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02:35 diana_coman asciilifeform, I don't know if anyone asked - I've stated it in the blogpost in clear just the same
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07:10 feedbot http://explo.yt/post/2018/03/25/CoinBr-going-offline << serialized delusions -- CoinBr broker going offline
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07:45 diana_coman jurov, admittedly I never used CoinBr so don't know much of its previous online presence but I always thought "online" for such a thing meant mpex-style i.e. anyway gpg-based , no?
07:50 jurov diana_coman: mpex does have website that accepts orders in real time
07:50 jurov I'm be doing any requests manually, not in realtime, hence "offline"
07:51 diana_coman I got that part; my surprise was re why is "accepting gpg-signed orders online" a problem for coinbr given the working model of mpex
07:52 diana_coman it's anyway a realtime-without-guarantees afaik: it eats your order online, sure, but it processes it when it gets to it
07:54 jurov No idea if it's still so, but mpex consisted of proxies directly wired to the order processing backend. Only deposits/withdrawals were processed by hand.
07:55 diana_coman so to put this straight: are you saying that the model you describe (proxies directly wired to the order processing backed) would be a liability for CoinBr or what?
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07:57 jurov yes, the way I built it (webinterface where you log in) became a liability
07:57 diana_coman but then simply change the interface, following existing non-liability model; what am I missing?
07:57 diana_coman sure, log in is a liability,fine; so no login, but it doesn't follow no online
07:59 jurov I will change the interface when there's any interest. There was no usage past year at all. So, no interface, no online processing, for now.
08:00 diana_coman ah, so that's the part that was missing: there is no interest for an online interface
08:01 diana_coman that way I can at least see it, thanks for clarifying, jurov
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09:25 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890659 << ha, nice sidecar. makes it the motorcycle precursor to nascar... right turns not needed. plus good luck reaching that hand clutch
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09:25 a111 Logged on 2019-01-30 00:51 asciilifeform: http://ru-ar.ru/armia << lulzy, .ar army , '40s-'50s
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10:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890690 << probably because he wants to personally eye all txns, like trinque . there's been a "no automated processes" wind blowinfg for many years.
10:48 a111 Logged on 2019-01-30 12:55 diana_coman: so to put this straight: are you saying that the model you describe (proxies directly wired to the order processing backed) would be a liability for CoinBr or what?
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11:09 asciilifeform it makes perfect sense if the job 'fits in hands'
11:09 asciilifeform e.g. asciilifeform tested FG's by hand.
11:10 mircea_popescu i didn't have what to argue against it back in 2016 or w/e it started (not that i didn't see it coming, either) and i've not found anything hence. so...
11:10 asciilifeform imho the only possible arg against it is if you have e.g. 2 hands but 500 worth of process. but evidently jurov , trinque , et al had <= 2 hands worth
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11:11 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu was the orig 'lead by example' in subj, ran (part of?) his reactor by hand
11:12 mircea_popescu true enough.
11:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890697 << it's a classic 'blitzkrieg' zundapp . ( somehow asciilifeform thought that the item is ~instantly recognizable to erryone alive )
11:14 a111 Logged on 2019-01-30 14:25 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890659 << ha, nice sidecar. makes it the motorcycle precursor to nascar... right turns not needed. plus good luck reaching that hand clutch
11:15 asciilifeform Mocky: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878439
11:15 a111 Logged on 2018-12-05 02:36 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/YgtWB << subj, in its natural state
11:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: seems like your crate sprang free from purgatory this morning, and moving
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11:42 asciilifeform diana_coman: i recently reread your series re primes, and found http://ossasepia.com/2018/01/04/eucrypt-chapter-4-random-prime-number-generator/#selection-111.241-117.155 interesting -- koch fermats 1st, but this dun actually save any cpu under any circumstances. pretty lulzy.
11:43 asciilifeform ( as i understand, in koch world fermat test uses ~exactly same # of cycles as 1 shot of m-r )
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11:45 diana_coman asciilifeform, read also next para as in any case there isn't much point to not do M-R if you do it at all
11:45 asciilifeform ah heh
11:45 * asciilifeform was going from paper notes, lol
11:45 diana_coman but well, it probably all comes from "yes, but we don't do it properly and therefore..."
11:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: tyvm, going to investigate
11:46 asciilifeform diana_coman: '0.61 seconds per iteration of M-R' is also lulzy , in context of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-24#1889742
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11:46 a111 Logged on 2019-01-24 00:46 asciilifeform: 0.413s for 2048.
11:46 asciilifeform loox like a replay of the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2906 thing.
11:49 asciilifeform arguably this one's even moar outrageous, koch manages to lose even tho he uses miniscule bases in his modexp (in m-r)
11:51 Mocky asciilifeform re zundapp, leaving aside that it dun look much like a classic blitzkrieg bike to me, I'm commenting on the massive side car that makes the pictured item factually unusable, even with windshield removed
11:51 asciilifeform by naive expectation, his (faux)m-r oughta me 1000-2000x faster than mine
11:51 asciilifeform Mocky: the krauts used'em, by all accts worked a++
11:52 asciilifeform ( exactly how they did turns, i do not know , but was pretty good all-terrain ride and valuable as spoils , and for many yrs in su they could be seen puttering about )
11:53 Mocky bullshit, no one used a bike that can't turn right for anything except ridicule. it was used with a proper side car!
11:53 asciilifeform Mocky: perhaps i'm thick, but why precisely can the pictured machine not turn right ?
11:54 Mocky handlebar is in contact with the sidecar
11:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890713 << the fundamental problem with these amateur cryptographers (as well as with other amateur everythings, from amateur presidents of the united states to amateur socioideologues on fetlife ) is that they go by what "is" rather than by what ~does~.
11:55 a111 Logged on 2019-01-30 16:43 asciilifeform: ( as i understand, in koch world fermat test uses ~exactly same # of cycles as 1 shot of m-r )
11:55 mircea_popescu koch is implementing fermat because fermat ~is~ the test, not because fermat ~does~ something.
11:56 mircea_popescu then koch expects to be hired because koch ~is~, whatever the hell he might be, polite, pedigreed, mit-degreed, "famous" in the smartphone sense etcetera.
11:56 Mocky asciilifeform: maybe my eye is misreading the perspective, which would make more sense, but that's how it looks to me
11:56 asciilifeform Mocky: i dun drive these things, but iirc there is some free play b/w sidecar and bike
11:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is consistent with the overall picture.
11:56 mircea_popescu ars amandi, enough said.
11:57 asciilifeform good % of what's in koch's thing, cannot be explained in any other way.
11:57 mircea_popescu it ALL comes right back down to ye olde http://trilema.com/2016/a-story-of-men/#selection-89.280-89.533 ; romantic notions of love cca 1800s readily map on romantic notions of the world around more generally, hence the amatorial outlook.
11:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for bonus lulz, there is also the 'duct tape' hypothesis. iirc in zimmerman's orig. 'pgp', ~straight fermat~ ( carmichaelizable! ) was used as the sole litmus.
11:58 mircea_popescu and yes, this is exactly what amateur means : one who expects things to work like she imagines copulation works, ie, "love".
11:58 asciilifeform so possible that koch 'duct taped' m-r onto it.
11:59 mircea_popescu that nobody happened to visit the facts of life re the latter upon her sorry ass is a particularly harmful coincidence : way the fuck cheaper to not rape some random walflower, being awkward in a corner. way WAY the fuck more expensive to keep large integers from laughing at kock.
11:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and what do we call the african-argentine plumber who puts in new pipe without taking out old pipe ? "amateur", rite.
12:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we have these here, and they even openly advertise, e.g. 'we'll cement new bathtub into yer old one! 3x cheaper!' etc
12:01 mircea_popescu heh.
12:01 asciilifeform i always picture the result of 5-6 iterations of these, sumthing that loox perhaps like steel mill crucible
12:01 asciilifeform bathtub-footprint, bucket volume
12:02 mircea_popescu Mocky the item depicted ran on all terain, ~50kmph or so.
12:02 mircea_popescu and all-terain in a war thorn europe means some shit re artillery holes and such
12:02 asciilifeform in my mind zundapp is ~the~ 'definitive' motorbike
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12:03 asciilifeform ( for post-war su, defo was, to the point that even present-day export market 'ural' is ~exact clone afaik )
12:04 Mocky in my mind zundapp has reversed hand levers and curved license plate on front fender, although I know not all did
12:04 asciilifeform likely the argentines fucked it
12:04 mircea_popescu they're not really very good. modern bmws way the fuck better bikes.
12:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's mechanic (argentine emigre, incidentally) bought 1 coupla yrs ago. the bugger's huge.
12:05 mircea_popescu http://motosantiguashd.com/dev/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ks7-13.jpg << genuine period attachment.
12:05 asciilifeform engine easily as big as toyota 4wheel's
12:05 mircea_popescu a man ~fired~ that thing while being driven around. and some exceptional teams even arose, much like ye olde man-horse dualities of the red skins or parthians
12:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah but extremely stable and maneuvrable.
12:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i picture zundapp as invariably with that mg.
12:06 asciilifeform to the point that 1st time i saw one on actual street, sans mg34, felt 'wrong'
12:07 mircea_popescu that machinegun, incidentally, had more fucking recoil than current toyota engine has torquw
12:07 Mocky yes those are the hand levers can curved plates
12:07 mircea_popescu torque*
12:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: heh, what was it, 2000 rounds/min ?
12:07 asciilifeform iirc
12:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i do wonder if the bmw monster's 300 horse, would actually make any useful diff in mud road, vs. the classic zundapp's 10
12:09 mircea_popescu something outright naval
12:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform very much so, yes. higher power engine can work slower.
12:09 asciilifeform aa in low gear
12:10 asciilifeform the krauts weren't exactly drowning in cheap petrol tho
12:11 mircea_popescu tru. also, contemporary engine would have been a piece of art in 1940s, irreproducible with current tech
12:11 asciilifeform also tru
12:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's current ride quite likely has moarhorse than 'king tiger' etc
12:12 mircea_popescu hence ye http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887612 complaint.
12:12 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 16:05 mircea_popescu: it's a pretty sweet item, except for one point : its twin engines together less power than bartholomew.
12:13 asciilifeform building sumthing like today's motor , in the last reich, would be 'clockmaker' job ( hand-polish the parts to tolerance ? ), and defo nonstarter at scale, yea
12:15 asciilifeform the aviation engine folx -- tried.
12:15 asciilifeform ( ~that~ , as i understand, is where a coupla extra horse per kg, is 'life & death' q )
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12:37 asciilifeform in other lullies, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=miller+rabin+constant+time << seems like we're the only folx who ever showed detectable symptom of giving a shit..
12:46 asciilifeform in other noose, hats off to BingoBoingo's orccraft, <6day from asciilifeform ordering rk to BingoBoingo uncrating !
12:48 BingoBoingo I am planning to emplace the new Rockchip tomorrow. No downtime is planned, but removing the old and placing the new is going to take some dexterity.
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12:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: when you're there, plox to stuff a new disk into dulap so i can breathe life into it
12:49 asciilifeform for the new rk.
12:49 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Will do
12:49 asciilifeform let's reimage its sd also, ping me when it's time.
12:50 asciilifeform ( can use card from the dead unit )
12:55 asciilifeform meanwhile, http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch16_miller_rabin.kv << ty phf !
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13:13 mircea_popescu and in updates : http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/#selection-43.0-73.1
13:13 mircea_popescu (i think it makes a rather subtle point, so discussion particularly welcome)
13:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i thought 'amateur' is simply what's left when you subtract folx who bake for money.
13:18 asciilifeform ( in that respect, koch is arguably 'professional', entirely bought an' paid for by microshit et al )
13:18 mircea_popescu it seems to be the older definition, but it's fucking meaningless.
13:19 mircea_popescu somali-argentine "professionals" ain't.
13:19 mircea_popescu and if i hire douchebag to douchebag for a while, he's still an amateur.
13:21 asciilifeform imho 'charlatan' is perfectly adequate description of ~these~
13:22 mircea_popescu i'm telling you, amateur is one who expects the world to "play nice" in whatever random definition he comes up with because daddy had the common fucking decency to not rape 'em while they were growing up, SO THEREFORE!!!
13:22 mircea_popescu koch application of fermat DIRECTLY maps on the above "random definition".
13:24 asciilifeform dunno, peddling snake oil for money is not what i associate with 'amateur'; it's quackery. amateur typically writes 'into desk' and doesn't pollute environment. tho i suppose 'open sores' is changing this.
13:26 mircea_popescu amateur surgeons do exist.
13:26 mircea_popescu they "help people fight cancer"
13:26 mircea_popescu guess how ?
13:27 asciilifeform that'd be quackery, neh
13:27 mircea_popescu cuz unsurprisingly enough, namecalling figures massively.
13:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quackery is the particular word for amateur medicine. high time for amateur engineering to get a specific word too, but not the end of ther world to wait for it.
13:27 asciilifeform opensores!111
13:28 mircea_popescu and see, aware fraudster very different from amateur.
13:28 asciilifeform pretty sure koch is 100% aware.
13:28 mircea_popescu the woman that fixed the antique jesus picture was amateur reconditioner of old frescoes.
13:29 mircea_popescu various mammies crowding the us congress building -- amateur Mothers of Their Country
13:29 mircea_popescu and so following.
13:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i do not believe he is.
13:29 Mocky seems like an intentional amateur (amateur pilot) is different from an oblivious amateur
13:29 * asciilifeform vaguely suspects that 'potato jizzus' is moar famous , sadly, than the orig painting nao
13:29 mircea_popescu what's an amateur pilot here ?
13:29 asciilifeform e.g. trinque
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13:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform depends in which crowd.
13:29 asciilifeform iirc he flies, but not passengers/for fee
13:30 Mocky not paid to do it
13:30 mircea_popescu i hold this is an entirely spurious distinction.
13:30 mircea_popescu "paid". everything's ever paid.
13:30 mircea_popescu if i take a seat next to you in your car, the large cost is my sitting, the small cost is the money.
13:30 asciilifeform he flies himself, iirc , cuz likes the feel of the wind or etc.
13:30 asciilifeform at own expense.
13:31 mircea_popescu i can't imagine what diff does it make. if airline pilot flies his own cessna one day is now amateur ?
13:32 mircea_popescu you fly looking either in or out. if you fly looking out -- pro. if you fly looking in -- amateur.
13:32 asciilifeform as i understand, diff enuff activity that it is quite separate from what he does for living; and so amateur, just as he is amateur when plays chess
13:32 mircea_popescu comes from "love" for a FUCKING REASON.
13:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and if kasparov plays with you and without an event purse -- amateur ?
13:32 asciilifeform what means to 'fly looking in' ?
13:33 mircea_popescu everyone has a conception of "how world should be", constructed essentially out of Mother in the positive and some "expectations" from personal history.
13:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: e. lasker, for instance, was pro chessist, but amateur go
13:34 mircea_popescu if kasparov plays to win -- pro ; if kasparov plays to feel good about himself -- amateur. money dun enter into it, and proximity to other people entirely spurious socialism tendril.
13:34 asciilifeform i'm beginning to suspect that mircea_popescu is the last living troo subscriber of s. freud
13:35 asciilifeform ( not that freud was wrong, even, re subj. )
13:35 mircea_popescu ammended but not rescinded, i guess i must be.
13:35 mircea_popescu consider though -- am i an AMATEUR writer ? and who's a professional, everyone on the nytimes list ? really ?
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13:36 mircea_popescu i suppose stalin the definitive amateur, iirc never paid.
13:36 asciilifeform was about to say!
13:36 mircea_popescu obama, tho, that's a pro.
13:37 asciilifeform in a certain old sov children's cartoon there was a crocodile character who , when asked what is his profession, would answer 'i work as myself, there in the zoo'
13:37 mircea_popescu keks.
13:38 mircea_popescu my slaves cook. nobody pays them (of course, there's the http://trilema.com/2018/have-you-ever-paid-for-sex/#selection-35.137-39.757 problem to confound things). all sorta deepfry "cooks" hundred or ten thousand mile radius around you right now, paid to cook. do they ?
13:38 asciilifeform it rose to 'meme', tho, i've seen number of ru folx who 'graduated' from having to work for daily bread, refer to it.
13:39 mircea_popescu seems to me deepfry monkey essentially amateur ; my expert sluts as pro as it can possibly get.
13:39 Mocky I got paid to do some development for a game, but still would say amateur game developer
13:40 mircea_popescu and i also dispute there's any requirement of ~expertise~ for ~professionalism~. utter fucking bullshit of the confused and the definitionless, trying to buy one thing with the other and back again circularly because that's all they got.
13:40 mircea_popescu you can be an inexperienced professional, just as you can be an experienced amateur.
13:42 mircea_popescu in a film in which we see a nurse passing herself for a doctor because whatever in-universe reasons, we have under our eyes an expert amateur doctor!
13:43 asciilifeform in the (possibly surprisingly, to some) not yet dead world of go, there exists such a thing as '9-dan amateur', who can sometimes win against (lower ranked) pro
13:43 mircea_popescu and the theory also readily mops up ye olde http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22coffin%22+%22liner%22 problem : senescence can collapse one back into amateurship!
13:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly!
13:44 Mocky the proposed meaning describes a mindset or attitude only, with no consideration of actual ability
13:44 asciilifeform ( the 'pro' players are entirely diff social circle, tho, and not merely because they live on winnings. they're more or less grown from age 5 to do the thing )
13:45 mircea_popescu allow me to rephrase your http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889356 / http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889358
13:45 a111 Logged on 2019-01-22 19:27 asciilifeform: fwiw when asciilifeform , not even in teen yrs yet, lost interest in olympiads, this was why.
13:45 a111 Logged on 2019-01-22 19:27 asciilifeform: ( didn't particularly relish memorizing chess debuts, either )
13:45 mircea_popescu "when i discovered the universe was artificial i withdrew into amateurship, because you can't commit to following a universe that's broken"
13:45 mircea_popescu Mocky it describes a cognitive context.
13:46 mircea_popescu hence "amateur mistakes" -- mistakes apt to be produced by one who acts as if the world/item/tool/whatever IS HIS MOTHER
13:46 asciilifeform body is as 'broken' as anyffin gets, yet there is still such a thing as pro surgeon
13:46 mircea_popescu body is entirely as unbroken as anything can ever aspire to be.
13:47 asciilifeform eh if unbroken, what's it doing on a surgeon's table
13:47 mircea_popescu huge difference between skeleton and chess.
13:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're equivocating between body conceptual and body of joe.
13:47 asciilifeform hm
13:48 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/analiza-tehnica/#selection-39.171-49.1 << ye olde liberman point, "it is forbidden to have a course in nonsense", stands : it is acceptable to be osteopath ; not acceptable to be chess player.
13:48 Mocky mircea_popescu you're equivocating between being an amateur conceptually and being an amateur at X
13:49 mircea_popescu Mocky there's no transitiveness. how can you be an amateur ~at X~ ?
13:49 mircea_popescu are you also old at desk but young at teapot ?
13:49 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890838
13:49 a111 Logged on 2019-01-30 18:35 mircea_popescu: consider though -- am i an AMATEUR writer ? and who's a professional, everyone on the nytimes list ? really ?
13:49 * asciilifeform 9-dan teapot!111
13:50 mircea_popescu kinda what i'm arguing against.
13:50 Mocky if so then why would picking writer be the argument, why not cook?
13:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i dug for, but failed to find in O(1), Framedragger's 'model airplanes' thrd
13:50 mircea_popescu ie, that line is intended to show that the alternative understanding of the term is inconsistent.
13:51 asciilifeform where he 'i relax doing this cuz the result dun matter to anyone else'
13:51 mircea_popescu Mocky i cook! i picked writer because it's easy to see my writing and hard to see my fucking.
13:51 mircea_popescu and i'm not an amateur fucker, either!
13:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite exactly amateurship, innit!
