#trilema | 2014-10-08

i think the last guy that tried to do anything substantial was reagan. maybe nixon.

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ahh all caught up. it's a nioce feeling

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!up nara__narayana

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well hello

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http://www.naturalnews.com/046290_Ebola_patent_vaccines_profit_motive.html#

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Why does the CDC own a patent on Ebola 'invention?' - NaturalNews.com

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you guys seen this yet?

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nope

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kewl

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOK5pon8-Ok << no eng. subs for the inglischers unfortunately. but still educational.

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. . - YouTube

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(storm of donetsk airport)

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key flux point

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just learned today that assad and ISIL/ISIS/TNEX are pretty closely tied

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so that's pretty chill

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doh

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proxy wars to the death, over there.

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mhm

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asciilifeform: which side are the soldiers in the video?

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interesting that everyone pictured is firing semi-auto

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PeterL: ru

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asciilifeform "allegedly" :p

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Isn't it generally accepted that semi-auto is more effective?

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a number are wearing soviet-era regalia/medals (grandfather's ?)

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meh.

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asciilifeform afaik the stuff is traded widely among active duty men.

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sort-of like in a sports team. lucky charms and all that

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traded widely among - everybody

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asciilifeform played with big tub of these as a boy

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i never really care, except i bought the yugo equivalent of the purple heart from a lame guy once and wore it to a politico party to make ap oint

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cared*

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lol!

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point was made ?

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"see this ? guess which limb i'm missing, mr x?" "uhh" "the shame. just like you."

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yes

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nara__narayana so who're you anyway ?

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myself

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just roaming around america atm

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asciilifeform: I got that u-blox neo-7n module running, now to use pps signal to discipline that ocxo card

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crypto+mobile tech has allowed be to do this thank god

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ocxo?

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the pci card off of ebay I linked awhile back. $3k golden toliet price, I paid 100

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aha

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!up nara__narayana

00:36

who's seeing the blood moon?

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16:40 mark - fellow explains why ropes on stiff's feet (own side) - tied, to pull him a bit from a distance, see if 'surprise underneath'

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(ancient favourite trick, if anyone didn't know it)

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incidentally

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i kept wondering, for months, when 'hot' machines from Pripyat will turn up

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word is - this has happened.

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('graveyard' was full of perfectly good mothballed tech)

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what will be gotten from said tech?

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perfectly good machines - tanks, trucks, etc

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just a little bit of reactor crud in them.

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circa '86.

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asciilifeform they're not that hot anymore anyway

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been what, 20 years.

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inside.

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30 even

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antifragile radiation bruh

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who doesn't need their daily dose of radioactive decay?

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eh, it's pretty easy to clean up fallout

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just wash it down well, you're good

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people get their panties in a bind about radiation, it's everywhere in varying amount

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decimation 30 years' rains, bout done by now.

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!up deadalus

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doesn't rain inside the box

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yeah, depends where it was and how much plutonium stuck to it

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apparently plutonium is extremely sticky from what I've heard

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!up mpmcsweeney

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*

mpmcsweeney tips his hat

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how goes.

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decimation iodine was most of the fallout

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actual plutonium is quite rarely a contaminant

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lol apparentyl im not kidding http://mic.com/articles/88483/something-surprising-happened-to-the-animals-around-chernobyl-28-years-after-the-disaster

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Something Surprising Happened to the Animals Around Chernobyl 28 Years After the Disaster - Mic

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yeah that's not so good, take your iodine pills to keep it out of your endocrine system

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pretty much everything lower than Pu in the atomic table is present to some degree inside a fission reactor

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well if the reaction runs away... pretty much everything forms.

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the main problem is the stuff that decays slowly, but on the upside it decays slowly - less intense radiation

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there's probably stuff all the way to 230 in there.

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course it doesnt live long

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that was the point of the 'cold war shelter' - live in a box until the really hot stuff rots away and then come out in relative safety

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washes away.

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heh yeah that too

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yeah, more wash than decay really.

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not 'too' - mostly.

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I would believe that. The main problem is gonna be stuff that gets taken up in plants over the long term

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the ~30yr. half lives of sr-90 and cs-137 are just that

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half-lives.

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not one-$maxint-th lives.

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but anyway, for living things the problem is mostly their own metabolism. radioactive iodine is not distinguished from plain iodine ends up in endocrine system. strontium is, as far as the body is concerned, perfectly good calcium. so on.

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indeed.

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but that isn't gonna end humanity, just raise the probability of certain cancers

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more interesting than the birds and wolves - are the very old women (mostly women) who still live there.

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marrow?

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there's something like a few dozen left.

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I saw a show about it once, I think there is still a stubborn russian orthodox church open there too

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asciilifeform did not go and count, relies on rumour

00:54

their breeding the X-men in there!

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they're

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wasn't there some nutty motorcycle chick that kept sneaking in for a while ?

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afaik proven cribbed.

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http://thebabushkasofchernobyl.com/ \\ lolll omg

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The Babushkas of Chernobyl | A story of three unlikely heroines from the most toxic place on Earth

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(from other folks)

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lol 'most toxic place on earth'

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00074399 = 3.3108 BTC [+]

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I suspect that the nasty emissions that blot the sun from the sky in china do 'more harm', however you want to measure

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if you stay out of the buildings (not everyone can resist temptation to teleport into a nearly intact soviet childhood) it's clean. cleaner than a good chunk of the 'civilized' world.

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one wonders what ukraine would be like today if the nazis managed to survive in some fashion

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lol

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they survived in a little nature preserve - there.

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go and say hello to them.

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oh they certainly did

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hehe you mean the crazy 'ukrainian nationalists'?

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nope

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or rather, yes

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though they don't call themselves that

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what minds do you think the US harvested for their rocket progammes?

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(they are in the process of adopting english as an official language. so, go ask them what they're called.)

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I guess what I mean by 'nazi' is 'europe as a world power' instead of 'europe as us disneyland'

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lol

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afaik those are dead, like dodo.

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it wouldn't have been in any sense europe.

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lol

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now, had the austro-hungarians actually defeated the nasty side of germans, then yes, europe as world power.

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but ironically, i think by now it'd have looked exactly like us

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that is an even more interesting thought.

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my grandfather still complains about the Hungarian population of peoples geographically stuck in Transylvania

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stuck?

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yeah, I strongly doubt that the austro-hungarians would have resisted the 'democracy' derpage

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they're chained to walls, or what ?

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asciilifeform yes.

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they were sat upon stakes

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the womenz married to romanians won't live, the boys fdesperately in love wiht the womenz...

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idk, hungary in particular has a unique culture

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you know how it is.

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nara__narayana quite particular. for 100 years straight the highest suicide rate in europe

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back in 1980 the big news was that east germany became the 2nd highest (after hungary, everyone shook shoulders- of course after hungary)

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depends on what's a suicide and where europe is.

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geopolitical boundaries, asci

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probably because it's depressing as fuck to know that your culture is on the permanent wane

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decimation doesn't seem to affect the scots

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i.e. does death by no, fi, ru - rotgut - count as a suicide?

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asciilifeform nah actually, > russia.

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hahaha no.

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their culture died in 1745

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mircea_popescu funny you mention that, cousin committed suicide just recently

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well maybe not that funny

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!up nara__narayana

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genes are powerful i supose

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when I was last in europe (london) I got the depressing feeling that the shells of the historic buildings were being occupied by squatters unworthy of their inheritance

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you know i tend to think the exact same ?

01:07

started in egypt, this. spent a day in the museum surrounded by tall, lithe, elegant nosed people

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as if it were otherwise in old-time usa

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go into the street, short bug-like big nosed arab orcs

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wtf.

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(even when the colours match)

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yeah I got the same feeling in boston

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who is curernt holder of teh title?

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which

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asciilifeform vaguely recalls turnbull having claimed that the Ik are in fact ancient egyptians. or was this in a bad dream ?

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most likely to succeed, at suicide

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the nose knows

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(genealogically)

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it motivates me to visit Liechtenstein one day, it's probably the closest the world has to an actual historical form of functional government

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although it's probably been ruined by derpy swiss

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care to elaborate why?

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uh

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yea srsly, how you figued ?

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'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.'

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swiss lol

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jk those bankers fucking got it made

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nara__narayana: not really, who wants to bank in switzerland when they will divulge your banking to anyone who asks?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00074444 = 5.2483 BTC [+] {2}

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this is mainly why I classify it as slightly different http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18649156

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BBC News - Liechtenstein referendum rejects curbs on royal powers

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i was under the impression that switzerland was a banking hub due to many circumstances, both political and geographical

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but whatev, what do i know?

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2014#857910

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Logged on 04-10-2014 02:47:05; mircea_popescu: but anyway, only someone who had physically visited switzerland cca say 1994 can appreciate the immensity of the drop

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kk thanks

01:21

http://sprottmoneyblog.com/switzerland-to-take-back-its-gold/

01:21

Switzerland to Take Back Its Gold? | Sprott Money Blog

01:24

i keep getting requests from derps to delete this or that bit from trilema as if this were somehow a matter of course

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wtf is wrong with people.

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they think you are hurting their feelings?

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delete?

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sooooo....

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i <3 censorship

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http://online.wsj.com/articles/swiss-national-bank-reaffirms-currency-floor-maintains-rate-1411027953

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Swiss National Bank Reaffirms Currency Floor, Maintains Rate - WSJ

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forget censorship even, that's something for the powerful

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these are just... random nobody. figures he can write to people who he doesn't know, and tell them what to do

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fucking broken society, nobody has any idea of their place anymore

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bank doesn't want value of currency to trise for some reason

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liquidity concerns?

01:27

plebeians gonna pleb

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"o, someone important wrote something i don't like about me ? i know, i will CHANGE so that i'm no longer like that!11"

01:29

too fucking hard. how about instead... ask them to delete it. should work o.o

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as if you can delete anything on the internet anyway

01:32

status is such a currency right now, most people are blinded by veneer

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*now

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i guess it always has been

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aesthetic should be self-similar to content

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it's been a pleasure, see you guys later

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11538 @ 0.0007461 = 8.6085 BTC [+] {2}

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;;ticker

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bc,stats

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;;bc,stats

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02:14

;;later tell cazalla http://www.startupsmart.com.au/growth/bitcoin-startups-get-their-own-co-working-space/2014100813382.html

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The operation succeeded.

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decimation: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ Should have been red, blue, and white tribes... duh

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I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup | Slate Star Codex

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.13099999 = 2.62 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16160 @ 0.00074337 = 12.0129 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 550 @ 0.00149995 = 0.825 BTC [+] {6}

02:59

TheNewDeal: There are no wise men without idiots.

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sure there are

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anyways, author forgoed the opportunity to call the whitest of tribes white, and called them gray. White would have served better to confuse the crowd of readers

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asciilifeform: 'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.' << Maybe not a garden for you, but a garden for mycellium

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was gavin really commenting on qntra, or is that merely an actor

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Seems to be actual Gavin

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You could ask him

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vexual, are you too sober at this point in time?

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what am I making sense to you?

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too many sense

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http://bitbet.us/bet/839/a-team-from-california-will-win-the-world/#c4116 << Lol, only one California team left but both Missouri teams remain.

03:19

BitBet - A team from California will win the World Series :: 0.07 B (39%) on Yes, 0.11 B (61%) on No | closing in 2 days 16 hours | weight: 1`695 (100`000 to 1)

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.01494324 = 0.7472 BTC

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03:39

The Republic of Firestone Tires successfully contains Ebola in its corner of Africa http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/10/06/354054915/firestone-did-what-governments-have-not-stopped-ebola-in-its-tracks

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Firestone Did What Governments Have Not: Stopped Ebola In Its Tracks : Goats and Soda : NPR

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lol

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i don't even wanna read that the headline and byline are so good

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'firestone being a cheap chinese tyre that vurns as good as any bridgestone, and also goats and soda

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Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2P8AQ5K.txt )

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!b 5

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lol

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http://journals.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=101927

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PsychiatryOnline | The Journal of Neuropsychiatry and Clinical Neurosciences | Ejaculation After Defecation Without Orgasm Induced by Milnacipran

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bonfires over

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theres milnacipran in the marshmallows people, everyone out

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is not a good shit good enough?

03:51

science gone mad

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have you seen this BingoBoingo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBC-46

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apparently it dissappears tumours in days

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Interesting. Also apparently it keeps the Roos at bay

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well i think possums dont eat it

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although im not sure if anyones given them aesophogeal cancer yet

03:57

qbiotics is still accepting investors i tink

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do yo uknow anything of the chemistry?

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Not all too much.

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any idea on extraction?

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theres 5 years of black market there

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I think I'm going to re-watch Rick & Morty

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:)

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season 2 is too far away

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There also isn't much that could really be divined looking at such a big small molecular weight molecule

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if you care to read the paper id be interested

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huh, the usg cannot copyright but it can own patents? bit of a loophole there.

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bounce copyright and patent are two different concepts

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xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

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!up xiando

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fluffypony: Africa do anything interesting with BTC today?

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well we haven't banned it yet

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https://www.mailpile.is/blog/2014-10-07_Some_Thoughts_on_GnuPG.html

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Mailpile: Some thoughts on working with GnuPG

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http://rem.eifzilla.de/archives/2013/07/16/gpg4win-and-the-feds

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Gpg4win and the feds -- Werner's own blurbs

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what the hell are you making?

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Having to ship GnuPG binaries to Windows and MacOS users is bad enough, but dependency hell is a place we want to stay out of. If we were writing Mailpile in, say, C or C++, then PGPME would definitely be the library of choice, but we're not, so it isn't. << lulz

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"These both follow the same output format, according to DETAILS. But look what happens when I add spaces to align the columns:" << Then don't align the fucking columns to make them "look nice"

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you were reading electum a few days ago

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I'm on to supybot now

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ahhh

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which?

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which supybot?

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guess I'm going with Limnoria fork

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maybe nanotube has some advice on this matter

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i still have no idea what youre doing

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nanotube, should I use Limnoria?

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which as in whats the project - sorry If i overlooked

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rewriting deedbot and maybe other things

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OH excellent

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what does deedbot do?

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http://deedbot.com

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deedBot

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i like to read the cover first

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the guy is mia and never delivered the final code ver so had to have one of my haxor friends break into his server to extract it.. server has more holes than (something with a lot of holes)

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well who wants a PHP hairball anyway

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xactly

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PHP hairballs are gross

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python ftw

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he did duct-tape the thing pretty quickly, I'll give him that

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at least it works.

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.deed

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>:\

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needs voice

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!up deedbot

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php is what the boss ordered - despite my misgivings

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;;ticker

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Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 339.09, Best ask: 339.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 339.69, 24 hour volume: 20390.99035761, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 342.0, 24 hour vwap: 328.165414436

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.deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed

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deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle

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deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle

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Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed

04:25

Reddit comments always deliver!

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Yeah I'm not sure this will be so controversial. If miners want BTC to be worth more, then they'll want the network to scale. It's really that simple. And Gavin is obviously trustworthy.

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yes, quite the pinnacle of enlightened, thoughtful discourse

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8055 @ 0.00074225 = 5.9788 BTC [-] {2}

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http://g10code.com/steed.html

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g10 Code - STEED

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Oh. thats neat

04:35

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.13199999 = 2.772 BTC [+]

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Everyone just wants to follow Gavin and the BitcoinFoundation to the edge of the cliff.

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 58 @ 0.13099999 = 7.598 BTC [-] {2}

04:42

https://www.usenix.org/legacy/events/sec99/whitten.html

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http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-content/photos/000/844/cache/84413_990x742-cb1412615706.jpg

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is that the moon or mars?

04:53

blood moon tonight

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you'd have noticed it if it was mars

04:53

thats a likeness of Juscelino Kubitschek with the last blood moon

04:54

!up deedbot

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guess I'm gonna register deedbot2

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yea - we'll get it back from him soon

04:56

maybe deedb0t

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maybe punkbot

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d33db0t

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OH yea

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http://www.eyeneer.com/video/rock/jimi-hendrix/voodoo-chile-a-slight-return this is jimi hendrix describing thet he was born of a night like tonight

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Bundled: 7612d32b22d661a66af49c283157bcb11b0fcc72d3230d61447199ac251675e9-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt

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well, he doesnt actualy mentio in in that version, but theres a small return

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published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/7612d32b22d661a66af49c283157bcb11b0fcc72d3230d61447199ac251675e9-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt

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RagnarDanneskjol: did you see anything interesting at the conference

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i got delayed - missed the first conference - headed to this one tomorrow. there is like a whole week of them.. hashers united(laff) comes the next day

05:17

going to http://coinagenda.com/

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Home

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 74 @ 0.01059552 = 0.7841 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.13099999 = 0.786 BTC [-]

05:19

RagnarDanneskjol: Would you be up for taking some pictures?

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ooh baby

05:20

kinda looks like a scammy conference

05:20

hmm, maybe. this is all investor derps and I'm not much of a camera guy, but guess I can take some spy shots

05:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00074277 = 20.2405 BTC [+] {2}

05:21

slap on a qntra.net badge, say you are from the press

05:21

they are all scammy conferences. make your skin crawl to hear most of the stuff there - like the worst of the worst. I just go to gawk

05:21

Ha

05:21

Brian Santos is the BitcoinPride/SatoshiPoker guy

05:22

he doesnt say so when he speaks tho

05:22

RagnarDanneskjol: Just if there's any booths out there would be appreciated. If you get 5 picutres I'll toss you Hundredth out of the Cardinals won the NLDS kitty.

05:22

Also Hundredth is the new slang for what used to be called a bitcent

05:22

heh. no 'exhibitors at this one. its all start up pitched to Angel losers

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Ah

05:23

pitches*

05:23

will they have lulzy powerpoints?

05:24

Oh, so the desperate starter uppers don't have booths in a pen where they sling pitches like at Arrington's?

05:24

i can only hope so

05:24

hundreth? sounds a litlle sr ?

05:24

who says hundreth?

05:25

Vexual: We have to accept that Bitcoin itself may become contraband all on its own.

05:25

mayhaps ill just bust ross out, did they move his 140k?

05:26

Havent checked

05:26

i think they did

05:27

this aint shawshank

05:27

RagnarDanneskjol: Check any NCAA betting lines yet this week? My usually shitbook is offering Mizzou and Georgia at even money.

05:28

!up eightyeight

05:28

not yet - usually wait till thursday. That will be a great game.

05:28

!up eizodo

05:28

http://www.worldslargestship.com/building-a-triple-e/

05:28

Building it | Worlds largest ship

05:29

RagnarDanneskjol: Either great or horrible. Georgia hasn't been looking very Georgia like this year.

05:29

i kno. fun fact: Ragnar played as redshirt freshman for the bulldogs

05:29

d-end

05:30

I actually hate the team tho,, my team's USC (carolina)

05:30

altho I fuking HATE Spurrier.

05:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00074697 = 4.183 BTC [+]

05:32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozDDYcyrCNE so, you like baseball?

05:32

Nice. I imagine no one really likes Spurrier though. Sort of coach who wins consistently, but it is so painful to endure the way he does it.

05:33

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/10/06/beepi-raises-60-million-to-sell-used-cars-to-the-smartphone-generation/

05:33

Beepi Raises $60 Million to Sell Used Cars to the Smartphone Generation - Digits - WSJ

05:33

" in a bet that people will purchase used cars with a few taps from their smartphones without ever taking a test drive."

05:36

surely the smartphone generation prefers new cars?

05:36

oh they even take bitcoin

05:36

I prefer used cars myself, but would never buy one without a test drive.

05:36

thats it\

05:37

but kids line up to pay 1000 for the new ihone

05:37

Give the cars a few years to separate what is actually reliable vs. crippled

05:40

Also the way cars depreciate unless you do the retarded route and go Dealer certified the discount for used is immense.

05:41

Additionally I've found a new favorite pdf de-turder http://document.online-convert.com/convert-to-txt

05:41

Convert documents to TXT

05:41

neato

05:41

oh NICE - i need this

05:42

It was the first converter I tried that actually de-shitted the court pdf successfully

05:43

eat beans

05:43

before court

05:44

Vexual: I have to get a hold of the lawyer today, and find out why again it appears he failed to get a dismissal.

