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00:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00085401 = 12.0415 BTC [-]
00:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59397969 = 1.7819 BTC [+] {2}
00:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]
00:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-]
00:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-]
00:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.117 BTC [-]
00:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2920 @ 0.0002 = 0.584 BTC [+] {2}
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01:09	KRS-One	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTBbAMGenn0
01:09	ozbot	DJ Khaled - Born N Raised - YouTube
01:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.59 = 5.31 BTC [-]
01:09	KRS-One	Gotta represent fo my city
01:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20279 @ 0.00085422 = 17.3227 BTC [+] {2}
01:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5939797 = 4.1579 BTC [+]
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01:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [-]
01:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 3000 @ 0.0055 = 16.5 BTC
01:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1650 @ 0.0002 = 0.33 BTC [+]
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01:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.00085452 = 0.6409 BTC [+]
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02:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28797 @ 0.00085491 = 24.6188 BTC [+] {2}
02:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2002 @ 0.00020084 = 0.4021 BTC [+] {3}
02:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3703 @ 0.00085776 = 3.1763 BTC [+]
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02:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 154 @ 0.00594281 = 0.9152 BTC [+] {8}
02:47	kakobrekla	hi
02:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+]
02:53	theo	hey
02:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 532 @ 0.00021 = 0.1117 BTC [+]
02:59	KRS-One	sup
02:59	KRS-One	.bait
02:59	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5t7moCjZl1ruqfv1o1_500.jpg
03:00	KRS-One	wtf hips , probable dumpy ass.
03:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.04999999 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}
03:10	KRS-One	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjCDeXXvTTc
03:10	ozbot	Sublime - KRS One - YouTube
03:12	kakobrekla	not much, another day another bitcoin
03:21	kakobrekla	here, a song for you KRS-One https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IROWHnoch9Q
03:21	KRS-One	ok
03:22	KRS-One	finishing prodigy-smack my bitch up atm 2 min left
03:22	KRS-One	prolly have to smoke a cig after this
03:22	KRS-One	hey kakobrekla u a sysadmin right
03:22	KRS-One	kinda
03:22	kakobrekla	i do nothing and everything
03:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00021003 = 0.8401 BTC [-] {4}
03:25	KRS-One	so like my nephew has huge email list he wants to use as email addresses for submitting forms to some websites-he says i would need thousands of ip addresses and spoofed browser info so the servers dont get filtered/banned, wants it to look legit. he says we just gotta repopulate the email address and automate the click process..
03:26	KRS-One	i say theres much more to it than that, was going to suggest a threaded C program..but im not sure we would need so many ip addresses instead of a well known email host
03:26	KRS-One	maybe throttle the submissions a bit..idk.. any input
03:27	kakobrekla	yeah, go find something more legitimate to do
03:27	KRS-One	yeh its some grayhat bs
03:27	KRS-One	it actually is legit, he does internet marketing
03:27	KRS-One	problem is it wouldnt look legit to admins
03:28	KRS-One	thx anyway
03:28	KRS-One	underground cock?
03:28	KRS-One	.bait
03:28	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m87317ZOey1qd80g3o1_400.jpg
03:28	KRS-One	I have a pretty open mind when it comes to music, but wtf is this some borat shit?
03:29	KRS-One	Bulgaria
03:29	kakobrekla	nah
03:29	KRS-One	very instrumental
03:29	kakobrekla	its not bulgaria
03:29	KRS-One	no?
03:30	KRS-One	kind of reminds me of the hardcore Cuban music I get exposed to here..they're very instrumental, trumpets, drums, etc.
03:31	KRS-One	what would this be considered? Popular music? Even for younger folks?
03:31	kakobrekla	its a sountrack for a movie
03:31	KRS-One	oh ya i could see that
03:32	KRS-One	u listen to this?
03:32	kakobrekla	no, younger folks listen to shit you paste
03:32	kakobrekla	i do!
03:32	KRS-One	I listened to it, thanks. Its very different for me.
03:33	kakobrekla	:)
03:33	KRS-One	Feel free to send another one some time thats a bit different
03:34	KRS-One	Vexual sure has a wide range of tastes. I like checking out his links.
03:34	KRS-One	bbiaf smoke break
03:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00085452 = 10.9379 BTC [-]
03:41	kakobrekla	something different? here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAWW-jTcxa8
03:44	kakobrekla	hows that?
03:46	KRS-One	just clicked on it
03:46	KRS-One	heh wtf
03:47	kakobrekla	ok maybe this one from the same band, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB_c4uni6Xg
03:49	KRS-One	sure is...different..these guys are real artists.
03:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5826 BTC [-]
03:52	theo	or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDSUu38rMmw
03:52	theo	The king maynard knows how to write music and damn he knows how to sing
03:52	KRS-One	Aw yeah theo
03:53	KRS-One	APC one of my fav's
03:53	KRS-One	Haven't listened to them in a while.
03:53	theo	KRS-one: they really are, i am amazed they haven't gained the famity of Tool as of yet. But time will tell. Got to see them live last year best experience ever
03:54	KRS-One	Very percussion like Tool. Both bands are tops with me.
03:54	kakobrekla	anywho, the point is, the utility of music yt links is so low on -assets i discourage them, strongly.
03:54	theo	Well maynard is in both and writes for both of them lol.
03:54	theo	Have you heard his 3rd side project?
03:54	KRS-One	sorry bout that kakobrekla
03:54	KRS-One	theo...no?
03:55	KRS-One	kakobrekla: maybe not so bad when theres nothing going on?
03:55	theo	wow. I will link you them. They take my breath away
03:55	KRS-One	oh cool plz do
03:55	theo	Is that ok kakobrekla? If i link a YT video?
03:57	theo	KRS-one: these guys are tool and APC combinded into a much better version me thinks my fav song is this one here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR3ccmWmLhk (its the anthem to my life or how i want to live) and this one is is just more calm and flowing but still amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0YxeTjFn70. (since k hasent answered il take the risk and link lol)
03:57	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
03:57	kakobrekla	now you made assbot upset.
03:57	theo	ahhhhhh not the @ss
03:57	KRS-One	navigating..
03:58	KRS-One	Oh I've heard of pucifer
03:58	KRS-One	dig that bass guitar
03:58	theo	yeah maynard is the writer for tool APC and puscifer. Plus he also did some green jelly back in the 70's
03:59	theo	yeh and the deep voice.
03:59	kakobrekla	just think about people reading the logs when you type spam in this window thank you
03:59	KRS-One	ok kakobrekla
04:00	theo	no problems :). Mind you i read the logs sometimes and there is a lot of spam always lol.
04:00	kakobrekla	keep up the good work!
04:00	KRS-One	This is good stuff..adding to my collection.
04:00	KRS-One	Thanks a lot theo
04:00	theo	KRS-one: your welcome brother i can link you on to many other similar bands that are small time or for some reason no one knows :)
04:00	theo	let me know what you think of the humbling
04:00	KRS-One	funny, i used to get exposed to different music when i'd download mp3's from livewire and what not when i would check out other music peopl ehad
04:01	KRS-One	thats what im listening to now
04:01	KRS-One	theo: me and Vexual trade links from time to time and b.s.
04:02	KRS-One	the humbling seems pretty powerful
04:02	KRS-One	i love it
04:02	theo	yeh same here the only way i now get exposed to new music is through my DJ friends and a recording label i hang at. Otherwise it would take so long to go through everything.
04:02	theo	Yeah the build up and just the lyrics "the hands of the many must join as one. and Together we will cross the river"
04:03	KRS-One	i go on undernet #mp3passion to download mp3's sometimes i watch the traffic go by and check out different stuff..kinda works for me.
04:03	KRS-One	Momma sed much better, maybe its my current mood
04:03	KRS-One	ya the build up
04:03	theo	if you ever want up and coming Australian bands i have to many of them. lol. Yeah momma sed to me is how i think all men should act. just a good set of lyrics
04:04	KRS-One	good stuff dude
04:04	theo	il send 1 other link and see what you think very different music again
04:04	kakobrekla	get a room you two
04:04	theo	will you come?
04:04	theo	http://bossmoxi.bandcamp.com/
04:04	ozbot	Boss Moxi
04:05	theo	this is my favorite band at the moment (though i am bias as its one of my best friends band)
04:05	theo	k no more spam thanks for tollerating it kakobrekla
04:06	KRS-One	ok see ya kakobrekla
04:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.07202942 = 1.2245 BTC [-] {3}
04:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00085566 = 12.022 BTC [+]
04:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00085452 = 20.6367 BTC [-]
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04:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2342 @ 0.00021002 = 0.4919 BTC [-] {3}
04:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7000 @ 0.00021 = 1.47 BTC [-]
04:37	Namworld	Can someone explain me why CasinoBitcoin is trading at 27 years of profits?
04:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.00085617 = 27.954 BTC [+]
04:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8243 @ 0.00085624 = 7.058 BTC [+] {2}
04:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00085452 = 20.6794 BTC [-]
04:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1627 @ 0.00085344 = 1.3885 BTC [-]
05:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0734 = 0.2202 BTC [+]
05:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
05:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4993 @ 0.00085642 = 4.2761 BTC [+]
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05:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9962 @ 0.00085998 = 8.5671 BTC [+] {2}
05:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6705 @ 0.0008568 = 5.7448 BTC [-]
05:28	theo	So MPEX can it actually be trusted?
05:29	Namworld	Why wouldn't it be trustable?
05:30	Namworld	It's the one with the longest history.
05:30	theo	Well the owner of the exchange is very adament that he will never be found and you can do what you like to try and track it
05:30	theo	I do realise it has a long history. But so have some of the biggest ponzi schemes
05:31	Namworld	That he will never be found? Where the heck have you read that?
05:31	kakobrekla	lulz
05:31	Namworld	He's quite public and vocal about what he does.
05:32	kakobrekla	theo me and a couple of other on this chan found him last year!
05:32	theo	really
05:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55572305 BTC [-]
05:32	kakobrekla	mhm
05:32	theo	ok. I just read on a few reddit topics and other things
05:33	Namworld	I would certainly like a link for a laugh.
05:33	kakobrekla	yes, reddit, the finance cream of the crop
05:34	Namworld	Whatever those reddits thread said, I'm sure they were innacurate.
05:35	theo	I agree hence why i was asking here to see others opinions.
05:35	Namworld	The owner can be pretty provocative/be vocal with unpopular opinions.
05:35	Namworld	It gets a lot of people quite pissed about him.
05:35	theo	But at the end of the day he is pretty straight up about business?
05:35	Namworld	But as far as business goes, it's been solid.
05:36	Namworld	Longest lasting exchange. No screw ups. Pretty secure wallet too.
05:36	theo	Alright thank's i have been looking at it as an option to trade on, just hesitent as 25 BTC is not so smaller investment nowdays
05:37	Namworld	It was more fun when SatoshiDice traded on there. I have an account, that I don't use that much anymore, sadly.
05:37	Namworld	SatoshiDice is now quite dead however. And not listed anywhere anyway.
05:38	kakobrekla	theo, coinbr
05:38	theo	coinbr is that the company that lets you trade on them through them as a proxie? and only charges a fee
05:38	kakobrekla	yea jurov runs that
05:39	Namworld	Yes, you should sign up on coinbr if you don't want to put 25 BTC
05:39	Namworld	Both coinbr and mpex are in a good legal jurisdiction for that short of things.
05:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32467 @ 0.00086138 = 27.9664 BTC [+] {2}
05:44	moiety	isn't it 30btc?
05:47	kakobrekla	25 for those who can read
05:50	moiety	why didn't he say himself when they were discussing it being 30 then
05:51	Namworld	25 for those with a MPEx referral
05:51	kakobrekla	yes its 30, but if you posses the skill of reading level 7 or higher, its 25
05:52	moiety	oh lol i thought you were just meaning i'd read it wrong kakobrekla! XD lol
05:54	kakobrekla	Namworld but referral numbers are lying around
05:55	kakobrekla	so reading comprehension is what its needed
05:55	random_cat	you think jurov has one? :D
05:55	kakobrekla	or maybe people who listed things on mpex
05:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00020501 = 0.82 BTC [-] {5}
05:57	FabianB	and lots of ppl hanging around here
05:58	kakobrekla	what im saying you dont even have to leave mpex page to get one
05:58	Namworld	I have one. First result on google for MPEx referral.
05:58	Namworld	You have to search for it a bit however.
06:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1195 BTC [+]
06:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29782 @ 0.00086248 = 25.6864 BTC [+] {2}
06:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
06:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.00307539 = 0.2184 BTC [+] {3}
06:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2238 @ 0.00020501 = 0.4588 BTC [-] {2}
06:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3045 @ 0.000205 = 0.6242 BTC [-]
06:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00086243 = 31.0475 BTC [-] {3}
06:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073987 = 0.148 BTC [+]
06:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}
06:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.0054002 = 0.3726 BTC [-] {4}
06:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.59702253 = 27.463 BTC [+] {15}
06:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3717 @ 0.00019011 = 0.7066 BTC [-] {5}
06:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00086294 = 13.807 BTC [+]
06:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0743995 = 0.4464 BTC [+]
06:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0744 = 0.2232 BTC [+]
06:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 900 @ 0.00082525 = 0.7427 BTC [-] {11}
06:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.19376446 = 5.8129 BTC [+]
06:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00086349 = 3.713 BTC [+] {2}
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07:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00565838 = 0.5658 BTC [+] {6}
07:20	jurov	hi all
07:21	jurov	and it's simple. if you register without referral, 0.2% goes to me
07:21	jurov	to coinbr
07:23	jurov	and having the invitation code is not compulsory, that was only for a month or so
07:26	jurov	random_cat, theo : one referral number to MPEx is there in plain sight: http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/13/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual
07:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
07:29	theo	yeh i have already seen that site with the referall and manuals. Tis what got me more interested in MPEX Though i am not sure that they really offer anything i would invest into other then the derivatives scheme they offer as a baseline
07:30	jurov	well, for example both S.NSA and S.MG are making solid progress and are expected to ship imminently
07:31	jurov	but i don't know, what you want exactly?
07:31	theo	The only thing is that the profits from the website itself would have to be more then the 25 BTC i Invest and the additional funds i would invest after the origional down payment
07:31	jurov	during what timespan?
07:32	theo	Well currently i am quiet happy with havelock the only thing is that they don't have a large selection to choose from, well at least a large selection i believe could do well as buisness
07:32	theo	in the end i am a mid-long term investment. Dont usually have time for short term trading as i have a family
07:33	jurov	if you are sure havelock will be there mid-long term...then stay there
07:34	theo	What are your thought's? do you think they will?
07:34	jurov	imo they are going to end up like glbse/bf/btct, if a bit slower
07:35	theo	alright
07:35	theo	why is that?
07:35	theo	they have SFI which to me was a big thumbs up in my mind a IPO that raised 2 million
07:35	jurov	it's clear at least once cavirtex did what they did
07:35	theo	and that has 3 companies being mentioned in mass media
07:36	kakobrekla	because investing is all about mass media!
07:37	jurov	and name me some stocks there that have detailed monthly reports and clear signed agreements like mpex carries
07:37	theo	herpa derp, no it has little to do with mass media... But what i was implying is that if a incubator company that has 3 of there companies being mentioned in media a) it will do well. and b) in my mind it makes me think that there may be some more creedence to the website
07:38	theo	Honestly i can't hence why i am asking for advice and your opinions about such things
07:39	jurov	did you invest into doge, then? it has mass media powers
07:39	theo	CBTC seem pretty up front providing reports bi-monthly
07:39	theo	no i never did
07:39	theo	and never would thats a different type of investing
07:39	jurov	yes, that's one.
07:40	theo	there are only 3 companies i invest in there
07:40	theo	and the only 3 i have are the ones that seem to be transperent and have good communication.
07:40	theo	CBTC, RENT and SFI
07:40	kakobrekla	CBTC does monthly statements?
07:40	kakobrekla	that might explain "CasinoBitcoin is trading at 27 years of profits"
07:41	kakobrekla	lol
07:41	theo	bi-monthly they update the google doc
07:41	theo	https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2SWZWkGJ1V3UEo0Q0lESk5nd0k&usp=sharing the google doc they have. Updated twice a month
07:41	ozbot	CasinoBitco.in - Public
07:43	theo	https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reports.php updated each month by there company
07:44	theo	So right now it seems more like your making fun of my questions and what i think then providing any reasoning other then MPEX has been there ages and you should use my company to trade on it for my profit. Seriously great IRC.
07:44	jurov	theo can you pinpoint where i'm mocking you?
07:44	theo	<jurov> did you invest into doge, then? it has mass media powers\
07:45	theo	that to me is a jab at me, and many would take it as such
07:45	jurov	it was my honest opinion, you asked for
07:45	theo	I didn't ask about mass media or about dodge.
07:46	jurov	...
07:46	theo	I asked about your opinion on mpex and havelock.
07:47	jurov	and you reasoned by mass media coverage
07:47	jurov	i took that almost as joke
07:47	jurov	and replied accordingly
07:48	theo	I didn't use that as any reasoning idiot read back
07:48	theo	I used the IPO of SFI as reasoning and side noted that there companies had recieved mass media.
07:48	theo	That is not reasoning. it was a side note
07:49	jurov	so it's your side noted against my "jabs" then
07:50	theo	Yawn. I came on here looking for good info and maybe a nice convo, all your providing is arguments and yes you did make a "jab" Now we are arguing semantics for no reason. I asked your's / anyone elses advice on havelock and MPEX and all i got was a hey you should use my company as thats a hefty fee
07:51	theo	now your being a real dick so putting a great vibe out for your company thanks for making sure i tell everyone never to use yours :)
07:51	jurov	no need to hyperventilate
07:52	kakobrekla	lol
07:52	theo	how does one hyperventilate on the internet?
07:53	kakobrekla	we are not here to convince you into anything
07:53	theo	I didn't say you were, i just thought people would actually be nice and maybe give advice instead of being dicks
07:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 718 @ 0.00086193 = 0.6189 BTC [-]
07:53	kakobrekla	o look its herby
07:54	kakobrekla	no free advice when it comes to money
07:54	theo	Actually there is a lot, no good advice is free usually
07:54	jurov	what kind of advice did you want? i say, mass media is irrelevant when coming to btc investment, you call me idiot
07:55	jurov	just because i said it in funny way
07:56	theo	Really it is irreleveant? how about go look at the company who made BTCtrader performed on the stock market the day they announced there beta ended? or how about the casino company who announced they were making a exchange? both stocks went up by 5-10% in a single day thats called mass media arround BTC affecting the world
07:56	theo	And furthering that Mass media is what has driven bitcoin to the point it is. If reddit hadn't started accepting it when they did i betchya we would not be at this point yet
07:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00086125 = 10.2489 BTC [-]
07:56	jurov	but you said you're in for medium to long term.. or was it a side nmote,, too?
07:57	theo	semantics again.
07:57	herbijudlestoids	hullo kakobrekla
07:57	herbijudlestoids	hullo jurov
07:57	herbijudlestoids	theo: what advice did you want from these dicks
07:58	theo	I was asking about havelock and MPEX. Why jurov though that havelock would go down like so many of the other security exchanges
07:58	herbijudlestoids	theo: i think the general perception around here is they are in it for the hype, ergo its unsustainable
07:58	theo	Ok so not actually to do with legal reasons etc?
07:58	jurov	because havelock does not uphold any standards and it's up to issuers. i can't say that clearer
07:59	herbijudlestoids	they list "businesses", MPex prides itself on only listing what it deems to actually have a business model
07:59	theo	jurov i think thats a bit backwards as they do have standards. Otherwise they would have a fuck load more IPO as they reject a lot as well.
07:59	theo	They just might not have good standards
08:00	theo	Ok thank you herbu
08:00	theo	herbi*
08:00	taub	ahaha i didn't even look into dogecoin closely until now
08:00	taub	but it's such a scam wow
08:00	taub	meme driven pump and dump
08:00	taub	only use is mine and sell ?
08:01	taub	unlimited cions
08:01	herbijudlestoids	theo: there have been some good examples shown iirc, you can trawl the logs if you wish
08:01	theo	will do
08:02	theo	whats your opinion herbi? are you also of the opinion that havelock will crumble and fall? The only reason i have some faith in havelock is there investment of SFI which was able to raise 2 million
08:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00300242 = 0.3333 BTC [-] {4}
08:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0745 = 0.298 BTC [+]
08:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.075 = 0.45 BTC [+]
08:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00086125 = 20.5839 BTC [-]
08:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [+]
08:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+]
08:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14982 @ 0.00086125 = 12.9032 BTC [-]
08:13	herbijudlestoids	theo: no specific opinion, tho if i wanted to build an exchange it would look more like mpex and less like havelock
08:14	theo	Alright thank's :). If i wanted to build a exchange i think i would touch up on it from MPEX or at least the front end lol. And also his personal skills
08:16	herbijudlestoids	thats because you think like a very small fish
08:16	herbijudlestoids	MPEX is conceptually equivalent to a large scale exchange on the order of NYSE or CME
08:17	herbijudlestoids	the frontend is irrelevent to the end user and in those cases is absolutely not exposed
08:17	herbijudlestoids	users of the system interact with the exchange through brokerage
08:17	theo	agreed
08:17	herbijudlestoids	so? the frontend has really nothing to do with it, nor his personal skills
08:18	herbijudlestoids	hell give you a seat on the exchange for 30BTC
08:21	theo	Well i think you do miss some idea. The majority of stocks sold on the exchanges like Dow Jones or Nasdaq are used through brokerages because the majority of people do not have the technical know how on how to use a system or have the time to learn how its used. So if I were making a exchange i would do an idea of both providing one like his, with the ability to be your own brokerage and hence if people wanted charge a additio
08:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1200 @ 0.00021997 = 0.264 BTC [+]
08:21	theo	though thats just me
08:25	herbijudlestoids	theo: i dont miss any idea. not everyone needs a seat on the exchange. you do not understand the concept of an exchange.
08:25	herbijudlestoids	brb
08:25	jurov	theo your text was too long, got cut on "wanted charge a additio"
08:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.0735 = 1.8375 BTC [-]
08:26	herbijudlestoids	back
08:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.07319999 = 0.366 BTC [-] {4}
08:26	jurov	herbijudlestoids: you understood what theo has in mind?
08:27	herbijudlestoids	jurov: i dont think he has fully thought it through, he just sees some smalltime webservice which lets poncy little stocks that go nowhere list
08:28	jurov	butbutbut.. it's covered by media!!! *sigh*
08:30	herbijudlestoids	theo: what i suggest is if you think the existing thing has deficiencies that you can overcome, make your own thing and people will flock to it
08:30	herbijudlestoids	youll be rich in no time
08:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.598 BTC [-]
08:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.60349997 = 10.863 BTC [+] {4}
08:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
08:41	theo	Well to be honest i don't think he has done amazingly well what with the securities options someone in a post said that he had to pay out pretty much his whole years profits as people bet on the rising price and he had to pay / she
08:41	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
08:42	theo	But right now i am not sure as i am still researching
08:45	jurov	http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-april-2013-statement/ theo you mean this?
08:45	ozbot	MPOE, April 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:45	herbijudlestoids	theo: now i get why mircea_popescu is so short...because people are so fucken dumb
08:45	jurov	http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/ no it was this
08:46	herbijudlestoids	you just read some shit, you really have no clue and form your opinions based on dumb shit
08:46	ozbot	MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:47	theo	No herbi maybe i am trying to make a informed opinion on these exchanges based on limited information.
08:47	davout	ohai
08:47	jurov	theo then ask for information, not for opinions. there *is* info.
08:47	theo	I don't have an opinion as of yet and am asking questions from those who seem to be knowledgeable
08:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
08:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12 = 0.48 BTC [+]
08:50	theo	thank you for the links jurov
08:50	theo	that was what i was refering to and that provided a much more indepth view into what was mentioned on a forum
08:52	herbijudlestoids	theo: lol so basically you required to be spoonfed info which is available on mpex directly
08:53	jurov	tbh, it's not easy to discover, i used http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ too
08:53	jurov	on the other hand, i do link btcalpha from the manual
08:54	herbijudlestoids	jurov: err, goto mpex.co, click on S.MPOE, top of the page is "Monthly statements available here"
08:56	jurov	oh my i forgot.. call ne noob :)
08:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4500 @ 0.00021997 = 0.9899 BTC [+] {5}
09:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
09:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00086105 = 29.1035 BTC [-] {2}
09:06	ThickAsThieves	mornin gents
09:07	mircea_popescu	heya
09:07	mircea_popescu	KRS-One dude, seriously ? spamming ? nephew ?
09:07	herbijudlestoids	teehee
09:08	herbijudlestoids	i am mining teh altcoin
09:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00086385 = 23.5831 BTC [+] {2}
09:08	mircea_popescu	lol
09:08	mircea_popescu	you getting any blox ?
09:08	herbijudlestoids	im on the coinminer.net pool...just detected a new block a few mins ago
09:09	mircea_popescu	theo are you like retarded ? about a dozen people in this room found me just fine wtf.
09:09	mircea_popescu	ow crap, now i'm talking to ignored people off the chatlog.
09:10	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids real men solomine!
09:10	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i had a small mining rig, 1.6GH/s but one day my USB hub died and difficulty was going up so i never bothered to restore the setup...tonight i thought i would plug it back in for ATC
09:10	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: well since there is no source for ATC out, its hard for me to use my little ASICs to do anything except with cgminer
09:11	herbijudlestoids	new block
09:11	mircea_popescu	yeah actually, the happenstance of btc and the particular usb implementation some miner manufacturers happened to use really exposed a lot of crap the usb manufacturers were hiding under the rug for years
09:11	ThickAsThieves	<herbijudlestoids> mircea_popescu: well since there is no source for ATC out -- source is in the thread
09:11	ThickAsThieves	i'll post link to main website today
09:11	mircea_popescu	it's one of those age old stories in industry "ah, who's ever gonna know" then 2 years later... bam someone burntests your shit on a large scale
09:11	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: ah ok, how much work do i need to do to get these lil buggers to mine on it?
09:11	ThickAsThieves	https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin
09:11	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids think of it this way : all the work you do is training.
09:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1318 @ 0.00086067 = 1.1344 BTC [-]
09:12	ThickAsThieves	can we tell people, don't play on testnet, play on Altcoin!
09:13	ThickAsThieves	herb i dunno how diff to set up mining, the source isn't much different other than some logos and stuff changed
09:13	mircea_popescu	kinda expensive by now for many tastes.
