#trilema | 2014-08-11

you make the form on the post ill make assbot post to the form

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ima be stuck here having it all reimplemented ?

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kakobrekla: sure

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kakobrekla: easy enough

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<mircea_popescu> kakobrekla you know if that thing's not on github and you start doing speedballs or busgee jumping or w/e << What will lampelina allow?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00074748 = 5.4566 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.01479022 = 0.5029 BTC [-] {2}

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like she has a say re speedballs.

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his balls are speedy regardless :D

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:)

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Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3XHYG64.txt )

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!b 3

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mircea_popescu: how can I check if someone's in assbot's l2 wot? it doesn't look like b-otc.com has a method of doing this, and keeping/syncing a local db is silly

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BingoBoingo maybe she finds him in bed with like two goats and a snail gets angry and buries an axe into his skull

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Jason that's actually a good q. kakobrekla how does assbot do it ?

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Jason one direct way would be to take the sig in question and check if there's an assbot rating on it.

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mircea_popescu: How do you know that would trigger jealousy and not arousal?

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i do it by asking gribble

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how do you ask by gpg key ?

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;;ident EE6880F512F5590F

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Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

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no

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dunno if you can even

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;;list gpg

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auth, bcauth, bcregister, bcverify, changeaddress, changekey, eauth, echangekey, eregister, everify, ident, info, register, stats, unauth, and verify

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;;gpg info EE6880F512F5590F

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No such user registered.

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holy shit.

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;;info EE6880F512F5590F

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Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, GPG, MessageParser, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".

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hm

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;;stats

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I have 25 registered users with 34 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.

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i don't think you can even do that

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nuts.

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nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or http://bitcoin-otc.com to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ?

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#bitcoin-otc

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;;gettrust assbot kakobrekla

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 17 via 17 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011

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kakobrekla i suppose if worst comes to worst assbot can offer this as a function ? seeing how it already knows anyway ?

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;;isl2 EE6880F512F5590F

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Error: "isl2" is not a valid command.

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i guess so

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;;list

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Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BadWords, BitcoinData, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, User, (1 more message)

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;;more

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Utilities, and Web

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;;list RatingSystem

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deleteuser, getrating, gettrust, rate, rated, and unrate

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no idea

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too bad you cant parse http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com

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Index of /

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yea

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i'm just going to need to use the db

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w/e

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kakobrekla ya srsly.

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Is there a raw db for WoT?

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http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/wot.svg << ths is pretty good

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wot

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04:11:48 <+thestringpuller> Is there a raw db for WoT?

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yes

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thestringpuller yah

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thestringpuller: i'm going to be using the db

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that's how i'm going to do it

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where is the db?

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or access to it

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http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/

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Index of /bitcoinmirror/otc/today

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I'm trying to make a visualizer for the WoT for fun to get my d3 skills better

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Fuck yea

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thanks Jason

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<3

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thestringpuller that's a great idea.

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yah

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!s from:nanotube download

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0 results for 'from:nanotube download' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Ananotube+download

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I pinged nanotube awhile ago in otc but I guess I should have asked here first for the db

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7079 @ 0.00075038 = 5.3119 BTC [+]

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!up RagnarsBitch

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lol

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Jason : http://bitcoin-otc.com/otc/ straight from horse's mouth

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Index of /otc

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hmm anyway to import db into postgres?

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psql databasename < data_base_dump ?

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i thought .db's were in berkeleydb format

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(liket eh blockchain)

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i guess you can open in sqlite and do a sql dump

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anyway, good wot visualisation tools, especially assbot centric, are a good thing.

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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/13/us/politics/2013-budget-proposal-graphic.html << d3 is pretty cool in what it can do

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Four Ways to Slice Obamas 2013 Budget Proposal - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com

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peterl

which is better, DSA or RSA key?

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well

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lol

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peterl: https://superuser.com/questions/13164/what-is-better-for-gpg-keys-rsa-or-dsa

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security - What is better for GPG keys - RSA or DSA? - Super User

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peterl: tl;dr: i'd pick rsa. dsa has some hash weaknesses.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7118 @ 0.00074673 = 5.3152 BTC [-] {2}

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peterl

ok, thanks

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Bet created: "Winklevoss BTC ETF will trade on Nasdaq this year" http://bitbet.us/bet/1018/

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ok thats kinda misleading

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an official announcement of launch date will be sufficient for closure

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that's not really trading

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thanks for pointing out.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00074521 = 36.0682 BTC [-] {2}

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everyone on like eastern time now? Where are the austrailians and azns?

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http://contravex.com/2014/08/10/know-the-enemy-and-know-yourself/

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Know The Enemy And Know Yourself | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

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because penguirker is asleep at the wheel

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;;nethash

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172116220.504

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lol why are you in such a hurry. it takes like an hour

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;;later tell mike_c hey aren't nonpareils those little candy things on cakes ?

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The operation succeeded.

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mircea_popescu: it's been 6

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wow srsly ?

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ever since i moved to the new website, it's been taking fo eva

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ya, last one was like 12

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http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/

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Assets Assimilated

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ya it still sees your old one

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is your rss borkt ?

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hm possibly

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thestringpuller, not sure there are any other aussies besides Vexual and myself

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!s australian

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75 results for 'australian' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=australian

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i guess there is Graet as well but he defaults on loans so.

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he does ?

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i thought most of the ozzies preyed on coindeskers and redditards

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according to this thread, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218324.0 he doesn't even bother replying to them these days

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[BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily

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teh suck

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;;rated graet

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You have not yet rated user graet

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so basically what happened, ukto dragged him into teh swamp or what

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i guess Graet and Ukyo default on loans

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they still in chennel though

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^- cazalla

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in Chanel?

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:-P

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chanel no.3 ?

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well Graet is around, idle 2 minutes 48 seconds

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Ukyo is idle 13 hours 10 minutes

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!search Graet

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184 results for 'Graet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Graet

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hey fluffypony !

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!search from:Graet

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126 results for 'from:Graet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3AGraet

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maybe they've reached the IDGAF stage

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pete_dushenski:)

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thestringpuller, bitfunder + price rise fucked him i guess

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fluffypony still waiting on that latvia post… eh?

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last date in channel is sept 2013

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or last words spoken

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pete_dushenski: I'm on it

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it's my number 4 priority

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fluffypony: that's not bad ;)

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fluffypony 's #1 priority is being fluffy

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exactly, thestringpuller

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cazalla used to run a decent pool maybe a year or so ago. anything come of that ?

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fluffypony: so since that's never happening, our collective hopes and dreams now dashed, were you still planning to be back in europe in a few weeks?

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i think slush is the only mining pool that is still legit from "back in the day"

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mircea_popescu, i used it for a while until payouts slowed down and then were being claimed as paid out yet were not even unconfirmed

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pete_dushenski: my wife's had to go back a few days ago, her grandfather is in hospital and it looks like it's "last legs" stage, so depends on what happens there

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damn fluffypony I'm sorry to hear that :(

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;;rate graet -1 old timer and historically reasonable, but there's ~1k in unserviced debts and some nasty allegations re weexchange floating around.

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Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user graet has been recorded.

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always rough man

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;;gettrust slush

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user slush: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=slush | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=slush | Rated since: Thu Nov 11 10:34:28 2010

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yeah it's a tough one, but he is also getting on, so it's time I suppose

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;;rate slush 1 used to mine with him in 2011, still running, never knew he was in WoT.

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Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user slush has been recorded.

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;;rate slush 1 used to mine in his pool in 2011, still running, never knew he was in WoT, seems legit.

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Rating entry successful. Your rating for user slush has changed from 1 to 1.

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"it's time" yea. :'(

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always in good spirits mr. fluffypony

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penguirker

New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/10/know-the-enemy-and-know-yourself/

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lol

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;;rated slush

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You have not yet rated user slush

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I'm just pragmatic :-P

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no way i haven't ?!

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;)

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i rated him back in 2012, when the linode hack made bitcoinica go belly up and he was also affected

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but he covered out of pocket.

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wtf is this.

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thanks penguirker !

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deleted spaces in functions.php and voila!

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well fluffypony should you be in the baltic area towards the end of the month, you'll know who to call for lunch :)

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!up RagnarDanneskjol

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pete_dushenski: deal

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re: know thy enemy; interesting read here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2456618

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Autonomous Scientifically Controlled Screening Systems for Detecting Information Purposely Concealed by Individuals by Nathan Twyman, Paul Benjamin Lowry, Judee K. Burgoon, Jay F. Nunamaker :: SSRN

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sounds exactly like asciilifeform's rectothermal analysis

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oohh whats that

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or is it rectalthermal?

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how long does it take for a key to register with van-ads ?

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RagnarDanneskjol afaik, an idea wherein the big bad man shakes you down for your private keys no matter where you store them

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.000745 = 22.5363 BTC [-]

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awesome

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hence the rectum

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mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ? << lol what about brahms, mendelssohn, and co?

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yep - or the so-called "pipe wrench attack"

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where someone beats you with a pipe wrench till you give them your privkeys or password or whatever

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ben_vulpes: i can't register for van the request is still going but it looks like it's gonna time out...

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thestringpuller: what are you advertising?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00074856 = 4.5288 BTC [+]

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http://i.imgur.com/yRqhNt1.jpg

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pete_dushenski: you'll seen when I start advertising

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see*

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jesus too tired for this

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WHY IS THE REQUEST STILL SPINNING

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ben_vulpes: fix this

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lol

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pete_dushenski, an INTP eh, i'm an INFP according to that test

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;;later tell ben_vulpes please to fix van pgp so thestringpuller can advertise his muffins

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The operation succeeded.

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cazalla: a feeler eh?

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pete_dushenski, supposedly but i think it's bullshit

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"INFPs are flexible and laid-back, until one of their values is violated." << lulz

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that article leads me to believe you have the secret under your pillow btw :P

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.000745 = 24.3243 BTC [-]

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the rectal probists will never look under mah pillow

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"INFPs are usually talented writers." << so cazalla, where's your blog?

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i stopped when the adsense monies ceased to flow

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 169 @ 0.02523161 = 4.2641 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 169 @ 0.014791 = 2.4997 BTC [-]

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cazalla: then there's never been a better time to get back on the horse

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van-ads is going to do for blog advertising what that bald dude did for dishsoap

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or so i've been lead to believe...

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pete_dushenski, there is nothing i could write that would be of any interest to anyone here and in the past it was about quantity, quality wasn't even a consideration (until google decided it was)

03:26

kyuupichan

kakobrekla: Why have 2 new bets gone straight into closed state? Some bitbet code update bug? I assume you're aware....

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.000745 = 2.1605 BTC [-]

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mircea_popescu: indeed, and from what I can tell, you don't self censor all that much. But somehow I don't picture you as selfless.

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+pete_dushenski> ;;later tell ben_vulpes please to fix van pgp so thestringpuller can advertise his muffins << you're a bully

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lol

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jurov

!mpif

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BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]

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jurov

hi all

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.000745 = 23.4675 BTC [-]

03:51

hi jurov

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khersonus selfless ?

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kyuupichan shitty bets, got past mod in training.

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<thestringpuller> how long does it take for a key to register with van-ads ? << from what i've seen 30 seconds

03:53

khersonus: you mentioned self censorship works towards the interest of the individual. So, lack of self censorship should do the opposite. You don't seem to self censor much, so, you're looking out for the interests of us all?

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mircea_popescu: ^

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<pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ? << lol what about brahms, mendelssohn, and co? << just being an asshole lol

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38272 @ 0.00074436 = 28.4881 BTC [-] {3}

03:54

khersonus i said it doesn't.

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Bet created: "Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day" http://bitbet.us/bet/1019/

03:55

"self censorship rarely if always works towards the interest of the individuala" maybe you meant to say "rarely if never"?

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anyway

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if ever yeah

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i guess i got confused.

03:56

one of the benefits of this +v thing is that we can tell people have been auth'd, right? but you can get +v if someone else !up's you, right?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9EKv-LM1nI

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Seinfeld: Kramer - Cooking Jewish Delicacies [HQ] - YouTube

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then it's not clear if you're auth'd or not

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;;ident khersonus

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Nick 'khersonus', with hostmask 'khersonus!~kher@ip-69-172-229-134.chunkhost.com', is identified as user 'khersonus', with GPG key id 06A6FE4336524BF8, key fingerprint C467B1F51C3F093E702D69AC06A6FE4336524BF8, and bitcoin address None

03:57

you can always check with gribble.

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yes, but you can't if you're looking through the logs

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but, it's a minor detail

03:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00074428 = 14.5507 BTC [-] {2}

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khersonus: there's always http://otcdb.us.to/otc/

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OTC events search

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what's the reason for mpex.co being down for so long?

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punkman: oh, cool, didn't know that existed

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a woman!

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a woman!? she needs to get on it

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khersonus: it's well handy, http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?*khersonus*

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OTC *khersonus*

04:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4175 @ 0.00074856 = 3.1252 BTC [+]

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mircea_popescu: what did she do, use the mop on the servers?

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no but i mean what a silly question!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7gghv7r1fA << here. she was TOO TALL

04:02

Tall Goddess Severa comparison - YouTube

04:03

lolshoes

04:17

Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/

04:20

Bet placed: 1.00089999 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1009 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.

04:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00074991 = 13.6109 BTC [+] {2}

04:25

osrsly ?

04:25

Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 33(Y):67(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.1009 BTC. Current weight: 99,993.

04:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15592 @ 0.00075013 = 11.696 BTC [+]

04:32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_3T-Af57Pg lulzy.

04:32

How does the financial system work - YouTube

04:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00075064 = 23.6452 BTC [+] {3}

04:39

mircea_popescu, those guys have been around for years on au tv, pretty funny

04:39

yeah i just discovered them

04:39

but yeah, solid.

~ 15 minutes ~

04:55

;;ticker

04:55

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 587.45, Best ask: 587.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.31000, Last trade: 587.45, 24 hour volume: 3329.03181055, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 0

05:03

%nethash

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;;nethash

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173550417.936

05:08

looks like someones buying up surplus nuclear gigawattage

05:12

Vexual: the swiss have perfected this sport.

05:12

;;estimate

05:12

Next difficulty estimate | 23704564296.8 based on data since last change | 24244343363.7 based on data for last three days

05:12

buy from france germany and italy when GWh are cheap; pump up water to their reservoirs; sell water-powered "green" energy when the price is high.

05:12

hows that xmj?

05:12

ahhh

05:12

nuclear-fueled green energy!

05:13

Vexual: it's a very simple tempospatial arbitrage strategy. <3

05:13

<3

05:14

nuclear is pretty fuckin green anyway

05:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074933 = 8.0178 BTC [-]

05:15

well, ze germans replaced nuclear by… coal

05:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4023 @ 0.00074916 = 3.0139 BTC [-]

05:19

really?

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yeah.

05:21

why?

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yes.

05:22

cause ecologist = libtard = clueless idiot ?

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because Democracy.

05:22

theres no reason they can't take their shirt off in a nuclear plant

05:23

i've spoken to Christian Lindner, three weeks before Fukushima, in some FDP event in Frankfurt.

05:23

to the question why everone else is building nukes around german boarders and we aren't he (in some convoluted answer) replied that "we couldn't get this through parliament and run through the population."

05:24

particular about the steam

05:24

i kinda get it

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i don't think the steam stuff is even used anymore.

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of course it is, most nukes runs off steam

05:27

sodium powered "fast breeders" are really really rare

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and if you're pumping seawter anyway, you can pipe some thru a membrane and get freshwater

05:29

whats a breeder?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_breeder#Fast_breeder_reactor

05:30

Breeder reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

05:31

As of 2006, all large-scale fast breeder reactor (FBR) power stations have been liquid metal fast breeder reactors (LMFBR) cooled by liquid sodium. These have been of one of two designs:[1]

05:31

...

05:32

hmm

05:33

Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.1109 BTC. Current weight: 99,936.

05:35

it makes different charcoal? and everyone has one?

05:43

!up praeconium

05:45

hi praeconium

05:56

noone ever learned to cut fugu with their mouth closed

05:58

more fugu!

06:04

:D

06:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00074916 = 5.9933 BTC [-]

06:10

!up praeconium

06:14

airconditioners stoves and televisions

06:18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VY1XpsuQnI

06:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27176 @ 0.000751 = 20.4092 BTC [+] {3}

06:19

wyrdmantis +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

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!up wyrdmantis

06:20

thanks Vexual

06:20

np

06:23

i'm confused. Now i need to get rated in the wot but don't know how...

