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← 2014-08-18 | 2014-08-20 →
00:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 322 @ 0.00260683 = 0.8394 BTC [-] {6}
00:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17279 @ 0.00070644 = 12.2066 BTC [-] {2}
00:29 BingoBoingo !up diatonic
00:29 BingoBoingo !up shovel_boss
00:30 BingoBoingo !up Guest43995
00:30 BingoBoingo !up aegis
00:31 TheNewDeal shovel boss!
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00:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29266666 = 0.878 BTC [+] {3}
00:55 TheNewDeal !up usagi
00:55 usagi Hi thanks~
00:55 TheNewDeal 30 minutes, we'll see about that assbot
00:56 usagi TheNewDeal yesterday you said I told you I was insuring people (kakobrekla) against glbse defaults. I didn't say that, kako's contract was for pirate
00:56 usagi But a lot of the contracts had NDA's at the customer's request so I don't usually talk about particulars
00:56 TheNewDeal not only that, anduck said it today as well
00:57 usagi Anduck's contract was separate from kakobreklas. I think you can understand that.
00:57 usagi Do you run a business in the community, TND?
00:58 usagi Or are you just watching :)
00:58 TheNewDeal yes, it's called Don't Feed the Scammers
00:58 TheNewDeal it's doing smashingly well
00:58 usagi Ahh, just an investor I see
00:59 TheNewDeal why do you ask?
00:59 usagi Dunno, looking for investment options I guess
01:00 usagi There isn't much available right now. I've been chatting with you recently. thought I'd ask
01:00 TheNewDeal i've got a good offer for you
01:01 usagi Yes?
01:01 TheNewDeal it's called purchasing my bitbets
01:02 usagi Yeah I made a little on bitbet, I should probably take a look at that site again soon
01:02 usagi There are some issues with the site tho, which discourage me from betting
01:03 TheNewDeal your choice
01:03 TheNewDeal regardless
01:03 TheNewDeal I'm in the business of scouting out good bets and reselling them
01:03 usagi Oh? That sounds interesting
01:03 usagi Actually I'll go take a look at the site now
01:03 usagi it's been a while
01:04 TheNewDeal site hasn't change much, merely the bets
01:05 usagi The berkshire bet does not inspire confidence :p
01:05 usagi But I'm still looking
01:06 usagi http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ This bet pays about 1.4% per month, and if im wrong, I still win
01:06 assbot BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (11%) on Yes, 595.49 B (89%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 day| weight: 25`962 (100`000 to 1)
01:06 TheNewDeal doesn't inspire confidence? how so
01:07 usagi TheNewDeal; it contains subjective terms open to post-interpretation
01:07 usagi might toss something on the $10k bet
01:07 TheNewDeal there's a 5k bet as well
01:08 TheNewDeal no includes default of btc e
01:08 usagi I should have been looking at that bet 8 months ago heh
01:08 usagi But it would have had to have a much larger payout, this might be the sweet spot for the $10k bet
01:10 TheNewDeal the thing about the 10k bet is
01:10 TheNewDeal still very profitable for a high btc individual to bet as well
01:11 TheNewDeal for instance, someone with 100 btc could reap a 3.8 % return
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01:56 Vexual ;;goxlag
01:56 gribble Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command.
01:56 * Vexual 9 months
01:58 RagnarDanneskjol ha - keep refreshing, it might come back
02:09 Vexual kenilworth did their emi
02:12 Vexual not sure if cause of efect, but they also renewed their exploration permits
02:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00070521 = 12.3412 BTC [-] {2}
02:13 Vexual and...if.. they used the btc right, theres money left to drill
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02:39 Vexual kenilworth is actually looking better than it ever haz
02:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [-]
02:44 Vexual although, my tote had em at a pretty fucking longshot
02:45 fluffypony http://www.coindesk.com/terrahash-shuts-down-bitcoin-miners-upset-with-refund/
02:45 assbot TerraHash shuts down, bitcoin miners upset with 50% refund
02:47 Vexual owing paypal:bitcoin fail
02:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00070511 = 13.9612 BTC [-]
02:58 BingoBoingo http://www.coindesk.com/margin-trading-crash-price-bitcoin/ << lulzy
02:58 assbot Did Margin Trading Crash the Price of Bitcoin?
03:02 Vexual cfderp
03:03 Vexual cfdita
03:05 Vexual whats next?
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03:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5300 @ 0.00101484 = 5.3787 BTC [-] {18}
03:36 assbot usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
03:37 BingoBoingo !up usagi
03:38 usagi I didn't know the terrahash failure was so spectacular
03:38 usagi I guess terra is finally dead then.
03:38 usagi get it? deadterra? yuk yuk
03:38 BingoBoingo lol
03:38 Vexual https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvQ0W-NIQAQGvEJ.jpg
03:39 usagi I warned him about getting in with the wrong crowd. Guess he didn't know who his friends were
03:44 ben_vulpes Vexual ping
03:45 pankkake Vexual bong
03:46 Vexual ohai
03:47 ben_vulpes Vexual: what's that pic from?
03:47 Vexual its from twitter :)
03:48 Vexual its a girl going to or from mt sinai or whatevr is called
03:55 ben_vulpes cutie id like to meat
03:57 RagnarDanneskjol http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/203-konstantin-ryabitsev/784544-linux-kernel-git-repositories-add-2-factor-authentication
03:57 assbot Linux Kernel Git Repositories Add 2-Factor Authentication | Linux.com
04:02 Vexual the one in persia
04:08 Vexual !up usagi
04:10 Vexual twoup
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04:29 Vexual etymlogical root of "the pennies drop"
04:29 Vexual also "what goes up must come down"
04:31 xmj alright, so I found this:
04:31 xmj http://anonhq.com/is-monsanto-the-new-cannabis-supplier-in-town/
04:31 assbot Is Monsanto The New Cannabis Supplier In Town? AnonHQ
04:32 xmj Soon we'll have GMO cannabis on the cheap, all the hipsters and Nassim Taleb will bitch about it
04:32 xmj and I'll chucklingly watch.
04:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20800 @ 0.0000525 = 1.092 BTC [+]
04:39 RagnarDanneskjol lol
04:41 Vexual roundup resistant ganja? i think someones trolling
04:42 Vexual perhaps they will change their modus operendi and make a version that grows in africa easily without pesticides
04:43 Vexual wait...
04:46 Vexual agent orange resistant coca perhaps?
04:57 xmj Vexual: sickness-defying GMO'd opium potty
04:57 Vexual potty?
04:57 xmj whatever the plant you make opium from
04:58 xmj eh poppy
04:58 Vexual ah
04:58 Naphex poppy seeds?
04:58 Naphex ;o
05:00 Vexual its prolly hard to usefully gm an o where the o has been selectively bred for so many generations, unless you include a new selection criteria
05:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6836 @ 0.0007054 = 4.8221 BTC [+]
05:02 Vexual theyve made high yeilding maize and shit
05:03 Vexual and monsanto has prolly fed a lot of people
05:04 Vexual but mapping genomes is about as advanced as blockchain.info taint analysis
05:07 Vexual just a little bit shitter than their mixing service
05:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 371 @ 0.00362281 = 1.3441 BTC [-] {6}
05:18 pankkake ;;ticker --market bcent --currency eur
05:18 gribble Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 370.0, Best ask: 373.99999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99999, Last trade: 370.0, 24 hour volume: 150.20365524, 24 hour low: 340.0, 24 hour high: 370.0, 24 hour vwap: 354.3870935
05:21 xmj Vexual: Monsanto strikes the hypocritical white progressives as bad due to their feeding people.
05:21 xmj it's an example of market forces at work without redistribution; of course they don't like that.
05:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11138 @ 0.000053 = 0.5903 BTC [+]
05:26 Vexual i think you are right, but many of the biggest ethical questions arise where dna meets patent law
05:26 Vexual and that is a whole other level
05:35 Vexual personally, i prefer a popescuist view; he who can send owns
05:38 Vexual ;;timetonext
05:38 gribble 32832.0
05:38 Vexual ;;calc 32832/360
05:38 gribble 91.2
05:39 Vexual ;;estimate
05:39 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 23761047900.1 based on data since last change | 25481337320.0 based on data for last three days
05:41 Vexual ;;ticker
05:41 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 487.19, Best ask: 488.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.81000, Last trade: 487.19, 24 hour volume: 31400.25076534, 24 hour low: 442.0, 24 hour high: 493.0, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578
05:47 RagnarDanneskjol https://helda.helsinki.fi/handle/10138/135742
05:47 assbot Essays in quantitative analysis of the effects of market imperfections on asset returns
05:53 Vexual care to offer a quick dissertation Ragnar?
05:57 RagnarDanneskjol be moar vigilant with teh monies
05:58 Vexual be moar vincent nega
05:58 RagnarDanneskjol ha
06:01 Vexual example
06:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45177 @ 0.00070526 = 31.8615 BTC [-] {6}
06:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2023 @ 0.00070455 = 1.4253 BTC [-]
06:08 Vexual did you read it rygar?
