01:54 |
vex |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094711 <lol, if that's your cup of tea, go jump on a trawler, you'll come back with fat pockets |
01:54 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-09 17:59:10 crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-07#1093934 << fishing trip to torres wen? |
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02:13 |
vex |
get your seatime for MED while you make bank |
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02:45 |
vex |
thimbronion, are those es pilsners bueno? |
02:51 |
vex |
anyone got a ping on awt? |
02:59 |
vex |
must be buena cono mojado down that way, radio silence abounds |
03:03 |
vex |
did bingo renew? |
03:07 |
vex |
i'm sure he's fine but I worry about the guy. mp was like his big brother |
03:17 |
thimbronion |
vex: never had any beer down there |
03:17 |
vex |
pong |
03:18 |
vex |
you've already parted? |
03:19 |
vex |
I was wondering if I could slap a bitdime on the bar any party until it was expended |
03:20 |
vex |
is it a bit wild? |
03:20 |
thimbronion |
vex: yep back in the us |
03:21 |
vex |
perhaps wouldn't wanna flash 0.1 |
03:21 |
thimbronion |
very few places accepted btc |
03:21 |
vex |
ah |
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03:38 |
vex |
phf, i'm just drunk enough to ask what your medical condition was. what made mp think he had the best ambulance? |
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03:43 |
* |
vex is also sober enough to regret the action immediately, but the question stands |
03:46 |
vex |
I don't like to ask, it might be testicular |
04:00 |
vex |
yfw I marry mats in the next season of bridgerton. |
04:04 |
vex |
I gots to know |
04:10 |
vex |
tell me the story i'll give you the next foal from my stockhorse arab |
04:15 |
vex |
not a reall guarantee |
04:17 |
vex |
she's too tall; you might crack your head |
04:19 |
vex |
37s & 18s |
04:20 |
vex |
trucks to hrses |
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04:40 |
vex |
we might get asciilifeform on a horse yet |
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07:02 |
vex |
see pete dushenski at balenciaga show. mebbe you wanna see ferrari win @ monarco |
07:09 |
vex |
shits getting cooler |
07:09 |
mats |
stfu |
07:10 |
vex |
tru dat |
07:15 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe4dSJ3ifZc |
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08:00 |
mats |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094566 << reminds me of the weather underground |
08:00 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-09 13:33:48 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094556 << the 'movements', near as can tell, sum to 'brownian' motion. observe e.g. 'occupy'(tm) wankage flicked off like a lamp when the organizers achieved their actual aim, of being given minor academi-mandarinates |
08:03 |
mats |
so many white radicals from that era came out unscathed, unlike their black counterparts, and became celebrities and professors like bernadine dohrn and bill ayers |
08:06 |
mats |
what frightened the right was fundamentally the same thing that the left found a fetish |
08:09 |
mats |
funny how history rhymes sometimes |
08:12 |
mats |
ayers helped launch obama's career with a fundraiser many years later |
08:14 |
mats |
meanwhile, a photograph of obama and farrakhan was suppressed for more than a decade, made the papers a few years ago https://web.archive.org/web/20220312102003/https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/us/louis-farrakhan-facts-history.html |
08:21 |
mangol |
it's reasonable to suspect that any substantial movement in the US is astroturfed. or if not, infiltrated at some point (probably quite early) |
08:26 |
mangol |
any radical movement attracts chumps they can use as press fodder (print FUD about "zomg extremists") |
08:27 |
mangol |
a problem for reich is that the chumps tend not to be violent enough, so harder to print FUD |
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08:45 |
mangol |
justice for j6 "rally" is an obvious example from last year |
08:54 |
mangol |
today, BLM is a similar money+fame racket as you describe |
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09:13 |
mangol |
basically usg has been doing stuff like this for the last century; no grassroots movement will put a dent in it |
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09:30 |
mangol |
(obligatory babylon bee; and another) |
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12:16 |
* |
cgra still tuned in and breathing, while not sure what was meant here. possibly a confusion of someone/somewhere? |
12:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-09 14:02:19 asciilifeform: ^ possibly we're down to 1 finn |
12:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-09 15:30:10 mangol: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094635 << yes |
12:16 |
cgra |
anyway, hojo hojo mangol |
12:16 |
cgra |
been lately trying to revive a youth grappling hobby, for physical exercise (to balance office-like activity), and personal enjoyment |
12:17 |
cgra |
asciilifeform: also been in the process of grasping what it means for trb being completely at the mercy of the middle-man as it currently is. only apparent cure being the wot integration. currently thinking that banning some peers, keeping a list of anothers, is therefore not an extremely important aspect, if a middle-man could fuck you up anytime anyway: like distort all messages from your peers so that they end up all being banned. |
