#trilema | 2019-01-25

what's oxford need technology for anyway.

10:58

Well, not much since they gave up their wall technology

11:00

they got that world-famous logician anyways, VIRTUAL WALL

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11:19

Well, that's Nancy Pantsuit's latest failure to engage Trump in the shutdown. Exactly the sum Trump wants to start walling, but restricted to more Boeing camera/drone/robodog wank in the tradition of Dubya

11:23

1800s level capitol hill tech.

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Indeed

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11:51

recall that huawei was usg.fatwa'd for konsoomer pnoje also ( presumably logic is, 'ohnoez, even tards no longer want to buy ipnoje with 0 buttons and $2k price -- wat do? let's try banning all competition' )

11:53

it'll be a pretty funny decade, ustards crowding retarddit to coordinate wikitardia articles about who's the "real" president of the most serene republic &c

11:54

iirc they already tried ~that~ ( gavin ? )

11:55

when did failure discourage a group of morons.

11:55

tru. who, incidentally, is the current gavin? i admit, lost track, dun follow subj actively

11:57

seems to be unnamed, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-24#1889797

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Logged on 2019-01-24 15:19 BingoBoingo: Well, overnight alt-President invited the US Embassy garrison to remain over Maduro's expulsion order

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mircea_popescu doesn't specifically care, pantsuit "names" are entirely inconsequential anyway.

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asciilifeform tuned out of subj when realized that can't point to a distinguishing algo between gavin, hearn, wright, et al -- they're idempotent , like electron..

12:01

asciilifeform oh, but wait, in rokeks did you ever see http://trilema.com/2011/romania-cea-de-basm-partea-i/ ?

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not seen, but iirc mircea_popescu actually mentioned this item elsewhere

12:02

!#s eminescu

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55 results for "eminescu", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=eminescu

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(romanian academy published a book in which it included the fraud complaint i issued against their at the time sitting head as "found on the Internet", an expression at the time famous in ro for being used by various derps)

12:03

this is almost as hilarious as the 'mathematical' conferences that happily ate perl-generated 'paper' etc

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ie, mostly tv stations perceived blogs as competition, but ~because they actually were~ competition, and winning, couldn't omit stealing their conent. and so the expression "found on the Internet" was invented to avoid saying "we suck, go read this-dood.com instead"

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mircea_popescu: these folx so stupid they dun even know how to mit-phuctor ??

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which puts us in the following amusing relation : the romanian academy perceived that not only i'm the competition... but have the upper hand.

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asciilifeform too inept dood, what. they can't do shit.

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in any case, in 2011, as in 2001, as in 2021 i can say "academia romana keks" or http://trilema.com/2011/stimata-academie/ whatever ; but they can't say "trilema.com", because holy shit.

12:06

so now... let's go ban huawei top keks, make america alone again!

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it started like that, you realise. back in the early days of the confederacy, the us president couldn't on his own merit summon enough credit in europe to afford a meal at a decent restaurant. if the local dukes of dorset didn't invite them to their table, they'd eat poached eggs brought from home on the side of the road.

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well-documented (e.g. jefferson lost his shirt )

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mircea_popescu: did the fraud complaint result in anyffin but the pictured lulgem?

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( how does copyrasty work in europistan anyway... does it actually make for a claim, or do you gotta be disney, like in usa..? )

12:21

meanwhile, in 'holy fuck, i thought we hit rock bottom but then heard a knock from below' lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mcleod/index.html << 'professor of engineering' tries to argue in favour of old-fashioned , carmichaelizable primality litmus ~instead~ of m-r, on acct of the 'rarity of carmichael #s' .

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asciilifeform can't copyright legal proceedings, they're public.

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(i mean, i realise in the us they aren't, but w/e, nobody really gives a shit about retardistan)

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mircea_popescu: i meant re the orig stolen trilema piece

12:23

but the orig piece is precisely that, i published the complaint.

12:24

hm i must be thick.. what was the orig complaint about

12:24

so did they -- went in 2nd, right AFTER the sitting ro president's salutation and right above what they judged as the top economiasm.

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asciilifeform fraud. http://trilema.com/2009/denunt-penal-in-contra-lui-eugen-simion/

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a++ iron pen btw

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ikr ?

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asciilifeform has a very similar ancestral one, but not much of a calligraphist

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mircea_popescu: so, did 'procuror sef' ever answer ?

12:29

certainly. http://trilema.com/2009/denunt-penal-in-contra-lui-eugen-simion-raspunsul-dna/

12:30

lol form letter ?

