#trilema | 2019-01-04

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884340 << point. i suspect that a good chunk of the interest in old irons is driven by the sheer unfathomable depth of retardation of 'modern' comp

07:26

Logged on 2019-01-04 02:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: TBF a lot of weird looks good when the alternatives are Windows, Lunix, and ManzanaBSD

~ 22 minutes ~

07:48

!Xview 1027

07:48

auctionbot

Buy order # 1027: 2k wired Filthy Fiats Opening: 540mn ecu Leading Bid: None Ending: 2019-01-04 10:08:07.710708 UTC (9 hours 16 mins)

07:50

guten morgen BingoBoingo

07:52

Buenos dias Señores

07:53

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884348 << And too be fair, the Rockchip thing is pretty sweet

07:53

Logged on 2019-01-04 12:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884340 << point. i suspect that a good chunk of the interest in old irons is driven by the sheer unfathomable depth of retardation of 'modern' comp

07:53

Mostly for what isn't on its gentoo

07:54

well yes, sweet except for where it runs unixen

08:00

BingoBoingo: possibly i said this before, but i am not fond of arm -- it is horrendously ugly, complex, single-vendored ( the multi-vendoritude is an illusion, they all use same british turd mask ) . i picked it as 'best horse in glue factory' for the application, is all.

08:01

Well yes, when all the race horses got tumors...

08:02

You're going to make a lot of glue

~ 19 minutes ~

08:21

BingoBoingo: all the race horses are dead. and we race , if you will, while dragging the carcasses around. so i prefer to go with the smallest when possible.

~ 36 minutes ~

08:58

asciilifeform: Yes, and the smallest ones also don't yeild much glue when boiled

~ 1 hours 14 minutes ~

10:12

in other olds-noose, asciilifeform installed a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 , and it's pretty great. ty phf !

10:12

Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)

10:14

the sphere, interestingly, is supposedly the size of a regulation billiard ball, and some folx have replaced it with the latter.

10:16

also interestingly, item claims to be made in usa.

10:17

feels hefty and nearly 'bakelite', like a solid 1980s periph. i can see why phf picked it up.

10:25

there are apparently 2 jacks in the back of the thing, for extra buttons (pedals?)

~ 1 hours 16 minutes ~

11:41

feedbot

http://qntra.net/2019/01/germany-merkel-regime-and-collaborators-suffer-substantial-data-leak/ << Qntra -- Germany: Merkel Regime And Collaborators Suffer Substantial Data Leak

11:44

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884361 << this image is not only extremely vivid, but upon meditation shockingly accurate.

11:44

Logged on 2019-01-04 13:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all the race horses are dead. and we race , if you will, while dragging the carcasses around. so i prefer to go with the smallest when possible.

11:46

computers were supposed to be intelligence amplifiers, these devices that make the smart ~more effectual~.

11:46

but instead of that (and, it has to be said, through AND BECAUSE the ~shameful~, utterly immoral and absolutely unethical efforts of idiots just like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884205 and like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640999 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641209 fame and so on), they became the exact equivalents of those loud earpieces in that shackley story

11:46

Logged on 2019-01-03 19:24 stratum: Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.

11:46

Logged on 2017-04-09 22:03 asciilifeform: most of the heavy lifting was done by a dozen or so people, however. (david moon, richard greenblatt, tom knight, buncha smaller ones )

11:46

Logged on 2017-04-09 23:14 mircea_popescu: "who do you think will win, mr 13, the team with two guys and monkeys or the team with three guys and monkeys ?"

11:46

intelligence ~equalizers~

11:47

ie, EXACTLY these dead horses smart people are dragging around on their own fucking power to sheer exhaustion.

11:47

THIS IS IN-FUCKING-TOLERABLE, and FUCK YOU ALL IMBECILES.

11:48

fucking get it already -- if you work with the monkeys people will spit in your eye.

11:48

fucking shameful.

11:49

what, i ask you, WHAT is a worse stain than having spent a minute on the needs of the poor ? they're fucking poor for a reason! step on their faces, there's rich people that you could be helping instead.

11:50

fucktarded socialists hijacking computing for their own ends. just like they tried to hijack bitcoin, because that's what they fucking do, sit around all day trying to come up with some way to tie the sun to their chariot.

11:50

and the ENTIRE FIELD of "luminaries" ~LETTING THEM~.

11:51

we can talk of power rangers in bitcoin because they got fucking squashed. but nobody before thought "o hey, you know what knight, stallman, richie etc ALL have in common ?! FUCKING POWER RANGERS JESUS FUCK."

11:51

they do. it's what they fucking are, first to last, and fuck them all for being so fucking stupid. "oh, mit forced". nobody fucking forced them, they betrayed their kind because of what they are.

