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01:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't get it, what about it ?
~ 24 minutes ~
02:19 diana_coman mod6, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-January/000321.html gives me http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aaNkK/?raw=true
~ 2 hours 36 minutes ~
04:55 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2019/01/part-i-if-im-lucky/ << Bimbo.Club -- Part I - if im lucky
~ 5 hours 2 minutes ~
09:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884045 << heathen www, hosted on garbage hoster, but turned out to be packed full of useful retro-comp tidbits, is all.
09:58 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 06:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get it, what about it ?
09:59 asciilifeform diana_coman: looks like ml not yet moved to pizarro, it's still hosted wherever it was that jurov had it
09:59 asciilifeform ( lulazon iirc )
10:04 diana_coman I was under the impression it moved
~ 18 minutes ~
10:23 asciilifeform loox like only the trb www moved, ml was on separate box, still needs moving.
~ 30 minutes ~
10:53 BingoBoingo !Xview 1027
10:53 auctionbot Buy order # 1027: 2k wired Filthy Fiats Opening: 540mn ecu Leading Bid: None Ending: 2019-01-04 10:08:07.710708 UTC (30 hours 11 mins)
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11:33 diana_coman asciilifeform, you broke all your links on your www to FFA code on btcbase when you changed the name of vpatches because of keccak vs sha: e.g. btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians/tree/ffa/ffacalc/cmdline.ads#L42 in Ch8 404s now because no ".kv"
11:34 asciilifeform diana_coman: hm , i thought phf had the older ones still in there
11:35 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'ma have to fix by hand.
11:36 diana_coman well, it's meant as replacement not as alternative so I don't see why would one keep the sha patches; onth replacement in place aka no name change doesn't break anything either
11:38 asciilifeform diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854819
11:38 a111 Logged on 2018-09-26 22:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly like most folx who actually work on proggies, asciilifeform has '9000' vtrees on various disk, on various boxen, that are in classical format, and many not even intended for publication, the ones that see daylight naturally will become newtype
11:39 asciilifeform but i'ma have to fix the links.
11:39 asciilifeform ( will replace'em all to ch11-and-up-style links to gnathtml-generated snapshots. )
11:40 asciilifeform ty for the eggog report, diana_coman
11:42 diana_coman np; and yes, I know how/why .kv
11:48 asciilifeform btw, to round off yesterday's http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884041 , culprit is https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-scsi/msg08419.html ( 12 yrs! and still not fixed, apparently. )
11:48 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 02:19 asciilifeform: aalso i spoke too soon, it stops mid through boot, dun see cd drive.
11:49 asciilifeform box is dead in the water on apparently all linux kernels since ~2006ish, and seems like nobody gives a fuck.
11:56 asciilifeform diana_coman: i fixed the links by hand, there were only a handful.
11:56 diana_coman asciilifeform, phf updated with my sigs for FFA ch7 and ch8: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-627.0-665.43
11:56 asciilifeform plz lemme know if it turns out that missed one.
11:56 asciilifeform congrats diana_coman !
11:57 diana_coman ch8 was esp easy :P
11:57 asciilifeform diana_coman: any interesting finds/nitpicks ?
11:57 diana_coman apeloyee beat me to the cut; nothing else so far
11:57 asciilifeform aite
11:57 asciilifeform ty for putting in the sweat, diana_coman
11:58 asciilifeform currently yer the champ in ffaology.
11:58 diana_coman actually rather curious why doesn't apeloyee sign what he reads
11:58 asciilifeform this, i do not know
11:59 asciilifeform given as the fella didn't end up sticking to republic, i dun expect we'll ever find out.
12:00 asciilifeform btw diana_coman -- your earlier nitpicks made it in to 14b.
12:01 diana_coman cool; one day I'll make it to ch14b too, lol
12:01 asciilifeform no need to hurry.
12:02 asciilifeform ftr i very much appreciate all nitpicks, even purely stylistic ones, an explicit objective of ffa is to be not only bug-free but entirely clean of sharp edges, to the extent possible on the available irons.