06:08 RagnarDanneskjol "Financial assets prices are not always in perfect equi- librium and deviate from their fundamental values. The dramatic rise and fall of the stock market raises concern about the rationality of sudden changes in stock valu- ations. The mispricing of assets contributes to financial crises, which can damage the overall economy. This dissertation analyses the effect of market imperfections
06:08 RagnarDanneskjol at different time horizons." - I only got through the first essay. " Financial assets prices are not always in perfect equi- librium and deviate from their fundamental values. The dramatic rise and fall of the stock market raises concern about the rationality of sudden changes in stock valu- ations. The mispricing of assets contributes to financial crises, which can damage the overall
06:08 RagnarDanneskjol economy. This dissertation analyses the effect of market imperfections at different time horizons.""
06:11 RagnarDanneskjol its relatively comprehensible cf. to a lot of academic financial dissertations I come across. I learn more about bitcoin from these sources than i would any "analyst" in the btc space
06:12 Vexual what of me?
06:13 Vexual if i might
06:13 RagnarDanneskjol pls clarify
06:14 Vexual well i tought i might give an example of some concepts i garner from that collectionfor your further thought
06:15 RagnarDanneskjol go right ahead, I just lurk here
06:18 Vexual i was hoping this analysis might be interactive
06:19 Naphex :))
06:19 RagnarDanneskjol afraid I cant be too interactive tonight - I'm kinda in the middle of a few things and terribly behind schedule
06:19 Vexual ive only read the abstract
06:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 150 @ 0.012715 = 1.9073 BTC [-] {2}
06:24 Vexual raiding france for mayonnaise?
06:25 Vexual its egg and vinegar
06:26 Vexual Hi duffer
06:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1961 @ 0.00081 = 1.5884 BTC [+] {2}
06:29 Duffer1 oh hey man
06:30 Duffer1 my stomach isn't a basketball anymore
06:31 Vexual i assume thats a good thing
06:32 Duffer1 appendectomy last week, i was pretty swollen
06:32 Vexual did you die?
06:32 Duffer1 nope, i got very lucky, it ruptured, but didn't get infected
06:32 Vexual fuck
06:33 Vexual you must gave some pain tolerence to burst
06:34 Vexual can i kick you in the nuts?
06:35 Duffer1 it was quite painful, and i refused pain meds until the ct scan results came back and the dr said "your appendix is all messed up, we're transfering you to a different hospital, ambulance is en route, take pain meds now"
06:35 Vexual and youre all like meah wait till i finish this blunt
06:36 Duffer1 ha
06:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 163 @ 0.00375092 = 0.6114 BTC [+] {4}
06:44 Vexual can't keep a good man down
06:48 Duffer1 ^.^
06:48 Vexual its good youre not dead
06:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.02523161 = 0.6308 BTC [-]
06:51 Duffer1 i appreciate that, i'm glad i'm not dead too :)
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08:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00070493 = 11.1026 BTC [+] {2}
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08:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3078 @ 0.00109954 = 3.3844 BTC [+] {4}
08:38 nubbins` hi
08:39 jurov hi nubbins`
08:42 nubbins` i see charlie shrem is selling a lot of casascius coins on the forums these days
08:47 nubbins` i find myself questioning the wisdom of buying them :0
08:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.0127999 = 0.5504 BTC [+]
08:55 thestringpuller nubbins`: you around for a bit?
08:55 thestringpuller what do you charge for shirts?
08:55 thestringpuller setup fee + etc.
08:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5046 BTC [-]
09:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00070455 = 2.7477 BTC [-]
09:07 TomServo ;;later tell ben_vulpes The OTC link on your page still points to benkay's OTC profile.
09:07 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:12 TomServo ;;later tell pete_dushenski On "Who are we? Not nationals." footnote i.: s/self-refertiality/self-referentiality
09:12 gribble The operation succeeded.
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09:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00070454 = 7.8204 BTC [-] {2}
09:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00070633 = 13.279 BTC [+] {2}
09:47 jurov http://www.wired.com/2014/08/gyroscope-listening-hack/ ha
09:47 assbot The Gyroscopes in Your Phone Could Let Apps Eavesdrop on Conversations | Threat Level | WIRED
09:50 Bet placed: 1.78092363 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 672.27919187 BTC. Current weight: 25,860.
09:55 Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 682.27919187 BTC. Current weight: 25,859.
09:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.00467089 = 1.1677 BTC [+] {5}
10:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00269829 = 0.5666 BTC [-] {4}
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11:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10560 @ 0.00070641 = 7.4597 BTC [+] {2}
11:12 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
11:12 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.42, Best ask: 486.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.56000, Last trade: 487.36, 24 hour volume: 19861.58716992, 24 hour low: 453.01, 24 hour high: 493.0, 24 hour vwap: 472.817569834
11:12 mircea_popescu dude i leave for a day and where is the two digit bitcoin!
11:12 mike_c i think the sale is almost over
11:20 jurov hi mircea
11:21 jurov btw i thought the DERP is not finished yet as F.DERP is not listed and only two derivatives
11:21 jurov so i did no advertising yet
11:21 jurov what's the situation there?
11:22 mircea_popescu jurov well sitll planning to have it online this month.
11:23 mircea_popescu mike_c yeah i imagine tomorrow will be teh day of mourning for teh would be manipulateurs.
11:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00070794 = 1.2389 BTC [+]
11:36 nubbins` thestringpuller it's around $60-65 before i'll even pick up a squeegee
11:43 thestringpuller nubbins`: can you elaborate?
11:43 thestringpuller like 60-65 per shirt?
11:43 thestringpuller or 60-65 one time fee?
11:43 nubbins` oh, no, 60-65 for shirt number one
11:43 thestringpuller okay then what is it per shirt after that?
11:44 nubbins` depends on a few factors, anywhere from 6-12-ish
11:45 nubbins` type of shirt, total quantity, number of colors, whether i think you'll be a repeat customer, whether you've ever hit on my wife, whether the artwork is ready, etc
11:51 novusordo http://www.nasdaq.com/article/whatever-happened-to-bitcoin-hint-nothing-good-cm381082
11:51 assbot Whatever happened to Bitcoin? (Hint: nothing good) - NASDAQ.com
11:54 mike_c ^ don't tell whoever added 37 PH/s over the last two weeks. they'll be pissed.
11:55 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
11:55 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 477.7, Best ask: 479.96, Bid-ask spread: 2.26000, Last trade: 480.0, 24 hour volume: 20189.94635126, 24 hour low: 453.01, 24 hour high: 493.0, 24 hour vwap: 473.16123994
11:55 ben_vulpes TomServo: got it, thanks
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 12.14387328 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1056 satoshi per share
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79894304 BTC to 14`116 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
12:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00070439 = 1.5497 BTC [-]
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12:24 thestringpuller mike_c novusordo : the comments in that article is priceless
12:25 thestringpuller "I wish I had a bitcoin for every one of these bitcoins is dead articles I've read over the past year and a half."
12:25 thestringpuller wait i do!
12:25 thestringpuller XD
12:25 mike_c heh
12:26 TheNewDeal damn
12:26 TheNewDeal that's a lot of bitcoin
12:26 thestringpuller or i haven't read a lot of bitcoin is dead articles
12:27 TheNewDeal ahhh true
12:29 thestringpuller ;;gpginfo
12:30 gribble Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
12:30 thestringpuller ;;keyinfo
12:30 gribble Error: "keyinfo" is not a valid command.
12:30 thestringpuller ;;gpg
12:30 gribble Error: "gpg" is not a valid command.
12:30 thestringpuller ;;gettrust thestringpuller
12:30 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 10 via 10 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 (1 more message)
12:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11001 @ 0.00070424 = 7.7473 BTC [-]
12:34 nubbins` ;;ident
12:34 gribble Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None
12:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37698 @ 0.0007035 = 26.5205 BTC [-] {4}
12:37 thestringpuller nubbins`: was trying to find a direct link to my key
12:37 pankkake https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/2dxuqw/be_careful_seals_users_coinbase_has_blocked_me/
12:37 assbot Be Careful Seals Users: Coinbase has blocked me because of gambling (x-post from /r/sealswithclubs) : poker
12:38 thestringpuller nubbins`: whether you've ever hit my wife << ??? this has happened?!?!?
12:40 thestringpuller ;;ident
12:40 gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
12:40 thestringpuller ;;eregister
12:40 gribble (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase (1 more message)
12:40 thestringpuller ^-- tylander
12:40 thestringpuller ;;more
12:40 gribble will expire in 10 minutes.
12:43 thestringpuller ;;ls
12:43 gribble What do you think I am, a shell?
12:43 thestringpuller ;;google something something darkside
12:43 gribble Something, Something, Something, Dark Side - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something,_Something,_Something,_Dark_Side>; Family guy Emperor something something..... - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHiUitciuJ8>; "Family Guy" Something, Something, Something, Dark Side (TV ...: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1329665/>
12:43 thestringpuller etc
12:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 550 @ 0.00104055 = 0.5723 BTC [+]
12:47 thestringpuller !up tylander
12:47 tylander ;;eregister nick D40DAE000726DA10
12:47 gribble Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.
