| 00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
You can feel good about our project without putting down other projects, so lets keep it clean. I said something similar << this, for the record, is fucking stupid. |
| 00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
putting dumb shit down is not about "your project". it's about your environment. you put shit down for the same reason you don't keep dirty textiles everywhere |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
which, obviously, these "cms geeks^H^H^H^H bums do keep. but anyway. |
| 00:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Such is the peril of conflating a common interest into "community" |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
if you don't do that, you stand at risk of being called a cult! |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing more intense, interesting or functional than this much is allowed!!! it would be bad. THINK OF THE CHILDREN |
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| 00:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00021254 = 3.7407 BTC [-] |
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| 00:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11199 @ 0.00021254 = 2.3802 BTC [-] |
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| 01:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29069 @ 0.00022317 = 6.4873 BTC [+] {3} |
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| 01:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00022705 = 5.4719 BTC [+] |
| 01:28 |
brendafdez |
Ok, if gnome can't be trusted: I'll be switching to Bob. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpenYCIiDkM |
| 01:28 |
assbot |
Happy 20th anniversary, Microsoft Bob - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwVfW1 ) |
| 01:30 |
brendafdez |
It was the Metro interface back in 1995 |
| 01:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5718 @ 0.00022152 = 1.2667 BTC [-] |
| 01:37 |
trinque |
brendafdez: here's another good one http://www.smartcomputing.com/images/smartcomputing/fullsize/393n1209.jpg |
| 01:37 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HwXit4 ) |
| 01:37 |
trinque |
emulates a real tabbed binder for enhanced usability |
| 01:39 |
trinque |
http://reeseriverson.com/rriverson/pics/IMG_3373-800px.jpg |
| 01:39 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HwXzfK ) |
| 01:42 |
mircea_popescu |
!up marteen |
| 01:42 |
brendafdez |
Well, my first computer was a Pentium 100 Mhz with 8 MB RAM that my parents bought in 1996, I stayed with that thing until 2005 or so. For many years that meant that I used DOS and Win3.11 daily bc W98 was too much for that piece of hardware. Once around 1999/2000 I borrowed from a friend a linux book which came with a Red Hat CD but dual booting was not an option (also the HDD was like 500 MB). It brings back memories seeing those in |
| 01:42 |
brendafdez |
s, which I spent many years of my childhood with. |
| 01:43 |
marteen |
thanks mircea_popescu :) |
| 01:43 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
| 01:43 |
marteen |
I shouldn't be awake for longer than 30 minutes :) |
| 01:44 |
mircea_popescu |
looking at those pics... god almighty has the "visual" aka "graphical" interface been a dead fucking end omfg. |
| 01:44 |
trinque |
utterly pointless |
| 01:44 |
brendafdez |
Click on the dog, now click on want to change something, now... |
| 01:45 |
mircea_popescu |
swipe right to have sex with this dog |
| 01:45 |
trinque |
your mail's up his ass; he ate it |
| 01:46 |
brendafdez |
you can buy an expansion pack for $29.99 to get more dogs to have sex with, don't forget to mail your registration card |
| 01:47 |
ben_vulpes |
<indiancandy1_> i dont get the wot thing mircea talkin about << righteous |
| 01:47 |
trinque |
http://e.fastcompany.net/multisite_files/fastcompany/imagecache/inline-large/inline/2013/09/3017236-inline-ibooks-publishing0.jpg << what, 20 years later? |
| 01:47 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HwZAbH ) |
| 01:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ba is so ecclectic. |
| 01:48 |
ben_vulpes |
marteen, eh? |
| 01:48 |
ben_vulpes |
howdy, you |
| 01:48 |
brendafdez |
but they removed the dog... |
| 01:48 |
mircea_popescu |
that url scheme looks like it's channeling django the drupal dog. |
| 01:48 |
brendafdez |
and invented a nice skeumorphic word for it |
| 01:49 |
marteen |
ben_vulpes: hello! |
| 01:49 |
ben_vulpes |
oh god this ubuntu from africa thread |
| 01:49 |
ben_vulpes |
priceless |
| 01:49 |
ben_vulpes |
look at the boys trying to gently inculcate sense into her |
| 01:49 |
mircea_popescu |
it goes on for a while. |
| 01:50 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Rye-New-Hampshire.html |
| 01:50 |
assbot |
Registered sex offenders in Rye, New Hampshire - crimes listed, registry-based, living in this city ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0fKa ) |
| 01:50 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066787 << why not? |
| 01:50 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 01:55:24; brendafdez: I subscribed to a linux for girls community a couple of months ago. Can't tell you what it's like |
| 01:51 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit, eight towns nobody heard about in a state that's barely extant, thousands of sex offenders ? |
| 01:51 |
ben_vulpes |
marteen: what brings you around here? |
| 01:51 |
mircea_popescu |
how many are there in total by now ? 1mn ? 10 mn ? |
| 01:51 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: everyone's a sex offender in the states. |
| 01:51 |
mircea_popescu |
it seems so |
| 01:51 |
ben_vulpes |
piss in public - sex offender |
| 01:51 |
brendafdez |
ben_vulpes bc see this http://i.imgur.com/TQmHfIX.png |
| 01:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0uVB ) |
| 01:51 |
marteen |
ben_vulpes: i saw a reference to this channel on a mailing list |
| 01:51 |
mircea_popescu |
pissing is sex ? |
| 01:51 |
ben_vulpes |
it actually comes down to the "fight me and see" attitude of the attorneys |
| 01:51 |
brendafdez |
marteen which list? mine? |
| 01:51 |
brendafdez |
:P |
| 01:51 |
marteen |
brendafdez: yes |
| 01:51 |
brendafdez |
wow |
| 01:52 |
ben_vulpes |
plea bargin for sex offender or fight us for your life |
| 01:52 |
trinque |
also penises are illegal, they just have to find something else to say |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
John P. Mcsheehan |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03 |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03 |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
Crime: felonious sexual aslt, Conviction date: 1994-06-03 |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
Crime: 3 counts of felonious sexual assault(victim 13 or older & under 16 & age diff more than 3 years), |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
3 counts, because the girl was 15. |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
very odd counting. |
| 01:52 |
ben_vulpes |
no trigger plz |
| 01:52 |
ben_vulpes |
this triggers my america ptsd |
| 01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
plz stahp |
| 01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
can it be ptsd if i'm still living the nightmare? |
| 01:53 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, turns out i misread the data. it's "residents per sex offender". |
| 01:53 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically... two guys, 5k pop -> 2l |
| 01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
!gettrust assbot marteen |
| 01:53 |
assbot |
marteen is not registered in WoT. |
| 01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
marteen, you savvy gpg? |
| 01:53 |
marteen |
brendafdez: i've been lurking there for a little while :) |
| 01:53 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes it'd be dtsd. |
| 01:54 |
marteen |
ben_vulpes: sure |
| 01:54 |
ben_vulpes |
marteen: get in the wot then, eh? |
| 01:54 |
marteen |
ben_vulpes: I don't know what WoT is though :( |
| 01:54 |
ben_vulpes |
dtsd << makes me think of that eegan story asciilifeform |
| 01:54 |
ben_vulpes |
linked a bit back |
| 01:54 |
ben_vulpes |
!help |
| 01:54 |
assbot |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot |
| 01:54 |
brendafdez |
marteen they say 6 months is the bare minimum :P |
| 01:54 |
ben_vulpes |
oh god now i'm getting spammed by bots |
| 01:54 |
ben_vulpes |
trinque: plz to not overload !help |
| 01:55 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: wut |
| 01:55 |
brendafdez |
marteen who are you in the list? |
| 01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
yous ay it |
| 01:55 |
trinque |
!help |
| 01:55 |
assbot |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot |
| 01:55 |
trinque |
lol |
| 01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
hyuuu |
| 01:55 |
marteen |
brendafdez: hhmm, I'm not sure I've been there for that long... |
| 01:55 |
marteen |
brendafdez: I've never sent anything, just read |
| 01:55 |
trinque |
yeah I'll change that |
| 01:56 |
ben_vulpes |
marteen: basically it's a gpg-backed ident thinger |
| 01:56 |
ben_vulpes |
nobody's going to take you seriously until you buy in |
| 01:56 |
* |
marteen readin about the wot... |
| 01:56 |
ben_vulpes |
brendafdez is that weird chick from ba |
| 01:56 |
marteen |
ben_vulpes: I see, thanks :) |
| 01:56 |
ben_vulpes |
whereas indiancandy is just that hilarious hoo-er |
| 01:56 |
ben_vulpes |
difference being... |
| 01:57 |
brendafdez |
she has better looking tits |
| 01:57 |
ben_vulpes |
that's your insecurity speaking. |
| 01:57 |
ben_vulpes |
no, wot participation. |
| 01:57 |
brendafdez |
;) |
| 01:57 |
ben_vulpes |
we all know how the bsasians are about their 'security' |
| 01:58 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066829 << is this a new one? |
| 01:58 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 02:09:27; assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey. |
| 02:08 |
brendafdez |
maarten your IP shows you might be located in Mendoza, that's interesting, I there not long ago, with Sebastián Serrano and others, and we had a couple of presentations and a meetup. Do I know you? |
| 02:08 |
marteen |
brendafdez: yes, I'm from Mendoza |
| 02:08 |
marteen |
brendafdez: but, I'm afraid we don't know each other :( |
| 02:09 |
marteen |
brendafdez: I think I know which events you mention, but I couldn't not attend |
| 02:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16151 @ 0.00020765 = 3.3538 BTC [-] |
| 02:10 |
ben_vulpes |
then you must've been there! |
| 02:10 |
brendafdez |
We need more sponsors to keep doing that hah, we had a couple for that trip, still didn't even break even |
| 02:11 |
marteen |
ben_vulpes: heh, sorry, I meant "I could not" :P |
| 02:11 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: i give up, how are a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog the same? |
| |
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| 02:12 |
marteen |
(it seems I couldn't decide between "I couldn't" and "I could not" :P) |
| 02:12 |
brendafdez |
marteen do you use irc often? I was pretty much a virgin before getting into b-a. You could go to the #freenode channel and ask for a cloak, so not everyone will see your IP. Also, you might be interested in registering your username with NickServ so it doesn't get squatted like indiancandy1_ 's |
| 02:13 |
brendafdez |
!up marteen |
| 02:14 |
marteen |
brendafdez: oh, I've been using irc for a while :) |
| 02:14 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/four-new-jersey-schools-infected-by-ransomware/ |
| 02:14 |
marteen |
brendafdez: my username has been registered for a few years |
| 02:14 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064798 << oh come now it's because your salesforce is down there and sales is nasty dirty work programmer folk hate to do. |
| 02:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 23-03-2015 07:55:57; trinque: all my money's coming from tejas; there's a reason for that |
| 02:15 |
marteen |
brendafdez: thanks a lot anyway :) |
| 02:15 |
trinque |
ben_vulpes: I was pissed |
| 02:15 |
trinque |
nbd |
| 02:15 |
ben_vulpes |
in more ways than one |
| 02:16 |
trinque |
ayep |
| 02:18 |
brendafdez |
marteen pretty nice to have a fellow list member over here. Were you reading the list in 2013? It was a space of sane and interesting discussion which has since been lost. That's why I mentioned b-a in my message, bc I htink some of the oldtimers might be interested. Also, we used to have wences and rdponticelli, both of them were also here back in the day. |
| 02:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6982 @ 0.00021108 = 1.4738 BTC [+] |
| 02:19 |
marteen |
;;gpg eregister marteen 050434ED71A1704C |
| 02:19 |
gribble |
Request successful for user marteen, hostmask marteen!~martin@190.113.141.247. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/050434ED71A1704C |
| 02:19 |
ben_vulpes |
marteen, you'll want to register with assbot for this crowd. |
| 02:19 |
marteen |
brendafdez: nope, back in 2013 I had no idea the list existed |
| 02:19 |
brendafdez |
!h |
| 02:19 |
assbot |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot |
| 02:20 |
marteen |
brendafdez: well, I'm glad I came to this channel then :) |
| 02:20 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064878 << all hail the holy cunt |
| 02:20 |
assbot |
Logged on 23-03-2015 08:53:20; mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/f54460da0cbc358c33a1304125119cb4/tumblr_mmwqr9Y3Ty1rsze6qo1_1280.jpg << the birth of an idea |
| 02:22 |
marteen |
ben_vulpes: oh, sure, let me see... |
| 02:22 |
marteen |
!register 050434ED71A1704C |
| 02:22 |
assbot |
That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint. |
| 02:22 |
brendafdez |
the whole key id |
| 02:25 |
marteen |
oh, I see, thanks... |
| 02:25 |
brendafdez |
Key fingerprint = 15F6 BD45 240C 4679 C5F5 59B5 0504 34ED 71A1 704C |
| 02:26 |
ben_vulpes |
!register 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C |
| 02:26 |
assbot |
Nick ben_vulpes is already taken. |
| 02:26 |
ben_vulpes |
well duh, assbot. |
| 02:26 |
ben_vulpes |
full fingerprint, marteen. "long", as they say. |
| 02:27 |
marteen |
!register 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C |
| 02:27 |
assbot |
Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C. This may take a few moments. |
| 02:27 |
assbot |
Key 71A1704C / "Martín <martinrd@gmail.com>" successfully imported. |
| 02:27 |
assbot |
Registration successful. |
| 02:27 |
marteen |
ben_vulpes: thanks! |
| 02:27 |
ben_vulpes |
brendafdez: just out of curiosity, do many people have things delivered across the river and shuttle them over via ferry? |
| 02:27 |
ben_vulpes |
!rate marteen 1 new blood |
| 02:27 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ad8bfcdd35cd592c |
| 02:28 |
brendafdez |
I couldn't possibly know. The only people I know who do it are bringing in stacks of cash |
| 02:28 |
ben_vulpes |
!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.marteen.1:7944d2caed41fbbd7aa09e713e695bfc06bea154bf64946071175cb7f764ac6f |
| 02:28 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of 1 for marteen with note: new blood |
| 02:28 |
ben_vulpes |
hm well try it and let me know, eh? |
| 02:28 |
brendafdez |
ben_vulpes so when do I get my prize for bringing in new blood to please the gods through sacrifice? |
| 02:29 |
ben_vulpes |
!rate brendafdez 1 blood for the blood god |
| 02:29 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6f4484e018020ae7 |
| 02:29 |
brendafdez |
:D |
| 02:29 |
ben_vulpes |
!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.brendafdez.1:285f1f9f410f44c13ace2538b25bd5d53eec2cc674b822e19fc67a1a35827a2f |
| 02:29 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of 1 for brendafdez with note: blood for the blood god |
| 02:30 |
ben_vulpes |
i hope you're happy, jnerula... |
| 02:30 |
brendafdez |
ben_vulpes you need someone there you could ship things to? |
| 02:31 |
brendafdez |
ben_vulpes I could put you in contact with people who may want to do it, but I think they have their issues with customs too, not as stringent as argentina |
| 02:31 |
ben_vulpes |
interested in derpy small-scale arbitrage opportunities. |
| 02:31 |
brendafdez |
abritrage :) |
| 02:31 |
ben_vulpes |
kind of only insofar as it might get me lower price tickets |
| 02:31 |
ben_vulpes |
still fueling this rocket over here. |
| 02:32 |
ben_vulpes |
although, entertainingly, every day the election cycle grows closer, babe-o-tron grows more insistent about spending 2016 out of the country. |
| 02:32 |
ben_vulpes |
"couldn't agree more, dear." |
| 02:34 |
* |
trinque nods |
| 02:34 |
brendafdez |
!gettrust ben_vulpes assbot |
| 02:34 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 9 via 6 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/assbot | http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot |
| 02:34 |
brendafdez |
oh, so he still can't voice himself, right? |
| 02:34 |
ben_vulpes |
? |
| 02:35 |
trinque |
!gettrust assbot martin |
| 02:35 |
assbot |
martin is not registered in WoT. |
| 02:35 |
trinque |
!gettrust assbot marteen |
| 02:35 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user assbot to user marteen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/marteen | http://w.b-a.link/user/marteen |
| 02:35 |
trinque |
derp |
| 02:35 |
brendafdez |
oh :) |
| 02:35 |
ben_vulpes |
brendafdez: you must be new here :P |
| 02:35 |
trinque |
brendafdez: those in L2 or better can voice |
| 02:36 |
brendafdez |
ben_vulpes :P i'm am, but i've already fixed the lastness issue. No longer the newest, new flesh blood, and on it goes. |
| 02:36 |
brendafdez |
s/flesh/fresh/ |
| 02:38 |
ben_vulpes |
as far as the wot goes, you are actually the newest member. |
| 02:39 |
brendafdez |
why? hasn't he just registered? |
| 02:39 |
ben_vulpes |
oh, ah. |
| 02:39 |
ben_vulpes |
!gettrust brendafdez |
| 02:39 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user brendafdez: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/ben_vulpes/brendafdez | http://w.b-a.link/user/brendafdez |
| 02:43 |
ben_vulpes |
now's your chance to !up yourself, marteen |
| 02:44 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell mike_c i've got high hopes for the wot-site -- you set a high bar with WoL |
| |
↖ |
| 02:44 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 02:44 |
brendafdez |
marteen you can message !up to assbot and verify by decypting the string |
| 02:48 |
ben_vulpes |
wd. |
| 02:48 |
marteen |
nice... I need to automate this now |
| 02:48 |
ben_vulpes |
it |
| 02:48 |
ben_vulpes |
it's not so bad |
| 02:49 |
ben_vulpes |
the voice persists with your connection |
| 02:49 |
marteen |
oh, no more 30 minutes? |
| 02:49 |
marteen |
ok |
| 02:50 |
ben_vulpes |
30 minutes is for strangers |
| 02:50 |
marteen |
cool |
| 02:52 |
brendafdez |
now whenever you're bored you can read logs or the blogs (http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com). One never reaches the end http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066689 |
| 02:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 01:39:34; trinque: lol, cmere toddler, check out the deep end |
| 02:54 |
marteen |
brendafdez: interesting! thanks :) |
| 02:54 |
marteen |
brendafdez: so... you planning on coming back to mendoza soon? |
| 02:58 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065272 << christ what are you doing |
| 02:58 |
assbot |
Logged on 23-03-2015 16:55:19; nubbins`: mod6 ben_vulpes FWIW 0.5.3.1 downloading blocks on Darwin nubs.local 13.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Wed Dec 17 19:05:52 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.115.10~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 |
| 02:58 |
brendafdez |
well, i don't have plans, but it may happen. The last trip we made as part of the Giras Bitcoiners project was Asunción in Paraguay last December. The funding issue wasn't getting better. Only one of the trips allowed us to break even. |
| 02:58 |
ben_vulpes |
okay fine, share your recipe |
| 02:58 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i need something beyond "turd" now |
| 03:00 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell nubbins care to share your darwin recipe? |
| 03:00 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 03:00 |
brendafdez |
This brings us to another issue which is the way the 'foundations' present themselves as as sort of official representation of bitcoin. That way they are better able to get funds from companies which want to be advertised and from membes of the community who want to 'be part of bitcoin'. It's what the FBA was/is doing and what the BF was/is doing on a much larger scale. |
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| 03:00 |
marteen |
brendafdez: ok, I see |
| 03:00 |
brendafdez |
When we presented our project as an independent bunch of guys it wasn't the same. |
| 03:01 |
marteen |
makes sense |
| 03:01 |
brendafdez |
but who know, neither me nor the other 3 'founders' have buried it, so... |
| 03:02 |
marteen |
brendafdez: you mention 'funding issue'... how do you usually get this funding? |
| 03:02 |
brendafdez |
it was awesome for us as an experience I must say, getting to know the local communites, to travel so much, also to be able to promote one 'real use case' for bitcoin to local service providers |
| 03:02 |
marteen |
of course... I can imagine it must have been a great experience :) |
| 03:02 |
ben_vulpes |
burning suckers' cash always is. |
| 03:02 |
brendafdez |
through sponsors, we had some of them, bitpagos sponsored every trip, digicoins sponsored the trip to mendoza, beOk sponsored the trip to paraguay |
| 03:03 |
ben_vulpes |
hence the startup as flamethrower fueled by bezzlars metaphor. |
| 03:03 |
brendafdez |
:D |
| 03:03 |
marteen |
brendafdez: aah, cool! |
| 03:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34817 @ 0.00020828 = 7.2517 BTC [-] {4} |
| 03:06 |
brendafdez |
but also it was always open to people who wanted to come with us. As generally we weren't even covering the costs, having more poeple participate usually meant each one had to pay a smaller fraction, usually less money. |
| 03:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00021289 = 5.748 BTC [+] |
| 03:09 |
marteen |
brendafdez: ah, of course... that's nice |
| 03:11 |
brendafdez |
I wanted to write an article on 'bitcon evangelism' or 'selling bitcoin', which of course is selling it to the companies not the people :P |
| 03:12 |
brendafdez |
selling the campanies the idea that you'll be selling them with bitcoin to people who attend the talks/conferences/etc |
| 03:13 |
marteen |
that would be great |
| 03:13 |
brendafdez |
The whole 'evangelism' thing is bullshit, but there are incentives to do it, companies paying for it, who get their money from vcs and desperately need adoption, users, whatever |
| 03:14 |
marteen |
well i think we need more companies accepting bitcoin |
| 03:14 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu: why let everyone think beauty and brains don't mix ? <<< get those eyes checked, perhaps same time as indiancandy gets that nose seen too |
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| 03:14 |
brendafdez |
the point about evangelism is that if you suck the right cock you may make a living out of it. I'm not naming names |
| 03:15 |
marteen |
hhmmm, interesting... |
| 03:15 |
marteen |
brendafdez: you you can make a living out of it, even being from argentina? |
| 03:17 |
brendafdez |
why do we need more companies 'accepting bitcoin'? No, really, why? http://www.contravex.com/2014/02/25/matters-of-bitcoin-merchant-adoption/ |
| 03:17 |
assbot |
On Matters of Merchant Adoption | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSEbaU ) |
| 03:17 |
brendafdez |
I told you i wasn't even breaking even :P ask the FBA guys, they got funded in late 2012 to do it, and a few who suck theirs get a small part of the cake |
| 03:19 |
marteen |
oh, ok... |
| 03:20 |
marteen |
well, I mean... I'd like to buy more things more directly with bitcoin... |
| 03:20 |
brendafdez |
you can sell the bitcoin and buy with fiat, |
| 03:20 |
cazalla |
brendafdez: indiancandy they are awesome <3 those tits. I feel guilty now that I made you start posting pics :) <<< great tits, great body, but what a busted face she has |
| 03:20 |
brendafdez |
if you hold gold you dont need merchants to accept gold |
| 03:20 |
marteen |
brendafdez: yea, but that's still pretty inconvenient (selling btc for fiat) |
| 03:21 |
brendafdez |
why is it? bc there are no people doing it cash in mendoza? i know for a fact thats not the acse |
| 03:21 |
brendafdez |
if you were in a small town and no bank account then maybe inconvenient |
| 03:22 |
marteen |
I don't know any people here in mendoza that provide that service |
| 03:22 |
marteen |
and still, it's an extra step |
| 03:23 |
brendafdez |
santiago castiglione travels there often bringing cash, the two btb braindamaged morons do it, if you can stand their stupidity. Tha saner person in Mendoiza is Adriel Araujo from Bitpagos. Contact him, he'll be able to help you, no doubt. |
| 03:24 |
marteen |
and if it involves a bank account, then that adds to the inconveniency |
| 03:24 |
marteen |
brendafdez: wow, thanks for all this info :) |
| 03:25 |
marteen |
anyway, even if there's availability of btc <-> fiat services, i'd much rather avoid the intermediaries (and the banks) |
| 03:30 |
brendafdez |
the banks can be avoided entirely. The intermediary is not a must. You can just get in contact with other people, publish your own listings and such. When you're paying with bitcoin, they are selling the bitcoin, so the cost is also there. In Argentina anyway pretty much no transactions at PoS are made in bitcoin, it's just a show for companies which pretend to be doing busniess helping merchants accept bitcoin |
| 03:32 |
brendafdez |
If mircea or pete were online and willing to discuss it, it would be easier, they have a more solid and convincing rhetoric than I could dream of myself |
| 03:33 |
brendafdez |
but it's problematic for many reasons to think that the value of bitcoin is to be able to pay coffe at a shop |
| 03:34 |
brendafdez |
bitcoin is like gold. And gold is no less valuable when you can't spend it at a coffe shop. And even if there are large costs to exchange such modest amounts of gold or silver |
| 03:37 |
marteen |
hmm, ok... I think I understand your point |
| 03:38 |
brendafdez |
There was a point in bitcoin history when bitcoin was basically free, it had no monetary value, at least during 2009, and mostly also 2010, now it would be unthinkablee |
| 03:38 |
brendafdez |
In the future we'll look back and wonder how bitcoin transactions used to be free, when they have large costs involved and it needs be so to keep the network secure |
| 03:39 |
brendafdez |
so when blocks fill up and transactions start competing and miner subsidy goes down halving after halving the cost issue of why its not for coffee will be clearer |
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| 03:40 |
marteen |
but I would still like to be able to make small electronic value transactions without recurring to a central trusted party though |
| 03:40 |
marteen |
would this be possible? |
| 03:41 |
marteen |
ever? |
| 03:41 |
brendafdez |
i'm not sure, there are alternatvies, alternative chains, sidechains, whatever, which certainly can't compete with bitcoin. |
| 03:41 |
brendafdez |
right now bitcoin is an alternative even for coffee |
| 03:42 |
brendafdez |
however i doubt it's a better technology than handning a piece of paper in exchange for drinks |
| 03:42 |
marteen |
hhmmm, i don't like these papers |
| 03:42 |
brendafdez |
print your own |
| 03:42 |
marteen |
hehe |
| 03:43 |
* |
ben_vulpes suspects a sybil |
| 03:43 |
brendafdez |
after all, fiat and the monopoly of money by the state has been going for barely a century. |
| 03:44 |
* |
brendafdez may be saying lots of bullshit here. Hope to get corrected. |
| 03:44 |
brendafdez |
for most all the rest of human history private money was no big deal |
| 03:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26831 @ 0.00021616 = 5.7998 BTC [+] {2} |
| 03:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5569 @ 0.00021944 = 1.2221 BTC [+] |
| 03:46 |
BingoBoingo |
lol https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858 |
| 03:46 |
assbot |
Bug 1202858 – restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BK4DNV ) |
| 03:46 |
marteen |
brendafdez: btw, thanks for taking the time to explain all this to me :) |
| 03:47 |
brendafdez |
that's where we're heading back with bitcoin, taking away the power of the government. Sometimes one loses the big picture. Taking the ability of the government corporation to finance itself through robbery (taxes) and deceit (inflation) is important. Decentralizing coffy purchases at small shops maybe not so much. You could do it in centralized brandatokens and get your bitcoin sent at the end of the day. If I charge you much you go |
| 03:47 |
brendafdez |
indiancandytokens instead. |
| 03:47 |
marteen |
i find it all really interesting |
| 03:48 |
marteen |
ohh, yea, that last part I could accept |
| 03:48 |
brendafdez |
it's not that bad having centralized private tokens. |
| 03:48 |
marteen |
I agree with that |
| 03:48 |
brendafdez |
for certain use cases. |
| 03:49 |
marteen |
the key there is that it should be very easy and almost free for anyone to create a centralized private token |
| 03:49 |
BingoBoingo |
brendafdez> bitcoin is like gold. And gold is no less valuable when you can't spend it at a coffe shop. And even if there are large costs to exchange such modest amounts of gold or silver << It going take some intermediate step. Instead of trading you highly valuable Bitcoin/Plutonium for coffee you trade it for big bundle of credits at the coffee shop or whatever the local cash sustomarily used for small value trades is |
| 03:50 |
brendafdez |
but for quite a while there's been a trend to sell 'decentralization of your grandma through smart contracts in the blockchain' as the next big thing, that's maybe just smoke and meaningless bullshit to appeal to the vcs |
| 03:50 |
brendafdez |
BingoBoingo brendatokens would be fine. |
| 03:51 |
marteen |
coffeetokens |
| 03:51 |
marteen |
I can trust my coffee shop |
| 03:52 |
brendafdez |
if they can trust you back, especially now that youre in the wot you could pay with your own |
| 03:53 |
marteen |
and I can even trust the 'verdulero', etc., but i definitely don't trust my bank |
| 03:53 |
brendafdez |
you'll like it: http://szabo.best.vwh.net/shell.html |
| 03:53 |
assbot |
Shelling Out -- The Origins of Money ... ( http://bit.ly/1BK562B ) |
| 03:53 |
marteen |
brendafdez: thanks, I saved it for reading it later |
| 03:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12591 @ 0.00021946 = 2.7632 BTC [+] {2} |
| 03:58 |
brendafdez |
There's also qntra, it's the sane place to get your bitcoin cup of coffee without all the CoinDesk shit |
| 03:58 |
brendafdez |
that's where one goes when time's not enough to read logs and blogs :P |
