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00:00	BingoBoingo	Perlboy: Based on assbot.
00:00	Perlboy	punkman1, well, see we have been and multiple people came to different conclusions. :)
00:00	the20year2	http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/
00:00	ozbot	BitBet - And Then There Was One
00:00	punkman1	who's this we
00:01	BingoBoingo	^^
00:01	BingoBoingo	Different wee wees come in different sizes and abilities
00:02	chipug	lol
00:02	Namworld	The puts were sold into MPEx bids. Although the strikes were 4100-5000 USD per BTC, the price those PUTs were sold meant it was only at a small loss at time of sale. So if prices went up, profits, if price went down, losses.
00:02	Namworld	No bet about price going over 5000
00:03	Namworld	If price had went up, even if it didn't go to over 5000, the price the PUTs were sold would have been more than their execution value, so the seller would be in the money.
00:05	duduqa	gotta have some sleep, guys, have a nice weekend!
00:05	duduqa	bye bye
00:05	Namworld	bye
00:07	punkman1	Scuola di Assets http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Sanzio_01.jpg
00:08	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1591949/plain/)
00:08	BingoBoingo	!b 1
00:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02829979 = 0.1415 BTC [-] {2}
00:12	punkman1	been nursing this bottle of wine tonight, makes me want to write
00:12	punkman1	but now I'm thinking about painting
00:12	chipug	so many headlines re fancy opening for sochi and very few about the hijacker that tried to get a plane to fly into it
00:13	punkman1	"He threatened to set off a bomb with a cellphone if his demands were not met, but the crew fooled him — and the other passengers — into thinking the plane had landed in Sochi when it was actually in Istanbu"
00:13	punkman1	cool
00:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00527863 = 0.1056 BTC [+] {6}
00:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23864 @ 0.00086257 = 20.5844 BTC [-] {3}
00:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000795 = 0.159 BTC [-]
00:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00086059 = 27.8401 BTC [-] {5}
00:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 362 @ 0.00079 = 0.286 BTC [-]
00:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02757051 = 0.2757 BTC [-] {4}
00:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3328 @ 0.00013285 = 0.4421 BTC [-] {2}
00:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.07341384 = 1.4683 BTC [+] {6}
00:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
00:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.13437496 = 1.075 BTC [+] {3}
00:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.003082 = 0.4253 BTC [-]
00:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.0008 = 0.8 BTC [+]
00:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 110 @ 0.0055 = 0.605 BTC
00:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 142 @ 0.0055 = 0.781 BTC
01:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [+] {2}
01:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 169 @ 0.00078253 = 0.1322 BTC [-] {3}
01:12	benkay`	what's the grand total of rentalstarter sold?
01:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00300517 = 0.1983 BTC [-] {3}
01:26	stevokebar	im seeing 78534-69995=8539 sold
01:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013273 = 0.3982 BTC [-] {4}
01:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 91 @ 0.0055 = 0.5005 BTC
		~ 15 minutes ~
01:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53 = 1.06 BTC [+]
		~ 22 minutes ~
02:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
02:08	kakobrekla	mornin
02:10	benkay`	hi kakobrekla. power and water ok?
02:10	KRS-One	.bait
02:10	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m26p37sj6z1rp8c9ao1_500.jpg
02:11	KRS-One	Thats like my dreamgirl.
02:11	KRS-One	Almost.
02:11	KRS-One	.bait
02:11	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1chkwU3bN1qzgtffo1_1280.jpg
02:11	KRS-One	.bait
02:11	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3upnl0szU1qcmkeso1_500.png
02:13	KRS-One	.bait
02:13	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m42hu7VZTC1qfuc60o1_500.jpg
02:13	KRS-One	da fuq..that one bitch is only half boobin it..
02:13	KRS-One	must be half-time.
02:14	KRS-One	must be half-time.
02:14	KRS-One	.bait
02:14	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyk0igIWP31r1g6xio1_500.jpg
02:14	KRS-One	.bait
02:14	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3a03hfuVd1qhj8a7o1_500.jpg
02:14	KRS-One	http://shouldipanicsell.com/
02:14	ozbot	Should i panic sell ?
02:15	jayk	.bait
02:15	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3xjbqTynb1qbm0ano1_1280.jpg
02:17	kakobrekla	benkay` no :(
02:17	kakobrekla	cold water, no power.
		~ 15 minutes ~
02:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 188 @ 0.00468475 = 0.8807 BTC [+] {5}
02:33	KRS-One	wtf kakobrekla
02:33	kakobrekla	m?
02:37	benkay`	how'd you manage to get online?
02:38	kakobrekla	power generator and a few ups
02:40	benkay`	fuel drops too?
02:41	kakobrekla	power generator and a few ups
02:41	kakobrekla	ops
02:42	kakobrekla	what do ya mean fuel drops
02:42	kakobrekla	fuel i can get
02:42	benkay`	as in someone drops it at your residence
02:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4328 @ 0.00086019 = 3.7229 BTC [-]
02:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12297 @ 0.00085962 = 10.5707 BTC [-]
02:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04897963 = 0.1469 BTC [+] {3}
02:58	chetty	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-07/guest-post-running-away-reality
02:58	ozbot	Guest Post: Running Away From Reality | Zero Hedge
02:59	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53uEPkUxvTM
02:59	ozbot	Midnights Ravers - Le Triomphe du chaos - YouTube
03:02	Vexual	did you buy the godlike generator?
03:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10326 @ 0.00085962 = 8.8764 BTC [-] {2}
03:03	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR_u0JUYxfg
03:03	ozbot	Bob Marley - Midnight ravers - YouTube
03:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22274 @ 0.00085837 = 19.1193 BTC [-] {3}
03:04	Vexual	meowfung makes a mighty fine yanmar approximation
03:05	benkay`	;;later tell mircea_popescu now for a tcp test harness. on one hand, 'yak shaving'. on the other hand, things worth doing are worth doing well.
03:05	gribble	The operation succeeded.
03:05	kakobrekla	no fuel drops
03:05	kakobrekla	http://hugelolcdn.com/i/240652.gif
03:06	Vexual	best gif evar
03:06	kakobrekla	hehe
03:06	herbijudlestoids	hullo lads
03:06	Vexual	i say it with a j out of respect for expert groups
03:06	Vexual	hey herbi
03:07	benkay`	i say it whichever way will least derail local conversation.
03:07	Vexual	i never say it out loud
03:08	benkay`	it's SO MUCH FUN to be technically correct in a room full of hipsters, and similarly great fun to say it the way the rest of the world does in a room of nerds.
03:09	benkay`	not.
03:09	benkay`	hey herbijudlestoids you're some sort of quant, correct?
03:09	herbijudlestoids	some sort, yea, why
03:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00086136 = 9.7334 BTC [+] {4}
03:10	benkay`	well you've stuck around for more than three days and might be worth getting to know ;)
03:10	benkay`	what with your charts etc
03:10	herbijudlestoids	full disclosure benkay, like i said to kako the other day, i got a regular day job in a small company doing large scale openstack ops and iv been trading (mostly EOD) since 2008
03:11	Vexual	brb
03:11	herbijudlestoids	i split my time pretty much equally between them, 9-5ish at the company and 6-~bedtime researching, reading news, etc and then i will place trades on NY close
03:12	benkay`	what's a small company doing hosting big virtualized operations?
03:12	herbijudlestoids	we are first to market in aus, basically
03:12	herbijudlestoids	small now, big soon ;)
03:12	benkay	virtualization as a service?
03:12	benkay	what are your prices?
03:12	herbijudlestoids	full IaaS stack
03:13	benkay	SHOW ME YOUR PRICE SHEEEEET
03:13	benkay	plz.
03:13	herbijudlestoids	we dont provide a public cloud benkay, we build the public cloud for companies that want it ;)
03:13	herbijudlestoids	really?
03:13	herbijudlestoids	one sec
03:14	herbijudlestoids	this is the smallest company iv ever worked for, usually i work for large research organisations and unis building this kind of stuff
03:14	benkay	are you some sort of vine-swinging operations wizard or something?
03:15	benkay	i'll grill you about your biz all night, friend. i just hit a wall on this thing and ran out of brain at the exact same time.
03:15	herbijudlestoids	well, apparently...basically i was just a regular sysadmin who knew puppet, and one large org needed a guy who knew puppet...i ended up deploying the pilot and first production phase
03:15	herbijudlestoids	took off from there
03:15	herbijudlestoids	benkay: how do i get this PDF to you
03:15	benkay	benkay@gmail.com
03:16	benkay	i'm not precisely hiding from anyone, you see.
03:16	herbijudlestoids	sent
03:16	herbijudlestoids	might not be the latest ver but should be close to
03:17	benkay	nah its great
03:17	herbijudlestoids	we got offices in aus and india and starting one in sth america very very soon
03:18	benkay	best of luck, i'm sure you'll all do well for yourselves.
03:18	benkay	i'm mostly curious about how other web-tech consulting operations break out pricing
03:18	herbijudlestoids	that is the plan, weve had a few buyout offers already but have to keep pushing them back as we grow
03:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
03:19	herbijudlestoids	i just developed a piece of software in december and we are going to demo it to ...a very large linux org next week, they are creaming their pants whenever our CEO mentions it
03:19	herbijudlestoids	thx :)
03:20	herbijudlestoids	sooo...lets talk BTC mining ROI
03:20	benkay	no no no no
03:20	kakobrekla	lmao
03:20	herbijudlestoids	because, for amusement sake i have been keeping track
03:20	assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1592159/plain/)
03:20	kakobrekla	!b 4
03:20	herbijudlestoids	and last night i actually noticed there were miners for sale that were ROI more BTC than they were worth
03:21	herbijudlestoids	i found a 100GH/s 28nm miner selling for 0.83BTC
03:21	benkay	well i'm intrigued to hear what you have to say but i suspect the long and the short of it is going to be 'unless you get the hardware or juice at a discount the breakeven is never'
03:22	herbijudlestoids	well i was just curious about your guys opinions, since its the first time iv ever seen a mining rig for sale that was able to ROI since...since GPUs were the thing
03:23	benkay	probably worn in harder than a bike that's been to burning man 5 times with 3 different owners
03:23	herbijudlestoids	specifically, last night i saw on ebay, a prospero x-1 100GH/s for 650AUD when the BTC/AUD price was 780...
03:23	herbijudlestoids	now obviously small fry 100GH/s is nothing but i thought it was interesting
03:24	punkman1	could mine ATC with it
03:24	benkay	i suspect it's a dead box hashing.
03:24	herbijudlestoids	benkay: whats dead box hashing?
03:24	benkay	now there's a thought - downcycle worn-in BTC asics on the altchains...
03:24	benkay	...
03:24	benkay	"dead man walking"
03:25	herbijudlestoids	ah, as in difficulty rising faster than expected will mean it cant ROI? i guess so, the calculation i used assumed 50% increase/month in difficulty
03:25	benkay	implying that the man in question simply doesn't know that he's dead yet.
03:25	benkay	no, implying it's on its last legs.
03:25	herbijudlestoids	but the machines only just came out?
03:26	benkay	is it new in box?
03:26	benkay	un touched?
03:26	benkay	never run out-of-spec?
03:27	punkman1	"Need a C++ coder to join "CryptoCoin Developers Inc.' agency for creating new bitcoin related start up's"
03:27	herbijudlestoids	this isnt the exact one i saw, but yea, sold as new http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Prospero-X-1-100Gh-s-Bitcoin-Mining-ASIC-Miner-New-In-Box-/111270548942?pt=AU_Components&hash=item19e83dd5ce
03:27	punkman1	these folks are multiplying
03:27	benkay	ah
03:27	benkay	well a) it's a pre-order
03:28	herbijudlestoids	nope, check the page
03:28	punkman1	says late-april
03:28	benkay	uh
03:28	benkay	Delivery Date -- This is a PRE-ORDER, now on Batch 2 Round 1, all further orders are available for dispatch Late April 2014.
03:28	benkay
03:28	benkay
03:28	herbijudlestoids	ahh mhmhmhmm
03:28	herbijudlestoids	there is a bit down the bottom where the guy says something about having 10 of them
03:29	herbijudlestoids	maybe i misread
03:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1376 @ 0.00013418 = 0.1846 BTC [+] {2}
03:30	benkay	talk to kakobrekla he's had some luck mining and acquiring mining hardware
03:30	herbijudlestoids	hmm nah i guess that explains it, iv never seen mining hardware good for ROI before and i guess this isnt either
03:30	herbijudlestoids	just misread it
03:33	benkay	hey you guys you guys check out https://macys.com
03:34	benkay	macy's fucked up their cerrrrt
03:36	Vexual	who are you the fucking nanny?
03:36	Vexual	that just came out, im sorry
03:37	benkay	I am fucking the nanny!
03:37	Vexual	lol
03:37	herbijudlestoids	uhoh
03:37	herbijudlestoids	vex got into the vodka
03:37	benkay	baby doll doesn't even care terribly, and boy does she put out when she gets jealous
03:37	Vexual	yeah well bankays still not going near my kids
03:38	benkay	dude you do not have children
03:39	kakobrekla	you need balls for that
03:39	Vexual	ouchie
03:39	benkay	and we've all seen how you play chess
03:40	Vexual	indeed, its evident
03:41	benkay	http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/02070836-isee-3.html
03:41	ozbot	ICE/ISEE-3 to return to an Earth no longer capable of speaking to it | The Planetary Society
03:43	benkay	my partner recently went out for lunch with the gentleman who came up with Forth. he apparently cut his teeth hacking into satellites, implementing Forth with their op codes and then deploying better-than-launched-with flight control software.
03:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.135 BTC [+]
03:43	Vexual	that shit is from way before you were getting newsgroups on a 1.44 or hooking your moms phone up to a 300 baud
03:44	jayk	hrh
03:44	benkay	thank you, captain obvious.
03:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 10000 @ 0.0055 = 55 BTC
03:44	jayk	there was that strange sat transmission broadcasted over america...
03:44	jayk	on tv
03:44	jayk	it ran for 30-45 seconds i think
03:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 9312 @ 0.0008447 = 7.8658 BTC [+] {23}
03:45	Vexual	yeah well ive been hit by lighning twice putting up anttenas
03:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 688 @ 0.00087007 = 0.5986 BTC [+] {2}
03:46	herbijudlestoids	volatility on MPOE, http://imgur.com/MixUdTD ...otherwise known as "why intraday mean reversion is probably not safe"
03:46	benkay	;;later tell asciilifeform http://www.greenarraychips.com/ the greenarray chips begin to approach your dream of computation fabric. they're obviously lacking in some important area, but i'll have to ask you about that later.
03:46	gribble	The operation succeeded.
03:47	jayk	On November 22, 1987, an unidentified man wearing a Max Headroom mask intercepted the signals of two television stations in Chicago.
03:47	benkay	how does this indicate imr to be unsafe?
03:47	jayk	i gues thats what i was thinking of
03:47	Vexual	that wasnt sat, that was 2 square miles of new jersy
03:47	jayk	yeah
03:48	jayk	i thought it was sat
03:48	herbijudlestoids	benkay: that vol spike would be very hard to handle as a trade
03:48	benkay	need more context. what is the index axis?
03:48	benkay	herbijudlestoids ^^
03:49	herbijudlestoids	its the 20 tick standard deviation of 20 tick log normal returns
03:49	herbijudlestoids	so each "index" point is one datapoint in that timeseries
03:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07379869 = 0.5166 BTC [+]
03:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04897966 = 0.1469 BTC [+]
03:52	benkay	i have no idea what twenty-tick standard deviation of twenty tick log normal returns means
03:52	benkay	would you be so kind as to explain a little?
03:53	Vexual	yeah dumb it down for me too
03:53	herbijudlestoids	benkay: ok a tick is a trade
03:54	benkay	yup
03:54	herbijudlestoids	benkay: so the 20 tick log normal return is ln(CurrentTickPrice/TwentyTicksAgoPrice)
03:54	benkay	ah
03:54	benkay	why not time-normalize?
03:54	Vexual	wheres the wazardry?
03:54	herbijudlestoids	and then i take the rolling standard deviation of that value over the last 20 ticks
03:55	benkay	okay, still with you.
03:55	Vexual	i dont belive in stats
03:55	herbijudlestoids	that plot is the rolling standard deviation over the ticks
03:55	herbijudlestoids	you dont "believe" in them? lol
03:56	Vexual	well.....
03:56	benkay	okay, so how do we get from that graph to "that vol spike would be very hard to handle as a trade"?
03:57	herbijudlestoids	"why not time normalised" because MPEX doesn't really seem to operate like a regular exchange in terms of time and also there is not really enough trades happening in any given hour/4h/day block to make a realistic OHLC bargraph
03:57	benkay	reasonable
03:57	Vexual	keyword
03:57	herbijudlestoids	benkay: intraday mean reversion is basically betting against whatever just happened. if the price went down, you bet its about to go up.
03:57	benkay	although i have no idea what an OHLC bargraph is
03:57	herbijudlestoids	"open high low close"
03:58	Vexual	what of 24 hour trading genius?
03:58	herbijudlestoids	like the charts you can see on mpex.co already, i just dont think theyre portraying useful info
03:58	benkay	hm
03:58	herbijudlestoids	Vexual: what of it? New York close/New Zealand open is the 24h close
03:58	benkay	that'd be you, right Vex?
03:58	Vexual	yeah im where daytraders make their money
03:58	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckff_bkA5z8
03:59	ozbot	Calvin Harris - Acceptable in the 80's (With Lyrics) - YouTube
03:59	benkay	so the spike at 400 is a crazy swing in price 400 ticks ago?
03:59	herbijudlestoids	benkay: basically betting against whatever just happened is usually profitably when volatility is high and declining...if its low and increasing youre likely in trouble
04:00	herbijudlestoids	benkay: almost, the spike at 400 is a crazy swing in price at the 400th tick in the timeseries
04:01	benkay	mhm
04:01	benkay	just a month ago, bottomed out at like .69 iirc
04:01	benkay	0.00063 according to my books
04:01	herbijudlestoids	im very rarely a daytrader. i trade almost entirely EOD and dont like to keep turnover as low as possible for tax considerations
04:02	benkay	ha 0.00062792 would be where i caught that knife
04:02	benkay	well trade btc assets! tax free for 2003!
04:02	benkay	this will impact some trading strategies for sure.
