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00:01 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-requests-users-stop-making-deposits/
00:01 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/20000-in-britain-investigated-for-online-comments/
00:01 mircea_popescu seems to me like someone likely ran off with a wallet.
00:01 mircea_popescu curious if this ends up going the way of btcxchange
00:02 cazalla well, the wallet that was last audited has been empty since early dec
00:04 decimation the bid/ask spread on eur/usd spot runs about 3 to 4 mili-cents (w/comission)
00:05 decimation for mar 2015 Euro Futures, price 1.1949 with a 32k volume
00:08 decimation to buy a call that expires 15 jan on the mar 2015 future, for a strike price of 1.19 costs $0.0096
00:09 mircea_popescu don't do options on futures, do spot options.
00:12 Fun mircea_popescu: whats the difference?
00:12 mircea_popescu that one is an option on the future and the other on the spot o.O
00:12 mircea_popescu what's the difference between apple pie and pineapple pie ?
00:14 decimation yeah I'm trying to find the options on spot (seems it would be easier) but I am having trouble
00:15 decimation lol
00:15 mircea_popescu irrespective of widespread belief to the contrary, im pretty sure no entity currently can value options on forex futures
00:16 decimation they certainly exist
00:16 mircea_popescu the catholic church also "exists"
00:16 decimation are you implying that markov chains are doing what they do?
00:16 mircea_popescu in the sense that one can hang himself from it.
00:17 decimation actually options on spot probably don't exist, come to think on it
00:17 mircea_popescu look at the math involved sometime in an idle hour, but from a fundamental perspective, none of that "this is hw it's done because it's how it's done" circularity.
00:18 decimation like, why would you pay to deliever something that's only valued today?
00:18 mircea_popescu uh ?!
00:19 decimation I guess my point is that a promise to deliver a euro tomorrow isn't a spot price
00:19 * BingoBoingo kind of really wants kakobrekla to write an "I told you so" piece on Bitstamp
00:19 mircea_popescu this is true
00:20 thestringpuller http://bitcoinobituaries.com/
00:20 thestringpuller Bitcoin has died 23 times
00:20 mircea_popescu but an option to deliver tomorrow an euro deliverable next week is a whole other layer of nutso.
00:20 decimation yeah fair point
00:21 decimation so weirdly my brokerage doesn't appear to have spot (freestyle?) forex options, only options on futures
00:21 decimation it does appear that forex is a very specialized thing that varies widely with brokerage
00:21 mircea_popescu yes but use an option for mar on the mar future.
00:21 decimation !up Fun
00:22 Fun they package stuff to confuse people imo
00:22 mircea_popescu rather than a jan option on the mar future.
00:22 Fun derivative on top of derivative
00:22 mircea_popescu Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing.
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00:22 mircea_popescu this is no different.
00:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00064849 = 11.1865 BTC [+] {4}
00:23 Fun I was watching RBK today, chairmain of Russian Commerce Chamber was going on that some russian companies need to refinance tons of mid term debt soon in what I presume usd :) I was thinking here that sounds fishy how come they havent hedged FX risk from the start
00:23 Fun :)
00:23 mircea_popescu Fun because a) it costs money and b) they don't care, because it's not really their problem.
00:24 Fun more of b they hope gov will tell some bank to bail them out
00:24 decimation k. a Mar 15 call for a march euro strike 1.19 costs 0.0221 and a put costs 0.0172
00:24 Fun 0.02 is cheap
00:24 mircea_popescu uptrend huh.
00:25 Fun those are 125,000 lots so say 1% move is 1,250 gain?
00:25 mircea_popescu no dude.
00:25 mircea_popescu if it goes to 1.2121 you break even
00:25 Fun but it may well outperform strike price
00:26 mircea_popescu if it outperforms it by 2 cents and 21 hundredths you make money.
00:26 Fun atm 1.1939
00:26 Fun I see
00:27 Fun there is some vol on 11800.0
00:28 Fun march 2015
00:30 Fun so say 0.10 gain minus 0.0281 thats 0.7 approx * 125.000 right?
00:30 Fun 0.0281 option cost
00:31 mircea_popescu i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality.
00:32 decimation the bid/ask spread on that mar 15 call runs about ~0.007
00:32 Fun mircea_popescu: what do u mean? feel free to correct calculations
00:33 mircea_popescu i have, above.
00:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7009 @ 0.00064576 = 4.5261 BTC [-]
00:35 Fun there is option cost per lot
00:35 Fun and strike price
00:35 Fun ok u think price wont change that much?
00:38 Fun decimation: 0.007 is fine imo
00:43 thestringpuller "You know you've done things right when people don't think you've done anything at all"
00:44 mircea_popescu http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/first-bitcoin-otc-rating/ meanwhile gone ?
00:44 mircea_popescu i fucking hate webrot.
00:44 mircea_popescu ;;seen khers oh what's the use
00:44 thestringpuller more precisely "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
00:44 Fun :)
00:44 ben_vulpes wah jesus that's a scrollback
00:45 Fun ;;gpg eregister Fun 1E42DA89AA22D605
00:45 thestringpuller wow there isn't even a google cache
00:45 thestringpuller Fun: gribble is on vacation
00:45 thestringpuller blame nanotube :D
00:45 Fun lol
00:45 Fun so how do people register to talk here? ":
00:46 Fun :)
00:46 thestringpuller as of now you don't
00:46 Fun cool
00:46 Fun makes sense
00:46 * thestringpuller screams nanotube like Kirk sceams Khan.
00:47 Fun decimation: which broker do u use?
00:47 decimation td ameritrade
00:47 Fun thats a big one
00:47 Fun strange they dont offer whole range to you
00:47 Fun decimation: also options prices seems so cheap
00:47 Fun maybe I am missing something?
00:47 decimation they are known for their platform
00:48 Fun yes
00:48 Fun canuck bank :D
00:52 ben_vulpes !up fun
00:52 ben_vulpes man how long can we keep this juggling act up?
00:53 Apocalyptic it's gonna be a while
00:56 Fun or change assbot rules?
00:56 Fun :D
00:57 thestringpuller Apocalyptic: you think gribble won't be back for a few days? Weeks?
00:57 thestringpuller This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL.
00:58 Apocalyptic same here
00:58 ben_vulpes pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing.
00:58 ben_vulpes i hope everyone's been taking backups of the db.
00:59 decimation it's odd that gribble died the same time that bitstamp was hacked
01:01 Fun not odd related
01:01 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: the back up is on OTC website
01:01 thestringpuller it's pretty redundant
01:01 ben_vulpes fun and how would you know?
01:01 Fun logic
01:01 ben_vulpes thestringpuller: and how would you know if the db'd changed?
01:01 thestringpuller That I cannot verify!
01:01 thestringpuller OH NOES we have a dilemma
01:02 ben_vulpes Fun: try again, that kind of statement doesn't hold any water with me.
01:02 Fun decimation: so yes about forex dont u think those options are kinda cheap
01:02 decimation I donno man, I don't really daytrade fx options
01:02 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> [] i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality. << an amusing thing to cross at this moment
01:02 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: in all srsns single point of access == single point of failure
01:03 Fun decimation: nor do I however in light of recent geo political events it seems neat thing to do
01:03 danielpbarron kakobrekla> any bitcoin poker site already struggles for existence or is half dead or completely dead << because they don't use the WoT
01:03 Fun :D
01:03 mircea_popescu <thestringpuller> This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL. < same here.
01:03 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing. << same here #2
01:03 Fun as to reality if drunk person mistakes tree for say a monster he will hack it
01:03 thestringpuller but what is the alternative? nanotube would have to trust someone else to maintain gateway into WoT?
01:04 Fun so no matter how reality is perceived human action does alter it :D
01:05 ben_vulpes meanie
01:05 thestringpuller that was quick.
01:05 thestringpuller damn, I guess we just pray nanotube isn't locked up in some mexican prison somewhere
01:06 ben_vulpes where does extraordinary rendition happen these days?
