Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
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00:00 asciilifeform decimation: browser is 'judas goat' that leads folks into places they would never voluntarily go
00:00 asciilifeform in terms of crapolade accumulation in the conceptual stack
00:02 asciilifeform browser is why 'i wanna run my old freebsd 4.7 box' - 'sorry, no, not if you still want to log in & pay your electric bill online.'
00:02 decimation old analog cell phones allocated 25 khz of dedicated bandwidth to each call (as I recall)
00:03 decimation 'modern' phones allocate ~8kbit/sec w/lossy compression
00:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo will appreciate how it is entirely impossible to use a mac os 9 (or prior) box for a daily machine today.
00:03 asciilifeform decimation: yes, and somehow we aren't supposed to notice the atrocious quality.
00:04 asciilifeform and unlike dr. seuss and his 'whispermaphone' - not even secret.
00:04 decimation but, you see now 'everyone' has a 'phone'
00:04 decimation 'everyone' can 'use' a 'computer' and 'the internet'
00:04 asciilifeform this is the basic phenomenon here.
00:04 asciilifeform 'everyone'ization.
00:05 decimation I had opportunity to use an 'old' agilent spectrum analyzer a few days ago
00:05 mircea_popescu decimation you know who was talking on the cellphone back in those old days ?
00:06 decimation it lacked windows, made me feel good
00:06 decimation mircea_popescu: certianly not 'everyone'
00:06 mircea_popescu i mean what, hollywood used it to establish just how speshul redford is to make sharon stone fucking him for money acceptable to the housewife in attendance
00:07 mircea_popescu i mean moore not stone
00:07 mircea_popescu i always mix my starlets.
00:07 decimation remember the 80's movies & tv where the rich guy in the limo has a 'car phone'?
00:07 asciilifeform pre-cellular (trunked radio)
00:07 asciilifeform even soviets had them.
00:08 asciilifeform half a dozen or so per city, max.
00:09 decimation you can buy an 'agilent e4406a' on ebay for ~$1k, covers 7mhz to 4 ghz, windows free
00:09 dub dad had one in his porshe 924
00:09 decimation my understanding is that early analog cell phones weren't even trunked, they had a dedicated channel while connected
00:10 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/progress-and-revolution/ << btw.
00:10 assbot “Progress” and “Revolution” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
00:12 asciilifeform incidentally, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3UNjNe5lD8
00:12 assbot The Lorax -- Dr. Seuss (1972 original version) - YouTube
00:14 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/progress-and-revolution/
00:16 decimation the french revolution wasn't only caused by the socialists, it was also caused by the pathetic derpiness of the 'nobility' and monarchy
00:17 decimation many of whom were actively trying to undermine the other nobility in the name of 'progress' etc
00:19 mircea_popescu not in the name of progress, no.
00:21 mircea_popescu i don't really like the mr trololo treatment
00:21 decimation in the name of égalité?
00:23 mircea_popescu well this is a very difficult question. but a good part of it is that nietzsche and sartre are not innovators except formally. fundamentally, they were retracing preexisting ideas,
00:23 mircea_popescu and so the superman and the existentialist are both models of the late french aristocracy
00:24 mircea_popescu people with the drive to push the absurd quite very far, and with the means to actually do so irl rather than in their own minds/reddit pages.
00:25 xanthyos http://www.donkdown.com/media/DDRadio-2014-Oct-08_19_04_08.mp3 << danielpbarron bit starts 77 min in, gonna listen to this because i was too busy pissing on my mom's driveway when the show was live
00:27 mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> i don't really like the mr trololo treatment << this was re the seuss link
00:28 decimation I hadn't made the connection between french elite absurdity and Nietzsche - an interesting connection
00:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: somebody (pixar?) recently came out with an even worse one
00:28 asciilifeform that actually made the 1972 picture look good.
00:31 decimation the reddit of 1789, france was the Estates-General and the derpage associated with the third estate
00:33 decimation ;;ticker
00:33 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 351.84, Best ask: 353.71, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 351.84, 24 hour volume: 28774.86534965, 24 hour low: 327.01, 24 hour high: 359.87, 24 hour vwap: 345.196943781
00:36 decimation in contrast to the French revolution, the American revolution seems much more... conservative? The result of the American revolution largely enshrining the existing governing arrangement in place (while sowing the seeds of future destruction with lofty idiotic language that no one at the time took seriously)
00:41 decimation !up stormlight
00:47 decimation http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/ << "September 30, around 5am" << wait - was that Argentina time? Because they are UTC-3, which makes it almost 2300 29 Sep local time?
00:47 assbot Introducing the qntra pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
00:47 xanthyos lol danielpbarron 97 minute mark with the hypothetical situation of you catching elton john buttfucking in your hotel
00:51 The20YearIRCloud That's a bit scary
00:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: people with the drive... to actually do so irl rather than in their own minds/reddit pages << they would if they could.
01:13 decimation !up AndrewJackson
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01:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00074806 = 4.3387 BTC [+] {2}
01:34 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/ << this stuff is such greatness.
01:34 assbot Digging through archives yields gold pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
01:35 mircea_popescu "The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigg
01:35 mircea_popescu er, more serious, and more disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks are difficult for ordinary people understand. I
01:35 mircea_popescu have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, as in Weimar Germany."
01:39 The20YearIRCloud Maybe i can steal your bitcoin news website
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02:37 mircea_popescu %d
02:37 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 311414.90 in 403 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.42
02:45 mircea_popescu Confirmed total: 19000 BTC
02:45 mircea_popescu heh!
02:50 RagnarDanneskjol thats a nice number = 5414.88 oz xau
02:51 mircea_popescu basically bitbet hgas paid 190 btc in dividends to date
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02:52 mircea_popescu not that many things in bitcoin with a better record
02:52 cazalla this upcoming article, too speculative? some random shit kicker owes $$ while his company begins accepting bitcoin
02:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "Suppose you want to support strings and have a string comparison instruction. You might think that "it's done in the hardware", so it's blindingly fast. It isn't, because the hardware still has to access memory, one word per cycle. A superscalar/VLIW assembly loop would run just as quickly; the only thing you'd save is a few bytes for instruction encoding. On the other hand, your string comparison thingi
02:52 mircea_popescu e has got you into several sorts of trouble" << my question is, why one word per cycle ?
02:53 mircea_popescu cazalla not enough data to make a call
02:56 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/james-home-services-to-begin-trialling-bitcoin/
02:58 mircea_popescu cazalla imo it's good.
03:00 mircea_popescu !up pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa
03:00 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa hello
03:00 fluffypony that's a lot of a's
03:01 mircea_popescu what brings you and your a's here ?
03:02 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa oh I liked your comment about bitcoin not being for poor people
03:02 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa on twitter someone quoted of you today
03:02 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa I am friends of DPB and Xan
03:02 mircea_popescu a ok
03:02 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa but I am from SF bay area
03:02 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa not east coast
03:03 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa my ex gf is a fake socialist who works for btcjam
03:03 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa and talks about bitcoin helping poor people
03:03 mircea_popescu is she hot ?
03:03 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa and i decided to become a full blown capitalist
03:03 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa since love dosent exist
03:04 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa she was a hot samoan
03:04 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa samoan white girl
03:04 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa https://btcjam.com/contact
03:04 assbot About Us - BTCJam
03:04 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa "alexis"
03:04 pakaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol
03:05 pakaka these millineal socialist commies into bitcoin are dangerous
03:05 pakaka millinenial*
03:05 pakaka however you spell it
03:06 pakaka that site is sort of irrelvent with what I have heard about the WOT though.
03:08 mircea_popescu so good for you.
03:09 pakaka I wonder if andreas antonopoulos is a Fed.
03:12 xanthyos hi pakaka
03:14 pakaka hi
03:14 pakaka i guess andreas antonopoulos didnt have any cash and had alexis buy him a pack of cigs and he said he would send her bitcoin for it
03:15 pakaka which he never did
03:15 pakaka #scam
03:15 pakaka after some bitcoin meetup in sf a few months ago
03:15 pakaka what a chump
03:15 xanthyos how do you collateralize loans for something whose value is so volatile?
03:16 xanthyos are they a bank?
03:17 mircea_popescu lol this scamming the noobie carnie sounds so mark twain like.
03:18 xanthyos i sure do love painting this fence
03:19 mircea_popescu anyway. that's all for me, take it ezzy
03:25 pakaka http://tinychat.com/ssd6/1c30bb/71/pakaloloz/obeisance/10-09-2014
03:25 assbot obeisance/pakaloloz (10-09-2014) - Tinychat
03:28 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/ivee-device-can-now-quote-bitcoin-prices/
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04:49 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/debitway-to-help-cryptsy-move-into-canadian-market/
04:54 thickasthieves ;;ticker
04:54 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 367.0, Best ask: 368.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 368.0, 24 hour volume: 32532.57837044, 24 hour low: 334.61, 24 hour high: 370.0, 24 hour vwap: 349.544729812
05:07 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/mirakl-enables-its-customers-to-accept-bitcoin/
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06:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00074148 = 4.4489 BTC [-]
06:13 thickasthieves icahn is sending an open letter to apple today or something
06:13 thickasthieves i bet it says they should buy paypal when it spins off
06:14 thickasthieves organofcorti has a nice post today http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2014/10/106-does-price-still-lead-difficulty.html
06:14 assbot Neighbourhood Pool Watch: 10.6 Does price still lead difficulty?
06:20 RagnarDanneskjol http://qz.com/278012/nope-chinas-economy-hasnt-yet-surpassed-americas/
06:20 assbot Nope, China’s economy hasn’t yet surpassed America’s – Quartz
06:28 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
06:28 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
06:28 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 366.19, vol: 32154.98743247 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 360.0, vol: 16417.66327 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 365.4, vol: 37100.03532424 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 369.98, vol: 13.35213212 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 361.514412, vol: 68989.92250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 379.99999, vol: 17.16269164 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 367.4016, vol: 182.64802365 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
06:31 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#866032 < no, hasnt paid 190 yet
06:31 assbot Logged on 09-10-2014 06:51:52; mircea_popescu: basically bitbet hgas paid 190 btc in dividends to date
06:32 kakobrekla as earnings / div come from resolved, not confirmed.
06:34 kakobrekla current number seems to be ~135
06:35 kakobrekla and ~50 in the pipe
06:41 RagnarDanneskjol http://bitcoinobserver.com/presentations/2014-10-01-Bitcoin-not-a-currency-like-informational-commodity--Jan-Bergstra.pdf
06:43 RagnarDanneskjol https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/765.pdf
06:43 RagnarDanneskjol [The Bitcoin Backbone Protocol: Analysis and Applications]
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07:15 BingoBoingo %v
07:15 atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 180 Ask: 225 Last Price: 255 30d-Vol: 174k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 199
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07:34 BingoBoingo http://www.funtoo.org/Funtoo_Linux_FAQ#Do_you_support_systemd.3F
07:34 assbot Funtoo Linux FAQ - Funtoo
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08:03 thickasthieves btc going nuts
08:03 thickasthieves ;;ticker
08:03 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 376.01, Best ask: 378.88, Bid-ask spread: 2.87000, Last trade: 379.17, 24 hour volume: 31550.38990955, 24 hour low: 336.25, 24 hour high: 379.99, 24 hour vwap: 354.61002523
08:03 kakobrekla boooo
08:03 kakobrekla i just got used to being poor again what is this
08:04 RagnarDanneskjol jayzus
08:05 kakobrekla i guess we will eat meat today!