04:03	herbijudlestoids	i already went through this with kako
04:03	herbijudlestoids	if i cant repatriate profits its not very useful for me
04:03	benkay	you'll get btc out, right?
04:03	herbijudlestoids	if i take sell BTC to buy AUD i need to explain that to the tax office
04:03	benkay	and you *can* sell those btc for cash in hand, right?
04:04	benkay	only if it hits your bank, right?
04:04	herbijudlestoids	theoretically, but its not really convenient
04:04	Vexual	im your tax man for bc herbi
04:04	Vexual	its easy, but do it
04:04	benkay	ah convenience
04:04	herbijudlestoids	lets say i invest $100,000 into trading BTC assets like MPOE, and i make 10% in a year, am i supposed do $10k cash in hand?
04:05	benkay	well yes, one must always sacrifice convenience on the altar of security. be it security from rogue computers or security from rogue regimes...
04:05	Vexual	you pay when you buy aud
04:05	benkay	what, does 10k CIH make you uncomfortable?
04:05	benkay	do you not have the resources to pull it off?
04:05	chetty	http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2014/02/07/bitcoin-vs-apple-videos-of-users-destroying-their-iphones-proliferate-on-youtube/
04:05	ozbot	Bitcoin vs. Apple: Videos of Users Destroying Their iPhones Proliferate on YouTube | A Lightning War
04:05	benkay	and why do it all at once?
04:06	Vexual	well you pay in july
04:06	herbijudlestoids	benkay: how is it realistic? lets say i want to split that 10k across my other investments, its immediately back in the financial system
04:06	herbijudlestoids	and the tax office is suddenly asking where the discrepancy is from
04:06	benkay	chetty: refusing to embrace the future will be the death of many things. apple is on that list.
04:06	benkay	well dump it into 4x via bit4x for one
04:06	herbijudlestoids	lel
04:07	herbijudlestoids	i literally already had this exact convo with kakobrekla
04:07	Vexual	or buy a vex trust but its byolawyer now
04:07	benkay	your problem is not in repatriating btc into fiat.
04:07	benkay	that is not a problem any more.
04:07	benkay	forget about realizing your btc gains in fiat.
04:07	benkay	realize your gains in btc.
04:07	herbijudlestoids	its not about realising them
04:07	herbijudlestoids	its about balancing stuff across asset classes
04:08	benkay	maintain your fiat investments the way you normally od
04:08	benkay	do
04:08	Vexual	i can get you btc agro forestry and all the shit
04:08	benkay	hold btc and let it be your risk holding
04:08	herbijudlestoids	right, exactly, and now i have to manage two portfolios
04:09	benkay	you straddle two worlds.
04:09	benkay	they are antithetical to one another.
04:09	benkay	you cannot have your cake and eat it too.
04:09	herbijudlestoids	i can, and do, in physical gold :)
04:09	Vexual	lol
04:10	benkay	if you think like that you have much learning to do.
04:10	Vexual	i think herbi might teach you a few tricks too benkay
04:10	herbijudlestoids	benkay: think like what? that i can store surplus productivity in physical gold?
04:11	herbijudlestoids	Vexual: how are you doing that stuff without the ATO up your arse? or are you compliant?
04:11	benkay	that storing it in physical gold is preferrable to storing it in bitcoin.
04:11	Vexual	im not anything, ive got tricks, but my lawyers dont play anymore
04:11	Vexual	and tricks id poor grammar
04:12	Vexual	ato is cool with btc if you dont be a wanker
04:12	Vexual	nothing new
04:13	herbijudlestoids	exactly, if its treated like any other asset class then ceteris paribus trading in BTC has a higher cost base to me
04:13	herbijudlestoids	the only way i could reduce the cost base is by avoiding the tax
04:14	Vexual	yeah man, if yo make money, declare it
04:14	benkay	good night gents
04:14	benkay	enjoy your lifetime of servitude to the state
04:14	herbijudlestoids	the only profitable strategy i could think of is that i know the ATO has good treatment for options if theyre hedges to delta <0.3
04:14	herbijudlestoids	or something like that
04:14	herbijudlestoids	so you could long bitcoin
04:14	herbijudlestoids	and hold puts
04:14	herbijudlestoids	night benkay
04:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
04:15	herbijudlestoids	benkay: the way i figure is iv already missed the initial wealth transfer...so why bother? if BTC takes over, i will be able to sell my human capital in BTC just as i now sell it in AUD
04:16	herbijudlestoids	i dont plan on buying BTC until the volatility dies off, thought it might be doing so but the last week of action has proved me wrong
04:16	Vexual	yes bc works like money
04:16	Vexual	its like rmb in oz
04:17	Vexual	nooones gonna tell you yu cant trade, beut when its aussie dollars, you pay tax, simple
04:18	Vexual	who does your tax re forex shit?
04:19	herbijudlestoids	accountant
04:19	herbijudlestoids	i used to do it
04:19	herbijudlestoids	too busy
04:21	Vexual	yeah 10-100k on trading needs a dude
04:21	Vexual	buy some farms and shit, oz aint too different to holland
04:22	Vexual	except you need to be productive here, there they just are
04:23	Vexual	im not an accountant
04:23	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0-JbJgxaXg
04:23	ozbot	Milow - Little in the Middle (Official Unplugged) - YouTube
04:24	herbijudlestoids	Vexual: i wanna see you in these pants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q
04:24	herbijudlestoids	(any of them)
04:25	Vexual	im all about the quality management and a chalenge
04:27	Vexual	twelfteen balkans listening to this conversation
04:27	herbijudlestoids	lol
04:27	Vexual	im hoping some will expatriate to australia
04:29	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0dKkrHr78E
04:29	ozbot	PXE presents A placa de Ipanema feat. The Herd - YouTube
04:32	herbijudlestoids	so, i just calculated the 30 day ROC for bitcoin difficulty since the start of 2013
04:32	herbijudlestoids	http://imgur.com/WSFCAQy
04:32	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
04:32	herbijudlestoids	20% was the lowest ROC i found
04:32	Vexual	roc?
04:32	herbijudlestoids	rate of change
04:33	punkman1	what's with the flat parts
04:33	herbijudlestoids	i.e. over any given 30 day window, 20% was the lowest amount difficulty grew and 100% was the largest amount
04:33	herbijudlestoids	punkman1: where the rate of change does not change for several datapoints (days)
04:34	herbijudlestoids	i think because the difficulty only updates on each new block, so there is flat parts in the timeseries
04:34	punkman1	diff updates every X days not every block
04:34	herbijudlestoids	right, there you go then
04:34	Vexual	did you get a machine with iview flash? new rake on sunday
04:35	herbijudlestoids	Vexual: no :'(
04:35	Vexual	13 years in jail
04:35	herbijudlestoids	im using the absolute latest flashplayer
04:35	Vexual	u need a winez box
04:35	herbijudlestoids	sucks because i am a fucking iview whore
04:36	herbijudlestoids	love it
04:36	herbijudlestoids	anyway vex, what the f are you doing home on a sat night
04:36	Vexual	yeah i discovered your problem when i was wathxcing the last season of rake, my fave barrister
04:37	herbijudlestoids	not that i dont appreciate the company :P
04:37	Vexual	borrow your atlas and never give it back
04:37	herbijudlestoids	haha wut
04:37	Vexual	forgotten your name
04:38	Vexual	i dont leave the house, ive gt more social phobias than duffer and that other cunt put together
04:39	herbijudlestoids	fair enough, a bit of a hermit myself :)
04:40	Vexual	yeah not really
04:40	Vexual	id rather stay home but life happens
04:40	herbijudlestoids	something for the hermits then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9IO2pT7lhM
04:40	Vexual	tuff track
04:41	Vexual	i was trying to explain a spoonfull of cement to the people in the australian context
04:41	herbijudlestoids	haha
04:41	Vexual	im not here for a haircut
04:43	herbijudlestoids	so i was checking out bitcoin-otc last night
04:43	herbijudlestoids	interesting...lots of weird stuff listed for sale
04:43	herbijudlestoids	i was thinking it would be interesting to throw small increments of gold up as offers and see if any takers
04:44	Vexual	dont tell me about aussie gold unless its proper true
04:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC
04:46	Vexual	im gonna give you a fast track track on your track to enlightnement sans illegal drugs beacause you're so cool
04:47	herbijudlestoids	proper true 999 from the perth mint sort of gold :)
04:47	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFHkO3CqnjU you're already there, youe a surity here
04:47	ozbot	Bong-Ra 'Can You Dig It ?' - YouTube
04:48	herbijudlestoids	but i wondered if anyone would be interested cos postage costs from aus would be high
04:48	Vexual	sans bro sans
04:48	herbijudlestoids	haaha didnt you play this song the other night?
04:48	herbijudlestoids	sans? as in without?
04:48	Vexual	you read the logs
04:48	Vexual	yes without illegal drugs
04:49	herbijudlestoids	lol vex im having trouble understanding you
04:49	Vexual	you got a problem with grog?\
04:49	herbijudlestoids	im not a drinker, but no problem with it
04:49	Vexual	excellenty
04:50	Vexual	can you grep erowid?
04:50	herbijudlestoids	i got all of erowid and more stored in my brain :)
04:50	Vexual	see what i mean
04:51	Vexual	can yo ufeel the love? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM
04:52	herbijudlestoids	LEL!
04:52	herbijudlestoids	i was just listening to a diff public enemy song
04:52	herbijudlestoids	Vexual: saturday nights in -assets is hiphop night for the hermits lol
04:52	Vexual	ive still got a passport
04:52	herbijudlestoids	where is KRS-One
04:53	Vexual	strip club with his girly
04:53	Vexual	or in a v8
04:54	Vexual	both?
04:54	herbijudlestoids	on his way to the club in his v8 with the girl
04:54	Vexual	prbably
04:55	Vexual	hes al about the cubic inches
04:56	Vexual	and shit
04:56	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITLNzPoEqs
04:56	ozbot	Ol' Dirty Bastard-Shimmy Shimmy Ya - YouTube
04:59	Vexual	what you nevetr put a padlock on anything? krs1 knows about security
05:01	punkman1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xu1tkect4I
05:01	ozbot	Subcarpati - Balada romanului - Video - YouTube
05:01	Vexual	1 dont wanna spell it out but in youve got 9 computers and 12 hos hes you man
05:01	herbijudlestoids	im downloading donnie brasco
05:02	Vexual	is that like donnie darko?
05:02	Vexual	with the rabbit
05:03	Vexual	all the flange
05:04	Vexual	musica esta execellante
05:08	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0aRb4rAq0I
05:08	ozbot	Wax: "Rosana" (Official Music Video) - YouTube
05:09	Vexual	^Krs1
05:10	herbijudlestoids	maybe i should go out and get drunk
05:10	Vexual	gow west are you?
05:11	herbijudlestoids	not at all? 2 stops on the train from central, could walk to newtown from here
05:12	Vexual	petersham?
05:12	herbijudlestoids	closer to the airport, but yea in the vicinity
05:12	Vexual	ug
05:13	herbijudlestoids	my mates live right near petersham stn and i have won the schnitzel challenge at the white cockatoo
05:13	Vexual	white cockatoo was where lawson drank
05:14	Vexual	i vomited vereywhere in the bank
05:14	herbijudlestoids	no shit about lawson? gonna look that up
05:14	Vexual	exiting politely with a spray like a skunk
05:14	herbijudlestoids	haha true!
05:15	herbijudlestoids	you swine, how do you know so much culture shit about inner west sydney
05:15	Vexual	keeep sucking dicks you motherfucking cuntz
05:15	Vexual	i just got out
05:15	herbijudlestoids	ahhh
05:15	herbijudlestoids	enjoy vex, behave
05:15	Vexual	ciao
05:21	Vexual	henry lawson is thje name you're looking for
05:21	herbijudlestoids	lol i know that im not completely uncultured
05:21	herbijudlestoids	i already looked it up and confirmed on the marrickville council website :D
05:21	Vexual	lol
05:23	Vexual	i thought you were wester than that
05:24	Vexual	theres bitcoin culture when you get to leichhhardt
05:25	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WhhSBgd3KI&feature=kp i heart sydney
05:25	ozbot	The Specials - Ghost Town - YouTube
05:26	Vexual	:D
05:30	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5mBh4rYs
05:30	ozbot	ODB - Baby, I got your money [*original uncencored video*] - YouTube
05:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [-]
05:31	Vexual	pankkkaers ads just got weird
05:32	Vexual	;; later tell mirceas_popescue yes i can provide i tx id if you wanna be a big ho
05:32	gribble	The operation succeeded.
05:35	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxLJTmhJQx0
05:35	ozbot	Girls in Hawaii - Not Dead - YouTube
05:38	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6j4f8cHBIM
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05:38	ozbot	Nicki Minaj - Stupid Hoe (Explicit) - YouTube
05:42	kakobrekla	thats just horrible
05:42	Vexual	::rate jurov inteligent and reasonable
05:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13214 @ 0.00085801 = 11.3377 BTC [-] {2}
05:43	jurov	thx, why so suddenly?
05:43	Vexual	rate the karaken intelligent an resasobablwe
05:43	jurov	u dunk?
05:43	Vexual	i kno wwhere youre from bro
05:43	kakobrekla	i think he is also deaf
05:43	jurov	urmom
05:43	Vexual	um not an idiot
05:44	Vexual	im just where youre not from
05:44	jurov	ok.. but srsly, y u no register in the wot?
05:44	Vexual	well if noone regs vex trommorow im getting it
05:45	jurov	:D
05:45	Vexual	you're nearly ,my gave giy i wanna know
05:45	Vexual	i can spell it with a 1
05:45	jurov	wat?
05:45	Vexual	yes i like you jurov, but its no tgay
05:46	Mats_cd03	I loled
05:46	jurov	why not gay? D:
05:46	Vexual	if i was a trolla id have had vex a month ago
05:46	Vexual	well i aint gonna suxk your dick but i love you more
05:47	jurov	actually i'm not so much into sucking, too. more like coddling
05:47	Mats_cd03	Can I get a rim job
05:47	jurov	see above
05:48	Vexual	jurov been in it for 20 years
05:48	Mats_cd03	Coddle my rim nigga
05:48	jurov	Mats_cd03 well, come around and we'll see what can be done
05:48	Vexual	careful wagt you wish for
05:49	jurov	you don't have any such wishes? happily married or having proper harem?
05:50	Vexual	me?
05:50	jurov	yes you
05:50	Vexual	i breathe morning keytones and feel sad
05:50	Vexual	aint no mystery
05:51	jurov	better have wishes gone bad than to stay sad
05:52	jurov	oh lol, it's cuddling, not coddling xD
05:53	Vexual	youre the first guy im giving points to on wot
05:54	Vexual	appears reasonable and intelligent'
05:55	Vexual	ill pay mp and acscii and nubs and great and blacksmith
05:57	kakobrekla	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-26012779
05:58	ozbot	BBC News - Man travels 1,000 miles to claim bogus prize
06:00	Vexual	kako
06:00	kakobrekla	here
06:01	Vexual	you're cool maximus
06:01	jurov	;;bc,stats
06:01	gribble	Current Blocks: 284784 | Current Difficulty: 2.6214044530646152E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 286271 | Next Difficulty In: 1487 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 29 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3050544405.42 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.37061
06:02	jurov	.d
06:02	ozbot	2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 1487 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.5173% in 8d 17h 20m 35s
06:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC {2}
06:02	kakobrekla	who cares, its too god damn high
06:03	jurov	just cuz bitbet
06:03	Vexual	yeah wqell i can't find my beer so i dont know shit
06:03	herbijudlestoids	you drank it, dingus
06:03	Vexual	waynos cvoolk ntoo
06:04	Vexual	that ainbt a thing, get real
06:04	Vexual	graets knws
06:07	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2wqmGu1EY8
06:07	ozbot	Everyone Nose (All The Girls Standing In The Line For The... - YouTube
06:08	Vexual	im not sayig it was you wayneo
06:09	Vexual	but you said it was be and all od assets knows that aint true
06:09	Vexual	i can't boot my system with perl
06:10	Vexual	i didnt even wanna go to that party
06:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC
06:12	kakobrekla	http://www.thedomains.com/2014/02/07/german-court-says-registrars-are-responsible-for-content-on-a-website/
06:12	ozbot	German Court Says Registrars Are Responsible for Content on a Website | TheDomains.com
06:13	Vexual	i spend half my time injecting stem cells into getmans to give them a sense of humour
06:14	Vexual	it nevar works
06:16	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgvGjAhvIw
06:16	ozbot	OutKast - Hey Ya - YouTube
06:17	Vexual	pankake , how come french ads are so coool?
06:17	Vexual	your fabric softener is called dash
06:18	Vexual	ice cold 3000
06:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1379 @ 0.000138 = 0.1903 BTC [+]
06:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.004779 = 0.1912 BTC [+]
06:27	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS_5BORSayc
06:27	ozbot	Monkey Magic - YouTube
06:29	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzbRctkeiC0
06:29	ozbot	[Zhang Jizhong] Journey to the West (2011) - Episode 3 - YouTube
06:31	cazalla	that's better, OG monkey is better than the remakes
06:32	Vexual	indeed cazalla, it is only life after all
06:34	cazalla	can't wait to show my son the series when he is a little older
06:35	Vexual	yes
06:35	Vexual	altthough judo i sireelevant nowadays
06:36	cazalla	i'll give him a rake so he can pretend to be pigsy in the backyard
06:36	Vexual	'ha yes but the fish spirit is the real rake holder
06:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00085782 = 10.3796 BTC [-] {2}
06:37	Vexual	see do you undrtsand?
06:37	cazalla	poker?
06:37	Vexual	rake poo or clams?
06:37	cazalla	fish, rake, my mind went to poker, otherwise no
06:37	Vexual	mm yes
06:38	Vexual	will y you play hoplem?
06:38	cazalla	are you drunk?
06:38	Vexual	do you know my name?