05:44

dismissal you'll have

05:44

BingoBoingo: is it because he keeps getting paid?

05:45

;;google frank matano naples

05:45

Farting on people 2 ( Italy- Naples ) =)))) by Frank Matano - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-EXdnVMhM>; Farting on people ( italy-milan ) =))) by Frank Matano - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnFazmfipZs>; farts on people in the park. [Frank Matano] - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_DMr2Alfac>

05:46

punkman: He only gets paid again if it goes to trial.

05:48

But he already seems too busy for his caseload.

05:49

look him in the eye and tell him what you want, same goes for the judge

05:51

save if for the day if your guy is being a cunt

05:52

I already have a sack of secret shit ready for trial if it comes to that.

05:55

mircea_popescu: <mike_c> any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from? << cazalla ran off with a lass, but he'll be back midweek, ima push him to put quantcast in there, then you can see directly. <<< i will do this in the morning

05:56

sgornick: Hey cazalla and/or BingoBoing, ... check PM for message re: @Qntra twitter - http://Twitter.com/Qntra <<< you can change email to info@qntra.net, happy to leave it as a feed, ty for that

05:56

Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter

05:57

Does anyone here participate in webbotforum.com they've been sending a tiny bit of traffic, but no way to know in what context we've been linked

06:03

BingoBoingo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Bot

06:03

Web Bot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

06:03

probably automated

06:04

punkman: If you go to their domain it seems more like a sort of club or cult thing.

06:04

Seekrit manifest and all

06:04

yeah think I've seen it before

06:08

here's a "report" from them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AyMq5iYUhI

06:08

IDIR6212014FlyingNaziEconomy - YouTube

06:13

that being said, it's highly likey the best of the suisse banks are unchanged still

06:16

and bingoboingos case will be dismissed

06:16

I hope

06:16

well it's kinda how things go

06:17

you're probably tagged as a pep

06:19

ie politically exposed person

06:20

Maybe?

06:21

After seeing what happened with Weev, maybe the figure I'm less problematic if not exposed to prison?

06:21

well im channelling tomme le jones here now, but id say if you dont do too mcuh wrong in the next well youll be fine

06:24

tomme lee jones never typed that dunk

06:24

*drunk

06:25

who's weev?

06:25

gnaa

06:25

u wot?

06:26

;;ud gnaa

06:26

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GNAA | Nov 29, 2004 ... Are you a gay nigger!? YES!! well there you go...you are eligible. GNAA came to town but no one went to the convention. I felt bad. Wait. what?

06:26

yes but weev?

06:26

oh

06:27

cazalla a desk at that coop might bring scoops

06:27

or chinese lunches

06:28

just catching up on logs, then i'll check out links

06:28

all mojo

06:28

all day

06:30

;;gettrust cazalla

06:30

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Vexual to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Vexual&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014

06:31

what's your wot name Vexual

06:31

muxne

06:32

;;rate muxne 1 true blue fair dinkum aussie battler

06:32

Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

06:32

fuck that's too hard right now

06:32

grappa?

06:33

i've had a beer but i just finished driving syd to melb

06:33

youll need a few more

06:33

so many dead roos on the hume hwy yet none in sight

06:33

did you see the guy hit a roo on a harley on liveleak?

06:33

nah just 1, i'm done (excessive) drinking

06:33

no lol

06:33

he hit it square and held it

06:34

115kph

06:35

there is a gixxer hitting one on youtube but no harley, that it?

06:35

i dont know what gixxer is

06:36

gsxr

06:36

the suzukis

06:36

im sure it said harley

06:36

1100?

06:36

found it

06:37

thatd be more than 155 and chop suey

06:37

weights up higher

06:37

damn, lucky rider

06:37

good rider first, also lucky

06:38

i rode a gsxr once

06:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87600 @ 0.00074185 = 64.9861 BTC [-] {5}

06:40

i saw colours

06:40

i had a zzr for a bit, thinking i'll play some road rash for real

06:40

you know how that worked out

06:42

thats a fast piece of machinery, and the valves sound special

06:42

give you the kinda feedback you need at 100 mph

06:42

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/supreme_court_dispatches/2014/10/supreme_court_arguments_for_arkansas_prisoner_beard_case_what_can_you_hide.html

06:42

Supreme Court arguments for Arkansas prisoner beard case: What can you hide in half-inch stubble?

06:42

im guessing you bent the front spokes and gave it away?

06:43

nah, i came off the road, mind you this was zzr 250cc, not even a powerful bike

06:43

slid on the gravel a bit, bike was all scratched to hell, spooked me enough to call it a day

06:43

well a zzr 250 and a gsxr1100 across the traffic lights...

06:43

and top speed...

06:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.13099999 = 2.096 BTC [-] {2}

06:44

was for the best

06:44

theres not much in it

06:44

zzr is a nice bike

06:45

yah

06:46

anyway, things we do when young and stupid

06:47

yeah, i wouldn't wanna ride one all the way to sydney

06:49

but a zzr 250 will take anything across the likes at 13k revs

06:50

*lights

06:50

;;ticker

06:50

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 345.79, Best ask: 346.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 346.0, 24 hour volume: 22349.95030193, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 346.0, 24 hour vwap: 330.570145068

06:50

yep yep

06:50

unless you're an elf on a powerband aprillia 125

06:52

shits got more ^2 than a 747

06:56

i hope they put kawasakis in hoverbikes

06:58

or are they called hoverquads?

06:58

quikes?

07:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspJVTQz7dU loose tappets

07:05

sounds like my car

07:06

deus ex machina

07:06

which has a yamaha 1800 vtec

07:06

honda?

07:06

fuck you

07:06

its cool

07:06

toyota corolla

07:06

its an excellent machine

07:07

blueprinted?

07:07

mostly stock

07:07

what year?

07:10

i had an 82

07:11

leaked oil

07:11

and power

07:12

and occassionally din't run

07:13

but iv'e been in a nice one

07:14

made me wish i knew how to maintain

07:21

'01 jdm zze123, sold as sportivo in au

07:23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQeRVMuMdVc US equiv, about how mine runs

07:23

Riyoz Racing Toyota MR-S / Spyder with 2zz-ge engine in Sepang Circuit ( SIC ) - YouTube

07:24

er matrix is US body

07:24

i sthat a rear engine jobbie?

07:24

mrs is

07:26

spyder for the mrs

07:27

most borrowed car evar

07:30

now its all tts and 350s

07:33

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwO43jRd7M0 just gotta get milk

07:40

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 24031 @ 0.00003222 = 0.7743 BTC [+] {2}

07:42

New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/coinagenda-conference-begins-today/

07:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvL-kiDbNeU

07:44

coingenda started yesterday fyi bingoboingo

07:44

RagnarDanneskjol: That was just a reception

07:44

melbourne seems realer about doind stuff

07:45

oh yea - i see you mentioned that - I got my confrences mixed - its a fuull week

07:45

that said ive never been to vegas

07:48

after a receiont last night ... after a reception last night. so there was like a reception last night? did I get that right?

07:48

fxd

07:49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbHLj7xt5Rw afroman circa 200 (lyric:sell your crack on the internet but not yet)

07:59

Vexual: 350z?

07:59

yah, ladies car

08:00

get the saloon

08:00

i had a 350z, great track car

08:00

well then

08:01

and i had this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_P8JMp4aNo

08:01

1995 Toyota MR2 turbo - YouTube

08:02

ill take the mr2

08:04

which saloon do you mean?

08:04

above

08:04

whats it called the nissan?

08:04

i forget

08:05

the 350z?

08:05

gt-r?

08:05

thats the ladies coupe

08:05

thast it

08:06

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMfLxCHIWK8 <-- ladies?

08:06

Dicey 350z exit from turn 2 at Texas World Speedway CCW - YouTube

08:09

it's a sexy car, i just wouldnt own it

08:09

fair 'nuff

08:10

exige still have the 2zz-ge?

08:10

ill take a gtr

08:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs heres your fat ass 350

08:13

yeah, and the later models are supercharged

08:13

supercharged?

08:13

(Exiges). yeah, my S260 has 260 horsepower with a 1.8L engine

08:13

that might cause some forward mmomentum

08:14

with a 2000-pound car, yep

08:14

yeah NA version in my car

08:14

NA is NA

08:15

know a couple of dudes with blower kits

08:17

well let me at cha with a dremel and a scredriver

08:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwgGuadsqyo

08:21

corolla

08:22

get acii on the case put a belt drive blower on that shit

08:22

*ascii

08:23

fix the oil seals manyana

08:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20752 @ 0.0007423 = 15.4042 BTC [+]

08:29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5LQxrZccQE

08:29

looks like julia t

08:34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5I7lXV9b88

08:37

fuckin aye

08:41

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aepBpZ3kXek

08:46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyaUtnWr8Gw jack nicholson on freedom in the usa

08:49

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/salmon-festival-a-financial-flop-town-reveals-1.2792049

08:49

Salmon Festival a financial flop, town reveals - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

08:50

imagine, Maroon 5 was the headliner and nobody wanted to go

08:50

who woulda thought

08:50

id go, i love maroon 5

08:50

also salmon

08:50

prolly moreso

08:52

im ust be part inuit

08:54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmugSMBh_iI

08:54

did you go?

08:58

so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes

08:58

guess not

08:58

wisdom of the crowd!

09:00

aerosmith , kiss, marooooooooooooooooooooooon5

09:00

the lcal scan't say it

09:01

marun?

09:02

mar'un

09:02

eh fek it

09:06

nanotube

punkman1: yea limnoria is a good choice.

09:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMEGBsw6j8

09:11

orb learn relativity

09:11

*

Vexual wanker

09:12

orb report hapiness

09:13

*

Vexual vaoant

09:15

thickasthieves they changed to appease the wrong crowd

09:15

this concert is in the middle of the fuckin island in a town of 13k people

09:16

generally they get some washed-up act like kiss or the eagles or aerosmith, everybody's parents drive out to central to relive the days of their youth

09:16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RXRHmIFB_c

09:16

nobody's driving 5 hours to see a maroon 5 concert.

09:18

or salmon

09:19

nor*

09:21

well, y'know, rightly so.

09:21

anyway, attendance this year was about 1/3 of last year, when they ran out of water.

09:21

id drive 5 hors for a slice of salmon

09:21

and so at the end of the day, the town is out half a mill

09:22

we have a shrimp fetsival here that does really well

09:22

thats a half thruth

09:22

maybe next year they'll get william hung

09:22

they dont get famous bands so much as very popular cover bands

09:22

heh thickasthieves that's the idea

09:22

yeah i was gonna say that sounds like a winner

09:23

"up next: pistols & flowers"

09:23

"up next: led hot zilli peppers"

09:23

lol

09:23

(they cover rhcp AND zeppelin, natch)

09:23

you srs ?!

09:23

yay not wasting moeny!

09:23

no joke

09:24

pistols & flowers ?

09:24

also no joke

09:24

wtf's next, "the whom" ? "the bind" ?

09:24

lol

09:24

i had an idea that we'd have a newfoundland-based Who cover band called The Wha?

09:24

ahahh

09:24

moar like the why, amirite.

09:24

*

nubbins` claps softly

09:24

meth + none is cheaper than someone

09:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnoxRXmKrdU

09:25

Led Hot Zili Peppers - Proud Mary - Turtle Jacks, Jun.14/11 - YouTube

09:25

i suspect these guys are just hanson with some hair dye

09:25

drummer looks about 9

09:25

kids rock

09:25

!up brianhoffman

09:26

drummers going places

09:26

not with his hair in his eyes

09:26

just as long as he doesn't care about the blood...

09:26

he'll be shaved and get better friends

09:26

Vexual in the meantime, sick article about silkscreening touchscreens

09:26

wish there was more video ;/

09:26

yeah its the future and shit

09:27

ahhh this is lulzy. trilema traffic on bitcoin bottom day, = the entire month of august.

09:27

once i figure out a food-based emulsion i'm going to start screening jam on my sandwiches

09:27

this blog be goin' places.

09:27

nubbins` mayo.

09:27

mircea_popescu i guess everyone figured you had the answers

09:27

people have been painting with mayo since about 1500

09:28

but wouldn't all the egg just preserve everything nicely?

09:28

actually this reminds me, roomie made mayo from scratch the other day

09:28

i think it was a good idea letting this guy move in

09:28

nubbins` 20gb dood. more than all the text everyone who ever wrote the constitution ever read.

09:29

that's a lotta text

09:29

which guy ?

09:29

so there's this restaurant here, RAYMONDS, and it's been voted the top restaurant in canada a number of times by a number of different publications who feel it's in their power to dish out such an award

09:30

new roomie gets a job there 2 days after he moves in

09:30

and MAN can this guy fuckin cook

09:30

The Whom, lol!

09:30

o hai tat

09:31

resturants go bad with bad mayo

09:31

i had these roma tomatoes and i wondered aloud "what can i make with these?"

09:31

its where the very term chicken shit came from

09:32

nubbins` just ftr, i make all the girls learn to make mayo from scratch. which means, from eggs.

09:32

9 hours later we'd made homemade mayo, lasagna from scratch, a full shoulder of pulled pork, fresh ravioli, pan-seared cod...

09:32

it's not so hard really.

09:32

but lasagna takes more than nine hours.

09:32

you make lagsngne in house?

09:33

the prep work was done the day before

09:33

had to slow-roast the tomatoes in the oven overnight

09:33

a

09:33

immabout to get garfield on your arse mr poescue

09:33

hm ?

09:33

but yeah. pasta, sauce, meat, all of it from scratch

09:33

well the meat was ostensibly made from cow.

09:33

HEH

09:33

did ya kill the cow?

09:33

moose, in fact

09:34

ground it ourselves tho!

09:34

ah, ran over it?

09:34

under

09:34

nah my mom is from "the bay", we get all the moose we want for free

09:34

heh thickasthieves knows how they're shaped

09:34

lol

09:34

generally you hit a moose, it ends up in your lap

09:34

does moose taste similar to deer?

09:34

never tried deer

09:34

kakobrekla nah, similar to bison.

09:34

moose is like a spicy/stringy beef

09:35

never had bison or moose. had deer many times.

09:35

kakobrekla how about wild boar ?

09:35

caribou might be closert

09:35

*closer

09:35

possibly although i dont recall it.

09:35

he lives basically in this model railroad world. all they got there is rabbits, quail and the occasional deer. tinycountry.

09:36

who me?

09:36

and dogs

09:36

yes you :D

09:36

meh

09:36

horse ftw

09:36

they have ice too

09:36

anyway this all started with "i wonder what i can do with these roma tomatoes"

09:37

ok ok, horse works. cow -> moose is about the same amplitude as chicken -> horse

09:37

24h later, eating moose/pork/tomato ravioli w/ cod and veg: "this is one thing you can do with those tomatoes"

09:37

9h after that, eating lasagna: "this is another thing"

09:37

mircea_popescu you forgot 'edible house mouse'

09:37

nubbins` careful you don't end up living with an ex little producer.

09:37

i make a wholemeal pasta for my lagsagne

09:37

eh

09:38

'edible dormouse'

09:38

uh. wtf

09:38

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_dormouse

09:38

Edible dormouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

09:38

edible by whom, squirrels ?

09:38

ex little producer

09:38

nubbins` paul f little

09:38

these live in the woods and their fat has great medical value

09:39

"this, sadly, is another thing you can do with those tomatoes :("

09:39

but yes, they have been and are still (traditionally) eaten

09:40

rats?

09:40

looks more like a chinchilla

09:40

romans ate em

09:40

Glis Glis, heh

09:40

do you mice the bones or dress them?

09:40

smaller than chinchilla

09:40

its like a big mouse

09:41

mice the whole thing? fur and all?

09:41

very good furr also

09:41

like a grey chipmunk

09:41

my grandfather still hunts them

09:41

lets stick to beef

09:42

should we use glue or mayo?

09:42

i've got a variety of adhesives we can use

09:42

what is this the fucking roadkill cafe?

09:42

how about alba-tac?

09:42

this room would probly prefer sugru

09:43

i have some sugru but i think it's expired.

09:43

sugru?

09:43

adhesive putty

09:43

feels unusually stiff inside the package

09:43

Vexual room-temp-cure silicone

09:43

thats not food

09:43

lol

09:43

who said anything about food?

09:43

we're trying to stick to beef here

09:43

and mayo

09:44

mayo's not sticky enough

09:44

although i can cook kangaroo like you won't see anywhere

09:44

it makes you blind?

09:44

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_pornography#mediaviewer/File:Wiki-POV-pornography.png

09:44

Gonzo pornography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

09:45

now you know

09:45

no just generally, people leave kangaroo off the menu

09:45

<nubbins`> mayo's not sticky enough << you can make it as sticky as you want

09:46

because is a shade harder to do than mayo, and blantantly unnecessary

09:46

but i'm almost out of oil :(

09:46

use lube i guess ?!

09:46

would precum work?

09:46

you get one of two experiences

09:47

good and bad

09:47

nubbins` you gonna make mayo out of eggs and eggs ?

09:47

actually worth it , lol, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZM-eG-SZ_A&feature=youtu.be

09:47

Fake questions at the catwalks during Milano Fashion Week - YouTube

09:48

actually, i don't know if i have any eggs left.

09:48

the lasagne took like ten of them

09:48

o heya cazalla. how was the lass ?

09:48

yoghurt is the lesser level to mayo

09:48

its supposed to be ... err how you say

09:48

kakobrekla lmao idjits

09:49

totally

09:49

cultured?

09:49

i dont want to be on this planet anymore!

09:49

kako awesome vid lol

09:49

kakobrekla or you could just no go to milan for faker week

09:49

i mean fashion week

09:50

if only this would be limited to that.

09:50

its all about the greek

09:51

"everything you can put on your head, i love it."

09:51

shoes

09:51

"ballsacs especially"

09:52

can you use phpmyadmin to administer anything other than mysql incidentally ?

09:53

not that id known

09:54

anyway, all these people giving the sr prosecution a hard time are just assholes.

09:54

they got on the server and did if (database === php), got True and are all in the right.

09:56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJQSAiODqI

10:01

Scalia cuts him off: Well, religious beliefs arent reasonable. I mean, religious beliefs are categorical. You know, its God tells you. Its not a matter of being reasonable. He looks amazed. God, be reasonable?

10:01

gotta love scalia lol

10:01

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/trinity-western-grad-attacked-for-being-christian-in-job-rejection-1.2791323

10:01

Trinity Western grad 'attacked' for being Christian in job rejection - British Columbia - CBC News

10:02

check the "read the full email" link just below the picture of the red viking guy

10:03

imo that's great precedent. hopefully people start attacking muslims for being muslims, it's a fucking ridoinculous religion and it needs some public mockery.

10:04

i havent read the book

10:05

;;ticker

10:05

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 339.73, Best ask: 340.97, Bid-ask spread: 1.24000, Last trade: 339.73, 24 hour volume: 22401.26252814, 24 hour low: 321.98, 24 hour high: 346.0, 24 hour vwap: 333.936354616

10:05

thats lad looks like she might not be able to fjord tho

10:06

since when did no or yes need a qualifier

10:06

to fjord ? it's a fjverb now !?

10:06

ya

10:06

its both

10:07

english is whorish like that

10:07

viking guy says, re jesus "if i was to meet the guy, i'd actually fuck him."

10:08

+1 hey?

10:08

i wouldn't fuck dubious jew carpenter guys

10:08

mary magdalene, however, maybe.

10:08

this is pre-syphilis after all.

10:08

did he die a jew, tho?

10:09

nubbins` what's with this canadian preoccupation with death in a fucking context.

10:09

iirc the guy was baptized

10:09

heavens ripped open, etc etc, john had a bit of concern over it all

10:09

the ripped open heavens i'd fuck

10:09

who wouldn't?!