09:13	herbijudlestoids	ah ok, solo mining is not hard it seems, i just point cgminer to the altcoind
09:13	herbijudlestoids	i will have to recompile altcoind from source since i dont have 64bit installed on this laptop
09:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 895 @ 0.00300009 = 2.6851 BTC [-] {11}
09:14	herbijudlestoids	i should just get the lil rig back up and running
09:14	mircea_popescu	moiety the idea is in http://mpex.co/faq.html#13 and i didn't say anything because what am i to do, keep pasting the faq ?
09:15	mircea_popescu	but inasmuch as both you and your referrer get 5 btc, it could be argued the new account only costs 20 with a referrer. anyway.
09:15	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you don't have 64bit installed ?! what ?
09:15	herbijudlestoids	well, the lappy only has 4gb of ram, so why bother?
09:15	mircea_popescu	o you mean the cpu is 64bit but you're using a 32bit os ?
09:15	herbijudlestoids	its a thinkpad x230, my bebbeh, i love it
09:15	herbijudlestoids	yeah
09:16	mircea_popescu	you know doing that actually slows it down because adressing and stuff ?
09:16	mircea_popescu	it's not just the addressable memory pool size that counts.
09:16	ThickAsThieves	fyi i have moiety ignored and i dont know why, probly a nickchange
09:16	herbijudlestoids	well lucky my entire workflow is encompassed by terminal, firefox, ssh, rdesktop and i dont notice ;)
09:16	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i've been extremely irc promiscuous this year.
09:17	moiety	hi mircea_popescu lol catching up? and nope they should go find it and read it in the first place.
09:17	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids "i didn't buy my bebbeh i love it any clothes because whatever, she's cold but my entire workflow consists of get in kitchen make me sammich"
09:17	ThickAsThieves	no wait i dont have ignored
09:17	ThickAsThieves	just couldnt findin log
09:17	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so i'm promiscuous and you're confused.
09:17	moiety	btw guys i'm chipug, just using usual nick now
09:17	ThickAsThieves	lemme finish this coffee...
09:17	moiety	is that why you ignored me ThickAsThieves?!
09:18	ThickAsThieves	i didnt
09:18	mircea_popescu	whoa you ignored the girl ? you faggot!
09:18	ThickAsThieves	lol
09:18	moiety	lol kidding ThickAsThieves XD
09:18	ThickAsThieves	my wife, for like the first time ever, asked if there were girls in IRC
09:18	ThickAsThieves	like she had to ask the one week there is
09:18	mircea_popescu	i'm sort-of hoping one day some libertard finds this chan and is all "we must start a petition to have these people brought to justice! they said cunt!"
09:19	ThickAsThieves	I said "No, just guys pretending"
09:19	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: is the only peer in the DNS seed still down for ATC? when i tried earlier today it was giving me conn refused and i had to explicitly connect to an IP someone posted in the chan
09:19	mircea_popescu	Namworld: I have one. First result on google for MPEx referral. <<< ahaha epic.
09:19	herbijudlestoids	err thread
09:20	chetty	libtards can't irc. - requires reading and stuff
09:20	ThickAsThieves	herb, ask pankakke or the thread such questions, i'm just a weirdo in a clown suit
09:20	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: can you link me the src?
09:20	ThickAsThieves	i did
09:21	ThickAsThieves	<ThickAsThieves> https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin
09:21	mircea_popescu	so i'm promiscuous, you're confused and this guy cnat raed.
09:21	ThickAsThieves	wait
09:21	ThickAsThieves	derp
09:21	ThickAsThieves	no wait
09:21	moiety	i love the language code of this channel
09:21	ThickAsThieves	it is
09:21	herbijudlestoids	thx
09:21	mircea_popescu	lmao
09:21	mircea_popescu	;;google chickenhawk "i scared myself" "i'm hunting a chicken"
09:21	gribble	Henery Hawk (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0039581/quotes>; Foghorn Leghorn (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0029619/quotes>; The Looney Tunes Show - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Looney_Tunes_Show>
09:21	pankkake	herbijudlestoids: it's my server and it's up. maybe it has trouble connecting to you
09:22	pankkake	no one offered IPs for me to add :(
09:22	mircea_popescu	wait, wait, pankkake i have incriminating evidence!
09:22	pankkake	maybe you can try 87.98.146.72 too
09:22	moiety	my pi dreams have been realised in email server form \o/
09:22	herbijudlestoids	pankkake: im just recompiling from src will try shortly thx
09:23	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids: o shit yea i totally got a giant pool of IPs lol <<<
09:23	pankkake	oh, the current binaries don't have dns seeds
09:23	herbijudlestoids	pankkake: there is one in there
09:23	mircea_popescu	now herbi, share some ips for the glory of the altcoin!
09:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07660404 = 0.383 BTC [-] {3}
09:23	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: like you always say, good service costs BTC :P
09:23	herbijudlestoids	but yeah id probly be happy to share an IP or two
09:24	ThickAsThieves	traditionally altcoin bounties are paid in that coin
09:24	ThickAsThieves	:)
09:24	ThickAsThieves	tradition is the best empiricism right?
09:24	moiety	is it a bad idea to change email address of a gpg key for any reason?
09:24	mircea_popescu	yeah, i'll buy an ip for pankkake from you for 100 alt.
09:24	herbijudlestoids	haha
09:24	mircea_popescu	which pankkake will pay for me
09:25	ThickAsThieves	lol
09:25	mircea_popescu	by now this shit's roughly as complex as counterparty trade on any prop desk in london
09:25	pankkake	you made me do accounting, as the transaction list of bitcoin-qt sucks
09:26	mircea_popescu	wait, wait, pankkake i have incriminating evidence!
09:26	mircea_popescu	PierreCPA: Perhaps, though I think we'll call them "accounting system developers", accounting will be done entirely 100% by computers
09:27	mircea_popescu	aww shit the guy's not here
09:27	mircea_popescu	my evidence ;/
09:27	ThickAsThieves	In case anyone missed it, yet cares, ASICMINER update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5025133#msg5025133
09:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00085925 = 21.3953 BTC [-]
09:27	mircea_popescu	lmao
09:27	ThickAsThieves	"Depending on fab capacity. Total target is 10k to 40k wafers, relying on competitors, Bitcoin price, and other factors. A wafer is rated at 40 TH/s."
09:28	ThickAsThieves	that's for the year
09:28	ThickAsThieves	no
09:28	ThickAsThieves	for Gen3
09:28	ThickAsThieves	which maybe is the year
09:28	ThickAsThieves	which is actually Gen2
09:28	mircea_popescu	prolly the year. so they add at most 1.5 ph/s ?
09:28	ThickAsThieves	no way more
09:28	mircea_popescu	;;calc 40 * 40
09:28	gribble	1600
09:29	ThickAsThieves	sec3
09:29	mircea_popescu	o o wait, 1.6 exa
09:29	ThickAsThieves	sec
09:29	ThickAsThieves	yeah
09:29	ThickAsThieves	theyll basically sell as much as would be bought it sounds
09:29	mircea_popescu	and mine with the rest.
09:29	mircea_popescu	so if indeed they deliver pretty much everyone mining currently is screwed.
09:29	ThickAsThieves	yes
09:30	ThickAsThieves	or, bitcoin goes to $10000
09:30	ThickAsThieves	or whatever
09:30	mircea_popescu	so basically if bitcoiners had a 1 btc budged for killing people, it'd go ~1 btc to taking out friedcat and ~0 btc to taking out a bunch of tards in suits in the us self importantly yakking about regulation or whatever the fuck.
09:31	herbijudlestoids	pankkake: that 87.98.146.72 you pasted works :)
09:32	mircea_popescu	theo you obviously missed the part where mpex has about a million btc mkt cap listed, and the part where the largest ipos in the history of btc all happened on mpex
09:33	mircea_popescu	most importantly, the part you missed is http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/
09:33	ThickAsThieves	of course most of those wafers will be mining Altcoin by then, so it works out
09:33	mircea_popescu	now go ask havelock exactly what a) the total bitcoin loss from all listed and closed companies is so far with them
09:33	mircea_popescu	and b) exactly what would be the average return of an investor who put in 1 btc over a basket of everything they had a year ago.
09:34	mircea_popescu	cause if you don't daytrade and have a family those are the questions that matter, not whether someone paid random unheard of "press" outfit fiddy bux to run their bs story about nothing.
09:34	herbijudlestoids	ok solo mining :)
09:34	mircea_popescu	as far as i know, out of all the folks pretending to be into bitcoin finance, the only person who was in the press is yours truly.
09:35	mircea_popescu	seeing how we don't count reports of having been arrested, doing dope or bs press releases.
09:35	mircea_popescu	i gotta stop reading these logs ;/
09:36	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: tbh if you have been dealing with incessant queries from people with similar questions to theo then i can understand why you react the way you do to many things :P
09:36	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids it's deeper than that, i even have people to insulate me from it
09:36	mircea_popescu	but i'm a very unfortunate mix of volcanic personality and hands-right-into-the-grease mental model
09:37	herbijudlestoids	pankkake: did you just take that fucker down lol
09:37	pankkake	herbijudlestoids: yes. didn't you get any other connections?
09:37	herbijudlestoids	pankkake: seems not
09:37	pankkake	oh, sorry
09:38	herbijudlestoids	no its ok i will just use that other IP i found previously
09:38	mircea_popescu	you broke the alt ?!
09:38	mircea_popescu	this is wrecking!
09:38	pankkake	altcoin is too centralized!
09:38	mircea_popescu	omg thank you power ranger pancake for having fixed the blockchain with your powers!
09:38	mircea_popescu	you were like right here when you broke it and everything.
09:39	pankkake	that's how a lot of altcoins work :/ "oh we got 51% attacked again? let me fix it"
09:39	mircea_popescu	pankkake o, you weren't here back in march were you ?
09:40	pankkake	no :(
09:40	mircea_popescu	ah well. so that went like this : hearn changed the db structure in the new release without reading the old db code because fuck, he worked at google!
09:40	Apocalyptic	dat hearn...
09:41	mircea_popescu	upon push the blockchain split, all the traders on the old chain, all the fuckwits still at that point following their release cycle on a new chain
09:41	mircea_popescu	the split lasted for like half a day
09:41	mircea_popescu	and derps in -dev were all like omg you power ranger devs! you were right here! and fixed it!
09:41	mircea_popescu	my hero!
09:41	pankkake	oh, right, I remember that. didn't know it was hearn
09:41	mircea_popescu	i can see that, i thought this must have been taaki too, originally.
09:41	herbijudlestoids	so if i find a block, how much altz do i get? 1,000?
09:41	pankkake	512
09:42	moiety	lolol
09:42	herbijudlestoids	thats not enuf mang
09:42	herbijudlestoids	i need 8888
09:42	pankkake	mine bernankoin, then
09:42	pankkake	the more you mine the more you get
09:42	moiety	can we please send him a cape?
09:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1205 BTC [+]
09:42	pankkake	*print
09:43	herbijudlestoids	is altcoin the first altcoin that has absolutely no difference from the original bitcoin in terms of algorithm?
09:43	herbijudlestoids	its just a "young" bitcoin?
09:43	mircea_popescu	moiety yeah, it could be really small and have cunts embroidered on it
09:44	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids possibly. certainly the first to get over 100 difficulty.
09:44	pankkake	no, there was a recent wave of sha256 altcoins, after usb erupters were totally useless
09:44	herbijudlestoids	pankkake: ah right true true
09:44	mircea_popescu	o ? musta missed that.
09:44	mircea_popescu	name some ?
09:44	mircea_popescu	for my culture.
09:44	herbijudlestoids	gheycoin
09:44	herbijudlestoids	seckscoin
09:44	pankkake	the one that made me lol, by the name, AsicCoin
09:45	mircea_popescu	lol
09:45	moiety	embroidery? you spoiler. i would've gone iron-on transfers
09:45	mircea_popescu	moiety even better because then it could sorta fracture right down the middle
09:47	mircea_popescu	taub you would be exactly correct.
09:47	kakobrekla	atc trading anywhere yet?
09:47	mircea_popescu	notrly.
09:47	mircea_popescu	otc here and on the forum
09:47	mircea_popescu	i just bought real world goods with it!
09:47	Apocalyptic	you did ?
09:47	mircea_popescu	(ips are real world goods right ?)
09:48	kakobrekla	ips? interent porn services?
09:48	mircea_popescu	internet protocol numbers!
09:49	moiety	lolol @ 'the block-cape'
09:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
09:50	mircea_popescu	"The majority of stocks sold on the exchanges like Dow Jones" srsly ?!
09:50	pankkake	;;sell 5000 ATC @ 500 satoshi
09:50	herbijudlestoids	lel
09:50	gribble	Order id 19529 created.
09:50	pankkake	magic!
09:50	mircea_popescu	that goes straight intpo the bash
09:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0745 = 0.2235 BTC [+]
09:50	kakobrekla	i was asking for mkt cap chart
09:50	Apocalyptic	mircea, where did you get this from ?
09:51	pankkake	http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworder.php?id=19517
09:52	herbijudlestoids	pankkake: out of curiosity, how many GH are you contributing to the ATC pool right now?
09:52	ozbot	#bitcoin-otc order id 19517
09:52	pankkake	666
09:52	herbijudlestoids	lel
09:52	pankkake	uh no, Mh
09:52	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids:
09:52	mircea_popescu	theo: what i suggest is if you think the existing thing has deficiencies that you can overcome, make your own thing and people will flock to it << no see, that's outright evil. the guy perceives deficiencies due to the shit on his eyes, and fails to see the actual problems. if he manages to get in the media with his braindamaged implementation (which is possible seeing how cluelessly stupid media people are)
09:52	kakobrekla	theo is long gone
09:53	herbijudlestoids	lel it was a kidden, obviously he is not going to make teh thingz
09:53	mircea_popescu	then that'll just be a bunch of people getting hurt down the road. pretty much exactly how most everything outside of mpex has been working to date, from the exchanges, starting with mtgox, to anything you wish to pick
09:53	mircea_popescu	no, actually, you're playing with widows' and orphans' money.
09:53	mircea_popescu	he WILL make the thing. because he's that stupid, and he lives in a braindead society which encourages fuckwits to "express themselves"
09:53	mircea_popescu	and not take no shit from nobody and so forth.
09:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
09:54	mircea_popescu	(well, maybe not him personally, but still)
09:55	mircea_popescu	but anyway, my car's been waiting for like half an hour by now, i'll get fined for parking with the driver in it at this rate.
09:55	herbijudlestoids	i wonder who is contributing the ~40-100GH/s reports on the mining pool website for ATC
09:55	mircea_popescu	catch y'all later.
09:55	herbijudlestoids	yeah bye mircea_popescu
09:55	moiety	cheerio mircea_popescu
09:58	herbijudlestoids	ok, i ordered a new USB hub so i can resurrect the lil mining rig and set it on ATC
09:59	herbijudlestoids	at least that way i can try and use any i mine to get my WoT score up
10:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00086118 = 23.4241 BTC [+] {2}
10:02	kakobrekla	last block 45min ago
10:02	kakobrekla	mine harder
10:06	herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: i got a couple of USB hubs here, but they dont seem to like the ASICs, so itll have to be 336MH/s until it comes :P
10:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
10:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0008568 = 4.8838 BTC [-]
10:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
10:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0743409 = 0.8177 BTC [-] {2}
10:24	kakobrekla	http://www.iztokmedja.com/ice-age-postojna/
10:24	ozbot	Ice age @ Postojna - Iztok Medja | Iztok Medja
10:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
10:33	herbijudlestoids	beditme
10:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086127 = 4.737 BTC [+]
10:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC
10:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC
10:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10040 @ 0.00086332 = 8.6677 BTC [+] {2}
10:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+]
11:00	ThickAsThieves	anyone can help me get my altcoin-qt to sync?
11:01	ThickAsThieves	console seems to not work
11:04	pankkake	Help/Debug window doesn't work?
11:04	ThickAsThieves	well it loads, but no commands work
11:04	ThickAsThieves	gonna try a diff pc first, this one has some networking issues
11:04	pankkake	try "addnode 87.98.146.72 add"
11:05	pankkake	otherwise you can also add nodes in ~/.altcoin/altcoin.conf
11:05	ThickAsThieves	it accepted that
11:05	ThickAsThieves	the help menu shows different syntax
11:06	ThickAsThieves	however it still sees no connection
11:06	pankkake	weird
11:06	ThickAsThieves	do i need to use SOCKS?
11:07	pankkake	no
11:07	ThickAsThieves	maybe my router is messing with it?
11:08	ThickAsThieves	<pankkake> otherwise you can also add nodes in ~/.altcoin/altcoin.conf that path exists?
11:08	pankkake	it's surprising you could not make outgoing connections
11:08	pankkake	on Linux ~ is the home
11:08	ThickAsThieves	oh
11:08	ThickAsThieves	on windows here
11:08	pankkake	and you already should have a .altcoin directory created
11:08	pankkake	well, I don't know where to put the altcoin.conf then
11:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00086578 = 11.9045 BTC [+]
11:09	Duffer1	same dir as the exe i believe
11:09	pankkake	someone did it in the thread I think
11:09	pankkake	no
11:09	ThickAsThieves	itll be some weird users folder probly
11:09	pankkake	it's in some user profile folder
11:09	Duffer1	weird
11:10	pankkake	125.120.196.224 68.35.72.33 162.243.123.118 other IPs to try
11:10	pankkake	it's in the same place as the wallet.dat
11:10	Duffer1	%appdata%
11:11	pankkake	;;tslb
11:11	gribble	Time since last block: 31 minutes and 9 seconds
11:11	ThickAsThieves	when i use console to add node, it replies with a blank comment
11:11	pankkake	that's normal
11:11	Duffer1	search %appdata% then double click on Roaming
11:11	pankkake	try getpeerinfo, too
11:12	ThickAsThieves	thanks duffer1
11:12	Duffer1	:)
11:12	ThickAsThieves	trying
11:12	pankkake	so you create altcoin.conf and add lines of "addnode=IP"
11:13	ThickAsThieves	yep it worked
11:13	ThickAsThieves	:)
11:13	ThickAsThieves	8 days behind
11:13	kakobrekla	or just do it in console
11:13	ThickAsThieves	the console wasnt taking for some reason
11:15	kakobrekla	http://atc.blockr.io
11:15	pankkake	:o
11:16	ThickAsThieves	oh hell yes
11:16	ThickAsThieves	this site has some nice CSS
11:16	ThickAsThieves	:)
11:16	kakobrekla	go spread t he word
11:17	ThickAsThieves	doing so
11:21	ThickAsThieves	will they also add link to the main nav on home page?
11:21	ThickAsThieves	or only for cool kids?
11:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02829999 = 0.2264 BTC [-]
11:28	kakobrekla	ThickAsThieves at some point i reckon
11:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.075125 = 0.1503 BTC [+] {2}
11:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0755 = 0.604 BTC [+] {2}
11:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.076 = 0.38 BTC [+]
11:33	deadweasel	appdata/altcoin
11:33	deadweasel	oh, nm
11:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3854 @ 0.00086763 = 3.3438 BTC [+]
11:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12000001 BTC [-]
11:38	ThickAsThieves	website updated with current links etc http://therealaltcoin.org/
11:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12 = 0.48 BTC [-]
11:40	kakobrekla	cool
11:47	ThickAsThieves	the blockr page has a weird bug where sometimes links arent clickable, something about scrolling affects it
11:47	ThickAsThieves	just in case they dont already know
11:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4383 @ 0.00019104 = 0.8373 BTC [-] {4}
11:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [-]
11:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [-]
11:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.0008659 = 17.1881 BTC [-] {2}
11:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.02637610 BTC to 1`070 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
12:00	kakobrekla	ThickAsThieves can you make a proper bugreport :)
12:00	kakobrekla	like in a way that i can be reproduced
12:01	kakobrekla	it
12:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.19376446 = 2.3252 BTC [+]
12:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8326 @ 0.00086763 = 7.2239 BTC [+]
12:04	ThickAsThieves	sure
12:04	ThickAsThieves	is there a place to?
12:05	kakobrekla	you can pm me and ill let them know
12:05	kakobrekla	brb
12:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27510 @ 0.00087175 = 23.9818 BTC [+] {2}
12:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00019101 = 1.5281 BTC [-] {5}
12:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4770 @ 0.00019087 = 0.9104 BTC [-] {3}
12:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60997998 BTC [+]
12:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2385 @ 0.00087062 = 2.0764 BTC [-]
12:14	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456937.msg5038138#msg5038138
12:14	ozbot	Bitcoin Mutual Fund
12:14	ThickAsThieves	"In other word's this isn't Tat Investments, exotic complex virtual bonds, that make Chase and Goldman derivatives look like a joke."
12:14	ThickAsThieves	lol
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17391 @ 0.00019 = 3.3043 BTC [-] {5}
12:17	KRS-One	heh
12:21	kakobrekla	stop with the slander
12:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0057 = 0.2052 BTC [-]
12:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 23 @ 0.00500101 = 0.115 BTC [+]
12:27	pankkake	scammers now pretty much always start with "I've been a victim of scams myself"
12:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21360 @ 0.0008639 = 18.4529 BTC [-] {2}
12:27	pankkake	dirty salesman basics
12:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8672 @ 0.0008568 = 7.4302 BTC [-]
12:28	punkman	"I'm so "experienced" I've invested in two dozen scams."
12:29	kakobrekla	lol
12:29	punkman	shut up and take my money!
12:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC
12:35	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla so you're a global warming denier i take it.
12:36	mircea_popescu	shame on you!
12:37	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> oh hell yes << hehehehe
12:38	mircea_popescu	block height 16400 ftw.
12:39	mircea_popescu	pankkake signs of a mature scammarket.
12:39	mircea_popescu	well maybe not mature, but adolescent.
12:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00018576 = 0.6502 BTC [-] {4}
12:40	pankkake	time to IPO revolutionary acne skin cream
12:41	mircea_popescu	"the secret MPEx doesn't want you to know about how a single mom made stock monyz working from the kitchen"
12:43	ThickAsThieves	TAT Spotted At Restaurant, You Won't Believe What We Saw!
12:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC
12:48	mircea_popescu	"Dear @BTCFoundation, please eat shit and drop dead for promoting scumbags like @Mircea_Popescu #bitcoin"
12:48	mircea_popescu	dude when did that happen
12:49	copumpkin	lol
12:49	mircea_popescu	fucking postmodernism.
12:51	mircea_popescu	the best part about google is that by googling mpoe-pr i get a link to her recent posts
12:51	ThickAsThieves	did you notice RPietilla's name now says he is slave to Goat?
12:52	pankkake	https://twitter.com/BTCFoundation/status/426414550301552640 it did happen
12:52	ozbot	Twitter / BTCFoundation: #Bitcoin entrepreneur saves ...
12:52	mircea_popescu	i wonder how many more people enter bitcointalk googling for mpoe-pr than for anything else
12:52	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves ahahaha what.
12:52	pankkake	lol that guy hates you https://twitter.com/Krokodill_G
12:52	mircea_popescu	splendid
12:52	punkman	I only ever read MPOE-PR recent posts
12:53	ThickAsThieves	"rpietila, the Vassal of the Mighty Goat"
12:53	mircea_popescu	pankkake apparently he hates me and a fellow named d. cameron whoever that is
12:53	ThickAsThieves	he's also the one who Goat made a big trade with last year,
12:53	ThickAsThieves	thus, he is Goat
12:53	mircea_popescu	no wai he's goat.
12:53	mircea_popescu	goat is relatively dumb.
12:53	mircea_popescu	that guy had aptitude.
12:54	ThickAsThieves	maybe all the scams are goat
12:54	ThickAsThieves	maybe they are bros
12:55	mircea_popescu	goat is basically this lamer that likes to gossip about things pretending like he's related to them
12:55	mircea_popescu	you know the guy who's always "oh, universal pictures ? yeah my cousin works there"
12:55	ThickAsThieves	well he did pump COG pretty openly
12:56	mircea_popescu	he pumped a laundry list of failed bs pretty openly.
12:57	mircea_popescu	wasn't he pumping silver half year ago ?
12:57	ThickAsThieves	yep
12:57	mircea_popescu	back when it was, you know, 25 ?
12:57	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456983.0
12:57	ozbot	Invest in medi-hamster -- 7% div weekly payment! -- 14995 shares left!
12:57	mircea_popescu	now, while he was involved with the pirate crap, and pumped it, and it failed,
12:57	mircea_popescu	i am confident he wasn't meaningfully involved with... silver.
12:58	ThickAsThieves	hehe
12:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4249 @ 0.00081538 = 3.4645 BTC [-] {25}
13:00	davout	pankkake: énorme
13:00	mircea_popescu	as in enormity ?
13:00	davout	no, more like amazing
13:00	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
13:01	mircea_popescu	at least in romanian, "enormitate" means this incredibly stupid thing [to say]
13:01	davout	yes, in french too, "une énormité", exactly the same meaning
13:01	mircea_popescu	kind-of works the same way in english, and in french too
13:01	mircea_popescu	yeah
13:02	davout	but when you say it this way it means something like "fucking incredible"
13:02	davout	or "splendid"
13:02	mircea_popescu	i always wondered why it's not splentit.
13:02	mircea_popescu	what's did ever done for anyone.
13:03	ThickAsThieves	or why not splendorous
13:03	davout	splendiferous
13:03	davout	splendimagilistickexplialidorous
13:03	mircea_popescu	cause that sounds like it'd stink.
13:03	mircea_popescu	splendorous, splendodorous, same ballpark
13:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.0760101 = 0.5321 BTC [-] {3}
13:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1100 @ 0.00308229 = 3.3905 BTC [+] {31}
13:05	ThickAsThieves	Splendiferrous Inc, Our Iron is a Steel.
13:05	mircea_popescu	you mean our irony is a steal.
13:06	mircea_popescu	MP's MI5: someone said karpeles was spotted in the bahamas
13:06	mircea_popescu	MP himself: waldo karpeles ?
13:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.0760102 = 0.228 BTC [+] {2}
13:07	mircea_popescu	MP's MI5: no, piggy karpeles
13:07	ThickAsThieves	lol i was just gonna say Pooh Bear Karpeles
13:07	ThickAsThieves	stuck in a tree again
13:07	mircea_popescu	apparently i'm rate limited
13:07	mircea_popescu	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Estate << very funny this.
