10:46 |
whaack |
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10:47 |
deedbot |
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10:49 |
whaack |
!!v CFBFCC094E40EA43B45CEC450C776DA79F2DA8690175F32D3D95C73D296D6394 |
10:50 |
deedbot |
whaack paid BingoBoingo invoice 2 |
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12:22 |
BingoBoingo |
!!up mp_en_viaje |
12:22 |
deedbot |
mp_en_viaje voiced for 30 minutes. |
12:22 |
mp_en_viaje |
ty |
12:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Np |
12:22 |
BingoBoingo |
What's the latest local delight? |
12:22 |
mp_en_viaje |
momentarily misplaced launch codes, slavegirl will bring about momentarily. |
12:23 |
mp_en_viaje |
eh, mostly bothering people in myriad incomprehensible ways. |
12:23 |
mp_en_viaje |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907777 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-20#801609 and all that. |
12:23 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-09 21:26 asciilifeform: near as i can tell, these folx simply sat down and 'wrote c++ in ada', is all there was to it. |
12:23 |
a111 |
Logged on 2014-08-20 01:01 asciilifeform: '
like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the newbies to civilization burn down the building.)' (herr naggum) |
12:24 |
asciilifeform |
mp_en_viaje: rrright, but picture whole block o'flats fulla ~only~ these, nuffin else |
12:24 |
mp_en_viaje |
so you mean like, paris, right ? |
12:24 |
asciilifeform |
possibly, i haven't looked inside post-obummer paris.. |
12:24 |
mp_en_viaje |
ever since the whole strauss-kahn thing, france's been such a lulzy rumpstate... |
12:25 |
mp_en_viaje |
we mock england for being a butthole, but really, northern algiers is no better merely for not being mentioend. |
12:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Ever since the mundial I've been shitting on the French with the locals here. |
12:26 |
BingoBoingo |
"Who on this team looks... French?" |
12:26 |
mp_en_viaje |
well, they all look uruguayan :D |
12:27 |
asciilifeform |
afaik fr was zombie at least since de gaulle died |
12:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure, the Uruguayo team does. French team had all of two French dudes and a roster full of Africa. |
12:29 |
mp_en_viaje |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907790 << yeah, the prior art is ~done. "avionics people" my left foot. |
12:29 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-09 21:37 diana_coman: I suspect by now the "Ada-space" is rather mapped since I keep bumping into the same names |
12:30 |
asciilifeform |
mp_en_viaje: re 'avionics people' -- tried as i might, found only the hole, but not the fossil. ( ~somebody~ pressed for the lang standard to have the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913#selection-349.0-1150.0 knobs. but who? and where used ? i do not know to this day ) |
12:30 |
mp_en_viaje |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907793 << most of the code is old/<tinyfont>commercial/inhouse/</tinyfont>vaporware/rumorware ; in any case unpublished. |
12:30 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-09 21:38 asciilifeform: it's roughly similar to the commonlisp situation -- most of the extant coad is old/commercial/inhouse, unpublished. |
12:31 |
mp_en_viaje |
you know, archeologists are the guys who reconstruct a mastoton out of a tooth. NOT out of the hole where the tooth could have went, |
12:31 |
asciilifeform |
mp_en_viaje: boeing claims ada in 7xx series. but i have no means to verify . |
12:31 |
mp_en_viaje |
which whole pile reminds me of the famous mobster from chicago (in guys and dolls). the guy who had his custom-made dice erased, so he could remember ~where the spots formerly were~. |
12:32 |
mp_en_viaje |
asciilifeform, moreover, mcdonalds claims meat in "food" series. |
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12:32 |
asciilifeform |
it does?! ( i thought they carefully avoid making any such concrete claim.. ) |
12:33 |
mp_en_viaje |
hm. |
12:33 |
mp_en_viaje |
i might've been talking out of ass! |
12:33 |
asciilifeform |
possibly BingoBoingo knows |
12:34 |
asciilifeform |
i dunno re mcd, but specifically recall a protracted litigation-wank re who gets to claim to sell 'chocolate' in the reich |
12:34 |
asciilifeform |
iirc ended with the old ban on peddling liquishit with ~0 actual ch. in it, as 'chocolate', formally overturned |
12:34 |
mp_en_viaje |
in other lulz, somewhat if vaguely related : "but mp, why don't you get so and so internet stick from so and so provider ? it's like 3 euro / mo!" "linux" "no, it supports linux too!" "you got one ?" "yes actually". |
12:35 |
* |
mp_en_viaje looks at the wonder. it's something else, requires adobe air, atop a lengthy pile of other bullshit. the comments "#added by yong wong" in the ~100kb init.sh (that ~requires root~) are the lulz of all time. |