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12:17 |
cgra |
and perhaps this means that you could just have a relatively small list of recorded peer addresses and/or banned addresses, and not lose much, compared to current mechanisms |
12:18 |
cgra |
while instead, gain a predictable bound or two |
12:23 |
cgra |
jonsykkel: fwiw, i was impressed by your welcome =) |
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12:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-17 12:38:45 jonsykkel: tervetuloa mangol, tää on pastirol päivä |
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13:16 |
cgra |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094664 << may also find interesting (like i do) a band performing using heavy eastern finnish dialect (savo) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHbfpzjDE4 :D |
13:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-09 14:33:20 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094637 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWzaUkMvfZE |
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13:36 |
asciilifeform |
wb cgra ! |
13:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094976 << asciilifeform experimented with 'wot integration' for trb but abandoned, largely for the elementary reason that new blox inescapably come from 'wild' |
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13:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 08:15:59 cgra: asciilifeform: also been in the process of grasping what it means for trb being completely at the mercy of the middle-man as it currently is. only apparent cure being the wot integration. currently thinking that banning some peers, keeping a list of anothers, is therefore not an extremely important aspect, if a middle-man could fuck you up anytime anyway: like distort all messages from your peers so that they end u |
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14:22 |
cgra |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094984 << was thinking of trb with a pest interface in addition to the traditional one. so if you're plugged shut on the traditional front, can still communicate with your friends, assuming have enough friends not all of them being similarly plugged shut at the same time |
14:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 09:39:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094976 << asciilifeform experimented with 'wot integration' for trb but abandoned, largely for the elementary reason that new blox inescapably come from 'wild' |
14:24 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: would depend on what means 'plugged shut' neh. atm w/ wedge bugs, the world-facing noad (and sumbody has to have'em, or no blox) can be wedged |
14:26 |
cgra |
asciilifeform: by 'plugged shut' i mean, even if all the known trb oom disease was cured, there's still a middle-man who can fake incoming messages to whatever he feels like, such as invalid, ban-inducing blocks, and cause trb to ban each and every traditional peer |
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15:00 |
phf |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-10#1094941 << i had a sepsis. as far as mp and best ambulance, de mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est |
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15:00 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-10 23:37:52 vex: phf, i'm just drunk enough to ask what your medical condition was. what made mp think he had the best ambulance? |
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15:23 |
mangol |
cgra: morjens! 2 finns, what are the odds? lotto vetamaan. (apparently i can't type umlauts in my shell) |
15:23 |
asciilifeform |
phf: i recall, skiing wound |
15:24 |
mangol |
obligatory metal bands per 100k people |
15:24 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: right, there's no concept of 'authentic peer' or peer identity at all in traditional trb |
15:25 |
asciilifeform |
cgra: however, if yer in a hole where all yer connections are mitm'd, the objective imho is to get outta the hole . i.e. 'plug the funnel at correct end' |
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15:44 |
mangol |
one ex usg insider's opinion of the main thrust behind the ukr offensive (pun intended): |
15:45 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: [link][text] plz |
15:45 |
mangol |
one ex usg insider's opinion of the main thrust behind the ukr offensive (pun intended): |
15:46 |
asciilifeform |
ty |
15:46 |
mangol |
"the whole Ukraine issue is over hypersonic missiles that can reach Moscow in less than four minutes. The US wants them there, in Poland, Romania, Baltic States, Sweden, Finland. This is in direct violation of the agreements in 1991 that NATO will not expand in Eastern Europe. The US does not have hypersonic missiles now but should – in a year or two. This is an existential threat to Russia. So |
15:46 |
mangol |
they had to go into the Ukraine to stop this. Next will be Poland and Romania where launchers have been built in Romania and are being built in Poland." |
15:52 |
mangol |