| 04:00 |
marteen |
nice, thanks |
| 04:00 |
brendafdez |
Next time I'll see BingoBoingo I'll try to get him to gpg sign something that says they want my Spanish translations :P |
| 04:00 |
brendafdez |
*Next time I see BingoBoingo really drunk |
| 04:00 |
brendafdez |
I was going to say |
| 04:01 |
brendafdez |
Sadly he will not be coming to the conference, so I can't put substances in his drink to make him open the keyring (? |
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| 04:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 10000 @ 0.00020865 = 2.0865 BTC [-] {2} |
| 04:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20509 @ 0.00022537 = 4.6221 BTC [+] |
| 04:44 |
cazalla |
<brendafdez> Next time I'll see BingoBoingo I'll try to get him to gpg sign something that says they want my Spanish translations :P <<< did we not make it clear that they are wanted? |
| 04:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5041 @ 0.00022041 = 1.1111 BTC [-] |
| 04:45 |
cazalla |
my suggested would be to set you up on es.qntra.net, but ask mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo for their thoughts |
| 04:45 |
cazalla |
suggestion* even |
| 04:46 |
cazalla |
alternatively, translate the spanish bitcoin news to english and have it on main qntra |
| 04:57 |
mircea_popescu |
es. works |
| 05:00 |
punkman |
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858 |
| 05:00 |
assbot |
Bug 1202858 – restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xecN5z ) |
| 05:00 |
mircea_popescu |
now that's behaviour i can get behind! |
| 05:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067167 << wet nose. |
| 05:01 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 06:11:21; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i give up, how are a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog the same? |
| 05:08 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067250 << agreed, guy's incredibly talented for web design without being retarded. he ruined all sorts of pet theories with that. |
| 05:08 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 06:44:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c i've got high hopes for the wot-site -- you set a high bar with WoL |
| 05:10 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067273 << scammers will scam. unavoidable with any new thing. |
| 05:10 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 07:00:23; brendafdez: This brings us to another issue which is the way the 'foundations' present themselves as as sort of official representation of bitcoin. That way they are better able to get funds from companies which want to be advertised and from membes of the community who want to 'be part of bitcoin'. It's what the FBA was/is doing and what the BF was/is doing on a much larger scale. |
| 05:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067295 << i'm a talented politician yo, dun hate. |
| 05:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 07:14:17; cazalla: mircea_popescu: why let everyone think beauty and brains don't mix ? <<< get those eyes checked, perhaps same time as indiancandy gets that nose seen too |
| 05:14 |
mircea_popescu |
ahh check it out, everyone's asleep, i got the whole multiplex all to myself. |
| 05:15 |
jurov |
heh i just woke up |
| 05:16 |
mircea_popescu |
top o' the mornin' for you. |
| 05:16 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, i recall your friend that was going to help with eulora for windows. he ever got in wot ? |
| 05:17 |
jurov |
not heard from him since :( |
| 05:17 |
mircea_popescu |
any way to ping him ? |
| 05:17 |
jurov |
will email/phone him |
| 05:17 |
mircea_popescu |
thanks. |
| 05:18 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067323 << check it out, all the stuff brenda figured out on her own. pretty quick twist eh. |
| 05:18 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 07:39:37; brendafdez: so when blocks fill up and transactions start competing and miner subsidy goes down halving after halving the cost issue of why its not for coffee will be clearer |
| 05:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28712 @ 0.00022758 = 6.5343 BTC [+] |
| 05:22 |
fluffypony |
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858 |
| 05:22 |
assbot |
Bug 1202858 – restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xedMTv ) |
| 05:22 |
mircea_popescu |
lol even found the old szabo threads and everything. i'm curious what comes of this. |
| 05:22 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony oddly, was in log. |
| 05:22 |
fluffypony |
oh |
| 05:23 |
mircea_popescu |
which... i grant you... figure the fucking odds. |
| 05:23 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 05:23 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking groupthink in here i swear. |
| 05:23 |
mircea_popescu |
you people are worse than slackernews. |
| 05:25 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla you know how to set that shit up tho ? |
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| 05:27 |
mircea_popescu |
probably the easiest way would be to just create the es. en. spaces and install a fresh wordpress for es. |
| 05:27 |
mircea_popescu |
seeing how wp does not actually support multilanguage natively. |
| 05:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00022758 = 3.7551 BTC [+] |
| 05:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00022793 = 1.926 BTC [+] {2} |
| 05:56 |
jurov |
O.o :P dat log.. fake indiancandy? |
| 05:59 |
mircea_popescu |
who's to know. |
| 05:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"Iran will emerge, whether we like it or not, as the central power in their sphere," said Aaron David Miller, an analyst at the Wilson Center and former State Department official. |
| 05:59 |
mircea_popescu |
heh, |
| 05:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00022317 = 6.9071 BTC [-] {2} |
| 05:59 |
mircea_popescu |
omnipotent impotence! make way! all hail! |
| 06:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/19/syria-predator-drone-isis/25034633/ |
| 06:02 |
assbot |
Drone shot down by Syria vexes Pentagon, White House ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOIum7 ) |
| 06:03 |
mircea_popescu |
methinks the entrie drone thing is getting abandoned eventually. they don't actually seem to work worth a shit. |
| 06:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53338 @ 0.00022189 = 11.8352 BTC [-] {2} |
| 06:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9862 @ 0.00023126 = 2.2807 BTC [+] |
| 06:17 |
mats |
wtt is going on with the share price |
| 06:18 |
mats |
im hemorrhaging money |
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| 06:19 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah down for what, two weeks straight by now ? |
| 06:20 |
mats |
something like that |
| 06:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12525 @ 0.00023126 = 2.8965 BTC [+] |
| 06:35 |
punkman |
mats, you just gotta buy more now |
| 06:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00023056 = 4.6112 BTC [-] {3} |
| 06:41 |
mircea_popescu |
or sell, lol |
| 06:42 |
punkman |
maybe the shareholders didn't like that all new accounts are depositing to private addresses? |
| 06:43 |
mircea_popescu |
timing seems off. |
| 06:49 |
punkman |
!t m s.qntra |
| 06:49 |
assbot |
Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure. |
| 06:51 |
mircea_popescu |
4 letters. |
| 06:51 |
mircea_popescu |
!t m s.qntr |
| 06:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC) |
| 06:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00022635 = 2.2635 BTC [-] |
| 06:58 |
scoopbot |
New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/ |
| 07:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00022693 = 3.3813 BTC [+] {2} |
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| 07:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: methinks the entrie drone thing is getting abandoned eventually. they don't actually seem to work worth a shit << whatcha talking about, they're as good for rocketing trucks full of unarmed people as they ever were... |
| 07:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00022706 = 3.9963 BTC [+] |
| 07:59 |
asciilifeform |
'restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive (rm -rf /*)' << not bug, pheature! |
| 07:59 |
asciilifeform |
'Я просто кончил :) красношляп доставляет!' << from comments |
| 08:00 |
mircea_popescu |
if they ever get close to a truck. |
| 08:00 |
asciilifeform |
approx. 'i simply cummed. redhat's simply something' |
| 08:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the way the machines are typically used is that usg knows precisely where the truck will be |
| 08:01 |
asciilifeform |
at time t |
| 08:01 |
asciilifeform |
often because someone inside has a phone or is otherwise pissing rf |
| 08:01 |
asciilifeform |
(or did at any point while truck was moving) |
| 08:02 |
mircea_popescu |
provided of course they're not in range of fire, |
| 08:02 |
mircea_popescu |
or of gsm jamming. or etc. |
| 08:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21595 @ 0.00022549 = 4.8695 BTC [-] {2} |
| 08:02 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: you mean gps jam ? |
| 08:03 |
mircea_popescu |
right |
| 08:04 |
asciilifeform |
a little high for rifle, but a ww2-era airplane could take it down. |
| 08:05 |
asciilifeform |
none of the american unmanned machines have any defensive armaments. |
| 08:05 |
asciilifeform |
(they are not built to fight, but to assassinate) |
| 08:06 |
asciilifeform |
'predator', interestingly, has a top speed similar to a decent car's. |
| 08:06 |
asciilifeform |
a small flying machine 'toy' could easily catch up with it. |
| 08:08 |
asciilifeform |
payload can be ordinary thermite. |
| 08:10 |
asciilifeform |
(the 'no defenses' thing is not strictly true, at one point 'predator' was fitted with a small anti-aircraft rocket, iirc in gulfwar-2) |
| 08:10 |
nubbins` |
<+ben_vulpes> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1065272 << christ what are you doing << 8) |
| 08:10 |
assbot |
Logged on 23-03-2015 16:55:19; nubbins`: mod6 ben_vulpes FWIW 0.5.3.1 downloading blocks on Darwin nubs.local 13.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Wed Dec 17 19:05:52 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.115.10~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 |
| 08:10 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: i need something beyond "turd" now << wai wat |
| 08:10 |
nubbins` |
i'll put together a makefile.osx and some modification instructions that you can ritually burn |
| 08:10 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: if you really need a working crapple build i think mod6 had one |
| 08:11 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: but consider reconsidering |
| 08:11 |
nubbins` |
<--working crapple build |
| 08:11 |
nubbins` |
currently block182959 |
| 08:12 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: thousands of sex offenders << my understanding is that the lion's share of these are 'statutory' violators |
| 08:12 |
nubbins` |
anyway it's srsly two sed commands and a new makefile |
| 08:12 |
nubbins` |
to modify 0.5.3.1 for darwin/osx |
| 08:12 |
nubbins` |
probably bsd as well, i guess |
| 08:13 |
asciilifeform |
aha there we go. |
| 08:13 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps we can do, e.g., vms, next. |
| 08:13 |
asciilifeform |
or TOPS-10 |
| 08:13 |
nubbins` |
(example: sed 's/MSG_NOSIGNAL/SO_NOSIGPIPE/' on two files is approx. half the work) |
| 08:13 |
nubbins` |
haha man, i had to use a VMS system on my first work term |
| 08:13 |
nubbins` |
i'm still not sure wtf that was |
| 08:14 |
asciilifeform |
the non-retarded sibling of unix |
| 08:14 |
nubbins` |
:D |
| 08:14 |
nubbins` |
it was always a case of "please check this before i hit enter" |
| 08:15 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` publish |
| 08:15 |
nubbins` |
will do later today |
| 08:15 |
asciilifeform |
i'm actually rather surprised that nobody's clamouring to reintroduce winblows build |
| 08:15 |
asciilifeform |
one would think somebody has a botnet deployment to consider |
| 08:15 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform speaks to the preferences of the room, i guess |
| 08:17 |
asciilifeform |
i zapped the win32 ifdefs on account of them cluttering up my reading material, and for no particular other reason |
| 08:17 |
asciilifeform |
(would have done the same for nintendo ifdefs if there had been any) |
| 08:18 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, the ifdef-iness of bitcoind speaks for the horrendous mega-ugly of cpp |
| 08:18 |
nubbins` |
^ ha |
| 08:18 |
asciilifeform |
which lacks even such an elementary thing as mix-ins |
| 08:18 |
asciilifeform |
Adlai ^ |
| 08:19 |
nubbins` |
<< had to sacrifice a few IFDEFS from makefile.osx |
| 08:19 |
asciilifeform |
(the one other fella here who might know what i speak of) |
| 08:19 |
nubbins` |
i'll warn that this is *not* a svelte makefile, more fat can almost certainly be trimmed. this is simply a "compiles, runs" thing |
| 08:19 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: any changes -not- in common with openbsd ? |
| 08:19 |
asciilifeform |
out of curiosity |
| 08:20 |
nubbins` |
sum total of changes: modify SSL_ARCH_TYPE to Darwin64-x86_64-cc |
| 08:20 |
nubbins` |
replace sha256sum with shasum -a 256 |
| 08:21 |
nubbins` |
replace MSG_NOSIGNAL flag with SO_NOSIGPIPE |
| 08:21 |
asciilifeform |
starting from item 3, is in bitcoind proper ? |
| 08:21 |
nubbins` |
yes, started from 0.5.3 base |
| 08:21 |
nubbins` |
irc.cpp and net.cpp |
| 08:22 |
asciilifeform |
was asking, whether any but the last item (signals) concerned bitcoind source itself |
| 08:22 |
nubbins` |
ah, right. no |
| 08:23 |
nubbins` |
the signals thing is the only actual code change |
| 08:23 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 08:24 |
nubbins` |
random forum quote: "In linux sockets (BSD 4.4 compliant) there something called MSG_NOSIGNAL" |
| 08:25 |
nubbins` |
so without having the ability to check, i'd advance that SO_NOSIGPIPE might be an osx-specific fix |
| 08:25 |
Adlai |
my pet theory of late is that satoshi intentionally built 0.1 on winblows as a red herring |
| 08:25 |
nubbins` |
oh and the 0.5.3 makefile.osx doesn't have *any* of the hardening stuff that makefile.unix does |
| 08:26 |
nubbins` |
so uh, there's that |
| 08:26 |
nubbins` |
but again. PoC here. |
| 08:26 |
nubbins` |
it compiles. |
| 08:26 |
nubbins` |
was able to find equivalents for most, but not all, of the hardening compile options |
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| 08:43 |
jurov |
http://bturn.com/10286/soviet-erotic-alphabet :B mircea_popescu asciilifeform |
| 08:43 |
assbot |
Database Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpCxgG ) |
| 08:45 |
jurov |
лoл |
| 08:47 |
mircea_popescu |
notbad.jpg |
| 08:48 |
nubbins` |
ahhh... hot coffee, cool code, and les deux rondes |
| 08:48 |
nubbins` |
notbad.tuesday |
| 08:49 |
jurov |
nubbins`: you can use these as illuminations for alf's book |
| 08:49 |
asciilifeform |
'в советском союзе секса нету!' (TM) |
| 08:49 |
nubbins` |
that's one way to fight illiteracy |
| 08:50 |
nubbins` |
lel @ drawing for Ʒ |
| 08:51 |
nubbins` |
is that /pan/ about to poke someone? |
| 08:51 |
nubbins` |
nm, that's not a flute |
| 08:52 |
nubbins` |
http://bturn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Soviet-sex-12.jpg lel "one one of us has a car, baby" |
| 08:52 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IpEMk5 ) |
| 08:52 |
nubbins` |
*only one |
| 08:53 |
nubbins` |
mega-lel @ top 4 comments |
| 08:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00022418 = 8.0593 BTC [-] {2} |
| 09:04 |
nubbins` |
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2015/03/23/voices/spare-thought-western-men-trapped-japan/#.VRFfxzTF-kB |
| 09:04 |
assbot |
Spare a thought for the Western men trapped in Japan | The Japan Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpIgTz ) |
| 09:04 |
nubbins` |
tldr "i thought setting down roots in a foreign country where i'm a visible minority who doesn't understand the language or culture would be EASY but it's HARD" |
| 09:05 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: there was an entire newsgroup for these folks (and 'candidates') once - soc.culture.japan |
| 09:06 |
asciilifeform |
i used to read it. |
| 09:06 |
nubbins` |
"dave's ESL cafe" full of similar |
| 09:06 |
nubbins` |
with more of a lean towards korea |
| 09:06 |
asciilifeform |
the 'pathology' was that these people imagined they wanted to move to japan, but what they -actually- wanted was: -to have always lived there- |
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| 09:06 |
asciilifeform |
and that wasn't on the menu. |
| 09:07 |
nubbins` |
i, on the other hand, thought setting down roots in above would be HARD but it was only MODERATELY DIFFICULT AND SOMETIMES FRUSTRATING |
| 09:07 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform +1000 |
| 09:07 |
nubbins` |
they wanted the trappings of japanese without being japanese :D |
| 09:07 |
asciilifeform |
no |
| 09:07 |
asciilifeform |
the more serious ones wanted to 'be japanese' |
| 09:07 |
asciilifeform |
but this doesn't work unless, well, you are |
| 09:08 |
nubbins` |
oh hmm, the manga fans and neckbeards who say "that's so kawaii" |
| 09:08 |
nubbins` |
a lot of them don't make it to japan |
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| 09:08 |
asciilifeform |
the only reason why jp is still interesting to anybody is precisely that these folks -can't- get in their wot |
| 09:08 |
nubbins` |
the ones that do, i truly pity |
| 09:08 |
nubbins` |
because they quickly alienate themselves from the locals as well as the other foreigners |
| 09:09 |
Adlai |
especially that one guy |
| 09:09 |
asciilifeform |
the foreigners who are in jp for the long haul, are typically on serious business and live among their own kind. |
| 09:09 |
nubbins` |
the one with the blond ponytail and a dragon painted on his jeans in the subway? yeah, that guy |
| 09:09 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform +1 |
| 09:09 |
Adlai |
no, the one with the frapuccino |
| 09:10 |
Adlai |
although it's a little hard to pity him, given the nonzero chance that he also has a few coins |
| 09:10 |
asciilifeform |
in other news: http://imgur.com/YqbQh33,VN8dqBv,xJ6WGhl,nTPgWYW,WX6hpiT#4 |
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| 09:10 |
assbot |
Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcFOR9 ) |
| 09:10 |
nubbins` |
there's a term in korea for young people who live poor at home so they can buy frappucinos in public |
| 09:10 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu ^ |
| 09:10 |
nubbins` |
Adlai disposable income in .jp might not be as much as you think |
| 09:10 |
asciilifeform |
reworked units appear to pass basic test |
| 09:11 |
nubbins` |
dat smt |
| 09:11 |
asciilifeform |
fifth photo shows replaced cap |
| 09:11 |
nubbins` |
by hand? |
| 09:11 |
asciilifeform |
presumably |
| 09:11 |
asciilifeform |
they did it, not me |
| 09:11 |
nubbins` |
steady as she goes! |
| 09:11 |
nubbins` |
ah |
| 09:11 |
asciilifeform |
probably with 'hot tweezer' |
| 09:11 |
asciilifeform |
(tool used for such occasions) |
| 09:12 |
Adlai |
this seems like a fairly ideal domain for another one of those robotics startups |
| 09:12 |
asciilifeform |
Adlai: what is |
| 09:12 |
Adlai |
testing individual components to confirm that they meet spec, soldering them onto the pcb |
| 09:13 |
nubbins` |
speaking of soldering tools, anyone ever used one of those "cold heat" (resistance based) soldering tools? |
| 09:13 |
asciilifeform |
Adlai: actually, pick'n'place machines build in the '80s did this as routine matter |
| 09:13 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: aha |
| 09:13 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: pretty worthless, imho |
| 09:13 |
nubbins` |
suspected as much |
| 09:13 |
* |
Adlai prefers the smell of lead in the head |
| 09:13 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: but -looks- impressive, yes |
| 09:13 |
* |
nubbins` is clumsy |
| 09:14 |
asciilifeform |
sorta like a spot welder |
| 09:14 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 09:14 |
nubbins` |
good luck tinning the tip of it ;p |
| 09:14 |
asciilifeform |
(for those innocent of the thing - it was simply a box with battery, and tipped with a small carboniferous fork. stick the fork on solder ball, it melts...) |
| 09:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00021903 = 7.6332 BTC [-] {3} |
| 09:15 |
Adlai |
one of my first ever mind=blown moments was seeing a solder removal wick |
| 09:15 |
asciilifeform |
Adlai: anyway, what i was saying was that it was once not uncommon for components to be measured before placement. but guess what, in modern world this is 'unnecessary' we're told. |
| 09:15 |
nubbins` |
Adlai heh |
| 09:16 |
asciilifeform |
solder wick << aha, it behaves just like any other liquid. |
| 09:16 |
nubbins` |
was your second moment putting a wilted celery stalk in a glass of water? :D |
| 09:16 |
danielpbarron |
height=295140 vs height=215904 |
| 09:16 |
nubbins` |
today i learned that the cost of a variable dc power supply is much less than i'd imagined |
| 09:16 |
nubbins` |
me rummages for credit card |
| 09:17 |
nubbins` |
^ + / |
| 09:17 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: mine was fiddybux or so |
| 09:17 |
nubbins` |
nod, clean used ones on ebay for about the same |
| 09:17 |
asciilifeform |
(appears in one of the photos linked earlier, displaying supply voltage and current consumption of rng) |
| 09:17 |
asciilifeform |
yeah it was used |
| 09:17 |
danielpbarron |
!up Bagels7 |
| 09:17 |
nubbins` |
been wanting one ever since EE labs in uni |
| 09:18 |
asciilifeform |
had to be resoldered for american mains (move to center tap of transformer) as it was brit-made |
| 09:18 |
nubbins` |
somehow never bothered to even /price/ them |
| 09:18 |
asciilifeform |
it is very difficult to do anything seriously electronic without one |
| 09:19 |
asciilifeform |
avoid the chinese ones, they not only have fans (yes) but plenty of ripple in the dc |
| 09:19 |
asciilifeform |
(at any rate, if buying chinese, do it somewhere you can return if necessary and measure the ripple) |
| 09:19 |
nubbins` |
i generally avoid chinese-made anything |
| 09:20 |
nubbins` |
phun phact, you can get a flash dryer for curing plastisol inks for $800 (american-made) or $300 (chinese-made) |
| 09:21 |
nubbins` |
the $800 one has a massive network of tiny coils to evenly heat the shirt |
| 09:21 |
asciilifeform |
what size/shape is the heat bed ? |
| 09:21 |
nubbins` |
the $300 one has... a domestic oven element. http://imgur.com/KJqDivg |
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| 09:21 |
assbot |
Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcJvX9 ) |
| 09:21 |
nubbins` |
various sizes, ours is 16x16". pizza box profile |
| 09:22 |
nubbins` |
the really nice ones ($3k+) use quartz tubes |
| 09:22 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: you know, the oven heater would work fine if you had a thermal buffer (think 'pizza stone') between it and the payload |
| 09:22 |
asciilifeform |
it is how i reflow boards on a hob |
| 09:22 |
nubbins` |
that's what the mesh screen is attempting/failing to do |
| 09:22 |
asciilifeform |
the mesh screen is not a buffer ! |
| 09:22 |
nubbins` |
nope. :D |
| 09:22 |
asciilifeform |
no thermal mass to speak of, in it |
| 09:22 |
nubbins` |
but there nonetheless, to give the appearance |
| 09:22 |
asciilifeform |
just pointing out that it isn't even trying |
| 09:23 |
asciilifeform |
whereas the 'network of tiny coils' is likewise unnecessary |
| 09:23 |
nubbins` |
http://images.dharmatrading.com/images/eng/products/image/flash18-1-090218113336.jpg |
| 09:23 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GcK9UC ) |
| 09:23 |
asciilifeform |
scylla and charybdis of chinesecrud and americangoldentoilet ! |
| 09:23 |
nubbins` |
^ chinese unit from afar |
| 09:24 |
nubbins` |
thermal buffer = massively long heat-up times, additional weight |
| 09:25 |
nubbins` |
now here's a funny thing: supposing that flash was made not-in-china. now it's $800. to add a dwell timer, a servo motor, and a foot pedal: extra $800. |
| 09:25 |
asciilifeform |
the 'correct' solution is probably ir lamp. |
| 09:25 |
nubbins` |
http://www.silkscreeningsupplies.com/files/799934/uploaded/FLASHAMATIC.jpg |
| 09:26 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IpOgf6 ) |
| 09:26 |
asciilifeform |
fast heat, fast cool |
| 09:26 |
asciilifeform |
and 100% even |
| 09:26 |
nubbins` |
nod. i have a link here. |
| 09:26 |
nubbins` |
competition uses IR flash |
| 09:26 |
nubbins` |
http://img35.olx.ua/images_slandocomua/181436811_1_644x461_ik-lampy-r7s-sushka-red-chili-mr-belaya-tserkov.jpg |
| 09:26 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IpOvXy ) |
| 09:27 |
nubbins` |
http://www.mrprint.com/images/news/red_chili_1418web.jpg |
| 09:27 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IpOAKO ) |
| 09:27 |
nubbins` |
with optional proximity sensor! |
| 09:27 |
nubbins` |
in a perfect world i'd buy one of those |
| 09:28 |
nubbins` |
proximity sensor = turn off brain when printing |
| 09:28 |
nubbins` |
no sensor/no pedal: 10-second timer running in your head at all times |
| 09:28 |
asciilifeform |
in other news, lee kuan yew is dead |
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| 09:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00022344 = 5.6083 BTC [+] |
| 09:29 |
nubbins` |
underside of our flash: http://www.digitsmith.com/attachments/18238d1340119986-black-body-flash-cure-panel-bottom1small.jpg |
| 09:29 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GcLZ7R ) |
| 09:29 |
asciilifeform |
greatest wisdom of this ruler was, iirc, 'when you come to power, begin by putting three of your closest friends in jail. you already know -what for-, and they also know -what for.-' |
| 09:30 |
nubbins` |
ha |
| 09:30 |
nubbins` |
wisdom indeed |
| 09:30 |
asciilifeform |
srsly |
| 09:30 |
nubbins` |
incidentally, the conveyor oven used for final cure has these same black-body panels inside |
| 09:31 |
* |
nubbins` had to play electrician for a day when all this equipment showed up |
| 09:31 |
* |
nubbins` will have to play electrician again in a month's time when we upgrade to 240v flash unit |
| 09:33 |
asciilifeform |
in other news, |
| 09:33 |
nubbins` |
nerding out on equipment is phun |
| 09:33 |
asciilifeform |
'They are looking for the people who are in this room right now: you will be the target. Not because you are a terrorist, not because you are suspected of any criminal wrongdoing, but because you have access to systems, you have access to infrastructure, you have access to the private records, people's private lives. These are the things that they want.' |
| 09:33 |
asciilifeform |
(mr s, naturally, http://www.zdnet.com/article/snowden-it-workers-are-now-the-target-of-spies ) |
| 09:33 |
assbot |
Snowden: IT workers are now the target of spies | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcN27J ) |
| 09:33 |
nubbins` |
my face when i found unfiltered blacklight bulbs that peak at the *exact* wavelength my emulsion is most sensitive to |
| 09:41 |
asciilifeform |
'No wonder foreign husbands often complain about Japanese women suddenly transforming from sweet and cute girlfriends into shufu professional housewives emotionally and physically distant from their husbands and fully devoted to their children and home.' << dependopotamus (TM) ! |
| 09:44 |
nubbins` |
:D |
| 09:45 |
nubbins` |
put another way: those who are unable to judge the character/nature of others are more likely to wish for escape, and their disability follows them to their new life, where they make the same sort of mistakes they'd make at home |
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| 09:45 |
nubbins` |
"nobody understands me at home" |
| 09:45 |
nubbins` |
no, you don't understand anybody, period. moving to jp will not fix this. |
| 09:46 |
nubbins` |
if anything, exacerbate |
| 09:47 |
nubbins` |
oh hey |
| 09:47 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/young-girl-struck-by-school-bus-in-mary-queen-of-the-world-parking-lot-1.3006801 |
| 09:47 |
assbot |
Young girl struck by school bus in Mary Queen of the World parking lot - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcRbZq ) |
| 09:47 |
nubbins` |
my alma mater |
| 09:47 |
nubbins` |
phun phact, when i was five years old, i missed getting run over by a taxi in this same parking lot by about 6 inches |
| 09:48 |
nubbins` |
that was when i learned you don't run on parking lots when they're covered in gravel |
| 09:49 |
asciilifeform |
'no, you don't understand anybody, period. moving to jp will not fix this' << what kind of folks are you thinking of ? |
| 09:49 |
asciilifeform |
(who 'don't understand anybody') |
| 09:49 |
nubbins` |
i'm thinking of roughly half the foreigners i met while teaching overseas |
| 09:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00021607 = 8.2647 BTC [-] {2} |
| 09:50 |
nubbins` |
there's about a 50/50 split between "young people who want to see the world, travel, pay off debt" and "weirdos escaping to start over" |
| 09:52 |
nubbins` |
it's much, much easier to cover up idiosyncrasies if there's a language and culture barrier in the way |
| 09:52 |
nubbins` |
update re: sealskin: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/i-m-shocked-corner-brook-woman-fined-250-for-sealskin-purse-1.3006358 |
| 09:52 |
assbot |
'I'm shocked': Corner Brook woman fined $250 for sealskin purse - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcSQ18 ) |
| 09:53 |
nubbins` |
"My major concern at the time, because I travel to the states every now and then, is there going to be a red flag when they scan my passport? Is something going to show that I'm bringing in endangered whatever?" <<< yes, with 100% certainty. |
| 09:53 |
* |
nubbins` gets the VIP treatment every time due to an incident involving some undeclared goods |
| 09:54 |
nubbins` |
"She doesn't expect to ever see her bag again, but has received multiple offers from people who want to replace her purse." WHAT |
| 09:55 |
nubbins` |
this woman has enough disposable income that NOT ONLY does she own a sealskin fucking purse, but she regularly travels internationally to SHOP |
| 09:55 |
nubbins` |
and people are offering to buy her a new purse. |
| 09:55 |
nubbins` |
because newfy. |
| 09:56 |
asciilifeform |
reminds me of how when clinton was half-heartedly prosecuting microshit for antitrust violations, some 'think tank' (cato? i forget) had a 'microsoft defense fund' that the public was invited to contribute to ! |
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| 09:57 |
asciilifeform |
or how a firm i once worked for, that shall remain nameless, invited the public to contribute spare change to one of its (congressionally-funded!) wunderwaffen projects that will 'help save our boys in iraq' |
| 09:57 |
