#trilema | 2015-02-10

!up whaack

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mircea_popescu: A cloak is a VPN no? I have one now

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whaack you can go in #freenode ask for a cloak

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whaack: Nah a cloak is freenode masking your VPN

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ah okay

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asciilifeform: http://www.pbfcomics.com/270/

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The Perry Bible Fellowship

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Oh, look at Gawker Media try to infring on Trilema territory http://adequateman.deadspin.com/an-exceedingly-polite-beginners-guide-to-anal-sex-1683774847/+robharvilla

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An Exceedingly Polite Beginner's Guide To Anal Sex

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lol running out of femtalk ?

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mircea_popescu: Prolly?

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Then again this is the "polite" guide

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Did this start as a submission to Ask A Clean Person?

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Jolie Kerr

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Jolie Kerr

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R2D2ESQ

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Today 4:49pm

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^ what is this

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In a sort of roundabout way it did. Kind of a combination of a horror story that was deemed too gross to run in AaCP's former home and some recent questions left in the comments of the bedwetting post.

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derp.

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penalty!

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ya srsly.

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BingoBoingo xx btc to kako beer fund

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LEARN HOW TO KBD NOOB

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!up BingoBoingo

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oh i thought you had made an infinity paste.

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!up Sorry, was playing with Emacs as a manager for my pasta buffers. In over my head.

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that thing when you notice an event that's been announced weeks ago that nobody is going to go to, declare you're going and within six hours everyone's going and teh oirganizer emailed to thank you. twice.

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What's the best way to break through the I-have-no-trust catch 22

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e9e17fb4b3d7f044c329464497b47f3d9ee0facf9b699d05d54f18fdd46f3b0b

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whaack not being stupid usually yields some mercy 1's. also doing something useful.

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whaack: Well, where are you located?

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NYC

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Ouch

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did we have anyone we needed whacked in nyc ?

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financial capital of the world!

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mircea_popescu: Preet seems to whack himself pretty well

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he's not italian even.

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who the fuck';s gonna bother with him.

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mircea_popescu: was the pun on my name intentional?

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no, i often speak biaccident.

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!b 2

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Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XPNJZN.txt )

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<mircea_popescu> who the fuck';s gonna bother with him. >> http://sexylosers.com/089.html

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#089 - Boys Night Out [3 of 4] ... ( http://bit.ly/1vfmpqx )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163000 @ 0.00039168 = 63.8438 BTC [-]

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!up Vexual

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Whilst strolling thru some summer city

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whaack, hey neighbor! I'm in CT

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nice :)

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Met a girl very wall-eyed and pretty

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what part?

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shoreline

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more towards the NYC side at the moment

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Her backdoor was ajar

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alrightie well I'm out thanks for the help with setting up the WoT shit

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So I slammed the thing hard

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Now her eyes are aligned mores the pity

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Anyone got a selenim guy? I wanna get loaded

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00039867 = 10.8438 BTC [+]

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Vexual: selenium?

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Err whats that load testing suite of trickiness?

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More a motel room I guess

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selenium doesn't really do perf testing if that's what you're looking for. it mainly can just drive through html like a browser.

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Perf testing?

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Ah

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performance

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Yes

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there's jmeter for load testing, but it bites, mainly. and it's scripting sucks even more.

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mircea_popescu: Disney just scored another victory today agaisnt the persistent lack of 'Murican culture http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/9/8010169/spider-man-in-marvel-movies-the-avengers

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Spider-Man is now a part of Marvel's Cinematic Universe | The Verge

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it's a free tool. other perf testers can get expensive. *shrug*

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Whats selenium for then? A cheaper version of 10k iphones?

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selenium lets you automate fuctional testing of a http framework -- you can use it to drive through a website, click on stuff, fill out forms, etc.

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*functional

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Neato

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00039867 = 19.0166 BTC [+]

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Bb I saw some mall managers measuring shopfronts for glossiness ignoring the knock off asian disney shit in the centre of their center

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Peripheral vision

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New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/hong-kong-monetary-authority-uses-mycoin-hk-debacle-to-troll-consumers/

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144564 @ 0.00040574 = 58.6554 BTC [+] {2}

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;;google Tony Larussa eye herpes

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Doctor Writes That Pinkeye Is Most Certainly Not To Blame For Tony ...: <http://deadspin.com/5795015/doctor-writes-that-pinkeye-is-most-certainly-not-to-blame-for-tony-larussas-frightening-face>; La Russa's shingles are tough opponent : Sports: <http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/la-russa-s-shingles-are-tough-opponent/article_e3ca259a- (1 more message)

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BingoBoingo, beat ya to it

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Ah

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well, landed on the wikipedia page first

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https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/565035372980490240

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Anybody know how I can stop systemd /var/log/journal from filling ever partition it's in?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149489 @ 0.00039122 = 58.4831 BTC [-] {3}

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BingoBoingo by taking it off ?

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Well one way.

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!up Vexual

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Or send it somewhere unique

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!s horse outside

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0 results for 'horse outside' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=horse+outside

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$hit

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Now I can use kakos bucket shop

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i find it quite amusing how gavin's 5th column are trying to turn their laughable defeat around into a sort of victory along the lines of "well we can';t have what we want, and that's okay as long as you admit democratic process".

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somethingm along the lines of http://www.27bslash6.com/trash.html

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I checked with Carol at the mini-golf hut and no pants were found on the fence.

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Lol

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mircea_popescu: They are 'Murican and can't distinguish consent and consensus

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"Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority", that sort of stuff, "it doesn't matter which way it goes as long as you accept our framing of the issues"

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sort of bullshit. whenever you run into it you can be pretty sure you've run into an usg nest, it's like the fox scent and the fox.

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at any rate : they can't have that much. bitcoin is NOT a democracy. votes DO NOT count. in fact, votes are squarely irrelevant in this matter.

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! Baidu horse outside

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http://rt.com/usa/230759-cnn-us-troops-ukraine/

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Whats happening in Ukraine? I've limited bandwidth

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Qntra got a world affairs tab yet?

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Ish

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?

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BingoBoingo aww, and all this time spend claiming it was teh russians!

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105600 @ 0.00040615 = 42.8894 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215012 @ 0.00041036 = 88.2323 BTC [+] {3}

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Looks like it

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!up beetcoin

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!up hktud0

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00039189 = 20.0452 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56800 @ 0.00039189 = 22.2594 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47315 @ 0.00039045 = 18.4741 BTC [-] {2}

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cazalla: a cake tin that bakes slices of cake so that every slice is an end bit << maybe http://www.amazon.com/Bakers-Edge-Nonstick-Brownie-Pan/dp/B000MMK448

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Amazon.com: Baker's Edge Nonstick Edge Brownie Pan: Novelty Cake Pans: Kitchen & Dining ... ( http://bit.ly/16KCyhm )

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or DIY with thick foil/sheet metal

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http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=44437.0

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Hac (Pilgrimage) - First-Person Adventure W/ Focus on Interaction ... ( http://bit.ly/16KE7vA )

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"a pilgrimage through 1990

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1990's Europe, in a low-poly Trabant

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165500 @ 0.00039219 = 64.9074 BTC [+] {2}

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/nyregion/stream-of-foreign-wealth-flows-to-time-warner-condos.html

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Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1DedOed )

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punkman, that's a start!

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104800 @ 0.00039326 = 41.2136 BTC [+]

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BigBitz

ben_vulpes: Not sure what you mean?

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http://www.mweb.co.za/games/ViewNewsArticle/tabid/2549/Article/18116/Gamer-faces-five-years-in-prison-for-Swatting.aspx

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Gamer faces five years in prison for Swatting > Gamezone > View News Article ... ( http://bit.ly/1Deg98N )

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9crB74IAAAe3TV.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1DeiCA4 )

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http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/06/books/enough-true-belivers-to-run-a-small-war.html

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ENOUGH TRUE BELIVERS TO RUN A SMALL WAR - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1vfXWkP )

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lmao. that ByExpress scam is insanely funny and totally retarded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJMJJIaIurs#t=604 . How are they even hooking anyone on this :o

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BYXPRESS Presentation - YouTube

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!up NewLiberty

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137296 @ 0.0003962 = 54.3967 BTC [+]

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Naphex: lmao. that ByExpress scam is insanely funny and totally retarded << teh accent lol. &teh mouthbreather speech speed...

