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00:00 mircea_popescu there's no intrinsic quality that makes a text string "science". it's the signature on it. a repository of anon derpage can be an encyclopedia like a pile of ascari lumbricoides can be my wife.
00:00 mircea_popescu "hey, it's genetic material". sure it is.
00:02 Bet created: "15% incremental difficulty increase before April"
00:03 Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "15% incremental difficulty increase before April" Odds: 0(Y):100(N) by coin, 0(Y):100(N) by weight. Total bet: 2 BTC. Current weight: 100,000.
00:03 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "LTC to top one bitcent before March" Odds: 4(Y):96(N) by coin, 4(Y):96(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,975.
00:06 * BingoBoingo suspects dead virus "chicken pox" vaccine isn't possible without triggering serious autoimmune issues. Herpes is in our DNA.
00:08 mircea_popescu more like it's one of those viruses for which the capsid plays so many functions, it's not really anything without it
00:10 BingoBoingo Yeah. Also successful enough to bury its blueprints within our own almsot universally.
00:16 Bet created: "Cardano to Ship in 2015"
00:16 mircea_popescu wasn't there one of these ?
00:17 mircea_popescu lol 3. xmas, 2014 now 2015
00:17 mircea_popescu lucky asciilifeform is out of bitcoin, can't put nething down :D
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00:34 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Cardano to Ship in 2015" Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 5(Y):95(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,997.
00:39 thestringpuller damn asciilifeform can't get a break
00:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00065 = 18.07 BTC [+]
00:49 mod6 ;;bc,stats
00:49 gribble Current Blocks: 338158 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 529 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 10 hours, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44388130141.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.22019
00:50 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
00:50 gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
00:50 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market btce
00:50 gribble BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 282.048, Best ask: 282.049, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 282.048, 24 hour volume: 7930.86953, 24 hour low: 277.10599, 24 hour high: 291.979, 24 hour vwap: 284.542495
00:50 BingoBoingo US emigration law is fucked
00:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82051 @ 0.00065916 = 54.0847 BTC [+] {6}
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01:14 fluffypony lol, the XPY crowd apparently don't like CoinFire:
01:14 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( )
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02:02 thestringpuller !up MetatronOne
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02:38 mircea_popescu wo's thje xpy crowd ?
02:39 mircea_popescu lmao wait, garza's scamcoin now has an army on top of all the other things it doesn't have ?
02:39 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The Homero Garza cult
02:39 mircea_popescu wtf happened to "brick and mortar stores" ?
02:39 mircea_popescu not to mention a bottom line and stuff like that.
02:40 BingoBoingo Their problem is they lack an effective prophet of doom like the one we maintain in danielpbarron
02:40 BingoBoingo Essential cult 101 stuff
02:40 mircea_popescu lulzy anyway. cazalla pops their bubble, they go kill some dude in indiana ?
02:41 BingoBoingo To be fair unlike qntra coinfire keeps poking that dead thing instead of trying to respect the only enough bullets to kill it rule.
02:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00066284 = 24.9891 BTC [+] {3}
02:41 mircea_popescu heh.
02:41 mircea_popescu tbh, i dun see what further news can be had on it.
02:41 mircea_popescu "scam blew up."
02:41 mircea_popescu ok...
02:42 BingoBoingo Well, coinfire keeps talking about every new wound that emerges as it bleeds out.
02:43 BingoBoingo The qntra position in contrast is its dead, let it rot in relative peace.
02:43 * BingoBoingo swears a piece on Roger Ver and American emigration law is indeed coming. Looking like it will be the biggest turd I've dropped into qntra's bowl so far.
02:44 mircea_popescu have cazalla cut out words if unsure.
02:44 mircea_popescu news should be snappy.
02:45 BingoBoingo Organizing it is still the problem being wrestled with. Elbow deep in the horse rectum of 'Murican emigration law and hand's feeling numb because that sphincter is tight like East Germany's was.
02:46 mircea_popescu heh
02:46 mircea_popescu now im looking forward to see this thing
02:47 BingoBoingo Well. Working on getting this one right considering it may be applicable to my own plan to escape the moon by stacking chairs.
02:49 mircea_popescu
02:49 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4375.82 B (80%) on No | closing in 1 month 6 days | weight: 10`934 (100`000 to 1) ... ( )
02:49 mircea_popescu "That's quite publicity for MP for a mere 5 BTC (he owns half bitbet), maybe less. (It's obvious that bitcoin will go up faster, so not many will bet no)"
02:49 mircea_popescu gotta love the wisdom of the crowds.
02:50 BingoBoingo Sample preview sentence: While most civilized states merely require proof of onward travel in a form as simple as a plane ticket to a destination outside of their borders, United States consulates in making determinations however evaluate applicants "holistically" with an emphasis not on forward travel for potential visitors, but on return specifically to their country of residence.
02:56 BingoBoingo It's mostly just a mind fuck documenting the behavior of a gravity well from a non-astronomical perspective.
02:56 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i forget, what was the bitcoin bowl thing cost ?
02:57 BingoBoingo $500k for sponsorhips rights alone. The rest of the marketing all came with other costs.
02:57 BingoBoingo Actual owner of the game is "ESPN Events"
03:01 BingoBoingo So actual mindfuck. Many of the treaties offering USians Visa free travel... demand the US reciprocate...
03:02 mircea_popescu aha.
03:03 BingoBoingo If not always in the treaty text, often in the national laws of counterparty states reciprocity is mandated.
03:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00064595 = 17.4407 BTC [-]
03:12 mircea_popescu so ?
03:15 BingoBoingo Just weird digging into the ways the US really is rogue.
03:15 BingoBoingo Prolly easier to count they ways USia is compliant than deviant
03:19 BingoBoingo I mean the US has its own bizzaro EU with Microneia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau
03:20 BingoBoingo Germany only wishes the EU could be so lopsided
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03:44 mircea_popescu << lol remember last year ?
03:44 assbot And another one bites the dust : Picostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
03:47 mircea_popescu << pretty sweet.
03:47 assbot Jackson Palmer: I created $20m Dogecoin phenomenon and all I have to show for it is a jar of Nutella ... ( )
03:55 davout yay all hail gribble
03:58 davout thestringpuller: you can hardly resolve 'never launched', you may be able to decide whether something was active at some date
03:59 mircea_popescu
03:59 assbot Afraid of loss, ESPN makes fast cash on Bitcoin payment | New York Post ... ( )
03:59 mircea_popescu heh. some publicity.
04:00 davout i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"
04:01 davout mircea_popescu: <<< by all means :D
04:01 assbot Logged on 07-01-2015 19:12:27; mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to bring an exchange online willy-nilly.
04:01 mircea_popescu and then people disagree on what "main net" means
04:02 davout mircea_popescu: defined by the first block's hash
04:03 mircea_popescu i don't follow ?
04:03 davout or alternatively any current block hash
04:03 mircea_popescu so every orphan chain is "main net" ?
04:03 cazalla My apologies to any and all annoyed by my drunken spamming of the channel last night..
04:03 davout there's also the work part
04:03 mircea_popescu cazalla nobody cared.
04:04 davout also an orphan would only get 50 confirmations at infinity, not in a month
04:04 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu:
04:04 mircea_popescu davout there exists something like that already, "gavin's orphan chain won't die before 50 block long"
04:04 mircea_popescu in log
04:05 davout i think it missed the timeframe bit amirite
04:05 mircea_popescu an orphan can be any arbitrary length.
04:05 davout yeah, but if it manages 2016 confs in a month it has at least half the hashpower
04:06 mircea_popescu ...
04:06 mircea_popescu that's an interesting approach.
04:06 mircea_popescu confirm debit.
04:06 mircea_popescu isn't it 2160 btw ?
04:07 davout 2016 iirc
04:12 punkman
04:12 assbot On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" : Bitcoin ... ( )
04:16 mircea_popescu sounds great.
04:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform << gmaxwell aware enough to notice [one of] trezor holes.
04:26 assbot nullc comments on On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" ... ( )
04:33 mircea_popescu fluffypony that you in there, pointing out gmaxwell's idiocy ?
04:33 fluffypony mircea_popescu: yes
04:34 mircea_popescu you know, i despise reddit, and that thing's a fine example, like are many others.
04:34 fluffypony I applaud the test coverage, and I do agree that OpenSSL is shitty, but I don't understand the logic in writing from scratch
04:34 mircea_popescu but i do respect the sort of idiot that will actually go in there and do that sort of thing.
04:34 mircea_popescu it doesn't plead in favour for your intelligence, but it is certainly noble.
04:35 mircea_popescu so if you had to guess, how many previously innocent reddit read your comment and figured "hmm... there's something here" ?
04:36 fluffypony precious few
04:36 mircea_popescu well, don't burn out. intelligence is relatively common
04:36 mircea_popescu patience... rare.
04:37 fluffypony well at least it makes for a change from "omg gaw are skammirz, we had no idae"
04:40 mircea_popescu anyway, i very much doubt nullc actually has any idea as to what's going on, apart from being in the room when it was explained and now typing words on reddit. and i doubt wuille actually did anything deliberately nefarious there.
04:40 mircea_popescu but yes openssl is warty. especially for this use. and heck, more tests... never hurt.
04:49 mircea_popescu fluffypony how big is polarssl ?
04:50 fluffypony mircea_popescu: binaries or codebase?
04:50 mircea_popescu the ecc codebase specificaly
04:50 mircea_popescu i'm sort of pondering creating a "compare openssl / polarssl / blockstream ec implementations" research project
04:50 fluffypony hmmmm
04:51 mircea_popescu i mean, tests, sure, provable code, sure, random tests, sure.
04:51 fluffypony well
04:51 mircea_popescu i am a great believer in code analysis myself.
04:51 fluffypony the ecp functions and the ecp curves are ~3400 lines of code
04:51 fluffypony including comments
04:51 fluffypony lemme run a slocount on them
04:52 mircea_popescu that it ?
04:52 assbot polarssl/ecdsa.h at development · polarssl/polarssl · GitHub ... ( )
04:52 fluffypony 2206 actual lines of code
04:52 mircea_popescu this is not so horribru.
04:52 fluffypony no - in library/ecp_curves.c and library/ecp.c
04:53 fluffypony it probably needs some other DRY bits
04:53 mircea_popescu did blockstream actually publish the libsecp256k1 ?