US successfully tests scramjet-powered hypersonic missile in secret, in march |
15:53 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: see also. |
15:53 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-28 14:43:20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moar interesting is the 'big pic' -- the current war in fact started from 4th crusade, and continues episodically in form of various 'drang nach osten' by impoverished western eureichs, who will not give up dream of 'lebensraum' and delish phree minerals from 'unfairly squatted by orcs' 1/6th of planet3 |
15:53 |
asciilifeform |
issue aint re latest new rocket in particular. |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
( and see also. ) |
15:58 |
mangol |
the quote was about ru's motivation to go into ukr, not usg's |
15:59 |
mangol |
for usg, eastward expansion has probably been a goal since forever, but lacked the means |
16:00 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: in re the bigger picture. and not simply 'east expansion', but that reich rather obv. cannot survive 1) without continuing to get ru fuels & other minerals for ~phree 2) the continued existence of an alt-civilization |
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16:00 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-07 16:29:30 asciilifeform: lizards are terrified that there'll be 'where to defect to'. even in longest possible term pov. |
16:03 |
mangol |
also acute right now, usg is economically ruined |
16:03 |
asciilifeform |
( see also ) |
16:03 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-28 14:45:04 asciilifeform: at one pt, reich installed mole (gorby) and 'won', and feasted on the delish minerals + sawed-up su industrial base & manpower for all of '90s |
16:03 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-07 13:43:08 asciilifeform: ru demographic loss in '90s exceeded ww2 losses by solid margin. (and this not even counting the seceded territories) |
16:09 |
mangol |
so this is looking like a hail mary attempt to get into ru again before us collapses internally |
16:13 |
asciilifeform |
greatest existential threat to reich is the existence of an 'outside'. historically, and today. |
16:13 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-08 13:19:03 asciilifeform: likely 100% sincere. 'there's reich and, outside its walls, there's barbarism' etc |
16:15 |
asciilifeform |
'outside' is tolerated traditionally for so long as remains strictly a place to steal/buy 'for glass beads' minerals, exploit dirt-cheap labour, film picturesque carnage, etc |
16:15 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-24 12:00:33 asciilifeform: signpost: the 'controlled chaos' reich.strategy aint any kinda seekrit. |
16:19 |
asciilifeform |
where they can afford -- set up continuing bloodbath (iraq, syria, ukristan, even mexico); where cannot -- blockade |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: ukrowank was originally aimed to start in '14. but putin succeeded in keeping 'on ice' for 8y, buying time to conduct a hurried (and limitedly successful) 'deiphonization' (get off addiction to 'swift', 'visa', give eureich time to strange its fission plants, etc) |
16:23 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2014-03-12 asciilifeform: 'The guest post from Renée last week appeared on this blog because Huffington Post refused to run it. And now I hear that no comment linking the new Ukrainian government to the neo-Nazis or the neo-Nazis to the mass murder in Kiev can get through on any news site. It seems like there is an actual news blackout on this message.' |
16:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-08 16:52:46 asciilifeform: signpost: difficult to interpret the '14--present provocations ('let's shell coupla mil folx 24/7') in any other light |
16:24 |
asciilifeform |
*strangle its |
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17:23 |
mangol |
asciilifeform: 'deiphonization' = the current 'special operation' or started earlier? |
17:26 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: '14 |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
( see above. in '14 ru still relied on over9000 foreign services for basic function ) |
17:27 |
mangol |
ah, deiphonization in ru itself |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
17:27 |
mangol |
how can reich stay afloat if the us and eu economies stay on the current downward spiral? |
17:28 |
mangol |
and general competence |
17:28 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: current angle seems to be 'let's eat eu to run usa for anuther decade' |
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17:29 |
mangol |
yeah. the column from which i pulled the missile quote concluded the same |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
eu being a set of usa satrapies since '45, this is not proving difficult |
17:30 |
mangol |
"front row seat" right here. our leaders eagerly lap up everything us sends our way |
17:30 |
asciilifeform |
reich seems to have made this decision rather long time ago, e.g. in '16 turned it into dump ground for 'refugees' etc |
17:31 |
mangol |
us itself now following suit with the refugees |
17:31 |
mangol |
a decade is about the time in which the oldest lizards will die |
17:32 |
mangol |
are they really not planning further than that? |
17:33 |
* |