06:38	Vexual	i dont steal
06:39	cazalla	not really, i don't get much opportunity to read the channel given new born i'm dealing with
06:39	Vexual	indeed
06:40	Vexual	congratulations
06:40	cazalla	past that, i just want sleep :\
06:40	cazalla	which i'm going for now, ttyl
06:42	Vexual	nicely nicely
06:45	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITLNzPoEqs
06:45	ozbot	Ol' Dirty Bastard-Shimmy Shimmy Ya - YouTube
06:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00086087 = 5.5957 BTC [+]
06:47	Vexual	::rate wayno unknown
06:48	Vexual	-1
06:48	Vexual	strange fruit
06:49	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhFx9ko73X0
06:49	ozbot	Ol' Dirty Bastard-Brooklyn Zoo (Video) - YouTube
06:55	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6j4f8cHBIM
06:55	ozbot	Nicki Minaj - Stupid Hoe (Explicit) - YouTube
06:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11904 @ 0.00086395 = 10.2845 BTC [+]
06:57	kakobrekla	Vexual quit spamming
06:57	kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#489971
06:57	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
06:58	Vexual	fuck you i paid two milly for this shit
06:58	kakobrekla	your prepaid mills ran out
06:58	Vexual	whats the damage?
06:58	kakobrekla	broken ears
06:58	Vexual	di it
06:59	Vexual	ill do it coz i love your ears
07:00	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjKFCYzqq-A france just asjke me me if i like a ford fiesta
07:01	ozbot	Parliament Funkadelic - Bring The Funk - YouTube
07:01	Vexual	i do
07:01	Vexual	1.0 l
07:01	Vexual	send me the bill
07:03	kakobrekla	must think of something you cant afford
07:04	Vexual	kraken ill be honest, i can pay quarterly, more than that, its a no gop
07:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
07:07	Vexual	ill keep your arse swingin
07:08	Vexual	+m wont suffice
07:09	Vexual	kick will
07:10	Vexual	yjis is a goat ttrack
07:10	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-NvQ6VJYtE
07:10	ozbot	Jamiroquai - Cosmic Girl - YouTube
07:11	Vexual	please dont kivck me
07:12	Vexual	im emailing the pm
07:13	Vexual	nubbins gots goats shirt made already
07:15	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg
07:15	ozbot	How To Uninstall McAfee Antivirus - YouTube
07:20	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nevPqXNjM-k
07:20	ozbot	John McAfee warning about the use of appliances for security breach purposes - YouTube
07:22	Vexual	raspi in a luchbox
07:24	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5mBh4rYs regres
07:24	ozbot	ODB - Baby, I got your money [*original uncencored video*] - YouTube
07:28	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY
07:28	ozbot	Warren G - Regulate ft. Nate Dogg - YouTube
07:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
07:34	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeIJmciN8mo&list=ALHTd1VmZQRNptgo4ed0biMPKtTTpYcIE_
07:34	ozbot	Nicki Minaj - Starships (Explicit) - YouTube
07:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15596 @ 0.00086395 = 13.4742 BTC [+]
07:39	Vexual	;; later tell mircea_popescue poke nikini minaj
07:39	gribble	The operation succeeded.
07:40	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLiFb_xwB1E\
07:40	ozbot	Jungle Brothers "Because I Got It Like That" (album version) 1989 - YouTube
07:42	Vexual	slap i sonly for +m
07:45	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj8JrQ9w5jY
07:46	ozbot	LCD Soundsystem - Daft Punk Is Playing At My House - YouTube
07:47	Vexual	nyc
07:50	Mats_cd03	Go to sleep, you're drunk
07:50	Vexual	later tell Luke-Jr I I knnow are about jesus than you
07:50	Vexual	;;later tell Luke-Jr I I knnow are about jesus than you
07:50	gribble	The operation succeeded.
07:54	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r34MG8b_Z3A
07:54	ozbot	Bliss n Eso - My Life (feat. Ceekay Jones) - Official Video Clip - YouTube
07:59	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3yXS1i-GHk bhgminer
07:59	ozbot	LEE SCRATCH PERRY - DuB those crazy Baldheads [HD] Summerjam 2011 - YouTube
08:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+]
08:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
08:06	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qCQ8O6D4Ps\
08:06	ozbot	Lee 'Scratch' Perry - Interview - Tracks Arte TV - YouTube
08:07	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nz_uSssKTw so paris
08:07	ozbot	Junior Murvin - Police & Thieves (HQ) - YouTube
08:14	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTcP9lK9zTM
08:14	ozbot	Seeed - Papa Noah - YouTube
08:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+]
08:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
08:17	herbijudlestoids	still up vex?
08:18	Vexual	yah mon nya work pon the sabbath
08:18	herbijudlestoids	haha
08:18	herbijudlestoids	hows the weather
08:19	Vexual	verily stormy
08:19	herbijudlestoids	but still like 80 degrees?
08:19	herbijudlestoids	i love the tropics
08:19	Vexual	mee too i spend too much time here
08:19	ThickAsThieves	anyone read much on autonomous organizations?
08:19	ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10055/cryptographic-code-obfuscation-decentralized-autonomous-organizations-huge-leap-forward/
08:19	ozbot	Cryptographic Code Obfuscation: Decentralized Autonomous Organizations Are About to Take a Huge Leap
08:19	ThickAsThieves	mike hearn speaks on it too
08:19	ThickAsThieves	there's a vid somewhere
08:20	herbijudlestoids	i read about it briefly but it went over my head
08:20	ThickAsThieves	i think because it's hot air
08:21	ThickAsThieves	the closest i've come to distilling why
08:21	ThickAsThieves	is i
08:21	ThickAsThieves	is i'm not sure you can have a real autononmous org without it also being spontaneous
08:22	ThickAsThieves	autonomous*
08:22	herbijudlestoids	whats the use case for the DAO?
08:23	ThickAsThieves	i'm also not clear how an autonomous entity would compete with real intelligent businesses
08:23	ThickAsThieves	the clearest case ive heard
08:23	ThickAsThieves	is a taxi service that runs itself
08:24	ThickAsThieves	self-driving cars
08:24	ThickAsThieves	that autoschedule repairs and upgrades
08:24	herbijudlestoids	ah ok hmmm
08:24	ThickAsThieves	and auto save profits
08:24	ThickAsThieves	to buy more cars
08:24	ThickAsThieves	etc
08:24	herbijudlestoids	so its gotta be businesses where theres lots of nodes and all the nodes are equal
08:24	herbijudlestoids	a flat graph
08:25	ThickAsThieves	i can envision their dream, i just cant see it surviving in a real world
08:27	Vexual	you want some more?
08:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
08:28	Vexual	if you've borrowed my atals i want it back
08:28	herbijudlestoids	hmm interesting, the bitcoin wiki lists "keyhotee" "a DAC replacement for OpenID"
08:29	Vexual	apparenyly gpg is better than abitcoing signature
08:30	herbijudlestoids	i guess the -otc WoT is a "DAC"
08:30	herbijudlestoids	except the entire thing is stored on some server
08:30	herbijudlestoids	so not really
08:30	Vexual	i can understand why
08:30	Vexual	theres ten kinds ow fuckwits
08:31	ThickAsThieves	<herbijudlestoids> except the entire thing is stored on some server --- recently ive been preaching need for a decentralized wot
08:31	Vexual	motorcyles ride 30 secs apart here in qld now
08:31	ThickAsThieves	one that also can be made user-friendly
08:31	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: there is one on freenet
08:32	ThickAsThieves	doesnt sound uderfriendly
08:32	Vexual	you've changes your tune
08:33	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51xC2Us9vXQ
08:33	ozbot	Katherine Bryan International Solo Flautist - YouTube
08:33	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: its not bad these days, but yea a little hard for most users cos they have to stop spammers so each identity has a "cost", you gotta fill out a page of 9 captchas or something like that
08:33	Vexual	my vorb doeth captchas
08:33	herbijudlestoids	https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Web_of_Trust
08:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC
08:33	ozbot	Web of Trust - Freenet Wiki
08:34	Vexual	im coming with a bot when i identify
08:34	Vexual	and 12 dogs
08:34	Vexual	2 cats and a guinea pig
08:35	ThickAsThieves	why does freenet sound like a better tor, but everyone use tor?
08:35	Vexual	its slower than pankakke coding
08:35	herbijudlestoids	its completely different
08:35	herbijudlestoids	tor is a routing layer which has exit nodes
08:36	herbijudlestoids	i2p is a routing layer without
08:36	herbijudlestoids	freenet is a distributed datastore
08:36	herbijudlestoids	theres no "servers"
08:36	ThickAsThieves	so everyone stores part of everyone else's websites?
08:37	herbijudlestoids	essentially, yea. its not too different from a DHT
08:37	herbijudlestoids	its not just website, its arbitrary bytes
08:38	ThickAsThieves	i feel like there are a dozen bitcoiners probly trying to make this a la blockchain and dont know it already exists
08:38	herbijudlestoids	if you wanted a distributed WoT, i would recommend a DHT underlying whatever the existing one is
08:38	herbijudlestoids	yea i get that feeling as well
08:38	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: thoughts on the freenet distributed WoT?
08:38	mircea_popescu	which one is this ?
08:38	herbijudlestoids	https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Web_of_Trust
08:38	ozbot	Web of Trust - Freenet Wiki
08:38	ThickAsThieves	what i want is basically like a openID or sign in with Facebook kinda thing but as a WoT
08:39	mircea_popescu	afaik nanotube was working on something like this since about 2012. is this his ?
08:39	herbijudlestoids	nope
08:39	mircea_popescu	then shrug.
08:39	mircea_popescu	people before tech.
08:39	herbijudlestoids	well maybe but i dun think so
08:40	mircea_popescu	(reason i hilited him is cause eventualy once he gets through the logs he can tell me lol)
08:40	Vexual	whos in awhat now?
08:41	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: seems like "invictus" is pushing keyhotee pretty hard for this, blockchain based
08:41	mircea_popescu	also, for the people following s.mg progress : working towards finally moving most of the thing into eclipse
08:42	ThickAsThieves	keyhotee will fail
08:42	ThickAsThieves	the name is horrible
08:43	mircea_popescu	o this is that ancient thing that never went nowhere
08:43	herbijudlestoids	sounds like there is some room there for something
08:44	Vexual	1 am 12 cnad what is this?
08:44	ThickAsThieves	oh he also made bitshares
08:44	herbijudlestoids	but firstly, how do you convince people to adopt it?
08:44	ThickAsThieves	for "Many alt-companies with creative profit models."
08:45	ThickAsThieves	you wrap it into bitcoin services
08:45	ThickAsThieves	appify it, i dunno
08:45	mircea_popescu	lel.
08:45	herbijudlestoids	for example, if everyone in -otc continues to use the centralised version, because they dont want to lose their existing rep, then what
08:46	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids i will continue to use otc, because i do not use solutions of nobodies.
08:46	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJbG23qEry8
08:46	ozbot	Alby Mangels Adventure Bound THE WHOLE SERIES - YouTube
08:46	mircea_popescu	this is the end of any other attempt, full stop.
08:46	mircea_popescu	in order to become somebody you become somebody, the steps are laid out
08:46	mircea_popescu	THEN you go about making things.
08:46	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: just in the hypothetical that a somebody made something good
08:46	mircea_popescu	this bs where 20something dork "comes up" with some sort of "revolutionary" thing and everyone cares is not unlike manga.
08:46	Vexual	cock mouth is always a risk
08:47	mircea_popescu	not only it never happens, it never should happen and by god im here to ensure it never does.
08:47	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids nobody definitely didn't make something good.
08:47	mircea_popescu	he made something that looks good to idiots.
08:47	herbijudlestoids	teehee
08:47	mircea_popescu	i tell ye.
08:47	mircea_popescu	there's more to "good" than meets the eye
08:47	mircea_popescu	it's just that you're new here and haven't gone through the training process
08:47	herbijudlestoids	lets just say that you made a nice distributed WoT
08:47	mircea_popescu	you did not.
08:48	ThickAsThieves	you, not you
08:48	Vexual	say what?
08:48	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves lol.
08:48	herbijudlestoids	*you*, mp, not you as in the hypothetical you
08:48	mircea_popescu	but it's absurd, i don't code.
08:48	ThickAsThieves	maybe you paid some other somebody to do it
08:48	herbijudlestoids	godanget, i dunno, somebody who you dont think is a retard
08:48	mircea_popescu	the very proposition belies fundamental ignorance of the entire thing, which is why i object.
08:48	mircea_popescu	okay.
08:48	mircea_popescu	so you mean "someone in your wot"
08:48	herbijudlestoids	so lets say that make it and its good
08:48	mircea_popescu	okay.
08:48	herbijudlestoids	now how do you drive teh adoptionz
08:49	Vexual	mp is very adverse to starting with 0
08:49	mircea_popescu	that'd be something i can't explain to you.
08:49	herbijudlestoids	im too retarded?
08:49	mircea_popescu	but compare and contrast (by which i mean meditate upon) the alt coin with max keiser's alt coin and you'll perhaps you'll come to something.
08:49	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids no, it's not intelligence you lack, it's the experience that'd inform that intelligence.
08:50	Vexual	never too retarded, might have to reword the question
08:50	ThickAsThieves	well i was gonna say, why is driving adoption so integral to the goal
08:50	ThickAsThieves	make it because it's worth being made
08:50	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves because people today grow up in this echo chamber
08:50	mircea_popescu	"you guise think drugs are cool rite ? cause there's these bath salts here..."
08:50	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: well if the inertia of the existing system means nobody uses it, then it fails at its fundamental goal of being a distributed WoT that derives its value from having lots of credible ratings
08:51	Vexual	mcafee is cool, bathselts arent
08:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.19376446 = 3.1002 BTC [+]
08:51	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids your fundamental presumption is that everyone is at all times in the position to make anything.
08:51	mircea_popescu	this is false.
08:51	ThickAsThieves	what if you let people port trust, and they get a note on their account
08:51	ThickAsThieves	Trust History from OTC WoT*
08:51	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: i was thinking of something like that, maybe you can model existing WoTs as nodes in the graph
08:51	mircea_popescu	the declaration of love that sunk cleopatra is not something every roman citizen could have made any time they felt like it.
08:51	ThickAsThieves	maybe our wot sipports wots
08:51	mircea_popescu	only cesar and antony, and only at proper times.
08:52	Vexual	mcaffee read erowid and pisssed something better
08:52	mircea_popescu	most of the possibility of the world is locked away from most people most of the time.
08:52	herbijudlestoids	ok well in that case its horizontally compatible and doesnt depend on any adoption, in fact would be quite useful in case for example catastrophe strikes the existing WoT server it might be stored on someone elses computer
08:52	mircea_popescu	i have a copy of the current wot. so can you
08:52	Vexual	im veetically inept
08:53	mircea_popescu	it uses the mpex "make your own backups if you're worried" model
08:53	ThickAsThieves	so it's a wot of wots then
08:53	Vexual	how does a cardano make mpex better?
08:53	ThickAsThieves	maybe each wot chain comes with it's own level of trust too
08:54	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: do you just wget the viewratings.php?
08:54	mircea_popescu	Vexual i have no idea. the disadvantage of making tools for a reason rather than towards a purpose is that it's really up to the users to figure out how to wring all the utility out of them.
08:54	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: if each WoT is just a node in the graph it can be exactly so
08:54	mircea_popescu	linus really had no idea what linux is good for.
08:54	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids nono, look in the wiki there's a link to backups
08:54	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: ah ok thx
08:54	herbijudlestoids	so you just cron those or somethin
08:54	mircea_popescu	within reason.
08:55	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: ok so the existing server eats shit somehow, and you have your backup, someone wants to sell you 50 BTC and they screw you somehow, you want to let others know by giving that person a negative rating but you cant
08:55	herbijudlestoids	you have to fire up mpwot.com and convince people to use it
08:55	mircea_popescu	wait wait.
08:56	mircea_popescu	who says i'm trading without a wot ?
08:56	Vexual	i will
08:56	Vexual	is it a thing?
08:56	herbijudlestoids	so the wot goes down and liquidity vanishes?
08:56	mircea_popescu	liquidity in the periphery
08:56	herbijudlestoids	right, i guess you dont need the wot for everyone
08:56	mircea_popescu	this is how financial networks work : when standardisation goes down the periphery eats it.
08:56	herbijudlestoids	just people you dont already know
08:57	Vexual	soemone at emy sushi
08:57	mircea_popescu	which incidentally shows you a different path into why the periphery can not be the standardisation driver
08:57	mircea_popescu	which is exactly homologuous to what i said earlier.
08:57	Vexual	this can oly be good
08:57	herbijudlestoids	teehee you said homo
08:57	ThickAsThieves	so what youre saying is, the best way to model reputation systems, is like how they work IRL?!
08:57	ThickAsThieves	:)
08:57	mircea_popescu	lol
08:58	Vexual	:)
08:58	Vexual	welsome to earth herbi
08:58	herbijudlestoids	anyone know if the existing WoT software is open source?
08:58	mircea_popescu	it is.
08:58	herbijudlestoids	sounds like all it needs is an extra piece of functionality, so each WoT node can talk to other WoT nodes
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08:58	herbijudlestoids	and rate them
08:59	mircea_popescu	it has that already
08:59	mircea_popescu	write an irc bot.
08:59	mircea_popescu	talk to gribble.
08:59	Vexual	i really wanted to eat that
08:59	herbijudlestoids	so ThickAsThieves whats missing?
08:59	ThickAsThieves	CSS
08:59	herbijudlestoids	sounds like functionality is there
08:59	mircea_popescu	nothing is missing lol
08:59	ThickAsThieves	as usual
08:59	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: he was saying just before you came in that he wanted a distributedier WoT
08:59	mircea_popescu	what the fuck, are we stupid or something ? been using this thing for years, i promote it as the solution, something;'s missing ?
08:59	mircea_popescu	caus ewhy.
09:00	herbijudlestoids	i just assumed the functionality wasnt there
09:00	mircea_popescu	yeah well.
09:00	ThickAsThieves	so why dont i use wot to log into things?
09:00	mircea_popescu	because things suck.
09:00	Vexual	coz your house aint amart
09:00	mircea_popescu	takes all of five minutes to steal gribble id code.
09:01	mircea_popescu	meanwhile all the fuckwitted uk people who spend their time pretending to be women and pretending to be famous and important and into tech
09:01	Vexual	i wish i knew hwo at emy sushi
09:01	mircea_popescu	spend all their time making retarded websites encouraging little boys to waste their life similarly
09:01	herbijudlestoids	so really what you want, ThickAsThieves is a REST API
09:01	mircea_popescu	because then if there are many idiots in the same boat it wouldn't have been a waste.
