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03:37 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2019/01/arenal/ << Bimbo.Club -- Arenal.
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07:30 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889396 <-- there is a !1list command (no extra args) that lists subscriptions for the user who PMs it. however, it doesn't work in chan and I didn't document it due to its spamminess. feedbot will reply with one rss feed per line, not sure if it would be more appropriate to list rss feeds in a paste or something. curious to hear opinions re this
07:30 a111 Logged on 2019-01-22 20:11 mircea_popescu: spyked is there a way for one to list what rss he's subscribed with feedbot ?
07:31 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889514 <-- IIRC googlazon already had these?
07:31 a111 Logged on 2019-01-22 23:18 asciilifeform: can't wait for the logical end of this, when they cut e.g. the screen ( 'why do you need a screen, terrorist. talk to the box with mouth..' ) and eventually will ship a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 i expect.
~ 3 hours 1 minutes ~
10:33 billymg !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 2
10:33 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9Su07/?raw=true
10:33 billymg !!v 84FA1FA87D30797902FD6E826F91277AAE579669D1AC76944774AD82654A4E21
10:33 deedbot billymg paid BingoBoingo invoice 2
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11:09 Mocky BingoBoingo can you set me up with mp-wp in my wwwhabeeb directory on uy1 for mockyhabeeb.com? I want to see what migrating my blog will involve.
~ 21 minutes ~
11:30 BingoBoingo Mocky: Will do
11:34 BingoBoingo In other news one of several competing "Presidents" of Venezuela (Think Iraq's Chalabi) is going to be holding a rally across from the Tres Cruses Shopping and National Bus Terminal here in Uruguay
11:39 mircea_popescu spyked a ty
11:40 mircea_popescu you can document it,
11:40 mircea_popescu Usage: !1 list lists subscriptions [works in PM only]
11:41 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo going ? keks
11:44 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Thinking on it, but unlike yesterday, there's a growing pile of material to be Qntra'd today.
11:44 mircea_popescu a
11:47 * BingoBoingo has seen other less acute USG.BLUE productions here
11:48 mircea_popescu they're so lulzy, with their little dress-up cons.
11:48 mircea_popescu usg.cosplay ~= usg.*
11:48 * BingoBoingo expects something like http://bingology.net/2018/12/17/the-expocannabis-an-executive-report/ minus the vendor booths and condensed into an hour or so
11:49 mircea_popescu meanwhile at the lulzfarm,
11:49 mircea_popescu MRExtreme 52M Dom "Hi LordMP, I will be travelling to Costa Rica with my slave. Do you have any (kinky) tips ? Have a nice day MRExtreme" LordMPofTMSR "You can start with the customary six months of log reading ; other than that specific channel I have nothing to say to uppity plebs."
11:49 BingoBoingo But I'll get the updates. Dude's apparently not even setting his pulpit up in the Pope's designated spot in Tres Cruces
11:51 mircea_popescu universalism is not an xtian sect!!!1
11:55 mircea_popescu meanwhile in lulz : trilema gets referral spam from "esif22.zcodesys.hop.clickbank.net" ; the unpacking is : https://zcodesystem.com/affiliates.html (some "betting" scam) is being pushed via clickbank (principal affiliate clearhinghouse) by some guy whose code is esif22. the idea is that if (naive) webmaster clicks (or publishes his referrer list for others to click) the clickbank item will count a click "sent by" this esif22
11:55 mircea_popescu dood whoever he is.
11:56 mircea_popescu so the dood's businessplan is, 1. get a list of websites ; 2. while $list do curl -e "esif22.zcodesys.hop.clickbank.net"; done.
11:57 mircea_popescu first fucking thing on the scam's landing page being "* Note: The base commission is set to 50% to reduce affiliate fraud from newbie affiliates. After 90 days and 10 sales you can request to be moved to 60% commission tier."
11:57 mircea_popescu beeecause... well... esif22 isn't the first http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838623 in the history ~of this particular scam~. nor the 100th.
11:57 a111 Logged on 2018-08-01 03:03 douchebag: I'm in AT&T Hall of Fame
11:57 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/syria-demands-un-action-against-israeli-attacks-to-avert-retaliation-against-tel-aviv-airport/ << Qntra -- Syria Demands UN Action Against Israeli Attacks To Avert Retaliation Against Tel Aviv Airport
11:58 mircea_popescu now that should be lulzy.