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12:35 |
asciilifeform |
mp_en_viaje: i confess , i assumed you were already connecting through a 'buy a local simcard' thing of 1 kind or another |
12:35 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> possibly BingoBoingo knows << They claim meat. Granted 1 mm thick hamburger pattys |
12:36 |
mp_en_viaje |
even THESE FUCKTARDS understand they need the wot, ideologically dedicated as they are to pretending otherwiswe. |
12:36 |
mp_en_viaje |
asciilifeform, nah. |
12:36 |
asciilifeform |
( or did mp_en_viaje drag a sovok-style satellite rig with him... might explain the 200kg lol ) |
12:36 |
mp_en_viaje |
that actually travels separately, hence the selenar silences. |
12:38 |
mp_en_viaje |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907800 << she has a point, since we picked it up a few years ago it became the new fashionable buzzword to drop in conversations among wanna-be pubes "in the know". happened maybe a year or so ago. |
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12:38 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-09 21:47 diana_coman: the easy gauge would be - go mention Ada and see reaction; far from "martian artefact" style; but that being said, I'm not giving it as "fact, here it is, started on x-y-z at 5pm" |
12:38 |
asciilifeform |
mp_en_viaje: i have nfi what the ' ~100kb init.sh (that ~requires root~) ' horror might be, the only ones i've ever used simply present as a hayes-style modem via usb (a la FG) |
12:39 |
asciilifeform |
i reviewed several in the logs, in '14-'15 |
12:40 |
mp_en_viaje |
incidentally, isn't a pube the best possible contraction denoting the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907456 moron adolescens ? |
12:40 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-08 11:51 mp_en_viaje: moreover, and overwhelmingly important, some duning-krugerands retarded enough to not understand that their cunt map they made (coming from the same place their "let's make a pact to get laid before highschool starts" "pact" came, ie, complete insanity and a ridiculously nonsensical worldview, wherein they're magically the only agents, and the world exists on the basis of their mental processes and in no other way, notwithstanding the obvious probl |
12:40 |
asciilifeform |
huawei's item was the champ, even worked (with a little perling) to send/receive voice calls (why to do this, is separate q, but it does work) |
12:40 |
mp_en_viaje |
asciilifeform, i suppose i can publish it for your lulz, if you care. |
12:41 |
mp_en_viaje |
4G!!!! |
12:41 |
asciilifeform |
i never had the '4g' one |
12:42 |
asciilifeform |
these iirc need buncha init gnarl, and dun 'hayes' no moar |
12:42 |
mp_en_viaje |
aha. |
12:43 |
asciilifeform |
nor did i ever feel burning urge for 30MB/s on gsm -- who the hell pumps wares via a 'pay per MB' sim toy |
12:43 |
mp_en_viaje |
this is supposedly fixed monthly pay. i have nfi, i confess the pricing in telecom fails to make any sense to me, and has, for a while. |
12:43 |
mp_en_viaje |
looks ~exactly like state-backed imaginary non-economic activity, from my (admittedly disinterested) pov. |
12:44 |
asciilifeform |
well they're crown monopolies in most of europistan, neh |
12:44 |
asciilifeform |
so unsurprise |
12:44 |
mp_en_viaje |
possibly. |
12:45 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907853 << i cannot resist to ask, where did mp_en_viaje spot this |
12:45 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-10 16:38 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907800 << she has a point, since we picked it up a few years ago it became the new fashionable buzzword to drop in conversations among wanna-be pubes "in the know". happened maybe a year or so ago. |
12:45 |
asciilifeform |
cuz i -- mercifully -- missed |
12:47 |
mp_en_viaje |
it may shock you to hear that i actually have a whole pile of whores beating the streets talking to dorks by the fucking pail just to keep me on top of things. |
12:47 |
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asciilifeform believes |
12:47 |
mp_en_viaje |
now those girls, they're the true marthyrs. |
12:49 |
mp_en_viaje |
a here we go, delivery! |
12:53 |
asciilifeform |
not wholly unrelatedly, asciilifeform's semi-automated archaeology birthed a logworthy output recently. seems like in '80s there was an outfit, 'algotronix', that xilinx bought an' killed , to bury the product in patent liquishit. had entirely homogeneous fpga , made from identical ~200-transistor cells ( with simple north-south-east-west tile interconnects, and 1 flipflop inside, configged via 16bit shift register per cell, connecte |
12:53 |
asciilifeform |
d in series. ) simple enuff to simulate deterministically (and calculate propagation delays on paper..) |
12:54 |
asciilifeform |