13:52 mircea_popescu turns out i misspelled cooking. narf.
13:53 mircea_popescu there IS, incidentally, a very marked difference between amateur and serious fuckers, as teh womenz will attest. because the amateur fucker... http://trilema.com/2011/voi-puneti-fetele-sa-zica-ceva/ aka makes you call him "daddy" or w/e.
13:53 asciilifeform imho 'ameteur' vs 'pro' is muchly misleading termnology; 'serious' vs dilettante is as i understand exactly what mircea_popescu was discussing
13:53 mircea_popescu all the fucking scenesters, amateur bdsm folk, have this in common with the pedo and the neurotic-impotent : that they're trying to re-enact.
13:54 asciilifeform is a fella who flies hand-glider on weekends 'trying to re-enact' being bird ?
13:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the problem is that in my head dilettante would be one still getting his footing (ie, who has not yet touched all the elements of the field)
13:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am not responsible to say what exactly ; maybe trying to re-enact being in craddle for all i know.
13:56 asciilifeform ars longa & vita brevis, to touch ~errything~. i'm prepared to piss on koch, but i won't piss on gliderist who gets in nobody's way
13:56 mircea_popescu (anyway, the distinction is spurious, dilettante is LITERALLY italian for "amateur", comes from the same root as gave delight in english)
13:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why do you have to piss ?
13:57 asciilifeform unless i misread thrd, mircea_popescu's implication is that 'amateur' is a type of mental defective
13:57 mircea_popescu not anymore than dreaming is.
13:57 mircea_popescu you go to bed, you close your eyes, your brain goes splat. so what of it.
13:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's 'amateur' sounds moar like sleepwalker than ordinary sleeper tho
13:59 mircea_popescu i also didn't set on fire la paz wooden house, notwithstanding it is a reconstruction.
13:59 BingoBoingo The only problem with amateurs is when their efforts get taken seriously and their pursuit out of love makes a mess for everyone trying to do because they need/want good things: http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/
14:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, sleeper becomes sleepwalker when starts walking ; mp's amateur becomes a nuisance when similarily.
14:01 asciilifeform https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3065132899827911@naggum.no.html << oblig naggum
14:01 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo particularly visible in teh female herd, which is why exposure (as per http://trilema.com/2018/le-salaire-de-lidiotie/#footnote_1_78125 discussion) is such a cure-all of femissues.
14:02 mircea_popescu (and conversely, all the "but i would treat her right and have great sense of humor" non-"asshole" lament, very much this "whay amateur fails!")
14:03 asciilifeform 'tell you what. I receive some cast-away meat from dissections at my nearby veterinary school, and I have absolutely no problem with filling my fridge with dead animal parts. I enjoy studying the interior design of animals while I feed my cat with the meat. if you wade through my garbage, you'd find whole ribs, an assortment of bones, lots of animal skin, an occasional hoof, and a large number of used scalpel blades. I really hop
14:03 asciilifeform e you wouldn't come to me with a sick dog because of it, but that's the way many people approach programmers.'
14:03 mircea_popescu ha!
14:04 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> (and conversely, all the "but i would treat her right and have great sense of humor" non-"asshole" lament, very much this "whay amateur fails!") << Also why amateur doesn't have girl dancing in kitchen with knife and garlic while sitting at terminal
14:05 mircea_popescu (to briefly revisit the dilettante issue : the other problem is that dilettante delights in ~consuming the end product~, ie, listening to music. the amateur trombonist and the dilettante jazzist may be a match made in heaven, however, they're not the same thing -- much like the narcissist and his borderline-sleeve gf aren't.)
14:05 asciilifeform lichen + fungus !11
14:11 asciilifeform re the trombonists -- if they're playing in designated padded room, who the hell cares .
14:12 asciilifeform koch et al, 'play in carnegie hall', like the infamous florence foster jenkins
14:12 mircea_popescu well, classification is classification ; the meaning of words flow from reason not from some sort of consideration of political expediency
14:13 asciilifeform i'm not disputing the wires, only the stickers on the wires.
14:14 mircea_popescu tbh, the carnegie hall may be a fine example -- florence jenkins played in what ~everone deemed a "how cute, they made copy out of hut!" item.
14:15 diana_coman mircea_popescu, what's the difference between this "amateur" and "childish"?
14:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where was the orig hut then ?
14:16 diana_coman the world/whatever he does is his Mummy -> child
14:16 mircea_popescu ie, yes, jenkins sings to carnegie hall, koch cryptograpies to the conference plastic carpet, some kids in egypt http://trilema.com/2011/bine-ati-venit-la-noi-in-tara/#selection-177.0-177.14 and so following.
14:16 mircea_popescu diana_coman about five years. childish notions are both narrow and misapplied. amateur notions are merely misapplied, but remarkably extensive.
14:17 diana_coman uhm, you mean one can get out of being childish just by covering ground?
14:17 diana_coman not sure I see how that works
14:17 mircea_popescu i mean if the part of the brain that handles the mechanics of thought moves into adulthood, rendering the subject capable of articulating longer strings and remembering them,
14:18 mircea_popescu whereas the substance of thought does not move into adulthood, rendering the subject incapable to rightly apprehend the world,
14:18 mircea_popescu therefore one's an amateur rather than merely childish.
14:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-10#494107 << traditional formula of address for amateurs.
14:19 a111 Logged on 2014-02-10 01:34 mircea_popescu: people can want in one hand and piss in the other, see which fills first.
14:20 diana_coman hm, so amateur is the childish use of adult brain capacity i.e. a mismatch essentially?
14:20 mircea_popescu quite.
14:20 Mocky if a child is doing it, it's not childish, it's child-like. it's only childish for an adult
14:22 Mocky well child-like is not the term, but I do think childish only applies to adults. calling a child childish would be in jest
14:23 mircea_popescu so by your nomenclature normal 5yo, "child-like", mongoloid 20 yo "childish", etc ?
14:23 mircea_popescu iirc it went the other way around.
14:23 mircea_popescu Mocky calling a woman sexy, also in jest, term reserved for prepubescent girls and boys of all ages ?
14:23 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/computing-timeshare-market-xdecid-shuttered-by-fbi/ << Qntra -- Computing Timeshare Market xDecid Shuttered By FBI
14:24 diana_coman to my mind all children ARE childish, what else; but in their case that's just by definition basically, they can't be something else, not an issue
14:24 mircea_popescu i don't necessarily kid if i call my car carsy either.
14:24 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo " xDedic" or " xDecid" ?
14:25 mircea_popescu though i suppose the proper name'd be http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=uci
14:25 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: xDedic, fxd
14:25 BingoBoingo Well, a sort of proto UCI
14:25 diana_coman I can see at least the distinction proposed there with amateur vs childish
14:27 mircea_popescu diana_coman note that the class of childish notion's wider than the class of amateur tropes.
