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00:47 mats inspired by mocky, http://matshome.net/2019/01/the-ice40-saga
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01:19 mircea_popescu mazel tov.
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01:45 mats and a special thanks to phf for his great www logger! i use it every other day
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03:29 mircea_popescu i use it every day lol.
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08:45 asciilifeform trinque: deedbot down ?
08:49 asciilifeform meanwhile, in heathendom oddities, https://archive.is/pTck2
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10:30 asciilifeform mats: neat overview, in the style of 'why ada'
10:31 asciilifeform mats: i haven't built anyffing useful from ice40 with own hands yet. but, interestingly, when bought a 'scsi2sd' device for replacing disk in bolix box, found that author in fact used ice40 for the job
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10:52 trinque I've noticed some problems with tls connections on openbsd using sbcl and cl+ssl, here and elsewhere actually.
10:52 trinque probably the thing to do is a) rip out the tls part and b) get deedbot hosted on cuntoo
11:07 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-mulling-90s-crypto-style-export-controls-on-ai-technology/ << Qntra -- USG Mulling 90's Crypto Style Export Controls On "AI Technology"
11:15 asciilifeform trinque: iirc the tls crapola is only there because fleanode went full tard coupla yrs back and demands it for nick auth
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11:16 asciilifeform ( plox to correct if i'm mistaken here )
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11:36 asciilifeform trinque: hm, apparently i was wrong about this, it only demands sslism if yer using cloaks
11:38 asciilifeform if one absolutely insists on that feature, prolly Right Thing would be to patch bot so can hang off a znc ( i tried this with own hands, but failed, the existing item is apparently tailored to fleanode-direct connection )
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11:40 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the 'export ban' list is a hilarious read. ~nothing is ever removed from it, most of the thing was written in '80s-90s, and contains such items as fpga (afaik none are made in usa or have ever been, but somehow this dun stop the clowns) , and in practice seems to be used as 'lettre de cachet' against undesirables.
11:43 asciilifeform (for instance, not only 'buy in china, sell to france, while using reich bank' counts as 'export', but usg subjects physically getting up off arse and moving to wherever and working on 'controlled tech' also counts, etc)
11:54 BingoBoingo Well, sure. Thing starts as an ego inflation exercise: "Can't export because SOMOS NUMERO 1" Y despues ObamArgentina goes from un pais rico en Thalers Alemman to incapacity to export soy.
11:56 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in local news (Malvin again): https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/robo-en-medio-de-ano-nuevo-y-la-llamada-al-911-cronica-de-futbolista-de-wanderers-201912104932
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12:33 asciilifeform in other noose, earlier this wk , asciilifeform tried to repeat http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2906 test , but using 'gmp', the 'uncut' version of koch's thing, with asmism etc. but lo and behold, it is apparently impossible to repeat the full test battery, because :
12:33 asciilifeform https://gmplib.org/manual/Integer-Exponentiation.html#Integer-Exponentiation >> 'void mpz_powm_sec (mpz_t rop, const mpz_t base, const mpz_t exp, const mpz_t mod) ... It is required that exp > 0 and that mod is odd.'
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12:33 asciilifeform apparently Only A Terrorist (tm) would want to raise number to ~even~ power.
12:34 asciilifeform ( i.e. loox like they use montgomery's algo. )
12:36 asciilifeform fwiw ordinary (no attempt at constanttime on their end) mpz_powm() , gives 0.005s . (so the asm does help'em.)
12:36 asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/00ooZ/?raw=true << sores.
12:37 mircea_popescu for the record, https://archive.vn/pTck2 is exactly rude and nude http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-239.0-261.20
12:37 asciilifeform guten tag, mircea_popescu !
12:37 mircea_popescu if you get rid of the lower bottom, thus and therefore averages climb.
12:37 mircea_popescu heya alfie.
12:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc auschwitz also had 'elixir of youth' effect on the folx who were still movin' in '45
12:38 mircea_popescu you know ? "i wonder how come all holocaust survivors live so long".
12:38 asciilifeform ditto gulag
12:39 mircea_popescu "i also wonder why all these rich folks gather round and laugh their asses at us, the goddess' chosen folk, all the damn time"
12:39 asciilifeform to the point that some folx used expression 'so-and-so was mothballed' (i.e. 'in conservation')
12:39 BingoBoingo Same thing happens with many cultivated plants. Application of the right and grave trauma (repeatedly in the case of fruit trees) does all sorts of wonders
12:39 asciilifeform ( the gulag folx chalked it up to 'lack of vodka' for the most part tho )
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12:41 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that's the usual heathen hypothesis (aka 'hormesis'). mircea_popescu seems to favour the other one (and seems moar plausible to asciilifeform) , where straight 'burn-in test'
12:42 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, could be a little bit of both
12:42 asciilifeform could; i have nfi.