13:07	ozbot	Fifth Estate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
13:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0755 = 0.2265 BTC [-]
13:08	mircea_popescu	yes, there does exist a network of individuals who operate outside of the constraints of "normal society"
13:08	mircea_popescu	such as for instance, laws.
13:08	mircea_popescu	that part is correct.
13:08	mircea_popescu	who does wikipedia think those people are ?
13:08	mircea_popescu	why... bloggers. and... twitter derps.
13:08	mircea_popescu	win.
13:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.121 = 0.242 BTC [+] {2}
13:09	ThickAsThieves	lowest of the low
13:09	mircea_popescu	i mean... zero hedge tries to push a bitcoin bet site, gets humiliated like 10k to 1 by trilema
13:10	mircea_popescu	trilema is not a blog, however, not anymore than a mercedes is "white".
13:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.121 = 0.242 BTC [+]
13:11	KRS-One	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550897/Off-piste-Russias-female-Olympians-Russia-goes-Sochi-charm-offensive-scantily-clad-photo-call-athletes-youve-never-seen-before.html
13:11	KRS-One	.bait
13:11	mircea_popescu	now that's a blog that influences public oppinion, daily mail.
13:11	KRS-One	Behold, sexy olympians.
13:11	ozbot	Russia's female Olympians go on Sochi charm offensive with scantily clad photo-call | Mail Online
13:11	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/858199fb39eeade194f593349ab322a3/tumblr_mf5b5qkHWY1rt1hdwo1_1280.jpg
13:12	ThickAsThieves	their women arent bad
13:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.07562404 = 0.7562 BTC [-] {5}
13:12	KRS-One	Russian women are hawt.
13:12	mircea_popescu	it's so cool that pretty much everything women do is now merely a pretext for them to get porn careers.
13:12	mircea_popescu	and that everything the plebs do is pretty much a pretext for them being exploited, wikipedia chief example
13:12	KRS-One	Yes, mircea_popescu. Someone has to do it, preferrably them.
13:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [+]
13:13	mircea_popescu	god i'm so happy to have been born now rather than at any other time.
13:13	mircea_popescu	i wonder how many people actually felt this way historically.
13:13	KRS-One	In the mean time, I think my wife awaits in Germany. Wonder what the I.T. market for a gringo guy from the U.S. is like there.
13:13	ThickAsThieves	even being a celebrity means having to seriously ponder when/whether to do a sex tape
13:13	mircea_popescu	yep
13:13	mircea_popescu	it's pretty much all it is, you now get the opportunity to show us your tits like we cared.
13:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12125 = 0.2425 BTC [+]
13:14	KRS-One	mircea_popescu: being born in the 1930's might not have been bad.
13:14	mircea_popescu	you kidding ? with ww2 and everything ?
13:14	KRS-One	in the U.S. at any rate.
13:14	KRS-One	In the U.S. specifically.
13:14	mircea_popescu	so what, you can be raised by a poor mother working two shifts and an absent father who then came back as an antsy alcoholic ?
13:15	mircea_popescu	derp.
13:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0755 = 0.5285 BTC [-] {2}
13:15	KRS-One	yep, amazing growth and good life from the late 40's to the late 70's.
13:15	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
13:15	mircea_popescu	nah, it was bullshit, i couldn't have stood the 50s
13:15	ThickAsThieves	plus our "time" is more than 10 years
13:15	mircea_popescu	where's the naked womenz only parties there ?
13:15	KRS-One	Ya the 50's seemed like the new trends would have been annoying as fuck.
13:15	ThickAsThieves	living in the 30s means living in the 50s too
13:16	mircea_popescu	and besides, then the 60s which deeply sucked
13:16	mircea_popescu	and the the 70s and disco ?!~
13:16	mircea_popescu	give me a motherfucking break, i'd have been breivik
13:16	KRS-One	Americans had it very well all of those decades.
13:16	mircea_popescu	yeah, if they were braindead.
13:16	chetty	so what would be a good decade?
13:16	mircea_popescu	which... you know, the braindead have it very well today, i'm sure.
13:16	ThickAsThieves	90s were cool
13:16	davout	maybe 100 years from now mircea futurescu will say the exact same thing
13:16	KRS-One	I noted no lack of prosperity.
13:16	mircea_popescu	chetty 1990s in romania and 2000-now globally.
13:16	ThickAsThieves	but i suspect 2010s will be similar
13:17	mircea_popescu	davout i hope so for his sake.
13:17	KRS-One	ThickAsThieves: the 90s was my time..best music and everything.
13:17	the20year	US has had it pretty good all the 20th century
13:17	KRS-One	thank you the20year
13:17	the20year	90s music? lol
13:17	mircea_popescu	maybe the 90s were ok in grenwich village too, but i wouldn't trade.
13:18	KRS-One	yeh 90s music was great imo..it improved the 80's and launched a new rock and roll
13:18	ThickAsThieves	90s was pretty great for music
13:18	the20year	like?
13:18	mircea_popescu	like nirvana.
13:18	KRS-One	word
13:18	ThickAsThieves	like NWA
13:18	mircea_popescu	like a good chunk of iron maiden
13:18	KRS-One	fuck'n-A ThickAsThieves
13:19	the20year	iron maiden started in the 70s
13:19	KRS-One	Tool
13:19	mircea_popescu	yeah, even the rap/w/e stuff black people did in the 90s was pretty cool.
13:19	ThickAsThieves	like every respected hip hop group known today really
13:19	the20year	Iron maiden has been good since they started, and the 90s weren't really significantly better than any other decade
13:19	ThickAsThieves	Pharcyde, Tribe, etc
13:19	the20year	Nirvana is ok for people with poor musical taste
13:19	KRS-One	iron maiden is f'n amazing
13:19	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
13:19	the20year	Tool is one of th few 90s bands I like
13:19	ThickAsThieves	god i hate tool
13:19	KRS-One	whut
13:19	KRS-One	blasphemy
13:20	ThickAsThieves	it's bullshit music, sorry
13:20	the20year	tool ,alice in chains, a few others like them are the only noteworthy 90s bands
13:20	KRS-One	thats cool..thickasthieves, got one better?
13:20	ThickAsThieves	comparible to tool?
13:20	ThickAsThieves	NIN
13:20	KRS-One	no
13:20	KRS-One	either
13:20	KRS-One	A Perfect Circle
13:21	davout	the coolest music happened before 1950
13:21	mircea_popescu	the20year you like tool and discuss the musical taste of people liking nirvana ?!
13:21	ThickAsThieves	circle sucks too
13:21	mircea_popescu	this is like... ok you're banned on music criticism nao
13:21	KRS-One	Wow ThickAsThieves rly
13:21	the20year	In the grand scheme fo things, tool is only mediocre
13:21	KRS-One	they are a percussion band
13:21	mircea_popescu	b
13:21	mircea_popescu	but in no scheme of things in which nirvana sucks tool can be mentioned.
13:22	the20year	And nirvana worse than that, of all the music out there, 50 years from now, very little from the 90s will be played
13:22	ThickAsThieves	tool is like jazz for metalheads
13:22	mircea_popescu	other than for some sort of ronald mcdonald reason
13:22	mircea_popescu	nirvana will be played.
13:22	ThickAsThieves	indeed
13:22	the20year	Nirvana will be one of the very little that will be played
13:22	mircea_popescu	for that matter, what do you play from 1940 ?
13:23	ThickAsThieves	i'll listen to a little Ella Fitzgerald
13:23	the20year	By 1998, in the US there was plenty of 80s being played still, today there is very little 90s music being played outside of things like nirvana ,tool, apc, metallica, and other similar hard rock type bands
13:23	mircea_popescu	irene, irene and like what, turkey in the straw.
13:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.58100576 = 4.067 BTC [-] {3}
13:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00018406 = 0.9203 BTC [-] {5}
13:23	the20year	The pop of the 80s is still being played along with the pop of the 60s and 70s, not so much for pop music from the 90s
13:23	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you know she was like 10 in 1940
13:23	ThickAsThieves	<the20year> By 1998, in the US there was plenty of 80s being played still, today there is very little 90s music being played outside of things like nirvana ,tool, apc, metallica, and other similar hard rock type bands --- that is not how you sort things
13:23	the20year	How often do you hear nsync or 98 degrees, or new kids on the block on the radio?
13:24	ThickAsThieves	Ella Jane Fitzgerald (April 25, 1917 – June 15, 1996)
13:24	the20year	(Almost never, and that's because they're compeletely irrelevant)
13:24	ThickAsThieves	you examples are so off
13:24	the20year	go look at the billboard top 20 from 1991 through 1999
13:24	ThickAsThieves	first, you dont judge quality of a decade's music by what is currently on the radio
13:24	the20year	and tell me how often any of those songs are continued to be played
13:24	mircea_popescu	anyway. 1940 really means wenn die soldaten and embrasse-moi
13:24	ThickAsThieves	second, you dont use shitty pop commercials as exmples
13:25	mircea_popescu	very little english language crap
13:25	mircea_popescu	or w/e you call it, pop.
13:25	ThickAsThieves	radio is mortally wounded, probly not a good signal for anything
13:25	the20year	There are exceptions to my statement of 'the 90s sucked musically' but considering how much music was put out during that decade
13:25	ThickAsThieves	a signal of what blue collar workers are willing to put up with at work maybe
13:26	benkay	blue collar workers don't get a say in what's pumped in their ears on-shift.
13:26	the20year	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1995
13:26	ozbot	Billboard Year-End Hot 100 singles of 1995 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
13:26	ThickAsThieves	then immigrant workers, sry
13:26	mircea_popescu	lol
13:27	mircea_popescu	srsly doods. la vie en rose!
13:27	mircea_popescu	that's 1940. not w/e dubious jazz you can't even name that was barely getting started.
13:27	davout	srsly?
13:27	mircea_popescu	davout yeah.
13:27	benkay	wow wenn die soldaten is like 9 minutes long
13:28	davout	mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4tCC8AsNV4&feature=kp
13:28	mircea_popescu	hymne a l'amour etc.
13:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00018275 = 1.0965 BTC [-] {5}
13:28	mircea_popescu	what was le contrebandier, like 55 i guess
13:29	KRS-One	1930's, 1940's jazz was amazing.
13:29	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
13:29	mircea_popescu	KRS-One name something. no googling.
13:29	KRS-One	Count Basie
13:29	mircea_popescu	(i don't dispute it was great. i dispute you can even name it)
13:29	mircea_popescu	hah.
13:29	KRS-One	Louis armstrong
13:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 738 @ 0.00018 = 0.1328 BTC [-] {2}
13:29	KRS-One	umms
13:29	mircea_popescu	you had me at basie :D
13:29	KRS-One	=D
13:30	KRS-One	I used to play trumpet in grade school and i was well schooled in music and music composition.
13:30	KRS-One	I'd have to sit and think to remember more.
13:30	davout	KRS-One: trumpet looks like a fucking hard instrument
13:30	KRS-One	It took me years, but I'm sure you can say that about any instrument.
13:30	mircea_popescu	anyway, in the 40s armstrong was sutck in tin pan alley, dunno how many people even knew he existed
13:30	KRS-One	really?
13:31	mircea_popescu	which is kind-of how it will play with the 90s or whatever other decade. we're probably so badly deluged in all the crap
13:31	mircea_popescu	that people in 2050 with a functional musicgoogle will be wtf, you had nothing audible in 2013 ? how about xyz
13:31	mircea_popescu	and we'll be like... wtf is x, y or z even, never heard it
13:31	KRS-One	not sure what to make of current stuff, a lot of crap out there now..unless its my tastes changing.
13:32	ThickAsThieves	it's both
13:32	davout	thoughts about the "Frantic" movie ?
13:32	KRS-One	Dizzie Gillespie another great one
13:32	KRS-One	ThickAsThieves: ya think? do you notice that too
13:32	mircea_popescu	davout meh.
13:32	KRS-One	Oh Duke Ellington did some of my favorite hits.
13:33	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/frantic/
13:33	ozbot	Frantic pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:33	KRS-One	I tried so hard to play his music..Benny Goodman had a great band.
13:33	davout	mircea_popescu: thx
13:33	davout	oh wait
13:33	ThickAsThieves	hehe
13:33	davout	worse than a paywall
13:34	davout	a romanianwall
13:34	KRS-One	Some very well cultered people in this chat room, I'm in good company.
13:34	mircea_popescu	davout well... you should be able to read romanian
13:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0058499 = 0.117 BTC [+]
13:34	mircea_popescu	it's like... a latin language, like french.
13:34	mircea_popescu	you know how all chinese ppl speak "chinese" and indians from india "indian" ?
13:34	mircea_popescu	so too, the yurpeans.
13:35	davout	let me give it a try
13:35	ThickAsThieves	i know some portuguese and it's not much help for romanian
13:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00584998 = 0.2457 BTC [+] {3}
13:35	mircea_popescu	i know romanian and french and spanish and as a result portuguese is directly transparent
13:35	ThickAsThieves	seems like Italian is the link between
13:35	mircea_popescu	i never actually learned it
13:36	davout	yeah, if you know FR+ES PT is easily understandable
13:36	ThickAsThieves	if you know spanish you know portuguese, especially brazilian style
13:36	mircea_popescu	amusingly, i notice the 1st comment is from a french speaking emanuelle seigner fan.
13:37	mircea_popescu	with a broken link
13:37	mircea_popescu	fml.
13:37	davout	not sure he's french
13:37	mircea_popescu	WHY ROT, WEB! WHYYYYYYY
13:37	KRS-One	to me Brazilian Portugese doesn't sound spanish.
13:38	KRS-One	And the Cubans are out to win a race for speed for some reason..Can never follow them.
13:38	mircea_popescu	KRS-One that's where romanian is important.
13:38	mircea_popescu	once you follow a conversation between two women speaking simultaneously at about 120wpm
13:38	mircea_popescu	you can follow anything
13:38	KRS-One	it is probably an older language too right?
13:38	KRS-One	It would make sense if so.
13:39	mircea_popescu	well anything'd be an older language than creoles spoken in the new world.
13:39	KRS-One	I don't know much about language but find it interesting..funny how many words are similar.
13:39	davout	so isn't the first sentence something like "Frantic is the exact kind of movie for Harrison Ford" ?
13:39	davout	or "that he could have made" ?
13:40	mircea_popescu	"Frantic e exact genul de film care-i place lui Harrison Ford. " = frantic is exactly the type of film hf likes.
13:40	davout	genul == type ?
13:40	davout	kind ?
13:40	mircea_popescu	yup. genus
13:40	KRS-One	Seems very much like Latin.
13:40	davout	explain "care-i place lui"
13:40	davout	care-i verb ?
13:40	mircea_popescu	care which. place, a placea, to like. -i lui pronouns required by the verbal form
13:41	mircea_popescu	i references the film, lui is the possesive for ford.
13:41	davout	so place is the actual verb, care the complement and hf the subject
13:42	jurov	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU2a4AfleTE&feature=youtu.be amir got a mustache
13:42	ozbot	Bitcoin user Amir Taaki defends Bitcoin crypto currency (04Feb14) - YouTube
13:42	ThickAsThieves	omg even BBC gives him air?
13:42	Apocalyptic	looks like he's high
13:43	davout	i'm in love with his accent
13:43	benkay	oh are we talking about bitcoin again?
13:44	jurov	no, about future billionaires
13:44	mircea_popescu	wait amir with a moustache ?
13:44	mircea_popescu	this should be an altcoin.
13:44	mircea_popescu	AMC - amir with moustache coin
13:44	mircea_popescu	does it make him look all manly ?
13:45	davout	freddy-mercury manly
13:45	ThickAsThieves	he looks at his absolute grossest
13:45	davout	ThickAsThieves: LOL
13:46	mircea_popescu	holy shit piaf's le contrebandier doies nopt exist on youtube. at all.
13:46	mircea_popescu	this scourge upon culture!
13:47	davout	i found one, but it has been removed due to copyright complaints apparently
13:47	mircea_popescu	yeah, see, then all the tinfoil hatters rant about da gubbermint.
13:48	mircea_popescu	Ohé, la douane ! Ohé, les gabelous !
13:48	mircea_popescu	Lâchez tous les chiens et puis planquez-vous au fond de vos cabanes.
13:48	mircea_popescu	Regardez sur la dune l'homme qui passe là-bas. Il est pourtant seul mais vous n'l'aurez pas.
13:48	mircea_popescu	Il s'fout d'la douane...
13:53	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so you wouldn't do him ?
13:54	ThickAsThieves	would not do
13:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085522 = 11.5455 BTC [-] {2}
13:55	mircea_popescu	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto_Water
13:56	ozbot	Pluto Water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
13:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00018687 = 0.3737 BTC [+] {2}
13:57	ThickAsThieves	sounds like pooping wasnt easy back then
13:57	mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/HoudiniPlutoIndiana.jpg
13:58	mircea_popescu	i wonder what "champagne velvet" from terre haute, ind bottling co tasted like
13:59	ThickAsThieves	http://kinoimages.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/philip-seymour-hoffman-photographed-by-herb-ritts-1999.jpg%3Fw%3D640
13:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00085626 = 19.5655 BTC [+]
14:00	mircea_popescu	the guy looks gay.
14:00	ThickAsThieves	he probly was
14:00	mircea_popescu	no ?!
14:01	ThickAsThieves	http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1029813/philip-seymour-hoffman-was-gay-claims-lover
14:01	ozbot	Was Philip Seymour Hoffman gay?
14:02	ThickAsThieves	http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/philip-seymour-hoffman-gay-friend-legal-action-claim-article-1.1603049
14:02	ThickAsThieves	i have this working theory/curiosity that a majority of artists are gay
14:03	ThickAsThieves	the ones that excel most
14:03	ThickAsThieves	even Jay Z
14:03	mircea_popescu	also jewish.
14:03	ThickAsThieves	Kendrick Lamar, Pharrell (rap)
14:04	KRS-One	Pharell is good
14:04	benkay	http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/philip-seymour-hoffman-knew-die-drug-report-article-1.1601596
14:04	KRS-One	JayZ sucks imo..not sure how he got so big
14:04	ozbot	Philip Seymour Hoffman overdose death: 4 suspected heroin dealers arrested - NY Daily News
14:04	benkay	sounds like the cops just wanted an excuse to bust that ring
14:04	KRS-One	ThickAsThieves: You could be right with that theory, artists can be that way or go both ways.
14:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12010001 BTC [-]
14:05	ThickAsThieves	the dealers were jewish
14:05	ThickAsThieves	hehe
14:05	KRS-One	oi vey
14:05	benkay	Thomas Cushman, 48; Robert Vineberg, 57; Juliana Luchkiw, 22; and Max Rosenblum, 22
14:05	benkay	what, you think the kids were actually moving weight?
14:05	ThickAsThieves	also the more highly intelligent people i'm friends with seem sexually confused at best
14:06	KRS-One	not sure there is a connection with intelligence
14:06	ThickAsThieves	i suspect there is
14:06	ThickAsThieves	something about self-awareness or something
14:06	mircea_popescu	juliana was indeed lucky.
14:06	ThickAsThieves	hyper*
14:06	mircea_popescu	pretty much erry night
14:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC
14:07	KRS-One	Self awareness has an attribute of realizing we are animals, but I'm not sure I agree with all that.
14:07	KRS-One	i think its in the genes
14:07	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves didja count me as confused at best ?
14:07	ThickAsThieves	well i wouldnt do so in a judging way
14:07	ThickAsThieves	sex is way to complicated for that
14:08	ThickAsThieves	but yes, you have issues too
14:08	ThickAsThieves	as do i
14:08	ThickAsThieves	whatever
14:08	mircea_popescu	hahaha!
14:08	mircea_popescu	you kidding me, i'm like the one left rock of actual straightness in a sea of you bicurious drug addled peeps!
14:09	ThickAsThieves	oh i was expanding beyong just gayness
14:09	mircea_popescu	into what ?!
14:09	ThickAsThieves	i was saying confused mor egenerally
14:09	mircea_popescu	well then everyone's confused.
14:09	pankkake	straight/gay is the most boring sexual distinction
14:09	benkay	unless you have sex only in the missionary position you're a fucking weirdo, mircea_popescu.
14:09	ThickAsThieves	it seems mnore particular with intellectuals
14:10	mircea_popescu	pankkake why ? it's fundamental yo.
14:10	benkay	having sex at all makes one a fucking weirdo these days. more than one partner? you're at least three standard deviations out.
14:10	mircea_popescu	benkay you know tons of chicks actually love missionary ?
14:10	mircea_popescu	teh intromissionary position
14:10	benkay	intromissionary?
14:11	benkay	also yes i do but that's not the point i'm making.
14:11	benkay	(also come on does no one appreciate the standard deviation pun?)
14:11	ThickAsThieves	is it a pun?
14:12	mircea_popescu	it is kind of puny...
14:13	benkay	i forewent standard deviant 'cause i expect too much from y'all apparently
14:13	mircea_popescu	exercise for benkay and anyone else : let the standard deviations be calculated for one who only engages in sexual congress with members of one gender that accept as prerequisite that they may not have any say in when sex is happening nor in the choice of partners or activities.
14:14	KRS-One	there is a lot of gayness out there, in my .bait i find solitude.
14:14	KRS-One	.bait
14:14	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meag8lF6gY1rck5gjo1_1280.jpg
14:14	benkay	.bait is a solitary activity, yes...
14:14	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/0698394af210e6fbccf2d4173b9f3929/tumblr_mfhehorcZE1s04ckeo1_1280.jpg
14:14	KRS-One	Mmm.
14:14	benkay	did you mean solace?
14:15	mircea_popescu	solaciousnessitude
14:16	benkay	don't know that that's a calculation i really have time or interest in. sounds more like piles of time spent surveying that'd be better spent recruiting the surveyed into my bed
14:16	benkay	time for*
14:16	ThickAsThieves	lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg5040231#msg5040231
14:16	KRS-One	Yes maybe thats a better word?
14:16	ThickAsThieves	they like WANT to be scammed
14:16	mircea_popescu	maybe that's how you recruit them ?
14:16	benkay	not a bad pitch
14:16	mircea_popescu	but anyway, since we're talking about recruiting, here's a ploy i invented during dinner earlier :
14:17	mircea_popescu	you sign up to a forum, under the pretense you are a time traveller from the future. you establish this persona, more or less humorously but intelligently,
14:17	benkay	"i'm doing a survey on sexual practices. oh hey! you're right up my alley - come with me, i'm going to insert someone else in you."
14:17	mircea_popescu	then in due time you explain that the REASON you took the time trip is because the future sucks, and you are seeking your own mother in her youth to fuck her and so in causing a singularity erase that sucky future.
14:17	mircea_popescu	you further have identified her, and she is X
14:18	mircea_popescu	(obviousl;y some research as to the more nubile forum members being i norder)
14:18	KRS-One	oh wow
14:18	KRS-One	haha
14:18	mircea_popescu	and so there you go, she might as well say yes.
14:18	davout	ThickAsThieves: you are right, mircea_popescu has issues
14:18	mircea_popescu	davout omfg what!
14:19	KRS-One	interesting reading nevertheless! lol
14:20	ThickAsThieves	he's fulfilled too many fantasies obv
14:20	ThickAsThieves	now he has to make them up
14:20	mircea_popescu	fantasies are overrated
14:20	mircea_popescu	lmao
14:20	KRS-One	fantasies + mediatation is badass
14:21	davout	KRS-One: orly?
14:21	ThickAsThieves	mediation?
14:21	KRS-One	there is no telling where your mind can go if you let go
14:21	KRS-One	try it sometime..u can think some crazy shit..idk maybe its all the drugs i did
14:21	KRS-One	meditation is amazing
14:21	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
14:21	davout	KRS-One: what? fantasies or meditation?
14:21	mircea_popescu	the toilet ?
14:21	KRS-One	davout: the combination
14:22	ThickAsThieves	you can think some crazy shit when youre bored too
14:22	mircea_popescu	like bitcoin
14:22	davout	KRS-One: when i sit I try to not think
14:22	KRS-One	perfect
14:22	BingoBoingo	Oh, the violence against math guy updated his locked BitBet thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431273.0;topicseen
14:23	davout	but i guess the point is to be aware of what happens not shut everything off
14:23	kakobrekla	locked thread
14:23	KRS-One	someone told me once about microdosing LSD...after a while he spoke perfect German without learning..wtf? I am still thinking he was bullshitting.
14:23	kakobrekla	yea
14:23	KRS-One	but who knows, never tried the stuff.
14:23	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol with a stupid idea from last year
14:24	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well the same stupid idea from last year that came out of that scamsite betsofbitco.in as well.
14:24	pankkake	http://i.imgur.com/aoVkQ8x.png mining at that pool is getting annoying
14:25	BingoBoingo	This allowing people to bet on a sure thing, but at a loss was a genius idea.
14:26	mircea_popescu	lol it was kakobrekla's
14:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58100201 = 1.162 BTC [-]
14:26	mircea_popescu	no wait wait, i'm getting the credit. it was mine. kakobrekla just implemented it badly.
14:26	mircea_popescu	pankkake what, you don't like altdust ?
14:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00085312 = 12.7115 BTC [-]
14:30	davout	so if frantic isn't that good i guess i'll have to settle on robocop 3
14:31	benkay	i saw a trailer for a new robocop last night
14:32	benkay	i love how american movies are 90% animated these days. actual actors must just be too damn expensive or the profit margins just darn slim.
14:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.581 = 2.905 BTC [-] {2}
14:32	davout	i watched it, it's fun
14:32	pankkake	so, does current detroit look like robocob detroit yet?
14:32	mircea_popescu	o thats right, robocop was in detroit huh
14:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00546357 = 0.295 BTC [-] {6}
14:33	davout	i watched the original one a week ago, it is amazing, the haircuts, the glasses, the music everything
14:33	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58066666 = 1.742 BTC [-] {2}
14:38	benkay	you won't catch me in detroit any time soon. the only dystopian megalopolis i'm interested in is buenos aires.
14:38	benkay	Detroit isn't even a proper city any more.
14:39	davout	weren't they supposed to be bankrupt?
14:39	Namworld	I hope Detroi becomes a complete ghost town eventually.
14:40	Namworld	I need a ghost modern city I won't have to take a plane accross the oceans to see in China.
14:41	mircea_popescu	if your definition of ghost town allows for squatters you can probably check out washington dc
14:41	mircea_popescu	or cairo for that matter.
14:43	Namworld	Cairo has the same issue as China.