12:47 tylander ;;eregister tylander D40DAE000726DA10
12:47 gribble Request successful for user tylander, hostmask tylander!~tylander@71-14-6-178.static.gwnt.ga.charter.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/D40DAE000726DA10
12:47 TheNewDeal nice
12:50 tylander ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:19d3db6508f756400711a3a327477025318798cdec657a0889201262
12:50 gribble Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user tylander with key D40DAE000726DA10
12:50 thestringpuller ;;rate tylander 4 real life coworker; greatest intern alive
12:50 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user tylander has been recorded.
12:51 kakobrekla !s armory phone home
12:51 assbot 1 results for 'armory phone home' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=armory+phone+home
12:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00070471 = 11.0639 BTC [+] {2}
12:53 tylander !up
12:53 tylander !up tylander
12:53 kakobrekla you are as high as it goes.
12:53 thestringpuller tylander /msg assbot !up
12:53 thestringpuller he's on the 30 minute timer
12:53 thestringpuller @ kakobrekla
12:56 TheNewDeal I wish I was that high
13:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2547 @ 0.00070473 = 1.7949 BTC [+]
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13:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5017 @ 0.00070593 = 3.5417 BTC [+]
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13:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00070565 = 0.9879 BTC [-]
13:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.00464219 = 1.1605 BTC [-] {4}
14:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 220 @ 0.00468908 = 1.0316 BTC [+] {2}
14:05 nubbins` thestringpuller: hit *on* my wife.
14:06 nubbins` but, now that i think of it, there's also a hefty surcharge if you've ever hit my wife
14:06 thestringpuller Oh. Is the "hit on my wife" fee waived for mircea_popescu ?
14:06 nubbins` not too many people in that particular category tho
14:06 nubbins` thestringpuller, mp has not yet hit on my wife
14:06 thestringpuller lol
14:10 nubbins` but anyway, yeah, sliding scale
14:10 nubbins` more info = more useful quote
14:11 thestringpuller one color, black shirt, 6-12 shirts
14:11 thestringpuller ~ medium
14:11 thestringpuller graphic is done just need "printer's specs"
14:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8897 @ 0.00070565 = 6.2782 BTC [-]
14:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 137 @ 0.01299801 = 1.7807 BTC [+] {8}
14:15 nubbins` 6 @ $18ea, 12 @ $13ea
14:15 nubbins` cheap gildan shirts, $2 less
14:16 nubbins` american apparels, $1.50 more
14:16 nubbins` shipping not included :D
14:16 TheNewDeal slanging some t-shirts nubbins` ?
14:16 nubbins` prolly not, but who knows :D
14:16 thestringpuller very possibly
14:17 thestringpuller okay so 50 for setup fees
14:17 thestringpuller is that per screen?
14:17 nubbins` eh, not exactly. setup involves a few different things
14:17 nubbins` extra colors are a flat $15 screen burning fee plus $0.85 per shirt
14:18 thestringpuller okay so the first shirt it always 65?
14:18 thestringpuller is*
14:18 nubbins` always and forever
14:18 thestringpuller or is that a deposit?
14:18 nubbins` total
14:18 thestringpuller first shirt ever? or first shirt for that line
14:19 nubbins` i uh
14:19 nubbins` you're making this so complicated :D
14:19 thestringpuller :D dats meeee
14:19 thestringpuller I gots lotsa questions
14:19 nubbins` no kidding :D
14:19 TheNewDeal do you have any finished products? can I see an example
14:19 nubbins` nobody wants just one shirt, so it's kind of silly to give you prices based on that
14:20 nubbins` much more sensible to quote for a reasonably-sized order
14:20 TheNewDeal 65$ for one shirt?!!? what kind of scam is this?!!?
14:20 thestringpuller LOL
14:20 nubbins` TheNewDeal, facebook.com/pinkeye, pinkeyeprints.com, etc
14:20 thestringpuller i'm trying to see if it's 65 + 13 * (shirt number)
14:20 nubbins` TheNewDeal: call a local screenprint shop, ask for one shirt, see what they say
14:20 thestringpuller or 13 * shirt number + setup fee + ink fees
14:20 thestringpuller etc
14:20 thestringpuller just tryin to understand the fee schedule
14:21 BingoBoingo %p
14:22 atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1446.16 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.51 TH/s
14:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00070583 = 10.658 BTC [+] {2}
14:22 TheNewDeal I only see books and zines
14:22 nubbins` 50+(15*C)+(N*7)+(N*0.85*C) where C is number of colors/prints and N is number of shirts
14:22 nubbins` TheNewDeal: FB has more pictures of custom shirts etc
14:22 TheNewDeal there we go
14:23 BingoBoingo %d
14:23 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 198333.42 in 1890 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.44
14:23 thestringpuller nubbins`: cool!
14:24 thestringpuller nubbins`: what is shipping ~ 15?
14:25 nubbins` not sure offhand, depends on size of order
14:27 nubbins` 5-10 per shirt maybe
14:28 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Apple stock to close at over $100 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/956/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 96(Y):4(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.5013 BTC. Current weight: 68,215.
14:28 thestringpuller very possibly doable
14:28 thestringpuller we'll try you out for a set of shirts see if we can move it
14:29 nubbins` 50% up-front, remainder + shipping due on delivery.. you know where to find me :D
14:31 thestringpuller :D nubbins` is such a nice artist
14:32 nubbins` oh you
14:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28007 = 0.8402 BTC [-] {3}
14:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.27152519 = 4.3444 BTC [-] {6}
14:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27050118 = 0.541 BTC [-]
14:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.27 = 2.43 BTC [-]
15:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.27000999 = 2.7001 BTC [-] {3}
15:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 65 @ 0.02523161 = 1.6401 BTC [-] {2}
15:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4523 @ 0.00070593 = 3.1929 BTC [+]
15:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.01291 = 0.5293 BTC [+] {2}
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15:40 Bet placed: 1.4 BTC for Yes on "Apple stock to close at over $100 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/956/ Odds: 98(Y):2(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.9013 BTC. Current weight: 68,187.
15:44 TheNewDeal last minute dive?
15:45 kakobrekla ;;seen davout
15:45 gribble davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 9 hours, 16 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <davout> ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791960 <<< interesting
15:45 TheNewDeal I've been locked up in that damn apple bet for almost a month yet
15:55 fluffypony davout has died?
15:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 38 @ 0.022 = 0.836 BTC
16:01 thestringpuller wait davout is actually dead?
16:01 thestringpuller oh
16:01 thestringpuller figure of speech
16:03 fluffypony lol
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16:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19778 @ 0.00070476 = 13.9387 BTC [-] {4}
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16:39 FabianB so blockr has been aquired by coinbase
16:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7004 @ 0.00070341 = 4.9267 BTC [-]
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16:55 fluffypony http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140817.png
16:55 fluffypony FabianB: yesterday's news :-P
16:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 495 @ 0.001041 = 0.5153 BTC [+]
16:58 FabianB heh
17:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00070291 = 7.8726 BTC [-]
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18:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00070212 = 5.7925 BTC [-] {2}
18:32 TheNewDeal liking that comic fluffypony
18:33 fluffypony :)
18:35 asciilifeform http://www.nasdaq.com/article/whatever-happened-to-bitcoin-hint-nothing-good-cm381082 (linked earlier) << pure gold. these folks are in 'tilt mode.'
18:35 assbot Whatever happened to Bitcoin? (Hint: nothing good) - NASDAQ.com
18:40 TheNewDeal What happened to the NASDAQ? Answer: it's being propped up on stilts
18:41 mircea_popescu heh.
18:41 mircea_popescu dats raycus
18:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0007019 = 2.3865 BTC [-] {2}
18:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.01255309 = 0.6277 BTC [-] {5}
18:46 mircea_popescu http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << wouldja look at that, weekly active user count over avg last week for the first time in like half a year.
18:46 assbot #bitcoin-assets stats
18:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11505 @ 0.00070144 = 8.0701 BTC [-]
18:47 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: so you can only miss the chance to sell 10k 3 times or something? << that was going the other way.
18:47 kakobrekla i kno.
18:48 mircea_popescu ;;ticker.
18:48 gribble Error: "ticker." is not a valid command.
18:48 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
18:48 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 487.96, Best ask: 488.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 488.4, 24 hour volume: 18059.81647100, 24 hour low: 453.01, 24 hour high: 493.98, 24 hour vwap: 479.000378688
18:48 mircea_popescu the problem being that going the other way is a) unduly expensive and b) shockingly ineffectual.
18:49 mircea_popescu but i guess i was giving the bright financial minds on the other side of the tug rope undue credit for being absolutely intelligent so as to know.
18:49 mircea_popescu or mebbe some knew but the group as a whole got desperate enough.
18:49 mircea_popescu i won't know for a while yet, so ah well.
18:51 TheNewDeal mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << wouldja look at that, weekly active user count over avg last week for the first time in like half a year. <<< usagi has been firing up all his old names?
18:51 assbot #bitcoin-assets stats
18:53 mircea_popescu lol doubt it.
18:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00070291 = 4.6744 BTC [+]
18:55 TheNewDeal so what are you saying about buying 10k? you only have a few chances to do it before the price skyrockets up or what?
19:01 ThickAsThieves http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/08/tesla-motors-inc-accused-of-organized-crime/ lol, either these guys are running out of ways to make the price move... or Musk is an OG
19:01 assbot Tesla Motors Inc Accused Of "Organized Crime"
19:01 fluffypony he's South African, of course he's an OG
19:01 ThickAsThieves lets use "quotes" on words for no reason
19:02 ThickAsThieves i guess they might be quoting a person
19:07 asciilifeform 'Lithium ion batteries blog up if they get wet or bumped.'
19:07 * asciilifeform asks his batteries if they blog.
19:08 diana_coman mircea_popescu got the skill level eulora prize too, here is proof and the address at the end, thank you http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/08/20/making-my-eulorian-cake-and-eating-it/
19:08 assbot Making My Eulorian Cake and Eating It in Ossasepia
19:10 * asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp why hatchet jobs are necessary against electromobiles - they do a fine job sucking on their own
19:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23464 @ 0.00070128 = 16.4548 BTC [-] {2}
19:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16722 @ 0.00070309 = 11.7571 BTC [+] {2}
19:24 fluffypony http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/19/6044403/derp-research-partnership-launched-by-reddit-twitch-imgur-fark-stack-exchange
19:24 assbot Reddit, Twitch, and Imgur have created a research partnership called DERP | The Verge
19:24 fluffypony mircea_popescu should sue
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19:49 thestringpuller fluffypony: hahaha! of course he is OG.
19:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28912058 = 0.8674 BTC [+]
19:52 mircea_popescu fluffypony lol
19:53 mircea_popescu http://contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/#comment-4183 << now this is an interesting point.
19:53 assbot Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
19:54 mircea_popescu do we have any reason to suspect bitcoin will bring about by and large more prosperous societies in the sense of people affording better friends ?
20:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: or say, go and fix RuBisCO, world's most inefficient enzyme << it's not its fault! hard fucking shit!
20:02 mircea_popescu thestringpuller what's og ?
20:02 thestringpuller original gangsta
20:02 thestringpuller ::ud OG
20:02 thestringpuller ;;ud og
20:02 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OG | Famouse Tatooists Mr. Cartoon is a straight-up muthafuck'in OG! 2. O G. O G means original gangsta those tru gangstas from way back in the day that jacked ya ...
20:03 mircea_popescu ouc
20:03 mircea_popescu oic*
20:05 mircea_popescu ;;later tell chetty http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Grand_prismatic_spring.jpg/800px-Grand_prismatic_spring.jpg now this has got to be in the game.
20:05 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:06 asciilifeform DERP << still waiting for some muppet to start a company selling bottled piss or the like, and labeled 'bitcoin'
20:07 mircea_popescu im kinda waiting for the twinks to get bored of being irrelevant, get upset and threaten to sue everyone else for using their invention.
20:11 mircea_popescu destroy land/wealth equivalency << this is gone , actually, which is why i rent.
20:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to fully visualize the logical conclusion of that gedankenexperiment, picture if one could subsist entirely on the output of a 'desktop garden' under a fluorescent lamp.
20:13 asciilifeform (see also this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#781699)
20:13 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
20:13 mircea_popescu inasmuch as you accept bitcoin as a desktop garden under a lcd backed monitor, one can, does.
20:13 mircea_popescu you mean if everyone ? but everyone never could.
20:14 asciilifeform well, everyone with the necessary apparatus.
20:14 asciilifeform just like sailors on a nuke sub never need to surface for air - only for food/ammunition/parts
20:14 asciilifeform (electrolytic cell, sea water)
20:15 mircea_popescu speaking of which : the diesel sub is making a major comeback
20:15 asciilifeform cost.
20:15 mircea_popescu apparently much easier to make it silent, whereas the nuke ones can not
20:15 asciilifeform silent on battery.
20:15 mircea_popescu more importantly (and somewhat secretly) : they're one man subs.
20:15 mircea_popescu robotics and computers are now advanced enough.
20:16 asciilifeform and the 'two airplanes theorem' (what can two planes do, that one, regardless of how spiffy, cannot? be in two places.)
20:16 mircea_popescu think about that solipsist heaven. a one man diesel attack sub.
20:16 asciilifeform midget subs are 1930s state of the art.
20:16 mircea_popescu but these are not so midget-y.
20:16 asciilifeform and, who doesn't love the japanese 'Kaiten.'
20:16 asciilifeform ;;google kaiten submarine
20:16 gribble Kaiten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiten>; Human torpedo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo>; Kaiten-class | Nihon Kaigun - Imperial Japanese Navy Page: <http://combinedfleet.com/ships/kaiten>
20:16 mircea_popescu they're actually pretty fully featured.
20:17 mircea_popescu so what if ben_vulpes has it his way and by say 2050 most people that are people actually live in one ?
20:17 asciilifeform generally, you want two men (one sleeps)
20:17 mircea_popescu the sub having replaced the car that replaced the knight's horse
20:17 mircea_popescu making orlof a sort of low tech early pioneer in the right direction.
20:18 asciilifeform the familiar 'water planet' scenario, yes.
20:18 mircea_popescu leaving the landspace to be inhabited by the proles, toiling in the mines and sub factories under the carcinogenic sun
20:18 asciilifeform we could be there already, but somehow it appears that most people don't like the sea very much.
20:18 * asciilifeform can't imagine why
20:18 mircea_popescu it's not that familiar to me, i'm a sf noob/ignoramus :D
20:20 asciilifeform 'Defined in these terms, when you move onto a floating pole somewhere in the ocean, the first effect on your freedom is a massive decline. You have sworn fealty to King Neptune. Neptune accepts your service, as he has accepted so many before you. His court is glorious, his riches are infinite, his territory is vast. But Neptune is a stern and capricious lord. To live at sea, you need not just love liberty. You n
20:20 asciilifeform eed to love the sea. Spend a little time with Moitessier, Slocum, and the like; read this fine collection, and possibly this (pretty much all of Jonathan Raban's books are good); etc, etc. Yes, I'm aware that seasteading is not yachting. I'm aware that no one intends to take their floating poles around Cape Horn. But you are still at sea, and a subject of Neptune you remain.'
20:21 asciilifeform (mr mold on the 'seasteading' concept. http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/05/democraphobia-goes-slightly-viral.html)
20:21 assbot Page not found
20:21 mircea_popescu !up tylander
20:22 mircea_popescu well, lettuce see. the submarine is submerged. it does not care about "weather" in either fluid sense. with the new fleshlights and tumblr pr0nz... i defy you to find a bunch of 20somethings whose current life would be differen if they were subbed.
20:23 asciilifeform a non-nuke sub spends 90+% of time on the surface.
20:23 asciilifeform (given current battery tech, this is unlikely to change)
20:23 mircea_popescu this is a tech problem.
20:23 asciilifeform the same kind of tech problem as the absence of pocket laser pistol.
20:23 asciilifeform batteries.
20:23 mircea_popescu tell you what : a current car spends 90% of time in the garage. fu that.
20:24 mircea_popescu let there be electric recharge stations on the ocean floor.
20:24 mircea_popescu if they can do it with the teslas it has impact.
20:24 asciilifeform or, as with one proposed electromobile, battery swap couriers.
20:24 mircea_popescu in any case : international waters are international waters
20:25 mircea_popescu and im not sure who can afford to piss off a nation of submarineers, but it wouldn't be the us.
20:25 mircea_popescu what with its super vulnerable carriers and errything.
20:25 mircea_popescu so composed out of thermal electro plant, battery recharge stations and a fleet of subs...
20:25 mircea_popescu geothermal*
20:25 asciilifeform when the last u.s. boat hits the bottom, the scrapyards, or the chinese auction block - we'll find out whether the 'seastead' folks are serious.
20:26 kuzetsa hmm? tumblr pronz and fleshlights? why not both -- http://31.media.tumblr.com/72a9bdc2edcfc228a083bd0fd397c711/tumblr_n3edll7WSz1sp1w56o1_1280.jpg
20:26 kuzetsa oosp, I spelled rp0nz wrong
20:26 kuzetsa oh for fucks sake
20:26 mircea_popescu dude... srlsly ?!
20:26 asciilifeform lol!
20:26 mircea_popescu people fuck icecream-colored cartoon characters ?
20:26 kuzetsa rule34
20:27 asciilifeform people would fuck their own severed heads if they could.
20:27 kuzetsa ^ yes, they would
20:27 mircea_popescu the cunts aren't even identical holy hell.
20:27 asciilifeform probably being '3d printed' to order even as we speak.
20:28 mircea_popescu so who's the deep purple one in the middle ?
20:28 mircea_popescu only actual slut in the bunch.
20:28 * asciilifeform had occasion to go to a local electronics store a few days ago, '3d printers' were displayed right next to ordinary ones.
