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01:55 mircea_popescu Mocky that's not terrible.
01:55 mircea_popescu can it then "sponsor" you & others ?
01:59 mircea_popescu how to establishment sounds pretty good on its own :D
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03:15 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/the-price-of-loyalty-revisited/ << Trilema - The Price of Loyalty, revisited
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05:22 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=29 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/20/2018
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10:36 mod6 mornin'
10:37 mod6 Email to btc-dev ML went through for the excise hash trunctation + manifest.txt: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000311.html
10:37 mod6 Thanks jurov!
10:37 Mocky good morning mod6
10:40 Mocky feeling any better from your car crash?
10:42 mod6 morning Mocky! Yeah, thanks for asking. Still have some lower-back pain, but otherwise, feeling good.
10:42 mod6 I figure the back pain will be better once the bruising is gone.
10:48 Mocky yeah, may take a while
10:51 mod6 Lords and Ladies: Please let me know if you have any updates to the list of Advertised Republican Nodes.
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11:20 BingoBoingo Mornin'
11:21 * BingoBoingo elbow deep in envirorast asshole
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11:34 mod6 mornin' BingoBoingo
11:38 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854622 << elbow-deep in lxs ninxs anus now and again is a great contribution to republican value!
11:38 a111 Logged on 2018-09-26 15:21 BingoBoingo elbow deep in envirorast asshole
11:39 BingoBoingo I figure if I can stuff a couple scuffed up dice in the appendix, it's all over for them in less than a month
11:42 mircea_popescu heh
11:48 Mocky mircea_popescu, this first step of Commercial Registration gives trade name, ability to open corp bank acct, accept customer payments, purchase company assets. In addition to small fees there's an annual fee of ~400 to 2000 USD per declared business activity, each activity has its own fee. This process appears to be quick and easy.
11:48 mircea_popescu aha. but can you sponsor foreignlings ? or absence from enum as meaningful as presence ?
11:51 Mocky next step would be a Trade License which requires lease of physical location and inspction of same. third step of filing with immigration service requires both 1 and 2, and at that point only can hire employees and issue residence permits and sponsor foreigners
11:54 BingoBoingo Mocky next step would be a Trade License which requires lease of physical location and inspction of same. << What are the Coworks like over there?
11:54 Mocky step 2 seems paperwork heavy for both company and real estate leasers plus ~4 week wait on inspector
11:56 Mocky BingoBoingo, i see a handful, mainly in sky scrapers, 9 to 5ish hours. havent' found pricing yet
11:56 mircea_popescu in argentina the "inspection" consisted of girly from the local tax office following me to the place. i unlocked, she was like "ah, ok" i was like wut ? come inside, have a drink, walked all thios way.
11:56 mircea_popescu she was liek "no, really, all i must do is see you have the keys"
11:56 BingoBoingo No 24/7 places? Where are you supposed to take hostel chicks?
11:57 asciilifeform Mocky: what are prices like in arabistan, anyway... many 0s? few ?
11:57 mircea_popescu well he';s not there yet!
11:57 mircea_popescu or wait. you landed ?!
11:57 Mocky no not yet!
11:57 * mircea_popescu thought we're still 2weeks awya from the momentuous event
11:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: recall, it's the place where 9 in 10 is a d00d, and the chix are in gynecaeum and dun see daylight. supposedly, at least.
11:57 asciilifeform ah
11:58 mircea_popescu http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/media.html << just reading this makes one fucking hate linux. wtf bs!
11:58 Mocky re inspection: i think they just want to see the place is real, has proper signage and has some necessary plackard posted on interior
11:58 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: All the more important to have an action plan for what to do with the ones he does find
11:59 mircea_popescu Mocky in most of yurp a fine solution is to go into countryside, buy ye olde farmhouse, huge space no problems.
11:59 mircea_popescu not sure in qatar, but really this is the sorta thing gotta be evaluated on ground.
11:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol they renamed 'mnt' ?
11:59 mircea_popescu nono
11:59 mircea_popescu mnt is for "temporary". because i have permanent mounts!