06:24

what do you have o say you odd shaped freak?

06:26

same old things

06:28

not you nubs, you look normal, i was talking to the mantis

06:28

o

06:28

:)

06:28

hows business?

06:29

hey sorry :)

06:29

i'm confused, i've registered my gpg... now?

06:30

am I already in the WoT?

06:31

i'm a totally newbie :)

06:32

what are you trying to do mantis?

06:33

i'm trying to understand how to get trust

06:34

what u need trust for?

06:37

i don't "need"... i'm just trying to understand what all this WoT is about, to get in contact with you "strong" bitcoiners :)

06:37

xanthyos

hi

06:38

what do you do with your trust Vexual?

06:38

i ear it

06:38

*fear

06:39

but bitcoin is a thing, and i might need it

06:41

wyrdmantis: these might help: http://contravex.com/2014/03/27/who-what-where-when-why-web-of-trust/ http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/

06:41

The 5 Ws of WoT | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

06:41

What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

06:42

so... here i could get... a loan in bitcoin for example?

06:43

yeah i've red contravex

06:44

ok, maybe i must re-read

06:45

at least now i'm registered with gribble :D

06:45

;;gettrust assbot wyrdmantis

06:45

Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!1fbdc9c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.189.201.195. Trust relationship from user assbot to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=wyrdmantis | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wyrdmantis | Rated since: never

06:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17O3lL1aUrg

06:46

whats the loan for?

06:49

yeah, first is to improve my rating, i'm a trader, i've got many loans on btcjam

06:49

drop a link bitch

06:50

vut you're talking about corruption

06:52

!up wyrdmantis

06:52

wyrdmantis: generally, asking for and receiving loans is a poor way to earn trust

06:52

corruption?

06:52

nubbins, ok

06:53

what's a better way?

06:53

that's fine in the fiat, aka fake bitcoin ($, €, etc), world

06:53

a better way to gain trust is to perform actions that cause others to trust you

06:53

this is an impossibly open answer, i know

06:54

suppose a stranger approached you on the street and asked for a loan of $20 for one week. you said sure, gave him the $20, a week later he finds you and pays you back.

06:54

do you trust this person now?

06:54

do you trust them enough to loan them another $20? $100? $1000?

06:54

yeah, i have your point

06:55

link your btcjam thing

06:55

personally, i don't trust people who take loans at all

06:55

others may have different criteria

06:55

on btcjam it works

06:55

its a thing

06:55

ok vexual, wait a moment

06:56

btcjam works for the people building reputation until they can walk out with a bigger loan

06:57

yeah i wouldn't touch it with dub's dick

06:58

https://btcjam.com/listings/18263

06:58

Business (Loan listing #18263) - BTCJam

06:59

i understand punkman, but this don't preclude honest people to do things right

06:59

I've always repaid loans

07:00

you mine?

07:00

not directly

07:00

pankakke, who said odd shaped freak?

07:01

wyrdmantis: sure, until cryptostocks or havelol blow up

07:01

but forget btcjam, i'm not here for it, i'm here to learn

07:01

where are you from?

07:02

my same fears punkman... that's one the reasons i'm here

07:02

Italy

07:02

wyrdmantis: do you have some btc reserve for when that happens?

07:03

of course

07:04

but now that you tell me that...

07:04

then give me a fuckin loan

07:04

i think i'm going to stop and change stategy

07:04

wyrdmantis: that might be prudent

07:05

how much do you need?

07:05

;;rate wyrdmantis 1 #b-a voice

07:05

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wyrdmantis has been recorded.

07:05

wyrdmantis: you can now /msg assbot !up

07:06

thanks punkman

07:06

i feel like a bug over the enciclopedya britannica

07:07

wyrdmantis: here's a havelock hedge btw, http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/

07:07

BitBet - And Then There Was One :: 7.59 B (35%) on Yes, 14.04 B (65%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 days | weight: 26`406 (100`000 to 1)

07:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoA3SGPDj1E

07:07

i have to disconnect now... see you later . Thanks for your patience.

07:17

;;later tell mike_c https://atc.waroflife.com/ is throwing 500 errors

07:17

The operation succeeded.

07:18

has it got a sexy splash?

07:19

with go fast s tripes?

07:21

yo mr hunt, ruby brought you coffee

07:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00074791 = 23.6714 BTC [-] {2}

07:29

!up putler

07:30

!up Quanttek

07:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00075125 = 32.6043 BTC [+] {3}

07:33

someone is really hitting swurches

07:33

*switches

07:37

http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2d7o96/consider_this_my_official_return_to_the_sub/

07:37

Consider this my official return to the sub :) : dogecoin

07:38

looks like palmer came back to /r/dogecoin.. to slang that stellar i bet

07:40

whois palmer?

07:40

I want to sell my free stellar but most exchanges look annoying

07:40

yo punkman, you got a mercator projection in ascii?

07:41

Vexual, the dogecoin creator/marketer

07:42

how does one obtain stealler?

07:42

with a facebook account

07:43

or coins on the real chain at some point in the future?

07:45

don't have facebook, i was gonna use missus account but figured stellar would post shit all over her wall

07:45

shall we do an experiemnt pankkake?

07:46

i think bitcoin 2.0 is better served with bitcoin 1.0

07:46

it doesn't, I used another account too

07:46

they use it to avoid farming I guess

07:46

but you could fool it with fake accounts with fake friends

07:47

yes, its more an adoption technique than anything

07:48

altcoin with X is still an altcoin

07:51

;;google ascii worldmap

07:51

ASCII Art - Maps: <http://www.retrojunkie.com/asciiart/maps/maps.htm>; F-Secure Labs Malware World Map, ASCII Edition - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8_tgR0Nc4>; Asciiworld.com : Maps: <http://www.asciiworld.com/-Maps-.html>

07:51

pankkake: what's the price of stellar on the exchanges?

07:52

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/stellar/ 0.00000801 BTC

07:52

Stellar (STR) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations

07:52

how much bc for a facebook?

07:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24339 @ 0.00075165 = 18.2944 BTC [+]

07:52

so this isn't worth it at all

07:52

vexual, facebook account costs about $0.05

07:53

how much in stardust today?

07:54

5000 STR per facebook

07:54

earnings not cost

07:54

so $24 per facebook

07:54

fail

07:55

one can already make a contract wit bitcoin

07:57

https://xrptalk.org/topic/3638-ripple-stellar-how-did-we-get-here/ this is too funny

07:57

Ripple Stellar how did we get here? - General Discussion - XRPtalk

07:58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1CaN4thI5w

07:59

asssbot ignores me?

08:02

!up los_pantalones

08:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GozE6XEqg

08:08

nubs

08:10

!up nubbins`

08:10

zing

08:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00075168 = 11.2 BTC [+] {2}

08:15

got one for you too

08:15

;;google mommy and me are animals

08:15

Mommy & Me rescue - Shamokin, Pennsylvania - Animal Shelter ...: <https://www.facebook.com/MommyMeRescue>; Mommy & me rescue - Adopt a Pet: <http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/85327.html>; - Mommy & me rescue - Shamokin, PA Rescue Animals: <http://mommyandme.rescueme.org/>

08:15

fuck, wait

08:15

;;google jonathan meese mommy and me are animals

08:15

Jonathan Meese & his mother | Louisiana Channel: <http://channel.louisiana.dk/video/jonathan-meese-his-mother-mummi-and-me-are-animals>; Jonathan Meese & his mother: Mommy and me are animals - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxQntdMjwI>; Jonathan Meese – Bortolami Gallery: <http://www.bortolamigallery.com/artists/jonathan-meese/>

08:15

^

08:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32371 @ 0.00074851 = 24.23 BTC [-] {2}

08:30

wow, in the coldest part of the last ice age, earth's average temperature was only 4.5C below the 20th century norm

08:32

imagine

08:35

thats enough to change currents

08:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00074443 = 13.772 BTC [-] {2}

08:43

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R99Ia4PpXIc

08:44

hi all :)

08:44

hola

08:44

wow, glad i don't live in ferguson, mo

08:44

ohai

08:45

hoy hoy so i have to do the everify thing every time i log in?

08:45

yahmon

08:45

i wish i've studied programming

08:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00074394 = 10.1176 BTC [-] {2}

08:48

real life is the best teacher

08:48

i assumed you were chinese

08:49

besides, pgp is useful. you'll be glad you learned

08:51

can i change pgp key later?

08:54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6j4f8cHBIM

08:54

changing pgp keys is messy, make a good one to start with

08:55

^

08:55

lol no i'm italian... we have been invaded by chinese instead... they're buying and opening shops everywhere

08:55

you can, but yeah... what chetty said

08:55

slovakistan!

08:55

opt for maximum strength, save yourself a hassle down the road

08:55

wyrdmantis: why don't italians buy the shops?

08:56

they do, it's only on paper

08:56

i think chinese don't pay taxes like italians have to do

08:56

italians pay tax now?

08:57

aahaha not everyone but the majority yes

08:57

the gov everywhere raising taxes is good, people are using their heads to find alternatives

08:58

and thinking is good for everyone

08:58

also, almost everyone pays less respect what he should

08:59

so it's too late? the pgp i've created is fucking short

09:00

wyrdmantis: you mean you have a short password for it?

09:00

2048

09:00

you havent registered it yet?

09:00

2048 is the minimum

09:00

i like people that get different stats than me

09:00

the passphrase is long

09:00

how long is long? :D

09:01

mine's in the neighbourhood of 100 characters

09:01

err 39 chars

09:01

better than 8, i guess ;D

09:02

yeah :) but you think it's enough?

09:02

wyrdmantis: ideally you'd want to make keys on an airgapped machine

09:02

what do you think?

09:03

nubbins`: is it buttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbutts ?

09:03

a small padlock is enough for my shed; a u-lock is enough for my bike; a deadbold and handle lock is enough for my home; a safety deposit box is enough for my valuables

09:03

"enough" depends on how you plan to use a given thing

09:04

pankkake: yes but i change the As to 4s and the Es to 3s

09:04

punkman: you mean an offline machine?

09:04

he means a machine that never has and never will connect to the internet :D

09:04

!s trilema airgap

09:04

3 results for 'trilema airgap' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=trilema+airgap

09:04

again, your level of paranoia should be commensurate to your desired level of security

09:07

if its so complicated you wind up cutting corners, its bad

09:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyx4QeRRdg

09:09

they can't stole my btc with my pgp key, so i fell safe for now

09:09

*feel

09:09

well this is fascinating

09:09

indeed

09:09

I just stumbled across an old Satoshi post on Bitcointalk

09:09

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2151.msg28228#msg28228

09:09

JSON-RPC method idea: list transactions newer than a given txid

09:10

he basically says that you should never rely on the details of a transaction as a developer

09:10

as they can change

09:10

he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks

09:10

"Programmers are naturally inclined to want to use listtransactions like this: feed me the new transactions since I last asked, and I'll keep my own tally or static record of them. This will seem to work in all regular use, but if you use the amounts for anything, it is highly exploitable"

09:11

the genreal thing is to ask .info

09:11

what you think devs read history? Its right in there with reading the manual

09:11

of course, mtgox got hit the other way round, but it's still pretty funny

09:11

chetty: yeah, but it just goes to show eh

09:11

present company excpted of course

09:14

i don't like drunk satoshi

09:16

repeating transactions ad finitum

09:20

i guess theres a reason to not have the real client reported

09:20

satoshi busines

09:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtUVQei3nX4

09:32

;;estimate

09:32

Next difficulty estimate | 23452248634.0 based on data since last change | 24186371906.8 based on data for last three days

09:40

thats not how you play frogger

09:49

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-10/conditioned-human-nature-within-insane-asylum

09:51

How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only normal we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy?

09:51

that's what daniel quinn asked :D

09:52

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 89 @ 0.02523161 = 2.2456 BTC [-]

09:54

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 89 @ 0.01482559 = 1.3195 BTC [-] {3}

10:04

http://bitbet.us/bet/1017/uro-coin-to-trade-below-001-btc-dec/ wat?

10:04

BitBet - URO coin to trade below .001 BTC Dec 15th :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closed 11 hours 19 minutes ago

10:06

%d

10:06

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1768652.91 in 599 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 276.67

10:07

%p

10:07

[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6681.44 GH/s

10:10

"String of blocks will reject payments lower than 0.0001 BTC before the end of December 2014" the guy almost had it right, I'm submitting a better bet even though I don't really see the point :p

10:11

for the good of the project, that's the point!

10:13

he made it about devs policy, it should be about policy

10:13

bbl, printing

10:13

+pool

10:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19680 @ 0.00074353 = 14.6327 BTC [-] {2}

~ 16 minutes ~

10:33

http://www.scribd.com/doc/236422042/Timeline-Correlation-Jeremy-Hammond-and-Anarchaos

10:33

Timeline Correlation: Jeremy Hammond and Anarchaos

10:34

Bet placed: 6 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 74.33365572 BTC. Current weight: 16,530.

10:38

The more certain I think I am, the higher the likelihood I am wrong for the simple reasons that I am unwilling to consider any other alternative plus I have now embodied my belief so tightly to 'me' that to question what I 'know' is to question the very basis of 'me'.

10:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00074587 = 19.3926 BTC [+] {3}

10:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.266 = 1.862 BTC [-] {2}

~ 15 minutes ~

11:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00074846 = 10.0997 BTC [+] {2}

11:11

%t

11:11

[X-BT] Bid: 189 Ask: 250 Last Price: 187 24h-Vol: 345k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198

11:18

!up mike_c

11:20

;;later tell punkman thanks, fixed. warp speed mining caused an issue.

11:20

The operation succeeded.

11:20

Oh yeah, WoL hasn't been around long enough to experience the full possible speed of ATC mining

11:21

%d

11:21

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1780729.41 in 557 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.24

11:24

is WoL still using ATC bets too?

11:25

Yeah

~ 16 minutes ~

11:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.0007432 = 8.138 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

11:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00074251 = 13.8107 BTC [-] {2}

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.66538592 BTC to 13`068 shares, 12744 satoshi per share

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 14.30585072 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1244 satoshi per share

12:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14271 @ 0.00074229 = 10.5932 BTC [-] {2}

12:11

!up Pumped

12:11

!up Aholic

12:11

Pumped

!up

12:11

Pumped

hello

12:11

Hello

12:11

Pumped

whats happening folks?

12:11

Aholic

hey

12:11

Oh, not to much

12:14

;;ticker

12:14

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.91, Best ask: 587.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 587.96, 24 hour volume: 2619.03081782, 24 hour low: 584.71, 24 hour high: 591.94, 24 hour vwap: 0

12:17

!t m s.wol

12:17

[MPEX:S.WOL] 1D: 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 7D: 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0.000042 / 0.0000488 / 0.00008888 (25901 shares, 1.26 BTC)

12:17

!t m s.nsa

12:17

[MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000101 / 0.000101 / 0.000101 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0.000101 / 0.000101 / 0.000101 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC)

12:17

!t m s.mpoe

12:17

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007422 / 0.00075233 / 0.0007749 (979066 shares, 736.59 BTC), 7D: 0.0007422 / 0.00085072 / 0.00094217 (5097763 shares, 4,336.81 BTC), 30D: 0.0007422 / 0.00082499 / 0.00094217 (11932071 shares, 9,843.94 BTC)

12:23

http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-chinese-bitcoin-mine/

12:23

Inside a Chinese Bitcoin Mine | The CoinsmanThe Coinsman

12:28

lol "As old hardware becomes dated and unprofitable to run, it really piles up. Theres retired old Avalon machines all over the place."

12:28

TomServo

I liked: not “socialism-for-banks-but-we’ll-call-it-capitalism-anyways”

12:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 69 @ 0.015044 = 1.038 BTC [+]

12:35

%t

12:35

[X-BT] Bid: 190 Ask: 250 Last Price: 189 24h-Vol: 348k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198

12:36

%d

12:36

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1775259.29 in 526 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 278.08

12:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.015044 = 0.6318 BTC [-]

12:37

%ob

12:37

722@279 8k@260 17k@250 | 39k@190 22k@189 100k@188

12:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12533 @ 0.00074486 = 9.3353 BTC [+]

~ 18 minutes ~

13:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35485 @ 0.00074995 = 26.612 BTC [+] {2}

13:06

http://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2014/aug/10/leaning-in-why-women-still-need-feminism?CMP=twt_gu

13:06

'Instead of leaning in, I leaned out': why women still need feminism | Money | theguardian.com

13:06

We didnt have the right to credit cards in our own names until 1974

13:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21602 @ 0.00075137 = 16.2311 BTC [+]

13:17

;;bc,stats

13:17

13:20

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/08/us-cruciblecapital-charges-idUSKBN0G828Y20140808

13:20

New York brokerage CEO criminally charged with obstructing SEC| Reuters

13:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6140 @ 0.00075169 = 4.6154 BTC [+]

13:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00074919 = 10.0766 BTC [-] {2}

13:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 110 @ 0.01490027 = 1.639 BTC [+] {3}

13:46

"The farm employs three people whose job it is to monitor the machinery and make sure that all the machines are working properly. They work around the clock, in three shifts, and do a walkabout of the floor once per hour to check everything. The guys live here mostly full time, going home for 4 or 5 days once a month. They sleep on the premises."