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mircea_popescu: apparently they are official google partners as well :O

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i'm just amazed. that people will "invest" that high amount and do zero dilligence

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every half serious mfa spammer has that.

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http://www.arq.ro/-byxpress-la-arad

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ByXpress la Arad ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcOIIx )

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thing is this guys seem to be starting from local, so basicly ruining any market

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is this the early stages, or just selectively picking idiots?

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mlm is mostly idiots pretending. sort-of like reddit.

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http://crockpotveggies.com/2015/02/09/automating-tinder-with-eigenfaces.html "Am I still using the bot? I've actually turned it off for now. Admittedly, it worked too well and started to conflict with work."

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Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeolpC )

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do they get busted? they use real names I assume

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and essentialy just defraud their aquantances when it busts?

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acquaintances, family, whoever

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Naphex yes, it's what one of these things is, "con your family and friends".

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"they won't give you money directly ? that's fine, trick them into giving it to us! "

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yeah but they just send it upwards

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which is even more retard it

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as average iq keeps dropping and average intelligence drops with the square of the iq, and as complexity increases like a fucking cube of time or something, there's bound to be more and more of these.

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when i was 18, the average 18 yo could support himself.

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now im 35 and the average 35 yo CAN NOT support himself.

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kinda why defranchising of most of the population / having money and resources controlled by a tiny minority / having most people live in ever larger harems, as ever more abject slaves of whoever's brain still works is unavoiable.

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this is the case for it : people of average intelligence are not actually smart enough to survive.

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and you can't you know, "make everything illegal so idiots have a chance". it will be tried, obviously, but with no expectation of working to any degree.

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Have people actually gotten dumber or has the world just gotten more complex?

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people have factually gotten dumber. AND the world has got more complex.

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something like smart = Cx / t^2 while complexity = Cy + a t ^ 3

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clearly smart/complexity -> inf.

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-> 0 *

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(the reason one can be ^ -2 while the other is at ^ 3 is the hugeness of population : you only need one guy to push complexity up. so in this sense, lower population is in fact insurance against decreasing average life quality)

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well the time between your 18 and 35 is not enough for actual species change, so its environmental ?

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but megatrends may well be observable in a short interval even if they are not in fact contained in that interval.

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re: 10m people, what kind of world can you run on that considering current complexity?

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if some drunk driver loses control over vehicle at t=0, goes over embankment at t = 1.8s and explodes at t = 3.5s,

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it will be BECAUSE he lost control, but the losing of control would have happened long before

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punkman depends how you select them. if well selected, something pretty cool i imagine. like, a world in which nobody is going to spam.

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*

mircea_popescu points to http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ because it's illustrative of the concept. a global village is probably better than the current metastatic urban sprawl.

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Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DepwFw )

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imagine a web without all the idiotic "web start-ups".

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may not be that far off, if us declares it public utility

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no further need for makework jobs, no more government crapolade, etc.

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the need for police, for instance, is a strict function of population density. places with < 1 person / sqkm do not need any police.

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!up CoraCrisT

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thanks, Mircea

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cheers.

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punkman "''a giant theft machine,'' moving billions illegally around the world, engaged in financing the heroin trade, tax fraud and wound up bilking innocent investors of at least $50 million." << the substance of unsubstantiated journalism.

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"he was a drug lord and thief, moving many thousands of dollars and running an unpaid bill of at least 50 bux"

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mircea_popescu: downsizing would of course remove large swaths of complexity/scarcity, but I was thinking if "global village", how many people do we need so I can have computer and underwater fiber network, 10m doesn't sound like enough

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punkman robots.

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you don't seriously imagine that "people" out and about are in fact efficient ?

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doesn't take much to feed them

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currently you have machinery that can cut up, melt and re-set the asphalt. much like a sort of "3d printer for roads", really.

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the only reason it's not automated ? roads aren't straight. and that is because ?

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take out 99.85% of the population, suddenly roads can be straight np.

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:)))))))))

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no more cities ... everyone lives in the country on their own estates?

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global VILLAGE.

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and this is how you become the favorite architect of every dictator in the world

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friend wanted to buy one of those, but local council wasn't gonna fire 12 man-crew

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exactly.

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no more need for make work jobs ? robots.

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i seriouslydon't see why anyone would be laying optic fibre by hand.

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and we actually have the technoogy to make the robots work together and automatically

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becouse as a cable company, we pledge to offer jobs ;))

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much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean

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what's it called. the little derpy robot guy

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hard to replace human repairman with robot currently

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only because so dense.

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hmm.. i would disagree

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once space no longer such a constraint, very easy to do.

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robots are pretty capable of diagnosis and automated repairs

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because human can do things robot can't, even if it has a brain to remote-control it

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there's no doubt in my mind that the "every fuckhead's sacred, god needs every one" current mantra is headed the same way monty python saw catholicism go.

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also robots can do things humans can`t

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punkman yes, but those things don't have to matter.

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imagine a waste disposal team made of robots , in chemical situations, etc :)

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this is like saying "artisan can do things cnc mill can not"

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fukushima robo cleaners

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very true. however, you don't HAVE to fight a war to suit the artisan.

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actually no need to straighten the roads, just do away with them

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you can fight the war so as to suit the cnc mill

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which is fundamentally the point of ww2.

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chetty they won't be roads i imagine, more like hovercraft pads.

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<punkman> doesn't take much to feed them << this is true. cigarettes also don't take much to buy.

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dealing with the after effects of having bought them, however, different story.

07:12

it is incontrovertible fact that most people alive today will have cost more than they were worth by the time they die, and this by orders of magnitude.

07:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67102 @ 0.00040104 = 26.9106 BTC [+]

07:25

lol this is funny.

07:25

;;google "Personal responsibility and the Ponzi scam"

07:25

Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.20>; Ponzi Schemes and Bubble Scam Investment Frauds: <http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/InPerson/MajorPerson/ponzi.htm>; A $50 Billion Ponzi Scheme - Reason.com: <http://reason.com/archives/2008/12/18/a-50-billion-ponzi-scheme>

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;;google Personal responsibility and the Ponzi scam

07:25

Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.20>; Ponzi Schemes and Bubble Scam Investment Frauds: <http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/InPerson/MajorPerson/ponzi.htm>; A $50 Billion Ponzi Scheme - Reason.com: <http://reason.com/archives/2008/12/18/a-50-billion-ponzi-scheme>

07:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113094 @ 0.00040228 = 45.4955 BTC [+] {4}

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07:51

CoraCrisT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1M28fAPHl4 << tine acolo la caz ca ajung astia aradenii bogati. nu se stie.

07:51

RObotzi.S01.Ep6.Paralele - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPvYEt )

08:03

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/futurology-or-the-very-scary-story-of-how-doomed-you-are/

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related: "Indonesia has formally complained to Malaysia over an advert for a robot vacuum cleaner which told consumers to "Fire your Indonesian maid now"." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31143198

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BBC News - 'Fire your Indonesian maid' advert sparks row with Malaysia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPyQRP )

08:07

!up karcano

08:08

unrelated : Teacher explains superlatives, then has children give examples. Little Johhny : Big, bigger, biggest. Little Sammy : Hard, harder, hardest.

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Little Loli : Deep, deeper, ouch!

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08:51

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/genderbendin-lulz/

08:52

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/food-blogger-plunges-to-his-death-from-roof-of-coq-dargent/ar-AA9cZDM?ocid=mailsignoutmd

08:52

Food blogger plunges to his death from roof of Coq D'Argent ... ( http://bit.ly/16Lz3qZ )

08:52

they're down to food bloggers now ? no further bankers left ?