11:58 mircea_popescu israel getting sanctioned should provide 6mo+ of dnc destructuring "journalism" wank back at home.
11:58 mircea_popescu "hey, nancy pelosi, io for or against israel ?" "ummm... it's complicated"
11:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo " their right of self defense by according to the "
12:04 BingoBoingo ty fxd
12:06 mircea_popescu meanwhile in yet other lulz : https://issuu.com/craps/docs/fa2014 ( A Family Affair : Bull & Female Sale )
12:11 mircea_popescu and in YET OTHER obscure lulz (that i suspect only hanbot is equipped to appreciate), http://visurat.ro/
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12:32 hanbot ^ smells better already
12:35 mircea_popescu keks.
12:37 hanbot anyway, easy enough to explain, lol. here http://archive.is/Lrl69#selection-613.0-617.55
12:38 asciilifeform oh hm is this that 'moartea ca o veste buna' d00d ?
12:43 mircea_popescu hanbot haha, goes nicely with ye olde http://trilema.com/2010/spatiu-personal/ dork.
12:43 mircea_popescu gallery!
12:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, some bum/dockworker "being a blogger" back in ye olde days before trilema.
12:44 asciilifeform aaa
12:44 mircea_popescu good enough in open spaces, but intolerable indoors.
12:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what did he write about ?
12:46 asciilifeform (i.e. why memorable ? )
12:46 mircea_popescu memorable because he came to trilema conference before #trilema/tmsr/bitcoin even, and impressed the girls with his "manly" odours.
12:47 asciilifeform lol!!
12:47 mircea_popescu you realise, there were eg http://trilema.com/2009/nsfw-meet-trilema-editia-ii/
12:47 mircea_popescu in 2009.
12:58 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell Mocky http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VFcWU/?raw=true
12:58 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
13:03 Mocky BingoBoingo: got it, thx
13:03 lobbesbot Mocky: Sent 4 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VFcWU/?raw=true
13:06 BingoBoingo Mocky: Let me know you you have any questions or would like any assistance
13:08 Mocky will do
13:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform meanwhile found it : http://trilema.com/2009/visurat-s-a-dat-de-goala/ (notable for saying "yesterday at [film festival] i saw two films. one was "the happiest girl in the world" and i found myself in there. i laughed, i felt a bitter taste in the mouth, and i realised i might end up like that", and then FAILING to make the connection with http://trilema.com/2017/alexandru-osvald-pastorel-teodoreanu/#footnote_17
13:11 mircea_popescu _75674 when mocked for it.)
13:12 mircea_popescu just, you know, illiterate simpletons in no sense romanian, because you can't be romanian without ready access to cultural reference, the entire nation exists of naught else.
13:14 mircea_popescu there was a whole bunch of these, incidentally, http://trilema.com/2010/extemporal-la-venerologie/ tells the story of some other rando "blogger" (they seriously went about pompously http://trilema.com/2011/cred-ca-pe-alocuri-se-exagereaza/#selection-67.167-67.602 -ing all over the place ) who failed to make the distinction between contraception and venereal disease prevention, and then "got upset" when mocked for it.
13:15 mircea_popescu "getting upset" is this specific behaviour, a la : http://trilema.com/2009/krossfire-sau-vlad-stoiculescu/#comment-127467 (practically a sort of sand-meet-head, i guess).
13:18 BingoBoingo In clarifications, the Tres Cruces rally is to support other president, other Vzla president is in Caracas doing color revolution
13:21 mircea_popescu how many of these are there ?
13:26 BingoBoingo Apparently Trump's cabinet has picked one
13:27 BingoBoingo Se llama Guaidó
13:28 BingoBoingo I'm seeing photos of freeways full of people in Caracas, but it is hard to tell how many kilos of dry noodles they are getting for showing up
13:29 mircea_popescu well, either it turns lulzy or fizzly.
13:30 BingoBoingo Either way, those noodles came from somewhere
13:30 mircea_popescu china, lol.