they even sold a card where you could plug in N of these, in tile pattern, and get whatever size fabric you like. |
12:55 |
asciilifeform |
whole spec fit on half of a4 page. |
12:55 |
mp_en_viaje |
o wow |
12:55 |
mp_en_viaje |
this pretty well fits the bill of what we've been talking about. |
12:55 |
mp_en_viaje |
now, if only could be cubed. |
12:55 |
asciilifeform |
it's entirely identical to what asciilifeform proposed in '15 |
12:56 |
asciilifeform |
can cube, no particular reason wai not. or even hypercube. |
12:56 |
asciilifeform |
would simply need additional metal layer. |
12:56 |
mp_en_viaje |
hypercube's not particularly useful, as it's not a geometric shape. but even 2d, not bad. |
12:57 |
asciilifeform |
i would've added row/column lines , to cut down propagation delay when you bake internal bus, but it's moar or less exactly The Right Thing as-is |
12:58 |
asciilifeform |
( orig author had only 2 long aluminum lines, die-wide, for 2 phase of clock ) |
12:59 |
mp_en_viaje |
kinda the advantage of cube, elementarily shorter paths. |
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12:59 |
asciilifeform |
they also had a variant with tree-like local structure, for same |
13:00 |
asciilifeform |
fractalesque shape. |
13:00 |
mp_en_viaje |
it's not that "oh, 27 cells fit better 3x3x3 than 5x5". it's that end to end in cube is >3 and in square >6 |
13:00 |
asciilifeform |
mp_en_viaje: routing is the typical eater of sq.metrage in fpga |
13:01 |
mp_en_viaje |
aha. |
13:01 |
asciilifeform |
cuz most actual circuits consist of many small islands of mechanism, connected via narrow paths |
13:01 |
mp_en_viaje |
yes. |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
theoretically, this kinda thing is chemistry-insensitive, could bake it on any process available, denser 1 will simply give you moar cells. |
13:04 |
asciilifeform |
i suspect if sovok had lived another 2-3 yrs, there's be ddr-baked examples of this in my parts box. |
13:04 |
asciilifeform |
as it is, no one (surprise!1111) bakes. |
13:05 |
asciilifeform |
( before you laff -- sovok in fact did bake fpga. i have a sample. but it was mid-80s state of art, i.e. metallization-programmed ) |
13:08 |
asciilifeform |
1 interesting, imho, variation, would be to program the config regs ~optically~, a la 'cd-r'. |
13:09 |
asciilifeform |
rather than via the usual cascaded shift registers. get 4-5x the density, 'for phree' |
13:10 |
asciilifeform |
the config logic is ~80% of the sq.metrage, in an item like this. |
13:11 |
mp_en_viaje |
you know, like the early bitcoin asics. |
13:11 |
asciilifeform |
simplest physical realization of this, would be to position eprom cells along a spiral. then can program via ordinary uv laser in konsoomer 'dvd-r'. |
13:12 |
asciilifeform |
mp_en_viaje: y'mean the faux-asics that were relabeled xilinxen lol |
13:12 |
mp_en_viaje |
in fact, a cd-shaped cd-writing cut processing item might work exceedingly well. have the buslines in the middle, basically you just add the discs on a rod. |
13:13 |
asciilifeform |
dunno if you could use an unmodified disk writer, given as the largest practical die is still smaller than the spindle hole. but same write head defo. |
13:14 |
mp_en_viaje |
sparse die. |
13:15 |
asciilifeform |
it aint even like you can't buy a 30cm piece of si crystal. errybody does already, they simply cut it into 1cm^2 squares. simply costs. |
13:16 |
asciilifeform |
generally you wouldn't want 'sparse die' tho, nobody cancelled speed of light etc |
13:18 |
mp_en_viaje |
1um process means you get ... /me goes to look it up.... http://www.cmcdisc.com/cr_spec.htm <<< 120 mm outer diam, so like pi r ^ 2 0.044 sqm, 4.4e10 nodes. |
13:19 |
mp_en_viaje |
per "disc" |
13:19 |
asciilifeform |
you'd want 'dvd' density |
13:19 |
mp_en_viaje |
asciilifeform, this is potentially non-si (or maybe sparsely crystallized si, or w/e) |
13:19 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. 450nm laser |
13:19 |
mp_en_viaje |
asciilifeform, i was thinking you cut um. that's 2x. |
13:19 |
asciilifeform |
mp_en_viaje: i dun presently know of an economical non-si substrate. was thinking strictly in the bounds of current commercial processes. |
13:20 |
mp_en_viaje |
consider a sheet of gold upon which small si crystals are found, say. |
13:20 |
asciilifeform |
( current/historical. thing'd work just as well in 1970s 4um as in today's 8nm etc ) |
13:20 |
asciilifeform |
mp_en_viaje: substrate gotta be a dopable insulator |
13:20 |
mp_en_viaje |
the thing with this (wholly futuristic talk) process would be that even if 1/3 of your cells work, whatever. |
13:21 |
asciilifeform |
saphire worx, diamond worx, si worx (and currently cheapest) |
13:21 |
asciilifeform |
mp_en_viaje: on anyffing at all, you get the 'only n % gotta work' |
13:21 |
asciilifeform |
you map'em out, like 'bad blocks' on '80s hdd |
