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12:22 BingoBoingo !!up mp_en_viaje
12:22 deedbot mp_en_viaje voiced for 30 minutes.
12:22 mp_en_viaje ty
12:22 BingoBoingo Np
12:22 BingoBoingo What's the latest local delight?
12:22 mp_en_viaje momentarily misplaced launch codes, slavegirl will bring about momentarily.
12:23 mp_en_viaje eh, mostly bothering people in myriad incomprehensible ways.
12:23 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907777 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-20#801609 and all that.
12:23 a111 Logged on 2019-04-09 21:26 asciilifeform: near as i can tell, these folx simply sat down and 'wrote c++ in ada', is all there was to it.
12:23 a111 Logged on 2014-08-20 01:01 asciilifeform: '…like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the “newbies” to civilization burn down the building.)' (herr naggum)
12:24 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: rrright, but picture whole block o'flats fulla ~only~ these, nuffin else
12:24 mp_en_viaje so you mean like, paris, right ?
12:24 asciilifeform possibly, i haven't looked inside post-obummer paris..
12:24 mp_en_viaje ever since the whole strauss-kahn thing, france's been such a lulzy rumpstate...
12:25 mp_en_viaje we mock england for being a butthole, but really, northern algiers is no better merely for not being mentioend.
12:26 BingoBoingo Ever since the mundial I've been shitting on the French with the locals here.
12:26 BingoBoingo "Who on this team looks... French?"
12:26 mp_en_viaje well, they all look uruguayan :D
12:27 asciilifeform afaik fr was zombie at least since de gaulle died
12:27 BingoBoingo Sure, the Uruguayo team does. French team had all of two French dudes and a roster full of Africa.
12:29 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907790 << yeah, the prior art is ~done. "avionics people" my left foot.
12:29 a111 Logged on 2019-04-09 21:37 diana_coman: I suspect by now the "Ada-space" is rather mapped since I keep bumping into the same names
12:30 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: re 'avionics people' -- tried as i might, found only the hole, but not the fossil. ( ~somebody~ pressed for the lang standard to have the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913#selection-349.0-1150.0 knobs. but who? and where used ? i do not know to this day )
12:30 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907793 << most of the code is old/<tinyfont>commercial/inhouse/</tinyfont>vaporware/rumorware ; in any case unpublished.
12:30 a111 Logged on 2019-04-09 21:38 asciilifeform: it's roughly similar to the commonlisp situation -- most of the extant coad is old/commercial/inhouse, unpublished.
12:31 mp_en_viaje you know, archeologists are the guys who reconstruct a mastoton out of a tooth. NOT out of the hole where the tooth could have went,
12:31 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: boeing claims ada in 7xx series. but i have no means to verify .
12:31 mp_en_viaje which whole pile reminds me of the famous mobster from chicago (in guys and dolls). the guy who had his custom-made dice erased, so he could remember ~where the spots formerly were~.
12:32 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, moreover, mcdonalds claims meat in "food" series.
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12:32 asciilifeform it does?! ( i thought they carefully avoid making any such concrete claim.. )
12:33 mp_en_viaje hm.
12:33 mp_en_viaje i might've been talking out of ass!
12:33 asciilifeform possibly BingoBoingo knows
12:34 asciilifeform i dunno re mcd, but specifically recall a protracted litigation-wank re who gets to claim to sell 'chocolate' in the reich
12:34 asciilifeform iirc ended with the old ban on peddling liquishit with ~0 actual ch. in it, as 'chocolate', formally overturned
12:34 mp_en_viaje in other lulz, somewhat if vaguely related : "but mp, why don't you get so and so internet stick from so and so provider ? it's like 3 euro / mo!" "linux" "no, it supports linux too!" "you got one ?" "yes actually".
12:35 * mp_en_viaje looks at the wonder. it's something else, requires adobe air, atop a lengthy pile of other bullshit. the comments "#added by yong wong" in the ~100kb init.sh (that ~requires root~) are the lulz of all time.
