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09:48 diana_coman shrysr_: do me a favour and get rid of the https thing as it makes your blog inaccessible from anything other than my public-toilet computer so you're missing out on me commenting there.
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13:52 shrysr_ diana_coman: okay - there were plans to explore HTTPS -- i havent done so and don't understand why it is useless. My impression so far is that HTTPS is a protocol that encrypts the connection between the client and the server, and hence prevents anybody from 'intercepting' this 'connection' and acquiring access somehow to my vps.
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13:54 shrysr_ also wondering why my nick has an _ attached
13:59 shrysr_ as such happy to get rid of it simply beacuse you say so - i just have to figure out how.
14:01 asciilifeform shrysr_: search logs for 'pki'. ( summary : it's an elementary scam, enemy has master keys that make a joke of the supposed 'crypto' )
14:08 BingoBoingo http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-26#1000640 << The code necessary to get https is likely to contain leaks that allow reading the server's memory. Examples of this have been found numerous times in the past. See "Heartbleed" et al.
14:08 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-26 13:52:21 shrysr_: diana_coman: okay - there were plans to explore HTTPS -- i havent done so and don't understand why it is useless. My impression so far is that HTTPS is a protocol that encrypts the connection between the client and the server, and hence prevents anybody from 'intercepting' this 'connection' and acquiring access somehow to my vps.
14:08 asciilifeform these also.
14:09 asciilifeform 'openssl' is coupla MB of ??? liquishit 'obfuscated c' .
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14:28 asciilifeform shrysr_: see also e.g. thread
14:28 snsabot Logged on 2019-01-03 14:10:44 asciilifeform: stratum: given that the most active criminal is the nato reich itself, what exactly is the worth of pkiistic 'sekoority' where they have master key ?
14:28 shrysr_ thanks asciilifeform and BingoBoingo. also since 'pki' throws up stuff like 'napkin' - is there a way to narrow this down in the search?
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14:29 asciilifeform and .
14:29 snsabot Logged on 2018-09-12 10:30:41 asciilifeform: a major function of sslism is to hinder ~user~ from examining ~own~ packets. this must end.
14:30 asciilifeform shrysr_: quoted search is in the works, but not rolled out yet.
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15:15 shrysr_ Re: handbook of applied crypto -- the only purchase link appears to be https://www.crcpress.com/Handbook-of-Applied-Cryptography/Menezes-van-Oorschot-Vanstone/p/book/9780849385230 also appears there is no digital version etc. go ahead with this ?
15:16 shrysr_ doesnt seem available on the o'reilly portal either :(
15:20 diana_coman shrysr_: you can actually find the pdf of the book if you must
15:21 diana_coman re https, as asciilifeform and BingoBoingo said above; basically it's the type of thing that gives you the *impression* of security at the actual cost of exposing you to attacks that you are not even aware of (and making it even harder to protect yourself).
15:21 diana_coman it's not as much that it's "not working" - rather that it's not working *for* the one installing it on their site;
15:22 diana_coman shrysr_: re book let me know if you really can't find it.
15:23 diana_coman fwiw I have the hardback simply; bought it online iirc (possibly at bookdepository)
15:24 diana_coman esp ref books I find most useful in hard copy anyway.
15:24 shrysr_ i would prefer a hardcopy but as such try not to accumulate since i'm not settled and have to move n etc. ideally would prefer both.. this is really why i subscribed to o'reilly... seemed they had all the technical books worth reading. apparently not.
15:24 asciilifeform shrysr_: i'ma post a copy, gimme 5min
15:25 diana_coman shrysr_: I know that predicament but can't say I found a solution to it other than just still accumulating the books needed and then on moving day either paying to move them too or ...buying them again at new location (if still in print etc).
15:25 asciilifeform shrysr_: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/warez/vanstone.pdf
15:25 diana_coman thanks asciilifeform
15:25 asciilifeform np.
15:25 asciilifeform it's a late '90s edition iirc, but shouldn't matter .
15:26 diana_coman shrysr_: re your _ at nick - that's probably your client's config i.e. you got disconnected at some point, your old nick was still "busy" and so it reconnected as shrysr_ (and/or maybe failed to identify with nickserv on time)
15:26 diana_coman asciilifeform: mine is also 1997 iirc so I can confirm that's perfectly fine
15:27 asciilifeform diana_coman: my dead tree is circa '06 iirc but none of the added material is interesting imho.
15:27 shrysr_ :D thanks so much asciilifeform. diana_coman : ok.i will get started with the pdf for now and look into hardcopy options.