12:43 BingoBoingo Growing tomatoes back home the biggest bitch and mortality sink was hardening off the indoor started seedlings.
12:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883857 << i suspect you might be able to get a plain connection going ; worth checking.
12:43 a111 Logged on 2019-01-02 16:15 asciilifeform: trinque: iirc the tls crapola is only there because fleanode went full tard coupla yrs back and demands it for nick auth
12:43 mircea_popescu meanwhile in older lulz : https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160603/11581934617/fbi-sends-computer-information-collected-hacking-tools-unencrypted-form-over-open-internet.shtml
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12:43 BingoBoingo Plants tend to be huge pussies indoors. The survivors tended to do pretty well.
12:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have plain old tcp with 'pehbot' ( via trinque's cl proggy )
12:44 asciilifeform it dun use cloaks tho
12:44 mircea_popescu well, cloaks don't work in any absolute sense, anyway.
12:44 asciilifeform they're decorative, imho.
12:45 asciilifeform i dun see what, if anything, is lost if they were thrown.
12:45 mircea_popescu that they are. i mean nothing wrong with having, and it's an achievement for say nicoleci to get herself one ; but i wouldn't base design decisions on them.
12:45 asciilifeform aha
12:46 mircea_popescu anyway, what's the idea, nickserv rejects your call if un"encrypted" ?
12:46 asciilifeform iirc strictly if using cloaks.
12:47 trinque afaik they're just displaying the rdns in deedbot's case, isn't a cloak
12:47 trinque but yep, will get a build out without sslism and see what happens.
12:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883866 << it says the ~mod~ has to be odd, not the exp. the exp nonzero.
12:51 a111 Logged on 2019-01-02 17:33 asciilifeform: https://gmplib.org/manual/Integer-Exponentiation.html#Integer-Exponentiation >> 'void mpz_powm_sec (mpz_t rop, const mpz_t base, const mpz_t exp, const mpz_t mod) ... It is required that exp > 0 and that mod is odd.'
12:51 mircea_popescu patch out the test, i guess. they're "clever" like that.
12:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: montgomery demands that mod an' exp be ~coprime~
12:54 asciilifeform how they enforce this, is apparently like this
12:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i didnt try patching out the test ( given as it's got montgomery, the answer will be soup ) but did try for odd exp, got ~same~ as for the nonconstanttime gmp knob ( which is pretty hilarious, means that they dun do anything differently for 'constant time' variant, evidently )
12:56 asciilifeform at some point if i can be arsed to read their sores, will find out what, specifically.
12:57 asciilifeform the 'uncut' gmp is not afaik used anywhere in our mechanisms, with the exception of phuctor, where a (patched) variant is used for bernsteinization
12:58 mircea_popescu that's what i mean, they're "clever"
12:59 asciilifeform at some point i'ma do the bernsteinizer in straight asm. ( but this is ~9000th on the list of things-to-do atm )
13:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883888 << the sores of the boobytrap leaked same yr, it was mightily disappointing ( no fancy trojan, but instead a little thing that sent back victim's external ip / winblowz ver / nic addr / etc, sorta like what microshit itself sends out when winblowz crash )
13:10 a111 Logged on 2019-01-02 17:43 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in older lulz : https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160603/11581934617/fbi-sends-computer-information-collected-hacking-tools-unencrypted-form-over-open-internet.shtml
13:11 asciilifeform these, apparently, counted as 'evidence'
13:23 mircea_popescu aha.
13:24 mircea_popescu i think of the various strange ideas you started off with, this "hitler is intellectually respectable, does great magicks" thing fared the worst.
13:26 asciilifeform eh the notion there from start was 'goodstuff is used sparingly'. but i've nfi where used.
13:27 asciilifeform imho e.g. diddled pgp rng, is moar interesting than firefucks buffer overrun, the latter is used 9000/d but for whom is used the former i have nfi, it hasn't publicly leaked.
13:29 mircea_popescu it's a democracy, dood, it has no conception of hierarchy.
13:29 asciilifeform it imho makes sense tho that the most idiotic/bruteforce-powered ( per naggum's http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-265.249-265.730 formulation ) usgisms, also leak the most .
13:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: bureaucracy very much has concept of hierarchy tho.