12:00 mircea_popescu and /media is so that the whole /cdrom /cdrecorder /cdfutipemata don't overwhelm /
12:00 asciilifeform who the fuq has a permanently affixed cdrom nao
12:00 mircea_popescu (in practice - /media exists because i want to mount d /media/cdlabel rather than mount d /mnt/64randomchars)
12:00 Mocky the step one stuff is well documented, the steps 2 & 3 are not and my current info is gleaned from 5 diff reports by foreigners. situation on the gorund could be different
12:01 mircea_popescu but the FUCKING SOLUTION would have been to make mnt labels work properly.
12:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i dun think i've ever mounted a disk by label
12:01 mircea_popescu why not ?
12:01 asciilifeform only ever mount /dev/sdx /mnt/blah ...
12:01 asciilifeform cuz how the fuck i know what is its label if i pulled it out of 20yo binder
12:01 asciilifeform or am i missing sumthing
12:01 mircea_popescu yes, but dosbox can't check the mount point
12:02 mircea_popescu so mount d "/media/Heroes II" works well
12:02 mircea_popescu whereas mount d /mnt/fg4jk43h5kj43hjkfjkerwhfkjrehkjerw takes a while
12:02 asciilifeform hm, dun recall ever trying dosbox on physical disks
12:02 mircea_popescu yeswell!
12:03 mircea_popescu it's not particularly useful, "mp just make an iso". but it is a great thing when what you're doing is sitting there going, "look, this, this is then."
12:03 mircea_popescu i suppose similar to why parade officer uniform still has hat.
12:03 asciilifeform i'd make iso. cuz of all the things i miss about physical dos boxen, sitting for 25min and listening to bzz-whzzik aint one of'em
12:03 mircea_popescu BUT IT WAS THE EXPERIENCE
12:04 asciilifeform lol
12:04 mircea_popescu besides, drive just read once, kept the 50mb or so in memory by all appearances.
12:04 asciilifeform lemme know when it is time to ship to mircea_popescu the trinitron.
12:04 asciilifeform ( i've got a few )
12:04 mircea_popescu noty, the (very nice, btw!) screen on the hp envy was part of ~the other part~ of the experience.
12:05 Mocky asciilifeform, reports are that cost of living there is in same ballpark as US UK, with the exception that housing prices continue drop as gulf states embargo continues
12:05 asciilifeform does it evenly cut pixelwise into vga ?
12:05 mircea_popescu incidentally, do you recall right off how to force dosbox into fullscreen-scaled-up rather than alt enter full screen "here's some black margin" ?
12:05 asciilifeform Mocky: sounds promising
12:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: alt-enter iirc
12:05 mircea_popescu no, se...
12:05 mircea_popescu you end up with a postcard. i want it full screen for reals.
12:06 asciilifeform there's a fancy-scaling thing, iirc -scaler sumthing , https://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Scaler seems to have the goods
12:07 mircea_popescu a ty
12:08 mircea_popescu 2xsai ftw
12:09 asciilifeform if only somebody still made lappies in godly 4:3 display
12:09 mircea_popescu ikr.
12:09 mircea_popescu "oh noes, customers have come to expect bartv!"
12:10 asciilifeform wat's in that hp, anyway ? led panel ?
12:13 asciilifeform ( and lol was it that one where you gotta set lamp brightness while it boots )
12:14 mircea_popescu nah, different.
12:14 asciilifeform aa
12:15 asciilifeform a ha that was 'hp envoy' not 'envy', wasntit.
12:15 asciilifeform ( such 'imaginative' model names... )
12:17 mircea_popescu no, that was ugh. hang on, i can only look one at a time
12:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform 44cm "infinity", led thing
12:22 mircea_popescu aaaand nope, scaler dun do anything ;/ still postcard
12:30 mircea_popescu ok, figured it out. /me shall add to the article.
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13:35 mircea_popescu meanwhile in "black chix grauduate", https://image.ibb.co/fboGsU/grauduation.png
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13:36 asciilifeform holyfuqwat
13:36 mircea_popescu i expect ged.
13:37 asciilifeform or! phd! in studies-studies...
13:37 mircea_popescu ~same differenece.
13:37 asciilifeform and is that a mermaid tattoo
13:38 mircea_popescu i think mermaid is classist and opressive of people of submissive sexual orientation.
13:38 mircea_popescu the politically correct term is merwhale.