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12:35 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i confess , i assumed you were already connecting through a 'buy a local simcard' thing of 1 kind or another
12:35 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> possibly BingoBoingo knows << They claim meat. Granted 1 mm thick hamburger pattys
12:36 mp_en_viaje even THESE FUCKTARDS understand they need the wot, ideologically dedicated as they are to pretending otherwiswe.
12:36 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, nah.
12:36 asciilifeform ( or did mp_en_viaje drag a sovok-style satellite rig with him... might explain the 200kg lol )
12:36 mp_en_viaje that actually travels separately, hence the selenar silences.
12:38 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907800 << she has a point, since we picked it up a few years ago it became the new fashionable buzzword to drop in conversations among wanna-be pubes "in the know". happened maybe a year or so ago.
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12:38 a111 Logged on 2019-04-09 21:47 diana_coman: the easy gauge would be - go mention Ada and see reaction; far from "martian artefact" style; but that being said, I'm not giving it as "fact, here it is, started on x-y-z at 5pm"
12:38 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i have nfi what the ' ~100kb init.sh (that ~requires root~) ' horror might be, the only ones i've ever used simply present as a hayes-style modem via usb (a la FG)
12:39 asciilifeform i reviewed several in the logs, in '14-'15
12:40 mp_en_viaje incidentally, isn't a pube the best possible contraction denoting the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907456 moron adolescens ?
12:40 a111 Logged on 2019-04-08 11:51 mp_en_viaje: moreover, and overwhelmingly important, some duning-krugerands retarded enough to not understand that their cunt map they made (coming from the same place their "let's make a pact to get laid before highschool starts" "pact" came, ie, complete insanity and a ridiculously nonsensical worldview, wherein they're magically the only agents, and the world exists on the basis of their mental processes and in no other way, notwithstanding the obvious probl
12:40 asciilifeform huawei's item was the champ, even worked (with a little perling) to send/receive voice calls (why to do this, is separate q, but it does work)
12:40 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, i suppose i can publish it for your lulz, if you care.
12:41 mp_en_viaje 4G!!!!
12:41 asciilifeform i never had the '4g' one
12:42 asciilifeform these iirc need buncha init gnarl, and dun 'hayes' no moar
12:42 mp_en_viaje aha.
12:43 asciilifeform nor did i ever feel burning urge for 30MB/s on gsm -- who the hell pumps wares via a 'pay per MB' sim toy
12:43 mp_en_viaje this is supposedly fixed monthly pay. i have nfi, i confess the pricing in telecom fails to make any sense to me, and has, for a while.
12:43 mp_en_viaje looks ~exactly like state-backed imaginary non-economic activity, from my (admittedly disinterested) pov.
12:44 asciilifeform well they're crown monopolies in most of europistan, neh
12:44 asciilifeform so unsurprise
12:44 mp_en_viaje possibly.
12:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907853 << i cannot resist to ask, where did mp_en_viaje spot this
12:45 a111 Logged on 2019-04-10 16:38 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907800 << she has a point, since we picked it up a few years ago it became the new fashionable buzzword to drop in conversations among wanna-be pubes "in the know". happened maybe a year or so ago.
12:45 asciilifeform cuz i -- mercifully -- missed
12:47 mp_en_viaje it may shock you to hear that i actually have a whole pile of whores beating the streets talking to dorks by the fucking pail just to keep me on top of things.
12:47 * asciilifeform believes
12:47 mp_en_viaje now those girls, they're the true marthyrs.
12:49 mp_en_viaje a here we go, delivery!
12:53 asciilifeform not wholly unrelatedly, asciilifeform's semi-automated archaeology birthed a logworthy output recently. seems like in '80s there was an outfit, 'algotronix', that xilinx bought an' killed , to bury the product in patent liquishit. had entirely homogeneous fpga , made from identical ~200-transistor cells ( with simple north-south-east-west tile interconnects, and 1 flipflop inside, configged via 16bit shift register per cell, connecte
12:53 asciilifeform d in series. ) simple enuff to simulate deterministically (and calculate propagation delays on paper..)