asciilifeform not infiltrated lizard hq, has nfi. but these by all appearances aint folx with long-term plans. |
17:34 |
mangol |
the thing that bugs me is that say what we will of us competence, a lot of their plays seem to work really well |
17:34 |
mangol |
how's it possible for people who can design and execute stuff like that to be so blinded by greed? |
17:34 |
mangol |
i reckon many of them have kids |
17:35 |
mangol |
who will live longer than 10y |
17:35 |
asciilifeform |
from pov of arbitrarily narrow top of pyramid, reich worx a++ bugfree |
17:35 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-14 14:13:44 asciilifeform: from the pov of the perps -- for whom 'function' is 'keep the yachts afloat' -- never been healthier |
17:35 |
asciilifeform |
while can find whom to eat. |
17:38 |
mangol |
"even the biggest dung heap has a top on which someone can stand"? |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
is how it worked since e.g. 'east india co', aint in any sense new scheme. |
17:39 |
mangol |
"the empire on which the sun never sets" version 2.0 |
17:39 |
mangol |
so if the top 50 lizards can get more yachts for themselves and their kids, they'll happily sacrifice the next top 500 lizards |
17:41 |
mangol |
i recall a couple years back many in the tech ceo tier went on a bunker buying spree |
17:41 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: near as can tell, is largely about sustaining old appetites in spite of shrinking resource base, rather than 'moar yacht' per se |
17:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-27 10:49:47 asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.) |
17:43 |
mangol |
what was threatening their current lifestyle? you'd think the top 500 lizards are utterly immune to shrinking resources society-wide |
17:43 |
mangol |
unless they fuck up their own society on their own initiative |
17:44 |
mangol |
the noob's eye view of the whole circus is the elite pissing on their own cereal for no particular reason |
17:44 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: the (take arbitrarily) '500' aint autonomous, require over9000 levels of pyramid to run. |
17:50 |
mangol |
the general trend seems to be squeezing the bottom of the pyramid to push more of the resources to the top |
17:50 |
asciilifeform |
post-medieval 'merchant' nobility was sustainable only in context of expanding resource base. in shrinking/stagnant resource base, the old (hereditary nobility, serfs, etc) system is the stable one. so currently reich activity all with aim to reorg into the latter. |
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17:50 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-06-08 11:27:33 asciilifeform: to give concrete example -- non-debased currency and freedom of commerce; but also somehow at same time feudal-style hereditary nobility. ignoring the historical fact that the former , on planet3, nailed the latter |
17:50 |
asciilifeform |
while maintaining pretenses, where possible |
17:53 |
mangol |
so the 'aspirational 15%' want to become merchant nobility, but the elite wants to turn them into batteries |
17:54 |
asciilifeform |
so, 1 obv. example, in usa the traditional 'carrots' of 'middle class' increasingly turning into myth/legend |
17:54 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-24 11:32:00 asciilifeform: the cancellation of middle class in the reich that mats was cheering for is moar or less the abandonment of the 'carrot', lizards appear to think 'stick' will suffice 4evah |
17:54 |
mangol |
i.e. "the death of the american dream" in mass media |
17:55 |
mangol |
need one hell of a stick |
17:55 |
mangol |
are they betting on machines to do all the work? |
17:55 |
asciilifeform |
past 'dead' and progressing into 'if you so much as mention it, yer a racist/terrorist/putler stooge' |
17:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-07 18:55:28 asciilifeform: characteristically, and in line w/ historical norm, the angriest folx aint the 'how do i make rent' but the 'grandfather had a farm, father had a house, i have 200k$ 'college' debt' people |
17:56 |
mangol |
so environmentalism / great reset / etc. is one of the major preparations for this |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: mno. work -- for slaves. a la e.g. brazil. category to eventually include ~erryone. |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: aka 'load shedding'. |
17:57 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-07-09 asciilifeform: i wonder if any of them ever encountered phrase 'load shedding' |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, lizards make apparently no secret of aim of 'great reset'(tm), 'you'll own nothing and be happy'(tm)(r) |
17:59 |
mangol |
yeah, fun to see the powerpoint presentations |
18:00 |
mangol |
but they can't make everyone slave away for them indefinitely without escalating the physical violence |
18:01 |
asciilifeform |
for so long as said violence sums to 0 -- sure, can, wainot |
18:01 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-09 13:48:28 asciilifeform: mangol: imho obv. to anyone whose 'third eye' is even half-open, that reich cultivates 'lumpenization', promotes degeneracy, and actively curates 'movements' which sum to 'break coupla windows, steal coupla tvs, then go home and od on dope', neutralizing the 'active' and terrorizing the 'passive' |
