#trilema | 2019-04-11

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907947 << moving into an imaginary "upmarket" of fast food, now that they've fucked the very concept of human alimentation in the us huh.

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Logged on 2019-04-10 17:45 PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907838 << you might not know if you avoid places they put ads (tv), but in their recent ads McD has been talking up their beef

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i guess coca-cola will end up a manufacturer of "fine vermouth", and western union will be a sorta cvasi-bank.

13:26

coke is a tasty drink

13:26

PeterL, slash rust stripper.

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in other news, OriansJ fellow never actually came back for air after all, did he ?

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I know it is bad for me, I could quit anytime I wanted to

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I haven't seen him return.

13:27

nevermind quitting, just you know, start drinking some actual drinks. buy yourself a and press, make some fresh squeezed oj, you lived in florida didn't you ?

13:27

a hand press*

13:27

looks almost exactly like a beer draught thingee, but considerably better for you.

13:27

That was TaT, PeterL is in Michigan. Needs a cider press for dem apples.

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oh oh. sat.

13:28

I'm in MI, yes (although I did just spend a week in florida last month)

13:29

so make some cider.

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the truth of postmodernism is that tooling is so widely available, it costs ~same to buy a pellet of coca-cola and buy a cider making station.

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unlike buying the coke, making the cider is ~fun~. even if you don't employ butt-naked girlies under the whip at the task. it's fucking fabulous for "traditional" fambly ranged children too!

13:31

don't let alf be the only one to take advantage of this whole "pay for xrays ? i'd rather buy the fucking xrayer" bounty we came to see.

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I have a couple apple trees in my back yard, maybe this year I will try making some cider (they are still kinda little, had only a handful of apples last year)

13:31

for one thing, it won't last, and there's nothing quite as bitter as the regrets of children who missed out on shit in their disinterested parents' house.

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PeterL, do they do the whole farmer market / people on side of road seling produce where you are ?

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yeah, we do have a market here

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for eg, i bought last winter something like 50 kgs of extremely ripe mangoes for like 15 bux or so it was ?

13:32

woah i just got a coupla kB of above in <1s

13:32

fleanode oddities.

13:33

made so much jam, we barely finished it as we were leaving. fucking fabulous.

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asciilifeform, welcome back lol.

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mp_en_viaje: did i visibly netsplit at your end ?

13:33

nope, but i guess it was silentsplit or something.

13:33

nsasplit lol

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anyway, my point is -- if you have multiple cars, it PAYS to have a ditch installed in garage, within the year, heck within 6 months you'll pay for it from reduced maintenance bills. and so following.

13:34

the re-feudalisation of the world is in full swing, and this is precisely how it goes.

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mp_en_viaje: the flip side is that one can end up like asciilifeform , i.e. with dozen tonnes of ??? , from xray cabinet to that weird wrench one uses to swap water heater coils

13:35

same is true across the board -- if you have even a cursory interest in something, owning some machinery is a great move. this includes food, obviously enough, but if you have spare femhands tailoring is QUITE reasonable. then they can dress BETTER than what any fashion catalog can provide, and for pennies on the dollar as what those idiots charge.

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same with houses -- yurp is fulla doods who built their own. and so on. everything -- if you have more than a cursory interest, buy the tooling.

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asciilifeform, it is your own damned fault. i don't try to run a harem by myself, fuck my own ass.

13:36

every "real man" should have a toolbox and know how to use it

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( phood also -- asciilifeform eats icecream strictly from pet's icecream-production machinery, etc )

13:36

if you had a dozen bois working with you, as calfe, as god fucking intended it...

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ie, your problem is entirely self-manufactured, by hermitry.

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hey if i knew how, would have full submarine crew by nao, lol

13:37

ever tried putting an ad up ?

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same local paper they do castign calls in.

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asciilifeform pictures ye olde 1990s gag ad for 'linux airlines' . the 1 where 'come at 1200 hrs with cardboard panel ready to strap to arm and flap'

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Pantsuit killed the useful category of ad to put up.

