| 00:04 |
BingoBoingo |
!up RagnarsBitch |
| 00:04 |
BingoBoingo |
!up RagnarDanneskjol |
| 00:05 |
usagi |
Yeah I haven't been here in 9 months |
| 00:05 |
usagi |
I've been busy. But today is a big day :) |
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| 00:05 |
TheNewDeal |
new scams on the horizon? |
| 00:05 |
usagi |
A red letter day |
| 00:06 |
usagi |
TheNewDeal; Hmm, well I don't really follow the securities forum anymore |
| 00:06 |
usagi |
Wouldn't klnow |
| 00:06 |
TheNewDeal |
what were you involved with? |
| 00:07 |
usagi |
Well I ran TU.SILVER, BMF, etc. |
| 00:07 |
TheNewDeal |
what happened, if you could give me the tldr |
| 00:07 |
usagi |
Sure |
| 00:07 |
usagi |
I'm getting the funny feeling you are insinuating I've been scamming without actually knowing what went on |
| 00:08 |
usagi |
I don't think you're cutting me a fair deal. That's also fair in a way, I can't make you like me. But don't waste my time kay |
| 00:08 |
TheNewDeal |
It was mostly a joke |
| 00:08 |
usagi |
Hehe |
| 00:08 |
Duffer1 |
is internet, hate first, question later |
| 00:08 |
Duffer1 |
:P |
| 00:08 |
usagi |
Well basically I ran Tu.SILVER on bitfunder, and when bitfunder closed down I had to ship everyone their silver |
| 00:09 |
TheNewDeal |
part of the agreement from the gitgo? |
| 00:09 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ud gitgo |
| 00:09 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gitgo | Slang term referring to the very beginning of any sequence or time frame. I knew Bush would be a nightmare from the gitgo! by Feets_dont_fail_me_now October ... |
| 00:09 |
usagi |
The deal with TU.SILVER is the same as with BMF. It never wanted to close, but it did because the exchange folded. In TU.SILVER's case, we were a depository. So there are still a few customers who have not requested their silver |
| 00:09 |
usagi |
I have about 20oz or so lying around belonging to others |
| 00:09 |
TheNewDeal |
dibs |
| 00:09 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust usagi |
| 00:10 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012 |
| 00:10 |
usagi |
The other side of the coin is over here on #assets |
| 00:10 |
usagi |
If you have been here for any length of time you are aware the regulars here like to name drop that I am a scammer |
| 00:10 |
TheNewDeal |
most definitely |
| 00:10 |
usagi |
It's a bunch of horeshit, but it is what it is. |
| 00:11 |
TheNewDeal |
not sure about your case in particular, but they usually can smell a scam out before it stinks |
| 00:11 |
usagi |
In this case, mircea popescu personally does not like me because I can out-talk him. |
| 00:11 |
usagi |
So he put me on ignore and that's that, I'm never getting out of this prison |
| 00:11 |
TheNewDeal |
oooh that's a bold statement |
| 00:12 |
TheNewDeal |
can you out think him? |
| 00:12 |
usagi |
We all have our specialities |
| 00:12 |
TheNewDeal |
If I were a scammer, I know which one I would prefer |
| 00:13 |
usagi |
To be honest the main reason I dont come here so often is because it is a waste of time :/ |
| 00:13 |
usagi |
Very few of my business ever came from IRC, and all of the negativity did |
| 00:13 |
TheNewDeal |
gotta compare the opportunity cost |
| 00:13 |
usagi |
I've made much more avoiding it |
| 00:13 |
usagi |
Besides I deal in physical things, real estate, and education -- these are not the sort of businesses that get funding here |
| 00:14 |
danielpbarron |
you have no idea |
| 00:14 |
usagi |
Well yeah you're right. I havent been around for a long time :) |
| 00:14 |
TheNewDeal |
you do have a fair amount of wot data, which is always nice |
| 00:15 |
usagi |
Well WOT is an interesting subject. |
| 00:15 |
usagi |
MP himself has written a number of interesting articles about it. Gotta hand it to the man he is educating people somewhat |
| 00:15 |
danielpbarron |
;;rated usagi |
| 00:15 |
gribble |
You rated user usagi on Sun Aug 17 10:48:58 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: https://twitter.com/UsagiMeijin ; doesn't know how to WoT http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/08/17#l1408286607. |
| 00:15 |
TheNewDeal |
who is anduck? |
| 00:15 |
usagi |
I did an insurance contract with anduck about 2 years ago iirc |
| 00:16 |
usagi |
The funny thing about wot is it is actualy disproving some of the crap people like bingoboingo have said about me |
| 00:16 |
usagi |
They put so much faith in the system, yet seem blind to what it is telling them. |
| 00:17 |
TheNewDeal |
I had the impression that WOT doesn't tell you something, it merely points you in the direction of people to talk to in order to format an opinion |
| 00:17 |
usagi |
thenewdeal; So if you talked to everyone I have a rating with, what would you see |
| 00:17 |
usagi |
You would see that everyone I do business with likes me |
| 00:18 |
usagi |
but that there's a small clique of people on #assets that hate me because bitcoin |
| 00:18 |
TheNewDeal |
or you do business with other scammers? |
| 00:18 |
TheNewDeal |
I just took a glance, I haven't talked to anyone |
| 00:18 |
danielpbarron |
hey, you got people's attention; now if you start doing something that's good for Bitcoin, maybe it'll turn into good attention |
| 00:18 |
usagi |
Well, check it out |
| 00:18 |
BingoBoingo_ |
usagi: You are the most dangerous kind of Idiot, because you seem to sincerely believe that your good intentions make up for all of your poor outcomes |
| 00:18 |
usagi |
Bingo, you hate me because I spoke the truth about you |
| 00:18 |
usagi |
Bingo, Rating me -10 because of that is a little pathetic |
| 00:19 |
BingoBoingo_ |
usagi: I care little for what you say |
| 00:19 |
usagi |
Anyways, to cut this shitball short. If bingo or anyone has any actual proof that I have had poor outcomes beyond that which is normal |
| 00:19 |
usagi |
Go ahead |
| 00:19 |
TheNewDeal |
well give me the longer version of what happened to your prior enterprises, and let me actually format an opinion |
| 00:19 |
usagi |
LIke I said bingo. The difference between you and me as a fund manager is that I have lived through 3 exchange closures and you suck up to the crowd here |
| 00:20 |
TheNewDeal |
well if you pick bullshit "exchanges" in the first place, aren't you asking for trouble? |
| 00:20 |
danielpbarron |
some wallet got lost because the rented server something something hardware |
| 00:20 |
usagi |
TheNewDeal; Like I said; TU.SILVER paid out everyone what was owed. BMF merged with Tu.SILVER, and I'm paying off the investors. I just made two payments this weekend to investors. I'm handling it. |
| 00:21 |
usagi |
TheNewDeal; What's a bullshit exchange? |
| 00:21 |
TheNewDeal |
havelock |
| 00:21 |
usagi |
TheNewDeal; No, they are compliant |
| 00:21 |
usagi |
You didn't know? |
| 00:21 |
TheNewDeal |
compliant with what? |
| 00:21 |
BingoBoingo_ |
I don't run a fund, I play with MP's money and he repackages it as part of his fund. |
| 00:21 |
usagi |
Their laws :p |
| 00:21 |
Duffer1 |
compliant with gettin dat paper from suckers |
| 00:22 |
usagi |
Bingo you do what you feel you need to do. I don't know you |
| 00:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8363 @ 0.00071315 = 5.9641 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:22 |
TheNewDeal |
their compliant with the foremost popular scammiest exchange at the moment |
| 00:22 |
usagi |
TheNewDeal; You poor soul. You've been infected. |
| 00:22 |
usagi |
Here's a question I'd love MP to answer |
| 00:22 |
TheNewDeal |
I still have my bitcoin though |
| 00:22 |
usagi |
Back in the day -- can anyone tell me -- what was the difference between GLBSE and MPEX? To prove a point |
| 00:23 |
danielpbarron |
did GLBSE use PGP keys for authentication? |
| 00:23 |
TheNewDeal |
didn't glbse promise returns , like a pyramid scheme? |
| 00:23 |
usagi |
pgp keys do not shield you against legal action by the government |
| 00:23 |
usagi |
The issue is that no one really knew how things would play out |
| 00:23 |
BingoBoingo_ |
mircea_popescu never got off a plane without anything identifiable to customs as money to support himself? |
| 00:23 |
usagi |
But MP kept shitting all over GLBSE. Maybe he knew something, maybe he didn't, back then we didn't really know |
| 00:23 |
danielpbarron |
Bitcoin is not about teaming up with the USG |
| 00:24 |
danielpbarron |
that is a failed venture from the get-go |
| 00:24 |
usagi |
Today, I'm seeing the same thing with havelock. But with havelock the situation is different. I have been informed they are compliant. |
| 00:24 |
usagi |
So the party line does not apply as far as I know. If you have different information I would love to hear it |
| 00:24 |
TheNewDeal |
gitgo dpb |
| 00:25 |
usagi |
The government? |
| 00:25 |
usagi |
The government has nothing to do with this |
| 00:25 |
danielpbarron |
w/e; usagi, yes |
| 00:25 |
usagi |
The government has as much to do with bitcoin as it does with you believing in the whole bible |
| 00:25 |
TheNewDeal |
huh? |
| 00:25 |
usagi |
If you have to fight the government for your freedom then do so, beyond that I don't see what dragging the us government into things accomplishes |
| 00:26 |
usagi |
<+danielpbarron> Bitcoin is not about teaming up with the USG |
| 00:26 |
usagi |
yeah and I'm not a tomato lol (relevance?) |
| 00:26 |
usagi |
I gotta go :/ will be back I suppose, toodles |
| 00:26 |
TheNewDeal |
another interesting character in the history of bitcoin... |
| 00:26 |
danielpbarron |
12:23 <+usagi> pgp keys do not shield you against legal action by the government << maybe you are a tomato |
| 00:29 |
ben_vulpes |
get go, TheNewDeal |
| 00:30 |
TheNewDeal |
;;ud getgo |
| 00:30 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=getgo | getgo. from the very beginning. Could be a shortened form of the American quality of "get up and go". Might also be a shortened form of what the cowboy said to ... |
| 00:30 |
ben_vulpes |
dude |
| 00:30 |
TheNewDeal |
;;ud gitgo |
| 00:30 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gitgo | Slang term referring to the very beginning of any sequence or time frame. I knew Bush would be a nightmare from the gitgo! by Feets_dont_fail_me_now October ... |
| 00:30 |
ben_vulpes |
urban dictionary? |
| 00:30 |
TheNewDeal |
THE ONLY DICTIONARY |
| 00:30 |
ben_vulpes |
ok ok |
| 00:30 |
ben_vulpes |
you win clearly |
| 00:30 |
TheNewDeal |
caps always win |
| 00:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.0007134 = 6.599 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00071191 = 16.6587 BTC [-] {2} |
| 00:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1517 @ 0.00071494 = 1.0846 BTC [+] |
| 00:59 |
BingoBoingo_ |
https://twitter.com/thepaulhagan/status/501209137431465985 |
| 00:59 |
assbot |
Tonight, /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash cops have:* Tear-gassed an 8-year old* Driven a truck through a crowd* Threatened to kill a reporter on air |
| 00:59 |
BingoBoingo_ |
Tonight, #Ferguson cops have: * Tear-gassed an 8-year old * Driven a truck through a crowd * Threatened to kill a reporter on air |
| 01:03 |
BingoBoingo_ |
Amazing what tax dollars buy |
| 01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
i was going to ask you what the story was over there, bb |
| 01:06 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Basically the first night when the Highway Patrol took over there was much peace and reconciliation like Christmas 1914. Then the shitstorm resumed. |
| 01:07 |
Duffer1 |
turns out state troopers are still cops... |
| 01:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00071582 = 7.874 BTC [+] |
| 01:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Duffer1: Well, it seems the chain of command is either ineffective or non-existent |
| 01:08 |
Duffer1 |
yea |
| 01:08 |
Duffer1 |
it sounds like the local police captn has zero respect for the mayor |
| 01:09 |
Duffer1 |
or the mayor is saying one thing and making the police do another |
| 01:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, the problem with this cooperative multiagency deal is that no one knows what's going on and no one is effectively in charge |
| 01:15 |
ben_vulpes |
if the folks in power'd just let the angry people run in circles for a day or two this shit'd have burnt itself out, no? instead, they make the whole thing worse. |
| 01:15 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Probably |
| 01:15 |
BingoBoingo |
http://live.stltoday.com/Event/Information_from_Ferguson |
| 01:15 |
assbot |
Twitter coverage from reporters, officials in Ferguson |
| 01:21 |
BingoBoingo |
I mean the 1992 LA riots only really lasted what, six days? |
| 01:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.288 = 1.44 BTC [+] |
| 01:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00071642 = 5.8388 BTC [+] {2} |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 01:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00071745 = 13.0576 BTC [+] {2} |
| 01:56 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/knc-miner-sells-28nm-chips-loss/ |
| 01:57 |
TheNewDeal |
;;seen rg |
| 01:57 |
gribble |
rg was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 35 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 18 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <rg> good times |
| 02:03 |
TheNewDeal |
kakobrekla , you in the house? |
| 02:05 |
TheNewDeal |
pete, did you ever deal directly with usagi? |
| 02:05 |
TheNewDeal |
!up pete_dushenski |
| 02:06 |
TheNewDeal |
pete_dushenski did you ever deal directly with usagi? |
| 02:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00071538 = 12.9841 BTC [-] {2} |
| 02:09 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ticker |
| 02:09 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.0, Best ask: 492.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 493.54, 24 hour volume: 10808.57390774, 24 hour low: 485.39, 24 hour high: 521.92, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578 |
| 02:09 |
pete_dushenski |
TheNewDeal: depends how you define "deal |
| 02:09 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: sent :) |
| 02:09 |
TheNewDeal |
like did you buy shares in any of his companies, buy silver from him, etc? |
| 02:10 |
TheNewDeal |
;;ident pete_dushenski |
| 02:10 |
gribble |
Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685', is identified as user 'pete_dushenski', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None |
| 02:10 |
pete_dushenski |
TheNewDeal: nope |
| 02:11 |
pete_dushenski |
http://contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/ |
| 02:11 |
assbot |
Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
| 02:12 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google site:trilema.com nations are hotels |
| 02:12 |
gribble |
Stratfor lolololor. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/stratfor-lolololor> |
| 02:16 |
pete_dushenski |
https://twitter.com/therealgrubles/status/501109144146153474 |
| 02:16 |
assbot |
All quotes from the incomparable Mircea Popescu: http://t.co/tdb6liMr0s |
| 02:16 |
pete_dushenski |
@therealgrubles: @pete_dushenski http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards/ … http://trilema.com/2014/patriarchy-is-a-thing-because-nobody-likes-living-in-a-world-populated-by-little-girls/ … you support this guy? |
| 02:16 |
assbot |
Rape is fun, or let’s fuck up Adria Richards pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 02:16 |
assbot |