14:43	Namworld	Maybe not for you I guess eh
14:44	mircea_popescu	smaller ocean anyway
14:44	mircea_popescu	actually, california and generally the us west is littered in 100% abandoned towns
14:44	mircea_popescu	they may not be very big, maybe a square mile or two, but still
14:45	ThickAsThieves	<mircea_popescu> if your definition of ghost town allows for squatters you can probably check out washington dc <<< Asbury Park in NJ at least used to be ghostly
14:45	Namworld	If it's ghost enough, there won't be squatters, simply because there won't be food supplied to the area, because no shops open.
14:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00085312 = 2.474 BTC [-]
14:45	mircea_popescu	right. check out the litany of abandoned mining towns all through ca, az, nm etc
14:45	Namworld	Unless they eat the roaches feeding on wood and glue.
14:46	mircea_popescu	squatters don't normally have money to buy anything in a shop anyway, so it's even
14:47	Namworld	There's no food to steal or find in dumptser too without shops. That's the issue.
14:47	mircea_popescu	Kern county has i think 100 or so abandoned settlements
14:48	ThickAsThieves	this topic should be elaborated upon further
14:48	Namworld	I was kinda hoping for a ghost town large enough to have skyscrapers in disrepair.
14:48	ThickAsThieves	you want apocalypse
14:48	ThickAsThieves	go watch Jericho
14:49	ThickAsThieves	or Walking Dead
14:49	mircea_popescu	Namworld that's not possible for a strict reason of closeness.
14:49	mircea_popescu	skyscrapers are relatively new tech, economy doesn't shift fast enough to have those yet.
14:49	Namworld	I can't visit tv shows tat...
14:49	ThickAsThieves	virtually!
14:49	mircea_popescu	unless it;s mismanagement (there are in egypt some towns developed but never occupied say)
14:49	Namworld	I know, that's why I said I hope that's how Detroit ends up.
14:50	Namworld	Eventually become the first specimen.
14:50	ThickAsThieves	wouldnt such a place also be too dangerous to visit?
14:50	Namworld	Naaaaahhh
14:50	mircea_popescu	he has bitcoins, what danger.
14:50	ThickAsThieves	let's go hang out in that empty skyscraper
14:51	Namworld	Depends on how long it's been left in disrepair I guess.
14:51	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves at least no plane's landing in that one naimean ?
14:52	ThickAsThieves	dunno, empty skyscrapers are bomb more than most no?
14:52	ThickAsThieves	bombed*
14:52	ThickAsThieves	to make new ones
14:52	mircea_popescu	not by mullahs
14:53	mircea_popescu	everyone else tends to give advance notice.
14:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-]
15:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
15:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00085312 = 4.3509 BTC [-]
15:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1214987 BTC [+]
15:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34452 @ 0.00085161 = 29.3397 BTC [-] {4}
15:31	punkman	Alibaba is such a shithole. Every other day they send me this useless email "Shop the best deals & discounted items!!!!11lol!!"
15:33	punkman	Mouser one the other hand is kinda nice, "You have purchased the following part number(s) from Mouser Electronics within the last two years. The manufacturer has published a Product Change Notice. Please click on manufacturer part number to view product details and similar products for replacements."
15:33	mircea_popescu	word.
15:36	punkman	generic tact switch is EOL'd. Clearly I should know about this.
15:37	mircea_popescu	dude this bitcoin thing is such a ponzi
15:37	ThickAsThieves	told ya
15:37	mircea_popescu	like the past week, right ? it lost like 30% of value and now... it stopped.
15:37	mircea_popescu	this is how all ponzi schemes go.
15:38	punkman	ponzi schemes need at least a decade too
15:38	mircea_popescu	yeah
15:38	ThickAsThieves	when does bitcoin IPO?
15:38	punkman	satoshi is just waiting for the right moment
15:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
15:38	mircea_popescu	funny thing too : back before the alt explosion, the #1 "criticism" the general public had was "bitcoin is a ponzi"
15:38	mircea_popescu	now that joe q random can happily make his own crypto-ponzi, nobody says the word anymore.
15:39	mircea_popescu	obviously the entire thing was powered by the general public's jealousy
15:39	mircea_popescu	much like the entire "my neighbour is rich clearly he stole it"
15:39	mircea_popescu	if somehow the entire neighbourhood goes into theft nobody complains about how the rich stoled it anymore. because fundamentally everyman's objection isn't that someone's rich
15:40	mircea_popescu	but that he himself isn't being allowed to steal.
15:40	ThickAsThieves	we should make a fake press release from the bitcoin foundation saying Bitcoin Files Secretly Files for IPO, after we buy a bunch of https://www.google.com/finance?q=BTC&ei=jef3UrjDG8PcsQe6hQE
15:40	ThickAsThieves	see which news outlet bites first
15:40	mircea_popescu	let rpietilla and his vassal goat do that.
15:40	punkman	half my neighbours squatted on the land with shitty little houses, until they got a proper title and sold off to someone that could build an apartment building
15:41	davout	ThickAsThieves: sounds like it could work
15:42	mircea_popescu	http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140117-907989.html <<< look! benton capital was IN THE PRESS
15:42	ozbot	(MKTW) Benton Capital Provides Update - WSJ.com
15:42	mircea_popescu	this matters!
15:42	mircea_popescu	the wsj yo! in the press!
15:43	ThickAsThieves	Apocalyptic / kakobrekla / jurov when will you release an altcoin exchange and host ATC trades?
15:43	mircea_popescu	one helluva balance sheet too
15:44	jurov	when mpex start accepting altcoins, then yes
15:45	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what's the hurry anyway.
15:45	ThickAsThieves	no one will sell to me!
15:45	jurov	and what about sth like X.ALT ?
15:45	mircea_popescu	aww poor tat.
15:45	mircea_popescu	you know someone in the thread was making an offer iirc ?
15:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 388 @ 0.00047495 = 0.1843 BTC [+] {8}
15:45	mircea_popescu	jurov you wanna mm that ?
15:46	jurov	haha why not?
15:46	mircea_popescu	lol
15:46	mircea_popescu	you have significant atc holdings and the ability to make deliveries ?
15:47	jurov	no :(
15:47	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456019.msg5039363#msg5039363
15:47	ozbot	Creating my own bitcoin bank
15:47	mircea_popescu	"A bank isn't something you start on a whim after drawing a doodle on a napkin"
15:47	mircea_popescu	sez mpoe-pr
15:47	mircea_popescu	these fuckwits jesus christ. HI GUISE I R BANK H3
15:47	mircea_popescu	. If it's not immediately clear to you why citizen banking is a bad idea in general, I'd suggest paying the first person you can find who can draw a flow chart of themselves, your torso, and a scalpel to perform heart surgery on you; on the off-chance you survive, the recovery time'd make for good reconsidering.
15:48	mircea_popescu	god i love her.
15:49	ThickAsThieves	okay so what signal is it that the forum is starting to like her too?
15:49	ThickAsThieves	we've bottomed i guess
15:49	mircea_popescu	maybe.
15:50	ThickAsThieves	Class of 2013, dismissed!
15:50	ThickAsThieves	time to educate a new bubble
15:50	mircea_popescu	that must be it
15:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 399 @ 0.00300233 = 1.1979 BTC [-] {13}
15:50	pankkake	no glowing ignore makes minds more open?
15:51	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg5030535#msg5030535 << check it out
15:51	ThickAsThieves	oh yeah, howd she lose that?
15:51	mircea_popescu	people are like pointing cubes and so on
15:51	punkman	related: http://thebcbank.com/
15:51	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no idea
15:51	pankkake	because thermos can't fix the forum
15:51	mircea_popescu	punkman a wonder they missed out on adding thc in there
15:52	mircea_popescu	"home bitcoin simple trustworthy"
15:52	punkman	not related but BTC Bank is a thing: http://btcbank.com/
15:52	mircea_popescu	i rue the day i'll end up in a car filled with buttons labeled conveniently "easy" "simple" "fun" etc for my convenience.
15:52	mircea_popescu	who runs it ?
15:52	punkman	maybe they could make some money suing US companies with BTC in their name
15:53	ozbot	[SHA256] Altcoin
15:53	ThickAsThieves	lol ozbot
15:53	mircea_popescu	punkman oh i c. yeah.
15:55	jurov	maybe i said it already but still, how will the OS work in 50 years?
15:55	KRS-One	wait..wut
15:55	jurov	1. linux will ahve one button "Do What I Mean"
15:55	punkman	if you would please scroll down to "Close Buisness Button" on thebcbank.com
15:55	jurov	2. windows will have one button "Make Me Happy"
15:55	davout	punkman: this part is brilliant
15:55	jurov	3. mac will have no button at all
15:56	davout	just below "Apporval Escillation"
15:56	mircea_popescu	jurov why, operated by anal dildo ?
15:56	mircea_popescu	davout you're making this shit up rite ?
15:56	davout	see for yourself
15:56	davout	how can this be
15:56	mircea_popescu	for the love of odesk already
15:56	davout	what did we do
15:57	mircea_popescu	why are children allowed out of the mines again ?
15:57	mircea_popescu	i tell you, i read those stories about x company using forced child labour and my only two thoughts are
15:57	punkman	they will soon be in the bitcoin mines again
15:57	davout	"Your balance : 5 POTATOES"
15:57	mircea_popescu	a. i bet you they don't whip them nearly enough and b. why the fuck aren't they doing this to white kids already.
15:57	KRS-One	davout: link?
15:58	ThickAsThieves	"All security and fraud employees have access to immediately begin cold-storage draining of all accounts to cooresponding offline wallets to prevent any further loss of funds. "
15:58	KRS-One	from what I saw of odesk it seemed like a cesspool
15:58	davout	KRS-One: "not related but BTC Bank is a thing: http://btcbank.com/"
15:58	davout	oh no wrong link
15:58	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves mtgox ?
15:58	davout	http://thebcbank.com/
15:58	ThickAsThieves	bcbank
15:58	mircea_popescu	how can that thing lose funds. what funds.
15:58	KRS-One	hah
15:58	davout	mircea_popescu: right below "Apporval Escillation" XD
15:59	mircea_popescu	but hey, at least they say funds rather than founds.
15:59	davout	mircea_popescu: they'll fix it shortly
15:59	mircea_popescu	which you know... coulda been quite humorous. "hello, your founds are losts"
15:59	punkman	"All security and fraud employees have access to immediately begin cold-storage draining of all accounts to cooresponding offline wallets"
15:59	punkman	how do you go from cold storage to "offline" wallets?
15:59	ThickAsThieves	"Layers like an onion
15:59	ThickAsThieves	Nothing is 100% secure. For this reason we bild our systems in layers preventing attackers from accessing data even if they are able penetrate a system."
15:59	mircea_popescu	punkman you're like from the 70s daddy-o :D
16:00	ThickAsThieves	if ur bild they r come
16:00	punkman	is that a good thing?
16:00	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves sounds like they also invented pantyhose.
16:00	mircea_popescu	punkman just meant we have already been wtf-ing at the exac tquote for like 20 seconds
16:00	mircea_popescu	which is the 70s on the information superhighway timeline
16:00	KRS-One	They can speel really well too.. "Close Buisness Button"
16:00	mircea_popescu	o gawd
16:00	ThickAsThieves	lol
16:00	davout	ALTCOIN WAI U NO BUILD
16:01	punkman	I'm just adding to the history archives
16:01	mircea_popescu	bubbld buile
16:01	punkman	these logs are forever
16:02	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg5040231#msg5040231 << the answer, of course, is "because i am 12 and wat is dis"
16:02	ThickAsThieves	pankakke had a gun to my head
16:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 216 @ 0.0055 = 1.188 BTC
16:03	KRS-One	If all security and fraud employees have access to drain the accounts that means everyone potentially has access..am I wrong?
16:03	ThickAsThieves	you are right, maybe it's a scam
16:03	KRS-One	Each user should have a wallet that only they can access.
16:03	mircea_popescu	no because then what banking
16:04	pankkake	davout: trying -qt or d?
16:04	mircea_popescu	davout you know, maybe at some point you should consider acquiring a compiler or build environment or something
16:04	mircea_popescu	nothing ever builds for you.
16:04	mircea_popescu	maybe drop the accents.
16:04	davout	i don't need to, i have an appstore yo
16:05	KRS-One	yeh try another build environment
16:05	ThickAsThieves	altcoin doesnt speak french
16:05	ThickAsThieves	it's true
16:05	davout	bitcoind built fine
16:05	mircea_popescu	you mean it's vrai
16:05	pankkake	depending on your boost version, you might have to revert something
16:05	mircea_popescu	he has boost ?
16:05	pankkake	gécécé
16:05	mircea_popescu	you know, incidentally, we should have french day sometime
16:06	mircea_popescu	when everyone's required to speak french and english => kick
16:06	davout	mot
16:06	mircea_popescu	ehehe
16:06	davout	s/ehehe/éhéhé/
16:06	mircea_popescu	(ehehe cveut dire hehehe en francais)
16:06	davout	or if you speak html &eacute;h&eacute;h&eacute;
16:07	ThickAsThieves	do that on a day the media ends up in here
16:07	davout	pankkake and i shall now proceed to teach french to assets using only yo mamma jokes
16:08	ThickAsThieves	Your mom is so fat.
16:08	ThickAsThieves	oh well
16:08	Namworld	utf-8. No more html entities.
16:08	davout	that didn't work so well
16:08	taub	oh holy cow
16:08	taub	i didnt realize gox hat withdrawl troubles again
16:08	mircea_popescu	s/héhéhé/ĥeĥeĥe
16:08	pankkake	that's one hipster h
16:08	taub	way out of the loop with bitcoin stuff
16:09	mircea_popescu	taub myeah.
16:09	Namworld	Old news taub
16:09	ThickAsThieves	it's 70s day
16:09	mircea_popescu	i just shaved and had my hair cut]
16:09	mircea_popescu	how am i ever going to fit in nao
16:09	ThickAsThieves	lie
16:09	davout	mircea_popescu: just keep the same suit
16:09	mircea_popescu	zing
16:09	davout	:p
16:11	davout	bitcoin-actifs
16:11	mircea_popescu	#bitcoin-hyper-actifs
16:12	mircea_popescu	i checked it for good measure but no one there.
16:12	mircea_popescu	i guess the french don't have assets
16:13	davout	who cares, we have the "french-touch"
16:13	mircea_popescu	what, the plague ?
16:14	ThickAsThieves	turns everyting into mold?
16:14	davout	that's what you hear all day on the radio, "blah blah blah economy shitty, blah blah, but hey, french touch!"
16:14	mircea_popescu	i think the french touch is when the girl is working in the garden and you jump her
16:14	pankkake	french touch is basically some sort of French talent. of course, that talent goes to work elsewhere
16:14	mircea_popescu	and then a few hours later you find dry earth in your hair and get all wtf
16:15	mircea_popescu	Ħ << this is the french capital H.
16:15	mircea_popescu	as you can see, it's on stroke.
16:16	Namworld	French-Touch: 2D12 necrotic damage + 3D4 acid damage + 3D4 poison damage
16:16	davout	lol
16:16	Namworld	Very, very nasty
16:16	mircea_popescu	that's the french kiss
16:16	mircea_popescu	keep your bodyparts straight,
16:16	mircea_popescu	even if the french don't.
16:17	mircea_popescu	also, when moiety comes back we gotta do "moque l'ecosse" day.
16:18	jurov	Ħôtel
16:19	mircea_popescu	Ŵĥ♀ŗŧeł
16:20	mircea_popescu	look ma, i speak thai!
16:20	pankkake	or 13 year old girl
16:21	Namworld	Eh
16:22	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5024602#msg5024602
16:22	ozbot	ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
16:22	mircea_popescu	le win.
16:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30150 @ 0.0008546 = 25.7662 BTC [+] {2}
16:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0008502 = 11.8603 BTC [-]
16:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00546032 = 0.1802 BTC [-] {4}
16:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12149947 = 0.6075 BTC [+] {5}
16:44	moiety	bonjour monsieurs, que quelqu'un a dit tartan?!
16:44	moiety	aussi: http://www.brainwreck.com/lists/792/15-Questionable-Drawings-Found-In-Children-s-Textbooks-These-Students-Were-Obviously-Bored-In-Class/1
16:46	davout	moiety: énorme!
16:50	mircea_popescu	tartarin de tartarascogne!
16:55	mircea_popescu	http://cdn.brainwreck.com/2013/7/10/brainwreck.com_14977_1389736641.jpg herp
16:56	mircea_popescu	i dunno in what shitty country that's the average woman srsly.
16:57	davout	which one are you referring to?
16:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
16:58	mircea_popescu	the one on the right.,
16:58	mircea_popescu	barbie is about 20. the average twenty year old is not built like a flatbed truck
16:58	mircea_popescu	maybe in like south america or some shit.
16:58	mircea_popescu	french polynesia
16:58	davout	lol
16:59	pankkake	both are hideous
16:59	mircea_popescu	yes but only one made a pretense to accuracy
16:59	mircea_popescu	the other's just a toy.
16:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10655 @ 0.00085626 = 9.1235 BTC [+]
17:00	pankkake	left is a giraffe with no boobs, right is a trunk with no boobs
17:00	davout	does it claims it represents the average *20* woman ?
17:00	davout	or just the average woman?
17:00	davout	s/claims/claim/
17:00	mircea_popescu	;;later tell Jere_Jones now is the time when you go "o hello assets, you were right, i was wrong, thank you for advising me even if i was too clueless to understand you know much better than me"
17:00	gribble	The operation succeeded.
17:00	pankkake	and missing the sexiest body part, the navel
17:00	KRS-One	eww
17:01	davout	i just learned a new english word, yay!
17:02	mircea_popescu	davout which ?
17:02	davout	navel
17:02	pankkake	navel, or belly button
17:02	mircea_popescu	aha.
17:02	davout	it made me wtf, my brain had this mental image : https://www.google.fr/search?q=navet&client=firefox-a&hs=l6d&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&channel=fflb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8_r3UqjJK46O7QaMtYGYBg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1262&bih=1255
17:02	mircea_popescu	navet lol
17:03	mircea_popescu	davout i guess you're right, a large part of the problem was semantical anyway
17:03	mod6	aw sweet: http://atc.blockr.io/
17:04	davout	indeed, as hitler once said: "most problems are semitic"
17:05	Jere_Jones	o hello assets, you were right, i was wrong, thank you for advising me even if i was too clueless to understand you know much better than me
		↖
17:06	Duffer1	it's ok bro
17:06	Duffer1	lets hug it out
17:06	Jere_Jones	I resisted the advice, but in the end, I did follow it.
17:08	mircea_popescu	smart guy.
17:08	mircea_popescu	post averted, i was just about to publish a rant about how they jus' don
17:08	mircea_popescu	't listen.
17:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.12246425 = 1.7145 BTC [+] {10}
17:09	mircea_popescu	but tbh much happier this way.
17:09	mircea_popescu	less work.
17:09	Jere_Jones	I'm glad that I could save you some work.
17:09	mircea_popescu	lol
17:11	moiety	so you don't want me to give Valeria Lukyanova a call then mircea_popescu?
17:14	mircea_popescu	moiety whossat and why not ?
17:14	mircea_popescu	o the tiraspol chick
17:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
17:15	mircea_popescu	it's not such a rare body type for white eastern girls. pretty much the true caucasian type.
17:16	moiety	yep, she talks to aliens you know
17:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07325 = 0.1465 BTC [-]
17:18	moiety	it's not rare when you remove a rib or two, no. Aside from that, it's her makeup that looks really out of place
17:18	mircea_popescu	she actually missing ribs ?
17:18	moiety	yeah shehad a couple removed she said once
17:18	moiety	refuses to give actual age
17:19	mircea_popescu	she can't be over 30 can she ?
17:19	KRS-One	if you are a man and have some ribs removed you can give yourself oral..so the story goes.
17:20	KRS-One	.bait
17:21	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m163jrABOs1qdhl8uo1_1280.jpg
17:21	mircea_popescu	see ? you gotta rub the clit a little.
17:21	mircea_popescu	nipples don't do anything.
17:21	KRS-One	I'll try that next time..thought ozbot was a dude.
17:21	KRS-One	That girls ass on teh Saving Abel album revs my motor
17:21	KRS-One	http://cdn.idolator.com/assets/resources/2008/03/61uA7e%2BS4UL._SS500_.jpg
17:23	moiety	KRS-One: that rumour comes from Prince, it's what he apparently had done
17:24	moiety	mircea_popescu: nah, can't be over 30. I'm thinking she is protecting future guesses down the line
17:24	mircea_popescu	haha
17:25	mircea_popescu	maybe she's just a traditionally brought up girl that doesn't suck it, doesn't swallow and doesn't share her age
17:25	mircea_popescu	she just does weird makeup, has boobjobs and ribs removed that's all
17:25	moiety	of course she doesn't, she's been too busy locked in her room piling on the makeup or in a hospital ward!
17:25	mircea_popescu	u jelly ?
17:25	moiety	there is a creepy man version ken .. whats minus bait?! http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Justin_Jedlica_Human_Ken_doll.jpg
17:26	mircea_popescu	whoa.
17:26	mircea_popescu	moiety if you know how to code you can prolly make an irc bot to do men pics
17:26	mircea_popescu	maybe command could be ..beat
17:27	Duffer1	.bloke
17:27	moiety	my coding would probably return pics of caravans or something
17:28	moiety	lol .bloke is good
17:28	mircea_popescu	irc bots are not that hard, you just get a supybot to run and then learn to tweak it
17:29	mircea_popescu	if you're not doing anything else, learning to turn a new trick can only improve your street value.
17:29	moiety	i had started a discussion point bot, to give people things to talk about so i didn't have to drag them through daily conversation so much
17:29	mircea_popescu	you know what a markov chain is ?
17:30	moiety	no...?
17:30	mircea_popescu	hm. anyone have a link handy to that number guesser asciilifeform made ?
17:31	mircea_popescu	aha.
17:31	mircea_popescu	http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html moiety try that, see if you can get above 70% or so
17:32	moiety	kk if you don't hear back from me, i jumped out the window at a 1% score
17:32	mircea_popescu	don't do anything drastic like hurting yourself over failure
17:32	ozbot	Man vs. Machine.
17:32	mircea_popescu	if you must have the negative reinforcement just do humiliation,
17:32	mircea_popescu	post pics with stuff inserted or w/e.
17:32	mircea_popescu	much healtheir on the long run
17:35	moiety	ha that is a neat little page
17:35	mircea_popescu	the "brain" involved is an application of markov chains.
17:35	mircea_popescu	they're famous for allowing computers to fool humans.
17:36	moiety	fuck is that where captchas came from?
17:36	mircea_popescu	nah
17:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-] {2}
17:36	mircea_popescu	captchas come from stupid, this comes from math
17:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05074957 = 0.203 BTC [-] {2}
17:39	moiety	[71.43 think i will stop there.] ty, this is a good example
17:40	jurov	lol that would be proper anticaptcha
17:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.000851 = 28.3809 BTC [-] {2}
17:40	jurov	no humans allowed
17:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12400001 = 0.62 BTC [+]
17:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
17:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00085081 = 6.7214 BTC [-]
17:55	moiety	http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/02/09/42085/dumb-starbucks-coffee-shop-opens-in-los-feliz/
17:55	mod6	;;view
17:55	gribble	#19541 Sun Feb 9 17:54:58 2014 mod6 BUY 100000.0 ATC @ 1.8e-06 BTC ((Want to buy up to 100,000 ATC for around 0.00000180 BTC each, ~0.18 BTC total. Smaller amounts ok too! Must have WoT rating. PM me, lets make a deal!)
17:55	ozbot	'Dumb Starbucks' stupid mystery: Who's behind the faux coffee front in Los Feliz? | 89.3 KPCC
17:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
17:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12400001 = 0.372 BTC [+]
17:57	nubbins`	lovely use of parody
17:57	moiety	the coffee is the art
17:57	moiety	lol nice. so who is up for dumb gox?
17:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
17:58	moiety	you think this will lead to more?
17:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018689 = 0.1869 BTC [+]
17:59	mod6	ok well, guess its order #19542 now
17:59	mod6	cleaned it up a bit. better rate if someone has mpex account and can receive btc through there.
18:00	mod6	(will PUSH)
18:01	mircea_popescu	moiety o hey, you actualy did it ?
18:02	moiety	how could i not?! http://i.imgur.com/3sLaLCp.png
18:02	mircea_popescu	who the fuck waits an hour for a cup of coffee
18:02	mircea_popescu	i don't care it is free, what bummery is this
18:02	nubbins`	who camps outside a store for a cheap tv?
18:02	mircea_popescu	moiety haha over a little more than 6 plays
18:03	nubbins`	i think it's an american thing
18:03	pankkake	coffee is typically a I WANT THIS NOW thing with me
18:03	mircea_popescu	nubbins` but a tv i can see. some poor people save for a tv.
18:03	nubbins`	pankkake, +1
18:03	mircea_popescu	who the fuck saves for a cup of coffee
18:03	pankkake	especially since it comes out faster than tea, I conditionned myself like that
18:03	nubbins`	poor people who like starbucks, that's who
18:04	mircea_popescu	pankkake it's service, right ? the value of a cup of coffee in and of itself is ~zero
18:04	nubbins`	FWIW, starbucks regular drip coffee isn't any more expensive than any other coffee shop
18:04	mircea_popescu	nubbins` what's to like ?! it's a cafeteria.
18:04	nubbins`	tastes like shit for reasons which many obstinately ignore, but that's another discussion
18:05	mircea_popescu	"Despite the popularity, customers seemed confused about what exactly was going on."
18:05	nubbins`	so, bitcoin
18:05	mircea_popescu	"I have no idea what's going on yet i'm stuffing shit in my mouth"
18:05	mircea_popescu	it is beyond me how that entire thing continues to function.
18:06	nubbins`	you'd be surprised how many people have said to me "YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU'LL GET SUED" after seeing some star wars parody shirts we printed for a client
18:06	pankkake	from what I understand it's a place you go to show how cool you are
18:06	mircea_popescu	pankkake wouldn't all that be nullified by a) it being free and b) you waiting in line ?
18:07	nubbins`	pankkake, the feeling of power than one gets from having a very long-winded, very specific drink order plays a part in this too
18:07	mircea_popescu	wait what ?!
18:07	pankkake	of course not you have to stand in line in cool places
18:07	pankkake	otherwise it can't be cool
18:07	mircea_popescu	wait wait. so basically... they want to be me, except with something small that they can understand. it's not "build me a thing so and so and back and forth", which is what execs do all day.