09:01	herbijudlestoids	so that people can query whichever shits they want in web services?
09:01	mircea_popescu	and i think exactly the same of friedcat and co, too. when i say it's a sad story this is what i mean.
09:01	Vexual	theres noone here its proaby still there
09:02	ThickAsThieves	it may be time to ignore vexual
09:02	herbijudlestoids	hes ok
09:02	Vexual	bitch
09:02	herbijudlestoids	its saturday night here ThickAsThieves :)
09:02	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/jpBRyxc.gif
09:02	ThickAsThieves	ah
09:02	ThickAsThieves	hehe
09:02	mircea_popescu	that is vexual on the right there
09:03	Vexual	tat i wont hold it afainst you
09:03	ThickAsThieves	lol
09:03	ThickAsThieves	your language is foreign to me vex
09:03	herbijudlestoids	more specifically, its 1am on a sat night
09:03	ThickAsThieves	it's 9am here
09:04	Vexual	its also not melbourne time here herbi
09:04	herbijudlestoids	think im gonna chuck some food in the oven, bbs
09:04	Vexual	yeah tat, i put stem cells into germans with no effect
09:04	ThickAsThieves	i heard
09:05	ThickAsThieves	mp
09:05	ThickAsThieves	youre gonna love this
09:05	ThickAsThieves	http://qz.com/174757/bitcoin-company-offers-stock-denominated-in-bitcoin/
09:05	ozbot	Bitcoin company offers stock denominated in bitcoin – Quartz
09:05	mircea_popescu	lol derp.
09:05	ThickAsThieves	from your friends at quartz!
09:05	mircea_popescu	actually from the same fuckwit
09:05	mircea_popescu	this is what we're reduced to : i tell him on twitter to get over himself, he's no longer in highschool
09:06	Vexual	people go back and read vex logs and come up with stuff like divesify
09:06	mircea_popescu	he proceeds to try and prove to the world that no, i am wrong. indeed he is in hs.
09:06	Vexual	ha?
09:06	Vexual	hs?
09:06	ThickAsThieves	high school
09:06	mircea_popescu	Vexual that place where the government pays for kids airs.
09:06	Vexual	oh, lik etokyo?
09:07	ThickAsThieves	"“Eventually Bitcoin Kinetics will become a Decentralized Autonomous Organization run completely by smart contracts, 3D printers & shipping centers, making it run on its own."
09:07	ThickAsThieves	Decentralized Autonomous Organization
09:07	ThickAsThieves	Decentralized Autonomous Organization
09:07	mircea_popescu	welcome to 2011, we needed glbse.
09:07	ThickAsThieves	wtf
09:07	Vexual	ylang ylang
09:07	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves they mean "mpex" and don't know how to say it.
09:07	mircea_popescu	seeing how this has been going on for years already.
09:08	Vexual	apex and alc
09:08	ThickAsThieves	why did they just like, throw in 3D printers into that statement
09:08	ThickAsThieves	wtf
09:08	herbijudlestoids	HAHA
09:08	herbijudlestoids	3d printers
09:08	mircea_popescu	because words.
09:08	mircea_popescu	this is what the periphery does : words.
09:08	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: teh futyah
09:08	mircea_popescu	they wanna be just like nyc.
09:09	Vexual	lab
09:09	mircea_popescu	they can't be trusted with defining what being nyc actually means, but they can be trusted to implement a very broken, ridiculous version of what they heard it may be like.
09:09	ThickAsThieves	Xerox should take over 3d printer market while they can
09:09	ThickAsThieves	start selling as necessary to business
09:09	mircea_popescu	they can't.
09:10	mircea_popescu	the 3d printer market is composed of no market.
09:10	ThickAsThieves	but business!
09:10	Vexual	when thers a 3d pixma ill but iy
09:10	herbijudlestoids	seems quite useful for prosthetics and things like that
09:10	mircea_popescu	yeah but it's more the hopes and aspirations of a bunch of nuts and the creative effort of some geeks.
09:10	wao-ender	I think 3d printer market is already divided.
09:10	mircea_popescu	too meristem-y for business yet.
09:10	wao-ender	Bigger part is owned by Stratasys
09:10	Vexual	hp gave me herpes
09:11	ThickAsThieves	yknow it really would suit xerox though
09:11	mircea_popescu	wao-ender the trick in this discussion is the hidden axiom that "a bunch of people buying and selling isn't necessarily a market"
09:11	Vexual	pew pew pew
09:11	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves maybe, on the hardware part of things,
09:11	wao-ender	ah, I didnt read whole discuss, sry
09:11	mircea_popescu	but in general concepts pose the larger problem. if they did try to take it they may end up doing something idiotic
09:11	mircea_popescu	like i dunno, spending all their money on facebook ads.
09:12	ThickAsThieves	also xerox has spent a long time becoming a sales and repair company
09:12	mircea_popescu	cause of conceptual confusion engendered by the "market"
09:12	ThickAsThieves	new tech not so much
09:12	mircea_popescu	exactly.
09:12	Vexual	imagine being a xerox texh
09:12	mircea_popescu	cost more to explain to xerox employees wtf this is supposed to be than to just make a new xerox.
09:12	Vexual	treporno
09:12	ThickAsThieves	i was never a xerox tech, but something very close
09:12	Vexual	pool cleaner?
09:12	mircea_popescu	ahahahaha
09:13	ThickAsThieves	i did repair my own xerox on several occassions
09:13	ThickAsThieves	ESTAT machines
09:13	mircea_popescu	you should have ignored him when you could. now you're stuck
09:13	herbijudlestoids	whats that ThickAsThieves?
09:13	Vexual	i would fix the fuck outta those laser printers
09:13	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves their health monitor thing ?
09:13	ThickAsThieves	they are these large format printers that use static (sorta like a xerox) to pattern a coated paper
09:14	ThickAsThieves	the paper runs a few inches away from ink wells
09:14	ThickAsThieves	the ink sticks to the paper
09:14	mircea_popescu	o
09:14	ThickAsThieves	then you run the paper with fabric into a rolling heat press
09:14	ThickAsThieves	to dye sublimate
09:14	ThickAsThieves	the machines never run perfectly
09:15	ThickAsThieves	cuz humidity etc
09:15	ThickAsThieves	but the prints are quite nice
09:15	ThickAsThieves	i dont think they are in use anymore
09:15	ThickAsThieves	people use inkjets to same purpose
09:16	herbijudlestoids	watch out we got a fuckin printing nerd over here :P
09:17	herbijudlestoids	so what were you using it for ThickAsThieves? tshirts or banners or something?
09:17	mircea_popescu	nubbins is the same way.
09:17	ThickAsThieves	tension fabric structures
09:17	herbijudlestoids	wutsat
09:17	Vexual	tshirts
09:17	ThickAsThieves	https://www.google.com/search?q=tension+fabric+structures&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=eDz2Uu-OIKqysQShg4H4Dg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1706&bih=876
09:18	herbijudlestoids	ah yea
09:18	mircea_popescu	o wait. you're the guy that can make us the mesh dome anti-hypersonic-missile defense.
09:18	ThickAsThieves	it's where i learned that geometry was useful too
09:18	ThickAsThieves	hehe
09:18	Vexual	big pecks
09:19	mircea_popescu	jesus. so i go check trilema awstats. i find out that TO THIS DAY my 2nd most read article is a 2012 romanian language guide for women as to how you suck cock.
09:19	Vexual	mp do you actually have a haerum, or is that a joke about the slaves email?
09:19	herbijudlestoids	lellll
09:19	mircea_popescu	that thing is never going away. "mp ? what, bitcoin, whatever ? nah, this guy is famous because that one time he wrote a cocksucking guide"
09:19	mircea_popescu	Vexual i keep slaves.
09:19	Vexual	my brain
09:20	herbijudlestoids	well the target audience is slightly larger mp, between 50% of the romanian population who are potentially interested (+ gay guys) versus what...0.5% of global pop interested in bitcoin?
09:20	ThickAsThieves	i bet straight guys visit the page more than anyone
09:20	mircea_popescu	so then .5 * 20 / .005 * 10000
09:20	mircea_popescu	seems to me...
09:22	herbijudlestoids	maybe 0.5% is too much, thats 30 million people, you took me literally sir
09:22	mircea_popescu	well, if you model the same way it's 50% vs 100%
09:22	mircea_popescu	because all people are interested in bitcoin the way all women are interested in sucking it.
09:23	ThickAsThieves	"We have received positive reply from Havelock and an application form. Business plan is under development."
09:23	Vexual	i do some handy rope work
09:23	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i guess that sums it up.
09:23	ThickAsThieves	lol
09:23	ThickAsThieves	IPO first, questions later
09:23	mircea_popescu	it's remarkable how little people understand of what they're actually saying.
09:23	mircea_popescu	it's almost as if they have no business training at all.
09:23	mircea_popescu	kramerica industries ftw!
09:24	ThickAsThieves	training, they havent left the house
09:24	Vexual	ill invert some braid like it was made like that
09:24	mircea_popescu	that's ambiguous. do you mean as in otaku or do you mean as in, still being underage.
09:24	herbijudlestoids	a solitary man with a messy apartment which may or may not contain a chicken
09:24	ThickAsThieves	i mean they havent done drugs and been in a porno
09:24	mircea_popescu	Vexual you know there's a lot of aussie chicks into being roped up.
09:24	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves ahahaha win.
09:25	Vexual	yeah they don't pay for good ropework
09:25	mircea_popescu	they could all call themselves buck naked
09:25	mircea_popescu	and then we could have buck naked does X obscure town in kanuckistan, volume 75984576985
09:25	herbijudlestoids	buck in kanuck
09:25	mircea_popescu	Vexual maybe they pay in kind.
09:26	Vexual	i mainly do boats
09:26	mircea_popescu	vexual's crochet yacht ?
09:26	ThickAsThieves	so blockr.io won't host an ATC block explorer, yet
09:26	mircea_popescu	(all new material) ?
09:26	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves says who ?
09:26	Vexual	yes, i can read japanese too
09:26	ThickAsThieves	the staff
09:26	mircea_popescu	meh.
09:26	herbijudlestoids	porncoin
09:26	herbijudlestoids	boobcoin
09:26	ThickAsThieves	"I'm not familiar how coinmarketcap.com works but I was certain I'd find you there. Did you not request to be added there?
09:26	ThickAsThieves	"
09:26	herbijudlestoids	ghmm, nope
09:26	ThickAsThieves	also
09:27	ThickAsThieves	"Unfortunatelly that's almost all that we've done. And there's so much more we want to do with blockr. So we made a decision to stop adding new coins for some time."
09:27	Vexual	pictures and shit
09:27	ThickAsThieves	"We'll add new features to blockr and then we'll proceed with second phase of adding coins. Blockr is modular and ATC doesn't seem to be problematic to add. We'll make a public announcement when phase II starts."
09:27	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves sounds to me like you got support. give it a few.
09:28	Vexual	if you want the real alt you dont wanna be in every marketplace
09:28	ThickAsThieves	yeah no need to force it
09:28	ThickAsThieves	just putting it out there
09:29	ThickAsThieves	an explorer will be nice
09:29	Vexual	got a server?
09:29	ThickAsThieves	a couple
09:29	Vexual	i cant afford underpants
09:29	mircea_popescu	Perlboy bugpowder went and explained it to people on the forum ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=jvs9l9mqvr6d3hnql5bfs445b1&topic=449354.msg4959357#msg4959357 ) and it has been discussed here in public plus a bunch of kids with blogs wanted to "interview" me or w/e.
09:29	herbijudlestoids	Vexual: ill host your underpants
09:30	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: whats the link for altcoin again?
09:30	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves was blockchain.info os ?
09:30	ThickAsThieves	www.therealaltcoin.org
09:31	ThickAsThieves	the source is in the forum link
09:31	ThickAsThieves	os?
09:31	herbijudlestoids	open source
09:31	Perlboy	mircea_popescu, appreciate the answer so thanks. So in summary someone gambled the price would goto 4000->5000 by end of February?
09:31	ThickAsThieves	oh
09:31	ThickAsThieves	i doubt it
09:31	ThickAsThieves	ill dig
09:31	kakobrekla	tat blockr will add atc
09:31	mircea_popescu	Perlboy nah, it's a lot finer than that. basically gambled price will go up
09:31	Perlboy	cause that's the way bugpowders response read.
09:32	mircea_popescu	magically THE NEXT FUCKING DAY the price went down
09:32	mircea_popescu	Perlboy naked puts work like this : you make money by the price rising up to your strike. so in the 800-5k per interval, the puts slowly made money for the seller.
09:32	herbijudlestoids	Perlboy: i tried to explain it to nubbins yesterday (in depth) if you wanna look through the logs
09:32	mircea_popescu	obviously in the 0-800 interval they lose money.
09:33	ThickAsThieves	<kakobrekla> tat blockr will add atc --- you know them?
09:33	kakobrekla	ThickAsThieves , i talked to mah bois after you got dumped
09:33	ThickAsThieves	word
09:33	Perlboy	herbijudlestoids, yep k, will grep
09:33	herbijudlestoids	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#486309
09:33	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
09:33	Perlboy	mircea_popescu, let me go log read rather than waste more of your time..
09:33	Vexual	tat you're doing it wrong
09:33	ThickAsThieves	i need to fire up my wot again, it's been a long time
09:33	Perlboy	:)
09:33	mircea_popescu	someone needs to dig up mpoe-pr's old posts
09:33	mircea_popescu	she included graphs for womenz and other visual thinkers.
09:33	mircea_popescu	i think they help a lot, personally.
09:34	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: you can just google short put to see the payoff graphs for it ;)
09:34	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl83mI69nX4
09:34	mircea_popescu	oh. yeah, in retrospect, she did graphs for the mining diff complex hedge thing, not for this.
09:34	ozbot	Lupe Fiasco - Kick Push (Video) (Album Version) - YouTube
09:34	mircea_popescu	nm.
09:35	Vexual	price it like hydro
09:35	Vexual	water
09:36	herbijudlestoids	ok foods ready, imma go back to my movie, hope the explanation doesnt burn your eyes Perlboy
09:36	Perlboy	herbijudlestoids, hehe, it did a little bit but i'll read it again tomorrow
09:37	Vexual	what u watching finserv?
09:37	Perlboy	for me i'm just trying to understand the instrument, definitely the most complex i've seen in btc space
09:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [-]
09:38	Vexual	which instrument?
09:38	herbijudlestoids	those short puts everyone is gibbering about
09:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [-]
09:41	Vexual	herbi what movie?
09:41	herbijudlestoids	donnie brasco
09:41	Perlboy	Vexual, assbot puts
09:41	Perlboy	:)
09:43	Vexual	never herd that sentece before old man
09:45	ThickAsThieves	worst web design ever https://www.coins-e.com/
09:45	ThickAsThieves	dat grid
09:46	ThickAsThieves	stare at it for a minute then try seeing
09:46	Vexual	who ate my sushi?
09:46	Vexual	i havent seen a human for a month
09:47	ThickAsThieves	are any of these altcoin exchanges from someone trustworthy?
09:47	Vexual	anyone got an ameail for belushi?
09:47	ThickAsThieves	;;google belushi email address
09:47	gribble	The Jim Belushi Website: <http://www.jimbelushi.ws/>; Jim Belushi (JimBelushi) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/JimBelushi>; Windy City Native Jim Belushi's Newest Role: Chicago Bears Fan In ...: <http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201309/windy-city-native-jim-belushis-newest-role-chicago-bears-fan>
09:49	Vexual	you need an atc btc exchange
09:49	kakobrekla	i had one coded
09:49	ThickAsThieves	yes, but i feel dirty telling people to go to these sites
09:49	Vexual	cant call it the altcoin zand hope for cryptsy
09:49	kakobrekla	if onle i could find sauce
09:50	ThickAsThieves	let's get listed on mcxnow so everyone can get robbed! no thanks
09:53	wao-ender	:D
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.51603 = 5.1603 BTC [-] {9}
09:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0705 = 0.141 BTC [+] {2}
09:58	Vexual	theyre taken the salami
09:59	ThickAsThieves	everywhere they go
10:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.516 = 1.032 BTC [-]
10:00	Vexual	im devestated
10:01	herbijudlestoids	lost yer beer again?
10:01	Vexual	noome ghost hoas been in my fridge and just left the cheeze
10:02	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> yes, but i feel dirty telling people to go to these sites << this is a problem.
10:02	mircea_popescu	tho, let them learn to otc.
10:02	Vexual	its nit even an internet fridge
10:02	mircea_popescu	not like everyone has to have alt nao.
10:04	ThickAsThieves	;;gettrust Apocalyptc
10:04	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Apocalyptc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Apocalyptc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Apocalyptc | Rated since: never
10:05	ThickAsThieves	;;gettrust Apocalyptic
10:05	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Apocalyptic!~Apocalypt@unaffiliated/apocalyptic. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Apocalyptic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Apocalyptic | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Apocalyptic | Rated since: Mon Jul 15 09:32:50 2013
10:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.07225 = 0.289 BTC [+] {2}
10:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]
10:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
10:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-]
10:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-]
10:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.131 = 1.31 BTC [+] {3}
10:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
10:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+]
10:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.13 = 0.26 BTC [-]
10:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06700001 = 0.201 BTC [-]
10:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+]
10:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
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10:56	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/
10:56	ozbot	On periphery and the peripheral. Ephemerides are also mentioned. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Pope
10:57	mircea_popescu	pretty much the earlier log, with ample commentary
10:57	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids gets it pretty bad :D
11:02	kakobrekla	give him some time, he is new
11:03	Duffer1	It’s just that you’re new here and haven’t gone through the training process.vi
11:03	Duffer1	>.<
11:03	Duffer1	better to learn before than after
11:03	kakobrekla	ah right, i commented just the comments havent read through
11:04	Duffer1	oh i was referring to the training process footnote hehe
11:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51503333 = 1.5451 BTC [-] {3}
11:10	FabianB	;;bc,stats
11:10	gribble	Current Blocks: 284821 | Current Difficulty: 2.6214044530646152E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 286271 | Next Difficulty In: 1450 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 3 hours, 30 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3056142038.47 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.58415
11:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51000121 BTC [-]
11:14	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.MAR] 60 @ 0.0030425 = 0.1826 BTC [-] {4}
11:15	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: if that's me "getting it bad" then im happy to get it so, i prefer the discussion, or at the very minimum to be able to hear and consider new viewpoints
11:21	Duffer1	read footnote xiii
11:21	Duffer1	i would call that getting it bad
11:22	herbijudlestoids	lol im craig wood now?
