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00:00 mircea_popescu trying to compare those Ys with these Ys misses both points.
00:00 mircea_popescu X is actually more important than Y.
00:00 mircea_popescu no other business in the history of business sits in this position of "can only turn a profit"
00:00 ThickAsThieves well...
00:00 mircea_popescu consequently models developed for evaluating what are fundamentally pmbs can not usefully be applied.
00:00 ThickAsThieves can only lot lose money, maybe
00:01 ThickAsThieves not*
00:01 ThickAsThieves but even then
00:01 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah, isuppose it can also be 0.
00:01 mircea_popescu for that matter, even the s.mpoe mkt cap comparison to an actual comp is broken.
00:02 mircea_popescu you'd have to compare s.mpoe mkt cap with an actual corp's mktcap - book value
00:02 mircea_popescu altho that's also not quite accurate.
00:02 ThickAsThieves for an many things as herb covered he only scratched the surface
00:02 mircea_popescu in short... this is a complete nonsensical mess of wires sticking out.
00:02 Bugpowdurr mircea_popescu: Q about exercise
00:02 ThickAsThieves the answer is obvious nayway
00:02 mircea_popescu Bugpowdurr shoot.
00:02 ThickAsThieves there's only one way to price mpoe
00:03 ThickAsThieves at market
00:03 mircea_popescu up ? lol
00:03 ThickAsThieves tada!
00:03 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids you enlightened any yet ?
00:04 Bugpowdurr If there are 3000 contracts of an option outstanding sold to bot, then another user creates another 500 contracts, and then exercises them without selling them, does that force the exercise of a fraction of the previously sold options?
00:05 mircea_popescu in principle yes.
00:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00087279 = 5.2367 BTC [-]
00:06 mircea_popescu atm the entire option thing is quarantined because of the price signal bs
00:06 ThickAsThieves when wasnt it bs?
00:06 mircea_popescu this is finance. bs is fine until it smells.
00:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17735 @ 0.00087258 = 15.4752 BTC [-] {2}
00:07 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1632070/plain/)
00:07 ThickAsThieves !b 3
00:07 Bugpowdurr So exercising in borkled right now?
00:08 ThickAsThieves this seems odd to me
00:08 Bugpowdurr And in theory, a 3rd party could force exercise of someone else's short position by mkopt -> exercise chains?
00:08 ThickAsThieves to buy options, and not have options
00:09 herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: dude. i did not say MPOE was expensive.
00:09 ThickAsThieves i did
00:09 ThickAsThieves that;s what i took from it as well
00:10 ThickAsThieves overpriced, tomatoe
00:10 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: if the price i pay today for MPOE is more than the total amount of gains that MPOE can bring in over say, 10 years, then it is a bad investment for people looking for assets to invest in for 10 years
00:10 mircea_popescu Bugpowdurr how would they force someone's short position anyway ?
00:11 mircea_popescu normally executions are distributed to actual held options randomly, but atm im holding the pre 14th set apart.
00:11 ThickAsThieves 10 years?
00:11 Bugpowdurr "Bear in mind that whenever someone exercises options of your symbol you will be allocated a portion of the executions corresponding to your total share of created contracts for that symbol. Thus if you create 100 O.BTCUSD.C50T and someone else creates 150, in case there's an execution of 50 contracts you will be assigned 20 of those."
00:11 mike_c hm
00:11 herbijudlestoids no?
00:11 ThickAsThieves that's like 100years in bitcoin
00:11 mike_c you know you can sell it when you're done, right?
00:11 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids only if mpoe is to close shop in 10 years.
00:12 Bugpowdurr I was thinking that someone could deduce whether the whale short the puts had been stopped out by MKOPT / EXERCISE a number of options and see how many were assigned to him vs. other.
00:12 ThickAsThieves herb the problem with all that really is you can't apply your numbers without making assumptions, but in fact, only one assumption can be made, you're making too many assumptions
00:13 mircea_popescu Bugpowdurr in principle this should work.
00:13 mircea_popescu not in the case at hand tho.
00:13 Bugpowdurr but doesn't at the moment due to unannounced options segregation
00:13 Bugpowdurr Damn.
00:14 Bugpowdurr Also damn, I'm on a network that doesn't let me send BTC.
00:14 herbijudlestoids mike_c: if im dependent on the ask price at end of life then its a speculation not investment
00:14 mike_c well, that was part of his point. the pmb will necessarily decay. mpoe won't.
00:14 herbijudlestoids so, S.MPOE priced at 100BTC per share is just as good an investment as S.MPOE at 0.0000001 per share then
00:14 herbijudlestoids is that what youre claiming?
00:14 mike_c i'm not claiming that.
00:14 herbijudlestoids i must be a complete moron
00:14 mike_c well you are a quant :) (don't get mad now)
00:14 herbijudlestoids ...
00:14 mike_c hm, try this. would s.mpoe returning 1% a year be the same to you as 7C returning 1% a year?
00:14 herbijudlestoids 7C?
00:14 mike_c !t h 7c
00:14 assbot [HAVELOCK:7C] 1D: 0.00414026 / 0.00414026 / 0.00414027 (23 shares, 0.09522599 BTC), 7D: 0.00330000 / 0.00447172 / 0.00787947 (266 shares, 1.18947875 BTC), 30D: 0.00310008 / 0.0051724 / 0.00789999 (1033 shares, 5.34308438 BTC)
00:14 mike_c nvm, anything on havelock.
00:14 herbijudlestoids uh...so youre talking about two securities, both with the same known future rate of return?
00:14 mike_c no, i'm talking about with the same historicals (price and eps for last 6 months)
00:14 herbijudlestoids sure, if so, i would value them identically
00:14 mike_c oof
00:14 mike_c really? come on.
00:14 herbijudlestoids if you know the future rate of return will be the same then yes
00:14 mike_c i said the same historicals. obviously no one "knows" the future rate of return.
00:14 herbijudlestoids ok my conn just lagged out sorry reading up those lines
00:14 herbijudlestoids mike_c: no i wouldnt value shit based on historical data alone?
00:14 herbijudlestoids mike_c: i thought the article ...i just wrote...makes it pretty clear? if youre buying one asset based on the 6 month historicals, then the future has to play out in a certain way for your investment to not underperform.
00:14 mike_c underperform compared to what though.
00:14 herbijudlestoids compared to just holding BTC and taking no loss!
00:14 herbijudlestoids mike_c: hold BTC, return 0%, hold overvalued asset for 10Y, sell asset, return -10%
00:14 herbijudlestoids hold undeprriced asset for 10Y, sell asset, return +10%
00:14 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i said *asset*. any of them, it doesnt matter.
00:14 ThickAsThieves what the
00:14 Bugpowdurr yikes
00:14 mike_c freenode is not healthy right now
00:15 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i am totally fine with valuing MPOE on a book value basis. so what is the current P/B multiple?
00:15 Bugpowdurr Well... my little crafty experiment is a fail.
00:15 mircea_popescu mpoe book = 0
00:15 mircea_popescu is the problem
00:15 mircea_popescu so p/b is infinite anyway.
00:15 Bugpowdurr time for a good night's sleep.
00:15 Bugpowdurr l8r
00:15 ThickAsThieves peace
00:16 mike_c herbi, have you done a dcf on mpoe?
00:17 herbijudlestoids if yall were trying to explain something...or make me see some kind of light, im not seeing it
00:17 herbijudlestoids mike_c: nope
00:17 mircea_popescu whenever you seem just about to get it you retreat to declaring you ain't getting it
00:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00513044 = 0.2309 BTC [-] {3}
00:18 mircea_popescu let's go yet another angle at this.
00:18 herbijudlestoids pls stick to the angle
00:18 herbijudlestoids you said focus on rate of conservation
00:18 mircea_popescu if one continues to interpolate the current difficulty of mining curve,
00:18 mircea_popescu the future value of bitcoin is pretty much infinite.
00:19 mircea_popescu this makes the substitute p/b for any other way to get btc in the indefinite future also properly infinite.
00:19 herbijudlestoids ok, i dont disagree with any of those statements
00:19 herbijudlestoids i have some experience with the same concept re gold
00:19 mircea_popescu basically the lot of what i'm saying is that there are no acceptable models to valuate here.
00:20 ThickAsThieves well there's one
00:20 mircea_popescu this will need more research rather than simple c/p stuff that really doesn't work in fiat anyway
00:20 ThickAsThieves ;)
00:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00018035 = 0.9018 BTC [-] {8}
00:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]
00:20 herbijudlestoids ....
00:20 herbijudlestoids did anyone catch me valuating?
00:20 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it's an indetermination (inf/inf) it'll have to be somehow resolved
00:20 herbijudlestoids without me knowing?
00:20 ThickAsThieves i dont think it can be
00:21 ThickAsThieves i think it's like a currency rate burdened by indeterminable inflation rates
00:21 ThickAsThieves can only be priced in the moment
00:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1564 @ 0.00017688 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {5}
00:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 187 @ 0.0051107 = 0.9557 BTC [-] {8}
00:21 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids sowhat were you doing ?
00:21 ThickAsThieves at market
00:22 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: showing what the market is implying the EPS growth rate will be on an infinite horizon...
00:22 mircea_popescu well i don't see i could disagree with that.
00:22 mircea_popescu why are we arguing again ?
00:22 Duffer1 conversion rate
00:23 mircea_popescu o wait. we are arguing because you're claiming you can calculate the eps growth.
00:23 mircea_popescu this is not established.
00:23 ThickAsThieves cuz someone said if things were different, things would be different or such
00:23 herbijudlestoids cos you said some bullshit about my focus on growth coming from fiat and that i should focus on the rate of conservation
00:23 mike_c Duffer1 :) that's the second time. are you deliberately misspelling conservation?
00:23 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids perhaps not the best expression of the concept, but anyway.
00:23 herbijudlestoids ps: we arent arguing, i am questioning, to understand
00:24 mircea_popescu what makes you think you can calculate the eps growth rate implied by the market ?
00:24 Duffer1 mike_c ah thanks i misread conservation
00:25 mircea_popescu (don't get me wrong, i get the ample wtftude involved here. i humbly submit it's not because of me but because of fundamental issues stemming from the nature of btc)
00:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
00:26 herbijudlestoids how do i know what...that the price of MPOE is derived from economic activities?
00:26 ThickAsThieves maybe the price is cuz few holders hold most
00:26 mircea_popescu each and every juncture of it.
00:26 ThickAsThieves and those 3 guys dont feel like selling
00:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0008739 = 11.0548 BTC [+]
00:26 mircea_popescu one example.
00:26 ThickAsThieves why does the market have to imply anything?
00:27 ThickAsThieves how does it?
00:27 mircea_popescu another : maybe s.mpoe is becoming monetized in a particular manner,
00:27 mike_c the havelock market implies a lot of things
00:27 mircea_popescu such as for instance as roughly the equivalent of a discounted us fed
00:27 mircea_popescu wherein a number of large players keep pushing back and forth holdings of s.mpoe as tokens of credit
00:27 mircea_popescu that's a theory explored in http://trilema.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/
00:28 ThickAsThieves it's cuz Eve
00:28 mircea_popescu and in general, the safe assumptions in fiat are at the very least suspect in btc.
00:28 ThickAsThieves and Rift
00:28 mircea_popescu o btw... the bitcoin guild in rift ? biggest thing on server.
00:28 mircea_popescu > 700 ppl
00:28 herbijudlestoids ok maybe i am making some assumptions, but i think those assumptions: 1. that the price of MPOE is derived from something, 2. that MPOE is an economic entity 3. that the price of MPOE is derived from that economic activity
00:28 ThickAsThieves i contemplated reinstallation...
00:28 herbijudlestoids those are pretty safe assumptions.
00:29 mircea_popescu so you say.
00:29 ThickAsThieves yes it's safe to assume MPOE is a thing with a price
00:29 herbijudlestoids ...
00:30 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids there's no compelling reason to believe the price of mpoe isn't derived from its value as a currency.
00:30 ThickAsThieves i just dont see how you could possibly isolate anything useful
00:30 mike_c is TWTR value derived from its economic activity or from pipe dreams about future potential?
00:30 herbijudlestoids mike_c: value or price?
00:30 mircea_popescu twtr value is defo not derived from any economic activity
00:30 ThickAsThieves how do you factor liquidity?
00:30 mircea_popescu fb/groupon/etc for that matter either.
00:31 herbijudlestoids err exactly? right?
00:31 herbijudlestoids the market implied EPS growth rate for FB/TWTR/GRPN are very very high. not as high as MPOE, but quite high
00:31 ThickAsThieves people still buy grpn?
00:31 mircea_popescu but yes, to complete the story : for all you know s.mpoe is the fractionary reserve of the btc superrich. for all you know s.mpoe is the doge of assets. for all you know s.mpoe is the golden ticket people dream with.
00:31 herbijudlestoids if the economic activity (or lack theroef) in those assets does not provide an appropriate amount of EPS growth
00:31 ThickAsThieves yeesh
00:32 herbijudlestoids then investors will underperform relative to holding cash or the index
00:32 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids you seem strangely immune to the currency notion.
00:32 mircea_popescu what exact economic activity does gold provide ?
00:32 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: no im willing to accept that
00:33 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: store of value which is hoardable without restricting the economy, non dilutable, no counterparty risk, etc
00:33 mircea_popescu right. that's an angle i can't reduce or disprove.
00:34 mircea_popescu for that matter, the other angle i can't reduce or disprove is "very small certain income > any other alternative, seeing how all other assets are -EV so far"
00:34 KRS-One http://i.imgur.com/pU2lyce.jpg
00:34 mircea_popescu and obviously, "dude it's a scam through and through" is a third.
00:34 KRS-One .bait
00:34 mircea_popescu can't fucking apply numeric methods on something this conceptually fragmented.
00:34 herbijudlestoids so? still waiting to understand how my notion of "growth" is imported from fiat and why i should focus on the "rate of conservation"
00:34 mircea_popescu which is why i love you.
00:34 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/4b5d8a295f96a1b95c479f7854c63718/tumblr_mugv6z3DjK1qgj6gdo1_1280.jpg
00:35 KRS-One love that pic of magical tux
00:35 mircea_popescu the value of the only asset which yields a + is pretty muchj... infinite
00:35 mircea_popescu or unspecified
00:35 mircea_popescu or "whatever it costs"
00:35 mircea_popescu very prone to sudden volatility etc
00:35 herbijudlestoids by the avg asset do you mean the shite on havelock or whatever?
00:36 mircea_popescu well, glbse, take your pick. bitjam or w/e
00:36 herbijudlestoids ye
00:36 mircea_popescu you're in new york, all eateries serve excrement
00:36 herbijudlestoids so youre talking relative valuation
00:36 herbijudlestoids i am not.
00:36 mircea_popescu human, goat, whatever. hispano, jew, you can pick it.
00:36 herbijudlestoids MPOE is infinitely valuable compared to scams. sure. no worries, no argument.
00:36 mircea_popescu obviously the seats in the one restaurant which serves food go by "how much people hungry can afford to pay"
00:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 588 @ 0.00017372 = 0.1021 BTC [-] {3}
00:36 herbijudlestoids that is not what im talking about
00:37 mircea_popescu this is no relation to economic activity.
00:37 herbijudlestoids err well it totally is though
00:37 mircea_popescu arguably!
00:37 mircea_popescu but you need a much more... efficient! market
00:37 mircea_popescu see ? that's what mike_c was basically saying originally.
00:37 mircea_popescu currently bitcoin is woefully inefficient : people get beaten into shit, they turn around and reimplement the same thing.
00:38 mircea_popescu and again and again.
00:38 herbijudlestoids mike_c originally said that i assumed the market was efficient and therefore MPOE was overpriced. i did not saythat.
00:38 mircea_popescu that's as antieconical as it gets.
00:38 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids stop being so fragile. he just said you're presuming the market is efficient and therefore oyu're stupid
00:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11294 @ 0.00015837 = 1.7886 BTC [-] {5}
00:39 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: so, for the sake of experiment, we are not allowed to make assumption that MPOE price is locally efficient? thats stupid now?
00:39 mircea_popescu antieconical lmao. they don't make e-cones zese pplz!
00:40 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids i r sorry but it is. pretty much any assumption of market efficiency in any bitcoin market is touched in the head.