10:10

"Given that the SR Server was hosting a blatantly criminal website, it would have been reasonable for the FBI to 'hack' into it in order to search it, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary."

10:10

what the fuckin fuck?

10:10

http://stmarymagcoa.org/ << lol!

10:10

St Mary Magdalen Parish - Home

10:11

nubbins` welcome to yesterday's lols.

10:11

they were had!

10:11

just catching up

10:12

"given that the american senator had pornography on his computer, the glorious kingdom of saudi arabia hacked into his computers without compunction, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary"

10:13

welcome to the asymmetric future

10:13

certainly.

10:13

im sure the argument will be brought on any future "onoes we were hacked" trials.

10:13

course you were hacked, you're the fucking government, everyone's principal enemy.

10:15

!s hard fork

10:15

17 results for 'hard fork' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hard+fork

10:15

thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes. wisdom of the crowd! << quite. the worst thing you can do is listen to the idiots. just because they do with the mouth doesn't mean they actually want any of it implemented. what's next, cow barns made according to cow moos ?

10:16

lol

10:16

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2S66QVH.txt )

10:16

!b 2

10:16

there isn't even a process to turn mooing into blueprints.

10:16

mooooprints

10:16

*

nubbins` tips hat, lights jazz cigarette

10:16

lol jazz cigarette

10:16

;;google patricia kaas is not jazz

10:16

Patricia Kaas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Kaas>; Black Coffee - Patricia Kaas - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqS_4B4JYws>; Patricia Kaas - L'heure du jazz (LP, L out) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qina9Bkp1s>

10:17

hm, i wonder...

10:17

;;ud jazz cigarette

10:17

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jazz%20cigarette | A slang term used for Marijuana cigarettes during the 1920's in the United States. Cannabis cigarettes were sold in jazz clubs during this period thus the origin of ...

10:17

nubbins` you asshole, aerosmith ain't washed up!!!!1

10:17

all's well

10:17

mircea_popescu -_-

10:18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfDI2ZjXwK8

10:18

anyway. yeah, they did ok, 1 lb of cocaine a month for 40 years

10:18

i saw jane's addiction a few years ago. they were supposed to have steven tyler come out to play guitar for "jane says"

10:18

but the old bastard broke his brittle elbow

10:18

so they got whoever the fuck plays guitar in aerosmith instead

10:18

joe somebody?

10:19

tyler plays guitar now ?!

10:19

right?!

10:19

joe perry, that's it.

10:19

yup

10:19

tyler just does with the mouth

10:19

anyway, imagine that asshole and dave navarro on a stage together

10:19

no idea who dave is

10:19

but tyler's enough an asshole for any needs.

10:20

guitarist from j.a., had some success in a douchey solo career

10:20

anyway, perry is imo the best guitar player of all time.

10:20

very "hollywood"

10:20

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Dave_Navarro_2010.jpg

10:20

mircea_popescu FWIW he fucking slayed the song

10:20

kinda underrated because people are idiots and since tyler was such a magnetic frontman they forgot perry's even there

10:21

heck, he forgot too, leading to some animosity down the road. but anyway

10:21

til mp is into smith

10:22

o yeah. always been. this is what i used to answer when 12 yo girls asked a 11 yo me what music i listen to

10:22

heh. i had a brief fling around the time "get a grip" came out

10:22

didn't last

10:22

anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DHGZZ-apMk

10:22

Jane's Addiction - Jane Says (Live at Irvine Meadows 1991) - YouTube

10:22

NOT featuring joe perry, but hey.

10:23

noice

10:23

i don't think they ever did something i didn;t like. but then mtv came out and i stopped following.

10:25

how about the "don

10:26

't wanna close my eyes" shit

10:26

armageddon

10:26

eh get out.

10:26

*

nubbins` calmly tips over king w/ pawn

10:27

sorry, low blow

10:27

nah, the band formed in the early 70s, did it';s stuff by the end of the decade. then fairbairn pumped some life into it enough to get permanent vacation out and that's about it.

10:28

course the videos with applegate and tyler's young hottie are not bad, but they're not really good, either.

10:28

if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.

10:28

eddie van halen is probly my #1 guitarist

10:29

not cause i like van halen songs tremendously

10:29

<+mircea_popescu> if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.

10:29

leeel

10:29

just really appreciate how he works in them

10:29

shit, it's not applegate, iths the other blondie

10:29

wtf was her name

10:29

silverstone!

10:29

arquette?

10:29

blondie?

10:29

alicia

10:29

yeah

10:30

nubbins` you laugh, sir, but once they find a way to allow personality implants, most housewives will be running stoya 1.0

10:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU

10:30

so, question, can digital music monetization be solved by essentially IPOing songs via bitcoin?

10:31

each song is purchased and each customer becomes a X% owner of the current remaining % unpurchased

10:31

sorta like a ponzi

10:31

but not

10:31

you get a song

10:31

thickasthieves you're missing the part about how someone, somewhere, sometime HAS TO PAY SOMETHING

10:31

mircea_popescu and most aspies will be running schwartzenegger_0.9_early_beta_SiKOSiS_cracked_with_keygen

10:31

that's the crux. nothing is getting solved around that.

10:31

but they get part ownership

10:31

nubbins` that's already here.

10:31

so sales revenue

10:31

thickasthieves sales ? what sales ?

10:31

stake

10:31

so MA just passed some legislation raising min. wage to $9/hr in jan2015 and $10/hr in jan2016

10:32

well popular artists could have preorders and min orders

10:32

mats_cd03 congratulations!

10:32

i wonder whats going to happen

10:32

min wage was raised to $10.25 here a week or two ago

10:32

i aint some broke nigga nubbins`

10:32

nobody's sold anything since 1999. ticket sales work exactly like political campaign contributions, the ticket agencies get most of the dough.

10:32

mats_cd03: it'll breathe more life into the local economy? :P

10:32

people still do it for the concerts, because you can generally pick a chick in the crowd to fuck.

10:32

i doubt it

10:32

or even a couple of em, depending.

10:32

mats_cd03: you know that minimum-wage earners spend most of their raises, right?

10:32

mats_cd03 nothing's gonna happen.

10:32

ill be moving fixed rate rice soon

10:33

more part time workers

10:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26474 @ 0.00074733 = 19.7848 BTC [+] {2}

10:33

more people getting penalized for not having health insurance

10:33

a raise in minimum wage is a boon for small businesses that aren't too fucking stupid or poorly managed to take advantage of it

10:33

oh, wait, USA, right. the health thing.

10:33

heh.

10:33

*

nubbins` shakes head sadly

10:33

b-b-but romneycare in MA

10:33

pity they don't do the same thing to education, too

10:34

apple reports selling 25billion songs

10:34

O WAIT!!!!

10:34

mwahahaha

10:34

soooo

10:34

someone's buying

10:34

thickasthieves nope.

10:34

did you know i can jam a dirty needle into the crook of my elbow, rub hobo cum in it, wrap it in plastic for a month, and the hospital will fix it FOR FREE?

10:34

fuck mano

10:35

nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why.

10:35

$7.6bn CD sales

10:35

lol

10:35

$5.87b digital music

10:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Q_CZy968

10:35

thickasthieves you're confusing this situation where large companies play their own game with this situation where "someone's buying".

10:35

look at what the "computer security" market is at, sometime.

10:36

mircea_popescu maybe if obama had pushed canadacare instead...

10:36

i understand the numbers fluffed

10:36

but i dont believe they are tripled or such

10:36

not a matter of fluffed or tripled

10:36

i've bought music through apple

10:36

a matter of, "not your numbers"

10:36

not much, granted

10:36

but i've done it

10:36

wait, shit, sorry.

10:37

like, say, couple next door does A LOT OF FUCKING. so i go over, let's see. well, they're shy now.

10:37

apple sells 25bn songs and if you put one for sale it suddenly gets five views and a candian quarter.

10:38

were all sayin like now? i think we should stop that

10:38

its vulgar

10:38

so what exact problem do you figure "ipoing" will solve ? apple needs your ipo like i need a beard implant.

10:38

so youre just commenting on that the pie isnt something you can even take a slice of

10:38

and the non-apples aren't players now nor will they be players ever, that "market" lived its time and is now in the final phase.

10:38

quite.

10:38

beard implant lol

10:39

so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no?

10:39

not in any recognisable format.

10:39

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/10/08/134208/systemd-adding-its-own-console-to-linux-systems

10:39

Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems - Slashdot

10:39

yes, apple will go bankrupt. yes, the music distribution model of dino de laurentiis will die.

10:40

but it will die at the hands of kids who won't pay for music and the people serving them, who will do essentially stuff like sexy saffron

10:40

so no one will by singles nor streaming rights to them ever again?

10:40

it'll re-hash starting from its roots as entertainment, you'll go back to the performer, back to the instrument,

10:40

it's a cycle.

10:41

but technology doesnt just remove itself from the equation

10:41

so you think.

10:41

it's a social behaviour, music. technology gets removed out of the equation all the damned time.

10:41

i sure as shit dont pandora or whatever

10:42

;;google katajjaq

10:42

Inuit throat singing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_throat_singing>; Inuit Katajjaq (Throat Singing) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bCWVSUhNt8>; Katajjaq - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUq3_vYVEmc>

10:42

that's your future. a million people all doing a million weird things like ancient inuit "revivals" and so on.

10:42

it's that phase.

10:42

that was weird.

10:42

*

nubbins` eyes new RAM suspiciously

10:43

yep and nakye west featuring throat-singer selling $10m

10:43

tanya tagaq?!

10:43

she won polaris this year

10:43

rather $500m, after hyperinflation

10:44

i thought the whole thing about kanye and the handicapped folks at his concert was hilarious

10:44

thickasthieves:so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no? << uh, this already happened?

10:44

thickasthieves nah listen, these promotion things, are their own promotion thing. take inna, some romanian ex-highschool ho. got promoted for a summer.

10:44

take britney, a fine example.

10:44

these aren't artists and they aren't selling anything.

10:44

$500m? ill use fluffyponys' exclaimation

10:44

it's like imagining the talking heads are the owners of the network. no, they're just hired labour. like the janitors, exactly.

10:44

the network is a different story.

10:44

nubbins` well we're left with apple and the streamers still

10:45

yeah , but it's not really music, that

10:45

just like hot topic isn't really social commentary

10:45

it's just packaging, for to sell an actual product.

10:45

not so. there's a very vibrant music scene here locally as well as nationally. i can listen to this country's best music without ever listening to anything that's signed to a major label

10:45

yknow in america, things really are less logical than you guys realize

10:45

nubbins` exactly my point.

10:46

"music as a product" and "music actual humans with taste listen to" are two completely different things

10:46

people pay $10/m to like 3 streaming services just cuz it's affordable and convenient and fuckit

10:46

thickasthieves notrly. they only appear to be, to the people captive.

10:46

this harkens back to the discussion about art we had some time ago

10:46

thickasthieves but they pay TO THE SERVICES

10:46

people want to capitalize the M, make it Music (tm) instead of music

10:46

yes. i was proposing a service

10:46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CL6n0FJZpk

10:46

the "artists" get jack, and the idea that they're selling anything is ludicrous

10:46

i wasnt proposing solving the slavery issue of artists

10:47

protip: artists don't make money selling music, they make money doing everything else related to it but that

10:47

thickasthieves you sounded like you were, at least to me.

10:47

there's a reason leonard cohen's t-shirts cost more than his albums

10:47

i was proposing the service to bitcoinize and decentralization control of purchased music

10:47

so what are you proposing, ways for apple to optimize its being apple ?

10:47

you're in no position to do that, are you now.

10:47

dre made more money off his back cat than his headphones, he just likes new moeny

10:47

or ways to bite into apple's apple by being hipper

10:47

lol this is like talking to dank.

10:48

dude.

10:48

hip enough to sell out to yc or whatever

10:48

Vexual dre is an anomaly

10:48

hes boss

10:48

ok lets relaz and realize i'm just sharing a thought,

10:48

i'm not selling the farm to save music

10:48

nubbins` protip << yeah i said it above too, but somehow it dun stick.

10:48

he also made more money as a producer than as an artist

10:48

producer=producer

10:48

you know how much money dick surgery made selling albums?

10:48

$5

10:48

lol

10:49

thickasthieves that's not the problem. the problem is that you're insistent on discussing the topic on insanely unrelated priors.

10:49

you know how much dick surgery made selling t-shirts?

10:49

hundreds

10:49

nubbins` you owning the rights, ocourse

10:49

NATCH

10:49

the fucking point im making to him, already.

10:49

promotion business is a promoter's business. has jack shit to do with music.

10:49

people have fucked ideas about rights

10:49

they'd be selling aluminum siding just as well if they felt like it

10:49

this cats got the patent too

10:50

how many times have people paid me to design something, and then ask if it's okay for them to use it for X in the future

10:50

fucking of course it's okay!!!

10:50

you paid for it! it's yours!

10:50

the fact that this surprises people is fucked

10:50

u guys never let me just kickstartify decentralizationed ideas anymore

10:50

thickasthieves it's because we love you.

10:50

;;google coolio library site:bitcointalk.org

10:50

The collective Mastercoin-explorer, Mastercoin-ruby and Mastercoin ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=324102.55;wap2>; The collective Mastercoin-explorer, Mastercoin-ruby ... - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=324102.0;all>; About KNCMiner - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228068.0;all>

10:50

bah fuck

10:51

anyway there was a few jackasses who wanted to buy coolio's back catalogue with btc

10:51

for some reason

10:51

nubbins` lemme tell you something. i grew up in a world where owning the words was implicit. so i neatly expect any system ever devised to recognise my sovereign right to use any word i fucking choose. period.

10:51

i remeber that

10:51

kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters

10:51

i almost said something

10:51

to them it seems fucking natural they may use the words they're licensed to use

10:51

hear the sounds they're licensed to hear

10:51

and just like that, we can't live in the same world, ever.

10:52

pay per click!

10:52

turns out mouse costumes are cheaper than billy-clubs

10:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1PXRiVoJw its half a good idea

10:52

asciilifeform quite. and speaking of which... anyone's given a look at the internet, recently ?

10:52

the whole thing is like 500 sites, not even 1k

10:52

people who came of age in the 90s imagine this is still that unlimited field of endlessness, and long tails and all that.

10:52

a. belayev's 'the air seller.'

10:52

500 even seems a lot

10:52

forget it. that thing's dead. for years now.

10:52

;;google the air seller

10:52

The Air Seller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Air_Seller>; Amazon Best Sellers: Best Home Air Purifiers - Amazon.com: <http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Home-Kitchen-Air-Purifiers/zgbs/home-garden/267554011>; Amazon Best Sellers: Best Home Heating & Air Conditioning: <http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Books-Home-Heating-Air- (1 more message)

10:53

turns out amazon is the air seller.

10:53

bc was about 60 bux then

10:53

stuff like "net neutrality" aren't occuring in a vacuum. people have in fact managed to narrow it enough that by now managing sites on a per site basis is fewasible, just like channels on cable

10:53

Vexual costly :o

10:53

:)

10:53

THAT is why the telcos want a slice of the pie. because google and co managed to fuck the internet

10:53

and now it will be taken from them .as it fucking should.

10:53

fail to support an ecosystem, be eaten by your upstream provider.

10:54

there's always an upstream.

10:54

hurricane electric!

10:54

hm, i wonder do they still run an EFNet server

10:55

and obviously, nobody will be there to notice the fucking lesson, or put in plain words google's fundamental strategic failure

10:55

because strategists are about five in the whole world all told and the other four are doing military stuff.

10:55

if you see me pick up a gun, shootme

10:55

as far as everyone's concerned, google's a bucnh of geniuses. that they managed to fuck their market, well... that's just an accident.

10:56

"nobody could have foreseen" etc.

10:56

'UNLESS.'

10:56

forget it, it's like asking a dog to relate cause and effect across a week

10:56

the dog's memory is good for minutes, and his representative bubble can't exceed that.

10:57

;;ticker

10:57

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 346.02, Best ask: 347.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 346.0, 24 hour volume: 24021.20783683, 24 hour low: 321.98, 24 hour high: 348.89, 24 hour vwap: 335.074128774

10:57

lalala

10:59

not bad

10:59

i'm still in the money like MAD

10:59

asciilifeform speaking of unless. on a scale of 1 to 10, just how transparent is the ef-deer = fdr reference ?

10:59

9

10:59

bwahahaha

10:59

but maybe that's just me

11:00

i fear to find what may be 1 on your scale :D

11:01

1, idk, private key of fellow who i don't even know is alive, eh

11:01

you never taught, have you ?

11:01

not pro, no

11:02

heh

11:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXewIR7Y7cc

11:02

i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it.

11:03

ahaha various people told me this.

11:03

it's just... human head dun work so well.

11:05

<mircea_popescu> i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it. << Ever the optimist

11:06

heh.

11:08

this aint school

11:08

esta real life

11:10

youll only get points for saying something cool if its really fucking cool

11:10

outta sight cool

11:10

and if you don't, they dock ya.

11:10

aint that the truth

11:12

nubbins`_

and ya don't get to whine

11:12

anyway, thinking about it, i suppose that's the one, true, original classifier. not money nor "knowledge" nor anything else, but simply the contest of what is and what is not obvious.

11:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYfOnQF5S88

11:12

it splits people up into classes.

11:13

ive only reclently reaslised how much i need to explain

11:14

i think i did university wrongly

11:15

who didn't

11:19

well im sure i never scool any eaasy reader as well as mircea_popescu did

11:21

and i was writing on genetics, so i coulda

11:27

i sat in on law and classics

11:27

critical thought

11:28

i ocassionally mistook cell works for finance

11:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 103 @ 0.12577836 = 12.9552 BTC [-] {6}

11:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.14949999 = 0.7475 BTC [+] {2}

11:30

but i never lerned nothin like physics

11:31

its the biz

11:31

science of science

11:32

im too old to lurk into lectures now

11:34

but i do it anyway

11:34

i even out my hand up wuth mart arse answers every once in a while

11:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00074765 = 10.7288 BTC [+] {2}

11:35

i thought it was the science of math

11:35

!up diana_coman

11:35

physics?

11:36

yeah

11:36

it's all just applied math

11:36

its maths and phiolosphy in a special ball of yummy

11:36

the philosophy is a step removed, hidden within the math

11:36

yeah its visa vera too

11:37

its where math meets every other science

11:37

what kinda math do you do?

11:39

are you satoshi?

11:39

what i studied was the branch known as "pure mathematics", which is a bit more on the esoteric side and a bit less on the practical

11:40

practical in astro belive it or not

11:40

passing down the fundamentals so that others may rest easy that the math they use makes sense, if you will

11:41

!up Sweete__

11:41

thk:)

11:41

sure.

11:42

hi Sweete__

11:43

hi

11:44

whats with the __ ??

11:44

you a lowrider or something?

11:44

ok

11:44

or was sweete taken?

11:45

taken

11:45

L(

11:45

:(

11:45

lol

11:45

whats your story?

11:45

we're gonna hit 360 today it seems

11:45

long story

11:46

werea ll youngish here

11:46

and we're all here for the stories

11:46

;;google bitcoinity

11:46

0.337 USD/mBTC - Bitcoinity.org: <http://bitcoinity.org/markets>; Bitcoinity.org: <https://bitcoinity.org/>; Bitcoin prices - Bitcoinity.org: <http://bitcoinity.org/markets/mtgox/USD>

11:46

one short of leet.

11:47

diana_coman

I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader

11:47

i'm here for the focused dialogue

11:47

350 on stamp

11:48

yep, should go down in a min

11:48

bad wordchoice

11:48

yep

11:48

the wall will be eaten

11:49

sweet__ you daytrade btcusd and/or?

11:49

going down and eating ?

11:49

same

11:49

eat dem walls!

11:49

hehe

11:49

mircea_popescu: i wish

11:50

mornin' ben_vulpes

11:52

Ben Fox

11:52

;;ticker

11:52

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 349.92, Best ask: 350.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 351.9, 24 hour volume: 25157.95476558, 24 hour low: 325.79, 24 hour high: 351.9, 24 hour vwap: 336.206253808

11:52

I'm John Oak

11:54

better than woody allen...