01:06 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes weren't you complaining bout the endless log an hour ago ?
01:07 ben_vulpes watching the thing scroll by as my bouncer replays it makes things look longer than they are
01:07 ben_vulpes !up kermit
01:08 thestringpuller instead of just reading log.bitcoin-assets.com ?
01:11 ben_vulpes what, you think this is the only channel in which i do biz?
01:11 ben_vulpes http://www.theautomaticearth.com/oil-power-and-psychopaths/ and to all a good night!
01:11 assbot Oil, Power and Psychopaths - The Automatic Earth ... ( http://bit.ly/14c7S7M )
01:12 thestringpuller ben_vulpes is cheating on us with other channels!
01:12 thestringpuller i feel slightly saddened :(
01:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16345 @ 0.00064869 = 10.6028 BTC [+] {3}
01:24 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0K2xW4O89U derp has moved on from blockchain technology, has a new one for 2015
01:24 assbot Multisignature Technology - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14c9UF0 )
01:36 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-trilema-jobs-board/
01:37 mircea_popescu lol now that china is looking poised to reconstruct the entire world around shanghai, the english agitprop is talking of putin pawning russian national interest to beijing.
01:37 mircea_popescu quite a step up from "doesn't understand how the world works"
01:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7590 @ 0.00063081 = 4.7878 BTC [-]
01:45 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
01:45 Vexual Hey.. What is this 2015 has started already? Feels like Monday
01:51 Vexual im guessing that bitstamp hot wallet ain't small
01:52 BingoBoingo Who knows? It's the way of two cans and string, one of which is missing
01:53 mircea_popescu scoopbot request http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/blogroll.py is 500'd.
01:53 assbot 500 Internal Server Error ... ( http://bit.ly/14cdGOp )
01:53 mircea_popescu no later tell no nothing fucking bs.
02:00 Vexual so were busting nanotube from mexico?
02:01 Vexual BingoBoingo: got a few days free?
02:01 BingoBoingo Vexual: Not really
02:03 Vexual put it in sluts.txt and do it later then
02:06 BingoBoingo Vexual: The proper file extension for that type is .twat
02:07 Vexual now theres a tld worth bidding on
02:12 Vexual ben_vulpes: i just want more coins plz <this guy gets it
02:14 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/peterl-scoopbot/
02:18 adlai !up Vexual
02:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00065284 = 15.5376 BTC [+] {2}
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02:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15214 @ 0.00065366 = 9.9448 BTC [+] {2}
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03:05 mircea_popescu scoopbot -fetch
03:08 mircea_popescu what's wrong with this one.
03:13 thestringpuller everything is breaking
03:14 thestringpuller bitpocalypse 2015
03:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00064929 = 5.6813 BTC [-]
03:26 fluffypony it's because of the Gawgoxstamp
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03:41 mircea_popescu thje only McAuliffe google knows is some politico.
03:42 mircea_popescu it'll be a great world to live in, this.
03:44 cazalla hey fluffypony, is amarula nice?
03:45 fluffypony cazalla: it's a little too sweet for my tastes, I'm a whisky and red wine man
03:45 fluffypony but it's fantastic in shooters
03:45 fluffypony kahlua + amarula + cream
03:48 cazalla on second thought, might take another evening walk instead of getting stuck into the booze, by the time i get back, shop will be shut
03:49 mircea_popescu that's all for me. laters!
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04:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00063356 = 13.6215 BTC [-] {2}
04:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00062732 = 8.0924 BTC [-] {2}
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05:08 cazalla http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-exchange-suspends-service/
05:08 assbot Bitstamp Exchange Suspends Service | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPy12K )
05:10 cazalla so much drama and it's only the first week of 2015
05:18 cazalla !up RagnarDanneskjol
05:18 cazalla qntra down, that's a first for some time
05:21 cazalla !up davout
05:21 davout ty
05:21 davout !s deeds spec
05:21 assbot 1 results for 'deeds spec' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deeds+spec
05:22 davout not many halps
05:22 RagnarDanneskjol punkman has a newer much more detailed spec
05:23 RagnarDanneskjol i was keeping it at deedbot.com but now thats outdated too
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05:23 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2015#964161
05:23 assbot Logged on 03-01-2015 21:52:59; mircea_popescu: davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ? << oh for cryssakes it was in the log like 20 times.
05:24 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/open-binary-maintenance-for-eulora/
05:24 davout kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#964963 <<< what about this guy -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#964963
05:24 assbot Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
05:24 assbot Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
05:24 davout whoops
05:24 davout this one : http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/
05:24 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.88 B (8%) on Yes, 10.19 B (92%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPz2HU )
05:24 davout :D
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05:49 davout !up RagnarDanneskjol
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06:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2036 @ 0.000853 = 1.7367 BTC [-] {2}
07:00 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-exchange-suspends-service/
07:13 xanthyos i think bc.i is broken: http://gyazo.com/f57c2a1a0e4c83bbd008aa8770a3d43c
07:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJY81Y )
07:13 xanthyos or we're in the future we wanted
07:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1819 @ 0.000852 = 1.5498 BTC [-]
07:16 xanthyos division by zero error somewhere
07:18 xanthyos i've moved most to electrum wallet as recommended by BingoBoingo
07:29 cazalla xanthyos, ya know electrum wallet is racist, right? https://twitter.com/ElectrumWallet/status/541420975716597760 (lol at that shit still being there)
07:29 assbot I'm happy they killed that nigger Eric Garner. /hashtag/Holocaust2?src=hash /hashtag/KillEmAll?src=hash
07:31 xanthyos wow, bad twitter account management!
07:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00064122 = 10.3878 BTC [+]
07:32 xanthyos hopefully that doesn't suggest their software is sloppily coded
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07:47 xanthyos open source though
07:48 cazalla nfi any of this true but rumoured bitcoin theft address, nice 1 btc fee too https://blockchain.info/tx/07a78d55fc17a2809e031116e71ac63faa6c2ea9e29480b4fa59031683b506b8
07:48 assbot Bitcoin Transaction 07a78d55fc17a2809e031116e71ac63faa6c2ea9e29480b4fa59031683b506b8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAk9ht )
07:49 xanthyos heh
07:49 cazalla zzz anyway
07:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00062927 = 9.6908 BTC [-] {2}
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08:10 punkman http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/12/18/7418397/notch-just-bought-the-craziest-megamansion-ever
08:10 assbot The creator of Minecraft outbid Beyoncé and Jay Z on this $70 million megamansion | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAoIIs )
08:12 punkman !up davout
08:12 davout ty
08:12 davout cazalla: a lot of the other transactions to this address sport a hefty fee too
08:13 davout which could be consistent with 'take the money and run'
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09:11 thestringpuller ;;ls
09:18 thestringpuller bah cazalla went beddy bye before I could get to work lol
09:24 TomServo !up soypirate
09:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.10815384 = 1.406 BTC [-] {4}
09:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00064991 = 8.6438 BTC [+] {2}
09:42 TomServo !up joesmoe
09:43 TomServo Hello joesmoe
09:43 TomServo What kind of things happen at the denver bitcoin center?
09:48 kakobrekla http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2re2pw/18864_coins_stolen_from_stamp_that_doesnt_look/
09:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00065582 = 11.7392 BTC [+] {2}
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10:10 davout http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2re2pw/18864_coins_stolen_from_stamp_that_doesnt_look/ <<< the fees suggest the guy was in a hurry too
10:10 kakobrekla im now getting "my output address is bitstamp hot wallet" emails from bitbet users.
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10:11 * TomServo shakes his head.
10:11 kakobrekla now "bitbet sucks because bitstamp stole coins"
10:11 davout lol
10:14 mod6 pff
10:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15128 @ 0.00062819 = 9.5033 BTC [-] {3}
10:29 artifexd http://imgur.com/gallery/KyGoaQQ << This would make an awesome shirt. Maybe an S.NSA advertisement.
