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07:28 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907364 << by next monday
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07:28 a111 Logged on 2019-04-08 09:34 mp_en_viaje: phf, can there be had eta for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892960 then ?
07:30 phf i made a mistake of trying to rewrite url highlight in term of message annotations. the later is the mechanism i use for xref and such, and it scans the entire message corpus once, where's url highlight right now is done on each rerender.
~ 6 hours 23 minutes ~
13:53 * asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje & co
13:54 * mp_en_viaje waves right back
13:55 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907671 << it was supposed to be a TERMINAL, holy hell.
13:55 a111 Logged on 2019-04-08 17:48 asciilifeform: ~that~ is how sane folx build irons. and not idjit intel's 'i'ma happily execute this random pile o'bits as a cpu instruction anytime' nonsense.
13:55 mp_en_viaje intel is as much a computer maker as any umbrella shop.
13:56 asciilifeform which terminal
13:57 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, the datapoint 2200
13:57 asciilifeform a aa
14:01 mp_en_viaje so im sitting here with coffee, disaronno an' excellent italian gelatto, tryna find the bottom. so far -- bottomless bimbos, as in the celebrated "sfondami tutta"
14:03 mp_en_viaje "This follows the example set by the Serene Republic" <<< something tells me ima be reading that ever more frequently.
14:04 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907689 << well, i'm around.
14:04 a111 Logged on 2019-04-08 23:57 OriansJ: asciilifeform: No, I just haven't seen anything worth discussing, as I am only here to discuss the bootstrapping of Sane Iron and I will be here until I keep my word to bvt and have my discussion with mircea_popescu; to see if there is potential for mutually beneficial cooperation in regards to Sane Iron and Need to run something now.
14:05 mp_en_viaje !!gettrust OriansJ
14:05 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
14:05 mp_en_viaje !!up OriansJ
14:05 deedbot OriansJ voiced for 30 minutes.
14:05 asciilifeform odd, i did rate him
14:05 asciilifeform !!gettrust OriansJ
14:05 deedbot L1: 1, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
14:05 asciilifeform oh oooh
14:06 mp_en_viaje oh i see
14:06 mp_en_viaje !!gettrust deedbot OriansJ
14:06 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
14:06 mp_en_viaje right.
14:06 asciilifeform !!rate mp_en_viaje 1 by all appearances, mircea_popescu's mobile palace terminal
14:06 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fbHVx/?raw=true
14:06 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, incomprehensibly my travel key dun trust you any!
14:06 asciilifeform !!v AE14263F3AA78B7C4109387AD6B1AB0B3552D1B50047E6CE640F2058B33AFD06
14:06 deedbot asciilifeform rated mp_en_viaje 1 << by all appearances, mircea_popescu's mobile palace terminal
14:08 asciilifeform d00d dun seem to actually have problem self-voicing tho. ( does, sadly , have problem with concept of reading log, but perhaps curable.. )
14:08 mp_en_viaje yeah i got confuseled.
14:09 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907698 << eeexcellent!
14:09 a111 Logged on 2019-04-09 11:28 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907364 << by next monday
14:14 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ << TMSR doctrine has been against the idea of bottoms for a while now. Bottomless everythings and everybodies.
~ 17 minutes ~
14:32 mp_en_viaje holy shit, so much zumba.
14:32 mp_en_viaje we're like 15 scoops in already.
14:32 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: wat's a 'zumba' ?
14:39 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, you know, one of those hard, time consuming things women do to look like i like them to.
14:39 asciilifeform aa gymnastics
14:40 BingoBoingo Nah, more gyrations less explosives moves into the air
14:44 mp_en_viaje buttnastics
14:45 mp_en_viaje http://i.imgur.com/RA4xaxt.gif for futureference.
14:59 PeterL zumba is basically working out to latin music
15:01 mp_en_viaje just about.
15:12 mp_en_viaje well, i guess that's all for now, catch'yall laters!
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15:59 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/04/f-35-pain-continues-japan-loses-one-over-pacific-grounds-rest/ << Qntra -- F-35 Pain Continues: Japan Loses One Over Pacific, Grounds Rest
16:10 diana_coman BingoBoingo: "turpoprop" lolz
16:11 BingoBoingo ty, fxd
16:15 * BingoBoingo remembers growing up in the US where the propaganda line was US missiles had the aim to kiss a target's asshole before exploding. Now, two decades and a couple dozen wars of various sizes later... "Next Gen" weapons not all that relevant. Air defense is the new cool because the threat to Peace this century has always been... US aircraft and missiles. Great Propoganda victory there guys.
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16:56 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1610852 - as I found this only now when I stumbled upon Montmollin's various lib and had (for once!) a rather pleasant surprise: asciilifeform did you actually review any of his code?
16:56 a111 Logged on 2017-02-02 01:08 asciilifeform: http://unzip-ada.sourceforge.net/za_html/index.htm << astonishingly readable literate-programming d00d. and he has a bunch of these.
16:58 diana_coman the code I saw so far is quite readable and self-contained so all surprisingly good there but it's true that he still uses all sorts including unbounded strings and pointers where I'm not sure it's really unavoidable
~ 15 minutes ~
17:14 asciilifeform diana_coman: he's where i lifted the 'gnathtml' coad-to-www method thing. but i never had any occasion to use his zip lib in the field
17:15 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'm quite skeptical re the 'unavoidable' of the use of unboundeds and pointerisms (in re the latter, outside of unix api glue) in the general case, tho
17:15 diana_coman I saw that he has supposedly even an Ada browser but when I tried to get the sources it seems I got some incomplete/windows-dev thing
17:15 diana_coman me2!