15:32 diana_coman shrysr_: I found it to be quite self-contained but do ping in here at least, if you find you still need something further anyway.
15:33 asciilifeform shrysr_: it's really an encyclopedia . reading scan will be somewhat painful, see if you can get a paper one somewhere .
15:35 diana_coman shrysr_: you might find it perhaps (and cheaper) as a 2nd hand copy; you don't need the latest edition anyway so...
15:38 shrysr_ yes..i will make it a point to ask henceforth in line with your comment. yea, the 2 hardcopies i have now - i was able to find 2nd hand on amazon itself... this book seemed totally absent. For deeper explorations - i've found in the hard way there is no point in bothering with a pdf type thingy.
15:38 asciilifeform shrysr_: it's handy for search, but otherwise yes i also prefer the dead tree
15:40 shrysr_ hehe back home i had a guy who'd get me almost any book... :( shd get out of my room now and then in canada.
15:45 diana_coman shrysr_: I just answered your comments on the blog but reading yours on data science it strikes me that you are in fact looking to acquire the basic (unknown/unclear to you, as yet) set of skills for data analysis?
15:48 shrysr_ Yes. data analysis extending to ML. I've been using the Introduction to Statistical Learning (ISL) - http://faculty.marshall.usc.edu/gareth-james/ISL/ for this. I can't say I've been consistent - but this has certainly improved over the last month or two.
15:52 diana_coman hm, when I hear "practical", "chokefull of examples of when to use" and "without needing a background in Maths" it rather raises alarm bells but I'll have a look through it.
15:52 shrysr_ Thats the hardcopy i purchased after MANY months wasted ...trying to find 'shortcuts'.. from whatever little i do understand - it is almost useless to not know what this book covers and more abt the algorithms used in ML ... but it seems that the vast majority of ppl do not bother and yet get jobs etc. I wanted to do it the right way.... and have spent a year at current mine with idealistic pursuits of
15:52 shrysr_ depth and 'real knowledge' .... which were still not executed well despite good intentions.
15:52 diana_coman this "statistical learning" also sounds like "we had to invent something so here's the name we came up with"
15:53 shrysr_ it sort of is so actually.
15:53 shrysr_ ML >> applied stats ?
15:54 diana_coman well, machine learning is an umbrella term for anything one wants really, from neural networks to backtracking prolog
15:56 diana_coman shrysr_: if you want to get employed by some company, you are probably better off figuring out the sort of talk they want to hear; sadly nowadays most "companies" are more about the talk than about the knowledge, hence a lot of your problems; they basically don't *want* you to know too much, it's too uncomfortable even
15:56 diana_coman if, on the other hand, you want to learn statistics, that's very well but not necessarily correlated to getting a job, for the reason above.
15:58 diana_coman when you actually know your stuff, you are "throwing the curve" aka making it harder for those knowing less to pass as very important and so... they won't like you, of course.
15:58 diana_coman knowing less but not wanting to put in the effort to actually know more, that's the rub.
16:00 diana_coman oh boy, 2 pages in and already deja-vu; /me perseveres.
16:06 shrysr_ well they wanna hear talk like 'docker' lol.. one sensible thing as a practical objective that I've seen is - build a portfolio of projects. Neednt even be fancy - but preferably aligned to what target company X does day to day. Especially for guys like me with a non computer-science background... added to which are the vacant stares when i talk about what i did. It happened last friday over a chat with an
16:06 shrysr_ 'IT' recruiter. This was my BEST effort in dumbing it ALLL down to almost meaningless explanations and yet.... the stare wouldnt leave her damn face in the video chat. that has happened even with mech engg / manufacturing companies...
16:07 diana_coman shrysr_: so make a list with the companies you are interested in; research each and see what they want; based on that you can then target specifically.
16:09 diana_coman just don't conflate the 2 basically; i.e. treat the learning as serious learning and the job-hunting as what it is - finding the salt-mine that still leaves you time and energy for learning while providing you with enough money to make it further.
16:10 diana_coman for that matter: what is it that you are actually looking for?
16:11 diana_coman in between: looking in the logs I realised I never got to see that encrypted thing you pasted on some site; was there something important in there/do you want to resend it pasted on p.bvulpes.com so I actually get to see it?
16:12 shrysr_ hmm.other than some test messages, I believe i shared my salary and the resume i'm using now so you'd know more abt me. I can resend that.
16:13 diana_coman shrysr_: go ahead, I'll have a look.