13:31 BingoBoingo lol
~ 15 minutes ~
13:47 BingoBoingo And in old stories, http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/#comment-123318
13:48 mircea_popescu "TOR is a software that with a utter enormous vivid concealed allows you to latibulize from prying eyes the exemplary shooting go together you do and did on the Internet." ?!
13:49 mircea_popescu lol, what is hidden internet. congrats to the orcs!
13:53 BingoBoingo I promise, all I did was kill the links. Yes its spam, but lulzy.
13:54 mircea_popescu i can see that word making a republican career. "buncha latibulizers!!!"
13:55 BingoBoingo Indeed
14:08 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-color-revolution-goes-live-in-venezuela/ << Qntra -- USG Color Revolution Goes Live In Venezuela
14:12 BingoBoingo Anyways, the recent history of Vzla is informative with respect to the US's future, competing with Argentina. As recently as the 1990's Vzla was a rich Germany. Chavez cut it down into a starving Ukraine. Maduro heard the people asking for more socialism and is giving them exactly what they want. Now USG is set to make a Somalia.
14:12 * asciilifeform reads 'vzla' , immediately thinks 'vuvuzela'
14:12 mircea_popescu seems about right
14:16 BingoBoingo Anyways middle class housing in uruguay means maybe a garage. In Vzla middle class housing means a six car garage. The country gets poorer, but can't eat garage.
14:17 BingoBoingo 80s-90s Vzla had the money to build what they saw n the VHS tapes
14:17 mircea_popescu qatar smoking nervously in a corner.
14:17 mircea_popescu this is their exact future, decade or two down the road, now that they've blown their chance.
14:17 asciilifeform how does 'poor with petro' work anyway
14:18 mircea_popescu like so : impudent while it flows and confused when it stops.
14:18 asciilifeform aah
14:18 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Surprisingly quickly. Not all Petro is equal as Vzla shows
14:18 BingoBoingo Every petrol has a skillset it needs to be brought to market.
14:19 BingoBoingo Chavez and Canadian oil sands took Vzla's skill reservoir
14:20 BingoBoingo But, now Canada loses money on the oil sand anyway
14:22 asciilifeform ye olde 'petrostans are macroscale version of bankrupt lottery winner derp' hypothesis
14:22 asciilifeform seems to fit.
14:22 mircea_popescu rather.
14:27 BingoBoingo Anyways, CNN is hearing "Sí, se puede" in chants and translating it to "Yes we can". I am hearing "Si se puede" more of an "if he can..."
14:28 mircea_popescu hahaha
14:29 mircea_popescu right, si is ambiguously yes and if, therefore "if it's permissible" is perfectly valid translation.
14:29 BingoBoingo Seriously, conjugation! Sí nos podemos, no fucking WE in that chant
14:30 mircea_popescu poor usg.blue with its inept http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767545 "experts"
14:30 a111 Logged on 2018-01-09 17:18 mircea_popescu: but what do i know, i dun have fifty +1/+1 green beret cultural experts on the ground to write me briefs.
14:31 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you have any fucking idea what the context was for http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-11#790980 anymore ?
14:31 a111 Logged on 2014-08-11 22:59 BingoBoingo: godovo: http://trilema.com/2009/visurat-s-a-dat-de-goala/
14:32 BingoBoingo I'll have to dig
14:32 * BingoBoingo going to be digging anyways because the CNN "yes we can"-ism is begging for a blog post
~ 23 minutes ~
14:55 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo honestly i'd expect the least ambiguous rendering of "yes we can" would be "si que podemos!"
14:56 mircea_popescu no explicit we either, but at least puts all the accents in the intended places, it's just how you communicate the notion in spanish.
14:59 BingoBoingo TBF, when Obama got stood up in the "Yes, we can" meme in English, I doubt anyone meant "yes we can" to actually that instead of "Yes he can", but English has been broken for a while
15:01 mircea_popescu i thought it was more a case of "yes we can [push affirmative action victim from http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761494 sadness to presidency]"
15:01 a111 Logged on 2014-07-19 03:16 mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!
15:02 mircea_popescu that poor guy, incidentally. first they told him he can be university professor! and he believed. and, unending misery, can barely read, yet has to "teach" constitutional law.
