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00:19 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755741 << I have been fighting stuck/slow transactions more frequently in the past month, leading to the last week where I have been completely unable to get connected nodes to take my txn.
00:19 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 02:17 ben_vulpes: phf: well i'd like to get something out of trb that i can dump into a txrelayulator
00:20 trinque the version number appears to be a factor which ends up isolating trb nodes, hypothesis being that the version number being set high invites nodes to insult the malleus patch.
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00:21 trinque my own nodes have begun lagging far behind the chain tip, other folks report the same.
00:23 trinque for now, I can report that setting the version number to 50400, a trb node will catch back up, txns will unstick.
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00:23 trinque not a proposal for action, but those are my observations.
00:31 mircea_popescu there was a lot of spam pre block 500k.
00:32 mircea_popescu may alsoi be a factor.
00:32 trinque was on 50000x, within 10 or so of top now, after version change and restart.
00:33 trinque prior to that the lag was increasing every time I checked.
00:34 * trinque will be comparing multiple test subjects.
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00:35 trinque and there's 500358
00:35 trinque ah, and 9. topped out.
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08:29 BingoBoingo Spanish test a success. Was a wonderful opportunity to get forced into a prolongued stretch of not head translating. Thankfully the test was very patient and ergonomic.
08:30 * BingoBoingo may have cheated a bit on the test leaning on the whole "animal magnetism" applied Trilema business.
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08:30 BingoBoingo The accent on the test though, the single most challenging encountered so far.
08:36 BingoBoingo Cada dia, hacer algo por su Trilema. Lo trabaja cuando vos trabajas
08:48 diana_coman congrats BingoBoingo
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09:28 BingoBoingo tyvm
09:29 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
09:29 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16329.54, vol: 21602.60607456 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16248.0, vol: 59133.22186753 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16022.0, vol: 4129.91578854 | Volume-weighted last average: 16257.7579482
09:32 * BingoBoingo also this morning returned to the consultora to sign more forms on the road to having a bank account.
09:33 BingoBoingo And the data center has sent draft contracts to review
09:36 BingoBoingo Y en otra inglesas: "In other news, The Times reported that, for the first time in modern history, no Royal Navy fighting ships – destroyers, frigates, amphibious assault ships or carriers – would be operating away from Britain over Christmas and New Year."
09:37 BingoBoingo Inglaterra es un pais pobre
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09:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755775 << i dug into this item last yr, and found that the version thing is mostly a red herring : when you set 50400, the same derps drop ~you~, a millisecond or so sooner than you would've dropped ~them~ via malleus. the real culprit is always http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702558 .
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09:52 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 05:20 trinque: the version number appears to be a factor which ends up isolating trb nodes, hypothesis being that the version number being set high invites nodes to insult the malleus patch.
09:52 a111 Logged on 2017-08-23 13:09 asciilifeform: the reason why mike_c's node appears 'stalled' is that it stopped fetching blocks. trb's block sync behaviour is unspeakably moronic, it will attempt 'long sync' ONCE, on warmup
09:53 asciilifeform aside from brief period at bootup, a trb node DOES NOT TRY TO SYNC AT ALL, passively waits for someone to come and feed it. forever.
09:57 asciilifeform concretely : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1621858
09:57 a111 Logged on 2017-03-04 00:52 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1364 and http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1735 are the only times a trb node asks for blocks explicitly from peer
09:58 asciilifeform + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1621865 , and really whole thread worth reviewing.
09:58 a111 Logged on 2017-03-04 00:55 asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu , as you can probably tell, if node misses the window when $block was being actively thrown at it, then it has only these two knobs for attempting to get it
09:59 asciilifeform so trinque , yer node synced on account of being reset. as in more or less every previous case of 'my node stalled, i changed knob K, and reset, and bam! , synced , knob K must be reason' -- it's the reset.
10:04 asciilifeform i'ma put this in the l0gz, ftr :
10:04 asciilifeform the ONLY 2 times PushGetBlocks is called ( i.e. to explicitly ASK a peer for new blocks ) is :
10:05 asciilifeform 1) inside if (strCommand == "version") { .... that is , command processor for peer's commands :
10:05 asciilifeform // Ask the first connected node for block updates
10:05 asciilifeform static int nAskedForBlocks;
10:05 asciilifeform if (!pfrom->fClient &&
10:05 asciilifeform (pfrom->nVersion < 32000 || pfrom->nVersion >= 32400) &&
10:05 asciilifeform (nAskedForBlocks < 1 || vNodes.size() <= 1))
10:05 asciilifeform {
10:05 asciilifeform nAskedForBlocks++;
10:05 asciilifeform pfrom->PushGetBlocks(pindexBest, uint256(0));
10:05 asciilifeform }
10:06 asciilifeform the very FIRST connected peer who issues 'version' gets asked to help sync. and when THAT connection breaks -- that's it.
10:06 asciilifeform 2) inside the bastardry handler, in ProcessBlock(...) :
10:07 asciilifeform // If don't already have its previous block, throw it out!
10:07 asciilifeform if (!mapBlockIndex.count(pblock->hashPrevBlock))
10:07 asciilifeform {
10:07 asciilifeform printf("ProcessBlock: BASTARD BLOCK, prev=%s, DISCARDED\n", pblock->hashPrevBlock.ToString().substr(0,20).c_str());
10:07 asciilifeform
10:07 asciilifeform // Ask this guy to fill in what we're missing
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10:07 asciilifeform if (pfrom)
10:07 asciilifeform pfrom->PushGetBlocks(pindexBest, pblock->hashPrevBlock);
10:07 asciilifeform
10:07 asciilifeform return true;
10:07 asciilifeform }
10:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1621894 << see detailed discussion.
10:07 a111 Logged on 2017-03-04 01:11 asciilifeform: note that ProcessBlock() only ever asks ~the bastard-supplying peer~ for the bastard's prevblock.
10:08 asciilifeform apologies for the clutter, but this item really ought to live in the permarecord.
10:08 asciilifeform because it is imho a major open problem .
10:11 asciilifeform much of what the 'power rangers' did to their bitcoin, was an elaborate dance around this problem, with a dozen pseudosolutions that guzzled memory, and -- more importantly -- destroyed the integrity of their sync ( the orphanage bullshit, the headers-first bullshit , etc )
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10:32 shinohai !!up andreiislost
10:32 deedbot andreiislost voiced for 30 minutes.