13:30 mircea_popescu not at all.
13:31 asciilifeform ok i cannot resist to bite; how does this work
13:31 asciilifeform we're still talkin' of same thing, neh ? brit-style military bureaucracy. 9000 titles, chains of command, rigour 'to point of rigour mortis' ... neh ?
13:32 mircea_popescu no, we're talking of "we're all in this together and women may even be a part of it and we're not even gonna call them tailhookers, invent pompous nonsense like 'hr' and seat everyone at a table" bs.
13:33 asciilifeform this -- exists
13:33 mircea_popescu brit thing entirely unrelated to this.
13:33 mircea_popescu xx could at the very most be secretary.
13:33 asciilifeform it also seems to coexist with a cohort of folx hired in '60,70s,80s, greybeards, who actually built some working stuff
13:33 mircea_popescu so yes, implicit notion of hierarchy, xy > xx. no more than that, not really, but some hierarchy, no matter how fducking stupid, still beats none.
13:34 asciilifeform granted, scythe of 'father time' does impose an asymptotic bound on the whole thing. eventually usg will be 100% resemble staff of arsebook, google, etc, then curtain call.
13:35 asciilifeform atm it's some (unknown to me) % chetty's gen.
13:35 mircea_popescu hey, "nobody watches pulp fiction because [some anon schmuck claimed she was raped by] Weinstein", i actuallty heard this said (by some girly who never saw any movie worth the mention in her ~~~entire~~~ coupla decades. they say this, too, like it's a thing. "my whole life". )
13:36 mircea_popescu meanwhile, the last time anything worth watching had anyone from our colonies involved was... about then.
13:37 asciilifeform for asciilifeform , hollywood began (and mostly ended) with those bootleg vhs cassettes in 1990.
13:37 mircea_popescu cuz that is the fucking job of the producer, i don't care what "american moron's association" "trade practices" are. as long as it's a set, and something'\s shooting, the producer's job is to rape the talent.
13:37 asciilifeform iirc he even gets specially-issued leather couch for this
13:38 asciilifeform ( in turn designed by freud... )
13:38 mircea_popescu preferably on-cam. the fundamental moment of cinema is when mr talking potatohead whips out a home-brought stick of butter and unexpectedly buttseks maria schneider over her amazed surprise. naught else.
13:39 mircea_popescu comfortable people don't do things worth watching.
13:39 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In their dreams, that's San Fernando. Hollywood jacks off into plants nowadays, per Miramax.
13:42 asciilifeform btw in other gmp lib lullities, https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2018/12/31/1
13:43 asciilifeform ( tldr : gmp not only relies on 'assert's to barf on various 'prohibited' conditions like even moduli, but barfs coredump ~with seekritz~ and ~cannot be switched off~ )
13:49 asciilifeform imho it's pretty hilarious, that the heathens think they have 'crypto libs' that 'work'
13:57 mircea_popescu what's hilarious is the ever-present http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/#selection-154.0-157.103 whereby they'll imaginarily seat themselves in my seat and start spewing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349 slash assorted nonsense about "homebrew crypto" lalala.
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13:57 a111 Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
13:57 mircea_popescu AS FUCKING IF it is or ever could be the case ~they're~ the mp of this world or something.
13:58 mircea_popescu they've got a gpgcrash, a bitcoincrash, an everythingcrash. why don't you care!!!
13:58 asciilifeform it's the same old http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 algo, 4evah, neh
13:58 a111 Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
13:59 mircea_popescu here, have a recent sample : AL_GA_Peach 26F Exploring "The message literally cuts off after whatever it is you’re. I don’t know not having all of the information is a mark against my intelligence but okay."
13:59 asciilifeform lol , 9000th ipnoje victim ?
14:00 mircea_popescu moar like 900`000th, but yeah.
14:00 asciilifeform curious, turdroid behave same ? or in fact displays ?
14:00 mircea_popescu "do we already have to DO this" conversation whereby who the fuck told mary sue moron she's the center of the world ?
14:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's the app, not the platform.
14:00 asciilifeform aaa!
14:01 asciilifeform until nao i had nfi there were ~app~ lol
14:01 mircea_popescu doh.
14:01 asciilifeform i thought it was a www '2.0' thingie
14:01 mircea_popescu what do you think all those "jobs" out there are made out of.