11:55

better than deep throat

11:55

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 975 @ 0.00061997 = 0.6045 BTC [+] {3}

11:56

morning, vex, thickasthieves, mircea_popescu

11:56

tenny

11:56

ah that's a new one

11:56

what are you doing up so early?

11:56

so late

11:56

slash late

11:56

so out of your normal cycle

11:57

TomServo

ben_vulpes nubbins` just noticed you guys have notes waiting on other nicks

11:57

nothing important, i hope

11:57

speeling = improtant

11:58

;;notes nubbins

11:58

Sent 6 days, 23 hours, and 15 minutes ago: <DoctorBTC> Got the print. Nice!

11:58

;;notes benkay

11:58

Sent 3 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, and 25 minutes ago: <bitstein> I finally wrote the scammer article. http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/everyones-a-scammer/

11:58

everyone writes one

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 3.53046316 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 307 satoshi per share

12:01

♪

12:01

imagine

12:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7841 @ 0.0007459 = 5.8486 BTC [-]

12:03

Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.8348731 BTC. Current weight: 64,123.

12:03

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.12183110 BTC to 15`465 shares, 7254 satoshi per share

12:03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wESgcExetso philipino!

12:09

hey duffer

12:11

hey man

12:13

got any treasure for me?

12:13

i need a fucking mission

12:14

i wish man :(

12:16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8alNxLjCBJc

12:19

ha

12:20

Vexual: what do you do with yourself anyways?

12:21

i generally work in managerial positions

12:23

o.O

12:23

yeah don't ask coz i dunno

12:24

grave robbing, trading, all the fun stuff

12:25

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/08/spanish-nurse-says-she-has-no-idea-how-she-got-ebola-as-her-family-fights-for-their-dogs-life/

12:25

Spanish nurse with Ebola may have touched her face with a glove - The Washington Post

12:25

"It's not that the suits fail; it's that people fail when they take it off."

12:25

she may well ahve

12:25

no shit

12:25

you don't fuck about with ebola

12:26

its sad

12:26

the sadder thin is they aren't quarantining the people she met

12:27

you only get one chance to stop that shit

12:28

well they're gonna kill her dog, that's something

12:28

dead

12:28

obola must spread - orders from ebama.

12:28

already

12:29

lol youre typing like me ascii

12:32

whole crew is here

12:33

how long til you're dining on roo pete?

12:34

Vexual: 2 months :)

12:35

so now i'm not so sure which gavin is the real gavin on contravex...

12:35

wow, full price tickets

12:35

compare http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30333 and http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-29533

12:35

How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

12:35

How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

12:35

lol

12:36

diff

12:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00074526 = 39.2007 BTC [-] {2}

12:36

different fucking email addresses, different fucking website urls

12:37

im thinking of getting some stamps in my passport, asny suggestions?

12:37

somalia

12:38

really?

12:38

i hear it's a country

12:38

dont be a wank hole

12:39

i dont want to get on a terrorist list

12:40

depends what you want to do

12:40

cheeky fucker

12:40

want to join the global jihad?

12:40

if you float down the rio tambopata in peru they will give you a special stamp

12:40

i was thinkinking learning russian

12:40

Vexual what makes you think you aren't already?

12:40

there's a lodge run by a french lady about 3 hours out of puerto maldonado

12:40

oh i am

12:41

so

12:41

so dont tell me 2 months

12:41

it's not like they're going to write you name in pen now

12:41

fart you

12:41

;)

12:41

:)

12:42

vexual well what kinda places do you like?

12:42

i like spicy food

12:42

and crazy people

12:42

brazil?

12:42

or vodka

12:43

yeah they tend to sit if cafs and play monopoly

12:43

ive been there

12:43

word

12:43

visit mp

12:43

no ne is scary

12:44

and wed have nothing to talk about

12:44

lol

12:44

i havent read evry book

12:44

he'd be glad to explain them to you

12:46

spicy food + crazy people = jamaica

12:47

bankok is closer

12:48

sri lanka too

12:49

jamaica is al sluts i hear

12:49

"I have never owned much Bitcoin. I give away or spend what I buy. I am not a hoarder of Bitcoin. I don’t care about that aspect of Bitcoin, although many (most?) do. I care about it as programmable money."

12:49

oh sluts is good

12:49

http://avc.com/2014/10/bitcoin-price-and-promise/

12:49

Bitcoin – Price and Promise AVC

12:50

^fred wilson

12:51

never bin srilanka

12:52

me neither, nor do i even know anyone who has.

12:55

https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/519893536024829954

12:55

Compare http://t.co/0O9eSXI6c9 and http://t.co/SRrLv5suZH. Now will the real /gavinandresen please stand up? Lol comments need PGP sigs...

12:55

yes, fuck islam, i'll go to heaven with all the sluts

12:55

whos go with virgins anyway?

12:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20907 @ 0.00074361 = 15.5467 BTC [-] {2}

12:57

fred wilson, bullwhale

12:59

i mean, seriously, c'mon

13:00

indonesia

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i speak the lingo and they'll keep me sober

13:02

and theres a direct flight to moscow if i want a oroper city

13:04

Vexual: been to istanbul?

13:04

no

13:04

ive prolly flown over

13:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGF_0AcHaGs

13:05

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about wild boar ? << best dish i had in lithuania was wild boar. paired with pears!

13:06

sounds french

13:07

it was vilnian like a villain

13:08

indonesia wants dem free bitcoins http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=free%20bitcoin&date=1%2F2014%2012m&cmpt=q

13:08

Google Trends

13:08

bali got a fuckton from oldmate

13:09

well.75 of a ton

13:09

a reasonable fuck

13:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7593 @ 0.00074288 = 5.6407 BTC [-]

13:11

http://weev.livejournal.com/409913.html

13:11

weev: "Women in tech", doxing, Kathy Sierra, and the koolaid. #gamergate #adainitiative #histrionics

13:13

i still don't grok 'doxing'

13:13

how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ?

13:14

well you give a name and adress

13:14

documents, not dirt

13:15

it is what it is

13:15

oh you dont like it? me nmeither

13:16

'dox' broadly means making people vulnerable to democratic violence

13:16

anywy, imma see what jamaica is like

13:17

or somewhere else

13:17

asciilifeform: People like to imagine all pseudonyms are hard even though there's a difference on the scale of Dr. Seuss to Deep Throat

13:17

so i imagine there's an implication of incitement of lynch mob, not merely 'mr x lives on 123 fuckme street, ny.' etc ?

13:18

yes

13:18

as well as vulnerability to things like swatting

13:18

some corporations are also known to allow purchase orders with charge on delivery

13:19

Like pizza companis

13:19

dox can make it feasible to dump piles of e.g. office supplies

13:19

and then force that individual to engage in legal proceedings or whathaveyou

13:20

doxing someone can be devastating if they have assets.

13:21

all of this works solely because scarcely anyone pulls the trick.

13:21

as described in recent mircea_popescu post

13:21

the day is nigh.

13:23

!up X-Rob

13:23

X-Rob

Morning BingoBoingo

13:23

Morning Rob

13:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00074766 = 13.0467 BTC [+] {2}

13:36

http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30431

13:36

How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

13:36

^my reply to the other "gavin"

13:36

those duplicitous derps...

13:38

!up jacoblyles

13:39

asciilifeform how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ? << there's a lot you don't know.

13:39

;;google PW:RN

13:39

Anita Somplasky, RN CHTS-CP CHTS-PW | LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/anita-somplasky-rn-chts-cp-chts-pw/15/717/155>; Susan C. Benfield RN, BA CHTS-CP, CHTS-PW | LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/in/susancbenfield>; USGS Professional Pages - Paul Seelbach: <https://profile.usgs.gov/pseelbach>

13:40

there's this innate "fear", i suppose, among the primitive, illiterate hordes as to the magical power of names.

13:40

http://drugs.gawker.com/have-you-ever-been-too-high-to-lie-1643086212 << Too high to lie defense

13:40

Have You Ever Been Too High to Lie?

13:40

because that's how shamanic "thinking" works.

13:40

and since the result of libertard "education" is an unprecedented headcount of illiterate cattle all over the west...

13:40

;;google true names and other dangers

13:40

True Names...and Other Dangers: Vernor Vinge: 9780671653637 ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Names-Other-Dangers-Vernor-Vinge/dp/0671653636>; True Names - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Names>; True Names... and Other Dangers by Vernor Vinge — Reviews ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/321005.True_Names_and_Other_Dangers>

13:41

^ original turd on the subject

13:41

there you go. saying someone's name is a potentially dangerous, magical activity.

13:41

fucking natives, these people.

13:41

asciilifeform quite.

13:41

mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why. << better this way. both losses and profits are socialized unlike tbtf american cos.

13:42

pete_dushenski i was being very very facetious

13:42

lolk

13:43

o look, ed went to shit meanwhile. anyway, they had a decent article on this power word : real name thing, a decade ago

13:43

https://worldtracker.org/media/library/English%20Literature/V/Vinge,%20Vernor/Vernor%20Vinge%20-%20True%20Names.pdf

13:45

asciilifeform so in the end, it turns out you did know it, just, didn't realise how stupid the average derp is ?

13:46

'In the once upon a time days of the First Age of Magic, the prudent sorcerer regarded his own true name as his most valued possession but also the greatest threat to his continued good health, for -- the stories go -- once an enemy, even a weak unskilled enemy, learned the sorcerer's true name, then routine and widely known spells could destroy or enslave even the most powerful. As times passed, and we graduat

13:46

ed to the Age of Reason and thence to the first and second industrial revolutions, such notions were discredited. Now it seems that the Wheel has turned full circle (even if there never really was a First Age) and we are back to worrying about true names again...'

13:46

mircea_popescu: this requires special modes of thought - like reasoning about how small is electron, or how large - galaxy

13:47

except they're not modes of thought, they're modes of feeling.

13:47

anyone spending enough time daydreaming develops them

13:47

this in stark opposition with thought, where simply spending time doing addition does not automatically qualify one for analysis say

13:47

*

asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)

↖ ↖

13:48

that's two bit.

13:48

no, four.

13:48

ever had all 4 set?

13:48

can set any combo.

13:48

wait you can have them concurrent ?

13:48

sure.

13:48

how's slotful lust ?

13:48

you of all people should know

13:48

"if i could be bothered to stand up i'd bugger you" ?

13:49

that'd be just 'sloth' bit

13:49

isn;'t the sloth merely "if i could be bothered to stand up" ?

13:49

with just gate noise of 'lust'

13:49

aha

13:50

<+mircea_popescu> how's slotful lust ? <+asciilifeform> you of all people should know <<< my sides

13:50

"i'm too lazy to go out and pick something up so i'ma troll livejournal for gmaxwell's girlfriend" ?

13:50

shit my client automatically expands wikiwhale to gmaxwell's girlfriend ;/

13:51

<jurov> ever had all 4 set? << this'd be interesting.

13:53

speaking of all 4 sets, the mint sent me an email

13:53

1 sec

13:54

not available to public yet, gotta screenshot

13:55

http://i.imgur.com/iQWF6MQ.png

13:55

minted by -- no kidding -- the country of Niue

13:56

mircea_popescu: kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters << different is bad and not nice and trolling and mysogyracist! poor fucking kids...

13:56

nubbins`: neat

13:57

neat indeed. pretty fuckin costly for 1oz of silver in a plastic box tho

13:58

but… pnumanism!

13:58

http://i.imgur.com/v6m9yTy.png

13:59

actually lame as shit irl

14:00

kinda lame yeah.

14:00

pocket protectors included ?

14:01

right?

14:01

14:01

"cool coin, man"

14:02

"they really licensed the shit out of that logo"

14:02

ben_vulpes: everyone writes one << everyone with a blog and a brain.

14:04

"i still have no idea what y.all are talking about.

14:04

You do know that no matter how large the block, only the 80-byte block header is hashed?

14:04

If you are just trolling, then kudos, you got my attention for about three minutes."

14:05

How does the chief scientist not realize increasing block size increases burden on full nodes?

14:07

such comment, many vitriol

14:07

thestringpuller any satisfaction with usps?

14:12

mircea_popescu: coffee chat today - Igor (the baexpat forum owner) will be there. http://baexpats.org/topic/31648-coffee-chat-wed-8-oct-2014-4-7pm-barrio-norte/

14:12

Coffee Chat - Wed 8 Oct 2014, 4-7Pm (Barrio Norte) - Expat Events - Buenos Aires Expats Group

14:12

mircea_popescu: in case you want to confront him about bitcoin posts on the forum (that seemed to be filtered at one point)

14:13

thestringpuller: o gavin knows very well.

14:14

he's just playing it up for the crowd.

14:14

very much like a magician who distracts the crowd with a joke or a pretty lady while the trap door opens.

14:15

;;ticker

14:15

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 345.57, Best ask: 345.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 345.57, 24 hour volume: 26823.95596431, 24 hour low: 325.79, 24 hour high: 354.18, 24 hour vwap: 339.577546866

14:24

nubbins`: not yet I gotta go to the local office today once I feel like not being lazy and get some real clothes on.

14:25

!up go1111111

14:25

;;ident

14:25

Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.

14:25

!down thestringpuller

14:25

my sides

14:26

!up go1111111

14:27

thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule

14:27

go1111111: 50% a year is non-trivial

14:28

regarding CPU power, the ASICS that are doing the hashing are not the same resource that would add a transaction. a general CPU would be doing that, which would otherwise be sitting idle

14:28

mining isn't the issue

14:28

go1111111: I'm talking bandwidth

14:28

what specifically is the issue

14:28

it's the decentralization of full nodes

14:28

1TB hard drives not cheap enough for ya?

14:28

the higher bandwidth necessary to run a full node over time T will force the centralization of nodes

14:28

nubbins`: Keeping full nodes in sync

14:29

BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about

14:29

so then why up 50% a year and not leave the block size alone?

14:29

how about some hard numbers? what sort of bandwidth are you guys talking about?

14:29

if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given

14:29

<thestringpuller> if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given << This

14:30

nubbins`: Gavin hasn't proposed a hard number where he wants to start 50% annual increases from.

14:30

;;google average bandwidth in north america

14:30

Netflix Remains King of Bandwidth Usage, While YouTube Declines ...: <http://variety.com/2014/digital/news/netflix-youtube-bandwidth-usage-1201179643/>; Report: Average U.S. Broadband Prices Are Below World Average ...: <http://www.telecompetitor.com/report-average-u-s-broadband-prices-are-below-world-average-of-76-61/>; Measuring Broadband America - February 2013 | FCC.gov: (1 more message)

14:30

thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome

14:30

BingoBoingo: okay, so when people say "bandwidth is the thing to be concerned about", do they have numbers in mind or is just a wank?

14:31

go1111111: now you're off topic.

14:31

why am i asking you?

14:31

go1111111, doing 1 thing pretty good is plenty enough

14:31

go1111111: do you have numbers in mind or is it just a wank?

14:31

but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome // what is it with people always wanting the same thing to "do a lot more" ?

14:32

Apocalyptic it worked for bucky

14:32

thestringpuller: you're asking "why up 50% a year?". my reply directly addressed that. Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go, and it requires lots of transaction processing capability

14:32

so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc

14:33

you're just throwing random numbers together in a sentence

14:33

go1111111: you can do that without forcing centralization due to resource scarcity...

14:33

nobody's talking about average internet speed increasing by 50% a year

14:33

he's talking about block size going up 50% a year because of bandwidth "doubling" every year

14:33

nubbins`: It's an assumption Gavin takes into account

14:34

nubbins`: ^

14:34

okay, sure. seems like a fair assumption

14:34

i've been sitting on 50mbit for a couple years now

14:34

this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?

14:34

it is

14:34

US average bandwidth is 10Mbit

14:34

note that usa is not a first world country

14:34

OKAY

14:35

this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?

14:35

I'll give you that

14:35

how much bandwidth does a full node chew right now?

14:35

So you want to centralize all the full nodes to first world countries?

14:35

thestringpuller: you want to stop it?

14:35

o noes, somalia can't run a full node

14:36

thestringpuller: Bitcoin still could be extremely decentralized if full nodes were limited to 1st world countries

14:36

^

14:36

very possibly, but that still doesn't solve the issue of forcing more burden on the full nodes.

14:37

starting a full node as of now isn't trivial. ask BingoBoingo how long it took to start one from scratch as of this summer.

14:38

BingoBoingo, how long did it take you to start a node from scratch as of this summer?

14:38

most of the burden now is that it's very cumbersome, not that the resources required are expensive

14:38

that's a software issue

14:38

so to run a full node, you'd be expected to dick around with software a little bit and have a first-world internet connection

14:38

imagine, the horror

14:39

internet is pretty darn good most places, only place I ever had much of an issue the deserts of Egypt

14:40

so there goes that argument

14:40

why precisely are we whining about block size?

14:41

nubbins`, you're actually in favour of the increase ?

14:41

i'm almost certain if you increase the blocksize to great too soon, full nodes will drop off...

14:41

Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know.

14:41

just like when diff goes too high miners drop off

14:41

no, when diff goes high miners upgrade

14:41

not always!

14:42

children with mining hardware drop off

14:42

they are the first but not the last

14:42

why in the fuck would someone turn off their node over a block size increase?

14:43

it doesn't make sensr

14:43

because it consumes too many resources as is.

14:43

"my cpu, disk space, bandwidth are still orders of magnitude more than what this requires... better pull the plug over ideological reasons"

14:43

bullshit it does

14:43

for one it removes the upper linear bound on the storage space needed to store the whole chain

14:44

my full node runs on a computer circa 2004, it barely can chug.

14:44

lets take a look at top and see what bitcoind is consuming

14:44

oh wow 2 gigs of memory

14:44

so you're saying it's more like "I'm going to stop mining now because maybe in 10 years mining will be unprofitable, depending on the trajectory of computer resource costs"

14:45

mining = running a full node, i mean

14:45

nubbins`, the blocksize limit also incudes a lot of economic consequences regarding transactions and fees

14:47

go1111111: well. consider you are mining now at negative profit margins because diff is too high. You can upgrade and go further into the hole and hope to god you make your money back. Or you can cut your losses and move on with your life.

14:48

smaller blocksizes tend to increase the fee required to get in a block. lower fees seem preferable. the only case i can see where you wouldn't want smaller fees is when network security was based heavily on fees, but that won't be the case for a while

14:49

again if you want nice things you need to pay for them...

14:49

^

14:49

what is all this socialist shit..."free stuff I didn't work for"

14:50

"poor people should be able to run a node"

14:50

I never said that!

14:50

nobody did :D

14:50

the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. that's what nubbins and I have been arguing. the extra "niceness" you want is a trivial savings in abundant computer resources

14:51

maybe you need a computer that was built after 2004 if you want to run a node

14:51

it's not a lot to ask

14:51

It isn't. But when does it stop?

14:51

it doesn't

14:51

Then we need computers build specifically for full nodes?

14:51

eventually

14:51

Then only certain individuals can run full nodes?

14:51

already this is the case

14:52

For mining perhaps (capital expenditure) but not for full nodes, which is a more frightening scenario...

14:52

yes, for full nodes. do you have any idea how many people in the world don't have a "spare computer"?

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as of now you can run a full node on a raspberry pi with a 30 USD external storage medium

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and eventually you'll need a raspberry pi 2.0 with a 30 usd external storage medium that has 2x the capacity

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yes but if the block size increases too rapidly eventually only certain hardware can run it.

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so?

14:54

this forces centralization no?

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*

nubbins` groans

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:D

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thestringpuller: not if that special hardware is always below a certain cost threshold

14:55

"centralization", what does it mean? can you quantify it?

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"decentralization bad, centralization good"

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"analog bad, digital good... or was it the other way.."

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centralization = "full nodes controlled by single entities"

14:56

there needs to be a minimum, yes? an abacus is infeasible?

14:56

exactly.

14:56

so what's the minimum?