14:28 mircea_popescu children routinely make all sorts of mistakes, chief among which the naive extension (ie http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877543 ) and dynamic-static confusion ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756978 )
14:28 a111 Logged on 2018-12-01 21:21 mircea_popescu: "the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b ; object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case
14:28 a111 Logged on 2017-12-22 16:45 mircea_popescu: in other notes to the self, I was recently looking desperately for that discussion of the static/dynamic infantile error, but gave up in frustration. neverhteless, here it is : http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/#selection-221.55-225.273
14:29 mircea_popescu whereas amateurs specialize in one particular branch of childish mistake : stuff to with love.
14:29 mircea_popescu making jesus (not as either the historical character or the pre-1800s various layers of reported historical character) the elliot of amateurs.
14:29 diana_coman really? so what, if you notice an amateur making at some point ALSO a childish mistake then...it's not an amateur anymore?
14:29 diana_coman begging the q: what is it then
14:30 mircea_popescu from reviewing my past practice, i suspect i'd call them "retarded".
14:30 mircea_popescu ie, yes.
14:31 diana_coman uhm, maybe this particular love-mistake is so significant in practice to really make the distinction that no, they are not retarded, they are just ...dunno, love-seeking? and anyway then...why is this not just retarded as well?
14:31 mircea_popescu but anyway, the amateur, as a category, is very much a 19th century late-protestantism invention, along with such greats as "altruism" etcetera. they have little anchoring in reality, being as they are the waste byproducts of a specific stage of industrial society.
14:32 mircea_popescu diana_coman "retarded" is a term for ~broad~ failure. narrow failure, ie one that can be described on a single node, doesn't seem to meet it.
14:34 mircea_popescu some guy who can't spell, because cotsnaltny doign htis, is you know, merely dyslexic. if they ALSO can't tie their own shoes... well...
14:35 diana_coman I suppose it's a matter of how broad is broad enough basically: i.e. e o ureche si nici n-aude bine
14:36 mircea_popescu just about.
14:37 mircea_popescu anyway, the amateur behaviour is actually not unknown among children. now and again you see some kid (esp one that's not usually violent) FURIOUS to the point of rabid because some other kid "cheated", ie, did something the universe supported but the kid's mind did not.
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14:38 mircea_popescu at about the age of 10-11 or so, children, that were previously quite happy to play together, separate very visibly into pro-player and amateur-player groups.
14:39 mircea_popescu the distinction generally matches their gender, too. girls tend to end up in the amateur-player groups. not so much climbing and activities with sticks that are wont to show one how inadequate human life is in a contest with sheer reality ;
14:39 mircea_popescu lotta play-pretend and so forth instead.
14:40 diana_coman you mean: at/after puberty, girls can't quite beat the shit out boys anymore and therefore they stop fighting them directly; lol
14:40 mircea_popescu the traditional period greeting among boys, etched as it finds itself in my memory, went "ma, tu poti asa ?" ie, "hey, can you do this ?". girls tended to challenge each other rather to knowledge of particular conventions, "you read so and so book ?! SO DID I!!!"
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14:41 mircea_popescu diana_coman entirely possibru! though the ~average~ girl is still no match for the lower placed boys. so i wouldn't call it "can't" properly speaking.
14:48 diana_coman I don't quite parse that
14:49 diana_coman do you mean that the average girl can still beat the lower placed boys after puberty?
14:49 diana_coman that might be, sure; doesn't change much though yes, strictly speaking "can" aka a qualified can
15:02 mircea_popescu that's what i mean, yes.
15:02 mircea_popescu actually, if they at all cared to... here, let me recount an anecdote.
15:03 mircea_popescu so the year's sometime in the golden 90s, and some super-duper karate trainer guy who happens to also be a friend of the family is visiting.
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15:03 mircea_popescu he has a daughter. she is almost exactly my age.
15:03 mircea_popescu so we go to the club, because what can you do ?
15:04 mircea_popescu i have her walk in front of me ; and JUST as i'm explaining that nobody'd better fucking molest my guest or else, i feel some schmuck interlacing himself in front of me.
15:04 mircea_popescu clubs in the 90s were TIGHT.
15:04 mircea_popescu and then JUST as i turn to grab the dood by the scruff of his neck and see who the fuck this is then, what, am i talking to myself here ?!
15:04 mircea_popescu he collapses soft as a rag in my arms.
15:05 mircea_popescu chick slid her ass to the side and cracked him one shoe square in the forehead, after he grabed her ass.
15:05 mircea_popescu i have nfi how she found the room for such kicking, but, the fact remains -- very much ~could~, a good half of all males are not worth the chickenfeed.
15:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890962 << hey how does one say 'взять на слабо' in ro ? ( trad. method of 1 boy getting another to do something foolish, 'hey betcha yer too weak to X!' )
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15:07 a111 Logged on 2019-01-30 19:40 mircea_popescu: the traditional period greeting among boys, etched as it finds itself in my memory, went "ma, tu poti asa ?" ie, "hey, can you do this ?". girls tended to challenge each other rather to knowledge of particular conventions, "you read so and so book ?! SO DID I!!!"
15:07 mircea_popescu !#s "jump in the well"
15:07 a111 0 results for "\"jump in the well\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22jump%20in%20the%20well%22
15:07 mircea_popescu hm. i am sure i mentioned it!
15:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890957 << >> http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#selection-125.354-125.545
15:09 a111 Logged on 2019-01-30 19:37 mircea_popescu: anyway, the amateur behaviour is actually not unknown among children. now and again you see some kid (esp one that's not usually violent) FURIOUS to the point of rabid because some other kid "cheated", ie, did something the universe supported but the kid's mind did not.
15:10 mircea_popescu you know ?
15:10 asciilifeform recurrent motif
15:11 * asciilifeform brb,tea
15:14 diana_coman mircea_popescu, well, it's basically those who really cared to vs those who really did NOT care to, will always be able to; uhm? the whole thing was those who really cared to vs those who really cared to, otherwise not much sense imo
15:15 mircea_popescu well, which brings us full circle : girls seemed to prefer that way rather than this, notwithstanding that they ~could~ have earned a decent spot on the rooster if earnestly tried.
15:16 mircea_popescu but, for some reason (which i suspect -- only in part cultural, and besides, why would a girl believe her mother) they tend to not want to earnestly try.
15:17 diana_coman ehm, from personal experience I can tell you that precisely at that age there is basically a massive handicap all of a sudden; and quite visible too
15:17 diana_coman so yes, sure, still can, but here, have it even harder because reasons
15:18 mircea_popescu you mean tits ?
15:18 mircea_popescu 11yos don't have tits.