10:32 artifexd Anybody else having problems getting anything useful from trilema.com?
10:32 kakobrekla haxed
10:33 kakobrekla hot wallet 'gone'.
10:33 mike_c oh no, somebody haxed all the trilema credits?
10:33 kakobrekla qntra also down
10:33 mike_c 502, that doesn't seem like ddos.
10:34 punkman fivezerotwo is back?
10:34 mike_c feels more like a normal ops problem.
10:35 kakobrekla its been down for 45m
10:44 davout it's the end of the world apparently
10:46 punkman re: attitude towards law https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq#faq2
10:46 punkman also this http://lwn.net/Articles/154602/
10:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2016 @ 0.00062685 = 1.2637 BTC [-]
10:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00062685 = 11.2833 BTC [-]
10:56 punkman http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ NO dude isn't doing too bad
10:57 kakobrekla seems the bets have stopped?
11:02 mircea_popescu still no google eh ?
11:02 mircea_popescu !s nanotube
11:02 assbot 586 results for 'nanotube' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nanotube
11:02 kakobrekla no trilema or qntra either
11:02 mircea_popescu i know.
11:02 mircea_popescu bein' worked on.
11:03 kakobrekla did ya lose you hot wallet too?
11:03 mircea_popescu um ?
11:03 kakobrekla nvm just derpin.
11:03 mircea_popescu it doesn't have one lol.
11:04 kakobrekla in the spirit of buttstamp and all.
11:04 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#965207 << would MIPS be easier than x86? or does the problem lie in connecting the thing to outside world (fast RAM, peripherals, etc)?
11:04 assbot Logged on 05-01-2015 00:46:15; ascii_modem: folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries
11:05 kakobrekla !s dram controller
11:05 assbot 3 results for 'dram controller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dram+controller
11:05 kakobrekla i think the answer is there somewhere
11:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00063952 = 14.0375 BTC [+]
11:06 kakobrekla but at this point youd be better off reading all ze logs.
11:06 mircea_popescu anyway, re qntra etc : Banned the following ip addresses on Mon Jan 5 09:42:16 EST 2015 23.235.236.98 with 9755 connections
11:06 mircea_popescu in all likelyhood, moar wp crud.
11:07 kakobrekla who banned?
11:07 mircea_popescu that's not specified.
11:08 kakobrekla brb meat.
11:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00084091 = 1.6818 BTC [-] {8}
11:18 punkman http://libv.livejournal.com/22502.html "How to sneak in a 1 to 1 version dependency between xserver, mesa and the linux kernel"
11:31 davout in other news bitcointalk is now requesting that moderators fill some usg paperwork for the purpose of paying taxes
11:31 kakobrekla lolwhut
11:31 mike_c hehehe. 1099's for all of them!
11:32 davout mike_c: yes
11:32 davout http://pastebin.com/Fa5ARauq
11:34 kakobrekla lol
11:39 punkman "or if you want me to send it via postal mail." < send it to random Somalian address
11:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00064007 = 4.9925 BTC [+] {2}
11:51 mike_c diana_coman: I heard a rumor awhile ago that you got eulora compiling/running on windows. is that true?
11:52 mike_c !up diana_coman
11:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2089 @ 0.0008313 = 1.7366 BTC [-] {7}
11:58 mike_c thx
12:02 diana_coman hi mike_c yes
12:02 diana_coman I did get it compiled and running on Windows 8, 64bit
12:02 mike_c would you be willing to share how you did that?
12:03 diana_coman I've written the steps on the wiki
12:03 mike_c oh
12:03 diana_coman actually there is a small update to make there, to give the precise version for one of the libs
12:03 diana_coman but I found out I could not edit the wiki for some reason
12:04 diana_coman http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora#Windows
12:04 assbot Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKYP81 )
12:04 mike_c oh? I actually host that wiki. what happened when you tried to edit?
12:05 diana_coman got an error when trying to save the changes
12:05 diana_coman to be fair, I can't even remember if I had an account, but I somehow thought I didn't need one last time
12:06 diana_coman oh, re install, the full account of all the pain is still on the blog, too, here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/10/30/the-cost-of-shitogramming/
12:06 assbot The cost of shitogramming in Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKZ8Qq )
12:06 mike_c hm, i was just able to make an edit without logging in
12:07 mike_c could try to change it and see if it works? and thanks for posting all the steps.
12:07 diana_coman let me try again, maybe there was some strange stuff going on at that time
12:09 diana_coman uhm, it works now, weird
12:10 diana_coman well, I've updated the version for the libs and gave the link too, so that should be clearer now
12:11 Naphex o/
12:12 mike_c great. I'll give your steps a try. I am one of the people who tried and failed a couple times.
12:14 diana_coman mike_c no problem, ping me if it still doesn't work
12:14 diana_coman re the wiki, it seems to have trouble when I add the link with http so possibly that was the issue?
12:14 mike_c hm. I'll look into it.
12:15 diana_coman I just get a blank screen when I try to save (with http)
12:15 thestringpuller sup diana_coman
12:15 diana_coman the rest works fine, so no big deal there
12:16 diana_coman thanks thestringpuller
12:19 mike_c sounds like some security plugin gone awry. I'll fix it.
12:23 thestringpuller !up pete_dushenski
12:23 thestringpuller is it working ~_~
12:23 pete_dushenski ty
12:23 thestringpuller oh it did
12:23 pete_dushenski howdy!
12:23 thestringpuller we're operating in apocalypse mode
12:24 thestringpuller gribble-pocalypse 2015!
12:24 pete_dushenski suprised gizmodo hasn't picked this up
12:24 pete_dushenski those gawker guys love their apocali
12:25 thestringpuller yea no one knows where nanotube is
12:25 pete_dushenski so i broke obama's head off: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/04/let-obama-eat-cake/
12:25 assbot Let Obama eat cake. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL2yT8 )
12:26 thestringpuller holy fuck bitstamp is suspended
12:26 pete_dushenski lol ya
12:26 pete_dushenski they're pooched
12:28 thestringpuller haha. holy fuck.
12:28 thestringpuller i love a good bitpocalypse
12:28 thestringpuller watch the n00bs burn and burn
12:29 pete_dushenski lol ya
12:30 pete_dushenski almost as satisfying as watching wall street face plant
12:31 pete_dushenski crude sub-$50
12:31 mike_c fuck. i knew i should have bitbet that.
12:31 mike_c "knew". i'm a wimp.
12:32 pete_dushenski skin in the game: separating talkers from walkers since always
12:32 thestringpuller some people just don't like to gamble
12:32 mike_c yes yes. i just got my butt kicked on "bitcoin won't suck by end of 2014" bets, so perhaps i am gunshy.
12:33 mike_c plus, it hasn't happened yet. mar '15 is at $50.65
12:33 thestringpuller at least we all one the NSA delivery bet
12:33 thestringpuller won*
12:33 thestringpuller wow I can't spell/grammar
12:33 kakobrekla quick scalp for best profit.
12:33 pete_dushenski mike_c eh i got my but kicked on diff bets so i'm with you there
12:34 pete_dushenski thestringpuller in the cash money nao!
12:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14042 @ 0.00063743 = 8.9508 BTC [-]
12:38 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/ << pls to rfc
12:38 assbot [OPEN] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL4GdC )
12:38 thestringpuller a new saying: "When there is blood on the streets, buy Bitcoin."
12:39 thestringpuller collary: "When there is blood on the streets, somebody goin to jail." (The niggarized version)
12:40 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/05/bitcoin-jobs-get-your-bitcoin-jobs/
12:40 assbot Bitcoin jobs! Get your Bitcoin jobs! | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL4ZVY )
12:40 mircea_popescu how's ozland pete_dushenski ?
12:42 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu it was a little rainier and cooler than expected, a little pricier too, but overall perfectly pleasant
12:42 pete_dushenski i'm back in the cold now, -30C or something
12:42 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "Helo" -> "Hello" ?