13:39 asciilifeform reminds me of a 1890s brit caricature i once saw, where 'esteemed gentleman's beagle has died, and he took it to 2 taxidermists...', one cheapskate, who offered him just skeleton with sock on it, other who used air pump, offered doglike baloon, with the phrase 'human strength can stuff it no further!' caption
13:40 mircea_popescu this sounds like america.
13:40 asciilifeform it's exactly
13:40 asciilifeform the twist, is that ~can~ stuff it further, i've seen with own eyes even fatter specimens
13:40 asciilifeform that one at least stands on legs
13:41 mircea_popescu teenager yet.
13:41 asciilifeform quite a few cannot. BingoBoingo has the full detail...
13:41 mircea_popescu but yes, good african stock will manage perfect sphere.
13:41 asciilifeform i have personally seen this.
13:41 asciilifeform and wondered why they even keep their legs, could snip'em off, improve circulation...
13:42 mircea_popescu possibly because medicare dun cover it.
13:42 asciilifeform i expect obummer II will fix this.
13:42 mircea_popescu i... don't.
13:42 asciilifeform eh amputations cheap.
13:43 mircea_popescu not if you want to improve circulationm lol, gotta plug the vessels.
13:43 asciilifeform hot iron
13:44 mircea_popescu lol. aaanyways.
13:44 * asciilifeform is lowtech fella with lowtech ideas...
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14:12 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> not if you want to improve circulationm lol, gotta plug the vessels. << Pressure sensitive check valve which leaks if they roll into unapproved positions.
14:26 asciilifeform ohai BingoBoingo
14:26 asciilifeform how's orc paper hell
14:28 BingoBoingo Orc paper hell is orc paper hell, but once this bitch gets digested it seems like it will open up slow boating piles of shit in from China when Pizarro grows to the point we can use that.
14:39 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=30 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/21/2018
14:39 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/09/anti-trump-wop-trolled-into-championing-fake-accuser-troll-job-then-exposed/ << Qntra - Anti-Trump Wop Trolled Into Championing Fake Accuser, Troll Job Then Exposed
14:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lemme know asap when you learn whether the disk crate went irretrievably into /dev/null or not
14:45 asciilifeform because gotta get spare disks to rk plant soon.
14:45 asciilifeform one way or other.
14:46 diana_coman asciilifeform, udp tester seems to be nicely running uk->uy and uy->uk so my next step on this will be to publish all the relevant code; since this is effectively on top of udplib, I'd patch it on your tree; mind moving it though to keccak?
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14:47 asciilifeform diana_coman: what's the fastest way to do this ? ( i.e. do you recall whether phf published his converter ? or do i gotta crank it manually )
14:47 diana_coman I'm also not sure re naming convention for patches as I thought it was to use "_" ? i.e. why is the errata named udp_errata.asciilifeform?
14:48 diana_coman asciilifeform, I'm not aware of a converter but pinging phf to correct me if I'm wrong
14:48 asciilifeform and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody )
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14:49 asciilifeform i'ma wait an' see what mircea_popescu says re subj
14:49 asciilifeform i.e. a proper close of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851882 thrd
14:49 a111 Logged on 2018-09-19 17:48 mircea_popescu: because it fragments the sensata-perceptible identity of the v.
14:50 diana_coman out of curiosity: why "asciilifeform_keccak" rather than "keccak"?
14:50 diana_coman or whatever, "keccakhash"
14:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform delete sha patches then.
14:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: trb is 100% sha currently
14:50 asciilifeform as is 9000 other items
14:50 mircea_popescu hey, i didn't tyell you to take the insane stance ; merely the necessary result thereof.
14:51 asciilifeform i ain't about to keep arj files on my box that are actually zip eithe
14:51 asciilifeform r
14:51 asciilifeform ~this~ -- insanity.
14:52 mircea_popescu so delete them, then.
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14:52 mircea_popescu for all i know .zip is "this truly ancient and obscure format for publishing toothpicks". da fuck i care.
14:53 mircea_popescu im not about to call zips .zip-not-toothpicks instead.
14:53 asciilifeform so i take it it's going in the names.
14:54 mircea_popescu if you must. it'll look retarded, esp after a time passes, but nothing regrinds won't fix anyway.
14:54 asciilifeform you dun need regrind to rename files
14:54 asciilifeform gpg doesn't sign names.