13:46

sounds like some honest hard work over there

13:48

oh and "Despite the massive and powerful air current created by these massive industrial fans, the inside of the mining farm still manages to hold steady at 40° Celsius (105° f) the entire time."

13:48

like actual mining, innit

13:52

lol

~ 19 minutes ~

14:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71369 @ 0.00074828 = 53.404 BTC [-] {4}

14:12

!search otc db

14:12

4 results for 'otc db' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=otc+db

14:14

channel is dead today

14:27

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 540 @ 0.00187069 = 1.0102 BTC [+] {4}

14:40

!up bats_cd03

14:40

o hayy

14:41

https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/08/ether-sale-a-statistical-overview a report from the belly of the chumpatron

14:41

ethereum blog | Ether Sale: A Statistical Overview

14:42

Nice work digging that up

14:43

'Thus, the fact that the majority of purchases occurred at the end shows that ether purchasers are generally a rather sophisticated audience – which I suppose you should be if you managed to be convinced to trade your hard-earned BTC for some cryptographic tokens backed by a concept of “generalized consensus computing”.'

14:43

trolling hard

14:43

"As a final set of interesting statistics, we have calculated three Gini indices"

14:44

"The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop?

14:45

chumpatron needs recharge time for each money bomb

14:46

"The intent is to withdraw 4150 BTC from our exodus address within the next 48 hours."

14:47

" 2650 BTC will be distributed to pay for loans for prior expenses" ' “we” will not be selling any portion of this 2650 BTC on exchanges ourselves, although individuals may choose to independently convert the BTC that they receive into fiat '

14:47

right

14:49

"note that the distribution of the endowment is quasi-public; although names of all individuals are not published (though everyone is free to disclose their own portion voluntarily"

14:49

schrodinger's ledger

14:49

;;calc [ticker --last] * 2650

14:49

1532813

14:50

some loan.

14:50

"the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000"

14:50

not as much a loan as a gift

14:51

"This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards"

14:51

"This transparency is top notch."

14:59

http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/08/fertilizer-raw-material-made-with-water-air-and-sunlight/

14:59

Water and air are all you need to make one of worlds most important chemicals | Ars Technica

14:59

danielpbarron

"..ETH as being the token with the 8th highest total value.." << non-existent token has value?

15:00

danielpbarron

kinda like how some mystics sell hope to grieving loved-ones

15:02

TRANSPARENT+++++++ Would see through again

15:04

%d

15:04

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1775635.45 in 463 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 278.16

15:06

thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right this moment why the request timed out.

15:06

er, registration

15:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00074371 = 7.5858 BTC [-]

15:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00074214 = 2.783 BTC [-] {2}

15:08

https://soundcloud.com/c2cdjs/steviewonderc2c

15:08

Stevie Wonder - Superstition (C2C Remix) by C2C on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds

15:08

sold some casascius coins today, supper's on me tonight ;p

15:09

do i have to give it up afterwards

15:10

ben_vulpes: I've been having similat troubles retrieving my otp

15:11

btw what happened with the bitcoin posters taht were suppose to be printed?

15:12

!up bats_cd03

15:12

they're in the queue, and are still supposed to be printed :D

15:12

https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo05.pdf most recent zine of PoC || GTFO

15:12

aok

15:12

had an epiphany regarding the design a couple hours ago actually

15:12

gonna be good

15:13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKnloiM-0Ns

15:13

Crazy Asian Mother by Erick Liang - YouTube

15:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0104667 = 1.0467 BTC [+] {2}

15:20

!up the20year

15:20

and here I was gonna auth with gribble :D

15:21

!down the20year

15:22

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3JVTR74.txt )

15:22

!b 2

15:22

!up the20year

15:22

i actually did it myself this time :D

15:22

all that effort for nothing

15:22

!down the20year

15:22

the20year +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

15:22

!up the20year

15:23

What happened to my wot ratings?

15:23

no clue

15:23

;;gettrust assbot the20year

15:23

Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.119.211. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014

15:23

pankakke gave me -1? nice

15:24

Great....

15:24

;;rate the20year 1 Going long on Ohio is prolly stupid but hasn't run away yet

15:24

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user the20year has been recorded.

15:24

thx

15:25

I don't know what i did to pankakke to PO him, this FUD thing dropped share prices pretty signfiicantly and added pretty major volatility to the stock

15:26

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/state-passes-law-legalize-self-defense-police/

15:26

State Passes Law to Legalize Shooting Police | The Free Thought Project

15:26

IL?

15:26

Rather, indiana?

15:27

Yeah, supposedly the state got sued by the FOP and they may strike it down, although the supreme court decision was a re-affirmation of basic self defense laws, and against the police idemnity laws

15:27

It's really a solid explanation of IN self defense laws and prevents immunity of anyone

15:28

Well, doesn't give immunity to any one regardless of position

15:29

Well when these things get litigated in shows where people stand

15:29

This is all of course from that case of the guy shooting police who were shooting him in the botched drug raid, the guy in the end i think was no-billed

15:30

Heating up https://atc.waroflife.com/gow/25/

15:30

Game 25 - Death 5611 Life 4389 Year 290 - War of Life

15:31

get your bets in quick. fricking ATC miners are going nuts.

15:31

%d

15:31

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1773215.83 in 449 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 277.64

15:32

i might bring a miner online after diff change...

15:32

%tslb

15:32

0 minutes and 56 seconds

15:32

i'm going to write a blog post on the last BTC game soon. it was interesting to me that more of the free money didn't get picked up, although TheNewDeal did grab some.

15:33

mebbe someone figured one there is mk depth to be exploited

15:33

hm. again in english?

15:33

bb valuation is at 225 satoshi

15:34

price is 188

15:34

ah. good point.

15:34

http://atc.blockr.io

15:34

lookin here

15:34

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a420193.pdf%20re:%20composite%20materials%20in%20aircraft%20incidents%20involving%20fire

15:35

oops: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a420193.pdf re: composite materials in aircraft incidents involving fire

15:35

%t

15:35

[X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 189 24h-Vol: 348k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198

15:35

kakobrekla: Well next month will probably be different

15:36

bb im not implying anything but observing

15:36

apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos

15:36

Yeah, diff drop changed a lot, but... Asks are still up or consumed

15:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14887 @ 0.0007442 = 11.0789 BTC [+]

15:42

%nethash

15:42

%p

15:42

[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6941.43 GH/s

15:42

Alot of things can behave like asbestos

15:42

There's absolutely nothing special about asbestos other than the fact that some types atomize very easily

15:44

i don't get it

15:44

people that seem smart and seem to understand a lot

15:44

as soon as you enter into a professional mode with them

15:44

don't understand shit and imply meaning where there isn't any

15:44

Why is that?

15:45

if by professional you mean they understand business, that does not correlate with intelligence.

15:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.0007404 = 30.0602 BTC [-] {4}

15:51

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/498919059980042240

15:51

http://t.co/zXCkNrMiFV

15:54

There we go...

~ 20 minutes ~

16:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00073936 = 8.8354 BTC [-]

16:15

mike_c: language

16:15

not enough data to judge anything

16:16

i have enough for my satisfication. there are lots of smart people that don't know (or care to know) anything about conducting business.

16:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 55 @ 0.02523161 = 1.3877 BTC [-]

16:17

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 65 @ 0.01505999 = 0.9789 BTC [+] {2}

16:17

this would include most engineers actually

16:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0109591 = 1.0959 BTC [+] {8}

16:19

mike_c: maybe so, and it's not the issue im referring to

16:20

switch positions/contexts and people start sucking at comms.

16:22

k, guess i'm not following then :) seems if you switch to a context they know little about they might sucking at comms.

16:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 64 @ 0.02523161 = 1.6148 BTC [-]

16:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 61 @ 0.01478954 = 0.9022 BTC [-]

16:24

some of it is attention span, lots of people seem to ask about something you answered 3 sentences previous

16:25

oh yes

16:26

even when they have the backlog in front of them, over irc.

16:26

sometimes i think I have ADHD. but compared to all these goldfish-short-term-memory people...

16:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 88 @ 0.02523161 = 2.2204 BTC [-]

16:29

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 91 @ 0.01475764 = 1.3429 BTC [-] {3}

16:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.02523161 = 1.2616 BTC [-]

16:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0147 = 0.735 BTC [-]

16:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7569 BTC [-]

16:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27034801 = 0.5407 BTC [+] {2}

16:48

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 73 @ 0.02523161 = 1.8419 BTC [-]

16:49

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.01465 = 1.0695 BTC [-]

16:56

!up shortcat

16:56

hello shortcat

16:56

shortcat

hi

16:56

shortcat

just idling

16:57

;;ticker

16:57

gribs is zombie

16:57

!up mius

17:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00074114 = 21.6413 BTC [+] {2}

17:05

;;ticker

17:06

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.01, Best ask: 575.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 575.94, 24 hour volume: 5097.20463480, 24 hour low: 574.09, 24 hour high: 590.99, 24 hour vwap: 0

17:07

!up Sebastan

17:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18513 @ 0.00074183 = 13.7335 BTC [+] {2}

17:26

!up pleego

17:26

!up yamaka

17:28

burberry bag ljtlqpnt@gmail.com 220.161.168.249Submitted on 2014/08/11 at 3:36 d.m. "Hurrah, that The Trolling Something Awful competition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. what I was exploring for, what a stuff! existing here at this website, thanks admin of this website."

17:28

what a stuff!

17:29

Nike Free Run 5 gluqnxx@gmail.com 220.161.168.249Submitted on 2014/08/11 at 3:51 d.m. "I all the time used to study article The Trolling Something Awful competition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. in news papers but now as I am a user of internet thus from now I am using net for content, thanks to web."

17:29

thanks to web!

17:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14991 @ 0.0007468 = 11.1953 BTC [+]

17:31

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01487501 = 0.7438 BTC [+]

17:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10685 @ 0.00074204 = 7.9287 BTC [-]

17:31

mod6

email treasures

17:32

yup

17:38

;;ticker

17:38

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 573.0, Best ask: 574.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 574.12, 24 hour volume: 5758.24513809, 24 hour low: 571.0, 24 hour high: 590.99, 24 hour vwap: 0

17:41

!up alex____2

17:41

!up OX3_

17:47

what a stuff

17:48

http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/optalysys-and-optical-computing

17:48

Optalysys and Optical computing | Locklin on science

17:49

http://imgur.com/AkeZEWJ

17:49

imgur: the simple image sharer

17:49

mp at the planetarium

17:49

(why? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#517931)

17:49

#bitcoin-assets log

17:51

shit nubbins`, what a stuff!

17:53

:D

17:53

i've got more of you holding babies and stuff too

17:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10115 @ 0.0007445 = 7.5306 BTC [+]

17:54

"While quantum computing appears to be turning into a multi-decade over-hyped boondoggle of a field, there is no reason why optical computers might not become important."

17:54

asciilifeform is this the equivalent of "no offense, but fuck you and that whore of your mother" ?

17:55

nothing so spicy. just the notion that analogue computing could come back (it was a gloriously interesting field back in the day, dust off some books, fun)

17:55

see 2nd link.

17:55

(example of optical 'knapsack packer', posted here some time ago)

17:55

seems like...

17:55

they're selling it.

17:56

you're just a massive underdog rooter is the thing

17:56

(or at least pretending to sell it)

17:56

what we gonna string core again?

17:56

http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/08/11/1519201/every-day-is-goof-off-at-work-day-at-the-us-patent-and-trademark-office

17:56

Every Day Is Goof-Off-At-Work Day At the US Patent and Trademark Office - Slashdot

17:56

*

asciilifeform is selective about breed of underdog

17:56

wowwwwwww

17:56

always suspected, now i know

17:56

"Our quality standards are low," one supervisor told the investigators.

17:57

asciilifeform no argument there.

17:57

nubbins`: they're given quotas (how many patents judged / month)

17:57

nubbins` you think tsa/nsa/anya is any different ?

17:57

*

asciilifeform knows folks working there

17:58

i've seen tsa agents up-close, most of them probably did basic math in high school

17:58

balancing checkbooks and shit

17:58

there is no 'quality control' (in the usual sense) at uspto - the expectation is that 'mistakes' will be challenged in court.

17:58

EPA and IRS seem to find stuff to do

17:59

chetty yes, that's like the swat team. working for the irs is fun, you get to talk to really scared people all the time

17:59

a large badge that reads "the man" produces the same effect as a large stick, turns out

18:00

mircea_popescu: this is rather like imagining that working in a slaughterhouse is fun

18:00

it is.

18:00

"you get to cum like ten times a shift"

18:00

killing things that can't fight back - where's the fun

18:00

no 'resistance of the medium'

18:00

plenty of resistence of the medium.

18:00

this is why you can tell venison from butter.

18:01

venison - resistance. beef - ?

18:01

paper doesn't exactly fight back in the sense of hitting bad poets over the head, either.

18:01

it should, but it doesn't.

18:01

What can it do? Matrix math, basically. Obviously, even thinking about this in the most hand-wavey manner, optical computers should be good at image processing. When you break down what is involved in image processing, matrix math and Fourier transforms come to mind. We know how to do matrix math with optical computers. The limiting aspect is how many elements you can encode and modulate quickly. An optical matrix mu

18:01

ltiplication doodad will do it in time, up to the limiting size of the matrices that can be encoded in such a machine. This is huge, as most matrix multiplications are for square matrices of size N. There is all manner of work done on improving matrix multiplication and other forms of matrix math via statistical methods (subject of a coming blog post); the problem is very important, as is pretty bad on large proble

18:01

ms. People who have studied the history of computer science know how important the Fast Fourier Transform was. It reduced the 1-d Fourier transform from operations to , opening up vast new applications to signal processing techniques.

18:01

ok, i'm sold. he has a solid point there.

18:02

see TWINKLE and TWIRL

18:02

(touched in previous discussion, i think)

18:02

what sort of insane nut puts o(n^3) as AN IMAGE in the text.

18:03

mircea_popescu: not all browsers support 'mathml'

18:03

so reasonable.

18:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6764 @ 0.00074019 = 5.0066 BTC [-]

18:03

i didn't mean it negatively, i meant it admiratively.

18:04

lel

18:04

heh

18:04

lots of wikipedia math articles do that

18:04

sucks

18:11

asciilifeform here's the sound of mp actually sending the corp an email to see if they want investment or mebbe even ipo.

18:11

thought it was a bezzlecorp

18:11

one way to find out.

18:11

i.e. black hole into which investment goes, emerges as burst of gamma rays and gently used cocaine

18:12

nah, they only got 500k

18:13

ugh, i remember eigenvalues and eigenvectors

18:13

;;later tell wyrdmantis: i'm confused. Now i need to get rated in the wot but don't know how... << generally by doing business with, or perhaps more commonly working for, the people already in the wot.

18:13

The operation succeeded.

18:14

"my husband got in the wot and all i got was a lousy box of shirts in which a bunch of spiders have taken up nest"

18:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00073993 = 2.2198 BTC [-]

18:14

which reminds me, didja ship the ohio guy those posters ?

18:15

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#790614

18:15

#bitcoin-assets log

18:15

lol i c

18:16

:D

18:16

hadn't gotten that far into the log.

18:16

i think you'll like em

18:16

o hey.

18:16

you didn't put any chained tits on them or anything did you ?

18:16

nooooo, imagine moving into a rental & finding such :0

18:16

srsly.

18:17

"hello and welcome to DOOM PROPERTIES!"

18:17

i was actually printing a run of posters earlier (pix to follow) and stopped mid-poster to scribble down a couple paragraphs of ideas

18:17

it got all wrinkly on the vac table ;(

18:18

you got a vacuum table ?!