15:18 diana_coman hrm, some don't , lol; tits and ass and even more than that
15:19 mircea_popescu my point is that the behavioural separation is visible rather before secondary sexual characteristics.
15:19 diana_coman hormones also affect how much /easy muscle is put on for instance
15:20 mircea_popescu that's for sure. though THAT only comes into its own when i sit here typing and bulk up while the girls are (even now!) at the gym and... nothin' doin'.
15:22 mircea_popescu nicoleci aaaahahaha RAW CHICKEN
15:25 nicoleci mircea_popescu, fetlife never disappoints. the best part of it is how he gave an explanation on why he thought that for a whole second and posted the comment
15:26 nicoleci should probably try for a raw lamb next time
15:26 mircea_popescu aite, ima add a cleaver to the list.
15:32 nicoleci should be a fun demonstration for everyone at the store
15:41 BingoBoingo Maybe give Cuy a try
15:42 BingoBoingo Cavia porcellus for the uninitiated
15:45 nicoleci haha, then next a capybara
15:47 BingoBoingo I can't speak as to the taste of capybara
15:50 BingoBoingo Cuy's kinda like a fattier rabbit, cooked like a small duck
15:51 BingoBoingo And the locals shot a second police officer this week. Monday's in Villa Española. This one in La Blanqueda.
15:52 nicoleci yeah me either, we should change this. i wonder if mircea_popescu's scope of pretentiousness reaches tasting a fine capybara
~ 2 hours 9 minutes ~
18:01 asciilifeform lol asciilifeform misread, was just about to ask how one prepares a capybara an' how was the meat
18:02 * asciilifeform pictures it as a 20kg rabbit, and mouth waters
18:03 asciilifeform or 1 of those iguanas, say
18:06 asciilifeform oh hey BingoBoingo finally dined on ultra-short pig ?
18:06 * asciilifeform recalls'em at the BingoBoingostan market, right next to the other meat on the hoof
18:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890969 << was karatism ultra-popular in '80s ro, like in late sovok ? ( there, was ubiquitous, esp. on acct of being Officially verboten )
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18:10 a111 Logged on 2019-01-30 20:03 mircea_popescu: so the year's sometime in the golden 90s, and some super-duper karate trainer guy who happens to also be a friend of the family is visiting.
18:11 asciilifeform 1 of the 1st things asciilifeform remembers reading as a larva , is a street poster advertising 1 of those underground dojos
~ 1 hours 7 minutes ~
19:18 mircea_popescu so we're back to
19:18 mircea_popescu Jan 30 15:42:41 * Closing Link: pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
19:18 mircea_popescu Jan 30 15:42:41 * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
19:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do all pipes drop or just fleanode's ?
19:18 mircea_popescu how the fuck is this supposed to work, seriously now, "hello sir we can't hear you sorry"
19:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is not a pipe drop! this is freenode going "sorry your pipe dropped"
19:19 mircea_popescu IF it did, then HOW THE FUCK DO I HEAR YOU ?
19:19 mircea_popescu it's not like i patched my software to lie to me, is it.
19:20 asciilifeform i've seen similar lulz, where i actually get a ' asciilifeform has quit (Ping timeout ... ' ~prior~ to actually getting dropped
19:20 asciilifeform the lulzprotocol actually permits this
19:21 asciilifeform ( if you dun 'pong' < t after 'ping'-ed, they drop )
19:21 mircea_popescu yes, it "permits", in the sense that it wasn't designed with a view of the amateur politician's needs in mind, and so their hamhandedness incidentally self-crits.
19:21 asciilifeform but helpfully!111 tell you 1st.
19:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1891016 << yes, very much so.
19:21 a111 Logged on 2019-01-30 23:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890969 << was karatism ultra-popular in '80s ro, like in late sovok ? ( there, was ubiquitous, esp. on acct of being Officially verboten )
19:23 mircea_popescu and to briefly revisit discussion : people who aim to tell a story ~qua story~ rather than qua reality ARE DANGEROUS. very, very fucking dangerous, and ~they know this, too~ (or otherwise, one's hard pressed to explain why they come up with inane "really, the other guy is dangerous, promise" bullshit aka http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ -- especially seeing how that's their amply documented and well
19:23 mircea_popescu known stock in trade "defense".)
19:23 mircea_popescu they ~don't mean to be~ dangerous, of course. they really meant everything to be the tits, really.
19:24 mircea_popescu but, in point of fact, they always end up looking just like dickie bultitude. especially to their long-suffering father, paul.
19:24 asciilifeform what means 'tell story qua story vs qua reality' ?
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19:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a "better man" would have elided http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890678
19:28 a111 Logged on 2019-01-30 03:55 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in child porn, http://images.igavelauctions.com/x/161/Co44972/x38a.jpg
19:28 mircea_popescu "it's just uncalled for".
19:29 mircea_popescu consider also http://trilema.com/2011/leapsa-universala/#comment-47349 discussion, "Trilema este un blog onest in primul rand. Atat de onest incat instraineaza foarte multi din cei care il folosesc. Daca ar fi sa desenam un grafic cu utilizatorii acestui blog am vedea ca ei cresc pana la un moment dat si dupaia zice Popescu ceva (pai cum dreq) si fuge gloata oripilata in toate directiile."
~ 16 minutes ~
19:46 mircea_popescu meanwhile in continuing lulz :
19:46 mircea_popescu Jan 30 18:30:38 <mircea_popescu> and since i mentioned vice-versa again, some #haremleaks : hanbot asked me if i think the only reason anstey made paul a widower was so he didn't have to confront his son fucking his wife during that week.
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19:46 mircea_popescu Jan 30 18:31:07 <mircea_popescu> leaving aside how period couples easily did a week of abstinence, i retorted this was not so, but rather to be true to life : most of the kids in dick's position had no mother
19:46 mircea_popescu Jan 30 18:36:11 <mircea_popescu> because of peripueral fever, which at the time was a 10-20% winnings dice every woman rolled every time she had a kid, it then followed that most kids at one of the boarding schools had no mothers.
19:46 mircea_popescu Jan 30 18:37:15 <mircea_popescu> and, this is the bomb : they were alone, so there could be an empire. because most females mated with powerful males died before reaching the 2nd half of maturity (and especially old age), the female view was ~not represented in society~. dick was alone, not merely personally, but politically, there was no one there to efficiently argue his position.
19:46 mircea_popescu Jan 30 18:37:28 <mircea_popescu> once peripueral fever went away, the british empire ended.
19:46 mircea_popescu Jan 30 18:38:28 <mircea_popescu> to be replaced with "decolonialization" or whatever bullshit. http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-193.0-193.108 has the details.
19:46 mircea_popescu Jan 30 18:40:29 <mircea_popescu> in this view (which, while not the only interpretation that can be painted on the facts nevertheless very much is an interpretation that very well can be painted on the facts), the required reagent for something to happen is for somehow, accidentally or intentionally, female representation to go away.