08:06 thickasthieves have some cake too
08:06 thickasthieves alas i will not eat meat today
08:07 kakobrekla why
08:07 thickasthieves vegan
08:07 thickasthieves :)
08:07 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Doormouse and Boar?
08:07 kakobrekla ah right tat , forgot
08:08 kakobrekla BingoBoingo lmao
08:09 kakobrekla any of the two is better than chestnuts
08:09 kakobrekla fukin hate those.
08:13 BingoBoingo Almonds though are the worst, taste like cyanide.
08:14 cazalla vanilla almonds are the best
08:17 cazalla and with that, qntra australia signs off for the night
08:18 fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=810921.0
08:19 assbot BITCOINTALK STAFF QUIETLY BANS PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THEM
08:19 fluffypony "Media must follow certain ethical standards when reporting the news and at CCN, our team follows the standards to the letter."
08:19 fluffypony o
08:19 fluffypony k
08:19 fluffypony oh that quote is from here: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcointalk-staff-quietly-bans-people-speaking/
08:24 thickasthieves lol at the included pic and caption
08:25 thickasthieves Decentraliiiiiiiized Future ture ture!
08:28 mats_cd03 i just put some gluten in a marinade of sriracha, chopped garlic, and soy sauce
08:29 fluffypony this is what most altcoins are like IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LKYLnrTMq0
08:29 assbot Funny high school RAP BATTLE - YouTube
08:29 mats_cd03 it shatters the mind how protein dense gluten is
08:31 mats_cd03 5oz of seitan could be as much as 120g protein
08:35 fluffypony thickasthieves: when did you go vegan?
08:35 thickasthieves nearly 3yrs i think
08:35 thickasthieves was veg before that
08:35 mats_cd03 why do you do it
08:35 mats_cd03 waifu?
08:37 thickasthieves well, if you really wanna know, it's somewhat spiritual i guess, i dont like the idea of caging and torturing animals
08:38 thickasthieves i could get more into it, but mostly people dont give a shit
08:38 fluffypony my wife's just gone vegan (she's been vegetarian since she was 14)
08:38 fluffypony also because of the way animals are treated
08:38 fluffypony even the ones that aren't used for meat
08:38 thickasthieves yes the wife is a factor, but it was my idea to go vegan
08:39 thickasthieves i never ate much meat before i was vegetarian
08:39 fluffypony oh I was just comparing your reason to hers, I'm not vegetarian
08:39 thickasthieves yeah we dont wear leather, etc
08:40 thickasthieves i also make clear that i dont have a problem with people eating meat in and of itself
08:40 fluffypony do you tell everyone about how amazing it is being vegan and about how there's such a variety you can eat and then spend 45 minutes telling them about your vegan xxxxxx recipe?
08:40 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
08:40 mats_cd03 if it was legal and you told it was tasty, i would eat people
08:40 thickasthieves no i only talk about it when asked and always say that discalimer
08:41 fluffypony I find most vegans have a tendency to cross over that line from "oh interesting" to "ok shut up now"
08:41 fluffypony present company excluded
08:41 thickasthieves well the oh shut up now is basically ALL of what we say
08:41 thickasthieves thats why i wait to be asked
08:42 thickasthieves meat eaters dont give a shit
08:42 thickasthieves the paradigm is too separate
08:42 fluffypony yeah
08:43 thickasthieves that said, ur all fukn murderous selfish neanderthals!
08:43 thickasthieves jk!!!
08:44 fluffypony lol
08:55 mats_cd03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7XyVWgoxg
08:55 assbot Mobile network attack evolution [30c3] - YouTube
09:00 mats_cd03 http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/08/cyberattack-on-jpmorgan-raises-alarms-at-white-house-and-on-wall-street lol
09:05 thickasthieves usg is just alarmed hacker haz more dataz than them, so jelly
09:07 mats_cd03 dinosaurs, all of them
09:14 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
09:15 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 370.57, Best ask: 371.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 371.18, 24 hour volume: 33800.61916753, 24 hour low: 337.31, 24 hour high: 379.99, 24 hour vwap: 356.209134548
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09:36 kakobrekla what was the last assbot quit meassage
09:37 BingoBoingo * assbot has quit (Changing host)
09:38 kakobrekla hrm..
09:38 kakobrekla ty.
09:43 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
09:43 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 368.85, vol: 34574.72124614 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 362.011, vol: 16619.16569 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 365.8, vol: 42453.90134761 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 372.43, vol: 12.99009128 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 364.362138, vol: 75850.93770000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 14.93466583 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.42457, vol: 226.36730483 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
09:57 BingoBoingo !up hagbardgroup
10:11 hagbardgroup Thanks. I was told to lurk before speaking much, but 'hi all!'
10:14 ben_vulpes people are learning
10:14 ben_vulpes quelle suprise
10:21 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/10/8000-hacker-disclaimers.htm << mega-lol
10:25 mats_cd03 huk
10:27 nubbins` https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=124
10:27 nubbins` HIF Q3 report
10:27 nubbins` !up hagbardgroup
10:28 nubbins` maybe the shoddiest "report" i've seen outta these clowns
10:28 nubbins` they so obviously just took Q2 report and changed the details: page 3 accidentally says "2nd quarter" instead of 3rd
10:28 nubbins` P&L monthly detail shows July, August, and... June
10:29 mats_cd03 -40BTC loss ouchies
10:29 nubbins` not bad financials overall though, they only lost 40btc
10:29 mats_cd03 well, 40BTC loss.
10:29 nubbins` "lost" in this context, of course, means "paid themselves"
10:30 nubbins` 'cause sorry bru operating expenses don't ya know
10:30 nubbins` ;;seen topace
10:30 gribble topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 18 hours, 14 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <topace> heh
10:30 nubbins` ;;later tell topace why are HIF reports such embarassing pieces of shit?
10:30 gribble The operation succeeded.
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10:53 kakobrekla o hey he is still around
10:53 kakobrekla !up topace
10:57 thickasthieves yeesh cant leave trading desk for 45m!
10:57 thickasthieves ;;ticker
10:57 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.05, Best ask: 384.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.88000, Last trade: 384.93, 24 hour volume: 36349.21073683, 24 hour low: 341.13, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 360.59043127
11:00 nubbins` dude, you have a desk?!
11:00 nubbins` !up Quanttek
11:02 thickasthieves well i have two big monitors with charts on them at least
11:04 nubbins` next best thing
11:04 nubbins` i'd like a desk
11:04 nubbins` no room in the studio for one
11:06 thickasthieves so many people have been shorting on the way up, shorts at alltime high on bitfinex
11:07 thickasthieves theyre getting raped
11:08 thickasthieves this is in 2.5 hrs http://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr7010-14
11:08 assbot CFTCs Global Markets Advisory Committee to Meet October 9, 2014
11:08 Apocalyptic thickasthieves, pretty lulzy
11:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 2000 @ 0.00138002 = 2.76 BTC [-] {13}
11:17 nubbins` canadian senate committee yesterday, cftc today
11:28 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/u-s-commodity-futures-trading-commission-meeting-on-bitcoin-derivatives-today/
11:28 BingoBoingo Bam, news'd it up.
11:32 Apocalyptic "to what extent the CFTC may perceive to have juridiction on the subject." // the "perceive" word is of prime importance I suspect
11:32 nubbins` antononoypopoponpoynlyous testimony for canadian senate yesterday was pretty good
11:33 thickasthieves i havent watched that yet, but if you say it'
11:33 thickasthieves s good i will
11:34 mircea_popescu nubbins` video ?
11:34 mircea_popescu o hey there princess.
11:34 nubbins` sec
11:34 thickasthieves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM&feature=youtu.be#t=34m18s
11:34 assbot Andreas M. Antonopoulos educates Senate of Canada about Bitcoin (Oct 8, ENG) - YouTube
11:34 BingoBoingo Apocalyptic: Well, maybe someone actually bothers to call their toll free number
11:34 nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM&feature=youtu.be
11:34 assbot Andreas M. Antonopoulos educates Senate of Canada about Bitcoin (Oct 8, ENG) - YouTube
11:35 nubbins` ooooo too slow
11:35 mircea_popescu mebbe qntra publishes a summary, then i can "watch" it too
11:35 mircea_popescu !up princessnell
11:35 princessnell ty, howdy!
11:35 nubbins` mircea_popescu it's more of a radio thing than a tv thing, throw it on in the bg ;p
11:36 mircea_popescu how about you write a piece of bitcoin news and submit it to cazalla princessnell ?
11:36 mircea_popescu nubbins` noty
11:36 mircea_popescu the web is for text.
11:36 princessnell for qntra?
11:36 mircea_popescu these video heretic will all go to hell.
11:36 mircea_popescu princessnell yeah
11:36 nubbins` so subscribe to C-SPAN
11:36 nubbins` they carry that in argentina, right?
11:36 mircea_popescu i have nfi.
11:36 nubbins` wait fuck that's the usa one
11:37 nubbins` what channel do i watch my government on?
11:37 princessnell sure i'll do that now
11:37 mircea_popescu love ya.
11:37 nubbins` CPAC
11:37 mircea_popescu that sounds like the us communist party
11:37 nubbins` princessnell why not transcribe that video, it's only 2 hours long ;p
11:37 mircea_popescu why don't YOU transcribe it ?
11:38 nubbins` hmm, because i'm not in the mood to do favors?
11:38 mircea_popescu oic
11:38 nubbins` mostly because transcribing 2h of video would be an incredibly arduous task
11:40 mircea_popescu which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work.
11:40 nubbins` it's work put on someone else tho
11:40 bounce fobbing off is the thing to do
11:41 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work. << Why Vlogger's can't be relevant
11:41 BingoBoingo It's unethical to allow it
11:41 princessnell can't find the live cast
11:42 princessnell oh its not for a few hours
11:42 princessnell nm
11:42 mircea_popescu princessnell linked above neh ?
11:43 thickasthieves "that literally blew my mind" anotnononoopolpus
11:43 princessnell oh the andreas vid
11:44 nubbins` LITERALLY
11:45 nubbins` i don't think the phrase "blew my mind" has a literal meaning
11:45 nubbins` what does the verb "blow" mean in this context?
11:45 nubbins` like, you blew a gasket? your mind stopped working and a part had to be replaced?
11:46 mats_cd03 maybe hes being funny
11:46 thickasthieves "i think the most common use for bitcoin is charitable giving, donations, and tipping" antonop
11:47 thickasthieves does getting scammed fall under 'charitable giving' ?