12:31

well what was he going to write me perfumed billets doux ?

12:31

anyway, item did what such items do, in the us too : it blew a hole in the party-that-the-guy-was-fronting's skirts, and he retired.

12:32

neato.

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anyway, all these were strictly unthinkables in the place and time.

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99.99x% of all those who interacted with the object online had never before perceived the functioning of these mechanisms to any degree. romania has ~0 civic education in the school system and so on. even the modicum of "teach dork to write a formal application" or w/e they used to do in home ec was abandoned.

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but as a factual matter, before us-ization ro had a very good legal system ; much like 80 years prior, before sovietization.

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iirc mircea_popescu had a piece where 'lasted just long enuff to show what freedom smelled like' or how did it go

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possibru. i dun recall right off...

12:43

asciilifeform the abstract claim, "one random round of fermat provides same error probability as 32 rounds of m-r" is pretty striking.

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mircea_popescu: it aint even wrong, as such. simply ignores fact that it'll always say 'prime' when eats a carmichael.

12:45

is this published 2018 ?

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loox like

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and it even begins with the usual pantsuit signature, "as an X", huh.

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aaaha

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mirrored & posted for entomological record.

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well, so now we know what to do should robert d mcleod aka robert.mcleod@umanitoba.ca show up.

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lolyes

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i thought the notion being pushed is hilarious tho. 'who cares if yer litmus doesn't work on 561, it aint like you ever need to verify whether 561 is prime' etc

12:50

looking into the intro/outro derpitudes, it looks like the nobus-encryption afficionados in usg.blue that survived the clinton era are looking to build "scientific basis" for ulterior nonsense.

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mircea_popescu: lotsa examples of these zombies, e.g.,

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ie, "mathematicians know and computer dorks needn't worry" bla bla.

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!#s boneh

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41 results for "boneh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boneh

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or for that matter the current husk of djb.

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this guy is fucking terrible, where's this whole crop of new model wykham professors of logic spawn from anwyays ?

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printing press, where

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'i have maffs phd, where do i go to maffs for moneys' 'hey we have this here opening... all you gotta do is shill for quantum-resistant philosopher's stones with boneh' 'where do i sign' etc

12:54

nevermind kids never being taught how to write a fucking legal document in school. how about they be taught HOW NOT TO BRING FEMININE ARGUMENTS.

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this here aint even 'feminine', closer to... prikokine

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that's what it means, exactly.

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http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/#selection-139.48-139.184 which is to say "since i'm gonna get pinned down and have a parasite injected ~ANYWAY~, might as well blablablblabla" and so on.

12:57

characteristically, even ~these~ used to be moar interesting, imho -- back when the breakage was at least sometimes subtle

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-15#1670800 as it were

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Logged on 2017-06-15 18:26 mircea_popescu: in the end the question comes down to, do you feel like a man, or do you feel like a woman ? just don't lie to me or lie to me prettily ?

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in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-10#1015263

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Logged on 2015-02-10 21:16 beetcoin: bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy?

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!!up beetcoin

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deedbot

beetcoin voiced for 30 minutes.

13:29

what have you learned in the intervening half decade then ?

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well, in 2017 we saw that the governance model was resistant to miners signalling for a doubling of max block weight

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i was never a big-blocker, idk if being perceived that way was the origin of our dispute in 2015

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but it's even clearer now that the purpose of governance is to optimize for trustlessness

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i cannot resist to bite -- beetcoin , wtf is 'trustlessness' ?

13:48

Bitcoin having the property of trustlessness means that you may use it without trusting anyone

13:49

how's this work ? built own comp, wrote own client... ?

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you may do that

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but didja ?

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you seriously learned nothing in five years ?

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does deliberate, stubborn stupidity pay something, somewhere ? or is it just the internal "satisfaction" ?

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hahaha

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what is the problem?

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no problem, i suppose for as long as they keep feeding you, you'll keep vegetating in yourself.

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asciilifeform, of course we have to trust that our CPU isn't backdoored unless we start our own fabrication facility. Bitcoin isn't perfectly trustless because of that, i'm just saying it should be the goal of governance

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beetcoin: consider, the 'bitcoin komyooniti' had full decade nao to remove the 'wtf do these cpp turds even DO in all possible boundary conditions' from the list of unknowns. and did they ?

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14:24

this "trustless" echoes some students' insistence that it's "better to not have to trust someone" - I couldn't quite get to the root of it

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diana_coman: by same token, a perpetuum mobile is also 'better' engine, dun need to fuel it. the 1 problem is that where do you get one.