15:03 mircea_popescu then they told him he can be president! and he believed. and... unending http://qntra.net/2015/11/obama-at-asean-money-overwhelms-ideas/ misery, cockpuppet for every passing putin.
15:04 mircea_popescu stupidity characteristically doesn't learn from others' personal history -- but if there ever was an example of why the bootblack ~does NOT~ want to raise above his crepidam...
15:08 BingoBoingo So it appears
15:14 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in local news apparently they don't want people using the doors to congress as an improvised soccer goal anymore https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/-que-cosas-ya-no-se-pueden-hacer-alrededor-del-palacio-legislativo-segun-una-nueva-resolucion--2019123142549
~ 49 minutes ~
16:03 feedbot http://thewhet.net/2019/01/the-roadblock/ << The Whet -- The Roadblock
16:18 BingoBoingo Is that Chimichurri Raptorson in the Trilema header today?
16:19 Mocky being chucked into the air?
16:21 BingoBoingo Looks more like learning to fly by being made to fly.
16:26 hanbot duck chucking's a pleasant pastime, and does seem to encourage interest in flight!
16:27 BingoBoingo Well the kid has to learn sometime
16:27 hanbot you know?
16:38 asciilifeform meanwhile, in thread necromancy -- the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863154 + http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-11#1860677 item gets 5 hrs on 1 charge if light is enabled, 7 if ambient light only ( for nao, runs ancient gentoo )
16:38 a111 Logged on 2018-10-16 00:19 asciilifeform will try again with 'samsung n150' box, with sadder kbd, but same chipset, and reportedly fitting
16:38 a111 Logged on 2018-10-11 17:08 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i recently found that lcd panel made by (defunkt) 'pixelqi co', pq3qi-01 , is still sold by chinese ( i have nfi if clones, or old stock ), ~100 $ ea; the thing toggles from 1024x600 colour/backlit into a 3072x600 greyscale reflector thing, worx with various lappies ( sadly not x60, it's a 16:9 )
16:39 asciilifeform ( with minimal cpu load, i.e. emacs )
~ 21 minutes ~
17:00 BingoBoingo Anyways, US-Vzla diplomatic relations have been cut. USG.BLUE has 72 hours to get out.
17:06 asciilifeform ukrazuela.
17:08 * BingoBoingo still waiting to see about that aircraft carrier
17:10 asciilifeform blue out, red in, lol
17:12 * BingoBoingo has been explaining to people wishing for "humanitarian intervention" that they need to be very careful what they wish for
~ 41 minutes ~
17:53 trinque these people never heard of iraq?
17:59 BingoBoingo Apparently Saddam was a different kind of bad man.
18:00 BingoBoingo Even though both are charismatic fellows rich in moustache.
~ 28 minutes ~
18:29 trinque and rich in oil
~ 1 hours 1 minutes ~
19:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo Mocky yeah lol
19:35 mircea_popescu keks of all time, the imaginary "civil society" is gonna benefit from ustardation.
19:37 asciilifeform possible bonus lol if boat stuck during steam back from syria to ukrazuela on acct of winblowz-nt crash
19:44 asciilifeform meanwhile , measurements : 2.533s is cost of 1 shot of 4096bit m-r (on standard tester iron)
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19:46 asciilifeform 0.413s for 2048.
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19:46 mircea_popescu pretty hefty
19:47 asciilifeform in range of what i estimated earlier, in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886357
19:47 a111 Logged on 2019-01-11 17:30 asciilifeform: btw per asciilifeform's chalkboard, the physical cost of constanttime m-r is ~equal to that of (2 modexps of the given width) x (number of witnesses) .
19:48 asciilifeform must point out tho that you dun leak anyffin if you terminate the m-rism for X after first failed shot.
19:48 asciilifeform ( for n00bz, m-r is montecarlistic for probable-primality but deterministic for compositeness, i.e. if outputs 'composite' then you have in fact a composite )
19:51 asciilifeform naturally each new X is pumped from FG, rather than kochian increment or any such thing
19:51 asciilifeform ( as discussed in detail in '17 thrd )
19:54 asciilifeform this means that the gcd pre-litmus is an unambiguous win ( and you also dun leak anyffin if you terminate after X flunks the pre-litmus and you go an' get a new X)
19:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1885939 << orig thrd re above, for completeness.