11:47 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0WK8MAS.txt )
11:47 BingoBoingo !b 2
11:51 thickasthieves "a 10-year-old can create a (crypto)currency and that currency can be as secure as the currency created by a monarch" anotnop
11:51 thickasthieves "...and without cost"
11:51 thickasthieves this guy....
11:52 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2irnjh/us_commodity_futures_trading_commission_meeting/
11:52 assbot U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission Meeting on Bitcoin Derivatives Today : Bitcoin
11:52 nubbins` thickasthieves, but is it not true 8)
11:53 thickasthieves if it has no cost, it has no value, no security
11:54 nubbins` i believe he meant the cost of creating it
11:54 nubbins` sorta like how you paid $7.25 to get ATC made or w/e
11:54 Apocalyptic %d
11:54 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 313147.49 in 383 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.33
11:54 thickasthieves well in the context he is preaching glories of blockchain tech
11:54 thickasthieves so it is misleading
11:55 thickasthieves to say child coins are secure and no cost
11:55 nubbins` ehh, you're reading too much into it
11:55 nubbins` put another way: whether satoshi is a 10yo kid or Queen Beatrice, bitcoin is what it is
11:55 thickasthieves maybe
11:56 thickasthieves i think he conveniently glosses over the security aspects of the conversation
11:56 nubbins` it's the features, not the creator, that the relevance is applied to
11:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00074219 = 3.9707 BTC [+]
11:56 nubbins` oh sure, but that's too low-level for a senate hearing
11:56 thickasthieves he paints current infosec as hopeless
11:56 nubbins` half those people in the room don't know what the fuck a computer is
11:56 nubbins` just wait til the lady from NB starts asking questions.
11:56 thickasthieves but its also hopeless to think common men can secure their coins themselves
11:57 nubbins` agreed, 100%, and he admits as much
11:57 thickasthieves word
11:58 nubbins` it's also hopeless to think that your bank can secure your money
11:58 nubbins` difference is, banks try to make you believe the opposite
11:58 thickasthieves yeah
11:58 mircea_popescu princessnell they were discussing some testimony or w/e
11:59 nubbins` whereas btc fanatics will freak out at you and tell you that your security, no matter how tight, is brutally sub-par
11:59 thickasthieves and then they go home and use their one mobile device to log in via 2fa on same
11:59 mircea_popescu <thickasthieves> does getting scammed fall under 'charitable giving' ? <<< yes. people charitably gave to neobee so that antonoscampulous could bum ciggs off people and derp before the candian senate.
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.00097912 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 174 satoshi per share
12:00 nubbins` good thing none of us were tangled up in NEOBEE
12:00 thickasthieves pphew
12:00 nubbins` imagine the guilt at enabling
12:00 mircea_popescu well apparently the twerp has no such issue
12:01 mircea_popescu and from what i recall reading about canadian politicians, it's n o wonder they invited him
12:01 nubbins` ;;google mike duffy
12:01 gribble Mike Duffy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Duffy>; Mike Duffys: Irish Restaurant and Sports Bar - St Louis MO: <http://www.mikeduffys.com/>; Town and Country Irish Food Menu - Best Burger N St ... - Mike Duffys: <http://www.mikeduffys.com/town-country-irish-food-menu/>
12:01 mircea_popescu vermin seeking vermin and all that.
12:01 nubbins` ;;google pamela wallin
12:01 gribble Pamela Wallin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Wallin>; Pamela Wallin - Journalist, Diplomat, Entrepreneur & Author: <http://pamelawallin.com/>; Pamela Wallin says she regrets repaying Senate expenses | Toronto ...: <http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/04/24/pamela_wallin_says_she_regrets_repaying_senate_expenses.html>
12:01 nubbins` ;;google canadian senate scandal
12:01 gribble Canadian Senate expenses scandal - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Senate_expenses_scandal>; Canada Senate Scandal - Huffington Post: <http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/canada-senate-scandal/>; Senate Expense Scandal: Pictures, Videos, Breaking News: <http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/senate-expense-scandal/>
12:02 nubbins` ;;google canadian senate marijuana 2002
12:02 gribble Reports - Illegal Drugs (Special): <http://www.parl.gc.ca/SenCommitteeBusiness/CommitteeReports.aspx?parl=37&ses=1&comm_id=85>; Summary Report-final: <http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/sen/committee/371/ille/rep/summary-e.pdf>; The Special Senate Committee on Illegal Drugs: <http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/371/ille/press/04sep02-e.htm>
12:02 mircea_popescu lol
12:02 nubbins` so on, so forth
12:02 mircea_popescu so he's exactly in his proper element then.
12:02 mircea_popescu maybe they start a new innovative coinplatfromscamderpage thing
12:02 nubbins` wagging his chin at a bunch of ineffectual appointed lords?
12:02 mircea_popescu now that neobee blew up, ethereum is gone into the hole etc
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.12190364 BTC to 15`466 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
12:03 nubbins` how long would one boil a chicken breast for, i wonder
12:04 mircea_popescu ten minutes to as long you got.
12:05 nubbins` ah, pulled it out at just the right moment
12:05 nubbins` the idea is to have the middle slightly pink, so you can butterfly it and pan-fry
12:05 mircea_popescu then ten's maybe too much
12:05 BingoBoingo !up princessnell
12:06 nubbins` around seven was right. ten for a full-cook would be right on the money
12:06 nubbins` what's antonpopnopnopnopn got to do with neobee again
12:06 nubbins` i have a hard time recalling
12:07 mircea_popescu bout the same he has to do with ethereum, or bitcoin generally.
12:07 mircea_popescu he kept representing to the sort of idiots that follow him on reddit that it's a great thing.
12:08 mircea_popescu and that he's done the research for them, and all is well, a lie easy for the derps in question to swallow seeing just how lazy and stupid they are.
12:09 mircea_popescu not that the thing is peculiar to him in any sense, it's the stock in trade of any random derp aspiring to a position of political preminence without any particular skill or ability. like so : http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/
12:09 assbot These fucktards have to be immortalised, they’re worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
12:09 mircea_popescu "The Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund (BBBB) initiated a position in the Neo & Bee Payment Network (Havelock: NEOBEE) on 03/07 buying 18 shares. The fund will continue to increase this position in the near term. I love the tangibility of NEOBEE’s assets. They have brick and mortar branches and will be providing vital financial services to an area that has traditionally been “under-banked.” I must note, however, there
12:09 mircea_popescu is substantial political risk with this investment. We, as investors, do not know how the Cypriot government will act toward a new financial institution like this. This is especially true given the political turmoil occuring in Ukraine and the Crimea region."
12:10 nubbins` tangibility
12:10 mircea_popescu ikr? he loves the X word he's heard.
12:11 mircea_popescu anyway, authors being a coupla 19 yo cocklets fresh out of a stint as cook chefs, pretending to be finance this or that.
12:12 mircea_popescu but anyway, for today and as long as it lasts, antonoshithead is bitcoin's chief nigger. he's trying to parlay the nude use of words into as much free fried chicken as possible.
12:13 mircea_popescu this apparently works to some degree, he's ahead a cigarette from xanthyos' ex, and was the senate hearing catered ?
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12:13 BingoBoingo !up devthedev
12:13 devthedev Thank you
12:14 mircea_popescu how goes devthedev ?
12:14 devthedev Pretty good, how are you?
12:14 mircea_popescu i am excited!
12:14 devthedev I am too, I just saw qntra!
12:15 mircea_popescu a yeah. you wanna submit a piece ?
12:15 BingoBoingo devthedev: If you want to write for it submit a writing sample to cazalla
12:15 devthedev Will do
12:16 mircea_popescu and we say ~we~re excited. imagine what it must be like @ cazalla hq.
12:16 BingoBoingo Yeah cazalla's bunny ranch has to be popping
12:16 devthedev Ha
12:19 thickasthieves antonop transcribed himself http://antonopoulos.com/2014/10/09/canadian-senate-hearings-my-opening-remarks/
12:19 assbot Canadian Senate Hearings: My Opening Remarks | Andreas M. Antonopoulos
12:19 nubbins` heh
12:20 mircea_popescu a hey.
12:21 nubbins` the finished breast: http://imgur.com/LcKYhvp
12:21 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
12:21 thickasthieves http://player.vimeo.com/video/108268160
12:21 assbot High Speed Video Neal Stephenson Sabering a Champagne Bottle from ChefSteps on Vimeo
12:21 The20YearIRCloud Looks good nubbins`
12:21 thickasthieves frm the random dept
12:22 The20YearIRCloud i need to start on lunch soon
12:22 nubbins` don't let me stop ya
12:22 nubbins` any wild posters yet?
12:22 nubbins` forum thread's got a few of em framed
12:22 nubbins` bbl
12:22 thestringpuller dr. foreskin!!!!!
12:23 mircea_popescu nubbins` i went in there expecting chick not chicken. #scam
12:23 nubbins` 8D
12:24 thestringpuller don't chick's become chicken?
12:24 mircea_popescu only if left unsupervised for too long
12:25 thestringpuller you would think an all girls university would be a great place to recruit chicks...
12:25 thestringpuller something about dem places ain't natural
12:26 mircea_popescu they still have those ?
12:26 mircea_popescu i thought they became illegal in the us
12:26 mircea_popescu but yes, they drive each other sex crazy.
12:26 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nope, they still exist.
12:27 mircea_popescu so you can't have gentlemen's clubs but you can have all cunt university ?!
12:28 thestringpuller i think there are all male universities still around...but I don't know who would want to attend
12:28 thestringpuller and don't gentleman's club employ females?
12:28 mircea_popescu not traditionally.
12:29 thestringpuller i usually think of gentelman's club == high class strip club
12:29 mircea_popescu but you bring a good point huh. women do want to be in a flock of women. men... not so much
12:29 thickasthieves my holyoke is all female
12:29 mircea_popescu no, it's not what it is lol.
12:29 thickasthieves mt*
12:30 thickasthieves lots of girl on girl encounters
12:32 thickasthieves i just realized the cftc vid is 48h delayed :/
12:32 thickasthieves not sure if i really can handle phoning in to listen
12:33 RagnarDanneskjol I went to an all guys college for one year - there was so much ass around you wouldnt believe it. Hampden-Sydney college is surrounded by a number of all girls schools like sarah-lawrence and other schools attended by spoiled rich pure-bred top-shelf poon
12:33 thickasthieves wait then below it says live webcast
12:33 thickasthieves ok
12:34 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol a that's not so bad then
12:34 RagnarDanneskjol it worked out well - until I got expelled for fraternity shennanigans
12:35 mircea_popescu better than marrying out
12:38 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol so im confused. sarah-lawernce is afaik upstate ny. but apparently this Hampden-Sydney thing is in virginia ?