18:08	nubbins`	"i'll have a coffee" is what a prole says
18:08	mircea_popescu	it's "make me a coffee so and so etc", which hey, ceo for drinks ?
18:08	nubbins`	"i'll have a quad grande six pump vanilla one inch steamed breve Americano" is what a cultured person says
18:08	mircea_popescu	i usually say "order me a coffee"
18:08	nubbins`	"order me a triple venti decaf 120 degrees skinny hazelnut wet latte"
18:08	pankkake	lol
18:08	mircea_popescu	well she's supposed to know what to order
18:09	mod6	speaking of starbucks.. i hardly ever go there. but the other day i was like, "hi, tall black coffee plz." then they served me the kiddy cup. im like "wtf!?"
18:09	nubbins`	fwiw these are seriously drinks you can order
18:09	nubbins`	mod6, tall is small
18:09	moiety	mircea_popescu: wait, lmao was i only meant to have 6 tries?!
18:09	mircea_popescu	what's a venti ?
18:09	nubbins`	it's italian for 20
18:09	nubbins`	and thus, 20oz of drink
18:09	mircea_popescu	moiety no, i mean, do like 200
18:09	mircea_popescu	but the italians don't use ounces
18:09	moiety	and re coffee: my first thought was what are they serving? there's no licence and it's free, could be anything
18:09	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: nor do they allow starbucks in their country
18:09	nubbins`	(lel x100)
18:09	mod6	yeah, they told me that, and im like thinkin... 'only in starbucks-universe, when someone orders a `tall` they give you a kiddy cup'
18:10	mircea_popescu	so how do you say tall, grande ?
18:10	moiety	ahhh but but but mircea_popescu ... i'm at 71% lol that won't stick if i keep playing XD
18:10	nubbins`	mod6, the kiddy cup is a "short"
18:10	nubbins`	from smallest to biggest: short, tall, grande, venti
18:10	mod6	*sigh*
18:10	mircea_popescu	what happens if i order insalata caprese ?
18:10	nubbins`	short isn't on the menu
18:10	mod6	when did coffee get so complicated?
18:10	mircea_popescu	mod6 when the us got involved.
18:10	mod6	^^
18:10	moiety	what on earth do they call espressos?
18:10	nubbins`	mod6, when the average disposable income reached a certain point
18:10	pankkake	I've been almost a week without coffee, this discussion is torture!
18:11	nubbins`	moiety: espresso :)
18:11	mircea_popescu	pankkake so have some coffee
18:11	moiety	nubbins`: so disappointing...
18:11	nubbins`	nod.
18:11	pankkake	forbidden by my doctor
18:11	moiety	decaff!
18:11	mircea_popescu	your doctor who is french forbid to you, a frenchman, coffee ? and this happened in france ?
18:11	nubbins`	heh
18:11	mircea_popescu	what are you supposed to do after lunch ?
18:11	nubbins`	drink cigarette tea?
18:11	moiety	malpractice!
18:11	mod6	cocaine
18:12	nubbins`	heh
18:12	pankkake	it's temporary of course
18:12	pankkake	no alcohol either
18:12	pankkake	no sport (that, I can do)
18:12	mircea_popescu	and no girljuice ?
18:12	nubbins`	"The Double Ristretto Venti Half-Soy Nonfat Decaf Organic Chocolate Brownie Iced Vanilla Double-Shot Gingerbread Frappuccino Extra Hot With Foam Whipped Cream Upside Down Double Blended, One Sweet'N Low and One Nutrasweet, and Ice is the longest possible order you could order at Starbucks."
18:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59889998 BTC [+]
18:13	pankkake	:|
18:13	mircea_popescu	half-soy ?
18:13	mircea_popescu	what's the other half ?
18:13	mod6	holy shit nubbins`
18:13	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, milk
18:13	pankkake	so I guess starbucks, with macdonalds, is a place where I will never understand orders
18:13	moiety	you poor soul pankkake how long have you got to suffer this lifestyle?
18:13	mircea_popescu	but that's not nonfat
18:13	nubbins`	skim milk.
18:13	pankkake	moiety: hopefully just a few days
18:13	mircea_popescu	moiety he could just get an enema, but he's too bicurious for that.
18:13	pankkake	left
18:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00085259 = 14.8777 BTC [+]
18:14	pankkake	sadly only straight
18:14	nubbins`	“This is exactly why I only order the Blueberry Muffins from Starbucks.” ~ Oscar Wilde
18:14	moiety	lol
18:14	mircea_popescu	what happens if you go "vodka"
18:14	moiety	gonna make kiwi and apple muffins tomorrow
18:14	nubbins`	confused looks
18:14	pankkake	what would happen if I go to there and ask for coffee, black?
18:15	moiety	sounds like a plan to find out mircea_popescu
18:15	nubbins`	they ask if you want a dark or medium roast
18:15	moiety	they probably wouldn't understand pankkake
18:15	mircea_popescu	i don't think they have one in this town, and likely i wouldn't want to go there anyway
18:15	nubbins`	they actually wonder if you'd like a dark roast or pure carbon
18:15	nubbins`	but they say "dark or medium"
18:15	mircea_popescu	what if you go there and tell the girl "i just want you for the sex" ?
18:15	moiety	i never know if im in starbucks or costa coffee
18:15	moiety	i think they call the police mircea_popescu
18:15	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, they pour scalding water on you
18:16	mircea_popescu	how do they call the police ? "hello officer. vente low fat nutrasour evilguy!!!!" ?
18:16	nubbins`	notably, international starbucks locations all use the same terminology
18:16	nubbins`	so you can go to a starbucks in, say, romania and order the same drink you do in seattle
18:16	moiety	lololololol
18:16	mircea_popescu	but i don't order it in seattle either
18:16	mircea_popescu	so i guess this is true...
18:16	nubbins`	a hypothetical you
18:17	mircea_popescu	that could be a song
18:17	nubbins`	not even mcdonald's provides this level of americanization
18:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
18:17	mircea_popescu	like for a chick with a guitar
18:17	nubbins`	"i guess this is true... a hypothetical you..."
18:17	mircea_popescu	"a hypotetical you darlin'
18:17	mircea_popescu	ridin' a hipopotamus
18:17	mircea_popescu	could order in a hypopotetical romania
18:17	nubbins`	"complex coffee for two..."
18:17	mircea_popescu	the same coffee he wouldn't order in seattle either"
18:17	moiety	i really want coffee now too
18:17	pankkake	I need to find more of the coffee I got at christmas. from tanzania
18:17	nubbins`	know what pisses me off about tanzanian coffee?
18:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
18:18	mircea_popescu	that it spins around your kitchen screaming ?
18:18	pankkake	lol
18:18	nubbins`	no, that you can only buy peaberry coffee from there
18:18	davout	"complex coffee for two..." <<< lmao
18:18	mircea_popescu	or is that the tanzanian toffee
18:18	mod6	haha
18:18	nubbins`	that's tasmanian
18:18	mircea_popescu	nubbins` that's just the italian spelling
18:18	dub	why this talk of starbucks and coffee
18:18	nubbins`	heh
18:18	mircea_popescu	dub because people saw dumb on a marquee and got all excited
18:18	nubbins`	seriously tho.
18:18	dub	if you like coffee you've never been to startbucks
18:18	mircea_popescu	"o, it's our time now!!"
18:19	nubbins`	on average, 5% of coffee beans are peaberries.
18:19	nubbins`	and yet EVERY BAG OF COFFEE YOU CAN FIND from tanzania is 100% peaberries
18:19	nubbins`	and it's almost impossible to find a non-tanzanian peaberry
18:19	pankkake	what's peaberry?
18:19	mircea_popescu	they're probably peeberries anyway
18:19	nubbins`	this is for no good reason other than some asshole decades ago decided "hey, i'll sell all these peaberries as a tanzanian thing"
18:19	nubbins`	pankkake, it's when there's one bean in the cherry instead of two
18:20	nubbins`	http://www.seriouseats.com/images/20110115-peaberry.jpg
18:20	nubbins`	left is peaberry, right is normal
18:20	davout	it looks like potato-coffee
18:20	pankkake	oh… I don't remember how mine was
18:21	mircea_popescu	scam. my coffee was liquid
18:21	mircea_popescu	none of this solid fruit looking stuff
18:21	nubbins`	peaberry coffee is very dry
18:21	pankkake	thankfully you put water in it
18:21	nubbins`	feels like tea in your mouth
18:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00085559 = 16.7268 BTC [+] {2}
18:22	nubbins`	some people prefer peaberry because they've been more carefully selected, but.. shrug
18:22	nubbins`	dub: my first coffee experiences as an adult were starbucks
18:23	nubbins`	then one day i had a real cup
18:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00085631 = 3.5537 BTC [+] {2}
18:23	nubbins`	amazing bot
18:23	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
18:23	nubbins`	just checkin
18:24	dub	I'd die before going to starbucks
18:24	nubbins`	that's a bit extreme
18:24	pankkake	I don't think you are allowed in without a macbook anyway
18:24	nubbins`	^ heh
18:24	Duffer1	ha
18:24	mircea_popescu	o look, davout uses lvmh for a compiler.
18:24	nubbins`	saw a photo once of some asshole with a desktop computer set up in a starbucks
18:24	davout	mircea_popescu: hehe
18:25	mod6	nubbins`: he was there for the lan party
18:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00085654 = 15.5462 BTC [+] {2}
18:25	nubbins`	speaking of compiling, eulora fans are clamouring for a new release
18:25	nubbins`	mod6: lan, lattes and ___?
18:25	mircea_popescu	yeah, i know.
18:26	mircea_popescu	lan, lattes and lycantrophy
18:26	mod6	laaaaaaaaaag
18:26	nubbins`	there ya go
18:26	davout	i'll have a Double Ristretto Venti Half-Soy Nonfat Decaf Organic Chocolate Brownie compiler pl0x
18:26	nubbins`	i have a friend who used to work at a starbucks
18:27	nubbins`	the assholes would be secretly given decaf mon-thurs and regular on fridays
18:27	nubbins`	start the day off with a nice migraine
18:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02761 = 0.2761 BTC [-]
18:27	mircea_popescu	pool rate 373GH/s whoa altcoin is diggin' it
18:28	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you mean that camel piss is so bad people who drink it regularly can't tell decaf from normal ?
18:28	mircea_popescu	i can tell you if the milk is 2% or 2.5% ffs.
18:28	mod6	"i paid $8 for it, it /must/ be what I ordered!"
18:28	mircea_popescu	well then everyone's happy.
18:29	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: it's burnt to char, it all tastes the fucking same
18:29	nubbins`	BBL CHILI :DDDDDD
18:30	mircea_popescu	hey this blockr.io thing is neat.
18:30	mod6	ya!
18:32	jurov	gentlemen, should i happen to end up in starbucks again,
18:32	jurov	whats the the code for proper, nicely smelling, italian espresso?
18:32	copumpkin	"un espresso per favore"
18:32	moiety	i might just go and make muffins now, to go with coffee
18:32	jurov	so far i only attained some unidenfifiable brown beverage
18:34	mircea_popescu	jurov mezzo serbatoio benzina, schiuma greggio e stronzi oca galleggianti
18:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
18:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.124 = 0.372 BTC [-]
18:34	jurov	haha
18:34	jurov	and the other day we went trying taco bell "they rly eat this????"
18:34	mircea_popescu	might take a venti or two in there, not sure.
18:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
18:36	jurov	everyone around here got addicted to original lavazza/franck and he like
18:36	jurov	i don't see starbucks happening here anytime soon
18:37	herbijudlestoids	mornin chaps
18:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
18:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.124 = 0.372 BTC [-]
18:39	jurov	evening herbi
18:39	jurov	had cofee already?
18:39	mircea_popescu	heya.
18:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.19376446 = 2.5189 BTC [+] {2}
18:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.07201922 = 0.9362 BTC [-] {8}
18:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.124 = 1.612 BTC [-] {2}
18:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
18:42	herbijudlestoids	jurov: i dont drink coffee
18:42	KRS-One	people where i live even make fun of taco bell...we call it "taco hell"
18:44	moiety	i have never sampled a taco in my life
18:44	jurov	didn't miss anything
18:44	nubbins`	taco bell sucks
18:44	jurov	*you haven't missed anything
18:44	Duffer1	bro, do you even burrito
18:44	moiety	hi herbi!
18:44	nubbins`	fries supreme is pretty good
18:44	moiety	lol enchiladas ftw
18:44	nubbins`	rest of it is just boiled turd
18:45	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, you have 2% AND 2.5% milk?
18:45	mircea_popescu	some countries are shitty and do 2% and 3%. some countries are beter and do 2.5% and 4%
18:45	moiety	gold top is the way forward in the milk world
18:45	mircea_popescu	i normally drink 6% unpasteurised farm stuff
18:46	nubbins`	we have 0, 0.5, 1, 2, 3.25
18:46	nubbins`	and then various creams and blends
18:46	mircea_popescu	that's shitty.
18:46	nubbins`	i like 1%
18:46	samson_	Dairy fat is good for you
18:46	mircea_popescu	why not just buy some actual milk and water it down yourself then
18:46	nubbins`	because canada
18:46	mircea_popescu	1% really has no business costing more than 1/3 of 3%
18:47	nubbins`	it's highly illegal to sell unpasteurized milk here
18:47	mircea_popescu	derp.
18:47	nubbins`	like, you'll go to jail
18:47	mircea_popescu	see ? shitty.
18:47	nubbins`	like, you can't even buy shares in a fucking cow
18:47	mircea_popescu	shares in a cow ?!
18:47	nubbins`	some farmer here used to sell unpasteurized milk
18:47	nubbins`	gov said no
18:47	mircea_popescu	what, you can't pool your moneyz with someone to buy a cow ?
18:47	nubbins`	so he sold essentially cow timeshares
18:47	nubbins`	entitling you to % of milk
18:47	mircea_popescu	haha
18:47	nubbins`	unpasteurized, natch
18:47	nubbins`	GOV SAID NO
18:48	nubbins`	charged his ass
18:48	moiety	gold top is 5.4% fat
18:48	mircea_popescu	who asked gov ?
18:48	nubbins`	well that's the rub
18:48	mircea_popescu	moiety sounds like a shade under ok. they prolly skim a little to make butter or w/e
18:48	Duffer1	was he not selling it in a bag? that could be the trouble
18:48	nubbins`	no-fucking-body
18:48	nubbins`	Duffer1 this "bag" thing is a mainland construct
18:48	nubbins`	here we do not have bag milk
18:48	Duffer1	:P
18:49	moiety	it's lovely mircea_popescu i could live off it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Island_milk it's just like cream really
18:49	moiety	the cows are smaller apparently
18:49	nubbins`	now ostensibly the people buying this unpasteurized milk knew what they were doing
18:49	nubbins`	but hey
18:49	nubbins`	father knows best!
18:49	mircea_popescu	it's actually kinda unhealthy for kids to never have raw milk
18:50	nubbins`	oh, psh
18:50	mircea_popescu	i guess it's ok if they were breastfed, but anyway
18:50	nubbins`	it's unhealthy to not consume the milk of another species?
18:50	mircea_popescu	nubbins` cows are not exactly another species.
18:50	moiety	a woman just breastfed a puppy to save it's life
18:50	nubbins`	this should be good
18:50	nubbins`	do tell!
18:50	mircea_popescu	the introduction of the cow marked a major explosion in human society and evolution
18:50	mircea_popescu	we aren't human in any sense if that sense excludes cows.
18:51	mircea_popescu	we're a construct of our history, and they're in there.
18:51	jurov	and goats
18:51	nubbins`	how about all the places where cow milk isn't really a thing?
18:51	mircea_popescu	nubbins` those places are real shitholes.
18:51	nubbins`	south korea
18:51	mod6	they dont' count
18:51	mod6	haha
18:51	mircea_popescu	there's a reason europe kicked butt, and that reason has a lot to do with cows
18:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07100005 = 0.213 BTC [-]
18:52	nubbins`	sure, but that's like saying wheat isn't another species
18:52	mircea_popescu	this all aside : it's not unhealthy per se. it's just that the imune system beenfits from the "dirty" that cow milk is.
18:52	nubbins`	sure, yeah
18:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.124 = 0.62 BTC [-]
18:52	mircea_popescu	that's about all.
18:52	jurov	except in times where it got its butt kicked by herds from the east (that subsisted almost exclusively on milk)
18:52	nubbins`	feeding your kid worms is healthy if you wanna go that route
18:52	mircea_popescu	jurov something like that. blood too i guess
18:53	mircea_popescu	nubbins` but see, we're not culturally and anthropologically a thing that resulted from 5k years of worm eating.
18:53	mod6	we feed our kids happy meals and grape soda... so there you hvae it.
18:53	mod6	2 litres at a time!!!!!1
18:54	mircea_popescu	when you say "human" you say that kind of chimp which domesticated cows and then drank their milk and so on and so forth
18:54	nubbins`	i'll have a 2 liter happy meal please!
18:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
18:55	nubbins`	b.mine b.sell b.exch
18:55	nubbins`	b.realforonceinyourlife
18:56	nubbins`	so norway is doing well so far in sochi
18:56	nubbins`	7 medals, 2 gold
18:56	KRS-One	Fkrs
18:57	KRS-One	authenitc mexican food is quite good
18:57	mod6	remember when the medals use to be actual gold, silver and copper? at the last olympics they were just 'coated'. this time I've seen gaping holes in the medals.
18:58	mircea_popescu	whoa what a scam.
18:58	nubbins`	was it last time that the medals looked like CD-Rs?
18:58	mod6	srsly mp
18:58	mircea_popescu	"everyone gets paper medals" wtf.
18:58	nubbins`	KRS-One, authentic * is generally pretty good
18:58	mircea_popescu	yet another reason for me not to compete in the olympics
18:58	mircea_popescu	other than being too old and too lazy
18:58	nubbins`	marginally too old
18:58	nubbins`	there was a 33yo woman today won a medal in snowboarding
18:59	mircea_popescu	what'd i do, olympic shooting ?
18:59	nubbins`	yeah!
18:59	mircea_popescu	i guess that.
18:59	nubbins`	just learn to ski and there's biathlon right there
18:59	mircea_popescu	i can sky sort-of but meh
18:59	mod6	http://www.sochi2014.com/en/news-the-sochi-2014-organizing-committee-unveils-olympic-and-paralympic-winter-games-medals
18:59	ozbot	403 Forbidden
18:59	mod6	wtf
18:59	nubbins`	cut your dick off and compete with the women
18:59	nubbins`	lel @ ozbot
18:59	mircea_popescu	why would i want to compete with women w/o my dick ? that's the only reason to even do it
19:00	nubbins`	well they do a pants-check
19:00	mircea_popescu	why do they keep bundling olymptics with the lame&tard mockfest
19:00	mircea_popescu	is the idea someone will somehow consider them the same thing somewhere sometime ?
19:01	nubbins`	i think it's more because everything is already set up
19:01	mod6	things that make you go "hmmm." The last Olympic games where medals were made entirely of gold was 1912.
19:01	nubbins`	why break down the tables after the boy scouts banquet if the girl guides banquet is tomorrow?
19:01	mircea_popescu	so basically, since i have a bed anyway, some guy unrelated might as well come take a nap.
19:01	nubbins`	sure, yeah, if you're in a hotel.
19:01	mircea_popescu	mod6 100% gold is a problem tho.
19:01	mod6	If the London 2012 Games medals were made from solid gold, they would cost £25 million to make.
19:01	mircea_popescu	it's practically chocolate
19:01	mod6	HAHAH
19:01	mircea_popescu	comes off on your fingers
19:01	nubbins`	heh
19:02	mircea_popescu	nubbins` i wouldn't go to that hotel, cause im fucking cool, being the olympics.
19:02	nubbins`	heh.
19:02	nubbins`	i didn't think 100% gold was a thing, anyway.
19:02	mircea_popescu	and no you can't have my knife, this isn't a cafeteria, it's a restaurant
19:02	mircea_popescu	etc
19:02	mircea_popescu	didn't he say completely ?
19:03	nubbins`	entirely, but yes
19:03	nubbins`	1912, i'd say they were lucky to get three 9s of purity
19:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.124 = 0.248 BTC [-]
19:04	nubbins`	this is based on no research, but i stand by it
19:04	mircea_popescu	nah, you can get infinitely pure gold even on 1800s tech
19:04	mod6	Olympic Gold medals are required to be made from at least 92.5% silver, and must contain a minimum of 6 grams of gold.
19:04	mod6	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_medal
19:04	ozbot	Gold medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
19:04	nubbins`	infinitely? not likely
19:04	nubbins`	99.999% is the best i've ever heard of
19:04	mircea_popescu	nubbins` only limited by your patience
19:05	nubbins`	and bankroll
19:05	mircea_popescu	well eyah
19:05	nubbins`	but still!
19:05	nubbins`	five 9s is, i think, the record
19:05	mircea_popescu	actually, you can prolly get three 9s at home in your kitchen
19:05	nubbins`	nod
19:05	nubbins`	diminishing returns after that
19:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
19:05	nubbins`	i think generally five 9s isn't done often because it's not worth the trouble
19:06	mircea_popescu	pretty much
19:06	nubbins`	altho once you're set up, no big deal
19:06	nubbins`	canada sells 99999 bullion at ~spot
19:07	nubbins`	untold $ to set up that sort of facility tho, no doubt
19:07	mircea_popescu	not really, man. just wash it in acid, piss in the thing
19:07	mircea_popescu	repeat until you're bored.
19:08	nubbins`	i think it would take me a while to get bored with pissing on gold
19:09	nubbins`	wow, they didn't even award gold medals until the 3rd modern olympics
19:09	nubbins`	was only silver/bronze for the first two
19:10	mircea_popescu	gold is valuable, yo.
19:10	mircea_popescu	almost like bitcoin
19:10	nubbins`	btc medal
19:10	mircea_popescu	(fun fact : even at the height at the gold standard, gold was RARELY seen in commerce if at all
19:10	mircea_popescu	most shopkeepers could live an entire shopkeeping life without ever seeing a gold coin)
19:11	nubbins`	but don't worry, stackers, you'll totally be able to use your krugerrands to buy groceries when SHTF
19:11	mircea_popescu	yeah, totally.
19:11	the20year	Ammo is much more useful
19:12	the20year	Just as good as a commodity as gold/silver, but can be used :)
19:12	punkman	cow might be better
19:12	mircea_popescu	i'd totally want to go hunting with a suppply of bullets that's spent the past three years being handled and knocked around in pockets by 5000 dorks.
19:12	the20year	Animals i'm sure could be used, but they're not easily transportable.
19:12	mircea_popescu	prolly shoot myself after the first two hours
19:13	the20year	Most of the guys that I know that stockpile ammo are keeping it in the factory sealed cans. In the US we get quite a bit of warsaw pac stuff that was designed to have 300+ year shelf lifes
19:13	mircea_popescu	yeah, but this is before shtf.
19:13	herbijudlestoids	john hussman is my fav fund manager...every monday he releases a weekly market comment, its a happy read for me http://hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc140210.htm
19:14	benkay	if you're really hedging against needing lots of bullets wouldn't it be better to throw down the cash for a milling machine and buy the individual chemical components?
19:14	nubbins`	i've got my doubts that any bullet would pass through more than a couple of hands after shtf
19:14	benkay	then mill the components into powder on demand?
19:14	nubbins`	benkay, what's a milling machine?
19:15	mircea_popescu	benkay down the same route : wouldn't the best investment be a large supply of keys to already installed cock cages ?
19:15	nubbins`	is that one of those weird things that doesn't work anymore since the shtf?
19:15	mircea_popescu	nubbins` no because it's hand operated by cockcaged slave guys
19:15	the20year	Depends benkay, the components are stockpiled by plenty of people, but not everyone has the knowhow to reload, and most shooters dont' trust other people who reload the ammo
19:15	benkay	no, no. a hand-cranked mill that mills powders into well-mixed other powders.
19:15	the20year	Too easy to doublecharge something and blow someone up
19:16	nubbins`	the20year, that's actually perfect
19:16	benkay	cock cages?
19:16	nubbins`	"i'll trade you 1 bullet for that chicken"
19:16	the20year	The chemical components are extremely expensive for modern powders and highly controlled, or you could buy a 8lb, or 24lb jug of mixed powder
19:16	nubbins`	guy takes your bullet, blows his face off
19:16	nubbins`	then you get all his chickens.
19:16	mircea_popescu	lol
19:16	the20year	The US did that in vietnam quite a bit, filled enemy bullets with high explosives and let them kill themselves
19:16	nubbins`	sneaky
19:16	mircea_popescu	and they totally won o nthat strategy
19:16	nubbins`	^
19:17	nubbins`	well they got all the chickens anyway
19:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC
19:17	mircea_popescu	nubbins` it was mostly desperation, by that point. wasn't that widely employed, but hey. anything to maybe get an edge
19:17	the20year	For what it was, it was pretty effective, granted the US military foray into vietnam in of itself was idocy
19:17	nubbins`	ever try fighting a man who just ate a full chicken?
19:17	nubbins`	he doesn't want to be at it
19:17	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids "are about double the level that would generate historically adequate long-term returns"
19:17	nubbins`	"fuck off dude, srsly"
19:18	the20year	It's slightly more diffcult than people who are nearly starving to death, ala stalingrad/leningrad
19:18	mircea_popescu	i'd say the man is well within range. that's about where i see it too.
19:19	nubbins`	;;ticker --market btcc
19:19	gribble	BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 739.2467, Best ask: 739.248349, Bid-ask spread: 0.00165, Last trade: 739.2467, 24 hour volume: 5719.74300000, 24 hour low: 739.2467, 24 hour high: 742.401237, 24 hour vwap: None
19:19	the20year	I hope the end of CNY helps prices
19:19	nubbins`	;;ticker --market btce
19:19	gribble	BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 696.0, Best ask: 698.499, Bid-ask spread: 2.49900, Last trade: 695.599, 24 hour volume: 12327.09818, 24 hour low: 671.0, 24 hour high: 730.0, 24 hour vwap: 700.5
19:19	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: he is a genius
19:19	nubbins`	the end of cny?
19:19	the20year	;;ticker -- market coinbase
19:19	gribble	(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
19:20	nubbins`	i guess i could have just done --market all
19:20	the20year	chinese new years, from what i had been told it has a pretty dramatic on all economics involving china
19:20	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: called both the 2000 and 2007 top and both 2003 and 2009 bottom (altho he lost out on the 2009 bottom)
19:20	the20year	I know that in my brother's case he's been waiting on $20k+ of materials and the new years delayed it
19:20	mircea_popescu	publicly ?