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mp_en_viaje can't find wtf calfa is in english. turk kalfa. apprentice ?

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intern?

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asciilifeform: Isn't there a Uni right around the corner from you? Put up a poster in the engineering department or wherever the "nerds who build stuff" hang out

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PeterL, i thought the intern is more the ancient "candidate", ie, bureaucrat sticking around for no pay. like that celebrated schmuck "helping out" on wikipedia admin board, "because he thinks he's being useful". "until someone tells him to stop".

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well, there are unpaid interns and paid interns, also depends on the org

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more like officious intermeddler than the item intended here, "supernumerary sex slave nobody finds the time to fuck"

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PeterL, does the org feed the intern ?

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lol another 8kB in <1s

13:42

it's as if wiretap monkey were hand-carrying a floppy

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where I work we get college student who are in chem-related fields to come and wash our glassware, we train them to do whatever menial tasks, they get tiny pay but it looks good on their resume

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Better ad would be in ye olde "Adult gigs" of the flavor "Seeking female students to star in short films, ongoing collaboration and South American beaches possible for the right bitches"

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PeterL: at one time (long before i found out about mp's uni ad flyers) i put up some ads there; guess what result ? ( buncha grad students begging to have their homework done , and offering such laffably small bakshish that it was not worth for asciilifeform to even turn key in car )

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PeterL, i dunno, the institution has some very strict constraints. for one thing, it must be ~personal~, if there's not a master personally responsible for the individual dork, it's not kalfi, it's something else. and yes, they're supposed to sit around and eat lunch with you.

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Now the short films in this case would NOT be porn, there's too much of that. I would instead be how to videos. Whatever homework alf has for chick, end product is bottomless instructional video.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalfa << the wiki article is remarkably on point for a wiki article.

13:47

Water heater coil changes, toyota waxing, cider pressing, whatever.

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BingoBoingo: i can't speak for erry fortress of us.academitardia, but in mine, the ~only chix in the engineering hall were 'dark meat' in hijab

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( and even these, ~1 per ~100 or so cocks )

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item was the basis of the guild revolution in europe (because yes, ottoman contact, incl "fall" of constantinople -- more properly, RISING of ~) was very highly +ev for the yurpeans, culturally.

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Well, don't recruit in engineering. I never spec'd that. Go for nutrition, early childhood education, etc.

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asciilifeform, females screaming for rescue ain't gonna be fgound in engineering.

13:48

basically what he said. "psychology", "business", whatever.

13:49

Just avoid the local facultad de derecho, that's probably irredeemable damaged goods with soldered on pantsuit

13:49

i wouldn't bet.

13:49

when mp_en_viaje wrote that he trained these to do useful work, i believe. but it is a world-class feat, like kuklachev's famous housecat circus. i dunno that it's been replicated.

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asciilifeform, aim for the kiklachev -- even if you fail it's likely to be an achievement. rather than aim for "reasonable in modern democracy" -- even if you succeed it'll disappoint.

13:50

it's always best to fail at taking over the world, than to succeed at taking over wales.

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leaving aside the matter where asciilifeform's meat-training skill is approx on par with his mig pilotage skill -- mp_en_viaje would bust gut laffing if he knew how uniquely poor asciilifeform is set up for subj. e.g. as it is , i dun even have physical sq. metrage for a hypothetical #3 crew.

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asciilifeform reliably ends up replicating 'nazi uboat' wherever he lives. complete with bulkheads

13:54

hey, i constantly end up with this problem, and my answer is always the same : get satellite dwelling, then get larger main, then end up getting satellite again, and so on.

13:55

can't limit self by walls -- it's not a prison, it's a house, meaning walls are cut according to your size, and not your size according to walls.

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limited by budget, not wall per se

13:55

nothing wrong with getting +ev newbies.

13:55

consdier that it is A LOT cheaper for you to host marginal added girl than for her to "live independently".

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a pot that feeds five, will feed six.

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we could rehash the convo where I say "you could move over here and get twice the floor for half the cost" and then you say "but muh fancy cheezes!"