14:02 mircea_popescu biquarterly i get a "but mp, you know how you could really improve trilema readership ?! MAKE IT AN APP!!!" "why ?" "because i have unexamined headcockroaches about the influence, importance and interest of social media" "how about we put your cunt on your linkedin and see how long until someone says something ?" "FAPFAPFAPFAP"
14:03 mircea_popescu then the INSTANTLY!!!!! turns into minutes, that turn into long hours and longer days, weeks and whatever, eventually the idea forms in the precious cuntlet's brainbox that no, just because she's never heard anyone call her stupid before dun mean jack ; and all this "consensus" of silence is in the end exactly that : a consensus OF SILENCE.
14:04 asciilifeform what 'jobs' made of << i'm still stuck in 1990s, where they're 'made of' winblowz bugs..
14:04 mircea_popescu yes well.
14:05 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 << oblig vintagelul
14:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re 'homebrew crypto', there actually was a 1990s plague of commercial shitware folx who flunked arithmetic and then went to 'implement rsa', with exponent = 1 and so on
14:16 asciilifeform ( the punchline is that koch, ssl, etc are ~in this set~ )
14:18 mircea_popescu yeah, and their name is collectively "koch" and "the gnu foundation"
14:18 mircea_popescu right.
14:18 asciilifeform there's 4 or 5 'libs' in common use (depending on whether count microshit's)
14:19 asciilifeform on top of these, 4 or 5 iron 'libs' ('smartcards', etc), where even sadder algos in use
14:23 asciilifeform i've actually found decent (not constant time, but didn't need, it only checked sigs) rsatrons in malware samples -- kB or so of asm. it aint exactly mystery, how to bake
14:23 asciilifeform the only folx for whom 'mystery' and 'requires' 50,000 ln of overflowlang -- are koch et al
14:27 mircea_popescu the L crowd.
14:38 mircea_popescu in other lulz, firefox zoom is GLOBAL. not per-tab. GLOBAL. holy shit what.
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14:53 asciilifeform zoom?!
14:54 mircea_popescu yeah.
14:55 asciilifeform in other heathendom lulzies, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mkN7r/?raw=true
15:04 diana_coman ahahah, the intro there sounds like the typical school composition
15:09 asciilifeform came with buncha 'sample' dox crapola, but near as i can tell it's a snoar
15:15 diana_coman trinque, how's it going with getting the Cuntoo .vpatch in fixed shape?
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16:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this entire, "anonymous" "deep web" etc is the cowboy hat and snap toy pistol of the 2010s.
16:27 mircea_popescu anyone even remembers those things ? long strip of ticker tape rolled up, with spots of gunpowder or w/e, phosphorus in the middle, pistol had a hammer that fell on the spot made some noise and some smoke.
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16:27 mircea_popescu VERY AUTHENTIC
16:30 BingoBoingo I remember. They started to disappear from retail something around second grade when anything that wasn't Chicom plastic got purged from the walmart toy shelves
16:31 BingoBoingo There were indeed plastic versions for short time
16:32 mircea_popescu "too violent" or w/e, "insufficiently respectful of the cunt worlview"
16:32 BingoBoingo Well near the end they also switched from tape to rings of 8 charges
16:33 mircea_popescu the only problem is, kids running around with popguns are VERY easy for me to ignore -- witness the 0 import or effect of all the "bust a cap in yo ass" nigglet morons.
16:33 mircea_popescu so it'd have been preferable if retarded cuntspawn spent its days with THAT, rather than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838623
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16:33 a111 Logged on 2018-08-01 03:03 douchebag: I'm in AT&T Hall of Fame
16:34 mircea_popescu #MoreRapLessCode ploxthx.
16:35 BingoBoingo Granted this was also the time fireworks went from roughly what the Latinos get today to something that required crossing the state line into Missouri for anything other than pussy sparklers and popcaps
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17:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883983 << i defo had various as a boy
17:00 a111 Logged on 2019-01-02 21:27 mircea_popescu: anyone even remembers those things ? long strip of ticker tape rolled up, with spots of gunpowder or w/e, phosphorus in the middle, pistol had a hammer that fell on the spot made some noise and some smoke.
17:00 asciilifeform in '80s su they were obv. theatrics, but allegedly in earlier times they were sometimes made from 'de-mil' actual pistol.