10:36 BingoBoingo !!Up freetlas
10:36 deedbot freetlas voiced for 30 minutes.
10:37 BingoBoingo freetlas: Habla! Quien es tu papa y Que lo hace el?
10:39 freetlas BingoBoingo: Mark? Is it you?
10:40 BingoBoingo Quien es Mark?
10:40 freetlas Zuckerberg
10:40 BingoBoingo Yo soy El senor Bingo de los Republica.
10:41 BingoBoingo !!up mquander
10:41 deedbot mquander voiced for 30 minutes.
10:41 BingoBoingo freetlas: Quien es vos?
10:41 freetlas I have not the least doubt it
10:41 BingoBoingo Y mquander, Quien es vos?
10:43 freetlas I am an individual who sometimes reads trilema
10:44 mircea_popescu ello freetlas
10:45 freetlas i mircea_popescu
10:45 mircea_popescu no, i mircea_popescu ; you freetlas
10:45 freetlas lol
10:46 freetlas make sense
10:46 BingoBoingo Te registra una llave con deedbot de el senor trinque
10:47 mircea_popescu registra-te
10:47 mircea_popescu imperative reverts
10:47 BingoBoingo Ah, gracias
10:47 BingoBoingo That would explain a bit
10:47 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/12/21/bitcoin-year-in-review-2017/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Bitcoin Year-In-Review 2017
10:49 freetlas I wish I knew how Spanish grammar works
10:50 BingoBoingo The only way to really learn is to move, live among the locals, then report back to one's betters
10:50 mod6 <+asciilifeform> apologies for the clutter, but this item really ought to live in the permarecord. << thanks for posting this.
10:53 freetlas BingoBoingo: I do speak Spanish, but I do not know rules. Do you have an Uruguayan accent?
10:54 mircea_popescu or rather an uruguashan accent.
10:54 BingoBoingo freetlas: Not yet. But I am starting to get a hang of ll y Y sound like Shhhh
10:54 BingoBoingo lol
10:54 freetlas Damn
10:55 mircea_popescu it's funny how ll works as j[olly]j[oker] : it's sh in the south, moves to g in colombia, it's y normally...
10:56 freetlas mircea_popescu: You have an Argentine accent, don't you?
10:56 BingoBoingo When Colombians pass through the hostel though, very easy accent for my ears to process.
10:56 mircea_popescu nah.
10:56 mircea_popescu i deliberately avoided adapting to the idiots.
10:56 freetlas mircea_popescu: be honest. DOn't be ashamed lol
10:56 mircea_popescu normally i'm a total phonetic slut, but in this case i made an effort.
10:56 BingoBoingo freetlas: mircea_popescu has a Roman accent
10:57 mircea_popescu can't learn the accent of a despised herd of subhuman filth.
10:57 freetlas BingoBoingo: It is. I mean, there are more than 4 different accents in Colombia.
10:58 BingoBoingo freetlas: I man the accent on the columbians con dinera sufficient por vacacciones en Pocitos, Montevideo
10:58 BingoBoingo *dinero
10:58 mircea_popescu dinero lol. it's not like plata.
10:58 mircea_popescu aha.
10:58 freetlas gonna say the same lol
11:00 freetlas BingoBoingo: that's where you currently living?
11:01 BingoBoingo Correcting a/o is what the Venezualana dentist makes her side gig doing
11:02 BingoBoingo freetlas: Living yes, But in a way that challenges what i considered living before. Much more living aca.
11:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755787 << lol what did you do!
11:04 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 13:30 BingoBoingo may have cheated a bit on the test leaning on the whole "animal magnetism" applied Trilema business.
11:04 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755798 << this does *not* explain what I put in the log, though it is also a problem.
11:04 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 14:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755775 << i dug into this item last yr, and found that the version thing is mostly a red herring : when you set 50400, the same derps drop ~you~, a millisecond or so sooner than you would've dropped ~them~ via malleus. the real culprit is always http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702558 .
11:05 asciilifeform trinque: hm plox to expand then ?
11:05 mircea_popescu trinque hey, i'm all ears.
11:05 trinque it is not as though I restarted the trb node once, said "oh ok, worx nao"
11:05 trinque mats also reported to me that his nodes *will not keep up*, ben_vulpes also
11:05 asciilifeform trinque: ( and this is not specific to this case ) plox to describe, in pedantic detail, the events
11:06 trinque I already put it in the log, what
11:06 asciilifeform what i saw was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755777
11:06 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 05:23 trinque: for now, I can report that setting the version number to 50400, a trb node will catch back up, txns will unstick.
11:06 mircea_popescu you got a blog, you saw teh fetlife/okcupid/whatever write-ups, knock yourself out in a mead of fermented detail.
11:06 BingoBoingo Well, I just stayed a playful friendly extranjero and let the laughing and the context do the not heavy at all lifting
11:06 asciilifeform but did not see , e.g., 'did 7 resets with 9.999... but only the 8th, with 50400, did the trick'
11:07 mircea_popescu trinque the problem with "mats also reported to me that his nodes *will not keep up*, ben_vulpes also" is the ambiguity attendant. two guys walk into a diner, agree that coffee sucks there -- one's a colombian, local brew is swill ; the other's from alaska, can not stand hot beverages.
11:07 mircea_popescu yet they "agreed". but what was meant ?
11:08 trinque what was meant is that I want others to study their nodes while I study mine
11:08 trinque and not simply go "alf says it isn't so, lets not look"
11:08 mircea_popescu yes but you did not specific a study paradigm
11:08 mircea_popescu at least not public
11:08 trinque I plainly said what I was going to do about it
11:08 asciilifeform one useful item would be a 'from whom this came' log prefixer patch
11:08 mircea_popescu "study this room" rarely works in my experience (and yes, i experienced ; we have small toys for hiding etc)
11:09 mircea_popescu trinque i gathered you moved from knob set to x to knob set to y ; that's not the same as a "do this experiment".
11:09 asciilifeform ^
11:09 mircea_popescu for instance, what specific variable was to be measured, and how.
11:10 asciilifeform trinque: one way to turn this into an experimental setup would be to make ver knob adjustable ~without reset~
11:10 asciilifeform then could genuinely say 'it wasn't the reset, it was version mask'
11:10 asciilifeform after certain # of shots
11:11 mircea_popescu reset does add some noise ; but it can be also filtered out otherwise.