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perhaps a combination of "I'd much rather NOT have this responsibility so passing it to some abstract group/network HAS to be great" and "all people are ~same and X is a crook therefore all people are crooks therefore can't trust someone"

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in re 'you may do that', what comes to mind is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706534

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Logged on 2017-08-30 19:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706369 << how about focusing on your own fucking problems! clean up that pizza wrapper! cook for fucking once. go out and walk that misfortunate dog of yours. instead of pretending to "solve" the problems of distant others for the transparent reason that you can avoid having to confront not having done ANYTHING in a whole decade this way.

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folx wanking over hypothetical 'moar trustless' protocols etc. while happily snarfing up openssl , cpp, etc., are a peculiarly anglotardian sort of head-stander

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( naggum also had a thing re 'for fucks sake clean up the kitchen' )

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certainly, but that was precisely what they kept "avoiding" at all costs; e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/10/my-talk-of-bitcoin-at-reading-uni/#selection-213.0-213.61 and their strongly-dearly held idea that "contracts can't be broken" pretty much

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mostly unrelatedly -- while diana_coman is awake -- diana_coman can you think of why vanstone et al give n - 2 upper bound for m-r witness ? cuz by theorem, it's good through n - 1

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well yes; but I was struck by why this particular thing to latch on; perhaps "easiest" and the approved anti-whatever or something but anyways

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( and in fact all that's req'd of witness is that it be coprime with n )

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hm, not off the top of my head

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seems like ~50% of the various lit blindly copies the n - 2 thing , also

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for no, afaik, particular reason.

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asciilifeform, can you point me exactly to what you mean re n-2?

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1s

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i.e. which exact para in the book or wherever are you puzzled about

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vanstone sect 4.24 (p. 139 in my copy )

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'choose a random integer a , 2 <= a <= n - 2'

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right, I'm looking at it

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cormen & rivest gives the proper , per the theorem, upper bound of n - 1

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pediwik -- copies vanstone's

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koch , otoh, does other thing entirely, trims the bitness to be below N's

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diana_coman i suspect you're exactly on point.

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in the same vein, changing diapers is really something the aliens should do.

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it sounds stupid until you realise that's 100% what's meant by "#metoo"

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In other news, it looks like Trump agrees with OMB on the furlough thing per http://qntra.net/2019/01/trump-cancels-pantsuit-vacation-party/ Agreeing to turn the government back on for 3 weeks and then declaring emergency

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BingoBoingo: iirc carter's 'declared emergency' was never Officially undeclared

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Emergency meaning, in the headlines wall and 30 days after three weeks furloughs

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yeah, wasn't the us in state of emergency since the 70s ?

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aha!

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Details

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lol

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the bit got stuck on.

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gotta shake the box

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Well, you know how the alarm gets stuck on so you gotta buy another while the first is wailing? Government of Lawls not men?

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asciilifeform, I even remember I did go with pen and paper precisely through this but I'd need to rummage through the old papers to find it again, ugh

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diana_coman: plox to post if you turn it up.

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diana_coman: i went through the algo, to bake ffaistic proof of correctness, and get n - 1.

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Anyways after seeing Vzla go indeterminate following riots over who can deliver a richer basket of dry noodles... investigation reveals A+++ crowd control equipment can can sourced locally

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in other unrelated luls, in the country apparently named "el salvador" there exists a town called "la libertad".

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abstraction incarnate.

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http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/ << Trilema -- Trilema images no longer showing ?

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mircea_popescu: the tradition is to send img hotlinkers goatse, but this also a++

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if anyone's hindered by teh item in their legitimate extersions lemme know.

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asciilifeform 's www, not being superstar like trilema, serves up maybe 20-30GB (incl. to spamcrawlers) on a heavy day, so never bothered

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you also don't have naked women. but fuck me if im going to start budgeting my visuals now.

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i've very little photo at all ( on typical day, ~2GB total movement )

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asciilifeform so far even avoided bitmapped maffs, in the vein of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888458

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Logged on 2019-01-20 15:31 feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/01/experiment-n-way-split-karatsuba/ << bvt's backtrace -- Experiment: N-Way Split Karatsuba

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over a lifetime of mathing those can in fact end up quite heavy

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they're imho ugly as sin too

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i dunlike bitmapped maffs.

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all i've got in re those is a few de-pdf'd artifacts, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884500 etc

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Logged on 2019-01-04 18:30 asciilifeform: aand nao for an archaeo-sumthing compleeetely different : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/daykin/index.html

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http://www.loper-os.org/pub/barrett/index.html , and coupla others.