00:40 mircea_popescu (which again is proven by the diff curve, with its attendant problems, and by the fiat/btc prices, and by a thousand other glimmers)
00:41 ThickAsThieves it would be less crazy to look at past data to see what that implies for the future
00:41 herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: lolllllllll
00:41 mircea_popescu not bad lol
00:41 herbijudlestoids one tells me the assuming the price is efficient is stupid
00:41 ThickAsThieves :)
00:41 herbijudlestoids the next tells me you can infer future performance from the past inefficient price
00:41 mircea_popescu he must have been trollingk
00:41 mike_c however the altcoin market.. getting tight! 100 satoshi spread on x-bt
00:42 mike_c fire up the day trading bots
00:42 mircea_popescu why does nobody have nighttrading bots ?
00:42 mircea_popescu i imagine they;'d be sexier.
00:42 herbijudlestoids you cant really daytrade in a 24/7 market
00:42 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids anyway, don't let any of the foregoing impugn on your intelligence or usefulness for the space.
00:42 mircea_popescu you're being useful.
00:43 herbijudlestoids daytrading by definition is having no positions at close
00:43 ThickAsThieves the "all" is silent in daytrading
00:43 mike_c also, they aren't really "bots". just computer programs.
00:43 mircea_popescu actually because of how credit works you can sort-of rolling-window-daytrade
00:43 mircea_popescu as in, not have to rollover any day/week/whatever loans
00:44 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: like i said earlier. i dont view this as an argument, when i question it is just to learn. i am always willing to consider an opinion or formula or whatever, even if i dont accept it in the end.
00:44 herbijudlestoids if you tell me something i dont understand, i will question. not to defend my existing view, which im happy to discard given evidence.
00:44 mircea_popescu yeah but chat gets pretty hot and you're new, so. one never knows.
00:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17446 @ 0.00087253 = 15.2222 BTC [-]
00:44 chetty http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/google-ngram-experiments/
00:45 mircea_popescu now that's cool
00:45 ozbot Google NGram Experiments | Information Is Beautiful
00:45 herbijudlestoids i like the ngram viewer much more than google trends
00:46 herbijudlestoids but the data is not as realtime as trends
00:47 mircea_popescu very well armed intellectually these peoples.
00:47 chetty its never the tools fault
00:48 herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: worse they present the data as if it was clear cut that now people like salsa more than ketchup, but there is probly algorithmic/computational reasons more than historical ones
00:49 herbijudlestoids anyway. i cant stick around. i just came because mike_c said i said MPOE was overvalued.
00:49 herbijudlestoids to be clear, if the RoR is 1%, its fairly valued, or slightly undervalued.
00:52 jurov lolwat
00:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.072 = 0.72 BTC [-]
00:54 jurov ;;slap assbot
00:54 * gribble slaps assbot with a variable biff
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00:54 kakobrekla thanks
00:54 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2014#513545
00:54 kakobrekla works nao
00:55 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
00:55 mircea_popescu cool
00:57 Duffer1 .d
00:57 ozbot 3129573174.52229 | Next Diff in 1833 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.3479% in 11d 21h 30m 20s
00:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}
01:02 cads Wow these poor pokemon bastards have been stuck in a maze for 24 hours now.
01:03 cads today it reached a new high - 75 thousand people mashing buttons desperately trying to get past what would normally take two minutes for a single player.
01:04 cazalla what's that about cad?
01:04 cazalla cads*
01:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00087073 = 17.4581 BTC [-]
01:05 cads It's a completely absurd social experiment. Someone created a video feed of a pokemon game, and fed it to a well known distributor of live videogame video feeds, Twitch.tv.
01:06 cads In the chat room (which is a regular IRC chatroom operated by twitch.tv) the broadcaster placed a bot that would interpret messages from players as key presses: players may register to the site to go on the chat and type "up" "down", "a", "b", etc.
01:06 cazalla watching now
01:07 cazalla btw my brother had the WR for fastest complete time for pokemon red on twin galaxies
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01:07 cazalla not sure if it still stands, this is years ago
01:07 cads wow, definitely show him this
01:07 cazalla we don't talk lol, not for years
01:07 cads hehe
01:07 cads sorry to hear
01:07 cads (he probably knows anyways)
01:08 cads everyone in the pokemon world is hearing about this if only because it's been tainting the pokemon memes.
01:08 cazalla not sure if he still follows it, this was during uni for him
01:09 cazalla i need to finish the latest one that came out
01:09 cazalla only 3 or 4 badges done
01:09 mircea_popescu wtf is the pokemon world o.o
01:10 cads millions of people wasting billions of hours producing and consuming pokemon memes and other fan content
01:11 cads along with the multinationals feeding off of them.
01:11 cazalla shame they are yet to make mmorpg for pokemon
01:12 cads It would be hard to mess that up.
01:13 Duffer1 have you seen wildstar?
01:13 mircea_popescu you mean past the age of 12 ?!
01:14 Duffer1 some people dedicate lots of effort and money into fucking things up
01:14 cads mircea_popescu: Do you know about ponies?
01:14 cazalla yeah but i don't have the time for mmos anymore like wildstar
01:14 mircea_popescu cads i know little girls ride them, occasionally...
01:15 cads in the 21st century, little girls and middle aged men alike love ponies.
01:15 cads it is highly disturbing.
01:16 cads to see a man fawning over cute animated My Little Ponies
01:16 cads but the profit
01:16 cads oh the profit.
01:16 mircea_popescu uh.
01:17 mircea_popescu so bascially in the 21st century middle aged men are mentally infantile.
01:17 mircea_popescu girls used to mature a coupla years before boys,
01:17 cazalla pokemon and bronies are unrelated
01:17 mircea_popescu now it's a coupla decades.
01:17 cads cazalla: they're both products that are being enjoyed by an increasingly long tail of originally unexpected users
01:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2704 @ 0.00087129 = 2.356 BTC [+]
01:17 Duffer1 i don't know if there's support for that statement caz hehe
01:18 cazalla they're good games though
01:18 cazalla and most gamers are adults afterall
01:19 cazalla so you can't compare the 2 things
01:20 Namworld Hmm... BTC.sx has a clear lack of capital.
01:20 cads mircea_popescu: so 'moe' is a style of anime synonymous with "cute" and "budding" charachters that you want to lovingly "protect", and it's very popular with young girl audiences and middle aged male audiences.
01:20 mircea_popescu that i heard of.
01:21 cads My little pony was a failing toy brand that was rebranded by the hasbro corporation into a moe cartoon series called My little pony: friendship is magic. It was aimed at little girls but featured good writing and character design and pretty soon had a huge fan base of "bronies"
01:21 cads these are "bros" that love my little pony.
01:22 mircea_popescu ie all the people who find child porn either too expensive, too risky, or too socially inacceptable to directly discuss.
01:22 cads that's about it, except behind the scenes of course there's all sorts of disgusting pony porn and yeah, I think you hit it on the head
01:22 jurov bronies are middle age? i thought it's teenagers
01:23 mircea_popescu which is how i got to hear about it, the anthropologists keeping track of the decay of the us cultural space noticed that it's not just that holywood can't make a film that's not either a very bad socialist tract or else a drug chain
01:24 cads jurov: I'd hope the mass majority are teenagers
01:24 mircea_popescu but moreover the prevalence of pedophilia is such that it look smore like the bitcoin hash debit than anything.
01:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.527 BTC [-]
01:25 Namworld To me, "moe" can only mean Moe Szyslak. Nothing more.
01:25 cads jurov: there was the case of the 30-something that was fired from his job.
01:25 Namworld jurov, I thought bronies were mostly little girls under 10 and guys 30-50.
01:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3896 @ 0.0008724 = 3.3989 BTC [+]
01:26 Namworld With some huge age gap in-between
01:26 cads Namworld: one of my exes has a 17 year old brother who is a brony. Kid is a robotics genius, and a ... pony genius.
01:26 cads *shrug*
01:26 Namworld eh
01:27 jurov i guess these males got it inflicted upon them in the 1990s when original ponies aired
01:27 cads I've got another friend and she has a brother that has an actual pony stamp tattoo.
01:28 cads rainbow dash's storm cloud
01:28 cads I myself know entirely too much my little pony stuff to not be afraid.
01:28 cads *shrug* - meme poisoning
01:31 cads jurov: I dunno, ponies were never in the male culture growing up, at best I would have seen commercials
01:32 cads _maybe_ it's a sort of childhood brand recognition
01:33 cads the really astounding thing with this and other memes in general is how much actual work goes into creating and distributing, discussing, criticizing, 'debating' memes.
01:34 cads and how it's come to pass that corporations profit off of this content as if they made it, just by hosting it
01:34 jurov i do remember them, it was a biggie for some time. fortunately i was not allowed much tv then
01:35 mircea_popescu cads so how much profit exactly are we talking here ?
01:35 Namworld I didn't have cable until like 2000 and I don't know when we got Internet... probably so late.
01:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00015811 = 0.3953 BTC [+] {3}
01:37 cads Well like pageviews -> $s it's hard to quantify. It's a non-monetized time waste with leeches sucking at each juncture, so I'm not sure where to begin speculating on the profit
01:37 mircea_popescu it is "hard to quantify" ?
01:37 mircea_popescu what are you, in derp mode ?
01:37 mircea_popescu Hasbro Reports Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2013 Financial Results and Declares an Increase in Quarterly Dividend to $0.43 per Share
01:37 mircea_popescu 2013 full-year net revenues of $4.08 billion were flat with 2012 revenues of $4.09 billion;
01:38 cads we have to look at aqcuisitions of large media providers like youtube and tumblr
01:38 mircea_popescu 2013 full-year net earnings were $372.4 million
01:38 Namworld Advertising revenue is easy to quantify...
01:38 mircea_popescu so the owner made like 400mn total, and they sell a lot of crap other than this stale meme.
01:38 mircea_popescu let's call it 100mn generously and forget about it,
01:38 cads Namworld: but the advertising revenue from people sharing memes?
01:38 mircea_popescu it barely pays for a decent corporate jet.
01:39 mircea_popescu cads i just did.
01:41 cads mircea_popescu: my claim is that media distributors like youtube and facebook profit from hosting this unlicensed community created meme content, which is typically considered much more entertaining in itself than anything like the cartoons, dvds, or plushies made by the company.
01:42 jurov hahaha what wikipedia has to say: According to Margaret Loesch, CEO of The Hub, revisiting properties that had worked in the past was an important programming decision, influenced to an extent by the opinions of the network's programming executives, a number of whom were once fans of such shows.
01:42 jurov doubt these executives were female
01:43 mircea_popescu cads so you're saying that the owner's profits from the franchise are dwarfed by the various leeches' ?
01:44 mircea_popescu this proposition is frequently revisited but empirically always shown to be false.
01:44 mircea_popescu it has a lengthy tradition i nthe ip business.
01:49 jurov http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/14/oukoe-uk-romania-dolphins-idUKBREA1D1J920140214?
01:50 ozbot In election year, Romania debates giving human rights to dolphins
01:50 jurov and we have MP who lives off air and exchanges love with aliens, too :D
01:50 jurov and wants to be a president
01:50 cads I mean, youtube was acquired in 06 for 1.5 $bn of google stock. In the mean time google has grown to from 400 to 1200 a share. Suppose youtube grew proportionally with that and it's valued at $6bn. However youtube has grown far beyond what most people imagined. A 2012 boast from google values youtube at around $56bn.
01:53 cads I don't think it makes sense to pretend youtube does anything other than make money off of other people's (chumps) content
01:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21312 @ 0.00087124 = 18.5679 BTC [-] {2}
01:55 cads and it's also hard for nintendo to tell youtube that some 12 year old kids' world record playthrough of pokemon needs to funnel back some ad money to nintendo
01:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00087073 = 20.6363 BTC [-]
01:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.072 = 0.648 BTC [-]
01:57 cads I mean, stupid shit like this live actions reenactment that got umpteen million views and pays the living wages of some internet famous douchebags, while putting 80% of the revenue into the coffers of youtube.
01:58 cads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1h5TzdTq0o
01:58 ozbot POKEMON IN REAL LIFE - YouTube
02:06 cads The big social media aggregators - facebook, twitter, youtube, tumblr, basically make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives the corporation full rights to the content until it is deleted by the user.
02:07 cads So these billion dollar valuations are all due to the fact that people are too stupid to run distributed media channels or protest a bad contract clause and are willing to sit through advertisements.
02:09 jurov cads, where would you put a video you suspect may get mildly popular? on your adsl? pay for a webhosting?
02:10 cads if I was making a revenue stream the latter sounds ideal, but of course I understand that my revenue stream would be even _bigger_ if I syndicate my content with youtube.
02:11 cads their marginal cost is so much smaller than mine
02:11 cads to them they don't even notice if I get slashdotted. For me it might take me out of business for a day.
02:11 mircea_popescu cads so basically you'd like this to be worth a lot is what igather.
02:12 jurov also, i do run misc p2p stuff and even with 60mbit uplink on my home connection i get annoying dns resolving problems occassionally
02:12 cads not a lot, but enough to be worth studying
02:12 mircea_popescu maybe.
02:12 mircea_popescu you have a large number of mistaken assumptions baked in, tho.
02:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240 @ 0.00087152 = 0.2092 BTC [+]
02:13 mircea_popescu " make billions of market captilization / acquisitions, and all they do is hold onto content that users have put there willingly under a license that gives"
02:13 mircea_popescu there is absolutely no relation between the content bs and the acquisitions/mkt cap game.
02:13 mircea_popescu none.
02:13 mircea_popescu if one day btc-e pulls a vircurex and lists itself as an asset, and pumps the price like they do
02:14 mircea_popescu you going on about how the trollbox is worth thousands of btc because some scammer somewhere traded what he purpots to be 1% of some crap with himself at an implied valuation of fiddy billion
02:14 mircea_popescu would be equally ridiculous.
02:14 mircea_popescu the trollbox may have some value, but that value is not visible in how much doge goes for.
02:17 Mats_cd03 how important is having more nodes, exactly
02:17 Mats_cd03 is it measurable at all
02:18 mircea_popescu i suspect it's one of those things like wearing condoms
02:18 mircea_popescu one day we'll find out exactly how important it would have been
02:18 jurov Mats_cd03: for me it makes clear difference that my txs propagate nicely
02:18 jurov that's all i need to know
02:19 Mats_cd03 i wonder how much bandwidth the network consumes
02:20 Mats_cd03 i wouldnt mind running a node if i knew what i was contributing
02:20 mircea_popescu so run one, it helps.
02:20 mircea_popescu doesn't eat that much bw, kbps.
02:20 Mats_cd03 would 2tb/month be enough
02:20 mircea_popescu ;;calc 2000000 / 30 /24/3600
02:20 * jurov looks
02:20 gribble 0.771604938272
02:21 mircea_popescu definitely
02:21 mircea_popescu it doesn't do 771 kbps, it does something like 30
02:21 jurov up 46 days,TX packets 1728363356 bytes 1580097315893 (1.4 TiB)
02:22 Mats_cd03 ill start a droplet
02:22 cads blah I hate how easy hard math turns out to be after a couple years of study. That makes you feel like you were an idiot 2 years ago.
02:22 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1400000/46 / 30 / 24 / 3600
02:22 gribble 0.011741814278
02:22 jurov bitcoind does cause 10mbit+ spikes, if someone with ssd pulls the blockchain from me
02:22 cads And the difficulty of the math you're currently studying assures you feel like an idiot presently.
02:22 jurov but it averages out
02:23 mircea_popescu cads wut ?
02:23 Mats_cd03 i have $60 in digital ocean credit so its all good
02:25 cads mircea_popescu: math that kicked my ass 2 years ago is now super trivial, and yet the math that's kicking my ass today still seems tough
02:25 mircea_popescu how it goes hehe
02:26 cads I should just smartly recognize that it's just as trivial as the old math, and solve it just as easily in one stroke
02:26 cads but alas
02:27 mircea_popescu lol
02:27 mircea_popescu the girl you love today has but a cunt just like your ex
02:27 mircea_popescu you should smartly recognise they're just the same and be done with it
02:27 mircea_popescu but alas.
02:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00087012 = 6.2649 BTC [-] {2}
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02:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44544 @ 0.00086944 = 38.7283 BTC [-] {4}
02:44 MisterE LMAO: http://imgur.com/YwmzEck
02:47 cads hmm, a year ago reddit raised a million dollars an a 400 million dolar valuation
02:48 cads can you guys suggest a business model for reddit that would actually make money?
02:49 cads it already had 18 million in the bank
02:51 cads the reason they took the million is to open the business for buyin and input from silicon valley investors
02:52 cads when they were spun out in 2011 they started with 20 mil, and they have been operating the popular online social forum and news syndication site with a "very lean staff"
02:53 cads so they eat about a million of each year and there's really no way I can see for them to make money
02:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.002989 = 0.2092 BTC [+]
02:54 Duffer1 it will be interesting to see if they'll be able to unobtrusively monetize the site
02:55 cads the funny thing is they think they're going to be able to get non-shitty ideas from VCs with 5% buyins.