04:53 fluffypony but that's the bulk there
04:53 fluffypony nfi
04:53 fluffypony they must've if it's in 0.1
04:53 fluffypony *0.10
04:53 mircea_popescu orly.
04:53 mircea_popescu
04:53 assbot secp256k1/secp256k1.h at master · bitcoin/secp256k1 · GitHub ... ( )
04:53 mircea_popescu there we go
04:54 fluffypony yarp
04:54 punkman I think that lib predates blockstream
04:54 fluffypony yeah it does
04:54 fluffypony March 2013
04:55 fluffypony I'll bbiab, have to go shopping
04:55 mircea_popescu um.
04:55 mircea_popescu so they made it for the vc backed firm by recycling some older stuffs ?
04:57 punkman probably someone else started it, they are trying to be relevant by doing "core" development now
04:57 punkman so they'll stick their noses in many places
04:59 punkman seems like it was Pieter Wuille's thing at first
05:04 mircea_popescu well, tomorrow's thing. laters all.
05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18516 @ 0.00065262 = 12.0839 BTC [+]
05:14 punkman
05:14 assbot The King Of Online Gambling (Is 34) - Forbes ... ( )
05:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00065262 = 36.4162 BTC [+] {2}
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05:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00064595 = 11.3364 BTC [-]
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06:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3465 @ 0.00062412 = 2.1626 BTC [-]
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06:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00063961 = 6.1403 BTC [+]
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07:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5506 @ 0.00063961 = 3.5217 BTC [+]
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08:19 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" Odds: 45(Y):55(N) by coin, 47(Y):53(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.35388047 BTC. Current weight: 92,212.
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08:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.0009305 = 2.7915 BTC [-] {4}
09:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00064548 = 16.7179 BTC [+]
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09:54 davout
09:54 assbot #bitcointalk-staff | ... ( )
10:07 thestringpuller davout: yea I don't know how to word it. i know how to bet on exchanges going down.
10:08 thestringpuller the 50 confirms on gavincoin chain is a little iffy
10:08 thestringpuller but it may work for now :\
10:12 davout thestringpuller:
10:12 assbot Logged on 09-01-2015 09:00:04; davout: i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"
10:13 thestringpuller that might work too
10:13 thestringpuller how do you resolve? I personally wouldn't trust as a resolution source
10:13 thestringpuller bitbet may be okay with it
10:15 davout why would you need to count blocks and count hashes?
10:21 thestringpuller you want someone at bitbet to count blocks manually?
10:22 davout simply running a client on both chains and reading its output would do just fine
10:22 thestringpuller but who would do that?
10:23 davout or am i misunderstanding something you're saying here?
10:24 davout i dunno lol, i'm just saying you don't need an intermediary to source the resolution data, the data is by definition public, right?
10:24 thestringpuller this is valid point. what constitutes a public resolution source? I may be overthinking. But Bitbets get stricter every year (for good reason).
10:26 davout the same source that makes us all agree on who owns which coins
10:28 thestringpuller :D
10:29 thestringpuller It would be interesting to see a blockchain war.
10:29 thestringpuller A historic event for the ages.
10:29 davout srsly, that could be one of the very few bets to be automatically solvable
10:29 thestringpuller you make a great point. just have to word the bet correctly.
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11:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00065262 = 12.0082 BTC [+]
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11:25 thestringpuller !t m s.qntr
11:25 assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC)
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11:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... gmaxwell aware enough to notice [one of] trezor holes. << the differential power thing is plain as daylight to anyone who has seen the published schematic.
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12:09 thestringpuller asciilifeform and his differential power analysis
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12:34 jurov he's looking forward to the day someone does DPA on his brain
12:34 jurov "i was right all along!!!"
12:34 adlai gribble's back!
12:35 jurov ;;seen gribble
12:35 gribble I have not seen gribble.
12:35 jurov nope
12:35 adlai this is OK, when they attain self-awareness we should start worrying
12:36 jurov << twinklevoss filing, part "risks"
12:36 assbot ... ( )
12:37 jurov "The Core Developers or other programmers could propose amendments to the Bitcoin Network’s protocols and software that, if accepted and authorized by the Bitcoin Network’s community, could adversely affect an investment in the Shares." huehue
12:37 adlai yes this is a document, it has been published, there are no risks because nothing is for sale yet
12:38 * adlai digs a little... hang on...
12:39 adlai here we go:
12:39 assbot ChangeDetection - Comparison of: Amendment No.5 ... ( )
12:39 adlai courtesy of leddit
12:43 davout jurov: what's a DPA?
12:43 jurov differential power analysis
12:43 davout oic
12:44 davout
12:44 assbot Bitcoin exchange Bitstamp says to resume trading on Friday| Reuters ... ( )
12:44 davout Merlak, 28, and his colleague Nejc Kodric, 25, both computer experts, founded Bitstamp in 2011. According to the Slovenian media the two had earned about 23 million euros ($27.2 million) from the enterprise which places them among the 50 richest Slovenians.
12:44 davout kekd
12:53 adlai and i'm among the 50 richest people from my army unit
12:56 davout i'm the richest of my living rool!11
12:56 davout *room
12:56 jurov tsk,tsk. so much jealousy
13:02 davout :D
13:09 thestringpuller jurov is still the coolest slovenian of all
13:10 danielpbarron
13:10 assbot - Adult Webmaster Forum - View Single Post - Hot or Not Worst Investments in 2014 ... ( )
13:13 davout thestringpuller: s/enian/akian/
13:18 jurov we're all somalians anyway
13:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1174 @ 0.00092021 = 1.0803 BTC [+] {2}
13:19 davout jurov: wrong, i'm nigerian
13:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4267 @ 0.0008903 = 3.7989 BTC [-] {9}
13:31 thestringpuller we're all nigerian
13:31 thestringpuller ls
13:32 ben_vulpes ;;ls
13:32 gribble What do you think I am, a shell?
13:32 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
13:32 gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
13:32 ben_vulpes ;;ticker --btce
13:32 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
13:32 ben_vulpes ;;ticker --market btce
13:32 gribble BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.749, Best ask: 284.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 284.749, 24 hour volume: 6868.74826, 24 hour low: 277.10599, 24 hour high: 289.0, 24 hour vwap: 283.052995
13:43 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi
13:51 thestringpuller welcome chairman popescu
13:53 mircea_popescu ohai
13:53 davout ello
13:54 mircea_popescu so what is all this leap second y2k v2.0 stuff lol
13:58 kakobrekla karpeles saves the day
13:59 assbot MagicalTux comments on [Daily Discussion] Thursday, January 08, 2015 ... ( )
14:00 mircea_popescu lmao tux still exists ?
14:00 mircea_popescu i hope hje's partenering with kenna to start a moon printing program
14:00 kakobrekla as the new bitstamp advisor?
14:00 mircea_popescu where they print 3d natural satellites.
14:00 mircea_popescu ahahahaha you're pulling my leg
14:00 mircea_popescu you are! you must be!
14:05 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol no, it is not going in the right direction.
14:06 mircea_popescu punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month, and i've only not neg rated him yet because gribblewas off.
14:06 mircea_popescu you're not welcome to keep pestering people in pms, and deedbot will be reimplemented for the third time.
14:06 mircea_popescu i hope i make myself clear.
14:09 mircea_popescu for that matter, if i find out the molokization of deedbot v2.0 actually has anything to do with your meddling, i'll negrate you too.
14:13 Apocalyptic "molokization" // in reference to Moloch ?
14:13 mircea_popescu no, in reference to some derp that implemented the first version and made an utter mess of it.
14:14 mircea_popescu !s from:MolokoDesk
14:14 assbot 629 results for 'from:MolokoDesk' :
14:14 Apocalyptic aha
14:15 mircea_popescu speaking of which, what are you doing these days ?
14:17 Apocalyptic in the bitcoin space not much, just keeping track
14:18 mircea_popescu can you implement the deedbot spec ?
14:19 Apocalyptic I don't think so, not qualified nor time for it
14:19 mircea_popescu alrighty.
14:19 mircea_popescu um. you wrote an alt-exchange at some point iirc ?
14:20 Apocalyptic indeed I did
14:21 mircea_popescu qualified enough then!
14:23 mircea_popescu "What do you tell family when they say IM is a scam?
14:23 mircea_popescu Main Internet Marketing Discussion
14:23 mircea_popescu by Dorian Anthony, 4th January 2015"
14:23 mircea_popescu lawl.
14:24 mircea_popescu "You can't tell them anything that will change their minds. You have to show them that money can be made online by actually doing it yourself. Don't be influenced by the nay-sayers, just prove them wrong."
14:24 mircea_popescu apparently bitcoin isn't half as revolutionary as we had thought. internet scammers had the exact same problems long prior.
14:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1158 @ 0.00086497 = 1.0016 BTC [-] {5}
14:34 ben_vulpes <thestringpuller> ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi << and?
14:34 ben_vulpes actually thestringpuller you can use docker to compile c on whatever and ship the resulting binary to the raspi
14:34 ben_vulpes neat trick, that
14:35 mircea_popescu how does that work ?
14:38 ben_vulpes i'll ask
14:40 kakobrekla Dear Bitstamp customers,
14:40 kakobrekla We are happy to announce that we are back open for business
14:40 kakobrekla * Bitstamp is now running on Amazon’s world-class AWS cloud infrastructure, architected to be one of the most secure and reliable cloud computing environments available.
14:40 mircea_popescu hey, glad i didn't bet.
14:40 mircea_popescu o.O
14:41 mircea_popescu well, let's verify this most secure computer environments claim.
14:42 mircea_popescu i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate.
14:45 joecool kakobrekla: aw man you mean they didn't choose godaddy shared hosting?
14:45 kakobrekla hehe
14:46 kakobrekla that only allows for up to 2gb of css.
14:50 mircea_popescu << americans. a century ago.
14:50 assbot ... ( )
14:51 kakobrekla hence the land of opportunity.
14:52 mod6 americans today:
14:52 assbot ... ( )
14:52 mircea_popescu i tell you, i look at those guys, i kinda wanna be friends.
14:53 mod6 werd
14:54 mircea_popescu anyway, "In its heyday, Empire Ranch was one of the largest in Arizona, with a range spanning over 180 miles, and its owner, Walter L. Vail, was an important figure in the establishment of southern Arizona's cattle industry."
14:55 mircea_popescu probably the source of all the cowboy and indian stories. and, notably, the first ranch where the queen bee woman actually settled down on the premises.