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a piece of shit computer you can find in a junkyard?

14:57

minimum in terms of nodes running is what I'm getting at.

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yeah, let's put the brakes on everything so you can help "contribute"

14:57

is a 1ghz pentium too much of a burden?

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XD

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you see what i'm saying? a couple years from now you'll buy an octo-core w/ 32gb ram for $500

14:58

running a full node on a fucking pentium 1ghz like an asshole

14:58

well you can scale nodes anyway

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maybe we should make it so a TI-83 can run a full node

14:59

ultimate decentralization, that must be automatically good, right?

14:59

nubbins`, you're perverting the argument

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"Seeing how the earlier discussion actually neglected to mention a perfectly valid alternative avenue to evaluate the idiocy of this proposal, consider that the main (really, in practical terms the only) vulnerability of Bitcoin at the moment is that while miners are rewarded for mining, relayers are not rewarded for relaying. This is a sore oversight on the part of Satoshi, privately admitted at that, and unfort

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USGavin's proposal consists of significantly increasing the burden on the full nodes, while doing nothing to address the actual problem threatening Bitcoin. This, of course, is not the direction a responsible head of a FOSS project steers things. It is however the exact direction a puppet of Microsoft tries to steer a standards discussion."

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whats with all this burden on full nodes

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such burden

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56 day running bitcoind/ Standalone / Max 500 connections

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RX: 56.5 GB TX 117.7

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load average: 0.30, 0.34, 0.33

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damn a gig a day?

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thestringpuller: tyvm, first thought-out argument i've read yet

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running on Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2640 v2 @ 2.00GHz x2 / 32 Cores

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nubbins`: that's mircea_popescu via qntra

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nubbins` A while, but on low power hardware

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nubbins`: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/

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Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork

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i use this as a "supernode" to p2p connect to the network, and use local nodes to scale

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the localnodes, hardly ever pop 0.03 on avg

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since the supernode will filter most of the junk

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why is the header of the website as ugly as possible?

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Naphex: interesting. do local nodes store the blockchain or access it via network?

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srsly, bright blue text on grey bg

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thestringpuller: they store it

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you guys and your normcore style

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they just don't p2p connect to the network and only connect to a master node

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for updates

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ah.

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so you point them directly to the supernode regardless of location?

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yes

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interesting model

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thestringpuller: there is a lot of wasted CPU Time

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on nodes processing junk

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double spends, dust, etc

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same here

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mthreat mmm where is it ?

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the supernode fillters all that out, and sends clean to slaves

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<pete_dushenski> he's just playing it up for the crowd. << that, pretty much. like any pundit/hired "tech support", he's got his talking points and he's going to talk the points.

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"please reboot your computer".

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thestringpuller: load avg on the slavenode would drop around 10x, so thats a lot

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<go1111111> thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule << increasing the block size is NOT a gain. it's a loss.

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Le Blé, at French 2999

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bitcoin is here to protect against inflation.

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mircea_popescu: ^

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blocksize is a scarce resource. increasing it is not helping, it's hindering.

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and engineering is NOT "about tradeoffs". politics is about tradeoff, and gavin has zero mandate or political authority

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engineering is about doing things, and gavin has a vanishingly small ability in that field, also.

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so : a poor engineer with political delusions.

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mthreat what time is this ?

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4-7pm

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i can't go myself.. but michelle's there and some others

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yeah, im not making it that early. wouldnt mind asking the guy a few q's but whatevs.

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<mircea_popescu> blocksize is a scarce resource. // and it should remain so, precisely

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A new Inital maximum block size such that a full node may be run by "somebody with a current, reasonably fast computer and Internet connection, running an up-to-date version of Bitcoin Core and willing to dedicate half their CPU power and bandwidth to Bitcoin."

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go1111111: the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. <<< and who told you this ?

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that *is* a bit of a burden for no reward aside from a fuzzy feeling, hey?

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nubbins`: storage is not that much of a problem as CPU Time

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Apocalyptic nubbins` no dude, because gonobody and usgavin have made decisions and tradeoffs dontchaknow.

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!up go1111111

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lots of CPUTime on bitcoind might force for standalone bitcoind servers

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half yr bandwidth too!

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i only care about CPUTime, everything else is really distant

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also, nobody is acutally running "bitcoin core"

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after the "let's fork bitcoin for fun" and the "let's put heardbleed in your software" disasters, you'd have to be insane to run anything coming from vessenes' merry band of scammers.

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what're the big pools running anyway, i wonder

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"up to date" indeed.

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!up mechtronic2001

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go1111111: BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about << you don't get to separate your better's concerns into genuine and less genuine, fuckface.

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mircea_popescu: so yeah, i haven't found anything even close to stable as bitcoind :)

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jesus the gall of these people.

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mircea_popescu: I don't see the usefulness if high fees, except as a means to secure the network. but fees will be a small portion of the reward to miners for a while. low fees enable transactions to occur that would otherwise be too costly, eliminating deadweight loss

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Naphex: Older patched Bitcoind?

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i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see.

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who told you your brain may arbiter in this matter ?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00074773 = 12.1506 BTC [+]

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mechtronic2001

Would this be a proper channel to post my btcjam funding page. It would be an investment, but I don't want to step on toes here.

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mechtronic2001 it'd be a pretty horrible place seeing how btcjam isn't too well regarded.

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!s btcjam

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80 results for 'btcjam' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=btcjam

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you're better served by going through the logs as relevant to your interest.

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<+mircea_popescu> i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see. << another contender for the b-a tagline :)

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2014#829294

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Logged on 15-09-2014 14:33:56; nubbins`: his btcjam profile has two "recommendations" from friends. the second one commences thus:

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mike_c no but really, "i don't see". let's all go to the hospital and start derping, "i don't see why i'd have to take my clothes off"

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because that's how everything works in this world, it's reddit out here.

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if there are good arguments for high fees i'm curious to be linked to them or hear them. possibly my preference for low fees is as dumb as you're claiming, but it'd be interesting to know why you think that

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yes, this is not kindergarten. unfortunately there still is no good bitcoin kindergarten.

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einstein never got the damned formula out because luce irigaray didn't see why he'd privilege the speed of light over other speeds that are so much more important to us. and so on.

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go1111111, dude it's not just about the fees

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go1111111 the arguments for a limited b lock size are the same as the arguments for a limited currency base.

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the blocksize limit is essentially tied to what bitcoin is, even if you can't see it

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amusinglky enough, the arguments against either are also the same.

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yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here

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to "something else" that's not really in any sense something else at all.

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<mircea_popescu> yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place // that's a recurring thought I have these days

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gavin wants to have a cryptousd he's welcome to make yet another shitcoin.

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he's not welcome to try and hijack a project he has essentialy nothing to do with into that swamp however.

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well they have ethereum for that

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Apocalyptic yeah but the problem with this crapolade is that it constantly needs to leech off hard currency to survive.

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The correct solution to limited blocksize is occasionally buying trashcans full of your local scrip as necessary

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ethereum is good for a few weeks, then need something else, same pretense.

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mircea, may well be... that's why the ultimate solution is: don't let them get their hands on it

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!s good cakes

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5 results for 'good cakes' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=good+cakes

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http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollar aha

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People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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for all i care, everyone's welcome to try any theory they wish and then starve on it. what's however not acceptable, not now, not ever, is fraud. passing scamcoins for actualcoins and trying to pretend like shitpie is "just as good as pie".

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go1111111: thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome << this is wrong on each and every level.

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level 1 : "many people" is not an argument, because a bunch of redditards are not actually different people. the headcount of all reddit is like, 5 people. that's not many and barely people.

15:27

can it also replace photo lens cleaner? cause i'm running a bit low.

15:27

how about garden mulch ?

15:27

discussions about reefed out derps about "global financial infrastructure" are nil and void. you don't even know what it is in th efirst place.

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the bad consequences of not having a limited currency base are clear (inflation). a larger block size won't lead to currency inflation, but blockchain inflation and some higher bandwidth requirements. That seems to have very different consequences.

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level 3 : it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin

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level 4 : gold in no way enters into any of it.

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go1111111 you think they're clear, because you understand very little of it.

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examine what you think is "clear" to get a grip of how little you in fact understand. wtf is "inflation" ? why's it bad ?

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inflation is great! more people get more money! what now ?

15:29

when folks say 'we want it like gold' - do they mean 'confiscatable', 'bulky', and 'largely traded as sham paper' ?

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asciilifeform generally, when people reference gold in relation to bitcoin it's simply a token to represent how they do not wish to engage into a discussion but would rather derp about some conveniently pre-prepared strawmen.

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;;lasers

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┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

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;;lasers

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┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

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mircea_popescu: i'm not arbitering shit

15:32

i run nodes

15:32

inflation is 'bad' if the thing that is inflating is something you're holding as a long term store of value. higher supply --> lower price per unit. "inflation" is used two ways: increasing the supply of the currency, and increasing price levels. i'm referring to the former

15:32

Naphex huh ?

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mircea_popescu: and most full nodes out right now except core are all shit

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Naphex: have you tried btcd?

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go1111111 yes, you say "is used" meaning "is used to denote". but the two different things it's used to denote aren't unrelated. they're just facets of the same phenomeno.

15:34

not implying they're not shit, but curious to know your opinion.

15:34

another facet is the havok inflation wreaks upon capital allocation and generally marketplace decisions.

15:35

Naphex functionality and security are widely disjunct topics.

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mircea_popescu: i agree, but security you can improve. but functionality will be harder

15:36

depends for whom :)

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aye :P

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look, most everyone i know is using some more or less modded 0.5 0.6 some brave souls read through all .7

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point is, nobody in his right mind would just go with the "up to date".

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because the troop has proven, multiple times, that they're not to be trusted. plenty of those are simple incompetence, but at least three or so can be well argued as malice.

15:37

any public stats on version popularity?

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nubbins` there's a downloads count on github, for what that's worth.

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(in my defense, i am not running any live nodes with wallets attached)

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not much

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nubbins` https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/dashboard/

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24-hour chart - Bitnodes

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by its nature this isn't something you'd know.

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see user agent ofc.

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which anyone can set to anything.

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and most nobody changes it.

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unl;ess they wish to not be pestered about uptading it

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they just update the ver.

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*

nubbins` raises eyebrow

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nah

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go1111111: Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go<< no, actually, gavin has finally figured that there's not really space in bitcoin for him, and he wants to move on. which is fine.

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but the derpage about taking bitcoin with him is ridoinculous.

15:42

let him do his whatever the hell it is and be happy, nobody cares.

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thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb.

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Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1RX73SK.txt )

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!b 4

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so one block will fit 100x as many tx, and each solved block will yield 50x less in subsidies. that's a 5k drop over 20 years. it's high enough to kill the price, and with it mining, and with all that bring bitcoin back within the financial ability of the us.

15:45

which is exactly the point of all this fucking derpage.

15:45

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2014#862720

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Logged on 07-10-2014 18:01:23; mircea_popescu: making it n-0, retroactively. THEY HAVE YET TO ACTUALLY SCORE ONCE!

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boys'd really love to make that 0 an 1 already.

15:46

and no, im not gonna think about the spooks. i couldn't give less of a shit that some single mom's ugly children are starving because her no fee half bitcent bitbet bet didn't get into any of sixty consecutive blocks.

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and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it.

15:47

this specifically requires avoiding the tarpit of trying to be yet another macdonals, helping along with welfare distribution.

15:47

we're not here to be friends. we're here to fuck over the entire system, permanently.

15:49

ben_vulpes: (>>> Naphex: have you tried btcd?) i have btcd running on a staging server. eats a bit more load but deffinetly not ready to run on production. I'm still grabbing metrics from it so time will tell

15:49

Boxes full of local cash. Only solution for using bitcoin in day to day transactions.

15:50

BingoBoingo but see, the question is : govt doesn't want to be a wholly owned subsidiary of bitcoin, and used as such, with its scrip a sort of ltc.

15:50

govt wants it the other way around, so why won't we be nice people and just make bitcoin a sort of replacement for sms payments already.

15:50

Maybe one month you only need a shoebox of Benjamins. Maybe another month you need a pallet of Woodrow Wilsons

15:50

they got the "global financial blabla" quite well pegged, they figure, why won't we just eat some crums ?

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nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it? << here's the problem : you went from cable to optic fibre to do that.

15:52

there's nothing after optic fiber.

15:52

Well the thing is we already have both things. Bitcoin for global finance and Altcoin for embarassing Gavincoin

15:52

sure, for as long as you're rubbing sticks together, things can increase massively. once you start running up against the limits of the universe however, that's that.

15:53

moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup

15:54

in short : just because your tits grew up 100% a week for half a year starting on your eleventh birthday doesn't mean jack. for one thing, the first cubic centimetre happened then.

15:54

imagining you'll keep doubling bra cup into your 30s is a little out there

15:54

and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay.

15:55

too much taking over of the "global financial blabla"

15:56

take everything back to zero

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then we can go back to one.

15:57

xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

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!up xiando

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nubbins`: Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know. ^ above should give you a good start.

15:58

in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup << copper phone net torn down. and where not torn down, scavengers are working. so no, not fiber, it'll be either nothing or dog-slow radio a la africa.

15:59

ebolaphone.

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asciilifeform satellite dial-up

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unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires

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'3g' gprs stack is actually very similar to classical dialup internally.

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it is yes

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jurov sure they are.

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jurov: tell that to american scavengers. they've even pulled up fiber! purely through a combo of retardation and 'shoot first, questions second'

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^

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in that case, AC wires/transformers will get missing first. bigger problem than just some phones

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currently on 80/8 cable. and fibre has quite a bit of headroom yet. though for for low-latency things they're back to LoS-microwave links.

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jurov> unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires << In my present metro area, when leaves my rural oasis for the city one finds all outdoor components of HVAC systems living in cages

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what's gprs anyway, like 50kb/s and 1 second latencies ?

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HVAC === phone wires ????

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could perhaps imagine the typical post-apocalyptic american human wilderness with the addition of heavily guarded microwave towers for the happy few

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jurov: It's copper and it already needs secured that way. Live electric wires also... disappear.

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64kbps, latency depends

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copper pipes routinely vanish from houses left unattended for some days, in a number of u.s. locales

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just as herr orlov predicted based on experience elsewhere

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bounce fibre possibly has a lot of headroom yet. but so did cable, originally. point is there's not going to be a qualitative jump like going from copper to glass.

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you completely missed my point, as susual. it's difference between 1mm and 0.1mm wires

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there's, hypothetically, 'more glass'

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the latter you can't simply burn off of the plasitc

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they tend to burn, too

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not that we know of, anyway.

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bounce but see, in 1960 we did know about optic fibre.

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<jurov> they tend to burn, too << Not if you make a smarter fire.

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jurov that is a good point

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but they'll steal the main trunks, not the last miles.

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these dudes who tear fibers dont know about smart fires :)

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and main trunk is two inch thich copper.

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main trunka aren't copper since 20 yrs ago

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*trunks

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Well... in the future it won't always be the dumb ones stealing

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that'd depend lots.

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mircea_popescu: o heya cazalla. how was the lass ? <<< no time for that, to sydney and back again in 2 days

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cazalla so are you back in the seat now ?

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yup

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!up justusranvier

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anyway. in eastern europe/russia, phones and electricity did mostly work. heating and plumbing went away first.

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copper has come a long way since then too. but anyway, if the argument was that there's some cap on the achievable max bandwidth... probably. whether we'll hit it in our lifetime and/or the end of the current civilisation? no idea.

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in roimania it was the railroad signals and then the phones. nobody stole plumbing.

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heating uh... what, steal gas pipe ? never happened

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coal.

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jurov: People here don't usually bother heat... They bother cooling though

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modern gas pipes are all plastic anyhow

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primorye case, etc

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bounce no, the point was that there's no good reason to believe doubling each year for 20 years is something to engineer against.

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Also thing that goes missing occasionally.... Aluminum park benches and bleachers.

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well, it'd exclude anyone who couldn't keep up

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obligatory:

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http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/02/book-excerpt-wrong-math.html

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ClubOrlov: Book Excerpt: The wrong math

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bounce not the point of excluding, the point is of engineering.

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effects aren't the consideration here. the cause is the consideration.

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what, it's not about the politics for once?

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im not aware it was about the politics, other than to reject unwarranted politics ploys.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13431 @ 0.00074467 = 10.0017 BTC [-]

16:10

telling some derp derping about "what we should do" there's no we and nobody elected him is not politics, but the contrary thereof.

16:10

http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/10/06#l1412554998 << Gentoo Bitcoin port apparently uses Luke-Jr patches by default

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BitcoinStats

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BingoBoingo anything good ?

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mircea_popescu: A bit of drama in the convo. Haven't finished it myself.

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anyway. can anyone explain to me how am i a part of "a sum total of the global financial infrastructure"?

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BingoBoingo: it's been quite some years since one could safely rely on gentoo defaults.

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a neat little cog waving his convenient plastic around?

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fluffypony: such burden << if not paid for, even a cent's worth can kill.

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jurov mebbe you read an inclusive statement backwards ?

16:13

not all statements can be read backwards safely.

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asciilifeform: I'd assume Gentoo users are of that school, but I dunno that Gentoo is luser proof yet.

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it can;t be heh, isn't gentoo the offical hipster distro atm ?

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it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin << this meand you and who else then?

16:14

wtf is a hipster distro

16:14

asciilifeform the distro that makes you cool by using it.

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(gentoo out of the box, as found now, is atrocious. i'm having face rubbed in this as we speak.)

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jurov vexual.

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but there is no replacement for it

16:14

jurov: You run the only financial brokerage of note

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me too, i'm collecting bitcoins from bad traders

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lol

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short of 'roll own everything, have team of artisans on retainer, 1000 man hours to start'

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perhaps interesting to see how people got started in the gene sequencing biz, and over a couple decades have seen sequencing speeds and capacity shoot up not quite to the moon, but close.

16:15

asciilifeform since you're doing all this, make a loper's gentoo put wrapper on blog ?

16:15

worked well enough there. I'd agree that banking on a similar thing happening in last mile connectivity is maybe a little optimistic.

16:15

bounce again, this is a discussion of very prepubescent titgrowth.

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mircea_popescu: most of the struggle revolves around a particular set of hardware, won't be of much interest to other people

16:15

thanks BingoBoingo, but how comes I have to run derpy casino to make ends meet?

16:15

telephone infrastructure has been a thing for > a century.

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casino is derpy?

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you are also collecting bitcoins from bad traders

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coinbr mostly dried up this year

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(anyone who uses gentoo, see recent logs for systemd exorcism notes)

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bounce here's some saner math : first telegraphed message was in 1844. the bw today, 170 years later, is 10mn times wider. (ie, taking that 10mbps).

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it never really had to perform outside voice band up until very recently, though

16:17

;;calc 10000000 ** (1/170)

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1.09945249861

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10% a year. how about that.

16:17

bounce telegraph, baby. no voice is being discussed.

16:17

thickasthieves not even a casino, dice game

16:17

it took 170 years to go from 1 baud to 10mn baud.

16:18

who had 1 baud at home 170y ago ?

16:18

morse?

16:18

everyone living next to morse lol

16:19

anyway, if you were to propose over the next 170 years it increases 10 million fold again, i would take 50-50 odds against.

16:19

;;calc 1.5 ** 170

16:19

862013444619732718146971238400

16:19

gimme a break.

16:19

jurov, ok, maybe all mp meant by being the financial center is that HE is the center, and since we orbit around him, we aren't careening into the abyss

16:19

amiright?

16:19

thickasthieves nah

16:22

want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks.

16:23

(hey, you said - bandwidth. not latency.)

16:23

dronedisks

16:23

blockchain bombardment

16:23

'c' is ultimate limit for latency, anyway, sans martian physics

16:23

;;calc 10000000 * (1.09945249861 ** 170)

16:23

1.00000000024e+14

16:24

asciilifeform> want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks. << Stationwagon and tape may still be king

16:25

wagon in catapult, sure.