11:54

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Rinderpest_1896-CN.jpg << this shall now become part of the permanent record.

11:55

fucking "localized keyboards". that's what i fucking need in the 90s, "let's make computers useful and accessible to the bureaucracy!" "imagine mp, vast fields of fat minnesota cows derping on the computer all day long!"

11:55

fucking hell.

12:02

ohai mircea_popescu

12:09

heya.

12:10

in lighter news, diana_coman 's latest suggests the last indisputable use for the bookshelf.

12:10

can't really bring up a kid without a book room.

12:10

loox almost exactly like asciilifeform's ancestral b00k room, for that matter

12:11

i remember when i first saw a bookcase without glass doors. 'barbarism'

12:11

it is, at that.

12:11

( they're ~ungettable in usa. today i haven't any glass. tho i do have air scrubbers, like in museums.. )

12:12

i guess one doesn't strictly speaking need it for trophycase/tchotchkecase/whatever, give the slavegirls something to do, dust it biweekly. however books get infected.

12:12

they sure do.

12:12

esp. nice, older, 'edible' ones.

12:12

myeah.

12:12

*

asciilifeform recalls mircea_popescu's gedanken- aluminum book

12:13

like all crystalline mindmatter -- it grows on ya over time :D

12:13

asciilifeform can i has link to the story in question for completeness btw ?

12:14

!#s bergeron

12:14

10 results for "bergeron", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bergeron

12:14

a there we go ty

12:14

if yer thinking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884373 .

12:14

Logged on 2019-01-04 16:46 mircea_popescu: but instead of that (and, it has to be said, through AND BECAUSE the ~shameful~, utterly immoral and absolutely unethical efforts of idiots just like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884205 and like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640999 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641209 fame and so on), they became the exact equivalents of those loud earpieces in that shackley story

12:14

k. vonnegut.

12:14

yeah.

12:15

in other olds, apparently i slept through this, but in early 2000s some ru d00d actually built a ~non-grazing~ lens for xray. for pennies, at that.

12:15

out of what ?!

12:16

( tldr : plate of aluminum, with 0.5mm holes drilled. the working surface is ~edge~ of plate. )

12:16

it's a compound lens.

12:16

don't tell me "czech glass, dummy. if you polish it like-so.."

12:16

oh!

12:16

( i.e. each hole refracts by fraction of degree. )

12:16

hey, you know what... that's a great idea

12:16

classical http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-12#498416 solution.

12:16

Logged on 2014-02-12 18:27 asciilifeform: 'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller)

12:16

only works on specified x-ray, i expect ? not exactly "lens" in the broad sense.

12:17

worx on all xray. 'harder' (shorter wave) needs moar holes.

12:17

if you use heavier metal, also worx on gamma.

12:17

man...

12:18

why the fuck didn't i think of that.

↖ ↖ ↖ ↖

12:18

mysteriously (or i guess not, 'nobody does anyffing any moar'...) item aint (publicly) used for anyffin, afaik.

12:18

was my thought !

12:18

asciilifeform bit his elbows raw going 'wai didnt i think'!111

12:18

insanity.

12:19

right because discontinuous media is THE metamaterial for matter-wave interaction.

12:19

first fucking lesson in the field, what.

12:19

hey it's how all other lensing worx.

12:19

you know ?

12:19

'least action path'(tm)

12:20

"so make it discountinous!" "HOW!!!" "dude drill a hole" "omfg how wise you are mr!"

12:20

nao really one oughta ~etch~ the holes

12:20

but basic principle remains.

12:20

drill and polish, i'd say, rather than etch. smoother holes this way\

12:21

drilling 10e6 holes is a bit of a bitch

12:21

but does apparently work.

12:21

laser! computor actuated! etc!

12:21

aha, number of ways.

12:22

tricky bit is, you want max sphericity

12:22

i'm totally like one of those old war veterans upon hearing of new weapon

12:22

( error magnifies exponentially )

12:22

starts wanting to dust off armors.

12:22

mircea_popescu: was my reaction precisely.

12:24

this is worse than "czech glass, dummy. if you polish it like-so.." ftr. much, much worse.

12:25

it's a 'the fucking key was in your pocket, lol' sorta wtf gem.

12:25

one day my car mechanic is going to come into this room, pour a quart of oil into the box, and make a whole new os this way.

12:26

then we'll all use that and all will be well.

12:26

1 application asciilifeform immediately thought of, discussed nowhere, is lightweight shielding ( need X times less square metrage of pb sheet as you have diff b/w focused and unfocused ! )

12:26

aha! could make some really cool shelters with this.