12:03 diana_coman the trouble is that "sharp edges" are quite often operator-shaped as it were
12:03 diana_coman ftr I had to refresh a bit on Knuth Vol 2 at some point but I don't see that as a minus at all
12:03 asciilifeform almost always sharp edge is invisible to the orig author, who 'knows where not to run fingers'
12:04 asciilifeform hence the importance of other thinking folx giving the thing a thorough walk.
12:04 asciilifeform diana_coman: where at all possible, i tried to use ~simpler~ algo than what was given by knuth. e.g. karatsuba without moving pivots.
12:06 diana_coman if nitpick at all, the one thing that consistently nags at me (though for which I can't make up my mind as to actual solution) is the implicit reliance on indices to be in fact starting from 1 when copying stuff e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians.kv#L187
12:07 diana_coman asciilifeform, yes, it was rather basic stuff but the fact is that I read Knuth ~10 years ago so refresh was long due
12:08 diana_coman re nitpick: in my code I tend to keep to XS'First..XS'First+X'Length but it does make it ugly & long
12:08 asciilifeform diana_coman: where this appears, it is a concession to 1) speed 2) brevity of code . where the indexing of the array is known, because it is a local buffer, it is referred to explicitly; invocations X'First, X'Last, etc cost measurable cpu, it turned out. but where indexing is not known ( e.g. if operand may be part of a karatsuba ) , there it is unavoidably X'First etc.
12:09 asciilifeform as i've said previously, ffa post-ch6 is largely an 'uglification' to buy usable performance on pc.
12:09 diana_coman heh, talked in parallel there; I know and that's why I did not mention it at all at first; it was just because you asked for as much nitpick as possible, so now it's at least said
12:09 asciilifeform i took the approach where i built the thing maximally-compactly, and then proceeded in direction of 'now let's make it go in less than geological time'.
12:10 asciilifeform diana_coman: in fact i did ask; and happy to have it.
12:11 asciilifeform imho the de-facto convention i proposed is reasonable tho -- if the array is a local creation, and its indexing is known, then to refer to it explicitly is permissible. otherwise, not.
12:11 asciilifeform if diana_coman et al find instance where i deviated from said convention ( and not fixed in current spearhead ) -- i would like to know about it.
12:12 asciilifeform btw no doubt must remain whatsoever re this point in the mind of anyone contemplating switching off the range checks in their build (this buys ~2x 'phree' speedup)
12:14 asciilifeform diana_coman: when you read ch10, you will find that i had to rewrite some of the basic arithm logic, so as to remove dependence on indexing.
12:15 asciilifeform when i started with adaism, i initially found the preservation of indexing in array-slices annoying. but then saw the wisdom, it whips programmer into having a much firmer grasp of wtf he is doing.
12:17 asciilifeform ( it also buys the ability to know where in array you are, without 'pointerisms' )
12:22 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-today-two-years-of-divided-congress-begins-partial-shutdown-continues-while-trump-remains-unfulfilled/ << Qntra -- USG Today: Two Years Of Divided Congress Begins, Partial Shutdown Continues While Trump Remains Unfulfilled
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12:50 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/france-macron-arrests-particularly-loud-yellow-jacket-protestor-demands-french-people-in-france-submit-to-foreign-world-order/ << Qntra -- France: Macron Arrests Particularly Loud Yellow Jacket Protestor, Demands French People In France Submit To Foreign World Order
~ 43 minutes ~
13:33 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884066 << aand to properly round off the thread, that box nao runs openbsd ( which worx 100% ) , for nao.
13:33 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 16:48 asciilifeform: btw, to round off yesterday's http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884041 , culprit is https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-scsi/msg08419.html ( 12 yrs! and still not fixed, apparently. )
13:33 asciilifeform that thing has stupendously loud hdd, incidentally -- i can hear it from three rooms.
13:34 mircea_popescu jesus that was the era of loud hdds
13:34 asciilifeform 1 of those 15,000rpm scsi items. ( 'alpha' is moar or less the 'money no object' box from late '90s-early-2000s, tended to have the most outlandish periphs
13:35 asciilifeform the spindle sounds like dental drill, the head motor -- like door buzzer.
13:35 asciilifeform and guten tag mircea_popescu !