12:42 mircea_popescu mebbe "heyo" ? make an argentine joke right in the spec!
12:43 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu i see that your vacay produced a rather prolific number of articles.. did you stay in town?
12:43 thestringpuller the redditards only listen to voice of reason when there is an apocalypse http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rdwrz/why_top_bitcoin_exchanges_are_so_amateurish_its/
12:43 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski nah actually.
12:44 mircea_popescu this is why it produced.
12:44 mircea_popescu thestringpuller "it's their userbase" ?
12:44 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu lovely :)
12:44 ben_vulpes hueo
12:45 mircea_popescu in keeping with the naming conventions introduced, everyone can call the helo packet whatever they wish :D
12:45 thestringpuller "The sad part is that Bitstamp promised they will have quarterly audits of reserves. First and last was in May 2014."
12:45 pete_dushenski they promised guise!
12:45 davout i want an OHAI packet
12:45 davout opening a connection
12:45 mircea_popescu you got it
12:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2672 @ 0.00080643 = 2.1548 BTC [-] {11}
12:46 davout said connection being terminated by a KTHXBYE packet
12:46 mircea_popescu no terminations rly.
12:47 ben_vulpes ("BAI")
12:47 davout LOLWUT packets to be used for the filling of sequence gaps
12:47 mircea_popescu many moons ago some kids did write some thing that used the PIZDA/PULA convention.
12:47 mircea_popescu ie, started with cunt, ended with cock.
12:49 mircea_popescu was the best thing ever for a summer.
12:51 davout what do you mean by "a signed certificate for the IP fingerprint if necessary" ?
12:53 mircea_popescu well how do you know X is allowed to speak for me ?
12:54 mircea_popescu unless the server is actually using my own keypair. which it conceivably could.
12:54 davout GPG-signatures?
12:54 davout ok
12:54 davout server keypair
12:54 mircea_popescu basically, program has one, you have one. you can if you wish use the same. don;'t have to.
12:54 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/
12:55 davout so if i understand correctly the daemon has its own keypair, the "for" keypair would be the user's
12:55 mircea_popescu yep
12:57 kakobrekla i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner.
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12:57 kakobrekla its not like we gonna run out of internets anytime soon.
12:57 mircea_popescu kakobrekla trilema rss is 15 minutes delayed anyway
12:57 davout makes sense, the hash, salt and nonce fiddling is to prevent against replay right?
12:58 kakobrekla set it 5min for trilema, 1 min for qntra etc
12:58 kakobrekla forget the fetch nonsense.
12:58 mircea_popescu davout no, it's to make mitm and masquerading much harder.
12:58 davout apart from replaying i can't think of an example where GPG isn't enough a protection already
12:59 davout s/enough/enough of/
12:59 mircea_popescu a replay "attack" coming from a trusted host carries a very large cost. they'll get banned.
12:59 mircea_popescu tbh the l2 list etc has been a revelation in computer security for me.
12:59 mircea_popescu it's been much better stated by smarter men, of course. http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/
12:59 assbot The Six Dumbest Ideas in Computer Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DaYro4 )
12:59 davout i was thinking rely on GPG and simply encode a nonce in the message
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13:00 mircea_popescu davout suppose i send spoofed ip messages.
13:00 mircea_popescu i can encode to your public key.
13:00 mircea_popescu what now ?
13:00 mircea_popescu in the design as is, now you reject my junk because i don't know the salts.
13:00 davout i discard your messages since it doesn't bear a valid GPG signature
13:00 mircea_popescu messages don't need to be signed.
13:01 mircea_popescu and this deliberately.
13:01 davout if they were wouldn't that remove the salts requirements?
13:01 mircea_popescu it would but it's moot, because i'm not about to require people to sign everything they say.
13:01 davout because if you know the server's key, you're probably aware of the salts etc
13:01 davout ic
13:01 mircea_popescu how does that work ? you know my ip and his gpg pubkey.
13:02 mircea_popescu how does this make it probable you have root on my box ?
13:02 davout i meant if you raped the server for its key, you may as well have the salt and stuff
13:02 mircea_popescu pubkey ?
13:02 davout both
13:02 mircea_popescu o you meant in your signed alt-spec. mkay.
13:06 davout i didn't think of the requirement to sign as an issue actually
13:08 mircea_popescu actually, it occurs to me this needs some padding.
13:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00063743 = 7.7129 BTC [-]
13:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3806 @ 0.00079501 = 3.0258 BTC [-] {6}
13:25 ben_vulpes oh and now a netsplit?
13:26 kakobrekla it seems ircd centralization has been a problem since forever and noone has bothered to solve it
13:27 mircea_popescu pretty much.
13:27 mircea_popescu it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ?
13:32 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ? << They are the person at the nightclub who makes sure you drink the two drink medium, but get you off the premises if you actually get drunk.
13:32 mircea_popescu i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense
13:35 mircea_popescu in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqfvnZxR3yA
13:35 assbot Ricardo Malerba Gitana Rusa con letras - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYbLbi )
13:36 BingoBoingo http://www.wlwt.com/national/deputy-supervises-okeechobee-father-spanking-daughter/30479526?utm_campaign=WLWT&utm_content=dbsZW1&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=trueAnthem:+New+Content#!dbsZW1
13:36 assbot Deputy supervises Okeechobee father spanking daughter | National News - WLWT Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYc4To )
13:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12358 @ 0.00063937 = 7.9013 BTC [+] {2}
13:36 Bet placed: 1.4 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Mar 2015 to drop under $50 before Feb 2015 " http://bitbet.us/bet/1082/ Odds: 57(Y):43(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.01048706 BTC. Current weight: 36,569.
13:37 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense << AH, the asshole enforcing moderate talking instrad of moderate drinking. Easy to mix those assholes up.
13:39 punkman " Undersheriff Noel Stephen said he has personally supervised approximately 12 spankings." < lol!
13:41 mircea_popescu http://earthweareone.com/mit-researchers-new-warning-at-todays-rate-half-of-all-u-s-children-will-be-autistic-by-2025/
13:41 assbot MIT Researcher’s New Warning: At Today’s Rate, Half Of All U.S. Children Will Be Autistic By 2025 | Earth. We are one. ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYcYzo )
13:41 mircea_popescu i'd be very surprised if it needs to wait for 2025. i doubt one in three english speakers i meet are not autistic as it is.
13:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0006402 = 2.9449 BTC [+]
13:53 mike_c # of video games by platform for last 40 years: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6l6bcsIgAEQSo5.png:large
13:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1rYf1n4 )
14:00 thestringpuller mike_c: bigger image?
14:00 thestringpuller too much png not enough svg
14:00 mike_c srsly. it zooms pretty well.
14:02 thestringpuller it zooms mildly well
14:02 thestringpuller I can't read the labels
14:02 thestringpuller BUT
14:02 thestringpuller i can see that the 2600 is up there with the iphone
14:02 thestringpuller that correlation amuses me deeply
14:11 TomServo !up adlai
14:12 mircea_popescu i dunno if i give any importance to counts.
14:12 mircea_popescu there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense
14:13 mircea_popescu in no case can one compare the amiga variety with the ipad variety, and bearing in mind amiga worked on 8 bit.
14:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1260 @ 0.00082999 = 1.0458 BTC [-] {2}
14:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2506 @ 0.00083398 = 2.09 BTC [+] {2}
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14:47 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: it's interesting how this also happened with 8 bit atari consoles in the late 70's / early 80's
14:47 mircea_popescu "this" ?
14:48 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense << in response to that
14:48 mircea_popescu ah
14:48 mircea_popescu imo worse on the 2nd pass.
14:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.0006328 = 10.3779 BTC [-] {2}
14:50 thestringpuller much worse. i'm more impressed than mad at it though.
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15:15 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r8bmj/reminder_1000_btc_bet_that_bitcoin_will/cndh9js
15:15 assbot btcthrowaway454 comments on Reminder: 1,000 BTC bet that Bitcoin will outperform Berkshire stock @WarrenBuffet... Time's running out and things aren't looking good. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vUuP5M )
15:15 mircea_popescu check out all the self-contradictory haet.