20:29 nubbins` mp the floating one w/ the rainbow hair is probably the most represented in cosplay etc
20:30 kuzetsa mircea_popescu: the size of the folds of ones labia is not directly proportional to sexual activity, but only differs with natural variation from person to person... your logic is invalid for calling that slutty... or is this just your headcanon for that particular pony? in which case, I agree, she's awful
20:30 mircea_popescu kuzetsa how much cunt have you seen so far ?
20:30 mircea_popescu in square meters i mean.
20:30 nubbins` lel
20:30 thestringpuller nubbins`: we accept your offer
20:30 thestringpuller we'll sign da papers tomorrow!
20:31 asciilifeform in square meters << must specify, folded or denatured.
20:31 nubbins` thestringpuller: lovely
20:31 mircea_popescu either way.
20:31 kuzetsa mircea_popescu: I've seen quite a lot, but even if that wasn't the case, the sex ed programs here don't promote fallacious negative images about people's sexuality because of genital shape
20:31 mircea_popescu i couldn't begin to give less of a shit about what sex "ed" programs say there, wherever that is.
20:32 mircea_popescu i've yet to see a psa "ed" effort that was accurate in details.
20:32 nubbins` how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait
20:32 thestringpuller nubbins`: it's just one color. white on black.
20:32 kuzetsa colleges have sex ed and related programs too, not just primary schools
20:33 mircea_popescu yeah, made by the same people, with the same political aggenda, and with the same utter ignorance and disrespect for observable reality.
20:33 nubbins` thestringpuller: easy peasy
20:33 mircea_popescu something being asserted by a state sponsored "ed" program of any kind is more a predictor of the something being wrong than right.
20:33 nubbins` once in sixth grade, our teacher made us draw cocks for homework
20:33 nubbins` these were put on the classroom bulletin board for the next few weeks
20:34 asciilifeform this applies just as easily to the nominally 'proper' education (average peon has very little use for, e.g. arithmetic)
20:34 mod6 nubbins`: no wai?!
20:35 mircea_popescu meanwhile at lulzranch : carnivores having well developed teeth is in no way a predictor of their preference in eating meat over say photosynthesis.
20:35 mircea_popescu so said animal ed!
20:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00070326 = 3.3405 BTC [+]
20:35 kuzetsa uhm
20:36 nubbins` mod6 nod
20:36 nubbins` she was a strange woman
20:36 mircea_popescu nubbins` no cunts tho ?
20:36 nubbins` mircea_popescu, nope
20:36 mod6 lol
20:36 mircea_popescu now wtf sense does that make ?
20:36 * nubbins` shrugs
20:36 nubbins` fwiw she used to grind her vulva on the corners of desks when helping students
20:36 mircea_popescu see, a teacher like that'd have never survived in mp's school.
20:36 mircea_popescu too easy to bully.
20:36 mircea_popescu people'd have been sticking cunt drawings on her back for the rest of her life.
20:37 nubbins` not sure if this was autoerotic or candida
20:37 asciilifeform nubbins`: teacher had no pockets? or, no hands ?
20:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00070349 = 22.9338 BTC [+] {2}
20:37 kuzetsa asciilifeform: women's clothing tends not to have many pockets :(
20:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform teacher rubbing vulva on corners is no indication of an absence of hands, pockets or brain.
20:38 asciilifeform today she'd own one of those radio-controlled insertables.
20:38 mircea_popescu kuzetsa indeed, and ironically i suspect it's exactly for this reason.
20:38 kuzetsa eww
20:38 mircea_popescu no, srsly. controlling masturbation in little girls was much more a priority in victorian england that in teh case of boys
20:39 kuzetsa no, I know
20:39 kuzetsa that's why I said eww
20:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: a historical annoyance, for all forms of state, is that folks can, in general, grow food without asking it permission first. <<< this brings to mind the ridiculous "permit to assemble" device.
20:40 mircea_popescu "yes you may gather together to overthrow the state, just as long as you get an approval form stamped by said state"
20:40 decimation re: luxury submarines: http://www.ussubmarines.com/ << supposedly can stay submerged for at least a week going 2 knots
20:40 assbot U.S. SUBMARINES
20:40 asciilifeform there's two basic types of 'permission' - one where you can, without permission, but might catch some lead; and one where you actually can't ('promise vs. protocol')
20:40 mircea_popescu decimation i tell you, if the tesla experiment works out we're going to see subs.
20:40 decimation note that if you want go at any reasonable speed you must be on the surface, as ascii said
20:40 decimation undersea charging is interesting
20:41 decimation batteries still suck though
20:41 asciilifeform you can charge inductively under the sea, but parasitic currents are a drag
20:41 mircea_popescu there's nothing to do submerged anyway. the only real reason to move is abvout the same as getting new ips, ie, avoid the enemy.
20:41 mircea_popescu for this reason, 2 knots is fine.
20:41 asciilifeform (sea water conducts)
20:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i imagine some sort of copulatory connection will be standard.
20:42 asciilifeform might want to wait for 'SOSUS' to finish falling apart before setting sail on microsubs
20:42 mircea_popescu why ?
20:42 decimation heh yeah that's a good point ascii
20:42 mircea_popescu it's not currently able to handle massed targets well. this is, and has been, long known documented weakness
20:43 mircea_popescu handwaved as "well if there's too many subs to track then that says all we wanted to know anyway rite ?"
20:43 asciilifeform interesting fact, i think we might have spoken of it before - usg claims extraterritorial jurisdiction over... all ships.
20:43 mircea_popescu so does any pirate. what of it ? claim is one thing.
20:44 asciilifeform fix RuBisCO, from its current ~2% efficiency to something like 50+ - and now you needn't the massive resupply points that make fat targets.
20:44 asciilifeform for the 1000 ships tactic, the vessels must be properly autonomous
20:45 decimation asciilifeform: usg opts to allow the russian navy to exist in international waters: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/pentagon-russian-spy-ship-tug-operating-near-u-s/
20:45 assbot Pentagon: Russian Spy Ship, Tug Operating Near U.S. | Washington Free Beacon
20:45 mircea_popescu a war is won by a) making fat targets that b) the enemy tries to take out but c) fails.
20:45 decimation said Lt. Col. Tom Crosson, a Pentagon spokesman. ?We respect the freedom of all nations, as reflected in international law, to operate military vessels beyond the territorial seas of other nations.?
20:45 asciilifeform decimation: or recall the chinese sub that test-fired ballistic rockets off the california coast recently.
20:45 asciilifeform ^ beautiful example of u.s. media hush campaign. vanished entirely from nearly everywhere within days of first mention.
20:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im sure it's in the sub ed in colleges everywhere.
20:46 mircea_popescu or maybe not.
20:47 decimation re: usg rotting surveillance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Surveillance_System
20:47 assbot Air Force Space Surveillance System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
20:47 decimation Due to resource constraints caused by sequestration, Air Force Space Command officials have directed the 21st Space Wing to prepare to discontinue operations at the Air Force Space Surveillance System by Oct. 1
20:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: eventual goal, for the state, is an endgame where you can't grow your own potato in secret any more than you can produce your own 14nm cpu. << eventual endgame, for the utopian socialist/nazist state, as for any utopian/figment of imagination, is human relevancy.
20:47 mircea_popescu this is an unattainable goal for fundamental reasons.
20:47 decimation the "space fence", transmitter blasted nearly 1 megawatt skyward to 'ping' off satellites
20:48 mircea_popescu yet lucifer still doth try to fly.
20:48 * asciilifeform wonders when ocean fiber reamplifiers will begin to include a few kg of trotyl with motion fuse, for meddlesome buggers
20:49 decimation re: gov't control: witness the usg attempting to "control" "guns"
20:49 asciilifeform unattainable goal << their modus operandi is to cripple people in any available way, to inject 'relevancy.' no reason to think this won't continue with better tech.
20:50 decimation "if we can't bring everyone up to your level then we will tear you down"
20:50 mircea_popescu of course it will continue. it will continue not to work lol.
20:50 mircea_popescu obviously a car without an engine will continue to be a car without an engine for as long as hills and people willing to push can be found.
20:51 asciilifeform decimation: ground-based gizmo obsoleted by orbital spybots
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20:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the folks pushing the 'urban' ('totalitarian', etc, pick favourite term) << these seriously aren't equivalent.
20:52 asciilifeform (how many of the latter still work - a different question)
20:52 decimation asciilifeform: i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Based_Space_Surveillance
20:52 assbot Space Based Space Surveillance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
20:52 mircea_popescu the hayseeds imagine the urban despisement of their simpletonism is the same as the utopian hatred of their self sufficiency.
20:52 mircea_popescu this is untrue, it only looks similar because they're too far away.
20:52 asciilifeform are these entirely separable?
20:52 mircea_popescu i would say so, yes.
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20:53 mircea_popescu (as to the other point, the orbital spybots are a crapshot. earth based antenna is obv the right approach to the problem)
20:53 asciilifeform if we actually get the tech for rural non-simpletonism (keep own pigs -and- bake own 14nm cores) - we'll learn
20:53 decimation it seems to me that the self sufficiency is more threatening to the omni-state
20:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: why did the rulers of ussr, china, etc. push so aggressively for mechanized agriculture? to free the plow-pullers from their toil so they can watch opera? << for efficiency.
20:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is impossible to have rural nonsimpletonism also for fundamental reasons.
20:54 asciilifeform 'efficiency' - 'takes function arguments.' efficiency at what, for whom.
20:54 mircea_popescu you ever seen l'uomo delle stelle ?
20:54 asciilifeform nope
20:55 decimation most of the actual farmers I have met in the us are people - they can machine, weld, assemble own parts from scrap
20:55 mircea_popescu you absolutely muyst see this film. the italian renaissance is important particularly because they peddle such exceptionaly clear, deep reaching intuitions.
20:55 mircea_popescu now allow me to quote from my own recensy :
20:55 decimation but they are a minority even in rural areas
20:56 asciilifeform decimation: they can machine, weld, assemble own parts from scrap << sure. but can they build so much as a kalash round with own hands, to the required tolerances?
20:56 decimation I would go with yes, many of them load their own ammo
20:56 asciilifeform reload.
20:57 decimation certainly peasants in pakistan can perform that feat
20:57 asciilifeform decimation: nope.
20:57 mircea_popescu meh i can't find where i said it. anyway, in that film, which is predicated on the notion that an urbanite goes in the rural other world (he's a fraudulent film talent scout, cinecita was a big deal in post war italy).
20:57 asciilifeform they merely have access to seemingly-inexhaustible old war spoils
20:57 mircea_popescu he is incredibly popular with the worms, for the obvious reason : a shot at their idea of a better life.
20:58 mircea_popescu one of the worms in question is a shepherd. he says, 1950ish : "con le stelle se puo parlare".
20:58 mircea_popescu fuckwit discovering the ancient sources of greek philosophy by hand on his own, two milenina late.
20:58 mircea_popescu this is the reason you broadly cabn't have intelligent rural people : too contemplative, by the nature of what rural means.
20:59 * asciilifeform always supposed that it was because they cannot have proper 'division of labour'
20:59 mircea_popescu nah.
20:59 mircea_popescu it's because they don't get the incentive or the opportunity to use a large swath of the brain.
21:00 mircea_popescu think, the rural noob in town has been the lol of the town's margins anywhere anytime, pick a society. coincidence ?
21:00 mircea_popescu i think not.
21:01 mircea_popescu to put it in the terms of the anonimity as urban/rural dispute article : the rural guy can run software without ever needing a garbage collector, because no program ever covers memory.
21:01 mircea_popescu now this may be just fine and dandy "for some applications", but it's not a computer.
21:01 decimation places like silicon valley were started by rural folk from the midwest, founded fairchild & invented modern transistors and IC's
21:01 mircea_popescu decimation mind, i'm not arguing the people themselves are broken.
21:01 asciilifeform '…like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the “newbies” to civilization burn down the building.)' (herr naggum)
21:01 mircea_popescu but the environment is unconducive.
21:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform probably related problem, tho those are usually hunters.
21:02 decimation well, there's no doubt that they had to come to the city to meet the son of IBM founder to get money to start the operation
21:02 mircea_popescu decimation not just money.
21:02 asciilifeform decimation: philo farnsworth invented the raster scan while plowing a field. there's always a weirdo exception.
21:02 mircea_popescu people who have to come to b-a to start a successful operation don't need just the money, or even the money at all.
21:03 decimation most of them worked in big east coast corporations for several years first, true
21:03 mircea_popescu and again, the idea that there's something wrong with the people involved is patent nonsense. kids come from the vilage to town and do better than kids born in town all the time.
21:04 mircea_popescu but the environment doth not allow specific things.
21:04 * asciilifeform 'east cost corporations' << had the distinct impression that most of the people here never had to walk the u.s. большая зона
21:04 * nubbins` gets the vague sense that gribs could use a !translate plugin
21:05 asciilifeform !s большая зона
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21:05 asciilifeform damn
21:05 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR1A4ohq6w0 :D
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21:06 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traitorous_eight
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21:06 mircea_popescu is this the chinese thing ?
21:06 mircea_popescu o nm
21:07 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Noyce "In the summer of 1940, at the age of 12, he built a boy-sized aircraft with his brother, which they used to fly from the roof of the Grinnell College stables. "
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21:08 decimation obviously if Mr. Noyce had stayed in Iowa he would have been an advanced farmer, not the founder of modern semiconductor business
21:08 asciilifeform in modern usa, noyce would rot in own juices in a psychiatric ward.
21:08 decimation quite possibly yes
21:08 asciilifeform (or derp on 'reddit')
21:09 mircea_popescu shockley is perhaps the best example of totally nutso master running his harem straight into a wall.
21:09 mircea_popescu prolly a good case study
21:09 asciilifeform howard hughes (around same time)
21:09 asciilifeform not an uncommon pattern
21:09 decimation fortunately they had the sense to follow noyce into the middle of nowhere and start a new business
21:10 mircea_popescu at least hughes was not a boring stolid "social improvement" type.
21:10 mircea_popescu from experience girls will forget flamboyant failure much easier than boring drudgery.
21:10 asciilifeform shockley did, if i recall, hit upon the idea of building a sperm bank to.. hand out own sperm
21:11 mircea_popescu wasn't he the guy who overengineered a diode while neglecting transistors to the point nobody could afford it ?
21:12 decimation yeah he basically said "forget about the transistor, really complicated diodes are the future"
21:13 asciilifeform 'Shockley was the only one to publicly acknowledge his donation to the sperm bank.' (pediwikia)
21:13 decimation that was pretty much when noyce et. al. bailed
21:13 asciilifeform diode logic is a complete logic, incidentally.
21:13 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shockley_diode
21:13 assbot Shockley diode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:13 asciilifeform (so it isn't entirely clear that he was wrong)
21:14 decimation no, but apparently after he got his Nobel prize he became an insufferable ass
21:14 mircea_popescu decimation this is a particular sort of methodological error strategists of the "too clean" variety make. the error is to imagine that what's in question is whether the new thing is promising (positive) rather than broken (negative). fact is any new thing that isn't broken will probably outperform any current thing simply because business is about growth.
21:14 asciilifeform like many successful/creative types, he had a 'red dwarf phase' of life
21:14 mircea_popescu and by too clean i mean the sort that doesn't bareback random whores because "who knows what may happen"
21:16 asciilifeform !s simulated annealing
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21:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform was this where i was disagreeing with locklin's similar idiocy ?
21:17 asciilifeform possibly
21:17 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2014#515199
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21:17 asciilifeform ^ old discussion of why china failed to technoclobber europe
21:18 mircea_popescu ah yes.
21:18 asciilifeform (too 'cold' in the simulated annealing sense. i.e., not psychotic enough.)
21:18 decimation the problem is that with something like computing, it's "somewhat broken"
21:19 mircea_popescu where is the locklin one. basically his thesis was that "printed guns will never work because the barrel isn't sexy"
21:19 asciilifeform hans eysenck's 'psychoticism'
21:19 decimation the broken-ness becomes a negative externality that is distributed randomly
21:19 mircea_popescu decimation well if there weren't problems...
21:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah i see what you mean. i took it literally :D
21:20 asciilifeform as i recall, locklin's observation was that 'printed' gun is a technowankerous curio, vastly inferior to an aggregation of discarded plumbing parts and a rusty nail
21:21 mircea_popescu which it is. and yet... the discussion isn't whether it looks promising (in the terms of today)
21:22 mircea_popescu somewhat vaguely related : the nbc producers that decided to greenlight seinfeld, the largest grossing production in the history of nbc and the thing that even made sitcoms a thing
21:22 asciilifeform speaking of which, time for today's 'sovietism.' not one english-speaking fellow i've met seemed to know, that you can machine arbitrarily hard metals with no cutting elements (no noise, no wear, no need for massive ballscrews or slides, etc.)
21:22 asciilifeform electrolytically.
21:22 mircea_popescu are on the record stating something like "well these two idiots came in, one a complete nobody , the other a dork, but we figured... whatever, it's just a script, we've not spent that much money on it"
21:22 asciilifeform this was perfected in ussr, and the only vendor of electrolytic mills (which could trivially 'etch' small - or large - arms of whatever kind, on a desktop) is still russian.
21:23 asciilifeform it was a response to the nato embargo on selling 6-axis milling machines to the sovblok.
21:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform is it expensive to do ?
21:23 asciilifeform expensive but only in electrical current.
21:23 asciilifeform in materials, pauper-cheap.
21:23 mircea_popescu hehe. "build a nuclear plant you're done"
21:23 asciilifeform no need for exotic cutters or quality slides
21:23 asciilifeform and the hardness of the material being cut doesn't matter at all - so long as it conducts.
21:23 decimation you can achieve good tolerances too
21:24 asciilifeform also scales down. (but no one, afaik, has scaled it.)
21:24 mircea_popescu can you make a tungsten carbide shooter ?
21:24 asciilifeform if you're fine with waiting a year for the, e.g., pistol, draw 1 amp instead of 1000.
