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07:30 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908306 << not the slower in proper comparison. 1 64bit-wide faster than 8 8-bit wides, even if slower than 1 80bit wide.
07:30 a111 Logged on 2019-04-12 02:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908273 << i neglected to add to this: the wider the lut, also the slower ( why -- will leave as exercise, but it aint difficult to figure out )
07:33 mp_en_viaje http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908312 << which is why not 32. as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884736 etc, all that's left is 64.
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07:33 a111 Logged on 2019-04-12 02:30 asciilifeform: ( by asciilifeform's napkin estimate, there are possibly 52 bits of addressable electric memory on planet3 atm.. )
07:33 a111 Logged on 2019-01-05 15:58 asciilifeform: ( i.e. one would have to put in mircea_popescu's specced exponent bitness where 'Bitness' is in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch14/fz_modex__adb.htm#85_14 , to get the speedup )
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10:46 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908318 << dun confuse the gedanken-fpga lut thrd with the 'ideal alu bus' one. i.e. a 64-bit bus is a set of 64 wires ; a 64-bit ~lut~ otoh is 2^64 sram cells , a planet-sized object , and with 1 lonely flipflop , lol, somewhere inside its molten core
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10:46 a111 Logged on 2019-04-12 11:33 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908312 << which is why not 32. as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884736 etc, all that's left is 64.
10:48 asciilifeform this gets even lulzier tho -- each bit in a lut is there because it connects to a neighbour (e.g. in the 4bit example from earlier thread -- 4 neighbours ) . nao picture the galaxy of 'neighbours' for the 64bit item...
10:50 asciilifeform ^ astro puzzle : calculate the minimal propagation delay in this 'fpga'. ( just how close can one park a jupiter to another before they merge.. etc )
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11:51 asciilifeform to briefly revisit ~earthling~ gedanken-fpga tho : it is by no means obv. that the arity has to be 4. anyffin you can tile the 2d plane with, is a legit arity. ( and if you permit 2 or moar types of tile -- then even moar possible options. )
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11:57 asciilifeform http://xahlee.info/Wallpaper_dir/c5_17WallpaperGroups.html << handy ref/likbez re subj.
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12:45 PeterL so if you have your tile in a 3d cube, then 6 bits would cover four directions plus up and down?
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13:16 asciilifeform PeterL: dun even need 3d cube -- hexagon on 2d plane worx same for ^
13:23 asciilifeform PeterL: iirc you were a chemist -- recall the 2d crystal spacegroups
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14:24 PeterL the wallpaper thing you linked made me think of spacegroups, yes.
14:25 * PeterL is chemist, but I don't do much with spacegroups these days
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15:26 asciilifeform meanwhile, in loathesome shitware : asciilifeform when woke up thought, 'i'ma quickly draw the gedanken-mechanism for mp' . went then 'with what ?' -- turns out, erry single didactic digital logic drawing thing, run in either java, or winliquishit, or is opensores linuxturd that builds but then displays blank page, or similar...
15:28 asciilifeform hair-pulling level of pervasive idiocy.
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15:30 asciilifeform $item is just slightly too large to draw with pen in reasonable time ( and with asciilifeform's penmanship ) ; but precisely small enuff to be a++ 'animated gif' didacticism -- if, that is, the opensores people actually spent past 20y writing usable soft rather than eating own shit
15:36 PeterL would it fit on your whiteboard? or is that what you meant by draw with pen?
15:36 asciilifeform is
15:38 asciilifeform i aint drawing it with pen. and certainly not animating anyffin in pen, i aint walt disney.
15:38 asciilifeform and the notion is esp. outrageous when sitting next to a comp, which theoretically ought to make this a three minute job.
15:41 PeterL three minute job if you already put in X minutes setting up the capability
15:41 asciilifeform that capability was there in fucking 1972.
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15:41 asciilifeform and sometime between then and nao, evaporated
15:41 asciilifeform i have entire bookcase fulla dead tree where entirely readable logic diagrams and defo not produced in pen by hand.
15:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760910 << thread from the ~previous~ time asciilifeform tried to do this kinda thing.
15:43 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 20:50 asciilifeform: in other idiocies, 'you are rightly observing that svg doesn't support word-wrapping directly. however, you might benefit from foreignObject elements serving as a wrapper for xhtml fragments where word-wrapping is available.'
15:44 PeterL only a terrorist would not want to run javascript/adobe/whatever shit they are served to do this task ...