11:22	herbijudlestoids	who is craig wood?
11:22	Duffer1	ciphermine/ciphertrade "ceo"
11:23	Duffer1	MtF trans
11:23	herbijudlestoids	ok...so whats that to do with me?
11:23	herbijudlestoids	that bit of the conversation was with ThickAsThieves?
11:23	Duffer1	oh i didn't mean to imply it did
11:23	Duffer1	just an example of someone that "got it bad"
11:24	Duffer1	does that make sense?
11:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 249 @ 0.00086877 = 0.2163 BTC [+] {6}
11:26	herbijudlestoids	hehe i guess so. i feel like im getting what i want out of conversations (mostly) on this chan, so happy for it to be blogged or whatever
11:26	Duffer1	hang around. learn much. wow
11:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00085468 = 30.2557 BTC [-]
11:27	herbijudlestoids	Duffer1: i keep in contact with my ex boss...showed him some of the logs from this chan, he said and i quote "sounds like youve finally found some people who can keep you occupied"
11:27	Diablo-D3	oh snap, you got told
11:27	Duffer1	hehe
11:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07033333 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2}
11:28	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids that's what sane people say.
11:29	herbijudlestoids	Diablo-D3: did i? lol i was in the conversation, was there a facet of me getting told that i missed
11:29	Diablo-D3	herbijudlestoids: you got told. pretty sure.
11:29	herbijudlestoids	haha ok, maybe i missed something
11:30	mircea_popescu	anyway. i love you all!
11:30	Diablo-D3	no you dont
11:31	kakobrekla	and you still want mp to take lsd
11:31	herbijudlestoids	the message i took away was that theres no real reason to change from the existing WoT, which i assumed wasnt distributed, because ThickAsThieves said he wanted a more distributedy WoT
11:32	herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: well itd certainly make conversations about why people might try it a little easier
11:32	mircea_popescu	lol
11:33	herbijudlestoids	but no i dont necessarily want him to try it, i dont have some kind of dogma where everyone should try drugs or whatever
11:34	asciilifeform	did someone actually explain how one might build a working 'distributed wot' or merely insisted that it must be done?
11:34	herbijudlestoids	yea, i was proposing some things before mircea_popescu showed up, his log only starts from there
11:35	herbijudlestoids	nothing especially genius
11:35	Diablo-D3	asciilifeform: the easy way is to just use pgp ;)
11:35	herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: but it sounds like the existing WoT is already distributable
11:36	Diablo-D3	wotcoin
11:36	Diablo-D3	lulz
11:36	asciilifeform	distributable != distributed
11:37	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's not a trivial problem, a distributed wot.
11:37	Diablo-D3	actually, it kind of is a trivial problem
11:37	Diablo-D3	you're just stating the problem wrong
11:37	mircea_popescu	a trusted wot so far wins on practical grounds. not that i think it's a bad idea a proper distributed implementation should be made
11:37	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: certainly not. which is why i was somewhat surprised to hear of it
11:37	mircea_popescu	in fact afaik that's what nanotube's been working on
11:38	mircea_popescu	the only thing is... it has to be done well, as opposed to just done so someone can go to conferences herpderping about 3d printed wots
11:39	asciilifeform	the 'trivial solution' would be, somewhat obviously: everybody pgp-signs all wot ops, and people simply mirror the results
11:39	mircea_popescu	cybil
11:39	asciilifeform	(anyone can download the history and re-tally the scores.)
11:40	asciilifeform	the wot as we have it now is perfectly sybil-able
11:40	asciilifeform	hence the precaution, explained to all newcomers, of ignoring absolute scores and looking at the 'who'
11:40	herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: from what i understand the existing each "centralised" WoT can talk to other WoTs, and assign trust to them http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#490339
11:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1598 @ 0.00085468 = 1.3658 BTC [-]
11:41	mircea_popescu	yes, but, sy1's rating of sy2 does not carry my signature
11:41	mircea_popescu	and i wouldn't want to pgp sign it either
11:42	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids well, technically, they'd have to talk to it, but yes.
11:42	herbijudlestoids	they? it?
11:43	mircea_popescu	they = other wots ; it = this wot.
11:43	herbijudlestoids	yea, yep
11:43	herbijudlestoids	thats the way im visualising it in my head now
11:43	herbijudlestoids	multiple connected "small worlds"
11:43	mircea_popescu	sounds like a winner, really.
11:43	herbijudlestoids	^
11:43	herbijudlestoids	from what you said earlier, i assumed its possible already without any additoinal code
11:43	mircea_popescu	much better to have decentralised city-states run by one man
11:43	herbijudlestoids	did i misunderstand?
11:44	mircea_popescu	than to have either world empire run by one man or world bureaucracy
11:44	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids well, the aditional code would be they need to talk to gribble.
11:44	mircea_popescu	the code is already written tho.
11:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12660001 BTC [-]
11:45	herbijudlestoids	right...so yea...
11:45	mircea_popescu	yeah.
11:45	mircea_popescu	it's fargo two and they'll shoot it all in la...
11:46	herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: so, yea? yea.
11:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12500001 BTC [-]
11:47	herbijudlestoids	so gribble is officially the -otc bot right, not the -assets bot?
11:47	mircea_popescu	assbot is the assets bot run by kakobrekla.
11:47	mircea_popescu	gribble is the bitcoin bot, run by nanotube, who's been kind enough to add it here.
11:48	mircea_popescu	ozbot i think is scrat's ? or who run that ?
11:48	mircea_popescu	and mpexbot is run by smickles
11:48	assbot	dude, i run kakobrekla.
11:48	mircea_popescu	that too.
11:49	herbijudlestoids	but only gribble is the arbiter for WoT right? like gribble connects to same backend as -otc website?
11:49	mircea_popescu	yes.
11:49	mircea_popescu	it's a good interface because freenode is ddos resistent
11:49	mircea_popescu	and irc bots are really not that hard to talk to
11:50	ThickAsThieves	jezzz runs ozbot
11:50	herbijudlestoids	so lets say i want to run ozWoT, for cool oz kids like myself, and i clone the code off github (or wherever it lives) and setup my own gribblesque bot, users talking to my bot should be able to rate users through gribble and vice versa
11:50	mircea_popescu	vice versa i doubt
11:51	mircea_popescu	but i guess if you keep cloning the wot you may display more or less in sync results independently
11:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.0008553 = 19.2443 BTC [+]
11:51	herbijudlestoids	so all the extra bots are periphery
11:51	mircea_popescu	course it's... "independently"
11:52	herbijudlestoids	so if the -otc WoT goes down, then users of my WoT can still rate other users in the same web, and interrogate the local cache of the -otc WoT, but they cant push ratings around the graph (outside the local WoT)
11:52	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids gribble will see an "ozwot" guy, and that "ozwot" guy will be rating people in wot
11:53	mircea_popescu	and wot users who actually wish to rate people in ozwot would talk to ozbot
11:53	herbijudlestoids	right right, ok so gribble can at best assign trust to the ozwot guy rather than individuals within
11:53	mircea_popescu	it wouldn't particularly assign trust to the gateway
11:53	mircea_popescu	no reason you want that, really, i know it's a gateway, woting it is meaningless.
11:53	mircea_popescu	(look at gribble's own rating, or
11:53	herbijudlestoids	right
11:53	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust paypal
11:53	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user paypal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=paypal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=paypal | Rated since: Sat Aug 25 19:56:10 2012
11:54	mircea_popescu	then once enough people actually want to rate someone in ozwot they'll keep bitching at nanotube who will eventually add a back flow.
11:54	herbijudlestoids	so users of ozwot can query both local and -otc wot members (and any others in the list i guess), but gribble users have to query two WoTs to get the same coverage
11:54	mircea_popescu	or else he won't, and if the people hate it enough wot will die out
11:54	mircea_popescu	all natural.
11:54	herbijudlestoids	yea, seems ok to me...
11:55	mircea_popescu	the only drawback is that it's not instantaneous, which makes it "unrevolutionary"
11:55	mircea_popescu	which in turn makes it great.
11:55	herbijudlestoids	i mean as a method of distributing the WoT
11:55	mircea_popescu	myeah.
11:56	herbijudlestoids	i downloaded a chinese gangster movie but it has no subtitles :(
11:57	ThickAsThieves	pop in The Wall?
11:57	herbijudlestoids	i dont know cantonese or mandarin either :(
11:58	Duffer1	lol TaT
11:58	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: hmmm though ok... "ozwot guy" cant rate users through gribble unless it has a rating...
11:58	ThickAsThieves	as far as the wot distribution problem, i think i have an idea, outside services that integrate with it
11:58	ThickAsThieves	like, a social media site
11:59	ThickAsThieves	wotbook
11:59	ThickAsThieves	or such
11:59	ThickAsThieves	some way to get interfaces and easy use
11:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.93429002 BTC to 974 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
11:59	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: so hax elgg to query gribble
11:59	herbijudlestoids	and then host that elgg
12:00	ThickAsThieves	asking the wrong guy
12:00	herbijudlestoids	shit 4am
12:01	ThickAsThieves	people would probably eat up a wotbook right now, could even kill bitcointalk
12:02	ThickAsThieves	cuz community and being a part of something
12:03	Duffer1	that's quite an interesting idea
12:04	herbijudlestoids	the problem is do people in the wot want to "socialise"
12:05	ThickAsThieves	no
12:05	herbijudlestoids	like if i bought some BTC off you one time and rated you, now youre in my wotbook feed?
12:05	ThickAsThieves	thats not the problem at all
12:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.0008553 = 1.6251 BTC [+]
12:05	ThickAsThieves	so opposite
12:05	ThickAsThieves	this isnt about trying to get people who already use wot to use wot
12:06	herbijudlestoids	right now the WoT is based on business transactions, youre proposing something where people just build a social graph
12:06	ThickAsThieves	well, a reputation ledger
12:07	ThickAsThieves	an identity
12:07	herbijudlestoids	so, not wotbook then
12:07	ThickAsThieves	well depends which part of the idea you mean
12:07	herbijudlestoids	the existing WoT is a reputation ledger.
12:07	ThickAsThieves	wotbook was to help distibution
12:07	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids yes but all it needs is a 1
12:08	herbijudlestoids	it?
12:08	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the drivers of btctalk are scamming and derping.
12:09	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids dude you highlighted me first!
12:09	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: ah right, yep
12:09	mircea_popescu	yeah.
12:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.003081 = 0.1479 BTC [+]
12:09	mircea_popescu	#bitcoin-fargochannel
12:09	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: what im trying to say is, if the reputation ledge is built on the back of wotbook then its just a social graph.
12:10	herbijudlestoids	i vote my mate joe up because hes my mate joe!
12:10	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you read mpoe-pr's post re wot and how to use it ?
12:10	herbijudlestoids	not because joe delivered 100 BTC to me successfully
12:10	mircea_popescu	sounds like btctalk alright.
12:10	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: nope havent...i got a WoT account and messed with gribble on it already
12:11	ThickAsThieves	i vote my mate joe up because hes my mate joe! --- this person will get rep with people that value that
12:11	herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: i think the reputation ledger has value specifically because its business transactions
12:11	ThickAsThieves	you cant start discerning between which ratings are meaningful or not yourself, thats the whole point of the damn system
12:11	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871
12:11	mircea_popescu	there you go.
12:11	ozbot	Reputation system?
12:12	ThickAsThieves	solve the problems independently, as in
12:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.52995492 = 2.1198 BTC [+] {3}
12:12	ThickAsThieves	okay you wanna discern business trust from social trust?
12:12	ThickAsThieves	let people categorize
12:12	herbijudlestoids	just got this sms: NOTICE: your mobile no. has been singled out for a claim of 800,00GBP from Android Mobile UK contact us on androiduk@live.co.uk for more
12:13	herbijudlestoids	im gonna be rich, so long suckers!
12:13	mircea_popescu	cya
12:13	Duffer1	isn't @live the microsoft system?
12:14	Duffer1	xbox etc..
12:14	mircea_popescu	nm that.
12:15	herbijudlestoids	lel
12:15	herbijudlestoids	Duffer1: also i live in australia and dont own an android mobile?
12:15	Duffer1	sounds legit
12:15	mircea_popescu	australia is part of the uk no ?
12:15	herbijudlestoids	har
12:15	mircea_popescu	you got the queen and everything dontcha ?
12:15	herbijudlestoids	yea
12:16	mircea_popescu	so then.
12:16	herbijudlestoids	we still a commonwealth
12:16	mircea_popescu	that;s what they told you.
12:16	mircea_popescu	you're living in a dictatorship
12:16	herbijudlestoids	dont take it literally, its just what they call it
12:16	ThickAsThieves	https://nobs.is i made an account for the hell of it
12:16	ozbot	NOBS - Cryptocurrency Social Network - The Global Village
12:16	mircea_popescu	a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes
12:16	ThickAsThieves	waiting for admin approval
12:16	herbijudlestoids	like Great Britain..is it really so great?
12:17	ThickAsThieves	only working site i found claiming to be social network for crypto
12:17	ThickAsThieves	whatever that means
12:17	mircea_popescu	dear channel, allow me to recount my sad story.
12:18	mircea_popescu	it is a story of hope, blogging and unbridled enthusiasm, in which I, a crookeyed optimist, tried to use my five year old heavily modified wordpress installation to post things.
12:18	mircea_popescu	part and parcel of this being showing the people tits. until one day!
12:18	mircea_popescu	for one day, when i went to add a new pair of tits, the "insert image" button simply redirected me to a random page of my blog
12:19	mircea_popescu	instead of taking me back to the publishing box with the pre-prepared html code referencing the image
12:19	mircea_popescu	and i was mighty sad
12:19	mircea_popescu	and i cursed
12:19	mircea_popescu	and swore
12:19	mircea_popescu	and made the poor unfortunate junior dev read my entire installantion, in spite of it not having been modified, to find wtf
12:19	mircea_popescu	and then made a junior sysadmin look through the logs
12:19	mircea_popescu	and they found nothing and i was livid with fury
12:19	mircea_popescu	and i broke a keyboard into pieces
12:20	mircea_popescu	because motherfucking god almighty if it works today and it doesn't work tomorrow i wish the world entire to burn.
12:20	mircea_popescu	and so they wrote me a thing to go around it.
12:20	mircea_popescu	a month later, i couldn't connect to my blog. like at all.
12:20	mircea_popescu	and i was in the middle of the posting.
12:20	mircea_popescu	which made me furious.
12:20	mircea_popescu	but then people were wtf are you about, i see it
12:21	mircea_popescu	and lo and behold! for i saw with mine owne eyes downforeveryone saying lelz at me
12:21	mircea_popescu	so then i screamed obscenities in a lengthy single breath of fifty eight minutes
12:21	mircea_popescu	and eventually we discovere dthe newly installed mod_security comes with rules now.
12:21	mircea_popescu	which rules block fucking wordpress from injecting itself with itself
12:21	mircea_popescu	which is how it works
12:21	mircea_popescu	also joomla
12:21	mircea_popescu	because security
12:22	mircea_popescu	and because updates
12:22	mircea_popescu	and because damn it all to hell WHAT IS THIS!
12:22	mircea_popescu	~ fin ~
12:22	herbijudlestoids	lelel
12:23	ThickAsThieves	so do you still use wordpress?
12:23	mircea_popescu	yes.
12:23	assbot	Last 60 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1593008/plain/)
12:23	kakobrekla	!b 60
12:23	mircea_popescu	lol
12:23	ThickAsThieves	kako you beat me!
12:23	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you of course missed all the /me stuff, which is half the value here.
12:23	Duffer1	that was a pretty good bit
12:24	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 i made it up!
12:24	kakobrekla	yeah ill fix dat
12:24	herbijudlestoids	its like teh biblez
12:24	Duffer1	the /me stuff really brought it home
12:24	kakobrekla	sathaph alrady
12:25	herbijudlestoids	this channel is as bad for my sleep habits as GTA5 was
12:25	herbijudlestoids	even vex has gone to bed
12:26	mircea_popescu	yes but vex drinks
12:26	herbijudlestoids	yea alright, this is it. goodnight gentlemenz and womanz
12:26	mircea_popescu	if you had that experience you'd sleep better.
12:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1230 @ 0.00085771 = 1.055 BTC [+]
12:27	pankkake	"I think this coin really needs an official exchange rate"
12:28	mircea_popescu	say "no because unlike the others this is decentralised"
12:29	BingoBoingo	Apparently after I bought Altcoins at 150, the next buyer went at 180. Looks like Altcoin is growing up into a real, bubbly Altcoin.
12:30	mircea_popescu	wait so i could sell for a profeet ?
12:30	ThickAsThieves	nobody likes a skinny Santa
12:30	pankkake	I hope so, I mined it to become rich
12:30	mircea_popescu	i didn't mine it but i bought some to be cool
12:30	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Prolly. So far the big liquidity providers are all selling though.
12:31	mircea_popescu	also to stick it to ThickAsThieves who doesn't have any
12:31	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you wish you took max keiser's advice and bought it when it was 80 don't you now!
12:31	BingoBoingo	If the Dogers push it past 1000 satoshis per I might part with my 31337
12:31	ThickAsThieves	no one will sell to me
12:31	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo weren't they freefalling from 200 ?
12:31	ThickAsThieves	even before you
12:32	kakobrekla	where are you pulling these numbers from
12:32	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves maybe if you put a shoe on head ?
12:32	ThickAsThieves	maybe
12:32	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i have a rng.
12:32	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Doge seems to be. If they can get the joke though the Doge users might start pumping Altcoin though.
12:33	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i always thought what ThickAsThieves was trying to accomplish with those coelho quotes is make it sound esl enough for the doge crowd.
12:33	kakobrekla	doesnt seem so random to me!
12:33	mircea_popescu	lies
12:33	mircea_popescu	and slander.
12:33	kakobrekla	fu
12:33	mircea_popescu	eh go make an ice cube
12:33	mircea_popescu	slovenia's new export industry.