asciilifeform |
(last i checked, a few yrs ago, the donation button was still there!) |
| 09:58 |
nubbins` |
the gall, hey? |
| 09:58 |
asciilifeform |
and the obligatory orwell observation, |
| 09:58 |
asciilifeform |
'Until recently the characteristic adventure stories of the English-speaking peoples have been stories in which the hero fights against odds. This is true all the way from Robin Hood to Pop-eye the Sailor. Perhaps the basic myth of the Western world is Jack the Giant-killer, but to be brought up to date this should be renamed Jack the Dwarf-killer, and there already exists a considerable literature which teaches, either overtl |
| 09:58 |
asciilifeform |
y or implicitly, that one should side with the big man against the little man. Most of what is now written about foreign policy is simply an embroidery on this theme...' |
| 10:01 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bill-c-51-hearings-first-nations-activists-toronto-police-to-testify-1.3006731 |
| 10:01 |
assbot |
Bill C-51 hearings: First Nations activists, Toronto police to testify - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPCSIn ) |
| 10:01 |
nubbins` |
first nations activists are generally pretty hardass |
| 10:01 |
nubbins` |
the protest crowd could learn some lessons from em |
| 10:02 |
nubbins` |
altho TBF "get the fuck off our land" doesn't work if you're a kid in downtown montreal |
| 10:06 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/the-astounding-rise-of-china-s-currency-don-pittis-1.3005562 |
| 10:06 |
assbot |
The astounding rise of China's currency: Don Pittis - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcX7lg ) |
| 10:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00022192 = 7.9891 BTC [+] {2} |
| 10:09 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: it is being felt. i distinctly recall watching some trashy american adventure film a year or two ago, involving time travel to the future, and the hero had a treasure chest under his floorboards with thick stacks of yuan |
| 10:10 |
nubbins` |
i sorta feel like getting on the yuan train |
| 10:10 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: problem is, that train doesn't go anywhere you would want to be. |
| 10:10 |
nubbins` |
shit, there was a Crichton book (sphere?) where the future coca-cola cans were all in chinese |
| 10:11 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform what's my other choice, CAD? :D |
| 10:11 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: unlike, apparently, most other beggars, i won't give investment advice. |
| 10:11 |
nubbins` |
mark of a wise man |
| 10:11 |
asciilifeform |
it isn't a problem that i have |
| 10:12 |
asciilifeform |
and hence i cannot suggest solutions to it |
| 10:12 |
asciilifeform |
having no experience or opportunity to practice whatsoever. |
| 10:13 |
asciilifeform |
(i don't knowingly participate in chumpatrons and hence haven't and won't be buying fiat stocks at 10-20bux/trade) |
| 10:14 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 10:15 |
nubbins` |
i'm not saying i'll remortgage the house or anything |
| 10:15 |
nubbins` |
but it'd be fun to add a few k's worth of yuan to the basket |
| 10:16 |
asciilifeform |
if can afford to lose in the casino - why not |
| 10:18 |
nubbins` |
a small amount of "can afford to lose, why not try btc" in 2012 provides the opportunity for "can afford to lose, why not try ___" in 2015 |
| 10:19 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/francis-boucher-son-of-hells-angels-leader-accidentally-released-from-jail-1.3006335 |
| 10:19 |
assbot |
Francis Boucher, son of Hells Angels leader, accidentally released from jail - Montreal - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd1Ov6 ) |
| 10:19 |
nubbins` |
hahahaha. "accidentally". |
| 10:20 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: i am waiting to hear of afghanistan-style jailbreaks in usa |
| 10:20 |
asciilifeform |
the kind involving armoured trucks, rockets, demolition charges |
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| 10:20 |
nubbins` |
i.e. "hundreds escape"? |
| 10:21 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 10:21 |
asciilifeform |
and one or two are removed by the 'rescuers' for proper (i.e. heads-off) justice |
| 10:21 |
nubbins` |
restorative justice, this 8) |
| 10:21 |
nubbins` |
i.e. let's restore your meat to its natural state |
| 10:22 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/03/24/world/crime-legal-world/police-unable-confirm-gang-rape-university-virginia/#.VRFybHW9_ft << this was brought up in an older thread iirc |
| 10:22 |
assbot |
Police unable to confirm gang rape at University of Virginia | The Japan Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPHIVV ) |
| 10:22 |
asciilifeform |
rounds off with some lulz, |
| 10:22 |
asciilifeform |
'Longo said the case is suspended, not closed. He said the fact that investigators could not find evidence doesnt mean that something terrible didnt happen to Jackie.' |
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| 10:25 |
nubbins` |
...which is generally true, but probably not in this case. |
| 10:25 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/ksBVtHB.png |
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| 10:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GPIthT ) |
| 10:26 |
nubbins` |
note how the emphasis is on the feels ^ |
| 10:26 |
nubbins` |
not be as valuable as you could be |
| 10:26 |
nubbins` |
just feel it |
| 10:26 |
asciilifeform |
iirc the case in that article ended with police finding no one on the planet remotely matching the description of the perpetrator |
| 10:26 |
nubbins` |
yeah |
| 10:26 |
nubbins` |
name, description... |
| 10:27 |
nubbins` |
"turns out the complainant didn't even have any orifices" |
| 10:27 |
nubbins` |
what was it, rolling stone or smth that broke the story? |
| 10:27 |
asciilifeform |
the former i think |
| 10:28 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/iraq-mission-stephen-harper-recommits-to-coalition-against-isis-1.3006469 |
| 10:28 |
assbot |
Iraq mission: Stephen Harper recommits to coalition against ISIS - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd4gSy ) |
| 10:29 |
nubbins` |
if there's one thing that will stabilise the region, it's a year of bombings |
| 10:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00021826 = 1.8116 BTC [-] |
| 10:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/communication-security-establishment-s-cyberwarfare-toolbox-revealed-1.3002978 << l0l, canadian snowden heap |
| 10:30 |
assbot |
Communication Security Establishment's cyberwarfare toolbox revealed - Canada - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPJwyl ) |
| 10:31 |
nubbins` |
pretty light on content, that article |
| 10:31 |
nubbins` |
slideshow on bottom ("CSE's toolbox") is 100% generalities |
| 10:32 |
asciilifeform |
mega-snore |
| 10:32 |
nubbins` |
"toolbox" = general trade practices |
| 10:32 |
asciilifeform |
reads like disinfo |
| 10:33 |
asciilifeform |
in the sense that if you kidnapped a generic american undergrad, chained him in a cellar, and didn't let him out until he reads the snowden dumps and craps out a deck of 'plausible' canadian slides, the result is likely to be something like the above. |
| 10:34 |
asciilifeform |
then again, these people have long ago crossed the parody horizon. |
| 10:34 |
nubbins` |
^ |
| 10:34 |
asciilifeform |
at least the ones from whom there are leaks. |
| 10:34 |
asciilifeform |
there has yet to be ONE SINGLE cryptologist leak. |
| 10:35 |
asciilifeform |
from anywhere in the usg empire. |
| 10:35 |
mats |
they know better. |
| 10:35 |
nubbins` |
guess they really do screen candidates for some fields, hey? |
| 10:36 |
nubbins` |
or, put another way, what mats said |
| 10:36 |
asciilifeform |
picture you're taking a hill |
| 10:36 |
asciilifeform |
there is a machine gun nest on the hill |
| 10:36 |
asciilifeform |
the gun is silent. |
| 10:36 |
asciilifeform |
is it because gunner is dead? |
| 10:36 |
asciilifeform |
or is he waiting for you to come closer? |
| 10:38 |
mats |
living a life of secrecy is hard as it is |
| 10:38 |
asciilifeform |
now, afaik all available evidence suggests that american cryptological establishment is occupied mainly with crafting monstrosities like dual_ec_drbg - rather than actually breaking 'real' crypto |
| 10:38 |
asciilifeform |
but the available evidence is very, very thin. |
| 10:39 |
nubbins` |
i think they'd be remiss if they weren't working on both. |
| 10:39 |
asciilifeform |
!s rsa pill |
| 10:39 |
assbot |
6 results for 'rsa pill' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rsa+pill |
| 10:39 |
asciilifeform |
^ pointing n00bs to logs |
| 10:40 |
mats |
i'm not convinced dual_ec_drbg is rigged |
| 10:40 |
asciilifeform |
mats: see the old thread re: malice and incompetence |
| 10:41 |
asciilifeform |
mats: next we know, you'll suggest that hearbleed was a traditional bug ? |
| 10:41 |
mats |
for the record, there is still absolutely zero solid evidence that Dual_EC_DRBG is backdoored. the Snowden leaks never mention it by name, never talk about backdooring a CSPRNG, and indeed never talk about backdooring anything. the extent of what they mention is that NSA wanted to 'influence standards' |
| 10:41 |
asciilifeform |
mats: nope |
| 10:41 |
asciilifeform |
mats: several of the documents (in particular, one classification-level guide) mention subversion of commercial products specifically. |
| 10:41 |
nubbins` |
"Protects exploitation of specific communications associated with ... money laundering ... and targets of interest" |
| 10:41 |
mats |
ive personally confirmed with schneier - in person - and have second-hand confirmations by others who have interacted with recipients of leaks |
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| 10:41 |
nubbins` |
codeword STRESSFUL |
| 10:41 |
asciilifeform |
(-which products- was redacted by the greenwald gang) |
| 10:42 |
asciilifeform |
mats: the word of schneier is worth less than zero here. |
| 10:42 |
nubbins` |
didn't schneier advocate windows as an acceptable PGP machine? |
| 10:42 |
asciilifeform |
he is a known stooge |
| 10:42 |
mats |
the 2006 analysis and subsequent cryptanalytic work stand on their own when it comes to making the case for suspicion of a backdoor, but lets stay within the realm of reason here |
| 10:42 |
nubbins` |
as long as you installed all yr updates?!?! |
| 10:43 |
asciilifeform |
mats: let me rephrase. i advocate that it is -wrong- to treat any case like dual_ec as anything other than sabotage |
| 10:43 |
nubbins` |
mats it's worth mentioning that most of what snowden revealed was not considered "within the realm of reason" by many, before the fact |
| 10:43 |
asciilifeform |
because 'i accidentally the bug' can never be proven |
| 10:43 |
nubbins` |
^ |
| 10:45 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846621 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846620 |
| 10:45 |
assbot |
Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...' |
| 10:45 |
assbot |
Logged on 27-09-2014 02:35:49; asciilifeform: if you create a 'heartbleed' - you are a вредитель. and whether you did it intentionally, given the impossibility of proof - does not matter. |
| 10:45 |
nubbins` |
PIEDMONT: "Provides protection to NSA's bottom line capabilities to exploit SIGINT targets by attacking the hard mathematical problems underlying public key cryptography as well as any future technologies as may be developed" |
| 10:46 |
mats |
i hate discussing these things with you people |
| 10:46 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: that plus another directorate name is pretty much all we publicly have on the 'directorate of breaking pgp' |
| 10:46 |
nubbins` |
PAWLEYS, PENDLETON |
| 10:46 |
asciilifeform |
mats: very curious now - why ? |
| 10:46 |
mats |
its always bogeymen, can't have serious discussion |
| 10:46 |
asciilifeform |
mats: a serious discussion would involve what? |
| 10:46 |
nubbins` |
OPALESCE sounds like keyboard rf sniffing |
| 10:46 |
asciilifeform |
the mathematics, disembodied ? |
| 10:46 |
asciilifeform |
i am quite able to discuss the mathematics |
| 10:46 |
asciilifeform |
but it did not come from god - it came from people |
| 10:46 |
asciilifeform |
who want their faces to stay hidden |
| 10:47 |
asciilifeform |
one -must- ask - why |
| 10:47 |
nubbins` |
mats i understand your viewpoint but plz to understand that paranoia has proved to be justified time and again |
| 10:47 |
nubbins` |
while one may feel silly taking the paranoid stance as the default.... we're just evaluating the evidence as presented |
| 10:47 |
asciilifeform |
nearly everything i and fellow paranoiac crackpots have ever spoken about crypto has proven to be abundantly justified. |
| 10:47 |
nubbins` |
^ |
| 10:47 |
asciilifeform |
justification coming out of our ears, arses |
| 10:48 |
asciilifeform |
enough for anyone, i'd think, at this point |
| 10:48 |
nubbins` |
i think the overwhelming amount of justification triggers a "this CAN'T be true" response in a lot of people |
| 10:49 |
asciilifeform |
once you amputate your vestigial 'this can't be true' organ, you are left with only your understanding of the physical world to go on |
| 10:49 |
asciilifeform |
unfortunately, for most of the folks who do this, it ends in a belief in unidentified flying proctologists |
| 10:49 |
nubbins` |
heh. |
| 10:49 |
nubbins` |
the gasenwagen, it can't be true. |
| 10:49 |
asciilifeform |
but if you have the upbringing of a thinking (that is, polymathic) person - you can get somewhere. |
| 10:50 |
nubbins` |
the usa invading a foreign country on 100% false pretenses, it can't be true |
| 10:51 |
mats |
look, i'm putting my skepticism on the record. if there was evidence, it'd look like 'Tor Stinks' or the slides from Der Spiegel's work on the Belgacom pwnage. i'm not saying that Dual_EC_DRBG doesn't have obvious flaws or that anyone should continue using it, but my skepticism regarding it being an intentional backdoor remains |
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| 10:51 |
nubbins` |
all american internet traffic flowing through an NSA closet in an at&t building -- it can't be true |
| 10:51 |
asciilifeform |
mats: at the risk of repeating myself, i will phrase my position as a kind of maxim: 'it is necessary to behave as if hearbleed and dual_ec were crafted vulns, regardless of any apparent evidence to the contrary' |
| 10:51 |
mats |
the whole 'NSA is undermining all crypto standards!' meme is overplayed |
| 10:52 |
asciilifeform |
this is a fairly outlandish thing on the surface, and i will justify it with something like 'pascal's wager' |
| 10:52 |
nubbins` |
1% chance of it being an intentional backdoor is 1000x the proof you need to not use it |
| 10:53 |
asciilifeform |
thing is, there are not so many good opportunities for crafted vulns, and the usg folks know it. hence they try to cultivate an overall maggoty flavour in software culture at large |
| 10:53 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. poettering and his merry men |
| 10:53 |
asciilifeform |
in hopes that the maggots will hatch naturally |
| 10:53 |
asciilifeform |
this doesn't even require very much support |
| 10:53 |
asciilifeform |
just a strategic lack of support for anything which might poison the maggots. |
| 10:54 |
fluffypony |
I think it's very hard to tell the difference between mistake and malice. |
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| 10:54 |
fluffypony |
(in this instance) |
| 10:54 |
nubbins` |
fluffypony +1 |
| 10:54 |
asciilifeform |
so it is not necessary to -believe- that every single bug is deliberately crafted |
| 10:54 |
thestringpuller |
is there really a difference? |
| 10:54 |
asciilifeform |
but it is necessary to -behave- as if they were |
| 10:54 |
asciilifeform |
is this too subtle for people ? |
| 10:54 |
thestringpuller |
isn't there that saying, "Road to hell something something good intentions?" |
| 10:54 |
fluffypony |
thestringpuller: mistakes don't always stem from incompetence |
| 10:55 |
nubbins` |
sometimes it's carelessness! |
| 10:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00021826 = 3.9832 BTC [-] {2} |
| 10:55 |
thestringpuller |
aka apathy? |
| 10:55 |
fluffypony |
http://safecurves.cr.yp.to |
| 10:55 |
assbot |
SafeCurves:Introduction ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPPcs0 ) |
| 10:55 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform put another way: not everyone has syphilis, but you'd be remiss not to wrap it up when sexing a stranger |
| 10:55 |
fluffypony |
DJB believes secp256k1 is broken |
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| 10:55 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: very much the wrong analogy |
| 10:56 |
asciilifeform |
because it had nothing to do with probabilities |
| 10:56 |
asciilifeform |
the original idea, that is |
| 10:56 |
nubbins` |
hm, true |
| 10:56 |
asciilifeform |
it has to do with the impossibility of knowing intent |
| 10:56 |
nubbins` |
maybe intent is to give you the clap |
| 10:56 |
asciilifeform |
all you have to go on, when answering the question 'usg stooge or not' is - 'by their fruits you will know them' |
| 10:57 |
asciilifeform |
there is literally nothing else (other than a certain measure of 'guilt by association') |
| 10:57 |
asciilifeform |
and aside from stooges and people, there also exist useful idiots |
| 10:57 |
nubbins` |
^ |
| 10:58 |
asciilifeform |
which is to say, folks who are acting in the interests of usg but do not consciously know it |
| 10:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu uses word 'asset' for both, but they are distinct animals |
| 10:58 |
asciilifeform |
every intelligence service on the planet has own jargon word for these |
| 11:01 |
asciilifeform |
yes, some crypto designers make mistake, they are good people, sure, whatever. i will borrow from slavoj iek and say then 'we put them to a good wall, shoot them with a good bullet from a good gun, and bury them in with a good shove in the good earth' - since sure, they are good people. |
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| 11:02 |
asciilifeform |
*shovel |
| 11:02 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 11:02 |
asciilifeform |
for the bad people - who deliberately sabotaged algo - bad wall, bad bullet, ..., bad earth |
| 11:02 |
nubbins` |
gun was bad so we had to use the bayonets |
| 11:03 |
asciilifeform |
bayonets so bad - spoons. |
| 11:03 |
asciilifeform |
but overall picture should be clear at this point. |
| 11:03 |
nubbins` |
the shovel was bad but wolves are always hungry |
| 11:03 |
fluffypony |
wait so we should have no crypto designers? |
| 11:03 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony did not get it |
| 11:03 |
asciilifeform |
we presently have many sappers |
| 11:03 |
asciilifeform |
how many mistakes does a sapper make ? |
| 11:03 |
nubbins` |
the crypto designer errs but once |
| 11:03 |
fluffypony |
and then we shoot him |
| 11:03 |
asciilifeform |
or at least fire him |
| 11:04 |
* |
fluffypony gets his shotgun and his pitchfork |
| 11:04 |
asciilifeform |
let him earn a living in some other way |
| 11:04 |
fluffypony |
when do we start burning the jews? |
| 11:04 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony: when they all take up diddled crypto ? |
| 11:04 |
fluffypony |
ok Monday at 3, then |
| 11:04 |
fluffypony |
works for me |
| 11:04 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
| 11:04 |
nubbins` |
that's six days from now! |
| 11:04 |
asciilifeform |
see, everybody's got these mental patterns, in the ru thinking sphere it is called 'tolerasty' |
| 11:04 |
fluffypony |
on on the seventh day we'll rest, nubbins` |
| 11:05 |
nubbins` |
ok |
| 11:05 |
asciilifeform |
one has to work against one's upbringing, typically, to arrive at the message i was trying to pass here. |
| 11:05 |
nubbins` |
;;ud tolerasty |
| 11:05 |
asciilifeform |
that from -tolerasty- comes poettering & crew. |
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| 11:05 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tolerast | Aug 6, 2012 ... tolerast. a mix of `tolerant` and `pederast`, hyper tolerant person, who will sacrifice all of his beliefs just to avoid being thought of as `intollerant`. |
| 11:05 |
* |
nubbins` cackles, claps |
| 11:05 |
asciilifeform |
^ l0l! in englisch at last |
| 11:06 |
nubbins` |
example from link: "When a black guy works at Starbucks and one hesitates to ask him for `black coffee" |
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| 11:06 |
mats |
fun fact: the tor browser bundle uses the Windows heap instead of jemalloc |
| 11:07 |
nubbins` |
poor example |
| 11:07 |
asciilifeform |
mats: mega-l0l! |
| 11:07 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i did not know this. |
| 11:07 |
nubbins` |
(calling a black coffee a coffee without anything in it is sacrificing your beliefs?) |
| 11:07 |
mats |
it makes heap grooming more reliably supposedly |
| 11:07 |
asciilifeform |
aaaaha sure. |
| 11:07 |
mats |
but, you know, bugs |
| 11:07 |
nubbins` |
under your skin; everywhere |
| 11:08 |
nubbins` |
let me find a relevant quote from a recent communique i received |
| 11:08 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/89espBZ1 |
| 11:08 |
assbot |
DONT WORRY MASSIVE EDIT Sat across from a serious man. He’s sunken himself - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPSmvQ ) |
| 11:09 |
asciilifeform |
mats: let's put another example. if you are found holding a smoking pistol, with $famouspolitican in a bloody heap on the floor where he was not long ago giving a speech - do you suppose the judge would believe that you drew the pistol and pulled the trigger by accident, while reaching for another object in your pocket ? |
| 11:09 |
asciilifeform |
if not, why not? |
| 11:09 |
asciilifeform |
note the folks routinely shoot themselves and one another in not altogether dissimilar way |
| 11:10 |
asciilifeform |
in some situations, 'benefit of doubt' is not - cannot - be given. |
| 11:12 |
mats |
there is actual evidence of malfeasance by NSA on other counts, documented and sometimes committed to powerpoint glory |
| 11:12 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: reads like burroughs |
| 11:12 |
mats |
but i don't see that this is the case here. |
| 11:13 |
nubbins` |
burroughs no doubt had some similar shit going on upstairs |
| 11:13 |
nubbins` |
i have reams of this material |
| 11:13 |
asciilifeform |
mats: if you have philosophical objections to 'behave as if X even if possibly ~X is true' then try to come up with some other syllogism. but it -must- end in 'the people who gave us heartbleed and dual_ec DO NOT GET TO MAKE CRYPTO ANY MORE' |
| 11:13 |
mats |
show me the motherfucking evidence! you mean to tell me these bureaucrats decided not to commit anything to paper this go-around? |
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| 11:13 |
mats |
but did, all those other times? |
| 11:13 |
asciilifeform |
the bloody corpse is the evidence |
| 11:13 |
asciilifeform |
all the necessary evidence. |
| 11:14 |
asciilifeform |
if the paperwork is missing - it isn't like we have all the usg archives on display! |
| 11:14 |
asciilifeform |
hell, we don't even have 1% of the kgb archive. |
| 11:15 |
asciilifeform |
when ever man and woman who ever worked at nsa dies under torture and doesn't say anything about dual_ec - then i might believe 'mistake' |
| 11:15 |
asciilifeform |
but not before. |
| 11:15 |
asciilifeform |
and then i will question the loyalty and competence of the torturer. |
| 11:15 |
asciilifeform |
because how else. |
| 11:16 |
nubbins` |
("he wanted it done quick, not right") |
| 11:16 |
mats |
i guess you'll have to torture the interrogator. |
| 11:16 |
asciilifeform |
'headsman, behead youself' aha |
| 11:17 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/rhqsdb4 |
| 11:17 |
assbot |
This snake's defense mechanism is to become a treble clef - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPUzYa ) |
| 11:17 |
asciilifeform |
but in all seriousness, i was not arguing that 'the evidence exists somewhere damnit' (though i belive it) |
| 11:17 |
nubbins` |
lelelelel |
| 11:18 |
nubbins` |
"dude, just chill out, remember how much you like music?" |
| 11:18 |
asciilifeform |
but that 'the evidence cannot be had and we must operate without it' |
| 11:18 |
asciilifeform |
best as we can. |
| 11:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00021425 = 5.442 BTC [-] |
| 11:19 |
asciilifeform |
and that whatever else we conclude, the fella who wrote hearbleed doesn't get to say 'oops. i promise i won't do it again. now let me write some more critical code' |
| 11:21 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/6OsxazV.jpg |
| 11:21 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GPVhVj ) |
| 11:21 |
nubbins` |
^ packaged w/ mycelium entropy thingy |
| 11:22 |
nubbins` |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/304rt1/anyone_else_getting_tired_of_this_bullshit/ |
| 11:23 |
assbot |
Anyone else getting tired of this bullshit blatant downward price manipulation? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPVHLD ) |
| 11:23 |
nubbins` |
"anyone else getting tiredof having no control over our surroundings, or the world at large?" |
| 11:23 |
mike_c |
;;ticker |
| 11:23 |
gribble |
Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.02, Best ask: 246.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 246.01, 24 hour volume: 55703.96526026, 24 hour low: 241.39, 24 hour high: 268.99, 24 hour vwap: None |
| 11:23 |
nubbins` |
yes, reddit commentor. many others. |
| 11:23 |
mike_c |
i blame whaleclub |
| 11:24 |
nubbins` |
i blame the guy's teachers and parents |
| 11:24 |
fluffypony |
do you speak whaaaaale? |
| 11:24 |
* |
nubbins` burns another 10btc for show |
| 11:25 |
nubbins` |
too bad you can't light cigars with these things |
| 11:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9255 @ 0.00021425 = 1.9829 BTC [-] |
| 11:31 |
chetty |
<nubbins`> "anyone else getting tiredof having no control over our surroundings, or the world at large?"// no one ever controls the world at large :P get used to it |
| 11:34 |
nubbins` |
but we're tiiiiiiiiiired |
| 11:34 |
nubbins` |
of our inherent powerlessness |
| 11:35 |
nubbins` |
this place has done more to fundamentally change my thought processes than six years at university |
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| 11:37 |
ben_vulpes |
hear hear |
| 11:38 |
nubbins` |
block=184374 |
| 11:39 |
nubbins` |
this'll be what, about a week? |
| 11:39 |
ben_vulpes |
'tis a miserable march. |
| 11:39 |
ben_vulpes |
i've lost track of how many times i've done it. |
| 11:39 |
nubbins` |
for the good of the republic |
| 11:39 |
ben_vulpes |
aws, however, haas not. |
| 11:39 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 11:39 |
ben_vulpes |
blocks for the block god |
| 11:44 |
chetty |
<nubbins`> this place has done more to fundamentally change my thought processes than six years at university// it is what a uni should be |
| 11:50 |
Adlai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-03-2015#1061123 ↔ https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Chimerical-color-demo.svg |
| 11:50 |
assbot |
Logged on 20-03-2015 23:29:17; jurov: lol you insist on psychedelic and whatnot. i'm about normal brain function |
| 11:50 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ14du ) |
| 11:51 |
Adlai |
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color |
| 11:51 |
assbot |
Impossible color - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ15OM ) |
| 11:51 |
jurov |
so? |
| 11:52 |
thestringpuller |
chetty: what university did you go to?!? lol |
| 11:52 |
Adlai |
so nothing, just sharing an effect i wasn't familiar with before |
| 11:56 |
Adlai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-03-2015#1067856 << so when do we get op_ed25519verify |
| 11:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 14:55:51; fluffypony: DJB believes secp256k1 is broken |
| 11:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00020476 = 3.2045 BTC [-] |
| 12:00 |
nubbins` |
some of you may find this interesting, i found some pics from when i rebuilt my coffee roaster: http://imgur.com/WrXz3WY,CbtEo0O,uojejnr,A8KKjzG,yTGzvNA,Te8ddW5 |
| 12:00 |
assbot |
Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ2FA9 ) |
| 12:01 |
fluffypony |
lol Adlai |
| 12:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00019938 = 3.4293 BTC [-] {2} |
| 12:04 |
nubbins` |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color#/media/File:Impossible_Colors,_Blue_and_Yellow,_for_3dTV.png |
| 12:04 |
assbot |
Impossible color - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ3EQY ) |
| 12:05 |
asciilifeform |
oh and mats, forgot to ask: why have you forgotten about the massive (iirc, 10-20 mil) usg bribe to rsa? |
| 12:05 |
nubbins` |
^ adlai see you next week ;/ |
| 12:05 |
asciilifeform |
mats: and what do you suppose it was for, if not dual_ec ? |
| 12:05 |
* |
jurov is doing shit with lowlevel dbus interface.. and very first sample caused the introspection to timeout, how else |
| 12:05 |
Adlai |
nubbins`: my eyes aren't that far apart |
| 12:05 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/6OsxazV.jpg << the bozo actually pasted that into #b-a if you recall |
| 12:05 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ3TeM ) |
| 12:05 |
nubbins` |
gotta cross em duod |
| 12:06 |
nubbins` |
in fact, i do not! |
| 12:06 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: when i told him about sram behaviour below 0c |
| 12:06 |
Adlai |
much less stressful to shrink the image and uncross |
| 12:06 |
asciilifeform |
!s entropic |
| 12:06 |
assbot |
19 results for 'entropic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=entropic |
| 12:06 |
nubbins` |
rassah? |
| 12:07 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#757004 |
| 12:07 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-07-2014 20:23:09; Rassah: In our tests, it still had plenty of entropy at 0ºC, but it smoothly went down to zero entropy around -20º. Maybe we should put warning stickers on these things saying "Caution - Chaotic System. Do not use in low entropy environments above the Arctic or below the Antarctic circle, unless exposed to external sources of energy" :) |
| 12:07 |
asciilifeform |
^ see thread |
| 12:07 |
Adlai |
ahah '"Reddish green" redirects here. Reddish Green is also a place in Reddish, Stockport, in Greater Manchester in England.' |
| 12:07 |
nubbins` |
:D |
| 12:07 |
nubbins` |
dat #b-a fingerprint on device |
| 12:07 |
nubbins` |
Reddish Green! |
| 12:08 |
asciilifeform |
not that any rng will function especially well in the arctic, but that fella's insistence on baking a known-bad design was memorable. |
| 12:08 |
nubbins` |
nevermind the arctic |
| 12:08 |
nubbins` |
i'm at the 49th parallel, and i wouldn't be able to use one of these things outdoors in the winter. |
| 12:11 |
mats |
RSA upheld their end by backdooring the BSafe product |
| 12:11 |
asciilifeform |