12:41 thestringpuller circle is scam? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2irice/never_using_circle_again/
12:41 assbot Never using Circle again : Bitcoin
12:41 RagnarDanneskjol no - I got confused - there is sweet briar, mary-baldwin, and a few others. I spent some time @ sarah-lawrence later on. has been quite a few years
12:42 mircea_popescu lol what is this, "if you remember the 60s you weren't there" ?
12:47 RagnarDanneskjol this is about right: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hampden-Sydney
12:47 assbot Urban Dictionary: Hampden-Sydney
12:51 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
12:51 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 382.46, Best ask: 383.67, Bid-ask spread: 1.21000, Last trade: 383.66, 24 hour volume: 37509.54242863, 24 hour low: 341.13, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 366.228446462
12:51 thickasthieves ;;estimate
12:51 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 35021382515.8 based on data since last change | 33593487461.0 based on data for last three days
12:51 thickasthieves !
12:52 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
12:52 gribble Current Blocks: 324568 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 7 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 13 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35021382515.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.03849
12:52 nubbins` ;o
12:54 TheNewDeal if it takes an hour to find each of these next blocks...
12:54 mike_c ;;tslb
12:55 mircea_popescu some blocks are harder than others!
12:55 gribble Time since last block: 10 minutes and 16 seconds
12:55 mircea_popescu "If reason and charity cannot promote the cause of truth and piety, I cannot see how it should ever flourish under the withering fires of wrath and strife". it's incredible just how much damage the 18th and 19th century heretic clubs did to the us.
12:55 mircea_popescu presbyterian, srsly ?! gtfo.
12:56 TheNewDeal love how the s&p500 is just propped up on stilts.
12:56 mircea_popescu both truth and piety are exactly the creation, both necessary and unavoidalbe, of wrath and strife. just like equilibrium in mammals is the result of muscular activity, not of silent contemplation.
12:56 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal permanently elevated plateau yo.
13:09 ben_vulpes "sarah lawrence: where the girls become women and the boys do too"
13:11 thestringpuller Hah
13:11 thestringpuller ben_vulpes made a funny!
13:18 thestringpuller !up brianhoffman
13:18 kakobrekla what was the last assbot quit msg
13:18 BingoBoingo * assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
13:19 kakobrekla ty
13:19 kakobrekla i guess i need to temporarily switch this back on
13:19 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: beat me to it
13:20 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
13:20 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.54, Best ask: 375.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.46000, Last trade: 375.0, 24 hour volume: 39347.55631242, 24 hour low: 341.13, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 366.929726172
13:26 TheNewDeal is cafe con miel popular in buenos aires?
13:27 kakobrekla http://shrani.si/f/I/xE/3ofSgtJ8/oh-my-eyes.png
13:28 kakobrekla ;;tslb
13:28 gribble Time since last block: 21 minutes and 43 seconds
13:28 kakobrekla can i get a 'B' ?!
13:29 BingoBoingo B
13:29 TheNewDeal like a block
13:29 kakobrekla can i get a 'L' ?!
13:29 BingoBoingo L
13:29 kakobrekla cool, now I only need to find OCK
13:29 kakobrekla !up ceelo
13:29 kakobrekla sing it!
13:29 thickasthieves maybe miners are colluding to stop people from selling
13:31 ceelo auth ceelo
13:31 ceelo how do u auth with gribble
13:32 kakobrekla ;;nigga please
13:32 gribble Error: "nigga" is not a valid command.
13:32 kakobrekla ah dunno
13:32 thestringpuller "that's our word. you have no business using it!"
13:32 thestringpuller ;;google family guy n-word jim
13:32 gribble N-Word Jim - Family Guy Wiki: <http://familyguy.wikia.com/wiki/N-Word_Jim>; Huck Griffin - Family Guy Wiki: <http://familyguy.wikia.com/wiki/Huck_Griffin>; "Family Guy" I Am Peter, Hear Me Roar (TV Episode 2000) - Quotes ...: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0576941/quotes>
13:32 ceelo ;;auth ceelo
13:32 gribble Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
13:32 kakobrekla ceelo http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
13:32 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
13:33 TheNewDeal ceelo green?
13:33 ceelo thx
13:33 thestringpuller that would be dope if Ceelo came into the channel.
13:33 thestringpuller sing us a song
13:33 kakobrekla ceelo blue until he gets in the wot
13:33 TheNewDeal hahahaha
13:33 kakobrekla !up ceelo
13:34 thickasthieves cftc wont be discussing bitcoin til 345
13:35 thickasthieves 100min
13:37 TheNewDeal is obama going to make an appearance and finally get paid for http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#b4?
13:37 assbot BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015 :: 0.31 B (44%) on Yes, 0.4 B (56%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 23`231 (100`000 to 1)
13:37 ceelo how do you get 'in the wot'
13:37 TheNewDeal read that article
13:37 ceelo found it
13:37 ceelo cool
13:39 TheNewDeal ;;tslb
13:39 gribble Time since last block: 22 minutes and 14 seconds
13:43 thestringpuller %tslb
13:43 atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block (#45986): 0 hour(s), 48 minutes
13:48 BingoBoingo thickasthieves: is HIF Havelock itself?
13:50 assbot ceelo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
13:50 ceelo lol
13:51 kakobrekla yes well everyone started with 0
13:51 ceelo yeye
13:56 thestringpuller that was quick ceelo
13:57 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: yea HIF is the Havelock itself
13:57 kakobrekla http://imgur.com/blog/2014/10/09/introducing-gifv/?forcedesktop=1
13:57 assbot Introducing GIFV – Imgur Blog
14:00 thickasthieves BingoBoingo> thickasthieves: is HIF Havelock itself? // can you clarify?
14:00 BingoBoingo Does havelock trade on havelock as hif?
14:01 thickasthieves yes
14:01 thickasthieves it
14:01 thickasthieves it's the same owner as CBTC
14:02 thickasthieves sry
14:02 thickasthieves not that
14:02 thickasthieves same owner as CFIG
14:02 thickasthieves who i suspect is same owner as 1BTCXE
14:03 thickasthieves suspect/assume
14:07 kakobrekla !up ceelo
14:07 kakobrekla !up dnaleor
14:07 kakobrekla !up ivok
14:08 ivok hello everyone :) to use my voice
14:08 * ivok goes back to lurking
14:09 kakobrekla hehe
14:10 mircea_popescu !up ceelo
14:11 mircea_popescu lol
14:15 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: as earnings / div come from resolved, not confirmed. << good point ok
14:16 kakobrekla 'good point ok' is my middle name.
14:19 TheNewDeal .98% , just wow
14:23 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
14:23 gribble Current Blocks: 324578 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 2013 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 13 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1.13932137867e+11 | Estimated Percent Change: 225.49731
14:24 mike_c cracked 250 exahash. this is getting out of hand.
14:25 TheNewDeal phash?
14:25 mike_c er, not exa
14:25 BingoBoingo ;;nethash
14:25 gribble 241177197.882
14:26 TheNewDeal i remember there was ~280 a few weeks ago?
14:26 TheNewDeal may be mistaken
14:26 mike_c on short term estimates, yeah. difficulty just cracked 250 phash tho
14:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.59699953 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share
14:27 mircea_popescu .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
14:27 mircea_popescu !up deedbot
14:27 mircea_popescu .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
14:27 deedBot deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
14:27 deedBot Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
14:27 mircea_popescu oh. sheit.
14:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 56.42232407 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share
14:39 mpoe ;;eregister mpoe EE2BDEF602DD2D91
14:39 gribble Request successful for user mpoe, hostmask mpoe!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/EE2BDEF602DD2D91
14:41 TheNewDeal !up ceelo
14:42 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/ulbricht-attorneys-file-response-to-government/
14:42 TheNewDeal next change is going to be giant
14:42 TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats
14:42 gribble Current Blocks: 324579 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 2012 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 3 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 70004998058.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 100.0001
14:43 mpoe ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e84e5e818cd8d59b7a141cdf633cc6656f3ef0943fca7dc9139d4e2a
14:43 gribble Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user mpoe with key EE2BDEF602DD2D91
14:43 mircea_popescu ;;ident
14:43 gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mpoe', with GPG key id EE2BDEF602DD2D91, key fingerprint 2A4A728F75668B50162D4F13EE2BDEF602DD2D91, and bitcoin address None
14:44 mircea_popescu ;;ident
14:44 gribble Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
14:44 mircea_popescu .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
14:44 deedBot deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
14:44 deedBot Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
14:45 mircea_popescu ;;rate mpoe 1 Current MPEx account for #bitcoin-assets deed purposes
14:45 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mpoe has been recorded.
14:45 mircea_popescu .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
14:45 deedBot deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
14:45 deedBot Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
14:45 mircea_popescu ah lag mkay.
14:46 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: i just got used to being poor again what is this <<< ikr? me too!
14:48 mircea_popescu thickasthieves: i could get more into it, but mostly people dont give a shit << actually i think most serious animalagans eat freeranged.
14:50 mircea_popescu thickasthieves: usg is just alarmed hacker haz more dataz than them, so jelly <<< AAAANNDD they don't even quote trilema. not like it's been a secret over here, for the past half year or so.
14:50 mircea_popescu .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
14:50 deedBot deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
14:50 deedBot Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
14:50 mircea_popescu hm.
14:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15915 @ 0.00074175 = 11.805 BTC [-] {2}
14:51 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/10/09/nobel_prize_winner_patrick_modiano_s_wikipedia_page_changed_to_add_note.html
14:51 assbot Nobel prize winner Patrick Modiano’s Wikipedia page changed to add note to “the reporter now copying from Wikipedia” (PHOTO).
14:51 thickasthieves this Ulbricht response update is the first juicy thing I saw on qntra first, grats!
14:51 TomServo ^
14:51 BingoBoingo thickasthieves: Yw
14:52 * thickasthieves reads left side of monitor.
14:52 BingoBoingo lol
14:53 devthedev Lol
14:53 devthedev Nicely written Bingo
14:53 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Bam, news'd it up. <<< gotta love this guy
14:54 mike_c hehe, i scooped the lawyers yesterday: "It apparently confuses php with MySQL"
14:54 thickasthieves bingo your text is jacked
14:54 thickasthieves incomplete sentences and such
14:54 thickasthieves jumping or something
14:55 mircea_popescu okies, logs done, discussions had, havoc caused, work reviewed (btw the eulora art is looking wunderbar) and so i guess ima bbl.
14:56 mike_c thickasthieves: the pdf is no better
14:57 thickasthieves ah shit
14:57 thickasthieves well some of it is pretty good
14:57 BingoBoingo thickasthieves: The textblock is as the pdf presented it. It is a legal format problem.
14:57 thickasthieves this is def getting interesting
14:58 thickasthieves i'd think it would be a few more pages though
14:58 thickasthieves i mean if youre already on the horse, ride it high
14:59 BingoBoingo thickasthieves: It's a defense filing. The point is to be clear. A prosecution filing though has the other perogative, to bury with text that might have meaning.