12:34	kakobrekla	i dont need to make those, they come out when i turn on the shower
12:34	mircea_popescu	lol
12:34	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: So do I. Dogers are probably waiting for some sort of exchange-ish thing because grepping WoT and OTC is hard for them, because reading
12:34	mircea_popescu	wait, all slovene women had to wash in cold water after sex these past weeks ?
12:34	mircea_popescu	the whole... what was it, 19 of them ?
12:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19913 @ 0.0001465 = 2.9173 BTC [+] {11}
12:35	kakobrekla	yes, 18 now after recount
12:35	mircea_popescu	speaking of which, wouldn't it be cool to live in one of these so called countries in europe or w/e ? when they have like 50 women total
12:35	ThickAsThieves	one was named Kate?
12:35	mircea_popescu	and you don't need to ask anyone her phone number, cause they give them consecutive numbers
12:35	mircea_popescu	so you just bruteforce it, dial girl01-girl50
12:35	mircea_popescu	till you find her.
12:36	mircea_popescu	ok ppl stop dialing girlxxx
12:36	mircea_popescu	it was a joke ok ?
12:37	mircea_popescu	jesus what if it works for srs.
12:37	mircea_popescu	brb
12:37	KRS-One	http://pastebin.com/BULn0xg5
12:37	ozbot	<xabbix> MagicalTux the only viable option for you guys to keep customers after - Pastebin.com
12:38	kakobrekla	shit free view : http://pastebin.com/BULn0xg5
12:38	kakobrekla	hm
12:38	mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BULn0xg5
12:38	kakobrekla	dafuq
12:38	mircea_popescu	noobs.
12:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 91 @ 0.0055 = 0.5005 BTC
12:39	kakobrekla	something is not right
12:39	kakobrekla	dunno whaves nvm
12:39	kakobrekla	nsa prolly
12:41	mircea_popescu	self ownage more like it amirite
12:41	kakobrekla	whats with you picking on the little people
12:42	mircea_popescu	shit
12:42	mircea_popescu	you weren't supposed to notice that
12:42	mircea_popescu	i was wearing the juice!
12:42	mircea_popescu	(ref : http://www.omg-facts.com/Interesting/A-Man-Robbed-A-Bank-Wearing-Only-Lemon-J/54879 )
12:42	BingoBoingo	Is this the real vexual? http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/02/08/sage_kotsenburg_wins_slopestyle_gold_medal_with_1620_japan_jump.html
12:46	mircea_popescu	lol good for him
12:48	mircea_popescu	05:07:57 punkman1: Scuola di Assets http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Sanzio_01.jpg << yay this.
12:48	mircea_popescu	one of the better paintings of the renaissance. all those people going "and what is THIS supposed to be then!"
12:56	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids:now obviously small fry 100GH/s is nothing but i thought it was interesting << no, it's not interesting. the reason is the problem of herding cats.
12:56	mircea_popescu	specifically, a farm made out of 5000 individual computers all different would cost more to run than to burn down
12:56	mircea_popescu	just so with a patchwork of miners, god help you if you imagine you can buy random odds and ends off ebay at a nominal profit
12:57	mircea_popescu	you'll never be able to squeeze it out operationally.
12:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00469 = 0.938 BTC [-]
12:58	mircea_popescu	benkay: baby doll doesn't even care terribly, and boy does she put out when she gets jealous << now you gotta photodocument this.
12:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share
13:01	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids: like the charts you can see on mpex.co already, i just dont think theyre portraying useful info << me either. what's one to do, no pics at all ?!
13:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.127 = 0.381 BTC [+] {3}
13:05	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids: 20% was the lowest ROC i found << unless you normalized to some absurd time interval (month ?) 20% is not the lowest.
13:05	mircea_popescu	the natural time interval for btc is "two weeks" aka 2096 blocks. and there have been eve ndrops.
13:05	mircea_popescu	there was also a 400% and some 3xxish%
13:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00469 = 0.2439 BTC [-]
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC
13:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC
13:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0705 = 0.141 BTC [-] {2}
13:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.07198332 = 0.4319 BTC [+] {2}
13:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.07199999 = 0.432 BTC [+] {2}
13:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.125 = 0.25 BTC [-] {2}
13:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.07275 = 0.291 BTC [+] {2}
13:43	mod6	;;view
13:43	gribble	#19517 Fri Feb 7 20:10:59 2014 mod6 BUY 100000.0 ATC @ 1.5e-06 BTC (Want to buy 100,000 ATC for a total of 0.15 BTC, must have WoT rating. PM me.)
13:43	mod6	hit me up if you want to do a trade for a smaller amt too.
13:44	mod6	we can make a deal.
13:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.04899998 = 0.245 BTC [+] {3}
13:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2973 @ 0.00014516 = 0.4316 BTC [-] {4}
13:53	jurov	http://lifeboat.com/images/optics.clothing.jpg should come with remote
13:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.0055 = 0.132 BTC
13:55	benkay	good morning
13:55	kakobrekla	hi
13:56	jurov	hi
14:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
14:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
14:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 198 @ 0.003081 = 0.61 BTC [-]
14:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13201 @ 0.00085708 = 11.3143 BTC [-] {2}
14:26	deadweasel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZigyrD23rQk
14:26	ozbot	Toddlers boxing match gets nasty - YouTube
14:26	deadweasel	need to bring this back, asap,, for the children
14:31	mircea_popescu	o ty.
14:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04897964 = 0.2449 BTC [+]
14:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.0030825 = 0.1356 BTC [+]
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14:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52999999 = 3.71 BTC [+] {5}
14:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00531689 = 0.3775 BTC [+] {10}
14:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 498 @ 0.000463 = 0.2306 BTC [+]
14:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.0030825 = 0.111 BTC [+]
14:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00085771 = 14.7955 BTC [+]
15:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.125 = 0.875 BTC [-]
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15:35	benkay	you know what's hilarious? biking on six inches of snow is hilarious.
15:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+]
15:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [-]
15:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06890001 = 0.2067 BTC [-]
15:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07235 = 0.7235 BTC [+] {4}
15:56	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/d82a6d16505851e5f4d7be3d2a2320e2/tumblr_mf20j4hXVT1rfc12eo1_400.gif << this could be the bitcoin-assets mascot.
15:58	nubbins`	;;bc,xag
15:58	gribble	1 XAG = 20.020000000000 USD = 0.0300555472151 BTC
15:59	nubbins`	;;bc,xau
15:59	gribble	1 XAU = 1268.100000000000 USD = 1.90376820297 BTC
15:59	FabianB	;;ticker --market all
16:00	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 675.99997, vol: 20519.85822884 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 709.98, vol: 10021.29115479 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 711.0, vol: 9863.89301 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 708.5, vol: 6743.9665196 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 726.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 750.797945, vol: 6516.39000000 | Volume-weighted last average: 701.945034121
16:00	benkay	coins on sale, coins on sale
16:00	mircea_popescu	actually it went up a lot
16:00	mircea_popescu	wasn't it 500ish ?
16:01	benkay	no idea, i don't watch the price
16:01	nubbins`	bitcoinity bottoms out around 660
16:01	benkay	my sample rate is like 1/week
16:01	mircea_popescu	ah ok
16:01	mircea_popescu	benkay im about the same way
16:01	nubbins`	yeah, same here, if that
16:01	nubbins`	there comes a point where it doesn't really matter what the price is
16:02	punkman1	chinese exchanges seem stuck around $750, http://btckan.com/price
16:02	mircea_popescu	punkman1 i still don't know which are at all trustable.
16:02	benkay	that'd be the difference between an investor and a trader.
16:02	nubbins`	benkay, nod
16:02	punkman1	mircea_popescu: we need some chinese dudes
16:02	nubbins`	actually
16:03	nubbins`	which of those two cares about the price?
16:03	mircea_popescu	punkman1 indeed.
16:03	mircea_popescu	or at least someone with a weird name.
16:03	benkay	i'm thinking sample frequency as indicator, nubbins`
16:04	nubbins`	a-ha.
16:04	nubbins`	yes, sure
16:04	FabianB	davout is the only one in this chan which kinda represents a fiat-btc exchange, no?
16:05	benkay	don't think there's much 'kinda' about davout's operation.
16:05	mircea_popescu	wasn't kakobrekla running that btcstamp or w/e, slovenian exchange ?
16:06	mircea_popescu	lol someone's watching the logs
16:06	mircea_popescu	FabianB you were fluent in mandarin iirc /
16:06	mircea_popescu	?
16:06	jurov	interesting leak mircea...so nejc and the other dude are just white horses?
16:06	FabianB	benkay: with kinda i didn't mean the exchange itself, just dunno if ceo or whatever role
16:06	jurov	and kako rund bitstamp?
16:07	mircea_popescu	jurov shit i gave the jig away ?
16:07	davout	mircea_popescu: pure randomness
16:07	FabianB	mircea_popescu: no, i wish, i only know some basics
16:07	davout	where is your cardano now?
16:07	mircea_popescu	hahaha
16:07	pankkake	jurov: yes, thus his 500 BTC car
16:07	mircea_popescu	he also runs an icecube factory.
16:08	nubbins`	rng based on davout's joins/parts
16:08	nubbins`	you know, vexual would make a pretty good meat-based rng
16:08	mircea_popescu	just hash what he says ?
16:09	pankkake	what he says is made of hash
16:09	mircea_popescu	thus therefore, infinite entropy.
16:09	jurov	what if it's actually the other way around?
16:10	jurov	he's saving stuff in the logs
16:10	mircea_popescu	lol
16:10	nubbins`	ooh
16:10	nubbins`	this bears further consideration
16:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00015499 = 0.775 BTC [+] {3}
16:11	mircea_popescu	https://31.media.tumblr.com/429db2a5ee3f5d7ad58a28df6aee0b96/tumblr_inline_n04mrqwJgg1rwpb4e.gif
16:11	mircea_popescu	nubbins off to further considerate.
16:12	Duffer1	ha
16:12	davout	jurov: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Central/status/403849351564652544
16:12	nubbins`	once in korea when hiking in the mountains i stumbled across a small park with 2.5m diameter hula hoops
16:13	nubbins`	made out of curved 3" pvc pipe
16:13	nubbins`	brutal on your abs, fun tho
16:13	nubbins`	not as fun as mixing metric and imperial units, but hey
16:13	mircea_popescu	davout you need better dice than that.
16:13	nubbins`	i'm a product of my upbringing
16:13	jurov	and now mircea's pics are suspect, too :D
16:14	mircea_popescu	just by looking at them i can tell you they're at least 0.1% off
16:14	nubbins`	yeah
16:14	nubbins`	sorry state of affairs, those pips
16:15	davout	mircea_popescu: no more robocop movies for you
16:15	jurov	wut? you roll them million times and derive a secret key from the differences from mean?
16:15	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/gRxnT6j.jpg <<< this, for the record, is an actual living creature.
16:15	mircea_popescu	they just look like that.
16:15	deadweasel	http://ponzi.io/
16:15	nubbins`	haha yeah!
16:15	davout	such antennas, wow
16:16	nubbins`	i saw those guys in an attenborough-narrated doc once
16:16	nubbins`	always looking happy can be a curse tho, look at dolphins
16:16	jurov	http://ponzi.io/ IPO upcoming
16:16	mircea_popescu	jurov there's a variety of available attacks if the rng is badly biased.
16:17	jurov	even better if it is provably fair
16:19	nubbins`	so the opening ceremonies were quite the spectacle
16:19	nubbins`	pretty heavy on the russian beat-off tho
16:19	mircea_popescu	who opened ?
16:19	nubbins`	olympics
16:19	mircea_popescu	o o that.
16:20	nubbins`	we drank and counted the number of families that were condemned to death by their relatives fucking up their parts in the ceremony
16:20	nubbins`	http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72839000/jpg/_72839813_72839807.jpg
16:20	nubbins`	"the olympic rings"
16:21	jurov	you know the responsible dude was found dead already?
16:21	nubbins`	no, srs?
16:22	jurov	http://dailycurrant.com/2014/02/08/man-responsible-for-olympic-ring-mishap-found-dead-in-sochi/
16:22	nubbins`	parody news
16:22	jurov	oh my..i fell for it :/
16:23	nubbins`	currant vs current
16:23	nubbins`	:D
16:23	nubbins`	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Black_currant_fruit.jpg
16:23	nubbins`	it was easier when it was just the onion
16:23	nubbins`	team from bermuda (1 athlete, good for him!) wore red shorts for their uniform. outdoor stadium in russia in february.
16:23	nubbins`	there were no smiles
16:24	Duffer1	brilliant
16:24	nubbins`	i'm sure they thought so too when planning it
16:24	nubbins`	i'm picturing the canadian team showing up in snowsuits for the next summer olympics
16:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00543011 = 0.1249 BTC [+] {4}
16:27	B007	mircea_popescu: Do you hold in BTC or Fiat money?
16:27	mircea_popescu	do i hold what.
16:27	B007	money
16:27	mircea_popescu	right.
16:27	B007	right?
16:27	B007	so....
16:28	nubbins`	HEH
16:28	mircea_popescu	therefore.
16:28	nubbins`	he asked just in case you wondered whether he held his cock in btc or fiat
16:28	B007	my cock? I don't hold my cock
16:28	B007	someone else does
16:29	mircea_popescu	and they thought surrealism was a 1920s thing. ha! i say.
16:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]
16:29	lewicki	it is, after all, hard to get it into your own mouth without some help.
16:29	nubbins`	all things are cyclical, some cycles take longer than others
16:30	nubbins`	lewicki, try yoga
16:31	B007	I think I just walked into an exclusive club
16:31	nubbins`	you know, i honestly wonder sometimes when people give me carte blanche for designing shirts for their band
16:31	B007	And I'm ugly
16:31	nubbins`	B007, it's irc, everyone is ugly
16:32	mircea_popescu	B007 it's not that exclusive, but you gotta ask questions that can be answered.
16:33	nubbins`	honestly, i'm waiting for the day when i show someone a concept and they just ask me what my fucking problem is before walking away
16:33	B007	I see some might consider what I asked to be stupid
16:33	nubbins`	mildly confused every time it doesn't happen
16:33	B007	but you can't buy much with BTC
16:34	mircea_popescu	no, it just didn't make any sense.
16:34	nubbins`	B007, what do you want to buy with btc that you can't?
16:34	Duffer1	you can buy a lambo with btc
16:34	B007	really?
16:35	B007	I wonder how the creater feels about all this
16:35	B007	the creater of Bitcoin I mean
16:35	Duffer1	it's money you can buy stuff with it
16:35	nubbins`	^
16:35	B007	but is it safer than traditionally fiat?
16:36	B007	which doesn't flucuate as much
16:36	punkman1	eggs + 1 basket = tears
16:36	B007	true
16:38	B007	mircea_popescu: I think you have a bunch of 14 yr nude selfies now
16:39	mircea_popescu	what's "safer" mean.
16:40	B007	more secure
16:40	mircea_popescu	and secure means safer ?
16:40	B007	sometimes
16:41	punkman1	"Dangers are sum like a kold bath, very dangerous while you stand stripped on the bank, but often not only harmless, but invigorating, if you pitch into them."
16:41	mircea_popescu	punkman1 is this from a new ipo ?
16:42	B007	lol
16:42	punkman1	sure why not, everything else is IPOing
16:42	punkman1	I'm gonna IPO this old book
16:43	benkay	http://ponzi.io/
16:43	mircea_popescu	ceci n'est pas une IalB
16:44	Duffer1	for us proles volatility is a threat atm, whether its more a threat than inflation is your choice, all eggs in one basket = bad
16:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00300605 = 0.1353 BTC [-] {2}
16:45	mircea_popescu	and by choice you really mean call
16:46	Duffer1	ya
16:46	punkman1	what's an IalB?
16:46	mircea_popescu	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/02_goat-a-sordid-story-of-stupid-and-scam.html
16:46	ozbot	Goat: A Sordid Story of Stupid and Scam
16:46	mircea_popescu	look at that, alliteration!
16:46	mircea_popescu	punkman1 introduction a la bourse.
16:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1503 @ 0.00015349 = 0.2307 BTC [-] {2}
16:47	benkay	ya well not all americans are entirely uneducated
16:47	B007	I am an American and am entirely uneducated. Point Proved?
16:47	punkman1	very proved
16:48	benkay	such point
16:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2751 @ 0.00014677 = 0.4038 BTC [-] {6}
16:48	the20year1	how do you define education?
16:48	the20year1	Dollars spent on college?
16:48	B007	no
16:48	mircea_popescu	wow.
16:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3318 @ 0.00014544 = 0.4826 BTC [-] {2}
16:49	Duffer1	http://bitbet.us/bet/633/bfl-will-ship-before-activemining/ read the comments
16:49	ozbot	BitBet - BFL will ship before ActiveMining
16:49	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 nobody bet lmao
16:50	Duffer1	there's no way to reasonably guess who will win, i don't think that bet will see much action :P
16:50	B007	Education is having the abilty to learn
16:50	mircea_popescu	benkay "my everlasting shame. Our code is available here:"
16:50	mircea_popescu	no code then ?
16:50	benkay	wat?
16:50	Duffer1	i got water on my keyboard "Cripple Fight!"
16:50	mircea_popescu	benkay grep yer blog!
16:51	benkay	dorp
16:51	B007	ctrl -f
16:51	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/BLdYqvd
16:51	benkay	how'd that get published!?
16:51	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
16:51	nubbins`	thoughts, comments, criticisms?
16:51	nubbins`	benkay, anything can get published, trust me
16:51	mircea_popescu	nubbins` he's the editor.
16:51	nubbins`	ah. aha.
16:52	nubbins`	consider my comment revoked
16:52	mircea_popescu	that looks like a butterfly that snorted coffee grinds thinking they're lsd.
16:52	mircea_popescu	with a skin infection or w/e is going on there off to the left.
16:52	nubbins`	bubbles will either go completely or take over the rest of the page
16:53	nubbins`	this is for a band t-shirt, in the meantime
16:53	mircea_popescu	is the band name "butterfly that snorted coffee grinds thinking they're lsd" ?
16:53	nubbins`	"werewoman"
16:53	mircea_popescu	close enough.
16:53	nubbins`	nod
16:53	B007	it looks like the ink had a seizure
16:54	mircea_popescu	"Nobody can get inspect your payments if you know what you're doing."