i'll emphasize that it isn't a 'won't work in the cold' so much as 'entropy relying on sram effects degrades ungracefully' |
| 12:12 |
asciilifeform |
mats: we know this how |
| 12:12 |
mats |
that this happened at the same time as the push towards DUAL_EC as default looks incidental, not malicious |
| 12:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22527 @ 0.00019753 = 4.4498 BTC [-] {2} |
| 12:12 |
asciilifeform |
mats: and you concluded this based on what? the perpetrators' word ? |
| 12:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14052 @ 0.00019609 = 2.7555 BTC [-] |
| 12:14 |
mats |
same premise as before! no proof. |
| 12:16 |
nubbins` |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w2UxDdhZPk&feature=youtu.be |
| 12:16 |
assbot |
Fritz Learns to Catch Compilation #1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ5GAD ) |
| 12:16 |
nubbins` |
my sides |
| 12:17 |
nubbins` |
man, if my goddamn roommate leaves the front door unlatched one more time, he's gonna find his possessions in the street |
| 12:17 |
nubbins` |
i've asked him SEVEN FUCKING TIMES |
| 12:17 |
nubbins` |
"just check it. it only takes a second." |
| 12:18 |
nubbins` |
not sure how else to phrase it |
| 12:20 |
jurov |
get your own room? |
| 12:20 |
mats |
what i'm saying is that, as the evidence stands, i'm unable to take a firmer position on Dual_EC than the previously accepted consensus that the weakness being a backdoor is quite unlikely, and that Dual_EC should be shunned only because of the abundance of caution with regard to any issues that is endemic to the crypto field |
| 12:21 |
mats |
by being excessively paranoid, you deprive yourself of a lot of useful engineering |
| 12:22 |
mats |
the claim i'm most concerned about is that the weakness was engineered by NSA, and that, by having approved it, NIST was complicit, thus casting doubt on all other NIST standards |
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| 12:23 |
mats |
(not necessarily a claim made here -- but nonetheless) |
| 12:23 |
jurov |
what's the difference wrt NSA? |
| 12:23 |
nubbins` |
jurov i already phrased it that way :D |
| 12:23 |
nubbins` |
just running down the clock now |
| 12:23 |
nubbins` |
(just so we're clear, roommate in north america = "flatmate" in uk. we do not share rooms) |
| 12:24 |
nubbins` |
mats NIST was either complicit or oblivious. both share the same implications. |
| 12:24 |
nubbins` |
i.e. that all other NIST standards are cast under shadow |
| 12:25 |
nubbins` |
consider that "NIST approved it without knowing that it was backdoored" is probably the least desirable of the two |
| 12:27 |
mats |
this kind of innuendo with an utter lack of specifics divides reasonable people into two camps (maximally-paranoid, NIST is evil too, avoid all crypto standards vs. minimally-paranoid, no evidence for anything so we do nothing) |
| 12:27 |
mats |
leaving us with no real basis for actually figuring out the situation. |
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| 12:28 |
mats |
and re: BSafe, i'm not convinced RSA could be sold on destroying their reputation for packing peanuts. |
| 12:28 |
nubbins` |
you're implying we can figure out the situation |
| 12:29 |
nubbins` |
and i'm saying that whether NIST is complicit or incompetent doesn't matter |
| 12:29 |
mike_c |
what? i thought it was common knowledge rsa sold their soul. |
| 12:29 |
ben_vulpes |
see malice and incompetence. |
| 12:30 |
mats |
well shit. i guess we're all back to handcrafting our own crypto then huh. |
| 12:30 |
thestringpuller |
https://slack.com/ << people keep trying to reinvent IRC |
| 12:31 |
mike_c |
mats: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-usa-security-rsa-idUSBRE9BJ1C220131220 |
| 12:31 |
assbot |
Exclusive: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ8uh3 ) |
| 12:31 |
mike_c |
"RSA received $10 million in a deal that set the NSA formula as the preferred, or default, method for number generation in the BSafe software" |
| 12:34 |
pete_dushenski |
triplescoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/23/want-to-drive-for-uber-first-you-need-to-make-some-mistakes/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/24/the-meta-solution/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/24/another-day-another-fissure-in-the-internet-this-time-ebay/ |
| 12:34 |
assbot |
Want to drive for Uber ? First, you need to make some mistakes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ8Zrl ) |
| 12:34 |
assbot |
The meta solution ? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ8ZHN ) |
| 12:34 |
assbot |
Another day, another fissure in the Internet. This time : eBay. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ8ZYh ) |
| 12:35 |
nubbins` |
<+mats> well shit. i guess we're all back to handcrafting our own crypto then huh. <<< no, that's not what we're saying |
| 12:40 |
pete_dushenski |
!gettrust mats |
| 12:40 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user mats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/pete_dushenski/mats | http://w.b-a.link/user/mats |
| 12:43 |
pete_dushenski |
mats seems to be pushing his dual_ec point a bit. i'm... skeptical. |
| 12:46 |
pete_dushenski |
nubbins`, re: jamaica << there's a spectrum of behaviours within the 'poor service' realm |
| 12:47 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 12:47 |
pete_dushenski |
on one end is disinterest, a la paris or w/e, on the other end is entitlement |
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| 12:47 |
nubbins` |
why only two ends? it's a triangle |
| 12:47 |
pete_dushenski |
you could argue that they both grate on different people in different ways, sure, but for me it's the latter that annoys |
| 12:48 |
nubbins` |
what you see as entitlement is a desire to not waste time |
| 12:48 |
pete_dushenski |
triangle with 'good service' at the third point ? |
| 12:48 |
nubbins` |
no, realistic expectations |
| 12:48 |
pete_dushenski |
what fucking 'wasted time' could jamaicans possibly have ? |
| 12:49 |
nubbins` |
trying to lick your asshole for a buck? |
| 12:49 |
pete_dushenski |
so they want to chill at the bar and smoke some weed instead of making a buck ? |
| 12:49 |
nubbins` |
when there's 500 other tourists who will just cough one up? |
| 12:49 |
pete_dushenski |
maybe they lick my asshole for a 100 though |
| 12:49 |
nubbins` |
dude, people the world over want to chill at the bar and smoke some weed instead of making a buck. |
| 12:50 |
pete_dushenski |
maybe they put in a bit more effort, because sure, i have standards, and maybe they get rewarded for it |
| 12:50 |
nubbins` |
it's a buck. |
| 12:50 |
nubbins` |
that's two maybes |
| 12:50 |
nubbins` |
how much of your own time do you waste on maybes? |
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| 12:50 |
nubbins` |
i'd say 5% of the time, or less, "more effort" results in "reward" |
| 12:51 |
nubbins` |
so why bother? |
| 12:51 |
pete_dushenski |
non-linear payoffs are a thing |
| 12:51 |
pete_dushenski |
if 5% chance yields >20x reward then +ev |
| 12:51 |
nubbins` |
you're omitting a variable |
| 12:51 |
nubbins` |
the extra time required |
| 12:52 |
pete_dushenski |
ok, so 40x payoffs are also a thing |
| 12:52 |
nubbins` |
ok, so 1% chance. |
| 12:52 |
nubbins` |
let's both make up numbers |
| 12:52 |
pete_dushenski |
or maybe it's more quality of time, not quantity i'm looking for |
| 12:52 |
nubbins` |
maybe. |
| 12:53 |
nubbins` |
consider that if your suggested approach worked, people would do it |
| 12:53 |
nubbins` |
but they don't |
| 12:53 |
nubbins` |
so............. |
| 12:53 |
pete_dushenski |
in fact, my experience was that people gave me TOO MUCH time |
| 12:53 |
pete_dushenski |
they'd walk up to me and want to show me this and that, start following me wherever i was going, trying to nudge me here and there |
| 12:54 |
pete_dushenski |
they seemed to have an abundance of time but little notion of how to use it effectively (at least on me) |
| 12:54 |
thestringpuller |
i'm an expert time waster, and wasting time is an art pete_dushenski |
| 12:54 |
pete_dushenski |
jamaicans should have a museum dedicated to this art, i say. |
| 12:55 |
nubbins` |
pete_dushenski minimum wage in jamaica is $1.25/hr. |
| 12:55 |
nubbins` |
if they get two dollars pestering you for an hour, they're ahead. |
| 12:55 |
nubbins` |
ten bucks is a day's work at an honest job |
| 12:56 |
nubbins` |
why does it seem irrational that they'd harass tourists for money? |
| 12:56 |
nubbins` |
consider how many of them just fork over the $$ to get rid of the guy |
| 12:56 |
pete_dushenski |
ok, so now you're saying that it's worth their time to be of service to me... make up your mind |
| 12:57 |
nubbins` |
i'm saying it's worth their time to try to get $$ out of tourists, but it's not worth their time to chase dead ends |
| 12:57 |
thestringpuller |
pete_dushenski: well it's in art in the sense of the Oracle from the Matrix. Once you realize there is a lot of "waiting" for events to occur, then it's best to spend the meanwhile in enjoyment. |
| 12:57 |
pete_dushenski |
i don't see that harassment, jostling, or whatever you want to call it is effective |
| 12:57 |
nubbins` |
pete_dushenski it's not effective --against you-- but it's *precisely effective* against the average vacationer. |
| 12:57 |
pete_dushenski |
if it were, jamaica wouldn't be worse than marakesh |
| 12:57 |
nubbins` |
these guys immediately realize that you're not some sucker who's gonna fork over a tenner |
| 12:57 |
nubbins` |
so they leave you alone |
| 12:57 |
pete_dushenski |
except they don't! |
| 12:58 |
pete_dushenski |
that's the thing! |
| 12:58 |
nubbins` |
ever? |
| 12:58 |
pete_dushenski |
they waste their time on me. |
| 12:58 |
nubbins` |
right. |
| 12:58 |
nubbins` |
and they do this because.... |
| 12:58 |
nubbins` |
....it sometimes works. |
| 12:58 |
nubbins` |
sometimes they harass a guy for an hour and get a payday |
| 12:58 |
pete_dushenski |
they all want to talk to the white kid with hair like them. i was the most popular thing on the street |
| 12:59 |
nubbins` |
pete_dushenski understand that you're a wallet with an afro when you visit resorts |
| 12:59 |
pete_dushenski |
thestringpuller: hm. i can see it |
| 12:59 |
nubbins` |
all behaviour you observe follows from this |
| 12:59 |
pete_dushenski |
what fucking resorts ? |
| 13:00 |
pete_dushenski |
these are cities i'm talking about. namely, ocho rios and kingston |
| 13:00 |
pete_dushenski |
the point i'm making is that quality is more valuable than quantity |
| 13:01 |
pete_dushenski |
(though yes, quantity does have a quality all its own) |
| 13:01 |
pete_dushenski |
and i saw a fuckton of quantity and very little, but admittedly non-zero, amounts of quality |
| 13:02 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064047 << "the revenue" != "their revenue" |
| 13:02 |
assbot |
Logged on 22-03-2015 14:04:46; nubbins`: "sourcing their ingredients from within spitting distance, thus keeping the revenue in the local economy" <<< you mean keeping their /expenditures/ in the local economy. their revenue goes elsewhere, unless they're the ones buying all the dimebags. |
| 13:03 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1066610 << ha!! |
| 13:03 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 01:22:24; gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-03-2015#1055439 << http://imgur.com/SXdFiZx |
| 13:03 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 13:04 |
nubbins` |
anyway tl;dr their approach works well enough for them |
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| 13:05 |
nubbins` |
if you're gonna upbraid them for not trying hard enough, why leave out the rest of the world? |
| 13:05 |
nubbins` |
none of us are trying hard enough |
| 13:07 |
pete_dushenski |
well, this'd be mp's recently identified economic meta problem |
| 13:07 |
pete_dushenski |
to which i humbly proposed, above, immigration of workerbees. |
| 13:07 |
nubbins` |
my recently identified pete's-blog-post-about-jamaica meta problem is that you identify entitlement as a problem but fail to realize that you're acting more entitled than these guys are |
| 13:07 |
nubbins` |
8) |
| 13:08 |
pete_dushenski |
there are plenty of people on the planet trying to improve their lot in life. |
| 13:08 |
nubbins` |
"how dare they not realize i deserve red carpets and back rubs" |
| 13:08 |
nubbins` |
"i'm non-black, after all, and i can afford to come here. what more must i do?!" |
| 13:08 |
nubbins` |
what more, indeed |
| 13:08 |
nubbins` |
brb |
| 13:08 |
pete_dushenski |
that alone is a huge difference between me and kid scooping frozen fly guts |
| 13:10 |
pete_dushenski |
they're not me and i'm not them, so ya, if we say words that sounds superficially similar, they have different contexts, thus different implications |
| 13:10 |
nubbins` |
sure, but doesn't mean automatic handjobs for the guy who doesn't scoop fly guts |
| 13:10 |
pete_dushenski |
well that's too bad |
| 13:11 |
pete_dushenski |
in that case, why bother doing better than fly guts kid ? |
| 13:11 |
pete_dushenski |
if we're all treated the same. |
| 13:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20355 @ 0.00020627 = 4.1986 BTC [+] |
| 13:13 |
pete_dushenski |
"An Airbus A320 crashed en route to Dusseldorf from Barcelona, likely killing all 150 people on board, in what would be the worst air accident on French soil in three decades. Germanwings Flight 9525 operated by the low-cost subsidiary of Deutsche Lufthansa AG went down in the French Alps following a rapid descent from cruising altitude, France’s civil aviation authority said." |
| 13:14 |
pete_dushenski |
i guess cutting costs from air travel has consequences. who knew you can't race to the bottom indefinitely. |
| 13:14 |
pete_dushenski |
this is assuming it wasn't hacked, shot down, etc. |
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| 13:16 |
nubbins` |
<+pete_dushenski> in that case, why bother doing better than fly guts kid ? <<< same reason one might bother to do worse: different tolerance for comforts or lack thereof |
| 13:16 |
nubbins` |
low-cost airlines = no fun |
| 13:16 |
nubbins` |
dat legroom |
| 13:17 |
pete_dushenski |
and the paper thin seat cushions |
| 13:17 |
pete_dushenski |
flying oz's jetstar made me appreciate air canada like nothing else |
| 13:18 |
nubbins` |
flying air canada made me appreciate westjet like nothing else XD |
| 13:18 |
nubbins` |
porter also gets points for free beer |
| 13:18 |
pete_dushenski |
haven't flown porter yet. |
| 13:18 |
nubbins` |
you ask for a beer and they just give you one, it's great |
| 13:18 |
pete_dushenski |
i don't mind westjet, their staff are quite well trained |
| 13:18 |
pete_dushenski |
dat customer service ! ;) |
| 13:19 |
pete_dushenski |
nubbins`: different tolerance for comforts or lack thereof << i guess jamaicans have a higher tolerance for discomfort than i do |
| 13:19 |
pete_dushenski |
perhaps a surprise to no one |
| 13:19 |
nubbins` |
almost certainly |
| 13:20 |
pete_dushenski |
given the mini-bus trip i took from the north of the island to the south, with 8 rows of people jammed, and i do mean jammed with mothers and children, 5 across |
| 13:20 |
pete_dushenski |
with no a/c |
| 13:20 |
nubbins` |
part of me feels this speaks to the relative lack of environmental stressors |
| 13:20 |
pete_dushenski |
memorable experience. hell, i'd do it again. |
| 13:21 |
nubbins` |
i recommend you keep doing it for the forseeable future :D |
| 13:21 |
nubbins` |
(but srsly, marrakesh, you would not enjoy) |
| 13:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8345 @ 0.00020248 = 1.6897 BTC [-] |
| 13:22 |
pete_dushenski |
lol funny you should mention marrakesh, i was actually going to go to morocco instead of jamaica but didn't have the 2-3 weeks needed to make the haul worthwhile |
| 13:23 |
pete_dushenski |
mebbe some day |
| 13:23 |
pete_dushenski |
i should say, i had the 2-3 weeks, but chose to spread it out over two trips instead of 1 |
| 13:24 |
pete_dushenski |
next up: home of the chf |
| 13:24 |
pete_dushenski |
"One of Britons' favourite places to visit in North Africa has been named the world's top destination by TripAdvisor users. With its desert landscape and bustling souks, Marrakech came out on top in the website's annual Travellers' Choice Awards for the first time." |
| 13:24 |
nubbins` |
i went to marrakesh for a week |
| 13:24 |
pete_dushenski |
^the wisdom of the crowds, i guess |
| 13:25 |
nubbins` |
turns out, stupid length of trip |
| 13:25 |
pete_dushenski |
no fez, no casablanca ? |
| 13:25 |
nubbins` |
no time! |
| 13:25 |
pete_dushenski |
lol |
| 13:25 |
pete_dushenski |
guess not eh |
| 13:26 |
nubbins` |
holed up in a hostel somewhere in the maze of souks for the week |
| 13:26 |
nubbins` |
saw the countryside a couple days |
| 13:26 |
nubbins` |
actually, touts aside, i'd go again for the food |
| 13:27 |
nubbins` |
but straight up, there is a club med about 100 meters from the main square, and you can tell |
| 13:28 |
nubbins` |
i'm not sure i'll be able to find a photograph that accurately captures what a bizarre juxtaposition this is, in the meantime |
| 13:29 |
pete_dushenski |
heh, well if you do, toss it in here |
| 13:29 |
pete_dushenski |
howdy Pierre_Rochard ! |
| 13:29 |
pete_dushenski |
looks like you're coming just as i'm going.. |
| 13:29 |
Pierre_Rochard |
howdy pete_dushenski |
| 13:30 |
Pierre_Rochard |
well I saw crapple mentioned was coincidentally reading up on their developer chumpatronics: http://www.elischiff.com/blog/2015/3/24/fear-of-apple |
| 13:30 |
assbot |
Critical Sharks Part IV: Fear of Apple — Eli Schiff ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKTAUp ) |
| 13:31 |
Pierre_Rochard |
pete_dushenski: ships that pass in the night, gday! |
| 13:31 |
pete_dushenski |
ya, it's not a pretty picture over in post-stevelandia |
| 13:31 |
pete_dushenski |
Pierre_Rochard: keep nubbins`occupied while i'm gone, wouldja ? |
| 13:31 |
pete_dushenski |
cheers ! |
| 13:31 |
nubbins` |
you're on the clock |
| 13:32 |
* |
Pierre_Rochard clocks in, sighs |
| 13:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.000213 = 4.2813 BTC [+] |
| 13:42 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067902 << all coffee is "black" at starbucks; if you want your coffee ruined, you have to do it yourself at the designated coffee ruining station |
| 13:42 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 15:06:52; nubbins`: example from link: "When a black guy works at Starbucks and one hesitates to ask him for `black coffee" |
| 13:43 |
danielpbarron |
!up ascii_field |
| 13:43 |
ascii_field |
from the lulzfarms: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/science/hydrogen-bomb-physicists-book-runs-afoul-of-energy-department.html |
| 13:43 |
assbot |
Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKUqR6 ) |
| 13:48 |
ascii_field |
mats: your phrase 'avoid all crypto standards' is very much -not- the inevitable implication of dismissing usg crapolade |
| 13:48 |
ascii_field |
-avoid all usg crypto standards- - yes |
| 13:49 |
ascii_field |
mats: leaving us with no real basis for actually figuring out the situation. << know perfectly well that we -have- a real basis. any crypto standard promulgated by known malefactors is to be thrown out. and replaced not with iraqi caesar ciphers, no, but with derivation from first principles of perfectly reasonable modern crypto. |
| 13:53 |
ascii_field |
pete_dushenski: what, precisely, was it that you wanted from the jamaicans ? |
| 13:53 |
ascii_field |
i still don't get it |
| 13:55 |
danielpbarron |
i get what he meant |
| 13:56 |
ascii_field |
danielpbarron: the vibe i got was 'why won't they lick my boots, whatddayamean it isn't 1890 and i'm not a brit' |
| 13:57 |
ascii_field |
but guess what, a modern italian can't go around proclaiming 'civis romanus sum' to any useful result, either |
| 13:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22284 @ 0.00021568 = 4.8062 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:59 |
mats |
http://knoema.com/ahvcqac/global-oil-stock-levels-in-days-of-net-imports |
| 13:59 |
assbot |
Global Oil Stock Levels in Days of Net Imports - knoema.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKVpkh ) |
| 14:02 |
ascii_field |
'Recent revelations show that the situation has gotten so bad that today there are only approximately 3000 apps profitable enough to support a median income of $50k for their developer. It is also important to note that not all apps are built by one developer, many work as a team. So it follows that there are many fewer than 3000 developers sustainably doing independent development.' |
| 14:02 |
ascii_field |
^ tournamentmarket lulz |
| 14:03 |
ascii_field |
'According to reporting, "1.6 percent of developers earn more than the other 98.4 percent combined. And the bottom 47 percent of engineers earn less than $100 per month." Yet somehow, independent app development has often been described as a 'gold rush' despite it being quietly understood by developers, even as early as 2009, that this was hardly the case.' << does this person have any awareness of what the '49 goldrush |
| 14:03 |
ascii_field |
is actually remembered for? |
| 14:03 |
ascii_field |
or do words have no meaning to him |
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| 14:04 |
chetty |
ascii_field, most likely no real knowledge of the gold rush |
| 14:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00021442 = 3.152 BTC [-] |
| 14:07 |
nubbins` |
haha |
| 14:07 |
* |
nubbins` wrote two iOS apps, submitted to overlord for review & put up for sale |
| 14:07 |
nubbins` |
can verify, not reasonable way of making living |
| 14:07 |
* |
ascii_field wrote one long ago, never published, wouldn't do it again |
| 14:08 |
nubbins` |
(anyone with half a brain could probably extrapolate that doing work on speculation, in general, is not a reasonable way of making a living) |
| 14:08 |
nubbins` |
fwiw i earned enough money to buy an ipad |
| 14:08 |
ascii_field |
obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1008262 |
| 14:08 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-02-2015 09:57:56; punkman: "app rating farm" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg |
| 14:08 |
nubbins` |
so i guess there's that |
| 14:08 |
ascii_field |
^ how the 'making a living with apps' folks do it |
| 14:08 |
nubbins` |
ha |
| 14:09 |
nubbins` |
that's great |
| 14:09 |
nubbins` |
"wait now, all those ipads are viewing the bitcoin forum" |
| 14:09 |
ascii_field |
-these- and precisely -these- people will always be the first to swear to you that 'being a star just happens' |
| 14:10 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field not unlike bitcoin, early "adopters" of writing ios apps scooped up most of the "free money" |
| 14:11 |
nubbins` |
i.e. for about three weeks, way back at the start, writing a "fart app" could reasonably earn you several months' wages |
| 14:11 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#814511 |
| 14:11 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-08-2014 04:59:28; asciilifeform: church (evidently in some other piece, forget which) likens the vc circus to the process whereby american 'pop musicians' are industrially manufactured by, among other outfits, disney corp. |
| 14:11 |
ascii_field |
the app 'gold mine' thing is precisely the 'disney entrepreneur farm' |
| 14:11 |
trinque |
seems to be precisely the same mechanism |
| 14:12 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: not even speaking of 'early adopters' - but of who it is who owns the 'app' market -today- |
| 14:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00022052 = 14.5543 BTC [+] {4} |
| 14:12 |
ascii_field |
and why. |
| 14:13 |
nubbins` |
i do know a guy who earns his living making mobile apps, but he's truly gifted and also concentrates on bespoke apps for product launch displays, interactive booths, etc |
| 14:13 |
trinque |
the few low-tier VCs I've talked to werent' the slightest bit interested in the fact that a) we're already profitable and b) had a sane plan to become more so |
| 14:13 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: very different from the populist chumpatron, though |
| 14:13 |
nubbins` |
i know of noone else who can support themselves, let alone a family, on iOS |
| 14:13 |
trinque |
just "hey how are we going to chase this loyalty/social/... trend" |
| 14:13 |
nubbins` |
almost so different as to not warrant mentioning |
| 14:13 |
nubbins` |
nobody mentions how "angry birds" devs made, what was it? 52 failures before they hit that one |
| 14:13 |
nubbins` |
!up ascii_field |
| 14:14 |
nubbins` |
fifty-two apps that had to be written, tested, submitted, accepted, promoted... |
| 14:14 |
nubbins` |
anyway, i said it earlier |
| 14:14 |
ascii_field |
article mentions gruber. who i recall very distinctly as an especially smarmy 'volunteer' apple propagandizer. he once sent fifty or so thousand morons to my site |
| 14:14 |
nubbins` |
doign work on spec is fucking nuts |
| 14:14 |
ascii_field |
when i blasphemed against his prophet |
| 14:15 |
funkenstein_ |
i refuse to admit that any creature would pay for an app |
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| 14:15 |
nubbins` |
doing work on spec where it has to pass through a single arbiter is /daft/ |
| 14:15 |
nubbins` |
funkenstein_ i paid eight or so bucks for a GPS app, 10/10 would do again |
| 14:15 |
ascii_field |
in other news, https://underhandedcrypto.com/2015/03/21/all-underhanded-crypto-entries |
| 14:15 |
assbot |
All Underhanded Crypto Entries | Underhanded Crypto Contest ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKWkRN ) |
| 14:15 |
funkenstein_ |
one that had already been written? |
| 14:16 |
trinque |
I've paid for a few apps, but my phone tends to be a mobile web browser |
| 14:16 |
nubbins` |
funkenstein_ try asking a different way? |
| 14:16 |
nubbins` |
trinque +1 |
| 14:16 |
trinque |
were the web not insane, there'd be no 'app stores' |
| 14:16 |
funkenstein_ |
software that has already been written is free |
| 14:16 |
ascii_field |
^ |
| 14:17 |
trinque |
funkenstein_: weird way of saying warez? or do you only use open source? |
| 14:17 |
danielpbarron |
funkenstein_> i refuse to admit that any creature would pay for an app << I've paid for a few |
| 14:17 |
nubbins` |
yeah i'm not sure what |
| 14:17 |
funkenstein_ |
i ran windows at one point too, not gonna brag about it though |
| 14:17 |
nubbins` |
but to answer your impossibly odd question, yes, the GPS app that i purchased had already been written when i purchased it |
| 14:18 |
trinque |
I'm not keen on intellectual property, but that's not what I (tell myself I) pay for when I buy software |
| 14:18 |
funkenstein_ |
i pay folks to write software, not to uh, well whatever it is you paid for |
| 14:18 |
danielpbarron |
i paid for an app called "drafts" which had the selling point of being a no-nonsense text input and saving app |
| 14:18 |
nubbins` |
funkenstein_ problem is, i can't get much of a GPS app written for $8. |
| 14:19 |
danielpbarron |
isn't Waze free? |
| 14:19 |
ascii_field |
danielpbarron: this is an ancient plague in the apple world. vendor releases an unusable os, and then various 'entrepreneurs' show up to expensively offer to paper over the turd, and users - oblige |
| 14:19 |
trinque |
waze has an upsell iirc |
| 14:19 |
danielpbarron |
i'm pretty sure i've never given waze any money |
| 14:19 |
trinque |
so when do we fix the internet guys? |
| 14:19 |
trinque |
is that next month? |
| 14:19 |
ascii_field |
check out the many apps whose functionality sums up to one line of 'sed' on a sane machine |
| 14:20 |
nubbins` |
funkenstein_ that said, if you know of a way i can turn my phone into a full-featured GPS unit for eight dollars, feel free to let me know |
| 14:20 |
trinque |
need a sandbox which runs lisp code and can do rudimentary socket IO |
| 14:20 |
nubbins` |
i'm sure others would be interested as well |
| 14:20 |
funkenstein_ |
what is a full featured gps unit? |
| 14:20 |
trinque |
exchange pub key to get access |
| 14:20 |
funkenstein_ |
gives you two coordinates of your location? |
| 14:20 |
nubbins` |
ah, we're doing pedantics here |
| 14:20 |
danielpbarron |
i paid for the up-sells in an app called "unfollow" so that i could keep an exceptions list; had it remove it recently because it became too buggy |
| 14:21 |
nubbins` |
no, it lets you create tracks, waypoints, PoIs, displays your avg speed and distance travelled, switch map overlays, blah blah |
| 14:21 |
funkenstein_ |
you are looking for good map software actually, GIS is what you mean to say |
| 14:21 |
trinque |
best thing about gossipd is probably going to be writing software around it |
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| 14:21 |
nubbins` |
no, i have good map software and good free maps |
| 14:21 |
nubbins` |
i'm looking for /bells and whistles/ |
| 14:22 |
nubbins` |
if all i wanted was a map i'd take a fucking map |
| 14:22 |
mats |
https://github.com/ryancdotorg/undercrypto2014 |
| 14:22 |
assbot |
ryancdotorg/undercrypto2014 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKWHf8 ) |
| 14:22 |
funkenstein_ |
i'm sure you can find what you are looking for |
| 14:22 |
nubbins` |
i'm sure you're talking out your ass |
| 14:22 |
trinque |
ehehehe |
| 14:22 |
funkenstein_ |
if not let me know i'll get you the apk or whatever for free |
| 14:22 |
ascii_field |
mats: yours ? |
| 14:22 |
trinque |
called it, warez |
| 14:22 |
danielpbarron |
the nicksquatters are mad at eachother! |
| 14:23 |
nubbins` |
funkenstein_ are we even speaking the same language here? |
| 14:23 |
trinque |
funkenstein_: there's nothing wrong with paying for software |
| 14:23 |
trinque |
I would like access to the source but that's a separate issue |
| 14:23 |
ascii_field |
not long ago i paid for - air. |
| 14:23 |
funkenstein_ |
trinque, that depends who you pay and when |
| 14:23 |
ascii_field |
for tires. |
| 14:23 |
nubbins` |
"i paid eight bucks for a binary with neat features" "yeah? well i pay everyone to write the software i use. or i use free shit. you're a dummy, use free shit!" |
| 14:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16086 @ 0.00022577 = 3.6317 BTC [+] |
| 14:23 |
ascii_field |
didn't 'feel good' about it though |
| 14:23 |
mats |
ascii_field: ha, no. a finalist from this year |
| 14:24 |
funkenstein_ |
i prefer to pay software developers for software |
| 14:24 |
nubbins` |
as if my time is so valueless that i'm willing to give up a couple hours over EIGHT DOLLARS |
| 14:24 |
trinque |
nubbins`: he git-tips a penny! good enough for anyone |
| 14:24 |
nubbins` |
.... |
| 14:24 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: payware costing money is by far the least significant problem with it, in my experience |
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| 14:24 |
trinque |
funkenstein_: ascii_field may give you a beating if you claim you have full control over your software stack |
| 14:24 |
ascii_field |
and i've used software packages costing six (usd) figures |
| 14:24 |
danielpbarron |
yeah i really don't mind paying for nice things, software or otherwise |
| 14:24 |
ascii_field |
(as i'm sure many others here have) |