14:59 thickasthieves word
15:09 TheNewDeal somehow missed that this little cftc topic was bitcoin... gonna go brew up some popcorn, catch a few good laughs
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15:39 TheNewDeal does anyone have a link to the cftc live cast
15:43 TheNewDeal this is pissing me off
15:43 TomServo heh, I've been looking also
15:43 TheNewDeal somehow they don't know how to link to a video
15:43 thickasthieves http://www.onlinevideoservice.com/clients/cftc/video.htm?eventid=cftclive
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15:43 assbot CFTC Webcast
15:45 TheNewDeal I see people moving, but no sound?
15:46 kakobrekla id guess they took a break for smoke and pancakes
15:46 TomServo (Please continue to stand by. This meeting will begin momentarily).
15:56 kakobrekla TeraExchange self certified their Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract and it is currently listed for trading.
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15:56 kakobrekla lolk
15:57 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GVMYJR.txt )
15:57 BingoBoingo !b 2
15:59 * jurov is ashamed to not understand teh "self certified Bitcoin Non-Deliverable Forwards swaps contract"
15:59 jurov sauce?
16:00 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#866600
16:00 assbot Logged on 09-10-2014 19:43:57; thickasthieves: http://www.onlinevideoservice.com/clients/cftc/video.htm?eventid=cftclive
16:01 jurov even if i understood, i'm on mobile net atm
16:02 thickasthieves you mean what is a swap?
16:02 jurov i barely understand that..but all the adjectives
16:02 kakobrekla in short: scam
16:04 cazalla mircea_popescu: mebbe qntra publishes a summary, then i can "watch" it too <<< i can't sit and watch that guy for 2 hours
16:04 thickasthieves it means, according to provided guidelines, the exchange created a swap instrument for people to trade, hedge, and collateralize with, settled in dollars only, it's like a way to borrow bitcoin
16:06 kakobrekla without the actual bitcoin.
16:06 thestringpuller ;;gettrust thickasthieves
16:06 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user thickasthieves: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 12 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=thickasthieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thickasthieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
16:07 thickasthieves is that a fact tho kako?
16:07 thickasthieves i havent read it
16:07 kakobrekla said so like 10 times
16:07 thickasthieves hrm
16:07 kakobrekla It is a bilateral, non-cleared trade that has credit support Annex, collateral delivery by either side to support the trade.
16:07 kakobrekla It is nondeliverable. No Bitcoins exchange. This is a US cash settled forward.
16:08 thickasthieves right, but they still need bitcoins to have value on the other end
16:08 thickasthieves or am i missing something?
16:08 thickasthieves like in bitfinex it's a swap market, users provide swap offers themselves
16:08 kakobrekla afaik no
16:09 thickasthieves how does tera sell these swaps?
16:09 thickasthieves they arent worth anything
16:09 thickasthieves backed by dollars i guess
16:09 thickasthieves sounds dangerous
16:09 thickasthieves makes no sense
16:09 cazalla BingoBoingo: Yeah cazalla's bunny ranch has to be popping <<< yes it is atm, for every vegan in #b-a, a rabbit is slain with vengeance
16:10 BingoBoingo Beautiful
16:10 thickasthieves yeesh
16:10 thickasthieves such oppress
16:10 cazalla thickasthieves, they have a good life up until that point :P
16:10 thickasthieves i meant me!
16:10 devthedev Hey cazalla
16:11 cazalla what's up devthedev
16:11 devthedev Not much, how about you?
16:12 cazalla not much, 7am here so morning cuppa tea is in order
16:13 devthedev qntra's looking great so far!
16:13 cazalla yes, everyone loves how the design looks
16:13 devthedev Minimalism is the key
16:15 kakobrekla just like everyone loves that bitcoin poster.
16:17 mats_cd03 bunny ranch elicited a different imagery
16:19 kakobrekla > it can be physically delivered just for the same reason the commission recognizes physical delivery in a sense of other intangible commodities such as pollution rights
16:19 thestringpuller i didn't get to see the bitcoin poster yet
16:19 kakobrekla lol
16:19 thestringpuller ;;seen nubbins`
16:19 gribble nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <nubbins`> ;o
16:19 kakobrekla pollution rights.
16:19 TomServo kakobrekla: yeah, wtf is that?
16:20 thestringpuller ;;later tell nubbins` hey instead of refund can I just get another poster :( the USPS can't find it
16:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:20 kakobrekla well co2 indulgences
16:23 kakobrekla (just another scam fyi)
16:24 TomServo Was that ms boring?
16:36 kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/2BJ6BGJ.txt
16:36 kakobrekla thickasthieves where are the btcs?
16:41 kakobrekla >>: And one last point on that.
16:41 kakobrekla Tom Leahy mentioned earlier that TeraExchange has an information agreement with every exchange to establish index.
16:41 kakobrekla Every one of those exchanges in that agreement has agreed to supply as the details and they all do AML, KYC on all of the people trading on each of the exchanges.
16:41 kakobrekla The exchanges that do not provide us this cannot be on this. We are not ascribing to anonymous trades that are happening out in the market place.
16:44 kakobrekla --
16:44 kakobrekla >>: Who owns that protocol?
16:44 kakobrekla >>: It is open source.
16:44 kakobrekla hahaha
16:44 TomServo I wish we could've seen the face she made when Vito exclaimed "I KNOW!".
16:45 TomServo Er Brito
16:46 kakobrekla >>>: To questions. The first is how do you know there is no fraud or backdoors built in to the initial code? And then the second is if all the goodie is coming from the block chain, why not just put dollars on the block chain?
16:46 kakobrekla !!
16:46 kakobrekla wtf is this bitcoin 101 for kindergarten
16:47 mod6 hahah
16:47 TomServo okay, this is pretty good ahahaha
16:58 thickasthieves kako "but this thing that we call Bitcoin, it is the underlying asset."
16:58 kakobrekla context?
16:59 thickasthieves you quoted it
16:59 kakobrekla yeah read the whole sentence
17:00 kakobrekla its comparing other swaps
17:00 kakobrekla "but this thing that we call Bitcoin, it is the underlying asset (that isnt really there)."
17:00 kakobrekla better?
17:00 thickasthieves lol
17:02 thickasthieves well their website solicits 'liquidity providers' for the btc ndf
17:03 kakobrekla tera? they contacted me in may.
17:03 thickasthieves but they really should just say
17:04 thickasthieves if the traders are their own counterparties,i guess it works as bets pretty much
17:04 thickasthieves with tera as escrow
17:05 kakobrekla + market makers
17:05 kakobrekla so they can avoid calling themselfs a bucket shop
17:08 TheNewDeal jurov there's no reason one should ever want to understand a non-deliverable bitcoin future
17:14 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/520321317166256128
17:14 assbot CFTC met on /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash today, here's the full transcript http://t.co/Y2U8Yqudk6 /hashtag/CFTC?src=hash
17:14 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/full-transcript-of-us-commodity-and-futures-trading-commision-bitcoin-session/
17:14 TheNewDeal nice nice nice
17:15 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2isnxi/full_transcript_of_us_commodity_and_futures/
17:15 assbot Full Transcript of US Commodity and Futures Trading Commision Bitcoin Session : Bitcoin
17:15 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: This livestream actually had a decent if lagging caption stream. Figure this is a race.
17:20 TheNewDeal could you include pictures of the cftc representatives, preferably with a penned-in moustache?
17:21 BingoBoingo Live streaming widget was tiny, usually had powerpoint slides instead of people. Feared fullscreening the widget lest the text be lost.
17:32 kanzure here's my version of a transcript http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/cftc-bitcoin/
17:32 assbot cftc-bitcoin
17:32 kanzure went very poorly. those panelists were clueless.
17:33 thickasthieves yeah antonop probly coulda doon better
17:34 kanzure multiple panelists format is probably too broken anyway
17:34 kanzure because it's hard enough to get a single person that understands bitcoin
17:34 kanzure much less five separate people
17:34 kanzure and then you have message confusion....
17:35 BingoBoingo Maybe message confusion is what they want?
17:35 TheNewDeal surprised they didn't make a pitch to increase the blocksize limit
17:35 kakobrekla im not sure why are we watching some idiots learning about bitcoin on vid and doing whole conference bs and all. they should study at home, before hand, not ask stupid questions on tv.
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17:35 kanzure unfortunately it was the panelists that were learning about bitcoin
17:35 TheNewDeal those were their smartest questions possible
17:36 kanzure "how is the blockchain secured?" "well it's open source"
17:36 kanzure that is not an appropriate answer
17:36 kanzure under any circumstance
17:36 TheNewDeal consider the universally secure linux
17:36 kakobrekla "lets go to class to learn about this thing we know nothing about."
17:37 kakobrekla "and lets tape it"
17:37 kakobrekla "yeah good idea!"
17:37 kanzure that's not how public access in government works
17:37 kakobrekla "even better, live broadcast it, you can do it nowdays!"
17:37 kakobrekla it looks like what i described.
17:37 kakobrekla what it should suppose to be - nfi.
17:38 * thickasthieves agrees with kako
17:39 kanzure so you're against all federal livestreaming, or just some of it?
17:40 thickasthieves i think the whole thing was derpy is all
17:40 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#866716
17:40 assbot Logged on 09-10-2014 21:35:31; kakobrekla: im not sure why are we watching some idiots learning about bitcoin on vid and doing whole conference bs and all. they should study at home, before hand, not ask stupid questions on tv.
17:40 thickasthieves and for real, you cant learn about bitcoin before your meeting?
17:40 kanzure this wasn't a conference.
17:40 kakobrekla oh my bad, if the didnt call it a conference all bets are off
17:41 kakobrekla O_o
17:41 kanzure they had pre-reading where they studied the material given to them that described bitcoin
17:41 kanzure written by the panelists
17:41 kanzure panely-people.
17:42 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitfury-outlines-how-it-plans-to-spend-20-million/
17:42 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2014#820504
17:42 assbot Logged on 05-09-2014 17:15:16; asciilifeform: 'A Chukcha applies for membership in the Union of Soviet Writers. He is asked what literature he is familiar with. "Have you read Pushkin?" "No." "Have you read Dostoevsky?" "No." "Can you read at all?" The Chukcha, offended, replies, "Chukcha not reader, Chukcha writer!"'
17:43 Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 52(Y):48(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.54237601 BTC. Current weight: 56,714.
17:45 kanzure i said they had read it, not that they ignored it
17:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47825 @ 0.00074151 = 35.4627 BTC [-] {2}
17:57 X-Rob BingoBoingo: FYI, just had a 5 minute outage. My primary internet's been down for a day now, and my backup just glitched.
17:57 BingoBoingo X-Rob: Thanks for the heads up
17:57 X-Rob I'll try to keep an eye on it, but, all my alerting is broken because my main conneciton is down
17:58 X-Rob so.. I've discovered a flaw there 8)
17:58 cazalla ;;later tell sgarnick send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck
17:58 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:58 mircea_popescu !up deedBot
17:58 mircea_popescu .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
17:58 deedBot deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
17:58 deedBot Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PG5mdAU
17:58 mircea_popescu what the ef.