16:25

bounce 100tb ? nuts, but perhaps THIS side of nuts.

16:25

in 170 years? doesn't sound unreasonable, provided we keep up the pace.

16:26

right.

16:26

but it doesn't sound useful. 8k HD cat videos is silly already now.

16:26

EXACTLY.

16:26

which is a major fucking point that got neglected so far. there's this seinfeld where george tries to sell computers

16:26

"hey, it's got porn"

16:27

by now the limit on porn is that nobody can be fucking bothered to make the sluts look good in 8k hd.

16:27

so what's going to push your dubling each year ? faeries ?

16:27

in 1990 i could see it, we wanted to see samantha fox naked in color, rather than black/white ascii art.

16:27

3d rendered pr0n

16:28

well, there's the thing. the phone system didn't really improve substantially until someone found a reason to repurpose that last mile for DSL. even if that DSL now mostly carries crap better carried some other way, or not at all.

16:28

bounce yes, but see, just like light in glass is a limit of the universe, that's relevant,

16:28

"full image of the human person" is also a limit, in fact. quite biological.

16:28

there substantially isn't something as interesting to people.

16:29

uncompressed hi-res n-dim medical imaging is a good, morally upstanding way to stuff the pipe. even if it's a bit of a niche now.

16:29

now this is a very distant, removed argument. but that doesn't entirely destroy it. sure, it's useless in a 5 year discussion.,

16:29

i just referred to "to make sluts look good"

16:29

jurov :p

16:30

bounce maybe. again, im not saying "no" or "never" here. i'm trying to do some actual reasoning on evaluating patently insane claims sprouted by gavin.

16:31

oh I haven't really kept up with that. maybe I should read up. but the point in the very general sense is that we don't know yet how we're going to waste tomorrow's bandwidth. you know, like youtube is quite a thing these days, but only can exist because availability of >>dialup bandwidths

16:32

last i heard youtube traffix was waning, but be that as it may,

16:32

so it's maybe a bit early to decide there won't be bandwidth because there won't be drive. may be. maybe not. it's not a given either way.

16:32

"bandwidth will double each year for 20 years because it has in a very rare circumstance the past 10" is not unlike the way people try to sell "global warming"

16:32

it's in fact exactly recycled golfclub pattern talk, which is exactly how the independent observer knows this is not merely gavin derping,

16:33

but in fact gavin executing usg agenda. those twerps have few ideas and they keep redressing them everywhere.

16:33

could be, but it boomed for a goodly bit, because it could. netflix took over torrent in biggest traffic (oh woe is the mafiaa and their pr-war), and so on.

16:33

mircea_popescu: That -dev conversation has some interesting derping lower down with luke and Gavin agreeing

16:33

i see some conflation of technical and economical arguments

16:33

bounce sure. but by now it takes two minutes to dld a film and 120 to watch it

16:33

what is going to HALF it to a minute ? by next year ?

16:34

we want for bitcoin to have limited supply, not just amount but also blockchain space

16:34

*

bounce doesn't see that happen in a bit. just like the peecee business is in a bit of a slump, because, well, there's only so much cpu power reasonably wastable on eyecandy.

16:34

jurov not quite. i dun want jack shit. but when presented with an argument to

16:34

ACT, i wil consider it.

16:34

and this one fails on a number of grounds

16:35

so... it's not happening.

16:35

though as time went on I find myself watching less and less video. curious how that works, or doesn't.

16:36

cuz who the fuck has the time for video.

16:36

I uh

16:36

uh

16:36

http://vimeo.com/107435702

16:36

Lesley the Pony Has an A+ Day! on Vimeo

16:36

I have no words

16:36

lol

16:36

it's beautiful

16:36

*

bounce recalls someone complaining about kids wasting massive amounts of bandwidth on youtube music videos just for the audio; the browser window with the player is kept in the background

16:36

skinnkavaj agrees with Gavin on scalability, that dooms it.

16:37

is that the guy that was arguing with assbot ?

16:37

what, he's a core ranger now too ?

16:37

this is a weird way to follow an argument. is there a log of -dev somewhere?

16:37

mircea_popescu: One of them. I dunno if he is a ranger, but he lurks a lot of places and interupts

16:37

bounce: bitcoinstats.com

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bounce http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/

16:37

BitcoinStats

16:39

http://pastebin.com/vy9PQGqm

16:39

07:09 wumpus Luke-Jr: YOU BROKE github-merge.sh 07:09 wumpus I guess I shou - Pastebin.com

16:40

and for the kids following at home : http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7800000/SAM-4-samantha-fox-7878744-363-500.jpg << this is samantha fox. for a year or two she was probably the most jacked off to woman in teh world.

16:41

ninjashogun Let's design an ATM card that is a Bitcoin wallet. Who is up to the task with me. Ideas? Thoughts? Purpose: so that dumb users can just "get a card" rather than have to learn how to set up a complicated node on a p2p network. They already use ATM cards. So, this is a form factor thing. << The people who hop on -dev so srs

16:42

BingoBoingo jesus i pity the sane people there.

16:42

Azelphur

just had an amazing offer courtesy of EA https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=91dcb0ad261c2801ce58e33974e57a4a

16:42

AMAZING COMPANY!

16:42

ownCloud

16:42

Azelphur going to be a game dev ?

16:43

Azelphur

mircea_popescu: no, and if I was I think I'd rather shoot myself than work for EA :P

16:43

mircea_popescu: Who knew we'd all be appreciating assbot's !up !down so much nao

16:44

yeah it grows on one

16:48

http://www.tipiti.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/1972.-Lena-S%C3%B6derberg-p1047.jpg

16:50

punkman butt approved!

16:52

http://www.famousboard.com/threads/6563-Lenna-Sj%C3%B6%C3%B6blom

16:52

Lenna Sjblom nude pics @ FamousBoard

16:52

quite famous

16:52

first lady of teh internets neh ?

16:52

she's got my vote

16:55

!s vultr

16:55

0 results for 'vultr' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=vultr

16:56

nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style << do elaborate!

16:57

wow shit there's an actual word to describe the sheer ugliness of tshirts and chinos as worn by the modern western plebs ?!

16:59

GET /gow//.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\etc/passwd << does this shit actually still work on anyone?

17:00

nope.

17:00

and i mean, so he gets passwd. so ?

17:00

what is he going to do with it ?

17:00

who knows. but A for effort, 3000 requests in a minute.

17:01

http://trilema.com/2012/o-hai-i-was-justing-doing-a-penetration-test-of-your-site/ more in the same style.

17:01

O hai. I was justing doing a penetration test of your site. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:03

Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/

17:03

really? i thought we were going back to moon now.

17:03

an actual word to describe the sheer ugliness of tshirts and chinos as worn by the modern western plebs >> neal stephenson's 'slines'

17:04

mike_c: I thought we never really hit the moon yet, just low earth orbit.

17:04

last i heard we had hit moon and were aiming for mars. but i don't keep track.

17:04

wasn't it the dog that went to moon ?

17:05

anything but earth please.

17:05

http://bitnewt.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Bitcoin-Moon-Flag.gif

17:07

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/private-tour-cias-incredible-museum-180952738/?no-ist

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A Private Tour of the CIA's Incredible Museum | History | Smithsonian

17:08

Comment on a site that links to gallery of things to be paranoid about "

17:08

Follow festivusazili

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Share to Kinja

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Share to Facebook

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Go to permalink

17:08

That story about the silenced handgun is ridiculous. Even modern suppressors leave gunshots well over 100 dB range. Nice to know that our spymasters even insist on lying to themselves." Forgets .22lr is a thing

17:11

BingoBoingo: СП-4

17:18

asciilifeform: Well... Always room for improvement

17:21

'Murica has obola again http://dfw.cbslocal.com/?lead=frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms

17:21

Ebola Scare Sends Dallas County Sheriff’s Deputy To Hospital « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

17:23

The20YearIRCloud

oh joy

17:25

w/dinwo 21

17:26

Basically texas needs quarantined nao

17:27

Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,937.

17:27

The20YearIRCloud

texas has more health problems from illegals coming over the boarder than it does with ebola (all healthwise)

17:27

Nah.

17:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8219 @ 0.00074336 = 6.1097 BTC [-]

17:28

I imagine within the decade Mexico will be more concerned about illegals coming from the US than the other way.

17:29

The20YearIRCloud depends how bad it gets.

17:29

I have a gut feeling that the big reason more US'ians don't follow through with their going to Canada threats is that Canada is too close to what they are leaving. That and Canada doesn't really want them.

17:29

from the looks of it they've got maybe even odds to lose control and end up with an epidemic

17:29

if the mortality is 20% from the disease and another 10% from the resulting stampede that's about 100mn deaths in the us by 2016.

17:31

do i hafta stop licking eyeballs?

17:31

and the flights carry on.

17:31

ebama, obola.

17:32

official excuse is, get this, 'you can't get infected on the plane, we check for fever getting off'

17:32

if chewbacca lives on endor you must acquit.

17:33

asciilifeform there is some merit to this. apparently it's not infectious presymptomatically.

17:33

sure.

17:33

you better lose yourself in the pandemic \ you own it, you better never let it go \ you only get one shot do not miss your chance to blow

17:33

n ow on the other hand, who gives a shit about west africa flights...

17:33

yes.

17:33

ebama does.

17:33

i don't get this. you telling me it's specifically because obama is a kenyan citizen ?

17:33

gotta bring in more, you see, texas seed might die out.

17:33

kenya is not even on the list ?

17:33

eh get out.

17:34

nah, it's because this is a golden chance for usg.

17:34

or at least, someone seems to think so

17:34

to... what ?

17:34

that whole patenting thing?

17:34

to remain relevant a little longer.

17:34

but seriously when exactly do you cross the line to being infections? the exact second you show a fever? the first time you cough? of just maybe its actually 5 minutes before ...

17:34

and to desaparecer certain inconveniences in the chaos.

17:34

get out, no govenrment in history survived a large pandemic

17:34

nor could it.

17:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00074435 = 14.7381 BTC [+] {2}

17:35

chetty apparently it's well after fever.

17:35

chetty: when exactly do you cross the line << from a sane (e.g. soviet) epidemiologist's point of view - when you set foot in a 'hot zone' - you're infectious until proven innocent.

17:35

there's good biological reason for this

17:35

New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/boost-vc-and-zapchain-team-up-to-create-the-bitcoin-course/

17:35

New blog post: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/get-your-bitcoin-news-widget/

17:35

me dont believe thay actually know for sure

17:35

chetty: No one knows where the line is, may vary in different situations

17:36

chetty this is roughly like the "can't get aids from mosquitoes/bugs

17:36

generally, broadly speaking you don't.

17:36

then again...

17:36

ottomans survived regular decimations in constantinople, according to "The Sultans"

17:36

asciilifeform, I like that definition

17:36

ben_vulpes which specifically ?

17:36

is there acutally more cases of obola or are yall watching fox again

17:36

which ottomans?

17:36

dub the sherrif apparently is suspcious

17:36

ben_vulpes which epidemic

17:37

"plague"

17:37

WHICH lol

17:37

dub: they're ddosing the public with 'yet another 134 false alarms in city X!'

17:37

it was a passing note, take it up with Barber!

17:37

like, what year.

17:37

dub, they took another one into isolation to 'test'

17:37

dunno boss.

17:38

dub: when folks start to burst in shopping malls into bloody mess, they won't be able to keep a lid on it. and they know it. so what can they do? cultivate an atmosphere of bullshit, so the news will be met with maximal skepticism.

17:38

like the 1812/13 ? or prior ?

17:38

these folks are pro at exactly one thing: keeping the cattle from stampede.

17:38

asciilifeform: The scariest zombies are always the kind that die. I've never much feared undeath.

17:38

I don't think they even need actual disease now, the fear may be enough

17:38

asciilifeform i wouldn't credit them with that.

17:38

it's the cattle.

17:40

on the not shutting down flights, whats wrong with those pilots and aircrews, they can and should shut it down

17:40

chetty: they want to eat.

17:40

mircea_popescu: Most cattle here lack the cardiovascular endurance to really... Stampede... McDonalds et al

17:40

;;google Cocoliztli

17:40

Megadrought and Megadeath in 16th Century Mexico: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2730237/>; Cocoliztli - Evidence Detail :: US History: <http://www.dhr.history.vt.edu/modules/us/mod01_pop/evidence_detail_11.html>; Cocoliztli or Cocolitzli? - Indigenous Hemorrhagic Fever and The ...: <http://earthmatrix.com/linguistic/cocoliztli.html>

17:40

teh mexicans had an ebola-ish thing at some point.

17:41

<asciilifeform> chetty: they want to eat.// helps to be alive to do that

17:41

mircea_popescu: Hanta, still endemic to the America southwest. Goes through dormant, emergent cycles

17:42

BingoBoingo, thats a point, with all the drought that should have broken out, haven't seen anything about it

17:42

!up Quinn_

17:42

Basically North America can not have an edible mouse like Slovenia can.

17:43

they eat the squirels. same deal.

17:43

mircea, i was told you wanted to talk to me?

17:43

Hanta is apparently a creature of the desert.

17:43

this is possible. who are you ?

17:43

I created the bitcoin users in a nutshell cartoon.

17:43

o hey.

17:43

dja wanna make some bitcoin-assets cartoons ?

17:44

mircea_popescu: prior, iirc. the context of the remark was that the sultan (subject of the chapter) began to address the plagues that had routinely decimated the capital with european medical techniques. this was, iirc, one of the last three to rule before the sultanate was brought to an end by the young turks et al.

17:44

chetty: in usa we fear unemployment literally more than bloody death of obola.

17:45

does your own statement resolve your objection ben_vulpes ? :)

17:45

Depends on the content, i have a site which is better to contact me through. www.zenithquinn.com/#!commissions/c171x

17:45

o ya :D

17:45

Quinn_ how does it depend on the content ?

17:45

though the causal relationship is a little murky to me

17:45

ben_vulpes merely correlation was proposed.

17:45

well I don't know what type of cartoons you want, so i can't tell you if i can agree to it or not.

17:46

but i'm preselected, i already seen the cartoon you made, so we're going with that type.

17:46

But do you have a script /idea?

17:46

``The Mexican natives in the encomienda system were treated as virtual slaves, were poorly fed and clothed, and were greatly overworked as farm and mine laborers. This harsh treatment appears to have left them particularly vulnerable to epidemic disease.'' -- worked to death, illness finished it

17:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7897 @ 0.00074732 = 5.9016 BTC [+]

17:47

Quinn_ no, not yet. but if you're amenable to work on one i think we can probably come up with something.

17:47

bounce i wouldn't credit post-libtard revolution descriptions of history.

17:48

i mean sure, it all fits neatly, "prior to the soviet state and everywhere outside of it kids had it rough and didn't even get any icecream"

17:48

still...

17:49

that's not-invented-here.gov, dunno about their political or historic revisionism inclinations

17:49

Contact me through my site and we can discuss this further! :)

17:49

i'm not going to.

17:49

that's the point, actually.

17:49

you can contact me through here and we can discuss it further.

17:50

I don't arrange commissioned work through irc chats, not very trustworthy.

17:50

Quinn_ how long does it take you to make one of these ? could you in principle bang out one a week if scripts were availabe ?

17:50

it'd work nicely as a weekly featured video for qntra

17:51

The amount of work and time dedicated all depends on price. e.g a $300 video that's 30 seconds long will take a week.

17:51

hm, irc chats are actually the pinnacle of trustworthy, you just don't know about how it all works yet.

17:51

so how long did this video in question take you ?

17:52

I did it in my spare time between commissions, since it wasn't a source of income so around 3 months

17:52

and I know nothing about you, a quick google search doesn't reveal anything either

17:53

ah so it's very work intensive huh.

17:53

other than one article citing you as a romanian billionaire which doesn't exactly sound in any way legit.

17:53

maybe your google isn't so good ?

17:53

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/ for instance

17:53

Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on' The Register

17:53

not entirely legit. should be "ex-pat romanian".

17:55

Quinn_: At the time he was provably a Billionaire. Now He's mysteriously maybe so. Bitcoin be volatile.

17:55

how does it not sound in any way legit ?!

17:55

He's at least a plural hundreds of Millionaire though, provably.

17:55

bitcoin created what, 50bn worth of value out of the ether. didja think it all went into the usg budget or something ?

17:56

Not to seem rude, but there;s hundreds or people who claim to be bitcoin millionaires on reddit and such.

17:56

well, sure.

17:56

nobody is claiming reddit is legit.

17:57

;;ident mircea_popescu

17:57

Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None

17:57

this is an interesting point tho. i guess for the vast majority of the public, bitcoin is this "cool tech", nobody stops to think bitcoin is actually a bunch of saudi princes.

17:59

mircea didn't you create a porn site under a false name and stolen content?

17:59

nope.

17:59

i was a producer for a bunch shots, but that was back in the 90s.

18:00

mircea_popescu: how's slotful lust ? asciilifeform: you of all people should know << ahahaha, this convo....

18:00

http://i.imgur.com/MCRKSsq.gif :D

18:01

Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! Seeya!

18:01

cheers.

18:01

who the fucke is tapeke

18:01

asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/onmJiHN.gif << am i putting this in the next s.nsa report ?

18:02

"‎

18:02

Tapeke is the first personal finance application specifically designed for Bitcoin. We help Bitcoiners to keep track of their Bitcoin expenses and incomes and ..." << you couldn't possibly mean that ?!

18:02

lol

18:03

Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! << blockchain is trustworthy nao?

18:03

anyway, the sad part here is that 15k youtube views took $300 * 3 * 4.2 = 3800 dollars' worth of this guy's time.

18:03

which is fucking scary.

18:04

his time must be worth more given he just turned down a weekly video job.

18:04

mike_c i don't think he was proceeding very calculatedly tbh.

18:04

mike_c: I dunno. It's all about the burn rate.

18:06

BingoBoingo: you're all over my homepage (again) http://www.btcalpha.com/

18:06

Btc Alpha - Analysis tools for bitcoin finance.

18:06

Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 49(Y):51(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,832.

18:06

speaking of which, mike_c dja feel like doing some writing for qrta ?

18:07

mike_c: Cool

18:07

my once-a-month pace already strains my time for writing. i don't think i'm the right fit for a newsroom.

18:07

mircea_popescu: lol!

18:07

kk

18:09

;;ticker

18:09

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 353.67, Best ask: 353.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 353.67, 24 hour volume: 27768.82024727, 24 hour low: 326.93, 24 hour high: 355.0, 24 hour vwap: 342.040137856

18:09

chugging along

18:09

there was this woman around looking for work who was a writer, but i think she disappeared.

18:10

work is apparently hard.

18:10

;;seen wyrdmantis

18:10

wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <wyrdmantis> Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?

18:10

so much shit on people's eyes getting in the way of their finding a loaf of bread

18:11

!up SweeteDad

18:12

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#863189 < PFT! > http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#865319

18:12

Logged on 08-10-2014 03:44:52; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading. << bwahahaha WAY AHEAD

18:12

Logged on 08-10-2014 22:01:06; Quinn_: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! Seeya!

18:13

;;gettrust tapeke

18:13

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mike_c to user tapeke: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mike_c&dest=tapeke | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tapeke | Rated since: never

18:13

kakobrekla you don't understand how the world works.

18:13

bignum is mininum.

18:14

trust is a feeling! investing is a +ev activity for the amateur, just like people make a profit growing tomatoes on their windowsil. sticks and stones could break your bones but words is what really matters. etc.

18:15

my dad has lung cancer

18:15

beat pancreatic

18:15

got lung

18:15

2 years

18:15

and i have been stuck in the chapel perilous in some schizoaffective bullshit for 8 days unable to leave the house or bed

18:15

so i think that deserves a negative assbot rating

18:15

i'm too crazy to live

18:15

farewell

18:15

xanthyos: Sucks.

18:16

xanthyos this too shall pass eh.

18:16

maybe danielpbarron is right when he says i'm brain damaged and i can't trust my own judgment

18:16

i'm better off dead

18:16

i might buy a bottle of vodka and walk into the woods

18:16

wouldja simmer down ?