18:18

natch

18:18

not for making clamshells, more like an air hockey table in reverse

18:19

only way to print paper :D

18:19

spaking of which, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me35ez06XL1rhwvbro1_500.jpg

18:19

heh.

18:19

terrifying

18:20

http://imgur.com/0vlto4s

18:20

imgur: the simple image sharer

18:21

O speech today https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuyWIk3IIAAmZm1.png

18:22

nubbins`: wyrdmantis: generally, asking for and receiving loans is a poor way to earn trust << it's not that bad, is it ?

18:22

it's pretty bad

18:22

maybe we talk of different things. do you have the "loan me 10 bitcents for trust" things ?

18:23

chetty i dun get it ?

18:23

if i see a ratings page full of "user x repaid his loan in full", not a chance will i go out on a limb for him

18:23

from users you know or don't know ?

18:23

don't know, definitely

18:23

know, depends on context

18:24

well ok. but you know, if the loan is large enough and the people involved known enough, it's just business.

18:24

<mircea_popescu> chetty i dun get it ?// empty suit,empty chair,empty podium

18:24

oh, sure, yeah.

18:24

i don't think anyone puts much value on the ratings of users they don't know.

18:24

not anyone very sane, at any rate.

18:24

if you do that might as well read the forum straight.

18:24

chetty lol

18:26

aaaand the ltc is under one bitcent.

18:26

MORE SILVER!

18:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17521 @ 0.00074019 = 12.9689 BTC [+]

18:29

"I try to let my feelings about jed, facebook, and maybe, social entitlment get out of the way and see things with logic ripple vs Stellar or both in a basket. I tried to get some of that free STR and me not having a facebook account made that hard to impossible and kinda deactivated my unbias view of the ecosystem."

18:30

social entitlement ?

18:30

i can't imagine there ever lived a more easy to hate generation.

18:30

hmm

18:30

isn't social entitlement just a different way of saying you're cool?

18:30

it really doesn't take any effort.

18:30

i've got lots of social entitlement, i guess

18:30

nubbins` i suspect what he means is that he isn't cool, can't be bothered to even try and doesn't ~FEEL~ this shoulkd make any difference.

18:30

i occasionally kick people out of bars for fun

18:31

oh yeah, did i tell you guys we won a couple awards in the local arts rag?

18:32

no ?

18:32

any of them for lipstick peacock competition ?

18:32

close

18:32

http://imgur.com/a/zV3id

18:32

imgur: the simple image sharer

18:32

best book cover, runner-up for best place to get your album art or show posters

18:32

who got the 1st place ?

18:33

http://gigposters.com/designer/57508_Jud_Haynes.html

18:33

GigPosters.com - Jud Haynes

18:33

well-deserved

18:33

incidentally, we printed the 2nd poster in the 2nd row

18:34

the "hey rosetta" one

18:34

+/u/dogetipbot 5 doge ahahha check that out

18:34

heh

18:34

they're tipping in hairs and nail clippings by now

18:34

what's 5 doge, epsilon?

18:34

ima totally fucking do this, you know, if i'm ever in a place where hte fucking waitress is all doge-fan

18:35

ima tip her a pubic hair.

18:35

(worth >10 doge)

18:35

"gotta be what, 3 doge?"

18:35

oh, you don't trim

18:35

Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1PF2YHD.txt )

18:35

!b 5

18:35

dude my pubic hair is really gnarly.

18:35

you could prolly make baseball bats out of some of these.

18:36

ew

18:36

dem pores

18:37

some parts of my body tend to grow multiple hairs out of the same follicle

18:37

it's pretty cool

18:37

imagine if eyeballs did that.

18:38

i try not to imagine my eyeballs too much

18:38

else i start thinking about the mites i'm mashing into them whenever i rub

18:38

all good protein.

18:38

%t

18:38

[X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 191 24h-Vol: 349k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198

18:38

tongue won't reach that far up ;(

18:38

nubbins`: wow, in the coldest part of the last ice age, earth's average temperature was only 4.5C below the 20th century norm << that's such bs.

18:39

but xkcd said ;(

18:39

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-statement-declarations-irs-officials-irs-missing-emails-case/

18:39

Judicial Watch Statement on Declarations by IRS Officials in the IRS Missing Emails Case | Judicial Watch

18:39

anyway, you mash them into the eye, the lacrimal glands wash them into the nose drain, from whece they drip straight into your duodenum

18:40

ah, that explains the bad taste

18:41

chetty judge should make an order creating adverse precedent for the irs.

18:41

"any taxpayer may prevail themselves of equal standards in any proceedings in this circuit".

18:42

check it out: http://imgur.com/hpkhU63

18:42

imgur: the simple image sharer

18:42

%d

18:42

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1782214.48 in 362 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.56

18:42

detail: http://imgur.com/vnTK5jC

18:42

imgur: the simple image sharer

18:44

12x18", yellow and silver on black kraft, edition of 55

18:44

!up godovo

18:45

danke, but I've got nothing to say

18:45

!up ADutchGamer

18:45

:p

18:45

it is sort of depressing reading the log/blog and understanding how miserable you are

18:45

oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today

18:45

how does that go ?

18:46

overall, not a bad start to the week

18:46

nubbins` global warming affecting coins ?

18:46

mircea_popescu the prices are rising faster than the mean global temperature

18:46

this is easily explained through this mathematical model.

18:47

hey, that's the third line of the "what is bitcoin" posters

18:47

i treated pascale to a delightful supper of hamburger helper to celebrate

18:47

she was thrilled

18:48

lol

18:48

what in the huronic demonology is a "hamburger helper"

18:48

heh

18:48

boxed american-style goulash ;D

18:49

http://img1.targetimg1.com/wcsstore/TargetSAS//img/p/13/78/13783548.jpg

18:50

"our cheesiest flavour" ?!

18:50

inorite

18:51

in my defense i just made goulash from scratch

18:51

omfg look at that heresy! wikipedia lists sun radiative output as a causative factor in the first ice age (the one post oxigenation).

18:51

that box literally only contains a handful of macaroni and a packet of cheese-flavored powder

18:51

that's it

18:51

what sort of burgeois concilliatory anti-pseudo-scientific nonsense is this! out of wikipedia, the red flanel of the regime!

18:51

but they accept btc

18:52

no, they don't.

18:52

they accept coinbase or w/e it is

18:52

oh, lame.

18:52

that's not the same thing at fucking all

18:53

info@optalysys.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<info@optalysys.com>: host mx01.1and1.co.uk [212.227.17.191]: 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

18:53

fucking idiots these people. why even put a contact email up then.

18:54

nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ?

18:54

it's not

18:55

it doesn't even come with the meat

18:55

it's just noodles and powdered sodium benzoate

18:55

for $4

18:56

<mircea_popescu> nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ? << This is what marketing does, convincing people to save time at the store by buying the box and some meat instead off... food

18:56

on the positive side, i'm getting about one.x trilema credit orders a day by now.

18:56

almost enough to live off

18:56

in some parts of the world.

18:56

not bad

18:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00073979 = 41.4652 BTC [-] {4}

18:56

i'm down to like

18:56

*

nubbins` burns a credit to find out

18:57

96!

18:57

no way ?!

18:57

yah, i think i started with over 1k

18:57

o, ok.

18:57

so, thanks for the content, i guess

18:57

imo it's really a sort of lifetime deal, i have nfi who has the mettle to actually read 10k articles.

18:58

it's like 100+ books.

18:58

hey, we publish books ;D

18:58

hm. on second thought, i guess most people worth talking to actually read over 100 books.

18:58

i read over 100 books by probably the second grade

18:58

yeah.

18:59

im starting to grok this.

18:59

no longer a common thing, this

18:59

for instance, suppose you commute or are one of the 100mn+ people that have to keep themselves quietly occupied for 1-2 hours a day.

18:59

godovo: http://trilema.com/2009/visurat-s-a-dat-de-goala/

18:59

Visurat s-a dat de goala. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:59

well, 1 bitcent on trilema is way better value than 10 bux on amzon

18:59

oh, that's another thing i noticed about yoorup

18:59

people read books on the fuckin metro

18:59

nubbins` yup, whole trainloads.

19:00

it's all phones here

19:00

people "checking" their facebook

19:00

Heh mircea_popescu you have a fan...

19:00

mircea_popescu- (~duwnz@cpe-72-191-13-154.satx.res.rr.com) squatting

19:00

i knew this chick, her thing was, she'd go through the trains at the end collect discarded books

19:00

put them on sale for ~1 pound each

19:00

BigBitz lol thanks god for ident.

19:01

:)

19:01

not a bad way to make money

19:01

where is this anyway ?

19:02

not in a chan afaics

19:02

nubbins` her bf had a sort of antique store/fleamarket smorgasbord

19:02

BigBitz where is this anyway ?

19:02

mircea_popescu Freenode, of course.

19:02

message him :)

19:02

i thought some chan

19:02

He'll say either "dumb fuck" or "fucking faggot" or something as witty.

19:02

He's not in any chan. He's squatting you and trying to scam OTC folks.

19:03

o pm thing ?

19:03

Yup...

19:03

;;google robin williams death

19:03

Robin Williams dead 2014 : Actor killed by celebrity death hoax ...: <http://en.mediamass.net/people/robin-williams/deathhoax.html>; Robin Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Williams>; Robin Williams - Actor,Comedian - Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life ...: <http://www.biography.com/people/robin-williams-9532797>

19:04

BigBitz tell him to start a blog. then link him to https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3

19:04

Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3

19:04

then do ;;calc 235.16906445 * mtgoxlast

19:04

Please don't tell me these are crazy people who pay to read your blog, mircea_popescu? :)

19:05

BigBitz, it was like a dollar!

19:05

no, the crazies dun wanna pay.

19:05

damn crazies.

19:05

they figure they got enough crazy on their own, don't need trilema.

19:05

Who owns that address?

19:05

BigBitz, mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1VKSYD5

19:05

dpaste: 1VKSYD5

19:05

it's the trilema credits address.

19:05

heh

19:06

nubbins` that's bizarre, why'd he refuse.

19:06

LOL

19:07

i know, right?

19:07

i was ready to send

19:07

noobs today. can't even scam.

19:08

mircea_popescu - I dug up that clearsign bot module in pyth here http://pastebin.com/5zKpYbdk

19:08

[Python] cex-bot clearsign - Pastebin.com

19:08

o hey, danke.

19:08

mhmm

19:08

!up kdomanski

19:08

see? i'm un-impostorable

19:09

yeah, you are.

19:09

who in the fuck is gonna trade with someone who has a ` and a -

19:09

Mr8====D ?

19:09

heh

19:09

* Mr8====D :Erroneous Nickname

19:09

bs.

19:10

Mr8-----D

dicknode only allows slimc0x

19:10

Mr8-----D

;;ident

19:10

CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Mr8-----D', with hostmask 'Mr8-----D!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None

19:10

Mr8-----D

mmkay.

19:12

gtk

19:12

mircea_popescu: y u allow people using tor reading your stuff for free?

19:12

godovo it only works until they run out of credits on the exit nodes.

19:12

who needs tor? use anonymouse

19:13

hmm, i have like a hundred shirts to print today and it's quarter to nine

19:13

mircea_popescu: there are plenty of nodes

19:13

this sounds like a job for...

19:13

;;google lagwagon mr coffee

19:13

LAGWAGON - Mr. Coffee - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiH_zqI9cX0>; Mr. Coffee by Lagwagon on Spotify: <http://open.spotify.com/track/1f2YbWb6yvRemratzSFQGm>; Lagwagon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagwagon>

19:13

mircea_popescu: why not blacklist them all?

19:14

godovo define plenty ?

19:14

why would i blacklist them ? let people have fun.

19:14

>1k?

19:14

lol so what's > 1k.

19:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23018 @ 0.00073925 = 17.0161 BTC [-]

19:15

godovo http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %.

19:15

Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:15

!up godovo

19:16

moreover, the idea isn't to make it impossible for people to read for free. the idea is to make it not cost effective.

19:17

it takes me several credits worth of time to load trilema through anonymouse

19:17

that way, the people whoi can afford to pay, and the people who can't aren't hussled. best of both worlds.

19:18

oh dammit i forgot about the bread

19:18

that moment when you realise it cost you more of your time to find proxies to read trilema.com than 0.01

19:18

it rose and fell :(

19:18

cazalla: 0.01 is a lot

19:18

no it's not

19:18

that's a pint of ben & jerry's

19:19

not when you're buying coin with all the cash you have

19:19

who in the fuck would buy coins

19:19

godovo: 0.1 is like over 9000 credits, lasts me a few months

19:19

bubbins`> oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today <<

19:20

:D

19:20

selling is the new buying

19:20

what, nobody bought, you just sold ? what are you, the us fed ?

19:20

i'd rather suck dicks than sell tbh

19:20

i'd rather sell people dicks to suck.

19:20

^

19:21

mircea_popescu: i still don't know who in the fuck would buy them ;D

19:21

i'm surprised every time

19:21

here's a newsflash : YOU BOUGHT THEM

19:22

tbf i phrased improperly earlier, i meant who in the fuck would buy btc

19:22

with "in this day and age!" implied

19:22

*

asciilifeform gets this; can't bring himself to actually -spend- btc on anything.

19:22

who in the fuck would buy actual clinky coins? collectors

19:22

nubbins` everyone who wants to remain relevant going forward.

19:23

all those people should already have btc ;(

19:23

orly.

19:23

mircea_popescu: 'being relevant going forward' needs metal coins ?

19:23

it's 2014!

19:23

because nobody was too fucking smart to ditch something awful and suck our cock instead. like, ever.

19:23

!up mjr_

19:23

like, when sec got told what to do, it just... did it, none of that "we're too good to do what our betters tell us to do"

19:23

asciilifeform i think this is one of those parallel discussions

19:23

!up LitecoinSchadenf

19:24

asciilifeform he clarified he meant btc

19:24

hi all

19:24

aha

19:24

hey mjr_

19:24

whats new?

19:24

LTC/Doge in the tank - so happy

19:24

was having trouble getting to mpex.co

19:24

under a bitcent huh.

19:24

mjr_ mpex.ws

19:24

mjr_ when did you last try ?

19:24

i'm out of the loop as usual, so figured i would check here

19:24

;;isdown mpex.co

19:24

Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.

19:24

mpex.co hasn't worked for me in ages

19:24

;;isitdown mpex.co

19:24

mpex.co is down

19:24

o no fucking way

19:24

You don't have permission to access / on this server.

19:24

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

19:24

at least a few days

19:24

LitecoinSchadenf, it's just the start too :P

19:25

yup! :)

19:25

ah ok, thanks guys

19:25

maybe that's why it couldn't find my public key ;D

19:25

will be interesting to see a cryptocoin stop having any value

19:25

well it was working for a while, actually.

19:25

but seems some proxies died a thousand deaths.

19:25

ooh, i seem to have missed a lot

19:25

http://themisescircle.org/blog/2014/03/14/the-coming-demise-of-the-altcoins/

19:25

The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It)

19:26

take mises with a large tablespoon of salt please

19:26

!up The20YearIRCloud

19:26

LitecoinSchadenf: I can only hope...

19:26

so after ~40 hours the cop guard outside next door moved along

19:26

i LOL'd so hard at Stellar...

19:26

guess that means the death wasn't a homicide

19:26

When I grow up ill vnc to my office and up myself

19:27

not because it is obviously a scam, but because they didn't even try to disguise it

19:27

the altcoin market is very much like the tech bubble in the 90's...

19:27

almost impossible to short, because stocks are hard to find

19:28

asciilifeform: I believe The20YearIRCloud called you old

19:28

what's your issue with the MIses Circle/Nakamoto Institute?

19:28

I did?

19:28

%t

19:28

[X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 191 24h-Vol: 342k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198

19:28

%d

19:28

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1783050.20 in 336 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.74

19:28

ok, i reread the FAQ, where are DERPS explained (i get it obviously, its stupid businesses, hence the name DERP)

19:28

*

asciilifeform still waiting for an alt that isn't an obvious premine scam

19:28

;;nethash

19:28

177066673.252

19:29

asciilifeform: you will be waiting quite a while...

19:29

BingoBoingo: vnc << lol

19:29

asciilifeform: there was that one that tested out how btc would behave when all new coins were mined.