18:01 |
mangol |
current violence is at BLM levels at home, color revolution levels abroad |
18:01 |
asciilifeform |
100% curated. |
18:03 |
mangol |
i still fail to see how this scam won't reach a saturation point |
18:04 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: how do you picture 'saturation point' ? |
18:04 |
mangol |
people have had enough; life is too miserable for too many, lies too transparent |
18:05 |
asciilifeform |
then wat ? |
18:05 |
mangol |
counter-violence |
18:05 |
mangol |
muppet heads on stakes |
18:06 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: familiar w/ history of peasant uprisings in europe ? |
18:06 |
signpost |
what makes you think a mechanized military that can establish a green zone in baghdad will have any problem keeping antifa out of dc? |
18:07 |
mangol |
current trend is that the 'peasant' class will encompass virtually everybody |
18:07 |
asciilifeform |
it's about the structural invariants, rather the wunderwaffen. pyramidal order worked a++ even when both 'sides' were armed with entirely similar sharp sticks. |
18:08 |
asciilifeform |
(it aint about the fact that atm 1 has stealth bomber and other pistol, no) |
18:08 |
signpost |
yep, peasantry here gets their food from walmart, not their own field. |
18:08 |
asciilifeform |
*rather than |
18:09 |
mangol |
isn't technology the only way to arbitrarily grow the % of people who are slaves? |
18:09 |
signpost |
plenty of redneck larping about how they might, in retirement, grow a tomato vine or two. |
18:09 |
signpost |
later, you know. |
18:09 |
mangol |
lol |
18:09 |
asciilifeform |
w/ monsanto fertilizer, herbicide, plowed with john deere tractor, etc |
18:10 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: 'all slaves' is the historic norm, rather than requiring mega-tech. |
18:11 |
asciilifeform |
expanding resource base briefly gave departure from norm. |
18:11 |
mangol |
do you envision taking tech away from plebs as one main pillar of going back? |
18:12 |
asciilifeform |
selective taking. |
18:12 |
signpost |
why take the iphone, for example. |
18:12 |
asciilifeform |
keep the tracking collar; lose the suburban house, mercedes, etc |
18:12 |
signpost |
tracking collar, permissioned payment device, etc |
18:12 |
signpost |
heh |
18:13 |
mangol |
so only artistocrats having tech is like only aristocrats having weapons |
18:13 |
mangol |
force multiplier that lets them rule |
18:14 |
asciilifeform |
who rations resources (definitionally) rules |
18:15 |
mangol |
would be fun to see what kind of propaganda is used to introduce the idea that going outside without a collar is lame |
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18:15 |
asciilifeform |
worth to remember that industrial system is inherently centralizing. |
18:15 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-13 15:30:15 asciilifeform: really is an effect of industrialization, which is centralizing; result can be stalin, hitler, or fdr-flavoured, but otherwise very similar, there is no such thing as 'multiple elites' in a civilization in long term |
18:15 |
mangol |
where collar = implant, most likely |
18:17 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: no 'implant' simply from reich strategy of 'soft', i.e. deceptive, mutilation, rather than straight force |
18:17 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-25 15:18:30 asciilifeform: current reich is based on model of 'cheaper to guard the concentration camp if the inmates can be persuaded that they aint in one' ; |
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asciilifeform |
inmates queue up enthusiastically to buy tracking collar. |
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asciilifeform |
and wear proudly |
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asciilifeform |
and for most part, so well-behaved that aint even particularly interesting to track'em |
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mangol |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-26#1089054 << apropos |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-26 08:35:00 mangol: i.e. not secretive "defense contractors" but something hip and convenient sold to the public like an apple watch |
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mangol |
Weizenbaum: |
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mangol |
"I think the computer has from the beginning been a fundamentally conservative force. It has made possible the saving of institutions pretty much as they were, which otherwise might have had to be changed. For example, banking. Superficially, it looks as if banking has been revolutionized by the computer. But only very superficially. Consider that, say 20, 25 years ago, the banks were faced with the |
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mangol |
fact that the population was growing at a very rapid rate, many more checks would be written than before, and so on. Their response was to bring in the computer." |
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asciilifeform |
while the only marketable feature of implant remains 'difficult for victim to remove', will remain a niche thing ( e.g. asciilifeform's late cat had one ) |
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mangol |
the swedish startup spun it as a vaccine passport |