18:16

nonsense

18:17

i never heard of any man's post pancreatic lung cancer giving their offspring braindamage

18:17

vodka and the woods sounds like a fun way to get a hangover.

18:17

x<xanthyos> maybe danielpbarron is right when he says i'm brain damaged and i can't trust my own judgment < its good you figured this before buying a bottle of vodka and walking into the woods. just listen to us.

18:17

and that without even considering the part where you were born before he got it.

18:18

<xanthyos> i'm too crazy to live << No such thing.

18:19

A LIFE WITHOUT SUFFERING

18:19

i haven't had a girlfriend since 2004

18:19

how about steve irvin, BingoBoingo ? that dude was too crazy to live.

18:19

xanthyos why not ?

18:19

because i'm too afraid if i got a girlfriend i'd just end up BEATING her like the last one

18:19

how's that for honest?

18:19

uh

18:19

so get one that likes it.

18:19

i dont' like to do it

18:19

mircea_popescu: No, he was too stupid and the stingray too wily

18:19

ti's not a sadomasochistic thing

18:20

well work with me here eh.

18:20

it's impulse control

18:20

get a gf that could hit you right back, and will if you mope

18:20

so go see a shrink?

18:20

yeah, basically, eiother bounce or my solution works.

18:20

have one, but missed my most recent appointment due to anxiety

18:20

plenty help with all sorts of things. good of you to know where (some of) your weaknesses are. doing something about it is the next step.

18:20

it's not "impulse control", once she hands you your ass twice a week for a month

18:21

and of course, it's always darkest right before dawn.

18:21

get someone to help you with motivating and taking care of yourself to do what you need to do

18:21

honestly i'd rather go to some full contact sport thing than a shrink if the problem is violence.

18:21

maybe in addition to the shrink

18:22

xanthyos: one of my closest friends has schizoaffective disorder. there was a point when he was having tons of episodes everyday that he couldn't really leave the house. But he's doing better now because better treatment is out. Just stick with it mang.

18:22

close in-person friends >> self-"medication"

18:22

the ocd and borderline personality disorder are the truly disabling things

18:22

i can deal with being schizo

18:22

wha do you do for a living anyway ?

18:22

those symptoms are mild

18:22

in 2001 i was diagnosed "gravely disabled" and have been receiving social security since

18:22

being a test subject

18:23

o.O

18:23

i'm one of the entitled socialist dregs that bitcoin is going to weed out

18:23

lmao how do you make it in here without wanting to bash people's heads in ?

18:23

and i'm fine with it

18:23

not if you buy bitcoin with your SS check

18:23

heh

18:24

xanthyos http://thewhet.net/2012/this-is-it/ << written for pretty much where you are.

18:24

This is it | The Whet

18:24

hanbot wait, you got schizopersonalify disorder and ocde/whatever too ?

18:25

nope

18:25

btw, im kinda surprised none of the evil-overgovernment conspiracy theorists have identified the oecd as the mechanism.

18:25

it seems rather obvious.

18:26

there's more ways and reasons to feel hopelessly inadequate and unfit for life

18:26

shit, every version of the DSM has MORE reasons

18:26

i don't put too much stock in the whole dsm classification stuffs.

18:26

V got a little out of hand, making it less than useful

18:27

bounce or less than useless, as the case may be

18:27

i just don't want to spend hours a week comparing the lengths of my fingernails anymore.

18:27

it's not profitable

18:27

worse than. possibly quite a lot worse, depending on how much of a party the insurers are going to throw with it

18:28

xanthyos so do something useful then.

18:28

so get out and do something. maybe some moderately physically demanding job

18:28

why moderately ?

18:28

gotta start somewhere.

18:29

lol you mean, first time, single nail ?

18:29

i think i mentioned pot before, but it doesnt suit you

18:29

more like something that'll get you nice and tired for a good night's sleep but not something that's so demanding it's easy to give up on

18:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00074747 = 10.3151 BTC [+] {2}

18:30

a fam member uses it for his psych issues, along with some meds

18:30

hanbot great post btw.

18:30

he's obsessed with making a home recording studio currently

18:30

ty kindly mircea_popescu

18:31

thickasthieves i knew a guy who basically had a soundstage, because he wanted to record all his fucking sessions, which he then catalogued and manically preserved for old age.

18:31

died before being 40.

18:31

it's an endless hobby to obsess on

18:31

b

18:31

very antisocial too

18:32

Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,764.

18:32

the socials become rockstars and die at 27 from an overdosis

18:32

Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.2409 BTC. Current weight: 94,322.

18:33

check it out, that's a choke ain't it. 2 on >200 1 on < 600

18:36

hanbot: s/treacle/trickle/ ?

18:38

bounce treacle, sugar refining byproduct. a brownish, sickly-sweet gunk. perhaps a little awkward in there ::shrugs::

18:38

o.O

18:38

alright, if that's how you wanted it.

18:47

;;rate xanthyos 4 face-to-face associate; 10+ year relationship; https://twitter.com/xanthyos

18:47

Tweets met antwoorden van xanthyos (@xanthyos) | Twitter

18:47

Rating entry successful. Your rating for user xanthyos has changed from -3 to 4.

18:49

cute toys: http://www.dolphinics.com/products/

18:49

Dolphin Express IX products - Low latency

18:49

danielpbarron you know that feed is protected

18:49

ya, so?

18:50

protection against the uncool people

18:50

The US really should start selling ketamine like aspirin

18:50

i think you need to be in his L1 to get access :p

18:55

;;bc,stats

18:55

18:58

bounce: Dolphin Express << very neat. but golden toilet.

18:58

oh?

18:58

'if you have to ask price, you can't afford this'

18:59

there's that. sort-of implied by the high finance and military as proposed applications.

18:59

bounce: if you want this (as i do) built it by hand, with fpga-to-pcie board.

18:59

that's all it is, anyway

19:00

they're dressing this as 'enterprise' turdware, yes.

19:00

*

bounce doesn't begin to have the soldering skills for that. or the rest of the ee skills. will have to work on that.

19:01

no need to solder, surplus fpga demo board off 'ebay'.

19:01

physically-identical to this unit, quite possibly.

19:01

O_O

19:02

it's just some glue logic between pcie and external cabling.

19:02

with possibly a little dma magic on transmitting and receiving ends.

19:02

people who are not satisfied with '1024 chickens' often buy something like this.

19:02

you still get same chickens (pc cpus) but now in a shared-memory harness.

19:03

they can charge quite a lot before it becomes more economical to buy non-chicken cpus

19:04

non-chicken << you can't buy them.

19:04

they don't exist. no one has made any such thing for 20+ years.

19:05

you don't like sparc and ppc either then?

19:05

bounce: read why s. cray uttered the 'chickens' phrase.

19:06

some jobs simply do not parallelize.

19:06

as in, mathematically.

19:06

the engineers' answer seems to have been, 'well don't do those jobs'

19:07

true enough. and so the best you can have there today AIUI is a 5+ GHz IBM thing in a massively overpriced package

19:07

just as when musical notes appeared, music that was difficult to write down with notes - perhaps, disappeared.

19:07

big fat fucking deal, 5.

19:07

<asciilifeform> some jobs simply do not parallelize. << Single network interface with packet filter

19:07

2x speedup, 200x price markup.

19:08

that gives a lot of headroom for fancy interconnects, no? :-p

19:09

BingoBoingo: given that tcp/ip lets you fuck with ordering, that trivially parallelizes. at least, as fast as you can physically clock the bits off the wire to individual comparison registers, and then back on

19:09

BingoBoingo: 'narus corp.' (il. they supply a good chunk of nsa's hardware infrastructure) sells these.

19:09

if you need one - straight to them. take a few $m.

19:10

back to subject:

19:11

if you have $maxint and want to convert it to parallelizable number crunching - plenty of people are ready to help.

19:11

you'll end up with a small underground city full of intel, amd, whatever boxen.

19:11

if you have $maxint and want to grind a non-parallelizable problem - god help you.

19:11

it won't even suffice to build new fabs

19:12

you'll need to find new chemists. that are (if you're lucky) in their cradles right now.

19:12

and wait a few decades.

19:12

and then - maybe you have something.

19:14

what's the fastest the labs (not fabs) can do now? 60GHz or so with graphene 'tors?

19:14

60GHz of what?

19:14

of 'not' gate?

19:14

fat lot of good that'll do you.

19:15

these are sold for rf applications.

19:15

and once you connect two or more - here's your propagation delay.

19:15

welcome to 1975.

19:16

pete_dushenski_

damn, mircea_popescu is on a roll today.

19:16

pete_dushenski_

this block size talk really lit the fire!

19:17

mircea_popescu: yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here << they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny.

19:19

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb. << whoa.

19:20

mircea_popescu: and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it. << so *that's* why we're here!

19:20

*

pete_dushenski has purpose now.

19:20

only now?

19:20

wait, no, not purpose, causes!

19:20

i should really start reading contravex

19:21

*

bounce thinks of a 'pinky' joke, but fails... like every night.

19:22

mircea_popescu: moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup << only then will their derping be tamed. when it actually costs something.

19:22

mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay. << such forecasting these guys.

19:23

don't be silly. how did you think ma bell got to be big? it wasn't from lack of traffic!

19:23

which brings up gavin's latest, yes, make that his THIRD comment on contravex today:

19:23

http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30668

19:23

How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

19:24

gavin must drive a lexus because he's definitely in the pursuit of perfection.

19:24

bounce ma bell?

19:24

pete_dushenski: Notice how he never addresses bandwidth growth seriously

19:24

ring ring. those guys.

19:25

"And then divide by… uh, I think 5, because Pieter’s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL." << love this line by gavin.

19:26

"uhh let me make up numbers and not even mask the fact that they're made up because i'm typing in my retardedness."

19:26

chief scientist should be spending his time figuring out a plaintext emoticon for "drool"

19:26

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/32JAMK3.txt )

19:26

!b 3

19:28

those numbers are not that important. he could be off by a factor of ten and nobody'd notice. the "paying attention to the needs of EVERYBODY" is killer, though. in light of his committing those same EVERYBODY on upgrading their connectivity every year.

19:28

<BingoBoingo> pete_dushenski: Notice how he never addresses bandwidth growth seriously // this is indeed a worthy issue to address

19:30

Apocalyptic: I mean right now it would be feasible to put a Bitcoin node pretty much anywhere with a wired internet connection other than Nepal or the Desert, yet... this constant bandwidth grow really only happen consistently in data centers.

19:30

actually you could probably get away with 56k satellite phone connection in nepal

19:30

dude i go make some porn websites with stolen false names for five minutes and when i return the log scrolled off my desk

19:30

http://gawker.com/my-failed-attempt-to-suck-the-walmart-flavored-blood-of-1642497737 << New Yorkers forced to confront real America.

19:30

My Failed Attempt to Suck the Walmart-Flavored Blood of Real America

19:31

if you had the block chain already downloaded

19:31

thestringpuller: What took me so long was building a full txindex.

19:31

the reindexing is killer

19:32

BingoBoingo, pretty much, I wasn't being sarcastic

19:32

Apocalyptic: I know.

19:34

It's the derps who see adds about hosting prices falling or staying constant and the connections offered increasing... Don't realize how infrequently... people who keep their own machines upgrade their connections... Unless they are running a data center.

19:34

<asciilifeform> some jobs simply do not parallelize. << i have trouble coming to terms with this concept. wtf do you mean ? they'd better parallelize or else can't work on a turing machine

19:34

;;google perfectly sequential problem

19:34

P-complete - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-complete>; Stackelberg competition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stackelberg_competition>; Sequential Equilibrium and Perfect Equilibrium ... - Cornell University: <http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~rafael/papers/imperfect.pdf>

19:35

trivial example: sha(sha(sha..............

19:35

(notice i didn't say 'mining btc')

19:35

sha(sha still paralelizes to some degree. it gotta

19:35

rainbow tables. something.

19:35

not everything 'gotta'..

19:35

but yeah, i see what you mean

19:36

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/806569/whats-the-opposite-of-embarrassingly-parallel

19:36

multithreading - What's the opposite of "embarrassingly parallel"? - Stack Overflow

19:36

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2im4zv/gavin_andresen_proposes_bitcoin_hard_fork_to/cl3pga6

19:36

justusranvier comments on Gavin Andresen Proposes Bitcoin Hard Fork to Address Network Scalability

19:37

http://valleyball.co/ << Mega lulz, fantasy Venture capitalism

19:37

Valleyball - a fantasy VC league

19:38

<pete_dushenski> they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny. <<< or, moreover, aren't even bitcoin in any sense. notice the earlier guy with his strange "irc is insecure" notions. he probably thinks he's involved. his choices and mental processes however do not reflect that.

19:38

<pete_dushenski> wait, no, not purpose, causes! << lol selfpwnt

19:39

;;ticker

19:39

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 355.82, Best ask: 356.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 356.98, 24 hour volume: 28804.88232732, 24 hour low: 326.93, 24 hour high: 357.98, 24 hour vwap: 342.641644065

19:39

mircea_popescu: better me than you!

19:39

;;estimate

19:39

Next difficulty estimate | 35106354396.7 based on data since last change | 35353044324.1 based on data for last three days

19:39

meh

19:39

thickasthieves: so much for that diff spike eh?

19:40

i always assume the spikes are a new batch of miners testing then shipping

19:40

cuz i am human and must invent gods

19:40

<pete_dushenski> "And then divide by uh, I think 5, because Pieters libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL << honestly, at this point i'd want everyone to give a good look to libsecp256k1

19:40

really curious what turdage lurks therein

19:40

can reddit really get more dumb?

19:42

mircea_popescu: hmm. maybe gavin is trying to tip us off below the radar of his handlers?

19:42

maybe he has a soul!!11

19:42

"Thank you for posting that article! Brother Taaki knocks it out of the park." << like really

19:42

"Brother Taaki" ~_~

19:42

i have no idea, but the performance issue triggers my everpresend paranoid suspicion

19:42

justusranvier that's a rather intelligent point.

19:43

probably wasted in the venue, but i do kinda see you as this barefoot preacher to the huns.

19:43

he has his cult and we have ours

19:43

mats_cd03 no. they have their cults and we have a culture.

19:43

the difference is staggering.

19:43

course... we don't dance nearly as well.

19:45

mircea_popescu: Which point?

19:45

"BRANSON, MOAmong the things that I dislike most in this world are patriotism, religion, tourist traps, country music, and the Walmart corporation. So I traveled to the one area of this nation that captures them all. It did not go as planned."

19:45

uh that's a weird trail mix..

19:45

justusranvier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#865561

19:45

Logged on 08-10-2014 23:36:46; thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2im4zv/gavin_andresen_proposes_bitcoin_hard_fork_to/cl3pga6

19:47

You know at this point the shit Gavin proposes on the roadmap has to suggest a three letter agency gave him an explosive buttplug.

19:47

That reminds me of Man on Fire.

19:47

Oh, that one. Sorry, having less-than-optimal connectivity to my bouncer right now

19:47

Good movie, Denzel at his best.

19:47

Where Denzel puts a C4 block in the rectum of a police chief

19:48

ss your heart" Southern affectation of intense, polite agreement with everything that makes a mockery of any attempt at challenging conversation. Even when Bucky started ranting about various street artists and why they are or are not sellouts, Berry would strenuously agree, despite the fact thatand I don't think I'm speaking out of turn herethe street art scene in Branson is rather limited. Banksy's new piece? "

19:48

Uh HUH!" Dan Witz's mosh pit paintings? "AbsoLUTEly!" This is actually a clever form of communications ju-jitsu, because, over time, you start adopting the same affectation just to fit in, until one day you hear yourself saying "That ghost tour was AMAZING!" and you wonder if you have lost your identity somewhere along Highway 86.

19:48

AMAZING COMPANY!

19:48

dude, that article's something else. buncha tiresome hippies rolling their eyes at b uncha tiresome fargo inhabitants.

19:48

how the fuck do the gawker idjits figure they're any better than the ozarks idiots just through being a different color...

19:49

mircea_popescu: Best part. The authors and subjects... all white as gypsum

19:49

This was a more important thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ighvq/a_scalability_roadmap_the_bitcoin_foundation/cl2fbhx

19:49

justusranvier comments on A Scalability Roadmap | The Bitcoin Foundation

19:50

BingoBoingo i didn't mean that color. i just meant, red prius roling headlights at white prius for being such a mainstream pos car.

19:50

Ah

19:50

go a few parents up to finnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarting po

19:50

stupid flakey wifi...

19:51

lmao your wifi did that ?!

19:51

Even thermos doubts Gavin https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ighvq/a_scalability_roadmap_the_bitcoin_foundation/cl25hmw

19:51

theymos comments on A Scalability Roadmap | The Bitcoin Foundation

19:51

my third response to gavin for the day: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30754

19:51

How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

19:51

anyway, i know what you're saying, it's sensible, but also a very hard problem.

19:52

and i'm off to have two lovely romanians make me a home-cooked meal!

19:52

I have a... nonstandard irc client configuration

19:53

I have a vm running Xorg on a VPS, and I connect this desktop remotely using Spice protocol

19:54

Spice doesn't handle dropped packets very well...

19:54

justusranvier so then what happens actually is that if you press a key it sends a packet over and if you depress it similarly

19:54

and so if it misses a packet in there you just keep on typing n ?

19:54

apparently so

19:54

this boggles the mind

19:55

it may be the worst design i ever heard of

19:56

"house of cards" is still industry best practice. carry on.

19:57

On the plus side, this arrangement means I can run Skype in a virtualized sandbox that's far away from my real desktop

19:58

http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2014/10/sayreville_high_school_football_hazing_parent_reveals_sexual_nature_of_locker_room_ritual_exclusive.html

19:58

Sayreville football parent reveals sexual nature of alleged locker room hazing ritual (Exclusive) | NJ.com

20:06

;;google web of trust database

20:06

Check links against the Web of Trust database - Meta Stack Exchange: <http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/58558/check-links-against-the-web-of-trust-database>; WOT Services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOT_Services>; "World's Largest Public Hacker Database" | Forum | WOT (Web of Trust): <http://www.mywot.com/en/forum/31000--world-s (1 more message)

20:06

!s web of trust database

20:06

3 results for 'web of trust database' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=web+of+trust+database

20:07

nanotube: how come I can wget the downloads on http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/ ?

20:07

Index of /bitcoinmirror/otc/today

20:08

i keep getting permission denied... :(

20:08

nvm. stupid me

20:14

New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/identitymind-global-add-25th-bitcoin-client/

20:18

Just talked to the lawyer. As long as I stay patient I jsut might win this case through attrition, the DA... just... can't... retain... licensed... lawyers

20:19

wait what?

20:19

you're on trial?

20:23

!up ninjashogun lol

20:24

hi, asciilifeform

20:25

bored?

20:25

i am

20:25

your business proposals suck

20:25

but are amusing

20:25

i want you to know that ninjashogun

20:26

mats_cd03, other people have been fine with them. It's better to have proposals and not want them than not to have them, for most people in a position to seriously consider them. (called 'dealflow').

20:27

The20YearIRCloud: Still the misdemeanor

20:27

LOL

20:27

i'm thestringpuller

20:27

no The20YearIRCloud

20:27

not*

20:27

lol

20:27

* thestringpuller, yeah autocomplete

20:27

:D

20:28

what's new, asciilifeform? what's been keeping you busy?

20:28

Long day full of turning wood into mulch

20:31

you have no skills, nothing to offer besides talk without substance

20:31

you should instead turn your attention to leeching from the government as others like you

20:31

mats_cd03: actually he does have one thing to offer - the truth about why he came here. but i don't expect to hear it.

20:32

you'll have a better return on investment than derping here, i promise

20:32

TomServo what was the site with the charts such as btc/gold btc/wti ?

20:34

mats_cd03, (and others) I found this article interesting and very relevant to the culture you're buliding here. http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8425501

20:34

Trouble at the Koolaid Point | Hacker News

20:34

i have belonged to 2 cults prior to this one

20:34

i left my faith behind at age 11 and enlisted at 18

20:34

this is a cult?!