15:24 mircea_popescu da fuck.
15:25 cazalla ty
15:31 cazalla gaming on iphone/ipad seems to be more about positioning adverts next to controls or other interface options as to guarantee misclicks
15:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00063957 = 5.2765 BTC [+] {3}
15:46 thestringpuller haha
15:46 thestringpuller everyone is trying to extract ad revnue with mobile apps
15:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00063021 = 4.0333 BTC [-] {2}
15:50 cazalla ya, only games that seem a good for it are the endless run and jump to avoid objects games
15:51 cazalla not the new ones though that are full of ads, the old ones like robot unicorn attack (and not robot unicorn attack 2)
15:51 cazalla shit like canabalt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBg75_TiLw
15:51 assbot Canabalt HD Gameplay - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAWSiN )
15:52 jurov http://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/bulc/bulletinc.dat see you at 2015 June 30, 23:59:60
15:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAWYa9 )
15:52 thestringpuller lol that adult swim game
15:53 mircea_popescu lol wut, new time
15:55 cazalla thestringpuller, it's the shit - for anyone that doesn't know of robot unicorn attack - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzA4ZY_ZGo0
15:55 assbot Robot Unicorn Attack Evolution (320k Dragon Form) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAXRQe )
15:56 cazalla nfi what that evolution one is but looks a bit better than original
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16:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2554 @ 0.00082447 = 2.1057 BTC [+] {5}
16:32 BingoBoingo !up ascii_modem
16:33 ascii_modem ty BingoBoingo
16:34 BingoBoingo !up Naphex
16:34 ascii_modem re: mircea's 'ircd' article:
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16:34 ascii_modem !s kapelle
16:34 assbot 2 results for 'kapelle' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kapelle
16:35 ascii_modem he described, approximately, by accident, an experiment of mine - minus the fun bits
16:36 ascii_modem i'm pleasantly surprised to learn that this is, apparently, one of those 'inevitable' inventions
16:38 ascii_modem that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked
16:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.000627 = 13.8254 BTC [-] {2}
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17:21 mike_c i feel like i'm going to take some shit for this.
17:21 mike_c http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/asirra/default.aspx
17:21 assbot ASIRRA - Microsoft Research ... ( http://bit.ly/17e8yvh )
17:21 mike_c Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki.
17:22 mike_c diana_coman: ^
17:22 diana_coman ha ha mike_c
17:22 kakobrekla what, computers got good at recognizing cats ?
17:23 mike_c srsly. it was working really well too.
17:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00063105 = 10.2861 BTC [+] {2}
17:25 diana_coman I never got why are people supposed to prove that they are not computers/bots, really
17:25 mike_c before that captcha the wiki was swarmed with thousands of fake accounts and pages
17:25 mike_c they were creating hundreds of users and pages a day
17:26 diana_coman uhm, so you're saying that effectively for all behaviour, there really ARE more bots (be it blood and flesh and bones ones) than people around on the internets
17:26 diana_coman could be, I guess
17:28 diana_coman I confess I did not really look into it, but I'd rather look for some way to block bots away without the expense for actual humans - dunno, maybe some kind of timestamp check thing or something similar
17:28 mike_c Trilema tries that
17:28 diana_coman and doesn't it succeed?
17:28 mike_c and it is not unusual for it to catch humans
17:30 diana_coman hmmm, I guess then the question remains on how often that happens
17:30 diana_coman I mean: if you ask by default humans to prove, than it happens each and every time, really, no choice there
17:31 mike_c only each and every time you post a link.
17:31 diana_coman really? how is that?
17:31 mike_c idk, the thing has some smarts. but that's why it worked sometimes and not others.
17:31 diana_coman do you mean posting a link on trilema or on the wiki>
17:31 diana_coman ?
17:31 mike_c the wiki
17:31 diana_coman a, ok, I don't know about that
17:32 diana_coman at least it did not ask me to identify cats and dogs...
17:32 mike_c the thing is, the trilema one is extremely frustrating when it misfires.
17:32 mike_c because you don't know even know why
17:32 diana_coman well, so you go and yell at the owner, lol
17:33 diana_coman that must at least let some frustration out
17:33 mike_c yes, but this is hardly a good solution for a wiki. you, for example, did not go yell at the owner
17:33 mike_c you just didn't post
17:33 diana_coman true, because I thought that well, if there is some interest in the thing, they will come asking on eulora /irc and then we sort it out
17:33 diana_coman no need to sort it out earlier
17:33 diana_coman and there you came asking, so it worked
17:34 diana_coman I did raise the problem on eulora channel
17:34 mike_c yes, but it took six weeks. picking some cat photos seems like less of a pain.
17:34 mike_c but, this is religious debate.
17:34 diana_coman on some days I admit I might send the cats and dogs and site to all hell and as a result not post
17:34 mike_c hehe
17:34 diana_coman but then again, that might be just me, I admit it
17:39 diana_coman btw, out of curiosity: why is this eulorom site apart entirely from mingame.bz? I thought eulora was essentially made by minigame so I don't quite follow the different sites/lack of links or is there something I'm missing?
17:41 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/552233452083625984
17:41 assbot To would-be auditors: don't play the charade of checking if exchanges are solvent once every few months; real-time crypto-auditing or GTFO.
17:44 BingoBoingo ^ @Beautyon_ @petertoddbtc Well, @Bitstamp being more than two cans and string could have helped a lot.
17:46 thestringpuller who remembers this: https://gist.github.com/peternixey/1978249
17:46 mike_c diana_coman: the wiki is a "fan site". not run by minigame.
17:49 diana_coman ohhh, cool mike_c
17:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00062599 = 11.8312 BTC [-] {2}
17:50 thestringpuller fan boiz
17:58 mike_c captcha fixed, no cats.
17:58 thestringpuller captcha shoud be sloths
17:59 thestringpuller how could a sloth ever be the face of evil
17:59 mike_c that's the problem. sloths can't defeat spammers. cats can.
18:00 thestringpuller http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/Omg+_fc9effa8742cabca49c35ae4827382e4.jpg
18:00 mike_c wtf is that evil link?
18:01 mike_c psa: don't click that.
18:04 thestringpuller XD
18:04 thestringpuller it's a picture of a sloth
18:04 thestringpuller hosted by funnyjunk
18:18 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/vault-of-satoshi-is-closing-why/
18:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3867 @ 0.00079213 = 3.0632 BTC [-] {25}
18:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2133 @ 0.00078085 = 1.6656 BTC [-] {6}
18:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3002 @ 0.00078 = 2.3416 BTC [-] {5}
18:32 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#966169
18:32 assbot Logged on 05-01-2015 21:34:11; ascii_modem: re: mircea's 'ircd' article:
18:32 asciilifeform damn.
18:32 asciilifeform like 'phantom limb.'
18:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4908 @ 0.00075451 = 3.7031 BTC [-] {18}
18:39 asciilifeform punkman: [fpga thread] would MIPS be easier than x86? or does the problem lie in connecting the thing to outside world (fast RAM, peripherals, etc) << problem is that you can't make so much as a barrel shifter on any extant fpga without using a closed turd from the vendor - actually, two turds: one in the logic library part itself, other - the synthesis toolchain
18:40 asciilifeform punkman: one can attempt to work with just the synthesis toolchain (no escape from it) and use netlists of 'raw' logic - i.e. simple universal constructs like 'nand gate'. the result - go try it - a very simple kindergarten-level circuit fills up the entire chip, with glacial performance (gate delays measured in msec!)
18:41 asciilifeform this is because the entire fpga concept, as imagined by n00bs to the subject, does not actually work.