| 14:25 |
danielpbarron |
heck i recently paid 120 USD for OpenBSD cd sets |
| 14:25 |
nubbins` |
<<< |
| 14:25 |
nubbins` |
i'm not sure what's so hard to digest here |
| 14:25 |
nubbins` |
"why would you purchase a moleskine notebook? just use vi" |
| 14:25 |
funkenstein_ |
danielpbarron did you send the 120 to an appstore? |
| 14:26 |
trinque |
holy fuck |
| 14:26 |
nubbins` |
;;calc 8*.3 |
| 14:26 |
gribble |
2.4 |
| 14:26 |
trinque |
funkenstein_: openbsd doesn't come from an app store |
| 14:26 |
funkenstein_ |
bingo |
| 14:26 |
danielpbarron |
i used a credit card so... |
| 14:26 |
nubbins` |
so of my eight bucks, $2.40 went to apple. |
| 14:26 |
funkenstein_ |
don't let it happen again ok? |
| 14:26 |
nubbins` |
is there anyone present who would take on the job of finding me a piece of software compatible with my needs, for $2.40? |
| 14:27 |
funkenstein_ |
i'm happy to look around for free |
| 14:27 |
nubbins` |
your time is your own to waste! |
| 14:27 |
nubbins` |
my time has value |
| 14:27 |
danielpbarron |
the better argument may be "don't use the kind of device that has an app store" or something |
| 14:27 |
funkenstein_ |
uh, and here we are |
| 14:27 |
nubbins` |
no, you're there and i'm here |
| 14:28 |
danielpbarron |
but seeing as how i have this stupid iphone, i really don't mind paying 1 to 10 USD for an app that actually works as described |
| 14:28 |
trinque |
soon as there's a fully open and documented phone/computer, I'll buy that too |
| 14:28 |
funkenstein_ |
even though it has a detrimental effect on distribution and the software ecosystem |
| 14:28 |
danielpbarron |
i don't care about the principle of the thing -- that a text input without cruft should just come with the thing |
| 14:28 |
nubbins` |
ah get out |
| 14:29 |
danielpbarron |
on a related note, i'm totally getting a moleskin notebook |
| 14:29 |
nubbins` |
me buying a handheld garmin has a detrimental effect on distribution and the software ecosystem |
| 14:29 |
trinque |
funkenstein_: you can moralize about any step in the supply chain of the thing |
| 14:29 |
nubbins` |
you buying a car has the same effect |
| 14:29 |
danielpbarron |
in the time it takes to unlock phone and open text app, i could have already written the idea down |
| 14:29 |
trinque |
I've got a highly customized gentoo running all OSS.... on a fucking lenovo x1 carbon |
| 14:30 |
nubbins` |
trinque lenovo? did it come with windows? |
| 14:30 |
trinque |
still not sin-free (TM) |
| 14:30 |
trinque |
nubbins`: yeah win 8.1 |
| 14:30 |
nubbins` |
^ |
| 14:30 |
nubbins` |
thanks for having a detrimental effect on distribution and the software ecosystem, judas |
| 14:30 |
trinque |
saying you can't escape |
| 14:30 |
trinque |
nubbins`: :''( |
| 14:30 |
nubbins` |
right? |
| 14:30 |
nubbins` |
senseless wank-off |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
or hell I get an "open computer" whatever that is |
| 14:31 |
ascii_field |
there is no sensible 'pNohe', we already knew this |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
now I want wireless internet |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
fucked. |
| 14:31 |
nubbins` |
but at least we have people happy to look around for free |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
or the parts are completely open and NSA spent infinite money discovering hardware flaws |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
and now I'm part of the NSA botnet |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
not sin free |
| 14:32 |
nubbins` |
i'll just pop on irc every time i'm tempted to pay two dollars to satisfy an impulse |
| 14:32 |
danielpbarron |
the only software ecosystem that matters is right in here and i don't see it getting harmed by us paying for a gps app on our phones |
| 14:32 |
ascii_field |
trinque: part of the NSA botnet << most of us will live and die without having the honour of an 0day spent (yes, they're used up when used, think about it) on our sorry hides |
| 14:32 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron "but if the gps app is closed source, it could be sending your location to the NSA" 8)8)8)8)8) |
| 14:33 |
danielpbarron |
so then the argument is "don't use iphone at all" which is a much more sensible argument |
| 14:33 |
trinque |
ascii_field: hm, I took the hard drive firmware situation to mean malware could hide and resurface without being detectable at the OS level |
| 14:33 |
trinque |
I wouldn't know |
| 14:34 |
trinque |
that led me to believe that they infect everyone, make almost all dormant |
| 14:34 |
trinque |
this led me to thinking about how much of what I've heard through leaks is psyops |
| 14:35 |
danielpbarron |
trending in social media == likely psyops |
| 14:36 |
trinque |
ascii_field: makes sense though that they would treat these like fire-once weapons |
| 14:37 |
ascii_field |
trinque: basic tradecraft - the more shocking the exploit, the louder will be the cry when it is discovered; the more victims - the sooner it ends up on, e.g., my desk, or that of 100,000 other folks who can pry it open |
| 14:37 |
mats |
http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/ |
| 14:37 |
assbot |
Project IceStorm ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKXug8 ) |
| 14:38 |
ascii_field |
mats: neato, there was a similar project for xilinx 'virtex' |
| 14:38 |
ascii_field |
mats: actually, at least two |
| 14:38 |
mats |
how was their progress? |
| 14:38 |
ascii_field |
mats: surprisingly usable |
| 14:38 |
ascii_field |
but |
| 14:38 |
ascii_field |
mats: the way the story normally ends is that the reversed fpga becomes quasi-usable nearly the same time it goes out of print and replaced with incompatible version... |
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| 14:39 |
ascii_field |
...and... |
| 14:39 |
ascii_field |
'as long as no block memories or hard IP blocks are used' << ahahahahaha. |
| 14:39 |
ascii_field |
academic turd. |
| 14:39 |
ascii_field |
worthless. |
| 14:39 |
ascii_field |
even something as simple as dram is not, in practice, usable without the 'hard' blocks |
| 14:39 |
ascii_field |
on any fpga whatsoever |
| 14:39 |
ascii_field |
the timing constraints are unforgiving. |
| 14:39 |
* |
ascii_field bashed his head on this for most of a year, at one point |
| 14:40 |
ascii_field |
also see old threads |
| 14:40 |
ascii_field |
!s xilinx |
| 14:40 |
assbot |
56 results for 'xilinx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xilinx |
| 14:40 |
mats |
i didn't know that |
| 14:40 |
punkman |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA10nFyUQAAiegp.png https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA2qpYEUcAA3ByF.jpg:large |
| 14:40 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BKXGfp ) |
| 14:40 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BKXGfs ) |
| 14:44 |
danielpbarron |
!up ascii_field |
| 14:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.0002305 = 2.4664 BTC [+] |
| 14:47 |
jurov |
http://animalous.com/ in the bottom, 33 reasons for lulz |
| 14:47 |
assbot |
Animalous ... ( http://bit.ly/1BKY7q7 ) |
| 14:48 |
jurov |
and the motivation, too |
| 14:49 |
ascii_field |
'The library implements the AES block cipher in CTR mode and for the most part behaves as it is described in almost all circumstances it would normally be used in. Notably it passes all the FIPS and RFC test vectors for AES encoding and can interoperate with openssl. The library can be used in most any application where AES is needed and will behave appropriately. The library becomes exploitable specifically when it gets |
| 14:49 |
ascii_field |
used as part of an implementation of IPSec over IPv6 in a resource constrained IP stack. In such a case, under normal operation the library will perform properly, interoperating with other IPSec aes-ctr hosts. But when it is triggered by a forged ICMPv6 packet it will lead to a full plaintext reveal. Another forged ICMP packet will restore the conforming behavior so that normal packet retries will mask the improper |
| 14:49 |
ascii_field |
behavior.' |
| 14:49 |
ascii_field |
^ winner of ucc |
| 14:57 |
ascii_field |
from a runner-up: |
| 14:58 |
ascii_field |
'Provides a working implementation of a backdoor embedded into the RSA modulus of a Certification Authority public-key certificate and the code for a minimalistic client and server communicating over a TLS channel:' |
| 14:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6305 @ 0.0002305 = 1.4533 BTC [+] |
| 14:59 |
ascii_field |
'Shows how this backdoor can completely pervert the security guarantees provided by the TLS protocol... even the presence of a single CA certificate with a secretly embedded backdoor in the certificate store would render the entire TLS security fictional...' |
| 14:59 |
ascii_field |
(Alfonso De Gregorio) |
| 15:02 |
jurov |
there's also ECDSA goodie "I have extended this attack to work in cases where there is a |
| 15:02 |
jurov |
known difference between the key values used in two signatures" |
| 15:02 |
ascii_field |
jurov: sop |
| 15:03 |
ascii_field |
this was, iirc, actually fired in anger and coin was recovered |
| 15:04 |
ascii_field |
incidentally, one of the entries is a diddled ecc curve |
| 15:04 |
ascii_field |
'It is my aim to set a new high-water mark for transparency in parameter generation. To that end, all of these values are nothing-up-my-sleeve numbers which I generated by singing the Bohemian Rhapsody backward with my dog barking in the background, digitizing the audio as an MP3 at a bitrate of 192kbit/s, and taking every 17th byte of the result. Their integrity can easily be verified by repeating this procedure.' |
| 15:05 |
ascii_field |
^ i won't spoil the riddle here |
| 15:06 |
jurov |
can i borrow the dog? |
| 15:06 |
jurov |
:D |
| 15:09 |
ascii_field |
... and one of the submissions is a pwning of actual wild openssl when an idiot uses dsa. |
| 15:10 |
ascii_field |
jurov: the rpm signature entry isn't yours by any chance ? |
| 15:11 |
ascii_field |
i could've sworn you discovered this very item in the actual wild |
| 15:11 |
jurov |
no, i have no entry |
| 15:11 |
jurov |
which one? |
| 15:11 |
ascii_field |
it's the one by S. Nicolussi |
| 15:13 |
jurov |
ths is something different |
| 15:14 |
ascii_field |
ah |
| 15:14 |
ascii_field |
i highly recommend reading the ucc winners |
| 15:14 |
ascii_field |
to all of the people here. |
| 15:15 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ascii_field |
| 15:15 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell mircea_popescu es.qntra sounds cool Seperate wordpress install for it does seem necessary |
| 15:15 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 15:15 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell cazalla es.qntra sounds cool Seperate wordpress install for it does seem necessary |
| 15:15 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 15:16 |
jurov |
i was thinking at first "how is he patching yum or what?" but it's about principle |
| 15:16 |
jurov |
that it is checking for error messages, not "GOOD signature" string |
| 15:18 |
mats |
http://bitseed.me/product/blockchain-node-developer-version/ |
| 15:18 |
assbot |
Bitseed Personal Server - Bitcoin Node Edition - Bitseed ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOuxoj ) |
| 15:18 |
mats |
all the moar reason to sell pogos imo |
| 15:19 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 15:19 |
ascii_field |
'OS is Ubuntu 14 with optional GUI desktop. It can support to a mouse, keyboard and HDMI monitor if desired' << l0l!! |
| 15:20 |
jurov |
omfg... checked /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/rpmUtils/miscutils.py |
| 15:20 |
mats |
http://i.imgur.com/09FTJTl.jpg pictured: one partially disassembled hellfire missile |
| |
↖ |
| 15:20 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1EOv2ic ) |
| 15:20 |
jurov |
and it *really* does say: |
| 15:20 |
ascii_field |
mats: yours ? |
| 15:20 |
jurov |
if str(e) == "public key not availaiable": |
| 15:20 |
mats |
(training round as indicated by green tip) |
| 15:21 |
jurov |
on live cnetos installation |
| 15:21 |
mats |
ascii_field: nah. acquaintance's. |
| 15:21 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067407 <<< i can figure it out, alternatively, another idea would be to just make another wordpress install in qntra.net/es/ |
| 15:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 09:25:50; mircea_popescu: cazalla you know how to set that shit up tho ? |
| 15:21 |
ascii_field |
mats: what do these cost (assuming this was surplus ?) |
| 15:21 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, there's also wordpress multisite, but i have never used it |
| 15:22 |
ascii_field |
mats: and is that a flir camera head in the left hand side? another golden toilet |
| 15:22 |
mats |
ascii_field: iirc bezzle rate for live rounds are 70k+ |
| 15:22 |
* |
Adlai would call this a partly disassembled enclosure, the missile has its own insides too |
| 15:23 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: They moved most of that functionality into wordpress, better to separate the things at a moving parts level anyways |
| 15:24 |
mats |
ascii_field: i think so. i believe the tip is transparent like the 'Sidewinder' |
| 15:24 |
cazalla |
the only downside to es.qntra.net would be that it won't benefit from the mother, a subdomain is essentially a brand new site (in the eyes of google) |
| 15:25 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
| 15:26 |
ascii_field |
mats: tip is normally transparent in heat-seekers |
| 15:27 |
ascii_field |
mats: what precisely is the point of a training round rocket ? |
| 15:27 |
ascii_field |
size-and-mass model ? |
| 15:28 |
mats |
i can't explain it. |
| 15:28 |
Adlai |
some training ordnances let you toggle in simulated errors |
| 15:28 |
* |
Adlai doesn't know about this specific one |
| 15:29 |
ascii_field |
judging only by the photo, the electronic components are in |
| 15:29 |
ascii_field |
and one can presumably speak to them |
| 15:30 |
ascii_field |
at any rate, such rockets have not really changed since the '70s |
| 15:30 |
ascii_field |
there is nothing 'magic' in them. |
| 15:30 |
Adlai |
iirc some training ordnance also simulates in-flight behavior of the real thing |
| 15:30 |
BingoBoingo |
My guess is it is either for training pilots under load or training maintenance techs without a sapper's margin of error |
| 15:30 |
Adlai |
... actually, there's a lot of new magic? |
| 15:31 |
* |
Adlai is more familiar with anti-tank than anti-air though |
| 15:31 |
Adlai |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_(missile) |
| 15:31 |
assbot |
Spike (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HABooQ ) |
| 15:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00023303 = 1.6196 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:40 |
ascii_field |
if it is anything like the training version of 'strela' (man-portable surface to air rocket from ru, whose manual was discussed in here a few wks ago) the training variant lets you lock onto and track a target, but doesn't fly or explode. |
| 15:40 |
ascii_field |
(or did we do 'igla' ? i forget) |
| 15:43 |
BingoBoingo |
lol q&a at the end https://www.allcrypt.com/blog/2015/03/what-happened-and-whats-going-on/ |
| 15:43 |
assbot |
What happened, and what’s going on « AllCrypt Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAE3yJ ) |
| 15:44 |
BingoBoingo |
I think we did discuss igla |
| 15:44 |
BingoBoingo |
!s igla |
| 15:44 |
assbot |
4 results for 'igla' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=igla |
| 15:45 |
BingoBoingo |
It's there |
| 15:45 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes mod6 mircea_popescu and other interested parties: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz |
| 15:45 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HAEBoj ) |
| 15:45 |
nubbins` |
^ Compiling bitcoin-v0.5.3.1 on OSX |
| 15:49 |
BingoBoingo |
!Up ascii_field |
| 15:51 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: nubbins`: any changes -not- in common with openbsd << For versions earlier than 5.7 and -current some wallet.cpp code needs changed to use better random |
| 15:53 |
mod6 |
great work nubbins`! |
| 15:53 |
mod6 |
thanks for posting. |
| 15:53 |
thestringpuller |
ascii_field: axe time has begun |
| 15:54 |
ascii_field |
thestringpuller: hm ? |
| 15:54 |
thestringpuller |
you see the bitnode news? |
| 15:54 |
ascii_field |
aha |
| 15:54 |
ascii_field |
snore. |
| 15:55 |
ascii_field |
doesn't cost any less than a normal computer |
| 15:55 |
ascii_field |
(say, from 'pcengines') |
| 15:56 |
nubbins` |
mod6 i should stress that *none* of the hardening options are included in that makefile, and it really should not be used for anything other than reference |
| 15:57 |
mircea_popescu |
lol cazalla i just got it. |
| 15:58 |
nubbins` |
mod6 but FWIW this process should generally be able to be applied to future releases as well |
| 15:58 |
ascii_field |
thestringpuller: if they were passing these out for tenbux each, then. |
| 15:59 |
ascii_field |
but otherwise snore |
| 15:59 |
nubbins` |
i.e. 0.5.3.2 should patch just the same |
| 16:01 |
thestringpuller |
ascii_field: snore for now, but if they start selling, they lower barrier to fork. |
| |
↖ |
| 16:01 |
thestringpuller |
selling in volume* |
| 16:02 |
ascii_field |
the photo suggests something like a 'raspberry' |
| 16:02 |
thestringpuller |
just bad feeling seeing summer 2015 as their schedule and this aligns with gavin wanting to have enough dick's sucked to push his shit into github around then as well |
| 16:03 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field i thought it was a raspi between two sheets of acrylic at first |
| 16:04 |
nubbins` |
looks like similar class of hw |
| 16:04 |
nubbins` |
commodity sbc |
| 16:04 |
nubbins` |
.foundation 0.5.3.1 running on pogoplug w/ SD card is a stopgap here |
| 16:08 |
ascii_field |
i think i've identified the board |
| 16:08 |
ascii_field |
it is a 'banana pi.' |
| 16:09 |
ascii_field |
not revealed in the phoundation site, of course |
| 16:10 |
ascii_field |
but can be inferred from the port layout and the chipset in the spec sheet. |
| 16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field lol. |
| 16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
the blessing of suck these people have srsly... |
| 16:13 |
mod6 |
# Modified March 22 2015 by Satoshi Nakamoto for La Serenissima << :] |
| 16:13 |
nubbins` |
dat paying for a needless gpu, hdmi, etc |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
lol win |
| 16:13 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: them's chumps paying |
| 16:14 |
nubbins` |
i wonder how much $$ pogo boards could be had for in quantity |
| 16:14 |
nubbins` |
(if at all) |
| 16:14 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: probably ~19 usd forever until they run out |
| 16:14 |
ascii_field |
upon which $maxint. |
| 16:14 |
mircea_popescu |
hemeans just the boards. |
| 16:15 |
nubbins` |
lel. i know, i mean actually having just the boards produced |
| 16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` the plastic casing is at least as valuable as the boards. |
| 16:15 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu +1 |
| 16:15 |
nubbins` |
it comes with a fucking 3-foot cat5! |
| 16:15 |
nubbins` |
and a power supply too! |
| 16:15 |
ascii_field |
and dc brick |
| 16:15 |
ascii_field |
aha |
| 16:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21678 @ 0.00023498 = 5.0939 BTC [+] |
| 16:15 |
ascii_field |
and don't forget the steel heat sink in there |
| 16:15 |
nubbins` |
and so on! |
| 16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
| 16:16 |
nubbins` |
so what i'm wondering is what you're looking at for, say, 10k units without all that fluff |
| 16:16 |
ascii_field |
i'll add that the case is not merely decorative |
| 16:16 |
ascii_field |
it holds the heatsink in place, and cradles the hdd |
| 16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` 10k is not in quantity noob. |
| 16:16 |
ascii_field |
^^ |
| 16:16 |
nubbins` |
lel you're right hey |
| 16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
10mn, you can prolly have for ~7-8 or so |
| 16:17 |
ascii_field |
rupees. |
| 16:17 |
nubbins` |
i obv have no idea as to scale here |
| 16:17 |
ascii_field |
10 mn, i'd stuff it all on one die. |
| 16:18 |
ascii_field |
and a socket on the side for another identical unit, for when the flash fills. |
| 16:18 |
ascii_field |
ad infinitum. |
| 16:18 |
ascii_field |
(ethernet socket on other hand side, naturally) |
| 16:18 |
ascii_field |
like 'lego blocks' |
| 16:20 |
* |
nubbins` shrugs |
| 16:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8147 @ 0.00023239 = 1.8933 BTC [-] |
| 16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
| 16:23 |
nubbins` |
pogo is what, marvell kirkwood? |
| 16:23 |
thestringpuller |
http://bitseed.me/product/blockchain-node-developer-version |
| 16:23 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: aha |
| 16:23 |
thestringpuller |
^- posted by same dude on reddit |
| 16:23 |
ascii_field |
!s marvell |
| 16:23 |
assbot |
13 results for 'marvell' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marvell |
| 16:24 |
nubbins` |
might be worth contacting /them/ |
| 16:24 |
nubbins` |
if anyone'd have a handle on someone down-chain who has however many k units.. |
| 16:24 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: for what ? |
| 16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
Storage4 GB NAND Flash |
| 16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
160 GB HDD |
| 16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
ahaha this is exactly a pogo |
| 16:24 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: it's a 'banana pi' |
| 16:24 |
ascii_field |
retails for around $60. |
| 16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean performance wise. |
| 16:24 |
ascii_field |
sand disk, brick, case |
| 16:25 |
ascii_field |
slightly faster than pogo, iirc |
| 16:25 |
ascii_field |
*sans |
| 16:25 |
ascii_field |
pogo has 128m flash also |
| 16:26 |
nubbins` |
wait, 4gb nand! |
| 16:26 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: for what do you need a 4g nand ? |
| 16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field but the 4gb is only because they run crud. |
| 16:26 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu has it |
| 16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
in no way better than 128mb with deturdified os |
| 16:26 |
ascii_field |
but iirc that board comes with it on |
| 16:26 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field that's what i'm wondering :0 |
| 16:26 |
ascii_field |
you can't get it without the extra bells & whistles |
| 16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, speaking of this, what was the status of teh pogo project ? we ready to bake ? |
| 16:27 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: if you ask me, releasing the memleak version is lunacy |
| 16:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00022994 = 6.4843 BTC [-] |
| 16:27 |
ascii_field |
regardless of what else works |
| 16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
you can't postpone everything until everything else just like you can't have everything louder than everything else. |
| 16:29 |
ascii_field |
i specifically mean that a node running bitcoincrashcrashcrash is dangerous to itself and others. |
| 16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
how ? |
| 16:29 |
ascii_field |
nondeterministic behaviour |
| 16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
all bitcoin nodes run that o.O |
| 16:29 |
ascii_field |
if i could quantify it, it wouldn't be nondeterministic, would it |
| 16:29 |
ascii_field |
i meant that it trashes state unpredictably |
| 16:29 |
ascii_field |
upon death |
| 16:29 |
chetty |
http://www.wired.com/2015/03/stealing-data-computers-using-heat/ |
| 16:29 |
assbot |
Stealing Data From Computers Using Heat | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL7dTB ) |
| 16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
inb4 ascii_field snore. |
| 16:30 |
danielpbarron |
nubbins`> it comes with a bobbaing 3-foot cat5! << most do; not all -- the power supply also varies in shape |
| 16:30 |
ascii_field |
chetty: ancient tech |
| 16:30 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron uh |
| 16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
he'd know. |
| 16:30 |
ascii_field |
chetty: a certain semiconductor vendor had a heat-based tattletale mechanism for detecting clones |
| 16:31 |
ascii_field |
transmitted a few bytes with small variations in surface temp |
| 16:31 |
nubbins` |
dat impure word replacement |
| 16:31 |
chetty |
yeah old tech, but showing up in more mainstream sorts of pubs is interesting |
| 16:31 |
ascii_field |
the receiver here is the built-in thermistor found in most servers |
| 16:31 |
ascii_field |
which is mildly clever |
| 16:32 |
ascii_field |
'The two systems would then engage in a handshake, involving a sequence of “thermal pings” of +1C degrees each, to establish a connection. ' << stopped reading here |
| 16:32 |
ascii_field |
noise sensitivity makes it hopeless in the wild |
| 16:33 |
ascii_field |
(a passing draft will drop your channel capacity to nothing ?) |
| 16:33 |
nubbins` |
a passing draft will drop your outdoor coffee roaster by 20C |
| 16:33 |
nubbins` |
wait, that conversation was from somewhere else |
| 16:34 |
danielpbarron |
how hard would it be to get OpenBSD on a pogo? I've been idling in their channel but I'm not sure how productive it would be to just go "hey someone should start supporting this architecture for my pet project!" |
| 16:34 |
ascii_field |
danielpbarron: same problem as netbsd |
| 16:34 |
ascii_field |
(no support for the nand; bizarre bugs in other drivers) |
| 16:35 |
danielpbarron |
i don't mind paying someone to do it, but i probably can't afford whatever that kind of work is worth |
| 16:35 |
ascii_field |
i would do it pro bono but haven't the time |
| 16:35 |
ascii_field |
(i know exactly how) |
| 16:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00023035 = 1.9695 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:36 |
danielpbarron |
i got your netbsd kernel to boot on the pogo; this is possible with openbsd as well? |
| 16:36 |
ascii_field |
haven't tried personally |
| 16:36 |
ascii_field |
but iirc the device support of openbsd is a subset of netbsd's |
| 16:36 |
nubbins` |
was bsd chosen because of smallest footprint or other? |
| 16:37 |
danielpbarron |
http://www.openbsd.org/armish.html << this is it? |
| 16:37 |
assbot |
OpenBSD/armish ... ( http://bit.ly/1HARjU5 ) |
| 16:37 |
nubbins` |
i recall you saying a bare bones install could be impossibly tiny |
| 16:37 |
BingoBoingo |
<nubbins`> was bsd chosen because of smallest footprint or other? << small footprint no crud |
| 16:37 |
danielpbarron |
i wouldn't mind gentoo |
| 16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
<ascii_field> (a passing draft will drop your channel capacity to nothing ?) << BUT DRM IN AUDIO WORKS!!! |
| 16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ? |
| 16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently ascii_field wants a provably-correct stack of five layers of software before we ship out ten dollar items. |
| 16:41 |
ascii_field |
neh just something that isn't guaranteed to kark its breeks after 40min |
| 16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
40 mins is the new 2 weeks |
| 16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron what was the current block count on those things ? |
| 16:41 |
ascii_field |
anyone who wants an illustration of roughly what has to be done, is invited to read my skull&crossbones patch |
| 16:41 |
danielpbarron |
height=295831 vs height=216046 |
| 16:41 |
mod6 |
For me, and I might be wrong here, but fixing that is a huge chunk of work. I'd have to break it down to give a decent estimate. But I'd guess 6 months or more, easy. |
| 16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
remind me, what are the configs on them ? |
| 16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 i am of the same persuasion. |
| 16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
if we live to see it we've lived a long life. |
| 16:42 |
mod6 |
srsly. |
| 16:42 |
ascii_field |
wai wat |
| 16:42 |
ascii_field |
fixing leak ? |
| 16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field you familiar with how long current foundation patch took ? |
| 16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
or anything else for that matter, deedbot, cardano, eulora, name it. |
| 16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm just about to release v5 eulora here AFTER A YEAR |
| 16:43 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: one of these things is not like the other, i think |
| 16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
and that was a year of fucking work. |
| 16:43 |
ascii_field |
phoundation has no day job |
| 16:43 |
ascii_field |
they ought to have gone 100x faster. |
| 16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
o it doesn't ? why not ? |
| 16:43 |
chetty |
fisrt version of eulora was fast :) |
| 16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
o look at those kulaks over there... THEY have to do things right. |
| 16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
julia. not us. |
| 16:43 |
ascii_field |
gavin or whoever - isn't he a full-time dev for turdation ? |
| 16:44 |
danielpbarron |
http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-config.txt |
| 16:44 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8nP1 ) |
| 16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
yes and he's doing his job to the best of his abilities. |
| 16:44 |
mod6 |
Our goal is to get this resolved, but I think it seriously is going to take some effort. Part of going forward from this release is going to be breaking down goals and getting them lined up. I have high hopes to discuss much of this at the Cnof. |
| 16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
except he's currently rated F for failure. |
| 16:44 |
mod6 |
*Conf |
| 16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 speaking of which, you never answered email. |
| 16:45 |
mod6 |
Sorry! I'll get you something tonight :) |
| 16:45 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2015/03/thermal-sidechannel-carries-8-bits-per-hour-in-proof-of-concept/ |
| 16:45 |
assbot |
Thermal Sidechannel Carries 8 Bits Per Hour in Proof of Concept | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8t9o ) |
| 16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
just making sure you got it. |
| 16:45 |
ascii_field |
BingoBoingo: we just did that one |
| 16:45 |
BingoBoingo |
ascii_field: I'd already started on it |
| 16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
he writes for qntra! |
| 16:45 |
mod6 |
Yes, Sir. Should have responded lastnight, just got distracted hacking together my obsd lappy. |
| 16:46 |
ascii_field |