16:54	mircea_popescu	dude horrible copyediting.
16:54	mircea_popescu	don't you have a girlfriend ?
16:54	nubbins`	B007, the ink does occasionally have seizures
16:54	nubbins`	you should see the last thing i drew
16:54	B007	nubbins`: especially in the heat
16:54	nubbins`	cold is a problem too
16:55	nubbins`	humidity as well
16:55	nubbins`	i had TWO pens hemorrhage on me this week
16:55	benkay	i do but mircea_popescu is so much better at it.
16:55	nubbins`	^ heh
16:55	nubbins`	send him a bill
16:56	B007	mircea_popescu: likes to party with lsd
16:56	mircea_popescu	indicative of Nefario's future behavior: "Thanks for your ideas guys, I'm going to wrap them all together and not pay out the bounty".
16:56	mircea_popescu	ahaha this is pretty lulzy.
16:56	mircea_popescu	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/31_a-list-of-bitcoin-investments.html
16:56	ozbot	A List of Bitcoin "Investments"
16:56	B007	mircea_popescu: how rich are you?
16:57	mircea_popescu	pretty damned rich.
16:57	nubbins`	B007, don't be vulgar
16:57	B007	nubbins`: I like being vulgar
16:57	nubbins`	evidently, yes
16:57	copumpkin	B007: he bought me a bentley for supporting him in the early days
16:57	copumpkin	seems pretty generous
16:58	mircea_popescu	i did ?!
16:58	mircea_popescu	i'm so rich i buy people bentleys i don't even know about.
16:58	copumpkin	well, indirectly, in that money I stole from you
16:58	nubbins`	ah, hey, there's an MPEx asset in this list
16:58	mircea_popescu	you did ?
16:58	mircea_popescu	i'm so rich people steal my moneyz i don't even know about.
16:58	copumpkin	oh whoops, nevermind
16:58	copumpkin	^_^
16:58	nubbins`	i was talking with someone about this the other day
16:58	B007	thats pretty rich
16:58	nubbins`	F.PURE.SYNTH
16:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 892 @ 0.000151 = 0.1347 BTC [+]
16:59	mircea_popescu	nubbins` how's pure.synth related to the hash options tho ?
16:59	mircea_popescu	they're different things, the f.pure.synth was a synthetic copy of puremining, the glbse asset run by rosi manifold or w/e the jew's name was.
17:00	Duffer1	mani rosenfeld
17:00	nubbins`	how's it related? beats me
17:00	mircea_popescu	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/31_a-list-of-bitcoin-investments.html << epic
17:00	nubbins`	the btctalk thread is a bit light on detail
17:00	nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76401.0
17:00	benkay	not epic at all. barely 4% of the way through known assets.
17:00	mircea_popescu	oops wrong link
17:01	ozbot	A List of Bitcoin "Investments"
17:01	ozbot	[MPEx] Introducing F.PURE.SYNTH
17:01	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8733.msg128319#msg128319 << epic.
17:01	benkay	furthermore, that project is on hold.
17:01	ozbot	luke-jr is a scammer - he renegged on a bitcoin futures contract
17:01	Duffer1	er meni rosenfeld
17:01	B007	mircea_popescu: I can't even read that
17:01	Luke-Jr	mircea_popescu: why do you like to promote lies and scammers?
17:01	mircea_popescu	Luke-Jr that'd be the oposite of what i do.
17:02	mircea_popescu	but anyway, what was the real story there ?
17:02	benkay	luke claims that because his counterparty didn't file claims within some window of time he was absolved of his obligation to pay.
17:02	mircea_popescu	kinda how things work...
17:02	Luke-Jr	mircea_popescu: we agreed that I'd sell him <n> BTC for <n> USD at a future date. he never showed until like a month later demanding I just pay him some amount outright
17:02	nubbins`	nevermind that, what's a "synthetic copy" of an asset?
17:02	mircea_popescu	course, why did the cp go on forum then ?
17:03	Luke-Jr	benkay: I had no obligation to "pay".
17:03	mircea_popescu	Luke-Jr ah.
17:03	Luke-Jr	it was a trade.
17:03	Luke-Jr	he would have recieved something, and I would have received something back.
17:03	Luke-Jr	I was at no point under an oblgiation to sell what I got back to him at market price.
17:03	mircea_popescu	any of this in proper form (ie, as pgp signed ?)
17:04	Luke-Jr	irrelevant, but no
17:04	mircea_popescu	well, why did a third party buy your alleged debt ?
17:04	Luke-Jr	no idea
17:04	mircea_popescu	aite well... still pretty lulzy.
17:04	mircea_popescu	it doesn't necessarily have to be X or Y to be epic you know.
17:04	Luke-Jr	IIRC, had he shown up, and we made that trade, I'd have made a profit in the month he was MIA
17:05	copumpkin	irrelephant?
17:05	copumpkin	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/361503/Your-Argument-is-Irrelephant.gif
17:05	nubbins`	daww
17:05	nubbins`	i'm still confused about f.pure.synth
17:06	nubbins`	indulge me with the elevator pitch?
17:06	benkay	pmb, unless i miss my read.
17:06	mircea_popescu	nubbins` a synthetic was a relatively retarded construction, sadly made necessary by the very opaque manner of conducting "business" employed by the glbse muppets.
17:06	nubbins`	benkay: pmb, yep, i've got that much
17:06	mircea_popescu	it's basically "i will pay out whatever X so called asset pays out"
17:06	nubbins`	to what end?
17:06	mircea_popescu	if your credit is better than the issuer's this then gives investors incentive to buy your synthetic rather than the original, starving scams of cash.
17:06	pankkake	the goal was to short those assets?
17:06	nubbins`	a-ha.
17:06	mircea_popescu	a desperate measure for desperate times.
17:07	nubbins`	interesting
17:07	mircea_popescu	very disruptive, especially as nobody readily imagined such a thing can even exist.
17:07	mircea_popescu	at least not originally.
17:08	nubbins`	were PMBs not generally recognized to be dog turds back then?
17:08	mircea_popescu	hahaha
17:08	mircea_popescu	pmbs were generally recognised to be dog turds back then about to the degree hearn is recognised as a dog turd today.
17:08	nubbins`	sure
17:08	nubbins`	so... you offered a cheaper turd to undercut the turd salesmen?
17:09	nubbins`	srsly struggling to understand here
17:09	mircea_popescu	read the forum sometime, people really thought it's the path to glory.
17:09	nubbins`	oh yeah, people lapped 'em up despite people SCREAMING that they were bad ideas
17:09	mircea_popescu	nubbins` mostly to create an actual market.
17:09	nubbins`	i mean, fucking eskimo bob was telling people not to buy them
17:09	mircea_popescu	they for instance had massive issues with shorting. mental issues.
17:09	mircea_popescu	of the sort that bubble up even today, with the braindamaged "trading closed for ipo" nonsense.
17:10	mircea_popescu	there's some schmuck from the early days plainly stating it in some thread, "the ipo is not for investors to make money but for the company to make money" or somesuch.
17:10	mircea_popescu	total disconnect from reality.
17:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04897964 = 0.2449 BTC [-]
17:12	mircea_popescu	anyway, in the case there : at the time the difficulty had gone up maybe 50% over 3 months, the dividends were mostly absent and the thing still traded "At price"
17:12	mircea_popescu	because that's what counted for a market back then, a buncha forum tards being friendly
17:12	mircea_popescu	after the synth price normalised and soon enough it was in the shitter.
17:12	mircea_popescu	eventually glbse cratered and erased the thing.
17:13	mircea_popescu	and meni rosenfeld moved on to to obscure turd pushing with what was going to become bitdaytrade
17:13	mircea_popescu	a sort of kraken of 2012 as it turns out.
17:13	nubbins`	oh yeah, kraken still hasn't verified my false info
17:13	nubbins`	forgot i signed up
17:14	mircea_popescu	i r so disappoint with that thing.
17:14	mircea_popescu	they really seemed like they're competent for a while.
17:15	mircea_popescu	benkay "Predictably1, BS&T failed to issue the number of bonds they'd committed to, and Popescu was relieved of his obligation to pay out on the above synthetics."
17:15	mircea_popescu	that's not exactly correct.
17:15	benkay	o!
17:15	benkay	well, do enlighten.
17:16	mircea_popescu	the thing opened, all full of trepidation, abunch were bought
17:16	mircea_popescu	then the forum cartel backtracked
17:16	mircea_popescu	people panicked and sold into my MM bids
17:16	mircea_popescu	which were low.
17:16	mircea_popescu	this all happened much before expiration.
17:16	duduqa	Hi, everyone
17:17	mircea_popescu	ello.
17:17	B007	hi
17:17	benkay	those are additional facts, sure
17:18	benkay	but BS&T did fail to issue the number of promised bonds, and you were relieved of your obligation were you not?
17:18	mircea_popescu	this was never judged.
17:18	mircea_popescu	it never actually got to be a cogent point
17:19	benkay	so what happened at expiration?
17:19	B007	guys how do I get rich?
17:19	mircea_popescu	benkay nothing because iirc i was holding the whole load.
17:19	benkay	ah
17:19	mircea_popescu	B007 you get your words very well defined and your questions super sharp
17:20	mircea_popescu	by the time you're done with that you're rich already and don't even know when you bought copumpkin a new bionic girlfriend/maid.
17:20	copumpkin	lol
17:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.0030016 = 0.9905 BTC [-] {5}
17:20	mircea_popescu	benkay so did ognasty finally crap out or what ?
17:20	benkay	nasty mining is still a thing, innit? can't say as I've gotten much past april 2012
17:21	mircea_popescu	a ok.
17:21	B007	mircea_popescu: I think then you just die from a dictionary
17:22	B007	mircea_popescu: do you ever use otr
17:22	mircea_popescu	yes.
17:22	B007	mircea_popescu: cool
17:23	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450797.msg4962212#msg4962212
17:23	ozbot	Beware: Bitcoin casino is cheating, changes outcome of their roulette
17:23	mircea_popescu	this is kinda lulz.y
17:23	mircea_popescu	"Their roulette is technically provably fair and they are publishing complete results from previous day. But they are cheating in such naive way that they simply change outcome of roulette game when needed and later in published results from previous day they show different outcome, which is correct one but was not used."
17:23	B007	I'm going to go play games
17:23	B007	see you all later
17:24	mircea_popescu	how come everyone wants to be rich these days.
17:24	mircea_popescu	i mean back before roosevelt i could understand it, being poor meant fucking starving.
17:24	B007	it is the new trend
17:24	mircea_popescu	but today ?! what difference does it make, 99% of all derps live in the same exact conditions anyway
17:25	B007	bragging rights
17:25	duduqa	"<mircea_popescu> but today ?! what difference does it make, 99% of all derps live in the same exact conditions anyway" - this
17:25	Dimsler	lol
17:25	Dimsler	rih
17:25	B007	no need to work
17:25	Dimsler	er rich
17:25	Duffer1	i don't want stuff or things, i just want my mom to retire
17:25	Dimsler	only way to become rich these days is to steal it
17:25	mircea_popescu	B007 if you didn't work you'd just go crazy.
17:26	mircea_popescu	what work. not like you go dig up coal in a mine or anything.
17:26	B007	I have never worked so far
17:26	mircea_popescu	derping about with a purpose is necessary for your sanity.
17:26	mircea_popescu	B007 i figured you must be in school.
17:26	B007	I am
17:27	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452111.msg4977482#msg4977482 << ThickAsThieves check it out, quartz had another article.
17:27	ozbot	Bitcoin Federation of SPACE
17:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0284 = 0.2556 BTC [+]
17:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC
17:37	Jere_Jones	ThickAsThieves, you around?
17:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07299999 = 0.219 BTC [-]
17:41	mircea_popescu	talk about graceful degradations : tweets including references to #bitcoin-assets are auto-hashtagged "bitcoin" because that's how their parser works.
17:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52 = 2.6 BTC [-]
17:46	benkay	well i was going to write a tcp client test harness today but then got distracted and this came out instead: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/08_when-you-know-you-done-fucked-up-but-cant-admit-it-in-public.html
17:46	ThickAsThieves	just got back wassup
17:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.531 BTC [+]
17:47	benkay	w/r/t proofing mircea_popescu, i learned from you to just write the thing, post it, and come back and tweak it if necessary later
17:47	Jere_Jones	ThickAsThieves, are you still providing escrow services?
17:47	benkay	;;ud mego
17:47	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mego | The drugged-out sensation one gets when poring over spreadsheets or instruction manuals; acronym for "my eyes glaze over"
17:47	ThickAsThieves	Yes, but only for AM & Neo
17:48	truffles	new word yay
17:48	benkay	mircea_popescu relevant posts updated. thanks for the proofing ;)
17:49	truffles	what subject r u writing on?
17:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32076 @ 0.00085807 = 27.5235 BTC [+] {3}
17:50	BingoBoingo	benkay: Nice write up
17:52	truffles	on what!!!
17:52	Jere_Jones	Ok. I was looking for a one-off escrow.
17:55	truffles	omg i here for the nubbins!
17:55	truffles	sigh
17:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07344999 = 0.7345 BTC [+] {6}
17:57	mircea_popescu	benkay that's sensible.
17:57	mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones maybe salty spitoon ? or you mean irc ?
17:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51000201 = 1.02 BTC [-]
17:58	duduqa	bye bye fols
17:58	duduqa	folks
17:58	Jere_Jones	I'm looking to swap some real btc for gox btc as I believe that, eventually, I will be able to withdrawl.
17:58	benkay	wow that's a bold position
17:58	mircea_popescu	o get out. i'm not helping you do that.
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17:58	benkay	you must have coins to burn.
17:59	Jere_Jones	I have coins that I don't need available immediately.
17:59	mircea_popescu	that is possibly the most insane thing i heard ever since i heard of people "buying pirate debt"
17:59	mircea_popescu	also, you need someone with a gox acct to escrow for you neh ?
17:59	Jere_Jones	Don't think so.
18:00	Jere_Jones	The escrow would hold the btc I send until I confirm receipt of the goxBTC.
18:00	mircea_popescu	so what, half escrow ?
18:00	mircea_popescu	yeah, and then what's the op to do ? you get the goxbtc and claim you didn't.
18:00	PierreCPA	Do you have a contingency plan if they go enter into bankruptcy? You have experience with the Japanese bankruptcy system and creditor claims?
18:00	mircea_popescu	PierreCPA o you the twitter guy ?
18:00	PierreCPA	yes
18:00	mircea_popescu	welcome.
18:01	mircea_popescu	bitcoin needs more accounting professionals.
18:01	PierreCPA	thank you, I was going to sit back and lurk but had to ask that haha
18:01	PierreCPA	I've noticed
18:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.53099995 = 2.124 BTC [+] {2}
18:01	Jere_Jones	No contingency. Just a belief that the problems are technical, not solvency. From what I can tell, mtgox is incompetent, not broke.
18:01	mircea_popescu	this guy is like jesse james.
18:02	deadweasel	fractional reserve falling apart, more likely.
18:02	PierreCPA	Ah, I see, what's your belief based on?
18:02	mircea_popescu	how long does the average incompetent lotto winner take to be broke ? eh ?
18:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.53592003 = 8.0388 BTC [+] {6}
18:03	Jere_Jones	It is based on what I know of MtGox's backend, the transactions that are getting stalled, and how easy it would be to write a system to cause those problems.
18:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.537267 = 4.8354 BTC [+] {2}
18:03	deadweasel	so nothing.
18:03	truffles	what about problems outside of their control
18:04	Jere_Jones	Oh, I am not of the belief that they have every dollar they should. I am just of the belief that I'll be able to get my coin out before the bottom falls out.
18:05	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Whip the kittens already
18:05	deadweasel	you dropped this earlier, mp https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/2666f75887c09590958eda247c8f15e8/tumblr_inline_mpl3opPOYZ1qz4rgp.gif
18:06	mircea_popescu	awww ty deadweasel.
18:06	deadweasel	i hadn't saved a gif link in years. that ws too good
18:07	truffles	awww
18:07	mircea_popescu	didja ever find the viruses you were looking for ?
18:07	truffles	too bad no audio
18:08	deadweasel	i think antibiotics killed the lyme, im' got post-lyme disease syndrome, immune systems continues to battle invisible enemies
18:08	deadweasel	you talking about bacteriophage, right?
18:08	mircea_popescu	yeah
18:09	deadweasel	haven't had to do it. nice to have it all ready in case of freak outbreak of something new. 3 weeks to a new phage, give or take.
18:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 139 @ 0.0055 = 0.7645 BTC
18:09	mircea_popescu	let that be a lesson to you young man
18:09	truffles	how does one get that?
18:09	mircea_popescu	never fuck a doe bareback again.
18:10	mircea_popescu	truffles from tic.
18:10	deadweasel	lyme ticks here have evolved to stay active in winter..
18:10	deadweasel	little fuckers
18:10	truffles	i kill bugs on site so...
18:10	mircea_popescu	they're about the size of afids really.
18:10	mircea_popescu	you only see them once they swell
18:10	deadweasel	never see these, gotta look everywhere, because they have numb bites.
18:11	deadweasel	until they fill with your blood and screw into your flesh
18:11	deadweasel	then they pretty obvi
18:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00086235 = 24.6201 BTC [+]
18:12	deadweasel	also getting immune to deet
18:13	mircea_popescu	PierreCPA since you're here, you can look over http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/
18:14	PierreCPA	reading it now
18:16	benkay	BingoBoingo: updated http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/08_on-the-importance-of-contracts-the-rentalstarter-case.html
18:16	benkay	now with discussion of mike_c's "you can raise it but you can't spend it"
18:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
18:17	mircea_popescu	benkay speaking of that discussion, this month is quite the reverse.
18:17	truffles	benkay is that answer to my ? ^^
18:17	mircea_popescu	"oh if only we had spent btc at 1200 to acquire real goods now worth 2x in btc"
18:18	benkay	the curse of volatility.
18:18	benkay	"you can raise it, but now you have to spend it optimally"
18:18	mircea_popescu	moreover, an important point to be considered is that the real assets of btc corps act as an absolutel bottom in the btc exchange.
18:18	mircea_popescu	which is always nice to have.
18:18	benkay	yeah no shit
18:18	mircea_popescu	anyway, all this is going in s.mg feb report, so.
18:19	benkay	oh minigame's looking to burn some cash?