18:41 asciilifeform folks doing actual work with fpga make very light use of the general-purpose routing matrix
18:41 asciilifeform and of the LUTs
18:42 asciilifeform mostly they hook up vendor 'library' parts together. these usually (though not always) correspond to miniature 'islands' of asic present on the chip
18:42 asciilifeform e.g., an adder, a shifter, uart, 500 other kinds of part.
18:47 asciilifeform punkman: but back to original question, mips is vastly easier to implement in programmable logic of whatever kind than x86. this ought to be obvious to anyone with even an evening's familiarity with both.
18:48 asciilifeform anyone learn the fate of nanotube yet ?
18:56 ben_vulpes not i
18:56 ben_vulpes get a cloak toddf
18:56 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: gitmo, no doubt
18:57 * asciilifeform mutters something about parachutes
18:58 kakobrekla do you have one?
18:58 asciilifeform neh i only have a splat.
18:58 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-12-2014#956971
18:58 assbot Logged on 19-12-2014 03:23:35; asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem' and say now, that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late.
19:00 asciilifeform !up RagnarDanneskjol
19:04 * asciilifeform wrestles with dilemma of whether he should open up his 90 or so percent implementation of mircea_popescu's RFP
19:04 * asciilifeform will then end up stuck with doing actual werk
19:05 * asciilifeform fesses up that he worked on it, on and off, for some months, so as to have a 'killerapp' application for cardano when the latter is unwrapped
19:06 RagnarDanneskjol was just telling ASCII that I understand nano is on vacay for a few days, also altgribble is avail for bcauth but not gpg
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19:06 asciilifeform altgribble ?
19:07 kakobrekla "sir, we are out of potato, but we can offer some fresh shit. its on the house."
19:07 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/201YNCP.txt )
19:07 asciilifeform !b 2
19:07 RagnarDanneskjol Yea in -OTC... Its run by someone else using cached
19:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.0006284 = 9.2689 BTC [+]
19:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20346 @ 0.00062752 = 12.7675 BTC [-] {3}
19:17 mod6 ;;bc,stts
19:17 mod6 404 Gribble Not Found
19:18 mod6 forgot heh
19:21 BingoBoingo Does anyone know if https://blockchain.info/address/1JoktQJhCzuCQkt3GnQ8Xddcq4mUgNyXEa is the Bitstamp cold address?
19:21 assbot Bitcoin Address 1JoktQJhCzuCQkt3GnQ8Xddcq4mUgNyXEa ... ( http://bit.ly/1AxTWl5 )
19:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00062534 = 11.5688 BTC [-] {2}
19:25 xanthyos https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6oC15SIcAAsysI.jpg
19:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wfyw79 )
19:26 kakobrekla !up Chiyo
19:27 BingoBoingo !up svetlana
19:33 kakobrekla !up wc-
19:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00078499 = 1.9625 BTC [+] {2}
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20:04 BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch
20:04 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-wallet-now-officially-hacked/
20:04 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: You are quoted again for who knows how many words this time.
20:08 kakobrekla aha :)
20:09 kakobrekla qntra down ?
20:10 BingoBoingo Looks like it.
20:13 kakobrekla i suspekt ddos is back on chan as well
20:16 ben_vulpes all-channel attack, huh?
20:17 BingoBoingo Well, at least I published the thing so it will be visible eventually.
20:23 kakobrekla ddos on chan confirmed :)
20:25 BingoBoingo Fuck it IRC is too advanced to be safe. We need to do baudot over ULF. 10 MW minimum to get voice.
20:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo will enjoy my comment on trilema then (when that site is back...)
20:27 mircea_popescu eh what, again ?
20:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: your site appears to be down
20:27 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Oh just DDoS is back on everything it seems
20:27 mircea_popescu mkay, looking into.
20:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00062635 = 27.9978 BTC [+] {2}
20:28 mircea_popescu "Your store/business has been published on our bitgazetteer.com website." heh.
20:28 mircea_popescu "i know, whatsapp got 200 bn for essentially spamming, why wouldn't we!"
20:29 kakobrekla ok
20:29 kakobrekla fasten your seatbelts
20:29 kakobrekla [02:23:50] <svetlana> cloaking is NOT the solution to the problem.
20:29 kakobrekla [02:24:05] <kakobrekla> how is it not?
20:29 kakobrekla [02:24:11] <kakobrekla> if everyone is cloaked noone can be ddosed
20:29 kakobrekla [02:25:27] <kakobrekla> freenode is broken by default as it will show your ip plainly
20:29 kakobrekla [02:25:49] <svetlana> it is rather trivial to look through cloaks (chanserv can, and anyone can query chanserv with various cidrs and ask whether people match).
20:29 kakobrekla !up svetlana
20:30 mircea_popescu ...
20:30 mircea_popescu let's start with something simple. who is svetlana.
20:30 svetlana Hi.
20:31 mircea_popescu ello
20:31 svetlana I might suggest not using cloaks as the solution here. Using cidr entries in access list, and /cs why, it's quite trivial to look through them. We don't want to "teach" whoever is ddosing here that -- he'd keep doing his thing.
20:32 asciilifeform what is the suggested solution (other than '+i' which was discussed at one point, bitter pill)
20:32 svetlana Instead, get affected people to check their router logs and get more details about the attack.
20:32 asciilifeform svetlana: i got a massive packet dump, and so has kakobrekla
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20:33 asciilifeform svetlana: standard ntp and ssdp 'amplification' attack
20:33 mircea_popescu and "more details" will do what ?
20:33 svetlana asciilifeform: It is not rather dumbly from a single IP, is it?
20:34 asciilifeform svetlana: not familiar with term 'amplification attack' ?
20:34 svetlana No.
20:34 BingoBoingo svetlana: It is some asshole herding wayward machines
20:34 BingoBoingo routers, servers, the occasional 10 kilo wordpress sites
20:34 asciilifeform svetlana: perhaps you know it under another name. attacker sends spoofed packets to a series of machines, usually misconfigured routers and embedded systems of other kinds
20:35 asciilifeform these reply with N bytes for each spoofed byte sent, hence term 'amplification'
20:35 asciilifeform but they reply to the spoofed address (victim's) rather than attacker's.
20:35 svetlana If the details that you have are not sufficient (which is somewhat often the case), we have to apply discretion and judgment to figure out who it is (before +i, it might make sense to use +r and see if it makes things stop).
20:36 mircea_popescu svetlana so far, we still don't know who you are.
20:36 asciilifeform aha, suggestion is that we occupy ourselves with a permanent game of whack-a-mole.
20:37 svetlana I am from another channel where wc- was complaining about the issue. Couldn't suggest anything but not perceiving cloak as the solution, to him.
20:37 mircea_popescu this is all nice and good, however...
20:37 mircea_popescu the parcimonious approach is to regard you as grossly unqualified to comment on that topic.
20:37 mircea_popescu so far you're not doing much to change that.
20:39 * BingoBoingo suggests a "Russian Woodpecker" in every back yard...
20:39 * asciilifeform feels mind utterly boggled at this offer of 'help' of the 'have you tried plugging it in' variety.
20:39 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/275CDS1.txt )
20:39 BingoBoingo !b 4
20:39 asciilifeform 'hello fellow dog, you must also be a dog for every living thing is a dog; what kind of dog are you'
20:40 decimation I'm a horse
20:40 mircea_popescu a hoarse dog.
20:40 decimation asciilifeform: more evidence that your wot-router idea is needed, at any rate.
20:40 BingoBoingo I'm mange
20:41 asciilifeform decimation: see also mircea_popescu's article.
20:41 mircea_popescu well, in half an hour or whatever
20:42 mircea_popescu anyways, cool to be back to normal.
20:43 decimation mircea_popescu: apparently mr. ddos took your 'unreliable' remarks personally
20:43 mircea_popescu <ascii_modem> that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked << i dunno where i stole it from tbh.
20:43 decimation he wants to provide us with his own special brand of discipline free of charge
20:43 asciilifeform it's a thing that's been crying to have itself done for a good twenty years.