Patriarchy is a thing because nobody likes living in a world populated by little girls pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 02:17 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell mike_c http://van-ads.com/login/KEYID/raw |
| |
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| 02:17 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 02:17 |
pete_dushenski |
the touchiness of some people |
| 02:17 |
pete_dushenski |
^re tweet |
| 02:18 |
ben_vulpes |
"i may not agree with what you say, but i'll defend to the death your right to say it" |
| 02:18 |
ben_vulpes |
maybe not *you* and maybe not *my* death, but you get the picture. |
| 02:18 |
hanbot |
BingoBoingo mebbe you were looking for http://trilema.com/2012/tara-ca-un-hotel-sau-o-schimbare-de-perspectiva/ ? |
| 02:18 |
assbot |
Tara ca un hotel, sau o schimbare de perspectiva pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 02:18 |
BingoBoingo |
hanbot: That's the one, thank you. |
| 02:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00071483 = 4.0388 BTC [-] |
| 02:19 |
hanbot |
np |
| 02:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Anyways pete_dushenski That Trilema goes nicely with your newest post. |
| 02:20 |
BingoBoingo |
%t |
| 02:20 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 172 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A |
| 02:20 |
pete_dushenski |
BingoBoingo: merci |
| 02:21 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: If you're going to really be the best MP scholar you can be, you need to be able to tackle the Romanian writings |
| 02:22 |
pete_dushenski |
lol not an impossible task between my french and spanish |
| 02:23 |
pete_dushenski |
BingoBoingo: i saw in teh logs that you're picking up quite a bit of romanian |
| 02:24 |
pete_dushenski |
wd |
| 02:25 |
BingoBoingo |
It definitely isn't an impossible task. Certainly more rewarding that going around like a certain someone who imagines "<usagi> In this case, mircea popescu personally does not like me because I can out-talk him." |
| 02:25 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: Not really picking up romanian in a generally useful way, just dictionary assisted reading. |
| 02:26 |
pete_dushenski |
that still opens up a whole whack of material, which is really the point |
| 02:29 |
BingoBoingo |
You know the relationship between this outlet HeySteve writes for and this one mining hardware company seems way to cozy http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/gawminers-introduces-hashlet-shopify-crashes/2014/08/16 |
| 02:29 |
assbot |
GAWMiners Introduces Hashlet; Shopify Crashes » CryptoCoinsNews |
| 02:31 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell Heysteve Have you thought about taking your reporting talents elsewhere or going independent? The general quality of this thing you are writing for seems to be tanking and an exit plan is probably advisable. |
| 02:31 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 02:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3583 @ 0.00071483 = 2.5612 BTC [-] |
| 02:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Also that coinfire thing seems to have slowed to a trickle since their lulzy blowup over really needing money but being too obsessed with their "image" as they imagine it to explore how to actually get money http://coinfire.cf/2014/08/12/opinion-motivation/ |
| 02:33 |
assbot |
Opinion: My Motivation - Coin Fire |
| 02:35 |
cazalla |
ccn is one of the spammiest blogs out there, it improved a little over the past year but it's just as bad as coindesk |
| 02:37 |
cazalla |
and nfi why you need a kickstart for something like coinfire |
| 02:37 |
cazalla |
i had a diablo blog doing 1m uniques a month and it was fine on $20 month vps |
| 02:39 |
BingoBoingo |
I mean my shared hosting survived an intense /. admirably though my long term plans for the blog lean towards dedicated hardware for other reasons. |
| 02:40 |
cazalla |
ccn had a scammy investment club of which altcoins they were gonna pump and even went as far as publishing an article apologins for all the spammy shit they post |
| 02:41 |
BingoBoingo |
lulzy, I missed this |
| 02:41 |
cazalla |
if i had to guess, the site was prob sold to someone else who did it up |
| 02:41 |
cazalla |
i'm trying to find the article atm BingoBoingo |
| 02:42 |
cazalla |
this is the investment club http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/invest-trade-cryptocurrencies |
| 02:42 |
assbot |
Invest and Trade Cryptocurrencies » CryptoCoinsNews |
| 02:45 |
BingoBoingo |
That's some seriously shady shit |
| 02:50 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
did you see the club's office building - seems legit http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/bitcoin-invest-trade.jpg |
| 02:50 |
cazalla |
hmm, a lot of the older posts have been deleted |
| 02:51 |
cazalla |
archive.org still has them, for example http://web.archive.org/web/20131125003002/http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2013/11/21/primecoin-still-best-investment-advice-recent-actions-verifies-shift |
| 02:51 |
assbot |
Primecoin is STILL our best investment advice, recent actions verifies the shift - Cryptocurrency News, Bitcoin Trading Analysis | Cryptocurrency News, Bitcoin Trading Analysis |
| 02:51 |
cazalla |
lol yeah |
| 02:54 |
mircea_popescu |
<usagi> But MP kept shitting all over GLBSE. Maybe he knew something, maybe he didn't, back then we didn't really know << i knew things the lot of you didn't before it was even cool. |
| 02:54 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing's changed since 2011 but the knowledge gap. much deeper nao. |
| 02:56 |
mircea_popescu |
<usagi> yeah and I'm not a tomato lol (relevance?) << check it out kako. tomato is not a scammer either! |
| 02:57 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu> nothing's changed since 2011 but the knowledge gap. much deeper nao. << Probably the reading comprehension gap as well |
| 02:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31036 @ 0.00071144 = 22.0803 BTC [-] {4} |
| 02:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Information is worthless in the hands of people who can't interpret it |
| 02:58 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, i can't find the apology article, perhaps it's been removed but that sites was taking reddit posts, rewriting them, upboating them to the top and attracting a lot of traffic, i speculate the site was sold to someone who wanted to do it up and improve the quality but no proof, just a hunch |
| 02:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Interesting cazalla |
| 03:01 |
assbot |
usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5 |
| 03:01 |
BingoBoingo |
!up usagi |
| 03:01 |
cazalla |
plus it's in google news feed which is valuable |
| 03:01 |
usagi |
Hi. If you have something to say about me Bingo, say it to me and not behind my back please. |
| 03:02 |
BingoBoingo |
usagi: The logs are public |
| 03:02 |
BingoBoingo |
It's just kind of assumed they get read |
| 03:02 |
usagi |
Have you ever dealt with me directly? Invested in anything I've run? |
| 03:03 |
usagi |
Do you have any evidence that I have scammed or stolen anyone's bitcoins? |
| 03:03 |
usagi |
I'm just curious since you're very new here, comparatively, and yet you seem to know so much about people you have never met |
| 03:03 |
usagi |
I haven't been here in 9 months, since that time you have established yourself in this community. I find your case in particular very interesting. |
| 03:04 |
BingoBoingo |
usagi: I've read the history and your interactions with others. I actually don't think you are a scammer at all. I still think you are incredibly dangerous. |
| 03:04 |
BingoBoingo |
I first appeared in this channel early 2013 |
| 03:05 |
usagi |
Why do you think I'm dangerous? I'm interested in learning precisely what it is you feel I should learn. |
| 03:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Well what does pete_dushenski learn? It's less any particular skill set and more your general recklessness. |
| 03:07 |
usagi |
Pete dushenki is a lot like you |
| 03:08 |
usagi |
You formed an opinion of me based on what other people have said |
| 03:08 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot: Tonight, /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash cops have: * Tear-gassed an 8-year old * Driven a truck through a crowd * Threatened to kill a reporter on air << that shit still going strong huh. |
| 03:08 |
BingoBoingo |
A lot of it was from things you've said as well, I mean forum posts channel logs (here and -otc) |
| 03:08 |
mircea_popescu |
will it be a summer affair or still going oct 1st ? |
| 03:09 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: I mean the 1992 LA riots only really lasted what, six days? << how long do you think a town will burn. |
| 03:09 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: If it didn't seem destined for the BadBat category would make an interesting BitBet |
| 03:09 |
usagi |
Well Bingo it's true I am eccentric. I am pretty sure a lot of people think i'm nuts. But dangerous? I'm just asking what the deal is with that one |
| 03:10 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://mises.org/daily/6846/Police-States-and-InnerCity-Economics |
| 03:10 |
assbot |
Police States and Inner-City Economics - Ryan McMaken - Mises Daily |
| 03:10 |
usagi |
Frankly, you decided to rate me without ever having chatted with me |
| 03:10 |
BingoBoingo |
usagi: Well you seem to have a lot of accidents https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=742521.0 |
| 03:10 |
assbot |
Lost Bitcoins -- Did you just get 0.2 bitcoins? |
| 03:10 |
usagi |
And it's likely as a result of the continuous name dropping in this channel despite me not being here for 9 months. |
| 03:11 |
usagi |
Bingo, when tahoe-lafs loses a 300 btc private key, the situation is "sad". When I lose zero BTC in a development site web wallet I get videos made about me. |
| 03:11 |
BingoBoingo |
usagi: I've chatted with you before several times. Your memory's reliability is not my concern. |
| 03:11 |
usagi |
No we haven't really chatted |
| 03:12 |
BingoBoingo |
In this channel we have |
| 03:12 |
mircea_popescu |
<usagi> Well Bingo it's true I am eccentric. I am pretty sure a lot of people think i'm nuts. But dangerous? I'm just asking what the deal is with that one <<< you massively overestimate your own ability, and then derp about it in an unconvincing but ceaseless manner which entraps the more idiotic bystanders. |
| 03:12 |
usagi |
Ehh I thought you had me on ignore? |
| 03:12 |
mircea_popescu |
at some point i probably did |
| 03:12 |
BingoBoingo |
usagi: We've chatted several times in this channel last summer |
| 03:12 |
usagi |
Well mp if you have any advie for me go ahead, I'm all ears |
| 03:12 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess at some point i probably will again. |
| 03:12 |
usagi |
advice* |
| 03:13 |
mircea_popescu |
the advice is to stfu and read. which is hopefull what yu've been doing the past year or so |
| 03:13 |
usagi |
Yep |
| 03:13 |
mircea_popescu |
and that way i won't have to put you back on ignore either. |
| 03:13 |
usagi |
Thanks. |
| 03:14 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen grubles |
| 03:14 |
gribble |
grubles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <grubles> didnt know ^_^ |
| 03:14 |
mircea_popescu |
look at that, grubles hates me nao ? |
| 03:17 |
pete_dushenski |
guess so... |
| 03:19 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot: np << i think hanbot read them all. |
| 03:19 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: If you're going to really be the best MP scholar you can be, you need to be able to tackle the Romanian writings << sorry folks. i didn't do it on purpose, i just had nfi we'll end up here. |
| 03:20 |
mircea_popescu |
(and i didn't think much of english speakers back in 2010, either.) |
| 03:20 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu finally finished the monumental flesh vs. machine article. doesn't seem your thoughts on english speakers have much changed. |
| 03:21 |
mircea_popescu |
well if it makes you feel better i have a lot of disdain for romanians too. |
| 03:21 |
mircea_popescu |
misanthropy, it's like a thing. |
| 03:22 |
pete_dushenski |
i feel just fine either way :) |
| 03:22 |
mircea_popescu |
but yeah, that thing was a bitch to write. |
| 03:23 |
pete_dushenski |
the only part of the article i didn't totally grok was the aryan bit |
| 03:23 |
pete_dushenski |
what do aryans have to do with snowden, charlotta, etc? |
| 03:23 |
mircea_popescu |
ask away. |
| 03:24 |
mircea_popescu |
well i imagine asciilifeform's theory is that snowden is kosher while i gave manning as an example of not. |
| 03:24 |
mircea_popescu |
whatever you'd call it... straight laced ? |
| 03:25 |
pete_dushenski |
ok |
| 03:25 |
pete_dushenski |
and the seekrit skvirels are the usg ? |
| 03:25 |
pete_dushenski |
or the russians? |
| 03:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno if that's particularly contemplated. whenever asciilifeform uses that i just replace with "secret agents" |
| 03:25 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda derpy ones i guess, but anwyay. |
| 03:26 |
pete_dushenski |
hm ok. makes sense |
| 03:27 |
pete_dushenski |
ya, i can see the holes in the aryan theory now |
| 03:27 |
pete_dushenski |
if it's any kind of preference or rubric at all, it's horribly neglected |
| 03:27 |
pete_dushenski |
sort of like sportsmanship in soccer |
| 03:28 |
mircea_popescu |
how do you mean ? |
| 03:30 |
pete_dushenski |
well if the skvirels are selecting agents based on a code of sorts, and letting in mannings and the like while pretending to do so, this is a bit like soccer players who speak of professionalism and dive when their opponent looks at them funny |
| 03:31 |
pete_dushenski |
perhaps a better example is the stereotypical catholic schoolgirl |
| 03:31 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah it just doesn't add up. |
| 03:31 |
xmj |
what is it with catholic schoolgirls these ays? |
| 03:31 |
xmj |
they're damn pervasive, you find them everywhere. |
| 03:31 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean asciilifeform needs it to prop up his "competence behind the incompetence" theory, but otherwise in practice it's not observed. |
| 03:31 |
pete_dushenski |
very proper on paper, but filth nasty when the bell rings |
| 03:32 |
mircea_popescu |
xmj like what, your bedroom ? |
| 03:32 |
pete_dushenski |
those plaid skirts are hanging from the ceiling fan ;) |
| 03:33 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 03:39 |
pete_dushenski |
https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/501054600024432640 |
| 03:39 |
assbot |
NSA privacy invasion bad, but nothing compared to Google. |
| 03:39 |
pete_dushenski |
well ya, google isn't broke |
| 03:41 |
mircea_popescu |
he;'s just buttsore that google indexes trilema better than newscorp. |
| 03:43 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rated grubles |
| 03:43 |
gribble |
You rated user grubles on Fri Nov 23 22:04:49 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: None. |
| 03:44 |
fluffypony |
does anyone know BitcoinBear from btctalk? |
| 03:44 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony the mod ? |
| 03:45 |
fluffypony |
I don't think he's a mod |
| 03:45 |
fluffypony |
he posted in a stack of mpex threads in 2013 |