14:55 mircea_popescu it's very interesting to me from an anthropological pov, because you see, at the time everything was "empire", from film studios to pond shops.
14:56 mircea_popescu this one, however... this one succeeded.
14:58 mod6 if Vail, AZ (the city/surrounding area) is named after him, I used to live right by there.
14:58 mod6 the ranch certainly looks close.
14:59 mircea_popescu likely.
14:59 mod6 Yeah, the modern city/area of Vail is just north of where the historical ranch is located.
15:00 mod6 Beautiful land out there. At least, to me anyway.
15:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7285 @ 0.00085799 = 6.2505 BTC [-] {3}
15:01 mircea_popescu not really my cup, but then again we can't all gaggle in the same spots.
15:02 mod6 :]
15:02 mircea_popescu incidentally, this is a point often skirted by the "paradise on earth" folk, be they "bitcoin country" or anything-else-country (loads of these historically) : not everyone likes thesame!
15:02 mircea_popescu i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock.
15:02 mircea_popescu how the fuck can all this be accomodated in whatever Xtown.
15:02 mod6 haha. i love the desert.
15:03 mod6 part of it is, there arn't many people there.
15:03 thestringpuller mod6 only likes the desert cause he lives in tundra for 9 months out of the year.
15:03 mircea_popescu lol
15:03 mircea_popescu "finally, my toes no longer iced"
15:03 mod6 haha, perhaps. im sure ive had frostbite like 69 times
15:04 mod6 yeah!
15:04 mod6 when your digits start to thaw, they feel like someone hit them with a sledge hammer. not a ton of fun I tell you.
15:05 mod6 i do kinda wish i could grow a mustasche like those guys in the picture though.
15:06 mod6 :/
15:06 mod6 or :{
15:06 mircea_popescu lol
15:06 mod6 haha
15:08 thestringpuller so my buddy works for maxis
15:08 thestringpuller great guy
15:08 thestringpuller he was telling me that in the SimCity reboot
15:09 thestringpuller the music is all programmed in layers so that depending on what the user is doing the music triggers, but it's all timed to a single metronome: the heart beat of the city
15:09 mircea_popescu this is a good idea.
~ 22 minutes ~
15:32 kakobrekla < you may wanna extend this to coinbase
15:32 assbot Logged on 09-01-2015 19:42:28; mircea_popescu: i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate.
15:33 mircea_popescu why, got a bitcoin ?
15:33 BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch
15:33 scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo:
15:33 kakobrekla wai? cause using aws.
15:36 mircea_popescu it's not clear they actually have any bitcoin tho.
15:49 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock. << I imagine mircea_popescu taking the girls out to catch their own mink and fox
15:50 mircea_popescu lol.
15:50 mircea_popescu “Eventually, law enforcement knew and anticipated needing to enter the residence, in order to take the subject into custody. Based upon the information being developed through interviews and practices used by other agencies in the past, it became necessary to breech part of the outside area of the house to ensure the safety of all involved.”
15:50 mircea_popescu check this shit out!
15:50 mircea_popescu
15:50 assbot SWAT Team Demolishes Home To Arrest Man For DUI, Family Left Homeless | The Free Thought Project ... ( )
15:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00064548 = 12.5869 BTC [-]
15:51 mircea_popescu i wonder if there should be some sort of tracked or maybe flexible wing roof remover ? like a huge can opener.
15:51 mircea_popescu come in, deroof the house, remove suspect.
15:54 BingoBoingo We have naturally occuring deroofers that roam the countryside in favorable weather... Tornados
15:54 mircea_popescu can't leave that to nature.
15:55 BingoBoingo Well gotta do that design inspired by nature thing
15:56 BingoBoingo Most common size the things come in is fuck up a few trees and remove approximately one roof
16:05 ben_vulpes kakobrekla: they migrated off of heroku?
16:06 kakobrekla yes - they burned all the free resources.
16:06 ben_vulpes looool
16:07 mircea_popescu gotta be in the bezzle to be in teh bezzle eh ?
16:07 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: still setting modes by hand?
16:07 mircea_popescu btw, isn't salesforce now using ubuntu ?
16:08 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well, assbot wot not ready just yet.
16:08 ben_vulpes !up works tho
16:08 ben_vulpes !up Pierre_Rochard
16:09 * mircea_popescu shrugs.
16:12 thestringpuller Pierre_Rochard: you afoot?
16:12 Pierre_Rochard thestringpuller: sure am
16:12 thestringpuller assbot: wot should have better API for us to dock our interfaces into
16:14 jurov i suspect bitstamp is in shortage of people who can quickly and reliably set up iron. hence aws
16:15 mircea_popescu i thought they moved to bay area.
16:15 thestringpuller "moved"
16:16 ben_vulpes thestringpuller: i'd love to see api endpoints for all of the things too
16:21 jurov grrr i so hate spotting typos. and it's in first sentence. ( BingoBoingo see qntra comment )
16:21 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes what more than "here's the db" which nano already does ?
16:22 mircea_popescu prolly help if it were signed / dated, but that's not such a big deal.
16:22 mircea_popescu to implement i mean.
16:27 BingoBoingo jurov: Fixed, clarified
16:27 decimation << lol usg 'research': "The number of principal investi- gators for R01s who are 36 y of age or youn- ger has declined from 18% in 1983 to 3% in 2010. Today, more than twice as many R01s are awarded to principal investigators who are over 65 y as are under 36 y, a reversal from only 15 y ago."
16:27 assbot A generation at risk: Young investigators and the future of the biomedical workforce ... ( )
16:27 decimation "R01s" are "leading NIH research grants"
16:29 mircea_popescu heh.
16:30 mircea_popescu gerontocracy is necessarily a failure mode of soviet states
16:30 mircea_popescu generally because the living standards decay is obvious to the younger men.
16:32 decimation plus the aged have control over the levers of power, sufficient to 'raise the bar' to attempt to extract increasingly more effort from the young
16:32 mircea_popescu jurov brings a very interesting question re supporting eulora. we could in principle drop 32 bit support. now, if this were a crypto thing or any such high assurance system i'd never consider it. but it's a game.
16:32 decimation until they have their final birthday party
16:32 mircea_popescu what's teh republican senate think on the topic ?
16:33 mircea_popescu decimation perhaps. it only works if young women buy into ti tho.
16:33 decimation I think there's a soft-money aspect here too
16:34 decimation generally the soft-money treadmill is such that only those who have run the race for awhile actually have any assets
16:34 decimation << actually spinoza produced fine polished lenses
16:34 assbot Logged on 09-01-2015 00:39:45; pete_dushenski: and it might be a bit loose to call spinoza an inventor given that he only crafted words
16:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00065513 = 17.5247 BTC [+] {2}
16:35 mircea_popescu decimation define assets.
16:35 decimation fiat, fiat business stock, fiat bonds, promises from usg to pay
16:35 mircea_popescu ...
16:36 mircea_popescu i dunno. you can get plenty of such assets by simply catching aids.
16:37 decimation the republican senate 'in principle' opposes the taxes and spending required to give free medical care to old people, but in reality fully supports showering its vote bank with trinkets
16:38 mircea_popescu decimation i meant on teh 32 bit support issue :)
16:40 decimation heh in that case, the us senate supports whatever wintel tells them to, which is gonna be 64-bit
16:40 mircea_popescu this one lol.
16:40 mircea_popescu not that one.
16:41 jurov "Rep. X caught playing Eulora insession"
16:41 decimation that would be great publicity!
16:41 mircea_popescu "In 1980, the average Politburo member was 70 years old, as opposed to 55 in 1952 and 61 in 1964." << in this view the soviets fell because they couldn't find enough 85 yos for the 90s
16:41 decimation actually if you go to visit Congress in person (not recommended), you discover that they are never 'in session'
16:41 mircea_popescu (not entirely an inaccurate view, for that matter)
16:42 decimation 99% of the time the room is completely empty except for the speaker, a few derps on the podium, and a clerk or two
16:42 decimation everyone else in Congress has 'better things to do'
16:42 mircea_popescu well yes.
16:42 jurov not even when queen speaks?
16:42 jurov oh mn
16:42 jurov nm
16:42 mircea_popescu queen speaks in his own office.
16:43 mircea_popescu it's a very dysfunctional marriage, columbia.
16:43 decimation mostly, except for the annual 'state of the union', in which case it is very important to be seen 'in session' for the cameras
16:43 mircea_popescu but yes, decimation has a good point. nothing brings the abandonment of that republic clearer in view than going through its halls while on business.
16:44 mircea_popescu looks like Truant High.
16:44 assbot Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
16:44 BingoBoingo !b 8
16:44 decimation yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women
16:45 mircea_popescu only a minority of which with visible cum stains on dress/hair
16:45 decimation all of whom come for the promise of 'gaining access' to 'power', the appearance of which is doled out carefully in DC
16:45 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
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16:46 decimation up until a few years ago, it was permissible for anyone to walk into the Capitol and walk wherever they pleased
16:46 decimation suddenly 'because security' - tourist are now restricted to little groups led by a poor student
16:47 mircea_popescu this is perennially the case with free republics.
16:47 mircea_popescu why shouldn't you be able to go anywhere.
16:48 decimation well, the ostenisble reason is 'security', but the actual reason is that it is one more 'perk' that can be given as a favor by someone who appears to have power
16:48 thestringpuller real shit
16:56 mircea_popescu yeah, perianne boring is a product of a process, rather than a person.
16:57 mircea_popescu obviously that process only works in a narrow conventional field, to the degree it might as well be a literary device. but literary characters are not necessarily aware of their conventional nature.
16:57 mircea_popescu something like "tom sawyer pinched himself and saw that he was flesh and blood like any man".
16:59 decimation washington DC is famous for being 'inbred' in the sense that its 'experts' are all home-grown
17:00 mircea_popescu must suck for the kids in question.
17:01 decimation well, if they play their cards right they can scam fiat from outsiders hoping to 'change the process'
17:03 BingoBoingo !up badon
17:03 BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski
17:03 pete_dushenski cheers
17:04 mircea_popescu not at all what i mean. consider the difference between say, a carpertner apprentice and a cowboy apprentice, both 15 in 1915.
17:04 mircea_popescu "Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb ? Mother do you think they'll like the song ? Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls ?"
17:04 pete_dushenski a g'day gribbs
17:04 mircea_popescu legitimate questions, all fo them. and they always get the same answer, of course. but irrespective of how well the cowboy manages to re-adjust
17:04 mircea_popescu fact remains : yes, they will, and no they won't.