14:54 asciilifeform (patch files, that is )
14:54 mircea_popescu not "to rename files". as time passes, regrinds happen ; nonsensical nym-bs won't carry.
14:54 asciilifeform theoretically mircea_popescu and errybody can rename patches to be anyffing at all
14:55 asciilifeform ( so long as also rename the seal )
14:55 asciilifeform at least in the old vtrons ( i have not yet read the new one fully )
14:55 asciilifeform the only hard req was that seal name match the sealed payload
14:56 mircea_popescu the things that end up discussed as a result of "wouldja publish proper tree so others can patch on it already"
14:56 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'ma bake a new-style set and post closer to nightfall, currently boiling in cauldron of liquishit
14:59 diana_coman asciilifeform, works; publishing code is anyway good excuse for another review, so it'll take me some time too anyway
15:00 asciilifeform diana_coman: if you'd rather proceed immediately, and generate a newstyle tree, i'ma read it and sign also.
15:00 asciilifeform it is such a small proggy, that this is not mega-pain
15:01 asciilifeform ( maybe the smallest item i've genesis'd to date )
15:02 diana_coman as said above: it can certainly wait 24 hours and preserve history, what; and anyway, the tester part I see more as a branch only, because of the modifications required for testing purpose only (e.g. making the udp generic)
15:02 asciilifeform ok
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15:37 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: lemme know asap when you learn whether the disk crate went irretrievably into /dev/null or not << At this point I am waiting for confirmation on my theory of the problem. I have identified the proper trámite and paper work it requires. If I am right in this theory other than my time, this will require a cross town bus ride to inconveniently located office to show papers and sign other papers swearing
15:37 BingoBoingo things. For its part however DINAMA will not be collecting a fee for its part in registering the business of me as an importer exempt from producing a waste management plan.
15:39 BingoBoingo In this case the only motherfucking wop bastard seeing pesos in the execution of the rescue is the bus driver.
15:44 BingoBoingo And irony of ironies, confirmation just arrived.
15:48 BingoBoingo Tonight I am checking and printing paperwork, tomorrow catching a bus and registering as an importer
15:48 mod6 nice
15:48 mod6 thanks BingoBoingo
15:50 BingoBoingo Still going to look for a copy of Dr. Tristan Narvaja's Código Civil de la República Oriental del Uruguay at the feria named for the fellow
16:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ty for the update
16:04 asciilifeform diana_coman, mod6 , phf , et al : is the 'canonical' (i.e. most recent usable) oldv-tree of newstyle-v the one on phf's www ?
16:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You are very welcome. After the fucking two imports bullshit and first DHL flunky insisting on just getting a refund from Amazon, /dev/null is not an option
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16:07 diana_coman asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q; if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes
16:07 asciilifeform diana_coman: i.e. http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ ?
16:08 diana_coman asciilifeform, yes, that one
16:08 asciilifeform diana_coman: ty, was all i needed
16:08 diana_coman yw
16:10 phf asciilifeform: fyi if you're using your own v, you would want to remove vtools_vdiff_sha, vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc and vdiff_sha_static patches from patchset, because your v will get confused
16:11 asciilifeform phf: noted, ty
16:12 phf i just got aarch gnat operational yesterday, so i'll republish it as a single tree anyway, but as of right now i think only esthlos's v does the fancy graph resolution
16:25 mod6 <+diana_coman> asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q; if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes << I'm a bit confused too. I'm still using my vtron.
16:26 mod6 mine does not do the graph-resolution as proposed by phf & esthlos.