| 03:45 |
mircea_popescu |
name seems familiar one sec |
| 03:45 |
fluffypony |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=43032 |
| 03:45 |
assbot |
View the profile of bitcoinbear |
| 03:45 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla: i had a diablo blog doing 1m uniques a month and it was fine on $20 month vps << that's pretty impressive for the vps. |
| 03:46 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/17/ferguson_police_fire_tear_gas_at_protesters_before_second_night_of_curfew.html |
| 03:46 |
assbot |
Ferguson: police fire tear gas at protesters before second night of curfew. |
| 03:46 |
fluffypony |
and then went quiet from July 2013, popped his head up for 1 comment in September, and then suddenly in May this year is back and supporting some crappy scamcoin |
| 03:46 |
fluffypony |
so I'm thinking it's a bought account |
| 03:46 |
BingoBoingo |
"Given these deliberate, coordinated and intensifying violent attacks on lives and property in Ferguson, I am directing the highly capable men and women of the Missouri National Guard to assist Colonel Ron Replogle and the Unified Command in restoring peace and order to this community." |
| 03:47 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony yeah the original was a more or less adult dude. acct may have been sold i hear. |
| 03:47 |
fluffypony |
aight |
| 03:47 |
BingoBoingo |
So, from pretend martial law to actual martial law |
| 03:48 |
BingoBoingo |
You know, this account selling thing is why there can't be old timers on the forum |
| 03:48 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo but the attacks come mostly from the police. |
| 03:48 |
mircea_popescu |
is the national guard there to put down teh police ? |
| 03:49 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: We'll find out! |
| 03:49 |
BingoBoingo |
It wouldn't be the first time such things happened in Missouri |
| 03:49 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google Quantrill |
| 03:49 |
gribble |
William Quantrill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Quantrill>; Quantrill's Raiders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantrill's_Raiders>; PBS - THE WEST - William Clarke Quantrill: <http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/i_r/quantrill.htm> |
| 03:50 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5 << this is kinda lulzy. |
| 03:50 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
| 03:50 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 490.94, Best ask: 491.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.04000, Last trade: 490.94, 24 hour volume: 10815.66536353, 24 hour low: 485.39, 24 hour high: 521.92, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578 |
| 03:51 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 03:51 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
| 03:51 |
mircea_popescu |
%d |
| 03:51 |
fluffypony |
usagi has been peddling in #bitcoin-otc again |
| 03:51 |
fluffypony |
he told me that he got SO MUCH BUSINESS from my targeting him |
| 03:51 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.31 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.44 TH/s |
| 03:51 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 177834.60 in 1925 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.53 |
| 03:51 |
BingoBoingo |
%ob |
| 03:51 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony he was here earlier too. what's he doing these days ? |
| 03:51 |
atcbot |
16k@250 2k@245 43k@221 | 80k@172 34k@170 125k@165 |
| 03:51 |
fluffypony |
no idea |
| 03:51 |
fluffypony |
drowning in SO MUCH business |
| 03:52 |
pete_dushenski |
;;bc,stats |
| 03:52 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo that guy's facial hair... |
| 03:52 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 316223 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 288 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 13 hours, 21 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23419670466.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.70294 |
| 03:52 |
BingoBoingo |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2014#799730 << usagi: I've been busy. But today is a big day :) |
| 03:52 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 03:53 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: The only thing he could have done better would have been to completely erase Lawrence Kansas |
| 03:53 |
mircea_popescu |
you can never erase a shithole. |
| 03:53 |
mircea_popescu |
(old turkish proverb) |
| 03:54 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1NE5RAP.txt ) |
| 03:54 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 3 |
| 03:54 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, might've upgraded it, this is just after d3 lauched so don't really remember, point being i doubt they need a kickstarter to continue blogging |
| 03:54 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla for server costs, no. |
| 03:54 |
mircea_popescu |
"Here, Quantrill took up a job in the lumberyards, unloading timber from rail cars. One night while working the late shift, he shot a man to death. Authorities briefly arrested Quantrill, who claimed self-defense. Since there were no eyewitnesses and the victim was a stranger who knew no one in town, William was set free." |
| 03:54 |
mircea_popescu |
not bad. |
| 03:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Murica used to not suck so bad |
| 03:57 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, my grandfather loved it. |
| 03:57 |
mircea_popescu |
Editors Note from Mike: I am adding this note after this piece is published to state that this is a personal opinion piece from Brendon. |
| 03:57 |
mircea_popescu |
This piece is not endorsed by Coin Fire. |
| 03:57 |
mircea_popescu |
Brendon has since resigned on his own accord after realizing from countless emails of concerned readers that this was seen as an attempt to grab money via guilt. While this was not his intention he has since realized that it could be seen that way by many readers and independently felt he needed to go back and better hone his skills at this time. |
| 03:57 |
mircea_popescu |
this is so idiotic. |
| 03:57 |
xmj |
topic? |
| 03:58 |
mircea_popescu |
an editor's job is to EDIT, which means protect the fucking copywriters from their own idiocy |
| 03:58 |
mircea_popescu |
not put up a note to insulate himsefl from them. this is like... antiprofessional. |
| 03:58 |
mircea_popescu |
i have an idea, let's all call ourselves things we aren't and then do a shitty job of it. |
| 03:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm going to be a barber and ima peel everyone bloody today ;/ |
| 04:00 |
pete_dushenski |
"Chinese and Russian officials are warning of a potential humanitarian crisis in the restive American province of Missouri, where ancient communal tensions have boiled over into full-blown violence." |
| 04:00 |
BingoBoingo |
That thing started so promising and fell so far, basically weev 2.0 |
| 04:00 |
pete_dushenski |
"'We must use all means at our disposal to end the violence and restore calm to the region,' Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov" |
| 04:00 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/15/6005587/ferguson-satire-another-country-russia-china << kinda lulzy |
| 04:00 |
assbot |
How we'd cover Ferguson if it happened in another country - Vox |
| 04:01 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google Missouri bellweather |
| 04:01 |
gribble |
Missouri bellwether - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_bellwether>; Bellwether - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellwether>; Missouri slips from political bellwether status this fall - USA Today: <http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-06-24/missouri-no-longer-political-bellwether/55795366/1> |
| 04:08 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski lmao epic |
| 04:08 |
mircea_popescu |
sino-russian pacification mission in missouri ftw |
| 04:08 |
pete_dushenski |
pretty much nail to head there |
| 04:09 |
pete_dushenski |
i actually saw a pic of some tibetan monks there lol |
| 04:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Missouri is the most plainly American of the states with it's own east and west coasts (St Louis and Kansas City), and the capitol is a desolate hell hole |
| 04:10 |
pete_dushenski |
https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench/status/501111870531858432 |
| 04:10 |
assbot |
They came all the way from India to /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash. http://t.co/qRLKqxoo5g |
| 04:10 |
BingoBoingo |
"Analysts who study the opaque American political system, in which all provinces are granted semi-autonomous self-rule, warned that Nixon may seize the opportunity to move against weakened municipal rulers in Ferguson." << Surprisingly accurate given how St Louis county is organized |
| 04:14 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/ |
| 04:16 |
mircea_popescu |
"In the spirit of being open and transparent (a guiding principal of this site and our editorial policies), I am adding this note to this story and taking full responsibility that I have failed our readers and offering my most sincere apologies." |
| 04:16 |
mircea_popescu |
this part he got right, tho. |
| 04:16 |
mircea_popescu |
minus the spelling, but hey. |
| 04:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00070992 = 14.6953 BTC [-] {3} |
| 04:28 |
mircea_popescu |
!up b51 |
| 04:28 |
mircea_popescu |
!up B51Num1 |
| 04:29 |
mircea_popescu |
"Weve seen the criticisms from a certain IRC channel where he and the site is being put down for trying to raise some capital." |
| 04:29 |
cazalla |
pete_dushenski, "Yes, dear People Of The World, you belong to your family, your faith, and your traditions, not your nation. Where else does this exist than perhaps countries such as Japan? Families have been destroyed, faith abandoned, very little tradition left. What's left but nationalism? (I started to fall into this trap). |
| 04:29 |
mircea_popescu |
that wasn';t us was it ? |
| 04:30 |
mircea_popescu |
"I know some of this stems from the fact the website contains advertisements. A great debate has taken place internally about those advertisements. |
| 04:30 |
mircea_popescu |
They barely bring in a dollar a week for this site. They can be distracting, they can be frustrating and even annoying at times but they appear because they do bring something in, no matter how little and Mike applies every bit they earn to paying the ever increasing bills this site is faced with on a daily basis." |
| 04:30 |
mircea_popescu |
awww, and van-ads pays 10 bux a day. sucks. |
| 04:43 |
punkman |
damn heisenbugs, girl was just here, I tell her come check out the weird-colored monitor, and it fucking fixed itself! |
| 04:44 |
pankkake |
https://pthree.org/2014/08/18/whats-the-matter-with-pgp/ |
| 04:44 |
assbot |
Aaron Toponce : What's The Matter With PGP? |
| 04:44 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe she has an electric personality |
| 04:44 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake still with this ?! |
| 04:45 |
mircea_popescu |
a nm, thought it's the same old link for some reason |
| 04:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"Turns out, the post is complete junk. It's about as thoughtful and informative as the Nigerian 411 scam. Let's analyze the post, top-to-bottom." |
| 04:45 |
mircea_popescu |
word. |
| 04:46 |
BingoBoingo |
So here's a quick preview of something from a post I'm working on: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Missouri.png |
| 04:47 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I love the ozarks. All those lakes and hillbillies |
| 04:49 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah, nice rivers too |
| 04:54 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake left him a coupla comments, thanks. |
| 04:54 |
mircea_popescu |
and soap music. |
| 04:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00070974 = 16.5015 BTC [-] {2} |
| 04:56 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I have a moral dilemna. This company in China wants to retain me to hire them a team of devs to build them a chinese version of ripple. They have an enormous budget and the account would be a boon for my business. Of course ripple is junk as so nicely described here: http://trilema.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion/. I've tried to reason and communicate this to them (i am wor |
| 04:56 |
assbot |
Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 04:56 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
king through an interpreter).. yet they are determined to move forward. i am inclined to pass on it altogether unless I can convince them to build a solution that doesnt so explicitly violate the laws of capital-debt / reality |
| 04:57 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
any suggestions are welcome |
| 05:00 |
mircea_popescu |
RagnarDanneskjol why is it a moral dilemma ? |
| 05:00 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
because they would be spending an inordinate sum of money on me and devs I locate to build something I know to be rotten |
| 05:00 |
mircea_popescu |
you're not the master of the fucking world on other people's money. suppose you were a plumber and i hired you to build me a toilet on the ceiling. after you explained to me this design i have is idiotic, as long as i'm paying you;d better build it. |
| 05:01 |
fluffypony |
RagnarDanneskjol if you don't do it for them will they find someone else? |
| 05:01 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I know - I think too much is getting lost in translation here with them.. but you're right |
| 05:01 |
fluffypony |
(hint: the answer is yes) |
| 05:01 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
correct they will go somewhere else |
| 05:01 |
fluffypony |
so basically you can either profit from their decision |
| 05:02 |
fluffypony |
or not |
| 05:02 |
fluffypony |
and the thing is |
| 05:02 |
fluffypony |
they're not asking you to make weapons to kill puppies |
| 05:02 |
fluffypony |
they're asking you to build a piece of software that isn't inherently malicious |
| 05:02 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, it's not like it's some big secret that ripple is broken and why etc. |
| 05:02 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
still. i feel I can somehow interject with a better technical solution for them and retain the business/sleep better at night |
| 05:02 |
mircea_popescu |
the best tech solution is for them to just buy ripple |
| 05:02 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
right |
| 05:02 |
mircea_popescu |
caleb & co are pretty well out f dough by now. |
| 05:02 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ha |
| 05:03 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
not a bad idea |
| 05:04 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe they buy euderpium too and make a supernexus |
| 05:04 |
mircea_popescu |
no wait what was it called. a supernode. |
| 05:05 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
hmm |
| 05:06 |
punkman |
no caleb is already on to the stellar thing |
| 05:06 |
punkman |
got some fresh suckers |
| 05:07 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I know -will be easy to pick off devs |