02:56 cads I dunno
02:56 cads what would you guys do?
02:57 cads jurov, mp? Duffer1, you're a reddit fan?
02:57 Duffer1 ya they've essentially said they're not creative enough to figure it out, so at least they recognized they need help
02:57 jurov do about what? monetizing reddit?
02:58 Duffer1 it has intrinsic flaws that make me not read the comments, but i still browse daily for headlines
02:58 cads "we spent half a mill on consultants alone so far and nothing. Time to bring in the leeches"
02:59 Duffer1 i don't believe that will end well for them, but i'm not creative enough to figure it out either so who am i to say
03:00 cads jurov: yeah, they need a business plan because right now they just give a fun free news platform for all
03:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.0008718 = 7.4539 BTC [+]
03:01 cads a reddit video news channel?
03:01 Duffer1 the comments are already weaponsgrade stupid, perhaps the us military will step up to fund the disinformation platform of the new century
03:02 Duffer1 reddit has infinite value to any organization looking to shape american perceptions
03:03 cads "we have the power to determine when trolls swarm a topic"
03:04 MisterE cads: some richpeople will step in and fund reddit
03:04 cads just a tiny parameter tweak in the voting mechanism
03:04 MisterE like they did BSD
03:04 MisterE reddit is going nowhere
03:04 MisterE just like wiki
03:04 cads independently rich tech types?
03:04 MisterE yea
03:04 cads that just love their reddit and coffee?
03:04 MisterE a Ellison or Bezos
03:04 MisterE an*
03:05 MisterE yea and becasue Swartz started it
03:05 MisterE reddit was a cliquey thing before it blew up and most were techies / libertarians
03:06 MisterE I wish someone would do a docu on reddit
03:07 cads On the plus side if it ever goes down nerds will just put it back up
03:08 MisterE ^ this too
03:08 MisterE like TPB it's well mirrored
03:11 cads haha, slashdot seems to be doing better
03:11 cads ish.
03:11 cads they started a tv channel a couple years ago, and were acquired for 20 mil by a holding company that same year.
03:13 cads apparently last october the company rolled out some interface changes that have incited the users into anger. The users "Slashcotted" slashdot this past week :P
03:16 MisterE yea we boycotted them all last week
03:16 MisterE I unsubbed from newsletter
03:16 MisterE etc.
03:16 MisterE getting most from Ars now
03:16 MisterE still /. fills a niche no one else does
03:17 MisterE their comment threading is shit and the beta made it much worse
03:17 MisterE community pushed back and CmdrTaco kept ramming it down our throats
03:17 cads ?
03:17 MisterE I think he learned his lesson he posted a mea culpa
03:18 MisterE sec I get linky
03:20 MisterE this kinda started it: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3322099
03:21 Diablo-D3 wait
03:21 Diablo-D3 people still read slashdot?
03:25 MisterE cads: the fuckers pulled it from the site
03:27 Diablo-D3 >community
03:27 Diablo-D3 >CmdrTaco
03:27 MisterE ty
03:27 Diablo-D3 srsly? you're going to pull that card?
03:28 Diablo-D3 what community, and thats always been his fucking site, no matter whos actually owned it
03:28 Diablo-D3 he does what he goddamned pleases
03:28 Diablo-D3 its why its been shit since day one
03:28 Diablo-D3 and I have a 5 digit slashdot UID, I fully well know what slashdot used to be
03:28 Diablo-D3 it hasnt changed
03:28 MisterE yea
03:29 MisterE I have a 5 digit uid too!
03:29 MisterE it's always been a somewhat benevolent dictatorship
03:30 Diablo-D3 slashdot is up to what, 8? 9? now?
03:30 Diablo-D3 does it even display UIDs anymore?
03:30 MisterE yes
03:30 MisterE 3 millionish
03:33 MisterE http://meta.slashdot.org/story/14/02/06/2329227/slashdot-tries-something-new-audience-responds
03:33 ozbot Slashdot Tries Something New; Audience Responds - Slashdot
03:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20326 @ 0.00086967 = 17.6769 BTC [-]
03:41 MisterE fuck them for taking down their mea culpa
03:41 * MisterE I'm a send him a can of Spotted Dick: http://www.amazon.com/Heinz-Spotted-Dick-Pudding-10-5oz/dp/B000LAYC6C
03:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49152 @ 0.00086907 = 42.7165 BTC [-]
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03:57 Vexual hi
03:59 Vexual r3wt was ere?
04:00 Vexual i think i can guess the mad genius that orchestrated that
04:01 jurov hi Vex, indeed
04:01 Vexual hey jurov, did i spell orchestrated incorrectly? ;)
04:01 jurov why?
04:02 Vexual jj you often seem to correct my spelling when im tipsy, which i like
04:04 jurov no you spelled that correctly afaik. i was referring to content, it was very lulzy
04:05 jurov within 5 minutes we have shown he doesn't know php or js
04:05 Vexual id like to speak to r3wt
04:07 jurov maybe he'll come back, he seems eager lo learn
04:07 MisterE why would someone claim they know php / js and don't?
04:07 MisterE like you can't fool people
04:09 benkay one can hop from scam to scam quite handily doing that for a while
04:09 benkay the internet is a biiiig place
04:09 Vexual and small
04:09 benkay some say
04:10 benkay cost of identity is still low
04:10 benkay we'll see how things change when that does
04:10 benkay in other news i offered a startup against whose api i'm working a deal on some documentation
04:11 benkay their poor devs were like "oh god yes save us from the documentation"
04:11 benkay (all unaware of my inability to correctly satoshize a bitcoin)
04:11 Vexual lol
04:11 benkay few days go by
04:12 benkay "hey dudes, here ams rate sheet, figure you only will be interested in 1/4 time"
04:12 benkay "OMG IP AND CORE COMPETENCIES AND ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG"
04:12 benkay *sigh*
04:12 benkay whatever happened to getting the job done?
04:12 Vexual yeah it's these managerial types
04:13 benkay it's hilarious
04:13 benkay their previous startup has burned through like 20M in capital, and isn't even dead yet
04:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00086902 = 30.4592 BTC [-] {2}
04:14 benkay bankruptcy walking, but the sharks are still just circling.
04:14 benkay praying for a successful pivot, i warrant.
04:17 Vexual you might like to try an alcohol habit, come back from lunch saying "hang on a darn tooter!"
04:17 Vexual not relly
04:20 benkay i kinda think fuck single page javascript apps
04:20 benkay but that's a damn hard line to hold in this consulting environment
04:21 benkay wait no hang on they're great in some applications
04:21 benkay argh engineering what even ams a tradeoff
04:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC
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05:07 moiety mowning all
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05:10 Diablo-D3 http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176676-graphene-nanoribbons-could-be-the-savior-of-moores-law
05:11 ozbot Graphene nanoribbons could be the savior of Moore’s Law | ExtremeTech
05:12 jurov what would you use 1e12 transistors for? you'd need to parallelize everything on order of 1e3
05:13 jurov that's really useful only for mining and such
05:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 443 @ 0.002989 = 1.3241 BTC [-]
05:25 Namworld Eh: http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/4957483+_e37a66eb929934ae4d40c3919b04641e.jpg
05:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.0055 = 1.375 BTC
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05:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 205 @ 0.002989 = 0.6127 BTC [-]
05:39 moiety hahaha
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08:58 davout Apocalyptic: encore une victoire pour canard
08:58 Apocalyptic heh
09:06 nubbins` absent cads: i had a tenant who was an adult male brony, also 80% sure he was a pedophile
09:07 nubbins` mircea_popescu: romania has dolphins?!
09:11 asciilifeform perhaps in soviet-era military delphinarium?
09:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24775 @ 0.00086451 = 21.4182 BTC [-]
09:12 asciilifeform (where the beasts were taught to fight with knives)
09:12 nubbins` oh, wait, romania borders the black sea, doesn't it
09:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [+]
09:12 nubbins` for some reason i pictured it as being landlocked
09:15 ThickAsThieves first Neo branch is built out: http://i.imgur.com/KrD2SlD.jpg
09:16 gx ThickAsThieves what's that?
09:16 gx looks sexy
09:17 nubbins` fancy
09:18 gx doesnt look like a lot of room for storage tho :P
09:18 gx haha
09:18 nubbins` why do people bother with masked hostnames on irc
09:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00086343 = 26.5936 BTC [-] {2}
09:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 305 @ 0.000845 = 0.2577 BTC [+]
09:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.072 = 1.44 BTC [+]
09:31 ThickAsThieves bitcoins dont take much space ;)
09:31 ThickAsThieves also note they occupy the 2nd and 3rd floor of that same building
09:31 gx what is neo?
09:32 gx i can only hope that someday our offices for coinigy are 1/2 as cool looking
09:32 ThickAsThieves a bitcoin un-bank
09:32 ThickAsThieves i never sorted out a perfect term for it
09:32 ThickAsThieves I suggest coining "finserv:
09:32 ThickAsThieves finserv
09:33 ThickAsThieves suggested*
09:33 ThickAsThieves ...coffee
09:33 ThickAsThieves casinobitcoin guy is mad at me now
09:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.072 = 0.792 BTC [+]
09:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002991 = 0.9661 BTC [+]
09:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00086246 = 13.4975 BTC [-]
09:40 nubbins` why's that, you held up a mirror?
09:41 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=472946.0
09:41 ozbot Need btc Donations for Kidney Transplant
09:41 nubbins` sounds legit
09:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 34 @ 0.058965 = 2.0048 BTC [-] {5}
09:42 ThickAsThieves pretty much
09:43 nubbins` best way to get people mad at ya
09:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00086475 = 22.8294 BTC [+] {2}
09:43 ThickAsThieves mpoe-pr made the mirror
09:43 ThickAsThieves i just said 'hey look'
09:43 nubbins` that's a thing she does, yep
09:44 nubbins` less entertaining than it once was. i think she's getting tired
09:44 ThickAsThieves i wrote him a respectful insightful reply
09:44 ThickAsThieves maybe he listens
09:44 ThickAsThieves i think she just needs better targets
09:44 ThickAsThieves with BTCT, etc gone
09:44 ThickAsThieves slim pickins
09:45 ThickAsThieves unless you wanna take CryptoStocks srsly
09:45 ThickAsThieves candy crush is gonna IPO, lol
09:45 nubbins` well, poking fun at tweedleherp and tweedlederp can onl... wait, really?
09:45 ThickAsThieves "better to burn out than to fade away"
09:46 nubbins` candy crush: the saga continues
09:46 ThickAsThieves http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/18/king-digital-in-ipo-filing-crushes-it-on-revenue-profit/?mod=WSJBlog
09:46 nubbins` they should get wu-tang to do them a theme song
09:46 ozbot King Digital, in IPO Filing, Crushes It on Revenue, Profit - MoneyBeat - WSJ
09:46 ThickAsThieves King Digital sounds like a rap name too
09:46 nubbins` nod
09:48 ThickAsThieves http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2014/02/18/50000-bitcoin/
09:48 ozbot Could there be a $50,000 bitcoin? - Term Sheet
09:49 ThickAsThieves another banker death http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/18/j-p-morgan-employee-falls-to-death-in-hong-kong/?mod=WSJBlog
09:50 ThickAsThieves "Police described that death as non-suspicious." lol
09:50 nubbins` http://live.wsj.com/video/faa-grounds-drone-beer-delivery-service/AF9F9299-F538-4892-AC37-A143AB85D523.html?mod=WSJ_article_outbrain&obref=obnetwork#!AF9F9299-F538-4892-AC37-A143AB85D523
09:50 nubbins` that's a large amount of url
09:51 ozbot Video - FAA Grounds Drone Beer Delivery Service - WSJ.com
09:51 nubbins` "police described the death as no big deal"
09:52 ThickAsThieves hmm there's a new WSJ Karpeles interview?
09:52 ThickAsThieves must find
09:54 ThickAsThieves http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304899704579388483531937144?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304899704579388483531937144.html
09:54 ozbot Mt. Gox Shows Bitcoin's Growing Pains - WSJ.com
09:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.002991 = 0.4157 BTC [+]
09:55 ThickAsThieves "In the email interview, Mr. Karpelès responded to questions about the company's solvency or protection for customers' funds by saying that the matter is confidential. "
09:55 ThickAsThieves i cant find said interview
09:56 nubbins` "i can't comment on whether or not we're insolvent, that's confidential"
09:59 ThickAsThieves lol
09:59 ThickAsThieves insane
10:00 ThickAsThieves CBTC guy declined my advice
10:00 ThickAsThieves oh well
10:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.097 = 0.582 BTC [-]
10:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
10:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0243001 = 0.486 BTC [-] {3}
10:11 ThickAsThieves in case anyone wants to light up a comment section: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10274/glass-boxes-bitcoin-investments-real-time-transparency/
10:11 ThickAsThieves the author: "Kent spent a decade in the trenches trading, researching, and writing about equities and options. A advocate for civil liberties and open information, he produces and performs cyberpunk music as SEVEN7HWAVE. Currently Kent oversees digital marketing for Pixorial - a disruptive video and photo sharing service."
10:13 nubbins` SEVEN7HWAVE
10:13 nubbins` fucking brutal
10:13 nubbins` THIR13EN GHOSTS
10:13 nubbins` SE7EN
10:13 nubbins` SU6K MY DI6K
10:14 nubbins` "a disruptive website"
10:14 nubbins` "cyberpunk"
10:14 ThickAsThieves disruptive tweets
10:14 nubbins` they forgot to mention that he's obviously an insufferable twat
10:14 ThickAsThieves you forgot to use decentralized
10:14 ThickAsThieves he
10:14 nubbins` boy, these photos and videos sure are disrupting me
10:15 nubbins` his music is disruptive
10:15 nubbins` MCing shows via wi-fi
10:15 nubbins` cybercloudpunk
10:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35819 @ 0.00086498 = 30.9827 BTC [+] {3}
10:20 gx can someone give me the lowdown on how MPEX works
10:20 gx is it something i can actually throw BTC in and trade on?
10:20 ThickAsThieves it is
10:20 gx oh, i see the faq now
10:20 kakobrekla check the missing manual
10:21 gx so i assume it's all api-based
10:22 kakobrekla i use it by hand
10:22 kakobrekla but i think im one of the few
10:23 gx ah, i see
10:23 gx this looks interesting
10:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 422 @ 0.00299201 = 1.2626 BTC [+] {2}
10:24 gx need a 30 btc minimum buy in?
10:24 kakobrekla or use coinbr.com
10:24 kakobrekla ;;google mpex missing manual
10:24 gribble MPEx Missing Manual : BitcoinStocks - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1x18vc/mpex_missing_manual/>; MPEx: The Missing Manual 6 - Options - serialized delusions: <http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-6-Options>; MPEx: The Missing Manual 5 - Account statements and transfers ...: <http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/07/MPEx%3A-The-Missing- (1 more message)
10:25 gx thx
10:26 kakobrekla bah, same thing as to mp happend to me
10:26 kakobrekla a safety check i coded long ago and forgotten about it - fuckin up my trades
10:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 577 @ 0.00018912 = 0.1091 BTC [-] {6}
10:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086997 = 10.6571 BTC [+] {2}
10:41 ThickAsThieves ok i commented: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10274/glass-boxes-bitcoin-investments-real-time-transparency/
10:48 TomServo ThickAsThieves: Quite insightful.
10:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.003 = 0.231 BTC [-]
10:49 CiPi www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww-dRBnr2Ak
10:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07344999 = 0.2203 BTC [+] {2}
10:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00087066 = 14.0612 BTC [+]
10:51 ThickAsThieves ty
10:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07345 = 1.1018 BTC [+]
10:53 ThickAsThieves lol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199141.0
10:53 ThickAsThieves this is stickied in the noobie forum
10:55 ThickAsThieves i'm finally eligible for "Hero" on the forums, but my activity is not high enough
10:55 ThickAsThieves yeesh
10:56 ThickAsThieves CBTC added all the unsold shares to the market so HL would display the cap "properly", not bad i guess, but now people have to worry whether they are sold on the sly
10:58 ThickAsThieves lol at the D1 http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/
11:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3478 @ 0.0008657 = 3.0109 BTC [-]
11:09 TomServo Wow. There is more than one person that labels their music "cyberpunk". dafuqever.
11:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22961 @ 0.00086302 = 19.8158 BTC [-]
11:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5449 @ 0.00086302 = 4.7026 BTC [-]
11:22 Jere_Jones Is there any way to reclaim my nick in WOT if I lost the key or am I just SOL? (yeah, I know I shouldn't have lost the key in the first place)
11:22 BingoBoingo Jere_Jones: Polite letter to the NSA?