08:54

https://wilkes888.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/final-message-thank-you-everyone/

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Final Message… thank you everyone… | @wilkes888 - London based Food & Drink-o-phile ... ( http://bit.ly/16LzDFh )

08:59

lolwut "The reason for my death is simple. I have concluded that in the realm of dating and relationships the primary characteristics required for men are as follows."

09:01

"Mircea Popescu February 10, 2015 at 14:01 Reply Your comment is awaiting moderation.

09:01

Congrats for figuring it out, and doing the right thing.

09:01

If only more people in your unfortunate situation had the intellectual honesty to look their failure in the eye and take the jump, the world would be a much better place.

09:01

Even among losers, theres hierarchy : the better ones leave, the scum of the scum sticks around."

09:02

sadly i dun think it's ever getting approved.

09:04

"I originally performed this test 5 times and found approximately a 95% skew" << :D

09:04

the guy's name was "boozedude" ..

09:04

kinda like bitcoindude

09:07

"I was told that this sample set was too small so I performed the same test over four to five years until I reached the sample size of 10,000 in total split into tranches of 100. Every time the answer effectively remained the same. All the samples lie between a 94% bias and a 100% bias."

09:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137135 @ 0.00039644 = 54.3658 BTC [-] {3}

09:27

http://wkbn.com/2015/02/05/niles-cop-disciplined-after-questionable-traffic-stop/

09:27

Niles cop back on the job; report found he threatened couple | WKBN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/16OEENu )

09:27

"questionable"

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http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2015/02/09/apple-has-93-of-mobile-profits-650m-users-by-2018-says-canaccord/ << hard not to read this as "apple mobile users dumbest in the room"

09:33

Apple Has 93% of Mobile Profits; 650M Users by 2018, Says Canaccord - Tech Trader Daily - Barrons.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPQdBP )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2926 @ 0.00040302 = 1.1792 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76012 @ 0.00040303 = 30.6351 BTC [+] {2}

10:47

"Yes, and it reaches this point over 100 years from now." << i don't like to think of the future cause i'll be dead, let my children deal with the problem.

10:47

love these pseudo arguments. better entertainment than television

10:49

100 years? that's like forever

10:49

so what if the garbage will catch fire after i throw a lit cigarette in? i'm already on my way out of the building.

10:49

Parking brake? But I'm not in the car anymore!

10:53

thestringpuller what do you quote?

10:53

*did

10:54

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0;all

10:54

Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... ... ( http://bit.ly/195ru0b )

10:55

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/masters-of-parallel-universes.html << orlol

10:55

ClubOrlov: Masters of Parallel Universes ... ( http://bit.ly/195rNrH )

10:56

;;bc,stats

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337149.

10:58

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.msg10362163#msg10362163

10:58

Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... ... ( http://bit.ly/195slOf )

10:58

^^ o.O

10:58

not sure if srs

10:58

suspect it is

10:59

nubbins`: gag

10:59

heheh

10:59

prolly just a lel actually

10:59

inexpensive lol

10:59

i can't imagine anywhere in the world having the capacity or desire to replicate 4k floppies at a time

11:00

it comes with robot to manipulate these floppies

11:00

PeterL

;; later tell mircea_popescu is there no report for F.DERP for january?

11:00

The operation succeeded.

11:00

https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/incentive/

11:00

Bitnodes Incentive Program - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/195sO2R )

11:01

jurov oh! like those cd replicators

11:01

couple servo arms

11:01

*

nubbins` nods

11:03

nubbins`: incentive program << this is what makes zero sense. the buggers have infinite fiat budget, and to their soldiers, they offer... pocket change

11:04

are you talking about the .foundation now? XD

11:04

the phoundation

11:04

which appears to sponsor the 'bitnodes' thing

11:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28143 @ 0.00040766 = 11.4728 BTC [+]

11:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42349 @ 0.00039866 = 16.8829 BTC [-] {2}

11:09

o rly!

11:09

*

nubbins` scrolls down, sees logo

11:09

let's put a pin in this for down the road

11:10

maybe a better use of funds than sending hand-printed posters to slum tenants in middle america

11:10

mircea_popescu: much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean << i recently bought just such a machine. there are at least a dozen manufacturers, and apparently all but one sell machine that work on 'random walk' principle.

11:12

nubbins`: like blood donations, this is probably not the kind of thing you want to pay for and end up seeing done by folks who need the money.

11:12

heh

11:12

alf, you're a sage

11:12

at least not until 'torrent-like' sync mechanism for bitcoind

11:13

at present, you end up connecting to a node using ip-over-dead-goat-modem and curse your fate until disconnects

11:13

.foundation torrent might work, but it'd be janky

11:13

throw a fresh torrent up weekly

11:13

it has to be a built-in mechanism

11:14

leave the stale one around for a week to let existing peers finish

11:14

not really smooth sailing for any definition thereof, but it's a start

11:14

it isn't the start for anything you want

11:14

download your Genuine .Foundation Blockchain today

11:14

manually dropping in blockchains is... ick

11:15

someone'll do it, if not us!

11:15

but you're right

11:15

imaigne manually patching .5.3 for two days, then downloading the blockchain off a random torrent

11:15

o.O

11:16

i guess my pogoplug will arrive this week?

11:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79850 @ 0.00040766 = 32.5517 BTC [+] {2}

11:16

this orlov guy is fun to read, but JESUS does it ever send me on tangents

11:17

5 tabs of info about tunneling diodes... "oh, wait, i was reading an article"

11:24

re: pogo: i have a cross-compile setup of netbsd for pogo (run on any reasonable unix) working

11:24

except for the ramdisk

11:25

(netbsd's cross-build system is buggy as all hell, and it may turn out that i'm the only one trying to use it in anger presently)

11:25

ramdisk is a must because there is no support in netbsd for pogo's nand flash

11:26

not as much of a deal-killer as it appears, however, because netbsd kernel + required userland (not incl. bitcoind) can slide under 2MB easily

11:27

thing will be snarfed from nand by 'u-boot' on powerup, same as linux kernel presently is, and then run

11:28

well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it

11:28

if sata drive found, then looks for blockchain on it, sets as datadir

11:28

if not found - formatted

11:28

*blockchain not found

11:28

if drive not found, red led blinks.

11:28

that's more or less it.

11:28

jurov: castrato clients are uninteresting

11:29

but the bootstrap file itself is pretty harmless. just blocks, nothing else

11:30

and when the torent is updated, it is only appended to

11:30

jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vbi45/i_find_it_comedic_that_people_think_bitcoin_can/cogl1ke << some redditard

11:31

https://appsto.re/us/QI_74.i << so someone also stole the deedbot idea?

11:34

davout

thestringpuller: the idea of timestamping stuff in the blockchain is as old as bitcoin

11:35

davout

oh, a romanian camel dude

11:36

PeterL not much trade, gonna do a joint statement

11:36

davout wait wut ?!

11:36

davout: i kno. i'm just being a h8er. Can't I just hate on people.

11:36

Oh hey the romanian camel d00d!

11:36

Who opposes the blocksize limit cause he can't get laid.

11:36

And doesn't have any money.

11:37

~_~

11:37

thestringpuller "stole"? o.O

11:38

nubbins`: I was being facetious!

11:38

faseeshus

11:38

:(

11:38

faces r us ?!

11:40

faces while u wait

11:41

so im having the 2nd breakfast of the day. like the previous one, this one also consists of milk and apple pie.

11:41

this is why i oppose change.

11:46

mircea_popescu: so you're a hobbit?

11:46

;;google 2nd breakfast tolkien

11:46

Second breakfast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_breakfast>; J.R.R. Tolkien - The Hobbit: Second Breakfast Day: 21st September ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1024039-second-breakfast-day-21st-september>; Popular items for second breakfast on Etsy: <https://www.etsy.com/market/second_breakfast>

11:46

i had coffee and two homemade cookies

11:48

2 lemonade nookies > homemade cookies !