mod6, mircea_popescu: depending on what it means to fix the leak (total replacement for block sync mechanism and a mathematical proof for it? or something more like my patch ?) it could take anywhere from a weekend to maxint days |
| 16:47 |
mod6 |
yeah, im talking about an all encompassing approach .. many small steps, the former. |
| 16:47 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron i meant, how are they different. |
| 16:47 |
mod6 |
Anything worth doing, is worth doing right. |
| 16:47 |
danielpbarron |
refresh, i just added the other |
| 16:47 |
danielpbarron |
oh you mean parts? |
| 16:47 |
danielpbarron |
different hard drives |
| 16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field the way system engineering is done, is either do not fix a problem, or else fix the problem. adding a problem++ to the list at the cost of a weekend is not on this list. |
| 16:48 |
danielpbarron |
one is solid state; other is 5400 rpm |
| 16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
that it ? |
| 16:48 |
danielpbarron |
ya |
| 16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
aha cool. |
| 16:49 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: adding a problem++ to the list at the cost of a weekend is not on this list << astute observation, which is why my patch was specifically labeled as a proof to nail down the locus of the problem, and not an item to be used on the battlefield. |
| 16:49 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. so then, these things are pretty much ready to launch are they ? |
| 16:49 |
danielpbarron |
i also had one going that was using a USB3 stick -- stopped it after a week or so when it was clearly way too slow |
| 16:49 |
danielpbarron |
they are not up to the defined spec |
| 16:50 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron link me to your last version of "how to" again plox ? |
| 16:50 |
ascii_field |
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/03/woman-held-in-psych-ward-for-saying-obama-follows-her-on-twitter-even-though-he-actually-does |
| 16:50 |
assbot |
Database Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8MRu ) |
| 16:50 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron what's the shortcoming again ? |
| 16:50 |
danielpbarron |
http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt |
| 16:50 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BL8NFe ) |
| 16:50 |
danielpbarron |
this howto is more for developers |
| 16:50 |
nubbins` |
woo |
| 16:50 |
nubbins` |
i have pogo x2 on the way, i'm gonna dig into this |
| 16:50 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron hoply shit, this thing... dude... |
| 16:50 |
mircea_popescu |
what do you work irl ? |
| 16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i haven't seen asciiart technical drawings in documents since the 90s. |
| 16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
| 16:51 |
danielpbarron |
the shortcoming is it's using ArchLinux, doesn't boot from eeprom, requires a great deal of user setup to get working |
| 16:51 |
trinque |
all danielpbarron's docs rule |
| 16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
cool beans nubbins` |
| 16:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9311 @ 0.00022906 = 2.1328 BTC [-] |
| 16:52 |
danielpbarron |
would have to be shipped with SD card already configured if the end user is to just plug in a hard drive and forget about it |
| 16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron what's your job offline ? |
| 16:53 |
danielpbarron |
it's a seasonal warehouse thing |
| 16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
shut up. |
| 16:53 |
danielpbarron |
LTL |
| 16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
you're a tchnical / manual writer. |
| 16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
stop wasting your time with whatever. you have any idea what shortage is for these ? |
| 16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
or, for that matter, what it pays ? |
| 16:54 |
nubbins` |
^ truth sauce, almost took this up as a career |
| 16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
no but this nut's fucking talented, look at this thing. |
| 16:54 |
nubbins` |
<+danielpbarron> would have to be shipped with SD card already configured if the end user is to just plug in a hard drive and forget about it <<< that is actually preferable for almost everyone who would buy this |
| 16:54 |
danielpbarron |
it's not complete btw |
| 16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
you have any idea how fucking ~rare~ an actual talent for technical writing is ? |
| 16:55 |
nubbins` |
very |
| 16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron srsly. look into it. |
| 16:55 |
danielpbarron |
well i'm also really good at LTL, heh |
| 16:55 |
* |
nubbins` did well enough at this in uni to get pulled into strange prof's office for praise once |
| 16:55 |
danielpbarron |
"logistics" or w/e they call it |
| 16:55 |
nubbins` |
and i wouldn't call myself, y'know, outstanding |
| 16:56 |
danielpbarron |
i move millions of dollars worth of stuff over the course of a month or two |
| 16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
is ltl where you load trucks all day ? |
| 16:56 |
danielpbarron |
ya, and schedule them |
| 16:56 |
danielpbarron |
and get the orders ready for them |
| 16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. well... your lyf, your calls. |
| 16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i wish upon my enemies to be here with me |
| 16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
and enjoy the fucking TONEDEAF PARADE |
| 16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
thousands of people! |
| 16:58 |
danielpbarron |
good to know there are other options; i woudln't mind supplementing my income |
| 16:58 |
danielpbarron |
especially with food costing what it does these days |
| 16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 16:58 |
danielpbarron |
i'm getting slaughtered at the supermarket |
| 16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"dude, get into this thing you're great for it pays excellent" "oh, i do ok... and i know what food costs." "listen to me... you're not supposed to know what food costs." |
| 17:00 |
nubbins` |
if you did, you'd not eat it |
| 17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. so archlinux ? what happened to netbsd or w/e ?! |
| 17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
shit im behind. |
| 17:01 |
BingoBoingo |
There's concurrent pogo threads |
| 17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo im gonna unwind this thing cause i think it ran into a problem. |
| 17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
soo where them threads lead. |
| 17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
see* |
| 17:02 |
nubbins` |
if we're talking about a "pogo node" as a kit that one can purchase, i think, it's fine to start with w/e distro, booting from SD, skull-and-crossbones patches, w/e |
| 17:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, the pogo hardware was never marketed with multithreading |
| 17:03 |
nubbins` |
all else aside, owning one of these pogos is an opportunity |
| 17:03 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron so what exactly is it, how did it end up on arch ? |
| 17:03 |
nubbins` |
if it's got a real version of bitcoind that works enough to use, all the better |
| 17:04 |
nubbins` |
nobody who can't follow some simple instructions to flash nand down the road and reclaim their SD card is gonna buy one anyway |
| 17:05 |
nubbins` |
find any forum thread anywhere about pogoplugs being sold at these prices, most of the responses are "!!!!!!!!!" |
| 17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 17:11 |
danielpbarron |
there was already a guide written for getting it to work on arch |
| 17:12 |
danielpbarron |
and then later i found a guide for debian, but the bitcoind was still dynamic and wouldn't work on it |
| 17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
ah so because easier ? |
| 17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
is the current arch thing static ? |
| 17:12 |
danielpbarron |
no |
| 17:12 |
danielpbarron |
it's from ascii's portatronic instructions |
| 17:13 |
danielpbarron |
easier yes, in that i don't know any alternatives that work yet |
| 17:13 |
danielpbarron |
i think another unsolved problem is that we don't know how to compile a linux kernel that works |
| 17:13 |
danielpbarron |
or else maybe gentoo would work on it |
| 17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically, you put archlinux according to ascii_field's brew on the pogo, and then compiled a static foundation bitcoind and loaded that up, and that's what we have now ? |
| 17:14 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: you can use localmodconfig for that |
| |
↖ |
| 17:14 |
trinque |
make localmodconfig |
| 17:14 |
danielpbarron |
no, i compiled the dynamic foundation bitcoind |
| 17:14 |
trinque |
build it on a working linux, and you'll get a kernel config |
| 17:14 |
trinque |
with all current mods |
| 17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron because static didn't work because ? |
| 17:15 |
danielpbarron |
it didn't exist at the time |
| 17:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00022806 = 6.2032 BTC [-] {3} |
| 17:15 |
thestringpuller |
!t m s.qntr |
| 17:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 7D: 0.00020808 / 0.00020865 / 0.00021 (10000 shares, 2.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00020808 / 0.00024954 / 0.000301 (46659 shares, 11.64 BTC) |
| 17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 do we have it yet ? |
| 17:15 |
danielpbarron |
yeah the current release is static |
| 17:15 |
nubbins` |
bbl supper but quite interested in getting this sorted |
| 17:15 |
thestringpuller |
!t m s.mpoe |
| 17:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00019609 / 0.00022358 / 0.00025613 (1502516 shares, 335.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00019609 / 0.00028609 / 0.00033536 (17959206 shares, 5,138.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00019609 / 0.00034985 / 0.0004493 (81624050 shares, 28,556.94 BTC) |
| 17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron can you try it ? on a like... 3rd pogo ? |
| 17:16 |
danielpbarron |
sure |
| 17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. |
| 17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
so then the master here becomes, arch as per ascii, static as per current foundation release. |
| 17:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7869 @ 0.00022558 = 1.7751 BTC [-] |
| 17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
any questions ? any laments ? |
| 17:16 |
danielpbarron |
i tried to build it for my gentoo laptop and it errored out |
| 17:17 |
danielpbarron |
it's for 64 bit systems atm |
| 17:17 |
danielpbarron |
and mine is 32 |
| 17:17 |
danielpbarron |
idk if this also means it won't work on pogo or what |
| 17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, gentoo stopped supporting 32 bit ? |
| 17:17 |
danielpbarron |
no, 0.5.3.1 did |
| 17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
oh right. |
| 17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
shit. don't tell me the pogos are 32bit ?! |
| 17:21 |
trinque |
it would appear to be 32bit arm |
| 17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
o fucking hell check out the gross mismanagement i managed to bless the world with. |
| 17:22 |
thestringpuller |
!up assbot |
| 17:23 |
thestringpuller |
r |
| 17:23 |
thestringpuller |
!up ascii_field |
| 17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 so the emerging problem here is that while i said "ok" to 64 bit only foundation bitcoind, it turns out when need 32 bit support for our own fucking projects, which notably is the pogo. |
| 17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
now, can we has static etc 32 bit ? |
| 17:30 |
thestringpuller |
is netbsd still going to be the pogo "base"? |
| 17:31 |
danielpbarron |
thestringpuller, no way! |
| 17:31 |
danielpbarron |
is it being 32 bit a problem beyond getting bitcoind working? |
| 17:32 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron which bitcoind ? |
| 17:32 |
danielpbarron |
our version |
| 17:32 |
mircea_popescu |
seems that's 64 bit only now o.O |
| 17:33 |
danielpbarron |
i was lead to believe that getting it to work on 32 bit wasn't that big of a deal, just low priority |
| 17:33 |
danielpbarron |
i mean, is the pogo being 32 bit a bigger problem? like is 32 bit becoming obsolete or something? |
| 17:33 |
danielpbarron |
http://www.openbsd.org/images/poster31.jpg << theme for 5.5 was "back to the future" -- something about how 32 bit is a problem for unix time |
| 17:33 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HySUqb ) |
| 17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron everything's becoming obsolete eventually. but no, this isn't that. |
| 17:38 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2015#1055407 |
| 17:38 |
assbot |
Logged on 17-03-2015 15:07:01; mod6: anyway, it certainly is a goal to support x32. it'll just be in the next release. this has been dragging out too long. |
| 17:39 |
nubbins` |
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3324 |
| 17:39 |
assbot |
Bitcoin is running 32 bit systems out of virtual memory · Issue #3324 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTPPSZ ) |
| 17:40 |
nubbins` |
<+danielpbarron> i also had one going that was using a USB3 stick -- stopped it after a week or so when it was clearly way too slow <<< how far'd you get? |
| 17:41 |
danielpbarron |
well i didn't start it from scratch; I copied .bitcoin from the sata one |
| 17:41 |
danielpbarron |
http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Adanielpbarron+vs |
| 17:41 |
assbot |
40 results for 'from:danielpbarron vs' - #bitcoin-assets search |
| 17:42 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` that doesn;t apply : this is pre leveldb |
| 17:42 |
nubbins` |
ah look at that |
| 17:42 |
mircea_popescu |
they think "it may be fixed" because "anectodally" it doesn't seem to have displayed the behaviour. |
| 17:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00022541 = 7.123 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
basically, this would be prima facie evidence that the code the power rangers sign has very little to do with them. |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
they get it from a dead drop or something, and well, whatever. go to conferences. |
| 17:43 |
nubbins` |
the avionics systems haven't failed since last time, so we're pretty sure it may be fixed |
| 17:43 |
nubbins` |
seeya in the sky |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
"on this one plane i tried" |
| 17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
"which happened to run on a magically garbage collected computor that doens't exist anymore" |
| 17:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 306 @ 0.0034 = 1.0404 BTC [-] |
| 17:47 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> now, can we has static etc 32 bit ? << yeah. we'll put that at the top of the list. |
| 17:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.0002288 = 3.6379 BTC [+] |
| 17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 danke. |
| 17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
ok, so : pogo = arch as per ascii, static new bitcoind 32 bit as soon as foundation can bang it out. |
| 17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
moar comments ? |
| 17:56 |
danielpbarron |
it could be debian |
| 17:57 |
danielpbarron |
debian works well on pogo, i'm ircing from it right now |
| 17:57 |
danielpbarron |
the static bitcoind might work on that |
| 17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
it can't, it has no 32 bit support. |
| 17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
but iirc, a lot of valuable effort went into selecting and pepraring the os. what do you mean "it could be debian" ? |
| 17:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25167 @ 0.0002288 = 5.7582 BTC [+] |
| 17:58 |
danielpbarron |
so far i've gotton both debian and archlinux to work on a pogo |
| 17:58 |
danielpbarron |
gotten* / and debian is preferable because no systemd |
| 17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 17:59 |
danielpbarron |
but the dynamic bitcoind wouldn't work on it; this may be resolved with the "new bitcoind 32 bit" |
| 18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
dude this "let's try pluging things see what happens" approach only works if you actually test, and you're not tooled for the mindboggling thing this testing would be. |
| 18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta go with an os brewed by someone with some experience so as to have at least a fighting chance the whole thing works. |
| 18:01 |
danielpbarron |
ascii did not brew the OS i'm using |
| 18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
what happened there ? |
| 18:01 |
danielpbarron |
his instructions were strictly for building bitcoind for pogo |
| 18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
wasn't the bulk of that "how to load the os on it" ? |
| 18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you there ? |
| 18:03 |
danielpbarron |
i was holding out for the thing that gets installed in the eeprom |
| 18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, the os ? |
| 18:04 |
danielpbarron |
yeah |
| 18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
so what happened ? |
| 18:06 |
danielpbarron |
ascii was looking at netbsd for a time; there was some bug where it couldn't see the nand, plus we discovered nasty things about netbsd in general |
| 18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i see. |
| 18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically, i surmise, we'd have liked a clean "os in eeprom, data on disk" arrangement, but it seems we're not actually capable to do this, and so as a backstop you tried a few oses to go on disk |
| 18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
that basically it ? |
| 18:10 |
danielpbarron |
yeah |
| 18:10 |
danielpbarron |
ascii is probably capable, but he's also very busy |
| 18:10 |
danielpbarron |
i'm not so busy, but not so capable |
| 18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
i see. |
| 18:11 |
nubbins` |
arch, fwiw, has the most available documentation re: installing on pogoplug |
| 18:11 |
nubbins` |
but afaik there's no reason, say, gentoo wouldn't fly |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` the 128mb is the reason none of this flies. they all crawl so far. |
| 18:12 |
nubbins` |
consider the statement suitably modified |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, if anyone listening would like to try his hand at "make your fave os 128mb in eeprom"... |
| 18:12 |
jurov |
i can do C/system programming fine but gotta pay bills... stepped aside from this for now |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
there is that. |
| 18:13 |
danielpbarron |
oh, i guess the reason no gentoo was the kernel and userland are bigger; but if it's not going into the eeprom gentoo should work |
| 18:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00023581 = 1.9572 BTC [+] {2} |
| 18:13 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015395 |
| 18:13 |
assbot |
Logged on 10-02-2015 23:14:45; danielpbarron: asciilifeform, what about gentoo on the pogo? |
| 18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron we want os on the disk like we want wallets on windows. |
| 18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a horribru solution. |
| 18:14 |
danielpbarron |
right, but i'm just offering alternatives to ArchLinux (which is also on disk) |
| 18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 18:15 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: busybox is made for tight spaces |
| 18:15 |
trinque |
gentoo can do that |
| 18:15 |
nubbins` |
potential for wasted effort if the chosen os won't fit into eeprom down the road |
| 18:15 |
trinque |
I'm going to just buy one of these fuckers and pitch in |
| 18:15 |
trinque |
as if I don't have enough going on :p |
| 18:15 |
nubbins` |
trinque they're a treat |
| 18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` all effort in linux' is wasted effort! |
| 18:15 |
trinque |
pogo 4? |
| 18:15 |
nubbins` |
you should get a few |
| 18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
because the community is assholes etc. |
| 18:16 |
nubbins` |
we're assholes, yet here we are trying |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque you seriously should buy a box. |
| 18:16 |
danielpbarron |
trinque, yeah "Pogoplug Series 4" the one with purple logo |
| 18:16 |
trinque |
alright |
| 18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i bought hundreds. |
| 18:16 |
nubbins` |
blue logo if you want to store blockchain on usb stick ;p |
| 18:16 |
nubbins` |
i'm prob'ly gonna grab 50 or so once i'm satisfied i can make it work |
| 18:17 |
danielpbarron |
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/ |
| 18:17 |
assbot |
Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBgiGQ ) |
| 18:17 |
trinque |
nubbins`: eh? what's the difference in logo color? |
| 18:17 |
nubbins` |
blue logo has no USB3 or SATA |
| 18:17 |
nubbins` |
just USB2 and SD |
| 18:17 |
nubbins` |
http://www.henrys.com/67130-POGOPLUG-MOBILE-CLOUD-DEVICE.aspx |
| 18:17 |
assbot |
POGOPLUG MOBILE CLOUD DEVICE POGO-V4-A1-01 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBgshv ) |
| 18:17 |
trinque |
k |
| 18:18 |
trinque |
so I want red/pink/whatever |
| 18:18 |
danielpbarron |
also, the blue one cannot boot from usb |
| 18:18 |
nubbins` |
boots from SD tho! |
| 18:18 |
danielpbarron |
the purple has a usb2 port on the top next to sata port |
| 18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
<trinque> as if I don't have enough going on :p << hey, in my spare time i'm designing a fucking game. up to my neck in, of all things, mysql! |
| 18:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5533 @ 0.000232 = 1.2837 BTC [-] |
| 18:19 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: heh I don't mind; am merely setting expectations |
| 18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`: nm, that's not a flute << bwahaha |
| 18:20 |
nubbins` |
XD |
| 18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bturn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Soviet-sex-12.jpg << notice the male sex bits are crowned |
| 18:20 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1y2ZeRC ) |
| 18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
and the woman's butt has been spanked. |
| 18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
"Japanese society can be notoriously conservative when it comes to gender roles. While there is a lot of talk about the negative effects of imposing traditional roles on women, their restrictiveness and destructiveness for well-being are rarely mentioned in regard to men." |
| 18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
prime fucking nonsense. |
| 18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
"traditional" gender roles not only happen to be correct, but the costs of getting rid of them are, simply put, societal collapse. |
| 18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the notion taht they are "destructive" for either men or women is so idiotic as to wrap over the ridiculous threshold multiple times. |
| 18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
pro tip : not everything that's inconvenient is bad. on the fucking contrary. |
| 18:25 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
| 18:25 |
ascii_field |
was in a meeting, l0l |
| 18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
ok, so tell me about osen. |
| 18:26 |
ascii_field |
ok 30sec version |
| 18:26 |
ascii_field |
i've a http://buildroot.uclibc.org for pogov4 |
| 18:26 |
assbot |
Buildroot: making embedded Linux easy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBisX8 ) |
| 18:26 |
jurov |
i guess these roles were fit for manually working males, "inconvenient" for office rats |
| 18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov i dun see there's a difference. |
| 18:27 |
ascii_field |
but kernel dies during boot and have not so far had the time to determine why |
| 18:27 |
ascii_field |
since everyone seems to be 'axe time sword time coooming clooser' i guess it's time for me to actually fix it |
| 18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field well, i can see a 32 brew of bitcoind coming soonish, is this tacklable to go with it ? |
| 18:27 |
ascii_field |
i built for 32! |
| 18:28 |
ascii_field |
no one remembers? posted bins too |
| 18:28 |
ascii_field |
for armv5 (pogo) |
| 18:28 |
ascii_field |
on listserv |
| 18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
hm ? |
| 18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
unrelated. foundation release. |
| 18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess that'll be useful for mod6 as a reminder, tho i think he knows. |
| 18:28 |
ascii_field |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000039.html |
| 18:28 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HBiQ7T ) |
| 18:29 |
ascii_field |
no reason why the latest recipe can't build on my cross-chain |
| 18:29 |
ascii_field |
for armv5 |
| 18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
"PLEASE REMEMBER - these are for research use only. |
| 18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT firing these in anger. You may lose limbs." << recall that ? |
| 18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
it'll have to come off. |
| 18:29 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: not directly related |
| 18:29 |
ascii_field |
though it was used in the bin |
| 18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, wouldja focus here ? |
| 18:29 |
ascii_field |
the build recipe for the cross to armv5 was called 'portatronic' |
| 18:29 |
ascii_field |
yes, trying to describe from beginning |
| 18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
forget the 32 bit issue, mod6 is working on that. |
| 18:30 |
ascii_field |
unless some bug was -introduced- since i last played with bitcoind, it should work ok on 32 |
| 18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field so back to os topic. |
| 18:30 |
ascii_field |
aha? |
| 18:30 |
nubbins` |
<+ascii_field> no one remembers? posted bins too <<< i remember! |
| 18:31 |
nubbins` |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000039.html |
| 18:31 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1zKPVvv ) |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
well, how soon can we have it ? |
| |
↖ |
| 18:31 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: basic idea is that we mustn't ship with a kernel built by some random bozo |
| 18:31 |
ascii_field |
(but by known bozo!) |
| 18:31 |
nubbins` |
oh fuck, why don't i read |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` you get all excited :D |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field i said that above eh. |
| 18:32 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 18:32 |
trinque |
any reason not to use pogo with an sd card for the blockchain? |
| 18:32 |
trinque |
or should I get this usm thing |
| 18:32 |
nubbins` |
much of today will be useful in the future, i'm putting a pin in it |
| 18:32 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: how soon can we have it << i personally will dust it off tonight and say where it's at before i turn in for the night |
| 18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
danke. |
| 18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque you should try the sd if you're doing research. |
| 18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
we've not tried it much. |
| 18:32 |
trinque |
k |
| 18:33 |
danielpbarron |
store blockchain on SD card? that will take forever to sync |
| 18:33 |
ascii_field |
i tried this |
| 18:33 |
ascii_field |
not so hot. |
| 18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe he has good sd cards. |
| 18:33 |
ascii_field |
sd is a few 100 kB/sec in practice |
| 18:33 |
danielpbarron |
the 5400 rpm sata drive takes long enough |
| 18:33 |
ascii_field |
serial protocol, ~33MHz iirc |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron you gotta appreciate the following point : people have diff items hanging around ther house |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
and time is not much of a constraint here. |
| 18:34 |
ascii_field |
sd card isn't typically built for 100% duty cycle either |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
so it takes 6 months to sync instead of 4. oookay ? |
| 18:34 |
ascii_field |
(normal application is more something liek a camera) |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
if it runs for55 years ? |
| 18:34 |
danielpbarron |
might be interesting to see if an already synced .bitcoin directory is copied over to SD card and see if it can simply keep up |
| 18:34 |
trinque |
I am fine with doing the tortoise test |
| 18:34 |
ascii_field |
neh more like 2yrs vs 6mo |
| 18:34 |
ascii_field |
but -no one- must take my word for it |
| 18:34 |
ascii_field |
always - measure. |
| 18:34 |
trinque |
mostly interested in helping with the OS |
| 18:34 |
nubbins` |
cough |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field you on the other hand have to appreciate the ricochet benefit. |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
let the man fucking play with things already |
| 18:35 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron i'm wondering same but re: usb thumb |
| 18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` that's tested and sucks. |
| 18:35 |
nubbins` |
ok but what's sucks |
| 18:35 |
trinque |
http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Elite-Performance-Speed-Class/dp/B00HIKBW1G/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1427236380&sr=1-4&keywords=sd+card |
| 18:35 |
assbot |
Amazon.com: PNY Elite Performance 64GB High Speed SDXC Class 10 UHS-1 Up to 90MB/sec Flash Card - P-SDX64U1H-GE: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBkgiU ) |
| 18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
very low speed |
| 18:35 |
trinque |
claims 10mb/sec |
| 18:35 |
trinque |
write |
| 18:35 |
nubbins` |
like 11 minutes to digest each new block sort of low speed? |
| 18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
more like 20 |
| 18:36 |
nubbins` |
f off, srs? |
| 18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
it was atrocious. |
| 18:36 |
nubbins` |
o.O |
| 18:36 |
danielpbarron |
maybe i did it wrong or something; USB3 theoretically should be very fast |
| 18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
usbs have never been seriously optimised for FILMING TO THEM |
| 18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
some sds were. |
| 18:36 |
nubbins` |
hahah |
| 18:36 |
ascii_field |
i got pretty good results with usb3 |
| 18:36 |
nubbins` |
yeah, fine |
| 18:36 |
ascii_field |
(samsung) |