19:46 mircea_popescu Jan 30 18:40:54 <mircea_popescu> peripueral fever made the british empire possible more than anything else, and the reason there isn't one today are simply put all the happy tourists taking pictures of costa rican wild life.
19:46 mircea_popescu Jan 30 18:41:19 <mircea_popescu> amateurs, as it turns out, are a terrible plague.
19:46 mircea_popescu Jan 30 18:44:15 <mircea_popescu> o look, now it ~didn't disc
19:46 mircea_popescu Jan 30 18:44:15 <mircea_popescu> o look, now it ~didn't disconnect me at all anymore~. just sat there, 10 minutes+, nothing doing. because totally, "the protocol permits", or how did it go ?
19:46 mircea_popescu talking to myself for a good 15 minutes, because something with pingpongs or what was it!
19:48 mircea_popescu anyway, when trump won the first derping of the female state went along the lines of "adults", mind ye, ~adults~ "taking care of him" or somesuch nonsense. this directly maps, period ie 1880s dinner conversation had the dead women been instead present went "why did you machinegun those nice zulus ?" "what the fuck did you want me to do, teach them english, invite them over for tea, meet the missus ?" "<grin>"
19:49 asciilifeform !#s answer in the sewers
19:49 a111 18 results for "answer in the sewers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=answer%20in%20the%20sewers
19:50 mircea_popescu turns out it's not -- poor women however old were never represented much anyway.
19:50 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> oh hey BingoBoingo finally dined on ultra-short pig ? << Well, relatively cheap protein
19:50 mircea_popescu but paul didn't know, when it came right down to it, how to say "woman, shut up". and well...
19:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is a++ 9dan master of 'don't clean the air filter' hypotheses
19:53 mircea_popescu huh ?
19:53 asciilifeform ( for folx who didn't go to mircea_popescu's c3 -- he described a sovok-era auto where cleaning the air filter would reliably kill the engine )
19:53 mircea_popescu a a.
19:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall, we were walking near 'clit bridge' in buenosaires
20:01 mircea_popescu aha.
~ 21 minutes ~
20:22 mircea_popescu re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891038 consider also ready example, http://btcbase.org/log/2012-08-15#-319562 and all that ready hate. why precisely ? because storytelling qua reality not qua story!!! IS PSYCHOPATH!!!
20:22 a111 Logged on 2019-01-31 00:24 asciilifeform: what means 'tell story qua story vs qua reality' ?
20:22 a111 Logged on 2012-08-15 16:09 gigavps: mpoe-pr is a sock puppet account for Mr. Popescu
20:22 mircea_popescu totally, that's the definition of psychopathy, NOT being fucking insane.
20:31 mircea_popescu meanwhile in vaguerly related http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685663 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889847 , there's of course http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/#selection-479.150-479.424
20:31 a111 Logged on 2017-07-17 22:17 mircea_popescu: how's "the toomim brothers" doing these days ?
20:31 a111 Logged on 2019-01-25 16:55 asciilifeform: tru. who, incidentally, is the current gavin? i admit, lost track, dun follow subj actively
20:31 mircea_popescu anyone recall "phil daian" ? the kid that was going places ?
20:33 BingoBoingo This guy? http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
20:33 mircea_popescu aha.
20:33 mircea_popescu or if you prefer https://www.coindesk.com/sharding-already-ushering-radical-new-ethereum-designs/ << this guy.
20:34 mircea_popescu one of these days they're gonna figure how to mount a touchscreen on this ethereum business, and then they'll be cookin' with gas!
20:34 mircea_popescu "I'm very proud to say that my audits currently are the primary or only review on over 1B USD of cryptoassets. I also enjoy amateur lampworking!" keks.
20:36 mircea_popescu anyway, was 1st year phd back in 2016 when https://www.cs.cornell.edu/information/news/newsitem2191/forbes-quotes-first-year-phd-student-phil-daian-dao-hack
20:36 mircea_popescu meanwhile, entering 4th year, and well... all those glorious prospects the mutual cockscuking parade seemed to offer from a distance turned into so much ramen.
~ 17 minutes ~
20:54 asciilifeform iirc buterin still inbiz
20:54 asciilifeform (possibly the only gavin still going from that period?)
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20:55 mircea_popescu the above also still herping. while dry noodle supplies last.
20:57 asciilifeform for that matter, somebody's still perpetrating (i hesitate to describe as 'maintain') prb
20:57 mod6 oh yeah, forgot about the airfilter cleaning convo.
20:58 mod6 how's it goin' tonight?
20:58 asciilifeform mod6: i found it extremely memorable
20:59 mod6 more than the girl strapped to the cross, or the other one in the cage? :D
20:59 asciilifeform moar
20:59 asciilifeform those were a snore, had clothes on!
20:59 mod6 lol. that girl in the cage was n00d iirc!
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21:00 asciilifeform mod6: that place reminded me moar than anyffin, of a crowded subway train
21:00 * mod6 is in a good mood today.
21:00 asciilifeform ( with the diff that the train has ~moar~ gurlflesh visible on typical day )
21:00 mod6 oh f yeah, christ it was hot in there.
21:02 mod6 I've got some irons in the fire right now, but it feels good being productive on this TBF stuff.
21:03 mod6 I'm even spending a few spare cycles on FFA chapter 1.
21:03 asciilifeform neato
21:04 mod6 Nothing distracting, just going at it slow and steady.
21:04 asciilifeform 1-4 are imho pretty easy
21:04 asciilifeform 6-8 ditto
21:05 mod6 Yeah, I kinda went through 1-4 quickly in the past. But now I wanna do the homework too.
21:05 asciilifeform imho none of'em oughta take herculean effort to eat
21:06 asciilifeform ch10 i expect typical reader will want cup of coffee; 14 - 2 cups.
21:06 mod6 Naw, but I wanna draw out the full-adder and things such as that. I want a very, very strong foundation so when I get into the later chapters, it's all in the front of my mind so I'm not getting lost.
21:06 mod6 Goal is to go through it all and sign.
21:06 asciilifeform mod6: you'll defo want a chalkboard or at least a pad of foolscap
21:07 mod6 *nod* I've got that part sorted, just gotta allocate a bit here and there. Hardest part is just starting.
21:07 asciilifeform there is deliberately 0 'serious' maffs in the series.
21:08 mod6 Well, as it should be, really.
21:08 asciilifeform ( 16b, currently on asciilifeform's desk, inescapably has some basic number theory, but this is not avoidable, and it is self-contained intro )
21:08 mod6 Can I ask a favor of you? You got any room on your conveyor for February?
21:08 asciilifeform depends for what
21:09 asciilifeform what do you have in mind mod6 ?