11:54

that dumb thread seriously still going ?

11:54

eh, nm, what am i asking.

11:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68696 @ 0.00041054 = 28.2025 BTC [+]

11:56

in any case, i guess they don't manage in however many posts to get to addressing the key point of "who pays davis' salary these days".

11:56

do they ?

11:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71350 @ 0.00041157 = 29.3655 BTC [+] {2}

11:58

http://nypost.com/2015/02/08/charles-mansons-fiancee-wanted-to-marry-him-for-his-corpse-source/

11:58

Charles Manson’s fiancée wanted to marry him for his corpse: source | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/195FtTr )

11:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00040108 = 21.9792 BTC [-]

11:59

VOLCA SAMPLE OS 1.3 RELEASED

11:59

woop!

11:59

dem parameter locks!!

12:01

(incidentally, the volca sample receives OS updates as modulated audio via a 3.5mm stereo jack)

12:14

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4738 @ 0.00081347 = 3.8542 BTC [-] {6}

12:22

asciilifeform: nubbins`: incentive program << this is what makes zero sense. the buggers have infinite fiat budget, and to their soldiers, they offer... pocket change << you have to understand the extrmely problematic nature of infinite budget. suppose you were trying to fly an aeroplane that had infinite thrust.

12:22

http://ownme.ipredator.se/

nubbins`: let's put a pin in this for down the road << you're keeping screenshots aren't you.

12:27

TomServo

12:27

BTC Piñata ... ( http://bit.ly/1E3H7yb )

12:28

TomServo

Interesting concept there.

12:28

basically a dice game amirite ?

12:28

mircea_popescu who needs it? !s pin from:nubbins`

12:28

dem tools

12:28

jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << are we desperate for old style blockchains ?

12:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110250 @ 0.00041416 = 45.6611 BTC [+] {3}

12:29

mircea_popescu: read on, it is NOT blockchain

12:29

it's just a bag of blocks

12:29

!

12:29

fun

12:29

o.O

12:29

why not a bag of dicks, while at it.

12:29

lego style

12:29

what will YOU build

12:30

!b 19

12:30

Last 19 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KX2T38.txt )

12:30

fuck!

12:30

only underage bashes accepted.

12:30

dat single backspace to erase two-char number ;/

~ 20 minutes ~

12:51

lol the quarterly reports are coming out

12:51

How is Apple making so much money? Does everyone use macs these days?

12:51

never

12:53

Really needs to be a drinking game for these things where you take a shot everytime someone uses a buzz word.

13:00

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vf5xs/deathandtaxes_has_a_brilliant_posting_on_the/ << more whining and machinations of flailing arms

13:00

much more noisy death than most animals.

13:03

so is the bitcoin incentive program going to scale into "If you upgrade to hard fork, we'll incentivize you *wink wink* ?!?"

13:03

We should just take their money by running old nodes.

13:05

LOL they are already doing it!!!

13:05

"Bitnodes uses Bitcoin protocol version 70001 (i.e. >= /Satoshi:0.8.x/), so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped."

~ 16 minutes ~

13:22

heh

13:22

there are plenty of people who would do this for like 5 bucks a month

13:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 245 @ 0.00588819 = 1.4426 BTC [-] {3}

13:31

der[/

13:31

derp*

13:31

this stench of desperation is like overpowering by now.

13:32

there are people who would do this for a buck a month

13:38

there are people who would take a fucking picture of a fucking poster for fifty bucks

13:38

not in ohio, of course, but nevertheless.

13:39

how do these "chinese liquidity injections" actually work?

13:39

is it a straight up purchase of dud assets?

13:40

yes.

13:40

exactly like the us counterparts.

13:40

except china has more and much dudlier assets than you could ever imagine.

13:41

"cleanest shirt in the room" is the phrase i hear our financial "pundits" bandy about.

13:42

except it's not. mpex also in that room.

13:42

"cleanest shirts of the shirts we're willing to see" doesn't have quite the same... flavour

13:43

these are "NPR" reporters - they've no idea that MPEx even exists.

13:45

anyway, it doesn't matter that the us is the cleanest shirt in the room. that's not really the criteria.

13:46

in the woods cabin that is this world, the us shirt sits on the chest of a 16 yo, and his brother the 15yo yurp wears a dirtier one. Nevertheless, the absolute dirtiest one is worn by the 32 yo chinese man, whose shirt is dirty because he's the ony one who gets to fuck the only local woman

13:47

her name's monetization, and that's the whole story.

13:47

it's true that an online blog the boys read said clean shirt wins.

13:47

it's not true that it meant in this context.

14:01

usa 'cleanest shirt in the room' << healthiest horse in the glue factory

14:04

that.

14:09

for that matter... russia has been "under sanctions" for half a year.

14:09

i am terribly curious how the us would look should the eu decide to sanction IT for half a year.

14:09

not that much to the clean shirt theory if one looks closely at the seams.

14:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00041521 = 16.2762 BTC [+]

14:16

"Skipping a bunch of details, they left something in her and it was the cause of last week's night in the ER. The working theory is it is a part from the surgical robot that got dislodged or broken off as all their sponge, suture, and staple counts were on. Regardless, it wasn't there before and it is now and I have no idea what the fuck is going to happen next. According to my wife, the surgeon is of the opinion that

14:16

we should wait and see if it causes any more pain or if it will 'settle in'."

14:16

sounds legit.

14:16

'...so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped.' << phoundation's answer to us, yes. anyone contemplating kelvin versioning again ? why should enemy have this much of an easy time with rejecting our nodes?

14:16

"we fixed your car and your wife, overal the parts count has conserved"

14:17

asciilifeform dude, reacting to idiots is an inept policy. you will end up with egg on your face.

14:17

the correct thing to do is to ignore stupid not to code up to stupid.

14:17

the latter always leaves YOU with stupid in your code.

14:18

in general i agree re: 'wrestling with the pig', but i'm at a loss re: how we aren't simply wearing bull's eyes for no particular reason

14:18

but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file

14:18

or i guess i'll ask danielpbarron to include instructions on how to arbitrarily set it.

14:18

asciilifeform the reason is that the nude woman is perfectly safe in the manly company of the impotent.

14:19

mircea_popescu: it is very easy to set. but i wanted to see logic.

14:19

fuck em. best logic ever.

14:20

oh lulzy, so they're going to skip safe nodes from whatever harebrained changetip scheme they came up with next ?

14:20

help me rwanda.

14:21

notice who is driving this boat : i want to improve incentive structure for nodes ? they execute.

14:21

why exactly is this bad and why exactly should this be fixed ?

14:21

mircea_popescu: which this ?

14:21

let idiots FINALLY pay nodes to node, after five years wasted power rangering, because mp said so. win-win.

14:22

mircea_popescu: ah that. ^ they'll be paying (chump change, apparently) for satanic nodes.

14:22

asciilifeform isn't the entire discussion about how someone (who ?) is going to (citation needed) pay some loose change to everyone that runs a node ?

14:22

so let them do something useful for once in their lifetime, it's not a bad thing.

14:23

phoundation.

14:24

if actually happens, even - it's chump bait. 0.8.6 nodes that will be 'seamlessly upgrades' to gavincoin (how? easy - will lose most history, faux verification from that point on, etc.)

14:24

yaya, fake foudation doesn't actually have what to pay gavin with for the rest of this year. had they stayed in the us they'd have been open to some pretty lulzy litigation.

14:24

and as far as i hear you can't really sell A series as a non profit.

14:25

nsa can always donationwash another or ten.

14:25

asciilifeform that's exactly my point. let them spend their resources paying nodes to node, it's useful. they are incentivized to maximize numbers, which means they will be paying nodes that are conformant to us.

14:25

seems easy enough to write a patch that changes version string

14:25

becayuse while someone may take 1 buck a day to noide, as nubbins` says, they won't fuck up a node for chump change.

14:25

an' so...