17:59 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot mpoe
17:59 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mpoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mpoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mpoe | Rated since: Thu Oct 9 14:45:18 2014
17:59 mircea_popescu o it was like once a day was it.
18:02 mircea_popescu ;;calc 172**0
18:02 gribble 1
18:02 cazalla ;;later tell sgornick send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck
18:02 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:03 TheNewDeal missed the second * and thought gribble was failing basic maths
18:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00074126 = 10.0441 BTC [-]
18:11 BingoBoingo So far qntra's bigger in Kenya than South Africa.
18:11 mircea_popescu lol
18:11 mircea_popescu o, hey, first day results are in huh /
18:12 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not on quantcast yet
18:12 mircea_popescu a
18:13 mircea_popescu apparently there exists a pntra.com
18:17 X-Rob 373 blocks until difficulty changes
18:17 X-Rob yay!
18:21 mircea_popescu http://airs.com/ian/essays/stock/stock.html
18:24 mircea_popescu an interesting alternative entry point into the theory of teh bezzle
18:27 thestringpuller ;;ticker
18:27 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.0, Best ask: 360.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 360.85, 24 hour volume: 47558.47213155, 24 hour low: 348.3, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 368.563472311
18:31 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#866357 << not xanthyos; an associate of ours
18:31 assbot Logged on 09-10-2014 16:13:02; mircea_popescu: this apparently works to some degree, he's ahead a cigarette from xanthyos' ex, and was the senate hearing catered ?
18:31 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: do you have a sample script for the bitcoin cartoons?
18:31 mircea_popescu danielpbarron guy said it was his ex gf
18:32 mircea_popescu thestringpuller nope. it was inteded as open mic here, if the guy were interested.
18:32 danielpbarron ya, that guy's ex; not xanthyos'
18:32 mircea_popescu danielpbarron hence " from xanthyos' ex" you see
18:35 BingoBoingo Since kakobrekla prolly wants to see it again: * assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
18:37 kakobrekla hehe thanks BingoBoingo - i now enabled those messages temporarily so i am able to follow
18:40 BingoBoingo You're welcome. I just thought... Maybe you'd wait until the polar bears all became exclusively aquatic before ever watching join/parts
18:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/mlg-bitcoin-company/
18:45 kakobrekla BingoBoingo its not for long :)
18:45 kakobrekla but yeah, i feel remembered that i dont miss em.
18:49 kakobrekla much less doormany.
18:51 BingoBoingo It's the price of not being poor like earier this week
18:52 BingoBoingo %d
18:52 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 313712.44 in 372 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.30
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19:14 gabriel_laddel !s rabbits
19:14 assbot 138 results for 'rabbits' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=rabbits
19:21 BingoBoingo !s manul
19:22 assbot 245 results for 'manul' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=manul
19:28 mircea_popescu ;;seen pankkake
19:28 gribble pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 9 hours, 47 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
19:28 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitstash-kickstarter-campaign-begins-october-22nd/
19:29 cazalla speaking of rabbits, how about i turn these http://i.imgur.com/5Tk3rhN.jpg into some gloves for thickasthieves, where da white wommenz at btw
19:29 Bitcoin_Eric lol
19:34 thestringpuller Blockchain.info advertised a scam bitcoin investment site called Hashprinme.com as one of its partners, allowing it to steal over $100,000 USD simply by using Blockchain's reputation to mislead its victims as a legitimate investment company...SHAME ON YOU, BLOCKCHAIN!
19:34 thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2iq367/blockchaininfo_advertised_a_scam_bitcoin/
19:34 assbot Blockchain.info advertised a scam bitcoin investment site called Hashprinme.com as one of its partners, allowing it to steal over $100,000 USD simply by using Blockchain's reputation to mislead its victims as a legitimate investment company...SHAME ON YOU, BLOCKCHAIN! : Bitcoin
19:34 thestringpuller ugh fucking copy paste thing
19:40 xanthyos jan hooks is dead.
19:40 xanthyos the comedy world shrugs
19:42 thestringpuller Weird
19:42 thestringpuller BitStash and trezor huh
19:43 thestringpuller The second one of those gets hacked....
19:44 RagnarDanneskjol !up deedbot
19:44 RagnarDanneskjol .deed http://pastebin.com/gStPn3i2
19:44 assbot S.BBET float - Pastebin.com
19:44 deedBot deed EE2BDEF602DD2D91 not trusted.
19:44 deedBot Found 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/gStPn3i2
19:44 assbot S.BBET float - Pastebin.com
19:45 RagnarDanneskjol hmm. thought maybe the raw patse link was issue
19:52 mircea_popescu !up Flyer9933
19:53 mircea_popescu cazalla shit they're cute.
19:53 thestringpuller ;;ticker
19:53 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 364.68, Best ask: 364.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 364.68, 24 hour volume: 47802.41474800, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 368.330477846
19:53 mircea_popescu !up mechtronic2001
19:55 thestringpuller !up Jezzz
19:55 Jezzz thx thestringpuller
19:56 mircea_popescu http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << check it out kakobrekla, like the first time in history that the left pane is full, 100 entries past week
19:56 assbot #bitcoin-assets stats
19:56 kakobrekla first time after +m maybe
19:57 mircea_popescu mnop
19:57 kakobrekla pretty sure it was full even before
19:57 mircea_popescu hmm i guess looking at the graphs it hadda been
19:57 mircea_popescu a well.
20:01 mircea_popescu !up hagbardgroup
20:02 hagbardgroup (Still reading through tutorial material)
20:03 mircea_popescu good for you.
20:03 mircea_popescu "The biggest thing you can write in C++ is... also an operating system. Well, maybe a little bigger. Let's say three times bigger. Or even ten times. But operating system kernels are at most, what, maybe a million lines of code? So I'd argue the biggest system you can reasonably write in C++ is maybe 10 million lines, and then it starts to break down and become this emergent thing that you have no hope of controlling,
20:03 mircea_popescu like the plant in Little Shop of Horrors. Feeeeeed meeeeeee...
20:03 mircea_popescu If you can get it to compile by then, that is.
20:03 mircea_popescu We have 50 million lines of C++ code. No, it's more than that now. I don't know what it is anymore. It was 50 million last Christmas, nine months ago, and was expanding at 8 million lines a quarter. The expansion rate was increasing as well. Ouch."
20:04 mircea_popescu guy who work[ed?] at amazon.
20:04 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: steve yegge?
20:04 mircea_popescu seriously, 50mn lines of code ? there's no need to write 50 mn lines of code. for anything.
20:04 mircea_popescu god himself uses fewer than 50mn lines of code
20:04 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel exactly.
20:07 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: Funny little bit of history. Steve Y. goes on and on and on about how C++, java, etc. (algol derivatives) predictably create massively bloated codebases, gives lip service how Lisp solves these problems (which is does) and then goes back to... writing in ~ALGOL. (I asked a Googler who was recently on the same team as Steve what language they worked in - Java.)
20:07 mircea_popescu https://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/tour-de-babel << the origin.
20:07 assbot tour-de-babel - steveyegge2
20:08 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel why do you think that is ?
20:09 gabriel_laddel He got old and fat, making a change was too much for him. He says that there are 'problems' with (common) lisp. http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html
20:09 assbot Stevey's Blog Rants: Lisp is Not an Acceptable Lisp
20:09 kakobrekla cause they code for living
20:10 gabriel_laddel Silicon valley is basically just a slightly more white version of (¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.-> [ Luxor Centre For Businessmen ] <-.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯)
20:10 mircea_popescu o.o you got that saved ?
20:10 gabriel_laddel yeah.
20:10 mircea_popescu now is this kinda like c or kinda like lisp, you'd say ?
20:11 gabriel_laddel Anything ~ALGOL derived.
20:11 mircea_popescu no. i mean the fact that you have a string stored, and an apparatus to retrieve and use it in place.
20:12 gabriel_laddel Lisp thing. Emacs gave it to me in.... less than 3 seconds.
20:12 mircea_popescu through a string of perl ?
20:12 gabriel_laddel C-b ".notes" C-r "luxor"
20:12 gabriel_laddel (C-<whatever> meaning 'control' + whatever)
20:13 mircea_popescu ah but this is only half the story. you also saved it there, and saved the "notes" string somewhere etc.
20:13 mircea_popescu admire the pile of crap that the whole software involved is.
20:14 gabriel_laddel I don't understand what you're getting at. (emacs) Lisp still has to store things in files.
20:14 mircea_popescu in other words, back to the topic : i think the people arguing that c is just the way to talk to the c-machine, aka von neumann machine have it wrong - c is just the way average people abstract. fortunately that fit into an already existing machine, but if it hadn't it'd have been forcibly fit anyway.
20:14 danielpbarron ;;gettrust gabriel_laddel
20:14 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask gabriel_laddel!~user@c-67-161-28-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user gabriel_laddel: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=gabriel_laddel | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gabriel_laddel | Rated since: Sun Aug 3 11:48:26 2014
20:16 danielpbarron oh, new guy :D
20:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00074253 = 17.7093 BTC [+] {2}
20:19 thestringpuller !s MPEX PAID
20:19 assbot 83 results for 'MPEX PAID' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=MPEX+PAID
20:21 mod6 lol 8m additional lines per q!? that's just nuts
20:21 mircea_popescu mod6 no, it's "an economy". imagine, that's the bread of what, 500 derps ?
20:21 mircea_popescu at least. fifty idiots get to go around telling young women about their imminent promotion to higher-middle manager because of it
20:22 mod6 haha, staggers the imagination
20:22 mod6 and you're right, 50m lines of code? that does what!!?
20:22 mircea_popescu the only conceivable purpose i can see for government would be to allocate limits. you want to write a facebook ? register with govt, get a 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot.
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20:22 mircea_popescu after they're done with congress. "all laws fit in 500 pages. you want new ones ? delete old ones."
20:23 mircea_popescu enforced brevity ftw.
20:23 mod6 some kinda hard-limit ya
20:26 thestringpuller ;;gettrust nanotube
20:26 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nanotube: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 14 via 10 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nanotube | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nanotube | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:14:09 2010
20:26 mircea_popescu how the hell did he get under 1
20:26 thestringpuller /window 42
20:27 mircea_popescu a nm
20:28 pete_dushenski howdy.
20:28 pete_dushenski TheNewDeal: surprised they didn't make a pitch to increase the blocksize limit << lol
20:30 mod6 saw a lot of action on your blog about that topic btcpete
20:31 mircea_popescu "Perl has the best marketing in the world. You could write a book about how brilliant their marketing is. Sun has marketed Java with money, and Perl is almost keeping up, popularity-wise, purely on the on sheer marketing brilliance of Larry Wall and his buddies. Folks at Harvard Business School should study Perl's marketing. It's astonishing."
20:31 mircea_popescu shit i wasn't aware anyone realised this
20:32 pete_dushenski mod6: ya, it was a fun last 48 hours :)
20:33 pete_dushenski 3000+ words of comments
20:33 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski anything good ?