12:54 asciilifeform they even sold a card where you could plug in N of these, in tile pattern, and get whatever size fabric you like.
12:55 asciilifeform whole spec fit on half of a4 page.
12:55 mp_en_viaje o wow
12:55 mp_en_viaje this pretty well fits the bill of what we've been talking about.
12:55 mp_en_viaje now, if only could be cubed.
12:55 asciilifeform it's entirely identical to what asciilifeform proposed in '15
12:56 asciilifeform can cube, no particular reason wai not. or even hypercube.
12:56 asciilifeform would simply need additional metal layer.
12:56 mp_en_viaje hypercube's not particularly useful, as it's not a geometric shape. but even 2d, not bad.
12:57 asciilifeform i would've added row/column lines , to cut down propagation delay when you bake internal bus, but it's moar or less exactly The Right Thing as-is
12:58 asciilifeform ( orig author had only 2 long aluminum lines, die-wide, for 2 phase of clock )
12:59 mp_en_viaje kinda the advantage of cube, elementarily shorter paths.
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12:59 asciilifeform they also had a variant with tree-like local structure, for same
13:00 asciilifeform fractalesque shape.
13:00 mp_en_viaje it's not that "oh, 27 cells fit better 3x3x3 than 5x5". it's that end to end in cube is >3 and in square >6
13:00 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: routing is the typical eater of sq.metrage in fpga
13:01 mp_en_viaje aha.
13:01 asciilifeform cuz most actual circuits consist of many small islands of mechanism, connected via narrow paths
13:01 mp_en_viaje yes.
13:03 asciilifeform theoretically, this kinda thing is chemistry-insensitive, could bake it on any process available, denser 1 will simply give you moar cells.
13:04 asciilifeform i suspect if sovok had lived another 2-3 yrs, there's be ddr-baked examples of this in my parts box.
13:04 asciilifeform as it is, no one (surprise!1111) bakes.
13:05 asciilifeform ( before you laff -- sovok in fact did bake fpga. i have a sample. but it was mid-80s state of art, i.e. metallization-programmed )
13:08 asciilifeform 1 interesting, imho, variation, would be to program the config regs ~optically~, a la 'cd-r'.
13:09 asciilifeform rather than via the usual cascaded shift registers. get 4-5x the density, 'for phree'
13:10 asciilifeform the config logic is ~80% of the sq.metrage, in an item like this.
13:11 mp_en_viaje you know, like the early bitcoin asics.
13:11 asciilifeform simplest physical realization of this, would be to position eprom cells along a spiral. then can program via ordinary uv laser in konsoomer 'dvd-r'.
13:12 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: y'mean the faux-asics that were relabeled xilinxen lol
13:12 mp_en_viaje in fact, a cd-shaped cd-writing cut processing item might work exceedingly well. have the buslines in the middle, basically you just add the discs on a rod.
13:13 asciilifeform dunno if you could use an unmodified disk writer, given as the largest practical die is still smaller than the spindle hole. but same write head defo.
13:14 mp_en_viaje sparse die.
13:15 asciilifeform it aint even like you can't buy a 30cm piece of si crystal. errybody does already, they simply cut it into 1cm^2 squares. simply costs.
13:16 asciilifeform generally you wouldn't want 'sparse die' tho, nobody cancelled speed of light etc
13:18 mp_en_viaje 1um process means you get ... /me goes to look it up.... http://www.cmcdisc.com/cr_spec.htm <<< 120 mm outer diam, so like pi r ^ 2 0.044 sqm, 4.4e10 nodes.
13:19 mp_en_viaje per "disc"
13:19 asciilifeform you'd want 'dvd' density
13:19 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, this is potentially non-si (or maybe sparsely crystallized si, or w/e)
13:19 asciilifeform i.e. 450nm laser
13:19 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, i was thinking you cut um. that's 2x.
13:19 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i dun presently know of an economical non-si substrate. was thinking strictly in the bounds of current commercial processes.
13:20 mp_en_viaje consider a sheet of gold upon which small si crystals are found, say.