14:25

would be pretty lelly to publicly fire up a few k's of .foundation nodes on EC2 and start claiming dat money

14:26

asciilifeform i already bought a bunch of the pogo guys

14:26

nubbins`: yes, easy. question was about the logic.

14:26

nubbins` it's a stupid idea anyway, how do you verify nodeness ?

14:26

if it could be done it'd have been in the fucking protocol.

14:26

well, y'know the next step

14:26

if they manage to do it well, all the better, goes into actual fork.

14:27

mircea_popescu: congrats on scoring the pogos!

14:27

web dev equivalent: "don't target the browser, target the features"

14:27

make a >1MB block and pay nodes that relay it

14:27

yeah, sure, sure.

14:28

anbd then discover you actually fucked up the code

14:28

LIKE EVERY SINGLE PREVIOUS TIME

14:28

didn't stop em before

14:28

anyway, mark my words

14:28

if they're shelling out cash, they're not doing it for a user-settable agent string

14:28

yeah, because gavin really has a coupla k bitcoins laying around to "repay" the miners that bit a steel girder by trusting him.

14:28

they're doing it to push the first block of a fork

14:29

this is so totally happening, everyone has reddit's memory.

14:29

which fails to explain how come some people own millions worth of gear and reddit can barely afford a webcam, but hey.

14:29

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/euloraleaks/

14:29

nubbins` i hope they do this as you describe it, easily maximal lulz.

14:30

i'll put a pin in this, too ^

14:30

"this is the right thing and in your best interest, and we're so certain of this we'll pay you to do it."

14:30

such sense this makes i couldn't begin to tell you.

14:30

!up NewLiberty

14:31

"Bottled Queef Gas may be worth 755%"

14:31

:0

14:37

NewLiberty

Sidechains during a hard fork...

14:39

and a bottle o' queef gas.

14:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ-p4EzWDiE

14:39

Whitesnake - Slide it in - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ahr2pT )

14:50

!up beetcoin

14:53

wow, I have voice.

14:53

are you amazed?

14:53

pretty much.

14:53

I'm not in the WoT yet.

14:56

http://cryptome.org/2015/02/epic-v-dhs-15-0210.pdf << BingoBoingo: wanna clean this up & try an article ?

14:56

... ( http://bit.ly/1AhvHIk )

~ 19 minutes ~

15:15

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vfwx8/bitcoin_core_dev_patrick_strateman_petertodd_is_a/

15:15

Bitcoin Core Dev Patrick Strateman: "petertodd is a retainer slut. hourly is low but most people are paying him for work he isn't doing" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhB4aK )

15:15

so much fiteing on reddit nowadays

15:20

asciilifeform: I'll give it a read

15:20

Naphex someone remind strateman that a) he is a fucking felon fraudster, whose name is forever besmirched by one of bitcoin's most idiotic heists (bitcoinica)

15:21

and that he is also one of the MOST inept "coders" involved in the early stages.

15:21

ie, back when all the idiots thought they're bitcoin coders.

15:21

;;rated phantomcircuit

15:21

You have not yet rated user phantomcircuit

15:22

;;everify mircea_popescu

15:22

Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.

15:22

;;eauth mircea_popescu

15:22

Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

15:22

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b4adb22156bc3560f7f16c899dd2896a9af5c26d90b4c8cf345a6562

15:22

You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

15:24

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2340 "nobody uses nlocktime, how am I gonna built stupid shit on top of it. I know let's make the core wallet use nlocktime on all the transactions."

15:24

Discourage fee sniping with nLockTime by petertodd · Pull Request #2340 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhDG8v )

15:24

Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.0199 BTC. Current weight: 39,665.

15:24

Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 55.923 BTC. Current weight: 91,592.

15:25

;;rate phantomcircuit -10 Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted.

15:25

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user phantomcircuit has been recorded.

15:25

fucktards.

15:25

"oh, let's lay low for a coupla years everything will be fine".

15:26

>>> He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted. | lmao!

15:26

Naphex seriously. one line of python.

15:26

because "security experts" codes in production.

15:27

mircea_popescu: sorry for comment spam on trilema

15:27

fucking << don't work in trilema

15:27

cause html or something

15:27

lol well yes.

15:27

i blame asciilifeform

15:27

jk

15:28

ok i delete the first two keep the last ?

15:31

mircea_popescu: yea

15:31

thx :D

15:33

answer't/

~ 22 minutes ~

15:55

jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << I thought 0.7.2 and later all support it, 0.7.2 being the only version to unpack it as BDB blockchain

15:56

0.7.2 stops at block 150`000 or something

15:56

which makes bootstrapping useless

15:58

torrent chains are a very fucking dumb idea anyway.

15:58

what's next, usagi's privkey generation services ?

15:59

mircea_popescu: 'torrent' in the usual sense would be braindamaged. but nodes loading blocks from more than one peer - is a must.

16:00

^

16:01

asciilifeform i strictly meant the point discussed above, "bootstrap"

16:01

otherwise absolutely.

16:01

funny how botomless the capacity of these people to generate conflicting names.

16:01

it almost looks engineered by now.

16:01

set max number of connections, threshold for abandoning slow peers

16:02

as a percentage of average download speed, i guess

16:02

!up beetcoin

16:02

Thanks.

16:02

nubbins` slow peers nbot even it. out of order block peers much worse.

16:03

you end up throwingaway bw.

16:03

I'm curious about the general sentiment around here that says bitcoin should not scale. That it is not for "the common man".

16:03

not that I necessarily disagree,

16:03

you should prolly read the logs eh.

16:03

beetcoin, you'll remain curious for a while

16:03

perhaps the forseeable future

16:03

"should not scale" << heh.

16:04

such unexamined assumptions.

16:04

maybe those aren't the best words

16:04

I have read some of the logs, but it is rather a lot to read

16:05

i was specifically thinking about the out-of-order crapolade.

16:05

asciilifeform problem is that if you penalize nodes for misbehaving thus, you'll just in practice randomly cut them off. as thery all do.

16:05

beetcoin: one can either read the forums, or the log. not both.

16:05

reddit, in this case, counts as a forum.

16:05

now... if OUR node was better, to privilege it would make sense. and itd; be worth WAY more than the five bux or w/e on tap.

16:05

ben_vulpes that's like saying one can either read a brief history of time or their cereal box

16:06

ben_vulpes, heh yeah at least log.b-a is finite; can't that /that/ long to read

16:06

nubbins`: more like "collected works of mark twain"

16:06

one million lines is it ? should be about a year, for someone that is professionally qualified to read.

16:06

man's still gotta eat brekkies 8)

16:07

whereas reddit et al. is a bottomless pit of idiocy

16:07

danielpbarron nobody ever read all of reddit. so it's okay : failure by design.

16:08

what role should bitcoin play then?

16:08

what role does gravity play?

16:08

well, i realize bitcoin is not a sentient 'actor'

16:09

but humans can't really change gravity

16:09

beetcoin: what, is an uninterdictable store of value not enough for you?!

16:09

exactly

16:09

it's good enough

16:09

what could be more awesome than the knowledge that the system will have 21M coins...FOREVER?

16:09

it ain't broke

16:09

don't fuck with it.

16:10

<beetcoin> but humans can't really change gravity << or bitcoin.

16:10

that's the principal point here. it's not a "technology". it's not an invention. bitcoin is a discovery.

16:11

bitcoin has changed somewhat since its invention though

16:11

it was always there, and it'll hit you over the head until you die if you cross it.

16:11

for ANY value of you.

16:11

i just said it wasn't invented lol.

16:11

okay, so it has changed since its discovery

16:11

notrly.

16:12

fundamentally, it hasn't

16:13

but a number of forks have occurred

16:13

you might need to go do some reading.

16:13

if you mean the unintentional power ranger fuckup of 2013, that fork was killed.

16:13

one could make the argument that bitcoin wasn't really discovered until you could use it on MPEx, and since then it hasn't changed

16:13

we are still on the OLD chain, we didn't move to the new one that emerged then.