15:45 asciilifeform believe or not, i powered up a winblows toilet , and tried coupla 'free' offerings
15:45 asciilifeform liquishit.
15:49 asciilifeform exhausted the (veery generous) 1h time budget i gave to this problem, and with exactly 0 to show for it.
15:49 PeterL my inner MP is saying "you should be able to explain it with text, shouldn't need fancy graphics"
15:51 asciilifeform it's a geometric device. and yes, can be explained in text, or in morse code, etc. but really belongs as a manipulable graphic, if you already fucking have a comp that displays these ( or wtf is it for, for lolcats ?! )
15:55 asciilifeform i'm not even raging on acct of 'draw gedanken-fpga', it can happily live for another year without being drawn. but i had to spend fucking MONTH hand-sweating out http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2875 , and similar
15:55 asciilifeform WHY?
15:56 asciilifeform 'oh very funny asciilifeform , you thought modern comp could be programmed to shit out logically-defined rectangles with readable text ?'
15:57 asciilifeform 'you thought you could put little arrows from one place to another in'em without hand-diddling coordinates for each one ?'
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15:58 asciilifeform ftr the rectangles in ^above STILL not 100% of consistent requested size. cuz apparently you CANNOT do this with html. or svg. or anyffin else.
16:03 asciilifeform somehow in 1985 someone somewhere had comp that's an actual fucking tool for thought, and where could go p=and(x,y) q=or(x,p) r=and(p,q) and get a set of gates arranged in neat rows and with minimal-length non-intersecting wires between'em . and today not.
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16:05 asciilifeform 'bbbut you can go and watch lolcat fucking 4 chix 1 with each paw, at 85 hertz! asciilifeform !'
16:05 asciilifeform progress!!!!!
16:20 PeterL did you try https://www.edrawsoft.com/circuits.php ? Is that the kind of thing you are looking for?
16:20 asciilifeform PeterL: it's the exact opposite of the kind of thing.
16:20 asciilifeform i thought http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908376 was pretty clear.
16:20 a111 Logged on 2019-04-12 20:03 asciilifeform: somehow in 1985 someone somewhere had comp that's an actual fucking tool for thought, and where could go p=and(x,y) q=or(x,p) r=and(p,q) and get a set of gates arranged in neat rows and with minimal-length non-intersecting wires between'em . and today not.
16:21 PeterL ah, so perhaps something like http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/circuitikz/ ?
16:21 asciilifeform would be, if it didn't ask you to manually shit out the coordinates for each fucking line.
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16:57 asciilifeform PeterL: fughet even the logic gates. where's the proggy that'll draw e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2875#selection-1129.0-1343.1 using strictly spec of the relative sizes of the items, and put the captions where they belong ? without WHOLE DAY of hand-fidgeting the coords to only then find that www browser turns it into soup when the moon is in the wrong phase.
16:58 asciilifeform ^ spoiler : latex won't
16:59 asciilifeform ooooor how about 1 that'll draw a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2842#selection-716.0-718.2 , without also WHOLE DAY of hand-fiddle , and into a scalable-to-user's-terminal item, rather than bitmap garbage ?
17:00 asciilifeform where is it ?
17:00 asciilifeform or if it dun exist, what the everliving fuck has erryone claiming to be involved in 'computer graphics' been doing since 1970s ? aside from eating own shit.
17:13 asciilifeform !#s henderson
17:13 a111 19 results for "henderson", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=henderson
17:13 asciilifeform ^ last , afaik, honest man in the field
17:17 asciilifeform !!rate OriansJ -1 read-only brain
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17:18 asciilifeform imho d00d had moar than longenuff to come to his senses.
17:19 BingoBoingo Well, wouldn't be the first case someone returns to reaudition after a few months of reading if it wasn't long enough
17:19 asciilifeform if wants reaudition, can go an' beg in 2 separate l1 castles for reprieve.
17:20 Mocky greetings asciilifeform, BingoBoingo
17:20 asciilifeform wb Mocky
17:20 BingoBoingo Buenas tardes Mocky
17:25 Mocky I'm curious how this works: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908041 now that I have extra space and trying to figure out what to do with it.
17:25 a111 Logged on 2019-04-11 17:55 mp_en_viaje: nothing wrong with getting +ev newbies.
17:26 asciilifeform Mocky: pretty sure mp described in great detail how his implementation worx
17:26 asciilifeform ( we also have pretty good description of how bird flies, but so far when asciilifeform flaps arms, for some reason dun get off ground.. )
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17:26 Mocky read yesterday's log, you mean there or elsewhere?