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16:29 shrysr_ diana_coman: https://s.ragavan.co/wp-content/uploads/Resume_Shreyas_Ragavan.pdf
16:32 shrysr_ that template is a 'magic' template guaranteed to make into the 'maybe' pile towards interviews as per https://www.datasciencedreamjob.com/ , which was the first ever thing I signed up for after deciding to pursue data science... i had followed the founder Kyle for a bit and thought he was good.... hes not bad - but i did not agree with his methodologies. Before this I had a rather verbose 2 page CV which
16:32 shrysr_ was not dumbed down.
16:37 shrysr_ hmm.. i had updated the links to my current WP website. looks like that version is at home. but there are no major changes.
16:37 diana_coman shrysr_: I suspect that you see it as dumbed down (and I get what you mean) while they still feel punched in the nose with a ton of hard bricks
16:37 diana_coman but more importantly, the trouble with "datasciencedreamjob" is that such a job is more likely to be a nightmare.
16:40 diana_coman shrysr_: out of curiosity: ever considered actually running your own business?
16:45 diana_coman shrysr_: re job in general, consider this - getting employed for a high salary means first of all that *they* have a higher claim to you (your time, your energy and you overall), that's all; it does *not* mean at all that you get to do interesting stuff or intelligently-stimulating environment or anything of the sort, not by or in itself; and moreover it doesn't mean something long-term either, a "career" or anything of the sort.
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16:46 shrysr_ yes... i realised that. by that point i was jobless for over 6 months and wanted to understand if I was doing something terribly wrong because ppl wdnt even call me for interviews... i found the DSDJ forum and the quality of advice given out was total shit, even as a beginner.... i myself started reviewing CV's of kidsand helping others fix their broken english fucked up resumes and setting an example...
16:46 shrysr_ not that my cv is perfect - but there were SO many that were SO much worse...... i guess he took the hint and started doing so himself. It wasn't totally useless... but there was a lot more crap than I could digest.
16:49 shrysr_ diana_coman: re my own business... yes. ultimately very much so. I recognised from my first paycheque and all subsequent jobs and companies that they dont care... i wanted to gather 'experience' and 'expertise' and believed I would just know when I was ready.
16:54 diana_coman well, BingoBoingo here just upped and moved from the US to Uruguay to start an ISP, you know? It's not like you can get experience at running a business by being an employee; what you can get is connections but those are context-dependent i.e. connections with Microsoft won't help you here (and probably the other way around).
16:57 diana_coman shrysr_: is the current employment place paying too little for where you are or what's exactly the change you want? at least until last week it seemed to be comfortable in that it left you with plenty of time and energy to actually do the things that matter otherwise (and this is rarer than you might think)
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16:58 shrysr_ http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-26#1000708 << I know what you mean. I don't expect a career from any soul sucking employer either... TBH - i just want a better baseline. i've shifted continents pursuing a fucking baseline.... there have been many days I've been reduced to tears trying to figure out wtf..... is it that I want something that doesnt exist. Am i fucking mentally ill.
16:58 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-26 16:45:59 diana_coman: shrysr_: re job in general, consider this - getting employed for a high salary means first of all that *they* have a higher claim to you (your time, your energy and you overall), that's all; it does *not* mean at all that you get to do interesting stuff or intelligently-stimulating environment or anything of the sort, not by or in itself; and moreover it doesn't mean something long-term either, a "career" or anything of the sort.
17:01 diana_coman what is "baseline" for you exactly?
17:10 diana_coman "is it that I want something that doesnt exist" - from what I saw of you so far I suspect it's something that exists but here, not there anymore; but the shape of what used to be is still there and at a superficial look passes (and claims to pass) for the real thing; it's a long thread this, you might want to come back to it at a later time for more.
17:11 shrysr_ http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-26#1000713 : after coming here I realised there are places where ppl are mostly uneducated and there are ppl on whom education is completely wasted. Volatile with no standards and who are accustomed to doing what they wish when they want to. As such there is no pressure... but business is Very slow atm, and suddenly turned focus to me.... i mostly get blank
17:11 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-26 16:57:55 diana_coman: shrysr_: is the current employment place paying too little for where you are or what's exactly the change you want? at least until last week it seemed to be comfortable in that it left you with plenty of time and energy to actually do the things that matter otherwise (and this is rarer than you might think)
17:11 shrysr_ stares from them when explaining what I am doing and why .... even had a stifled yawn once. Thats only on occassional discussions where I summon all my will power to convey progress report.....
17:13 diana_coman "there are ppl on whom education is completely wasted" - certainly true; and not a little thing to have truly figured out for yourself, either.