21:25 asciilifeform tungsten carbide is brittle. but - yes, trivially.
21:25 decimation I wish 'maker' derps would build machining devices rather than plastic molders
21:25 asciilifeform decimation: they do.
21:25 mircea_popescu decimation consumer society loves plastic. it'd shove it in its collective vagina if it could.
21:25 asciilifeform is diametric awake?
21:25 asciilifeform he owns a cnc mill, the size of a tv set.
21:26 asciilifeform (but he's a thinking man; no idea what 'maker derps' do)
21:26 decimation yeah I guess cnc mill counts for that
21:26 mircea_popescu you know one of you two needs to get a real name thing going. it's so fucking difficult for me to keep diametric and decimation apart in my head.
21:26 decimation or cnc lathe
21:26 * asciilifeform is satisfied with conventional lathe. but milling is another matter
21:26 decimation heh perhaps I should pick an orthogonal basis
21:27 asciilifeform point of the above unfinished tale is, most of the difficulty of machining as a field revolves around the unwanted sequelae of having to cut metal with metal.
21:27 asciilifeform (or with a 'knife' in the general sense)
21:27 decimation you mean dealing with broken bits, shavings, heat etc?
21:28 asciilifeform and annealing.
21:28 asciilifeform it is more or less impossible to anneal (and, opposite, harden) all but the smallest objects in 'jungle conditions'
21:28 mircea_popescu the friction heat'd be the problem
21:28 asciilifeform 'work hardening', yes
21:28 asciilifeform you cut, and the metal in that place is now hardenes.
21:28 asciilifeform *hardened
21:29 asciilifeform have to take the piece out of the machine, anneal (soften) it, re-mount, re-align...
21:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually one should be able to anneal in jungle conditions. put gun on rock, put lens on gun around 7am. by early morning next...
21:29 asciilifeform need even heat and specific 'curve.'
21:29 mircea_popescu but the sun heat is even.
21:30 decimation what about plasma cutter? wouldn't that heat while cutting?
21:30 asciilifeform yes, you can build an oven 'archimedes'-style
21:30 mircea_popescu something like that yea.
21:30 asciilifeform plasma cutter is generally a 2d affair.
21:30 mircea_popescu decimation you familiar with adiabatic as a concept ?
21:31 mircea_popescu "too fast for meaningful heat exchange"
21:31 decimation yeah that makes sense, too little mass in contact
21:31 asciilifeform outside of the russian world, electrolytic machining only caught on in 2d - this is how circuit boards are made. (photographic etching)
21:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform iirc plasma cutting is 2d for a very similar reason : too damned expensive.
21:32 mircea_popescu there is some 3d ablative tech sort-of similar, but mostly limited to medicinal use
21:33 decimation well water-jet cutting is up there too
21:33 asciilifeform heat deforms.
21:33 asciilifeform this is a bitch if you actually care about 3d geometry
21:34 midnightmagic where's rapatan when you need him
21:35 TheNewDeal water-jet ... that's what I do!
21:39 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal srsly ?
21:39 decimation waterjet is pretty cool, but it has its own "sequelae", not fit for pauper-tech
21:39 TheNewDeal yah. I just set em up
21:39 TheNewDeal they cut out granite, marble, and man-made stone for the most part. I've heard some people cut steel with em
21:40 TheNewDeal counter-tops that is
21:40 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/AR8UVBW
21:40 assbot ('chemistry and life') 1990, vol. 1, pp. 83 - Imgur
21:40 asciilifeform ^ posted for your pleasure
21:40 asciilifeform for those who don't know russian, the photo should suffice.
21:40 asciilifeform how to drill a hole without a drill.
21:41 TheNewDeal they're CNC machines though, so you can do some cool in-lay stuff with em though http://imgur.com/Botjoww I did that with a guy in chicago
21:41 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
21:41 asciilifeform reprint of a 1973 article in same.
21:41 asciilifeform gears are routinely cut with waterjet, or plasma torch, or electric arc (not to be confused with electrolytic) machine.
21:41 asciilifeform but none of these are pauperizable.
21:42 asciilifeform and they all require skill.
21:42 decimation asciilifeform: why do all of these machines continue to use "g-code"?
21:42 asciilifeform article suggests a useful 'household' application for the demo - poke a hole in a hardened steel knife where the handle fell off, to bolt on new handle.
21:43 asciilifeform try this with an ordinary drill! (without annealing to destroy knife's temper)
21:43 asciilifeform decimation: g-code << it's just simple coordinate motions, with some commands to specify tool changes, splines, etc. what would you have them use?
21:43 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal pretty cool.
21:43 TheNewDeal pauperizable? a monkey could run this machine
21:44 asciilifeform but could a monkey purchase it.
21:44 mircea_popescu !up Bitcoin1011
21:44 TheNewDeal a monkey with a cool 250k
21:44 asciilifeform lol
21:44 TheNewDeal thats funny money, not bitcoin
21:44 TheNewDeal decimation - yes g-code is used
21:45 decimation asciilifeform: something turing-complete?
21:45 TheNewDeal we draw all the programs out with software called alphacam , our company adds on a toolbar that automatically generates the g-code, then you literally just upload it to the machine and hit go
21:45 mircea_popescu i always was kinda fascinated by gem inlay/cutting.
21:45 mircea_popescu maybe when i retire i make myself a lab.
21:45 Bitcoin1011 Hi guys and girls, I'm looking for an android app developer with Bitcoin protocol experience, can anyone direct me?
21:45 asciilifeform turing-complete << this brings up another interesting observation - none of today's machine tools give the computer any feedback, beyond slide end-stop sensors
21:45 asciilifeform (even those are often absent from small machines)
21:46 asciilifeform the computer has no idea what, if anything, was actually cut - and hwo
21:46 asciilifeform *how
21:46 mircea_popescu Bitcoin1011 maybe RagnarDanneskjol when he wakes up.
21:46 asciilifeform an electrolytic mill could, conceivably, know how much metal was actually removed at time 't'
21:46 mircea_popescu but for that matter, so am i, the kids with the apps haven't yet discovered bitcoin pays better.
21:47 asciilifeform (current flow sensor, and, if clever, modulated current, exploit 'skin effect')
21:47 decimation asciilifeform: that's an interesting point
21:47 Bitcoin1011 thank you
21:47 asciilifeform i bring up electrolytic machining to explore a point - that tech meant for 'jungle conditions' is a very different field from what is presently dealt with by 'sane' engineers.
21:47 Bitcoin1011 Is he involved in other mobile apps in the space for my reference?
21:47 decimation for conductive metals you could measure resistance of liquid
21:48 asciilifeform the '3d printer' folks are still, by and large, thinking like 'normal' engineers.
21:49 asciilifeform e.g., their only public suggestion thus far for metalwork is laser sintering - cribbed straight from ordinary industry
21:49 TheNewDeal believing they can accomplish everything with one shitty machine?
21:50 asciilifeform sintering is only used in 'real life', generally, when there is no other choice (ceramics, and metals that really don't behave well in a mill like tungsten)
21:50 decimation to me the obvious use for plastic turd is to make molds for metal pouring
21:50 decimation I think titanium falls in that category sometimes too
21:51 asciilifeform Ti is pyrophoric but machineable if you must.
21:51 decimation but the process of melting and pouring most metals in jungle conditions is not very reliable
21:52 asciilifeform chairman mao's backyard furnaces, yes.
21:52 asciilifeform 'homo redditicus' will not be casting, machining, water-jetting, or lasering cannon.
21:52 asciilifeform but he might etch them.
21:53 asciilifeform (now that we helpfully pointed out how.)
21:54 decimation re: laser sintering: it seems to me that it is likely that you are going to leave "air bubbles" in the resulting metal, since you are melting piecemeal
21:54 asciilifeform not merely likely, but certain.
21:54 asciilifeform but the crystal structure disruption is the bigger deal there.
21:55 decimation you are making "metal stew" instead of smooth puree
21:55 asciilifeform correct.
21:56 decimation http://www.materialsviews.com/making-titanium-cheaper-hydrogen-sintering/ "To achieve high density and low oxygen titanium powder is typically sintered in high vacuum."
21:56 assbot Making Titanium Cheaper: Hydrogen Sintering
21:56 decimation thus negating the low cost benefit
21:56 TheNewDeal what the hell do you all mean jungle conditions?
21:57 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: resources available to an average person of modest means and lukewarm enthusiasm
21:57 TheNewDeal ahhh
21:57 TheNewDeal I could get you a waterjet... but it may just be a super-soaker with a paint job
21:58 decimation even if you had a free high-quality waterjet, one would have program, get water+abrasive, monitor cut closely, maintain jet machine
21:58 decimation none of which are going to be cheap or simple
22:00 decimation http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/08/12/tech-visionary-george-gilder-bitcoin-is << not the most articulate, but mildly interesting
22:00 assbot Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - Reason.com
22:01 decimation it's obvious that there's a segment of silicon valley circus that sees bitcoin as a way to exit from usg
22:02 TheNewDeal I just don't get why they think it's all about some party
22:02 TheNewDeal It's not libertarian - anybody can use it
22:05 decimation TheNewDeal: libertarians are going to claim whatever success they think they are aligned with, for facebook likes.