11:11 trinque asciilifeform: clearly.
11:11 mircea_popescu statistics works on anything, is the thing.
11:11 asciilifeform it isn't 'some noise', mircea_popescu , reset triggers the one and only sync-catchup routine
11:11 asciilifeform ( see the massive log turd earlier )
11:11 mircea_popescu i'm aware, i'm aware.
11:12 trinque I was brief on details because I fully expected that others are seeing the same behavior with the trb nodes they maintain. public indexes of nodes report that just about every single one is far behind.
11:13 asciilifeform trinque: the 1 common thread in asciilifeform's lab notes from birth of trb to today, is that once they fall behind, they stay behind, until reset. (often more than one reset.)
11:13 mats i've had some luck syncing with 'btcwire' nodes, when all of the advertised nodes were ~30 blocks behind or unreachable on sunday
11:13 asciilifeform and i'm satisfied that i found the reason for it. ( and no i do not have a ready pill, the ~algo~ is broken )
11:14 asciilifeform what's btcwire ?
11:14 mats and at that time i just fed those blocks back to the advertised nodes, it caught up
11:14 mats some golang thing
11:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform half-admitted sybil.
11:14 mircea_popescu was something-network before that
11:14 trinque one which probably doesn't implement enough of the prb protocol to get banned
11:14 asciilifeform mats: hand-feeding always works, yes. but it's not a practical means of keeping a node up in regular practice.
11:15 trinque think for a sec, that with the high version number you're advertising support for protocol "features" you then immediately issue a ban for.
11:15 asciilifeform trinque: this is not wrong , but it's a pov that concedes to the powerrangers the privilege of owning version#s
11:16 asciilifeform why should they get to filter us out by doing e.g. 'nothing below 0.7 can connect'
11:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in his case, because he wants to at least occasionally get txn out
11:17 trinque this sort of thinking creates gigantic blind spots in which ways 0.5.4 is broken will hide.
11:17 asciilifeform if it in fact has become impossible to get a tx out without emulating all of prb, we have a Problem
11:17 mircea_popescu dude...
11:17 trinque I reported this in the log
11:17 mircea_popescu we have had A PROBLEM for longer than i can recall.
11:17 mircea_popescu we have no isp. we can't as much as fucking hire a chinese girl.
11:17 mircea_popescu somehow nike manages to get its shoes sewn ; but not us
11:17 mircea_popescu we're afloat in problems.
11:17 asciilifeform troo!
11:17 mircea_popescu so then.
11:18 mats in regular practice i'm uncertain how to masquerade as prb without running a heathen node and plugging trb into that
11:18 trinque in the case of the version number (which I will obviously test extensively, and said so) it's possible it's a bad move to crank to maxver, because it's a lie saying "we support all misc novelties below this int"
11:19 trinque mats: my node.deedbot.org node *immediately* synced to top after weeks of restarts and praying to satan when version number was set.
11:19 asciilifeform trinque: that knob is there, to be turned. i've no argument that 'version dun matter', it may well matter. but oughta be tested correctly, as indep. variable.
11:19 mats trinque: who did you ask for blocks?
11:20 trinque I have the republican list in addnode and that's it.
11:20 trinque asciilifeform: where was that in argument
11:20 asciilifeform iirc recent prb ( as analyzed by jurov, still digging for the thread ) will simply drop you if you connect and report <0.7 .
11:20 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755783
11:20 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 05:34 trinque will be comparing multiple test subjects.
11:20 asciilifeform you gotta compare without reset tho.
11:21 trinque I agree with that as well.
11:21 trinque should be trivial to add an rpc to change the var
11:21 asciilifeform needs a patch.
11:21 asciilifeform aha
11:23 asciilifeform another patch experiment whose time imho has come, is 'prod' rpc command : trigger the boot sync behaviour at arbitrary time.
11:23 asciilifeform i'ma produce it this weekend, if no one else has.
11:23 trinque indeed, should be tested independently of this, can possibly preserve the high version.
11:24 asciilifeform incidentally when i wrote the versionknob patch, i did not expect that everyone here will run with ~same~ , default ver
11:25 mircea_popescu yes for srs. prod!
11:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform meaningless magic number got set to the "closest ot inexistence" available.
11:26 trinque asciilifeform: I don't blame the patch, only "now I have an observation which suggests touch the knob"
11:26 asciilifeform aha , ^ is how i came up with the value
11:26 trinque suggestion may be wrong
11:26 asciilifeform trinque: item very much deserves proper test.
11:27 asciilifeform and as 'ship is made to sail', knob -- is made to turn.
11:28 asciilifeform asciilifeform's point was not 'don't turn', but 'gotta turn them knobs independently of one another, or 9000 years will not suffice'
11:28 * trinque suddenly realises that there are two intuitive items, tit.. and cock
11:28 trinque the second, stick everywhere!
11:38 BingoBoingo lol
11:38 BingoBoingo Where's that trilema about cock eating rock
11:41 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755797 <<< Pero si es lleno de recursos humanos, no?
11:41 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 14:37 BingoBoingo: Inglaterra es un pais pobre
11:42 trinque BingoBoingo: how goes rackquest?
11:42 BingoBoingo shinohai: Para hacer biopetro.
11:43 shinohai Mah corn
11:43 BingoBoingo trinque: More slowly than I would like. The whole US citizen bullshit is giving the accountant quite a workout when it comes to making banking work to pay for the racks.
11:44 mircea_popescu in other sads : one trb node was dead since fucking 22nd of august, because -- it ran into the fabled "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbRunRecoveryException' what(): DbEnv::txn_checkpoint: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery" which then kicked in a script to clean it up, which it did, but couldn't boot back up because for yet-unknown reasons there was a spurious .lock leftover ; corner case u
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11:44 mircea_popescu ncovered, 1k man-hours worth of spuriously idiotic automation down teh drain.
11:45 mircea_popescu we have, as the man says, A problem.
11:48 BingoBoingo trinque: As far as the racks themselves. Ready within 72 hours of signing a contract and paying for them, but IP address block from LACNIC will take 2 weeks from application to allocation.
11:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what was yer bandwidth, again?
11:49 mircea_popescu shaping up BingoBoingo !
11:50 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The quote is for 100 MBPS decicated symmetrical. If there's more traffic in one direction, asymetrical dedicated lines are also available.