19:29

can't remember the name now

19:29

;;google derps site:Trilema.com

19:29

Introducing F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-fderp/>; Further derps - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/further-derps-dbstp-dcbse-dcifi-dokco-dxapo/>; F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/fderp/>

19:29

personally, i think that if it were about "your idea" and "your idea" had value, it would be incorporated into bitcoin...

19:29

mjr_ nah that's not it at all. it's much more like the online scam "industry", ie, 90% of volume is self-trading.

19:29

pete_dushenski: how did it end?

19:29

asciilifeform: What about Altcoin?

19:29

point in case, the eth launch

19:30

*

asciilifeform loves the presumed-winblows that always pops up in random n0obs' comments

19:30

BingoBoingo: there's a point

19:30

mircea_popescu: but you can short some of those...nowadays it is a lot easier to short, and easy to borrow stock in order to do so

19:30

no you can't. im talking of the hyip crap. where do you think all these forum-ceos are coming from ?

19:30

godovo: afaik it was useful, if not profitable, the former quality being a first in the history of altcoins

19:31

mircea_popescu: I meant you can short almost all stocks today, you couldn't in the 90's tech bubble.

19:31

You can't short the alts, because there is no trustworthy lender, because they are all scams...

19:31

Just about

19:31

if you care about your idea, and your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin

19:31

mjr_, try using bitbet :D

19:31

you can' tshort them because there is nobody buying them lol/

19:32

ah, P.T. Barnum said that a sucker is born every minute

19:32

otherwise one could short them either as futures (like i am trying to shoirt eth/doge)

19:32

nubbins`: thanks for the tip

19:32

or yeah, on bitbet.

19:32

that is what i meant

19:32

mircea_popescu: btw, any takers on the eth "deal"?

19:32

but inasmuch as the market for them is exactly 0... there's no way to short. nor do they have any \value

19:32

mjr_: '... your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin' << there is a set of ideas that are only 'good', from the point of view of their proponents, if other people are (made to) use them.

19:32

i want to either get puts, sell futures, or borrow and sell

19:32

godovo buncha people want to talk about it.

19:32

too bad bitcoin-derivates don't do naked shorts.

19:32

see 'demurrage' and the like

19:32

that is not a good idea

19:32

but i get your point

19:33

good for the scammer.

19:33

mircea_popescu: I bet they want "guarantees" or escrow

19:33

asciilifeform yeah well that's not really what a good idea is now is it.

19:33

godovo nope.

19:33

what i meant is that IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea

19:33

it would make it into bitcoin

19:33

mircea_popescu: what's there to talk about then?

19:33

but you wouldn't be able to boost your ego, or scam people into paying you

19:33

godovo beats me. look through the logs, it's all there.

19:33

LitecoinSchadenf: you know what i really find funny about Misesians?

19:33

LitecoinSchadenf: they'll predictably bash ANY non-gold{,silver} currency.

19:33

mjr_ there's very little ideas to be had and very many people who like to tell themselves htey have ideas.

19:34

so the only rationale is that "the idea isn't good", or "i don't want to give away the idea without scamming people for money and boosting my ego"

19:34

LitecoinSchadenf: I've seen it Time and Time again.

19:34

that is my point mircea_popescu

19:34

Misesians don't understand Human Action

19:34

will do

19:34

*

xmj chuckles

19:34

IF the idea was good, you wouldn't need to launch an alt

19:34

if your motives were pure, you wouldn't need to launch an alt

19:34

somehow ever since good old productive labour became something for niggers and mexicans, the ontological hope of all usians is inextricably tied to "ideas" and "Creativity" and "being famous" etc.

19:34

mjr_: that assumes things get into Bitcoin on a Meritocratic base.

19:35

hmmm, if all miners want it, it happens

19:35

welcome to #reality, this is not how committees work.

19:35

there are more than 1 implementation

19:35

now xapo is sending out spam. lol.

19:35

if bitcoinj btcd etc decide to do it

19:35

bitcoind has to follow

19:35

mircea_popescu: "good old productive labor" do you mean dirty menial work?

19:36

so, the heteroculture of bitcoin can act as a deterrent to any one group being able to dictate

19:36

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/15479/jerry-bear-using-bitcoin-help-children-type-1-diabetes/

19:36

Jerry the Bear Using Bitcoin to Help Children With Type 1 Diabetes Bitcoin Magazine

19:36

mjr_: not really

19:36

demons isn't where it's at; mining pools.

19:37

demons?

19:37

using bitcoin to help children with type 1 diabetes

19:37

don't want to get into religion

19:37

;)

19:38

nubbins`: isn't it all for the children?

19:38

IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea it would make it into bitcoin << increasingly less likely with every idiot-alt.

19:38

it's all for the prescient

19:38

paging herr naggum!

19:39

'...people who hate parts of the language, some of the people who created it, or some of the process that created it, who hold personal grudges they cannot let go of, or who think the best way to "improve" the language is to stay in the community and spread negativity and tear down everybody else's enthusiasm, do just that. No improvement at all will take place when such negativity rules because everybody is af

19:39

raid that if they open up for any change at all, the destructive forces will win and the language they love will be destroyed by the hatemongers and destroyers who seek only their own personal revenge over feature wars lost. And that is precisely the case with Common Lisp. Strong negative forces want to reverse several decisions and threaten to destabilize the language, so in order to maintain the necessary pe

19:39

ace that will allow developers to use this language at all, _nothing_ happens. By mounting a constant attack on the standards process, the nutcases who are never going to be happy with the language, anyway, ensure that their negative attitude keeps everyone else from being happy and becoming happier, too.'

19:39

(http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3208226254834485@naggum.net.html)

19:39

we're re-living history, in a way. the sane folks are ever less likely to 'reopen the btcd standard' with every passing day of derp.

19:39

mjr_: yes, well, what do you think the 'd' in btcd and bitcoind stands for?

19:39

hint: it's not Depressed.

19:40

o i got this one, its 'doom'

19:41

no no, that's altcoind

19:41

daemon?

19:41

as in a background process?

19:41

not demon, as in a malevolent spiritual entity?

19:42

kakobrekla: no more 10k btc ipos, no more 20% increases . o wait << such gold

19:42

either way, people vote with their mining power

19:42

*shrug* yes

19:42

ok...

19:42

hence 'mining pools' over 'daemons'

19:42

so when that pool got over 51%

19:42

bitcoin failed right?

19:42

I want to IPO

19:42

oh...the market responded and they capped themselves at 40

19:42

so, if things need to change, they change

19:43

this is not academic, like python 3 vs python 2

19:43

this is money

19:43

and once people start hurting in the wallet, they move quick

19:43

considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months

19:43

i don't think we have this calcification that you point to

19:43

the only question is WHICH changes

19:44

py3 vs py2 is not academic either

19:44

and that right now is based on who makes the most convincing argument

19:44

that is 100% academic

19:44

most use python 2

19:44

god no

19:44

the creator wants them to use python 3

19:44

they don't

19:44

most companies use py2 because it a) works and b) you can hire developers fluent in py2 easily.

19:44

and won't

19:44

yes exactly

19:44

economics.

19:44

even though the creator has stated he wants people to move to 3

19:44

so...

19:44

bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << what are the miners running?

19:44

that'd be the standard

19:44

he can want that all day long :)

19:44

he can't change things by fiat, the market rules what he does

19:45

not the phoundation turd

19:45

asciilifeform: Thank you for reiterating my point.

19:45

that is exactly my point

19:45

asciilifeform> paging herr naggum! << change is not generally a good idea.

19:45

the market decides how and when and in what ways bitcoin changes

19:45

not some guy at a foundation

19:45

which is why, IF it needs to change, it will change

19:46

what are the miners running?

19:46

enter about 50 years of sterile "social studies" on the topic of how a bureaucracy is much better.

19:46

lol

19:46

markets are the most efficient way to get to optimum

19:46

and they have a way of cutting through bullshit, and that was my only point

19:47

if the idea behind an alt was so good, the market would have selected it to be included in bitcoin already

19:47

punkman: "This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards" << a shining beacon of derpitude

19:47

there is no need to launch an alt

19:47

!up godovo lulz mine

19:47

<mjr_> considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << i have nfi what you're on about, it's noit changed since 2011.

19:47

perhaps that point was missed...but basically alts are pointless, because bitcoin can adopt anything they can invent IF it is useful enough to be adopted

19:48

ok...

19:48

so bitcoin addresses

19:48

instead of ip addresses

19:48

messaging fields

19:48

i can refer you to the latest release notes if you like

19:48

and you can runn a diff on the code if you want

19:48

i can refer you to some random bathroom stall ? what of it ?

19:48

ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right this moment why the request timed out. <<bring on the muffins!

19:48

btc is probably, for better or worse, frozen solid.

19:49

i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011

19:49

because the burden of proof on anybody pushing a 'pheature' to demonstrate that he isn't slipping in a semantic - or syntactic - pwnh0le - is just about impossible to meet.

19:49

asciilifeform: and more so with every passing petahash

19:49

asciilifeform the english language'd have benefited immensely had it been frozen solid when handed off to the nutty colonists cca 1700.

19:50

mjr_ it's not meaningfully different or else it wouldn't be able to run.

19:50

you can translte the miner';s desire to "runn different code" in the flurry of idiotic "revolutionary" nonsense imbeciles like molecular are pushing on the forum.

19:50

there's an entire class of them, occasionally i bitchslap them into the abyss, but whatever.

19:50

...bitcoin addresses are actually meaningfully different from IP addresses

19:50

an improvement, even if genuine, will be condemned to grind out a meagre existence as an altchain.

19:50

and there are certain things you CANNOT do anymore which you COULD before

19:50

<mjr_> i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011 <<< this.

19:51

so to say that it hasn't changed is flat out wrong

19:51

that's fine. narrowing is always fine.

19:51

you can say that the core features that you find useful have not changed

19:51

and perhaps they never will

19:51

asciilifeform sounds perfect, really.

19:51

!up Jezzz Good Boy!

19:51

but that isn't to say that extraneous features aren't removed, or stupid ones added

19:51

mjr_ yes, it is to say exactly that.

19:52

you agree that it narrowed, that some features were removed

19:52

but you also say that no, no features are removed?

19:52

understand, if some kid somehwere adds a condom to his parent's the tv set, this is exactly meaningless to television.

19:52

ok, and yet i don't like condoms on my tv sets

19:52

so I notice a difference

19:52

narrowing fundamentally means those features never actually existed.

19:52

no, they did

19:52

that is like saying bankrupt companies never existed

19:52

they clearly did

19:53

and then they didn't

19:53

if i let you live in my garage because i'm too lazy to kick you out today, that doesn't mean the garage is your home.

19:53

does it have all the elements that i would look for in a home?

19:53

you may understandably wish to misrepresent it as such. nevertheless... it is not.

19:53

pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes Login seems borked.

19:53

i say if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its a duck

19:53

same thing with bs "features" that meanwhile got thrown out, same thing with bs features the spyteam has been trying to insert.

19:53

i agree

19:53

not useful

19:53

BUT still available to be used

19:53

for example

19:54

have you heard of multisig? it was not enabled, now it is

19:54

a gun is available to be used somewhere. it may even be used by mike hearn.

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that is a difference

19:54

that won't make the gun aprt of bitcoin.

19:54

ok, fair enough

19:54

tell me multisig is not a thing, and i concede

19:54

multisig is not a thing.

19:54

tell me i can't craft a multisig transaction right now

19:54

that will be accepted by the network

19:54

valid per bitcoin rules

19:54

luke is trying to pretend like it is. that matters in the sense luke trying to pretend obama is jesus matters.

19:54

ok, let me try broadcasting one

19:54

you can't craft a multisig transaction right now that will be accepted by the network valid per bitcoin rules

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and when it is rejected you are right

19:55

gnihihi

19:55

you can

19:55

it is done NOW

19:55

mjr_: you wanted someone to tell you that

19:55

i'm saying that you can bury your head in the sand, it doesn't mean that reality ceases to exist

19:55

...

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mjr_ pix or it dint happen

19:55

there was a point where you could not do a multisig

19:55

now you can

19:55

that is a difference

19:55

i don't give a shit how you try to spin that

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mjr_ the day you can withdraw mpex funds to a multisig address i might care.

19:56

it is an obvious difference

19:56

that day isn't here yet.

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ok, that is your personal choice

19:56

eheheh

19:56

and your personal choice is not the bitcoin network rules

19:56

the fact you can make proper payments out of your braindamaged 3whatever also doesnt matter

19:56

the rules changed

19:56

i don't care...yuo said the protocol hadn't changed

19:56

your "multisig" thing is only relevant inasmuch you can actually pay out of it.

19:56

which you can do

19:56

it hasn't dood.

19:56

using the blockchain

19:56

i really don't see how you can say that

19:56

suppose some kids decide they will have a cocksucking mining contest.

19:56

bats_cd03: oops: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a420193.pdf re: composite materials in aircraft incidents involving fire << nice find!

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unless you mean something different

19:57

has mining now changed ?

19:57

because some kids somewhere are blowing each other on the machines ?

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yes

19:57

it has

19:57

eh get out.

19:57

because before

19:57

miners would reject that

19:57

now they accept that

19:57

that would be the textbook definition of a change

19:57

how about a simpler one

19:57

no.

19:57

you couldn't do tx of a certain size before

19:57

mircea_popescu did http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/17577cd6133ae129f98be3aefd072d3c0d59d84fe32de02cab9746b970dd8b49 on this game https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/22/activity/ win the double your wager prize?

19:57

War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!

19:57

now you can

19:57

the day I AM FORCED TO ACCEPT IT something changed.

19:57

until that day. have fun and i don't care.

19:57

i never said you had to care

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or even notice

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so it never changed.

19:58

i said that you can use the subset of features

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and ignore the rest

19:58

if math changes and 2 + 3 = 6 instead, then that's a change.

19:58

that doesn't mean it hasn't changed, you conflate backwards compatible with identical

19:58

if people decide to write 2+3 as 3+2 from now on, that's just a fashion

19:58

nah

19:58

backwards compatible is identical.

19:58

i can run 32 bit programs on my 64 bit machine

19:58

not identical

19:58

bullshit

19:58

or are we arguing the defintion of identical

19:58

well, too bad mircea_popescu is ignoring me

19:58

apparently.

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identical means there is no difference

19:59

A works on B doesn't imply B works on A

19:59

so what if i hexedit the gui and make it pink

19:59

i can run diff on the code and it comes out "no changes"

19:59

has bitcoin protcol now changed because pink gui ?

19:59

necessary and sufficient conditions, all over

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yes

19:59

that is a change

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100% certainly

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yeah well that's nutty.

19:59

may be, but it is a change

19:59

to say that the color...changed, but there was no change

19:59

aite, go ahead an' change the world.

19:59

is logically impossible

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so, we can agree, you don't care about the changes, they don't affect you, they are irrelevant

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they may cease to exist

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what's logically impossible is to imagine the bitcoin protocol is something that extends all the way to your soup.

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they may be misguided or stupid

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but they are changes

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huh?

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i didn't bring up soup

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i am talking about running diff on code

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easy way to see if things have changed

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protocol is not code.

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ok...and if i add acceptable messages to a protocol

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that protocol changed

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for example, you added commands to mpex

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that changed the protocol of what messages were acceptable to mpex

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this is simple

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and i can do it all day

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notrly. it only changed it when old ones stopped working.

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ok

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so you only changed it

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the protocol

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for a good reason

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you changed it

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well sure. it's mine to change.

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yes

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and bitcoin is the miners to change

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not so fast there :)

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and they have

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many times

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notrly.

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for fucks sake, there was a fork in the fucking blockchain because people didn't agree on which version to use

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and the new version died.

20:02

how could you have a clearer example of the protocol changing

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ok...

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but it did change

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and there was a conflict

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mno. change died.

20:03

what died

20:03

the change that happened?

20:03

how can something thta doesn't exist die

20:03

anyway, here's the story : i hire you to lay bricks for me. that's your job.

20:03

one day you come with a hat

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the next day without

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the third wioth a hangover

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thats a change

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each day

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you figure your job has changed each day ?

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lol

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no, my ability to do my job

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one day job was "lay bricks with hat", the next" lay bricks without hat" ?

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how you would describe me to someone who you wanted to find me

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yes

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find my employee, he is the guy laying bricks wearing a hat

20:04

well so there you go. you wish o matter personally, but i don't give a shit. im your employer not your lover.

20:04

that description is no longer valid on a different day

20:04

all i see is the bricks laid.

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BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: thx guys something went south during server swtich

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no...