16:14

beetcoin: the last time gavin tried to change bitcoin in one of these "fundamental" ways, he burned a lot of capital fixing all of the idiots bitcoinds who went with him.

16:14

in spite of it having been - temporarily - longer.

16:14

https://twitter.com/mwlauthor/status/565196442789507072

16:14

"Custom crypto-cracking hardware is pricey & rare, but your local tool store has cheap human-cracking hardware." /hashtag/tsmastery?src=hash

16:14

ben_vulpes ever wonder how he could afford that /

16:14

a fork is not impossible in principle

16:14

one year you throw away k's of btc, the next year you need foundation salary for 10s of btc ?

16:14

if enough people wanted to, it could happen

16:14

in practice, however.

16:14

beetcoin and you know this how ?

16:15

beetcoin: not "enough" people.

16:15

bitcoin is not a democracy

16:15

the right people.

16:15

what "enough people" want and five dollars in cointips buys them a cup of coffee.

16:16

bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy?

16:16

its a rule of the universe.

16:16

it just does what it wants then

16:16

quite.

16:17

man the redditards have amnesia i guess; they used to use the honeybadger example of "bitcoin don't give a bit!"

16:17

Starsoccer: you're joining and cloaking in the wrong order.

16:17

danielpbarron this was back when reddit mostly consisted of people who had bitcoins.

16:17

they either gotr scammed and sold out as the price went up, because they couldn't justifyably keep those hjoldings

16:18

now it's mostly people who don't have bitcoin, and desperately wish to be told "that's okay".

16:18

so... new set of memes for the new set of retards.

16:19

mircea_popescu: simple experiment shows that penalizing nodes sending out-of-order blocks - does very little. as pointed out. what we want is to 'embrace & extend' the block sync process in the sense of preferring friendly nodes for sync.

16:19

those being ours.

16:20

only if we can make our nodes give out blocks in order.

16:20

otherwise pointless.

16:20

well yes.

16:21

right.

16:21

any of you try 'micro-ecc' yet ?

16:23

Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.8963 BTC. Current weight: 75,226.

16:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48540 @ 0.00041332 = 20.0626 BTC [-] {2}

16:24

punkman ? ben_vulpes ?

16:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00041267 = 11.7611 BTC [-]

16:37

asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/dc-court-of-appeal-upholds-redaction-of-protocol-to-shutdown-wireless-networks/

16:37

DC Court of Appeal Upholds Redaction of Protocol to Shutdown Wireless Networks | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5szey )

16:38

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/dc-court-of-appeal-upholds-redaction-of-protocol-to-shutdown-wireless-networks/

16:39

" two damns on the US-Mexico border" ?

16:40

fxd, mispelling due to habit

16:41

question for all: has anyone, ever, built netbsd ramdisk on cross-compile build system, or knows of anyone who has done so, or knows so much as a shred of evidence that this has ever worked?

16:41

the published cookbooks, without exception, describe a process which leads nowhere.

16:42

open sores.

16:44

;;isup http://fetlife.com

16:44

Bondage, BDSM & Fetish Community - FetLife ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRLcZC )

16:44

http://fetlife.com is up

16:45

asciilifeform i know people who have tried and gave up.

16:45

asciilifeform: Most NetBSD instructions do. Most platforms they support can get some sort of bootable kernel but not much in the way of a useful userland... The Japanese love it because they can say their toilets "run" unix...

16:46

BingoBoingo: i've built perfectly usable netbsd boxes previously. but this one -has- to be a cross-compile. and live in ramdisk.

16:48

thing is, netbsd is the one and only path because 1) it builds the toolchain 2) builds a <1MB kernel 3) perfectly set up for a one-executable userland. but (3) refuses to happen so far

16:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78019 @ 0.00041104 = 32.0689 BTC [-] {2}

16:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77781 @ 0.00040995 = 31.8863 BTC [-]

16:50

and the frustrating thing is, i have the kernel built. and all standard userland proggys. but ramdisk also needs the /dev and /etc; the former - has to get crapped out of a build script thingie that refuses to grind

16:51

lel @ fetlife

16:54

i thought i broke it.

16:55

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/crystalwash/crystal-wash-20-clean-laundry-with-no-detergents/

If only you had a Sharp Zaurus to do a native compile

16:56

diametric

16:56

Crystal Wash 2.0: Clean Laundry with No Detergents by Crystal Wash — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5vm7n )

16:56

diametric

magic.

16:56

BingoBoingo: zaurus << and a spare century or two

16:57

Or week...

16:57

kickstarter now lists ~40+ year-old scamatrons...

16:58

not only listed on ks, but 'staff pick'

16:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00041525 = 27.6141 BTC [+] {3}

16:59

asciilifeform: MAKEDEV doesn't work?

17:00

mod6: nothing involving netbsd's 'make' - 'nbmake' - works.

17:01

"Everyone loves Raymond" https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00457.html

17:01

Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5wcRI )

17:02

mod6: 'nbmake: no system rules (sys.mk).' in all cases.

17:02

mod6: and yes, the file exists. just isn't seen.

17:04

BingoBoingo this is pretty huge. if you feel like spinning it together with the discussion re symbols a few weeks ago makes a pretty great qntra article. informative and in depth of what matters.

17:04

want me to find the log ref for you ?

17:04

BingoBoingo: is esr posting from a parallel universe where llvm has actual optimizations ?

17:04

asciilifeform esr is posting from an universe where apple has ambitions.

17:04

BingoBoingo: i can only conclude that he is an apple/usg shill.

17:05

mircea_popescu: I've waken today to a rather full plate, maybe someone else wants.

17:05

as the expression goes, "it could buy all of russia!"

17:05

it can't actually do THAT, but some other things it can buy

17:05

asciilifeform: Best I can tell as always ESR simply thinks he can avoid starvation

17:06

asciilifeform: are you building from the tooldir? or added it to your path? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/minix3/slkHJV1SXW4

17:06

Google Groups ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5wW9j )

17:06

not sure if that helps at all.

17:06

'TL;DR: You can't beat clang. Join it.' << this idiot has long avoided his correct place - in pederasty and by the latrine corner.

17:06

asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ?

17:07

mod6: yes, it is set to the path that the 'tools' build.sh process spits out.

17:07

hmm.

17:07

<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ? << Probably FreeBSD 10 generally slower than 9 because clang/LLVM

17:07

mircea_popescu: the llvm thing, prior to career as apple crud, had a previous life as a darling plaything of u.s. 'comp sci' academitardia

17:08

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 475 @ 0.00505845 = 2.4028 BTC [-] {3}

17:09

for folks unfamiliar with esr, he has always been an unabashed barnacle who clung to whatever he saw as 'winning' at the moment. so usg did not have to break his kneecaps. he knew exactly when to bend over and lube up.

17:13

gcc is a natural target, as one of the last remaining total bastions agains poetteringization and 'modern advances,' 'pr0gr3ss!111!1111!,' etc.

17:14

the ancient, gnarly code, the caretakers - few in number, mostly know one another; the infrequent patches - not an especially shitgnome-friendly environment.

17:16

thus it will be attacked in every available way. the 'consensus' of 'the community' and 'how the world works' will stand as a solid wall against the 'obsolete, white male privileged' gcc.

17:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121600 @ 0.00041578 = 50.5588 BTC [+] {4}

17:31

Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 65.923 BTC. Current weight: 91,565.

17:31

Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.10433047 BTC. Current weight: 17,101.

17:31

can anyone here shed any light on the question of how netbsd's 'nbmake' finds its global config, 'sys.mk' ? the docs are silent. and no, it doesn't look in its install dir.