11:50 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: gracias
11:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform he's getting his foot in tyhe door ; it'll scale.
11:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: should hope so. because 100mb ain't enuff for even 1 trbtron
11:51 mircea_popescu measure it soemtime.
11:53 asciilifeform i did.
11:53 asciilifeform !#s incitatus
11:53 a111 40 results for "incitatus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=incitatus
11:53 asciilifeform ^ subj.
11:53 trinque BingoBoingo: would easily host my sites and botworx
11:53 asciilifeform prolly would work for, e.g., qntra, aha
11:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't see a number in there ; be moar useful and speak the value.
11:53 mircea_popescu !~calc 1e6 * 3600 * 24 * 30
11:53 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 1e6 * 3600 * 24 * 30 = 2592000000000
11:54 mircea_popescu 2.5 petabytes is many times over trilema, so.
11:54 * BingoBoingo can't recall running a trbtron I could touch on a connection faster than 3 mbps until in Montevideo
11:54 asciilifeform hey, slow modem beats no modem
11:55 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, router rule
11:56 mircea_popescu by the time your trb node eats 10 MBps even, you've more serious problems than "buy more pipe". and that's inst not sustained.
11:56 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: well yes, i'm aware that there is not a literal 100mb/s modem, lol
11:56 BingoBoingo Once trb gets enough network speed to work, extra doesn't offer much
11:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: most painful spot is prolly the bringup of new node with its 200G
11:56 mircea_popescu that 200G is over a little more than 20 minutes.
11:57 mircea_popescu bb broadfly has it, there's a narrow sliver of bw trb/prb can even use ; more than that it generally wastes.
11:57 * asciilifeform does the arithmetic, yea mircea_popescu is prolly right
11:57 mircea_popescu and the narrow sliver in question is in the kbps range
11:58 mircea_popescu ie, unless you got a good reason running a centralizing node, capping the bw for the damned thing doesn't do anything observable.
11:58 asciilifeform the bottom limit is what it takes to move in a block every 10m . i.e. ~2kB/s.
11:59 mircea_popescu in practice more like 15x that, because it gotta chatter like a boring housewife.
11:59 asciilifeform aha, mempoolism
11:59 mircea_popescu aha.
11:59 BingoBoingo 1-1.5 mbps cap tends to allow resonable block reception time and support a number of connections, and keeps pipe faily clear outside of block time
12:00 BingoBoingo with an under 512 kbps cap, not many other nodes will want to be friends
12:01 asciilifeform and speaking of all of this, asciilifeform has a gentootronic box ready to crate up and enthrone immediately when BingoBoingo proclaims his rack.
12:01 asciilifeform ( and soon 2 moar )
12:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: very nice
12:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755987 << i have seen this item a grand total of twice, and both times -- dying hdd
12:04 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: in other sads : one trb node was dead since fucking 22nd of august, because -- it ran into the fabled "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbRunRecoveryException' what(): DbEnv::txn_checkpoint: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery" which then kicked in a script to clean it up, which it did, but couldn't boot back up because for yet-unknown reasons there was a spurious .lock leftover ; corner case u
12:06 mircea_popescu i see it on occasion ; and yes decent predictor for ssd death.
12:07 asciilifeform afaik it's entirely impossible without rotting iron
12:08 mircea_popescu this is bitcoin, errything's possible.
12:12 asciilifeform all i can say is, to date only observed db death on boxes with actual bit rot.
12:12 mircea_popescu the db is actually fine.
12:12 asciilifeform i.e. copied it elsewhere, and it mounted ?
12:12 mircea_popescu here, also.
12:16 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> all i can say is, to date only observed db death on boxes with actual bit rot. << Aha, saw when trying to start trb from blockchain loaded onto box from corrupted thumb drive
12:16 mircea_popescu lmao watching BingoBoingo spanish is amusing. los republica ? how many of it are there!
12:17 mircea_popescu and why is it masculine allovasudden
12:17 mircea_popescu teh republic's a bitch.
12:17 BingoBoingo Because the venezualana is too busy to deliver suffient humilation on her own.
12:19 BingoBoingo Anyways, as many republicitas as los senors.
12:20 BingoBoingo But consider "vos sos [adjective]" mastered.
12:22 BingoBoingo Anyways, accomodating the truth that most people want a friend more than I do, and letting them shoulder their share of the burden helps make BingoBoingo spanish functionally amusing in person.
12:22 BingoBoingo Blog post baking.
12:22 mircea_popescu cool.
12:24 BingoBoingo !!up freetlas
12:24 deedbot freetlas voiced for 30 minutes.
12:24 freetlas Indeed, it is. Btw, Venezuelan* or venezolana/o
12:25 freetlas In case you're talking about people from Venezuela
12:25 BingoBoingo Si
12:25 BingoBoingo Una persona, una odontologa
12:26 freetlas Conoces una odontologa venezolana?
12:27 BingoBoingo freetlas: Para vos, Yo soy usted!
12:27 mircea_popescu lmao
12:28 mircea_popescu he got it, and he ain't affraid to use it!
12:28 * mircea_popescu bbl
12:28 freetlas BingoBoingo: It ain't fucking usted in Argentine Spanish bastard lol
12:29 freetlas , bastard*
12:29 BingoBoingo Uruguay no es Argentina.
12:29 BingoBoingo Y aca los senores son usted.
12:29 freetlas You're right. Uruguay is part of Argentina. It's just another state. :)
12:30 freetlas Los senadores?
12:30 BingoBoingo Los caballeros.
12:31 freetlas Are you a Lord? :o
12:31 freetlas I apologize, Lord BingoBoingo. Usted conoce a una odontologa venezolana?
12:32 BingoBoingo Gracias, si la conozco.
12:32 freetlas Gracias. Si, la conozco.*
12:33 BingoBoingo !!gettrust deedbot BingoBoingo
12:33 deedbot L1: 1, L2: 8 by 8 connections.
12:38 mircea_popescu anyway, continuing the trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable that trb will become 3 things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized to keeping track of the lies and nonsense flowing through the relay network (mempool, timing nodes, what have you).
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12:38 mircea_popescu there's absolutely no conceivable reason to have all these 3 items in the same place.
12:38 mircea_popescu key to the split is a rewrite of the db so it's less fucktarded.
12:39 * asciilifeform actually has the db item, based on 'horsecocks' routine posted earlier ; but not ready for primetime and on hold pending ffa/p release
12:40 asciilifeform i.e. giant mmap.