11:23 Jere_Jones Think they could find my key for me? :)
11:25 ThickAsThieves did you register both key types?
11:26 ThickAsThieves and lose both?
11:27 Jere_Jones I only registered a gpg key.
11:27 kakobrekla even using one key to dispute another is a questionable practice
11:29 KRS-One its just best to post both keys to pastebin so you can get them any time
11:29 kakobrekla i think pastebins expire
11:30 mod6 dpaste
11:30 kakobrekla those too afaik
11:30 KRS-One wow i thought they had a perm option
11:30 Jere_Jones My options seem to be: 1) Dig through old hard drives in an almost futile effort to find the keys or 2) Establish a new nick
11:31 kakobrekla well how strong is your wot?
11:31 kakobrekla you can ask people who rated you to rate you again on the new handle if you can convince them so
11:31 Jere_Jones A single rating from 3 years ago.
11:31 ThickAsThieves lol
11:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.09992857 = 1.399 BTC [+] {2}
11:32 Jere_Jones It is the age of the nick that I would like to preserve and the nick itself because that it is what I use everywhere.
11:32 pankkake understandable
11:32 pankkake tip for next time: save a revocation key :)
11:33 Jere_Jones Also, don't lose the keys. At the time, I didn't see any real value in the wot and thus treated my keys as disposable.
11:33 Jere_Jones Shame on me.
11:34 jurov why don't just back up whole /home?
11:34 jurov gugabytes of cloud storage are cheap nowadays
11:35 Jere_Jones Of course, *now* I would do things differently.
11:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27169 @ 0.00086246 = 23.4322 BTC [-] {3}
11:36 jurov but you still aren't :D
11:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1031 @ 0.00086168 = 0.8884 BTC [-]
11:38 pankkake backup your gpg key to the cloud? lol
11:39 ThickAsThieves just name it niggers.conf
11:39 jurov why not? once protected by, say, duplicity passphrase, second time by gpg passphrase
11:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 740 @ 0.00020198 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {4}
11:39 jurov afaik gpg never saves unencrypted keys to disk
11:41 pankkake yeah, with strong enough passphrases you should be ok
11:42 pankkake my "cloud" (not really, dedicated servers with FDE!) backups are actually encrypted to my gpg key
11:48 jcpham i name my wallet backups porno.avi
11:48 kakobrekla you shouldnt be saying that in public
11:53 pankkake jcpham: people would want to look at porno.avi
11:54 pankkake mine is much more sneakier!
11:54 jcpham kakobrekla is it more or less deceptive if I just made that up
11:54 jcpham I'm not sure.
11:55 kakobrekla on right, in reality its under wallet.dat
11:55 * jcpham renames wallet backups to two_girls_one_cup.rm
11:55 jcpham because realmedia
11:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11174 @ 0.00086487 = 9.6641 BTC [+]
11:59 jcpham i lost all of my bitcoins to scams, anyways
11:59 jcpham labcoin IPO wiped me out
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52303333 = 1.5691 BTC [-] {2}
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.70014252 BTC to 2`116 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
11:59 mod6 O_O
11:59 pankkake save it for the tax man
11:59 jcpham sitting on 18k doge though
11:59 kakobrekla he is trolling ,i hope
11:59 jcpham excuse my 19k doge
12:00 jcpham it's a cautionary tale. all bitcoin investments are scams
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.523 = 2.092 BTC [-] {2}
12:00 jcpham except the ones that aren't
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]
12:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07345 = 1.5425 BTC [+]
12:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.063 = 0.252 BTC [-]
12:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0734 = 0.2202 BTC [-]
12:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00301 = 0.301 BTC [+]
12:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00301 = 0.301 BTC [+]
12:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0734125 = 0.2937 BTC [+] {2}
12:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00086371 = 15.59 BTC [-]
12:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.07345 = 1.9832 BTC [+]
12:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00086363 = 26.643 BTC [-] {2}
12:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00301 = 0.1505 BTC [+]
12:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00301 = 0.1505 BTC [+]
12:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
12:58 benkay good morning, assettes
13:00 ThickAsThieves ola
13:01 jurov ciao
13:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07345 = 0.3673 BTC [+]
13:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07345 = 1.2487 BTC [+]
13:08 deadweasel hey benkay
13:08 benkay sir
13:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 33 @ 0.09683331 = 3.1955 BTC [-] {6}
13:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07349996 = 0.2205 BTC [+]
13:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52100002 = 1.042 BTC [-]
13:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.09420665 = 2.8262 BTC [-] {3}
13:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.00511253 = 0.8078 BTC [+] {6}
13:10 benkay heh. "low cost bitcoin atm"
13:10 benkay this will end well
13:10 benkay !t h rent
13:10 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (577 shares, 3.17350000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (4623 shares, 25.42650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (33230 shares, 182.76500000 BTC)
13:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07349999 = 1.8375 BTC [+] {2}
13:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0735 = 1.2495 BTC [+]
13:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
13:17 ThickAsThieves http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/vh1-orders-naked-dating-series-680908
13:18 ozbot VH1 Orders 'Naked Dating' Series (Exclusive)
13:18 Diablo-D3 and reading just the headline
13:18 Diablo-D3 I bet its just dating that is without all the social rigamarole
13:18 Diablo-D3 instead of actually being naked
13:18 Diablo-D3 because if its actually naked naked... its on vh1, WHATS THE POINT
13:19 bones` black bars
13:19 bones` across the naughty bits
13:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.085 = 0.68 BTC [-]
13:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37426 @ 0.00086493 = 32.3709 BTC [+] {2}
13:20 Diablo-D3 yeah
13:20 Diablo-D3 whats the point of that
13:20 Diablo-D3 Ive seen boobs and vaginas of every shape and size
13:21 Diablo-D3 little tits, big tits, massive tits that have smaller tits orbiting around them
13:21 bones` To protect the children who live on a remote rural area with no access to internet who still have yet to see "little tits, big tits, massive tits that have smaller tits orbiting around them"
13:21 Diablo-D3 they should show it in school, to be honest
13:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123 @ 0.00086571 = 0.1065 BTC [+]
13:21 Diablo-D3 some sort of internet education course
13:22 Diablo-D3 actually, it could be part of sex ed
13:22 bones` 8 year olds have smartphones, they are looking at it sans the education part
13:22 Diablo-D3 introducing kids to various kinky behaviors
13:23 Diablo-D3 and teaching them its healthy to have a kink, and yadda yadda yadda condoms, safe words, etc
13:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
13:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07371428 = 1.548 BTC [+] {2}
13:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.000845 = 0.1437 BTC [+]
13:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00086571 = 14.8036 BTC [+]
13:36 mircea_popescu The European Union’s Directorate-General for Internal Policies Riccardo Ribera d’Alcala who authored the plan wrote, “The use of stigmatizing labels should be ended, and the pejorative term ‘bankruptcy’ should be replaced with the more neutral ‘debt adjustment.’”
13:37 mircea_popescu the pejorative term for a thief should also be replaced with the less neutral ribera d'alcala.
13:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002989 = 0.2989 BTC [-] {2}
13:37 mircea_popescu ;;later tell nubbins` exactly as asciilifeform sez.
13:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:37 Chris_Sabian_ when does Neo go live?
13:38 ThickAsThieves Feb 24th
13:39 mircea_popescu ;;later tell cads reddit will definitely make money from doge tips.
13:39 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:40 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/civQQne.gif
13:40 deadweasel Diablo-D3: www.discovery.com/tv-shows/naked-and-afraid << no point, just naked idiots with their bushes, in the bush.
13:40 deadweasel naked sells ads, moar naked!
13:41 ThickAsThieves "US intelligence whistleblower Edward Snowden is elected to post of student rector at Glasgow University."
13:41 mircea_popescu haha
13:43 mircea_popescu ;;later tell duffer1 it's unclear you can do much shaping, specifically because of the weapons grade idiots. basically your choices will be whether you want them to spell stupid with a b or p, d or t. otherwise... stubid is stupit.
13:43 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:43 mircea_popescu that inception moment when you realise reading through the assets log is the most fun thing you've done all day.
13:43 mircea_popescu fucking biznis.
13:44 ThickAsThieves Secretary Kerry warns climate change is a 'weapon of mass destruction'
13:44 mircea_popescu ;;later tell cads: "they started a tv channel a couple years ago, and were acquired for 20 mil by a holding company that same year." i think you don't fully appreciate the impact of tax optimization on all these deals.
13:44 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:45 mircea_popescu that fucktard seriously was running for president at some point huh.
13:45 ThickAsThieves yep
13:46 mircea_popescu so much of us history is incredible in retrospect.
13:46 mircea_popescu "wait, they went into vietnam ? and then did what ?"
13:46 mircea_popescu has a certain italian quality to it.
13:46 ThickAsThieves must be all the pizza
13:47 mircea_popescu ;;later tell misterE you musta misclicked something, i see it ?
13:47 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:47 mircea_popescu jurov more like "we watched while he showed us"
13:49 mircea_popescu benkay omg ip and what ? pls to translate ty.
13:50 benkay mircea_popescu: intellectual property
13:50 mircea_popescu that i know.
13:50 mircea_popescu whatg i don't know is what the whole sentence's supposed to mean
13:50 mircea_popescu gx what's a coinigy.
13:51 benkay it's a satire of an overwrought technical manager
13:51 benkay "I am concerned about retaining rights to my intellectual property and building an engineering team that can document its own work. Plus lots of emotions."
13:51 mircea_popescu so you offered to do documentation for them, and on rehash you offered to work 2 hour days
13:51 mircea_popescu oh oh oh.
13:51 benkay ?
13:51 benkay no
13:51 mircea_popescu clearly i lack the relevant experience.
13:52 mircea_popescu 1/4 time is not= 2 hour days ?
13:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 34 @ 0.00301008 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {3}
13:52 benkay no, it's 10 hr weeks
13:52 mircea_popescu ...
13:52 mircea_popescu 5 day weeks right ? :D
13:52 benkay topologically the same thing
13:52 mircea_popescu clearly we have a substantial differend here :D
13:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
13:53 benkay fractional days are a bad practice
13:53 benkay a) clients think in hours instead of projects
13:53 benkay b) it's really hard to get shit done in fractional days
13:54 benkay fractional weeks however let me shift work around as necessary to get the big six-hour blocks in which we're productive
13:54 mircea_popescu following from b), c) you stay employed 4ever.
13:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06849998 = 0.137 BTC [+] {2}
13:55 benkay yeah employment
13:55 benkay major life goal
13:55 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves where do you find all the btc posers fucking hell
13:55 mircea_popescu you're like the grand master of it by now.
13:56 mircea_popescu kakobrekla we are now fuckbrothers, as we have been fucked up by the same thing!
13:57 kakobrekla hehe
13:57 ThickAsThieves not hard to find posers on btcmag
13:57 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones no. there is no way to reclaim anything once you lose keys. never ever EVER lose any keys ever.
13:57 mircea_popescu lose your right eye instead.
13:57 mircea_popescu those are redundant.
13:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
13:58 ThickAsThieves bitcoin foundation is looking for board members
13:58 benkay i'm looking for your sister
13:59 ThickAsThieves good luck
13:59 benkay heard she sucks a mean dick
13:59 mircea_popescu aww why so testosterony
13:59 mircea_popescu o look that rhymes with brony
13:59 benkay testosterbrony!
13:59 benkay look you win fast types again
14:00 * mircea_popescu dances
14:00 mircea_popescu i shall comission a special hat to commemorate the occasion
14:00 benkay nubbins` will paint you in your fancy hat
14:00 ThickAsThieves i just slaughtered a bunch of ants, the vegan gods will not be happy
14:00 mircea_popescu upon the poofball shall be inscribed a logo aimed to represent fast typin'.
14:00 benkay it's like dwarf fortress
14:01 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i think the vegan dogs only care for you not to eat mammals.
14:01 mircea_popescu otherwise you know, yeasts, ants, all fine.
14:01 benkay "he is wearing a masterfully wrought cap with a poofball made of cave spider silk"
14:01 benkay "on the poofball is an icon representing his fast typing victory over benkay"
14:01 benkay mircea_popescu you gotta fuck with dwarf fortress
14:01 mircea_popescu over benkay THE OGRE
14:01 benkay right benkay the legendary ogre of vampire slaying
14:01 benkay "benkay's head is cowed"
14:02 mircea_popescu no, benkay the diminutive ogrelet of having been sick in his childhood
14:02 benkay the generative art and history of dwarf fortress is ridiculous
14:02 mircea_popescu he has one butterfly wing coming out of his shoulderblade
14:02 benkay HA
14:02 benkay more like the vicious midget - only american raised in violence since 1920
14:03 mircea_popescu i wonder if anyone ever stepped on their own beard.
14:03 ThickAsThieves i do when i shave
14:03 benkay you can eat noodles out of a beard: http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/34671172198311e380cd22000a9f18de_7.jpg
14:04 mircea_popescu jurov: afaik gpg never saves unencrypted keys to disk << indeed. it's not made by the power rangers, not using qt, etc.
14:04 mircea_popescu incredible how people 20 years ago could like... you know, program computers.
14:04 mircea_popescu WITH THEIR HANDS
14:04 benkay "these are your fathers parentheses"
14:05 mircea_popescu ahahaha
14:05 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1634622/plain/)
14:05 mircea_popescu !b 5
14:07 mircea_popescu "tysat, if you believe they are pump and dumps, seriously who do you think is behind it? mtgox? the btc elites? honestly, if someone is pumping and dumping in an organised way, as a means of screwing new investors then the entire alt community should hunt them down"
14:07 mircea_popescu le derp.
14:08 mircea_popescu the entire alt community couldn't burn down one of my pubes if someone lent them a stair and matches.
14:08 ThickAsThieves pubes of steel
14:08 pankkake the entire alt community wouldn't exist without pump and dumps
14:09 benkay "community"
14:09 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=471876.msg5213248#msg5213248
14:09 ozbot CrazyRabbi abusing Trust-System
14:09 mircea_popescu "save yer herebys"
14:09 mircea_popescu lmao
14:09 mircea_popescu pankkake or pubes.
14:09 pankkake scammers and beggars are a community
14:09 pankkake do they have pubes?
14:10 ThickAsThieves more than most probly
14:10 mircea_popescu they are a community. in 1800s bucharest there was a place called "podul calicilor", which pretty much means "the bridge of the scammer and beggar comunity".
14:10 mircea_popescu this was the local equiv of pont neuf
14:11 ThickAsThieves "So if I buy some shares in NeoBee from havelock now will I get more dividends than if I buy the shares after the 23rd of Feb?"
14:11 ThickAsThieves sigh
14:11 Jere_Jones Speaking of scams, I have always thought, and the dictionary agrees with me, that a scam was defined by dishonesty. BingoBoingo made a comment that a scame is defined by "not paying". Whether not paying is due to malice, incompetince, or a natural disaster is irrelevant.
14:12 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones this revolves around the concept of meaningful difference.
14:12 mircea_popescu because it is impossible to establish malice at all, a difference predicated upon establishing malice is meaningless.
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14:12 ThickAsThieves maybe not irrelevant, but possibly indistiguisable
14:12 mircea_popescu also "incompetence"
14:12 ThickAsThieves sp
14:12 ThickAsThieves lol
14:12 mircea_popescu indistinguishable.
14:13 mircea_popescu ima start charging in altcoins for this service.
14:13 ThickAsThieves hey i asked for no service, what are you a government?
14:13 mircea_popescu zing
14:13 Jere_Jones So "scam" is used, not as an attack on one's character, but as a characterization of their trustability?
14:13 mircea_popescu i shall now charge myself for self-zinging commentary a 5 atc tax.
14:14 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones no, it's an attack on their character.
14:14 mircea_popescu there not existing any malice anyway, their character === their trustability.
14:14 mircea_popescu plus it's easier to spell than trustabillyhilly
14:15 TomServo not the === again!
14:15 Jere_Jones Incompetence is something that everyone starts out with.
14:15 mircea_popescu and speaking of magical php, any language out there which isn't served enough by 3 and has 4 or more ?
14:15 ThickAsThieves you mena ignorance?
14:15 Jere_Jones "Sucking at something is the first step to being kinda good at something."
14:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00086507 = 19.7236 BTC [-]
14:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.07398787 = 2.4416 BTC [+] {2}
14:15 mircea_popescu im really looking forward to clauses like if i ==== j then else if i === j then else if i == j then else if i = j then.
