post full output from the knife+notebook when i post whole orchestra)

15:33

observe also the apparently-inevitable, in '80s iron, blue 'bodge' wires !

15:33

they happened , i suppose, when engineer 'oops'. i've found'em even in 486.

15:34

( at today's clocks, if you 'oops' the pcb you gotta throw it out and cut off some heads )

15:35

the empty seats inscribed 'spare' also interesting, and reminiscent of ye olde ibm pc with 'hey, some drams rotten, we'll sit new ones on top'

15:36

there are bypass caps apparently hand-soldered to socketed (!) PALs, too, will make pulling'em a bitch

15:36

stickers looked virginal prior to today's defloration, so i suspect that this particular specimen has not been on vivisection table prior.

15:43

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asciilifeform bbl,teatime

~ 50 minutes ~

16:33

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asciilifeform back

16:42

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881556 << there may be a way to use the floor(2^k / M) ~quotient~ to determine the E . but i'ma leave this alone until end of series, it won't make a superlinear diff in the runtime

16:42

Logged on 2018-12-18 20:13 mircea_popescu: it's not even clever, it's the necessary and evident approach. which yes, is better than clever.

~ 27 minutes ~

17:10

in other noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2857&cpage=1#comment-19764 << not earth-shaking but proves that the comment box does work..

17:21

phf: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix/bolix_peek_back.jpg , goes with the earlier

17:22

and before anyone asks, no i have nfi what bolix (or the ravages of time...) did to that solder mask to make the tracks look like dash

17:23

oh holyfuq

17:23

i suspect that the greens are ~pain~

17:23

*paint

17:23

and dun actually need xray, doh

17:23

they're copies from side a

17:24

i'ma put this thing on a flatbed this weekend and get a 2000dpi shot of that arse

17:25

this thing was quite evidently built to be repairable, by dks et al.

17:27

i suspect it'll still need xray, that green quite definitely dun acct for all the pins

17:27

but will make the pcb rev job slightly less of a bitch.

17:35

Very interesting and 1980's of them

17:35

pcb is 1% of the headache, tops. 99% is the PALs.

17:36

and that actel, it's a 1200 gate antifuse fpga (well, without the 'f', lol), turns out.

17:37

<mircea_popescu> well, whoopdeedoo... if instead of letting the ants eat your dumb asses you ate the ants, it'd be the other way. and until it isn't the other way, it'll keep being this way, grand discovery this. << This is. I'm setting up mp-wp for a lead danielpbarron directed to us.

17:37

some good ~spywork~ would cut the headache down 9000x. but asciilifeform is apparently not very good at this.

17:38

so far i can't even seem to convince phf to post that magic doc.

17:40

phf srsly what gives ? wai not just post the uncensored dump. dks certainly aint coming to moscow to shit in your air conditioner.

17:41

phf: or gpggram to asciilifeform whole thing, and i'ma post with black flag proudly flying.

17:41

And it isn't like the Republic lacks people who could conveniently shit in his air conditioner

17:42

BingoBoingo: the correct vent to shit in is that mallery d00d's

17:43

dks is the latter's slave

17:43

!#s mallery

17:43

28 results for "mallery", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mallery

17:43

^ see also.

17:48

And where is his doorknob?

17:49

somewhere in those godforsaken lands presumably. derping on re 'cyber arms control' and other usgisms.

17:50

'Internet Governance & Cyber Conflicts: Models ...' << lol

17:55

Ughhh, ustardism. Apparently I have been spoiled by a country where it is less challenging for me to piss on former and sitting president's doorknobs than it is for them to piss on mine.

17:57

BingoBoingo: d00d is by all appearances a veritable platinum standard of ustardism. the sheer pseudointellectual garbage he spews on his podium, defies description

17:59

my current model is that 'hitler' put him in charge of the bottled remains of bolix for the elementary http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 reason.

17:59

Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)

18:00

his immediate predecessor as 'guard' was a nobody called andrew topping, by all surviving accounts a sort of craig wright figure

18:02

( iirc mallery 'bought' the 'properties' for an amt that does not by many zeroes exceed what asciilifeform bought the 1 box for . entirely a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831755 scenario, near as i can tell. )

18:02

Logged on 2018-07-05 16:22 mircea_popescu: very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-14#795515 : NONE, and i mean it : not a single FUCKING ONE of these "government-sponsored oligarchs" have a penny to their name. every single one "powerful" of the democracy-socialism, be they a senator, a general, a "famous person", a "journalist", WHATHEVER they may be, made out, at all. not like bandits, not like anythings, they're as poor as church mice.

18:03

usg used a fleet of bolix boxen for gulf war I logistics, and fuck knows what else, so in some dusty beetleman's desk it is 'coloured' as 'strategic', and so it gets passed from mallery to mallery.