19:20	nubbins`	the20year, not just china
19:20	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: publicly
19:20	mircea_popescu	pretty good.
19:20	the20year	Yeah, you're right, but china was just noted in this case becaus of BTCchina
19:20	nubbins`	nod
19:20	the20year	;;market all
19:20	gribble	Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "all" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
19:20	the20year	;;ticker market all
19:21	gribble	(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
19:21	nubbins`	--market
19:21	the20year	;;ticker --market all
19:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 610 @ 0.00085181 = 0.5196 BTC [-]
19:21	nubbins`	heh you flooded gribs
19:21	nubbins`	;;ticker --market all
19:21	nubbins`	OR MAYBE WE BOTH DID
19:21	the20year	I give up
19:21	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 669.001, vol: 19663.61274054 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 685.16, vol: 15162.33167109 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 698.497, vol: 12321.14734 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 685.23, vol: 9677.87031879 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 712.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 739.2467, vol: 5719.94200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 687.664329714
19:21	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 669.001, vol: 19663.81537946 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 685.17, vol: 15159.21567109 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 698.6, vol: 12321.14734 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 689.0, vol: 9677.87031879 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 712.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 739.2467, vol: 5719.94200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 688.270486674
19:21	nubbins`	:(
19:22	nubbins`	sorry you guise
19:22	the20year	Coinbase is $720, not too bad, that's typically who we use to get usd to fiat and what not
19:22	mircea_popescu	dudes srsly, you can just pm gribble
19:22	nubbins`	i said sorry D;
19:22	the20year	My brother actually pitched the idea of bitcoin to a higher level manager at DHL, and coinbase contacted him to pass some information to DHL, i guess coinbase has some pretty neat programs for large organiations
19:23	cazalla	yeah well my dad knows the CEO of DHL
19:24	the20year	They need to listen to whomever their top guy in Ohio is then :D
19:24	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: he had one issue in 2009 when he was insisting to stress test their method against depression era data, so he missed that bottom in trade but did call it
19:24	the20year	My brother sends enough DHL packages I guess that they want to start a hub or branch or whatever where he's located
19:24	the20year	herb, this is the fund manager you talked about earlier?
19:24	mircea_popescu	how old is the guy ?
19:24	cazalla	My brother sends twice as many DHL packages as your brother
19:25	nubbins`	YEAH WELL MY DAD IS A FUCKING COP
19:25	mircea_popescu	i bet nubbins dad could be sent to ohio by cazalla's dad
19:25	mircea_popescu	in a package
19:26	nubbins`	no doubt
19:26	nubbins`	anyway, just kidding, if my dad was a cop i'd kill myself
19:26	the20year	he'd enjoy our weather
19:26	mircea_popescu	then he could do a hood jump and arrest putin
19:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
19:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00085067 = 13.1429 BTC [-] {2}
19:26	the20year	How is romania right now in terms of snowfall mircea_popescu?
19:26	mircea_popescu	the entire thing melted and it smells like spring
19:26	mircea_popescu	here.
19:26	the20year	Nice
19:26	nubbins`	-17c overnight here
19:26	mircea_popescu	the rest of the country, well... some snow. nothing huge.
19:26	nubbins`	basically the same
19:26	the20year	I had to shovel a 2ft high ice wall last night
19:27	the20year	Car slid off road today into a guard rail. This is the worst winter I've ever had to drive in
19:27	herbijudlestoids	the20year: yeah
19:27	mircea_popescu	some people from somalia had to drive to kenya or something
19:27	cazalla	we've had heat wave after heat wave over the past few weeks in australia
19:27	mircea_popescu	to get out of the disaster area
19:27	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: um, i guess 40ish?
19:27	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids trying to discern if i should have his history dug up or not.
19:27	the20year	we're gonna hit -17c a few times next week
19:27	nubbins`	maybe all this weird weather is from not burning enough dinosaur mud
19:27	mircea_popescu	cazalla well now we finally know who's causing all the global warming. STOP IT
19:28	the20year	Our record low with windchill so far this year was -50
19:28	cazalla	a few weeks back we had 40c+ for 5 days straight
19:28	nubbins`	fun fact, we have a ton of offshore oil fields here, and they just burn off all the natural gas on site instead of doing something useful with it
19:28	the20year	Is that pretty untypical?
19:28	cazalla	i had to bring my meat rabbits inside
19:28	the20year	Nubbins, you in the US or somewhere else?
19:29	nubbins`	eastern canada
19:29	the20year	No mister for them caz?
19:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07080001 = 0.708 BTC [-] {5}
19:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00086515 = 0.173 BTC [+] {2}
19:29	the20year	They used to do that all the time locally, but anymore they bottle/compress it or something else
19:29	nubbins`	well that would be the sensible thing
19:29	the20year	The compression systems aren't cheap, but i did manage to find one a few years ago that ran off of natural gas
19:30	the20year	so your only imput was natural gas, output was compressed or liquified
19:30	cazalla	the20year: nope but i don't think that'd done much for them in 40+ heat for 5 days
19:30	cazalla	do*
19:30	nubbins`	i have a hard time believing that the compression systems are so uneconomical that the better solution is to just waste it all
19:30	the20year	We have 40c days here in Ohio and that's usually what they do
19:30	nubbins`	makes me wonder
19:30	the20year	I'm sure it all depends on how much gas
19:30	nubbins`	nod
19:30	the20year	the one I looked at took 50% to 70% of the input to compress it
19:30	nubbins`	huh.
19:31	the20year	Specifically, i was looking at building a methane digester and compressing the gas
19:31	mircea_popescu	nubbins` maybe the hassle of getting permits is such that they're just making a point.
19:31	the20year	Compressing NG isn't cheap
19:31	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, there's no such thing as a hassle here
19:31	nubbins`	if you want to plunder resources
19:31	nubbins`	they'll name a building after ya
19:31	mircea_popescu	lol
19:32	nubbins`	"we have height restrictions on all buildings in the downtown core"
19:32	nubbins`	"we are a large company that wishes to build a highrise"
19:32	nubbins`	"lel jk about that restriction thing"
19:34	the20year	nubbins, you in alberta?
19:34	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids http://www.hussmanfunds.com/theFunds.html << why the fuck is he -5% over 5 years
19:36	nubbins`	the20year, east coast
19:36	nubbins`	was married in alberta tho!
19:36	the20year	ah
19:36	the20year	NB, quebec or some such?
19:36	nubbins`	NL
19:37	the20year	nl?
19:37	nubbins`	easternmost province in canada
19:37	the20year	nm
19:37	the20year	i didn't realize people lived there
19:37	nubbins`	...
19:37	ThickAsThieves	https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111
19:38	ThickAsThieves	someone put altcoin in an exchange
19:38	nubbins`	consider yourself realized, i guess :D
19:38	ThickAsThieves	Rawt
19:38	ThickAsThieves	sorry
19:38	ThickAsThieves	r3wt
19:38	nubbins`	a newfoundlander invented the gas mask!
19:38	the20year	cool
19:38	the20year	you were once a british colony
19:38	nubbins`	the first giant squid corpse ever found washed ashore here!
19:38	nubbins`	yes, until 1949
19:38	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: basically in 2009 he mandated that they stress test their method on pre WW2 depression era data to validate it, and consequently missed the bottom. by the time he was satisfied the market had returned to overbought/overvalued/overbullish/rising yields state
19:38	the20year	Payment for fighting ww2 :)
19:38	nubbins`	the20year, we didn't "fight" in ww2 :)
19:39	herbijudlestoids	so hes been essentially fully hedged since 2009 and paying for the puts
19:39	the20year	Canada was certainly involved
19:39	mircea_popescu	this is incredibly stupid ;/
19:39	nubbins`	yes, for sure
19:39	the20year	Granted, many times under control of idiotic english generals
19:39	nubbins`	most newfoundland men of age were slaughtered in ww1
19:39	mircea_popescu	so he's fighting the fed on his shoestring budget ? what is this, the internet ?
19:39	nubbins`	we didn't send any soldiers for ww2
19:39	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: it turns out in hindsight that their method would have worked perfectly but he wanted to be sure
19:39	the20year	Canada - The poland of the commonwealth
19:40	the20year	I meant canada in General
19:40	nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont-Hamel_Newfoundland_Memorial
19:40	nubbins`	anyway, newfoundland was british for both world wars
19:40	nubbins`	mildly funny to see canadian flags flown on remembrance day here
19:40	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/6880f31099d85c43fedb66c430111269/tumblr_mkhcyrDViE1r7ryano1_500.jpg
19:40	the20year	they fly US flags in hawaii and Alaska during our veteran memorial days
19:41	the20year	I guess it's better than flying the UK flag
19:41	nubbins`	heh
19:41	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: well he doesnt really view the "fighting the fed" angle as valid, he doesnt believe QE has any proven mechanism for higher prices and shows pretty convincing data on that front. his view is the rally since 2009 is entirely attributable to the FASB mark to unicorn rules
19:41	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, saved
19:41	nubbins`	;p
19:41	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids a distinction ultimately without a difference
19:42	the20year	fasb?
19:42	herbijudlestoids	;;google fasb
19:42	gribble	FASB Home: <http://www.fasb.org/>; Facts About FASB: <http://www.fasb.org/jsp/FASB/Page/SectionPage&cid=1176154526495>; Standards - FASB: <http://www.fasb.org/jsp/FASB/Page/LandingPage&cid=1175805317350>
19:42	mircea_popescu	the us cook your books authority.
19:42	nubbins`	fasb, flambeeing and sauteeing books
19:42	herbijudlestoids	lots of new blocks churning on altcoin today
19:43	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids the argument isn't that in an actually functioning economy with actual accounting and reporting the virtual equivalent of the fed could prop up prices by printing paper.
19:43	the20year	NL did manage a artillery regiment in ww2
19:43	mircea_popescu	the argument is that in the actual dysfunctional economy as it is, without any accounting or reporting, the fed can SAY it did anything it pleases, and SAY it had whatever effect it choses
19:44	herbijudlestoids	so wut? does that have any proven link to higher stock prices? no
19:44	herbijudlestoids	the whole point of the hussman funds is to invest based on proven transmission mechanisms
19:44	mircea_popescu	pretty much the only way to profitably invest in equity in the soviet us is by being friendly with the us politburo.
19:44	herbijudlestoids	breadth, valuation, sentiment, rates, etc
19:45	the20year	So do you have seasons in NL
19:45	mircea_popescu	that'd be the only proven and conceptually sound transmission mechanism,
19:45	nubbins`	the20year: ah, ya learn something new every day
19:45	mircea_popescu	and i wonder why's he not lobbying then.
19:45	the20year	I'm big on ww2 history, it was pretty easy to find out whether they sent infantry, i was pretty sure they sent something
19:46	nubbins`	yeah
19:46	nubbins`	there were entire communities here essentially wiped out by ww1
19:46	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: you might like this article http://hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc100823.htm
19:47	the20year	Yeah , that was pretty common with commonwealth troops during WW1. All the colonies got screwed by England when they started having manpower shortgages
19:48	the20year	Australia had sometimes similarissues, but more canadians were involved in events like passendale and the somme that obliterated large division sized units
19:49	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: yo you around?
19:49	the20year	And they kind of had the similar opinion/use of commonwealth troops during ww2, just look at dieppe
19:49	nubbins`	yeah, there's some connection between newfoundland and passchendaele
19:49	nubbins`	the details escape me
19:50	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids his model is fundamentally broken. the relative prices of currencies are to a large degree fixed politically.
19:51	the20year	67k deaths, 150k wounded just abotu for canada and australia each
19:51	the20year	4.5m total aussies at that time, 7.5m canadians at that time
19:51	nubbins`	war: not so much of a lel
19:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20185 @ 0.00085153 = 17.1881 BTC [+] {2}
19:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1510 @ 0.00019 = 0.2869 BTC [+] {3}
19:54	ThickAsThieves	<herbijudlestoids> ThickAsThieves: yo you around? --- for a few minutes or so
19:56	herbijudlestoids	damnit, i forgot what i was going to ask you lol
19:56	herbijudlestoids	oh right, is there a blockchain explorer up for altcoin?
19:57	mircea_popescu	yes.
19:57	mircea_popescu	atc.blockr.io
19:58	ThickAsThieves	i'm rolling the dice and sending some btc to this exchange
19:58	ThickAsThieves	the guy seems to have a history of outing scammers
19:58	ThickAsThieves	maybe he's okay
19:59	herbijudlestoids	thx.
19:59	Duffer1	to r3wt?
19:59	ThickAsThieves	yeah
19:59	mircea_popescu	what's the exchange ?
19:59	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust r3wt
19:59	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never
19:59	ThickAsThieves	https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111
19:59	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so tell him to get in the wot first
19:59	mircea_popescu	if he does your chances just improved 10x
19:59	BingoBoingo	r3wt doesn't exactly have a history himself of being reliable...
19:59	Duffer1	he scammed some guys he devd a coin for by premining the shit out of it
20:00	Duffer1	but manned up and apologized on the forums, hasn't changed his ID
20:00	mircea_popescu	he's like 19 n'est pas ?
20:00	nubbins`	that's essentially an adult
20:00	herbijudlestoids	herbi haz found 0 blox :(
20:01	mircea_popescu	nubbins` only for fucking.
20:01	ThickAsThieves	okay i asked him to join
20:01	ThickAsThieves	we shall see
20:02	nubbins`	http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/09/world/europe/denmark-zoo-giraffe/
20:03	ThickAsThieves	<Duffer1> he scammed some guys he devd a coin for by premining the shit out of it --- isnt this like impossible to get away with?
20:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19215 @ 0.00085181 = 16.3675 BTC [+]
20:04	Duffer1	he claimed some technicality in their agreement or some such nonsense
20:04	mircea_popescu	he basically figured the op is retarded
20:05	ThickAsThieves	well get them all in wot and we'll see who weighs what
20:05	Duffer1	this was a few month ago at least
20:05	ThickAsThieves	which reminds me
20:05	ThickAsThieves	shameless request that anyone who hasnt rated me and has good reason to, please do
20:05	mircea_popescu	which wasn't that far off, the op went into a hysteria of nutty posting
20:06	ThickAsThieves	;;gettrust thickasthieves
20:06	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user thickasthieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=thickasthieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thickasthieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
20:06	nubbins`	lel
20:06	nubbins`	nice graph
20:08	nubbins`	http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/crack-pipe-vending-machines-a-boon-to-vancouver-users/article16769973/?cmpid=rss1
20:09	benkay	babeface walked into a sharp thing on my mother's pilates reformer last night, and then went running/sledding drunk and naked in the snow afterwards. now she's dancing around the apartment wincing and cursing whenever she lands on the bum leg.
20:09	benkay	it's lolarious.
20:12	moiety	ThickAsThieves: don't
20:12	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Only in Canada where your Mayors endorse them
20:13	nubbins`	just one mayor
20:13	nubbins`	anyway, 25 cents for a crack pipe
20:13	nubbins`	not a bad deal
20:13	mircea_popescu	benkay you know you'll eventually have to put up a feed.
20:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.000475 = 0.475 BTC [+] {2}
20:14	nubbins`	people piss and moan about "oh this just enables/encourages etc"
20:14	nubbins`	bullshit
20:14	nubbins`	"pipes are a quarter? maybe i'll try smoking rocks"
20:14	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Just one Mayor that has been Caught. Eventually your Marion Berry will find their Kwame Killpatrick
20:15	nubbins`	my who and their who?
20:15	benkay	nubbins`: how can you be cool with crack pipes and not pmbs?
20:15	nubbins`	benkay, i'll leave that as an exercise to the reader
20:15	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: DC Mayor and Detroit Mayor, both liked crack
20:15	nubbins`	you seem smart, you should be able to figure it out :D
20:15	nubbins`	BingoBoingo, ah :D
20:15	benkay	nubbins`: what, crack addicts are addicted already?
20:16	ThickAsThieves	<moiety> ThickAsThieves: don't what?
20:16	benkay	i seriously do not get it. consider it a flaw of youth, and this your opportunity to larn me a thing.
20:16	nubbins`	you just posed a tautology as a question
20:16	nubbins`	benkay: we have free universal healthcare here in canada.
20:16	nubbins`	know what's cheaper than AIDS treatment?
20:16	nubbins`	a 25 cent crack pipe.
20:17	benkay	doesn't really address the heroin side of things, though.
20:17	nubbins`	sure
20:17	moiety	ThickAsThieves: i mean r3wt. just don't.
20:17	benkay	but mitigates i guess?
20:17	ThickAsThieves	oh
20:17	nubbins`	there's a supervised injection site in downtown vancouver
20:17	nubbins`	same thing.
20:17	nubbins`	junkies using dirty needles = healthcare burden
20:17	nubbins`	plus, outreach
20:18	benkay	no to be flip but idiots with btc = scam burden
20:18	moiety	junkies. = healthcare burden
20:18	nubbins`	some junkie goes to Insite to shoot up, not only does he not give himself hep/aids, but he's now in a room with people who can encourage him to seek treatment
20:18	nubbins`	moiety: not necessarily
20:18	nubbins`	and even then, there are degrees
20:19	moiety	how? they are using healthcare, if not for their habit, for the issues it brings them later down the line
20:19	nubbins`	okay, but everyone is using healthcare
20:19	moiety	yep
20:19	moiety	some more than others
20:19	nubbins`	yes
20:19	nubbins`	the guy with hep c, for example, vs the guy without
20:19	nubbins`	or, put another way, the guy who shared a needle vs the guy who got a clean one
20:20	nubbins`	junkies are going to shoot up whether they have clean digs or not
20:20	moiety	or any guy using a needle clean or dirty vs a guy who doesn't
20:20	moiety	which is a burden
20:20	benkay	everyone's a burden on healthcare, moiety. idiots who eat too many carbs and develop diabetes are vastly more expensive than junkies.
20:20	nubbins`	the purpose of safe injection sites is to prevent junkies from getting hep c and try to get them to clean up
20:20	moiety	totally agree with you there benkay
20:22	nubbins`	anyway, the big mistake people make is thinking that safe injection sites, free crack pipes etc "enable" drug users
20:22	nubbins`	which is laughable
20:22	moiety	it is, if they want it they will get it
20:22	nubbins`	exactly.
20:23	nubbins`	social conservatives struggle with this concept
20:23	moiety	cleaner practice is always the ideal
20:23	nubbins`	76% of vancouver residents support the existence of Insite
20:24	nubbins`	think about that: THREE QUARTERS of a major metropolitan city would rather the junkies have a safe, clean place to shoot up
20:24	moiety	i think 100% would rather not see them staggering/laying around places either
20:25	nubbins`	oh, sure
20:25	moiety	this way, they are contained too
20:25	nubbins`	the other side is dirty needles
20:25	nubbins`	you want 'em in the streets or in a sharps container?
20:26	moiety	you get a lot here
20:26	benkay	just a short slide from locking all of the undesireables up in crappy hi-rises. i endorse.
20:26	benkay	"have some tv, water, food-paste, sharps, internet. go to town, kids! just don't leave the tower."
20:26	nubbins`	they busted a house across the street from a dive bar i frequent some months ago
20:26	nubbins`	found a GOLF BAG full of dirty needles
20:27	nubbins`	FULL.
20:27	mircea_popescu	<nubbins`> junkies are going to shoot up whether they have clean digs or not << the solution isn't to let them do w/e they want cause otherwise they hold their breath
20:27	mircea_popescu	the solution is to not provide any healthcare out of public funds for any drug user.
20:27	mircea_popescu	you ever used drugs in your life ? tough. gotta pay now.
20:27	dub	thats more expensive
20:27	nubbins`	that's only a solution in la-la land
20:28	mircea_popescu	no, it's a solution in reality. the lala land is the presumption that anyone is worth something.
20:28	dub	dead body in the gutter causes more problems
20:28	nubbins`	^
20:28	dub	costs more than healthcare etc
20:28	mircea_popescu	while recent tech boom allowed such nonsense be financed by squandering resources that'd have been better used elsewhere,
20:28	mircea_popescu	overall the gravy train is going away
20:28	nubbins`	so how do you determine if someone has "ever" used drugs
20:28	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you test em
20:28	dub	its kinda like the argument for not fucing up the environment then dealing with it later
20:28	nubbins`	test them for what?
20:28	dub	oh wait
20:29	mircea_popescu	for your definiton of drugs
20:29	nubbins`	know what's cheaper than a drug test?
20:29	nubbins`	a 25 cent crack pipe.
20:29	mircea_popescu	i don't give a shit really.
20:29	dub	know whats mostly untestable
20:29	nubbins`	lsd?
20:29	mircea_popescu	dub no it's not. you telling me a heroin addict is untestable for junk ?
20:29	dub	after a matter of days, yes
20:29	mircea_popescu	IF he waits a few days
20:29	mircea_popescu	then no prejudice.
20:30	dub	stupid argument anyway
20:30	mircea_popescu	hah. stop sidestepping.
20:30	dub	its like arguing that prostitution be illegal
20:30	mircea_popescu	no, it's not at all like that.
20:31	dub	people are going to do it, there is an efficient way to deal and its not filling up jails
20:31	mircea_popescu	you can afford drugs, you can afford to pay the hospital bill.
20:31	mircea_popescu	do your math and make up your choices.
20:31	nubbins`	well that's the thing
20:31	dub	or exterminating people or whatever your solution is
20:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07950001 = 0.159 BTC [+]
20:31	nubbins`	there isn't an "Afford drugs"
20:31	mircea_popescu	dub there's no "dealing". its not your motherfucking job to solve idiots problems
20:31	mircea_popescu	let them rot.
20:31	nubbins`	you're gonna steal flatscreen TVs to pay for a hospital stay?
20:31	dub	if you want an efficient society it is
20:31	mircea_popescu	nubbins` shot on the spot.
20:31	mircea_popescu	you stole a tv ? bang.
20:31	mircea_popescu	next ?
20:32	nubbins`	what's the cutoff
20:32	nubbins`	suppose you steal a loaf of bread
20:32	nubbins`	shot?
20:32	mircea_popescu	bang.
20:32	nubbins`	or just lose a hand
20:32	dub	steal a look at random chicks tits?
20:32	mircea_popescu	there's no cutoff. you're caught stealing that's it for you.
20:32	dub	some would say bang
20:32	mircea_popescu	dub nah, all that bs copyright shit is going away.
20:33	nubbins`	well
20:33	nubbins`	i can't see any flaws in this line of thinking
20:33	nubbins`	you just solved crime and drug addiction
20:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08298893 = 0.166 BTC [+]
20:33	mircea_popescu	you're not "dealing" with people./
20:33	mircea_popescu	you make simple rules and enforce them drastically.
20:33	mircea_popescu	that's it.
20:33	dub	do the maths
20:33	mircea_popescu	okay ?
20:33	nubbins`	not really okay
20:34	nubbins`	maybe for romania, no idea what things are like there
20:34	mircea_popescu	it's actually okay whether you like it or not. a la bitcoin.
20:34	nubbins`	in canada, it's generally accepted that people don't want things the way you describe
20:34	mircea_popescu	nobody cares what people want
20:34	nubbins`	lel
20:34	mircea_popescu	first on the list, the people themselves.
20:34	nubbins`	you're a character
20:34	mircea_popescu	people can want in one hand and piss in the other, see which fills first.
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20:34	nubbins`	the want hand fills first here
20:35	mircea_popescu	da fuck did "want" become a legitimate argument anyway
20:35	benkay	well you're filthy communists.
20:35	nubbins`	liberal utopia
20:35	nubbins`	i can get my doctor to prescribe me weed
20:35	nubbins`	and the government will sell it to me
20:35	dub	you have to pay?
20:35	nubbins`	$5/gram
20:35	dub	thats a bit harsh
20:35	mircea_popescu	anyway, fwiw, in my experience works splendidly. whether you're working to destupidify women, or to build an exchange, or anything else.
20:35	nubbins`	yeah i know dude
20:35	mircea_popescu	simple rules, draconic enforcement, sayonara.
20:35	dub	except its never worked before
20:36	dub	and probably never will
20:36	mircea_popescu	dub far as i've seen it;s the only thing it ever worked.
20:36	mircea_popescu	course people who dislike shit working tend to scream it doesn't work, but hey.
20:36	mircea_popescu	do the gedankenexperiment, as asciilifeform calls them :
20:36	mircea_popescu	you go to class of schoolkids, lay down the rules for what they have to do till next class. whoever didn't do it is beaten till they pass out.
20:37	mircea_popescu	kids will scream as to how "this doesn;'tg work"
20:37	mircea_popescu	six months later ALL the kids in that class do ALL the homework ALL of the time flawlessly.
20:37	nubbins`	and ALL grow up to be normal adults and not psychopaths
20:37	mircea_popescu	and suddenly lolcatting isn't quite as appealing either,
20:37	dub	maybe at the cost of most of thier utility
20:37	nubbins`	here's another gedanken
20:37	mircea_popescu	nubbins` definitely more normal than the current crop.
20:37	mircea_popescu	dub kids have 0 utility as it is now you kidding me ?
20:38	nubbins`	alice takes oxycodone after her back surgery, bob takes oxycodone for the lels. alice and bob go to the hospital complaining of a bum knee.
20:38	nubbins`	which one gets healthcare and which one gets turned away / shot?
20:38	dub	as should be obvious, the better way to acheive your subservience is to addict you to drugs and tv
20:38	mircea_popescu	alice wants oxycodone for her surgery she stays in the hospital.
20:38	mircea_popescu	problem solved. next ?
20:38	nubbins`	hospital stays are a burden on the taxpayer, problem unsolved
20:39	mircea_popescu	dub my point being that you don't want subservience, you want competence.
20:39	dub	yeah wtf
20:39	dub	a bed for everyone that needs pain relief?
20:39	mircea_popescu	nubbins` not quite.
20:39	nubbins`	^
20:39	mircea_popescu	dub who needs "pain relief" when they're stuck in hospital ?
20:39	nubbins`	^ humans?
20:39	mircea_popescu	people need pain relief if you let them outside.
20:39	mircea_popescu	you'd be surprised.
20:39	nubbins`	yeah dude, shit doesn't hurt in the hospital
20:39	dub	havent you seen the matrix?
20:39	mircea_popescu	suddenly it's a well this oxycodone is kinda cool, but im stuck here for a day cause of it.
20:40	mircea_popescu	i guess i maybe don't really need it anymore.
20:40	nubbins`	okay, so you have a herniated disc
20:40	mircea_popescu	so you do.