21:09 mod6 I need Lordship review of my Keccak Vpatches.
21:09 mod6 (for TRB)
21:09 asciilifeform absolutely will review, and sign
21:09 asciilifeform ( esp. given that i orig wrote most of'em )
21:10 asciilifeform it's a straight regrind, neh ?
21:10 asciilifeform a la http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2743
21:10 mod6 That would be awesome, I'd love to at least get as many lords to sign off as possible. I know it's a big ask for all though. There's a lot there.
21:10 mod6 Yeah, the regrind is straight forward, save the part where I axed out the UTF-8 char out of the genesis.
21:11 asciilifeform i'ma run the diff and errything that lines up with what i signed prev, will sign again
21:12 mod6 No rush, I appreciate it. I've got some more work ahead of me (to be outlined in tomorrow's STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS) before I pick a cut-over date for the website, but having Lordshipt blessing is a big step in the right direction.
21:13 mod6 I'm currently building out a Cuntoo (have had a minor issue with my kernel not booting correctly, but will work on that soon), and will use that + ave1's musl to build the keccak v tooling, and then TRB. Which will also go into the upcoming changes to the HOWTO Guide.
21:13 asciilifeform mod6: the 1 obv change with cuntoo is that it dun need 'rotor' build process at all
21:13 asciilifeform given as it comes already with sane gcc and musl
21:14 asciilifeform theoretically should produce ~same~ binary as the rotor build.
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21:14 asciilifeform ( cuntoo per se, if you recall, is apprx a generalization of 'rotor' )
21:14 mod6 Ah ah.
21:14 asciilifeform i dun recall whether trinque specifically tested this, but as i understand it oughta work precisely like-so.
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21:14 mod6 Ok, well, I'll cross that bridge when I've got a cuntoo, and then I'll start to re-think the entire build proces for all who have cuntoo.
21:15 asciilifeform under cuntoo it oughta (again in theory) suffice to run the makefile
21:15 asciilifeform ( would have to make sure that the trb deps are baked into cuntoo , naturally -- the stock bdb oughta be the 1 in trb, etc )
21:16 mod6 aha. cooool.
21:16 asciilifeform the orig 'rotor' thing was prompted by heathen gentoo having random crapolade instead of a sane compiler, libc, etc
21:16 mod6 sure. alright, I'll reach out for info/advise/help on that when I get there.
21:17 asciilifeform might recall asciilifeform's attempt http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1217516
21:17 a111 Logged on 2015-07-30 04:08 asciilifeform: but ~i personally~ will from now on support ~only~ rotor. and soon after, only rotolinux (buildroot for arbitrary arch that includes therealbitcoin and its deps, and toolchain to reconstruct self and the latter.)
21:17 asciilifeform where i got 'rotor' to build a bootable linux, with bare bones envir
21:17 asciilifeform but i never got as far as to get gentoo portage etc. working on it
21:17 mod6 aha, for sure.
21:18 asciilifeform item was dead end, but trinque baked the proper incarnation of item
21:19 mod6 *thumbsup*
21:19 mod6 Alright, I'm gonna get back to working on this SoBA. Good talk.
21:19 asciilifeform 'night mod6
21:19 * asciilifeform will bbl,meat
21:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891093 << he remembers that night somewhat oddly! i suspect imbibement.
21:31 a111 Logged on 2019-01-31 01:59 mod6: lol. that girl in the cage was n00d iirc!
21:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891130 << this might even be worth a check.
21:34 a111 Logged on 2019-01-31 02:14 asciilifeform: theoretically should produce ~same~ binary as the rotor build.
21:40 mircea_popescu re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890978 what inescapably comes to mind is, of course, http://trilema.com/2014/the-old-woman-and-the-well/
21:40 a111 Logged on 2019-01-30 20:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890962 << hey how does one say 'взять на слабо' in ro ? ( trad. method of 1 boy getting another to do something foolish, 'hey betcha yer too weak to X!' )
21:51 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/01/31/reading-two-english-language-publications-on-uruguay/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Reading Two English Language Publications On Uruguay
~ 49 minutes ~
22:41 mircea_popescu "If you need to ask, you probably shouldn't go," he winced. "It is a source of pride among Uruguayans that their country lacks any world-class attractions. No Iguaçu Falls. No Patagonia. No Andes. But there is something wonderfully old-fashioned about Uruguay, and so beautifully uncomplicated."
22:41 mircea_popescu holy shit sherlock. i was there for a few days (colonia), it pissed me off to high heavens. yeah there's strictly nothing to do.
22:47 mircea_popescu meanwhile in teh fetlulz files, Bikini-Kelly 25F Fetishist "You look like a guy I'd see on the 10 o'clock news who got caught looking at little kids at the playground. You're gross lol. Sorry not sorry."
22:49 mircea_popescu "the news", amirite. we talk about how "reducing inequality" and other socialist tropes mask the utter destruction of personal wealth and quality of living in the past century, in ready contrasts of "compare your granpa's farm with your cubical, dork". yet... how about the intellectual contrast ?
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22:49 mircea_popescu somehow 15yo girly a century ago didn't engage in this exercise in ludicrous idiocy whereby she'd importantly sprout off "you look just like the guy the old women told me to stay away from" right before running off [to be with herself in a corner somewhere].
22:50 mircea_popescu principally because the 17yo'd have laughed her off the planet, it's true. but still.
22:50 mircea_popescu this here is TWENTY FIVE. old enough to be dead already. and yet...
22:57 BingoBoingo Not enough baby fever or babies or fever
22:58 mircea_popescu or anything else.
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23:14 BingoBoingo Cooment replied
23:15 * BingoBoingo assumes que would have been longer if not for app driven motorcycle deliveries
23:17 BingoBoingo But yes, our cyperpunk future it turns out gets a 1920's retro aesthetic
23:18 BingoBoingo Monday there was boxing in "Estadio de la Arena" on my beach to mostly empty bleacher, which is about as close as things come to happening here
23:20 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891160 << i suspect 'grandpa's coal mine'
23:20 a111 Logged on 2019-01-31 03:49 mircea_popescu: "the news", amirite. we talk about how "reducing inequality" and other socialist tropes mask the utter destruction of personal wealth and quality of living in the past century, in ready contrasts of "compare your granpa's farm with your cubical, dork". yet... how about the intellectual contrast ?
23:25 mircea_popescu tis a sad state of affiars.
23:26 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know your comment box looks well crashed here.
23:26 mircea_popescu weird lines happening through text and things.
23:28 BingoBoingo I'll give it a look and try to straighten it out.
23:39 mircea_popescu meanwhile in random keks, https://vdare.com/public_upload/publication/featured_image/47680/addtext_com_MTcyNTAyMjYxOTM.jpg
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