13:36 mircea_popescu :)
13:36 * asciilifeform trimmed iron stash down to 2 'alphas', 1 runs barbaric 'tru64' (for that bolix emulator), 1 nao set up for 'ffa on arch that aint x64 or arm' tests laters
13:37 mircea_popescu next we're going to dig up a 1990 era soviet stolen sub to run it on their handcranks also.
13:37 mircea_popescu in other news, i look at the time, and it's 13:37.
13:37 asciilifeform they're nifty boxes, in some ways (e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877067 , and the mobo slides in and out without tools )
13:37 a111 Logged on 2018-12-01 01:22 asciilifeform quite fond of alpha, the architecture book was ~thin~
13:38 asciilifeform lol
13:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i won't know whether the 'constanttimeism litmus' actuallyworx, until i dredge up an iron where it outputs negative
13:39 mircea_popescu not much of a priority.
13:40 asciilifeform not burning, no.
13:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884048 << oh i see. i just saw a "omfg my traffux" dork "blogger" typical piece, the numbers seemed low for a month of amateur bloggership so had to take a 2nd look, turned out they're FOR THE YEAR, what can yo9u do.
13:41 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 14:58 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884045 << heathen www, hosted on garbage hoster, but turned out to be packed full of useful retro-comp tidbits, is all.
13:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can count on fingers of 1 hand how many times i dig up on 'lone man net' sumthing useful, in a yr
13:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884059 << yes, but he gotta invent problems for himself. which he does at an amazing rate, ~comparable to his capacity for solving problems. after all, stability is self-enforcing.
13:42 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 16:36 diana_coman: well, it's meant as replacement not as alternative so I don't see why would one keep the sha patches; onth replacement in place aka no name change doesn't break anything either
13:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i believe, but maybe deep link to the something useful.
13:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884068 << i don';t expect any of the ten thousand fly eyes has a dec, ever had a dec, or can come up with any actual use for a dec. or for that matter care to know whether their code doesn't work at all. different paradigm!!!
13:45 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 16:49 asciilifeform: box is dead in the water on apparently all linux kernels since ~2006ish, and seems like nobody gives a fuck.
13:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well ~that~ d00d has dec. and even dec vax, and ports various soft to'em.
13:46 mircea_popescu not bad.
13:46 asciilifeform largely archaeological interest ( tho he also has some 'modern-day' items, bypasses for winblowz 'seekoority', etc . overall surprisingly high snr. )
13:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884081 << any reason you believe this ? (i have nfi, there's some obligation to participate in the sense of weighing in on decisions for the lordship, but afaikl dude never was/wanted to be, and for the citizenry at large there's no such thing is there ?)
13:46 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 16:59 asciilifeform: given as the fella didn't end up sticking to republic, i dun expect we'll ever find out.
13:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fwiw i do not know whether he tuned out entirely, or lurks, or which.
13:47 asciilifeform only that he hasn't been seen since...
13:47 asciilifeform !#seen apeloyee
13:47 a111 2018-01-17 <apeloyee> !#s whisperers
13:47 mircea_popescu keks nice final note.
13:48 mircea_popescu anyway, many people took yearish hiatuses, mats recently emerged after a slumber for eg.
13:48 asciilifeform i admit that i'd be delighted to see apeloyee return ; he was '9000 level' useful d00d.
13:50 asciilifeform wb Mocky
13:50 Mocky thx asciilifeform
13:50 lobbesbot Mocky: Sent 19 hours and 34 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> further issue with bot for your list : if it dings two skills, it only trains one. really it should have a check ~before~ crafting whether it can do any skill upgrading somehiow.
13:50 mircea_popescu !!up stratum
13:50 deedbot stratum voiced for 30 minutes.
13:51 mircea_popescu anyone knows who this is then ?
13:51 * asciilifeform does not
13:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884083 << bwahahaha.