20:04

i am saying that right now, i can use multisig

20:04

ben_vulpes: You're welcom

20:04

the job that is done has new possibilties

20:04

i can lay bricks or i can lay cinder blocks

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but you think i can only lay bricks

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and you only want bricks

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thats good for you

20:05

mjr_ you could multisig before you.

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wow

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i'm not saying that you have to change, i am saying that new features are added

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that is a fact

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you don't have to use them

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you don't have to notice or care

20:05

that doesn't change reality

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ben_vulpes: it's was all BingoBoingo :)

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there are new features that the bitcoin protocol allows

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reality is not what some derps somewhere feel is the case.

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no

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it*

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reality is the state of the world

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the state of the network

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i don't give a shit about a derp saying anything

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cool. so then there we go.

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i give a shit about a transaction crafted a certain way included in ablock

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and those transactions, that you say don't exist

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are in blocks

20:06

you can put any random data in blocks.

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so either, things that are recorded in a block don't matter

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including pictures of twelve year olds taking horse cock.

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you could call all of the data random

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this was done already.

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not all of it, no.

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i could view all of the blockchain as random

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yes i could

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it is statistically possible to get that arrangement of bits by chance

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we choose to ascribe meaning to this configuration

20:07

from this meaning, we can maintain records

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ben_vulpes: Fix so I can do "Robin Williams DIY Project" ad buy

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and new records are allowed in, and are accepted as being records

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if that is not the case, then none of bitcoin protocol matters, because it is subjective

20:08

i don't think your tx is anything other than random data

20:08

that'd be where you're wrong.

20:08

it matters precisely because it is subjective, and accepted.

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yes

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.01236309 = 1.2363 BTC [+] {4}

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and those features you don't like are accepted and valid

20:08

this is what renders the subjective but unaccepted parts irrelevant.

20:08

not by me.

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and until the day they're accepted by me, they don't exist.

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this is how this works.

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i, perhaps the only one, do not judge bitcoins protocol by what you find valid

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i judge it based on what i need, and what i can do

20:09

well apparently you judge it by what you find valid.

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ok...

20:09

lets say

20:09

right. good for you.

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 207 @ 0.01239 = 2.5647 BTC [+]

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so your bitcoin has changed, mine hasn't, there we go.

20:09

that if i send a multisig tx to someone, they will in return send me 1,000,000 bitcoin

20:10

i do it, i get the money

20:10

that someone won;'t be me.

20:10

nope, it won't

20:10

so go talk to them :)

20:10

do i care? not at all

20:10

the market decides what features are in bitcoin

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same as it always has

20:10

again ?

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and if i need to do business with you

20:10

i can work with the limited subset of the protocol you find valid

20:11

there is no reason why people can't send floppy disks to people who have the right converters

20:11

"the market" doesn't decide jack shit. if "the market" decides things, we might as well make coinbase the new fed and welcome wall street on their own terms.

20:11

it is still a valid form of recording data

20:11

if the market thinks that is a good idea :)

20:11

i don't have to though

20:11

fuck it sideways and good riddance.

20:11

i agree

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again

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i believe you conflate backwards compatible, or option with identical

20:11

so, yeah. the market may decide anything it wants for just as long as it stays strictly within what i find paltable. that';s how this thing works.

20:11

i have an option to use multisig

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i don't have to

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yeah, you use the parts of it that you like, and don't use the parts you don't

20:12

i have an option to have a girlfriend

20:12

you have an option to do whatever the fuck it is you want to do at all junctures anyway.

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i don't have to

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- every nerd

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maybe i overly jump to your hyperbole

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why not just go ahead and say that bitpay doesn't exist?

20:12

notably, you could have used multisig at any point starting in 2009, and plenty of people did.

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or altcoins

20:12

yeah, you could have

20:12

you can share keys and whatnot with or without bitcoin.

20:12

you also could have sent coins to an ip address

20:13

remember that?

20:13

i cannot now send coins to an ip address

20:13

and if one day they include a weather service in some client, that'll be about as much change.

20:13

i agree

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in other words, a change

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which was my point

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but if i only wanted to be able to send to ip addresses

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if that was my core feature set

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i'd be an idiot

20:13

that was an actual fork.

20:13

when will bitcoind be able to read/send email?

20:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 68 @ 0.02523161 = 1.7157 BTC [-]

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but also, someone who can't actually use the network for what i want

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how can you fork without changing?

20:14

and a welcome one at that. fucking ip addresses nuttery.

20:14

i agree

20:14

so get rid of a stupid features

20:14

sounds like a good CHANGE

20:14

satoshi did that you know.

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i know

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i don't suck his dick

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well it makes a difference.

20:14

he made tons of mistakes

20:14

and lots of good stuff

20:14

yeah, but he was also the only one with the authority to make changes.

20:14

overall, way more good

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WAS

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and gave that up

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exaclty.

20:14

again i want to mention the NSA => satoshi article

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in fact

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no further satoshi, no further changes.

20:15

passed that down to gavin

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end of story.

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and i'm perfectly too lazy to copypaste it.

20:15

nope.

20:15

well...apparently the legions of the faithful didn't know that

20:15

tough for them.

20:15

because they have been letting gavin make tons of changes

20:15

which the miners faithfully run

20:15

and derps use

20:15

doesn't mean you have to

20:15

is deepbit still on 0.3.x ?

20:15

doesn't affect you

20:15

no clue

20:16

i agree with you

20:16

that they can add what ever fuckery they want

20:16

as long as they don't affect the things i use

20:16

i could care less

20:16

start greenaddresses or purpleaddresses

20:16

i don't care, as long as i can generate my own address whenever i want

20:16

and do business with who i want

20:16

but...

20:16

!up godovo

20:16

i won't say that things i see don't exiest

20:17

i will say they are stupid

20:17

and there is a better way

20:17

but you can't call something stupid if it doesn't exist...

20:17

and i know how you love to call things stupid...

20:17

what are you talking about ? abstractions don't exist they get called stupid all the time

20:17

its a stupid idea

20:17

the idea exists

20:18

in fact, physically

20:18

eh get out.

20:18

there is an arragement of neurons in a certain configuration in some physical space

20:18

gavin http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/05/the-idiocrats/

20:18

The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog

20:18

so...ideas are not magic

20:18

any more than thoughts

20:18

they exist

20:18

godovo: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-suspected-be-nsa-cia-project-1460439

20:18

Bitcoin 'Conspiracy Theory' Alleges Virtual Currency is NSA or CIA Project

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like anything else that can be interacted with

20:18

lol

20:18

godovo: take it with a tablespoon of salt.

20:18

https://twitter.com/ThatEricAlper/status/498973900102197248/photo/1 << robin williams on canada

20:18

Robin Williams on Canada. http://t.co/3DZPIudUIT

20:18

[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 60 @ 0.022 = 1.32 BTC

20:19

anyway, i really don't understand your point

20:19

and i feel like i have belabored mine

20:19

mjr_: this much, we know

20:19

pete_dushenski: Canada http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Gale_Boetticher

20:19

Gale Boetticher - Breaking Bad Wiki

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and i didn't want to talk about this anyway

20:19

i really just wanted to look at options prices to figure out if i could arb something

20:19

and mpex.co doesn't work for me now, so i found the other site

20:20

but i still want to know what derps are

20:20

also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore

20:20

besides mircea_popescu and kakobrekla

20:20

mjr_ btw mpex.co is back too

20:20

BingoBoingo: heh i recognize him as the cuckold husband from flight of the conchords

20:20

cool

20:20

pete_dushenski: World's nicest meth cook

20:21

btw, you heard about my new job?

20:21

i expected to be made fun of a bit more

20:21

nope ?

20:21

work at bitfinex

20:21

were you working for bitpay or ?

20:21

ahahah

20:21

lol

20:21

what do you do there ?

20:21

vp of biz dev (don't laugh)

20:21

i get to do what i want

20:21

how much do you get paid ?

20:21

program, try new things

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enough

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bleh

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as long as i get to do what i want

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i don't care

20:22

i c.

20:22

i wanna tell you about my other project though

20:22

mjr_: xmj.me

20:22

go read

20:22

not btc related lol

20:22

mjr_: does "biz dev" entail trading into your own orders?

20:22

hahaha

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nope

20:22

bummer

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so how are the numbers, still 25% default rates etc ?

20:23

defaults?

20:23

no one defaults

20:23

at least if you mean on the lending market

20:23

o nm, i had it conflated with btcjam

20:23

yeah

20:23

lol

20:23

i wouldn't put my money there

20:23

bitfinex still exists ?!

20:23

wow.

20:23

hahaha

20:23

thanks

20:24

always great to come back home to bitcoin-assets

20:24

how'd it go in romania? i was pissed i couldn't make it

20:24

last i recall it was https://bitcointa.lk/threads/scam-tag-request-user-unclescrooge-founder-and-operator-of-bitfinex-com.133691/

20:24

[scam tag request] user unclescrooge founder and operator of bitfinex.com | Bitcointa.lk

20:24

"Dry excavation work in the new Suez Canal commenced on Sunday as three thousand trucks and loaders in addition to 7,500 workers began work on site," << suez canal 2.0 !

20:25

don't know about that

20:25

pete_dushenski omfg you gave me a moment of pause cause i thought your line's assbot's

20:25

no lender has lost money, we have never been hacked

20:25

we put up orders

20:25

people trade on them

20:25

mircea_popescu: lel

20:25

as far as exchanges go, i think we are pretty good

20:25

don't know of many other exchanges i like better, its why i went to work for them

20:26

bitstamp?

20:26

no thanks

20:26

can't give back an order id on a trade

20:26

but i guess i am "advanced" in that respect

20:26

mircea_popescu: i'd love to read the canaltalkforums where all the "business ceos" go to ipo for their new dig projects and special usg contracts

20:26

one of the US exchanges? with a proctology exam for free?

20:26

i'm in panama!

20:26

is that a thing?

20:27

mjr_ still running the bitcoinica codebase ?

20:27

nope

20:27

or finally got rid of that ?

20:27

hahaha

20:27

think that maybe the idea was similar, but don't think the execution was similar

20:27

mjr_: it is now. please to send 1 btc for private invitation to join

20:27

pm for address

20:27

i'm good

20:27

thanks though

20:27

xmj: what was that about?

20:27

your loss

20:27

i read about you

20:28

but didn't know in what context to read

20:28

cool that you do free_bsd

20:28

i like debian personally

20:28

mircea_popescu: so, how is the game going?

20:28

mjr_: you said "03:20:19 <+mjr_> also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore"

20:28

oh

20:29

yes i did say that

20:29

i mean that i miss the people i used to see

20:29

and that none of them are here anymore

20:29

note to self: mjr_ is a candidate for goldfish memory

20:29

lol

20:29

not like that

20:29

Giancarlo Devasini / J.L. van der Velde / Raphael Nicolle << which are still involved ?

20:29

mjr_: bully them into being here (or, create positive incentives)

20:29

no clue how to go about doing that

20:29

send them a mail ?

20:29

i think they may have gotten burned out

20:29

ha

20:29

don't have their addresses

20:29

facebook ?

20:30

nope

20:30

just #bitcoin-assets

20:30

so now, i think i know asciilifeform mircea_popescu kakobrekla

20:30

well, bummer.

20:30

yeah

20:30

miss those guys

20:30

i've been drinking with fluffypony does that count?

20:30

am i in the 'ingroup' now? :D

20:30

i don't know

20:30

i'm not lol

20:30

lol

20:31

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.02523161 = 1.2616 BTC [-]

20:31

;;ticker --market all

20:31

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 574.02, vol: 6015.07627334 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.406, vol: 3914.04531 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 573.3, vol: 7917.82437211 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 573.868008, vol: 7950.04520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 572.76593, vol: 0.47791402 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 577.83901, vol: 31.21382741 | Volume-weighted last average: 572.906353566

20:31

;;ident mjr_

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CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@186.188.245.195', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01340001 = 0.67 BTC [+]

20:32

yeah i idented

20:32

to get voice

20:32

another change in the protocol around here

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mjr_ http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Josh_Rossi&sign=ANY&type=SENT << the two people you know are still here.

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Rating Details for User 'Josh_Rossi'

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;;seen davidlatapie

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davidlatapie was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 2 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <davidlatapie> Hi BingoBoingo I'll probably go to bed soon

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oops

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;;seen davout

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davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <davout> i'll add a mention about assymetric crypto

20:32

;;seen ben_vulpes

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ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 28 minutes and 17 seconds ago: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: thx guys something went south during server swtich

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yeah davout

20:33

true

20:33

;;seen jurov

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jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 45 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <jurov> hi all

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ah yeah, and of course jurov

20:33

ok cool

20:33

feel a little better

20:34

!up Jason

20:34

dja know how to self voice Jason ?

20:34

what do you think of this slovenia conference

20:34

gotta ask kako/jurov, i'm not from around there

20:34

i figured it wasn't the slovenia i was going to like...

20:34

yeah i know

20:34

but i was hoping they started it

20:34

but figured bitstamp started it

20:35

oh yeah

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by the way

20:35

https://twitter.com/SomeShinobi/status/497876744956043264/photo/1

20:35

Patriarchy: 1 Cultural Marxism: 0 http://t.co/Pm7mQtjVwQ

20:35

mircea_popescu: were you critical of bitlicenses?

20:35

kind of a silly question i suppose

20:36

but i just think that it is funny, i think the "bitlicense" is a penalty for people who don't use the blockchain

20:36

;;google time to make some bitlicenses of our own

20:36

Time for some Bitlicenses of our own. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/time-for-some-bitlicenses-of-our-own/>; Daisies pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/daisies/>; TBI's Daily Bit — Bitcoin at a Crossroads - Tackling the BitLicense: <http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/92143258184/bitcoin-at-a-crossroads-tackling-the- (1 more message)

20:37

also http://contravex.com/2014/08/07/this-is-the-bitcoin-empire-this-is-the-new-yasa/

20:37

This Is The Bitcoin Empire. This Is The New Yasa | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

20:38

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 29 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7317 BTC [-]

20:39

%d

20:40

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1782205.17 in 304 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.56

20:40

;;later tell nubbins` what denomination of casascius coins did you find buyers for today?

20:40

The operation succeeded.

20:43

well, all i meant was

20:43

if you use the blockchain

20:43

;;rated xmj

20:43

You rated user xmj on Tue Jun 3 08:54:01 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: meets my definition of marauding idiocy..

20:43

bitlicense doesn't apply to you

20:43

;;unrate xmj

20:43

Successfully removed your rating for xmj.

20:43

"Individuals also have the choice of taking the repayment in ether; in those cases, we will simply not send the BTC, and once all repayments have been processed we will publish all of the additional ETH that has been sold in this way (note that this is equivalent to sending individuals their BTC and letting the recipients send it right back into the exodus)."

20:43

if you try to use bitcoin to replicate the old system (hand your money over to someone and trust them)

20:43

it does

20:43

it will be interesting to see how many opt for ether instead of bitcoin

20:43

now dun be stoopid.

20:44

almost like lawsky wants to force people to use bitcoin rather than coinbase

20:44

mircea_popescu: remember what it occurred over?

20:44

vaguely.

20:44

mircea_popescu: i said that non-cashflow-positive startups use EC2.

20:44

mircea_popescu: don't negrate people for stating truth next time, please

20:44

by the way, anyone gonna tell me if i can play this game where i can buy things with bitcoin?

20:44

no dude, you got negrated for attempting a powerplay with me.

20:44

mjr_ what game is that ?

20:45

i don't remember, when you were interested in eve

20:45

or something

20:45

a game where i could put things into the world using bitcoin

20:45

there was a guild, smickles runs it now.

20:46

huh.

20:46

ah well

20:46

mjr_: find something where you can pay through Stripe.

20:46

mjr_: bam you can pay with Bitcoin.

20:49

!s "rate xjm -1"

20:49

0 results for '"rate xjm -1"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22rate+xjm+-1%22

20:50

this search!

20:50

!s mircea_popescu xmj rate

20:50

4 results for 'mircea_popescu xmj rate' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mircea_popescu+xmj+rate

20:50

xmj http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#699985 there you go.

20:50

#bitcoin-assets log

20:50

flip the m and j

20:51

mjr_ there's also https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/24/

20:51

Game 24 - Death 4701 Life 5299 Year 651 - War of Life

20:51

*shrug*

20:51

if you take that as powerplay

20:51

i have observed countless startups who do things with EC2 and S3

20:52

pete_dushenski, BingoBoingo: gpg homedir permissions. fixd.