18:19	mircea_popescu	no, but i gotta follow up with something for investor's benefit.
18:19	mircea_popescu	after last month's haha aren;t you glad we didn't spend anything
18:20	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You finally bought the Eve devs?
18:20	nubbins`	nasty mining is, i believe, still a thing
18:20	benkay	well in three months time it'll be back to 'aha aren't you glad we didn't spend anything' again
18:20	mircea_popescu	have you SEEN the eve devs ? i'd rather buy a zoo
18:21	mircea_popescu	benkay either that or "sorry, but we had to spend it eventually"
18:22	benkay	this is what executive leadership is for. deciding when to burn the btc.
18:22	benkay	naively, at the last possible moment. more sophisticatedly, at the right time.
18:22	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: But you can feed devs pouridge and give it a fancy name like Soylent, its rather cheap. The zoo's Lions would be malnourished.
18:22	mircea_popescu	notrly. the duck does that part.
18:22	mircea_popescu	the executive leadership is for taking the burns once it blows up
18:23	benkay	ah, sorry? as in taking the burn for not spending btc at the right time?
18:24	PierreCPA	mircea_popescu reasonable approach. It does remove the BS parts of GAAP, but it also does not address complex issues like consolidation of partially owned subsidiaries, revenue recognition for installment contracts, etc...
18:24	mircea_popescu	PierreCPA yeah.
18:24	PierreCPA	I started working on a similar project ( http://bitcoinadvisory.org/index.html ) but had to get a real job to pay the bills
18:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.537267 BTC [+]
18:24	mircea_popescu	hopefully more of that stuff can go in as more of your profession start being available for the corps to do the stuff.
18:25	mircea_popescu	i think tho the consolidation of subsidiaries can be done easily by a) disalowing unlisted subsidiaries and b) mark to market.
18:25	PierreCPA	Yes, it's happening, we just need demand from clients before doing anything really
18:26	mircea_popescu	you need to be in the wot and have a reputation before you'll get demand from any clients
18:26	mircea_popescu	and the actual clients, of course, but that's slowly coming into place.
18:27	mircea_popescu	benkay yea.
18:28	PierreCPA	agreed, problem is there can be no overlap between accountants serving large companies (and these are generally the high quality accountants), and accountants serving Bitcoin non-SEC listed companies, due to liability
18:28	PierreCPA	so that firewall slows things down
18:28	mircea_popescu	i guess it does.
18:28	PierreCPA	so the demand has to come from "compliant" mainstream companies wanting to get in the game
18:28	mircea_popescu	with the mention that those WERE the good accountants. they won't be, in a decade or two.
18:29	mircea_popescu	nah, non-compliant corps will crush the entire system, from sec down to all corps and their subcontractors.
18:30	benkay	far better to save up some cash and be the premiere btc accountant.
18:30	PierreCPA	Perhaps, though I think we'll call them "accounting system developers", accounting will be done entirely 100% by computers
18:30	mircea_popescu	perhaps.
18:30	benkay	disconnect from the doomed fiat systems.
18:30	jurov	Jere_Jones use this as escrow: bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/?ref=1EteoRKNYbNhhmFfsKnUSWRF3JUpKCcMnc
18:31	PierreCPA	what's a good metric for seeing the size of non-compliant corps? i.e. is their someone summing the mkt caps?
18:31	mircea_popescu	about a million btc giver or take atm
18:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [-]
18:35	nubbins`	i was about to ask Jere_Jones if he had a seller of goxbtc lined up
18:36	nubbins`	but then i realized that's probably not hard to find
18:36	truffles	hai nubbins
18:36	truffles	busy?
18:36	nubbins`	depends on if you want to play chess
18:36	mircea_popescu	lmao
18:36	truffles	:(
18:36	nubbins`	heh
18:37	nubbins`	i kid! but i actually to have to pick up rent
18:37	nubbins`	just popped in with a coffee
18:37	truffles	hope u win with this dodgery
18:37	nubbins`	i rarely win
18:37	truffles	..
18:37	Namworld	;;premium gox bitstamp
18:37	gribble	Premium of MtGox over Bitstamp is currently -4.33866400355 %.
18:37	nubbins`	i'll play later tho
18:38	Namworld	MtGox... why you so silly
18:38	truffles	im stepping away "later"
18:38	Namworld	From +20 to -5
18:38	truffles	this time tomorrow is better?
18:38	nubbins`	schedules collide
18:38	truffles	or 2 hours prior?
18:38	nubbins`	later in the evenings is better
18:39	truffles	what time is evening? est cst?
18:39	nubbins`	nst
18:39	nubbins`	utc-3:30
18:42	truffles	guess we'll have to wait til things shift
18:43	jurov	oh, there's parasigm shift already?
18:43	jurov	*paradigm
18:44	nubbins`	2014-03-09, dst begins
18:44	jurov	and where is it scheduled to shift?
18:45	nubbins`	an hour forward
18:45	nubbins`	to utc-2:30
18:54	mike_c	good article benkay. it's crazy (but not surprising) that havelock is messing around with the ipo structure.
18:55	jurov	oh they do. and if issuer is borderline competent, they in turn don't understand him
18:56	jurov	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xdg60/heads_up_thebitcoinnewscom_is_hosting_a_fake/ our dear friend markus weiler is at it again
18:57	jurov	(of bitcoinbourse.eu infamy)
18:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
18:57	pankkake	:/
18:57	jurov	what pankkake? you invested there too?
18:58	pankkake	no, but I'm always annoyed to see those people are still operating
19:04	benkay	thanks, mike_c!
19:05	benkay	there are no contracts, so nobody can be certain of anything.
19:06	mircea_popescu	so i bought these slightly smoked plums
19:06	mircea_popescu	omfg they're great
19:06	mircea_popescu	im reduced to one hand typing
19:08	Mats_cd03	I'll smoke your plums
19:09	mircea_popescu	this is the future of social media : tastegram
19:09	jurov	Mats_cd03 don't forget, you promised me some rimming first
19:11	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Then someone sends tastegrams which seem to be almonds, but are actually cyanide
19:11	mircea_popescu	i guess it'd have to be implemented electronically rather than chemically.
19:11	mircea_popescu	no future for 3d printing in this.
19:12	mircea_popescu	incidentally... 3d molecularbiologizing... get cartridges of all the elements, print any substance.
19:12	jurov	there are iirc 5 basic smells that can be mixed like colors
19:12	Mats_cd03	mircea_popescu: too late... Instagram _is_ tastegram
19:12	BingoBoingo	I didn't think there was much future for 3D printing beyond industries frequently needing bespoke and one-off construction
19:12	jurov	no need to 3d print molecules
19:13	mircea_popescu	that could potentially be everything tho
19:14	mircea_popescu	all the car buyers want to be... unique.
19:14	mircea_popescu	"you wouldn't download a car" ? oyestheywould.
19:14	mircea_popescu	jurov no way. i can detect more scents than colors.
19:15	jurov	yes, cuz there are much more combinations of 5 basic smells than 3 primary colors
19:15	mircea_popescu	i can actually distinguish mercaptane from ethilthiol
19:15	mircea_popescu	what the heck do you mix to go from one to the other ?
19:17	jurov	dunno. my mother explained to me mixing smells is basic physiology exercise for med students
19:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54729999 = 1.0946 BTC [+]
19:17	mircea_popescu	fun fact : mercaptane actually is a natural byproduct of asparagus digestion in mammals. for a long time people imagined the ability to excrete it in urine is genetically dependent, as apparently not all people did it.
19:17	mircea_popescu	then it turned out that in fact yes all people do it, but the ability to SMELL it is the genetic trait
19:17	mircea_popescu	as not all people can smell it.
19:18	jurov	and yo get back to topic.. "you wouldn't download a penis" - guess what gets printed first once 3d printer appears somewhere?
19:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16746 @ 0.0008634 = 14.4585 BTC [+] {2}
19:19	jurov	wao-ender can confirm
19:19	mircea_popescu	i recently had my penis made out of marzipan
19:20	mircea_popescu	from memory.
		~ 19 minutes ~
19:39	rbonestell	is there any specific person in charge of assbot?
19:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00086235 = 20.4377 BTC [-]
19:44	mircea_popescu	rbonestell kakobrekla
19:45	jurov	no, assbot is promiscuous
19:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00086235 = 4.9585 BTC [-]
19:46	rbonestell	... :-O
19:47	rbonestell	thanks, mircea_popescu.
19:47	rbonestell	isn't it open source?
19:47	mircea_popescu	i don't remember which it is, maybe supybot ?
19:47	rbonestell	I thought I found the source under an mpex repo on github somewhere
19:47	mircea_popescu	wasn't that mpexbot?
19:47	rbonestell	ohhhh, yeah
19:47	rbonestell	probably
19:48	mircea_popescu	yes well. not all bots are the same
19:48	mircea_popescu	just like people.
19:49	rbonestell	but
19:49	rbonestell	but
19:49	rbonestell	lol
19:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1007 @ 0.00086235 = 0.8684 BTC [-]
19:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0731 = 0.2193 BTC [-]
19:51	rbonestell	I thought I stumbled upon some irc bot for mpex and havelock when I was making that android app for the havelock API... but I have a terrible memory.
19:52	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455321.msg5025075#msg5025075 << this went over well
19:54	rbonestell	woah
19:54	rbonestell	I didn't read the preceding context, but daaamn- some serious hostility there.
19:54	mircea_popescu	pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=453941.msg5020847#msg5020847 this is my gift for you today
19:55	mircea_popescu	aw shit you saw it already.
19:55	mircea_popescu	my bad
19:55	jurov	what kind of master thesis paper doesn't notice the university where it is done?
19:56	jurov	just the first thing i noticed
20:00	mircea_popescu	maybe their entire country only has one university so it's kind-of redundant ?
20:00	Duffer1	i didn't know phoenix.edu offered masters
20:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]
20:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.54871538 = 7.1333 BTC [+] {3}
20:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5499 = 1.6497 BTC [+] {2}
20:10	mod6	jeeze.
20:12	mircea_popescu	you squattin' ?
20:13	nubbins`	http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/02/08/1959218/llvm-gcc-compiler-developers-to-begin-collaborating
20:13	mod6	heh, na, just lag.
20:14	mircea_popescu	what.
20:14	mod6	couldn't seem to get nickserv to cooperate
20:14	mircea_popescu	omgwtf what year is it
20:14	mircea_popescu	how long have i been asleep
20:15	nubbins`	get a shave, ya bum!
20:15	mircea_popescu	is stallman dead ?
20:15	nubbins`	no, just lethargic
20:15	mircea_popescu	didn't he go "over my dead body" or somesuch ?
20:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3627 @ 0.00085992 = 3.1189 BTC [-]
20:15	nubbins`	yes but he said it in spanish and the audience spoke portuguese
20:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24073 @ 0.00086082 = 20.7225 BTC [+] {2}
20:16	mircea_popescu	lmao
20:17	mircea_popescu	by the way, anyone else noticed how quickly the altcoin subforum standardized ?
20:17	mircea_popescu	it's uncanny.
20:18	mircea_popescu	hashturbate.com pitythepool.com valid-error.com etc
20:18	mircea_popescu	they have an announcement format, this is what one should do a master thesis on
20:19	mircea_popescu	copy the entire altcoin subforum, define 50-100 measures, see how standardised the offerings are, do a over time survey
20:19	mircea_popescu	pure fundamental open-market research. more valuable than 99% of all economics papers to be published in 2014
20:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23262 @ 0.00085697 = 19.9348 BTC [-] {2}
20:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.55808965 = 16.7427 BTC [+] {6}
20:28	mircea_popescu	anyway. the rms life and culture seems now a failed experiment. gpl was perhaps a good idea, but gpl 3 is an unmitigatedly bad idea, and so it goes. they wanted to kill bsd and in the end bsd killed them.
20:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.56995 = 2.2798 BTC [+] {2}
20:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-]
20:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.579 = 1.737 BTC [+]
20:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 757 @ 0.00015499 = 0.1173 BTC [+] {2}
20:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.5876543 = 5.8765 BTC [+] {2}
20:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1476 @ 0.00015696 = 0.2317 BTC [+] {3}
20:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00015697 = 0.5494 BTC [+] {2}
20:42	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, when you say standardized, you mean the format of the announcement posts?
20:42	mircea_popescu	yeah
20:42	mircea_popescu	but not just
20:42	nubbins`	sure
20:42	mircea_popescu	the reality underneath. who said they must have "faucets" ?
20:42	mircea_popescu	what IS a faucet ?
20:42	nubbins`	you used to find the same thing in group buy threads too
20:42	mircea_popescu	why pools ? why x y z
20:43	mircea_popescu	if you look at it unbiased it's shockingly organised, and arbitrarily so
20:43	nubbins`	really it just boils down to people doing copypasta because they can't be fucked to figure out how to structure a post
20:43	mircea_popescu	the fucking threads spell Schelling like a poem
20:43	nubbins`	in their defense, why reinvent the wheel?
20:44	nubbins`	anyway, you'd suppose the rest has some sort of purpose
20:44	mircea_popescu	indeed. i was not presuming to argue, merely observe.
20:44	nubbins`	e.g. if there's no faucet, nobody but a couple miners are gonna bother to play with it
20:44	nubbins`	sure
20:45	mircea_popescu	no argument it has purpose, but the structure and therefore the convention and meaning imo far exceeds the purpose
20:45	nubbins`	there's a purpose? ;p
20:45	mircea_popescu	well obviously.
20:45	mircea_popescu	food.
20:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00549999 = 0.143 BTC [+] {4}
20:46	nubbins`	i stepped into the altcoin announcement sub the other day. had to go back like six fuckin pages to see a thread that wasn't last updated "Today"!
20:46	mircea_popescu	ayup
20:47	nubbins`	alts are like cabbage patch kids
20:47	mircea_popescu	definitely.
20:47	mircea_popescu	and those are a linguistic artefact.
20:47	mircea_popescu	which is why i don't argue, it'd be like insisting "barracks" should be spelled "kaserne"
20:49	nubbins`	oo, canadian snowboarder just smacked his tailbone
20:51	nubbins`	"i can't even explain how difficult these tricks are" says the cbc announcer
20:51	nubbins`	OK COOL MAN DON'T EVEN TRY
20:52	mircea_popescu	he's just the announcer.
20:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00300001 = 0.15 BTC [-]
21:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.36336265 BTC to 9`595 shares, 3787 satoshi per share
21:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.07249999 = 0.29 BTC [-] {3}
21:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13923 @ 0.00015697 = 2.1855 BTC [-] {2}
21:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.0008596 = 29.9571 BTC [+] {3}
		~ 15 minutes ~
21:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00086324 = 4.791 BTC [+] {2}
21:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5966 @ 0.00015744 = 0.9393 BTC [+] {2}
21:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00086357 = 24.5254 BTC [+] {2}
21:40	BingoBoingo	There's a sane noob of the month award now? Must be getting some better noobs. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401481.msg5025034#msg5025034
21:41	Duffer1	i think that's a Crumbs sock
21:41	BingoBoingo	Crumbs need socks nao?
21:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65858 @ 0.00085637 = 56.3988 BTC [-] {2}
21:46	mircea_popescu	srsly ?>
21:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1452 @ 0.00016996 = 0.2468 BTC [+] {7}
21:48	Mats_cd03	.bait
21:54	pankkake	yes, it's crumbs. he's banned
21:55	diametric	i can't wait until mtgox completely dies
21:55	diametric	the drama will be glorious
21:56	KRS-One	word
21:56	Mats_cd03	what is dead will never die
21:56	KRS-One	where would we trade our magic: the gathering warez then
21:58	diametric	how great would that be if thats what it reverted back to
21:58	diametric	and they start offering refunds of btc in "equal valued" magic cards
22:00	mircea_popescu	<Mats_cd03> what is dead will never die <<< this, basically.
22:01	mircea_popescu	bfl is in the same situation, the entire bitcoin foundation structure is basically... that.
22:01	Mats_cd03	cant get rid of aids man
22:01	mircea_popescu	even bitcoinica is still technically alive
22:01	diametric	so many people think the bitcoin foundation is in charge of bitcoin
22:01	diametric	its hilarious
22:01	mircea_popescu	the people responsible very much going around talking about things as if.
22:07	jayk	my investor had the right idea
22:08	jayk	he wantd to fly out to bfly had have a tour
22:08	jayk	however, they never returned a phone call or email
22:08	jayk	in the end no money was ever delivered to them for product
22:12	Diablo-D3	lol
22:13	jayk	i doubt a kansas city mega cloudhashing center exists for them
22:14	jayk	prolly see an exec run
22:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00085368 = 22.7933 BTC [-] {2}
22:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5799 BTC [-]
22:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [+]
22:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22292 @ 0.00085506 = 19.061 BTC [+] {2}
22:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 120 @ 0.00086899 = 0.1043 BTC [+] {2}
22:44	herbijudlestoids	hullo
22:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
22:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.5898 = 5.898 BTC [+] {2}
22:48	KRS-One	hey
22:48	KRS-One	.bait
22:48	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/83fdda639ed8280cd435af5f3fa12931/tumblr_mt6976JcPN1suh0oto1_1280.jpg
22:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1225 BTC [+]
22:49	KRS-One	ah damn, i'll geek her up...fawk.
22:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
22:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
22:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
22:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.0001833 = 1.3748 BTC [+] {5}
22:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00018888 = 0.1322 BTC [+]
22:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1225 = 0.245 BTC [+]
22:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
23:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15701 @ 0.00086164 = 13.5286 BTC [+]
23:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1423 @ 0.00018898 = 0.2689 BTC [+] {5}
23:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [-]
23:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+] {2}
23:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00550116 = 0.4236 BTC [+] {4}
23:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00019922 = 1.9922 BTC [+] {8}
23:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00571048 = 0.7424 BTC [+] {8}
23:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
23:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00583246 = 0.5949 BTC [+] {6}
23:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
23:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.00584539 = 0.5202 BTC [+] {2}
23:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59391484 = 1.1878 BTC [+] {2}
23:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 139 @ 0.0055 = 0.7645 BTC
23:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59391484 = 1.1878 BTC [+] {2}
23:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00085921 = 21.8239 BTC [-]
23:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59385 BTC [-]
23:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1858 @ 0.00085921 = 1.5964 BTC [-]

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