17:16 asciilifeform diana_coman: what made you remember the item ? ( was looking for lzwtron ? )
17:16 diana_coman he has a short and ok ini-files read/write thing that might come in handy for eulora client really
17:16 asciilifeform aa
17:17 diana_coman but yes, that uses also unbound strings
17:18 diana_coman from there I had a look at his zip ada and the rest
17:18 asciilifeform re config txt parsers, i dun grasp why it would need heapism, rather than simple http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch18_subroutines.kv/tree/ffa/ffacalc/ffa_calc.adb#L99 -style offsets into the read-only text
17:19 diana_coman as I said earlier: I don't think it *has to*; but he clearly doesn't have a problem with it and so he uses it; there are quite a few things grating, yes;
17:19 asciilifeform if all yer 'strings' come from the inside of a large, static string, can represent'em simply as tuples , as pictured in above
17:21 asciilifeform the ada array-slice notation makes this work properly without substantial effort, simply through the type constraint logic .
17:21 diana_coman certainly.
17:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch18_subroutines.kv/tree/ffa/ffacalc/ffa_calc.adb#L553 << for thread-completeness, illustration of matching such 'strings'
17:22 asciilifeform kudos to phf btw for the colourized display
17:22 diana_coman anyway, the ini files is a tidbit really; that was the entry point but since I saw afterwards all the www-oriented parts I got curious
17:23 asciilifeform diana_coman: so far i've found that reading heathen ada examples ~cost~ me time, rather than saved, and put into my head things that later had to laboriously pump out. and the zip fella is no exception.
17:24 asciilifeform 'everybody' used copious heapisms, pointerisms, 2ndarystackisms, etc. supposedly somewhere some avionics people didnt, but naturally never bothered to publish.
17:25 asciilifeform so i had to sweat it out from first principles.
17:25 diana_coman as I'm coming from a few years already of reading and wrestling planeshift code, I can't say it'll be reading heathen Ada that would cost me time, lol.
17:25 diana_coman but I get what you mean
17:26 asciilifeform 1st major piece of 'example' asciilifeform tried to eat, actually was the bignumtron ~inside gnat~ , in '16. and quickly barfed.
17:26 diana_coman and yes, it's certainly precisely the case that copious heapisms, pointerisms etc - the reason for it being as far as I can see quite obvious too: no sweating from 1st principles, much easier that way, sure
17:26 asciilifeform near as i can tell, these folx simply sat down and 'wrote c++ in ada', is all there was to it.
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17:29 diana_coman this guy is the first that doesn't quite seem "c++ in ada" really i.e. he seems more focused on Ada for the right reasons; I suspect more the windows-based trouble as it were.
17:29 asciilifeform https://archive.is/xqalm#selection-3397.1-3397.14 << oblig illust.
17:29 diana_coman anyway, for client use, it's not ada-heapism that is in any way a problem really.
17:30 asciilifeform i am unequipped to pontificate re euloratron, but as i recall the 'problem', such as there was, lives mostly in the 100MB+ of cpp legacy ???
17:32 diana_coman yes; and client is entirely open up to players to make as well as they want to have it.
17:33 asciilifeform this is where i confess that asciilifeform is not currently tuned in realtime to #e news, does not know what, if anyffin, the players have birthed
17:34 diana_coman whatever they need; so far apparently not much but that's up to them.
17:35 asciilifeform diana_coman: upstack to 'quasi-decent heathen adaists', 1 item from my notes is http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de/ada/components.htm
17:35 asciilifeform ^ looked solid on surface, but must admit that asciilifeform did not attempt to put to use
17:36 asciilifeform he has parsers, tcptronics, various datastructures
17:36 diana_coman ah, yes, that I looked at in the very beginning but tbh it still didn't help much and it was still simply Barnes' book I needed mostly.
17:37 asciilifeform kazakov's thing isn't an ada tutorial, it's a (surprisingly well documented, for a heathen) lib collection
17:37 diana_coman I suspect by now the "Ada-space" is rather mapped since I keep bumping into the same names
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17:37 asciilifeform there aint so many names, even if you count erryone who's so much as touched the subj
17:37 diana_coman myeah
17:38 asciilifeform it's roughly similar to the commonlisp situation -- most of the extant coad is old/commercial/inhouse, unpublished.
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17:38 asciilifeform thing hid in a cave from the 'open sores movement', and so kept some semblance of sanity , but at the cost of becoming essentially 'found martian artifact' from asciilifeform-circa-2016 pov
17:41 asciilifeform asciilifeform would find it interesting to read the 1980s ada that's running on boeing etc. , but so far never found any leaked pieces thereof. would be interesting to see if resembles e.g. ffa style.
17:43 diana_coman perhaps; fwiw I think there's a rather funny rush to "find" Ada.
17:44 asciilifeform there is?! (since when?? i -- mercifully -- apparently missed)
17:44 asciilifeform if indeed so, i suppose it's a good job that we forked it before it got 'found'
17:47 * asciilifeform pictures already the coming orgy of derps , writing 'ada' cum heapism/pointers , so to 'feel like a trader^H^H^H^H^Hboeing' etc
17:47 diana_coman the easy gauge would be - go mention Ada and see reaction; far from "martian artefact" style; but that being said, I'm not giving it as "fact, here it is, started on x-y-z at 5pm"
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17:48 asciilifeform whether happened yet or not, it dun particularly concern us imho -- any moar than mp has to think, when dining on foie gras, about rats gnawing on a goose carcass that died over a junkyard somewhere
17:49 diana_coman exactly.
17:50 * diana_coman will go to sleep
17:50 asciilifeform goodnight diana_coman
17:50 * asciilifeform bbl:tea
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