17:33

BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1D045X0

17:33

dpaste: 1D045X0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5Ax7k )

17:34

asciilifeform i think you;ll enjoy my write-up, if it gets picked up :D

17:34

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/jeb-bush-document-dump-identity-theft-risk/

17:35

asciilifeform yes, exactly. the problem is that they (unknowingly) approximate the wot

17:36

asciilifeform $home ? "D

17:36

let's do a 'trichotomy' on the netbsd thing. as far as i can see, there are three and only three possibilities in a case like this (i am deliberately not including the forth, of my being a muppet.) 1) whole orchestra -never- worked 2) once worked, but a sniveling shitgnome fucked with the docs 3) docs were once correct and described a working sys, but a sniveling shitgnome changed the code 'because pr0gr3ss'

17:37

mircea_popescu: nope. this is a cross-compile and uses 'TOOLDIR' var.

17:37

o righjt

17:42

"Licenses and "control" have absolutely nothing to do with it. Stefan" :D

17:42

oh, some holdouts still don't wish to trade power for the fetish of power ? pretend like power doesn't even exist anymore!

17:42

wat

17:43

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00472.html

17:43

Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5BRao )

17:44

probably more notable, https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00498.html

17:44

Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5C1P4 )

17:45

"As mentioned earlier, in any case I will happily accept and install LLDB support into gud.el. So as long as I'm Emacs maintainer, your opinion on whether this might ruin the FSF's goals are not relevant."

17:45

mask fell off.

17:45

open challenge to rms? the latter will remove the gnome if he has any balls left

17:46

he hasnot so far done so.

17:48

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00598.html << best irony award

17:48

Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5CyQZ )

17:50

what shocks me is the extreme structural coherence of the red herrings deployed.

17:50

metzger could be that blind schmuck in systemd could be gavin etc.

17:50

almost like there's a script, aha.

17:51

New post on Qntra.net by Mircea Popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/a-discussion-of-military-strategy-in-the-21st-century/

18:04

mircea_popescu: lmao http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/620xX/Feb2015/61633021.jpg :D

18:04

... ( http://bit.ly/1z5EMjk )

18:05

aha ?

18:06

hanbot

bingoboingo "pretty patters" > patterns

18:07

mircea_popescu: Did you mean to say patterns or patters

18:07

With your acid rain metaphore

18:07

patterns

18:08

odd how that ~degraded~ gracefully huh

18:08

anyone with ideas re: resolving the 'sys.mk' retardation, speak.

18:09

netbsd or minix are afaik the only practical paths towards a 100% crud-free node box.

18:09

asciilifeform management sez take a break you're chewing the scenery.

18:09

asciilifeform: Mailing list?

18:09

btw re ers : i'm not so sure about all that barnacle. isn't the guy a major libertarian ?

18:10

and while i could, with some effort, shoehorn bitcoind into one of the still-produced alternatives for 'pogo' - all of which have no more than 32M of ram - it presumes something other than the mega-turd that linux kernel is.

18:10

i'm taking a forced break, simply have no time presently

18:11

http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archives

18:11

Everybody loves Eric Raymond ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5FIEk )

18:11

and yes, esr was a barnacle on 'foss' from day one. authored inconsequential crap, claiming to be 'contributor'; attached his name to 'jargon file' historical book, having added various bogus entries; etc

18:11

mircea_popescu: ESR professes as to be such

18:12

isn't he the guy with the catedral anbd bazaar book ?

18:12

yes, him

18:12

http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/deb-ian << Particularly related

18:12

Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Deb-Ian ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5FUDw )

18:14

asciilifeform, what about gentoo on the pogo?

18:15

danielpbarron: linux kernel and minimal userland are massive compared to netbsd

18:15

those can't be stored on /dev/sda1 ?

18:15

danielpbarron: the latter is almost -readable- in length

18:16

danielpbarron: those can't be stored on /dev/sda1 << absolutely not. node must be self-contained and able to format a brand-new disk entirely on its own, when plugged in.

18:16

ohh..

18:16

right :/

18:17

danielpbarron: 128M of eeprom are more than enough to store whatever you want, but these things eat up ram footprint (both by themselves and when read-cached)

18:17

is there a way to modify the linux that comes with the pogo?

18:17

i have its source

18:17

danielpbarron: but try to understand a more fundamental principle here. eventually this needs to turn into a system with -no- extraneous parts. as in, i take a stick and point to a byte, and you are able to tell me why it is there.

18:18

danielpbarron: i have not been able to build the linux that comes with pogo. the included patches do not apply cleanly.

18:18

i haven't tried it yet

18:19

danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit.

18:19

so it's not just me; this stuff is just very frustrating

18:20

danielpbarron: linux 2.6.x kernel is a mega-turd. and while there remains a single line therein which does not execute during the normal operation of bitcoind-on-pogo, i will maintain that this is true.

18:21

i like your high standards :D

18:21

i so wish that programmer castle school existed

18:21

danielpbarron: and there is no practical way to separate the 'flies from the cutlets' here. who here has even 'tried' building a lin. kernel with -not one- driver for hardware you don't have or want?

18:22

it certainly cannot be accomplished by twiddling the usual config. there is crud in there by the megatonne, glued in with glass.

18:24

<asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit. <<< funny how much stock rms puts in the nude declaration, huh.

18:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53450 @ 0.00041405 = 22.131 BTC [-]

18:25

well i would still like to put gentoo on my pogo inplace of arch, even if it is not the final solution

18:25

and before anyone asks, no, you can't automagically strip the crapolade away with a profiler. certain routines are quite legitimately there but are traversed infrequently (say, only when shutting down, or if disk is full, or a cable is unplugged, nuclear war has been declared, and so on.)

18:28

danielpbarron: not so simple (doable, though) - it has to run from rom. you almost certainly must use 'buildroot.' i have a 'buildroot' config that grinds out a kernel and a userland, but said kernel fails to boot and produces no output to /dev/ttyS0 - despite being configured to do so. evidently the support for Marvell chips in the mainline 3.xx kernels is bogus.

18:28

*

danielpbarron sighs

18:29

shitgnomes lie, lie, but that would be inconsequential if the lies did not also take the form of bogus code that supposedly functions, but go and try to replicate. not one thing in ten works as described or to spec.

18:29

one of the best parts of living in argentina ? you can have email exchanges with "don Pablo Picasso". literally.

18:40

New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/coinbase-to-shut-down-tipping-button/

~ 16 minutes ~

18:56

sounds reasonable eh "HSBC's economist Paul Bloxham reports average house prices are up 23 per cent in the last 2½ years and a whopping 33 per cent in Sydney, citing figures from RP Data CoreLogic."

18:57

at this rate, housing might outpace gavin's blocksize roadmap

19:01

;;seen Pierre_Rochard

19:01

Pierre_Rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> ;;gettrust buttonwood_

19:11

"It's 6 GB per block, meaning it would grow by 864 GB a day. In 2035, that might not be much." << LOL

~ 18 minutes ~

19:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10686 @ 0.00041405 = 4.4245 BTC [-]

19:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14538 @ 0.00041405 = 6.0195 BTC [-]

19:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6462 @ 0.00041741 = 2.6973 BTC [+]

19:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKREzgzH1BY&feature=youtu.be&t=11m52s

19:52

ZapChain Interview with Charlie Lee, Creator of Litecoin, and Engineering Manager at Coinbase - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AiTtUr )

20:00

"Walkley writes that his assessment of vendor data in smartphones suggests Apple, whose shares he rates a Buy, captured 93% of industry profits in Q4." << why are all of apple's competitors in the 'mobile market' simply trying to imitate apple?

20:01

obviously they suck at being apple, why not try something new?

20:02

asciilifeform: which robot vacuum doesn't work on the random walk?

20:13

because nobody got fired for being lame ?

20:13

cazalla anything good ?

20:14

mircea_popescu, it's just coblee saying "a lot of the stuff we do at coinbase, we don't really think through"

20:14

lol k

20:16

because nobody got fired for being lame ? << yeah right up there with 'nobody got fired for buying ibm'

20:17

dsame difference.

20:18

!up pete_dus_

20:18

pete_dushenski, you canadians are crazy, if it's not kidnappings, it's driving cars into court houses and now.. bomb threats for btc lol

20:18

thanks decimation

20:18

cazalla lol i missed the bomb threats!