13:51 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 17:01 diana_coman: cool; one day I'll make it to ch14b too, lol
13:52 Mocky oh hey, never thought about multiple skill dings, I'll note
13:53 mircea_popescu as she points out, http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-01-03.log.html#t14:53:01
13:53 lobbesbot Logged on 2019-01-03 14:53:01: <diana_coman> 18 pops, lmao
13:54 mircea_popescu Mocky but the important part is "resilient design" so to speak : it should keep polling after doing what it thought it did. same exact thing as with the "put stuff in inv" : put all you find of the type you're putting, if you miss some on one cycle, catch up on next. sorta thing.
13:54 mircea_popescu there's a good principle in there we're digging out.
13:55 asciilifeform briefly upstack to the archaeologies : switched on the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883853 device, and it worx a++++, simulates cdroms even (arbitrary # of'em) , and hdds, etc
13:55 a111 Logged on 2019-01-02 15:31 asciilifeform: mats: i haven't built anyffing useful from ice40 with own hands yet. but, interestingly, when bought a 'scsi2sd' device for replacing disk in bolix box, found that author in fact used ice40 for the job
13:56 asciilifeform and has usb hose for mounting same from pc end.
13:56 mircea_popescu specifically : the oldest illustration of "robotics" in the charlie chaplin deeply misguided http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043874 approach (and yes, i am very unimpressed by charlie chaplin as the "intellectual great" pantsuit make him out to be, specifically because this sort of deliberate stupidity to cater to pantsuit nonsense dun count as wisdom) is an amelia bedelia-esque "person sent to broom will broom the room, r
13:56 a111 Logged on 2015-03-06 02:28 asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.'
13:56 mircea_popescu obot sent to broom will broom individual items" sorta bs.
13:56 asciilifeform ( imho must-have gadget for old-irons people , really )
13:57 mircea_popescu there's no serious reason to write our poor people in the way THEIR poor people would like our poor people to work [for the transparent reason that thusly, our poor people won't outcompete and drown out their poor people].
13:58 mircea_popescu (and yes, republican bot is ==== imperial "we the people", no question about it.)
13:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: from the 'steam engine is 'the workerz' 'but minus the drinkin' and unionizin''' pov ?
13:59 stratum i am a real person
13:59 mircea_popescu from the gimme a second ima clean up this bimboconvo.
13:59 asciilifeform oh hey talks
13:59 mircea_popescu stratum and who might you be then ?
14:00 stratum i am a real person who has seen the wonderful dpb spread the gospel and came here to watch
14:00 danielpbarron he is from efnet, l0de fan
14:00 asciilifeform stratum: y'know there is a log, http://btcbase.org/log/
14:00 danielpbarron also a fan of https and skeptic of rsa
14:01 asciilifeform 'promising' already..
14:01 mircea_popescu cool.
14:01 asciilifeform stratum: let's hear about this ?
14:03 stratum I do not recall any skeptical talk about rsa, though, I do think https can be valuable in attempting to mitigating some issues one may encounter, this is true.
14:03 Mocky yes, a more resilient design is much needed for the bot. it also needs to get out from under the thumb of the ps event/thread model so that adding capabilities doesn't require crimes-against-humanity levels of extra code in order to approach resilience
14:04 Mocky unfortunately my cpp skills are not there yet
14:05 asciilifeform stratum: valuable for what ?
14:08 stratum In some cases, which do not involve a determined attacker or state actor, https can prevent man in the middle attacks, the capture of full browsing sessions, and, while unfortunately involving untrusted third party mega corporations tied to the security state, one can be slightly more assured you're talking to the actual website you intend to.
14:10 asciilifeform stratum: given that the most active criminal is the nato reich itself, what exactly is the worth of pkiistic 'sekoority' where they have master key ?
14:11 stratum It depends on ones threat model.
14:11 stratum I think most IRC people would be more concerned with some random internet jackoff fucking with them than GCHQ.
14:12 asciilifeform actual crypto worx just same against randojackoff and hitler.
14:13 stratum Certainly, but one still has to survive among the internet places as they exist.. We cannot all be RMS and have a helper print out websites for us because we're paranoid.
14:13 asciilifeform the notion pushed by reich where 'it is cheaper to only work against jackass' is fallacious, your cpu can bear the load.
14:14 asciilifeform stratum: why wouldja need 'helper to print web sites' ?
14:14 asciilifeform what's wrong with having multiple boxes for diff uses.