20:40	nubbins`	your choices are stay in the hospital for 6 months or deal with unbearable chronic pain for 6 months
20:40	mircea_popescu	yup.
20:40	nubbins`	sounds like it'd work in practice
20:40	mircea_popescu	what, you think herniated disks were invented AFTER oxycodone ?
20:40	nubbins`	wait, no it doesn't
20:40	mircea_popescu	tell you what, it's only unbearable cause you're used to being a sissy
20:40	mircea_popescu	pain is eminently bearable.
20:41	nubbins`	well if we're being obstinate, suppose alice has a job that she can't perform when experiencing high levels of pain
20:41	mircea_popescu	of all things it's actually the most bearable. as people die of thirst in a coupla days and of hunger in a coupla months
20:41	nubbins`	or do we just shoot everyone who hurts their back?
20:41	mircea_popescu	but you can be in pain indefinitely and it won't kill you.
20:41	dub	spoken like someone that doesnt know pain
20:41	mircea_popescu	nubbins` tough for her, she no longer has that job.
20:42	mircea_popescu	dub of everyone here i'm the only guy that gets his teeth fixed w/o anesthesia i'd wager.
20:42	nubbins`	okay, so what does she do now?
20:42	mircea_popescu	also probably the only guy to have ever been shot etc.
20:42	nubbins`	jobless and in pain
20:42	mircea_popescu	nubbins` tough for her.
20:42	mircea_popescu	next time she'll be more careful.
20:42	nubbins`	no, tough for the hospital staff she shoots
20:42	mircea_popescu	she shoots my ass.
20:42	dub	pff minor league
20:42	nubbins`	if your ass is in the door, yes
20:43	mircea_popescu	you give alice way too much credit while simultaneously giving her way too little credit.
20:43	mircea_popescu	if she's cool enough to start shooting she's cool enough to take it on the chin and move on.
20:43	nubbins`	you use "tough" like it's an explanation more often than an intelligent person should
20:43	mircea_popescu	because im confronted with "but mommy i don't like X" way more often than any sane person should.
20:44	punkman	mircea_popescu: I skip the anesthesia at the dentist, hate having a numb face for 4 hours after
20:44	mircea_popescu	so good for you.
20:44	mircea_popescu	how unbearable is it ?
20:44	punkman	but it's hard to stay still for the bigger fillings and shit
20:45	nubbins`	anyway, as lovely as this little "kill everyone" scheme sounds
20:45	mircea_popescu	supposedly tooth pain is way up there on the scale.
20:45	mod6	i went without the stuff until i had 4 teeth drilled without it. that sucked.
20:45	nubbins`	tooth pain is a bad one
20:45	punkman	I definitely sweat a bit, not that unbearable
20:45	nubbins`	inner ear pain is tough as well
20:45	mod6	i must be getting soft
20:45	mircea_popescu	mod6 i'm not proposing some never anesthesia bs incidentally.
20:45	mircea_popescu	just illustrating the point that there's nothing unbearable about pain.
20:46	mircea_popescu	it may not be what you want to be doing, sure,
20:46	KRS-One	wut
20:46	nubbins`	so replace "unbearable" with "excruciating" or w/e
20:46	mircea_popescu	but then again that's not the criteria now is it.
20:46	nubbins`	you're getting caught up in semantics
20:46	KRS-One	pain sucks and i wont bare it
20:46	dub	replace unbearable with 'prevents you from being fully utilised'
20:46	mircea_popescu	eh bs.
20:46	nubbins`	so alice can't get pain meds without a costly hospital stay
20:46	punkman	chronic pain is different, it can really wear you down
20:46	dub	enough to blow your retarded argument away
20:46	mircea_popescu	this utilitartian angle is not going anywhere dub
20:46	nubbins`	alice decides to self-medicate with booze
20:46	nubbins`	PROBLEM SOLVED
20:47	benkay	no nubbins` this 'kill everyone' is the actual plan. all of the above are just implementation details.
20:47	nubbins`	wait, shit, now we've got drunkards everywhere driving cars and beating their kids
20:47	mircea_popescu	nubbins` if that;s what she does good for her.
20:47	KRS-One	nubbins` I think pot is the best pain killer that isnt made in a lab
20:47	nubbins`	KRS-One, but drugs tough etc
20:47	mircea_popescu	nobody said she can drive a car drunk any more than she can have oxycodone outpatient style.
20:47	nubbins`	you should not be allowed to smoke pot unless you are in a hospital
20:47	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: who's to stop her?
20:47	mircea_popescu	you can smoke pot whenever you want, who cares.
20:47	KRS-One	nubbins` alcohol is way worse than pot..you can't overdose on da ganja either
20:47	nubbins`	so pot is fine but oxycodone isn't?
20:48	KRS-One	oxycodone is great anytime of the day or week.
20:48	mircea_popescu	nubbins` pretty much heroin is the only entry on my list of "drugs"
20:48	nubbins`	innnnteresting
20:48	mircea_popescu	your list may vary at your leisure, the argument is list independent
20:48	nubbins`	sounds like there's not much drug use in your town
20:48	mircea_popescu	kids and their pills mostly.
20:48	dub	no, they kill and eat drug users
20:49	mircea_popescu	dub no, they just don't have this "omg what do you want" culture yet
20:49	dub	clearly a winning strategy
20:49	mircea_popescu	so the society is reasonably functional still.
20:49	mircea_popescu	yeah, actually it is, dubsy.
20:49	nubbins`	heroin isn't even really a thing here
20:49	nubbins`	cocaine and pills
20:49	nubbins`	mostly
20:49	mircea_popescu	think of utility in the following terms : people making on average 300 bucks here when rents are on average 350 bucks
20:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3278 @ 0.00019987 = 0.6552 BTC [+] {2}
20:49	dub	it probably is a thing there
20:49	mircea_popescu	go outside the little park in their projects to FIX THE BENCHES
20:49	mircea_popescu	with their own tools.
20:49	nubbins`	i do have to lel when i see people jam most of an 8ball up their nose at the bar and then ask if the coffee is "fair trade" at the shop the next day
20:49	nubbins`	was that fair trade coke you jammed up your face?
20:50	mircea_popescu	people making 900 a month in food stamps and free housing over there hang around the cortners glaring at passer bys
20:50	mircea_popescu	so no, don't be telling me about how shit functions and doesn't.
20:50	dub	heroin is very clique'y
20:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12927 @ 0.00019999 = 2.5853 BTC [+] {8}
20:51	nubbins`	sure, but you take away that 900 and food stamps and housing tomorrow and the city would burn to the ground in a week
20:51	mircea_popescu	anyway, re the list : to be an addictive substance something needs to actually give addiction
20:51	nubbins`	much harder to take away once given
20:51	mircea_popescu	the definition of which is "sudden discontinuation = death"
20:51	nubbins`	so, booze fits the definition
20:51	mircea_popescu	not that many substances presented as addictive actually are in any sense.
20:51	mircea_popescu	nah.
20:51	nubbins`	are you new? alcohol withdrawal kills
20:51	dub	can you name one?
20:51	mircea_popescu	in lalaland.
20:51	mircea_popescu	dub heroin. some synthetics.
20:52	dub	um
20:52	nubbins`	in realworld land too
20:52	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you know = does not mean "in one stray case out of 5498740958609"
20:52	mircea_popescu	= means =
20:52	nubbins`	ah, so kills 100% of time, ok
20:52	nubbins`	i don't think heroin fits that either
20:52	nubbins`	we're back to square one
20:52	mircea_popescu	try it sometime.
20:53	nubbins`	heroin? nah
20:53	nubbins`	i don't like needles
20:53	mircea_popescu	so then wtf basis do you "Think" on
20:53	nubbins`	try asking that a different way
20:53	dub	heroin is not instaaddict stuff
20:53	mircea_popescu	nobody said insta at any point.
20:53	dub	nor do you die when you kick
20:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00085201 = 15.3788 BTC [+] {2}
20:53	mircea_popescu	cold turkey ? yeah, you die.
20:54	nubbins`	100% of the time
20:54	nubbins`	because =
20:54	herbijudlestoids	jebus fuck arguing over technicalities.
20:54	herbijudlestoids	heroin withdrawal kills you
20:54	nubbins`	herb, it's what we do
20:54	herbijudlestoids	clonazepam withdrawal kills you
20:54	mircea_popescu	nubbins` in the sense we rounded 1 out of 5498740958609 to 0 we'll round out of 5498740958608 out of out of 5498740958609 to 1.0
20:54	benkay	welcome to assets, herbijudlestoids
20:54	herbijudlestoids	alcohol withdrawal does not kill you
20:54	moiety	sorry delayed response but what do you think about daily/weekly dispensing then nubbins`?
20:54	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids no no we must have fucktarded 5yo arguments about how the peas aren't really peas
20:54	nubbins`	dispensing drugs or works?
20:54	mircea_popescu	and wantboy shouldn't have to eat the peas
20:55	moiety	drugs sorry
20:55	nubbins`	moiety: beats me, does it work in practice?
20:55	moiety	depends on the aim. we used it to stop people overdosing
20:55	nubbins`	herbijudlestoids: and everyone should eat peas or they're stupid
20:55	herbijudlestoids	yall stupid.
20:55	mircea_popescu	no. everyone should eat peas or they're beaten.
20:55	dub	in theory the programs are to ween you off, not maintain
20:56	nubbins`	you kid, but that's your answer to most problems
20:56	nubbins`	whether the shoe fits or not
20:56	mircea_popescu	it is, yes.
20:56	herbijudlestoids	dub, nubbins` yall junkies? know junkies? watched your mates die?
20:56	mircea_popescu	violence is way underrated as a personal development tool.
20:56	herbijudlestoids	if not
20:56	herbijudlestoids	STFU
20:56	nubbins`	after all, if the shoe doesn't fit, it's because of libtards encouraging kids to grow their feet
20:56	mircea_popescu	nubbins` except the shoe fits fine and the princess is having a hysteria session
20:57	mircea_popescu	cause she's gots to be speshul and couldn't possibly be ever fit by a shoe
20:57	nubbins`	except abstract analogies that don't make sense
20:57	mircea_popescu	god forbid.
20:57	nubbins`	cause no argument
20:57	mircea_popescu	no shoe understands her dragon feet.
20:57	nubbins`	satan allow
20:57	mircea_popescu	this has been one of the best arguments with no actual common ground in which people talking about entirely different things that so far ever happened on assets
20:58	bones6	Autism only arrived after we stopped beating our children. QED
20:58	mircea_popescu	^
20:58	nubbins`	no kidding, everybody's blood is running hot now
20:58	nubbins`	herb even told us to shut the fuck up because he's been there man and we haven't
20:58	mircea_popescu	you know what autism figures were in romania at the time the aids figures were 0.0x%
20:58	nubbins`	100%?
20:58	mircea_popescu	on the grounds of all the aids kids being starved to death in specialised institutions ?
20:58	mircea_popescu	about 0.0% cause everyone was affraid of reporting it.
20:59	nubbins`	ah, cool. how did that work out for romania?
20:59	mircea_popescu	also at the time romania ruled the gymnastics at the olympics
20:59	mircea_popescu	because 15 yo girls and beating.
20:59	nubbins`	oh. so pretty well, then
20:59	mircea_popescu	i can't complain :)
20:59	nubbins`	so this heavy-handed beating-or-else thing really worked out for you guys
20:59	nubbins`	there wasn't any social upheaval or anything in the meantime?
20:59	nubbins`	OH WAIT
21:00	mircea_popescu	hehehe
21:00	mircea_popescu	wait, you're going to tell me that the romanian revolution was over free access to drugs ?
21:00	mircea_popescu	here's a fun little tidbit : in 1991 they had no cop on the force that knew what pot smells like.
21:00	nubbins`	no, i'm going to tell you it was over I HAVE THE ANSWERS STFU OR BANG
21:00	mircea_popescu	think about that for a moment.
21:01	dub	herbijudlestoids: have been, indeed, no.
21:01	mircea_popescu	dub what'd you junkie on ?
21:01	dub	meth
21:01	mircea_popescu	what srsly ?!
21:01	nubbins`	yucky
21:01	mircea_popescu	why...
21:02	nubbins`	because people do things
21:02	mircea_popescu	"well one day i noticed my house was kinda dirty..."
21:02	mircea_popescu	nubbins` let me guess, they experiment right ?
21:03	nubbins`	sure, yeah. sometimes with drugs, sometimes with things that end up being bitcoin
21:03	nubbins`	experimenting is what people do
21:03	nubbins`	like your friend who milked a squirrel
21:03	mircea_popescu	bang
21:03	mircea_popescu	;;bang
21:03	gribble	Error: "bang" is not a valid command.
21:03	benkay	;;lasers
21:03	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
21:03	nubbins`	;;lasers
21:03	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
21:03	nubbins`	aw
21:03	mircea_popescu	nono
21:03	moiety	lolol
21:03	KRS-One	freakin lasers, maaan
21:03	mircea_popescu	;;roulette
21:03	gribble	*click*
21:03	nubbins`	;;sharks
21:03	gribble	Error: "sharks" is not a valid command.
21:03	mircea_popescu	;;roulette
21:03	gribble	*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
21:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00085209 = 5.1125 BTC [+]
21:04	mircea_popescu	there we go.
21:04	nubbins`	gribs got real
21:04	moiety	lol i like gribble
21:04	KRS-One	ozbot is better
21:04	KRS-One	.bait
21:04	benkay	;;gettrust moiety
21:04	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user moiety: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: never
21:04	mircea_popescu	;;echo and gribble likes you
21:04	gribble	and gribble likes you
21:04	KRS-One	Ozbot?
21:04	mircea_popescu	moiety bitch, get in the wot.
21:04	nubbins`	so i'm thinking about the fact that the cops didn't know what pot smelled like
21:04	moiety	i dont ever plan on trading or anthing though
21:05	nubbins`	and the conclusion i've reached is that everybody must have been pretty fucking uptight
21:05	KRS-One	;;seen ozbot
21:05	gribble	ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours and 31 seconds ago: <ozbot> Gold medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:05	KRS-One	fap fap fap
21:06	jurov	;;slap KRS-One
21:06	nubbins`	heh.
21:06	nubbins`	not bad
21:06	mircea_popescu	moiety best be prepared.
21:07	benkay	ah hey i caught my first negrating, y'all
21:07	mircea_popescu	nubbins` everyone still is pretty uptight.
21:07	benkay	guess i'm a big boy now
21:07	nubbins`	;;ratingsystem getrating benkay
21:07	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User benkay, rated since Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013. Cumulative rating 5, from 7 total ratings. Received ratings: 6 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay
21:07	herbijudlestoids	so when i left the house yesterday afternoon, the GH on coinminer.net pool for ATC was ~40. when i got home, ~100. today, ~200
21:07	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, maybe they should have a safe pot smoking site
21:07	mircea_popescu	but to not let the revolution issue hanging : there were arguably a few explanatory reasons
21:07	nubbins`	Insmoke or something
21:07	moiety	mircea_popescu: was just reading up, i'm all for anything to do with gpg
21:08	mircea_popescu	in the 70s they made contraception illegal. the births jumped then over a decade levelled off to the original values. the life of women turned into a nightmare tho. those kids... they pretty much WERE the revolution.
21:08	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: oh sure, i just figured since we were handwaving away complex issues with flippant, facile replies...
21:08	diametric	asciilifeform: i convinced johnny russell to accept bitcoin on ultimachine.com.
21:08	dub	was gonna mine some ATC but my asic blowed up
21:08	mircea_popescu	in the 80s ceausescu got pissed off at the us bankers, paid off all romania's debt. this resulted in horrible restraints on consume market.
21:08	dub	someone musta went bang on it
21:08	the20year	in romania?
21:08	mircea_popescu	people put up with it till the debt was paid, in 88. at that point no relaxation showed up and peeps were enraged
21:08	nubbins`	no doubt
21:08	mircea_popescu	finally, the language was deteriorating under the pressure of bureaucratic formalism.
21:08	mircea_popescu	this may be a cultural explanation.
21:09	mircea_popescu	that's about the set, really.
21:09	nubbins`	like we said, it's harder to change gears once you get going
21:09	nubbins`	be it dropping social welfare or easing restraints on the consumer market
21:09	mircea_popescu	perhaps.
21:10	nubbins`	hey, you saw it happen
21:10	nubbins`	now consider what would happen in canada if tomorrow welfare was 100% abolished
21:10	mircea_popescu	but you can't in any shape or form successfully argue that the current english cultural space anti-intellectualism, anti-voluntarism and deliberate depersonalisation has any sort of future.
21:10	nubbins`	the average canadian doesn't want a revolution
21:10	dub	its ok, romainia has heavy duty 6 puck soviet era ventilated clutch
21:10	nubbins`	no, i can't argle that
21:10	nubbins`	argue, either!
21:10	mircea_popescu	well that's where we'll have to settle.
21:11	mircea_popescu	i'll concede going around beating people isn't a winning strategy
21:11	nubbins`	i'll concede that i'd just as soon kill the pillheads in my neighbourhood
21:11	mircea_popescu	nor something that could ever be done. you couldn't pay me to do it.
21:12	mircea_popescu	you can't even fucking troll this dumbass chan ffs. half hour later people start hugging and conceding things
21:12	nubbins`	hah
21:12	mircea_popescu	it'
21:12	mircea_popescu	s like a fucking utopian society.
21:12	nubbins`	you were a few facile statements away from me asking if you were on the spectrum ;p
21:12	mircea_popescu	what spectrum ?
21:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25697 @ 0.00084956 = 21.8311 BTC [-] {2}
21:13	nubbins`	;;ud on the spectrum
21:13	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=On%20the%20spectrum | Oct 19, 2013 ... On the spectrum. A phrase used to describe a person with social tics and/or awkwardness usually associated with autism or asperger's ...
21:13	mircea_popescu	haha
21:13	nubbins`	it's a phrase here :D
21:13	mircea_popescu	i dunno, i guess i gotta be on the spectrum
21:13	mircea_popescu	it is, after all, a spectrum.
21:13	nubbins`	nod
21:13	nubbins`	we all are, i'm sure
21:13	mircea_popescu	i'm the black or w/e
21:14	dub	you the whitest nigger I ever dun see
21:14	mircea_popescu	i'm not white
21:14	mircea_popescu	i'm just priviledged.
21:14	nubbins`	anyway, full circle, synesthesia has been reported in both lsd users and autistics
21:14	mircea_popescu	nubbins` and artists.
21:15	nubbins`	most of the artists fall into one camp or the other
21:15	dub	is that the audio hallucanatoin jonx?
21:15	mircea_popescu	no they don't stop pushing your druggie agenda.
21:15	nubbins`	JOIN US
21:15	mircea_popescu	dub it's when a chick thinks she can smell your cock because it tastes so good.
21:15	nubbins`	MUSIC SOUNDS BETTER
21:15	mircea_popescu	or no wait.
21:15	nubbins`	dub, shit like tasting colors or hearing smells
21:16	mircea_popescu	it's when a chick thinks she can smell your cock because it hits her in the back of the throat so nice
21:16	nubbins`	if chicks can smell your cock you've got a problem
21:16	dub	I read about a deaf woman who released an album of her audible hallucinations oslt
21:16	mircea_popescu	nubbins` "thinks"
21:16	nubbins`	aha!
21:16	nubbins`	subtle
21:16	dub	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruef7aYCEbc
21:16	ozbot	Smell Yo Dick (Official Video) - YouTube
21:16	dub	^related
21:16	duduqa	hi there
21:16	nubbins`	dub, auditory hallucinations are strange things indeed
21:16	mircea_popescu	besides, cocks actually do smell i'm told.
21:16	mircea_popescu	duduqa ello
21:17	nubbins`	i once smashed a radio that wasn't turned on
21:17	nubbins`	"...oh"
21:17	duduqa	mircea_popescu: hello!
21:17	mircea_popescu	clearly reefer has no ill effects
21:17	benkay	i once worked for a gentleman who when voices were raised above a certain threshold in meetings would visibly lose his ability to read his monitor
21:17	nubbins`	if reefer caused hallucinations i'd smoke it more often
21:17	mircea_popescu	benkay so like a dog ? other dogs barking, can't focus nomoar.
21:18	moiety	auditory hallucinations are much more common than visual hallucinations. more uncommon than both, are tactile ones
21:18	mircea_popescu	dub not bad actually. who's the chick ?
21:18	nubbins`	moiety: lies, i mistakenly think i've pissed myself maybe once every two weeks on average
21:18	benkay	he claimed a degree of constant synasthesia. was also pretty thoroughly autistic. the story was that he couldn't see his screen when voices got loud.
21:18	mircea_popescu	that's just bad childhood memories nubbins`
21:18	benkay	so yes, distracted.
21:18	dub	the deaf one or the smell yo dick one? (i have nfi eather way)
21:18	mircea_popescu	the latter.
21:20	moiety	is this after a massive amount of alcohol nubbins`?
21:20	nubbins`	usually if i've smoked a lot of pot, not always
21:20	nubbins`	i don't drink much
21:21	moiety	thats not halluincatory in a true sense though
21:21	nubbins`	fun story, before the early 2000s there was no recreational drug that was active at the same dosage range as lsd. you bought some paper, it was the real thing or nothing at all
21:21	moiety	its more a perception thing
21:21	nubbins`	moiety, nod
21:21	mircea_popescu	indeed.
21:21	nubbins`	then this class of drugs called NBOMe was discovered
21:21	nubbins`	which were active at very small doses, enough to fit on a blotter
21:21	mircea_popescu	aka "National Board of Osteopathic Medical Examiners"
21:21	nubbins`	all of a sudden lsd started tasting oddly bitter
21:22	nubbins`	and the trips were strange
21:22	moiety	what exactly are microdots then?
21:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC
21:22	nubbins`	teeny tiny caplets, i think
21:22	nubbins`	still lsd, just in a different vessel
21:22	KRS-One	someone told me he microdosed LSD for a while and wound up speaking perfect german almost as if you can learn great things by separation
21:22	moiety	like super string lsd i was under the impression?
21:22	moiety	strong*
21:22	moiety	kk
21:23	nubbins`	KRS-One, i've had legitimate epiphanies on lsd
21:23	benkay	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE5YOVCahcQ
21:23	ozbot	Tosh.0 'Smell Yo Dick' Official Music Video - YouTube
21:23	nubbins`	ANYWAY
21:23	nubbins`	this bitter not-acid was the only thing you could buy for a long time
21:23	moiety	KRS-One: there's a guy in hospital here on a permanent trip, since he was 21 or so... a bad trip. poor guy is tortured and has no insight at all
21:23	nubbins`	it was only when the derpy pirate roberts opened his Ye Old Shoppe that the real deal once again became available
21:24	moiety	people have woken from comas speaking different languages
21:24	duduqa	moiety: wat?
21:25	moiety	people have been known to wake from coma being able to speak languages they weren;t able to before.
21:25	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: you have a very weird perception of the drug market
21:25	moiety	i'd assume these were people in coma in countries other than their native language
21:26	herbijudlestoids	5-MeO-AMT was common on blotter before the discovery of 25i-NBOMe
21:26	nubbins`	herbijudlestoids: i live on an island, what do you expect?
21:26	herbijudlestoids	and the resurgence in LSD has *nothing* to do with the silk road.
21:26	herbijudlestoids	any relationship you noticed is coincidental
21:26	nubbins`	hm, i didn't realize AMT was orally active. has admittedly been a while
21:26	benkay	there's real lsd going around again?
21:26	benkay	i gave up on finding any.
21:26	benkay	i actually gave up on ever trying real lsd.
21:26	nubbins`	benkay: there always was, just didn't make it quite as far around
21:27	nubbins`	after those two guys in the missile silo got busted, i thought i'd never see it again
21:27	benkay	i suppose i coulda found some at burning man but its kinda impolite to walk up to strangers saying "hi i've never actually found real acid and i'm hoping to find some this week can you introduce me to someone?"
21:27	mircea_popescu	"25I-NBOMe has been implicated in multiple deaths in Australia. In March 2012, a man in Australia died from injuries sustained by running into trees and power poles while intoxicated by 25I-NBOMe."
21:27	mircea_popescu	derp. anyone got the vid ?
21:27	nubbins`	NBOMe is no fun
21:28	mircea_popescu	A Sydney teenager jumped to his death on June 5, 2013. He reportedly jumped off a balcony thinking he could fly.
21:28	mircea_popescu	well.... you can do anything.
21:28	nubbins`	i dunno about this whole "thinking he could fly" shit
21:28	benkay	friends tossed him over. told a story.
21:29	nubbins`	^
21:29	nubbins`	i've been pretty fucking high in my time, never thought i could fly
21:30	nubbins`	that's not even sensible
21:30	mircea_popescu	i think i can fly with regularity
21:30	mircea_popescu	usually happens right after boarding.
21:31	nubbins`	and eating lots of bran
21:31	nubbins`	anyone? no?
21:32	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: i realistically doubt you could objectively identify a single dose of 25I-NBOMe from LSD
21:33	herbijudlestoids	its only at 2 dose or above you can start to notice the difference
21:33	dub	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura is fairly famous trip for mkaing peopel think they can fly
21:33	ozbot	Datura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:33	nubbins`	herbijudlestoids: you can tell by the taste. NBOMe is intensely bitter.
21:33	nubbins`	you can tell from a half-hit
21:33	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: whats that got to do with "fun"
21:33	nubbins`	oh, we're talking experience?
21:33	herbijudlestoids	dub: datura is a plant. are you referring to the tropane alkaloids contained within?
21:33	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you know not all peope can taste all bitters
21:33	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: you said its not fun. i said you wouldnt know if i fed it to you
21:33	mircea_popescu	of which there are at least a few hundred
21:33	nubbins`	NBOME is much less visual, and is punctuated by these sporadic moments of clarity
21:34	herbijudlestoids	lel
21:34	nubbins`	like you're at the bar having a good time
21:34	herbijudlestoids	no offense nubbins` but your subjective analysis of what NBOMe "is", doesnt count for anything
21:34	nubbins`	all of a sudden "why the fuck do i feel so sketchy? why are we all moving our bodies like this?"
21:35	nubbins`	no offense yourself, but just because you can't tell two completely different drugs apart doesn't mean i can't
21:35	dub	herbijudlestoids: I suppose your anaylsis of a what a 'dose' is is sound though
21:35	herbijudlestoids	dub: i work it out on approximate basis from drug seizures, so yea
21:35	herbijudlestoids	used to be easier when the DEA had their microgram report
21:35	mircea_popescu	he;s got a numeric method :D
21:35	nubbins`	HEH.