20:43 mircea_popescu <mike_c> Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki. << YOUR PAIN IS YOUR OWN PUNISHMENT
20:43 mircea_popescu heretick!
20:44 mircea_popescu decimation it's still not very reliable, who gets 1-5th of january off.
20:44 mircea_popescu not to mention the poor showling last year.
20:45 mircea_popescu anyway, this is convenient because i didn't really feel like writing reports tonight, and asciilifeform still's not sent me his mail, so
20:45 mircea_popescu tomorro is another day!
20:45 * asciilifeform just got back to his cockpit actually, a few hrs ago
20:48 mircea_popescu mike_c: and it is not unusual for it to catch humans << on the plus side, i get about 10-20 pieces of spam a day, which are pretty much all handcranked. the attepts are well in the 1000s/hr. on the - side, occasionally people complain about having to redo a comment / having lost a comment in the depths.
20:48 mircea_popescu how often has it happened ot you ?
20:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: anyone learn the fate of nanotube yet ? <<< no. i was waiting for some kind of logs to surface, but seems nothing.
20:53 asciilifeform so far just this tidbit, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2015#966268
20:53 assbot Logged on 06-01-2015 00:06:29; RagnarDanneskjol: was just telling ASCII that I understand nano is on vacay for a few days, also altgribble is avail for bcauth but not gpg
20:53 asciilifeform where he got this notion - he did not say.
20:56 * mircea_popescu shrugs.
20:56 mircea_popescu " that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late." << so how late is it /
20:56 asciilifeform !up RagnarDanneskjol
20:57 BingoBoingo Well, if captured I am ready to be absolutely worthless.
20:58 asciilifeform 'не стреляйте, я знаю секреты' << from unofficial, unwritten nato phrasebook.
20:59 mircea_popescu lol
21:06 mircea_popescu anyway, trilema back, which comment or what ?
21:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i sent in a comment re: 'ircd' article a few hrs ago.
21:07 mircea_popescu a ok. http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111175
21:07 assbot [OPEN] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcuMuK )
21:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00063266 = 20.688 BTC [+] {3}
21:07 mircea_popescu "The enemy can diddle IP any way he likes," << sure, but that's why salt is there.
21:07 mircea_popescu i can appreciate the purity of your vision, but i'd rather have this work on current hardware. what else is there ?
21:07 asciilifeform enemy cannot hijack session by spoofing packets, but can get really annoying
21:07 mircea_popescu how ?
21:08 asciilifeform dos
21:08 mircea_popescu gimme like a scenario.
21:08 mircea_popescu nope. port just ignores him.
21:08 asciilifeform expends cpu cycles on doing so
21:08 asciilifeform at any rate, no magical hardware needed!
21:08 mircea_popescu providing he finds your ip (which i doubt), you can just switch it too.
21:08 mircea_popescu for that matter i envisage most people using this on multiple ips
21:08 asciilifeform the hello-in-udp-mtu lives happily on existing linux/commonplace archs
21:09 mircea_popescu i wouldn't be against this being implemented in udp in any case.
21:09 asciilifeform no need to keep track of ips, and to marry the notion of 'origin address'
21:09 mircea_popescu just, needs an extra engineer.
21:09 asciilifeform the other nice thing re: udp is that a connectionless/stateless protocol frustrates traffic analysis very well.
21:09 asciilifeform in my 'error coding' scheme, the station transmits at all times.
21:10 asciilifeform anyone who wants to receive the current pubmessage snapshot can start listening at any point, and will eventually end up with it
21:10 mircea_popescu somebody up svetlana kthx
21:10 asciilifeform after approximately 1.03N bytes for a payload originally length N
21:10 asciilifeform !up svetlana
21:11 asciilifeform why mircea_popescu had to ruin my surprise gift to the fine folks of #b-a. i was gonna roll that thing out with cardano.
21:12 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/23BVBB2.txt )
21:12 BingoBoingo !b 1
21:12 asciilifeform now one of you lot will end up having to write it!
21:12 mircea_popescu well cuz i didnt know, cuz someone didn't tell me
21:12 asciilifeform from scratch.
21:12 mircea_popescu cuz no mail apparently.
21:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu does not like surprise
21:12 asciilifeform lol
21:13 asciilifeform at any rate, i did bring it up in here on a few occasions. but did append the gotcha, 'not ready for battlefield because little time' - which is presently true
21:14 * asciilifeform currently failing to load mircea_popescu's site, but believes that somewhere it works
21:14 mircea_popescu ;;isup beh
21:14 mircea_popescu well, it works on MY SYSTEM
21:14 asciilifeform i still want that fpga that evolves to live in one particular floor tile of your cellar.
21:14 kakobrekla it doesnt work.
21:14 asciilifeform when the moon is just waning.
21:16 kakobrekla svetlana here is butthurt and types in wrong (mine) window http://dpaste.com/131FHBZ.txt
21:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEs8Fx )
21:16 kakobrekla please svetlana if you have anything to say, here instead.
21:17 svetlana I didn't think that discussing non-bitcoin stuff here is very welcome, but if you want me to stop talking with you in /msg I'm fine with that :)
21:17 kakobrekla its very welcome as long as its not nonsense.
21:18 BingoBoingo svetlana: You'd e surprised how infrequent specific BTC talk is here
21:18 svetlana isn't vpn distributed? I'm rather surprised at that reaction
21:18 svetlana I don't expect it to be very easy to attack ...
21:18 thestringpuller cazalla: you around?
21:18 cazalla mebe, no time for pokemon atm though
21:18 BingoBoingo svetlana: Specific VPN's are centralized
21:19 cazalla bit bored of it atm tbh, might take a little break from it and come back to it in a few weeks
21:19 svetlana I'll get someone to write a good guide on the bitcoin wiki (I'm not good at this subject and I found someone who is better)
21:19 mircea_popescu kakobrekla asciilifeform slow, but i see it. anyway, eventually derp will run out of juice in an hour or whatever xmas money affords and that's that.
21:20 kakobrekla you think it lizards ?
21:21 kakobrekla svetlana vpn is not much better than a bnc and tor wont fly here.
21:22 kakobrekla whats next, sending people to ircloud ?
21:22 * BingoBoingo still waits for avians to depose lizards
21:23 mircea_popescu all this emotion talk, surprises, expectations, feelings and whatnot.
21:23 mircea_popescu is it women in tech day or something ?
21:23 svetlana irccloud is pretty central; I'll disappear for a bit, thanks for bearing with me
21:23 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah, it is this years's Derp spores beginning to emerge from the damp log.
21:25 * BingoBoingo hopes these sutures heal without much of a scar.
21:27 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-wallet-now-officially-hacked/
21:27 assbot BitStamp Wallet Now Officially "Hacked" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEtgJ6 )
21:28 thestringpuller elon musk is doing an AMA http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2rgsan/i_am_elon_musk_ceocto_of_a_rocket_company_ama/
21:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10624 @ 0.00063471 = 6.7432 BTC [+]
21:28 mircea_popescu o wow so it was "hacked" eh ?
21:29 mircea_popescu not fractional reserve or anything.
21:29 BingoBoingo Yeah, they claim to be able to over all, but they admit to 18k + "gone"
21:29 mircea_popescu and they can cover 5mn+. through the process of what ?
21:29 BingoBoingo On Coindesk of course. Never on their official site
21:29 mircea_popescu they're not worth 5mn.
21:29 mike_c <@mircea_popescu> how often has it happened ot you ? << I like your system. But diana was proposing it as bulletproof or panacea for all ills.
21:29 mike_c of which it is neither
21:30 mircea_popescu mike_c was more curious trying to keep track of that eternal "nobody complains so no problems" thing
21:30 mircea_popescu afaik it works fine, but then again how do i know.
21:30 mike_c that is a much bigger problem on the wiki. For you, you will get x comments and know there are 10x problems
21:31 mircea_popescu "A total of 18,867.62695929 BTC were moved from BitStamp's hot wallet"
21:31 mircea_popescu maybe i'm confused.