17:04 mircea_popescu he's moving on a dead track.
17:05 davout good evening
17:05 thestringpuller bonjour davout
17:05 thestringpuller ou c'est bon huit ?
17:05 mircea_popescu davout how goes the islamist revolution btw ?
17:06 davout wish i had an ak-47
17:07 mircea_popescu not that expensive is it ?
17:07 davout i have never looked this up actually
17:09 davout what's gun law like in argentina? can you just go and get one?
17:09 mircea_popescu should be about 1k
17:09 davout i mean legally
17:09 mircea_popescu legally i never inquired.
17:09 mircea_popescu if you want a gun legally, you should instead buy a cop.
17:10 davout that's pretty pragmatic
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17:10 BingoBoingo !b 3
17:11 BingoBoingo !up PeterL
17:13 mircea_popescu davout anyway, epic fucking police state you got there. so, some people driving through the armpit of paris run into three police patrols. because wtf, 30% of all paris works as cops or something ?
17:13 mircea_popescu NONE of which manage to do anything but get shot. why even call them police then ? what are they for, hussling people, right ?
17:13 mircea_popescu they don't stop crime, they just bother the 0.x% remaining parisians who actually have a job that's not enacted by hollande's fiat
17:13 pete_dushenski sounds like nyc
17:15 mircea_popescu what was it, 19th arrondisment ? that's like... barracas, basically.
17:15 mircea_popescu bottom 10th land values sort of affair
17:15 mircea_popescu how the fuck do you run into three police cars doing three miles in the utter periphery ?
17:17 BingoBoingo
17:17 assbot We live in a world where someone is paid money to Photoshop pubic hair into pictures of Justin Bieber.
17:17 davout what shooting are you referring to precisely?
17:17 mircea_popescu lemme dig up what i read. la liberte mebbe
17:17 mircea_popescu sec
17:18 davout police is annoying yes, they did save my ass once tho
17:19 mircea_popescu En quittant les locaux, les assaillants tombent sur un véhicule de police en ressortant dans la rue. Ils ouvrent à nouveau le feu avant de remonter à bord de leur Citroën. Une course-poursuite s'engage. Ils empruntent l’allée verte, une rue perpendiculaire à celle du siège de Charlie Hebdo. Croisent une autre patrouille de policiers, en VTT. Nouveaux tirs, sans victime. Arrivé sur le boulevard Richard-Lenoir,
17:19 mircea_popescu nouvelle fusillade: un policier, âgé d’une trentaine d’années et rattaché au commissariat du XIe arrondissement, est touché puis froidement abattu au sol.
17:19 mircea_popescu so. ran into a random patrol. shot at them. moved on, ran into another. shot at them too. ran into random cop. shot him too.
17:19 davout well, the third one isn't that close
17:19 davout but yeah, there are quite a few cops in paris
17:20 mircea_popescu but that's exactly my problem here. there are A LOT of derps masquerading as cops. neither of these is good.
17:20 davout the ones on their bicycle are the most problematic ones, they sneak upon you
17:20 mircea_popescu on one hand, because a lot means they're expensive, and taken from more useful stuff. on the other, because if the cop can't hold his own then why even have him.
17:21 mircea_popescu this isn't a "and they run into a cop while he had his back turned and shot him dead". this is "french police reliably can not hold its own against determined assailants". well...
17:21 mircea_popescu is the paris police force in danger of rape ? what's next ?
17:22 mircea_popescu should they carry mace and avoid walking alone at night to the car ?
17:22 mircea_popescu should they call home and have an adult male take them in hand ?
17:22 mircea_popescu are they dressed modestly enough ?
17:23 davout i guess we should simply send our cops to syria for training instead of our youth
17:24 mircea_popescu i'd rather have 10 cops that have a ld50 dose of 3 shooting assailants than 10k cops that basically constitute ballistic sacks.
17:25 davout choose which ones you buy carefully, problem solved
17:26 mircea_popescu yeah, except in a society that does this everyone's doing something else stupid to compensate willy-nilly.
17:30 BingoBoingo,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/j0jq63xywdxvuhvlnrvg.jpg
17:30 assbot ... ( )
17:31 mircea_popescu lol
17:32 BingoBoingo That was the ambassador's actual christmas card two years ago
17:32 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
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17:35 mircea_popescu is that kinda gay ?
17:35 asciilifeform yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women << zoologically interesting phenomenon. visit wash. d.c, they're everywhere - restaurants (incl. costly ones), $xx mil houses, 7 to a room...
17:36 mircea_popescu right.
17:36 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well here was the next year's card,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/vxvototrhpzistnpens3.jpg
17:36 assbot ... ( )
17:36 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And then this year's,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/sxfqpmm6ionp6fndxgv8.jpg
17:36 assbot ... ( )
17:36 mircea_popescu my intuitition!
17:37 BingoBoingo My bet is he wanted that ambassadorship for the swedish twinks
17:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ak-47... argentina... should be about 1k << wai wat. sure not off by a zero ?
17:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform HE wanted one, not me. he's in paris.
17:39 mircea_popescu i can scarcely imagine what i would want an old assault rifle for.
17:39 asciilifeform iirc one can buy rifles in fr
17:39 mircea_popescu i've really not kept up with it. maybe not, they're commies.
17:40 mircea_popescu im sure one can buy an ak if one asks for it in romanian tho :D
17:40 asciilifeform even here in usa many (most?) of such rifles offered for sale are originally made in ro
17:41 mircea_popescu im sure.
17:41 asciilifeform according to one source, it is because a large quantity of semi-automatic ak was once produced in that country (for a civil militia project of some kind, iirc)
17:41 mircea_popescu cugir "sewing mahcine" factory turned out millions of em.
17:41 mircea_popescu yeah, the civil militia project of selling as many as possible, once the jews ran out.
17:41 mircea_popescu in the 80s
17:42 asciilifeform a very peculiar kind of 'mechanical crippleware', this 'street legal ak'
17:43 mircea_popescu aha ?
17:43 BingoBoingo !up Pierre_Rochard
17:43 asciilifeform two (?) missing small parts, slightly different bolt, according to schematics
17:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo perhaps can comment
17:46 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Havent' looked much at how AK crippleware is done. AR becomes cripple ware because metal that should be missing is not
17:47 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ?
17:47 assbot ... ( )
17:47 asciilifeform (ar)
17:48 asciilifeform (is 'ar' simply alias for the well-known 'm16' ?)
17:48 BingoBoingo Well m16 is subtype of AR and I was thinking the "lower reciever" which is legally the gun and not the bolt
17:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the molokization of deedbot v2.0 << wai wat? sabotage ?
17:50 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: On the bolt you can also notice difference aside from the one where the arrow points
17:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88400 @ 0.00065579 = 57.9718 BTC [+] {2}
17:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: as a reverse engineer, i find examples of 'crippleware designed to be annoying to fix' conceptually interesting wherever i find it
17:52 asciilifeform at least i assume the rifle was designed to be somewhat annoying to uncripple, considering, iirc, that this was required in usa
17:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maybe it's just the way those pictures were taken but rotational differences in some of the bolt's cuts appear.
17:55 * asciilifeform genuinely wonderf wtf happened to deedbot 2
17:57 asciilifeform what, precisely, are the plausible worlds here. i can really think of just one - it lost db, and author pulled it down ?
17:59 BingoBoingo I imagine molokization refers to socially engineered time sink where thing works, obstacle, thing goes off the rails
18:00 asciilifeform yes but what obstacle.
18:01 BingoBoingo Nebulous, but a time sink. One that delays implementation of thing that by all means seemed to work as advertised up until obstacle.
18:04 PeterL From Trilema "Jobs Board" post: "You are expected to negotiate your own pay." << This is where I demand 1200 USD/mo for upkeeping scoopbot, right?
18:09 mircea_popescu PeterL lol first and last sentences :D
18:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have no idea. the last attempt to resuscitate v2.0 died on the 5th ( ) and that's that.
18:14 assbot Logged on 05-01-2015 04:43:52; mircea_popescu: punkman this really has been very poorly communicated.
18:25 asciilifeform !s software does not fail
18:25 assbot 3 results for 'software does not fail' :
18:26 RagnarDanneskjol my understanding is the first bot went down b/c my friend disi found a server vulnerability which I promptly brought to your attention (I originally recommended you NOT have moloko do admin / continued development b/c I knew he was not suited for it). I followed the recent convo here and lead me to understand the only issue with punkbot was the vps got flooded and shut down...that's punkman's understandi
18:26 RagnarDanneskjol ng too I believe.
18:26 PeterL mircea_popescu: "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of codebases worth 5 bux." << These are things that the programmer should care about, because he will have to maintain the thing in the future.
18:27 RagnarDanneskjol re molokization of deedbot v2.0 - no idea what you're talkin about? has nothing to do with me. also don't recall pestering anyone here ever..once in a blue moon I will ask questions in pm if I'm not authed/voiced.
18:27 mircea_popescu certainly.
18:27 mircea_popescu make sure you read it as intended tho
18:27 mircea_popescu "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of (codebases worth 5 bux)."
18:27 PeterL goes along with point 2: things not stated are up to programmer
18:28 asciilifeform what, however, determines what codebase is worth ?
18:28 asciilifeform the worth of what dies if the proggy fails catastrophically?
18:28 mircea_popescu that is up to management.
18:29 PeterL or are you saying you care about readability of good (expensive) software?
18:29 mircea_popescu PeterL of important software.
18:29 BingoBoingo << Turns out Micon apparently has a price
18:29 assbot So /Bitstamp is back. Looks like there's a familiar BTC price premium there as people dump their fiat.
18:29 mircea_popescu there's nothing wrong with peripheral hairs, is what i'm saying. the idea is to not have hair in the core, on the liver, inside the lungs.
18:30 mircea_popescu having the skin covered in hair seems evolutionarily beneficial.
18:32 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
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18:33 mircea_popescu heh the web exchanges trending up ?
18:34 PeterL for some value of "up" and some value of "trending"
18:34 BingoBoingo Well, more level. Stamp has a premium though
18:35 BingoBoingo !up copumpkin
18:36 copumpkin hi :)
18:36 mircea_popescu how goes.
18:36 copumpkin well, sitting in a train station
18:36 copumpkin what's new?