14:15 Jere_Jones Ignorance leads to incompetence.
14:16 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones nobody forces you to act blind.
14:16 mircea_popescu learn first, act after.
14:16 mircea_popescu what, everyone gets a banker certificate with their birth certificate now ?
14:16 ThickAsThieves ignorance also leads to competance, soooo
14:16 pankkake mircea_popescu: some programmers check twice, or allocate a variable twice, to be sure. I'm not kidding.
14:16 bones` "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice".
14:17 mircea_popescu pankkake i think that may be leftover from the old days of cobol horror.
14:17 deadweasel ThickAsThieves: not so, see USG
14:17 mircea_popescu bones` i think that's also comutative.
14:17 pankkake well, the ones I've seen do it were fresh out of school
14:17 ThickAsThieves not quite my point deadweasel
14:17 mircea_popescu "any sufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from turpid stupidity"
14:17 ThickAsThieves just saying no one (but mp) is born a knowitall
14:17 bones` So good at being bad it must be a mistake?
14:18 mircea_popescu bones` yup.
14:18 deadweasel ThickAsThieves: i'm just saying that the ignorance itself doesn't lead to comptence
14:18 deadweasel or spelling
14:18 mircea_popescu most of the high ticket scammers are going for that angle.
14:18 mircea_popescu deadweasel you aware of the neoplatonist loophole you got there right ?
14:19 deadweasel i'm aware of rabbit hole I stuck my head it here, but not the formal proposition of it.
14:19 deadweasel please, help!
14:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.074 = 1.554 BTC [+]
14:19 mircea_popescu if not ignorance, then what ? if not hunger leads you to sate, then what ?
14:19 deadweasel death
14:20 deadweasel you don't eat you die, happens all the time.
14:20 deadweasel not sated
14:20 mircea_popescu but death is not of this world.
14:20 mircea_popescu for once death is, you are no longer, and while you still are, death is not.
14:20 deadweasel depends on who I am
14:20 deadweasel and if I really know what the truth of that is.
14:20 ThickAsThieves so that means we will all live forever!
14:21 ThickAsThieves until we dont
14:21 deadweasel now we're deep in the rabbit hole.
14:21 mircea_popescu doesn't depend on anything, if it isn't it couldn't possibly cause.
14:21 mircea_popescu because!
14:21 mircea_popescu that which is is, and necessarily is, whereas that which is not is not
14:21 deadweasel What if 'I' is not only the body/mind, what if there is a consciousness beyond this.
14:21 mircea_popescu and necessarily is not.
14:21 ThickAsThieves death causes us to value life more, no?
14:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.000202 = 0.303 BTC [-] {3}
14:21 mircea_popescu even so. no presumption as to your body or mind was made.
14:21 deadweasel i'm just saying since we don't know the final outcome, assuming it ends at death is a big jump.
14:22 mircea_popescu the greeks disagree :D
14:22 deadweasel as they disagreed with their peers.
14:22 mircea_popescu and /me beams at having injected into conversation like the oldest remaining text as well as various other classical bits
14:22 mircea_popescu AND NOBODY KNEW
14:22 ThickAsThieves who cares what Zeus thinks
14:22 * deadweasel did way too much introspection this weekend.... or just enough?....
14:23 Jere_Jones Seems to me that being incompetent is a transitional phase that must be passed through. The key is to minimize outside exposure to my incompetence while I work through it?
14:23 ThickAsThieves incompetance is imposed
14:23 ThickAsThieves not assumed
14:24 ThickAsThieves it requires a context
14:24 Jere_Jones A label that must be applied by a third party?
14:24 Jere_Jones That doesn't seem right.
14:24 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones why not ?
14:25 Jere_Jones Why can't I say "I am not competent to create X. I must improve."?
14:25 mircea_popescu omg look at this, there's no anaxagoras on teh english web
14:25 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones you can, surely.
14:25 mircea_popescu but what if you lack the metacognitive capabilities to see this ?
14:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29269 @ 0.00086507 = 25.3197 BTC [-]
14:26 Jere_Jones The more time I spend in here, the more I realize that I know exactly squat.
14:26 ThickAsThieves just make shit up, it works for me
14:26 ThickAsThieves :)
14:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#506092 point in case
14:26 deadweasel Jere_Jones: you're doing it right then
14:26 mircea_popescu what does he do now ?
14:27 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
14:27 mircea_popescu in fact, empirically, if you think you're not competent enough to create x you must improve you have ~50-50 odds to actually be competent enough.
14:27 * deadweasel 's parser broke
14:27 mircea_popescu whereas if you think you're competent enough to create x and need no improvement you have ~50-50 odds to actually be competent enough.
14:27 deadweasel ah, i see now
14:27 mircea_popescu deadweasel quotation marks to be supplied by the parser.
14:28 Jere_Jones My opinion of my own competence is irrelevant to my actual competence?
14:28 deadweasel 
14:28 bones` Jere_Jones, reducing the number of unknown unknowns is a good thing, but takes time
14:28 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones pretty much.
14:28 Jere_Jones Well... fuck
14:28 deadweasel Jere_Jones: it's best to always think you're totally incompetent, until you are the expert in a field.
14:28 mircea_popescu welcome to the splendid world of thought.
14:28 deadweasel then it's still best.
14:28 ThickAsThieves although it's typically more fruitful to assume you are wrong than right
14:29 ThickAsThieves maybe fruitful is the wrong word
14:29 ThickAsThieves prudent
14:29 deadweasel then, when you act, and fail, you'll be well ready to know exactly where and how you failed.
14:29 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves never quote me on this or i'll kill you, but, the only reason this hjolds true is because us nuttery about "encouraging" people and so on and so forth. in other cultures the opposite holds true.
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14:29 ThickAsThieves !b 1
14:29 Jere_Jones lol
14:30 ThickAsThieves :)
14:30 bones` Welp yer ded
14:30 * ThickAsThieves dies
14:30 * deadweasel weeps
14:30 deadweasel so... like, was that it, or is there something after dead?
14:30 * mircea_popescu dirges
14:30 deadweasel death*
14:30 deadweasel brain-death, in my case.
14:31 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/embed/N5-thpEU-MQ
14:31 ozbot Olympia Brass Band - funeral dirge - YouTube
14:31 ThickAsThieves here's how i see it
14:31 ThickAsThieves being alive *is* "heaven"
14:31 ThickAsThieves the rest is being a chaotic pool of particles
14:32 mircea_popescu btw asciilifeform since oyu liked eminescu, here : http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/fulger.php afaik the best elegy in all poetry of THE WORLD
14:32 bones` Trying to find utility in delaying your progress for an afterlife is hard for me
14:32 deadweasel your heaven sounds lame. I'd like not to administer ALTCOIN in heaven.
14:32 Jere_Jones If I believe that I am incompetent, I won't act until I believe that I am, at least minimally, competent. Always thinking that I am totally incompetent would lead to paralysis. At some point I have to open up the editor and lay code down or I am useless.
14:32 ThickAsThieves it's heaven, you can do whatever you want man
14:32 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones this is where community becomes important.
14:33 mircea_popescu everyone is incompetent, and will fail.
14:33 mircea_popescu do fail in such a manner as to advance the common truths
14:33 mircea_popescu rather than as to repeat the history of common mistakes.
14:33 ThickAsThieves jere-jones, if that's how you feel, read some Coelho
14:33 * Jere_Jones bawls "BUT I DON'T WANNA FAIL!"
14:33 mircea_popescu fuck you.
14:33 deadweasel i see what you did there, ThickAsThieves, and I agree.
14:33 bones` blah blah Edison, 1000 ways a lightbulb doesn't work
14:33 bones` Just try to fail with satoshis instead of tens of BTC
14:34 mircea_popescu bones` this sounds smart but it is really just a moving of the trash under the rug
14:34 Apocalyptic or with ATC
14:34 ThickAsThieves “There is only one thing that makes a dream impossible to achieve: the fear of failure.”
14:34 mircea_popescu his point re paralysis remains unscathed.
14:35 deadweasel knowing where that point is, I think, is a skill derived from failing continously up until that point.
14:35 bones` Getting passed that first failure helps
14:35 mircea_popescu no argument.
14:35 deadweasel the jumping off point, for idiots, is as soon as they have an idea.
14:35 mircea_popescu well... "idea".
14:35 deadweasel exaclty
14:35 mircea_popescu "hei guise, wouldn't it be cool if ketchup and mustard came in the same bottle ?"
14:36 deadweasel Mustchup!
14:36 deadweasel my favorite brand!
14:36 mircea_popescu I WILL IPO MY MUSTCHUP IDEA NAOP
14:36 ThickAsThieves ketard
14:36 mircea_popescu ahahahaha
14:36 deadweasel lol1
14:36 mircea_popescu ketard mustchup!
14:36 deadweasel omg, i must have this.
14:36 * deadweasel mixes his mustard and ketchup bottles
14:36 ThickAsThieves wait this must exist alrdy
14:36 Jere_Jones It would speed up the hot dog line.
14:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00086363 = 26.168 BTC [-]
14:37 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones except if people want different proportions.
14:37 Jere_Jones You can already buy peanut butter and jelly mixed together.
14:37 ThickAsThieves i can tell you that mixing sriracha and ketchup is pretty good
14:37 mircea_popescu then you'll have to have 500 mixed bottles and people will argue over which was used.
14:38 mircea_popescu actually this company could come up for its first product
14:38 mircea_popescu with the selzer-salsa.
14:38 Jere_Jones http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/p/paulocoelh404735.html
14:38 ThickAsThieves lol the coelho is spreading!
14:39 mircea_popescu Herp. Derp. Dumbletum trumblemum.
14:39 ThickAsThieves since i cant even tell my jokes from my seriouses, i wanna note that coelho is retarded
14:39 mircea_popescu "and so am i"
14:39 ThickAsThieves :)
14:39 mircea_popescu lol
14:40 ThickAsThieves he's okay for inspiring pussies i guess
14:40 ThickAsThieves or sating them at least
14:40 mircea_popescu or bedding them
14:40 ThickAsThieves inspirational! would do again!
14:41 mircea_popescu aspie-rational.
14:41 ThickAsThieves assburger's that could be the name for the ketard sriratchup company
14:41 deadweasel working with aspies on a regular basis, I find that hilarious.
14:42 deadweasel sure, leave out mustchup, TATTIES.
14:42 deadweasel cutting me out already
14:42 deadweasel before the mustard is even mixed!
14:42 deadweasel :P
14:42 mircea_popescu yeah. S.ASS. Assburger, inc. An aspie-rational food product company, and MORE.
14:43 mod6 mmm. assburgers.
14:43 ThickAsThieves yer too incompetant for this!
14:43 deadweasel it's true
14:43 ThickAsThieves e
14:43 ThickAsThieves e===a, a=e
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14:44 ThickAsThieves now i know my PHPs!
14:44 mircea_popescu "Having just gone through this from the other side of the fence I thought I would share some perspective. The reality is no successful startup founder wants hundreds or thousands of investors. Contrary to the silly games you see on "crypto exchanges" with startups issuing billions of shares to thousands of investors no founder wants that. Less is better when it comes to investors because it means less overhead and m
14:44 mircea_popescu ore time spent on the business."
14:44 mircea_popescu yet somehow dt magically doesn't understand what (one of) the appeal of mpex is.
14:45 ThickAsThieves that statement doesnt even state anything imo
14:45 deadweasel ycombinated minds... again, get yer phraseology outta my brain, mp!
14:45 ThickAsThieves all money is green, right?
14:45 ThickAsThieves :)
14:46 benkay shit apples still taste like shit
14:46 mircea_popescu it's this incredible brainrot people in the us and over 30 have to fight with.
14:47 mircea_popescu basically it's, if you're under 30 you're too stupid to do much anyway. if you're over 30 and us you're too stupid to ever recover
14:47 mircea_popescu or w/e, by the time you manage to brush off all the idiocy you're 50 and ready to retire.
14:47 benkay it's a shame that y combinator is now understood to be a shitty us gambling operation
14:47 mircea_popescu never before has a whole culture been so thoroughly discriminated against by the forces of reality.
14:50 ThickAsThieves where's that quote from?
14:50 deadweasel original
14:50 ThickAsThieves i can't google it
14:50 deadweasel sounds like
14:51 mircea_popescu dt discussing the safello thing with gweedo, who thinks he is an investor.
14:51 mircea_popescu Swedish bitcoin exchange Safello has secured a $600,000 investment that it hopes will push it into the wider European market. The exchange, which launched its service last August, can now count bitcoin luminaries Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver among its investors.
14:51 mircea_popescu Safello, which also saw Blockchain.info CEO Nicolas Cary invest, is currently revamping its website, and promises a range of new services in the coming months.
14:51 mircea_popescu Aside from the amount invested, this investment round is also notable for the number of investors involved. The firm lists 15 in its statement announcing the deal, which would mean an average of $40,000 each (although the investment is likely to be unevenly spread).
14:51 mircea_popescu i really enjoy reading teh forums these days.
14:51 mircea_popescu "look, fifteen people put in fifty bitcoin each! THIS IS HUGE NEWS!!!1"
14:51 ThickAsThieves what a horrible name
14:51 ThickAsThieves like Othello, but Safe?
14:51 mircea_popescu eh they suck at naming things what can i say.
14:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.062604 = 0.313 BTC [-] {4}
14:52 ThickAsThieves Safello, the Geek Tradegy
14:54 ThickAsThieves does anyone even use coinapult?
14:54 ThickAsThieves "nascent" this word is getting old
14:55 mircea_popescu i tried to give them a domain for free back in 2012
14:55 mircea_popescu they never actually managed to collect
14:55 mircea_popescu i dun remember if i even bothered extending it or what happened in the end.
14:56 mircea_popescu and now for something completely different : any interest in a potential S.POT, which'd be a company dedicated to acquiring a florida pot growing license ?
14:57 ThickAsThieves hmm
14:57 ThickAsThieves does that exist?
14:57 pankkake https://cryptostocks.com/securities/63
14:58 ThickAsThieves FL pot license
14:58 mircea_popescu speculatively.
14:58 mircea_popescu mp lobbies.
14:58 mircea_popescu when mp lobbies, shit happens.
14:59 ThickAsThieves i'm a supporter of legalization, but i think we're barely getting medical for cancer patients on the ballot this year
14:59 ThickAsThieves either way, i'd invest
15:00 kakobrekla s.pot will make the grounds for s.laughing
15:00 mircea_popescu >D
15:01 ThickAsThieves where does cannabit operate anyway?
15:01 pankkake you mean s.laughter
15:01 pankkake I'm waiting for s.lut myself
15:02 pankkake ThickAsThieves: I think "it's a secret" - forums are down so can't check
15:02 deadweasel Florida, home of the DEA.
15:02 KRS-One aint that the truth
15:03 mod6 why florida?
15:03 ThickAsThieves Sunshine State!
15:03 ThickAsThieves old people
15:03 ThickAsThieves tourism
15:03 KRS-One florida was ground zero for the 'pill mill' thing where addicts went dr. shopping for any dr. who would prescribe pain killers then they'd resell them
15:04 KRS-One funny you can still drive around and still see abandoned store fronts that were once 'pain clinics'
15:04 KRS-One I wonder how many doctors are sitting in prison right now who once had it all.
15:04 mod6 well, you can get a lic for co or wa today iirc.
15:04 ThickAsThieves now all i see is Vape shops
15:04 mod6 just grow indoor.
15:04 KRS-One Anyone besides me here in FL?
15:04 mircea_popescu mod6 lots of old people,
15:04 deadweasel KRS-One, if they had it all, they wouldn't be selling pill illegally?
15:04 mircea_popescu and home of the dea.
15:04 ThickAsThieves all these people putting god knows what into themselves with offbrand ecig flavorings
15:05 mod6 ahh.
15:05 ThickAsThieves i'm in FL
15:05 ThickAsThieves i dont want to be, but i am
15:05 ThickAsThieves fukn wife just landed a better job too...
15:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00086454 = 11.0661 BTC [+]
15:05 KRS-One ThickAsThieves same here..sucks for I.T. I'm in south FL, aka little "New York"
15:05 mircea_popescu buncha old jewish princesses ?
15:05 deadweasel JAPs
15:06 KRS-One mircea_popescu: you bet
15:06 mircea_popescu pankkake so you're in paris, make me something i can call s.lut
15:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00086497 = 27.679 BTC [+] {3}
15:06 pankkake what's the relation with paris?
15:06 KRS-One deadweasel: the doctors were giving out big time prescriptions and billing insurance for medical services. Typical caselod was probably 150%-200% of what it should have been without the unnecessary prescriptions.