20:18

it'll be up on qntra soon

20:19

http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/11/the-economics-of-sinking-20-mb-gavincoin-blocks/

20:19

The economics of sinking 20 MB Gavincoin blocks. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fwf7Vf )

20:19

cazalla eh you guys have been busy today

20:22

20MB tomorrow, 20GB next year

20:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00041405 = 8.1361 BTC [-]

20:25

"mebbe if the price won't go to the moon, block size can!"

20:25

"something needs to increase because we're poor!"

20:25

hey who ate pete's enski

20:26

i ate my own enski...

20:26

lol

20:26

hanbot

BingoBoingo "security-anihilating bugs on a yearly basis" > how about annihilating, then?

20:26

i'll throw it back up later

20:26

penguin styles

20:28

hanbot: fxd

20:28

im off. take it easy all

20:28

asciilifeform: http://dcist.com/2015/02/largest_flyover_in_dc_history.php << apparently on 8 May there is going to be a massive WWII aircraft flyover over the dc mall

20:28

One of The Largest Flyovers In D.C. History To Take Place In May: DCist ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fwh0RQ )

20:30

apparently no soviet, japanese, or german aircraft though

20:32

Not any planned soviet,japanese, or luftwaffe that is

20:32

hehe

20:36

;;Nethash

20:36

322519858.468

20:38

;;later tell mircea_popescu "the -EV human quicly collapse towards zero." << quickly

20:38

The operation succeeded.

20:38

pete_dus_ has a new nickname

20:38

lol

20:39

lil' dus

20:39

but for a moment

20:39

i'll be big someday and then you'll be sorry!

20:39

mircea popescu from this day forward

20:39

you will also be known as

20:39

Big_dus

20:39

E-ratic Wanderer

20:39

http://www.mess.be/inickgenwuname.php

20:40

pete dushenski from this day forward you will also be known as:

20:40

Tha Professional

20:40

sounds so... serious

20:41

Biggest Dus in the Universe

20:41

should get some wu tang name generator integration with da bots

20:42

!Up bingoboingo

20:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00041677 = 24.6728 BTC [+] {3}

20:46

so pete_dus_ I'm trying to find the Volvo version of Saddam to buy

20:46

shit's hard to find

20:46

Found a volvo 960 but it looks like it was rebuilt

20:47

the right one will come along

20:47

even though she looks to be a rare beast

20:48

ok, 1.5 mn made isn't that rare

20:50

New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoins-not-bombs-has-a-different-meaning-in-canada/

20:55

yea. just the process of finding the beat is hard despite rarity. car dealings are always sketchy it seems on surface level.

20:58

does the volvo 960 diesel have a diesel engine?

20:59

http://www.statejournal.com/story/25980272/nrao-vehicle-fleet << diesels free of electronics are radio-quiet

20:59

NRAO Vehicle Fleet - Business, Government Legal News from throughout WV ... ( http://bit.ly/1E5W96I )

21:04

decimation: you talking about the turbo diesal?

21:04

diesel*

21:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00041405 = 5.9416 BTC [-]

21:05

Those things were beasts of a different generation.

21:05

thestringpuller, mine is Violent Professional.. i like it :)

~ 27 minutes ~

21:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12397 @ 0.00041405 = 5.133 BTC [-]

21:35

Whats the gribble command which gives you the bid ask spread?

21:36

;;Market all

21:36

Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "all" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.

21:44

;;Market spread

21:44

Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "spread" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.

21:44

;;ticker --market all

21:44

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 222.66, vol: 8000.07229681 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 219.449, vol: 10904.32522 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 222.71, vol: 31443.94426496 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 222.579025, vol: 135412.11480000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 215.01, vol: 3.2855 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 225.324951989, vol: 102.10393921 | Volume-weighted last average: 222.422411331

21:51

Thank you

21:52

;;Ticker

21:52

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.74, Best ask: 223.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 222.96, 24 hour volume: 8004.31430320, 24 hour low: 215.0, 24 hour high: 223.43, 24 hour vwap: 219.121262387

21:55

;;Bids 216.90

21:55

Bitstamp | There are currently 893.13569 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 195807.056847 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0122 seconds

21:56

;;baratio

21:56

Bitstamp | Total bids: 3848932 USD. Total asks: 10028 BTC. Ratio: 383.79991 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 62.8659 seconds

~ 18 minutes ~

22:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00041405 = 6.6662 BTC [-]

22:27

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4321 @ 0.00082988 = 3.5859 BTC [+] {5}

22:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9616 @ 0.00041742 = 4.0139 BTC [+]

22:33

so there is a gavincoin twitter account and it's followed by a co-founder of activision

22:41

!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.justusranvier.-2:60908b3a5891c5ee52759dcff6a4e3fe099511f500c40082b9f5cef4e5dfa374

22:41

Successfully updated the rating for justusranvier from 1 to -2 with note: blocked me on twitter

22:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00041648 = 4.498 BTC [-]

22:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19241 @ 0.00041742 = 8.0316 BTC [+]

23:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4807 @ 0.00041862 = 2.0123 BTC [+]

23:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00041862 = 7.891 BTC [+]

~ 18 minutes ~

23:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00041412 = 17.4966 BTC [-] {2}

~ 15 minutes ~

23:40

RATINGS DRAMA WAR

23:41

is that not a good reason to distrust someone?

23:42

not in my book, no.

23:42

your wot, your rules.

23:42

Naphex: uncloaked!

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i wasn't even interacting with him

23:43

i found out i was blocked from reading that PeterTodd thread about the blocksize

23:43

i mean i go to you later and say "hey whaddaya know about justusranvier, did he run with some coins or something?"

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you say "nah he blocked me on twitter"

23:44

he is apparently in favor of gavincoin

23:44

that's why he blocked me

23:44

i'm going to pretty quickly and steeply discount your rating inputs

23:44

well that's something else entirely now innit?

23:44

so now it's a web of trades again?

23:45

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014795 << and in the 40s whole orchestras practiced for 8 hours a day and gigged at the milongas later. tell me this world isn't poorer!

23:45

Logged on 10-02-2015 11:40:01; mircea_popescu: when i was 18, the average 18 yo could support himself.

23:45

granted, they were supported by the dictator but hey - tango!

23:46

danielpbarron: just looks like a slapfight from over here is all i'm saying.

23:47

since when did twitter matter, etc

23:47

anyways your wot your rules, i'm just ribbing you for apparent triviality.

23:47

So true

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https://twitter.com/justusranvier/status/565172541258342400

23:48

Nifty paper proving what we knew already: w/o a blocksize limit there's no PoW security -> death of Bitcoin. http://t.co/VPsgVkdzj9

23:49

has the thing been debunked?

23:49

i have no clue

23:52

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014942 << i found that whole saga endlessly amusing

23:52

Logged on 10-02-2015 16:10:15; nubbins`: maybe a better use of funds than sending hand-printed posters to slum tenants in middle america

23:52

from the hilariously wacky posters to the20year derping

23:54

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015000 << you're the second nerdiest black guy i know

23:54

Logged on 10-02-2015 16:46:25; thestringpuller: ;;google 2nd breakfast tolkien

23:54

i played dnd with the other one in college

23:54

he though does good works for ye olde welfare state in mass now

23:55

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015042 << neutered combudders and preprogrammed "apps" are devouring the "laptop" market Apple built itself upon.

23:55

Logged on 10-02-2015 17:51:37; thestringpuller: How is Apple making so much money? Does everyone use macs these days?

23:56

the upside to this is that eventually the laptop market as we know it is going to disappear, and people who actually *use* computers will have to pay 10k each.

23:56

this is a good thing because there's room in that budget for build quality.

23:56

1.5k bezzlebucks...just doesn't cut it.

23:56

the newest macbook air to hit the shop actually arrived with a slower (!) CPU than its predecessor.

23:58

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015089 << this. death to magic numbers.

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