12:40 mircea_popescu not a bad idea, at that.
12:41 asciilifeform O(1) fetches.
12:41 mircea_popescu aha
12:41 asciilifeform ( and writes, for that matter. )
12:43 asciilifeform btw 'block node' per mircea_popescu's cut , doesn't have to be a 'daemonic' process at all, even. can run as 1shot cmdline util, that can be asked to eat a candidate-block ( and report success/failure ), or disgorge a previously-accepted block (by header , or by height) ; then terminates
12:43 asciilifeform it dun need to persistently grind.
12:43 mircea_popescu possibly.
12:44 mircea_popescu could even be a bash one-liner
12:44 asciilifeform bash-driven, at any rate. ( still pretty massive cpp ball behind the scenes, considering that all of the remaining 'grandfather's pistol' logic lives ultimately in the is-this-an-actual-block evaluator )
12:48 mircea_popescu and evidently the power rangers made the wrong cut. it is FINE to have a "light node" consisting of block and tx ; no spy.
12:48 mircea_popescu but they cut out the essential part and left the nonsense.
12:48 asciilifeform aha!
12:49 asciilifeform without is-this-a-block-based-on-all-known-blocks-down-to-genesis, it ain't a node, it's used cumrag
12:49 mircea_popescu so in this sense, it can be said "it makes no sense to have A without B", which is true. though it DOES make perfect senser to have B without A, which is why they are to be cut.
12:49 mircea_popescu because exactly, B is the basis of all things ; upon which basis A or C or both or neither may live.
12:50 asciilifeform will even observe, that it is possible to have a bitcoin net with only sneakernet connectivity, with cmdline eatblock-ing nodes.
12:50 asciilifeform and hand-carried payloads.
12:50 mircea_popescu cut like this, yes.
12:50 mircea_popescu and as it should be.
12:51 mircea_popescu then B can simply send PushGetBlocks until it falls over and entirely ignore mempool idiocy
12:51 mircea_popescu thereby having nodes forever on the brink of the chain no matter what.
12:54 asciilifeform B in the 'cmdline' model wouldn't ever on its own power send anything, or act autonomously
12:54 asciilifeform it'd be 'supreme court' for the whatever As connected.
12:55 asciilifeform ( but contain no networking code on its own )
12:55 mircea_popescu could be a peer too, why not.
12:56 asciilifeform idea is that it should not be gummable by anything that happens on the net.
12:56 asciilifeform could be a peer, but 'lan peer'
12:56 mircea_popescu i guess. better have it capable and let operator design than have it incapable and no choice.
12:57 mircea_popescu lan-only knob eminently useful.
12:57 asciilifeform ideally reference-trb is capable-of-everything, incl. cpumining ( see the dozen or so threads at this point )
12:57 mircea_popescu no more "reference" bs. functionality.
12:58 mircea_popescu consider the following point : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755759
12:58 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 04:03 Cerber248: ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODErlpxbbo: gribble lobbesbot de
12:58 asciilifeform yes functionality but gotta be careful that the cut parts sum to at least the customary functionality.
12:58 mircea_popescu you know FOR A FACT that it's nsa-bs, because if it weren't, they'd have sold it to me not to some obscure mortodifame.
12:58 asciilifeform how else.
12:58 mircea_popescu but it wasn't a "sale", it was a "mommy calls children home".
12:58 asciilifeform they have a whole fleet of these shills, 1000s
12:59 mircea_popescu NOW, the first, and naive, thought, would be "o noes, all those poor but intelligent engineer minds who will lose their freenode ; we should try to help them"
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12:59 asciilifeform starting with 1940s crypto-ag and going on to today.
12:59 mircea_popescu no. we should not. fuck them with a barbed stick. how DARE they be anywhere but here ? and why help such scum ?
12:59 mircea_popescu they'll get what they deserve.
12:59 mircea_popescu reference ? FUCK YOU.
12:59 mircea_popescu "reference" is altspeak for "proof proofiness investigation"
13:01 asciilifeform it isn't as if the heathens read, or ever read, it
13:02 asciilifeform !!up mircea_popescu
13:02 deedbot mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
13:02 BingoBoingo !!up mircea_popescu
13:02 deedbot mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
13:02 mircea_popescu there's 0 reason to think in these terms. let the self-important impotent judges-of-all-things-makers-of-nothing wash their heads with their reference rights.
13:02 * mircea_popescu is in car, will v later on.
13:03 asciilifeform i gotta ask, in what terms instead
13:03 asciilifeform as i understood trb historically was 'and here is bitcoin minus the post-2011 barnacles, deviate at your own risk, derps, it will still be there an' working'
13:04 mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> no more "reference" bs. functionality. <
13:04 mircea_popescu trinque needs so and so for so and so, let him have it.
13:04 * asciilifeform doesn't disagree.
13:04 mircea_popescu what we need is all that matters ; anyone else's "rights" are indistinguishable from hallucinations.
13:04 mircea_popescu show a need and get at the least a go ahead, ideally some help.
13:04 asciilifeform sorta where i was going with experiments such as 'wires' etc
13:05 asciilifeform 'fuck the scum'
13:05 asciilifeform ( btw did everyone grasp why 'wires' dun work ? )
13:05 mircea_popescu i'm absolutely NOT going to sit here and say to trinque yes you're here and doing things but your item should be even an iota less usefull to you than it could be "because public"
13:05 asciilifeform aa yea
13:05 mircea_popescu the public is henceforth a byword for they in the dungeons.
13:06 asciilifeform the 1 caveat is that if the tx dun cut through the kilometre of prb and get to china, it dun get mined
13:06 mircea_popescu it's always cheaper to deal with china without idiot white cucks than with.
13:06 asciilifeform hence 'cut through'
13:06 mircea_popescu true in 1817 as today
13:08 mircea_popescu anytway, this car has been idliong in parking lot long enough. i will bbl fo reals.
13:08 asciilifeform i'll admit ftr that this item was one of the underlying seekrit crackpotteries behind asciilifeform's interest in shortwave
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13:08 asciilifeform theoretically a miner who gives a damn re max rake, oughta tune in when if e.g. mircea_popescu were to pump out a fat tx on sw.
13:09 asciilifeform rather than waiting for 10,000km of usg.cisco and usg.fiber relays to churn.