12:26

was thinking moar along lines of 'fly on mars without frying' mega-puzzler, but yes

12:27

(likbez : problem with nuclear shelter is that Bremsstrahlung. but with this... well... make it go away)

12:27

aha, as i undestand brems gets refracted along same vector as the orig photon

12:27

so goes to the desired place.

12:28

(ie, you are MORE likely to die for being behind sheet lead/steel/whatever than not. because high energy electron won't hurt you at all -- or even see you -- but the tons of gamma it spews as the metal plate decelerates it WILL fucking fry you)\

12:28

(notably ~not~ the case with grazing 'optics' )

12:28

asciilifeform exactly. fundamental reason why shelter ~= useless

12:28

well traditionally 'shelter useless' cuz neutrons

12:29

you can afford to make plate thick enough to neuter those.

12:29

but all the classical films include "bottom of this here mountain" because do the math, one single electron can produce enough gamma to fry an egg

12:29

neutron happily sails through 100m of iron, if enuff juice.

12:29

yes but on a power law.

12:29

tru

12:30

if there's one meter of steel and two meters of you, 99.x% of all neutrons energetic enough to go through the sheet will ALSO be energetic enough to go through you

12:30

same would be true of electrons, too, except for the braking, which makes 99.x% of the energy of those NOT energetic enough to go through... take your picture.

12:30

the prob is the .x% that capture

12:31

that is HOW the thickness of the sheet protects you from neutrons -- the thicker the sheet, the lower the loss into you. because that power law.

12:31

( observe that you dun need to cook the victim , like egg, he's just as dead when % of his Na turns to Mg etc

12:31

)

12:32

and naturally subj to power law, like anyffing else, or nuffin could live, sun would roast.

12:32

this is not factually true. leaving aside how nuclear explosion not nearly as harmful to people as commonly misrepresented (and let's see http://trilema.com/2011/radiatia-si-corpul-omenesc/#comment-44772 re this), there's precious few neutron casualties recorded.

12:33

the jp nukes were neutron-poor, tho

12:33

( and we dun have good body of 'experimental subject' from laters )

12:34

but indeed, if anybody knows just how much neutron it takes to nail a man in militarily-relevant time frame, they aint tellin'

12:37

it sux, tho, having to bury the dead enemy, + his furniture, walls, the ground his house was on, in pb coffins, to take the territory.

12:37

hence why not so much interest, i suspect, in (misnomer, but) 'neutron bomb'

12:44

well, there's the dood with the sphere lol

12:45

in moar mundane lulz, asciilifeform , after N-th vivisection of bolixtron, boots it up and finds that it turned into 'ordinary old crapple', i.e. no longer sees the card. thinks 'eh, shit', then -- remembers that it's a fuking '80s machine -- goes, cleans contacts. then finds, box again worx...

12:46

next time try drilling little holes

12:46

who knows.

12:46

lol

12:46

*

mircea_popescu shall be now drilling holes in everything

12:47

'for 20kbux, i DRILL OWN HOLE!'(tm)(r)

12:47

lol. eh, i got some of those kitten scratcher things, can drill microholes on the cheap.

12:47

btw electron beam makes exactly the sorta drill you want here.

12:48

good sphericity, steerable, just-so diameter, etc

12:48

THE WARTENBERG RAKE!!!

12:48

lol

12:48

*

asciilifeform actually has 1 somewhere..

12:52

incidentally might be interesting to get that lens baked as... a pcb ( commercial pcb houses will do al instead of cu, at comparable cost , plus whatever drillings )

12:53

you're gonna roast yet.

12:54

but 0.1% less!111

12:54

heh

12:56

the gods dangle, verily, their lures : largest usable hole so happens is the smallest commercially drillable pcb drill...

~ 28 minutes ~

13:24

keks

13:30

aand nao for an archaeo-sumthing compleeetely different : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/daykin/index.html

13:31

addition only ?

13:31

in fact.

13:31

( addition over a finite field, to be pedantic )

13:31

which guess what.

13:31

how the fuck did he pick 10k

13:31

oh oh oh.

13:31

he was doin' it on paper.

13:31

with base10.

13:32

lol. right. "addition" my foot. why the fuck do scientists misuse terms of art. "addition over finite field"!="addition"

13:32

now, nobody will be surprised to hear that this was never publicly used for anyffin, never appeared in schoolbooks, etc.

13:33

why does he think this is fast ?

13:33

uni of reading, uk. wonder if d00d is still alive and within reach of diana_coman

13:33

and why the fuck does he use ~substraction~, could have used addition instead for same exact money.

13:33

mircea_popescu: he doesn't . read carefully.

13:33

he uses a complement.