| 05:09 |
punkman |
https://ripple.com/blog/a-debit-card-powered-by-ripple/ https://ripple.com/blog/codius-is-open-source/ |
| 05:09 |
assbot |
A Debit Card Powered by Ripple | Ripple |
| 05:09 |
assbot |
Codius is Open Source | Ripple |
| 05:09 |
punkman |
debit card!!!11 |
| 05:09 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
oh noes |
| 05:10 |
punkman |
so you go up to the machine to withdraw some money, and the machine is like fuck you dude, I don't take pirateat40BTC |
| 05:11 |
thestringpuller |
people are up |
| 05:11 |
thestringpuller |
Or just didn't go to sleep? |
| 05:12 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
no sleep |
| 05:12 |
thestringpuller |
lol toilet on the ceiling |
| 05:12 |
thestringpuller |
some good logs to wake up to XD |
| 05:16 |
punkman |
what is this a threat? " Y-Combinator-backed Shift Payments, which, according to TechCrunch, is “working to make it as easy to spend digital currencies, cryptocurrencies and loyalty points as it is to spend regular, fiat money.”" |
| 05:20 |
cazalla |
litecoin under $4, perhaps my bet http://bitbet.us/bet/773/ltc-under-1-usd-before-2015/ will get there in the end |
| 05:20 |
assbot |
BitBet - LTC under $1 USD before 2015 :: 0.09 B (17%) on Yes, 0.46 B (83%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 43`817 (100`000 to 1) |
| 05:23 |
thestringpuller |
ugh ripple |
| 05:23 |
thestringpuller |
make it go away |
| 05:28 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman even tecvh crunch is now skeptical of ycombinator |
| 05:28 |
mircea_popescu |
ALL IT TOOK WAS AN ARTICLE ON TRILEMA TWO YEARS AGO TO BUCK THEM |
| 05:28 |
mircea_popescu |
mp lists derps, mpex servers go offline, mpex servers come back online, nobody wants to do series a anymoar. the lyf&tymes. |
| 05:35 |
thestringpuller |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dtb1w/bitcoin_in_name_only/cjsyh3h |
| 05:35 |
assbot |
sgornick comments on Bitcoin in Name Only |
| 05:35 |
thestringpuller |
reddit sometimes delivers. |
| 05:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24920 @ 0.000709 = 17.6683 BTC [-] {2} |
| 05:40 |
mircea_popescu |
it's more sgornick than reddit. |
| 05:41 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot sgornick |
| 05:41 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sgornick: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sgornick | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sgornick | Rated since: Thu Dec 2 21:13:08 2010 |
| 05:41 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen sgornick |
| 05:41 |
gribble |
sgornick was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 49 seconds ago: <sgornick> Who is cascadianhacker.com ? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html <-- Bandwidth Limit Exceeded |
| 05:41 |
mircea_popescu |
o wow. cool. |
| 05:41 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
the swanson post is a riot |
| 05:42 |
pankkake |
"Why did this get down voted? Maybe they didn't read past Tim, you ignorant slut" |
| 05:42 |
pankkake |
yeah sounds like reddit |
| 05:46 |
|
Bet created: "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ |
| 05:56 |
|
Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/ Odds: 0(Y):100(N) by coin, 0(Y):100(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,998. |
| 05:57 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QqNKQ02uWI |
| 05:57 |
assbot |
Killer whale throws sea lion 20 feet into the air! Ketchikan, Alaska - YouTube |
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| 06:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14733 @ 0.00070872 = 10.4416 BTC [-] {2} |
| 06:26 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rated sgornick |
| 06:26 |
gribble |
You rated user sgornick on Fri Sep 28 05:44:50 2012, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Solid guy.. |
| 06:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00070806 = 10.1961 BTC [-] {2} |
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| 07:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8625 @ 0.00070992 = 6.1231 BTC [+] |
| 07:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7437 @ 0.00071267 = 5.3001 BTC [+] |
| 07:09 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell mike_c you proly should add pingbacks to your blog somehow. |
| 07:09 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 07:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!up nullB |
| 07:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9610 @ 0.00071267 = 6.8488 BTC [+] |
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| 07:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00070843 = 29.8957 BTC [-] {4} |
| 07:49 |
thestringpuller |
screen -d |
| 07:49 |
thestringpuller |
LOL |
| 07:49 |
thestringpuller |
oops |
| 07:53 |
pankkake |
;;ticker |
| 07:53 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 465.34, Best ask: 466.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.65000, Last trade: 464.1, 24 hour volume: 15812.06346459, 24 hour low: 462.01, 24 hour high: 510.0, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578 |
| 07:58 |
kakobrekla |
party over, go home. |
| 07:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16041 @ 0.00070703 = 11.3415 BTC [-] |
| 08:01 |
cazalla |
good timing, got some of that fkn fiat coming wednesday |
| 08:04 |
cazalla |
;;seen mexual |
| 08:04 |
gribble |
mexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 23 hours, 52 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Mexual> shit a brick, thats exactly how frogger is played |
| 08:04 |
cazalla |
;;seen vexual |
| 08:04 |
gribble |
vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <Vexual> thats not how you play frogger |
| 08:04 |
cazalla |
damn, your hang over must've been far worse than mine |
| |
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| 09:03 |
cazalla |
;;market buy 500000 |
| 09:03 |
cazalla |
how's that work again? |
| 09:04 |
punkman |
;;buy 50000 |
| 09:04 |
gribble |
(buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message) |
| 09:04 |
kakobrekla |
;;market buy 500000 |
| 09:04 |
gribble |
Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 24371.327 bitcoins, for a total of 21123101.8979 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 47.0314 seconds |
| 09:07 |
BigBitz |
kakobrekla you want it for fiat ? |
| 09:08 |
BigBitz |
;;market fiat 500000 |
| 09:08 |
gribble |
Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "fiat" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin. |
| 09:08 |
BigBitz |
Bah. |
| 09:08 |
BigBitz |
;;market buy --usd 5000000 |
| 09:08 |
gribble |
(market buy [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market buy order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in fiat. |
| 09:08 |
BigBitz |
;;market buy --fiat --currency usd 5000000 |
| 09:08 |
gribble |
Bitstamp | A market order to buy 5000000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would buy 9121.2065 bitcoins and would take the last price up to 600.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 548.1731 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0303 seconds |
| 09:10 |
kakobrekla |
BigBitz cazalla wants it not me |
| 09:10 |
kakobrekla |
and dunno what it is. |
| 09:11 |
cazalla |
i was just reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-pretend/ again |
| 09:11 |
assbot |
Let’s pretend… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 09:12 |
kakobrekla |
so you can only miss the chance to sell 10k 3 times or something? |
| 09:12 |
chetty |
!up usagi |
| 09:13 |
cazalla |
nfi, my take away was there is only so much you can borrow to sell it down until it's no longer an option |
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| 09:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00070774 = 4.1049 BTC [+] {2} |
| 09:41 |
StephanLivera |
Yeah it's an interesting point by MP, bitcoin is much easier for people to demand 'delivery' of too (when comparing to physical gold) |
| 09:42 |
StephanLivera |
I think it's really a matter of time until the next round of bank failures, bank bail-ins, currency devaluation etc. When that happens, people will be heading for the hills, nobody wants to be left holding the fiat bag |
| 09:43 |
pankkake |
but why would they chose the greasy teenager currency? |
| 09:43 |
StephanLivera |
given bitcoin's position as the top cryptocurrency (and the only one, really) - people will need a way to transfer value internationally with ease |
| 09:43 |
StephanLivera |
they will choose bitcoin because it has the strongest network effect behind it |
| 09:44 |
pankkake |
gold has a stronger network effect |
| 09:44 |
StephanLivera |
gold can't be so easily sent overseas / via internet |
| 09:44 |
chetty |
moving gold across border is hard |
| 09:44 |
pankkake |
true |
| 09:45 |
StephanLivera |
now there were things like e-gold etc. but there's the problem. 1) counter party risk and 2) high chance of governmental take down |
| 09:45 |
pankkake |
so what's good for bitcoin is regulation. gold regulation :p |
| 09:45 |
BigBitz |
3) high chance of non-existing 'vaulted gold' |
| 09:45 |
BigBitz |
paper gold is bad gold. |
| 09:45 |
BigBitz |
in my hand or gtfo. |
| 09:46 |
StephanLivera |
BigBitz, exactly - another area where btc shines, because it's very easy to "demand delivery" |
| 09:46 |
BigBitz |
StephanLivera yes sir. Agreed. |
| 09:46 |
StephanLivera |
pankkake, I think regulation is pretty irrelevant - government might SLOW bitcoin, but it will not stop bitcoin. it's just come too far, and the benefits are too great for it to be stopped now |
| 09:47 |
chetty |
every new regulation on fiats sends more people looking for options, goodness |
| 09:47 |
StephanLivera |
chetty, exactly - the tighter government controls constrict people and their choices, the MORE they want to look elsewhere. The best 'elsewhere' is bitcoin, most people just haven't realised this yet. |
| 09:48 |
pankkake |
bitcoin was conceived to ignore regulation, yes, so yes it benefits from regulation on other things |
| 09:48 |
StephanLivera |
that's a great way of putting it |
| 09:49 |
assbot |
usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5 |
| 09:49 |
chetty |
!up usagi |
| 09:49 |
usagi |
Isn't the government (the US government anyway) already taxing bitcoin? |
| 09:50 |
usagi |
I don't think they are interested in stopping it |
| 09:50 |
StephanLivera |
Yes it is, but there are difficulties identifying all bitcoin transactions, and difficulties tying transactions to a user |
| 09:50 |
chetty |
IRS said its property, so I guess so |
| 09:51 |
usagi |
Note that stating it is property is not a statement it is legal; drugs need to be property so that you can be in posession of them |
| 09:51 |
chetty |
think they tax WoW gold too |
| 09:54 |
StephanLivera |
usagi, but they even sold the silk road bitcoins. If they find illicit drugs, they don't sell those - they destroy them. So that in itself shows some treatment of legitimacy |
| 09:54 |
StephanLivera |
bitcoin itself is not illegal, nor would the state attack it by attempting to outright outlaw bitcoin. It would preferably try to make it too onerous to use with regulations instead. This way it's like a 'soft banning'. |
| 09:55 |
chetty |
but they even sold the silk road bitcoins// nice precedent |
| 09:57 |
usagi |
If the state openly sold bitcoins that is pretty much a statement that selling bitcoins is legal |
| 09:58 |
chetty |
no if about it, now I wonder if they had to pay capital gains tax |
| 10:08 |
thestringpuller |
bitcoin trapping is illegal id think |
| 10:09 |
thestringpuller |
selling large sums of btc in exchange for straight cash |
| 10:09 |
artifexd |
No. Not illegal. |
| 10:10 |
thestringpuller |
isnt holding large sums of cash illegal? |
| 10:10 |
artifexd |
You will be required to submit a report to Fincen that includes the identities of all parties involved. But the transaction itself is not illegal. |
| 10:10 |
thestringpuller |
in paper form that is |
| 10:10 |
artifexd |
Not at all. |
| 10:10 |
thestringpuller |
oh yea. my b. |
| 10:10 |
thestringpuller |
if you get approval i suppose it is okay |
| 10:10 |
thestringpuller |
those parties go straigbg |
| 10:11 |
thestringpuller |
those parties go straight to a watch list...*** |
| 10:11 |
artifexd |
It isn't approval. It's just a notification. |
| 10:11 |
artifexd |
I'm sure they do. |
| 10:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00070689 = 6.6094 BTC [-] {2} |
| 10:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00070673 = 11.131 BTC [-] |
| 10:27 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFwPAMeVPE4 |
| 10:27 |
assbot |
Anything Else by Sarah Silverman - YouTube |
| 10:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7576 @ 0.00070673 = 5.3542 BTC [-] |
| 10:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4624 @ 0.00070663 = 3.2675 BTC [-] |
| 10:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00070677 = 8.5166 BTC [+] |
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| 11:03 |
|
Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin >= $2000 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1014/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.67723352 BTC. Current weight: 86,627. |
| 11:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11296 @ 0.00070587 = 7.9735 BTC [-] {2} |
| 11:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14654 @ 0.00070496 = 10.3305 BTC [-] {2} |
| 11:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.001354 = 0.677 BTC [+] |
| 11:24 |
pete_dushenski |
http://bitbet.us/bet/1010/bitcoin-to-drop-under-450-before-september/ << did not expect this to resolve while i slept. |
| 11:24 |
assbot |
BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $450 before September :: 6.08 B (32%) on Yes, 12.85 B (68%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 31`177 (100`000 to 1) |
| 11:25 |
pete_dushenski |
dear bitbet mods, please to close and resolve above as per $442 low: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd |
| 11:25 |
assbot |
Bitstamp BTC/USD Charts - BitcoinWisdom |
| 11:25 |
pete_dushenski |
le sigh, was gonna toss some on that too! |
| 11:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 594 @ 0.00127157 = 0.7553 BTC [-] {2} |
| 11:45 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: http://contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/#comment-3999 |
| 11:45 |
assbot |
Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
| 11:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 909 @ 0.00135497 = 1.2317 BTC [+] |
| 11:46 |
pete_dushenski |
if anyone else has seen medical literature supporting the theory that fasting is effective for cancer treatment and prevention, feel free to toss it in the contravex comments section |
| 11:49 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: pete_dushenski, "Yes, dear People Of The World, you belong to your family, your faith, and your traditions, not your ?nation.? Where else does this exist than perhaps countries such as Japan? Families have been destroyed, faith abandoned, very little tradition left. What's left but nationalism? (I started to fall into this trap). << that's sorta teh point of their nefarious exercise. what's left is your own |
| 11:49 |
pete_dushenski |
search. even if you have to start from scratch, better to give your kids that than australianism or w/e |
| 11:53 |
pete_dushenski |
http://contravex.com/2014/08/17/who-are-we-not-nationals/#comment-4054 << merci pankkake ! |