21:31 mike_c I will get 0 comments and have no idea how bad the problem is.
21:31 mircea_popescu but wtf is 18k doing in a hot wallet.
21:31 mircea_popescu mike_c that's a point.
21:31 mike_c s/comments/complaints/
21:31 kakobrekla the wallet is cold only if its empty, doh.
21:32 mircea_popescu "BitStamp surpassed Mt Gox is trading volume in 2013, largely on the strength of its not being Mt Gox."
21:32 mircea_popescu well... fixed that.
21:33 thestringpuller is qntra down for anyone else?
21:33 mircea_popescu kako sounds so angry in interviews. you gotta relax for teh press man!
21:34 mircea_popescu thestringpuller for a selected few.
21:34 thestringpuller ah. dat ddos
21:34 kakobrekla that is taken from forums from years ago?
21:34 mircea_popescu kakobrekla oh i thought it was new. mah bad.
21:34 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Yeah, last June
21:35 kakobrekla forums really pissed me off.
21:35 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: If you want to write a "Bitstamp always sucked piece" Qntra could run it.
21:35 kakobrekla now that im banned im just depressed.
21:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00064132 = 27.705 BTC [+] {4}
21:35 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: You know desoxyn is a hell of an anti-depressant
21:35 mircea_popescu "the smaller sum of 18,000 BTC missing presents a still more onerous obstacle than Mt Gox faced in absolute terms as that many Bitcoin are largely unavailable to most people at any price denominated in national currency."
21:35 mircea_popescu definitely to people without a wot.
21:36 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo stop getting my casino cookie guy hooked on sugars.
21:36 kakobrekla actually not reading chan to be reminded how all sucks helps as well.
21:36 BingoBoingo Even with. With WoT you'd still likely need a more tangible item to trade for that many than $$$$... Prolly Plutonium would do.
21:36 mircea_popescu poor kako. everyone sucks, and then he gets depressed and teh woman offers to suck him...
21:36 BingoBoingo Space ship might barely do.
21:36 thestringpuller Plutonium gives you ball cancer.
21:37 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Apparently you aren't supposed to use the powder for that.
21:45 asciilifeform lol, emotions!
21:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#864590
21:45 assbot Logged on 08-10-2014 17:47:47; *: asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)
21:47 BingoBoingo So this internet of things... What the fuck is not intuitive enough about how a stove works already.
21:49 thestringpuller Dude i know
21:50 thestringpuller the CEO of the company I'm at keeps using that word all the time
21:50 thestringpuller "We are ready for the internet of things"
21:50 thestringpuller "The internet of things this, and that"
21:50 thestringpuller i hate it more than "The cloud"
21:51 asciilifeform not everyone can afford golden toilet, but anyone can have a throne with ipv6.
21:51 asciilifeform or something like that.
21:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: bona fide throne has homo sapien to catch turds with mouth
21:55 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/01/supreme-court-justice-second-guesses-decisive-vote-in-gaming-free-speech-case/ <<lol
21:55 assbot Supreme Court justice second-guesses decisive vote in gaming free speech case | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEwMU4 )
21:59 decimation svetlana: why doesn't someone fix the 'problem' with cloaks by re-writing ircd into something sane?
22:02 decimation http://www.itworld.com/article/2864675/new-lie-detector-relies-on-fullbody-suit-for-better-accuracy.html << lol these guys want to sell gimp suits for hazing usg employees
22:02 assbot New lie detector relies on full-body suit for better accuracy | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1tExxwi )
22:02 asciilifeform decimation: await the next version, resembling 'iron maiden' ?
22:03 cazalla thestringpuller, didja know even pokemon has cloud storage for pokemans with the pokemon bank
22:03 decimation asciilifeform: yeah, it has 99% accuracy!!!
22:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00065173 = 36.8879 BTC [+] {3}
22:07 thestringpuller cazalla: ya. since black and white I thought
22:08 cazalla not the app one you download but the paid monthly service, i thought it was more recent but perhaps i am wrong, i bow to your knowledge as a pokemon master
22:08 thestringpuller lol i'm not pokemone master
22:08 thestringpuller not since 99'
22:08 thestringpuller '99 ***
22:10 mircea_popescu decimation there's a fundamental difference between those who use tools and those who make tools.
22:11 decimation what about those who make 'tools'?
22:11 mircea_popescu take a week to work in say a supermarket or something. the helplessness of common postmodern man (well, mostly woman) is impressive.
22:15 mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/mhmhnATj << tales from the ddos.
22:15 assbot 10 220.255.1.101 2 220.255.1.102 1 220.255.1.103 5 220 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEz7hO )
22:18 decimation interesting, from singapore
22:20 mircea_popescu teh qty of work poured into it is kinda lulzy.
22:23 decimation can you see if it is actually http traffic or is it more pnp reflection?
22:23 mircea_popescu <assbot> New lie detector relies on full-body suit for better accuracy | ITworld << makes me think... most dudes think they know fucking...
22:23 mircea_popescu maybe it should be dildo.
22:23 mircea_popescu decimation no it's http.
22:24 mircea_popescu 220.255.1.101 - - [05/Jan/2015:09:16:48 -0500] "GET etc
22:26 BingoBoingo At this rate actual IPv4 addresses will never be exhausted. too many are simply occupied atm by lusers and spammzors
22:27 mircea_popescu or derps.
22:27 mircea_popescu ipv4 "not being enough" is a sad symptom of letting too many people in.
22:27 mircea_popescu sort-of like "there are not enough places in college for all the kids"
22:27 mircea_popescu backwards.
22:29 BingoBoingo Except now there are too many places in college for the kids, because people dun wanna go no moar.
22:29 mircea_popescu also that.
22:31 mircea_popescu so practical macroeconomics exercise. venezuela, which is in the shitter, quotes the dollar officially at 12 bolivars. meanwhile, black rate is ~170.
22:31 mircea_popescu the govt is considering yielding, and bringing the official bolivar to 50ish.
22:31 mircea_popescu should it do that, what's the likely evolution of the black market rate ?
22:32 mircea_popescu http://cachecdn.cdnhost2000xl.com/tthumbs/2/27145.jpg and a vignette to help the thinking process along.
22:32 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzeE34 )
22:33 BingoBoingo Well, I imagine dilemma isn't too different from my present ability to buy a gallon of gas for $2 because America is dumping its entire oild reserve now to try to fuck Russia in this moment.
22:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0006564 = 25.6324 BTC [+] {4}
22:41 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/lGxKLnX.gif
22:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xzfNr8 )
22:45 BingoBoingo lol
22:45 decimation http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/january/05/blowback-on-the-saudi-border-senior-general-killed/ << us isn't dumping oil, saudi arabia is, and not doing too well
22:45 assbot The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Blowback on the Saudi Border – Senior General Killed ... ( http://bit.ly/1BCgjnJ )
22:45 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Old lead mining town there. Can't expect much brightness there.
22:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00066138 = 22.0901 BTC [+] {3}
22:56 decimation !up svetlana
23:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10281 @ 0.0006555 = 6.7392 BTC [-]
23:12 BingoBoingo !up nubbins`
23:12 nubbins` well hello
23:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4870 @ 0.00066186 = 3.2233 BTC [+]
23:16 BingoBoingo hello nubbins`
23:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00064031 = 9.6367 BTC [-] {3}
23:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00063731 = 4.493 BTC [-]
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23:49 mircea_popescu decimation amusingly enough pretty much everyone is selling under production
23:49 mircea_popescu but they're not stopping.
23:49 mircea_popescu now, why that is...
23:50 mircea_popescu if anyone cares, there was another ddos bout, but it didn't do anything.
23:50 kakobrekla wai you get all the fun
23:50 kakobrekla :(
23:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00062519 = 3.0009 BTC [-]
23:53 mircea_popescu i guess cause i'm taller ?
23:53 kakobrekla not by that much...
23:54 mircea_popescu maybe it's first past the pole.
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