15:07 pankkake oh, lutèce ? :)
15:07 mircea_popescu pankkake isn't that where the s lol
15:07 ThickAsThieves french gaming company, call it Lüt
15:07 mircea_popescu where the sluts live ? intl capital of sluttery ?
15:07 pankkake meh
15:07 pankkake more bitches than sluts
15:07 mircea_popescu s.bit doesn't have the same bite to it.
15:07 KRS-One Boca Raton FL is like little "New York" and jewish american princesses abound.
15:08 ThickAsThieves Leisure Under the Table
15:08 mircea_popescu del boca vista raton, florida.
15:08 KRS-One Some are quite hawt.
15:08 KRS-One del boca what lol
15:08 KRS-One There is Del Rey Beach
15:08 ThickAsThieves we have a Treasure Island too
15:08 KRS-One yeh those are typical names
15:09 KRS-One ThickAsThieves where is Treasure Island?
15:09 ThickAsThieves maybe good place for S.POT
15:09 ThickAsThieves off cost of Tampa
15:09 ThickAsThieves coast
15:09 KRS-One oh cool
15:09 KRS-One http://www.mytreasureisland.org/
15:09 kakobrekla pankkake its called a laughing stock, not a laughter stock.
15:09 KRS-One I've been to Tampa, party town. Girls were nuts there.
15:09 ozbot Welcome to City of Treasure Island, Florida
15:10 mircea_popescu we already had K.S.Laughter anyway
15:10 KRS-One I dont like the west coast..the gulf is a sesspool.
15:10 pankkake kakobrekla: but, slaughter
15:10 kakobrekla FU
15:10 kakobrekla ..rate -500
15:11 mircea_popescu for the people who actually understand graphs and math shit like that, herbi, cads, etc :
15:11 kakobrekla o look a zillion dorra forum is down
15:11 mircea_popescu what'd be the likely effect on the wot if the ratings were free up to maxint ?
15:11 mircea_popescu obv the sum total would just be w/e modulo maxint
15:12 deadweasel KRS-One: The gulf is a cesspool, yes. but it's MY cesspool ^_^
15:12 KRS-One haha you too?
15:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9668 @ 0.00086571 = 8.3697 BTC [+]
15:13 deadweasel raised in S.Texas. Oooh, i like th sound of that. S.Texas
15:13 KRS-One East coast, Atlantic = Best beaches until you get to Sebastian, Daytona
15:13 KRS-One Did you see much from the oil disaster there
15:13 ThickAsThieves so the US residents active in this channel are majority floridian? that can't be
15:13 deadweasel mississipi river dumps all the farmers gobshite into the gulf. death ensues.
15:13 KRS-One thats right, sesspool
15:13 deadweasel i'm NNE states
15:13 deadweasel now
15:14 mircea_popescu it's like california, florida and new york
15:14 mircea_popescu you know, where money and broadband lives.
15:14 KRS-One mircea_popescu: there sure isnt any I.T. here in Florida..I've got to get my ass to California at some point.
15:14 deadweasel and we're overrun by brown people.
15:14 deadweasel whom we LOVE.
15:15 deadweasel because yards don't clip themselves
15:15 * deadweasel censors self
15:15 davout hello
15:15 ThickAsThieves my lawn guy is white
15:15 KRS-One my guy is mexican and i dont know how he gets it all done so fast
15:15 * Jere_Jones is catching up
15:16 mircea_popescu KRS-One ask the wife ? :D
15:16 * Jere_Jones is in Florida as well
15:16 KRS-One LMAO!!!
15:16 deadweasel haha
15:16 ThickAsThieves lol
15:16 KRS-One As long as he keeps the bushes trimmed =D
15:16 deadweasel my mom had a tennis coach for a while, pretty sure they were fucking
15:16 deadweasel but maybe not, who knows
15:16 ThickAsThieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y9mnx/yes_its_official_ben_lawsky_has_agreed_to_the/
15:16 mircea_popescu i knew there was some bush comedy-value-add in there somewhere.
15:16 KRS-One deadweasel: The important thing is that she was happy. As long as our parents are happy right?
15:17 ThickAsThieves mp did he acknowl your twet?
15:17 deadweasel yup, agreeed
15:17 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i didn't look lessee
15:17 deadweasel they are still happy
15:17 ozbot Yes, it's official, Ben Lawsky has agreed to the Reddit AMA : Bitcoin
15:17 mircea_popescu Someone who curses in public is strongly signaling 1) substance, 2) no hypocrisy, 3) freedom of opinion... But he is not necessarily right.
15:17 mircea_popescu whoa check out mr taleb
15:17 mircea_popescu i really like that guy more and more wtf.
15:18 davout black swan is supposedely an awesome read
15:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00086336 = 24.3468 BTC [-] {3}
15:18 ThickAsThieves lawsky likes his supernintendo meme
15:19 mircea_popescu davout factually.
15:19 kakobrekla what meme
15:19 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves see you made me go on twitter now im spending mah bitcoins,
15:19 mircea_popescu you'll be the poverty of me.
15:19 davout worth being ordered? so be it
15:19 ThickAsThieves "Andreas discusses the value of decentralization IN ALL THINGS." oh noes
15:19 mircea_popescu definitely.
15:20 mircea_popescu anyway, no, the lawsky fellow is still wallowing in his own irrelevance.
15:20 ThickAsThieves he'll be bitcoin jesus next week
15:21 mircea_popescu lmao now this is a good bitbet :
15:21 mircea_popescu first us official to be arrested over bitcoin stuff.
15:23 davout ThickAsThieves: not sure if good or new bruce wagner
15:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 79 @ 0.0055 = 0.4345 BTC
15:24 ThickAsThieves i think lawsky actually loves bitcoin
15:25 ThickAsThieves and is just trying to do his job
15:25 kakobrekla like nsa loves privacy
15:25 ThickAsThieves while a funny juxtapos, no
15:26 kakobrekla he did express some feelings re dogecoin though.
15:27 ThickAsThieves his job is probably impossible though
15:27 ThickAsThieves to mate his world and bitcoin's
15:27 ThickAsThieves regardless of his bias
15:28 ThickAsThieves http://jezebel.com/meet-the-woman-who-straight-up-rocks-a-beard-1525265585?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
15:28 ozbot Meet the Woman Who Straight-Up Rocks a Beard
15:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07496329 = 0.8246 BTC [+] {3}
15:31 deadweasel beardo
15:33 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves possibly.
15:33 mircea_popescu is jezebel the dyke site ?
15:34 mircea_popescu "Starting at 11, her polycystic ovary syndrome made her hair growth really dramatic, the Huffington Post reports. She tried shaving, bleaching, waxing twice a week but nothing quite worked. In school, she was bullied, called names like "beardo" and "she-male," because people seem to think it's okay to act like a complete fucking monster."
15:34 mircea_popescu and... it isn't ?
15:35 kakobrekla im sorry but lotsa hair does not imply 'shemale', noobs.
15:35 mircea_popescu a beard ?!
15:35 mircea_popescu dude, everyone i know *in that way* is shaved down there.
15:35 davout kakobrekla doesn't get fooled into sex that easily
15:35 kakobrekla lol
15:36 mircea_popescu lmao
15:36 ThickAsThieves can you electrolysis the face?
15:37 ThickAsThieves ha i didnt even know this existed: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/
15:37 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves basically your role in the atc ecosystem is to be hijacked
15:37 mircea_popescu you're the HJO.
15:38 mircea_popescu " tells you everything about the dev who I will guess could care less about how is coin appears to us miners.
15:38 mircea_popescu which ill add without us miners the coin is nothing ... devs need to sell us, show us its worth out hardware, time, n electric
15:38 mircea_popescu otherwise ... he can sit at home and solo mine every coin himself. "
15:38 mircea_popescu teh miners tell it like it is yo! lol
15:38 ThickAsThieves hehe
15:39 ThickAsThieves they wanna be pitched
15:39 ThickAsThieves maybe i'll go in there waiving bounties around
15:39 ThickAsThieves no one takes me up on them anyway
15:39 mircea_popescu lol splendid way to end up alt-bankrupt
15:40 Apocalyptic https://www.newaltex.com/ another cc exchange sigh
15:40 ozbot Newaltex - MINT/BTC Market
15:40 mircea_popescu "totally agree. What dev will do for a sample, if chain will have some bug and he still not got profit to pay real developer for fix?"
15:40 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic there will be ~5k of these.
15:41 Apocalyptic mircea, yeah it's the new trend, everyone got to make one
15:41 mircea_popescu "At present we experience difficulties with the e-mail server. The pool is transferred to a mode of service and will be postponed for other hosting."
15:41 pankkake want to lol? read https://cryptorush.in/index.php?p=faq
15:41 mircea_popescu none of these people are english native speakers are they.
15:41 pankkake also, they have the fake altcoin
15:42 mircea_popescu Please check out https://www.newaltex.com/ ALT/BTC pair added ready for some trading. Its a fairly new site but growing daily. Really cool dev too.
15:42 mircea_popescu o the same one hehe
15:42 Apocalyptic yeah got the link from there
15:42 mircea_popescu off of it's users
15:43 Apocalyptic thay have over600 ATCs on asks
15:43 mircea_popescu The trade engine will trade only with orders that match your desired trade rate. This means that if you submit an order with a rate of .10, it will only match with other orders with a rate of .10, not .12 or .08. There is no dynamic rate calculation present right now in the Crypto Rush trade engine.
15:43 mircea_popescu this sounds like it shgou;d partner with that clickclick guy
15:43 mircea_popescu We are sorry for causing any inconvenience with this method. Please keep this in mind while trading, and that it's not a bug but still being worked on while Crypto Rush is in Beta.
15:44 mircea_popescu Wallets are stored separate from the site, we backup often. We built from the ground up with security in mind
15:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 198 @ 0.0008455 = 0.1674 BTC [+]
15:44 pankkake cryptorush also has negative balances
15:45 ThickAsThieves wait is ALT=ATC?
15:45 ThickAsThieves at newaltex
15:45 pankkake no
15:45 ThickAsThieves oh
15:45 mircea_popescu o look #cryptorush
15:45 mircea_popescu they have a webirc embed on the page.
15:46 dub cryptocrush?
15:46 * dub invents next big thing
15:46 Apocalyptic cryptorush claims to have : Total BTC volume:2,800.36597993
15:47 mircea_popescu http://linkandzelda.com/ << this is the owner
15:47 ozbot Linkandzelda's Projects | The Home Of Everything I Do
15:47 ThickAsThieves http://bbs.wabigong.com/thread-835-1-1.html
15:47 mircea_popescu we know it to be so because his homepage has an irc which also embeds webirc the same way
15:47 mircea_popescu he has a hosting whitelabel, a pokemon community...
15:47 mircea_popescu this dude either is usagi
15:48 mircea_popescu or else should have usagi's babies.
15:49 pLambert I got a coinbase phishing email today. It was very convincing.
15:50 davout a phishing e-mail pretending to be a legitimate scam company, heh
15:51 mircea_popescu lol
15:51 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1634938/plain/)
15:51 kakobrekla !b 3
15:51 mircea_popescu so im currently tryign to buy facebook followers from the cryptotard in his irc channel
15:51 mircea_popescu curious what comes of this. there's ~150 people there but nobody says anything
15:52 kakobrekla mircea_popescu can you auth plox?
15:52 kakobrekla first s.pot, now buying facebook shits
15:52 mircea_popescu aite.
15:52 mircea_popescu lol
15:52 kakobrekla i dont belive it.
15:52 mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu
15:52 gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
15:52 mircea_popescu shit i forgot my key guise!!1
15:52 mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e8184214a3f62d741e64b684dad0a7e561d3314ad57e8ff10c9a4b60
15:52 gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
15:53 kakobrekla dammit, its real.
15:53 mircea_popescu anyway kakobrekla you just don't understand the range of my interests!
15:53 mircea_popescu but srsly nao : the guy that made a lolexchange which only matches exact price
15:53 mircea_popescu also runs a "buy twitter followers" and "generate fake testimonials" site
15:54 davout even localbitcoins has a better engine...
15:55 mircea_popescu this is pretty epic shit.
15:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 292 @ 0.00301 = 0.8789 BTC [+]
15:55 Apocalyptic ^
15:55 Apocalyptic although you have to admit it's better than r3wt's one
15:55 mircea_popescu meanwhile they're also sending spam emails, because their servers got blacklisted
15:56 mircea_popescu and so are having a meltdown in their own chan
15:56 Apocalyptic heh
15:56 mircea_popescu <Devianttwo> iscrawler: I checked our email system 5 minutes ago
15:56 mircea_popescu <Devianttwo> we have send 2 k emails in 24 hours.
15:56 mircea_popescu robert keith cristopher jr.
15:57 Jere_Jones Shoulda used ses to send out emails
15:57 mircea_popescu https://www.resume.com/devianttwo
15:57 ozbot Robert Keith Christopher JR's Resume
15:57 mircea_popescu I am applying to be a full-time employee at this location. Before moving to Lake City, FL; I worked as a cashier and many jobs in Ocean Springs, MS. This includes 2 years at KFC/Long John Silver as there head cashier. After moving here to Lake City, FL I worked as a DirecTV Technical Support agent at Sitel. I worked there for about a year before moving on to Walmart in Lake City, FL. I worked at Walmart for about a yea
15:57 mircea_popescu r and I then moved on to work for the Census (US Goverment) for about 1 month. Once I finished with that; I worked as a call agent from home which included taking orders for multiple different companies. I also helped run a company called FragCorner.net which was a game server hosting company for 5 years. I believe that my exceptional customer service record is one of my key qualities that I can bring to you're store.
15:57 mircea_popescu omfg this shit is epic.
15:57 Apocalyptic dude he's an expert cashier
15:58 mircea_popescu this is going on trilema.
15:58 kakobrekla to you are store?
15:58 kakobrekla who is store?
15:58 mircea_popescu too good typefaction.
15:58 ThickAsThieves who is this guy?
15:58 ThickAsThieves i missed something
15:58 mircea_popescu so read log
15:59 ThickAsThieves i thought i did, it's r3wt?
15:59 Apocalyptic cryptorush's admin
15:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07999799 = 0.16 BTC [+]
15:59 Apocalyptic well, one of them
15:59 mircea_popescu i dunno r3wt has anything to do with it
16:01 Apocalyptic <Devianttwo> which it looks like they are...
16:01 Apocalyptic <Devianttwo> for the love of god who broke them now...
16:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00020749 = 1.6599 BTC [+] {5}
16:01 Apocalyptic mircea stop breaking dem mails
16:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 520 @ 0.00020769 = 0.108 BTC [+] {3}
16:03 Jere_Jones Their order matching engine must be completely whack.
16:04 mircea_popescu fellow americans : is "Youth Challenge Program" some special for-tards thing over there ?
16:04 davout it's not an engine, it's probably an == or an === operator
16:04 Jere_Jones I know, right
16:04 mircea_popescu davout an operator ~==== an engine
16:04 davout mircea_popescu: lol
16:04 Jere_Jones oooo 4 ='s
16:05 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones omg noob. ~= is an operator and === is another operator.
16:05 davout it's the "no-seriously-i-mean-it" PHP equality operator
16:05 mircea_popescu their power combined ~=> engine
16:06 Jere_Jones like C++'s toward operator?
16:06 nicknock hey guys, do you know where I can still find tradable gox derivs? plus500 removed it and btc.sx is out of reserves.
16:06 Jere_Jones while (c --> 0) { // do shit }
16:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1220 @ 0.00020989 = 0.2561 BTC [+] {3}
16:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52100002 = 1.563 BTC [-]
16:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00086271 = 20.36 BTC [-]
16:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07502525 = 0.3001 BTC [+] {3}
16:12 ThickAsThieves lol get this
16:12 ThickAsThieves Asked why the company hadn't addressed customers' concern sooner, Mr. Karpelès responded in an email interview with The Wall Street Journal on Monday: "I assume you refer to the malleability issue. We sincerely apologize for this incident; however, please understand that we are NOT the developers of Bitcoin." He added, "We are very surprised that anyone could fault MtGox instead of
16:12 ThickAsThieves the bitcoin software."
16:13 mircea_popescu nicknock sorry what ?!
16:14 ThickAsThieves he wants to fuck with cheap goxcoins i think
16:14 ThickAsThieves "fuck with" in the hiphop sense
16:14 nicknock mp :) i'd like to place some leveraged bets on the goxbtc / goxusd rate.