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[insert thrd here]

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mp_en_viaje had deviled eggs made yest. 16 eggs = 32 halves + 7 for mayo. in other words, whole fucking carton, plus lb of deli meat etc. all went within the day, but i care not -- next time, 45!

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and in field kitchen, no less ? a++

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sent a half dozen to neighbour, too (specifically because by now i know how to work the tolerances into the experimental data). poor woman nearly inhaled them. "omg so good". yes, duh, have some elbow-made mayo sometime, half the calories, twice the epicurean gainz.

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asciilifeform, ah, not field, i'm most comfortably setup here.

13:58

leased palace, like phf in his india days ?

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PeterL, which is deeply fucking ridiculous, for one thing he's away from cheeseland anyway, and for the other cheeses transport. except the fresh stuff, of course-- i bought some urda you couldn't believe.

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asciilifeform, quite.

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including Z shaped porn couch, quite satisfyingly hosts 3+ on their back.

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pretty neat

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to have, one must first seek.

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but anyway, if your per-capita budget is 2-3k, which is luxuriously generous in my experience, half a dozen actives means you can afford to rent whatever the fuck, and adding a 7th will positively not show in the grocery weeklies.

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"they had sprots, so i bought three dozen cans" incidentals way, way the fuck overwhelm any "well, i now have to buy flower ever slightly more often, nooblet also eats bread".

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to get back to numbers, if your per-capita budget is in the 2-3k, the marginal addition needn't even be specifically financed. but it's sub 500 in any case. she can't fucking live on 500 a month anywhere else.

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mp_en_viaje: funnily enuff, when i was in ro bought sample of erry tin claiming to contain sprat. then brought home and sampled. not 1 compares to the gost standard riga item.

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speaking of cheese, I have heard this local party store has a strangely amazing selection of cheese https://eastmanpartystore.com/gourmet/cheeses/

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asciilifeform, im sure.

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for some reason they dun sell the riga sprat in ro, i cannot fathom why; but only weird german knockoff

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must be condition of nato membership or sumsuch

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asciilifeform, i don't expect you'd find it most places, really. do they sell it in maryland ?

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mp_en_viaje: they do!

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2 $ / ea

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lotsa ru folx marooned here, not only asciilifeform , lol

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PeterL, not to be an ass, but direct experience over years has by now convinced me it simply can't be the case new world makes cheese.

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mp_en_viaje: it ~doesn't, most of what's edible is flown in

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asciilifeform, i tend to buy the lithuanian variant.

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the majority of list there is imported from Europe

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mp_en_viaje: the 1 in glass jar ?

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yes

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these here also. i grew up with the riga (i shit thee not, there is a gost standard, and they still bake to it..) variant tho

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oddly i dun see it online.

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i haven't yet found online vendor, funnily enuff

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anyways, it's a thing, people can rationalize it to themselves as "well, he likes anchovies, so this is like that"

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the sprats live in old-fashioned meatspace shops run by elderly emigres

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how they do the import, i do not know to this day

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i can believe.

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http://docs.cntd.ru/document/gost-280-2009 << oblig. gost spec for sprat.

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PeterL, ah i see, after the fold. sure, "Parmigiano Reggiano", why not, if it's what it says it's what it says. though "pecorino reserva" for instance, says nothing to me.

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pecorino is just a kind o fcheese. like you'd say "our legume shop has beans from reserve". ok...

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mp_en_viaje: near as i can tell , ~nobody in north amer knows how to make edible soft cheese. hard -- some (at exorbitant price) yes

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right, some descriptions could improve the list

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old rotterdam is a very specific item ; "gouda 36 months' is like "vodka, clear"

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price , for edible cheese , tends to 100 - 200 $ / kg.

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PeterL, nevermind description, a ~clear and verifiable indication of origin~.