14:15 stratum If one can afford the money, time, and hassle, nothing.
14:15 Mocky also re bot, I do see the underlying problem that is revealed when someone says "oh hey, never thought of..."
14:16 asciilifeform stratum: so enlighten me, what's the logic -- you can't afford to plug in 2 boxes , but want to tell self stories at bedtime re 'secure anyway' ?
14:17 stratum Most people don't even have one "box" -- More and more browsing from their phones as their sole computing device, billions of them. I think there is a disconnect in what we're discussing: which is why I mention RMS and his helpers.
14:18 asciilifeform stratum: y'know, the money argument dun hold water -- a new 'ipnoje' actually costs moar than ~several~ entirely usable pc
14:19 asciilifeform ( not even counting its ~subscription~ )
14:19 stratum I doubt any locksmith, who knows how easily they can be defeated, is arguing against locks for the average person, grandmas, and such. It seems like the argument against https from the likes of dpb is an argument of this type, in my opinion.
14:20 Mocky more like the tsa luggage locks
14:20 asciilifeform except where yer lock aint a lock at all, but instead is rather more similar to the plastic amulets 'boko haram' hands out to soldiers 'to stop bullets'
14:21 asciilifeform !!up stratum
14:21 deedbot stratum voiced for 30 minutes.
14:22 asciilifeform stratum: one doesn't even need to sit on hitler's throne to bypass sslism; typical idjit os comes with root certs from such shitholes as e.g. greece and latvia
14:22 asciilifeform all you need is to buy/borrow/steal 1 ( and not even this, protocol itself is swiss cheese and regularly broken by amateurs without any need to steal privkeys from some derpistan )
14:24 stratum Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.
14:24 stratum If individuals want to communicate using heavily encrypted sneakernet to avoid NSA goons, that is certainly okay by me. But I don't see that happening for the billions any time soon.
14:25 Mocky are you an advocate on behalf of the billions?
14:25 asciilifeform stratum: tech 'for the billions' remains a questionable proposition even in re 100 y.o. techs. 'the billions' still have trouble with not dropping running toaster in bathtub.
14:26 asciilifeform the appropriate tech 'for the billions' is prolly the ox-plow ( and with proviso that they turn into a moar manageable 'millions' )
14:27 asciilifeform danielpbarron: i wonder if the fella knows just what's behind the door he's walked into.
14:31 Mocky unrelatedly, it's strange time distortion to be a newb and compress the reading of back #trilema & #ba logs into 8 months and then see http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884140 and realize the fella (and plenty others fresh in the mind) hasn't even spoken here for a year
14:31 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 18:47 a111: 2018-01-17 <apeloyee> !#s whisperers
14:32 danielpbarron i did not tell him to join, and i have given up on reaching that crowd
14:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/ 'ere you go.
14:47 asciilifeform oh hey
14:50 mircea_popescu stratum we are only interested in destroying the capacity of posturing of the "state actor" known asw the usg.
14:50 mircea_popescu random schmuckette futzing with her phone "losing" her nudes is of no consequence, she is a party favour anyway, whether she knows this or not.
14:51 mircea_popescu and "most irc people" is an undefined symbol. there's the lordship and absolutely nothing else. there's no "irc people".
14:54 mircea_popescu poor danielpbarron, i'm starting to understand his problem : specifically because http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881534 ie much lower intellectual bar, it is actually WAY THE FUCK EASIER to sell his church than the republic, to the sort of random interneteer. memory vs thought, hands down easier to memorize than structure the world.
14:54 a111 Logged on 2018-12-18 19:57 mircea_popescu: why is it that this church is notable in spite of not having a feedbot ?
14:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884196 << the point isn't the "monetary" cost, they have 0 money anyway. the point is the intellectual cost -- they're monkeys, they barely got enough brainpower to cluck at the shiny, what computer, what computers.
14:56 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 19:18 asciilifeform: stratum: y'know, the money argument dun hold water -- a new 'ipnoje' actually costs moar than ~several~ entirely usable pc
14:58 mircea_popescu Mocky we're in the same time distortion field. i recall people dead for centuries as if we just interrupted a coffee conversation days ago ; i forgot idiots i met yesterday as if milennia had passed.