16:15 nicknock heh, if i'd have the stash to "fuck with" it, i'd likely have lost it already
16:17 ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4
16:17 ThickAsThieves Ukraine's capital streamed live as police threaten crackdown
16:17 ozbot Espreso TV - LIVE - YouTube
16:20 nicknock how are the mpex fiat futures settled?
16:21 davout nicknock: delivery
16:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 47 @ 0.02420002 = 1.1374 BTC [-] {3}
16:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 26 @ 0.05800001 = 1.508 BTC [-] {4}
16:21 davout nicknock: it's in the contract
16:22 jurov nicknock: http://explo.yt/post/2013/12/16/All-about-X.EUR-future-on-MPEx
16:22 nicknock thx
16:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.077 = 0.154 BTC [-]
16:30 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/robert-keith-cristopher-jr-matt-sartain-kristian-thomson-cryptorush-much-comedy-lulzgoldmine/
16:30 ozbot Robert Keith Cristopher, Jr ; Matt Sartain ; Kristian Thomson ; Cryptorush : much comedy & lulzgoldm
16:30 Jere_Jones Woohoo!! Time to use my credits!
16:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07699912 = 0.308 BTC [+] {4}
16:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.07887488 = 0.631 BTC [+] {5}
16:33 nicknock TaT: i'm thinking of transferring some asicminer from 796 to havelock. never transferred shares before, any caveats to think of?
16:35 mircea_popescu and special thanks to pankkake
16:35 mircea_popescu also logs if anyone conceivably wants them http://dpaste.com/1635097/
16:36 ThickAsThieves nicknock, i never worked with 796, you;ll need to convert to direct shares first
16:36 ThickAsThieves otherwise, instructions are in the description
16:39 Jere_Jones "I would be lost without Trilema. It's exactly what I've been looking for."
16:39 Jere_Jones - Petrina U. (via http://testimonial-generator.com/index.php)
16:39 Jere_Jones lol
16:40 nicknock TaT: ok thanks
16:40 mircea_popescu lolz
16:40 mircea_popescu Petrina Urina ?
16:40 Jere_Jones Sure. Why not?
16:41 mircea_popescu he could at least have gone the whole distance and made he names funny.
16:41 mircea_popescu Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd
16:41 mircea_popescu Desdemona Safello
16:41 Jere_Jones Then you'd have the real Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd saying "I never said that!
16:41 mircea_popescu Cuntess Ersatz-Szerbet of Elderberry
16:41 Jere_Jones Can't have that.
16:42 pankkake hahaha I love the last one
16:43 mircea_popescu sorta sounds like erzsi bathory
16:43 mircea_popescu jurovs' dreamgal
16:43 jurov yup
16:44 jurov have you seen the recent slovak film about her?
16:44 jurov she's very charming
16:44 mircea_popescu i haven't, no.
16:44 mircea_popescu lots of nudity and pubescent gore ?
16:44 jurov http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469640/
16:44 ozbot Bathory: Countess of Blood (2008) - IMDb
16:45 mircea_popescu is it any good ? 6.0 doesn't promise
16:45 jurov some hints.. but it's never clear
16:46 jurov it's just weird as everyhinng from that director
16:46 mircea_popescu “I also like to help people setup multiple things”
16:46 mircea_popescu …such as the bomb.
16:46 mircea_popescu ahahaha
16:47 mircea_popescu i wonder how many actual nuts that end up shooting people COULD in fact be detected by reading facebook pages.
16:48 jurov they can, but only if they are in love
16:50 Jere_Jones mircea_popescu Maybe add a part at the end of your latest post about not being a tard. "Steer clear of all tards. Don't be a tard. That is all."
16:50 mircea_popescu how is a tard not going to be a tard ?
16:50 mircea_popescu i mean i don't mind telling people what to do, but i'm kind-of partial to telling them to do that which can be done.
16:50 Jere_Jones By recognizing that one is a tard? Isn't that the first step to nontardism?
16:50 mircea_popescu you're slow, you're slow. what are you going to do ?
16:51 mircea_popescu move out of the fast lane and enjoy the view.
16:51 mircea_popescu everyone ends up in the same place anyway.
16:52 Jere_Jones I think I may be a tard. I am certain that I was a tard. I don't want to be a tard in the future.
16:52 mircea_popescu dude get out of here. what was your resume like at 30 ?
16:53 Jere_Jones I have never written a resume, but if I had, it would have been dominated by Aviation Electronics Technician, US Navy.
16:53 mircea_popescu right.
16:53 Jere_Jones Every job I've ever had has been via word of mouth.
16:53 mircea_popescu this one is dominated by stocking shelves.
16:53 Jere_Jones That *was* funny.
16:53 ThickAsThieves this is my tard, there are many tards like it, but this one is mine
16:54 mircea_popescu so you know, doing stupid shit is one thing, being a tard is a different thing.
16:54 Jere_Jones My resume at 18 would have been dominated by KFC. He sounds like a kid.
16:55 Jere_Jones KFC and construction. Ah... the days of no responsibilities. Just touching breasts, thighs and legs...
16:55 Jere_Jones Speaking of responsibilities. Back to them. Thanks for the laughs. I needed them.
16:56 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones the ged was in 2001.
16:56 mircea_popescu 2001 you hear me /
16:57 Jere_Jones Damn. Being generous would put him at 14 at the time. That would make him 27-ish now?
16:57 Jere_Jones Being realistic, he was 18 at the time so he's past 30 now.
16:58 Jere_Jones That's a long time to work dead-end jobs.
16:59 mircea_popescu time don't flow equally fast for everybody.
17:01 jurov mircea_popescu i have a hunch you may like this: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1xpaie/nsas_operation_orchestra_undermining_crypto/
17:01 jurov how NSA leveraged failed startups tards and the like
17:03 mircea_popescu "I agree with his final point. We've done the technical approach. It was a good effort, but if the theorising (I'm assuming that a lot of this is theorising?) is true, we can't build our way out of this problem. We have to shut down organisations and programmes like this by bringing them to the light of day, and the only approach to that is political."
17:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC
17:03 mircea_popescu which brings us to why we're here.
17:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27983 @ 0.00086271 = 24.1412 BTC [-]
17:05 jurov i'd recommend it to acsiilifeform, too but no rectothermals are involved
17:06 mircea_popescu lol
17:06 mircea_popescu why so mean. so the guy likes his plugs warm.
17:07 mircea_popescu The stated mission of the Youth Challenge Program is "to intervene in and reclaim the lives of at-risk youth to produce program graduates with the values, skills, education and self-discipline necessary to succeed as adults."
17:07 mircea_popescu til/
17:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC
17:07 mircea_popescu The program accepts 16-18 year old male and female high school dropouts who are drug-free and not in trouble with the law.
17:11 jurov as i'm watching this, got very strong suspicion about doge
17:11 jurov anyone with me?
17:12 xeroblaze0 suspicion about what
17:13 jurov just watch the orchestra video
17:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
17:15 CiPi http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26240149
17:15 ozbot BBC News - Big bitcoin exchange 'fixes' trading glitch
17:16 ThickAsThieves fixed but not fixed
17:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24762 @ 0.0008635 = 21.382 BTC [+] {3}
17:16 ThickAsThieves BBC i'm disappoint
17:17 jcpham mtgox has fixed bitcoin hoorah!
17:17 mircea_popescu jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475326
17:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37257 @ 0.00086271 = 32.142 BTC [-]
17:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07302727 = 0.8033 BTC [-] {3}
17:17 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves gotta make fiddy bux somehow. to buy al lthe memes
17:19 ThickAsThieves http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/02/18/wisguard182way_enl-c775ad7775e59ef4f0365eef17415c32a0a7c96b.jpg
17:19 mircea_popescu uh
17:19 jurov mircea_popescu: yes, but i enjoy how clearly it's laid out there
17:20 mircea_popescu i enjoy even more how little it did.
17:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0008648 = 8.9074 BTC [+]
17:24 KRS-One Here's my recent fav
17:24 KRS-One http://i.imgur.com/pU2lyce.jpg
17:25 KRS-One Does Magical Tux enjoy Coffee or is it Dessert?
17:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC
17:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC
17:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1183 @ 0.00021259 = 0.2515 BTC [+]
17:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 694 @ 0.00021259 = 0.1475 BTC [+] {2}
17:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.003025 = 0.2783 BTC [+]
17:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00302185 = 0.4805 BTC [-] {2}
17:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06250006 = 0.125 BTC [-] {2}
17:34 ThickAsThieves "Herbalife Ltd. reported fourth-quarter profits ... that exceeded analysts’ expectations. The results marked the 20th straight quarter the nutritional supplement maker’s profit figures have exceeded Wall Street’s estimates" ...this world...
17:35 KRS-One that shit is still going?
17:36 nicknock New investors born daily!
17:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0770003 = 0.539 BTC [-] {4}
17:53 mircea_popescu strong 3rd world sales, no doubt.
17:54 mircea_popescu every romanian chick that's not starving while pretending to be working in pr is starving pretending to sell hebalife, avon and whatnot.
17:54 mircea_popescu maybe one in ten has the sense (or really, the looks) to actually do something worthwhile with her time.
18:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00086172 = 25.4207 BTC [-] {3}
18:02 ThickAsThieves http://graphics.cs.msu.ru/en/node/1181
18:02 ozbot Our condolenses to parents of Mikhail Sindeyev | Graphics and Media Lab
18:02 ThickAsThieves "thecoder behind Namecoin-QT and main dev of Huntercoin has passed away suddenly, aged 27 from a stroke"
18:02 mircea_popescu wow.
18:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34308 @ 0.00085718 = 29.4081 BTC [-] {2}
18:08 the20year2 As a quick FYI for RENT investors, we are persuing two individual properties currently.
18:08 deadweasel http://graphics.cs.msu.ru/en/node/1181
18:09 deadweasel oh shit, sorry
18:09 ozbot Our condolenses to parents of Mikhail Sindeyev | Graphics and Media Lab
18:13 cazalla young for a stroke esp deadly one
18:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36802 @ 0.0008648 = 31.8264 BTC [+]
18:22 arij hello
18:23 CiPi http://www.bloomberg.com/video/ebay-paypal-most-successful-together-donahoe-says-M8oKQ3F5Q3SBdIrbWSnzcw.html
18:23 ozbot EBay, PayPal Most Successful Together, Donahoe Says: Video - Bloomberg
18:23 arij what was that bitcoin prediction website?
18:23 arij bit something?
18:23 arij nvm, found it
18:25 xeroblaze0 link
18:25 xeroblaze0 ?
18:27 the20year2 ANyone have any short term estimates on BTC price, like for the week?
18:27 xeroblaze0 good luck with that
18:27 xeroblaze0 thursday will mess everything up
18:27 the20year2 What's thursday?
18:28 jcpham over 9000 by then
18:29 xeroblaze0 another gox announcement
18:29 jcpham dogecoin support coming to mtgox in just shy of 2 weeks time
18:30 the20year2 i was thinking thursday was their announcement if they'd resume withdrawl/deposits
18:31 TomServo i was thinking maybe seppuku
18:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1376 @ 0.00086489 = 1.1901 BTC [+] {2}
18:51 ThickAsThieves from that Ebay vid: ""You can use digital currencies in the paypal digital wallet, that's in fact what PayPal is doing is building a digital wallet that can take multiple types of currencies." - John Donahue, CEO of eBay."
18:52 ThickAsThieves quoted imediately after he was asked how paypal could compete with bitcoin
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19:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00086784 = 2.0828 BTC [+]
19:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00302845 = 0.1514 BTC [+]
19:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00302852 = 0.1242 BTC [+]
19:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 106 @ 0.00504974 = 0.5353 BTC [-] {4}
19:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00501 = 0.2555 BTC [-] {2}
19:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 1.875 BTC [-]
19:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00086784 = 8.852 BTC [+]
19:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20645 @ 0.00086814 = 17.9228 BTC [+] {2}
19:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0242 = 0.2178 BTC [-]
20:02 asciilifeform jurov: i saw that thing (and, if i recall, posted it here) when it came out.
20:02 asciilifeform it's a spoof (if that wasn't clear)
20:02 asciilifeform but the facts are, well... factual.
20:06 asciilifeform (re: 'orchestra.')
20:08 nubbins` ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: S.POT, canada is outlawing personal growing for medical marijuana patients in april, and the entire system will move over to private growers. legal at federal level. country full of world-renowned growers. number of licensed users expected to grow tenfold over next decade. nice business to have established when across-the-board legalization eventually comes around.
20:08 nubbins` A+++++++++++ WOULD INVEST IN :0
20:08 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:11 WillTablet Gotta get me some altcoin invested in that
20:23 cazalla anyone else wagering robot wins vs human in ping pong
20:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7905 @ 0.00086784 = 6.8603 BTC [-]
20:26 BingoBoingo cazalla: Where?
20:27 cazalla http://bitbet.us/bet/760/kuka-table-tennis-robot-to-beat-human/
20:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: 'The Death of Fulger': http://flibusta.net/b/268651/read#r73
20:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interesting how there is never a translation (of whatever quality) to english
20:32 asciilifeform poor english.
20:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00086759 = 6.5937 BTC [-] {2}
20:40 decimation have any of you looked at 'pynode'
20:40 decimation it's a python bitcoin network client
20:41 decimation https://github.com/jgarzik/pynode
20:41 decimation also for the lolz: http://cnsmaryland.org/2014/02/18/officials-boost-maryland-cybersecurity-center/
20:45 BingoBoingo http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/02/18/chinas-swelling-soldiers-too-big-for-tanks/?mod=e2tw
20:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00086738 = 8.8473 BTC [-]
21:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.52100001 = 7.294 BTC [-] {3}
21:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.52 = 5.72 BTC [-] {2}
21:04 BingoBoingo http://swimsuit.si.com/swimsuit/models/kate-upton/zero-g-photos/1
21:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7569 @ 0.00086738 = 6.5652 BTC [-]
21:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50712001 = 2.5356 BTC [-] {3}
21:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50586 = 2.5293 BTC [-] {3}
21:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC
21:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4056 @ 0.00086561 = 3.5109 BTC [-]
21:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3044 @ 0.00086561 = 2.6349 BTC [-]
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21:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7465 @ 0.00086513 = 6.4582 BTC [-]
21:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00086562 = 7.3145 BTC [+] {2}
22:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
22:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.0030323 = 0.2668 BTC [+] {2}
22:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11327 @ 0.00086742 = 9.8253 BTC [+] {2}
22:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00503001 = 0.1962 BTC [-]
22:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 1.875 BTC [-]
22:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08499962 = 0.85 BTC [+] {4}
22:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.08499999 = 1.02 BTC [+] {4}
22:23 mircea_popescu interesting nubbins`
22:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14588 @ 0.0008676 = 12.6565 BTC [+] {2}
22:23 mircea_popescu i dunno, i guess i must be an old arse, everyone i heard was very excited for some reason.
22:24 mircea_popescu i guess the people that got the licenses in colorado made out ok.
22:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00086423 = 5.6175 BTC [-]
22:25 mircea_popescu lol so paypal wants to compete with bitcoin by making... yet another webwallet.
22:25 mircea_popescu derp.
22:26 the20year will it take bitcoin?
22:26 mircea_popescu course their webwallet would have an exchange built in, which by now they're probably testing and which nobody will be either to compete with or outlaw.
22:26 KRS-One .bait
22:26 the20year will be interesting
22:26 mircea_popescu so i guess there goes the market for man-and-his-dreams exchanges.
22:26 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/83c8281cb0e39de3abd8523cefd588dc/tumblr_mvt4swF7ox1r1of71o1_1280.jpg
22:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 73 @ 0.003 = 0.219 BTC [-] {2}
22:33 BingoBoingo I don't know if Paypal can make the jump from holding nothing of value on their servers to holding numbers of extreme value.
22:33 the20year Correct
22:34 the20year i think it could be good for worldwide acceptance, but won't displace many
22:34 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo they hold ccs
22:35 mircea_popescu this, prior to bitcoin was the most valuable and only valuable thing to keep on a server.
22:36 mircea_popescu anyway, they of any sense'll treat their investments in coinbase/whatever exchange as having terms of 1 year tops.
22:38 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You wrote before on the subject of stolen credentials like credit card numbers making a poor currency due to their short lifespan.
22:38 mircea_popescu this is true.
22:38 mircea_popescu but you are telling me that bitstamp has better ops and it security than paypal ?
22:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6552 @ 0.00086848 = 5.6903 BTC [+]
22:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.07499997 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2}
22:40 kakobrekla i know the answer to that!!