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it's like the tex-mex style restraunt that says $item comes made with a "white queso blanco cheese"

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there's a very substantial difference between "coffee imported from costa rica" and "coffee from santa margarita plantation in alajuela, costa rica"

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lol picture if they somehow had to print the troof on the package. '10% mass brutto : coffee imported from zimbabwe ; 90% -- sawdust sweepings from sawmill in montgomery, alabama' etc

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and so scrolling to france : Henri Hutin 60% Brie is correctly indicated, though i'd never buy it, wtf hutin. meanwhile "Raclette" gimme a break. why not "cheese", be done with it.

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asciilifeform, i don' t begrudge supermaerket brands their discretion. but if you're trying for the upscale colonials, you'd gotta be an idiot to put up this visibly intern-made list. only impression it produces is "the author has no fucking idea what he's talking about".

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understand, raclette is not even a denomination d'origine. it's made in fucking canada afaik. it's ~same as "melted cheese".

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my guess is somebody looked at the case of cheeses and just wrote down whatever the biggest word they saw on the labels

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asciilifeform wonders what % of various items marketed in usa with claimed 'french', actually from canada

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it seems quite likely, yes.

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problem with that approach is that the somebody ~didn't specifically buy~.

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you'd want to break into my wine cellar and steal some bottles ~because i bought them~. specifically because, my cellar doesnt contain the contents of a crashed delivery van.

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could be different people, the one who buys and the one who makes website

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much like you'd break into alf's ffa and read some lines. same reason.

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PeterL, but WHY ? "could be different people, the one who cuts, and the one who sutures". yes, could. hanbot's surgeon came to inspect room and bathroom next day.

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specifically because he'll be damned if his 10k an hour handiwork is gonna be ruined by some $5 an hour maintenance dorks. makes sense, dunnit ?

14:18

not everybody is website expert, guy who likes selling cheese might hire a webdesigner

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and also hire someone off fiver to "do copywright" ?

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bankers also not web experts, hopefully they put their own data in the "banking app", as opposed to "tell web designer to make some accounts there too"

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good point, I guess

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gotta go to yurp sometime. everything's cheap these days, a grand or so for airfare ain't the end of the world. stay a week or two, try the cheeses, have definite, personal experience for rest of life. it's no tthe worst way to spend a vacation,

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mp_en_viaje : asciilifeform + pet still not recovered from doing this in '17!1111 nao errything tasteslikeshit

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but at least you know.

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eh, knew before. but nao mouth also remembers

14:25

better than blowing the ~same load over at disneywor;d or w/e, esp if it's the 5th trip or some shit.

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pay money to wait in line, i could never understand those people.

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asciilifeform innocent of subj, cannot comment

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just saying, you know, what do people do for vacation. used to be "go to vegas", okay, i get it, high roller, picking up the casino cocksuckers cold and shit. fine, fine. most people now there, wasting their life a coin at a time on the dingdingmachines would be so much happier somewhere ~they never heard of~.

14:27

the most galling thing is that actual food in ro, costs <= to what pig slop costs in ameritardistan.

14:27

people tend to overfavour the shit they heard about, and to their own detriment.

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asciilifeform, yeah, it was fucking cheap wasn't it.

14:27

errything cheap there. we had coupla thrds.

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the only item that aint cheap is passport, lol

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mp_en_viaje will end up there too, at some point.

14:28

we did disney (everybody kept telling us the kids would live it!) I regret it, was not worth the price

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kinda what i hear from ~everybody.

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and yes not only food. cab ride around town in timis - ~$1 . (washingtonistan, similar kilometrage : ~100)

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yeah it's not even a buck a mile is it.

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or the palaces, which cost less than a decent auto in clintonistan

14:31

even fucking germany is cheap as dirt. for one thing, they show up within 3-4 minutes in these utter boats of a mercedes or w/e, you've never seen cars like that outside an imaginary 50s us.

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and then it's like... 1mark40 per km. gimme a break, really ?

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euro i mean. but whatever, it's not THAT bad.

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meanwhile new york, say la guardia to empire state, bout 10km or so, 40 bucks easy.