17:01 asciilifeform ( and even the theatrics, tended to be made of cast iron and quite realistic in mass, if not function )
17:01 asciilifeform the spring in toy 'nagant' notably, was quite possibly stiffer than in actual nagant which i fired many yrs later
17:06 asciilifeform https://archive.vn/xJRzH << famous piece on subj (ru)
17:09 asciilifeform 'i remember all of my pistols. there wasn't a single one that i hadn't blown out my brains with at least once. we used to shoot ourselves often in those days. pistols and revolvers were indispensable toybox inventory, all kinds : on batteries, with buzzing motors inside, of tin, stinking of burned popgun ribbon, ones that merely snapped, emitted at least a clanking sound, and silent ones, where the throat was called upon to imitate t
17:09 asciilifeform he report. from the age of five, i knew what is 'last round' -- the little shining key that opens in your skull (or heart, tastes vary) the door to soviet Valhalla. the pistol always seems to me not simply a personal, but an intimate weapon, a tuning fork by which one measured resolve: put its barrel to your noggin, and think, will you be able to pull the trigger when the right time comes ? the warring motherland , surrounded by foes
17:09 asciilifeform , prepared her sons for officer duty from early childhood' etc
17:10 asciilifeform ( followed by discussion of particulars, but imho this suffices for thread )
17:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883990 << fwiw i dun distinguish the 2 kabikus, both -- snoar from asciilifeform's pov
17:15 a111 Logged on 2019-01-02 21:33 mircea_popescu: so it'd have been preferable if retarded cuntspawn spent its days with THAT, rather than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838623
17:15 asciilifeform *kabukis
17:22 mircea_popescu if nothing else the "online" is unhealthy.
17:22 mircea_popescu but there's more to it -- running around the hillside belongs in the fucking hillside, i'll just not camp there.
17:23 asciilifeform this yes. popgun kid annoys only own mother and perhaps neighbours. 'eternal september' kid, annoys '9000' with erry pop
17:24 mircea_popescu so there you go.
17:24 mircea_popescu besides, should fucking annoy her ; otherwise she'll want another.
17:25 mircea_popescu historically childbearing worked essentially as ~punishment~, which is a point readily elided by modern clueless schmucks.\
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17:50 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-september-and-october-1715-part-i/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of September and October, 1715 - Part I.
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19:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu & other 'gnu screen' people -- anybody recall how to switch the thing to vt220 ?
19:00 asciilifeform the docs are shite
19:01 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform is, shit thee not, engentooating a dec alpha )
19:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform look into termcap macro thingee
19:02 asciilifeform yea digging into that pile o'shit atm
19:02 asciilifeform was hoping there was a simple 'vt220 rightnao' flag i overlooked.
19:03 mircea_popescu iirc it does vt100 nartively, believe it or not.
19:03 asciilifeform 100 errybody does
19:03 asciilifeform dec otoh wanted to be speshulsnowflake and their firmware console is... vt220
19:04 mircea_popescu i suspect a large part of why i like it is that i never run into this kinda problem. i had to futz about ansi terminal standards literally never.
19:04 asciilifeform oh metoo
19:04 asciilifeform i only run into this when i pull ancient cursed irons from the dark depths.
19:05 asciilifeform i dunthink classic dec had this horror either (who the fuq! needs colour blinkies in a bios setup?!) , it's a post-compaq-acquisition box
19:05 asciilifeform ( sadly all the fast 'alphas' are )
19:06 mircea_popescu people got really excited about the whole tv txt mode or w/e that was called
19:07 mircea_popescu "i know, minitel worked so well, let's emulate it!"
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19:38 asciilifeform for fucks sake, 1h later, still no go, not with 'screen', not with 'minicom', nuffin.
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20:18 asciilifeform aaand got vt200ism to ~work -- but for display only. arrow keys still do nuffin. hence cannot toggle knobs.
20:19 asciilifeform open sores ftw.
20:24 asciilifeform aaand console, gentoo boots.
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20:45 mircea_popescu impressive
20:46 mircea_popescu wait, is this gentoo or cuntoo ?
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21:01 mod6 How goes tmsr~? I ~think~ that I have a working wp-mp now. I've converted over my most recent blog post about diana_coman's V Genesis. If you see something broken, or similar please let me know.
21:01 mod6 http://blog.mod6.net
21:07 mod6 Also, the latest Bitcoin Foundation report was published to the ML: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-January/000321.html
21:07 mod6 Mainly outlines what's up next for me in January.
21:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: vintage gentoo, for smoketest, afaik there is not currently a cuntoo for dec
21:19 asciilifeform aalso i spoke too soon, it stops mid through boot, dun see cd drive.
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22:28 mircea_popescu i thought that was the substance of teh announcement :p
22:29 asciilifeform lol no announcement, moar of live microphone.
22:36 asciilifeform meanwhile, in heathen oddities, https://astr0baby.wordpress.com
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