22:40 mircea_popescu lol i was thinking, "and after you're done telling me go tell kako"
22:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.07499997 = 0.45 BTC [-] {4}
22:41 mircea_popescu anyway, the greater strategic implication here is that given my lukewarm at best interest in the fiat side,
22:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.07499997 = 0.225 BTC [-]
22:42 mircea_popescu and given the horridly ineptitude of the tech people + the horridly dishonest ineptitude of the "business" people involved in the "market" let's call it for lack of a better term of interfacing bitcoin and fiats
22:42 mircea_popescu we are losing control over the thing.
22:42 mircea_popescu after paypal offers transparent exchanging into and from bitcoin to anyone with a paypal account we won't even KNOW what the exchange rate is anymore.
22:42 mircea_popescu not that we necessarily care, but it is the first actual loss in the field.
22:44 chetty It will be whatever paypal is giving +30% (their fee)
22:44 mircea_popescu basically what they do now, if you move usd to eur or w/e
22:44 mircea_popescu they charge whatever they want and that's that.
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00086848 = 1.3461 BTC [+]
22:45 BingoBoingo I'm leaning towards supposing all BTC/fiat interface operations come with finite lifespans.
22:46 mircea_popescu people said this of paypal originally.
22:46 mircea_popescu but it's been stabe for 20 years.
22:46 kakobrekla well everything in this fuckin universe comes with a finite lifespan
22:46 mircea_popescu kakobrekla you know wells fargo was originally a stagecoach company ?
22:46 mircea_popescu cca 1800
22:47 kakobrekla so ?
22:47 BingoBoingo Some things are more finite than others.
22:47 kakobrekla depends on the amount of '='
22:47 mircea_popescu ahahaha
22:47 mircea_popescu "your code does not have a large enough amount of ="
22:48 mircea_popescu CHECK UR PRIVILEGDE!
22:48 BingoBoingo Things like matter and form have less finitude
22:51 nubbins` http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/01/17/medical-marijuana-production-in-canada-set-for-dramatic-change/
22:51 ozbot Medical marijuana production in Canada set for dramatic change | National Post
22:54 asciilifeform and then THC-secreting genmod tomato is introduced, and people forget the idiot political crap.
22:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14246 @ 0.00086848 = 12.3724 BTC [+] {2}
22:54 nubbins` it's not so much the THC itself as it is all the other cannabinoids
22:54 nubbins` plain ol' THC pills have been around for ages and never really gained much traction
22:55 asciilifeform doesn't have to be an exact replica. only equally fun. and not readily visually detectable.
22:55 nubbins` "Health Canada estimates that by 2024, the 'legal marijuana supply industry' may have annual revenues of $1.3-billion."
22:55 nubbins` eating a tomato will never be equally as enjoyable as smoking a joint :D
22:56 BingoBoingo Well there were K2 and the other products from Asian and pacific pharmaceutical manufacterer's after hours production
22:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
22:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.0030323 = 0.2881 BTC [+]
22:58 nubbins` “Health Canada had valid concerns” about the authorized license applications they were receiving last year, says Mr. Kennedy. Many displayed a “lack of sophistication” about the medical marijuana industry, or had a “lack of capital,” he says. The department “was concerned about the ability of new licence holders to meet demand.”
22:58 nubbins` k2 etc is for idiots
22:58 decimation ]
22:59 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Was... was for idiots.
22:59 asciilifeform the point was not that diddled tomatoes in particular will replace smokable delights, but that the idiocy of prohibition could be technologically finessed
22:59 nubbins` ah, even better then
22:59 asciilifeform if someone saw fit to do so.
23:03 decimation ascii did you see the maryland "cyber center" link?
23:04 asciilifeform old news
23:04 asciilifeform it's yet another idiot funnel for the public treasury (incl. grants) into the pockets of 'seekoority' hucksters.
23:05 decimation I feel bad for the youth who will be swindled into giving their flower to rank idiocy
23:06 decimation also: steve sailor makes the point that marygeewanna is 'good smoke' - need to remind people that it can start fires too: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/02/good-smoking-v-bad-smoking.html
23:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.06374998 = 0.51 BTC [-] {3}
23:07 decimation "Smoking tobacco is losing so it seems reasonable to ban smoking it even in your own car while driving through a brushfire zone. Smoking marijuana is winning, so it doesn't seem like the ban on smoking in Laurel Canyon applies to dope."
23:09 decimation It seems to me that there would be some value in having a multicast stream of blockchain updates
23:09 decimation it's so sad that multicast is broken for almost everyone
23:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.06349999 = 0.1905 BTC [-]
23:09 nubbins` meh. in the early days of canada's national parks, they had to put signs up reminding people not to toss lit cigarettes or tap pipe bowls onto the ground
23:09 nubbins` the simpler explanation is "people are idiots and need explicit signage" rather than "good smoke / bad smoke"
23:10 BingoBoingo The simpler solution is to remember to grind spent but warm cigarette butts into the dirt when traversing a tinderbox.
23:12 nubbins` that's not simpler at all :D
23:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.06299999 = 0.189 BTC [-]
23:14 decimation what I don't understand is why bitcoin network code uses TCP, yet includes optimization hacks to try to improve performance. Why not manage things properly at the application layer with UDP?
23:15 asciilifeform decimation: neither the only nor the most egregious kludge in the ref. client.
23:15 decimation no, but I find the overuse of TCP to be an annoyance. TCP was made by the devil to help people trick themselves
23:16 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/
23:17 mircea_popescu <decimation> I feel bad for the youth who will be swindled into giving their flower to rank idiocy <<< unlike what other youth ?
23:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol
23:17 ozbot O hai let me verify your identity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:17 decimation alas, youth is wasted on the young
23:17 mircea_popescu which lass ? :D
23:17 decimation heh
23:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00086849 = 4.8818 BTC [+]
23:17 mircea_popescu but yeah.
23:18 mircea_popescu decimation because satoshi didn't understand udp and couldn' find any libraries.
23:19 mircea_popescu because they mostly don't exist standalone because people in gaming need and so make them
23:20 mircea_popescu but anyway, bored young minds with the strength of oxen wishing to create an ACTUAL altcoin are well advised to try and specify bitcoin.
23:20 mircea_popescu by the time they're done they will have collected enough tidbits (such as this one) to actually make an alt with a chance.
23:21 decimation yeah. The end-to-end argument ( http://www.reed.com/dpr/locus/Papers/EndtoEnd.html ) was written in the early 80's and seems to have been ignored ever since
23:21 mircea_popescu decimation in anyone's defense, nobody can know everything.
23:21 asciilifeform classy crapware, btw, tends to speak with pure udp.
23:21 mircea_popescu we are today right here in this chan in a much softer seat than satoshi ever was
23:21 mircea_popescu simply because there's a collection of idiots rather than a single idiot.
23:22 decimation this is true. I would rather have bitcoin as-is than no bitcoin
23:22 BingoBoingo I imagine Satoshi is a lurker in this chan, never speaking, but simply logging the lols
23:22 mircea_popescu decimation it still IS a prototype.
23:22 mircea_popescu it's role never having been to be worth "x billionty dollars" but simply to support nurture and allow this conversation.
23:23 mircea_popescu anyway, paul baran's work is ALSO mostly forgotten
23:23 mircea_popescu and perhaps the larger loss. as people today interact with him like with shakespeare, out of reinterpreted reinterpretations of copies
23:23 mircea_popescu rather than considering the actual points
23:24 decimation oh, he did Ricochet
23:24 BingoBoingo "Rock Glass while doing high-impact sports. Glass is a piece of technology, so use common sense. Water skiing, bull riding or cage fighting with Glass are probably not good ideas." https://sites.google.com/site/glasscomms/glass-explorers
23:24 mircea_popescu he did a metric ton of shit
23:24 decimation there are still Ricochet boxes that dot the countryside in the US
23:25 asciilifeform decimation: got at least 6 of those just on my street.
23:25 asciilifeform they still respond to signals! i once bought a ricochet modem just to determine this.
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23:25 decimation I wonder if they still work :)
23:25 decimation lol awesome
23:25 asciilifeform they work - but no backhaul.
23:26 mircea_popescu o quit quitting is it! i see
23:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 837 @ 0.00021259 = 0.1779 BTC [+] {2}
23:26 asciilifeform ricochet was a classic example of a co. with a real, useful product, killed by gross mismanagement
23:27 asciilifeform leaving a gap of several yrs with no economical replacement
23:27 asciilifeform before the appearance of inexpensive/ubiquitous 'ip over cellular'
23:28 decimation right. It seems to me that there is still space to compete in that market for bottom dollar text/email
23:28 asciilifeform ricochet was a true mesh network
23:28 asciilifeform even now i can get the modems to pass garbage from one end of the town to another.
23:28 decimation I always wondered how they would deal with constrained nodes
23:29 BingoBoingo I remember when half of the failed grocers and restauranteurs tried to set up competing dial up ISPs
23:29 decimation chokepoints in the graph
23:30 decimation I think guys like him and Vint Cerf see what the Internet has become and are sad
23:30 decimation like idiots using stateless protocols like http to "log in"
23:30 BingoBoingo http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/02/18/1839237/a-mathematical-proof-too-long-to-check
23:30 ozbot A Mathematical Proof Too Long To Check - Slashdot
23:31 asciilifeform decimation: the rot goes far deeper.
23:31 asciilifeform decimation: see, for example: the notion of 'formats.' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309)
23:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this is a classic example of 'proofiness'
23:32 asciilifeform (to borrow from herr bush's 'truthiness')
23:32 asciilifeform people who put no value on understanding.
23:32 mircea_popescu proofines = the quality of something which isn't proven but you'd like it to be.
23:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course.
23:33 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I might lean towards thinking the proof is valid, but could come in at hundreds of KB if only enough Aspies were locked in an attic with some meth.
23:33 mircea_popescu ofcourseyouwould.jpg
23:34 decimation ugh, the worst offenders for hardware codecs are the DVSI guys
23:35 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I imagine Breaking Bad takes place in an Alternate universe where Erdos had to cook his own amphetamines.
23:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: the fool's fake passport: once it becomes possible to do business only with those who follow formula of 'fuck people, do business with keys,' social engineering goes mostly away.
23:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0995 = 0.199 BTC [+]
23:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform or at least, social engineering as we know it.
23:36 decimation on the other hand, you could argue that "IS-95" is a "format" and Qualcomm camps out on that with their custom crapware
23:36 mircea_popescu social engineering as the venetians knew it "mostly went away" too.
23:36 asciilifeform it will resolve to elaborate ruses to steal keys
23:36 asciilifeform which is still an improvement.
23:36 * mircea_popescu tries to remember who decimation is. who are you decimation ?
23:36 decimation I'm some guy livin' in the US
23:37 the20year oh my
23:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually the novel of "how will SE look in a post-key apocalypse" could be an interesting novel.
23:37 mircea_popescu haha ok.
23:37 asciilifeform see the immortal 'Shall Be Delivered'.
23:37 asciilifeform (by mpoe-pr)
23:37 mircea_popescu doesn't seem much there yet.
23:37 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm juggling 8 tasks, but is there a bounty on the post key apocolypse novel?
23:38 asciilifeform http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/
23:38 ozbot Shall be Delivered | The Whet
23:39 asciilifeform required reading, for anyone who gives half a damn.
23:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not particularly
23:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00492531 = 0.1478 BTC [+] {4}
23:40 asciilifeform the author, about whom i know virtually nothing else - is a titan.
23:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Understandable.
23:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That author is from what I understand an expatriate Californian
23:41 decimation http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=452
23:41 ozbot Codec 2 « Rowetel
23:42 decimation this guy is a hero to the amateur radio guys - he's making is own open-source codec for low bitrate speech
23:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you mean of the whet ?!
23:42 asciilifeform whoever wrote that tale
23:42 asciilifeform if i recall, it was mpoe-pr
23:42 mircea_popescu i am guessing you'll be meeting her.
23:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It was indeed
23:43 mircea_popescu she's not really a titan, like D.
23:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps you've heard the infamous ' Я русский бы выучил только за то, что им разговаривал Ленин' line
23:45 asciilifeform (deliberately ungrammatical. it is spoken by some conquered savage, in a Mayakovsky poem)
23:46 asciilifeform ('russian i would learn, simply because, it was spoken by lenin')
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23:46 mircea_popescu paaaaartiiiiiaa leeeniiinaa
23:46 asciilifeform haha
23:46 decimation why not German spoken by Marx?
23:46 mircea_popescu or hegel.
23:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00086849 = 9.0757 BTC [+]
23:47 mircea_popescu but yes, this is the major criterion i employ to guide me linguistically.
23:47 mircea_popescu i've not learned chinese yet mostly because i know of no noteworthy intellectual achievement in their classics.
23:47 mircea_popescu i did learn english because shakespeare is good.
23:47 asciilifeform point being, if that piece were written by a demented martian, i should like to learn martian.
23:47 decimation that's what I was about to ask
23:48 decimation they have 5,000 years of bureaucracy
23:48 asciilifeform the chinese, as i understand, got stuck in a certain 'thermodynamic' trap
23:48 mircea_popescu decimation it's not even the bureaucracy. i despise their 5000 years of dumbass comme-il-faut-confucianism
23:48 asciilifeform of, you could say, insufficiently high temperature in the simulated-annealing sense.
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23:49 asciilifeform they 'color within the lines' (as pre-braindamage paul graham put it)
23:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform tell you what. they had alchemy inception cca 2nd century BC.
23:49 mircea_popescu we have extant inscriptions enough to certify this.
23:49 asciilifeform they had countless neat things.
23:49 mircea_popescu by 1800 they were still dicking around.
23:49 BingoBoingo I'm still lol'ing at decades of nutrition made soldier outgrow the chinese army's tanks
23:49 mircea_popescu the head whore cixi rejected trains because they were TOO NOISY
23:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this was an actual problem in japanese metro in the '80s.
23:50 asciilifeform the kids wouldn't fit in their parents' chairs.
23:51 decimation There is something about the West that breeds a certain creativity that is absent in the far East
23:51 BingoBoingo Well, I guess this makes a case for chemistry as being a somewhat acceptable surrogate for food.
23:51 mircea_popescu yes. a derisive despising of the other.
23:52 decimation every man for himself vs. veneration for the entire family/community?
23:52 BingoBoingo If only the Chinese had enough inate malice, they could have been the ones to hook the English on opium
23:52 asciilifeform rec. reading re: china: 'The Rise of Early Modern Science: Islam, China and the West', T. E. Huff
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23:53 asciilifeform dives into, (for those of us who do not know chinese) the reasons why the gadgets did not transition into what we think of as 'technology'
23:53 mircea_popescu decimation something in that sense. i dunno that it could be readily reducible to any other form.
23:53 asciilifeform and why their alchemists got firmly wedged in alchemy
23:53 mircea_popescu both sets of chimps will readily ensalve the troop for their benefit
23:53 mircea_popescu but the western chimps tend to lol at the slave troop while doing it.
23:54 mircea_popescu this contains the seeds of improvement.
23:54 mircea_popescu this is perhaps usable as an explanation of why the us and generallythe english world collapses today
23:54 decimation rather than the slaves accepting the mandate of heaven
23:54 mircea_popescu it all begun when they decided it'd be more stable if they stopped making fun of their captives.
23:54 mircea_popescu more stable it did in fact become
23:54 mircea_popescu who knew that sort of ossified, concrete stability is the enemy of long term survival.
23:55 mircea_popescu what ants knew what cracks are.
23:55 decimation frank herbert hints at that in Dune
23:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5647 @ 0.00086441 = 4.8813 BTC [-]
23:55 mircea_popescu i guess so yeah
23:57 decimation somehow this ties into all voice and no exit
23:57 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/codemonkey.pdf
23:57 decimation why didn't the 1000 BC Chinese sail to the new world and scap some Indians?
23:57 asciilifeform 'Group Responses to Specially Skilled Individuals in a Macaca fascicularis Group'. E. Stammbach
23:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8658 @ 0.00086849 = 7.5194 BTC [+]
23:58 mircea_popescu decimation perhaps, but that may well be misleading. hard to see
23:58 asciilifeform the chinese visited some of our present dysfunctions rather early on.
23:58 asciilifeform see the Zheng He voyages
23:58 mircea_popescu (i'm not nearly that well informed in azn matters)
23:58 asciilifeform (arguably their equivalent of 'space program')
23:59 asciilifeform brought back animals from africa, etc. to no useful end
23:59 asciilifeform result: fleet burned, deep sea navigation verboten - as wasteful...
23:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because they could never sail, because they were fucktarded in the roman sense
23:59 mircea_popescu (who also could not - ever - sail)
23:59 mircea_popescu because who is this sea and how dares it move!
23:59 asciilifeform sailing isn't quite enough though
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