14:58 mircea_popescu time exists in the mind.
15:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884103 << i think the logs reflect my thinking similarily at first ; but kinda dropped it also.
15:00 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 17:15 asciilifeform: when i started with adaism, i initially found the preservation of indexing in array-slices annoying. but then saw the wisdom, it whips programmer into having a much firmer grasp of wtf he is doing.
15:03 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/ << Trilema -- What is meant by AI ?
~ 1 hours 25 minutes ~
16:28 jurov http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884050 << asciilifeform next time please spend few precious seconds to actually check A and MX records. No, it's not on lulazon anymore.
16:28 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 14:59 asciilifeform: diana_coman: looks like ml not yet moved to pizarro, it's still hosted wherever it was that jurov had it
~ 32 minutes ~
17:01 asciilifeform jurov: then mystery deepens . can you offer an explanation for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884046 ?
17:01 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 07:19 diana_coman: mod6, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-January/000321.html gives me http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aaNkK/?raw=true
17:03 asciilifeform why the everliving fuck would anyone ever see 'Generated by cloudfront (CloudFront)' from that thing ??
17:07 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-november-and-december-1715-part-iii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of November and December, 1715 - Part III.
~ 46 minutes ~
17:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884225 << ada is surrounded by a kind of roman 'sudes' fort , consisting of 'why the fuck does it make me do this', kills 99+% of maggots on the spot. at least that's my hypothesis re why the thing remains usable ~40 yrs after first made, unlike e.g. unix
17:53 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 20:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884103 << i think the logs reflect my thinking similarily at first ; but kinda dropped it also.
17:54 mircea_popescu possibru.
17:54 asciilifeform ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662671 , and other examples i documented in 2016-7 l0gz )
17:54 a111 Logged on 2017-05-26 18:10 asciilifeform: for instance, the almost ubiquitous c-ism, of creating a pointer (ada 'access') variable on a procedure's local (stack) and passing it to something -- anything -- is illegal
17:56 asciilifeform Mocky collected the whole, iirc, set, i'ma link ftr to http://mocky.org/Log-Reference-Why-Ada/ .
17:57 mircea_popescu memory management in c is one of the weirdest things. this is not directly obvious first off, but if you stop to think about what you're saying ~actually means~ it's a guaranteed starseeing moment.
17:58 asciilifeform c programmers who 'stop to think about what it means' tend to go insane and gouge out own eyes etc. so not much experience of this in the field.
17:59 asciilifeform incidentally i'll add that most published heathen ada proggies use c-style heapism, it isn't banned by the lang per se.
18:00 mircea_popescu i suppose the first step in the wonderful world of language is the kid's "what incantations do" rather than "what does this mean". takes a considerable time exposed to "she is your genie, ask what you will, she'll produce it" sorta situation for the former to mutate into the latter, "what the fuck am i asking these genies to do here!"
18:00 asciilifeform ( in fact, if anyffing -- encouraged, the type safety makes it less immediately lethal than otherwise would be )
18:00 * asciilifeform brb,teatime
18:03 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/qntra-sqntr-december-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2018 Statement
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18:21 jurov http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884230 << perhaps someone is avoiding DNS and has stale static IP entry in hosts.txt ?
18:21 a111 Logged on 2019-01-03 22:01 asciilifeform: jurov: then mystery deepens . can you offer an explanation for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884046 ?
18:23 asciilifeform jurov: this is entirely possible. lessee what diana_coman says when wakes up.
18:24 asciilifeform ( iirc diana_coman was the only 1 afflicted )
18:24 jurov diana_coman: really, let's seriously troubleshoot this. if you aren't using hosts file, can you please paste the output of: dig therealbitcoin.org and: dig MX therealbitcoin.org
18:33 BingoBoingo dig shows the MX pointed at the foundation's Pizarro box from here
18:33 asciilifeform same here
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19:46 mod6 Yeah, I get the pizarro ip for both A and MX records. Just in case, I have posted the clearsigned report to my website for viewing: http://mod6.net/2018/December/31/btcf_address_201812.txt
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20:12 asciilifeform unrelatedly : hey mircea_popescu , didja have a torrent tracker ? i seem to recall in the log ( tho cannot find. ) or was it an in-house thingie strictly.