18:37 PeterL One thing I like about qntra is that, unlike lots of other news site, there are no auto-playing videos on EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE. bleh, stupid media sites
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18:38 BingoBoingo !b 1
18:38 PeterL heh, I think that is my first bashed line :)
18:39 BingoBoingo O.o
18:39 mircea_popescu qntra can't afford flash.
18:40 BingoBoingo No, Flash can't afford qntra.
18:40 mircea_popescu also.
18:42 PeterL flash sucks, I seem to remember reading they are no longer supporting Linux platforms for thier new updates?
18:50 * adlai imagines it's mutual
18:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00065153 = 27.8855 BTC [-]
18:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36443 @ 0.00064428 = 23.4795 BTC [-] {2}
19:05 mircea_popescu it prolly is mutual at that.
19:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00065754 = 2.0713 BTC [+]
19:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12034 @ 0.00065754 = 7.9128 BTC [+]
19:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2599 @ 0.00066027 = 1.716 BTC [+]
19:22 BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch
19:22 scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo:
19:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15334 @ 0.00066036 = 10.126 BTC [+] {2}
19:25 PeterL you know, you could pm him -fetch
19:25 BingoBoingo Really?
19:25 PeterL yeah
19:26 mircea_popescu i recall reading that yeah
19:26 BingoBoingo Cool
19:26 PeterL if you pm him, you don't need to include scoopbot, just -fetch
19:28 BingoBoingo
19:28 assbot ... ( )
19:28 kakobrekla !s fetch from:kakobrekla
19:28 assbot 8 results for 'fetch from:kakobrekla' :
19:28 kakobrekla
19:28 assbot Logged on 05-01-2015 17:57:08; kakobrekla: i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner.
19:29 kakobrekla and few lines more.
19:29 cazalla i don't know if anyone saw that ipad game that pays out 0.0001.. i fucked around with it for an hour or so and earned 0.0003, i'm sure some indian is setting up a sweatshop to farm it 24/7 as we speak
19:30 BingoBoingo lol
19:30 asciilifeform cazalla: this kind of thing has been done in the past; e.g., amazon corp's 'mechanical turk'
19:31 PeterL what do you do in this game to earn it?
19:31 cazalla asciilifeform, but this app pays out the moment it awards you, i'm trying to think of a homer simpson drinking bird means of doing it but no go
19:32 asciilifeform cazalla: instrumented emulator.
19:33 cazalla PeterL, you throw a monkey as far as you can plus the dev alleges he will use the in-game adsense type revenue to purchase more bitcoin and increase the bitcoin payouts for users
19:33 assbot SaruTobi - YouTube ... ( )
19:34 davout PeterL: could you add to scoopbot?
19:34 assbot | bitcoin et al. ... ( )
19:34 cazalla you wouldn't bother playing it for the payouts but i'm sure someone for who $2 a day is a lot would find it worthwhile
19:37 PeterL davout sure
19:38 davout ty!
19:44 mircea_popescu cazalla $2 a day can't be a lot if you're stuck with a $500 piece of machinery + the bills for its maintenance.
19:44 asciilifeform unless the $500 machine emulates 100,000 click-idiots
19:44 cazalla steal one from whitey
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19:44 BingoBoingo !b 3
19:45 PeterL davout: let me know if your posts don't show up
19:47 kakobrekla actually i can just make assbot pm scoopbot 'fetch' every 30 seconds and noone will ever know i fixed it.
19:47 mircea_popescu lmao
19:48 mircea_popescu PeterL how often does it scan feeds anyway ?
19:48 mircea_popescu can it be set so it scans every minute, on a diff second by the blog list ?
19:48 PeterL kakobrekla: scoopbot is set to check blogs every 5 minutes, some people are impatient
19:48 mircea_popescu kakobrekla is 5 minutes too slo ?!
19:49 mircea_popescu i thought it was like a half hour
19:50 kakobrekla i just find the whole fetch command thing silly.
19:50 PeterL I think it might have been 15 minutes when I first made it?
19:50 kakobrekla possibru
19:51 PeterL well, cazalla asked for it, and it seemed easy enough to include
19:51 kakobrekla 5 is better i guess idk rss sucks scam
19:51 mircea_popescu kakobrekla srsly polling much more frequently than that's just a waste.
19:52 kakobrekla yes there is only 20 years of internets left to go around
19:52 kakobrekla use it slowly.
19:55 mircea_popescu eh the world will live for five minutes at a stretch.
19:56 scoopbot New post on by thestringpuller:
19:57 mircea_popescu PeterL i even excluded your parser from teh branding programme
19:57 PeterL branding program?
19:58 BingoBoingo Branding Pogrom?
19:59 mircea_popescu if you look at the feeds they start with a token which describes the parser for my use
19:59 mircea_popescu i used it extensively in the 2010-2011 period to identify and ban content spinners
19:59 mircea_popescu haven't had a problem since.
20:00 PeterL Is that what that garbledy gook is at the start of the feed summary is?
20:00 mircea_popescu yeah
20:00 PeterL EG "NjkuMTYyLjY0Ljgy What's anon talking about ?"
20:01 mircea_popescu yes
20:01 PeterL so that tell you what parser accessed your site?
20:02 mircea_popescu yes.
20:03 mircea_popescu then if i see my stuff republished on mfa farms/whatever later on, it's trivial to ban the leech.
20:03 PeterL aha, I see. please don't ban me
20:07 mircea_popescu no the reverse.
20:07 mircea_popescu it shouldn't pop in your feeds no more.
20:08 asciilifeform << no, not really plaintextable. but interesting.
20:08 assbot ... ( )
20:09 PeterL "NDkxNDIwODUyMDg4fDY5LjE2Mi42NC44Mg== What's anon talking about" I think it got longer?
20:09 asciilifeform (the first work i've chanced into on this subject, in many years, that isn't a regurgitation of old, tired pablum)
20:10 mircea_popescu uhm.
20:10 asciilifeform it's actually about embezzlement
20:10 asciilifeform of reichsmarks, naturally
20:10 asciilifeform 'for science!'
20:11 mircea_popescu PeterL you actually using multiple ips ?!
20:11 asciilifeform decimation, ben_vulpes, undata ^ recommended reading
20:11 PeterL well, there are two, one for the scoopbot and one for the blog agregator
20:11 mircea_popescu well they got whitelisted both.
20:13 PeterL is that going to take some time to take effect?
20:13 mircea_popescu as soon as varnish catches on, i guess.
20:19 punkman asciilifeform genuinely wonderf wtf happened to deedbot 2 << lack of hosting admin, mostly
20:19 punkman mircea_popescu: punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month << I accept that
20:20 PeterL punkman: you are saying the thing works, you just need a server to run it on?
20:21 punkman no it needs a sysadmin for the server, plenty of servers to be had
20:21 punkman Azelphur offered to do it couple of days ago, but too late I guess
20:25 PeterL asciilifeform: your linked death-ray pdf, in text:
20:25 assbot ... ( )
20:26 asciilifeform PeterL: considerably less interesting without illustrations. and mangled formatting.
20:26 asciilifeform PeterL: the 'it's still a turd, not sausage, even with relish' principle applies even here.
20:26 asciilifeform PeterL: and we all have 'pdf2txt' or the like on our boxes. it isn't a solution.
20:29 undata asciilifeform: thank you sir; I will
20:29 PeterL " bullets with enormous electric charges would be accelerated in a special valve and emmited with several times the velocity of light." <<< lol
20:30 asciilifeform PeterL: at the time, various folks (including mr. t) were experimenting with electron tubes of various descriptions. t claimed to have one 'open to the air' on one end (!)
20:30 asciilifeform !s valvular conduit
20:30 assbot 0 results for 'valvular conduit' :
20:30 asciilifeform ;;google valvular conduit
20:30 gribble Nikola Tesla'sValvular Conduit best video - YouTube: <>; Tesla valve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Nikola Tesla's "Valvular Conduit" -- The Tesla Gas Turbine Patent: <>
20:31 asciilifeform you can build one. it sort-of works.
20:31 asciilifeform about 1/3 greater velocity of flow in one direction than another.
20:31 decimation asciilifeform: "Germán Armando Plett’s knowledge was scraped together from the ‘Deutsche La Plata Zeitung’ (German La Plata Newspaper) and the nightly German radio broadcasts he was devoted to." << shortwave broadcast is dying, I guess because internet
20:32 asciilifeform decimation: don't be so quick to bury it. there's plenty on the air - just not in english.
20:33 decimation deutsche welle, in particular, doesn't broadcast in german anymore (to my knowledge)
20:33 decimation I think Russia still operates their Russian foreign broadcast service
20:34 decimation So does China
20:34 asciilifeform sw is 'the spare internet.'
20:34 asciilifeform best to not forget it entirely.
20:35 decimation the problem is that the 'image' of shortwave is AM broadcast, but nothing prevents advanced digital schemes
20:35 asciilifeform aside from atrocious 'lossiness' - but this is where highly-efficient 'graceful degradation' schemes like fountain-coding come in.
20:36 asciilifeform (using the latter, conceivably, you might leave your receiver running for three days and in the end a light comes on; and then you can hear an hour-long broadcast.)
20:36 PeterL how high of bandwidth could you transmit over shortwave?
20:36 decimation well, it's not just the high noise - it's also the terrible multipath that arises due to ionospheric propagation
20:37 decimation but multipath can also be an advantage...
20:37 decimation PeterL: a 'standard' shortwave channel is 4 kHz in width, through which you can push maybe a few kilobits/sec depending on what kind of scheme you are using
20:39 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> (using the latter, conceivably, you might leave your receiver running for three days and in the end a light comes on; and then you can hear an hour-long broadcast.) << could leave it right to the rainfall collecting bucket
20:39 mircea_popescu and listen to it while you bathe.
20:40 asciilifeform ^ aha.
20:40 asciilifeform (pessimistically)
20:40 mircea_popescu anyway, it may be that the entanglement experiments come to fruition, and shortwave as well as the current telco version of internet become obsolete at the same time.
20:41 mircea_popescu instead, people having in their house the quantum equiv of gossipd
20:41 decimation asciilifeform: herr shannon's limit ultimately governs your ability to push bits through a channel
20:41 mircea_popescu (incidentally, that's kind of what that's designed with in mind. if we get quantum boxes, gossipd will be the killer app for it)
20:41 asciilifeform decimation: more prosaically, details like sunspot cycle and whether you are being jammed (deliberately or otherwise)
20:41 asciilifeform entanglement << dicy, as it mostly entails ftl
20:42 mircea_popescu quite dicy yes
20:42 decimation indeed, as well as fine-grained details like your latitude, time of day, solar flares, etc
20:42 mircea_popescu but that'll happen before "quantumcomputing" of any description, so...