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asciilifeform |
mangol: weizenbaum was entirely correct, banking as currently seen in reich could have complexity-collapsed, resulting in reversion to historic practice. electro-banking -- gave it reprieve |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-14 20:07:52 asciilifeform: i.e. you go to yer l1 hawaladar. |
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asciilifeform |
mangol: consider why regular passport not implanted yet. |
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verisimilitude |
It's easier for an agent to have a fake passport? |
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asciilifeform |
for instance. |
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mangol |
asciilifeform: i expect the "killer app" for an implant to be making payments and/or opening door locks, if we're going with what's convenient |
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asciilifeform |
there's a large chunk of reich system which relies on 'unprincipled exceptions' |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-11 08:30:30 asciilifeform: cgra: nobody's in fact abolishing cash, it's an 'unprincipled exception' quite necessary for the reich to function, and attempts to phase it out give similar result to hruschev's idiocy |
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verisimilitude |
I ran into an issue with computerized banking lately. |
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mangol |
... or some kind of public health or airport security style "it's for your own good", if they're going the FUD route |
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verisimilitude |
I can buy a $500 dictionary set with no question, but when I purchase a few too many $1 songs at the same time, the debit card got locked, because that touched upon a heuristic method for detecting fraud. |
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asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: happens all the time. go to diff. petrol station than usual, locked, etc |
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verisimilitude |
As this happened at night, I was unable to receive a call, so I got a letter in the mail. |
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verisimilitude |
Fortunately, I only use the debit card in situations where I be unable to use anything else. I never use it when cash is possible. |
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mangol |
asciilifeform: can't the unprincipled exceptions be applied by the people who check the ID? |
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verisimilitude |
Some months, my server rental is the only charge. |
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mangol |
or gov't looking the other way when the right people carry hacked / modded ID |
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verisimilitude |
That's too complicated, mangol. |
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asciilifeform |
mangol: this requires ground-level people 'in on the scam' |
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mangol |
how's a modded or flashed chip different from a fake passport? |
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asciilifeform |
note that 'implanted keys' is a pretty great way to convert theft into kidnapping/murder/vivisection (depending on exact design of the key) , likely cools enthusiasm |
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mangol |
lizards fearing for own safety? |
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asciilifeform |
sublizards |
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mangol |
what's the threshold for lizardry |
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asciilifeform |
fwiw in asciilifeform's cosmography, a sublizard is a 'human' who directly executes orders from lizard, while exposed to 'humans' in daily context |
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asciilifeform |
the creation of this caste was, arguably, result of 1917 |
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mangol |
so lizard is someone too high up the food chain to have blood on his hands |
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asciilifeform |
high enuff that 'no one' knows name, face, or (most) even willing to ack that he exists. |
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asciilifeform |
from this pov, a face that appears on a podium, tv, fishwrap -- does not belong to a lizard. |
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asciilifeform |
the faces which do so appear -- changed 'like gloves' regularly |
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mangol |
sure - the gloves on which the blood |
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asciilifeform |
( see also ) |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-09 22:23:38 asciilifeform: mats: at this pt the logs span 2 sets of nominally opposite sets of washingtoni muppets. notice any serious change, visible to naked eye, in how reich operates , over this time ? |
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mangol |
even noam chomsky noticed that the two US parties have indistinguishable policies, over long enough timescale |