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40 in 2000s. easily double nao

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I have a co-worker, every year she goes to Vegas for a week (with her mother), buys some purses and eats junk food. I don't understand it.

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PeterL: i suspect defensive mechanism. most of these folx, if went even to timis, would come home and eat their .45

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asciilifeform, chick would prolly end up married.

14:35

just last night, asciilifeform takes walk with pet, and 'hey , why can't we have parks here'

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there's a large contingent of indiana/ohio/whatever ~0 sexual market value wilting cows coming to costa rica to score husband.

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mp_en_viaje: as i understand ( from mp_en_viaje's chronicles no less ) they do. but usually in arabistan, where they somehow like fat

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asciilifeform, well, the 1.40 up to MAYBE 2 or so, is quite recent. germany is shockingly cheap for cabs, especially if one considers the exceptional quality.

14:36

what are you looking for in a park?

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asciilifeform, there's a lot of female-fat tolerance in tico culture too.

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PeterL: even sumthing as basic as a) 0 detectable smell of auto exhaust + b) no anti-hobo spikes on benches

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what is the point of a spiked bench ? ritual object ?

14:37

0 in usa meet spec, unless i suppose you go to the mountains

14:37

none of the parks here have anti-hobo spikes

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i don't think i've ever seen one...

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where do the spikes go ?

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mp_en_viaje: i have nfi what is point, but ~100% of park benches in large ameri-urban have'em

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they go in the middle of bench (or if it is longer than 2 arses' width, they make arse-sized slots )

14:38

aahahahaha. buttslotted benches ?!

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yep. standard in usa.

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at least on east coast.

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so if she leans over to kiss you she'll get stabbed in the tit ?

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aha.

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not very fake-boobs-friendly culture, is it.

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and just try an' lie down & read book

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mp_en_viaje: in ustarded cities, 5-10% of population is hobo. but Official Troof is that 0. hence various machinations to hide'em

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german cops very useful btw, they know where shit is!

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asciilifeform, i remember doing the math sometime, much to us-born chicks' shock and awe, came out that ANY US CITIZEN has ~50% chances to be hobo during lifetime.

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depending on who counts as hobo -- larger.

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<+asciilifeform> 0 in usa meet spec, unless i suppose you go to the mountains << I dunno about that, there are plenty of clean air parks around where I live

14:41

really put the acceptance of "this statistics thing, is genuine science" to the test. then we took to retrospective fambly history, even more horrified. "omg it's true"

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"now consider how well hidden your own experience was from you"

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mp_en_viaje: many 'secret' hobos, who still can afford to run auto, and live in that

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these, not visible by counting benches etc

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myeah.

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asciilifeform personally knew several

14:43

PeterL, michigan used to be like the pollution capital of the us, at some point. deindustrialization has its advantages huh.

14:43

it's been a while since lake Erie was literally on fire

14:44

meanwhile i'm sitting in this cafe, the table next, 4 chicks, one overweight, cucky dood. the table further away, three chicks, one overweight, cuky dood. the bar, three doods, salivatinursing beers.

14:45

there's ~fewer~ people here derping on their phones non stop, us-style "either actively eating or pissing, else clucking at shiny screen". nevertheless, millenial awkwardness is quite omnipresent.

14:46

point in case : 5 euro buys you phone line with all sorts of free, EXCEPT sms. those are 1 cent ea. get me ? voice calls, those are free (in most circumstances, and 3k monthly minutes for the one combination of exceptional things where they actuallt charge something). but not sms-en.

14:46

i suspect, specifically because these tards are so awkward, calling someone is "too much pressure".

14:47

how the fuck can you spend 50 hrs/month calling is anyone's guess, i'm not sure i spent that long on the phone since i was born

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and i started WAY the fuck before ~everyone else.

14:47

if average phone user has had phone for > decade -- i, for >2decade. yet...