20:13 asciilifeform i ask because i have a 9GB disk image from that bolix 'macivory' ( recorded using the 'alpha' from earlier thrd ) but am reluctant to simply put on dulap, soaking up bw for errybody
20:14 asciilifeform ( it's ~8GB gzipped )
20:15 asciilifeform it aint that much good without the iron, but i would like the thing publicly gettable, given as i also baked a 'scsi2sd' config that eats the thing
20:16 asciilifeform ( solid state gadget that replaces the ancient whining hdd in the thing )
20:25 asciilifeform lol holySHIT is gzip inefficient for disk snapshots. '7zip' gets it down to 256MB !
20:27 asciilifeform possibly dun need torrents after all. ( it is nao smaller than those jpegs from last wk. )
20:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform wasn't a tracker, just a large box with the entire collection of trilema reviewed films. on for a year or so, but turned it off recently.
20:28 asciilifeform aa
20:28 mircea_popescu when realised that i do not like the "community" enough to pump 1k/mo into it or anything.
20:28 asciilifeform aite.
20:29 asciilifeform this is a fundamental problem with throwing up warez for 'public'. how to justify to self, the bird feeder.
20:29 asciilifeform it costs real moneyz to throw up GBs.
20:31 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/ what else.
20:31 asciilifeform aha
20:31 mircea_popescu nothing wrong with "here's a list of things you can have ~by request~ in my castle"
20:32 asciilifeform this also. tho it is headachy to arrange in practice.
20:32 mircea_popescu so asker must be this tall to ride.
20:32 asciilifeform i mean on serving end.
20:33 mircea_popescu when joe blow did enough for you that it overwhelms the headache, he can has.
20:34 asciilifeform i have a half-written bot that takes a deedbot-style gpg wot decrypt and puts out a single-use emulated ftp login thing. but it is not alive, because gnarly in practice ( if single-shot, resumes dunwork; and no crypto, and prolly this is solvable but i dun have currently the time budget for massaging it )
20:35 asciilifeform a reasonably-mechanized process for distributing warez to one's l1/l2 might be useful, but i haven't yet devised one that dun break in annoying ways in the field.
20:36 mircea_popescu the correct way is reverse : take ~ftp login~, dump it in there.
20:36 asciilifeform i.e. receiver puts up ftp ?
20:36 mircea_popescu yup.
20:36 asciilifeform i suppose that'd work ( tho still no crypto )
20:36 mircea_popescu of course crypto.
20:36 asciilifeform with what ?
20:37 mircea_popescu with his key.
20:37 asciilifeform as in, per file ?
20:37 mircea_popescu per tarball, w/e.
20:37 asciilifeform i guess would work.
20:37 asciilifeform pretty heavy on the serving end, tho, needs scratch buffer of $file-length per each req.
20:38 asciilifeform ( of much moar, in fact, than $file-length, cuz gpg is retarded )
20:38 mircea_popescu you got collection-of-shit 1 throught 99. joe wants shit-item-5-6-7. joe sends !Z http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/12345/?raw=true wherein is found "shit-item-5 ; shit-item-6 ; shit-item-7 ; pubkey"
20:38 mircea_popescu you "shit-item-5 ; shit-item-6 ; shit-item-7" > tar > gpg -aer pubkey > joe.ftp.server
20:39 asciilifeform right, it'd work in principle. but costly on transmitter end.
20:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform like this you can do it on an as-available basis.
20:39 asciilifeform naturally as-available, how else.
20:39 mircea_popescu WAY the fuck cheaper than alternative.
20:39 asciilifeform but it won't be very available.
20:39 mircea_popescu because www server will attempt to feed any clients at any time
20:40 asciilifeform 7 folx want to load, each needs a, what, 4GB+ buffer (if turd is 1GB)
20:40 mircea_popescu nah. it's a 20% overhead or so.
20:40 asciilifeform classical gpg (base64) is a 400% neh
20:40 mircea_popescu neh.