16:36 asciilifeform mod6: i've been using my orig vtron all this time. but recently diana_coman & mircea_popescu prodded, 'what's yer excuse for not moved to modern keccak-v' and i had no good counter, it's really time, so nao gotta actually uncrate phf's and make it go
16:37 asciilifeform really the barbaric sha2 has lived out its life
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16:38 asciilifeform ( for that matter , i could use standalone keccaktron also, but dun recall whether we have one or it needs baking )
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17:40 phf asciilifeform: i have one, i use it for testing, but it's not particularly kosher, e.g. it uses Argument/Argument_Count etc. i'll post it in a bit, maybe you can rework it on your bench
17:41 phf theoretically one could just wire it into existing infra instead of sha512sum, get all the keccaking for free
17:47 asciilifeform phf: i'm not especially attached to my ancient v, it suffered from several obvious sharp edges
17:47 asciilifeform would rather switch wholesale to phf's, since it apparently performs to satisfaction of diana_coman
17:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854782 << i like his spirit lol
17:52 a111 Logged on 2018-09-26 20:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are very welcome. After the fucking two imports bullshit and first DHL flunky insisting on just getting a refund from Amazon, /dev/null is not an option
17:53 asciilifeform i'ma be quite impressed if he wrestles that crate from orchell
17:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854794 << this frog has been boiling for a while, hanbot had to redo genesis in like mayu
17:54 a111 Logged on 2018-09-26 20:37 asciilifeform: really the barbaric sha2 has lived out its life
17:56 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854738 << why not put it in manifest?
17:56 a111 Logged on 2018-09-26 18:48 asciilifeform: and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody )
17:57 asciilifeform hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851865 << thread
17:57 a111 Logged on 2018-09-19 17:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right now asciilifeform , diana_coman , errybody, has buncha vdiff laying around, not only on www but on own disks, and serious problem if gotta stab at it by hand erry time to see which it is.
17:57 asciilifeform tho possibly this was resolved, iirc phf's tool is able to eat old patches (with warning bell)
17:57 asciilifeform will see tonight
17:57 mircea_popescu and you can't put "this is keccak" in manifest because it has to get into the manifest through being in the filename, rather than just in the comment line ?
17:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly (see above) this is imagined headache, i'ma see
17:58 asciilifeform ideally i simply switch vtron to phf's and it's omnivorous.
17:58 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854699 << my favorite part of that cakewrecks site was all the "happy garaudashun!" cakes.
17:58 a111 Logged on 2018-09-26 17:35 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "black chix grauduate", https://image.ibb.co/fboGsU/grauduation.png
17:58 mircea_popescu heh
17:58 hanbot they'd put all this effort into elaborate cakes, fancy roses etc, but spelling is difficult, and looking shit up is too much effort.
17:59 hanbot i guess words are hard; buttercream is tasty.
18:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: prolly like most folx who actually work on proggies, asciilifeform has '9000' vtrees on various disk, on various boxen, that are in classical format, and many not even intended for publication, the ones that see daylight naturally will become newtype
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18:01 asciilifeform unlike some folx (as late as '16 some confessed to git ) asciilifeform does not use heathen versiontrons internally, strictly 100% v from aug '15
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18:02 hanbot asciilifeform perhaps this is an idiotic q, but why can't you use dir names/structures to distinguish "on sight"?
18:02 asciilifeform hanbot: cuz 9000 existing trees.
18:02 mircea_popescu thinking about this... i guess this, THIS is actually the very substantial difference. "words shouldn't be able to break my bones", ie, have any effect AT ALL. "here i am, and here's the ass, and the hole in it ; it works as it works and what do you mean contracts ?" readily unites http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853128 with http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-153.473-153.587 "abstract pri
18:02 a111 Logged on 2018-09-23 18:30 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in trilema spelunkology, anyone recall http://trilema.com/2013/ive-found-her/ ?
18:02 mircea_popescu nciples (ie, words) over people themselves!!" as well as http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ etc.
18:02 asciilifeform hanbot: and i haven't got a stable of slaves to sit down and convert'em
18:02 mircea_popescu the implication is simply -- "i do not need words for anything and why should you".
18:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is not a crime, you just have very bizarre approaches to interfacing, is all.
18:04 hanbot mircea_popescu quite. you oughta simply infer the meaning from its context! gargauntuation day!
18:04 mircea_popescu hahaha
18:04 mircea_popescu or rather, "she has rights", which means, no matter what the words say, if she dun like it the morning after "she was raped" and incamom will make it right
18:04 asciilifeform 'what do you mean, contracts' << recall hanbot's tale !
18:05 mircea_popescu amusingly, i am working on piece re the necessary benefits of uniting with africa. guy in 1850s intuited quite exacrtly this, "well... animals don't need most of what interests you for anything"
18:05 asciilifeform ( iirc hanbot's Dark Fyootoor Where Only War (tm) had planetary divide b/w 2 factions, 1 who believed in contract and other - not )
18:10 hanbot pretty much. i can see contracts mapping to rights as mouthed by they with no conception of what rights mean neatly.