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verisimilitude |
They distinguish in meaningless ways. |
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verisimilitude |
Faggotry now, or in a few years. |
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verisimilitude |
Gun restrictions now, or in a few years. |
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verisimilitude |
But notice, mangol, funding for Israel now, and also in a few years. |
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signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095113 << I've an eink dumbphone with physical kill-switch arriving today, will post a review after a while. |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 14:14:18 mangol: would be fun to see what kind of propaganda is used to introduce the idea that going outside without a collar is lame |
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asciilifeform |
mangol: generally a plebe who attempts to discover (how?) concretes re identity of lizards, at best ends in a designated glue trap, similar to the kind erry bio lab in the world has for escaped mice. |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-25 12:38:16 asciilifeform: mangol: reich stratagem is to set up a perceived dichotomy where yer either 'with the program' or out in 'the lonesome deep space', outside the city walls, in company of 'martians did 9-11', etc. illiterates/schizos |
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asciilifeform |
signpost: been looking for 'dumb' pnoje which supports whitelists for many yrs. do post if found. |
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asciilifeform |
( pnoje which can't whitelist is imho rather useless, unless you can use 'like binladen' and not need to recv calls at all ) |
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signpost |
https://mudita.com/products/phones/mudita-pure/ << this thing, runs https://github.com/mudita/MuditaOS (based on freeRTOS) |
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asciilifeform |
coupla early 2000s models did, but today nonfunctional in asciilifeform's shithole, on acct of '2g' and '3g' cancellation |
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signpost |
so in principle oughta be able to mod to liking, but will let y'all know how easy it is to rebuild/reflash |
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asciilifeform |
interesting |
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signpost brb |
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asciilifeform loox fwd to signpost's review |
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asciilifeform |
brochure loox nifty. |
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phf |
pure mudila |
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phf |
asciilifeform: there's dumbphones with lte calling. i've been meaning to pick up one, but for now i just don't use a phone anymore |
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phf |
e.g. https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_us/nokia-225-4g?sku=16QENB11A01 |
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phf |
actually i think that's one of two that are generally available at usg stores |
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mangol |
http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095154 << which event in 1917? |
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bitbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 18:34:52 asciilifeform: the creation of this caste was, arguably, result of 1917 |
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mangol |
http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095153 << the interface is very sensitive since there's so much power at stake. afaik the only known way to ensure trust is to have a hierarchy where you rise by taking on increasing (and increasingly compromising) responsibilities |
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bitbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 18:34:15 asciilifeform: fwiw in asciilifeform's cosmography, a sublizard is a 'human' who directly executes orders from lizard, while exposed to 'humans' in daily context |
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mangol |
so someone like obama or gates rose as high up as you can rise from relatively humble beginnings |
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mangol |
above them, a network of "handlers" (where tf do these come from?), then the puppet masters |
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mangol |
as a thought experiment, i wonder if there's a also social status mechanism built into the brain that guards high-ups from remorse |
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mangol |
humans are social climbers. normies think movie stars or obama are the highest status people on earth and calibrate accordingly. |
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mangol |
the lizards were born on top of the world and have their own hierarchy where movie stardom is immaterial |
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mangol |
once you climb to the gates level, the brain probably starts to instinctively follow that hierarchy (as far as it can grasp it) |
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mangol |