13:09 asciilifeform ( as well as dozen hops of prb nonsense )
13:10 asciilifeform whatever else ionosphere does, it doesn't 'bitbetate'.
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13:26 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
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13:27 asciilifeform waterlolfall
13:27 shinohai `Long Island Iced Tea shares soared 500% after the company rebranded as Long Blockchain. The decision came at 3 AM, during a long "product testing" meeting, after one executive mentioned that his son had made a lot of money on "Betcoin [sic].`
13:28 shinohai toppest of keks
13:29 asciilifeform i gotta wonder how mircea_popescu squares pictures like this with 'net worth is proxy for intelligence', 'executives are skilled professionals', and similar
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13:36 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756072 << I have already split the wallet from trb in a patch I'm testing.
13:36 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 17:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, continuing the trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable that trb will become 3 things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized to keeping track of the lies and nonsense flowing through the relay network (mempool, timing nodes, what have you).
13:36 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Likely by recognizing the damaging effect of wreckers and the despicable kind of theif. Pic unrelated, features the honorable kind of thief http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1000070-1-768x576.jpg
13:37 trinque the cut turned out to be very clean, delete wallet.h/cpp, rip all references out, and item syncs just fine. it of course breaks getmempool and GenerateBlocks, whatever else.
13:37 asciilifeform trinque: this is neato and i'd like to try it
13:38 asciilifeform ( i assume it also sheds various mempoolisms ? )
13:38 trinque nah, mempool cut can be a separate patch
13:38 asciilifeform aa
13:38 trinque kept this strictly to wallet
13:39 asciilifeform a 'pistol only' cut , as discussed earlier, would be interesting
13:39 trinque I will post an experimental patch soon, when fit for other hands
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13:40 shinohai Neato trinque .... had discussed with mod6 before how divorcing wallet rpc functions from trb would be so much better.
13:40 trinque what's needed is, say, a shivatronic script compiler for txn.
13:41 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755738
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13:41 a111 Logged on 2017-12-21 01:52 phf: i think correct method would really be to get the transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and then have a transaction parser in shiva itself that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever
13:41 trinque that, but both ways.
13:44 trinque asciilifeform: beauty of v is that these paths can diverge cleanly, operator can choose which lineage to press. patches appropriate for multiple lines, ground onto multiple lines.
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13:47 asciilifeform aha!
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14:29 phf “Romanian Hackers Infiltrated 65% of DC Outdoor Surveillance Cameras (cnn.io)”
14:30 asciilifeform lol, for spam
14:30 asciilifeform where were these folx on '9/11' !111
14:30 phf cheering on?
14:31 asciilifeform ( famously, all cams near pentagon 'oops, stopped working' that day )
14:33 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d2YLr/?raw=true << plaintxtization of the lulgem from phf's link
14:35 asciilifeform !!up freetlas
14:35 deedbot freetlas voiced for 30 minutes.
14:37 freetlas I'm very disapointted with myself for not even being a Beginner of The Republic.
14:37 asciilifeform so go and fix
14:37 asciilifeform !!help
14:37 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
14:37 asciilifeform ^ reg with deedbot
14:37 asciilifeform then follow the intro linked in chan subj, on mircea_popescu's www .
14:38 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755450 << i've picked up a book in new orleans, “Symbolic computation : applications to scientific computing”, it's all macsyma and various sussman style scheme hacks for exploring dynamic systems, but an interesting trick that almost all the code uses, which i guess was sop in lisp world at some point, is to do visualization and control on a lisp machine, but do the heavy numeric simulations in fortran 77. the in
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14:38 a111 Logged on 2017-12-20 18:35 asciilifeform: this is possible. when's the last time you saw a cpu-bound proggy in cl tho
14:38 phf teractive environment is basically there to parametrize, and then it spits out a fortran code that crunches the numbers as it is
14:38 asciilifeform oyea phf pretty sure i saw this
14:38 asciilifeform 'compile to fortran'
14:39 asciilifeform this was even used quite recently, in certain schemetrons
14:39 asciilifeform 'compile to c'
14:40 asciilifeform really the endgame of this is 'compile to fpga'
14:40 phf like there's a paper on a multibody simulation system "implemented in zeta-lisp on symbolics 3600" with symbolic part done in macsyma, but the "numeric simulator" is implemented in fortran-77 running on a lisp machine
14:40 asciilifeform for those annoting little cpubound problems like hbomb implosion contours etc
14:41 phf there's a separate differential geometry package for non-linear dynamic systems in macsyma, likewise does analysis in macsyma, and then spits out fortran 77 code
14:42 asciilifeform at one time asciilifeform was a meat version of this, for a living
14:43 phf right, i guess you were doing industrial robotics and such?
14:43 asciilifeform that was at same place, but later
14:43 asciilifeform earlier was , them crunchings. inner loops in asm etc.
14:43 phf ah
14:47 asciilifeform btw, ftr asciilifeform considered f77 as close runner-up for 'in what to write ffa and all from nao on'
14:48 asciilifeform it loses to ada in re: clarity and bound-guarantees
14:48 asciilifeform but otherwise strong alternative to the bell labs idiocies.
14:48 asciilifeform and quite well-standardized.
14:49 asciilifeform and compiles pretty cleanly.
14:49 phf i have to admit, my math is so weak, it's reading these papers i realized that Proper Engineering actually uses something called state-space representation for discretizing dynamic systems, and that behaviors of, say, robotic manipulators, have time independent, closed form solutions. also of explains that scene from anathem, at the workshop
14:50 asciilifeform aha!!
14:50 asciilifeform it!
14:50 * asciilifeform extends imaginary cylinder hat.
14:51 asciilifeform state-space representation << recall lagrange's mechanics.
14:57 phf well, i have an intuitive understanding of what's going on now, i just need to work through calca. i've also simultaneously understood why lapack is so valuable. and yes, i see how that ties to lagrange's mechanics.
15:08 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/21/he-tenido-una-cita-en-la-ciudad-vieja-a-lesson-in-applied-trilema/ << Bingo Blog - He Tenido Una Cita En La Ciudad Vieja: A Lesson In Applied Trilema
15:11 BingoBoingo Ah, forgot to link http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686062
15:11 a111 Logged on 2017-07-18 18:42 mircea_popescu: rooster sees hen and runs towards her. hen reflexively starts running away. after a short space the hen thinks "if i stop he'll think me a slut, if i keep running he'll think me stupid... how about i stumble."