20:40 asciilifeform ( assuming incompressible payload )
20:41 asciilifeform given as most warez is already compressed
20:41 mircea_popescu you don't even have to ascii armor, if that bothers you.
20:42 asciilifeform this is prolly the most practical scheme suggested, to date, for this. but still feels heavy.
20:44 mircea_popescu what can i tell you.
20:45 asciilifeform also suffers from practical gnarl -- say the session gets thrown. how many times is the bot to retry upload.
20:45 mircea_popescu until done.
20:45 mircea_popescu ftp has resume, and besides, you got hashes.
20:45 asciilifeform tru
20:45 mircea_popescu and if it's such a problem, slice it.
20:46 asciilifeform soon enuff we're back to alt.binaries lol
20:46 mircea_popescu (if anyone wonders why all those r00 r01 etc slices back in the day)
20:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform correct design is correct design.
20:46 asciilifeform oh hey remember the luby-style usenet archiver thing
20:46 asciilifeform i fughet what it was called
20:47 asciilifeform where you only needed e.g. 30 of 36 .rxx etc to magick the whole thing back into shape
20:47 mircea_popescu i dunno anyone actually bothered.
20:47 asciilifeform some defo bothered
20:47 asciilifeform iirc it was a plain reed-solomon tho, not newfangled luby
20:56 asciilifeform http://www.slyck.com/Newsgroups_Guide_PAR_PAR2_Files << found it.
20:56 asciilifeform 'PAR'.
20:57 asciilifeform apparently there were even multiple versions of the thing, i had nfi.
20:57 asciilifeform in the last days of the good old days, it was actually pretty common, in asciilifeform's recollection.
20:58 asciilifeform 'golden age' of usenet may have ended in '93, before i even got hands on it, but 'silver age' imho ended ~decade later. ( when usenet more or less disappeared entirely )
21:12 mircea_popescu you and naggum might've been the only ones left by then
21:13 asciilifeform he outlived me there by considerable time.
21:14 * asciilifeform was largely in lurk mode in those days, did not often presume to have what's worth saying.
21:15 asciilifeform there was, however, warez. asciilifeform got most of his msdos-goldenage stuff from alt.binaries.*
21:16 asciilifeform to round off the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884258 thrd : item confirmed to work. booted up box with it , it's a mixed blessing ( ~zero seek times, but slightly ~slower~ linear transfer than the mechanical disk. but, theoretically lasts '4evah', given as card can be easily backed up )
21:16 a111 Logged on 2019-01-04 01:15 asciilifeform: it aint that much good without the iron, but i would like the thing publicly gettable, given as i also baked a 'scsi2sd' config that eats the thing
21:17 asciilifeform i'ma post complete recipe laters.
21:19 asciilifeform at the very least, it's quiet, and pulls 1watt instead of 40, reducing strain on the ancient electrolytic caps..
21:19 asciilifeform phf i expect these will work in your 'xl' also.
21:20 asciilifeform ( you can actually set arbitrary block size, so the weirdo 1280byte blox will work )
21:21 asciilifeform the crapple ftr uses ordinary 512byte blks.
21:22 asciilifeform when i first went to look for the thing, found that there's a whole underworld of vintage crapple people ( and 'amiga' etc ) , most of'em moved to using these things.
21:23 asciilifeform ( interestingly also found that nowadays certain vintage crapples command 4fig prices. why -- cannot say. )
21:24 asciilifeform there's folx running 'aix' even, that old favourite of BingoBoingo .
21:24 * asciilifeform bbl, meat
21:28 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: TBF a lot of weird looks good when the alternatives are Windows, Lunix, and ManzanaBSD
21:30 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/longtime-national-security-journalist-quits-nbc-over-networks-pro-war-editorial-position/ << Qntra -- Longtime "National Security" Journalist Quits NBC Over Network's Pro-War Editorial Position
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21:59 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2019/01/my-new-g/ << Bimbo.Club -- My new G
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23:27 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883981 << I'll give it some attention this weekend.
23:27 a111 Logged on 2019-01-02 20:15 diana_coman: trinque, how's it going with getting the Cuntoo .vpatch in fixed shape?
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