19:55 a111 Logged on 2019-01-09 00:19 asciilifeform: in other noose, constant-time stein-gcd aint so bad, 1msec (2048bit operands) , 6msec (4096bit) , 21msec (8192bit), 81msec (16384bit)
20:02 * asciilifeform inclined to reject koch's optimization ( which diana_coman retained ) where witness consists of rng(bitness_of_n - 2) , and actually make witness equal to rng(width) mod (n - 2) for full range
20:04 asciilifeform per the proof, it is seemingly harmless ( a carmichael number has 1/4 of the integers as 'liars' ) but what it does is to prevent simple manual test with small numbers , which is imho quite typically kochian
20:04 asciilifeform one oughta be able to feed any valid, per the theorem, witness, up to n - 2 , and get the expected output.
20:05 asciilifeform *up to 1/4
20:07 asciilifeform ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886898 )
20:07 a111 Logged on 2019-01-14 18:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886533 << this is not only troo but is how one tests a m-r ( you feed it known liars & known troofers for a particular N and verify output )
20:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al : plox to lemme know if ~any~ part of this is unclear, cuz this is rather important moving part
20:11 asciilifeform closest thing there is to a 'jesus bolt' in the thing, arguably.
20:12 asciilifeform when we sit the thing down on a microcontroller with mask rom, or some other similar iron, it will be important to be able to spot-check the m-r and determine that for some input known only to you, it actually behaves as m-r.
20:12 asciilifeform ( without having to use a microscope or whatnot )
20:14 asciilifeform this type of test is impossible on systems where m-r eats witness straight from rng, without possibility to override by hand.
~ 19 minutes ~
20:33 * asciilifeform will bbl,meat
~ 49 minutes ~
21:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is counterintuitively actually better to test with smaller integers than larger ones.
21:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in that can check result with pen ? or canya think of some other reason..?
21:28 asciilifeform afaik density of 'liars' is uniform across numberline.
21:35 mircea_popescu specifically because density is uniform, if you ~only~ check say 64 bit numbers as witnesses (ie, nothing smaller than 2^63) there's a set of composites < certain limit that'll pass ; whereas if you only check 1-63 bit numbers (so the same ~number~ of numbers) there's a set of composites that'll pass, but they're LARGER than the same limit.
21:37 mircea_popescu much like in the case of usual gcd -- checking a random number for divisibility with 2 provides a much larger benefit (eliminates 50% of candiates) than checking a random number for divisibility with 15,485,863, which only eliminates 0.000% of candidates.
21:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's that bach conjecture thing.
21:38 mircea_popescu which is also why there exists such a thing as m-r witness sets, ie sets of witnesses guaranteed to not be false up to a certain value of candidates
21:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform right.
21:40 asciilifeform in so far as anyone can tell, it's troo, and then 64bit witnesses suffice for 4096bit candidates. but not only relies on riemann, but dun win anyffin in ffa, where very small and very large number eat same cpu.
21:40 asciilifeform ( would, if riemann were proven, conserve rng bits, tho , could use fewer of'em )
21:43 asciilifeform incidentally, m-r liars seem to be closed under multiplication, but i have not proven.
21:43 mircea_popescu that'd afaik be a useful result.
21:43 asciilifeform ikr?
21:43 mircea_popescu yes.
21:44 asciilifeform potentially could have cryptoism based on such a thing, if it were in fact troo
21:44 mircea_popescu yes, because not readily computable the reverse, "which number are these liars for"
21:44 asciilifeform ( or even a proofofwork func )
21:44 asciilifeform aha
~ 31 minutes ~
22:16 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/01/24/terminal-pantsuit-discourse-no-there-is-no-we-in-si-se-puede/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Terminal Pantsuit Discourse: No, There is No "We" In "Si se puede"
22:16 BingoBoingo ^ This is getting follow up later
22:29 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "He/She/You can == Puede" << no you belongs there.
22:31 mircea_popescu also it's not Hondoras, it's Honduras
22:31 mircea_popescu nor is there such a thing as Venezuala. did you get your vowels knotted up there ?
22:37 BingoBoingo Vowels indeed iffy today
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