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asciilifeform uses these strictly in 'за что купил за то и продаю' situations

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aaanyway, i dunno if specifically should or shouldn't be included in mp-wp, but it's certainly there published to be coopted if useful.

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could easily come in ultra-handy if sudden burst of heathen traffic.

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kinda the eternal problem of the count-of-knobs. put it in, now it's in. put it behind a knob, now there's a knob. leave it out, now it's out.

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BingoBoingo: dhl claims 'mon jan 28th delivery' for crate.

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asciilifeform: 10-4

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http://trilema.com/2019/vice-versa-by-thomas-anstey-guthrie/ << Trilema -- Vice-Versa. By Thomas Anstey Guthrie.

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shinohai

That spider header has got to be one of my new faves mircea_popescu

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BingoBoingo has yet to see an impressive spider down here. No monkeys, no death spiders, two kindly garden snakes, morbidly pale latinos... What kind of South America is this?

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shinohai

Seems Venezuela gets all the cool stuff, like Relampago del Catatumbo and La Mancha Negra. Dunno if they have death spiders there either though.

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Well, they have some pretty cool snake fighting dogs

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tight

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Good boys, but big mastiff good boys

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ah big dawgs eh

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Well, in Vzla they got jungle and jungle means anacondas

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Here in Uruguay we have grass and grass means cows, or rats in locations the cows don't fit

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But there are indeed cows in city limits

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Just gotta go to Mujica's hood in Prado to see them

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https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article13905138.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_MAIN-Brexit.jpg << anyone spot the difference >> https://archive.is/wUtKi/b3218d8701549846a8368939a450d4d3950f68b6.jpg ?

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BingoBoingo has the elements of a Mujica post bouncing around for the new post box

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mircea_popescu: One of those trannies can pass for 40

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One is an actual clown, the other just pretends to be.

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the sudden political implosion & sinkage of airstrip one is pretty lulzy. "henry 7th powers" indeed.

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don't you need a henry first ?

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The henry is out next to the rookery

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BingoBoingo giving an appearance at the Montevideo Open Chess Tournament a thought

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Always a good way to sharpen your skills.

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As my ELO is well under the 2400 necessary for a fee waiver and free room I suspect the 60 USD would be better allocated to either a Daschund or cheese

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Ask some fellow republicans to play against you from time to time, I bet you'd find some takers.

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Pretty sure we did that drunk in 2013 and the truffles chick nearly won before disappearing

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Anyways, I have access to one of Uruguay's top players.

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Ah, that works. Playing your betters will always improve your skills.

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http://fuajedrez.com/Noticias/ID/1169/III-Abierto-de-Montevideo-Copa-Marcel-Duchamp-2019 << The thing that got caught in the alerts filter

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FU ajadrez indeed

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60 USD registration fee and 16th-30th place offer 50 USD as the prize

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But for prospecting I expect the Chess crowd would be more lucid than the stoners

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And no, I have no idea why they named it after urinal guy yet

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I'll stake you if you wanna go and rub-elbows with these guys.

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Not necessary

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Fair enough, Sir.

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Registration doesn't close until the 31st or they get enough paid interest. In the interim I'm mulling over the opportunity cost of the tournament versus a pupper versus more cheese.

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February is the month of prepping for alf and more Rockchip, pupper and cheese can both wait

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For the raep story files from the Toronto Sun: https://archive.is/fLZBv with the question: What gender does RBG identify as in the hospital?

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meanwhile, in misc. lullies, https://www.jugashvili.com/about/

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Jacob completed his secondary education in Moscow and thereafter studied at Tbilisi State Academy of Fine Arts from 1992-1994. In 1997 he graduated from the Glasgow School of Art (Painting and Drawing) with a BA. Between 1997 and 2000 Jacob showed at various London venues: the Boundary Gallery, Lamont Gallery, Royal College of Art, London Art Fair, Georgia 2000 exhibition at Cork streets Gallery 27. In 1999 his works were sho

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wn at Batumi Art Museum (Batumi, Georgia).

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From 2000-2005 Jacob did almost no painting, working instead in IT business.

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there's some serious fucking issues in the brainbox of the rettardit generation. why THE FUCK do they think i'll take their pompous bullshit seriously ? what fucking fine arts. it's a dodge.

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sic transit gloria mundi (tm)(r)

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he's as much an "it specialist" as he is a carpenter, painter or politician. "could do anything!!!" as sure as fucksticks, but irl unskilled and unwilling to work.