| 11:53 |
assbot |
Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
| 11:53 |
pete_dushenski |
twas fast |
| 11:55 |
pankkake |
tried fasting, I don't take it well |
| 11:55 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: mp lists derps, mpex servers go offline, mpex servers come back online, nobody wants to do series a anymoar. the lyf&tymes. << is it already the third generation? like http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#footnote_3_56091 ? |
| 11:55 |
assbot |
Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 11:55 |
pankkake |
but my body is hardly in an healthy state |
| 11:57 |
pete_dushenski |
pankkake: i was never much good at it myself but tried again a few weeks ago and breezed through 24 hours. no sweat. |
| 11:59 |
pankkake |
I feel more deezy than hungry |
| 11:59 |
pankkake |
wait, how is that word spelt |
| 12:00 |
pete_dushenski |
well you still gotta drink water |
| 12:00 |
pete_dushenski |
deezy is funnier than dizzy |
| 12:00 |
pete_dushenski |
i drank coffee too |
| 12:00 |
pankkake |
it's how I write dizzy when I'm dizzy |
| 12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 13.22486200 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1150 satoshi per share |
| 12:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.78326792 BTC to 13`993 shares, 12744 satoshi per share |
| 12:06 |
pete_dushenski |
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8nhAlfIk3QIbGFzOXF5UUN3N2c/edit << taleb on gmo foods and precautionary principle |
| 12:06 |
assbot |
pp2.pdf - Google Drive |
| 12:07 |
pete_dushenski |
" |
| 12:07 |
pete_dushenski |
"The Precautionary Principle: Fragility and Black Swans from Policy Actions" |
| 12:08 |
asciilifeform |
gmo foods << a term annoying as all hell. there are no 'gmo foods |
| |
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| 12:08 |
asciilifeform |
market |
| 12:08 |
asciilifeform |
there is only, at present, 'foods optimized to resist gargantuan quantities of herbicide on the field.' |
| 12:09 |
asciilifeform |
people debate 'gmo food' as if i can go and buy, e.g., tomato plant that expresses caffeine, etc |
| 12:10 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: that'd be the tomacco you're looking for |
| 12:11 |
pete_dushenski |
and it's herbicide resistance as well as larger output, drought resistance |
| 12:12 |
asciilifeform |
or say, go and fix RuBisCO, world's most inefficient enzyme, bottleneck in photosynthesis. then grow enough on garden plot to feed entire street. destroy land/wealth equivalency, mass chaos, good times. |
| 12:12 |
pete_dushenski |
sure, foods have always been tinkered with by man, but introducing scorpion and jellyfish genes into grains is something else entirely |
| 12:12 |
asciilifeform |
but no, somehow, 'gmo' equals what monsanto inc. does. |
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| 12:13 |
pete_dushenski |
fair enough |
| 12:13 |
asciilifeform |
poisons - are poisonous. news at 11. |
| 12:13 |
pete_dushenski |
the term is associated with the profit-oriented, risk-burying activities of megacorp abc |
| 12:14 |
pete_dushenski |
surely not the only possible application of genetic modification, just the only one anyone is bothering with |
| 12:15 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: for any other application, you need a total ability to piss on patents - backed up with thermonukes. a la ussr. |
| 12:15 |
pete_dushenski |
therefore having an issue with the use of "gmo" is akin to having an issue with a "president" who could be a figure skating soccer mascot, but isn't |
| 12:17 |
pete_dushenski |
iirc le putin is banning gmo crud in his fair land, if the sanctions aren't doing it first |
| 12:18 |
asciilifeform |
story time. the appearance of the mass-produced hypodermic needle in 19th c. came in time for the peculiar debate in usa re: 'humane' methods of execution. poison injected via hypodermic (today's fashion) was proposed. rejected at the insistence of the medical world - they argued, probably correctly, that it would scare off folks from agreeing to be injected with anything. (eventually electric chair was adopted.) |
| 12:19 |
asciilifeform |
if things had gone slightly differently, we might be debating whether medicine ought to make use of hypodermics, even today. |
| 12:20 |
asciilifeform |
electric chair, meanwhile, did its fair bit to delay the adoption of alternating current mains (just like its inventor, edison, wanted it to. though he would've like to delay it forever.) |
| 12:21 |
thestringpuller |
pete_dushenski we need more comics |
| 12:24 |
pete_dushenski |
thestringpuller: let's make some! |
| 12:24 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: i wonder what the noose did for the rope industry... |
| 12:24 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: noose is traditionally reusable |
| 12:25 |
thestringpuller |
pete_dushenski: aight, nubbins can be the comic editor |
| 12:25 |
thestringpuller |
i can write a few scripts and then my buddy can draw frames |
| 12:25 |
thestringpuller |
and you can be the publisher |
| 12:27 |
pete_dushenski |
thestringpuller: i say you start your own blog. super easy to do. then you can be the home of #b-a comics! |
| 12:29 |
thestringpuller |
hmm intriguing |
| 12:29 |
thestringpuller |
maybe after I finish the visualizer |
| 12:30 |
pete_dushenski |
no rush |
| 12:34 |
chetty |
<asciilifeform> there is only, at present, 'foods optimized to resist gargantuan quantities of herbicide on the field.'// actually I dont think they much have a clue all the effects of the 'engineering' they been up to |
| 12:34 |
pete_dushenski |
gotstajet. adios! |
| 12:35 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: speaking here of the one incontrovertible engineered effect (augmented tolerance for herbicides, pesticides) |
| 12:37 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, yup, and that one is bad enough, the unkinown ones are scary |
| 12:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14195 @ 0.0000525 = 0.7452 BTC [+] |
| 12:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00070555 = 5.2211 BTC [+] |
| 12:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 518 @ 0.0013001 = 0.6735 BTC [-] {3} |
| 12:56 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: even with the poison, to approach something like the lethality of the mass automobile would be quite a feat. the more interesting aspect of present-day 'gmo' is geopolitical ('terminator seed', etc.) |
| 12:58 |
asciilifeform |
a historical annoyance, for all forms of state, is that folks can, in general, grow food without asking it permission first. |
| 12:58 |
asciilifeform |
this is being fixed. |
| 12:58 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, I still dont care to eat 'unknown' stuff. THe way they go about creating those things is insanity |
| 12:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3308 @ 0.00070555 = 2.334 BTC [+] |
| 13:00 |
asciilifeform |
!up usagi |
| 13:00 |
chetty |
<asciilifeform> a historical annoyance, for all forms of state, is that folks can, in general, grow food without asking it permission first.//+++++ |
| 13:00 |
usagi |
Thanks, I was looking at monsanto the other day actually and according to them at least, they don't produce "terminator seeds". http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/terminator-seeds.aspx |
| 13:00 |
chetty |
<usagi> Thanks, I was looking at monsanto the other day actually and according to them at least, they don't produce "terminator seeds".// YET |
| 13:01 |
asciilifeform |
usagi: at present, they have a very lucrative business (in usa) of filing mass lawsuits against folks on whose property their product ends up, through whatever means. hence the unprofitability of 'terminator' |
| 13:01 |
asciilifeform |
if something gets in the way of this business model - in usa or elsewhere - terminator. |
| 13:03 |
usagi |
Rome once tried to raise taxes on farmers to something like 100%. Farmers responded by abandoning their fields. |
| 13:03 |
asciilifeform |
more recent example - ussr, collectivization |
| 13:05 |
chetty |
USA doesn't really have farmers in the fields anymore |
| 13:05 |
asciilifeform |
eventual goal, for the state, is an endgame where you can't grow your own potato in secret any more than you can produce your own 14nm cpu. |
| 13:05 |
chetty |
and the few left are getting run out with the lawsuits |
| 13:05 |
TheNewDeal |
chetty, they're called mexicans |
| 13:08 |
TheNewDeal |
pete_dushenski , from a book my father was reading, one does not need to fast for 24 hours to reap the benefits |
| 13:08 |
asciilifeform |
the folks pushing the 'urban' ('totalitarian', etc, pick favourite term) model of civilization cannot really ever let go of the dream of the total annihilation of the 'rural' model. |
| 13:09 |
asciilifeform |
in so far as food can still be produced via traditional low-tech methods, the dream remains a dream |
| 13:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4642 @ 0.00070555 = 3.2752 BTC [+] |
| 13:09 |
asciilifeform |
!s trilema corn |
| 13:09 |
assbot |
3 results for 'trilema corn' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=trilema+corn |
| 13:10 |
thestringpuller |
!s trilema porn |
| 13:10 |
assbot |
0 results for 'trilema porn' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=trilema+porn |
| 13:10 |
thestringpuller |
LOL |
| 13:11 |
asciilifeform |
why did the rulers of ussr, china, etc. push so aggressively for mechanized agriculture? to free the plow-pullers from their toil so they can watch opera? |
| 13:11 |
jurov |
<mircea_popescu> [09:28:56] mp lists derps, ... nobody wants to do series a anymoar. << but i was waiting with any advertisement till F.DERP gets online |
| 13:12 |
TheNewDeal |
ascii whats your point |
| 13:12 |
TheNewDeal |
why did they push for it then |
| 13:12 |
asciilifeform |
control. |
| 13:12 |
asciilifeform |
required reading: j.c. scott, 'the art of not being governed.' |
| 13:13 |
TheNewDeal |
oooo required |
| 13:14 |
asciilifeform |
well, technically not required. you can always decide to spend the next 20 years as a historian and walk the author's sources yourself, coming to his - or a different - conclusion. |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
just as, if you want a glass of beer, no need to go to the pub - find some sand, salt, build a forge, having the glass, find some hops, barley... perhaps you will drink a superior beer in a few decades |
| 13:17 |
asciilifeform |
'a decade in the lab could save you an afternoon in the library.' |
| 13:17 |
asciilifeform |
(actual poster in a former workplace of mine) |
| 13:17 |
TheNewDeal |
hahaha |
| 13:18 |
chetty |
you worked for N*A asciilifeform ? |
| 13:18 |
asciilifeform |
there is a third option, that i'll bring up for completeness because it appears to be very popular these days: piss in a paper cup, write 'beer' on it, drink up. |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: National institutes of heAlth |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 13:19 |
chetty |
guess gubermint posters are gubermint posters |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: the poster is a favourite of librarians. |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps BingoBoingo owns one. |
| 13:20 |
TheNewDeal |
gotta go find some coffee |
| 13:23 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I don't have one yet... |
| 13:30 |
TheNewDeal |
didn't know bb was a librarian |
| 13:32 |
chetty |
!up usagi |
| 13:39 |
punkman |
http://blog.coinbase.com/post/95100794467/coinbase-acquires-blockr-io-welcomes-new-staff |
| 13:39 |
assbot |
The Coinbase Blog Coinbase Acquires Blockr.io, Welcomes New Staff |
| 13:40 |
TheNewDeal |
was this the first popular block explorer http://blockexplorer.com/ ? |
| 13:40 |
assbot |
Home - Bitcoin Block Explorer |
| 13:41 |
TheNewDeal |
as far as web pages go |
| 13:41 |
pankkake |
well shit |
| 13:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Coinbase better be unintentionally lulzy and let the ATC block explorer live... |
| 13:43 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.scribd.com/doc/236628112/Baltimore-District-Court-gun-ruling << mega-lol. u.s. federal judge quietly cancels the 'right to bear arms' thing by proclaiming that modern tech is not included. |
| 13:43 |
assbot |
Baltimore District Court gun ruling |
| 13:44 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders if the musket will come back into fashion |
| 13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
| 13:45 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.21 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
good morning asset-eers. |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
| 13:45 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.26 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s |
| 13:45 |
TheNewDeal |
;;marketbuy 1000 |
| 13:45 |
gribble |
Error: "marketbuy" is not a valid command. |
| 13:45 |
TheNewDeal |
;;market buy 1000 |
| 13:45 |
gribble |
Bitstamp | A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 480559.8422 USD and would take the last price up to 492.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 480.5598 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0276 seconds |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
o hey, it dropped moar ? |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
| 13:46 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 470.68, Best ask: 472.44, Bid-ask spread: 1.76000, Last trade: 470.67, 24 hour volume: 26807.72118225, 24 hour low: 442.0, 24 hour high: 510.0, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578 |
| 13:46 |
TheNewDeal |
dropped to 442 a few hours ago |
| 13:46 |
TheNewDeal |
really pissed, because I should have set an alarm and bought some coins |
| 13:46 |
punkman |
went to like $300 on btc-e |
| 13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
!up friend |
| 13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
so next time set an alarm lol. |
| 13:47 |
TheNewDeal |
holy shit, btc-e is still at 440 |
| 13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds like btc is nao copying mpex, i recall how pissed ppl were on the first and original sd dump |
| 13:48 |
TheNewDeal |
explain more |
| 13:48 |
TheNewDeal |
are you saying people are just mad because price is dropping? |
| 13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
just sorta joking with myself. |
| 13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
(there was this event, back in 2012 iirc, when someone sold like 1mn shares in shallow bids, resulting into a temporary 99.9% drop of the price) |
| 13:50 |
TheNewDeal |
for sd? |
| 13:50 |
mircea_popescu |
yea |
| 13:50 |
TheNewDeal |
did it ever rebound to the same level? |
| 13:50 |
thestringpuller |
yea |
| 13:50 |
mircea_popescu |
within an hour ? |
| 13:50 |
thestringpuller |
n |
| 13:50 |
thestringpuller |
o |
| 13:51 |
TheNewDeal |
seriously why would you need that much bitcoin that fast |
| 13:51 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller you gonna do letter parts next ? :D |
| 13:51 |
TheNewDeal |
. |
| 13:51 |
TheNewDeal |
. . |
| 13:51 |
TheNewDeal |
. . |
| 13:51 |
TheNewDeal |
there's my n |
| 13:51 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal the common wisdom at the time was that someone butterfingered. either it was meant to be a buy rather than a sell, or too many zeroes or something |