15:18 * shinohai is thoroughly enjoying these new pieces on the BingoBoingo blog ....
15:19 BingoBoingo !~tyvm
15:19 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Error: "tyvm" is not a valid command.
15:19 BingoBoingo !~ty
15:19 jhvh1 You are very welcome Daddy
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15:53 deedbot http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/21/eucrypt-correcting-mpi-implementation/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt: Correcting MPI Implementation
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16:14 asciilifeform o hey hey hey , lbj!!!
16:17 diana_coman it seems I also found a difference in press behaviour between asciilifeform's v99 and mod6's v: this new vpatch of mine si correctly identified as leaf and otherwise descendant of ch1_mpi.vpatch by both v ; however, when pressing ch2 vpatch, mod6's v presses this other leaf too from what I see, while asciilifeform's v99 does not press it; to me v99's behaviour seems correct but I don't know if this is something that was discussed before
16:18 diana_coman ch2 vpatch is *another* leaf, sibling of this vpatch
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16:45 mod6 ugh.
16:45 mod6 i'll have to take a look a bit later here diana_coman
16:45 mod6 i simply curse the day that i ever wrote the thing
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16:47 diana_coman mod6, no rush at all; I just reported it because unexpected to me; let me know if there is any other info I can provide to help
16:50 diana_coman fwiw mod6 I'm rather happy you wrote it though, as it helped me a lot in the beginning when I was trying to get my head around v itself; having at least 2 implementations to compare is not a bad thing
16:52 mod6 yeah, it's not good though. literally everytime someone uses it, there seems to be some sort of ... 'it doesn't work'
16:59 mod6 i'll take a look and see what your thing is doing later. will report back.
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17:21 asciilifeform diana_coman: the v99 behaviour is the correct one : pressing 'siblings' automagically, is a mistake; if you want the contents of both 'siblings', you oughta have a 'unifier' patch that pulls both in.
17:21 asciilifeform v as i originally devised it, specifically 'grasps' by ~1~ leaf, when calculating a press
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18:31 diana_coman asciilifeform, yes, I plan precisely a unifier; that makes total sense to me, see above where I already said I consider v99 behaviour as correct
18:33 asciilifeform aha
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19:10 danielpbarron !!deposit 1.5
19:10 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CHILz/?raw=true
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20:12 phf asciilifeform: you will find this lulzy, little factoid that i didn't know till now http://lj.rossia.org/users/aculeata/1365141.html
20:13 phf "Считаю необходимым довести до сведения следственных органов ряд новых фактов характеризующих мое морально бытовое разложение. Речь идет о моем давнем пороке — педерастии." "24 апреля 1939 г. Н. Ежов."
20:13 asciilifeform pretty sure i've read this
20:14 asciilifeform and pictured that it was written while sitting on a stake
20:14 phf obviously, i didn't realize that the stake took this particular shape in this case
20:16 asciilifeform lol
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20:38 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
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20:51 BingoBoingo stakes have many shapes
20:55 esthlos i'm trying to implement V, without reading too much source (as asciilifeform suggested), so how is this so far:
20:55 mod6 Initial findings after digging into it here quickly, my V seems to have the leaves in a separate flow order than from Stan's (v99). Which, by itself, (as we've discussed before) isn't a problem per-se. It seems though that in the case here where the leaves are ordered differently, and you press (with my v (99994)) up through 'ch2_truerandom.vpatch', it also includes the 'eucrypt_mpi_fix_copy_incr.vpatch' a
20:55 mod6 s it comes earlier in the flow.
20:56 mod6 So in this case, it is a problem, because you may not want to press 'eucrypt_mpi_fix_copy_incr.vpatch' leaf when pressing to only ch2.
20:56 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7Xaoq/?raw=true
20:57 esthlos there is a collection X of diffs, a collection Y of detatched signatures of those diffs, and a collection Z of pubkeys corresponding to those patches
20:57 mod6 I don't have a fix ready or anything of the kind, in fact, this could be the nail in the coffin for my v.
20:58 mod6 I'll stop working on all other things, and dig into this. Will advise as I have more to say.
20:59 esthlos by selecting which keys are acceptable, we get a subsequence of acceptable diffs, which are then used to patch the source
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20:59 BingoBoingo <esthlos> i'm trying to implement V, without reading too much source (as asciilifeform suggested), so how is this so far: << Well, stop reading code and take V on a walk down the Rambla.
21:00 asciilifeform actually i am reading my orig V nao and shuddering
21:01 asciilifeform the press algo i wrote was extremely lame , and mod6's vtron went astray by copying it, rather than the item in my head, lol
21:01 asciilifeform the correct press algo is
21:02 asciilifeform ... 1) to take the 'out' hashes of the ~one~, specific, patch being 'pressed to'
21:02 esthlos that's where I'm at, trying to figure out the order to apply the diffs
21:02 asciilifeform 2) recurse backwards from these.
21:02 asciilifeform pointedly the 'flow' should not be used as the input for any operation , other than to display to user
21:03 asciilifeform ( the linear flow display was also a mistake, it misleads people, does not actually help anybody. really ought to have exclusively tree-flow display, as mod6 had )
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21:03 mod6 aha, yeah, this is where mine eats shit ^
21:03 esthlos BingoBoingo: yes, I think it's time for that
21:04 BingoBoingo esthlos: Just remeber, V is more interest in you than you in V
21:04 mod6 speaking of tree-display... once I spit out the tree for eucrypt, then it makes sense. no reason that you should have to press 'eucrypt_mpi_fix_copy_incr.vpatch' to have pressed 'ch2_truerandom.vpatch'
21:05 asciilifeform so to expand : we take each 'out' , and follow it back as far as we can. ( when we meet a nil, we stop recursing, in that branch. ) when we meet a non-nil, recurse. when the recursion unwinds, the actual unixpatch (or phfian patch, for that matter) util invocations, happen.
21:06 phf that's what btcbase does™
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21:07 asciilifeform phf did it correctly !
21:07 asciilifeform by not copying asciilifeform's orig. hasty, wartime vtron.
21:07 asciilifeform but instead implementing the Troo Algo.
21:08 phf he get a lot of mileage out of a simple graph walk algorithm
21:08 asciilifeform there's definitionally 1 correct graph traversal for any given vtree.
21:09 asciilifeform per leaf.