20:33 pete_dushenski hmm. let me see if i can dig up a quote or two worth repeating...
20:34 asciilifeform there's no need to write 50 mn lines of code. for anything. <<<<<
20:34 pete_dushenski this one by "zeke" was decidedly luzly from a few angles:
20:35 pete_dushenski "Gavin has done quite a lot for the bitcoin project, and is one of the few people who can credibly represent it to lay people. Still, I agree with the Romanian school inasmuch as the blockchain increase seems unnecessary and potentially disastrous to me. It’s inviting a fork that will not be honored by a large portion of the current hash power, and the current wallet balance. Thus it is a Bad Idea. What about side
20:35 pete_dushenski chains, and all the other ways that BTC can grow in real transaction volume?"
20:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: shit i wasn't aware anyone realised this << naggum did.
20:35 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu you are now the bearer of "the romanian school" torch!
20:35 pete_dushenski also, what fuckin sidechainz amirite
20:35 mircea_popescu o the romanian school is it ?
20:36 mircea_popescu fucking hell romania is going to end up accidentally famous by mistake.
20:36 mircea_popescu typical for that place.
20:36 pete_dushenski lol
20:36 pete_dushenski who says mistake?
20:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform did anyone write a full analysis of it, or just mention it in passing ?
20:36 pete_dushenski let's work from causes, neh?
20:36 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski by mistake as in, gavin fucked up.
20:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: naggum never wrote a full anything, afaik, apart from 'a long and painful history of time'
20:37 pete_dushenski aic ya that's way funnier :D
20:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but three or four of his posts add up to a sort of treatise on perl
20:37 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski wouldja consider adding a recent comments list ?
20:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i mean specifically the marketing of.
20:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: c is just the way average people abstract << if only. invited to reread the infamous 'the camel has two humps.'
20:38 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol funny you should mention that… i was toying around with that this morning, trying to add a second sidebar column a la trilema and… i fucking borkt the whole thing.
20:39 pete_dushenski thankfully, i had made a back-up but i was pretty choked for a minute cuz the auto-save didn't include that last article about gavin's retardation
20:39 pete_dushenski but all is well now!
20:39 asciilifeform (short version of 'the camel' - prospective 'comp sci' students were given tests on basic things, e.g., 'a = 1, b = 2, a + b = ?' - and they separated into 2 groups, ones who had correct answrs. or at least consistent misconceptions - and ones who did not. the latter - turned out, unsurprisingly, to be unteachable.)
20:41 pete_dushenski ok. 5 recent comments added below the recent articles.
20:41 pete_dushenski still single sidebar
20:41 asciilifeform 'thing you can write in C++ is... also an operating system...' << winblows.
20:44 pete_dushenski http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amid-buyback-backlash--what-else-can-slow-growing-ibm-or-bed-bath-do-163617528.html << those stilts.
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20:45 mircea_popescu "It doesn’t matter what the minors feel like “honoring.” The miners will follow the full nodes; they won’t waste energy mining the fork when its coins aren’t worth the time it takes to send them to an exchange." danielpbarron << all the miners run (multiple) full nodes.
20:46 mircea_popescu this is the ad-hoc, market driven fix to the problem of node disenfranchisement as ordained by his satoshiness.
20:46 mircea_popescu (there's an extra bit in there, where people with a lot of exposure, financial, intellectual, emotional, w/e also run full nodes - but generally they also won't be following patently insane notions a la "let's make the blocks infinite")
20:47 asciilifeform (obligatory: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3068978379837591@naggum.no.html << re c++)
20:47 assbot Re: Prolog vs. Lisp - Naggum cll archive
20:49 mircea_popescu "To soften my comment, I would not want to replace Gavin with some loony that thinks the USG is competent enough to undermine bitcoin in any organized way. All this talk about Mike and Gavin being stooges is absurd, and undermines my respect for much of the other (very insightful) stuff you guys write on the Internet. They can be wrong, without being corrupt."
20:49 mircea_popescu o.O
20:49 asciilifeform how can one even make, with any serious logical certainty, a statement like 'i have one bitcoin' without running a full node?
20:49 asciilifeform (or at least, having a very good friend who does)
20:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how does one say "i have a wife" ?
20:50 pete_dushenski ha!
20:50 mircea_popescu "these are my children" ? "this is my house". most property owners don't own their own torens title bureaus
20:50 pete_dushenski not, i suppose, as opposed to saying "a wife has me"
20:51 pete_dushenski "i have a car" (on lease for 48 months)
20:51 pete_dushenski at least most people have their clothes and the groceries in their fridges
20:52 pete_dushenski not that they're wise enough to brag about it
20:52 asciilifeform slightly different situation here. btc user without full node is just as likely to be walking around in a barrel, deluded by dope into thinking he's driving a car (like the characters in s. lem's 'futurological congress')
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20:53 asciilifeform then again, world is full of bastard children and questionable wives, so perhaps similar.
20:53 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ty for another comment! that post deserves a plaque for the names it's attracted.
20:56 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski there, enjoy one more then. http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-29734
20:56 assbot How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
20:57 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol. nice.
20:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot << chuck moore (of 'forth' fame) seems kinda in favour of this. as am i. a kind of 'environmentalism' i've been advocating for many years (intellectual pollution doesn't blacken mere lungs. it makes everybody - stupider. measurably.)
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20:58 pete_dushenski also the gap between brk-a and btc narrowed by, what, 5% today?
20:58 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
20:58 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 365.81, Best ask: 366.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 366.4, 24 hour volume: 47259.77924389, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 369.139461234
20:58 mircea_popescu lol i stand to make a pretty penny there, don't i.
20:59 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: off like a bandit.
20:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd rather sit in a hazmat suit and read good prose than live in a meadow of paper.
21:00 asciilifeform ^
21:00 mircea_popescu !up Sweeters
21:01 pete_dushenski man the recent comments on this theme are fugly. all title and no text. wtf.
21:03 mircea_popescu "Every 15 years or so, languages are replaced with better ones. C was replaced by C++, at least for large-scale application development by people who needed performance but desperately wanted data types too. C++ is being replaced by Java, and Java will doubtless be replaced with something better in seven years — well, seven years after it finishes replacing C++, which evidently hasn't fully happened yet, mostly becau
21:03 mircea_popescu se Microsoft was able to stall it before it became ubiquitous on the desktop. But for server-side applications, C++ is basically on its way out."
21:03 mircea_popescu way to be wrong.
21:03 asciilifeform 'better ones' << mega-lol
21:03 mircea_popescu turns out that C/C++ are sorta like me. keep being "in the process of" being superseeded periodically, then the would-be revolutionizer dies.
21:03 mircea_popescu "Perl will be gone soon, too. That's because a new language called Ruby has finally been translated into English."
21:04 mircea_popescu irl, ruby got raped with an insecurity stick almost as big as my schlong, and perl still reigns
21:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: then the would-be revolutionizer dies << notice, no new machines.
21:04 asciilifeform (because those cost actual money to build, among other reasons)
21:04 mircea_popescu myeah.
21:04 mircea_popescu well, luckily you're not a codger, so who knows what the future brings.
21:05 asciilifeform 'don't wait for bus, you might be the driver' etc
21:17 mod6 ;;bc,stats
21:17 gribble Current Blocks: 324627 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1964 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43040927023.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.96536
21:20 mod6 %v
21:20 atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 180 Ask: 225 Last Price: 255 30d-Vol: 174k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 199
21:21 mircea_popescu like the world's most stable altcoin
21:21 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/internet-watch-foundation-claims-bitcoin-increasingly-used-to-purchase-cp/
21:21 asciilifeform quite a few are stable at 0...
21:22 kakobrekla hehe
21:24 mircea_popescu now this is true
21:26 mircea_popescu ;;seen bluemeanie
21:26 gribble I have not seen bluemeanie.
21:26 mircea_popescu ;;seen bluemeanie1
21:26 gribble I have not seen bluemeanie1.
21:26 mircea_popescu hm
21:26 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/#comment-58 check out the dramas.
21:26 assbot CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But News
21:30 cazalla i'm lovin' it
21:31 mircea_popescu i thought that guy was in here but apparently gribble never saw it
21:33 asciilifeform !s BlueMeanie4
21:33 assbot 817 results for 'BlueMeanie4' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=BlueMeanie4
21:33 asciilifeform (same or not? devil knows)
21:34 mircea_popescu ah ok
21:40 pete_dushenski ;;seen pankkake
21:40 gribble pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
21:40 RagnarDanneskjol I met caleb chen from ccn last weekend - seems like a nice kid and is fully cognizant of his site's derpidity - people are still eating it up, so he's all 'fuck it' - no incentive to do otherwise (besides lost dignity). apparently they have like 40 part-time writers 'on-staff'
21:41 pete_dushenski ;;later tell pankkake i'm getting the following error running your node.sh script: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: udev : Breaks: plymouth (< 0.9.0-7) but 0.8.5.1-5 is to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." << please to help!
21:41 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:43 pete_dushenski and ima a be off to the racquet club!
21:53 cazalla RagnarDanneskjol, that's interesting
22:01 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol so maybe have him drop by
22:01 mircea_popescu !up gabriel_laddel
22:02 mircea_popescu ;;seen BlueMeanie4
22:02 gribble BlueMeanie4 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <BlueMeanie4> hello from Murica
22:02 RagnarDanneskjol will do
22:02 mircea_popescu ;;later tell BlueMeanie4 so what about that nxt/devwork story ?
22:02 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:08 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#866880 << never thought i'd see the day mircea_popescu suggested government intervention on anything
22:08 assbot Logged on 10-10-2014 00:22:32; mircea_popescu: the only conceivable purpose i can see for government would be to allocate limits. you want to write a facebook ? register with govt, get a 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot.
22:09 mircea_popescu saying that the only thing this apple's good for is the pigs doesn't amount to a suggesting feeding the pigs.
22:09 gabriel_laddel ;; google 3 generations of imbeciles was is enough
22:09 gribble Buck v. Bell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell>; “Three Generations of Imbeciles Are Enough” - Genomics Law Report: <http://www.genomicslawreport.com/index.php/2009/06/25/three-generations-of-imbeciles-are-enough/>; Eugenics: Three Generations, No Imbeciles: Virginia, Eugenics ...: <http://exhibits.hsl.virginia.edu/eugenics/>
22:10 mircea_popescu "(yeah, there are a bunch) are going to have to realize that if Lisp is ever going to be massively successful, it needs an overhaul. Or maybe a revolution. Contrary to what some might tell you, it doesn't need a committee, and it doesn't need a bunch of money. Linux proved exactly the opposite. Lisp needs a benevolent dictator. Lisp needs to ditch the name "Lisp", since it scares people. And Lisp needs to learn from th
22:10 mircea_popescu e lessons of the 45 years of languages that have followed it."