| 13:52 |
TheNewDeal |
ahhh |
| 13:52 |
TheNewDeal |
how many shares were outstanding? |
| 13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
mpex was new, plenty of finance people had just for the first time in their life had this new pympex weirdo device and key based trading and etc. |
| 13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun even recall, maybe 100mn ? |
| 13:52 |
TheNewDeal |
gotcha, justr trying to get an idea of scale |
| 13:53 |
TheNewDeal |
ltc going strong at 3.65 / .00815 |
| 13:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.29818325 = 3.5782 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:54 |
mircea_popescu |
this silver that can't even keep 1%... what silver is it! |
| 13:55 |
chetty |
copper? |
| 13:56 |
TheNewDeal |
what's with the stock bet precedent of "close at price" vs "trade at price" ? |
| 13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
hm ? |
| 13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty lol ltc is btc's copper ? what, so if all fails you can make yourself some nice ltc pipes ? |
| 13:58 |
TheNewDeal |
on bitbet, people always write up a bet about stocks like GOOG will close at above 1200 before jan 1 |
| 13:59 |
chetty |
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/18/navy-chiefs-continuation-boards/14223129/ |
| 13:59 |
assbot |
Almost 8,000 Navy chiefs face ax; sailors could advance |
| 14:02 |
thestringpuller |
;;later tell X-Rob do you mine yourself? if so do you sell btc? |
| 14:02 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 14:04 |
TheNewDeal |
mp did you ever do any dirty deals with usagi? |
| 14:05 |
X-Rob |
thestringpuller: Yes, and not very often |
| 14:05 |
X-Rob |
I normally just reinvest into hardware. Vicious circle etc. |
| 14:06 |
TheNewDeal |
what do you have now? did I see something like 13.6 TH? |
| 14:06 |
Apocalyptic |
<X-Rob> I normally just reinvest into hardware. // this strategy is bound to fail |
| 14:07 |
X-Rob |
Apocalyptic: Eeyup. |
| 14:07 |
X-Rob |
thestringpuller: about 15TH |
| 14:07 |
X-Rob |
wups |
| 14:07 |
thestringpuller |
LOL |
| 14:07 |
X-Rob |
TheNewDeal: ^^ |
| 14:07 |
X-Rob |
damn having two people starting with 'the' |
| 14:09 |
X-Rob |
Apocalyptic: It works in my, specific, limited circumstances. I have access to free power, and, I lease my hardware out. I also get to ride the wave of pump'n'dump coins, without actually any exposure. |
| 14:10 |
X-Rob |
EG, when BTCD emerged, I managed to earn 3BTC in 2 days. |
| 14:10 |
X-Rob |
that paid off all my avalon3 gear which I bought on a whim and then immediately regretted. |
| 14:11 |
Apocalyptic |
that's a different story, as you're not the only one bearing the cost |
| 14:12 |
Apocalyptic |
if you find people willing to rent hardware for a ridiculous price then you're good regardless |
| 14:17 |
X-Rob |
Apocalyptic: I normally work on ;;genrate + 10%, and I justify the +10% as 'I know what the fuck I'm doing, and you're going to get that hashrate pointed wherever you want it' |
| 14:17 |
X-Rob |
and a lot of the time I then have to help smaller pools configure their servers correctly |
| 14:18 |
X-Rob |
as a lot of them just leave the defaults. Which is fine for a slow, scrypt, pool. But terrible when you point TH of SHA at it. |
| 14:18 |
X-Rob |
But, if people are going to drive the prices up, then I"m going to take advantage of it |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#comment-105667 |
| 14:25 |
assbot |
Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 14:25 |
asciilifeform |
aha just finished reading that. |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
the article sized comments will continue until it stops with the nitpicks |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
haha reread because well i edited it |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
(coupla paras at the end0 |
| 14:25 |
asciilifeform |
lol neato |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal> on bitbet, people always write up a bet about stocks like GOOG will close at above 1200 before jan 1 << so it's like freedom, let them have fun. |
| 14:27 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michael-brown-shooting-amnesty-international-sends-team-within-us-for-first-time-as-national-guard-deployed-9675149.html |
| 14:27 |
assbot |
Michael Brown shooting: Amnesty International sends team within US for first time as National Guard deployed - Americas - World - The Independent |
| 14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
<TheNewDeal> mp did you ever do any dirty deals with usagi? << many moons ago. http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-still-not-quite-ready-for-cdos/ |
| 14:27 |
assbot |
Bitcoin, still not quite ready for CDOs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
!up rake_boss |
| 14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo it's looking pretty gnarly huh. |
| 14:28 |
chetty |
<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it's looking pretty gnarly huh.// just needs a handbasket |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
as the compatriots said twenty years ago, Azi in Timisoara, Miine'n Ferguson, MO. |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVnmiZBCjuI |
| 14:28 |
assbot |
Azi in Timisoara, maine-n toata tara! - YouTube |
| 14:28 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Yeah, the parody article's only flaw is there are no signs of Sino-Russian intervention yet. Merely observers. |
| 14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo the thing is, both the chinese and the russians are run by people. |
| 14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
people understand it's fucking stupid to undertake administering a shithole. |
| 14:29 |
BingoBoingo |
This is true |
| 14:29 |
rake_boss |
hey mircea_popescu |
| 14:29 |
rake_boss |
the gribble authentication thing |
| 14:29 |
rake_boss |
is bullshit |
| 14:30 |
rake_boss |
why not just put +r |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, even the bureaucracy understood it eventually. hence no iraq 51st state |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
rake_boss to oppress people. |
| 14:30 |
TheNewDeal |
O wow. that's kind of nasty |
| 14:30 |
TheNewDeal |
!down rake_boss |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
+r is based on this imbecilic theory that the content matters and the people do not. |
| 14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
the reality in the field is exactly opposite : i can dump porn pics all day and it'll stil be more important for bitcoin than tim swanson';s "books". |
| 14:31 |
TheNewDeal |
hahaha |
| 14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
!up shovel_boss |
| 14:32 |
TheNewDeal |
is anyone familiar with a terry tibs? |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds like an old timer |
| 14:33 |
shovel_boss |
ass |
| 14:33 |
shovel_boss |
tities |
| 14:33 |
shovel_boss |
ass |
| 14:33 |
shovel_boss |
and |
| 14:33 |
shovel_boss |
tities |
| 14:33 |
shovel_boss |
ass |
| 14:33 |
shovel_boss |
ass |
| 14:33 |
shovel_boss |
tities |
| 14:33 |
shovel_boss |
tities |
| 14:33 |
shovel_boss |
ass |
| 14:33 |
thestringpuller |
!down shovel_boss |
| 14:33 |
shovel_boss |
and |
| 14:33 |
mike_c |
!down shovel_boss |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 14:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00070526 = 6.7705 BTC [-] |
| 14:34 |
TheNewDeal |
apparently he was quite angered after I downed him the first time |
| 14:34 |
thestringpuller |
heh |
| 14:34 |
thestringpuller |
just came back to spam |
| 14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
it's like "dudes if you don't make the world friendlier to stupid people i'll stab myself in the eye" |
| 14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
totally effectual. |
| 14:36 |
TheNewDeal |
today marks an important day. My first ignore |
| 14:36 |
mircea_popescu |
<Apocalyptic> <X-Rob> I normally just reinvest into hardware. // this strategy is bound to fail << i think he pretty much said he enjoys the tinkering aspect. so from his pov it's perfect, put some money in, letting it run itself out. bitcoin, the very complex and realistic online mmorpg/mud |
| 14:36 |
X-Rob |
Heh. That's somewhat accurate |
| 14:37 |
X-Rob |
I've probably spent about 10k over the years on video cards, power supplies, etc. I haven't put any dollars into it in over 18 months (since ASICs became The One True Way(tm), basically). |
| 14:37 |
X-Rob |
And I have fun. |
| 14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
people here have shit like i dunno, laser cutters all over their kitchen. so... you're in good company |
| 14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
buncha compulsive hoarders. |
| 14:39 |
BingoBoingo |
https://twitter.com/ktbenner/statuses/501409764765478914 |
| 14:39 |
assbot |
Twitter / ktbenner: @nitashatiku black people locking ... |
| 14:39 |
TheNewDeal |
;;seen davout |
| 14:39 |
gribble |
davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 8 hours, 10 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <davout> ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791960 <<< interesting |
| 14:41 |
danielpbarron |
!up stander |
| 14:44 |
assbot |
xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
| 14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
!up xanthyos |
| 14:45 |
xanthyos |
thanks |
| 14:46 |
xanthyos |
stander: get in the WoT, you have 3 people who are waiting to give you postive rating! |
| 14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
who is he ? |
| 14:47 |
xanthyos |
an associate of danielpbarron and mine |
| 14:48 |
danielpbarron |
found him on localbitcoins dealing in the town over from me |
| 14:48 |
xanthyos |
completely reputable individual who refuses to wot or use a real irc client |
| 14:49 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. |
| 14:49 |
mircea_popescu |
lol but why |
| 14:49 |
punkman |
heh >> dustintheweb: Story time: I just bought 0.2 from a Lamassu ATM. It timed out in mid process w/out ever updating the bitchain. I about crapped my pants, but the business owner opened the box for me, got my money out, then we tried it again until it worked. |
| 14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
put it on r/buttcoin |
| 14:50 |
xanthyos |
punkman: he spoke to me just a couple hours ago planning to try the lamassu |
| 14:51 |
xanthyos |
glad i wasn't the test case |
| 14:51 |
punkman |
and at 10% premium |
| 14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
sad that the story fails to include a "he mumbled god dangit while kicking the machine a couple of times" |
| 14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
"then when it finally went through his face light up "you just gotta know how to work these treknologies" |
| 15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
!up thExit |
| 15:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00070632 = 15.0446 BTC [+] {3} |
| 15:08 |
pete_dushenski |
http://modernfarmer.com/2013/09/saga-spidergoat/ << speaking of gmo'ery |
| 15:08 |
assbot |
The Silky, Milky, Totally Strange Saga of the Spider Goat - Modern Farmer |
| 15:08 |
pete_dushenski |
silk+goat+canadian research = darpa toy |
| 15:09 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: this animal appears as a minor character in m. atwood's book 'oryx and crake', where it is called 'spoat/gider' |
| 15:09 |
pete_dushenski |
lol go figure |
| 15:09 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: have you read much atwood? |
| 15:10 |
asciilifeform |
not really the sensational chimera the article suggests. ordinary goat that secretes a usefully spidersilky protein in the milk. |
| 15:10 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: just the fun ones |
| 15:11 |
pete_dushenski |
heh cool |
| 15:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.298 = 0.596 BTC [+] |
| 15:13 |
pete_dushenski |
i've got year of the flood on my reading list |
| 15:13 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: the last (third) book's been out for ages, too. |
| 15:15 |
TheNewDeal |
pete_dushenski was hoping they would mention Island of Dr. Moreua, just finished that one up |
| 15:16 |
pete_dushenski |
TheNewDeal: they? |
| 15:16 |
TheNewDeal |
spidergoat article |
| 15:17 |
pete_dushenski |
lol o ok |
| 15:18 |
TheNewDeal |
best comment on the article "I want a spider goat condom, that I can pass down to my male grand child." |
| 15:19 |
pete_dushenski |
so why exclude the female grandchild? |
| 15:19 |
pete_dushenski |
like she's not involved in the contraceptive process |
| 15:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00070422 = 14.683 BTC [-] {2} |
| 15:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1252 @ 0.00070291 = 0.88 BTC [-] |
| 15:23 |
thestringpuller |
TheNewDeal is a master at vivisecting animals into humans |
| 15:23 |
thestringpuller |
humanoids* |
| 15:23 |
TheNewDeal |
do i smell a new otc rating coming? |
| 15:24 |
thestringpuller |
lol |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski good point actually. |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
but perhaps the implication is that it'd be icky to use another man's spider web condom |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
more so for the other man part than for the spider web part, god knows how that works. |
| 15:26 |
TheNewDeal |
do you think the females would enjoy a reused condom? |
| 15:26 |
pete_dushenski |
using another man's condom is like using another man's mouth to prechew your food before its shoved down your feeding tube |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal well maybe the implication is you only used it on their best friends. |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
(more likle, the implication is you're from the us, and thus mate once for a lyftyme) |
| 15:29 |
fluffypony |
so do we know if the ATC block exporer is going to be culled or not? |
| 15:29 |
TheNewDeal |
low blow |
| 15:29 |
fluffypony |
also fuck Coinbase, again, they irritate mea |
| 15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
culled ? |
| 15:30 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: the blockr one |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
wha do you mean by culled |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
the noun i get, the verb i dont. |
| 15:31 |
mike_c |
what noun? cull is a verb. |
| 15:32 |
fluffypony |
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/culled |
| 15:32 |
assbot |
culled - definition of culled by The Free Dictionary |
| 15:32 |
fluffypony |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culling |
| 15:32 |
assbot |
Culling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
>.< |
| 15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
this is progressing nicely. |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony are you aiming to ask "will blockr.io be shut down integrally or will the atc part somehow magically survive" or do you aim to ask "will atc implement blockchain culling like the btc does" |
| 15:34 |
fluffypony |
neither |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
win. |
| 15:34 |
fluffypony |
I mean "will blockr.io stop support ATC, thus culling it from the list of coins for which it provides blockchain explorers" |
| 15:34 |
mike_c |
fluffypony: blog post indicated the whole thing is going away. |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