20:52

the problem was (and am starting to suspect remains) your mistaken notion that you have a lot to give and relatively little to take.

20:52

oh jesus virtualization fights again?

20:52

ben_vulpes: Ty

20:52

not that this worlview isn't common with twentysomething impudent cocklets. but it is universally working to their detriment.

20:52

ben_vulpes hardly.

20:53

k. i'm clearly behind on my logs.

20:54

heya ben_vulpes

20:54

long time no talk, mjr_.

20:54

yeah

20:54

been a while

20:54

what've you been up to?

20:54

working, playing around on some projects

20:54

ben_vulpes he now works for... wait for it...

20:54

bitfinex.

20:54

yep

20:54

i do

20:54

i like it

20:55

only been 2 weeks, but i like the guys i work with, i have a lot of autonomy

20:55

before that i was working at coinapult, which was also fun

20:55

built locks with some cool people

20:55

not sure what you think of those, guessing not good

20:55

lol

20:55

i expect to be torn to shreds here

20:55

which is not that bad

20:55

i really have no opinions about these things

20:55

coinapult is coins via email

20:55

was

20:55

bitfinex is an exchange of sorts

20:55

still is somewhat

20:56

locks is the newest product

20:56

"locks"?

20:56

what happened at coinapult

20:56

which is basically pegging bitcoin to some asset

20:56

pahaha how on earth?!

20:56

nothing, that project was done, and i like the guys at bitfinex

20:56

still hang out with the coinapult crew

20:56

going to eriks wedding in sept

20:56

its an ewallet

20:56

so you say want to have an amount of bitcoin that reflects the gold/usd price

20:57

ben_vulpes nah, lots of history there. bitfinex was a coupla twerps that took the leaked bitcoinica codebase and started a new bitcoinica, back in 2012ish ? early 2013 ? (that code was in the wild because after the nth breach, amir taaki of bitcoin consultancy fame "open sourced" it by releasing it without rights)

20:57

nope nope nope

20:57

we hedge, and you will always get say an oz of gold worth of bitcoin

20:57

i ain't letting anyone hedge with my coins

20:57

yeah bitcoinica was a fuckup

20:57

yeah, i get you

20:57

not for everyone

20:57

then about six months or so later some people involved had a very public breakup replete with tardstalk scam tag requests, much in the manner the bitcoin magazine takeover worked

20:57

hold up, you are talking about bitcoinica?

20:57

then not a peep for about a year. so someone with some sort of competence took over. but mjr_ ain't telling who.

20:57

if i want to turn my paper dollars into paper gold, i'm just going to whelk my fiat down to Schwabe and let them do what they do

20:58

id say bitfinex chumpatron is working just fine

20:58

omg

20:58

that may have been the nicest thing i've heard mircea_popescu say

20:58

mjr_ but kakobrekla has a good q, what happened at coinapult ?

20:58

nothing

20:58

i worked on locks, since i knew a little about hedging

20:58

but i like doing more than just programming

20:58

and have a few projects

20:59

so you're still in panama. basically what, erik bought bitfinex ?

20:59

so i figured i would find something that lets me do more stuff i like, but still program

20:59

nope

20:59

he is busy working on his wedding

20:59

not sure if he could afford it...maybe

20:59

but i'm going to eriks wedding in sept

20:59

but yeah, i mean, you know me, i like to talk

20:59

and programming != talking much

21:00

so, felt a little one dimensional

21:00

well someone's behind there, the people originally involved with bitfinex ain't got the resources required.

21:00

and now i get to talk, they wanted someone to be out in public

21:00

yeah, that is the beauty of that place

21:00

mjr_ how long you been there ayway ?

21:00

is that ego doesn't get in the way

21:00

always looking to improve

21:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5046 BTC [-]

21:00

bring people who know more, fill in gaps

21:00

since the 15th of july

21:00

wait

21:01

yeah, around 3 weeks

21:01

so you've not had a check cut yet ?

21:01

i have

21:01

what, you working by the hour ?

21:01

no

21:01

i loved the way they phrased it

21:01

they said we know you have a lot of projects

21:01

we want to pay you to put us at the top of the list

21:02

and will try to help you with your other projects because we are serial entrepreneurs

21:02

so, it works well

21:02

you specifically ?! how the hell does some dude in france even know you.

21:02

davout knows me...he is in france still right?

21:02

Raphael Nicolle << this guy.

21:02

not really running it anymore, is he ?

21:03

Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "LTC <= 0.01 BTC before September 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/782/ Odds: 87(Y):13(N) by coin, 64(Y):36(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.83967592 BTC. Current weight: 4,105.

21:04

a okay, i see. so apparently a guy i actually know took over that outfit. (no, not erik)

21:04

which'd explai nwhy they've not done anything spectacularly stupid in the last while.

21:05

gonna go grab some din din. Here's some good old US propaganda for yas http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-treasury-bond-yield-hits-lowest-since-june-2013-1407501409

21:05

U.S. Treasury Bond Yield Hits Lowest Since June 2013 - WSJ

21:08

a bunch of good guys work there

21:08

http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=today&resolution=hour&pair=ltc-btc&market=btc-e

21:08

LTC/BTC - Litecoin / Bitcoin today charts from BTC-e

21:08

and i like the way they are going

21:08

anyway

21:08

anyone can fill me in on derps those links didn't work

21:08

low at 2014-08-12 00h0.0099500 BTC

21:10

http://bitbet.us/bet/997/ltc-to-drop-under-6-50-before-september/ http://bitbet.us/bet/864/ltc-to-fall-against-btc/ http://bitbet.us/bet/782/ltc/ all wrapped up

21:10

BitBet - LTC to drop under $6.50 before September :: 1.31 B (65%) on Yes, 0.71 B (35%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 43`444 (100`000 to 1)

21:10

BitBet - LTC to fall against BTC :: 9.02 B (90%) on Yes, 0.98 B (10%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 62`796 (100`000 to 1)

21:10

BitBet - LTC <= 0.01 BTC before September 1st :: 2.47 B (87%) on Yes, 0.37 B (13%) on No | closing in 4 days 22 hours | weight: 4`103 (100`000 to 1`000)

21:10

lol, i get up for a little bit, and somebody links the world-famous menstrual painter.

21:10

mjr_: weren't you at bitpay for a while?

21:11

asciilifeform: lol yw

21:11

'she's pretty high of the ground; doesn't OSHA require spotters, or a hardhat...' << from comments

21:12

wondering if that last 2btc bet on ltc is gonna squeak in (wasn't mine fwiw)

21:14

!up jdanks

21:14

i have voice! lol

21:14

i really needa figure out this whole WoT thing

21:15

I've created PGP keys for stuff before not knowing what I was doing. I love all your posts mircea. you are a good man, standing up to bad peoples and finding who's trully trustworthy (:

21:18

jdanks: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

21:18

first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

21:18

thank you!

21:21

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.27198 = 2.1758 BTC [+]

21:28

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.27183805 = 14.6793 BTC [-] {4}

21:28

ben_vulpes: nope never at bitpay

21:32

btw mjr_

21:32

$proxies

21:32

empyex

mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1722 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

21:33

ah tanks

21:33

if ever in doubt that's the path to truth

21:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00073814 = 15.2057 BTC [-]

21:34

jdanks hai there.

21:34

hallo mr. popescu keep up tha good fight :)

21:35

:)

21:35

so who're you ?

21:35

somebody gave me voice. i have no pgp keys or nothing. name is john

21:35

i'm a mechanical engineer turned internet of things engineer

21:36

cool.

21:36

you can just reg a key it's no big deal.

21:36

i have great plans to put blockchains on mesh networks. and i invest in coins i think aren't shit. i go for the long calls. yea i havent had time. i just sort of stumbled upon your kingdom the last few days

21:37

i'm sure i can figure it out but it'll be pushed aside till I have an empty weekend

21:39

he's cool - I just turned him on to trilema the other day and his head blew

21:39

jdanks plenty of upside, take your time.

21:39

*kkaa ppppbbllooooo*

21:40

!up bitcointrader_

21:40

someone should go for Individual Person Guy as a name.

21:41

!up jborkl

21:41

Thank you

21:42

yw

21:42

I am going to publish the #bitcoin-assets Bitcoin awards

21:42

I need categories and reasons

21:43

None need to be valid and must be funny in some twisted way

21:43

well biggest derpfuktard comes to mind

21:43

bitcoin's best tits ?

21:43

Hell yeah

21:43

Great suggestion

21:43

"least original name"

21:44

i'll maybe go for that award lol

21:44

"most buzzwordy meaningless pr release"

21:44

"biggest first biggest".

21:44

Very very good

21:44

The PR release will be full

21:45

"longest two weeks"

21:45

Who has Bitcoin best boobs?

21:45

You are on fire

21:46

Oh I nominate pr

21:46

jborkl either someone in here http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ or maybe one of these pixies http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/

21:46

I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:46

Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:47

Great , I can go with that.

21:47

Most meaningless PR I can throw a dart

21:48

"Worst pr move masquerading as an award", you can give that to the bitcoin foundation for the two bit idiot debacle.

21:48

Awesome on the tits story. That wins with 4 palms award

21:49

Lol, that wins for sure.

21:50

check his pictorial anthology - belongs in the smithsonian: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jpg+from%3Amircea+haslink%3Atrue

21:50

339 results for 'jpg from:mircea haslink:true' - #bitcoin-assets search

21:51

wow.

21:51

speaking of which, http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/

21:51

Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers

21:52

So that is three categories, this is going very fast

21:52

left the guy a comment to come here, not approved yet, but anyway, if he shows up someone voice him

21:55

I'm going to be in the smithsonian!!

21:55

as a what ?

21:55

!up dogeywoof

21:55

http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jpg+from%3Amircea+haslink%3Atrue

21:55

339 results for 'jpg from:mircea haslink:true' - #bitcoin-assets search

21:56

Thanks

21:56

can i have a 5 doge tip now ty.

21:56

How do I tip you

21:57

Category : worst Bitcoin idea

21:57

see kakobrekla ? THERE IS DEMAND.

21:57

:p

21:57

jborkl "most satoshi-like individual that's not acually satoshi"

21:58

http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/ Wasn't EV sued for something other than SD?

21:58

Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers

21:58

Where's kitteh?

21:58

!seen kitteh

21:58

meow

21:58

TheNewDeal guy has a tenuous grasp on facts. which, for an outsider, i guess is laudable.

21:58

Hey SuchWow

21:58

Hah anyone named satoshi is chased by English press

21:58

!up SuchWow

21:59

Well, onto real categories

21:59

Best blog I cast my WOT only vote for trilema

22:00

Best broker as coinbr

22:00

Anybody doing OTC derivatives on here? Like put options or forward contracts?

22:00

sure.

22:01

;;gettrust bitcointrader_

22:01

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bitcointrader_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=bitcointrader_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcointrader_ | Rated since: never

22:01

not you tho.

22:01

lol either give me permanent voice or stop giving me temp voice. all it does is ping me, and i don't usually have anything to say, just observing :)

22:02

also, hello

22:02

lol

22:02

lol kk.

22:02

one day i'll be more interested and educated on the topics of discussion and investments here, and when that's the case, I'll speak up for sure :)

22:02

SuchWow: so mean :f

22:03

omg absolute riduloustardedness "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."

22:03

he has a point.

22:03

dogeywoof: not being mean, it's just once you've been temp upped like dozens of times, it pings you twice in an hour, its just kinda annoying is all. Yes I should've just asked nicely for perma voice tho lol

22:04

Anyone else with WOT want to vote?

22:04

If you do , later tell me , I am going to write it in the morning.

22:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.0007372 = 33.7638 BTC [-] {2}

22:04

jborkl this suggests a ready expansion to Jason's bot. it could hold propositions for voting, like a gpg-poll thing.

22:05

Cool idea, I will start on that

22:05

like

22:05

mircea, is there an escrow service that does otc derivatives?

22:06

!reg "Who should be the derpiest" and it gives you an index, then !vote 1224543 herpy and it tallies "herpy" +1

22:06

bitcointrader_ an escrow service does any deal, what difference does it make to it.

22:07

Very good idea, and it will piss a bunch of people off

22:07

That is always good

22:07

they can take collateral from both sides to ensure no counterparty risk

22:07

Let's see coindesk plagiarize that heh

22:07

how do you plan to handle fiat collateral ?

22:08

BTC collateral

22:08

you mean to mitigate SOME cp risk

22:08

if you take btc both sides it's hardly no cp risk.

22:09

Ok make sure to vote ! +12 hours from now voting ends. WOT only 1st anal #bitcoin-assets awards

22:11

!up bitcointrader_

22:12

yout payout like a CFD. It's not fully eliminating cp risk but if you deposit 50% with escrow is covers a substantial amount. Just have an auto stop loss in place

22:12

in general, people trade otc as in, otc. major players

22:12

!up Tim___

22:12

they knoe each other, they trust each other, escrow is not the problem.

22:13

!up turbo_ac100

22:14

how are you settling your option and future contracts today?

22:14

;;later tell wyrdmantis: punkman: you mean an offline machine? << http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/

22:14

How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:14

The operation succeeded.

22:14

turbo_ac100

LTC bets http://bitbet.us/bet/864/ltc-to-fall-against-btc/ http://bitbet.us/bet/782/ltc/ and http://bitbet.us/bet/997/ltc-to-drop-under-6-50-before-september/ have resolved.

22:14

BitBet - LTC to fall against BTC :: 9.02 B (90%) on Yes, 0.98 B (10%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 62`775 (100`000 to 1)

22:14

BitBet - LTC <= 0.01 BTC before September 1st :: 2.47 B (87%) on Yes, 0.37 B (13%) on No | closing in 4 days 21 hours | weight: 4`074 (100`000 to 1`000)

22:14

BitBet - LTC to drop under $6.50 before September :: 1.48 B (68%) on Yes, 0.71 B (32%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 43`329 (100`000 to 1)

22:14

turbo_ac100 cool.

22:15

!up TimSwanson

22:15

i got hosed on that facking ltc bet

22:16

turbo_ac100

Yeah. I had a WOT rating here from kakobrekla. And I had a super-secure password. Only one is left.

22:16

was watching it all day

22:16

Hello, all of my passwords are 1234abcd

22:16

lol

22:16

went to go jerk off, shower, then I come back and BAM it's trading at .0101 something

22:16

Anton suggested I come chat, I saw mircea's comment on my site

22:16

TheNewDeal was it that it stays under or what ?

22:16

stays above

22:16

TimSwanson you the guy with the ofnumbers/book thing ?

22:17

got caught with the late bet once again

22:17

that's me

22:17

i have to go in a bit, but can chat for a few moments

22:17

ok, let me explain to you why your "ad hominem" approach is broken.

22:17

lol

22:18

I have read your post 3 times, you do not cite any data

22:18

All you do is attack me

22:18

That is an "ad hominem"

22:18

you may generously represent yourself as equal to all people, myself included. this however is false : i am a major player in a major revolution. you are practically nobody, or if we're charitable a minor player in a lengthy tradition, if we are again charitable and consider the us derpage somehow related to european academia as a human thought adventure.

22:18

That is an ad hominem

22:18

now, if you want to talk about my think, and i say you're stupid, this can not be waved aside by you claiming it's an ad hominem.

22:18

That is what the authors of articles in The Economist, do not sign their names

22:18

i would know if it were or if it weren't. you, however, wouldn't.

22:18

because the arguments are supposed to stand for themselves

22:19

That is besides the point

22:19

so. inasmuch as you wish to continue, on the general expectation that bitcoin will eventually conform to your worldview, you're more than welcome to it.

22:19

Mircea, you need to deal with the content of the chapters

22:19

however, this will positively never happen. bitcoin will just ruin academia as you know it and that's that.

22:19

And not just say "hey, I don't know him"

22:19

why ?

22:19

Because that's how normal debates work

↖ ↖ ↖ ↖ ↖

22:19

because he desparately needs your attention

22:19

I know reading is hard in caves in Romania

22:19

Lack of light, etc.

22:19

you don't get to say how these debates work. again, because bitcoin.

22:19

otherwise he falls off into the blogosphere

22:20

the problem here isbn't that i don't know you.,

22:20

the problem is that you don't klnow me, and by extension bitcoin.

22:20

I don't care that you don't know me

22:20

You don't own Bitcoin

22:20

you're stuck working with strawmen whether you want to or not.