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diana_coman

mp_en_viaje: ugh, from direct experience I can tell you some find it very easy to spend 50hours/month calling - I knew girls who were literally ALL the time on the phone

14:56

i suppose this is even a trope

14:56

lolwtf. whatever happened to 'voip' etc

14:57

asciilifeform, well, i don't use the derpy smartphones

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i'm speaking of the 'spend $$$/mo' people

14:57

btw, saw a very cool thing, basically a modern remake of ye olde razor. fliphone, all elegant and shit. bought it, only to discover...

14:58

lemme guess, it was the faux-razor where emulator in java

14:58

SMS not free here either, funnels derps into Whatsapp as the universally agreed upon replacement.

14:58

nfi, it runs java or some shit. basically loses about 10% of the voice load, can barely understand what user is saying

14:58

mp_en_viaje: well-known scamola. there's a pseudo-nokia 'remake' on same shitware.

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sad, too, i'd have actually carried it as accessory.

14:58

i ended up digging through pile of these when looked for 'dumbphone with whitelist knob' coupla yrs ago

14:58

( spoiler : found 0 )

14:59

they're phasing out classic ('2g') gsm here, and the vintage units soon-ish will no longer connect

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hence dig

14:59

its unsurprising, empiretards quite philosophically opposed to sanity, and whitelisting eminent example of such.

14:59

asciilifeform, im not about to 3g wtf.

14:59

i dunno re bananistan, but in 'civilized' reich soon no moar 2g.

15:00

they're deliberately squeezing out the vintage iron .

15:00

iirc 2020 cutoff in usa, possibly same in eu

15:00

i suspect it'll be perma-maintained in yurp, but nfi tbh.

15:00

spectrum already auctioned.

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doubtful, delish spectrum $$$

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"However, some European operators including Telenor of Norway and T-Mobile Czech Republic have suggested that their 2G networks could outlast their 3G systems. As 3G is replaced by 4G and 5G technologies, GSM services are being retained to service legacy machine-to-machine connections, in addition to their extensive voice coverage. "

15:02

mno, yurp has strong consumer groups etc. i suspect it'll be here for a while.

15:02

in usa i found last holdout carrier, german-owned 'tmobile'

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aha.

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but even they recently signed surrender

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well, trivially works in yurp atm, ~all providers supply both cards and phones.

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mp_en_viaje wasn't even specifically aware matter's contentious any.

15:03

currently worx in usa also, but signal quality sinking

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i suspect the new buyers of spectrum already moving in, without waiting for '2g' to fully die

15:05

electric, gas, etc co, already installed '3g' modems in meters here.

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asciilifeform recalls when the lowest plebe still got 56+kbaud , on land line. then 16kb on '1g', 8 (with lossy compression!) on '2g'. nao next crank of the ratchet.

15:06

hey, gotta accomodate all the unceasing cuntspawn, with rights, with whatnots.

15:07

god doesn't make more bandwidth just because more sheilas got knocked up this year.

15:07

ipnojeists already walk around all day in search of 802.11

15:08

Meanwhile in Reddit Liberals discussing the Assange arrest "Julian Buttsange Arrested": http://archive.is/zBVj6

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lol "citixensheep revoked" ? such lulz.

15:09

citizenship's unrevokable by definition, wtf nonsense is this.

15:11

Well, when USG is paying 4.2 billion bounties for single derps living in the Ecuador Govt. Hostel London edition...

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But yes, the liberal "protect all buttspawners" of Reddit cheerleading Assange arrest.

15:11

Who was Snowden anyways.

15:14

amusingly enough, "assange arrest" looks to be almost entirely driven by republic no longer recognizing dood as important.

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Logged on 2019-03-25 16:33 mircea_popescu: the guys to whom assange attempted to leak, basically. the "public opinion", whatever.

15:16

Well seven years in the same hostel full of hostile surveilance equipment... Hard to be relevant. Should have sought asylum in a better hostel.

15:16

i guess the charade was expensive enough, had to come to an end once the imaginary upside, "purchasing influence in republic" became moot.

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Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"

15:17

prolly landing in dulles already , pugachev cage ready to roll to scaffold

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907956 << possibru, there's no speciffic gain from hand-assembling the cube necessarily. possible trade-offs of cubes-in-plane vs one-true-cube design worth looking at. not yet, of course. but anyways.