20:34

so forgive me if i think youre trite

20:35

mats_cd03, it's hrad to see what you get out of making statements like this but you expressed to me privately that you were dissatisfied with your work and had to jump through mental hoops to justify how important it might turn out to be in hypothetical (and unlikely) situations. The truth is you could have a bigger impact doing something else, and you know this. (You brought it my attention.)

20:35

huh

20:36

asciilifeform, you should have a read at http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point -- I found it very enlgihtening.

20:37

its banal and whiny

20:37

i'm a disgruntled IT slave and you offer to enslave me instead

20:37

aha the doxxing crap

20:37

how generous of you

20:38

mats_cd03, what do you mean "I offer to enslave you instead"? I didn't offer anything but told you you should do something in general terms, i.e. whatever you come up with. I didn't have a specific suggestion for oyu.

20:38

mats_cd03: see, you have to understand, poor fella's just trying to do a job here. station chief said, 'recruit mole, your budget is initially $0.' so he's gotta do it, or at least fail convincingly.

20:38

ninjashogun: https://weev.livejournal.com/409913.html

20:38

weev: "Women in tech", doxing, Kathy Sierra, and the koolaid.

20:39

ninjashogun "others" who ?

20:39

asciilifeform, tihs is exactly why I linked you http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point -- saying this is literally exactly the same as the DMCA allegation. Nobody knows hwere you came up with it.

20:39

'nobody.'

20:39

http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=ninjashogun

20:39

Rating Details for User 'ninjashogun'

20:40

!b5

20:40

asciilifeform, yes in the sense that several people here have said things like "I read thorugh that twice and don't see where USG comes in"

20:40

i've observed both sides of the humint game and ninjashogun is just a failed mba

20:40

!up SweeteDad

20:40

anxious to con someone with talent for which to substitute as his own

20:40

mats_cd03, I didn't try to hire anyone here!

20:40

sufficiently abject failure can look like other kind of sufficiently abject failure

20:40

like the static on a screen contains many 'movies'

20:40

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/27Z74B5.txt )

20:40

!b 2

20:41

humint bugger has to tend, befriend, schoozle, bamboozle - before he is ever permitted to hire. at least in the civilized world - can't speak for crazyland

20:42

yeah hiring for that is like hiring for the press

20:42

i doubt anyone ever gets paid anymore.

20:42

asciilifeform, you are literally talking exactly as described in the article I've just linked. This makes you feel better I guess?

20:43

*

asciilifeform looks forward to seeing butterfly collections fill up with folks banging on the door of the wot, 'i'm not a spammer! here's 150 friends who swear! and none of them are in, it's because you drink koolaid'

20:43

it is kinda lulzy.

20:44

fresh butterfly milk.

20:44

asciilifeform, actually, scammers don't hvae a problem building up a WoT reputation as has been shown repeatedly through ultimately failed ponzi schemes, fraudulent exchanges, etc.

20:44

wot is a stochastic system, like thermodynamics.

20:45

asciilifeform, if I wanted to build up a WoT reputation I would just make a new nick and do some low-value transactions.

20:45

lol

20:45

the air in your fist can heat up to 1000c, theoretically, by itself

20:45

but go and wait for it.

20:45

this entire "o hey, X event is exactly like Y dumbass article i found" is pretty cool tho.

20:45

shaman sitting on the steps of white house. "and now president will come out" obama pops out. shaman "i control the presidency!!!1"

20:46

mircea_popescu, it's pretty hard not to see how making random USG accusations isn't exactly the same as using a made-up hot-button "she used DMCA take-downs"?

20:46

because correlation may not be causation, but definitely is an academic career

20:46

ninjashogun things you don't understand and things that are random don't share much common ground.

20:46

mircea_popescu, that is a lot of negatives :)

20:47

You're essentially saying everything I don't understand is deterministic (non-stochastic). Well, okay.

20:48

no, i'm not.

20:48

What I mean is that that is the meaning of the sentence "things you don't understand and things that are random don't share much common ground" gramatically. (though i understand you're just being rhetorical). after you factor out the double negatives.

20:49

ninjashogun: let's start with the basics. you come here, knowing that the sole purpose of allowing you to speak is, more or less, public vivisection for our pleasure. and yet you come. this suggests that you are carrying out your duties to earn your bread.

20:49

I don't htink that's the sole purpose of letting me speak.

20:49

;;estimate

20:49

i sympathize with any poor sod who grunts in a salt mine doing something bloody ludicrous and humiliating, but this has to break some sort of record.

20:49

Next difficulty estimate | 35099821874.7 based on data since last change | 35178251876.6 based on data for last three days

20:50

;;bc,stats

20:50

20:50

I think you trolled hard enough for a couple of months to move on to something more constructive. Even weev did.

20:50

!down ninjashogun

20:50

anyway, this chick is so overdramatic.

20:50

if someone has another purpose for him - let's have it

20:51

Shave the feathers?

20:51

If you ever need a spamgun for hire, you know where to find him

20:51

we all know where the button is, yes.

20:52

except, i suspect that he rarely goes hungry.

20:52

eh guy's not actually useful, just derpy.

20:52

hell, when we turn his microphone off, we're doing him a favour. perhaps they let him clock out then.

20:52

2. ignore them (they escalate, make your life more miserable, DDoS, ruin your career, etc. i.e. They Win) <<< wait, wut ?

20:52

20:52

<ninjashogun> you're not correct that I have any connection with the u.s. government. (or any other government). Other than holding citizenship and in the interests of absolute full disclosure, I served briefly in the military. This isn't text or me saying it

20:52

lulzies

20:53

such nonsense, really. people this frail have no business in the public view. take a mcd job and be happy there

20:54

Plus to that is McD's is probably more a technology business than most startups

20:54

A lot of automation there

20:54

yeah

20:55

Thats awful, but you gotta admit hilarious! Once again, high-fives all around. This is the world we have created.

20:55

dude everyone fancies themselves a "we" and a world creator

20:55

anyway, enough of that derpage.

20:55

using a lot of automated (and suitably squaddie-proofed) tools does not a "technology company" make

20:55

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asciilifeform spent 3 days getting a wireless card to work, all because some shitgnome silently removed support for 'wireless extensions' in a driver (e.g. 'iwconfig') in the name of chope and hange.

20:56

linux and wireless is a neverending three stack soap opera

20:56

bounce, but they fuel even more automated and idiotproof machines

20:58

bounce: only really an issue on laptops, where you can't install a civilized replacement for $gizmo

20:58

well... usb.

20:58

then it isn't a laptop, but a crate of crapolade on wires

20:59

that, e.g., you can't switch off (how does the usb dongle behave on power-low mode? etc)

20:59

<ninjashogun> I think you can improve your device by communicating with the host in any other way (LED and webcam, speaker and microphone, whatever), other than as a USB device, which I don't think is the most secure interface for your usage case. No, I didn't have anyone else tell me to tell you this!

20:59

lol!

20:59

i can't resist!

21:00

so !up and at'em

21:00

!up ninjashogun

21:00

i took out the wifi card in one of my laptops. im sure i can install another card.

21:01

reeses: 'Muricanized AK http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/bcam02.jpg << Nao Pink

21:01

kakobrekla: quite a few of the newer boxes deliberately choke if you install an aftermarket card (if you can even find one that fits the slot)

21:01

needs more hello kitty decals

21:01

this is the actual pastebin, so we're not being selective - http://pastebin.com/hT9RJN0S

21:01

<ninjashogun> you're not correct that I have any connection with the u.s. govern - Pastebin.com

21:02

thanks, assbot lol

21:02

right

21:02

that is not an actual title, just the first line that was already quoted.

21:02

asciilifeform: Most laptops with bios locks on card models accept any mini-pci-e wireless cards in the second, cellular modem mini-pcie with just a bit of tape to cover a pin

21:02

http://data.whicdn.com/images/15549266/hello-kitty-580x886_large.jpg ?

21:03

such praise for asciilifeform

21:03

BingoBoingo: not this one.

21:03

Ah

21:04

BingoBoingo: at any rate, these are legion.

21:04

the correct solution would be to quit doing work that requires laptops, but i cannot afford this.

21:05

what? no. build your own laptop. :-p

21:06

bunny huang did. well, the mainboard part. the rest is still "some assembly required".

21:06

bounce: that is not a laptop.

21:06

a turd is not a sausage, even if you eat with relish.

21:06

well, a SMOD then.

21:07

bounce: http://oglaf.com/delusionist

21:07

Delusionist

21:09

asciilifeform, that is a hilarious cartoon. the punchline is great.

21:21

!up moldysnizz

21:22

Well, hi there

21:22

Hello

21:22

I was just about to bitch that I funked up my gpg key, but it seems to be working again.

21:23

Had to make a new one, the old had expired.

21:23

Not really sure what the propper protocal is.

21:23

Don't put expiration dates on the keys?

21:24

Hmmm

21:24

OK

21:25

guys, I've got to go, it's very late here. thanks for the up and the links, I'll talk to you next time.

21:25

;;calc (21.35-1.4)/98

21:25

0.203571428571

21:25

;;calc (21.35-1.4)/98*3600

21:25

732.857142857

21:27

Crap. Gotta go to the store before beer sales end.

21:27

Get some shit tickets too!

21:28

moldysnizz: Well, get to work on that

21:28

;;tslb

21:28

Time since last block: 29 minutes and 3 seconds

21:28

heh. Ya, it's getting cold out.

21:28

Plus, beer.

21:30

When I get back may I bug you about gpg stuff? I was hope'n to test some crap out. Maybe work on a howto sheet for nubs.

21:30

moldysnizz: If I'm awake.

21:31

Now that cazalla's back trying to get back to 'Murica time for the qntra

21:31

Rock'n catch ya later BingoBoingo

21:31

I don't know what any of that means.

21:32

moldysnizz: There's a lot to catch up on.

21:33

*

moldysnizz nods

21:33

TomServo

TheNewDeal: https://www.kimonolabs.com/bitcoin/correlator

21:33

kimono : Bitcoin Correlator

21:33

gracias

21:34

Oh. I'm teathered to my phone. Need znc, must logout

21:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00074202 = 13.8387 BTC [-] {2}

21:34

TomServo

de nada

~ 22 minutes ~

21:57

nanotube

<thestringpuller> nanotube: how come I can wget the downloads on http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/ <- i think you probably mean "cant", and the answer is i don't know, neofutur keeps that mirror. you can wget from bitcoin-otc.com/otc/

21:57

Index of /bitcoinmirror/otc/today

22:00

thanks nanotube! i didn't know the main one.

22:01

xanthyos, start a garden, makes the world of difference

22:03

nanotube

np :)

22:06

;;later tell moldysnizz off to bed

22:06

The operation succeeded.

22:15

;;rate ninjashogun -1 doesn't understand the WoT http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#865707

22:15

Logged on 09-10-2014 00:45:00; ninjashogun: asciilifeform, if I wanted to build up a WoT reputation I would just make a new nick and do some low-value transactions.

22:15

Rating entry successful. Your rating for user ninjashogun has changed from 1 to -1.

22:21

oh its danielpbarron

22:21

i haven't seen you in a bit

22:23

<cazalla> xanthyos, start a garden, makes the world of difference < << actually this is quite good advice.

22:23

danielpbarron it's generally the common refuge of the inept, to pretend that "if they wanted"

22:24

you garden in your new place mircea_popescu ?

22:32

mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style << do elaborate! << this thing where one just barfs raw HTML elements all over the page

22:32

did you paint your house grey?

22:32

Tim Draper to head CSIRO

22:33

with blue shutters that turn purple when you open them?

22:33

catching up on logs and ya know, everyone shits on how qntra looks

22:33

hmm

22:34

is my google lying to me

22:34

yeha it is

22:34

fukn spam sites

22:35

cazalla weird, i wonder why

22:35

yeah, i'm reading it's venture capitalist Larry Marshall

22:35

New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-foundations-financial-standards-working-group-publishes-agenda/

22:35

you can do minimalist without stooping to using browser defaults

22:35

nubbins`, i actually like it

22:36

well, there's that :D

22:36

but it is something that can be improved later

22:37

make it work first

22:37

make it pretty later?

22:40

anyway, while driving such long distances, i got to listening to let's talk bitcoin episodes and in one of the latests, adreas concedes bitcoin isn't for africa but maybe now philippines, argentina

22:41

did he say why not africa?

22:41

well, he said africa in a few decades maybe

22:42

but more 2nd world because they have better internets

22:42

argentina uses bitcoin for remittence right now from what I've read

22:42

argentines use*

22:42

maybe i use 2nd world wrong

22:44

probably less red tape to deploy an atm in the 2nd world.

22:44

if none at all.

22:45

mod6

cazalla: i like how it looks. simple. and looks good with lynx.

22:50

thestringpuller nah can't be bothered. but also am not depressed.

22:50

nubbins` how do you do html, xml-encapsed ?!

22:51

o look at that, hanbot qntra.

22:53

"Not only is this confusing for consumers, it does not fit in existing systems and software for accounting practices." << uh it fits an0

22:53

and zero asset...

22:53

<nubbins`> you can do minimalist without stooping to using browser defaults << i don't think that's stooping.

22:54

*

hanbot will write for gray and blue and purple sites

22:54

http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-input/msg33095.html << turd? yes. but here's a little story behind it. think, why would anyone build a device like this?

22:54

Re: USB reset xhci_hcd for ELAN touchscreen -- Linux Input

22:55

so the formidable mpoe-pr lives :D

22:55

(what kind of device? a 2d plane digitizer that sits on usb, meant to be used as 'touch' gizmo. and it pisses GBs of usb disconnect garbage into log -if and only if you don't use it-.)

22:55

thestringpuller the "working group" hasn't yet heard of bitcoin

22:55

they're belabouring on the outskirts of the fiat world still.

22:56

asciilifeform like a canary of sorts ?

22:56

sorta.

22:57

why i even mention it? because it's an example of a device that loudly, proudly, pisses on the usb spec (spirit and letter thereof) but is tolerated because for most people - it appears harmless.

22:58

but build a system where it isn't milked (usb pipe with non-null payloads kept going) and drown in shit.

23:00

and incidentally, i know just how the author arrived at this - he probably used the 'watchdog' feature of the micro which implements the device

23:00

i.e., register that cycles its power if not updated every x msec.

23:00

and only updated guess where - interrupt handler (that's only entered if os is using the digitizer, naturally)

23:01

i don't even have to disassemble the beast, extract the fw, and reverse it to have a pretty solid guess

23:01

moral: turdware is everywhere

23:03

moral2: 'crashes as response to unexpected inputs - incl. lack of input - are ok' attitude is a plague that corrupts everything it touches.

23:04

moral3: it is contagious. because it is impossible to implement a sane os which handles this insane device and adds up to sanity.

23:04

could just ignore it

23:04

but that's not sane.

23:04

there's nothing insane about refusing to support lunacy

23:04

'enumerated badness'

23:04

the converse, the expectation that everything is s upported, is insane.

23:05

yes. but it didn't happen in empty space, but from the 'tower of babel' situation

23:05

you can't install airplane flaps on your car. somehow this is perfectly comprehensible. why should you be able to use a noncompliant usb stick ?

23:05

why the everliving fuck does there have to be more than one way to talk to a mouse ?

23:06

the false dichotomy here being that either you apple (onlt accept stuff we made) or else foss (accept any turd)

23:06

i recently had the occasion to read a treatise on machine screws.

23:06

the correct solution is, only accept stuff that does x y z

23:06

somehow, the world arrived at a handful of precisely defined thread types that are interoperable.

23:06

whoever makes it, either makes it to spec or it won't work. period and enforced.

23:06

precisely.

23:07

this is enough of a revolution in computing as is.

23:07

build a machine from the ground up, that works like that.

23:07

obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=37

23:07

Loper OS » The Hardware Culture, or: What They Build, Works! Can We Say the Same?

23:07

and sure, the coindesks of the world will derp about how "xe has difficulty with bitcoin". so ?

23:07

^ written long ago

23:08

fuck them, they should be thankful for this difficulty now, and humbly submit

23:08

the difficulty later will be worse.

23:08

!up jacoblyles

23:09

mircea_popescu: my turd, if it had a point, mainly had the point of - the grave harm of 'tolerance.'

23:10

well, tolerance understood as, "ignore it".

23:10

as much as we'd all like to see little machine guns come out of the chassis and blow things away

23:10

when you turn up one of these pieces of junk, on your desk, or worse yet, chained to it (yes, you bought one set - can buy another, what'll the crapolade be in the next gadget?) - it happens because other folks - lived with it.

23:10

because someone decided to be 'tolerant.'

23:10

and 'helpful.'

23:11

apparently tolerance as in the libtard notion has a lot of drawbacks

23:11

forced mistake, in many cases - sometimes, you have the luxury of setting fire to the whole shebang and walking away

23:11

and the supposed benefits are not really that readily apparent. what's the benefit to beint tolerant supposed to be, again ?

23:11

other times - no

23:11

something something powerless people ?. ahem... fuck em ?

23:13

somebody gets fucked, regardless, just like something had to burn to power my computer to write this (precious little fission or hydro where i live)

23:13

*

danielpbarron is about to be on donkdown http://www.donkdown.com/live-radio/

23:13

DonkDown – Live Radio

23:13

question instead is, what burns, what kind of exhaust gas

23:13

danielpbarron have fun

23:15

mircea_popescu: familiar with 'postel's law' ?

23:15

ie robustness

23:15

it's a little gibblet of dreary nonsense parroted in defense of the the kind of crap described earlier.

23:15

'be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send.'

23:16

it's not nearly as smart as it would want to be. its direct equivalent would be "never rape anyone and enjoy being raped whenever it happens"

23:16

it wouldn't go very far now would it.

23:16

perfectly sane 2nd half is like a needle through which 1st clause is injected through your brain.

23:16

lol

23:17

myeah. funny how obvious the obvious is once the correspondingly larger sex-and-money processor is put to the task.

23:18

incidentally, the postel crap reminds me of the fountain through which the bulk of modern pc retardation flows forth: the web browser. as in, literally the only reason one cannot use os setup circa, e.g., 2001 (with a patch here & there)

23:18

because modern111!1111 browser won't build there

23:18

and if built (miracle, hand-massaged bottle-fed libraries, etc) won't run.

23:19

because won't fit in 64M of the machine in question

23:19

for no particular or identifiable reason.

23:20

why, precisely, does it take four megs to render a tab filled with 1kb of ascii text?

23:20

because herpderpr0gr355?

23:26

*

xanthyos

23:35

<+cazalla> catching up on logs and ya know, everyone shits on how qntra looks << luckily that's about the 50th most important thing..

23:35

when's hanbot going to start contributing?

23:36

probably can't curse as much as on the forums

23:37

probably not a need since the intended audience isn't retards

23:37

there is a need for good writers that know bitcoin.

23:38

not a need for cursing*

23:38

sorry for ambiguity

23:38

oh :) yeah.

23:38

news doesn't call for it so often, i don't think.

23:38

i've actually been impressed that they've managed to keep from cursing while talking about VC's and such

23:39

mike_c> when's hanbot going to start contributing? << like an hour ago?

23:39

oh? cool.

23:40

look at that, i'm behind the times.

23:42

i am really excited about this thing, i hope it keeps up. it would be so awesome if i never had to look at coindesk again.

23:42

gotta try new things :)

23:43

or bitcoin magazine, or r/bitcoin...

23:52

<asciilifeform> because modern111!1111 browser won't build there << what is the "modern browser" for ?

23:52

<mike_c> when's hanbot going to start contributing? << latest was hers neh ?

23:53

<mike_c> i am really excited about this thing, i hope it keeps up. it would be so awesome if i never had to look at coindesk again. << you have NO IDEEA how awesome this thing actually is

23:53

the reveal, late oct/early november

23:55

exciting!

23:58

what is the "modern browser" for << search engines & their output, mostly.

23:58