22:05 TheNewDeal ^laughs
22:06 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/AR8UVBW
22:06 assbot ('chemistry and life') 1990, vol. 1, pp. 83 - Imgur
22:06 asciilifeform ^ now with english translation!
22:07 decimation my uncle was a research chemist (retired) at a large chemical firm in rural us. he was always complaining about the low quality of "chemists" who graduate from us schools
22:08 asciilifeform decimation: aside from the unremarkable decay across the board of all things u.s., there is a specific phenomenon at work on chemists. in most u.s. schools, they do not actually teach chemistry. instead, they carry out an eleborate 'hazing ritual' for would-be med school applicants.
22:08 asciilifeform the students are asked to simply memorize the book of, e.g, organic reactions.
22:09 asciilifeform with little-to-none attention to principles
22:09 * asciilifeform did a 'second tour of duty' in undergrad ochem, as adult. and saw this alive.
22:09 decimation this is because of the relative high status of a doctor compared to a chemist actually working in a big chemical corporation
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22:10 asciilifeform decimation: they could have, in principle, decreed two sets of chemistry courses, one for med-muppetry, one for would-be chemists. but this did not happen.
22:10 asciilifeform * 'second tour of duty' in undergrad --- ochem << missing punctuation matters
22:12 decimation it is interesting how the us status hierarchy (bureaucrats on top, producers of things on bottom) has all kinds of distorting effects -- all of which is funded by the distortion of bezzle money
22:13 asciilifeform when and where did 'producers' inhabit anywhere but the 'bottom' ?
22:14 asciilifeform big chemical corporation:
22:14 asciilifeform ;;google "call in the lab nigger"
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22:14 asciilifeform fail
22:15 asciilifeform http://www.science-bbs.com/46-chem/9132b93eb4930bc0.htm
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22:15 decimation good point. http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/how-the-other-half-works-an-adventure-in-the-low-status-of-software-engineers/
22:15 assbot How the Other Half Works: an Adventure in the Low Status of Software Engineers | Michael O. Church
22:17 decimation managing stuff is always going to be lower status than managing humans, for obvious reasons
22:18 asciilifeform decimation: trivially true by mere definition.
22:19 decimation nevertheless, as mircea_popescu points out, business is about growth, and growth is about knowing how to manage stuff
22:20 asciilifeform required reading:
22:20 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/codemonkey.pdf
22:32 decimation lol. apparently some monkeys recognize the usefulness of the code monkey
22:32 TheNewDeal Quote from Tech Visionary George Glider "satoshi's worth a million bucks!"
22:32 peterl ping fluffypony
22:32 asciilifeform decimation: usefulness - and malleability.
22:33 TheNewDeal actually he may have said billion
22:34 asciilifeform (summary of paper: monkey is taught to solve a puzzle which unlocks a dispenser of tasty food. is placed in a cage of 'uneducated' monkeys. is then reliably beaten into dispensing the food for the 'bosses.')
22:34 decimation this is roughly the deal most "managers of stuff" find themselves in: we will pretend you are a normal human as long as you give us stuff
22:43 asciilifeform incidentally, for anyone who actually wants to try electrochemical machining, here is how NOT to do it:
22:43 asciilifeform http://reprap.org/wiki/Electrochemical_Machining
22:43 assbot Electrochemical Machining - RepRapWiki
22:44 asciilifeform these unfortunates, who, one can surmise, don't know russian, neglected the detail that one must pump the electrolyte.
22:44 asciilifeform the moving 'cutter' must be a nozzle where only a small area of liquid contacts the place to be cut.
22:45 asciilifeform on account of your electrolyte being, by definition, conductive - you can pump it electrohydrodynamically.
22:46 asciilifeform the funny thing is - they appear to understand exactly why the naive approach results in a putrid mess instead of the desired cut.
22:46 asciilifeform but never made the obvious conclusion.
22:53 TheNewDeal surprised by everyone's knowledge or machining/etc in here.
22:57 TheNewDeal I have only read the first few lines, but what's this one on http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/ ?
22:57 assbot The Most Serene Republic, and its laws. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:01 decimation TheNewDeal: you mean the Shakespeare play?
23:01 TheNewDeal it's just a trilema article written like shakespeare, no?
23:02 decimation no I'm pretty sure it's a direct quote from the merchant of venice
23:03 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/OBujdtC
23:03 assbot ECM for the thick - Imgur
23:03 asciilifeform ^ for the thick
23:05 asciilifeform if clever, emplace a magnetic field of the appropriate geometry around the fluid intake/return channels, so it is propelled entirely electrically. if even more clever, emplace a system in the reservoir to re-separate the metal from the electrolyte.
23:06 decimation asciilifeform: to be clear, you want to restrict the contact area of the "working liquid" to keep from ruining the whole sample, right?
23:07 asciilifeform corret.
23:07 asciilifeform c
23:08 asciilifeform alternatively, use a clever electrolyte that is only an electrolyte where illuminated by a laser.
23:08 decimation so I was going to ask about photo-etching
23:08 asciilifeform photo-etching is century-old SOP.
23:08 asciilifeform but strictly 2d.
23:09 TheNewDeal sop?
23:09 asciilifeform standard op. proc.
23:09 TheNewDeal that's what I was thinking...
23:09 asciilifeform every circuit board you own was created that way.
23:10 TheNewDeal I've worked in manufacturing envirorments for a few years now, was quite familiar with that acronym but didn't think you were using it for some reason
23:10 asciilifeform (unless you're a weirdo with a cnc mill and a very fine bit)
23:12 decimation well, and silicon die too, more or less
23:12 asciilifeform aye.
23:13 decimation it is odd that the process you are proposing is very similar to existing precision volume manufacturing yet has no "buy-in" from industry
23:14 asciilifeform because it has piss-poor ROI in ordinary industry (unless you're the ussr)
23:14 asciilifeform but for desktop machining - perfect. so long as you aren't in a hurry.
23:15 asciilifeform prominently missing from the napkin sketch is a number of necessaries (means for cooling the electrolyte, scrubbing metal out of it, positioning of the head, etc)
23:15 asciilifeform but should be clear to the alert reader that such things cannot be overlooked.
23:16 asciilifeform you must also vent (or burn) the H and the O
23:17 asciilifeform don't do it in your living room.
23:18 asciilifeform 'this has been a production of Orcish Science for the Human Experimentalist (TM). Hope you enjoyed the show.'
23:18 decimation lol
23:19 asciilifeform 'check out our other installments, such as Balanced Trinary Computing and Electrically Induced REM Sleep.'
23:20 asciilifeform 'all source code in REFAL, available on magnetized wire.'
23:20 decimation REFAL?
23:20 asciilifeform !s refal
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23:21 asciilifeform think 'lisp-like forth' or 'forth-like lisp' but that doesn't really cover it.
23:21 decimation heh. when I was young I taught myself programming with "user RPN" on HP calculator
23:22 decimation "user RPL" that is
23:23 decimation which in retrospect is basically lisp I guess
23:23 * asciilifeform was sometimes allowed to borrow one of these: http://rk86.com/frolov/mk61-5.jpg
23:24 decimation heh was that an hp knockoff?
23:24 asciilifeform not exactly
23:24 asciilifeform it was its own animal.
23:24 asciilifeform even had microcode bugs that were 'useful'
23:25 decimation original hp48 looked like it was styled in east germany: http://www.thimet.de/CalcCollection/Calculators/HP-48GX/HP-48GPlus-M.JPG I loved the clicky "tic-tac" keyboard
23:25 asciilifeform when you borked it, it would display this:
23:25 asciilifeform http://lurkmore.to/%D0%95%D0%93%D0%93%D0%9E%D0%93
23:25 assbot Lurkmore
23:25 asciilifeform and we always wondered what an 'EGGOG' was.
23:25 decimation lol
23:26 TheNewDeal something really bad obviously
23:26 TheNewDeal similar to eggnog
23:27 decimation asciilifeform: have you studied Greek, since Cyril gave you the same typography?
23:27 asciilifeform not other than superficially.
23:29 asciilifeform for some reason folks who lived in latinate script all their life are obsessed with typography
23:30 asciilifeform as if it were ever the 'hard part'
23:30 decimation heh yeah it's pretty easy to memorize another alphabet, it's much harder to remember grammar & vocabulary
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23:39 asciilifeform poor englishfolk don't even have character encoding in-jokes - e.g. http://lurkmore.to/%D0%91%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%9F%D0%9D%D0%AF
23:39 assbot Lurkmore
23:40 asciilifeform (bad encoding settings often result in hilariously-pronounceable garbage, some of which entered circulation as euphemism and otherwise)
23:46 decimation «оепейкчвх акъ йндхпнбйс!»
23:47 decimation unfortunately the encoding jokes don't translate on google
23:53 kakobrekla satisfying log. keep up the good work.
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23:58 decimation lol I didn't realize that there was a controversy about how to spell "Ukraine" in Cyrillic http://lurkmore.to/В/на
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