13:20 asciilifeform ( current/historical. thing'd work just as well in 1970s 4um as in today's 8nm etc )
13:20 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: substrate gotta be a dopable insulator
13:20 mp_en_viaje the thing with this (wholly futuristic talk) process would be that even if 1/3 of your cells work, whatever.
13:21 asciilifeform saphire worx, diamond worx, si worx (and currently cheapest)
13:21 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: on anyffing at all, you get the 'only n % gotta work'
13:21 asciilifeform you map'em out, like 'bad blocks' on '80s hdd
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13:22 mp_en_viaje if you could produce blanks that i can cut with a cd-writer into as much as few hundred cell "fpgas"...
13:22 asciilifeform this'd have the obv. down side, that your prop. delays are not deterministic. but would be cheap.
13:22 mp_en_viaje aha.
13:23 asciilifeform but indeed, homogeneous matrix of cells buys you 'hdd-like' item, where it is not necessary for whole thing to work
13:23 asciilifeform in order to be of use
13:24 asciilifeform ( i suspect mp_en_viaje knew this already, but even intel et al, 'cheat', when you buy a pentium-whatever with 'n cores', it really has 24 or whatnot, and only n working units , the others lasered out )
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13:25 asciilifeform the 'nanometer' densities have piss-poor yield, and this is how it is papered over.
13:26 mp_en_viaje aha.
13:27 asciilifeform xilinx incidentally has already confessed to resorting to 'cubism'/layered dies, to meet their claimed cell counts.
13:28 asciilifeform but i was thinking moar along the lines of the simplest device that'd be of practical use, rather than 'futurisms'.
13:29 asciilifeform the '80s-style 2d tile already gives you, e.g., simple means to bake arbitrarily-wide alu. for instance.
13:30 mp_en_viaje i guess so. aaanyways. maybe one day.
13:31 asciilifeform i expect we'll want to simulate it, before anyone thinks of baking.
13:31 mp_en_viaje well, did you simulate xraying before doing it ? :D
13:31 asciilifeform unlike the idjit heterogeneous fpga sold today, this item'd be a snap to simulate.
13:31 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: as a matter of fact i did. how do you suppose i knew what beam cone to use, lol
13:31 mp_en_viaje :p
13:32 asciilifeform ( granted it's a 10min chalkboard 'newtonian' 'sim' )
13:34 asciilifeform simple enuff tech, that it actually begins to seem 'boring', which makes it auto-interesting to asciilifeform ..
13:45 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907838 << you might not know if you avoid places they put ads (tv), but in their recent ads McD has been talking up their beef
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13:45 a111 Logged on 2019-04-10 16:32 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, moreover, mcdonalds claims meat in "food" series.
13:45 asciilifeform PeterL: believe or not , i dun think i've seen a mcd ad since i stopped riding the trains erryday
13:46 asciilifeform for all i know, they serve up penguin flippers nao
13:46 PeterL I don't think you are suffering from missing them
13:48 * asciilifeform prolly to nobody's great surprise, dun have a tv , or at least not the usual kind with tuner
13:50 asciilifeform if 1 day they start broadcasting sumthing interesting, e.g. beheadings , i suppose i can run perl script on that sdr box and get 'tv' .
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14:07 BingoBoingo Down here they broadcast Maduro from time to time
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16:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907891 << thinking about this further, prolly Right Thing would be a hybrid where there's a repeating block of e.g. 32x32x32 cells connected in 'cube' (this, or even larger, would still fit on physically 2d die) arranged in n x m matrix
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16:32 a111 Logged on 2019-04-10 16:59 mp_en_viaje: kinda the advantage of cube, elementarily shorter paths.
16:35 asciilifeform idea being, that a typical subcircuit would fit inside 1 such cube .
16:36 asciilifeform depending on how many metal layers you have , could dispense entirely with 'subcubes' and give whole thing 'flattened cube' topology.
16:37 asciilifeform tho this might make prop.delay calculation slightly trickier. possibly what you'd want instead is to connect only the 4 'compass' faces of 'subcube' to adjacent units.
16:37 * asciilifeform bbl:tea
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