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Logged on 2019-04-10 20:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907891 << thinking about this further, prolly Right Thing would be a hybrid where there's a repeating block of e.g. 32x32x32 cells connected in 'cube' (this, or even larger, would still fit on physically 2d die) arranged in n x m matrix

15:19

asciilifeform, the funniest part is how ridiculously stupid-cuntlet the usgistani became meanwhile. they're so well burned being humiliated over their impotence, they'll only "indict" after they're sure it'll do something. before -- too risky.

15:19

lol why by hand

15:19

sorta how teenagers mate.

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asciilifeform, because http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-06#1907167

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Logged on 2019-04-06 23:42 asciilifeform: right, the problem is specifically that it's happening somewhere other than my kitchen.

15:22

lol if could 'in kitchen' why would then bother to fpga.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908219 << hard to picture what 'importance' was left after d00d was cornered into his mousetrap

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Logged on 2019-04-11 19:14 mp_en_viaje: amusingly enough, "assange arrest" looks to be almost entirely driven by republic no longer recognizing dood as important.

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Well, his last important act was making USG.Blue organ poorer by a smidge less than Trump wants for his fence

15:24

BingoBoingo, that part is quite fucking lulzy.

15:25

of course, note how they can't even issue more on the "full faith and credit" budget, stuck involving the imf's piggy now,

15:25

lulz upon lukz.

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asciilifeform, item assembled from discrete ~and interchangeable~ parts in kitchen is next best (and, by my lights, acceptable tradeoff under duress) to actually made in kitchen.

15:27

rrright, hence the fpga model.

15:28

idea being, can be made on chinese conveyor, let'em try an' hide little obama in a 200 transistor cell.

15:29

incidentally, while on subj, asciilifeform's napkin model of item has symmetric power/io pins, can go on board in 4 ways. put randomly on ea. board, wainot, then give it correspondingly rotated config cell stream.

15:29

( why no one ever did this, i have nfi )

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asciilifeform, re assange, it's all about ideology. if http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884188 style reference produces point-and-laugh, the gavin in question will be retired. if on the contrary, we react like eg to naggum, the gavin in question will be maintained.

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Logged on 2019-01-03 19:13 stratum: Certainly, but one still has to survive among the internet places as they exist.. We cannot all be RMS and have a helper print out websites for us because we're paranoid.

15:30

it seems a matter of recorded evidence that ~all these usg-secreted dorks stuck around for as long as their credit here seemed above water, and not longer.

15:31

asciilifeform, yes, rotation is quite a great win, and very much would like to see it if at all possible from engineer pov.

15:31

it's entirely trivial from mechanical pov.

15:31

~should be~.

15:31

i suppose i can answer wainot done to date by anyone -- it needs 100% homogeneous structure

15:32

notice how at the same time a) all subway cars have little pilot room on both ends, 90% of which dark and disused at any time while b) any electronic component, even fucking memory banks, have a "this way in". why the fuck even, it's just memory.

15:32

( i.e. 'taxicab' grid topology, as illustrated in yest. thrd. )

15:32

seems as if morons involved in "management" (called also "adult supervision" in their sad if moronic little universe) decided "it won't seem as serious business to consumers if works both ways"

15:36

thinking about it, whole item is simple enuff that it'd fit in a coupla log lines. so i'ma throw in ftr :

15:37

erry type of homogeneous fpga worx on same principle. you have cell, in the cell, a shift register. for simplest example take 17 bits. (will be clear why shortly)

15:37

all the shift regs are plugged in, arse to mouth, in 1 chain. to program the chip, you clock in n * 17 bits, where n is how many cell.

15:38

in cell : 16 bits form 4bit lookup table (i.e. for any concrete 4bit input, there is unique out.) the inputs come from the north/south/east/west neighbours.

15:38

the 17th bit controls whether the output goes ~straight~ to the neighbours, or instead through a d-flipflop.