so the whole concept of showing remorse toward people on the normie hierarchy starts to lose meaning |
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mats |
most of the lte dumb phones i've seen are android kaios, except for this one https://www.amazon.com/Jethro-SC490-Unlocked-Compatible-Certified/dp/B08D71WXYN |
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mats |
its android too, but not sure what exactly |
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asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095181 << lot of'em , but no whitelist |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 15:10:14 phf: asciilifeform: there's dumbphones with lte calling. i've been meaning to pick up one, but for now i just don't use a phone anymore |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 14:41:40 asciilifeform: ( pnoje which can't whitelist is imho rather useless, unless you can use 'like binladen' and not need to recv calls at all ) |
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asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095180 << lolyes. unfortunate branding |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 15:06:27 phf: pure mudila |
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asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
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busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $39733.66 |
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asciilifeform |
^ possib. recent waterfall refill |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-05 14:21:50 asciilifeform: ^ claimed '23e6 eur worth of btc confiscated' , i.e. ~546 btc then. |
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jonsykkel |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093177 << greatest thing ive ever seen |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-05 23:11:12 phf: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQkZzgXw_G8 |
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jonsykkel |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094979 << mycket kiitos, yeah i know the basics |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 08:22:07 cgra: jonsykkel: fwiw, i was impressed by your welcome =) |
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jonsykkel |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-07-22#1837162 << im curious about this idea, wat does sending below noise floor mean? would think the transmission must raise some band of the noise floor by a litle bit for receiver to able able to see |
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dulapbot |
(trilema) 2018-07-22 asciilifeform: basic idea, however buried under mountain of paper rubbish, is deadly simple : instead of periodic wave, you send shaped bursts of 'static' that cover entire $band ( ideally, below noise floor ); on other side, receiver has a correspondingly-shaped filter. pulse position encoding + luby etc. for receive. |
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jonsykkel |
where "able able" == "be able" |
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signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095167 << so far this thing doesn't suck. |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-11 14:40:06 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095113 << I've an eink dumbphone with physical kill-switch arriving today, will post a review after a while. |
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signpost |
grunting out the list of kernel modules necessary to tether with it atm. |
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verisimilitude |
Why won't idiots like you use TLS, as enlightened people do? TLS is easy and makes no trouble for anyone using it correctly. It's not as if the treadmill will consume the runner. Get with the times. |
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signpost |
"I'm sad guys, and I don't even know how to handle the emotion." |
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signpost |
imagine such a life that this, not the loss of a war, nor the starvation of a loved one, is the emotion impossible to handle. |
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signpost |
verisimilitude: also stop reading HN; it's bad for you. |
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verisimilitude |
Give me some other perch from which I may peer down and sneer at my lessers, then. |
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verisimilitude |
I've learned from them, learned how pathetic some people can be, to be specific. |
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verisimilitude |
On the topic of a phone whitelist, I recall finding it odd to hear of blacklisting functionality, but no corresponding whitelist functionality; they truly lack such? |
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shinohai |
HN is like a reddit where everyone takes HRT and loves Rust. |
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verisimilitude |
I occasionally find a what appears to be a genuine human on Hacker News; I invited one here lately, but he hasn't shown up. |
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verisimilitude |
He seemed to know quite a bit about Project Xanadu. |
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