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18:04

omfg, ohnoez, soviets will copy!1111

18:06

as recently as 2010, that logistics thing was still in biz and running bolixen (iirc 'xl' variant), dks admitted.

18:07

passed, thirdhand, 'the brass erru year want to close it down but the greybeard defends, 'these are the only machines that never once crashed' '

18:09

i'd be at least mildly surprised if i learned today that the place hasn't yet been bulldozed and converted to microshit; but all kindsa miracles are possible, e.g. usg rocket command still runs on 100% dec vax and no plans to stop 'till 2050' Officially

~ 2 hours 23 minutes ~

20:32

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881607 << kinda how it went then neh. hence the fixing wiring etc.

20:32

Logged on 2018-12-18 22:25 asciilifeform: this thing was quite evidently built to be repairable, by dks et al.

20:32

aha

20:32

tho still bit of a puzzler, the green print defo dun show 100% of side-a trax

20:38

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881634 << last one they won.

20:38

Logged on 2018-12-18 23:03 asciilifeform: usg used a fleet of bolix boxen for gulf war I logistics, and fuck knows what else, so in some dusty beetleman's desk it is 'coloured' as 'strategic', and so it gets passed from mallery to mallery.

20:43

https://cis-india.org/internet-governance/issues-in-internet-governance << indian top keks, their early reconnaissance teams found out how to eat the ustard sandwich, and there they crowd.

20:43

but anyway, we briefly lulzed at some similar moron, had something about how "us still matters in air notwithstanding russia long owned its dumb ass". predictably, "because hurr".

20:44

can't be arsed to dig him up. usual squarejaw moron.

20:44

large lulz collection in my journals from mallery, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772126

20:44

Logged on 2018-01-17 21:42 asciilifeform: 'John Mallery @jcmallery_cyber 25 Dec 2017 Declinism is a psyop of adversaries...it was spread before during the Vietnam war.' << ahahahaha gold

20:44

anyway, they can talk till they drop. the republic owns the internet like it owns everything else that exists, and the entire space of the ~possibility~ of expression.

20:47

enforcing 'i own the house' on the cockroaches in the kitchen, still takes work

20:47

anyway, in passing, here's the lulziest "vulnerability" of the whole edifice : for some reason ustards decided that "inconsequentialism" is the golden key to victory, and therefore a) divorcing their thought process from any contemplation of the consequence of their actions and b) inducing everyone else to preoccupy themselves with "consequences" is the path to victory.

20:47

'strategy' inherited from brit empire.

20:47

as a ~result~ of this idocy, the pellet of lost dollars in iraq, and the incapacity to produce a budget, and all the http://qntra.net/2018/12/fbi-entraps-young-woman-into-terrorism-charges-by-becoming-her-entire-social-circle/ wank and so on.

20:47

how exactly they imagine the dumb & deaf can win anything is anyone's guess, but there they go.

20:48

their Official ideology, near as i can tell, is 'budgets are for the lesser mortals who can't print green'

20:48

right ? all converges to the same idiocy, namely "mp doesn't seem to need to be concerned with consequences and so the path to be him is, you know, douchebaggin' it"

20:48

this works as well as you expect, but w/e.

20:49

i suppose it's a rake particularly fit for the exact shape of their face, because the principal mental issue of anglotards is their overwhelming anxiety.

20:50

the algo dun eggog until brezhn^H^H^Hobummer orders a pallet of abrams armor and it dun show up.

20:50

still, the ~reason~ anyone even maintains a general staff, as opposed to "shoulda killed them all, like stalin", is precisely that left to their own devices, tacticians find the rakes shaped like their face.

20:50

asciilifeform best i can tell a) this happened under nigglet's reign and b) whole "great again" algo consists of "find me those orders we can still execute, and limit ordering to that".

20:50

which... sure.

20:51

while that set is close enuff to the min reqd to keep 'biz as usual' humming, on it goes

20:52

well... smartphones are cheap, and fast food ever shittier.

20:52

but hey. soviets didn't give up in 1981.

20:53

entire pantsuit rage @trump can be readily decoded in terms of "how dare you consider consequences".

20:54

and to go back to the "thin english" thread : somehow it never occured to them the ~proper name~ for their ideology is "inconsequentialism". because english doesn't force such, which is why and how it's entirely inadherent to humour (in the odessa sense of term).

20:54

if it had, they might've noticed what the ~necessary correlate~ is. how's one to be inconsequential and important ?

20:55

'it worx until you try to use it'

20:55

there, took me five minutes typing and half a second's thought to demolish the intellectual produce of centcom since 2001.

20:55

such leverage.

20:56

"cyber threats" right. not this. something else.

20:56

what the fuck else is there ?

20:58

'cyber threats' is, a la prb, smoke grenade to obscure the actual ur-'cyberthreat' to reich, i.e. comp stack sans usg

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