15:38

the latter case is for when you want the cell to store a bit.

15:38

that's it, this is whole fpga.

15:39

anyffin added on this skeleton, is a luxury frill. ( e.g. 'express lanes' that go somewhere other than immediate neighbour, or whatever )

15:39

i recall ~same thing described in some trilema comment at some point.

15:39

it is possible to have LUTs bigger than 4 ( but naturally cuts down on count )

15:40

but yes, there's not so many ways to do this.

15:40

if make smaller than 4, seems to be (empirically) losing idea, the propagation delays from many small cells eat you alive

15:40

most folx making fpga-like things naodays, use 6bit luts

15:41

there's ~1 way to do it. and various optional lily gilding.

15:42

the basic scheme was invented around 1980 and hasn't much changed (but for the various heterogeneous 'cheats' thrown in by vendors to help cement lock-in )

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15:44

i dunno why not stick with 64.

15:44

seems the just-right both for large and small.

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mp_en_viaje is very much in favour of much larger bus machines, in general.

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mp_en_viaje: the sq.metrage of cell grows exponentially with bitness of lut

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so ?

15:45

so e.g. 64 would give you a die with, what, 8 luts.

15:45

not much that can be done with this.

15:46

( it reduces to an expensive sram )

15:46

BingoBoingo, the keks multiply!

15:46

asciilifeform, why does the die have to be that small ?

15:46

sram is really the degenerate case, '1 giant lut'

15:47

mp_en_viaje: this is prolly the #1 noob q of folx digging into subj. answr is yield, it is why 'pentium' isn't fist-sized

15:47

as illustrated in yest. thrd, 'many small lut' give you , among other things, a means of working around crystal defect.

15:47

a la old hdd.

15:47

~then~ can bake as large as dinner plate if feel like.

15:48

like the solar panel people do.

15:48

mp_en_viaje: As slow as this month started, it seems the lulz are starting to heat

15:48

i dunno that this discussion can be carried before we get a basket of baked items.

15:48

way premature optimisation.

15:48

mp_en_viaje: you wouldn't want to even consider baking unless ~very~ concrete idea of what (and simulated the thing)

15:49

it's moar like moon launcher than desktop experiment.

15:49

you wouldn't want to bake if it's that expensive anyway

15:49

it aint as if i have a queue of folx at the door demanding clean fpga lol

15:49

there's also that.

15:50

as i described in last yr's thrd, would 1st have to invent some -- even hypothetical -- means whereby +ev

15:50

ayway, the economics of yields etc will, i expect, be quite different for republic than they're in empire.

15:50

granted i ~could~ have heathens bake coupla hundred dies, for the cost of e.g. that bolix

15:50

but currently no impetus.

15:50

( and, just nao, no free hands )

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but i'll be the 1st to admit that i have not even the faintest clue of how could amortize . considering e.g. fg experience.

15:51

anyways, i shall be off for nows, but back later!

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laters

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asciilifeform bbl also : tea

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908303 << for folx w/out the spare cycles to read the orig horror -- classical nsaware , complete with 'null ciphers' , 'negotiations', etc lulz

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22:11

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908273 << i neglected to add to this: the wider the lut, also the slower ( why -- will leave as exercise, but it aint difficult to figure out )

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Logged on 2019-04-11 19:45 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the sq.metrage of cell grows exponentially with bitness of lut

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asciilifeform confronts the fact that he's prolly doomed to pen a ffa-style vlsi tutorial 1 day..

22:20

( picture, 1st fella to solve the exercises, gets prize, a sample fpga, lol )

22:28

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908275 << this also howler btw. 64bit sram weighs approx. a jupiter...

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Logged on 2019-04-11 19:45 asciilifeform: so e.g. 64 would give you a die with, what, 8 luts.

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( by asciilifeform's napkin estimate, there are possibly 52 bits of addressable electric memory on planet3 atm.. )

22:31

see also ye olde fable re the sultan's chessboard.

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asciilifeform bbl:meat

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