18:11 mircea_popescu but how far this goes is breathtaking -- consider, luminaries such as tlp, at the edges arguing exactly that, "words shouldn't have power" ie http://trilema.com/2015/that-unpleasant-moment-when-principles-you-were-supporting-strictly-because-of-the-principle-of-the-thing-and-pointedly-not-because-of-the-convenient-manner-in-which-they-worked-upon-a-restr/#selection-89.0-89.50
18:11 asciilifeform oh hey dairy farm
18:12 mircea_popescu the more i think of it, the more i believe this to be the correct formulation. it's not merely, or specifically "me -- hither ; herd -- thither". it is quite specifically, and all-importantly : do words rule your worlds ? or do you expect "your world" to overpower my words ?
18:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall also 'the progre could not master speech'
18:16 mircea_popescu THAT is the underlying, "Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used." in http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#footnote_2_59725 ; that's WHAT "color of bits" is all about.
18:16 asciilifeform !#s progre
18:16 a111 37 results for "progre", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=progre
18:17 mircea_popescu the entire echafaudage of pantsuit is, in last examination, not so much an attempt to protect "the indolent from the active", nor (as separately seen), a guarantee to impotence for "ecology". but rather, jointly and singularly, pantsuitism is an attempt to protect the world from words.
18:18 mircea_popescu from end to end, this, the same stable this. from "i can not read this book, the words contradict" "psychopath!" to all the way, it's all the same fucking problem : programmable machine or boulder ?
18:19 mircea_popescu hanbot quite the fucking "inconsequential side comment" you got there!
18:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all pantsuit 'philosophy' in the end resolves to 'you say you have brain, but we have BIGGER BOULDER haha'
18:20 asciilifeform the 1 thing they've got, is an inexhaustible supply of idjits slinging boulders.
18:21 mircea_popescu as the garudushu.jpg clearly proves.
18:21 mircea_popescu i never saw brain that size before!
18:21 mircea_popescu so does the kuiper belt.
18:21 mircea_popescu gargauntuation day! << can't read that as simply "gargantuan" without "unction" squeezing its way in there. ewgh.
18:23 hanbot perhaps the bs was in crisco networking?
18:23 asciilifeform ahahahaha
18:24 asciilifeform btw hanbot didja know there is a 'sysco'
18:24 mircea_popescu jesus
18:24 asciilifeform and makes exactly this
18:24 hanbot asciilifeform the phud service item? i've seen the trucks, at least
18:24 asciilifeform aha, them. they supply the pig slop served in ameri-'food'
18:25 asciilifeform i could've sworn there was a mircea_popescu piece re subj
18:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform after the girls saw http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/ they identified sysco as the tricatel item, it's a constant butt of jokes.
18:26 asciilifeform yea i'd expect it'd be a subchapter of some foreign thing
18:26 asciilifeform pretty much 100% of profit centres in gringolandia, at this point, are
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20:00 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/occasional-didscourse-on-the-negro-question-1849/ << Trilema - Occasional Didscourse On The Negro Question, 1849
20:00 mircea_popescu aaahjahahaha.
20:00 mircea_popescu after all the grauduation stuff, DIDSCOURSE!
20:01 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/occasional-discourse-on-the-negro-question-1849/ << Trilema - Occasional Discourse On The Negro Question, 1849
20:04 hanbot didscourse and didn'tscourse!
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21:01 mod6 lol xxiii
21:02 mircea_popescu :D
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21:23 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf are http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ old-style or new-style vpatches ?? my vtron won't press'em, and there is no way to distinguish , nor anything in the post to indicate, unless i'm thick
21:23 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
21:27 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf nm, distinguished by hand... but my vtron doesn't verify the sigs (not immediately sure why) and mod6's -- sees only Leaf: vtools_vpatch_newline.vpatch (phf)
21:27 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
21:27 asciilifeform and yes i separated out the sha patches.
21:28 asciilifeform diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al -- plox to reveal what you pressed this tree with , thx
21:29 asciilifeform i'd like to press this thing and put it in service already...
21:31 asciilifeform ftr i tried mod6's 'Version: 99994 K', and my old workhorse v100.