not afaik ? |
| 15:35 |
mike_c |
"Blockr.io will continue to operate as usual for now"... and then it will go away. |
| 15:35 |
Apocalyptic |
mike_c, is it ? |
| 15:35 |
mike_c |
that's how i read it. |
| 15:36 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 15:36 |
fluffypony |
I agree - "Blockr.io will continue to operate as usual for now as Sašo and Samo transition to their work at Coinbase." |
| 15:36 |
fluffypony |
"as they transition" is transitory |
| 15:38 |
TheNewDeal |
isnt' atc stalling at the moment? |
| 15:38 |
mike_c |
%d |
| 15:38 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 180012.80 in 1916 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.42 |
| 15:39 |
fluffypony |
LTC dropped 20% today, Darkcoin is the major loser |
| 15:39 |
fluffypony |
36% drop in 24 hours |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun think atc ever dropped two digits sort of shit. |
| 15:43 |
TheNewDeal |
I'm just talking about the mining |
| 15:43 |
|
Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/966/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 86(Y):14(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.64962778 BTC. Current weight: 62,518. |
| 15:43 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
| 15:43 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.13 TH/s |
| 15:44 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu> i dun think atc ever dropped two digits sort of shit. << You forget before the civilized times ATC would trade at ~500 and 100 satoshis in the same hour |
| 15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
pre-bb atc ? kay :p |
| 15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
%d |
| 15:44 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 180012.80 in 1916 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.42 |
| 15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
| 15:44 |
atcbot |
[CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.71 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.13 TH/s |
| 15:45 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal well it's got 1.7th perm from now on, plus whatever other people throw at it, so im guessing a 5 to 10 th rate going forward is probably its level |
| 15:45 |
TheNewDeal |
so a 51% attack right now would be how many TH? |
| 15:46 |
TheNewDeal |
2-3? |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
well, it'd also need to have a transaction. |
| 15:47 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Not pre-me, but pre-marketmaking |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think there's been a block with a transaction in it since may. |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
this because you know, merchant adoption is so important for a coin and all that. |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/1026/btc-to-rally-to-4000-before-july-2015/ |
| 15:54 |
assbot |
BitBet - BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015 :: 0.1 B (1%) on Yes, 8.08 B (99%) on No | closing in 9 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`856 (100`000 to 2`000) |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
80 to 1 huh. |
| 15:57 |
TheNewDeal |
not bad odds |
| 15:57 |
TheNewDeal |
July 2015 is a long ways away |
| 15:59 |
TheNewDeal |
;;ident anduck |
| 15:59 |
gribble |
Nick 'anduck', with hostmask 'Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck', is identified as user 'Anduck', with GPG key id 5F81CCEC5886D61E, key fingerprint CA792C93C799D2C83A69BCE65F81CCEC5886D61E, and bitcoin address 1Anduck6bsXBXH7fPHzePJSXdC9AEsRmt4 |
| 15:59 |
Anduck |
sup TheNewDeal? |
| 15:59 |
TheNewDeal |
anduck what business did you do with usagi? |
| 15:59 |
Anduck |
why? |
| 15:59 |
TheNewDeal |
just saw your otc rating on him |
| 15:59 |
Anduck |
;;rated usagi |
| 15:59 |
TheNewDeal |
he came in here yesterday for whatever reason |
| 15:59 |
gribble |
You rated user usagi on Tue Jul 3 07:45:25 2012, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: good business, thanks =). |
| 16:00 |
Anduck |
it was with his CPA business |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
!up pharesim |
| 16:00 |
TheNewDeal |
that was him insuring against a default of glbse? |
| 16:00 |
Anduck |
yes |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
it was a default of pirate wasn't it ? |
| 16:00 |
Anduck |
no, glbse |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. maybe pirate was earlier, there were a bunch |
| 16:01 |
TheNewDeal |
did he insurance against multiple parties with the same CPA? |
| 16:01 |
TheNewDeal |
insure* |
| 16:02 |
Anduck |
dunno |
| 16:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5864 @ 0.00070677 = 4.1445 BTC [+] |
| 16:03 |
TheNewDeal |
But on Aug 23rd says to CPA investors: |
| 16:03 |
TheNewDeal |
"In the event of a full pirate default, NYAN.C will loose out, and CPA holds NYAN which holds NYAN.C. Then we have contracts on the outside as well. All in all CPA will remain very solvent, it may lose 20% of it's value in a full default. But we stands just as ready to gain 20% if pirate doesn't default." - it will remain very solvent |
| 16:03 |
TheNewDeal |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.460;wap2 |
| 16:03 |
assbot |
Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. |
| 16:03 |
TheNewDeal |
perhaps I'm reading this wrong |
| 16:06 |
TheNewDeal |
kakobrekla are you in the house? |
| 16:08 |
kakobrekla |
sorta |
| 16:08 |
TheNewDeal |
you got a payout from usagi at one point, amiright? |
| 16:09 |
TheNewDeal |
it was less than what you had bargained for, like 900 off of 1100? |
| 16:09 |
kakobrekla |
;;rated usagi |
| 16:09 |
gribble |
You rated user usagi on Tue Apr 15 13:37:58 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market (1 more message) |
| 16:09 |
ben_vulpes |
;;more |
| 16:09 |
gribble |
expire in 10 minutes. |
| 16:09 |
TheNewDeal |
what was the contract insurange against? default by _____ ? |
| 16:10 |
kakobrekla |
the ponzi |
| 16:10 |
TheNewDeal |
pirate or nefario? |
| 16:11 |
kakobrekla |
arrrgh! |
| 16:11 |
TheNewDeal |
it was pirate |
| 16:11 |
TheNewDeal |
usagi told me it was paying out on a glbse default |
| 16:11 |
kakobrekla |
mhm |
| 16:11 |
TheNewDeal |
why the hell would anyone insure against a default on pirate? |
| 16:11 |
kakobrekla |
he had it listed there |
| 16:12 |
TheNewDeal |
on glbse? |
| 16:12 |
kakobrekla |
iirc yea |
| 16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal you're new here :) |
| 16:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00070679 = 5.831 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
plenty of people ACTUALLY believed a) pirate is a bright ceo etc |
| 16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
and b) his delinquent debt holds value. |
| 16:13 |
TheNewDeal |
wasn't usagi giving insurance though at a VERY late point in the pirate ship? |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i know it looks impossible in retrospect, but it was the fact at the time. |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
consider the situaiton where a bunch of people actually believed the earth is flat at some point |
| 16:14 |
mircea_popescu |
well, his relevancy came at a very late point. he had been making noises for a long time, but nobdy paid attention for an equally long time. |
| 16:14 |
TheNewDeal |
usagi? |
| 16:14 |
TheNewDeal |
god damn english language and it's ambiguous pronouns |
| 16:15 |
TheNewDeal |
and it's similuar looking contractions |
| 16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
yes usagi. |
| 16:16 |
TheNewDeal |
he told me he is still making payments to people to this date... I think it was for bmf ? |
| 16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
part of the problem is that the guy run his affairs cca 2012 as if they were fantasy baseball. buncha names/identities with no substantial business existence or raison d'etre, making the thing difficult to remember or sanely structure historically. |
| 16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
they all traded with each other, often on bizarre terms, which'd make any judge simply lump everything together in disregard of any veils. |
| 16:17 |
asciilifeform |
wait! same usagi to whom someone dedicated a voicing of my crashing bird film ? |
| 16:18 |
TheNewDeal |
crashing bird film should receive a 91% at minimum on rotten tomatoes |
| 16:18 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 16:18 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beA99BVTFJ0&feature=youtu.be |
| 16:18 |
assbot |
The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube |
| 16:19 |
TheNewDeal |
I'm just trying to piece usagi's relevancy in the mix |
| 16:19 |
fluffypony |
I'm still waiting for someone to review my film |
| 16:19 |
TheNewDeal |
was he a small time player in the scale of the glbse flop? |
| 16:19 |
TheNewDeal |
ooooh my |
| 16:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16129 @ 0.00070698 = 11.4029 BTC [+] |
| 16:20 |
fluffypony |
I linked that video to him in -otc the other day |
| 16:20 |
fluffypony |
[2014-08-17T17:03:00+0200] <+fluffypony> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beA99BVTFJ0 |
| 16:20 |
assbot |
The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube |
| 16:20 |
fluffypony |
[2014-08-17T17:03:50+0200] <usagi> Fluffypony are you aware that I have actually been offered business as a result of you targeting me? |
| 16:20 |
fluffypony |
[2014-08-17T17:04:11+0200] <usagi> Look at my WOT brother. The wot itself is telling you how transpareently obvious you are |
| 16:20 |
TheNewDeal |
hadn't watched it with the voiceover yet |
| 16:20 |
TheNewDeal |
3-5 times better |
| 16:20 |
fluffypony |
TheNewDeal: some dude on Fiverr, I wrote the script and it cost me a whole $5 :-P |
| 16:21 |
TheNewDeal |
always thought G was soft though |
| 16:21 |
* |
asciilifeform was fully immune to pirate, usagi (?), all the other early birds of btc scamdom - how? by having nothing for them to snarf. |
| 16:21 |
* |
asciilifeform owns shirt on his back |
| 16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform prolly., |
| 16:21 |
fluffypony |
TheNewDeal: I think the hard G sounds better if it's describing a bird :-P |
| 16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal he was a small, very vocal, very entertaining player. |
| 16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony you may have the best roi of all the hollywood majors. |
| 16:22 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
| 16:24 |
TheNewDeal |
what was most annoying was he PMed me after I spoke with him here. Over the next hour or so he tried to convince me of his smashing businesses successes, and the danger of healthy skepticism |
| 16:25 |
BingoBoingo |
TheNewDeal> what was most annoying was he PMed me after I spoke with him here. Over the next hour or so he tried to convince me of his smashing businesses successes, and the danger of healthy skepticism << This is the reason for his neg rating. |
| 16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i duinno that he did ever make any money, i highyl doubt it. he did go to some personal trouble to try and cover for the various potholes he made, at some point even selling (or claiming to ?) his guitar |
| 16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
he did also sort-of maintain employment in the interval, so w/e. |
| 16:27 |
TheNewDeal |
claimed he was a teacher |
| 16:27 |
TheNewDeal |
kind of scared me |
| 16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
well yeah but of like english |
| 16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
not business. |
| 16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, gtg and catch yall laters! |
| 16:28 |
TheNewDeal |
thanks for the history lesson |
| |
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| 16:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28753 @ 0.00070607 = 20.3016 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00070839 = 3.719 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:07 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/08/18_digging-out-of-ones-own-holes.html |
| 17:08 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Oh, you blog again nao? |
| 17:08 |
jurov |
that was more like a tweet |
| 17:12 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GWNMAG.txt ) |
| 17:12 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 3 |
| 17:12 |
BingoBoingo |
jurov: Yeah |
| 17:14 |
ben_vulpes |
<jurov> that was more like a tweet << playing with the format a bit, yeah. 140 characters ain't enough, but less than 200 words can be fine too. |
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| 17:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00299399 = 0.8982 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:47 |
mike_c |
!t h hash |
| 17:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK:HASH] 1D: 0.02200000 / 0.022 / 0.02200000 (8 shares, 0.17600000 BTC), 7D: 0.02200000 / 0.022 / 0.02200000 (100 shares, 2.20000000 BTC), 30D: 0.02200000 / 0.022 / 0.02200000 (544 shares, 11.96800000 BTC) |
| 18:02 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell Mexual http://piratrad.io/ |
| 18:02 |
assbot |
piratradio |
| 18:02 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 18:02 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell Vexual http://piratrad.io/ |
| 18:02 |
assbot |
piratradio |
| 18:02 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 18:02 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell muXne http://piratrad.io/ |
| 18:02 |
assbot |
piratradio |
| 18:02 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 18:02 |
ben_vulpes |
why do i even bother... |
| 18:05 |
BingoBoingo |
benkay: because this makes stuff so much easier |
| 18:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 509 @ 0.00125093 = 0.6367 BTC [-] {6} |
| |
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| 18:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1580 @ 0.00125 = 1.975 BTC [-] |
| 18:39 |
mike_c |
benkay: nice work on the raw login! thx. |
| 18:41 |
HeySteve |
I have updated my game thread if anyone feels like splashing out with some testnet coins |
| 18:51 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell mike_c all for you baby. took two hours as i refactored the whole way login works. let me know if stupid shit happens around logins. |
| 18:51 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 18:51 |
kakobrekla |
but did you write tests ?? |
| 18:51 |
ben_vulpes |
piles. |
| 18:51 |
kakobrekla |
:D |
| 18:51 |
ben_vulpes |
U TROLL |
| 18:57 |
ben_vulpes |
btw addressing kakobrekla's van fud http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2014#798498 http://imgur.com/1n6Xjnt |
| 18:57 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 18:57 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
| 19:05 |
mod6 |
OMFG I DID IT! |
| 19:05 |
mod6 |
after crafting the leaky flask, im like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F55olo6F94 |
| 19:05 |
assbot |
Happy Gilmore Doing the Bull Dance - Feeling The Flow - Working it. - YouTube |
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| 19:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12561 @ 0.00070511 = 8.8569 BTC [-] |
| 19:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00070528 = 3.068 BTC [+] |
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| 20:01 |