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to rework the old saw, the a-students birth the b-students, ..., the c-students birth the redditus.

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BingoBoingo: go win those fiddibux, wainot, it's honest dough

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oh wait '60 registration fee' lol

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ffs.

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asciilifeform: AHA

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1st is 1200 bucks, but I know if Shubert shows up I place lower than Shubert capping my ceiling

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who's shubert ?

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sad great^3grandson of composer ?

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asciilifeform: Good fellow who does morning shifts at the barracks.

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BingoBoingo: i dun think i could resist the temptation . and whoknows, maybe yer schubert eats 1 too many magick pies that day , and loses

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Reads the big German philosophers and gets disappointed when I fail to turn the freedom trap I offer him with the Pric into a win

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BingoBoingo however can summon arbitrary numbers of magick pies of arbitrary magick content within ~3-5 days notice... such is Uruguay

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so algo is then obv.: 1) obtain pies 2) treat the kraut 3) win the 1200 ...

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Mystery is how many other krauts/russians are in the mix.

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from asciilifeform's surface inspection, place wasn't exactly swarming with either. then again mebbe they all were in the fu ajedrez

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You were the one who picked up a bubuska's Russian at the feria with your ears

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did i, hm

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Near the torta fritas on la calle La Paz. Far north end of the Feria

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asciilifeform nao recalls.

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asciilifeform: Do you recall a bunch of loud electric taxi chargers near the intendencia? I forget when they showed up, but if you can offer a yes/no that shrinks the window

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meanwhile trilema hitlogs for today >1gb. this "every tard a netlink" world sucks.

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4srs

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there's really no need they should die christened, let alone connected.

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mircea_popescu: dun think those were there, then

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who ?

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mircea_popescu: But the future is clearly wifi panchos https://i.redd.it/4vsofdw11lc21.jpg

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http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uy/spirt.jpg << oblig ru.uruguay

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mircea_popescu: adivino que he's talking about the city hall taxi chargers

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hanbot

<mircea_popescu> Jacob completed his secondary education in Moscow and thereafter studied at Tbilisi State Academy << i read "thereafter" as "therefore" and was very confused/amused for a minute

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http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NzBhm/?raw=true << here's a sampler of "activity".

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mircea_popescu: ~1G/diem is approx what asciilifeform's www shits out. so loox like yer hotlinker-ratpoison worx!

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as it happens that's not a bot -- 74.90.192.109 is allocated to some schmuck in yonkers, ny, and the timing delays clearly indicate what these fucktards do : RETRY.

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i shudder to think how many times the average toaster is rebooted on an average week of its average life in the average yonkers household.

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guy prolly takes his pets to the vet, "doc, i think something's wrong, i keep retrying them on the nose but nothing happens"

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mircea_popescu: it's prolly a pnojeist on an underground train, or sumthing equally sad

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who tries and tries and TRIES AGAIN.

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this is what orange man's gonna make a maga out of ?

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how the fuck.

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well yea train goes into tunnel, then out

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i bet you 5 years after reddit went the way of the dnc, they'll still be pressing f5

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they would if crapple kbd still had a f5 lol

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asciilifeform wtf tunnel is there between yonkers and queens or w/e ?!

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I suspect 74.90.192.109 is likely a Google trying to cache lost porn. Or a butthurt RO dude abusing google yonkers machines now that he has a pension.

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it's allocated to some dude's house.

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Maybe the reddit sciencehaet chick?

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then i got nuffin

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Or google is playing house with a 9 year old boy?

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google schmoogle. the ~only life skill of jugasvilli & co consists of clicking the retry button indefinitely.

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http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=from+74.90. << bonus lul

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( none directly from the subj tho )

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loox to be dead, fwiw.

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or hm, nope, just swallows icmp

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actually listens on 4567, the infamous actiontec backdoor.

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mircea_popescu: there's yer answr.

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what is ?

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mircea_popescu: luser on 1 of the big monopoly isps in usa; runs the stock router, which contains a nobu^H^H^Hfree-for-all openrelay

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nobody's openrelaying anything. that it's a typical ustard was not in dispute ; that he's doing this manually neither. schmuck is sitting on a couch as we speak, "surfing" ie trying to load pronz "from google", because "he lives in a society" and etcetera.

23:57

and i'm cordially invited to sponsor his delusion. and if i opt not to, he will... RETRY.

23:58

while the ramen stores last, at least.

23:58

could be. openrelay ddoser would at least make some sorta sense tho. vs. this.

23:59

absolutely 0 sense, why the fuck would "openrelay ddoser" follow 301s

23:59