21:32 mod6 99993 is latest
21:32 asciilifeform mod6: thing says '99994 K' in there.
21:33 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz << >> http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz.mod6.sig
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21:34 mod6 anyway, it's been a while, so I don't know for sure, but if memory serves, I believe his vtree is incompatible with my vtron, on the whole.
21:34 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/v_noworky.tar.gz << the complete tarball with both variants, patches, seals, .wot, my attempt thus far.
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21:34 mod6 one has to, again, if i remember correctly, remove some of the vpatches from the "right" side. or something to that effect, to press successfull.y
21:34 asciilifeform mod6: whose ~is~ it compat with ?!
21:34 asciilifeform yes i read the note, to remove the sha branch. did it.
21:34 asciilifeform still nodice.
21:35 mod6 im not positive, although, I think another troublesome one was hanbot's wp-mp, which BingoBoingo used esthlos' to press. i think.
21:35 mod6 BingoBoingo: is this right ^?
21:36 asciilifeform maybe i'm thick, and didn't shuffle correctly, or wat. phf can i persuade you to give a working recipe ??
21:36 mod6 asciilifeform: yeah, i dunno, it's been a while. i don't have time to tinker with it at the moment, gearing up for month end here.
21:36 asciilifeform mod6: i sat down and resolved to give diana_coman the promised item, but presently loox like won't happen tonight
21:37 asciilifeform unless i made an elementary mistake and somebody tells me what it was
21:37 mod6 Ok. What are we trying to do here? Just build vtools?
21:38 asciilifeform aha!
21:38 asciilifeform that very same.
21:38 mod6 lemme see
21:41 BingoBoingo mod6: iirc, buried in open tabs and notes on the import matter
21:41 mod6 Oh yeah, did we ever post that somewhere?
21:42 asciilifeform this thing is supposedly battlefield-ready, but presently loox to me like a ball of yarn for which no working build instruction is posted anywhere
21:45 mod6 so... is the goal here to build the sha256 stuff, or the keccak stuff?
21:45 asciilifeform keccak!!
21:45 asciilifeform y'know, thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854734
21:45 a111 Logged on 2018-09-26 18:46 diana_coman: asciilifeform, udp tester seems to be nicely running uk->uy and uy->uk so my next step on this will be to publish all the relevant code; since this is effectively on top of udplib, I'd patch it on your tree; mind moving it though to keccak?
21:45 mod6 aha, ok. in the past, i've alwasys built the sha256 stuff for my own purposes. let's see if i can get the keccak stuff build.
21:46 mod6 (I was just double checking here as to not waste time.)
21:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu & diana_coman specifically asked asciilifeform to rebake udp proggy in keccak.
21:46 asciilifeform for this, need keccak vtron. presently i dun have one.
21:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if i'm not mistaken, you built and used this thing? with what didja do it ?
21:53 asciilifeform loox like the matter may have to wait until the folx with working keccaktrons wake up and tell me what i'm missing.
21:54 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
21:54 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I used the esthlos thing.
22:03 trinque does it now properly verify hashes?
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22:06 mod6 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EItV0/?raw=true
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22:07 mod6 I took your tarball, dumped in the latest version of my vtron, dropped in the .wot (phf) and seals from what I had in my sandbox previously.
22:07 mod6 I used your patches, there are 8 of them, and I was able to press this fine.
22:08 mod6 but I only ended up with a 'vdiff' binary (maybe this is correct?)
22:08 mod6 the full vtree (with sha vpatches) totals 11. so ya, you must have removed them.
22:10 mod6 Alright, I guess the makefile doesn't build the vpatch binary by default, so I built it manually:
22:10 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ks4z7/?raw=true
22:11 mod6 lol, I don't know how to make it do stuff either, but I guess that's a different problem :]
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22:27 esthlos http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854912 << I plan to integrate Keccak into the thing this weekend. At that point it should be fully operational.
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22:27 a111 Logged on 2018-09-27 02:03 trinque: does it now properly verify hashes?
22:27 trinque fucking awesome.
22:28 trinque obviously I want such a vtron for the cuntoo final cut, or what's the use of the build process producing a vpatch
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23:22 BingoBoingo <trinque> does it now properly verify hashes? << I am still at the point where I hand read input, patch, and output
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