ben_vulpes |
its the simple things in life |
| 20:09 |
Duffer1 |
;;seen dexX7 |
| 20:09 |
gribble |
dexX7 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <dexX7> i think i can up myself |
| 20:17 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0GRV484.txt ) |
| 20:17 |
ben_vulpes |
!b 2 |
| 20:23 |
ben_vulpes |
i think vexual has a higher bash score than i |
| 20:23 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm not even as funny as a markov chain |
| 20:28 |
BingoBoingo |
Vexual is often bashable, often not for his own uttering but for those of others that surround his. |
| 20:33 |
ben_vulpes |
it's all in the context |
| 20:47 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: minor nitpick - I don't think USG employees get dental actually: http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/4587 "Dental and Vision benefits are available to eligible Federal and Postal employees, retirees, and their eligible family members on an enrollee-pay-all basis." |
| 20:47 |
assbot |
Benefits.gov - Federal Employee Dental and Vision Insurance Program (FEDVIP) |
| 20:57 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
its still highly subsidized |
| 21:05 |
decimation |
I think health benefits are, but dental and vision are not |
| 21:05 |
decimation |
although I think they pay pre-tax money |
| 21:05 |
decimation |
I guess if by "subsidized" you mean "group purchase price" then yeah |
| 21:07 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
i don't know for certain, just have to use all these benefits comparison resources for work and it appears dental/vision is always heavily discounted for gummint folk. and yes, they get the pretax bennies too |
| 21:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14301 @ 0.00070814 = 10.1271 BTC [+] |
| 21:11 |
asciilifeform |
u.s. civil service folks get benefits package similar to that in any large firm |
| 21:11 |
asciilifeform |
proper employees, that is. contractors get zip. |
| 21:11 |
ben_vulpes |
plus motherland satisderption |
| 21:12 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 21:13 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: contractors get what their employers offer; generally "getting zip" means buy insurance on your own dime |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 'insurance on your own dime' generally means something like zip - no group discount |
| 21:15 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah that used to be true but these days with obamacare it might be about the same as everyone else, depending on the details |
| 21:15 |
asciilifeform |
'contractor' here means actual contractor, vs. proper full time employees of private firms who bid on federal contracts |
| 21:16 |
decimation |
my understanding is that usg pretends that 'contractors' are replacable parts, billable hours are based on 'years of experience and education' |
| 21:17 |
asciilifeform |
even today, buying the kind of insurance available for a token fee to civil service folks or employees of large concerns - costs 1-2k usd / month if you do it 'as a human' |
| 21:18 |
decimation |
yeah I would buy that. traditionally 'contractors' lard their billable rates to compensate for this burden |
| 21:19 |
asciilifeform |
most of the contractors are hired for a fixed salary, agreed on before-hand, as if they were normal employees |
| 21:19 |
BingoBoingo |
http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/08/how-facebook-might-fix-its-trivial-viral-content-glut/ |
| 21:19 |
assbot |
Facebooks route to becoming a reassurance machine | Ars Technica |
| 21:19 |
asciilifeform |
(rather than paid 'piecework', like the customary meaning of 'contractor' in, e.g., the construction trades) |
| 21:20 |
decimation |
well, it probably depends on the 'traditional business culture' of the particular branch of government the contractor 'agrees' with |
| 21:20 |
decimation |
seems like every piece of usg does things differently |
| 21:20 |
* |
asciilifeform is only familiar with the particular bureaucracy where he once worked |
| 21:21 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/08/18_nothing-beats-reading-the-source-boto-and-s3-and-multiple-arity-edition.html |
| 21:21 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: what do you use to sort and store your electronics parts? standard little plastic bins? |
| 21:21 |
* |
asciilifeform did ~3 yrs of this type of contracting. a real laugh. didn't even have paid time off. |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: generally, the containers they ship in. |
| 21:22 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i didn't make this bedrock, i just drill through it |
| 21:22 |
decimation |
I suspect most actual work at usg is done by contractors anyway |
| 21:22 |
ben_vulpes |
decimation: holds true for lotsa places |
| 21:22 |
TheNewDeal |
quite true |
| 21:22 |
decimation |
if they work for less than a 'living wage', then they are essentially donating their life to usg |
| 21:23 |
decimation |
same goes to employees, etc |
| 21:23 |
asciilifeform |
on account of the mundane fact that - they are cheaper. |
| 21:23 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: cheaper on a dollars/shit done metric maybe - not dollars/hr |
| 21:23 |
asciilifeform |
and, unlike many civil service posts, are 'fired at will' |
| 21:24 |
decimation |
kinda like you can only rent a miner for more than its expected bitcoin mining return, I suspect most 'employees' of usg work for less than a 'living wage' |
| 21:24 |
decimation |
ulterior motives abound, etc |
| 21:24 |
asciilifeform |
other little 'secret' - with the exception of 'secret' agencies, a contractor need not be a u.s. citizen. |
| 21:25 |
asciilifeform |
of the roughly two dozen staff in my lab, there were, i think, at most two u.s. born folks at any given time. |
| 21:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00070629 = 3.037 BTC [-] |
| 21:28 |
ben_vulpes |
http://shame.shithouse.tv/ |
| 21:28 |
ben_vulpes |
(unrelated) |
| 21:28 |
* |
asciilifeform isn't sure where the notion of 'usg pays starvation wages' comes from. |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps from academics who escape from usg research houses to private firms |
| 21:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6185 @ 0.00118124 = 7.306 BTC [-] {12} |
| 21:30 |
asciilifeform |
but if you compare folks carrying on in exactly the same profession, the pay is similar |
| 21:31 |
mike_c |
;;bc,stats |
| 21:31 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 316366 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 145 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 13 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23619550874.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.71604 |
| 21:31 |
BingoBoingo |
%d |
| 21:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19063 @ 0.00070563 = 13.4514 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:31 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 188247.82 in 1907 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.98 |
| 21:32 |
mike_c |
;;calc 0.0236 * 1.1 * 1.1 |
| 21:32 |
gribble |
0.028556 |
| 21:33 |
asciilifeform |
and the question of what precisely a 'living wage' might be, in bezzleworld, is a rather tricky one. |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
depends, i suppose, on what you'd call 'living.' |
| 21:36 |
mike_c |
23.6 * (1.1**9) |
| 21:37 |
mike_c |
;;calc 23.6 * (1.1**9) |
| 21:37 |
gribble |
55.6475655076 |
| 21:37 |
mike_c |
hm.. http://bitbet.us/bet/990/bitcoin-difficulty-72b-on-or-before-christmas/ |
| 21:37 |
assbot |
BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty >= 72B on or before Christmas :: 2.29 B (30%) on Yes, 5.46 B (70%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 69`921 (100`000 to 2`000) |
| 21:41 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I think it's true that whatever you define "living wage" in the bezzle-world, the number has been steadying going up over the years |
| 21:41 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't know who could possibly disagree with this |
| 21:42 |
decimation |
part of the problem with usg employee wages is that congress has held them fixed for several years now I think |
| 21:43 |
decimation |
http://www.fedsmith.com/2013/07/26/will-feds-get-a-pay-raise-in-2014/ |
| 21:43 |
assbot |
Will Feds Get a Pay Raise in 2014? : FedSmith.com |
| 21:46 |
decimation |
re: nsa cryptography: http://aviationweek.com/awin/faulty-aehf-slow-trajectory-orbit "It also experienced cost overruns and is late because of problems with unreliable parts that needed changing out and delays developing cryptographic keys from the National Security Agency. " |
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| 21:46 |
assbot |
Faulty AEHF On Slow Trajectory To Orbit | AWIN content from Aviation Week |
| 21:46 |
decimation |
details unspecified |
| 21:52 |
decimation |
another amusing article on usg pay (with data) http://www.fedsmith.com/2014/02/17/replacing-the-general-schedule-some-facts/ |
| 21:52 |
assbot |
Replacing The General Schedule: Some Facts : FedSmith.com |
| 21:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00070815 = 8.1791 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00070597 = 6.8479 BTC [-] |
| 21:57 |
decimation |
duh - "The bottom line is that we have absolutely no idea if pay for Federal employees is consistent with private sector pay for a given type of job in a given location.The data is not there and it may not serve the interests of politicians to actually find out what the truth is.f" |
| 22:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8747 @ 0.00070817 = 6.1944 BTC [+] |
| 22:02 |
TheNewDeal |
does anyone know of a good bitcoin network graph type generator |
| 22:03 |
TheNewDeal |
maybe like a wget of bitcoin addresses / transactions? |
| 22:09 |
mike_c |
like a chain of blocks containing addresses & transaction data? |
| 22:10 |
TheNewDeal |
too lazy |
| 22:10 |
TheNewDeal |
like a visual map |
| 22:10 |
mike_c |
blockchain.info has a clickable thing ifyou're looking follow certain txs |
| 22:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39492 @ 0.00070831 = 27.9726 BTC [+] {4} |
| 22:13 |
TheNewDeal |
how does their taint analysis work? maybe that's something kind of like what I'm looking for. Some 2nd and 3rd level addresses that have bumped into contact with a particular address |
| 22:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Taint analysis doesn't work |
| 22:13 |
mike_c |
well, that's what it is. |
| 22:14 |
mike_c |
BingoBoingo: doesn't work like is inaccurate? or just that it's a bad idea to begin with. |
| 22:14 |
TheNewDeal |
please do expalin bb. I've read the trilema article before |
| 22:15 |
BingoBoingo |
It seems like a horribly ineffective way to track ownership of coins or their movement. |
| 22:16 |
TheNewDeal |
because? |
| 22:16 |
TheNewDeal |
I'm naive here - not sure how blockchain.info runs their taint |
| 22:17 |
BingoBoingo |
TheNewDeal: Because of simply the wide variety of shit that gets done with coins. |
| 22:20 |
TheNewDeal |
there was an article posted here a while back (it's in the lawgs). It was 2 dudes, one of them for sure had an indian last name |
| 22:20 |
TheNewDeal |
they draw a map of transactions in it, and you can see a bunch of silk road addresses off on the side |
| 22:21 |
TheNewDeal |
they also claimed to have followed a few large addresses that attempted to bunch and split their coins (not necessarily mix) |
| 22:22 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: Taint analysis doesn't work << except when it does |
| 22:22 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Sure |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
if all you want to know is 'did the sr coins move' etc. |
| 22:26 |
* |
asciilifeform is still waiting for the first leak from the u.s. dept. of wherever-the-stoolie-reports-from-btc-exchanges go. |
| 22:27 |
asciilifeform |
blind 'taint' analysis is one thing, a list of 1mil names and deposit addrs is quite another. |
| 22:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah |
| 22:28 |
BingoBoingo |
With the slightest bit of personal awareness of your own addresses though, plausible deniability becomes feasible. |
| 22:30 |
asciilifeform |
when did plausible deniability release anyone from gasenwagen? |
| 22:30 |
asciilifeform |
only objective re: the wagen - don't get in. |
| 22:32 |
BingoBoingo |
True |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
weakest link in btc apparatus is still - the owner. esp. if he's hanging upside-down, waiting for the next whack with a thick telephone book. |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
even the dumbest bureaucrat presumably understands this. |
| 22:35 |
asciilifeform |
the only possible pill against this situation is - to not end up in it. |
| 22:36 |
* |
asciilifeform like probably everyone else, contemplated the mathematical curio of a 'panic key' that irreversibly destroys coin (in a hypothetical 'btc 2.0' apparatus, naturally) |
| 22:37 |
asciilifeform |
essential attribute of such being that it cannot be determined to be what it is other than by being actually used in a broadcasted transaction. |
| 22:37 |
asciilifeform |
implementation - an exercise for alert reader. |
| 22:51 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10173645/Kremlin-returns-to-typewriters-to-avoid-computer-leaks.html << Russian bureaucrats know it is easier to squeeze humans than control bits |
| 22:51 |
assbot |
Kremlin returns to typewriters to avoid computer leaks - Telegraph |
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| 23:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5211 @ 0.00070749 = 3.6867 BTC [-] |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 23:25 |
TheNewDeal |
methinks your yield is going a lot higher this month http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ |
| 23:25 |
assbot |
BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 189.09 B (14%) on No | closing in 5 months 4 weeks | weight: 53`621 (100`000 to 1) |
| 23:35 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/18/a-crude-map-of-missouri-because-where-is-ferguson-anyway/ |
| 23:45 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: typewriters are trivially snooped via ordinary acoustic bug. |
| 23:45 |
asciilifeform |
(don't believe? try it yourself. each key has a detectably-different sound.) |
| 23:45 |
asciilifeform |
given the small quantities of the machines bought, it seems likely that each will inhabit a separate room. precisely the best circumstances for such a bug. |
| 23:46 |
decimation |
yeah I believe. every security decision is full of trade-offs |
| 23:46 |
asciilifeform |
what we're seeing is not love of the typewriter, but a desperate flight from wintel. |
| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
like the doomed office plankton jumping from a burning skyscraper, they don't much care where they land. |
| 23:47 |
decimation |
http://www.zdnet.com/after-a-10-year-linux-migration-munich-considers-switching-back-to-windows-and-office-7000032714/ |
| 23:47 |
assbot |
After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office | ZDNet |
| 23:49 |
decimation |
the mind reels. one hope is that as the 14-nm process seems to dribble production, the world will have time to step back and actually do something useful with the silicon |