| 18:37 |
trinque |
seems the above sd is intended for yeah, filming |
| 18:37 |
danielpbarron |
maybe it's a bad thumb drive i have |
| 18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
but as the guys say, maybe you find the magic stick. |
| 18:37 |
trinque |
buying it |
| 18:37 |
nubbins` |
so you're saying a synced .bitcoin/ copied to a usb2 thumb drive |
| 18:37 |
nubbins` |
and put into a pogo |
| 18:37 |
nubbins` |
will not pull down another block? |
| 18:37 |
danielpbarron |
nono, usb3 |
| 18:37 |
danielpbarron |
and no, i haven't tried that |
| 18:37 |
nubbins` |
i said usb2 on purpose 8) |
| 18:37 |
trinque |
I like how they put 90mb/sec with a fucking asterisk on the thing's sticker |
| 18:37 |
nubbins` |
pogoplug mobile = usb2 |
| 18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` more like, it'll never catch up. |
| 18:38 |
trinque |
that will someday be the contracted form of "isn't" |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
lol trinque |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
quite |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
"here's a large unrelated number *" |
| 18:38 |
trinque |
bullshit everywhere! |
| 18:38 |
* |
trinque bought |
| 18:39 |
danielpbarron |
would my .bitcoin/ data dir from 0.7.2 be compatible with 0.5.3.1 ? |
| 18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, the situaton is : usb not usable for storage for our purposes, sd maybe usable. if one wants guidance, that's guidance, if one wants to do testing, that's your falsifiable hypothesis. |
| 18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron it should be yes. |
| 18:39 |
danielpbarron |
hm, that's my most up-to-date copy |
| 18:39 |
nubbins` |
same version of db? |
| 18:40 |
danielpbarron |
http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/02/building-bitcoin-0-7-2-on-openbsd/ |
| 18:40 |
assbot |
Building Bitcoin 0.7.2 on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1y33fp8 ) |
| 18:40 |
ascii_field |
anyways i'ma do another buildroot tonight. |
| 18:40 |
danielpbarron |
curl -O http://download.oracle.com/berkeley-db/db-4.8.30.NC.zip |
| 18:41 |
nubbins` |
danielpbarron assuming same bdb, i'd say they're interchangeable |
| 18:42 |
nubbins` |
we'd want, class 10 sd? |
| 18:42 |
* |
nubbins` admittedly knows zilch about sd |
| 18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
class sexually adult, if it existed. 18+ |
| 18:44 |
nubbins` |
so uhs 3 |
| 18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067542 << for the record, moving is easy, but a year later and with tons and tons of support and roots and whatnot i still throw almost-daily tantrums |
| 18:44 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 13:06:50; asciilifeform: the 'pathology' was that these people imagined they wanted to move to japan, but what they -actually- wanted was: -to have always lived there- |
| 18:45 |
nubbins` |
http://www.amazon.ca/Transcend-TS128GSDU3-Speed-UHS-3-Memory/dp/B00J3KA8JG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427237075&sr=8-1&keywords=sd+card+128gb+uhs+3 |
| 18:45 |
assbot |
Transcend TS128GSDU3 128 GB High Speed 10 UHS-3 Flash Memory Card 95/60 MB/s: Amazon.ca: Computers & Tablets ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBmnmL ) |
| 18:45 |
nubbins` |
30MB/s writes if it's up to spec |
| 18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
it usually goes like "omfg, argentines are fucking retarded" "unlike who, romanians ?" "but look at X!" "myeah..." "you got a point. fucking people." |
| 18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067551 << which is why japan even still exists anymore. they made it to california, that imploded, now they're moving to texas and places. i was kinda snickering at trinque's explosion yest, bexause well... texas won't survive the idiots either. |
| 18:47 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 13:08:20; nubbins`: a lot of them don't make it to japan |
| 18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
it doesn't have a policy to take out libtards and shoot them. so it's doomed. |
| 18:47 |
trinque |
austin's being infested with californians, yep |
| 18:48 |
nubbins` |
callafornee |
| 18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i loved texas in 2004ish. san antonio esp. |
| 18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
but i wouldn't revisit. |
| 18:49 |
trinque |
time to time I regress to the delusion that somewhere within the state's there's still actual entrepreneurship |
| 18:49 |
trinque |
*states |
| 18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, like the american beauty notion that somewhere in the obnoxious bitch that's anette benning there's still the girl that flashed helicopters. |
| 18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
"just gotta find the right zit to pop, and out she goes" |
| 18:50 |
trinque |
lol |
| 18:51 |
BingoBoingo |
https://twitter.com/jerod23/status/580443354934210560 << more PHPain |
| 18:51 |
assbot |
Bug in forum software let people on while set offline DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF GOING OFFLINE TO SPEED REBUILD! Now my IP only hence 403 msg |
| 18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i see you got the boards delivert ? |
| 18:53 |
nubbins` |
re: bitseed node, are they using refurb HDDs or something? |
| 18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo i somehow doubt that guy has a problem with traffic. |
| 18:53 |
nubbins` |
SBC and 160GB hdd for $149, how they makin money! |
| 18:54 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Apparently he popped a RAID earlier this week and started his rebuild with the site still up |
| 18:54 |
nubbins` |
bahaha |
| 18:55 |
nubbins` |
<his disks> :( |
| 18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo guy runs a blogspot blog and has 50 followers. what difference does it make if its publicly visible or not. |
| 18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
public's not looking. |
| 18:56 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: It's his othersite with woes http://www.crazymeds.us/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage |
| 18:56 |
assbot |
Finding the Treatment Options that Suck Less | The Good, the Bad & the Funny of these Crazy Meds ... ( http://bit.ly/1y36v43 ) |
| 18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
o look, 403 didn't work either. |
| 18:58 |
trinque |
http://www.cafepress.com/crazymeds/10704145 << insanity is a lifestyle |
| 18:58 |
assbot |
Medicated for Your Protection : Straitjacket T-Shirts ... ( http://bit.ly/1y36T2r ) |
| 18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
im sure it's the damned forum bug. |
| 19:04 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker |
| 19:04 |
gribble |
Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 248.63, Best ask: 248.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 248.7, 24 hour volume: 62580.95742971, 24 hour low: 241.39, 24 hour high: 268.44, 24 hour vwap: None |
| 19:04 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
| 19:04 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 349081 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1702 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 12 hours, 12 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52114624863.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.55256 |
| 19:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00023166 = 5.3398 BTC [+] |
| 19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067616 << would not this problem be adequately solved with a huge slab of steel / al / we ? |
| 19:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 13:21:38; nubbins`: the $300 one has... a domestic oven element. http://imgur.com/KJqDivg |
| 19:05 |
trinque |
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/turkey-guilt-ridden-japanese-engineer-kills-self-harakiri-style-over-bridge-collapse-627096 << not harakiri as I understand it, but still |
| 19:05 |
assbot |
Turkey: 'Guilt-Ridden' Japanese Engineer Kills Self Harakiri-Style over Bridge Collapse ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBr0wZ ) |
| 19:06 |
mircea_popescu |
more points scored for japan than everything the us state dept did past decade put together. |
| 19:09 |
trinque |
I doubt I have the culture to even talk about honor but that seems in the ballpark |
| 19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
actually americans used to be pretty honorable as far as these things go. |
| 19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
then they became reasonable instead, sometime around ww1/ww2. by now... |
| 19:12 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu huge slab of steel = unreasonable heat-up times, plus the thing'd fall over frontwards |
| 19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought this was used on a feeder, not 1 shirt at a time |
| 19:13 |
Pierre_Rochard |
http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/24/apple-acquires-durable-database-company-foundationdb/ < NoSQL just became NoDB. Everyone who jumped on that bandwagon got their comuppance |
| 19:13 |
assbot |
Apple Acquires Durable Database Company FoundationDB | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1y3awFz ) |
| 19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
if you do 1k of the things, metal is actualy very reasonable. just the right sort of q inertia |
| 19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
Pierre_Rochard heh. |
| 19:13 |
nubbins` |
this is a "Flash dryer" for semi-drying inks on-press between colors of ink |
| 19:13 |
trinque |
Pierre_Rochard: oh codd |
| 19:13 |
nubbins` |
i lay down a print, swing the arm 90deg to the left |
| 19:13 |
nubbins` |
dwell 10s while i print the next one, rotate again etc |
| 19:14 |
nubbins` |
THAT SAID, people can and do use the huge-coil ones |
| 19:14 |
nubbins` |
philippines in particular has a massive amount of small-industry silkscreen and almost all of them are using dismantled ovens for curing |
| 19:14 |
jurov |
actually that is what i meant, office rats can't really have honor. and without honor, also no role |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov why couldn't they ? |
| 19:15 |
nubbins` |
which everyone thought was odd, until one guy from there explained how many ovens an actual flash cure would cost |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
see, to propose honor is somehow in the job ie external rather than i nthe person seems nonsense. |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
besides, historically, every new job was deemed to be "devoid of the possibility of honor" |
| 19:15 |
nubbins` |
you see some wild setups. like shirts being hung on a clothesline and wheeled across a 30 foot bank of hung oven elements |
| 19:15 |
nubbins` |
etc |
| 19:16 |
jurov |
honorable person would refuse such job |
| 19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno about that. |
| 19:16 |
jurov |
know any counterexample? |
| 19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
now, you're right in saying that gender is not really an attribute of lower life forms, and if one becomes a part of some sort of machine the gender's useless to them, which is how we got bees and ants in the first place. |
| 19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
nevertheless, i dunno that there's something magical about the office automatically requiring this. |
| 19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
the uk ran offices of perfectly respectable folk for all of the 1800s. |
| 19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
for that matter - being A DOCTOR is becoming more like this, and wasn't like this before at all - it was the very pinnacle of liberal profession. |
| 19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
so i agree that punishing the plebs for being "bicurious" or "metrosexual" or "gender confused" or "Transsexual" or w/e is really silly, they're simply sexless. |
| 19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
but this does not flow from "office job" imo. |
| 19:18 |
jurov |
both cases were primarily defined tby going out and talking/doing something to people, not pushing papers and filling forms |
| 19:18 |
nubbins` |
hey, some people in office jobs have sharp teeth |
| 19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov not sure socialisation is the key here. for instance, navigators perfectly honorable, except if not. |
| 19:19 |
jurov |
um, i can't put the finger exactly there |
| 19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
then again, pirates invented the "honor among thieves" thing which is what we're fundamentally continuating here. "how could there be rule of law otuside of usg ?!?!" "same way there was rule of law in the fucking bahamas" |
| 19:22 |
trinque |
jurov: are you equating office with cube-hell? |
| 19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
and this is where it comes out that mp sees only very moderate problems with "honor killings", for instance, as atrociously intoilerable they may seem to the libertard set. meanwhile mp sees some problem with say "hospital deaths", as totally benign and normal and expected they seem to the same set. |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
but not subscribing to that particular silly manicheism allows one to see that really, the modern story of "libertard society driving out honor society (aka, amusingly, honorata societa)" has everything to do with a happenstance : |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
that scientists happened to prefer working with one of the available ideologies rather than the other. there's nothing ~fundamental~ about the "well being" of democracy. |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
it all flows from packaging and selling other people's added value, and those other people are pointedly not part of the democracy, nor is their donation necessary in absolutely any sense. |
| 19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so, on the score of "what is bitcoin disrupting" : getting scientists to donate to a honor-based system rather than to a socialism-based system will utterly restructure society. |
| 19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
/end rant |
| 19:27 |
trinque |
hm yeah, and the thing has inertia. places with scientists are better places for scientists, that sort of thing? |
| 19:27 |
BingoBoingo |
!t m s.mpoe |
| 19:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00019609 / 0.00022267 / 0.00025613 (1540463 shares, 343.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00019609 / 0.00028556 / 0.00033536 (17997385 shares, 5,139.37 BTC), 30D: 0.00019609 / 0.00034935 / 0.0004493 (81056609 shares, 28,317.29 BTC) |
| 19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
truth is scientists can't really be anything but scientists. |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
if they buy into the entire "socialist nice" thing, as exemplified by say the original dispute that created this place, or whatever recent quiote from some linus criticism of poettering's or w/e, you get one sort of failure mode of science. |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
if they buy into the entire honor thing, you get a different failure mode. |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
in principle whichever ideology (ie, principle of societal organisation) offers best insulation from failure modes will prevail. |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
since somehow "tradition" was for a while cognate with "don't need to read or write or even know history, tradition is what i say it is", there was a major, multi-secular migration towards "liberalism" |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
as that shit's coming to hit the fan with its "equality" and whatnot, the whole tectonic plaque's going to come this way again. |
| 19:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00022649 = 6.1605 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
and so on. it's not just the dusk of "america", it's the end of "democracy" and liberalism etc. |
| 19:31 |
trinque |
this way being hierarchial power structures, wealth defining governance? |
| 19:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00022532 = 2.6024 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
this way being hard to pinpoint yet, but mostly a wot based, loose and half anon, gpg empowered, bitcoin measured thing. |
| 19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
we're getting a new body, it's wot-innervated and bitcoin-perfused and im starting to guess the musculature etc. |
| 19:32 |
trinque |
mhm |
| 19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
most things too early to tell really. |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
for lolz, contrast this with the entire "we don't understand bitcoin but are excited at the blockchain technology" thingee. |
| 19:34 |
jurov |
these scientists need to be funded, and somehow despite mpex, this isn't happening |
| 19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
gossip networks and fault tolerant pow. stuff that was there for decades. "we don't understand what matters but we'll stick to clutching at the straws we recognise" |
| 19:34 |
jurov |
alf's everyday ramblings are case in point |
| 19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
suddenly the "don't need to read or write" shoe is on the other, liberal foot. |
| 19:34 |
trinque |
jurov: seems like it's early days |
| 19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov yeah, most infants have dayjobs too, the feed themselves o.O |
| 19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
read the case in point in say henry millers' books. the guy DROVE the sexual revolution, |
| 19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
he'smore a part of it than max fucking hardcore. |
| 19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
he also starved. |
| 19:35 |
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Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC to rise vs USD in March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1125/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 77(Y):23(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.088943 BTC. Current weight: 16,043. |
| 19:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33589 @ 0.00022402 = 7.5246 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
money comes after the glory. |
| 19:36 |
trinque |
good documentary about the band Death that invented punk rock |
| 19:36 |
trinque |
bunch of black dudes from Detroit |
| 19:37 |
trinque |
the leader there died of alcoholism or something along those lines |
| 19:39 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: the permanent social memory thing; that's what interested me in deedbot |
| 19:40 |
trinque |
whatever's said there lasts at least as long as the currency |
| 19:40 |
trinque |
hell of a mark of cain |
| 19:41 |
jurov |
fuck the starvation |
| 19:41 |
jurov |
goodnight |
| 19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov i couldn't agree more. |
| 19:44 |
trinque |
I have to admire someone who dies with a finger pointed at someplace better. |
| 19:45 |
trinque |
though I admire more the man who creates the better place |
| 19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
in the end, different people. |
| 19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque people always wanted to fight forgetfulness huh. |
| 19:51 |
trinque |
I don't follow |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
lemme find you the quote |
| 19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
Pedalavo come se fuggissi, e in realtà fuggivo. Da lei, da quelle emozioni, dai sogni, dai ricordi, da tutto e pensavo che dovevo dimenticare. Ero certo che sarei riuscito a dimenticare, ma oggi che sono vecchio, che ho consumato banalmente la vita, che ho conosciuto tante donne che mi hanno detto: Ricordati di me e io le ho scordate tutte, ancora oggi e lei lunica che non ho mai dimenticato. Malena! |
| 19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
you seen that movie ? |
| 19:53 |
trinque |
I haven't |
| 19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
ah, check it out sometime |
| 19:54 |
trinque |
k |
| 19:55 |
trinque |
should I be able to parse the quotation without the film? |
| 19:56 |
trinque |
comment on obsession? |
| 19:58 |
mircea_popescu |
well... on memory. |
| 19:58 |
mircea_popescu |
but no, i dun think its meaningful without the film |
| 19:59 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/memorial-university-students-give-rotten-cafeteria-food-a-failing-grade-1.3007569 |
| 19:59 |
assbot |
Memorial University students give 'rotten' cafeteria food a failing grade - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xfo6dR ) |
| 20:01 |
pete_dushenski |
aramark funken blows |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067650 << guy that brought singapore from just under india to just above uk through five decades of caning. |
| 20:01 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 13:28:54; asciilifeform: in other news, lee kuan yew is dead |
| 20:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00021681 = 2.6559 BTC [+] {2} |
| 20:04 |
pete_dushenski |
singapore is now apple without steve jobs |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
well, going to china anyway |
| 20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067669 << quite. except, there's a difference between understanding and controlling. |
| 20:06 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 13:45:18; nubbins`: put another way: those who are unable to judge the character/nature of others are more likely to wish for escape, and their disability follows them to their new life, where they make the same sort of mistakes they'd make at home |
| 20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067693 "You're not seeing "a kid" that "made" "X money" with "a story". You're seeing an economic process. It's an ad. It converts to some degree, like any ad." |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 13:56:10; asciilifeform: reminds me of how when clinton was half-heartedly prosecuting microshit for antitrust violations, some 'think tank' (cato? i forget) had a 'microsoft defense fund' that the public was invited to contribute to ! |
| 20:09 |
funkenstein_ |
bring your air filter |
| 20:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00023166 = 5.166 BTC [+] |
| 20:09 |
funkenstein_ |
i just watched "under the dome" documentary on china air pollution |
| 20:09 |
funkenstein_ |
good evening gentlemen |
| 20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067728 << they had one here last year. |
| 20:10 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 14:20:55; asciilifeform: the kind involving armoured trucks, rockets, demolition charges |
| 20:10 |
pete_dushenski |
"Get ready to ride in style Singapore, we’ve added supercars to the Uber platform. Starting this Saturday, March 21st, you will be able to request a Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder or Maserati GranTurismo Coupe to come pick you up." << yew moves out, uber moves in. |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
buncha guys broke a coupla 17 yos out of juvenile detention. a |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
amusingly, the guy they were actually there to break out had already escapeds. |
| 20:12 |
pete_dushenski |
funkenstein_ did they feature the peri-air ? |
| 20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067737 << so wait, the case can only close if man = bad, woman = good ? no other outcome available ? |
| 20:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 14:22:59; asciilifeform: 'Longo said the case is suspended, not closed. He said the fact that investigators could not find evidence doesnt mean that something terrible didnt happen to Jackie.' |
| 20:13 |
funkenstein_ |
pete_dushenski, no i hadn't heard of it |
| 20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
why would anyone partake ? "i am not taking part in your kangaroo mockery. you want to either win or flip again, i dun have time for that" |
| 20:13 |
pete_dushenski |
!s canned air |
| 20:13 |
assbot |
1 results for 'canned air' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=canned+air |
| 20:13 |
pete_dushenski |
^yup. that'd be the one |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067739 << lulz of all fucking time. |
| 20:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 14:25:53; nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/ksBVtHB.png |
| 20:14 |
pete_dushenski |
straight out of space balls. |
| 20:14 |
funkenstein_ |
wow |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
seriously, women want to feel like something (even cancer) would fuck em ? heh |
| 20:15 |
asciilifeform |
back |
| 20:15 |
nubbins` |
wb |
| 20:15 |
pete_dushenski |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiabeNR_q0U << classic mel brooks |
| 20:15 |
assbot |
Perri-Air - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRpnb1 ) |
| 20:16 |
asciilifeform |
<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform i see you got the boards delivert << aha see pics |
| 20:16 |
trinque |
#makers << my sides |
| 20:18 |
asciilifeform |
would not this problem be adequately solved with a huge slab of steel / al << i did say. |
| 20:19 |
asciilifeform |
Japanese Engineer Kills Self Harakiri-Style over Bridge Collapse << mega-respekt!!! |
| 20:19 |
* |
asciilifeform takes off hat |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
office rats can't really have honor << wtf sure they can |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
but then again it is rather like saying that sewer rats could read reddit (yes, the occasional iPnohe falls into a street drain.) |
| 20:22 |
* |
Adlai is starting to warm up to ada: http://archive.adaic.com/standards/83rat/html/ratl-13-03.html#13.3.2 |
| 20:22 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1xfpE7J ) |
| 20:22 |
asciilifeform |
getting scientists to donate to a honor-based system rather than to a socialism-based system will utterly restructure society << funnily orlov is 100% with this program, in his own peculiar way |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ...the original dispute that created this place... << now i'm curious |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
what was it. |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
<jurov> these scientists need to be funded, and somehow despite mpex, this isn't happening << jurov has it, unfortunately. we are in the jungle still. |
| 20:25 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: gmaxwell's anti-porn/free-speech stance |
| 20:25 |
BingoBoingo |
!up decimation |
| 20:25 |
nubbins` |
S.LORDSHIP-GENERAL-PROJECT-FUNDING |
| 20:25 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: have you tested the boards? |
| 20:25 |
nubbins` |
or, what was it the guy tried to pass off? "the peerage" |
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| 20:26 |
asciilifeform |
Adlai: starting to warm... << one of the two practically-usable programming -systems- (note, i didn't say 'languages') designed by and for thinking people |
| 20:27 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: yes, tested. see photos. |
| 20:27 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: not proper test (will have to happen in weekend) but does output visually correct results. |
| 20:29 |
decimation |
where's the pics? |
| 20:29 |
asciilifeform |
in log, 1sec |
| 20:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1067561 |
| 20:30 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-03-2015 13:10:21; asciilifeform: in other news: http://imgur.com/YqbQh33,VN8dqBv,xJ6WGhl,nTPgWYW,WX6hpiT#4 |
| 20:31 |
decimation |
ah I was looking for png |
| 20:33 |
decimation |
well, it doesn't short, and has serial-ly output somewhere, these are good things |
| 20:33 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: it's a 100% analogue device, actually |
| 20:33 |
asciilifeform |
well, 99% |
| 20:34 |
decimation |
I've been thinking about building a 'geiger counter' rng like herr walker's |
| 20:34 |
asciilifeform |
not especially hard |
| 20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/a-little-bit-of-bitcoin-history/ |
| 20:35 |
assbot |
A little bit of Bitcoin history pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xfqLUU ) |
| 20:35 |
asciilifeform |
ty mircea_popescu |
| 20:36 |
* |
asciilifeform blew dust off pogotron and warming up |
| 20:36 |
asciilifeform |
considerably easier now that i have it booting off the lan |
| 20:37 |
asciilifeform |
('i want too!' -- then see listserv) |
| 20:37 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-03-2015#1064748 < yeah, this might make more sense - a conventional drone with missile. the important point is that these would be loitering at random radii and altitudes, making apriori 'air defense' clearance difficult |
| 20:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 23-03-2015 06:08:33; ben_vulpes: <decimation> I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants... |
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| 20:38 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: did you get the remote u-boot console working? |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i did, long ago, and replaced with real serial console |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
which is considerably more pleasant to use |
| 20:38 |
decimation |
i imagine so |
| 20:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00021568 = 1.3696 BTC [-] |
| 20:40 |
BingoBoingo |
http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/12228/mac-plus-modern-web/ |
| 20:40 |
assbot |
Plugging a 1986 Mac Plus into the modern Web ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRtiod ) |
| 20:40 |
BingoBoingo |
^ latest in tradition of people doing this |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
lol, CONFIG_SERIAL_MPSC_CONSOLE |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
^ not in buildroot menus, because tards |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
or alternatively, 'quit believing the docs' |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
hint to others: NEVER 'make clean' on a working buildroot cross-compilation tree |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
nukes the toolchain (incl. gcc) too. |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
that's another hour or three that i will have no useful output. |
| 20:43 |
decimation |
lol is that a freebsd feature? |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
linux |
| 20:43 |
decimation |
ah |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/headline-story/12210/anarchist-cookbook-history-usenet << mega-l0l |
| 20:44 |
assbot |
‘The Anarchist Cookbook’ and the rise of DIY terrorism ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRtPqu ) |