17:15 shrysr_ dont need to work with geniuses and sure there's plenty i learned here....and I've converted many opportunities in the past... and a little bit here. but this is a different hell altogether. Atm baseline might mean any where else lol. but a real definition would a place where I can stomach... and have enough $ to be comfortable and take care of my parents too... not that they need it at all. but still.
17:17 diana_coman shrysr_: ok, so what sort of place can you stomach? i.e. what is it that you *must* have? (for that matter: india should be quite cheap as living expenses esp if you can work remotely otherwise and get paid western salary, no?)
17:18 * diana_coman is refraining from overloading shrysr_ 's reading list, as each new reply pings another ref, really.
17:25 shrysr_ yes, much easier to do so on western salary in india. not that its cheap, like say indonesia or something (atleast that used to be the case when I was a kid idk now). there are other home advantages for that matter... like staying at my parents place. Abt a month ago i reconnected with a close friend who's a business head... he's extremely interested in setting up the analytics and backbone for his venture
17:26 shrysr_ related to 'easily getting loans'... i was almost ready to pack up and invest what little i had and take a shot.
17:29 diana_coman that sounds like the sort of thing that will eat you up entirely though, not exactly gaining your full independence but rather the very opposite of it
17:29 diana_coman but for that matter, why not invite the friend to make himself a rsa key and get in the wot, anyway?
17:29 diana_coman the "easily getting loans" though sounds more like a ...scam at base.
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17:29 shrysr_ LOL he is not a tehcnical guy at ALL.
17:30 shrysr_ no - my parents are pretty cool.... and there are still other options.... they've been setting up another place for 'retirement' anyway. i cd go there. lol.
17:31 shrysr_ he called his web platform on godaddy an analytics platform.
17:33 diana_coman shrysr_: I think you should really answer this btw: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929779
17:33 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-20 07:58:24 mp_en_viaje: shrysr, what the heck are you doing, anyways ?
17:35 shrysr_ i kindda saw that very late and did not know what to say.
17:35 diana_coman shrysr_: re independence it's not really to do with your parents directly; it's how you position yourself in there mainly; and possibly the overall environment esp if it sucks you in/drags you down some ways.
17:38 diana_coman shrysr_: as a rule if "do not know what to say" , the thing to do is to ...say that and ask for clarification re what the question is (or whatever it is that you don't get)
17:39 shrysr_ ok.
17:40 diana_coman re friend though, if his idea of a business involves a platform on godaddy, I'd advise to steer clear of it; not sure what "business head" that reflects either.
17:44 diana_coman shrysr_: re your "chasing the baseline" and the longer threads gently pulled at in all the above, there are lots of posts that you should gradually work your way to and will probably hit all sorts of nerves.
17:45 diana_coman but for just one distilled bit of a crucial part, read this short thread: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926660
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17:45 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-09 03:58:26 trinque: mp_en_viaje: if you were just cresting 7 fig in 2019 what would you throw yourself into?
17:45 shrysr_ re friend - he wanted to build a platform - but i meant that his technical / software knowledge is such that he was thinking that gettting an email notification from a form on his website hosted on godaddy already meant he had stepped into analytics. the business is already up and running since a while.... the platform is to fuel 'expansion' and setup a real system... etc.
17:52 diana_coman shrysr_: does that make any sense to you?
18:03 * diana_coman will be back tomorrow
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18:39 shrysr_ http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-26#1000729 << well - i believe to a good extent atleast - very likely. because he uses contacts to sanction loans that don't get sanctioned by normal channels, and also has no accountability. There were several 'good selling points' in the pitch, but the fact of the matter is that most guys in a country like india think that ppl out west earn truck loads and
18:39 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-26 17:29:53 diana_coman: the "easily getting loans" though sounds more like a ...scam at base.
18:39 shrysr_ are awesome targets for investments atleast. I was viewing it only from the perspective of an opportunity to setup a platform..... my dads first reaction was the same as yours and his advice was to use it as a project and not get involved until an absolutely lucid picture was available... i had to concede that it made more sense than going back.
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19:03 shrysr_ http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-26#1000741 << it does, especially the part about power and hanging out with cool ppl. I guess I would not define cool the same way though I see what is meant. The baseline pursual across continents was about hanging out with cool(er) ppl and work ethics. i.e it was not 'money driven' at all, because the assumption in general (still is) that the money would
19:03 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-26 17:45:48 diana_coman: but for just one distilled bit of a crucial part, read this short thread: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926660
19:03 shrysr_ take care of itself if other fundamentals were done right. That being said - i had to fight for all the 'raises' i got despite explicit evidence of results.
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