20:43 decimation if anyone is interested in simulation, usg publishes a free software package to simulate shortwave paths:
20:43 assbot VOACAP Online - professional-grade high-frequency (3-30 MHz) point-to-point propagation predictions ... ( )
20:43 asciilifeform entanglement diddling makes exotica like gravimetric comms, neutrino beam (!), etc. look realistic.
20:43 decimation (that is a web 2.0 'front end' to the prediction program
20:45 PeterL would 3-d printing help in manufacturing on of those tesla valves?
20:47 asciilifeform btw entanglement to transmit rng to two ends is sop
20:47 mircea_popescu kinda what quantum noise means
20:47 asciilifeform (transmit synchronously)
20:57 BingoBoingo
20:57 assbot Lizard Stresser Runs on Hacked Home Routers — Krebs on Security ... ( )
20:58 BingoBoingo No surprises
21:00 mircea_popescu heh. what's per pps cost ? or how do they price ?
21:01 BingoBoingo Haven't looked.
21:02 mircea_popescu "The botnet is not made entirely of home routers; some of the infected hosts appear to be commercial routers at universities and companies"
21:02 mircea_popescu orly. im sure they're "commercial" in a sense other than, "moar bezzle"
21:02 asciilifeform like most chumpnets.
21:05 mircea_popescu "While you’re monkeying around with your router setting, consider changing the router’s default DNS servers to those maintained by OpenDNS."
21:05 mircea_popescu it's funny how these write-ups never fail to include some call or other to "join the horde"
21:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: traditionally they invite you to use google's dns (
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21:06 BingoBoingo !b 3
21:06 mircea_popescu the agenda of computing security is moved towards increased pwnability in the exact same way and for the exact same reasons the agenda of political discussion is moved towards increasing socialism.
21:07 asciilifeform there isn't a 'good' dns, though. the very concept is a kind of contradiction, like a pleasant jail
21:07 asciilifeform one can picture a terrible, mexican jail
21:07 asciilifeform and a very demented isp with malignantly spamwildcardy dns
21:07 asciilifeform but not 'good'
21:08 mircea_popescu but one can readily understand why a verizon for dns is worse than any alternative.
21:08 asciilifeform i'm told that other major telcos in usa have something not unlike it.
21:11 asciilifeform mega-lol!! :
21:11 asciilifeform 'hackforums'
21:12 asciilifeform anyone who wants a good laugh, should visit the site
21:12 asciilifeform these folks actually -buy- malware from one another
21:12 asciilifeform and 'installs' (i.e. chumps)
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21:13 BingoBoingo !b 4
21:13 asciilifeform often, even when source for xxxx is available, an idiot will pay (good money) to have 'a build'
21:13 mircea_popescu why not ?
21:13 asciilifeform spammers abound, offering 'installs' or soliciting to spam by the pound
21:14 Bet placed: 4.72760085 BTC for Yes on "Cardano to Ship in 2015" Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 83(Y):17(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.97039888 BTC. Current weight: 99,745.
21:14 asciilifeform sites like 'hackforum' are probably responsible for the 'man on the street' believing that there are vast oceans of money in crapware
21:15 asciilifeform whereas many if not most of the folks involved have little intention (or ability) to pay the promised sums, or deliver, in many cases, the goods
21:16 asciilifeform (some - do, sure; but adding up all of the 'puts' and 'asks', if you will, at face value, is still naive)
21:16 mircea_popescu re : after an ad-hoc consultation half hour ago, the s.nsa board authorised a 4.72760085 BTC bet on the delivery side (1% of s.nsa equity).
21:16 assbot BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2015 :: 4.93 B (83%) on Yes, 1.04 B (17%) on No | closing in 11 months 1 week| weight: 99`744 (100`000 to 1) ... ( )
21:16 mircea_popescu i
21:16 asciilifeform ^
21:16 mircea_popescu i'm counting it as a marketing expense, unless we win, in which case hey, free money.
21:18 mircea_popescu for background
21:18 assbot The positive market effects of the delivery bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
21:18 asciilifeform 'Based on information provided by A.B., the Secret Service used facial recognition to identify Jack Farrel as Ryan Andrew Gustafson.”' (krebs)
21:18 decimation lol ascii did you put your last bitcoin on 'no'?
21:18 asciilifeform funny how this mostly slipped by
21:18 asciilifeform decimation: lol!
21:20 mircea_popescu who was jack farrell
21:20 asciilifeform
21:20 assbot Alleged Counterfeiter “Willy Clock” Arrested — Krebs on Security ... ( )
21:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5407 @ 0.00066646 = 3.6035 BTC [+]
21:22 Bet created: "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015"
21:23 decimation lol "According to the government’s complaint (PDF), the email address that Gustafson provided on his U.S. passport application was the same one he allegedly used to maintain a Facebook account under the Jack Farrel alias."
21:23 asciilifeform << another lol from krebs, re: 'hackforum'
21:23 assbot Even Script Kids Have a Right to Be Forgotten — Krebs on Security ... ( )
21:23 BingoBoingo A Poetteringism
21:23 assbot Fedora Development -- Re: timedatex replacing systemd-timedated for NTP packages ... ( )
21:25 danielpbarron !up beautyon
21:25 beautyon So it's war then.
21:26 BingoBoingo Yeah
21:27 BingoBoingo This war was foretold long ago
21:27 assbot The tundra artichoke from frozen hell. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
21:28 mircea_popescu lolwut
21:28 mircea_popescu wtf bs "right to be forgotten". there's no such right, unless they're forgotten they're remembered.
21:29 beautyon The enemy must be contacting all the miners in private to get them to switch. Or is that irrelevant?
21:29 decimation the romans tried damnatio memoriae
21:29 decimation didn't work very well
21:29 asciilifeform the phrase is, i think, a reference to an eu-ism
21:30 asciilifeform
21:30 assbot Right to be forgotten | Technology | The Guardian ... ( )
21:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo am i thick or is the answer about as related to what it quotes as gavin's "covered" is related to economy ?
21:31 BingoBoingo !up Percy_Montesquie
21:31 mircea_popescu beautyon even if a vast majority of miners switch it still doesn't do anything for him.
21:31 mircea_popescu doubt they will. some pool ops might be clueless enough to try and hijack the network to please gavin/usg, but that's ok, they'll get shot later.
21:32 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm just building a metaphor based on Past Trilema posts which is surprising easy when you write as much as you. I figure the Tundra artichokes can be worked into a sort of Tarqin/Poppy reference.
21:32 mircea_popescu lol
21:32 decimation << Yezhov was friends with Stalin
21:32 assbot Nikolai Yezhov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
21:32 mircea_popescu i had plainly forgotten that article, imagine my surprise when i see an unfamilir title called up and the server actually respond.
21:34 beautyon mircea_popescu: Surely he must know in that case that he cannot possibly win and this change will be rejected. It means forsaking control of the future direction of the standard and ceding it to you.
21:34 BingoBoingo Well isn't that what Trilema's for. So you can save your memory's immediate recall juice for more pressing issues.
21:35 BingoBoingo beautyon: Gavin really doesn't even seem to like Bitcoin that much anymore.
21:36 beautyon BingoBoingo: Then he should walk away. Unless he _likes_ being a lightning rod.
21:37 BingoBoingo beautyon: Well he can't quit without becoming a nobody so he prolly figures he might as well try to kill the thing himself.
21:38 mircea_popescu beautyon i don't think you understand how the us politico mind works.
21:39 beautyon BingoBoingo: I actually believe that might be true on a subconscious level. Astonishing.
21:39 mircea_popescu as far as they're concerned, any stupidity they try is ok, "nobody could have foreseen it won't work" and it's putin's fault.
21:39 BingoBoingo beautyon: If you want a historical thing similarly sank by mircea_popescu
21:39 assbot Soft consensus, aka fecal matter. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
21:39 mircea_popescu i fully expect them to try, fail, and then spend the next six months writing how mp is a scammer all over reddit/the boy's bathroom
21:39 BingoBoingo ;;google stock exchange holders on welfare
21:39 gribble The Implications of Limited Stock Market Participation for ...: <>; How Shareholders Are Hurting America - ProPublica: <>; Real Output OF Stock Exchange.pdf - Stanford University: (1 more message)
21:40 BingoBoingo ;;google stock exchange holders on welfare
21:40 gribble The stockexchange shareholders on welfare pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <>
21:41 mircea_popescu i don't know that vessenes' happy scamfarm is or ever was involved in anything to do with standards.
21:41 mircea_popescu for that matter, bitcoin does have a standards body,
21:41 assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( )
21:42 beautyon mircea_popescu: as long as it stays on Reddit that's fine. They had better prepare to back down quickly, or suffer losses. Sadly these feeble men run to the courts habitually which may or may not be a nuisance.
21:43 mircea_popescu eh, you need money for that.
21:43 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 92(Y):8(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,962.
21:43 mircea_popescu vessenes' outta dough, the rest of the scammers involved are barely solvent and burried under tons of lawsuits (karpeles, caleb, ver, kenna, you name it)
21:44 mircea_popescu they recently announced "they will focus on btc core", ie, "we can't afford anything past gavin's salary". and not even that for all of 2015.
21:44 mircea_popescu so... it's a wart in full process of taking care of itself.
21:44 decimation I wonder why there is so much action against gold
21:45 beautyon Andressen, Wilson, Brito: two multi millionaire Statists and a Washington wonk, hell bent on the law. It will be interesting to see if they are for fork / suicide.
21:46 mircea_popescu what wilson ? cody ?!
21:46 beautyon If only!
21:47 joecool mircea_popescu: nice domain for the foundation, did you guys actually fix 0.5.3 to fetch all blocks???
21:47 mircea_popescu iirc mod6 reported that this is now the case
21:48 mircea_popescu in the most recent monthly address
21:48 mircea_popescu beautyon who then ? that guy with a blog, whatever it was called ?
21:48 beautyon
21:48 assbot 2/ the answer is not to ignore them or fight them. the answer is to educate them, inform them, and work with them
21:49 mircea_popescu o, that dood. *shrug*
21:49 BingoBoingo Ah, the comedian
21:49 mircea_popescu i have my doubts he's allowed to commit anything past words in this matter.