21:36	nubbins`	the other point about silk road is that there were this group of guys called "the avengers" who would buy LSD from new vendors and get it tested in a lab for strength
21:36	nubbins`	and publish the results
21:36	mircea_popescu	so how many sample results did they ever publish ?
21:36	nubbins`	dozens
21:36	mircea_popescu	over a few years ?
21:36	mircea_popescu	dude that place sucked srsly.
21:37	herbijudlestoids	http://www.justice.gov/dea/pr/micrograms.shtml
21:37	nubbins`	there weren't that many different lsd vendors
21:37	ozbot	DEA / Micrograms
21:37	mircea_popescu	but anyway, props to them, nice going.
21:37	herbijudlestoids	go here for real data
21:37	mircea_popescu	where'd they measure it ?
21:37	dub	lol
21:37	nubbins`	maybe four or five
21:37	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, that's what i always wondered
21:37	dub	internet experts
21:37	mircea_popescu	they never said ?!
21:37	nubbins`	not the sort of thing you can just bring somewhere
21:37	mircea_popescu	yes, it is.
21:37	nubbins`	they had access to some sort of lab
21:37	nubbins`	heh.
21:37	mircea_popescu	wtf, they never said where they measure and you trusted the results /?!
21:37	nubbins`	i bring LSD to the uni, i'll expect a knock on my door
21:37	mircea_popescu	how do you know it wasn't just sr sponsored bs ?
21:37	herbijudlestoids	errr nubbins` yes it is
21:38	benkay	oh man i used to read microgram bulletin religiously
21:38	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: errr no...
21:38	nubbins`	dude i don't fucking know, find the thread yourself! it's all there on the forums
21:38	mircea_popescu	im too lazy
21:38	herbijudlestoids	its like $80 to get any sample tested by HPLC
21:38	nubbins`	me too
21:38	herbijudlestoids	guess what, until its been HPLCd, you can claim ignorance as to the substance
21:38	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids would you trust the reported results of anon third parties that won't share where they measure ?
21:38	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: no.
21:38	nubbins`	and they'll tell you how many micrograms of lsd are in your tab?
21:38	mircea_popescu	makes 2.
21:39	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: its an approximation, but yes.
21:39	mircea_popescu	nubbins` most labs in the civilised world will test a sample.
21:39	nubbins`	well i guess that's how the avengers did it then, isn't it?
21:39	nubbins`	everything is a fight!
21:39	mircea_popescu	if they actually did anything.
21:39	herbijudlestoids	you can just say youre a concerned mother who found something in their childs schoolbag and want to test it
21:39	dub	nubbins`: no o it isnt, fuck you
21:39	herbijudlestoids	i know, because i have
21:39	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you claimed to be a woman ?
21:39	mircea_popescu	with whig or sans whig ?
21:40	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: its not a fight until you claim something that is obviously not a fact (for people who know) as a fact
21:40	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: sans wig, over mail :)
21:40	dub	stand back guys he has dones this before
21:40	mircea_popescu	so mail fraud.
21:40	nubbins`	dub, herb is apparently a wizard
21:40	herbijudlestoids	iv listened to you guys spouting all kinds of dumb shit today
21:40	nubbins`	poor guy
21:40	nubbins`	want a back rub?
21:41	herbijudlestoids	id prefer you just verified things before spoutingthem as fact
21:41	nubbins`	i'd prefer if you fucked off
21:41	nubbins`	guess we're both not getting what we want
21:41	herbijudlestoids	k, enjoy your ignorance
21:41	nubbins`	what a tool
21:41	mircea_popescu	i can't believe someone took that seriously.
21:42	dub	this guy was taking shrapnel in khe sanh when you were crapping inyour hands and rubbing it in your face
21:42	dub	aww he raged
21:42	nubbins`	he was taking shrapnel last week?
21:42	nubbins`	no wonder he's so mad
21:43	mircea_popescu	nubbins` seriously tho, it's way more likely the avenger troop was just some vendor/ the sr itself doing pr.
21:43	dub	I thought we talked about bath salts
21:43	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: could be. they did out some frauds tho
21:43	mircea_popescu	did the frauds confess ?
21:43	nubbins`	they vanished
21:43	mircea_popescu	sr would be in a position to see complaints.
21:43	nubbins`	well, the review system worked pretty well too
21:43	nubbins`	"lsd was bunk, do not buy"
21:44	nubbins`	or "nice mild effects" left as a review for 5-MeO-DMT
21:44	moiety	;;gpg eregister moiety 6DF881D6696B6111
21:44	gribble	Request successful for user moiety, hostmask moiety!~smuxi@unaffiliated/moiety. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/6DF881D6696B6111
21:45	nubbins`	there's actually very few lsd manufacturers left, both due to risk and availability of precursors
21:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00085157 = 13.4548 BTC [+]
21:45	mircea_popescu	moiety hey, nice.
21:45	nubbins`	generally your end product is coming from a handful of sources
21:46	nubbins`	a few vendors actually sold pure crystal
21:46	nubbins`	that was pretty rare tho
21:48	nubbins`	"By the time Silk Road shut down, The Avengers had reviewed 60 vendors, rating them on factors like packaging quality, shipping time, and price."
21:48	nubbins`	afaik the forums are gone forever, and with them, all those reviews
21:48	mircea_popescu	maybe it was some kid with a night shift at a lab or something.
21:48	nubbins`	could be. was a nice service
21:49	mircea_popescu	tho, you familiar with the recent mass scandal are you ?
21:49	nubbins`	don't think so
21:49	mircea_popescu	forensic chemist was discovered to have lied on thousands of reports
21:49	mircea_popescu	they ended up having to review ~10k cases
21:49	nubbins`	aha! yipes.
21:50	nubbins`	http://c.o0bc.com/rf/image_609w/Boston/2011-2020/2012/09/29/Boston.com/Metro/Images/State%20Police%20Lab%20Shutdown.JPEG-0be0e.jpg
21:50	nubbins`	she obviously didn't spend all her extra free time buying clothes
21:50	benkay	great way to get out of us jury duty: "i don't accept p-values greater than 0.001, and also I don't trust forensic 'scientists'"
21:51	mircea_popescu	you won't get excused.
21:51	benkay	oh but i did
21:51	nubbins`	heh.
21:51	mircea_popescu	what srsly ?!
21:51	benkay	mhm
21:51	mircea_popescu	you found a judge that knew what p is ?
21:51	benkay	effectively "I will break this jury"
21:51	nubbins`	i was an alternate juror once, didn't quite make the cut
21:51	mircea_popescu	where the fuck.
21:51	benkay	nope. voir dire.
21:51	benkay	voire dire?
21:51	nubbins`	voir
21:52	benkay	the preselection where the lawyers kick everyone out who has an inkling of intelligence.
21:52	nubbins`	yeah
21:52	nubbins`	i made it past that point
21:52	mircea_popescu	well then you got kicked not excused
21:52	mircea_popescu	that i made no representation of.
21:52	nubbins`	it was some domestic abuse trial, most of the female jurors got the boot
21:52	nubbins`	i'm a large angry man, i got to stay
21:52	benkay	ya well see above "great way to get out of"
21:52	mircea_popescu	that i saw.
21:53	mircea_popescu	nubbins` how are you large
21:53	dub	I managed to do somethign to get unpicked at the benkay stage
21:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00546087 = 0.3167 BTC [+] {3}
21:53	dub	quite surprised to have been summoned tbh
21:53	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: 188cm, 100kg!
21:54	nubbins`	i'm not medium
21:54	mircea_popescu	o okay.
21:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00546 = 0.1529 BTC [-]
21:54	mircea_popescu	i never got jurydutied, but i was once in the team kicking you ppl off
21:55	diametric	in maryland atheists aren't allowed to serve on juries.
21:55	mircea_popescu	not sure how well known this is, but esp in the larger trials the jury selection team of a well funded defender may include > 100 people
21:55	dub	I was easy
21:55	nubbins`	diametric WHAT
21:55	diametric	i mean i guess if i wanted to serve it would be easy to fight
21:55	nubbins`	HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
21:55	dub	'you have how many convictions?'
21:55	nubbins`	WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN
21:56	mircea_popescu	nubbins` won't swear on the bible
21:56	dub	it means don't go to america
21:56	dub	ever.
21:56	nubbins`	you're not given the option to take a "solemn oath"?
21:56	dub	best case, nuke it from orbit
21:56	mircea_popescu	dub just accept gizas already in your heart dubsy
21:56	moiety	;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c9f70550bfb1f08e79daa780040970b356f24d938d2411e7d4a9b059
21:56	gribble	Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user moiety with key 6DF881D6696B6111
21:56	diametric	nubbins`: Article 36 of the Maryland Declaration of Rights says I have to believe in God: "nor shall any person, otherwise competent, be deemed incompetent as a witness, or juror, on account of his religious belief; provided, he believes in the existence of God, and that under His dispensation such person will be held morally accountable for his acts, and be rewarded or punished therefore either in this world
21:56	diametric	or in the world to come.""
21:57	nubbins`	when we dragged our dirtbag ex-tenants to a hearing, the only ones who lied through their teeth were the ones who swore on a bible rather than doing an affirmation
21:57	moiety	\o/ think that's me on WoT mircea_popescu!
21:57	mircea_popescu	wd wd!
21:57	mircea_popescu	smart girl.
21:57	nubbins`	diametric: to me, that says something other than what you said.
21:58	mircea_popescu	http://static.tumblr.com/af06dd0807d256dc1dec8abe12cd8f1b/oghd6vg/FBSmgqgxn/tumblr_static_chocolate_chip_cookies.jpeg
21:58	mircea_popescu	there's a cookie.
21:58	mircea_popescu	nubbins` how ?!
21:58	nubbins`	diametric: that seems to say that you can't be deemed incompetent for believing in god
21:58	mircea_popescu	you misread.
21:58	nubbins`	nor shall any person be deemed incompetent on account of religious belief, provided he believes in god
21:58	dub	you missed the provided
21:58	diametric	no it clearly states I'm only competent to serve so long as I believe in God
21:58	mircea_popescu	won't be deemed incompetent for his religious belief if and only if he believes in god
21:58	moiety	woah thats a way better cookie than all these sites usually try to give me.....
21:59	nubbins`	that's saying you can call a pastafarian retarded
21:59	nubbins`	not that you have to swear on a bible.
21:59	mircea_popescu	a pastafarian is retarded
21:59	diametric	Article 37 also prevents me from holding office
21:59	diametric	""That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God;""
21:59	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: nah, they're just having a lel
21:59	mircea_popescu	diametric did you want to hold mariland office ?!
21:59	diametric	mircea_popescu: fuck no
21:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00085048 = 36.9959 BTC [-] {3}
21:59	mircea_popescu	i was thinking... wait, THAT is what prevents you ?
21:59	diametric	haha
21:59	mircea_popescu	lol
22:00	the20year	hmm , i imagine falling during snowboarding and then breaking your helmet isn't good
22:00	nubbins`	the20year: saw that
22:00	dub	no automagically bad
22:00	nubbins`	that was a HARD fall
22:00	nubbins`	backwards downhill
22:01	the20year	Yeah
22:01	nubbins`	the entire womens event was much less exciting than the mens
22:01	the20year	I wonder if they show the same stuff at the same time in canada, i know here it's all recorded
22:01	nubbins`	biggest rotation was a 1080!
22:01	the20year	Always is
22:01	nubbins`	i watched it hours ago on the internet
22:01	the20year	Remember , in china one woman got a comparable score to a man and they all said it was a conspiracy
22:02	the20year	I'd looove to see them do mixed gender sports
22:02	nubbins`	nah, would be no fun
22:02	the20year	Would prove a point to the sexists that women and men are differnet :D
22:03	nubbins`	i don't know if even the hardcore feminists believe that women and men perform equally well in sports
22:03	the20year	i've talked to quite a few who seem to think that
22:03	mircea_popescu	the20year women and men aren't different iyo ?!
22:03	nubbins`	did you tell them that testosterone builds muscle?
22:03	the20year	They refused it
22:03	nubbins`	i uh
22:03	nubbins`	well then
22:03	the20year	Look at how many women want women in combat operations in the US
22:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5919 @ 0.00085209 = 5.0435 BTC [+]
22:03	mircea_popescu	again with what people want.
22:04	the20year	The marines refuse to change their testing methods, army was sued to the point of compliance
22:04	nubbins`	sure, but the US military is spread thinner than the butter on bilbo's bread
22:04	nubbins`	they almost have to take women
22:04	nubbins`	or else start a draft
22:04	mircea_popescu	lol ayup.
22:04	the20year	Not really, as it stands now they can scale enlistment if they play with iring bonuses
22:04	the20year	*hiring
22:04	mircea_popescu	"why turn down pretty much the only people who still WANT to be in"
22:04	mircea_popescu	yeah, budget just got cut for the nth consecutive year.
22:05	nubbins`	"joining the military gave me the opportunities to get raped and belittled that i've been missing my entire life"
22:05	mircea_popescu	nubbins` nine in ten gangbang participants are there voluntarily.
22:05	dub	don't discount the free mobility scooter you get a the end
22:05	mircea_popescu	it's free now ?!
22:05	nubbins`	"free"
22:05	mircea_popescu	aok
22:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 41 @ 0.0055 = 0.2255 BTC
22:06	nubbins`	with the purchase of a one-way flight to kandahar
22:07	mircea_popescu	;;tslb
22:07	gribble	Time since last block: 13 minutes and 52 seconds
22:07	nubbins`	http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/14/4828448/silk-road-lsd-avengers-drug-inspectors
22:07	nubbins`	there's your answer
22:07	nubbins`	http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3387971/reagent_560.jpg
22:08	nubbins`	lel, the reagent pouch says "contains strong acid"
22:08	the20year	Gonna get some video Tuesday of some fantastic properties in central Ohio
22:08	nubbins`	there's a joke in there
22:09	benkay	"fantastic" "central ohio"
22:09	benkay	sounds like a good chuckle to me.
22:09	nubbins`	i meant the image i posted
22:09	benkay	i know ;)
22:09	nubbins`	but that too, i guess
22:09	the20year	it was kind of a joke
22:10	the20year	I've got 3 candidates i'm gonna go take a look at, highest one is priced at $34k
22:10	nubbins`	from what i understand about america
22:10	benkay	coming out of the btc you've raised?
22:10	nubbins`	you can name any place and people will tell you it sucks
22:10	nubbins`	"oh, the midwest? gross"
22:10	the20year	if any of them are good candidates, maybe
22:10	benkay	how much rentalstarter have you sold through your ipo, the20year?
22:10	nubbins`	"the south? jeez"
22:10	the20year	As of now a little shy of $100k in fiat
22:10	nubbins`	"virginias? ugh"
22:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00085508 = 28.6879 BTC [+] {2}
22:11	benkay	;;calc 100000/700
22:11	gribble	142.857142857
22:11	benkay	dang man
22:11	benkay	ponzi.io pulled in more than that in the fifteen minutes it was running
22:11	the20year	I was pretty surprised at how much $$$ they were pulling in
22:11	nubbins`	;;google .io tld
22:11	gribble	.io - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io>; NIC.IO - The Indian Ocean .IO Domain Registry and Network ...: <http://www.nic.io/>; Register .IO Domain: Buy TLD Extension/Suffix British Indian Ocean ...: <https://iwantmyname.com/domains/io-domain-name-registration-for-british-indian-ocean-territory>
22:11	nubbins`	interesting
22:12	nubbins`	;;later tell truffles i wanted to play chess but you weren't here
22:12	gribble	The operation succeeded.
22:12	nubbins`	^ muahahaha
22:19	mircea_popescu	benkay he could have pulled in just as much if he bought his own stock the same way.
22:20	nubbins`	http://betanomics.asia/blog/store-and-send-bitcoin-directly-from-your-brain-using-braincontrol
22:20	mircea_popescu	!t h rent
22:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (4547 shares, 25.00850000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (24033 shares, 132.18150000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (24033 shares, 132.18150000 BTC)
22:20	mircea_popescu	25 btc != 100k usd are they ?
22:20	mircea_popescu	o wait, it's been a week
22:21	ozbot	Betanomics.asia - Storing and Sending Bitcoins Directly from Your Brain using BrainControl.me
22:21	nubbins`	^ almost sent some dust to try looking for the usual holes, realized i can't be bothered
22:23	copumpkin	selling 25 btc for $100k, any takers?
22:24	copumpkin	these are some high quality coins I'm offering
22:24	nubbins`	hong kong dollars, errrrr...?
22:24	copumpkin	nah, USD
22:24	nubbins`	gross, do not hold
22:24	benkay	;;ticker --market
22:24	gribble	(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
22:24	copumpkin	oh well, no high-quality coins for you then
22:24	benkay	;;ticker --market btcavg
22:24	gribble	BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 696.36, Best ask: 701.5, Bid-ask spread: 5.14000, Last trade: 700.81, 24 hour volume: 57173.56, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 688.31
22:24	dub	zimbabwe dollars
22:25	benkay	;;calc 696.36*132.1815
22:25	gribble	92045.90934
22:25	dub	so gox..
22:26	dub	end game or end game
22:26	copumpkin	benkay: there's also a market sell/buy command
22:26	the20year	I don't know what 25btc is over that time period, we're around 140btc
22:26	benkay	;;market sell
22:26	gribble	(market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
22:26	benkay	;;market sell 130
22:27	gribble	A market order to sell 130 bitcoins right now would net 88784.0021 USD and would take the last price down to 680.0200 USD, resulting in an average price of 682.9539 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0708 seconds
22:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06914002 = 0.6914 BTC [-] {4}
22:27	nubbins`	so what i'm going to do is find my laptop charger, pour a bowl of cereal, and listen to bad brains
22:27	the20year	Coinbase price right now is 724/brc
22:27	the20year	*btc
22:28	benkay	coinbase?
22:28	benkay	what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
22:28	benkay	and also good luck getting that price.
22:28	the20year	It should be no less than 720
22:28	mircea_popescu	they actually buy from you at 724 ?
22:28	the20year	Right around there
22:29	the20year	let me see what their price would be
22:29	diametric	mircea_popescu: they do
22:29	diametric	its also locked at time of purchase/sale. I'd be worried about holding your coins in coinbase though.
22:29	the20year	I try to avoid holding anything substantial in there
22:29	mircea_popescu	historically they're very waffly with actually delivering at the price but hey.
22:30	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvQBu7Xu2Jk
22:30	ozbot	BAD BRAINS - Black Dots 1978 [FULL ALBUM] - YouTube
22:30	the20year	I've sold around 600btc with them
22:30	the20year	err, no , it'd be more around 900
22:30	diametric	mircea_popescu: theres the occasional report of orders canceled during a "high"
22:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [-] {2}
22:31	mircea_popescu	or low as tyhe case may be
22:31	the20year	‏‎50btc sold via coinabse would be 35,995.50
22:31	nubbins`	re: this "braincontrol.me" / "coinpunk" stuff
22:31	nubbins`	great that they're trying to get btc on iphones
22:32	diametric	selling 50btc on coinbase will almost certainly be reported to the IRS, and also likely cause a SAR to be filed by your bank.
22:32	nubbins`	but i'm not blindly trusting some random html5 website, for eternity
22:32	the20year	Your point?
22:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12233333 = 0.367 BTC [-] {3}
22:32	the20year	The money is reported to the IRS anyway
22:32	benkay	nubbins`: the point with coinpunk is to run a web wallet for your friends.
22:32	nubbins`	wait, what?
22:32	benkay	not to be industrial-grade wallet for the masses.
22:33	nubbins`	did i 100% misunderstand
22:33	benkay	yup.
22:33	nubbins`	D:
22:33	benkay	it's a zero-trust self hosted thing
22:33	mircea_popescu	diametric the guy is in the business of buying up real estate and renting it out
22:33	mircea_popescu	i'd expect he has paperwork in order
22:33	nubbins`	ohhhhh.
22:33	nubbins`	coinpunk.org vs coinpunk.com
22:33	diametric	mircea_popescu: i would hope so
22:33	benkay	more than happy to forward any comments on security/threat model to kyle
22:33	nubbins`	sort of like wordpress.org/.com
22:33	nubbins`	now i see
22:34	benkay	something like that, sure
22:34	nubbins`	wait, are .org and .com even the same outfit?
22:35	diametric	no
22:35	mircea_popescu	benkay who's kyle
22:35	nubbins`	hah
22:35	nubbins`	WELL THEN
22:35	nubbins`	nicely diluted brand
22:35	benkay	it's impossible to tell, but i'll check with him sometime.
22:36	benkay	kyledrake
22:36	benkay	aka Kyle Drake
22:36	nubbins`	.com looks less legit
22:36	diametric	nubbins`: i mis-read i thought you were asking about the registry level.
22:36	diametric	nubbins`: like literally .org and .com
22:36	nubbins`	oh
22:36	nubbins`	heh
22:36	nubbins`	no, coinpunk.org / coinpunk.com
22:36	benkay	mircea_popescu: http://kyledrake.net/
22:36	nubbins`	starting to think .com is scamming
22:37	benkay	that is a downside to the model - unless you actually know the server operator they can deliver anything they want to your browser.
22:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [-]
22:37	nubbins`	nod
22:38	nubbins`	at least with brainwallet.org etc you can host the files locally
22:38	benkay	but this is similar to the web wallet threat model anyways - don't trust strangers with your bitcoins.
22:38	nubbins`	no such option on a phone
22:38	mircea_popescu	ic
22:39	nubbins`	man, i gotta say
22:39	nubbins`	bad brains is a fucking great band
22:41	nubbins`	kind of amazing that the most intense hardcore punk band i can think of is four black guys who started doing it in the 70s
22:41	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
22:52	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Who needs a phone when IRC is a thing?
22:53	nubbins`	humans :(
22:53	moiety	BingoBoingo: i have been gpg-ing. mircea told me to get my arse on wot. so there i am! didn't even bug him for help
22:54	BingoBoingo	moiety: Congrats. Think how far ahead you would have been should you have tried this when it was first suggested?
22:55	moiety	2015: i might try an order
22:56	mod6	its easy, there is a wiki for gribble :)
22:56	BingoBoingo	Eh, prolly look at the order book and see if there are any you can fill in the next month or two. I mean moiety, Your key could have been 5, 6, 7 months older.
22:57	moiety	i wish everything was command line
22:57	moiety	true BingoBoingo i'm not in any kind of rush mind you
22:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.072 = 0.288 BTC [+] {3}
22:58	moiety	happy reading, observing, drinking in atm
23:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
23:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [+] {2}
23:01	joecool	how's it going?
23:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+] {2}
23:02	nubbins`	i'm going to bed
23:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.07345 = 1.1752 BTC [+] {4}
23:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1215 = 0.3645 BTC [-]
23:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
23:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.00300012 = 0.99 BTC [-] {3}
23:04	nubbins`	nitey nite
23:06	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you didn';t use the magic word
23:07	BingoBoingo	Prolly
23:07	mircea_popescu	joecool pretty cool
23:07	mircea_popescu	moiety so, would you like some atc ?
23:07	BingoBoingo	Should have said sudo
23:08	joecool	mircea_popescu: nubbins` was talking about romanians in OTC so i thought of you
23:08	mircea_popescu	haha
23:08	joecool	not too many other romanians online actually say useful things
23:08	mircea_popescu	was he saying bad things ?
23:09	joecool	no he was talking of some other romanian
23:09	mircea_popescu	wait there's other romanians online ?!
23:09	joecool	that's what i thought
23:09	mircea_popescu	what heresy is this
23:10	joecool	i always assumed they were too busy chasing chickens to come online (i have tried this pastime, it was exciting for an afternoon)
23:11	mircea_popescu	full disclosure : when i was about 5 my uncle told me that ducks absolutely have to be serviced by having their tail turned with a fixed wrench
23:11	mircea_popescu	or else they may die
23:11	mircea_popescu	and so i spent half a day chasing ducks with a fixed wrench
23:12	joecool	seems legit
23:12	joecool	does romania have a tourism agency?
23:12	mircea_popescu	uh
23:12	mircea_popescu	what's that ? like a travel agent ?
23:12	joecool	hm maybe not the correct word, a government PR campaign
23:12	mircea_popescu	a. prolly.
23:13	joecool	"come to romania, our ducks are the best to chase"
23:13	mircea_popescu	;;google campanie vizitati romania
23:13	gribble	"WHY DON'T YOU COME OVER?" Răspunsul Gândul la campania ...: <http://www.gandul.info/stiri/why-don-t-you-come-over-raspunsul-gandul-la-campania-britanica-nu-veniti-in-anglia-update-10528548>; PENNY Market Romania: <http://www.penny.ro/>; Mirela Stelea sustine campania Romania, tara inimilor mari - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNZfS927XVw>
23:13	mircea_popescu	there.
23:15	benkay	hey joecool
23:16	joecool	hey?
23:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00085379 = 11.3554 BTC [-]
23:33	KRS-One	http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/bitcoin-price-drops-as-mt-gox-exchange-closes-indefinitely-20140210-32ap1.html
23:34	BingoBoingo	KRS-One: Should be interesting to see how shit settles with their fractional reserve out of the picture.
23:35	KRS-One	interesting yep
23:35	benkay	BingoBoingo: total shitshow impending. "oh, bitcoins on sale you say? mt gox fell apart and bitcoin is still around? guess i better throw ten US shitbucks into it" waits three weeks "well damn now i need a return on my bitcoins" BS&T v.2
23:35	KRS-One	now a good time to short?
23:36	benkay	KRS-One, BingoBoingo: when gox actually folds, do you think there'll be a significant leg down?
23:36	BingoBoingo	KRS-One: Good time to probably go long 6-12 months. Gox dying prolly removes a bunch of fake BTC and fake dollars. It will take time to figure out what there was more of.
23:38	BingoBoingo	benkay: The thing about shitshows is that it is best to watch the cripple fight and wait to act.
23:39	joecool	imma take the blame for mtgox falling apparent
23:39	joecool	*apart
23:40	joecool	spread some FUD a couple nights ago and it started a run, then they ceased withdrawals
23:40	joecool	exposed: mtgox the bucket shop
23:45	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/
23:50	benkay	mircea_popescu you're just cheating now
23:50	mircea_popescu	a man using his father's sword is not cheating. he is my father, i use which is mine.
23:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21117 @ 0.00085512 = 18.0576 BTC [+]

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