| 00:00 |
jonsykkel |
defalt is once/sec 2 each peer |
| 00:00 |
jonsykkel |
whihc also ddoses blatas runing on laptop aparently |
| 00:00 |
crtdaydreams |
this would set to once 10 sec |
| 00:00 |
crtdaydreams |
ohshit |
| 00:01 |
crtdaydreams |
rip |
| 00:06 |
crtdaydreams |
still borked, will mess around when more bw to burn |
| 00:06 |
jonsykkel |
wat specifically borked? |
| 00:06 |
crtdaydreams |
o/ (also running 96 btw jonsykkel |
| 00:07 |
crtdaydreams |
there has to be a better way of doing addrcast that doesn't cook lappys and burn bw |
| 00:09 |
crtdaydreams |
for now will sit on it and examine protocol |
| 00:12 |
jonsykkel |
pest wont be particularily mobile plan frendly no mater wat u do, ignore pakets eat bw |
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| 00:13 |
jonsykkel |
laptopcooking is more of a python broblem |
| 00:14 |
jonsykkel |
ddosresistant pestron must be able to shovel away packets at rate of 100k+/sec |
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| 06:36 |
PeterL |
jonsykkel: do both peers have to do the port-hammering at the same time? won't it work if just one peer port-hammers, once the find a connection, won't it work both ways after that? |
| 06:50 |
jonsykkel |
PeterL: itll "work", but u will make the target infinitesmall (W=1 in my calculations) and drilling will take >1000x longer |
| 06:55 |
jonsykkel |
(spammer holds many ports open on his nat but only recvs packet with same src+dst port evry time so only 1 arow that can hit moving target. other guy recvs spam but holds only one port open so target is small) |
| 06:57 |
PeterL |
but aren't both people trying to hit that 1 in 65000 or whatever port that is open? having both people do it will only speed it up 2x? |
| 07:04 |
jonsykkel |
only in the case where nat is of the easy type, big problem is the fucked up nats that dont accept packets through that 1 port unless dst port AND src port match |
| 07:09 |
jonsykkel |
these ports corespond to the ephemeral ports assigned by both nats, and so are both outside ur control (barring any posible predictability in the pattern of ports assigned) |
| 07:21 |
jonsykkel |
the speedup is much greater than 2x cuz the act of u spamming is making the target biger for the other guy |
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| 09:30 |
PeterL |
maybe I am missing something ... if I spam your node, all my messages will be sent from the same port, so you still have only one target, right? |
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| 13:25 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: see the 'birthday paradox' discussion in the earlier link |
| 13:25 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-09-19 18:38:39 asciilifeform[4]: see also: this likbez re subj. |
| 13:27 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: note also that if 'addrcast went, but peer not answers' does not tell X (or Y) if a) X is behind evil nat b) Y is behind evil nat c) both X and Y behind evil nat |
| 13:27 |
asciilifeform |
so per the offered scheme, X and Y 'assume worst' ( i.e. (c) ) |
| 13:27 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-09-19 18:24:28 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|awt|signpost]: awt, phf, jonsykkel , et al: proposed 'hammer algo' : |
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| 17:00 |
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asciilifeform wonders whether hammer algo in fact reqs binding multiple unix sockets |
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| 17:27 |
signpost |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QqSYBUhmY << wild to watch this ratchet click forward. |
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| 17:44 |
awt |
WWI level idiocy on the NATO front |
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| 17:45 |
awt |
/s/front/side/ |
| 17:45 |
signpost |
front's probably right eh? |
| 17:47 |
signpost |
at any rate, what do I know about Putin, but he sounds sincere there. |
| 17:47 |
signpost |
and he sounds like someone who doesn't like what he's going to be forced to do. |
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| 18:40 |
asciilifeform |
lol not censored yet (normally these can only be seen on 'rutube' etc naodays) |
| 18:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-09-21#1013362 << they're perma-stuck in this for objective reasons |
| 18:44 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-09-21 17:44:44 awt: WWI level idiocy on the NATO front |
| 18:44 |
dulapbot |
(asciilifeform) 2022-04-11 asciilifeform: mangol: in re the bigger picture. and not simply 'east expansion', but that reich rather obv. cannot survive 1) without continuing to get ru fuels & other minerals for ~phree 2) the continued existence of [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-07#1083094][an alt-civi |
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| 19:18 |
awt |
Can't they? Build out nuclear in europe, remove restrictions on oil/gas drilling in USA/Canada. |
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| 19:53 |
signpost |
awt: the "can't" may be all in their heads, but that doesn't make it trivial. |
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| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
'invent parachute on yer way down from empire state building'(tm) |
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| 20:41 |
awt |
lol invent what? nuclear power? oil/gas extraction? |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
awt: invent means to make'em happen w/out 3-decade piles of forms in triplicate |
| 20:45 |
awt |
in that respect signpost is right, all in their heads |
| 20:46 |
awt |
Just astounding hubris |
| 20:46 |
awt |
Feel like I'm in the chorous of a greek play |
| 20:51 |
signpost |
what I see is suicidality. if a person can be, why not the aggregate of persons? |
| 20:51 |
signpost |
west does not want to live. |