21:50 mircea_popescu anyway, he's welcome to participate in bitcoin just as soon as he completes his log reading stage and persuades anyone his head's not full of straw.
21:51 beautyon Their loss of control is going to harden their attitudes. I can't wait to see them squirm.
21:53 BingoBoingo They never really had control of anything.
21:53 mircea_popescu beautyon anyway, for a very instructive example of how the courts work for bitcoin "captn's of industry", there's that recent hashfast debacle
21:53 mircea_popescu
21:53 assbot HashFast - or why the fiat legal system doesn't actually exist and doesn't actually matter pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
21:55 danielpbarron !up beautyon
21:56 beautyon BingoBoingo: That realization will make them even MOAR furious. They are out of time, and these silly associations are window dressing at best.
21:57 BingoBoingo beautyon: I don't see how they could not know. I mean they can't even get their favorite to stop bleeding because they pay $145/CPM for TV marketing
21:58 mircea_popescu yeah, a lot of ground has been lost since the hearn attack.
21:58 mircea_popescu wasn't such a smart move, that.
21:59 mircea_popescu and for that matter, i marked mtgox for death in april, they struggled to prop it for six months before abandoning it ignominously, i do not believe they do not know they can not stand.
21:59 mircea_popescu the half or so that's left, anyway.
22:00 mircea_popescu actually... quarter i guess. buncha people left last year too didn't they. is murky boy still involved ?
22:01 BingoBoingo Murckckkck left the Fundnation
22:01 BingoBoingo Because he just wanted to lobby
22:01 mircea_popescu ah ok.
22:02 beautyon That HashFast schmuck had good lawyers.
22:02 mircea_popescu beautyon hardly.
22:02 mircea_popescu you don't pay good lawyers out of 50k a year.
22:02 mircea_popescu wait no. 50k net worth and 500 a month.
22:03 beautyon But didn't he just walk away essentially?
22:03 BingoBoingo Oh he got the whole farm
22:03 mircea_popescu this is the rule in corp bankruptcy proceedings as administered in the us
22:04 mircea_popescu you actually do better by not even hiring a lawyer.
22:04 mod6 <+joecool> mircea_popescu: nice domain for the foundation, did you guys actually fix 0.5.3 to fetch all blocks??? << yup.
22:04 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> you actually do better by not even hiring a lawyer. << Personal bankruptcy differs in that you get a lawyer because it compells phone spam aggro to their number and not yours
22:05 mircea_popescu sure, personal's anothermatter, especially if you had any assets.
22:05 decimation personal bankruptcy is basically a well-oiled chumpatron
22:05 joecool mod6: solid, i'll open a bug to get it included in gentoo (and troll Luke-Jr)
22:06 mircea_popescu lol
22:06 mod6 :D
22:07 BingoBoingo <joecool> mod6: solid, i'll open a bug to get it included in gentoo (and troll Luke-Jr) << He prolly has a historical version of his patch set s should be fine with it.
22:08 BingoBoingo !up shovel_boss_
22:08 beautyon By the way, are you going to publish a low level guide to warn everyone thinking about "upgrading" to the fork? Forearmed is forearmed.
22:09 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> sure, personal's anothermatter, especially if you had any assets. << Nah, you get the lawyer in personal ESPECIALLY when you don't have assets
22:09 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i meant in terms of getting raped.
22:09 mircea_popescu beautyon you could.
22:09 BingoBoingo beautyon: mircea_popescu laid out basics, but more guides written differently could help more innocents get the picture
22:09 assbot If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
22:10 beautyon I'll do it.
22:10 joecool mod6: are there plans to patch things like change predictability?
22:12 mircea_popescu joecool CVE-2013-2273 you mean ?
22:12 joecool yes
22:13 mircea_popescu weren't they working on 5.9 ?
22:14 joecool 0.5.3 is the version linked on
22:15 mircea_popescu right you are.
22:16 mircea_popescu i shall let teh experts comment.
22:19 mod6 joecool: not at this time, but that might get added to the list at some point.
22:21 mod6 the list is getting lengthy, but we're not going anywhere, so we've got time.
22:22 joecool cool, you want any patches submitted for review on stuff like this?
22:22 asciilifeform mod6: here's something i was gonna put in 'chicken' (init patch) but somehow forgot: version string.
22:23 asciilifeform mod6: presently it spits out the traditional one. perhaps this should change at some point.
22:23 mod6 joecool: here's a guide to submitting a patch:
22:23 assbot ... ( )
22:24 mod6 if persons submitting patches do not have L2 trust with assbot they may be submitted directly to me, and I will review. and will probably have to sponsor said patch myself.
22:25 joecool nah shouldn't be a problem, i have L2
22:25 joecool format looks easy enough to follow, cool
22:25 mod6 yup, shouldn't be an issue for you. we'd love the help.
22:26 mod6 asciilifeform: ah ok. hmm. well, too late to go back and edit the 1st patch. but i guess you can submit another that resolves that issue.
22:26 Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,885.
22:26 * mod6 looks
22:26 asciilifeform mod6: i'm leaving this for the folks actually involved
22:26 asciilifeform one of you will have to pick the new string.
22:27 * asciilifeform just wanted a fscking hardcopy of bitcoind
22:27 mircea_popescu joecool> cool, you want any patches submitted for review on stuff like this? << definitely that part.
22:27 mircea_popescu send to the list, signed.
22:27 mod6 asciilifeform: sure. ben & myself were just discussing this yesterday actually. heh. not sure what this version will be called yet.
22:28 mod6 might be v0.5.3.1
22:28 asciilifeform change predictability << personally i'd like to see the problem solved in the civilized way. i.e.
22:28 assbot Logged on 23-10-2014 05:06:33; asciilifeform: decimation: in my (now very old) plan for rewrite, there were to be two machines
22:29 asciilifeform walletron doesn't belong in the net stack. or on that box at all.
22:29 mircea_popescu someone refresh me on what exactly that vuln was anyway ?
22:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7056 @ 0.00066962 = 4.7248 BTC [+]
22:31 asciilifeform the entirely nonsensical way in which the client decides what to do with 'change'.
22:34 mircea_popescu so what you can spend other people's change ?
22:34 mircea_popescu iirc that was due to a bad hardware "rng"
22:34 asciilifeform neh that wasn't it
22:34 asciilifeform that was another one.
22:34 asciilifeform (the duplicate nonce thing)
22:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3264 @ 0.00066802 = 2.1804 BTC [-]
22:35 mircea_popescu joecool do you recall what that cvs actually did ?
22:36 asciilifeform
22:36 assbot Bug 462046 – net-p2p/bitcoind, net-p2p/bitcoin-qt: multiple vulnerabilities (CVE-2013-{2272,2273,2292,2293}) ... ( )
22:37 mircea_popescu 2293 i recall was a retarded dos that had about 0 practical use
22:37 asciilifeform anyone else puzzled that nowhere on the net - including above 'canonical' page - tells us wtf it did, in detail ?
22:38 asciilifeform my sole recollections are from a brief discussion here, i think.
22:38 mircea_popescu i dunno why but drawing a blank
22:39 asciilifeform the default change behaviour is asinine (owing to how it destroys wallet backup as a concept) but i cannot recall how it can be seen as 'vulnerable'
22:41 joecool i guess should look and see how they patched the behavior
22:41 asciilifeform the whole cve paradigm is pure nsa, incidentally
22:41 asciilifeform a 'chinese encyclopaedia' of, for the most part, mystery meats
22:42 mircea_popescu but since we're discussing this, CVE-2013-2292 is still not fixed ?
22:42 asciilifeform with 'the full dirt' presumably stowed away somewhere far.
22:42 mircea_popescu (the take forever to verify tx thing)
22:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yteah i am quite unhappy with an' suspicious of the current avenues for fixing "open source" software.
22:43 asciilifeform this goes beyond the merely suspicious or ill-reputed, but is shitgnomery plain as daylight
22:44 asciilifeform cve is the sec. research equivalent of the 1990s 'winamp playlist' (who remembers these ?)
22:44 mircea_popescu i still have them
22:44 mircea_popescu how do YOU listen to music ?
22:44 asciilifeform 'mplayer'
22:45 asciilifeform (cmd line proggy)
22:45 asciilifeform but the playlists in question were a fashion where kids posted them on their 'look i have a w3bs1t311111'
22:45 asciilifeform but no warez behind the names, naturally
22:46 mircea_popescu anyway, a point of strategy, which i think everyone'll appreciate cuz it's lulzy. so : the scam foundation and its merry band of power rangers have very carefully constructed this situation where "nobody knows" what's what and whence it came and where it's going, because they (wrongly) perceived that ownership of an opaque codebase will guarantee them control and continued relevance.
22:47 mircea_popescu the problem with this approach is that once challenged, they can not i nfact produce a list of what they did.
22:47 mircea_popescu outside of handwaves and "it has been covered in previous posts", three years of "development" can readily be discarded and nobody'd know the difference.
22:48 mircea_popescu how's that for irony.
22:48 asciilifeform they could try to worm out of this tight spot by coughing up a 'wunderwaffen'
22:48 asciilifeform but it seems doubtful
22:49 asciilifeform incidentally, 'disregard x years and you'll never see the difference' is sop on usg projects.
22:52 joecool !up xe4l
22:52 xe4l thanks
22:53 xe4l new rng someone passed along
22:53 assbot OneRNG - Hardware Random Number Generator ... ( )
22:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you have any idea what sort of work's involved in coughing up wunderwaffen that weren't planned for ?
22:53 asciilifeform !s onerng
22:53 assbot 4 results for 'onerng' :
22:53 asciilifeform discussed in detail.
22:53 mircea_popescu xe4l was mentioned b4
22:53 xe4l rgr ty
22:53 asciilifeform xe4l: do read the linked threads.
22:54 xe4l already reviewing
22:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wunderwaffen that doesn't have to defeat the enemy, but look impressibe - is a little easier.
22:54 asciilifeform *impressive
22:54 mircea_popescu considering whom it has to look impressive to...
22:54 mircea_popescu defeating enemy prolly easier.
22:55 asciilifeform at any rate, why would the phoundation's handlers cut their funding now ?
22:55 asciilifeform unless they have a replacement muppet brigade on hot spare
22:55 mircea_popescu what do you think this is, some sort of wh fast tracked project ?