13:33

( for some reason did not use the standard name for it, why -- i do not know )

13:33

right, but he complement-decrements

13:34

he straight-out complements.

13:34

o he does. he does. right you are, look at that.

13:35

same thing as in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch14/fz_mul__adb.htm#164_7 .

13:35

"At each subsequent stage, the next number is the last N plus the last Z ; carries out of bounds are ignored ; if anything's ignored the next number's an N, otherwise a Z. " to take it out of the idiotic format.

13:36

asciilifeform the pedantery wherein he explains how "substraction really adition because transform and add 1" is so fucken cute... when is this, 1920 ?

13:36

nfi

13:36

but it ends up resolving to euclid.

13:37

~without~ the 3 separate full-width subtractions that e.g. constanttimeized stein's gcd needs.

13:37

apparently nobody noticed.

13:37

and look at that, straight up induction proof.

13:37

did i mention i like your treasure trove finds a lot more these days ?

13:38

i try to find the goodstuff!

13:38

flow diagram included.

13:38

realize, this is ch.15.

13:38

and directly affects how fast we can bake primes.

13:39

( and yes we'll bake primes without leaking the intermediates. which means that gcd eats full width of register, miller-rabin actually fires 9000 times , etc )

13:43

aha

13:43

all i need nao is the proof that the thing needs F(B) turns of the crank to converge, where B is bitness of operands, and it's battlefield-ready.

13:44

( naturally not written as he wrote it, with the shaved additions, but with full widths. but still )

13:44

can not converge in more than 2^B turns.

13:44

there's your proof.

13:44

mircea_popescu: this is troo for stein. but gotta show that this is isomorphic to stein.

13:45

think about it, if it converged in more than 2^B turns, then you'd have a B bit number contain B+k bits of information.

13:45

(ie, it's encode how many turns)

13:45

well actually typo, stein converges in B shots.

13:46

euclid's subtractor in 2^B, and therefore runs in geological time for bignums

13:46

ah, yeah. you want LINEAR F

13:46

a usable gcdtron converges in B, or 2B, etc. shots, or it's rubbish

13:46

correct.

13:47

as in stein.

13:47

pretty sure it doesn't converge in B

13:47

stein -- does

13:48

no i mean daykin

13:48

( it's in knuth v2 )

13:48

it appears to, tho. but needs proof.

13:49

i think it converges in B or B+1 by parity

13:49

that'd mean B+1

13:50

right

13:50

( recall how constanttimeization is done, when converged, you set the stopper and fz_mux outputs the answer , after that algo runs however many shots remain but without affecting the output )

13:50

well, i got other firepits to attend to, but what a great logmorning this has been!

13:50

laters.

14:01

in other lulz for the l0gz, python has some pretty ridiculous inbandisms. consider:

14:01

>>> 511 + 8832

14:01

9343

14:01

but:

14:02

>>> 0511 + 8832

14:02

9161

14:02

apparently it interprets the 05 as.. base prefix.

14:02

somehow i used python for yrs as an adhoc calculator and had nfi this bomb were there.

14:04

motherfucking http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874871 .

14:04

Logged on 2018-11-26 18:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a strong bias against proggies which try to be 'smart'

14:05

Only A Terrorist(tm)! would ever put in leading zeros! or wat.

14:06

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2015-July/694349.html << confirmed lul.

14:07

i'd say moar, but mircea_popescu already formulated concisely, in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884378 .

14:07

Logged on 2019-01-04 16:47 mircea_popescu: ie, EXACTLY these dead horses smart people are dragging around on their own fucking power to sheer exhaustion.

14:20

further upstack , i read http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884475 and was waiting for mention of free-radical scavengers , e.g. WR-2721 and other variations on the theme, but didn't find..

14:20

Logged on 2019-01-04 17:32 mircea_popescu: this is not factually true. leaving aside how nuclear explosion not nearly as harmful to people as commonly misrepresented (and let's see http://trilema.com/2011/radiatia-si-corpul-omenesc/#comment-44772 re this), there's precious few neutron casualties recorded.

14:22

( aka amifostine . there's 5-6 publicly known variations on same leitmotif )

14:24

https://archive.vn/Ob6ti << ru army issues yet-others. whole subj shrouded in bolix-esque aura of seekrederpery, for decades.

14:39

diana_coman

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884512 -> last published paper seems to be from 1985, uni reading's website mentions him as part of "combinatorics @ Reading" but "retired"

14:39

Logged on 2019-01-04 18:33 asciilifeform: uni of reading, uk. wonder if d00d is still alive and within reach of diana_coman

14:39

not very surprising

14:40

most of the folx whose heads worked in 1970s, long ago reached end of working life

14:40