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13:22 |
mp_en_viaje |
if you could produce blanks that i can cut with a cd-writer into as much as few hundred cell "fpgas"... |
13:22 |
asciilifeform |
this'd have the obv. down side, that your prop. delays are not deterministic. but would be cheap. |
13:22 |
mp_en_viaje |
aha. |
13:23 |
asciilifeform |
but indeed, homogeneous matrix of cells buys you 'hdd-like' item, where it is not necessary for whole thing to work |
13:23 |
asciilifeform |
in order to be of use |
13:24 |
asciilifeform |
( i suspect mp_en_viaje knew this already, but even intel et al, 'cheat', when you buy a pentium-whatever with 'n cores', it really has 24 or whatnot, and only n working units , the others lasered out ) |
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13:25 |
asciilifeform |
the 'nanometer' densities have piss-poor yield, and this is how it is papered over. |
13:26 |
mp_en_viaje |
aha. |
13:27 |
asciilifeform |
xilinx incidentally has already confessed to resorting to 'cubism'/layered dies, to meet their claimed cell counts. |
13:28 |
asciilifeform |
but i was thinking moar along the lines of the simplest device that'd be of practical use, rather than 'futurisms'. |
13:29 |
asciilifeform |
the '80s-style 2d tile already gives you, e.g., simple means to bake arbitrarily-wide alu. for instance. |
13:30 |
mp_en_viaje |
i guess so. aaanyways. maybe one day. |
13:31 |
asciilifeform |
i expect we'll want to simulate it, before anyone thinks of baking. |
13:31 |
mp_en_viaje |
well, did you simulate xraying before doing it ? :D |
13:31 |
asciilifeform |
unlike the idjit heterogeneous fpga sold today, this item'd be a snap to simulate. |
13:31 |
asciilifeform |
mp_en_viaje: as a matter of fact i did. how do you suppose i knew what beam cone to use, lol |
13:31 |
mp_en_viaje |
:p |
13:32 |
asciilifeform |
( granted it's a 10min chalkboard 'newtonian' 'sim' ) |
13:34 |
asciilifeform |
simple enuff tech, that it actually begins to seem 'boring', which makes it auto-interesting to asciilifeform .. |
13:45 |
PeterL |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907838 << you might not know if you avoid places they put ads (tv), but in their recent ads McD has been talking up their beef |
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13:45 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-10 16:32 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, moreover, mcdonalds claims meat in "food" series. |
13:45 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: believe or not , i dun think i've seen a mcd ad since i stopped riding the trains erryday |
13:46 |
asciilifeform |
for all i know, they serve up penguin flippers nao |
13:46 |
PeterL |
I don't think you are suffering from missing them |
13:48 |
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asciilifeform prolly to nobody's great surprise, dun have a tv , or at least not the usual kind with tuner |
13:50 |
asciilifeform |
if 1 day they start broadcasting sumthing interesting, e.g. beheadings , i suppose i can run perl script on that sdr box and get 'tv' . |
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14:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Down here they broadcast Maduro from time to time |
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14:30 |
feedbot |
http://qntra.net/2019/04/heroic-roomba-occupies-numerous-oregon-law-enforcement-man-hours-in-standoff/ << Qntra -- Heroic Roomba Occupies Numerous Oregon "Law Enforcement" Man Hours In Standoff |
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16:32 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907891 << thinking about this further, prolly Right Thing would be a hybrid where there's a repeating block of e.g. 32x32x32 cells connected in 'cube' (this, or even larger, would still fit on physically 2d die) arranged in n x m matrix |
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16:32 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-10 16:59 mp_en_viaje: kinda the advantage of cube, elementarily shorter paths. |
16:35 |
asciilifeform |
idea being, that a typical subcircuit would fit inside 1 such cube . |
16:36 |
asciilifeform |
depending on how many metal layers you have , could dispense entirely with 'subcubes' and give whole thing 'flattened cube' topology. |
16:37 |
asciilifeform |
tho this might make prop.delay calculation slightly trickier. possibly what you'd want instead is to connect only the 4 'compass' faces of 'subcube' to adjacent units. |
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asciilifeform bbl:tea |
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22:04 |
feedbot |
http://qntra.net/2019/04/eu-bureaucrats-set-new-october-31st-brexit-date-is-macron-the-sovereign-now/ << Qntra -- EU Bureaucrats Set New October 31st Brexit Date Is Macron The Sovereign Now? |