22:56 asciilifeform by the looks of it, probably a 'they showed up' kind of affair
22:58 decimation what would a 'wunderwaffen' even be like? some kind of fatal bug they secretly fixed?
22:58 asciilifeform decimation: neh. something more like a 'new, shiny, xxxxx' reimplementation in $trendylang
22:58 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> at any rate, why would the phoundation's handlers cut their funding now ? << Hearding 101. If the sheep don't want to move on you let them get hungry in their overgrazed pasture. Makes them more receptive to new grass.
22:59 asciilifeform ^ relevant:
22:59 assbot ... ( )
22:59 asciilifeform (re: general chumpatronics. begs to be photodiddled.)
22:59 decimation asciilifeform: based on their current work 'output' that scenario seems very unlikely
23:00 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: pretty much
23:00 asciilifeform the muppets' work? sure. handlers? could extract it (from where? don't look at me) and put in their hands
23:00 asciilifeform like stone tablets to moses
23:01 BingoBoingo It's systemd all over again. Work is their enemy. Enemy is merely interested in producing anti-work.
23:01 xe4l in review, onerng pros: cheap, shielded cons: hobbyist level device, design flaws
23:01 asciilifeform !s spreading works
23:01 assbot 19 results for 'spreading works' :
23:01 decimation lol yeah that poster is hilarious. the best cattle *volunteer* for the bioreactor
23:02 asciilifeform
23:02 assbot Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.'
23:02 asciilifeform xe4l ^
23:02 xe4l hahahahaha
23:02 BingoBoingo Related: We just detected that you’re now among the most attractive people on OkCupid. << Profile picture is a Llama. Not metaphorically or anything. Picture is actual shaggy Llama.
23:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why are you on a zoophile site ?
23:04 asciilifeform (appears to be a logical inference here? llama was voted up?)
23:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah. Bitcoin accepting merchant "Okcupid". Simply probing a data aggregator that happens to accept BTC.
23:06 xe4l anyone using traffic creation software to mask activity? Eg: all internet connectivity from residence is routed out vpn(s), using QOS and traffic simulation software you maintain say 10mbit worth of various traffic (replaying or creating all relevant encapsulated protocols in use) with a low QOS setting such that your consumption is undetectable?
23:07 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> Related: We just detected that you’re now among the most attractive people on OkCupid. << Profile picture is a Llama. Not metaphorically or anything. Picture is actual shaggy Llama. << ahahaha wut.
23:07 asciilifeform xe4l: let's imagine we were. wouldn't discussing it here defeat the purpose of the exercise ?
23:07 xe4l in this context, not really actually
23:07 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: why are you on a zoophile site ? << it's not a zoophile site. it's a women's site.
23:08 asciilifeform xe4l: were you here for the 'buried treasure' thread ?
23:08 xe4l negative
23:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actual woman on dating site? lol wtf
23:08 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nominally they accept Bitcoin and the same founders also made the thing. Gotta see if the average man on it looks worse than an ungulate.
23:08 mircea_popescu kakobrekla he's right isn't he ? 1400 btc the most ever bet in a single bet on bitbet innit ?
23:08 assbot Here's part n of our endless saga, aptly titled "The People Know Shit" or alternatively "Nothing's Dumber Than The Voice In The Crowd". pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
23:09 xe4l !s buried treasure
23:09 assbot 10 results for 'buried treasure' :
23:09 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: actual woman on dating site? lol wtf << Site in question kept my dick wet through Library school.
23:10 mircea_popescu xe4l there's a deeper point involved here. stealth does not work in and of itself, as a strategy. if you want safety, you deploy an army. if you want to play the stealthy, you attach yourself to something with an army.
23:10 xe4l I'm quite aware of Opsec
23:10 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But since the founders made the Keybase abomination, I want to find out how much their original venture lies
23:10 xe4l it's trivial to detect if someone is or isn't doing what I described, it's merely a layer to mask activity inside of a segment
23:11 asciilifeform << buried treasure thread. instructive.
23:11 assbot Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom
23:11 xe4l talking about how you deal with protocol timing attacks would go more with the buried treasure opsec concept
23:13 kakobrekla yes, good to know it works with numbers over 1k.
23:13 mircea_popescu well really, over 100000000000
23:13 kakobrekla hehe
23:13 mircea_popescu xe4l i guess i don't understand what the purpose would be
23:14 xe4l it's trivial to sniff most connectivity, especially wireless
23:14 mircea_popescu right...
23:14 BingoBoingo "Google Adwords"
23:14 assbot St. John's College | After St. John's - Careers - Alumni Outcomes ... ( )
23:15 asciilifeform it's trivial to sniff most connectivity, especially wireless << >> 'it is trivial to steal most objects, especially rotting squirrels in parks'
23:15 xe4l the size, shape, duration, timing, etc of our traffic, no matter how encrypted still provides a wealth of information
23:16 xe4l if for instance, your laptop, desktop, phone, whatever; always did 10mbit of encrypted traffic with variations in timing, packet size, etc
23:16 mircea_popescu i think you will soon discover if you ever get to the practical side of things that denying ALL INFORMATION to an undefined attacker is a function of infinite budgets.
23:16 mircea_popescu in general, to keep 99% out of any attacker's hands you'll need to spend 100x what they spend.
23:17 asciilifeform
23:17 assbot Logged on 05-01-2015 05:22:48; mircea_popescu: Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing.
23:17 asciilifeform !s invert matrix
23:17 assbot 2 results for 'invert matrix' :
23:17 * xe4l has a background in information security consulting for fortune 100's
23:17 mircea_popescu << one of the most idiotic articles on btc
23:17 assbot Bitcoin's Shocking Resilience and Achilles' Heel | Benzinga ... ( )
23:17 mircea_popescu "David Smith
23:17 mircea_popescu David is on track to retire in two years from investing in bitcoins. David wants to help you understand the once in a lifetime opportunity this digital currency revolution provides."
23:17 asciilifeform (naggum, of course)
23:17 assbot Logged on 27-08-2014 01:00:10; asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.'
23:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00066802 = 1.1356 BTC [-]
23:17 mircea_popescu "david has a mental issue that makes him see vivid scenes from literature and also forces him to write about himself in the third person."
23:18 xe4l what I'm talking about is simply providing less information, right now all of our connectivity generates a substantional amount of noise that can be intperetered, my thought is to shift that to, they are transmitting and receiving or they aren't
23:19 mircea_popescu i guess something on udp then
23:19 asciilifeform xe4l: let's start with the fact that 10mb/s will instantly promote you to your isp's 'hog list' in some, if not all, isp
23:19 decimation who is 'they', and what are you transmitting or receiving?
23:19 asciilifeform wasn't on a list the day before, and now you are.
23:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform now that's an excellent approach to make the point.
23:20 xe4l asciilifeform: it was a crude example, a proper implementation would do fancy shaping, but normalize the overall traffic pattern; I'm sure residential providers wouldn't like this, but MPLS/VPLS, metro-e, routing over peering/IX - it's irrelevant
23:20 decimation asciilifeform: what is comcast's 'secret' bandwidth cap these days? a few hundred gigabytes per month
23:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i got a piece of junk mail once, advertising specially-made capsules (for folks who have no idea how to use a saw or glue?) for buring rifles.
23:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: picture the fool who buys this, with his credit card, has it sent, etc.
23:21 mircea_popescu decimation 60 from what i hear.
23:21 xe4l over wireless you would pulse, your receiver would always transit and receive say 10mb every hour on teh hour
23:21 asciilifeform 'whatamoron' - lizardhitler
23:22 mircea_popescu xe4l i don't get what the attacker is supposed to think here. "oh, it's ok, that's just what that weird node does" ?
23:23 asciilifeform xe4l: student exercise in traffic analysis. << litecoin miner graphs. say which ones are chumpnet-powered.
23:23 assbot - P2Pool Graphs ... ( )
23:24 asciilifeform answer (rot13) - boivbhfyl, gur fvahfbvqf. qnl/avtug plpyr, znpuvarf trg fjvgpurq ba, bss. gur cynarg gheaf.
23:25 BingoBoingo !up xe4l
23:27 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i got a piece of junk mail once, advertising specially-made capsules (for folks who have no idea how to use a saw or glue?) for buring rifles. << Obvious hypothesis, they found a Wasp cache and kept the rifles
23:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: neh, cheap plasticky crap
23:27 asciilifeform chumpatron
23:27 asciilifeform with bait component
23:27 BingoBoingo Ah
23:27 decimation like those magnets you stick to your gas tank to improve fuel economy
23:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo:
23:28 assbot Logged on 07-01-2015 04:40:04; *: asciilifeform rather thinks that this is a military matter, where adversary can afford to ransack and search 100 houses but not 100,000, and hence his gathering bits of info - matters
23:28 BingoBoingo Cheap is prolly fine as long as you use enough cosmoline and can find solvent, but yes. Selling specifically for rifles problematic.
23:29 xe4l mircea_popescu: oh the point would be that a sniffer would either see say 1mbit full duplex say ipsec traffic
23:30 asciilifeform xe4l: then enemy relocates to the other end of the connection and proceeds to do - whatever he was originally to do at your end
23:30 xe4l mircea_popescu: if the endpoint isn't doing anything, the software saturates the encrypted tunnel up to the same traffic volume/patter/protocol
23:30 xe4l think TOR but you always do 10mbit FD
23:31 xe4l no one can tell if your node is even doing anything or if it's just all white noise
23:31 asciilifeform 'no one' ? lol
23:32 xe4l lol valid point, few organizations other than the NSA have any idea if data is moving or not
23:33 BingoBoingo xe4l: You idea seems to introduce of getting v& for DDoS as plausible reason even if attacker can not tell your actual schtick
23:35 xe4l the idea is to reduce the number of data points that can be gathered from sniffing
23:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00066802 = 13.5274 BTC [-]
23:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you realise searching 100k houses just "creates jobs" right ?
23:50 mircea_popescu if it were a military matter they wouldn't cut the walls offhouses.
23:51 mircea_popescu <xe4l> think TOR but you always do 10mbit FD << o that's what this is, you fixing what you read about tor vulnerabilities recently ?
23:53 mircea_popescu ;;calc 30 * 24 * 3600 * 10 / 8
23:53 gribble 3240000
23:54 xe4l mircea_popescu: haha, naw, TOR has a host of issues; this is merely a security layer if contemplated deploying
23:54 mircea_popescu amazon will let you have that for ~300 a month
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