21:09 asciilifeform ( per node, really )
21:09 asciilifeform you can press to any node.
21:18 mod6 Hmm. Ok, well, there *might be* a quick fix to this on my end -- not withstanding important original design flaws pointed out by asciilifeform above ^, seems that I have a possible idiotic thing in my toposort. Once removed, *appears* to do The Right Thing.
21:20 mod6 Will be looking at this closely/testing, etc. If that indeed becomes the fix, doesn't negate some of the refactors Stan is discussing. And those may be warranted in a later release.
21:20 mod6 Anyway, more as I have it. Thanks[
21:30 danielpbarron !!up l0de
21:30 deedbot l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
21:30 danielpbarron !!help
21:30 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
21:36 danielpbarron !!up KutmasteR
21:36 deedbot KutmasteR voiced for 30 minutes.
21:38 phf "whatever happened to strong, silent types"
21:39 KutmasteR 0.o
21:39 danielpbarron hi KutmasteR, who are you?
21:39 KutmasteR who are you?
21:39 danielpbarron i'll give you one more chance before the down
21:40 KutmasteR heard some guy talking about this chan
21:40 danielpbarron yeah that was me
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21:40 KutmasteR ah
21:40 KutmasteR well hello
21:40 danielpbarron tell your boy l0de to get his key regged if he wants that free money
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21:41 KutmasteR i honestly don't know him that well
21:41 phf is that same l0de as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752954
21:41 a111 Logged on 2017-12-18 01:18 phf: "The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide."
21:41 danielpbarron yes, that's how i found it. it's live again tonight and i just called in
21:42 l0de ya
21:42 danielpbarron guy's apparently been doing a show for the last 20 years, and in the beginning did it from a pirate radio station
21:42 l0de phones are acting up tonight
21:42 l0de I'm wokring on it
21:43 danielpbarron and for the record, (he claims) that he wasn't behind the spam. and has kline to back him up on that
21:46 phf i thought the spam was funny, because i want to his youtube channel and there was a bunch of very upset and confused people there. i thought it was an intentional, as they say, good show
22:01 danielpbarron !!up l0de
22:01 deedbot l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
22:07 trinque when do they start the treason part?
22:16 danielpbarron idk, l0de picked my brain on how we're taking down the USG and i guess he didn't like my answer, but i told him i'd send him some bitcoin with the bot if he gets his key regged. he said he's never heard of GPG..
22:19 danielpbarron !!up nisstyre
22:19 deedbot nisstyre voiced for 30 minutes.
22:20 phf if only there was some way to capture a conversation so that it gets preserved for future readers
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23:33 danielpbarron !!up MTW
23:33 deedbot MTW voiced for 30 minutes.
23:33 MTW hell yeah
23:33 mod6 werd
23:34 trinque what's an MTW ?
23:34 danielpbarron he's with l0de
23:35 danielpbarron !!help
23:35 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
23:36 trinque lol, this guy is bitching about money
23:36 trinque how much coin did you offer him, danielpbarron ?
23:36 danielpbarron 800 USD worth
23:37 danielpbarron !!up rainrawr
23:37 deedbot rainrawr voiced for 30 minutes.
23:37 rainrawr sup
23:37 MTW !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OHjBd/?raw=true
23:37 deedbot 5048EC06FA366D1350F5DBDD55A423FD89074FC4 registered as MTW.
23:37 danielpbarron !!up weevlos
23:37 deedbot weevlos voiced for 30 minutes.
23:38 danielpbarron !!rate MTW 1 l0de radio guy
23:38 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Foa8i/?raw=true
23:39 weevlos !!help
23:39 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
23:40 rainrawr ok wtf do i do
23:40 weevlos !!register https://keybase.io/weev/pgp_keys.asc?fingerprint=b9185b95152960a319100120740941791782b3cd
23:40 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-31#999223
23:40 a111 Logged on 2015-01-31 01:28 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: He's sort of like an apostle.
23:40 deedbot B9185B95152960A319100120740941791782B3CD registered as weevlos.
23:41 danielpbarron alright MTW you can voice yourself with !!up
23:41 trinque rainrawr: announce yourself. who are you? what does your daddy do?
23:41 MTW hell yeah
23:41 danielpbarron lemme send you some coin here
23:41 danielpbarron hmmm
23:41 weevlos hook me up with btc dawg
23:41 danielpbarron !!pay MTW 0.01
23:42 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hUQrh/?raw=true
23:42 rainrawr hi im rainrawr im just here to chat
23:43 MTW !!balance
23:43 danielpbarron give it a sec
23:43 MTW kk
23:44 danielpbarron !!rate weevlos the weev, friend of Emily Youcis
23:45 danielpbarron did we crash the fucking bot?
23:45 MTW looks like it
23:45 MTW !!help
23:45 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
23:45 MTW no it's slightly aliv
23:45 MTW e
23:45 trinque danielpbarron: you didn't put a number in your command...
23:46 danielpbarron oh right
23:46 danielpbarron but my verify for the pay command didn't return yet
23:46 danielpbarron !!rate weevlos 1 the weev, friend of Emily Youcis
23:46 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zca8m/?raw=true
23:46 trinque and one sec on the wallet ops.
23:47 weevlos !!pay weevlos 0.1
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23:47 deedbot You must be registered.
23:54 MTW !!balance
23:54 trinque danielpbarron: should be fine now
23:54 MTW danielpbarron that bot work or nah
23:54 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mPjEC/?raw=true
23:54 trinque MTW: I have to make the wallets.
23:54 MTW ahhhh
23:55 danielpbarron !!v 6DF767B9CA157362E7B69C67342313A0AA02329F917870BA3965BBAFC1027200
23:56 trinque weevlos: anyhow you're the stormer guy eh? there was a thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708657
23:56 a111 Logged on 2017-09-01 06:14 mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer the correct solution here is to pay 1-200 per month for a dedicated server in a sane jurisdiction (ie, outside of nato). make sure you get a chunk of ips with it, then host all your shit.
23:56 weevlos yeah we have no problem with server hosting
23:57 weevlos our servers stay up just fine
23:58 weevlos the issue is the registrars
23:58 weevlos everybody thinks we don't have servers
23:58 rainrawr danielpbarron: how do i register
23:58 trinque weevlos: thread was more that DNS is and will always be in the hands of the enemy.
23:59 weevlos yeah
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