| 20:44 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: did you see this http://www.manux.info/en/ |
| 20:44 |
assbot |
The Manux operating system ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRtQuu ) |
| 20:44 |
decimation |
it's an utterly crippled version of 'linux' with all the crud stripped out |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
'Withstanding zero-day attacks in userspace' << by definition impossible |
| 20:44 |
decimation |
it also is apparently nonfunctional |
| 20:44 |
decimation |
"Uh, many. It's currently text-only, its IP stack isn't functionnal and will have to be partly rewritten, privilege-checking isn't implemented, it can't handle more than one hard drive..." |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
very bad phrasing right off the bat |
| 20:45 |
asciilifeform |
can't speak for anything else in there |
| 20:45 |
asciilifeform |
appears to be vaguely minix-flavoured |
| 20:45 |
decimation |
my daughter loves to watch Кро́т cartoons now |
| 20:46 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i never saw the animated one. only had the book |
| 20:46 |
decimation |
heh I didn't realize there was a book |
| 20:47 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: http://royallib.com/book/novotni_y/krot_v_gorode.html |
| 20:47 |
assbot |
Новотны Й. - Крот в городе, скачать бесплатно книгу в формате fb2, doc, rtf, html, txt ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRujN4 ) |
| 20:47 |
* |
asciilifeform has not checked the quality of the scan |
| 20:47 |
asciilifeform |
could be full of spam |
| 20:50 |
decimation |
somewhat related, apparently you can order books, music, dvds from amazon.de for 3eur + 3eur per kg shipping (to the us) |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
woah that was fast |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
(build finished) |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
still no dice though. no console output |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
found shitgnomery though |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
where it apparently strips flags one added manually to .config |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
for no particularly good reason |
| 20:55 |
brendafdez |
This is weird, do I lose cloak when using the web interface? :/ |
| 20:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah |
| 20:56 |
brendafdez |
not nice. |
| 20:56 |
BingoBoingo |
You lose cloak with webchat, also logging |
| 20:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00021322 = 2.9424 BTC [-] |
| 20:57 |
brendafdez |
what does it mean I lose logging? local logs? bc I do see it in the online log for the channel |
| 20:58 |
brendafdez |
Neteller will gladly take your bitcoin in exchange for their tokens, at no cost. You can proceed to then spend them through their debit card and such... http://www.coindesk.com/neteller-bitcoin-deposit-policy-reversal/ |
| 20:58 |
assbot |
NETELLER Adds Bitcoin Deposit Option in Surprise Policy Reversal ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRvUTb ) |
| 20:58 |
brendafdez |
No bitcoin payoutsa, however |
| 21:01 |
BingoBoingo |
The local logs |
| 21:01 |
Adlai |
brendafdez: identify before joining the channel and you'll be cloaked |
| 21:02 |
Adlai |
even better, use sasl (Auth to services: ☑) |
| 21:04 |
nubbins` |
!s bitnodes |
| 21:04 |
assbot |
9 results for 'bitnodes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitnodes |
| 21:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00021321 = 2.2067 BTC [-] |
| 21:11 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
| 21:11 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 246.32, vol: 19197.38270643 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 247.456, vol: 13466.6437 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 246.32, vol: 64980.74454729 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 249.99, vol: 47.82915974 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.810164, vol: 199545.78660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 247.04008, vol: 29.82396973 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 247.8613, vol: 143.09772369 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) |
| 21:15 |
funkenstein_ |
bezzle over 4 millies again |
| 21:15 |
funkenstein_ |
anybody give me a book review? http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/1530.cfm |
| 21:15 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DWf47X ) |
| 21:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00021305 = 3.1105 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:20 |
mod6 |
alright, new droplet created for x32 deb6 testing. |
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| 21:22 |
Adlai |
;;more |
| 21:22 |
gribble |
Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. |
| 21:22 |
Adlai |
;;more BingoBoingo |
| 21:22 |
gribble |
average: 244.688886748 |
| 21:24 |
BingoBoingo |
brendafdez: http://dpaste.com/3Z7TTT1 |
| 21:24 |
assbot |
dpaste: 3Z7TTT1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GRA2T2 ) |
| 21:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00021457 = 4.4845 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Science isn't a big ycombinator fan either http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/24/a_couple_of_ycombinators_startups.php |
| 21:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00021655 = 4.2011 BTC [+] |
| 21:47 |
mod6 |
x32 OpenSSL built: requires adding -m32 flag to ./Configure & setting: SSL_ARCH_TYPE=linux-generic32 |
| 21:47 |
mod6 |
will work on bdb & boost... will publish findings/changes to mailing list when complete... |
| 21:47 |
nubbins` |
pin woot |
| 21:50 |
trinque |
danielpbarron: ^ |
| 21:50 |
* |
danielpbarron nods |
| 21:52 |
mod6 |
bdb built |
| 21:52 |
mod6 |
building boost... |
| 21:53 |
asciilifeform |
'This might be unduly harsh, but if Atomwise can do what they say, why are they on Ycombinator? Pull up to a big pharma, ask for some minimally proprietary data, and let the computers go to work. It'd be like printing winning lottery tickets.' |
| 21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yeah you did say, and yeah i guess pretty much everyone honestly trying has figured out the same thing, if not necessarily apt to express it. |
| 21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
re orlov. |
| 21:56 |
asciilifeform |
speaking of... |
| 21:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/financial-feudalism.html |
| 21:56 |
assbot |
ClubOrlov: Financial Feudalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjO0cO ) |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> where it apparently strips flags one added manually to .config << ahahaha |
| 22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
such logical. |
| 22:00 |
asciilifeform |
since phixed |
| 22:01 |
mod6 |
ok statically linked bitcoind x32 version built & pulling blocks. |
| 22:01 |
asciilifeform |
now trying to find which of the 5 supported marvells is actually compatible with kirkwood |
| 22:01 |
asciilifeform |
(which, naturally, isn't) |
| 22:01 |
mircea_popescu |
<brendafdez> No bitcoin payoutsa, however << a) nothing surprising about it and b) everyone wants to get as many btc as humanly possible before having to admit it. |
| 22:01 |
asciilifeform |
i would dearly love to know what kind of 'open source' the folks who built that archlinux kernel practice. |
| 22:01 |
asciilifeform |
where, for instance, is their config ? |
| 22:02 |
mod6 |
it's 1 change to the auto.sh file, & have to have the 3 vars at the top set correctly. I'll post a copy of this auto.sh, a diff to the 64 bit version and a diff to the original portatronic version yet tonight. |
| 22:02 |
asciilifeform |
they are in violation of gpl and, if anyone were actually concerned with this, would be made to swallow a hammer or whatever it is that is supposed to happen to such hooligans |
| 22:02 |
mod6 |
> 15000 blocks & counting... |
| 22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tHsZRRZGenI/VQ2bzk35ARI/AAAAAAAAGR8/Dyutk4-Qy6Q/s1600/Feudal.png << this is pretty idiotic. |
| 22:05 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FDlHfO ) |
| 22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
this is why i don't like reading orlov. the propaganda angle doesn't bother me as much, but the millitant, sheer ignorance does. |
| 22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
find a fucking count that was allegiant to a duke in the entire history of feudalism. |
| 22:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10805 @ 0.00022068 = 2.3844 BTC [+] |
| 22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i am willing to bet, on the strength of that diagram, that his disneyland notions of "feudalism" preclude him even knowing WHEN in time this happened |
| 22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
protip : no, it's not 1550, that's the cinquecento in italy, feudalism is already dead and rotting everywhere. |
| 22:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: he's using a ru dictionary, betcah |
| 22:07 |
asciilifeform |
*betcha |
| 22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
even so. |
| 22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
russia did not exist. the various duchies were not even feudal ffs. |
| 22:07 |
asciilifeform |
aha but the man's dictionary |
| 22:08 |
asciilifeform |
duke outranks count there, so. |
| 22:08 |
thestringpuller |
cyrptofeudalism is awesome |
| 22:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"outranks" is a purely courtly consideration |
| 22:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"what order do they follow the monarch in" |
| 22:09 |
mircea_popescu |
by the time anyone cares about this feudalism was long defeated. |
| 22:09 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case : counts as in, counts palatine, counts of the hre, etc, were sovereign. |
| 22:09 |
mircea_popescu |
dukes did not by and large exist, unless you mean dux, which was a leader of fucking cataphracts |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: he meant герцог |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
marsh lord, what is known as marquis, actually outranked counts at court, chiefly because being the lord of a marsh he had much more legal power than the head of settled land |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
this is pretty clear |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
hertzog |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
and on and on and fucking on it goes. |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform that's a count |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
nope |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
граф |
| 22:10 |
mod6 |
ok im gonna stop this thing, rebuild one more time for good measure, then will create diffs & publish. |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
see i can tell where he got it. |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
grof ? that's a hungarian/polish count. |
| 22:11 |
asciilifeform |
and guess what other kind. |
| 22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, more power to you, but really... |
| 22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
"here's what i remember of this bad translation of a phenomena by some people who didn't live it, and who are so far from me culturally i in turn have no idea. let's make an infographic and educate reddit." |
| 22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
pssssshhh |
| 22:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i'll add that this is (or was) sop in ru world |
| 22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
ima insist this is no path to understanding |
| 22:12 |
asciilifeform |
sorta like those 'c' programmers who #define'd themselves BEGIN and END blocks |
| 22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
it may be a path to "respek" an autoritah |
| 22:12 |
asciilifeform |
it's an ill habit, sorta like the elaborate rules for mistransliterating german and english |
| 22:12 |
asciilifeform |
(in ru) |
| 22:12 |
decimation |
landgraf |
| 22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 22:13 |
decimation |
^graf who reports directly to emperor |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation landgraf aka margrave aka march lord is a post-feudalist construct |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
"about half the power a count used to have back when the counts of belgium dominated france, for to protect the country borders" |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
(march = marsh = border, in this understanding. strips of marginal and thus uninhabited lands) |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. the peak of feudalism is around the peak of things like the tournoi as a public sport. |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
it was ending just as the hansa was coming into its own. |
| 22:15 |
* |
asciilifeform thought that this was reasonably well known |
| 22:15 |
decimation |
The German titles of Landgraf, Markgraf, and Pfalzgraf bei Rhein are in the same class of ranks as Herzog ("duke") and above the rank of a Graf ("count"). |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform unapparent from the orlov piece. |
| 22:15 |
decimation |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landgrave |
| 22:15 |
assbot |
Landgrave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDonu2 ) |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation before long you'll be looking into subtle distinctions such as between "king of germany" and "king in germany" |
| 22:16 |
asciilifeform |
'salute the uniform, not the man!' (TM) |
| 22:16 |
decimation |
Herr Fredrick took the "of" for himself |
| 22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
but basically, feudalism and metalwork almost look as a zero sum game : as the latter develops the former fades |
| 22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
(in favour of the centralised state) |
| 22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
in NO CASE was feudalism replaced by capitalism tho. |
| 22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
this is like saying bows were replaced by submachine guns. well... no. at absolutely no point had people using bows encountered people using submachine guns. |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i can tell he's using the su version of capitalism (it being, 'what is left when you subtract stone age + feudalism + communism from the cosmic background hiss) |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
perhaps an argument can be brought for places like sicily cca 1930, but it is still very tenuous. |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the problem with using a language is that you're stuck using it according to itself tho. this is like, orlov horribly mauled a teenaged girl and you're like "well clearly the bear thought her cunt's salmon." |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
this may be true, but the girl's still pretty badly bloodied. |
| 22:20 |
asciilifeform |
or, less crackpottishly, the idea of ascendancy of the merchant class probably equals capitalism in his head |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
the merchant class was ascendant cca 1300! |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
which i wager is before he thinks feudalism STARTS |
| 22:20 |
decimation |
polish calvary charging the motorized wehrmacht? |
| 22:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26066 @ 0.00021246 = 5.538 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation that cavalry was not feudal tho. prussian military. |
| 22:20 |
decimation |
ah true |
| 22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
it was imperialism vs early steampunk democracy |
| 22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
sort of a rehash of napoleonic conflicts. |
| 22:21 |
decimation |
fredrick inspired much socialistoid bureaucracy too |
| 22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
the centralised state can only be a centralised state after all. |
| 22:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10235 @ 0.00021359 = 2.1861 BTC [+] |
| 22:23 |
decimation |
my male line lived under the landgraf hesse-homburg for at least 400 years |
| 22:23 |
decimation |
it was rolled up into prussistan |
| 22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
"A new system of economic relations was brought into being, based on money that could be generated at will, in the form of debt" << this is EXACTLY unrelated to capitalism. |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
for most of the industrial revolution, late 1600s to early 1900s, this view was exactly not held. |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover, as late as during ww2, the west thought the war is mostly about preventing exactly that. |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean shit, you can't go around conflating everything you don't know about for chrissakes. |
| 22:24 |
* |
mircea_popescu has angrily closed that blogspot |
| 22:25 |
asciilifeform |
unrelated, |
| 22:25 |
asciilifeform |
i can tell none of you tried to build pogo's vendor kernel |
| 22:25 |
asciilifeform |
(perhaps can already guess what happens) |
| 22:26 |
nubbins` |
doesn't work! |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
no |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
doesn't build |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
on any modern toolchain |
| 22:27 |
decimation |
And in fact there was a rear-guard action, launched in May of 1944, just before the Bretton Woods Conference, by a group of influential New York bankers, who very much hated the Bretton Woods agenda. They offered to lend Britain at least $3 billion dollars after the War, in return for which Britain would walk away from the Bretton Woods Conference. Clarke and others in the British Treasury wanted to pursue this idea. But Keynes would |
| 22:27 |
decimation |
have none of it. ... Because he wanted to be known as the man who overthrew the gold standard and replaced it with a new, rational, managed international monetary system. So he very much had his own personal legacy at heart here. <http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/benn_steil_on_t.html |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
nor is there any ready means for determining which un-modern combination of tools it -did- build on |
| 22:33 |
mod6 |
http://dpaste.com/1YQR1W7 << look good? |
| 22:33 |
assbot |
dpaste: 1YQR1W7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDsSF2 ) |
| 22:37 |
mod6 |
pulled over 70k blocks |
| 22:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 300 @ 0.00354894 = 1.0647 BTC [-] |
| 22:38 |
decimation |
;;ticker |
| 22:38 |
gribble |
Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 247.2, Best ask: 247.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 247.25, 24 hour volume: 65365.6785161, 24 hour low: 241.39, 24 hour high: 267.49, 24 hour vwap: None |
| 22:46 |
mod6 |
it seems a bit silly to post a patch also back to the original portatronic version for this. anyone have any objections if i just publish a full copy of the 32bit auto.sh and a patch of auto.sh to the previous version (v0.0.5 included in the -RELEASE) ? |
| 22:47 |
|
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| 22:48 |
danielpbarron |
what does the portatronic thing do differently? |
| 22:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, we're unthreading all of the vocabulary today! |
| 22:51 |
asciilifeform |
danielpbarron: specified toolchain for possible cross-compilation |
| 22:51 |
danielpbarron |
that's it? i thought maybe it patched stuff in the source or something |
| 22:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14728 @ 0.00021005 = 3.0936 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:52 |
mod6 |
going once... going twice ... SOLD! to the man with 3 letters and integer in his nick |
| 22:55 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
| 22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation quite. |
| 22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
so to conflate "modern idiotic usgtronics" with "capitalism" which in turn conflates with "everything minus stone age, feudalism, and the soviets" is... |
| 22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
well distilled imbecility, frankly. |
| 22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
"teach the faux controversy mayhap people forget shit doesn't have tyo be eaten" |
| 22:57 |
asciilifeform |
still no boot, with this >> http://dpaste.com/2Z0E50V.txt |
| 22:57 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FDyajC ) |
| 22:57 |
asciilifeform |
(kernel config) |
| 22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron there wouldn't normally be huge differences. |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
building for arm922t which, as far as i can tell, marvell is compatible with. |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
hangs on jump into kernel. |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
just like the... 57? previous linux kernels i built for this thing. |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
no signs of life. |
| 22:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12633 @ 0.00020725 = 2.6182 BTC [-] |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically no os whatsoever builds on these things ? |
| 23:00 |
asciilifeform |
http://dpaste.com/2MSHFN2.txt << buildroot config for completeness |
| 23:00 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FDz0Nj ) |
| 23:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: not quite. netbsd builds |
| 23:00 |
decimation |
keynes threw england into the shitter just so he could 'win at the game of life' |
| 23:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it is the -only- thing i was able to build from source and actually get a shell on |
| 23:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: hence why i spent so long on it |
| 23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
hm |
| 23:01 |
nubbins` |
kirkwood has 2x sata? |
| 23:01 |
asciilifeform |
http://buildroot.uclibc.org << anyone who wants to re-create my experiment, now can |
| 23:01 |
assbot |
Buildroot: making embedded Linux easy ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDziUy ) |
| 23:01 |
asciilifeform |
use the two configs posted just now. |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
one is buildroot's, the other is the kernel's |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: 1 |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
or wait |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
if you're thinking of speed - 2 |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
(1 connector, 2x speed) |
| 23:02 |
asciilifeform |
oh, and in case this wasn't clear, |
| 23:03 |
asciilifeform |
-none of these os-en build on the machine itself!!!- |
| 23:03 |
asciilifeform |
must use cross-compiler |
| 23:03 |
nubbins` |
"Two SATA 2.0 ports with integrated PHYs" |
| 23:03 |
* |
nubbins` shrugs |
| 23:03 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: one's a phantom limb, i think |
| 23:03 |
nubbins` |
a |
| 23:03 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate, precisely one plug. |
| 23:04 |
nubbins` |
"security engine"! |
| 23:04 |
asciilifeform |
we don't use it for anything |
| 23:04 |
asciilifeform |
does - would you believe - accelerated xor. |
| 23:04 |
decimation |
one sign that nobody is rich today is that nobody could possibly dream of floating the national debt of england |
| 23:06 |
nubbins` |
or a sign nobody's been that poor before |
| 23:07 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform> nubbins`: one's a phantom limb, i think << Phantom limbs got me much less excited about the latest Sun hardware I'd been investigating when the problem of keeping a post 2016 blockchain would have been a big challenge. (IDE limited to sub 127 GB, USB 1.1, and Firewire ports unsupported in OS of choice which means gambling on PCI USB 2.0 card working for moar storage) |
| 23:07 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> does - would you believe - accelerated xor. << megalol |
| 23:08 |
BingoBoingo |
In other news I discovered apparently firefighting trains exist |
| 23:12 |
nubbins` |
http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/sheevaplug/install.xml |
| 23:12 |
assbot |
Gentoo Linux Documentation-- Gentoo on the Marvell SheevaPlug ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDC6Ru ) |
| 23:12 |
nubbins` |
might be something of interest there |
| 23:12 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: there most certainly was not. |
| 23:13 |
asciilifeform |
was first place i looked way back when. |
| 23:13 |
BingoBoingo |
sheevaplug seems to be different beast for reasons only Vishnu knows |
| 23:15 |
asciilifeform |
that isn't why |
| 23:15 |
BingoBoingo |
sorry, reasons only Vishnuplug knows |
| 23:15 |
asciilifeform |
just that there is no meaningful detail in there about config for 3.18 |
| 23:15 |
asciilifeform |
(or anything else) |
| 23:18 |
asciilifeform |
anyone here have pogo with debian running? |
| 23:18 |
asciilifeform |
please extract the config & post |
| 23:18 |
asciilifeform |
zcat /proc/config.gz > config.txt |
| 23:18 |
asciilifeform |
note that this may or may not work depending on whether the kernel was built with this enabled |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
if no one has debian, but someone has arch - please post that |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo, mod6, danielpbarron, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes ??? |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
punkman ? |
| 23:22 |
* |
BingoBoingo yet to try .foundation build as spec'd, mostly has moar weird in his plan pipeline |
| 23:22 |
nubbins` |
gzip: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory |
| 23:22 |
nubbins` |
haha wat. |
| 23:23 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: snipped to save space then |
| 23:23 |
asciilifeform |
but it means that there is no way to replicate the kernel build short of catching the perpetrator and slowly roasting him over a fire |
| 23:23 |
nubbins` |
http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/sheevaplug/install/configsheeva fwiw |
| 23:23 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FDERlN ) |
| 23:23 |
nubbins` |
(probably 0) |
| 23:23 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: not 3.18 ! |
| 23:23 |
nubbins` |
right, 2.6 |
| 23:24 |
nubbins` |
don't mind me |
| 23:27 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/X3GhWU7u |
| 23:27 |
assbot |
config-3.16.0-kirkwood-tld-3 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDFZpD ) |
| 23:28 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: from where ? |
| 23:28 |
nubbins` |
http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,12096 |
| 23:28 |
assbot |
Linux Kernel 3.18 (FDT) and 3.16 (non-FDT) Kirkwood package and rootfs ... ( http://bit.ly/1FDG3Wh ) |
| 23:28 |
mod6 |
http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000071.html |
| 23:28 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FDGaRG ) |
| 23:28 |
nubbins` |
this is the guy from http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html |
| 23:28 |
assbot |
Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaLl9S ) |
| 23:28 |
nubbins` |
which is what i followed to get my pogo up and running |
| 23:29 |
nubbins` |
but i think the guide i used was for 3.18 |
| 23:29 |
nubbins` |
shrug |
| 23:29 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: ty, about to test it |
| 23:29 |
nubbins` |
np, lmk! |
| 23:31 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ls |
| 23:31 |
gribble |
What do you think I am, a shell? |
| 23:32 |
asciilifeform |
woah the sheer amount of turdage in that one |
| 23:32 |
nubbins` |
it's looooooooooong, hey? |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
crapolade that is not possibly used for anything, ever. |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
i mean, it's 10x the size |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
every possible sound card, gpu,... |
| 23:33 |
nubbins` |
i thought i accidentally pasted twice when scrolling down to pastebin submit button! |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
no |
| 23:34 |
nubbins` |
"for GoFlex Home/Net, Pogoplug E02/Mobile/V4, iConnect, Dockstar, Sheevaplug, NSA320, NSA325, Topkick, and all other Kirkwood plugs that are already in the mainline" |
| 23:34 |
nubbins` |
in other words, bring your own scissors :0 |
| 23:34 |
asciilifeform |
and that is why ten thousand joysticks ? |
| 23:34 |
nubbins` |
ha |
| 23:35 |
asciilifeform |
still building |
| 23:35 |
asciilifeform |
and for who knows how long. |
| 23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
!up eric |
| 23:37 |
BingoBoingo |
!up eric |
| 23:37 |
nubbins` |
shrug |
| 23:37 |
nubbins` |
!up eric |
| 23:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17314 @ 0.00021445 = 3.713 BTC [+] |
| 23:38 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker |
| 23:38 |
gribble |
Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 247.58, Best ask: 247.72, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 247.97, 24 hour volume: 65174.61242121, 24 hour low: 241.39, 24 hour high: 267.49, 24 hour vwap: None |
| 23:38 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: no signs of life |
| 23:38 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: from that kernel. |
| 23:39 |
asciilifeform |
(the extra mass in the config was actually from building every possible module. which went into the rootfs and had no impact on the kernel proper) |
| 23:39 |
nubbins` |
boo. didja try 3.18 or .16 |
| 23:39 |
asciilifeform |
anyway it's just as dead as the last maxint kernels |
| 23:39 |
nubbins` |
ah |
| 23:39 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: 3.18 |
| 23:39 |
asciilifeform |
which comes with buildroot |
| 23:39 |
asciilifeform |
using your config |
| 23:43 |
nubbins` |
hm |
| 23:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00021445 = 3.9244 BTC [+] |
| 23:50 |
BingoBoingo |
perhaps pogolinux is actually just OS/2 with gratuitous text substitution? |
| 23:52 |
* |
BingoBoingo also learned today all of his most exotic fire extinguisher ideas have largely been incorporated into class D fire extinguishers already except for the DU based supressant idea |
| 23:53 |
asciilifeform |
the famous kerosene fire extinguisher. |
| 23:53 |
asciilifeform |
(hey it extinguishes - eventually.) |
| 23:53 |
BingoBoingo |
And the carbon tetrachloride fire extinguishing grenade |
| 23:55 |
BingoBoingo |
JetA puts out fires pretty well though provided you are flicking a cigarette butt into a bucket of JetA most of the time |
| 23:57 |
BingoBoingo |
God dammit, coyotes are back already this year |
| 23:59 |
nubbins` |
he's got config files going back to 3.8.11 fwiw |
| 23:59 |
nubbins` |
all hyooj |