17:27 asciilifeform nah i mean his www , where described how he goes around and chix rise from the very earth and ask to be enslaved
17:29 Mocky ah yes. More specifically, I don't wonder about making chix rise from the earth, but how to make it +ev starting with the first, as opposed to adding the 6th
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17:29 asciilifeform iirc Mocky was an aged fella, already had 1 ... nth , neh?
17:35 Mocky yeah, and?
17:35 BingoBoingo Catch girl, test girl with low risk work, follow by catching next girl
17:35 Mocky yeah I suppose no other way than just trying it
17:36 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/04/clintons-legacy-libyan-rebels-hitting-libyan-government-with-warplanes/ << Qntra -- Clinton's Legacy: Libyan "Rebels" Hitting Libyan "Government" With Warplanes
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18:06 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908406 << at work when I'm the only one who can answer for issues peripherally related to our project even though I'm the newest, coworkers act as if I'm some sort of different species. maybe I'm a member of homo giveashiticus and they aren't, who knows. But no, I don't expect mp has martian dna and that success in some particular realm is thus unattainable.
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18:06 a111 Logged on 2019-04-12 21:26 asciilifeform: ( we also have pretty good description of how bird flies, but so far when asciilifeform flaps arms, for some reason dun get off ground.. )
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18:35 asciilifeform Mocky: mno, idea is that it dun suffice to read how e.g. sharpshooter or parachutist does his thing, to learn to do it.
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18:58 Mocky agreed, it dun suffice to read.
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19:59 BingoBoingo Mocky: Well, is there someone you can deal with when the contract comes to its end... who knows enough and has the power... to pay you for being a givashiticus?
20:04 Mocky They way they have folks scheduled to rotate off of my project, at the time my contract is up I'm going to the only developer who will have been on the project for more than a few weeks, I'll still be bringing the newbies up to speed. So I expect to have substantial leverage.
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20:13 BingoBoingo Less about leverage and more... they were lucky enough to give you a contract in spite of HR. Is there actually someone making decisions or is this a Home Depot that figures they'll luck into another giveashiticus eventually.
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20:18 asciilifeform meanwhile, in 'rocks from oldlogz garden', http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652667
20:18 a111 Logged on 2017-05-07 18:52 gabriel_laddel_p: Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up.
20:20 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/04/pantsuitists-flaff-in-outrage-over-trump-administration-proposal-to-concentrate-costs-of-pantsuitist-migration-policies-in-pantsuit-sanctuary-cities/ << Qntra -- Pantsuitists Flaff In Outrage Over Trump Administration Proposal To Concentrate Costs Of Pantsuitist Migration Policies In Pantsuit "Sanctuary Cities"
20:23 Mocky BingoBoingo: There are a couple smart someones making decisions but I don't know how much involvement they will have with the decision of what to do with me. otoh you don't need to be a someone to respond to leverage
20:26 BingoBoingo Well, it's a problem of whether the place is organized sanely or instead organized as a meat grider that eats bodies because they discount the possibility of sanity
20:39 Mocky it's firmly in the bezel with a massive contingent of folks hired 1st year out of college without having had another job. Enuf 'diversity' in management to keep white men in check, yet somehow with enuf white men to still make sure technical work continues.
20:42 Mocky they can't hire fast enough. health insurance is big biz evidently
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21:42 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908415 << canonical trilema (imho) on the subect of "what is role of a master" is here >> http://trilema.com/2017/the-masters-textbook-why-do-girls-seek-you-out/#selection-141.0-145.485
21:42 a111 Logged on 2019-04-12 22:06 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908406 << at work when I'm the only one who can answer for issues peripherally related to our project even though I'm the newest, coworkers act as if I'm some sort of different species. maybe I'm a member of homo giveashiticus and they aren't, who knows. But no, I don't expect mp has martian dna and that success in some particular realm is thus unattainable.
21:42 lobbes i.e. from what I can tell, much like the republic makes a safe space in the -public- domain for humans to be human, a master makes a safe space in the -private- domain for girlz to be human
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21:42 lobbes of course, while not a 'matrian dna', it is definitely a skill that not many have. e.g. for myself, I'm still learning to discern the essential and unimportant for just myself and my 1 gurl (and, of course, properly *communicate this*, which is a weakness of mine). So, in a sense I get the "watching a bird fly by flapping its wings not sufficient for flying". Learned skill like anything I suppose
21:43 lobbes *martian
21:52 Mocky great link lobbes, thx
21:54 Mocky also a great trilema banner today
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