22:20

That's not how debates work

↖ ↖

22:20

which is why the stuff yo usay is lulzy to people here, but not to you.

22:20

What is the strawman?

22:20

Can I please argue for a moment

22:20

You attacked me in a post

22:20

i didn't attack you.

22:20

That's an ad hominem

22:20

Yes you did

22:20

I have a bone to pick with this statement "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."

22:21

You said I was a "environmental scholar"

22:21

i scored you. the difference here is that in order to attack you we'd have to share something. we do not.

22:21

what exactly do you do for a living ?

22:21

Haha, okay

22:21

I hope you enjoy your journey on the High Horse

22:21

If you clicked "About the author" you might know

22:21

i have, which is how i got to this idea

22:21

I do a lot work with Bitcoin startups, legal ones

22:21

now, i may well have misunderstood you. so, what do you do ?

22:21

I have said so in many interviews

22:21

I work doing market research for Bitcoin companies

22:21

none that apparently ever mattered.

22:21

so you think.

22:21

Okay, nice

22:22

Any other personal insults you'd like to make?

22:22

looky : i've been fran kto you. now, can i get a frank answer to what exactly it is you do, for a living ?

22:22

as a profession. what's your degree. something.

22:22

I get paid to interview people, find out what they do and then write it up

22:22

Go to my LinkedIn

22:22

It's on my site

22:23

turbo_ac100

g'night guys. New key tommorrow :)

22:23

you think this is somehow more respectable than "evironment scholar" ?

22:23

I have never done anything with the "environment"

22:23

Timothy Swanson Timothy Swanson is an American economics scholar specializing in environmental governance, ... << is this you ?

22:23

I used to actually build mining machines

22:23

no

22:23

That's wikipedia

22:23

Another guy

22:23

so you're not that tim swanson.

22:23

If you actually clicked on my LinkedIn, you would see that is the case

22:23

okay, i'll have to fix that article, no scholar environmental or otherwise.

22:24

link it.

22:24

Busy with other stuff, you can click on it by visiting: www.ofnumbers.com/about-the-author

22:24

http://www.linkedin.com/in/timswanson

22:24

Tim Swanson | LinkedIn

22:24

i dont think blogging is a real job, no?

22:24

and as to the earlier point : there is no such thing as "legal ones" re bitcoin companies. there's bitcoin companies, and then there's fiat companies that try to make a buck off bitcoin

22:24

these two have exactly zero in common.

22:25

RagnarDanneskjol arguably i make a living blogging these days, so who's to know anymore.

22:25

Blogging is not my job

22:25

Honestly, I didn't come here to be personally insulted, I thought you actually had data

22:25

Great Chain of Numbers: A Guide to Smart Contracts, Smart Property and Trustless Asset Management

22:25

March 3, 2014

22:25

Authors: Tim Swanson

22:25

Instead, you're just attacking me

22:25

I can make a living camping and foraging, does not make it a real job

22:26

Do you have any actual complaints with say, Chapter 3?

22:26

TimSwanson you ever read http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ ?

22:26

GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:26

Yes, I linked to it in my recent book saying it won't work

22:26

Chapter 17

22:26

in a footnote

22:26

teach me your secrets

22:26

Pay me money

22:26

TimSwanson now we're getting somewhere.

22:27

Look, all you have to do, is read either book and then you can say what you disagree with

22:27

Imagine if the book had no author, then it would just be about the actual content of the book

22:27

Instead, you have wasted about 10 minutes trying to attack me

22:27

if the book had no author i definitely wouildn't read it.

22:27

Okay, that's your loss

22:27

i don't think you understand how this works. things need a source to exist.

22:27

I cite hundreds of sources

22:27

Other sources

22:28

Look in the Endnotes

22:28

hundreds of sources eh ?

22:28

Yes, you should press the blue underlined hyperlink button to open the book

22:28

this is readily reducible to the problem of "i have a very high wot score". it's not the number. it's the identity.

22:28

dja grok how the wot works ?

22:28

Then on the right side there is a "scroll bar", go down to the bottom

22:28

I am not interested in your WoT games

22:28

I came here out of curteousy

22:28

I have answered your questions

22:29

right. so if you're not interested in bitcoin, why should i care what you wrote down somewhere ?

22:29

My WoT in the real world is pretty good

22:29

You are the one leaving comments on my blog

22:29

this is pretty much the gist of the problem. get interested in bitcoin or get used to not being taken seriously, i guess.

22:29

If you weren't interested, why would you leave it?

22:29

You are not a gatekeeper for bitcoin

22:29

You do not get to decide who is or is not interested

22:29

i left a comment on an article that pingbacked my article,

22:29

That defeats the whole purpose of permissionless

22:29

It auto-pings

22:29

Welcome to 2003

22:29

and i left it because it was apparent to me that you don't, on your own, possess the intellectual means to comprehend the problem.

22:30

What is the problem I do not comprehend?

22:30

now, whether this session helped or didn't is unclear, but at least i tried.

22:30

I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works

22:30

What did you try?

22:30

Insulting me?

22:30

well, i suppose the way to reference it in your system would be "the wot games".

22:30

You have provided no data for your position

22:30

I understand WoT

22:30

you aren't yet enough of a something to be insultable im affraid.

22:30

I have a big network in the real world outside caves

22:30

So you invited me, to insult me?

22:30

that's nice.

22:31

well now look. so do you understand the wot or don't you.

22:31

What is your actual argument?

22:31

Yes, I am not in your WoT

22:31

I am not interested in being your WoT

22:31

I am interested in research, with data

22:31

my actual argument is that you're captive in a mostly meanginless structure, and that it's a shame, basically.

22:31

That was not your argument

22:31

You called me names

22:31

And ignored "a"

22:31

Whoever "a" was

22:32

you're not about to tell me what my argument is, now is it ?

22:32

Brought up good points on mining costs

22:32

Look, I have to go in about 5 minutes

22:32

have fun.

22:32

Do you actually have some data about mining you want to chat about?

22:32

Or did you just want to insult me?

22:32

please stay, this is highly entertaining

22:32

no, but should you wish to actually learn about bitcoin, this channel is here.

22:32

there's also a log.

22:32

Haha, you're right, I have no idea what Bitcoin is, at all

22:32

so you can do it discreetly if ego wound avoidance is such a priority.

22:32

Please, tell me the way, the truth and the light

22:32

indeed, that's the gist of it.

22:33

Look, you sound a lot like any other religious leader who says "you cannot understand the movement unless you're part of it"

22:33

It's a non sequitur

22:33

also a¬ stands for.. .a-non

22:33

Either you have an argument with data, or just rhetoric

22:33

i thought it was pretty clever.

22:33

i am not actually saying that.

22:33

Okay, so "a-non had an interesting couple of points

22:33

About the costs of mining

22:33

what i am saying is that you can never have something meanginful to say about a culture from outside of it.

22:34

The costs of mining have seen and unseen aspects

22:34

Bitcoin is open source tech

22:34

It's not culture

22:34

well that'd be where we differ

22:34

bitcoin is irreducible to fiat.

22:34

Show me the line of code that has "culture" in it?

22:35

this'd be a fine example of the strawman in question. you imagine this is a meaningful question, but it isn't.

22:35

This si the same problem cypherpunks had back in the '90s

22:35

They built really cool tech like PGP or even Digicash and ZKS but couldn't find a target market in a profitable manner

22:35

</member><member name="P:Bitcoin_import_key.My.Resources.Resources.Culture">

22:35

i doubt thinking of those people in collective terms is very sensible, but anyway.

22:35

Are you a bot?

22:36

You have not said anything about mining

22:36

"cypherpunks" didn't "build pgp"

22:36

mod6

lel

22:36

Pretty sure the cypherpunks in California would disagree with you, Phil Zimmerman may have coded it, but they dreamt it up, etc.

22:36

oh they dreamt it up

22:36

show me the dream in the code.

22:36

Anyways, I am gonna take off

22:37

Was nice chatting with the community here

22:37

Feel free to email me if you have any other questions

22:37

Cheers

22:37

mod6

m00

22:37

this being the main reason. people get so emotionally invested in their fiat-denominated holdings they simply can't adapt.

22:38

and it's funny what actually plays the role of fiat-denominated investment in most cases.

22:38

not like this dude is rich or anything.

22:38

that's the bay area for ya

22:39

anyone bored enough to extract the footnote in question from chapter 17, lemmeknow. i got a log to read.

22:39

somehow i'd much rather spend my time reading that than listen to songs someone wrote based on poems they wrote (the world needs more singers-songwriters and fewer doctors and engineers!)

22:40

you would rather read that trash?

22:40

I can only presume there's some thick sarcasm I'm missing

22:40

fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks << this is a major part of why mtgox debacle was so funny to the old timers.

22:40

TheNewDeal what trash, th logs ?

22:41

oh gotcha. Thought you meant that dude's writings

22:41

ah, him. well, if he manages to get over himself he might actually do something useful at some point.

22:42

is this the first time i got called a religious leader btw ?

22:42

"Bitcoin may be able to do that one day, but maybe not at the current $40 per transaction cost structure. " What troll-drugs is this guy smoking

22:42

TheNewDeal: it sounds like fallacy, but it's partially true

22:43

I have never paid $40 per transaction

22:43

dignork did that go just about the way you expected ?

22:43

I have never paid 1$ per transaction

22:43

usdbtcprice/average number of tx per block

22:43

TheNewDeal it's the old "bitcoin is nto visa" thing.

22:44

;;isitdown google.com

22:44

google.com is up

22:44

Gotcha. I was taking it to mean 40$ in fees per transaction

22:44

not for me...

22:44

i got this https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl

22:44

Google

22:44

TheNewDeal nah, this thing http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015

22:44

Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:44

TheNewDeal: yeah, but it's an extrapolation, to when miners payouts drop to zero

22:45

I've read that comment before

22:46

mircea_popescu: I think it's a beginning of beautiful friendship. or not.

22:46

dignork how old is the dude anyway ?

22:46

locklin never managed to get over being told off.

22:46

i would imagine somewhere 30ish is the cutoff.

22:47

chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ?normal? we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy? << trilema!11!11!eleven :D

22:47

mircea_popescu: not sure, from linkedin pic - 30 or so, i'm bad with age detection

22:48

looks 48 to me, but what do i know.

22:49

%p

22:49

[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6952.12 GH/s

22:49

TheNewDeal: so the logic goes: currently miners are reimbursed ~40$ per tx, what will happen to them when payout drops. It's actually a valid question imho.

22:50

dignork what's that $40 come from, 600ish tx per block, 25 btc per tx, 600 $ per btc ?

22:50

yep

22:50

do you see how idiotic it is to look at that in $ ?

22:50

they'll be paid some fractions of bitcent.

22:51

that's where this lets go : btc price goes up high enough for it to be worthwhile to miners. that tiny cent.

22:51

as transaction fees?

22:51

otherwise they don't sell it.

22:51

yes.

22:51

which might cost gazillions, but you can't count on it, price might rise slower than payout fall

22:51

it can't lol.

22:51

that's exactly what it's based on

22:51

what did you think drove the price, "merchant adoption"?

22:52

then why wasn't there a huge price jump during the reward halving?

22:52

was it "priced in"

22:52

something like that.

22:52

real prices don't follow fundamentals exactly. this is how you know they're real prices.

22:53

TheNewDeal: well, currently fees are very small relative to pyaouts, so it wasn;t supposed to create price jump

22:53

if you look at secular averages, there is a huge jump.

22:53

but the reward halved!

22:53

what do you mean by secular?

22:53

;;ud secular

22:53

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=secular | Dec 24, 2004 ... secular. Intelligent; One who uses common sense and deductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that religion is a joke. I think, therefore I ...

22:53

average price over 215k blocks.

22:53

right, so fees jumped from 0.1% to 0.2 #

22:54

dignork that's not the problem. the equation roughly is, "total btc miners get for mining". how that chunk is composed dun matter much.

22:54

so per-block went from 50.00x to 25.0x

22:54

roughly, halved.

22:55

and it looks like it's gonna go 12.x, and then x as in 6-9ish

22:56

do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount?

22:56

aren't they already ?

22:56

as in, .00025 or something

22:56

currently it's .0001

22:56

well so there you go.

22:56

I'm just wondering, do yo think that is how things will go?

22:57

it's a market, unlikely it'll ever go over a buck or w/e.

22:57

obviouisly. scarce resource, expensive to make. gotta be this tal lto ride.

22:57

it would be interesting to see if there were peak hours where high fee transactions were the vast majority to get through

22:58

then off peak, back to some lower levels

22:58

maybe some timezone effect eventually.

22:59

!up jborkl

22:59

Thank you

22:59

!up Ginux

23:00

tefl/tkt ? holy shit, english teachers are now talking about their connections in the world ? what the fuck is wrong with this world, jesus.

23:00

http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-assets-1st-annual-bitcoin-awards/

23:00

403 Forbidden

23:00

Never mind the 403 it works

23:00

everyone's just sell sell sell not even a moment to consider it may be veering into the fucking ridiculous after a while ?

23:02

punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there << i wonder how much btc they get paid.

23:02

;;gettrust assbot bats_cd03

23:02

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bats_cd03 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bats_cd03 | Rated since: never

23:02

;;rate bats_cd03 New blood.

23:02

Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.

23:02

;;rate bats_cd03 1 New blood.

23:03

Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

23:03

bats_cd03 get in the wot wouldja.

23:03

!up bats_cd03

23:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00073702 = 32.8711 BTC [-] {3}

23:03

punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop? << three gini guesses, and anything that's not "because they stopped wash trading" dun count.

23:05

punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000" << shoudl be interesting what they rent for 111k. weren't the derps in san francisco whining coupla months ago that 10 / month / sqfoot is "outside of what a business can pay" ?

23:07

is bats different from mats?

23:09

i has nfi.

23:11

i ended up in http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?page=3&order=dateup and im chortling to myself lmao.

23:11

#bitcoin-assets bash

23:11

this shit's gotten pretty good by now

23:15

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 278 @ 0.00188898 = 0.5251 BTC [+]

23:15

<TheNewDeal> do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount? < only the poor people pay fees

23:16

bitcoin, retrograde in more than one ways.

23:22

is that why bitbet takes so long from resolved to my wallet :D

23:22

nanotube

<mircea_popescu> nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or http://bitcoin-otc.com to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ? <- if you mean by gpg keyid/print, then gpg info supports query by keyid. website does not currently but in theory that can be arranged.

23:22

#bitcoin-otc

23:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14473 @ 0.00073589 = 10.6505 BTC [-] {2}

23:25

nanotube

;;help gpg info

23:25

(gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID.

23:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12577 @ 0.00073455 = 9.2384 BTC [-]

23:27

;;google define: test

23:27

Speedtest.net by Ookla - The Global Broadband Speed Test: <http://www.speedtest.net/>; Personality test based on C. Jung and I. Briggs Myers type theory: <http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp>; Speakeasy Speed Test: <https://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/>

23:29

copumpkin

MPOE tanking!

23:29

copumpkin

(cheap MPOE?)

23:36

get it while its cold

23:37

when did havelock change so that you must be logged in and own shares in order to download reports?

23:38

it throws me this message when i tried to grab casinobitco.in update - "You must be logged in and own units of the fund"

23:39

actually, works for some, not others, maybe it's up to whoever listed it

23:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 31 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7822 BTC [-]

23:42

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2759999 = 0.552 BTC [+]

23:44

nanotube the gribble part is good enough.

23:45

;;gpginfo 2FB7B452

23:45

Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.

23:45

;;gpg info 2FB7B452

23:45

No such user registered.

23:45

;;gpg info 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452

23:45

No such user registered.

23:45

;;gpg info 8A736F0E2FB7B452

23:45

No such user registered.

23:46

nanotube what am i doing wrong ?

23:46

;;gpg info --key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

23:46

User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Aug 11 17:27:18 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu .

23:46

a yay!

23:46

Jason ^

23:46

nanotube tyvm, sorry for all the highlights :)

23:51

bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos <<< yes, this is why fires are so dangerous in contemporary urban settings. the smoke kills you more often than the fire.

23:52

it's a great coincidence that wood burns cleanly and coal only slightly dirty, otherwise civilisation'd have been quite a different thing.

23:56

penguirker

New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-assets-1st-annual-bitcoin-awards/

23:59

nanotube

mircea_popescu: np :)

23:59

i can't decide if i prefer cognac or rum with this chocolate fondue. they're both so damned good!

23:59