22:10 mircea_popescu this is an interesitng theory. i suspect it's actually true.
22:11 asciilifeform one problem - there is not actually a programming language called 'lisp'.
22:11 asciilifeform not since 1962 or so.
22:11 thestringpuller common lisp
22:11 thestringpuller lol
22:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform he makes this point yes.
22:11 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I doubt this very much. 'Lisp' simply needs managers to understand why they should order those not good enough to sling dope to write it.
22:11 mircea_popescu thestringpuller "other than being uncommon, common lisp is also not lisp"
22:12 thestringpuller yea, which is funny.
22:12 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel in practice that sort of manager is a dictator.
22:12 thestringpuller or at least to me.
22:12 thestringpuller those not good enough to sling dope...that sounds familiar...
22:13 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: not necessarily. middle management worldwide likes java... why?
22:13 gabriel_laddel one argument,
22:13 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69
22:13 assbot Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs.
22:13 gabriel_laddel ;; google site: loper-os.org where lisp fails
22:13 gribble Loper OS: <http://www.loper-os.org/>; Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69>; Loper OS » Lisp: <http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=33>
22:13 asciilifeform lol!
22:13 mircea_popescu because marginal hires won't ruin your codebase quite as badly ?
22:14 ben_vulpes marginal hires have a hard time hacking it in lisp shops.
22:14 gabriel_laddel does anyone really think that an extra 8mm LoC per quarter is ''not ruining things quite as badly?'
22:14 ben_vulpes imposes this floor on hire quality, reduces need to hire as rapidly.
22:14 ben_vulpes 'course to leverage that, you gotta use the thing everywhere. makes it hard for the polyglot shop.
22:15 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel you kidding ? i doubt anyone even keeps track of mn granulairty.
22:16 asciilifeform the whole concept of vast galley of slaves, fungible, working on a massive codebase, is fundamentally braindamaged.
22:16 ben_vulpes ^^
22:16 decimation I was cursing python's inability to easily rewrite itself today
22:16 ben_vulpes "9 women, 1 month"
22:16 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: people not keeping track of this is the problem.
22:16 asciilifeform once grasp this, the only thing left is instrument for maximizing - at the cost of burned orphanages of any and all kinds, dead puppies, kittens - abilities of individual man.
22:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it'd better be because im betting on it getting blown out of the water.
22:16 mircea_popescu and it's the one bet i'm least confident about.
22:17 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: exactly.
22:17 mircea_popescu well boys, this approach of yours has only the minor disadvantage that it goes exactly against the constitution of the city you live in.
22:17 gabriel_laddel time for towns then, no?
22:18 mircea_popescu it's not even a felony, it's outright treason.
22:18 mircea_popescu sure.
22:18 gabriel_laddel !s terry a davis
22:18 assbot 0 results for 'terry a davis' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=terry+a+davis
22:19 mircea_popescu i like how the b-a search function is self healing. not found anything ? try again!
22:20 asciilifeform !s templeos
22:20 assbot 3 results for 'templeos' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=templeos
22:20 asciilifeform there we go.
22:20 decimation the problem with lisp is that it is alient to the modern c-machine, especially the multi-core variety
22:20 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846772
22:20 assbot Logged on 27-09-2014 03:28:42; asciilifeform: decimation: 'crazy' is the reason he actually got to work!
22:20 gabriel_laddel It's a pity Terry doesn't frequent #b-a
22:21 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel can always drop him an invite.
22:21 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: nah. he mostly posts output from his biblical shannonizer.
22:21 asciilifeform literally.
22:21 asciilifeform (his gizmo comes with a 'talk with god' proggy)
22:21 mircea_popescu decimation i don't get this. all machines are multi-core
22:21 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoinezy-claims-ezy-bit-is-a-one-stop-shop-for-new-users/
22:22 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: have you spoken with him privately / had to filter his comments on loper?
22:22 mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo for the record, i like the slightly skeptical tone of qntra reporting. tech reporting has been awash in gushing for too damned long. some classical skepticism is in dire need.
22:22 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: he commented once, saying i must have stolen his name
22:22 decimation http://xahlee.info/comp/Guy_Steele_parallel_computing.html
22:22 assbot Guy Steele on Parallel Programing: Get rid of cons!
22:22 cazalla btw, dude that runs that ezybit ran a now defunct seo company lol
22:23 asciilifeform (which was nonsense, i stole it long, long ago from clifford simak's 'city.')
22:23 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: Ah. In any case, imo he'
22:23 gabriel_laddel s more entertaining than say ninjashotgun
22:23 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel
22:23 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask gabriel_laddel!4441a914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.65.169.20. Trust relationship from user assbot to user gabriel_laddel: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=gabriel_laddel | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gabriel_laddel | Rated since: Sun Aug 3 11:48:26 2014
22:23 gabriel_laddel certainly more talented.
22:24 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel you know how to use this thing to self voice ?
22:24 gabriel_laddel yes
22:24 decimation mircea_popescu: The Register is the only non-pure-pr tech news source that I know of
22:24 asciilifeform i still have no idea if he's an actual nutter or merely playing the part so he gets to eat.
22:24 asciilifeform hell knows, people do odder things, to eat without having to slave.
22:24 mircea_popescu decimation and, note, they also display the mild, 1700s skepticism.
22:25 decimation yeah that's true, need more of that around
22:25 decimation http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/10/amazon_retail_store/
22:25 assbot Sh** just got real: Amazon to open actual shop in New York City The Register
22:25 decimation amazon has jumped the shark
22:26 gabriel_laddel decimation: re, the problem with lisp... this isn't CL's problem, and not a real problem anyway. Compare to writing ~ALGOL on c-machine.
22:28 decimation ?? what part isn't the problem? 'automatic parallel-ization?
22:29 gabriel_laddel you're claim is that the problem with lisp is that it's not built for the c-machine. my point is that even on c-machines it's still better than anything else out there.
22:30 decimation that might be true, I'm not sure I can contain the set of all possible languages in my brain
22:30 gabriel_laddel elaborate..?
22:30 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: tricky bit here. until rather recently (2009-ish) this was debatable (sparse ecosystems of publicly-available libraries in cl to deal with unfortunately ubiquitous crud like www)
22:31 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: I see. What I don't understand is why CLers haven't just ditched the web.
22:31 asciilifeform problem (or not problem, depending on who you are) is that most cl work was and is done by 'naggum-like' figures - that is, behind closed doors, no public derping, no 'foss'
22:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00074114 = 16.0086 BTC [-] {2}
22:31 decimation indeed, for instance from the yegge article: "We retired Mailman. That's because we have the Quality With a Name — namely, Suckiness. We suck. We couldn't find anyone who was good enough at Emacs-Lisp to make it work. "
22:32 asciilifeform again with the lisp lumping.
22:32 asciilifeform as if emacs lisp had anything whatsoever to do with common lisp other than using s-expressios.
22:32 asciilifeform *expressions
22:32 decimation python is lisp too!
22:32 decimation :)
22:32 asciilifeform let's call 'c', 'pascal', 'python', 'fortran' --> ALGOL.
22:33 gabriel_laddel done.
22:33 decimation I'm game.
22:34 asciilifeform except one problem
22:34 asciilifeform this dignified the crud with name of a mostly honourable ancestor.
22:34 decimation http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/06/sammy_splurging_on_semiconductor_fab/
22:34 assbot Hot DRAM! Samsung splurges $15 BILLION on Korean chip fab The Register
22:34 asciilifeform like calling modern euroderps 'romans' (or even 'gauls', etc)
22:34 asciilifeform the ducks may have come from the trucks, but how now.
22:35 decimation the obvious problem with derping on better hardware is the extremely high cost hurdle
22:35 mircea_popescu !up gubatron
22:35 decimation derping on c-machine is essentially free
22:36 asciilifeform i just love it when some clinical idiot decides to make inferences from his derpitudinous youth involving elisp on x86 to actual lisp on actual iron built for it
22:36 asciilifeform esp. if ignorant of the latter
22:36 mircea_popescu unfortunately ubiquitous crud like www <<< there's a major paradigm shift underplayed here. for approximately 1980 (kiler micro) to 2009, the ONLY utility of computing was www. with bitcoin, the www is a minor point, other things are major points now.
22:36 mircea_popescu and ill bbs.
22:38 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: I'm at a loss for a better name. ALGOL, ~algol or algol is fine with me. Even their honorable ancestor was part of a fruitless evolutionary tree.
22:39 decimation in case folks haven't seen the latest amusement with x86: http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/intel-underestimates-error-bounds-by-1-3-quintillion/
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22:39 assbot Intel Underestimates Error Bounds by 1.3 quintillion | Random ASCII
22:44 asciilifeform decimation: anyone who ever tries to actually use intel's trig functions - discovers this, yes.
22:44 asciilifeform aaand,
22:44 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2014#853034
22:44 assbot Logged on 01-10-2014 03:13:19; asciilifeform: phun phact. traditionally, the folks who write cpu manuals (how many people here have seen them alive? dead tree manuals) don't have access to original design specs.
22:44 asciilifeform don't say i didn't warn.
22:44 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2014#853040
22:45 assbot Logged on 01-10-2014 03:14:52; asciilifeform: so there is a mostly unwritten 'talmud' of differences between intel's manuals and the reality.
22:45 decimation asciilifeform: in this case the error was so well-publicized intel promised to... update the docs
22:45 asciilifeform etc
22:45 asciilifeform afaik they don't even sell printed docs now.
22:45 asciilifeform so, they'll update a pdf turd.
22:45 asciilifeform big fat deal.
22:46 decimation I wish I could just connect a pipe from the sse register to my own fpga machine
22:46 asciilifeform decimation: what you may not know is that intel sells this. and amd as well. for $maxint.
22:46 asciilifeform golden toilet for u.s. 'intelligence komyoonity'
22:46 decimation yeah I've heard of the 'hybrid fpga cpu' design
22:47 asciilifeform i've been trying, and failing, for some years, to get a hold of one (just one!) on the junk markets
22:47 thestringpuller ;;later tell nubbins` let me know when a good time to discuss a second order with you. i think we may have sold all 6 shirts.
22:47 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:48 decimation similar animal http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2014#795151
22:48 assbot Logged on 13-08-2014 23:40:47; decimation: http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/212001/Catapult_ISCA_2014.pdf << microserf implemented fpga co-processors for bing search, paper is mildly interesting
22:49 asciilifeform not all that similar. cpu in fpga fabric. you can do this right now
22:49 asciilifeform a few hundy of 'ebay' parts.
22:49 asciilifeform i'm assuming you want a specifically x86 variant for something.
22:50 asciilifeform because 'xilinx' sells, by the tonne, a large fpga with built in 'ppc' cores.
22:50 asciilifeform (i own several.)
22:51 asciilifeform (x86 is rather too complex to actually implement in any extant fpga and still leave room for something useful on top)
22:51 decimation I guess I was thinking of "connecting the pipes"
22:51 asciilifeform no real way of doing this at full clock
22:51 asciilifeform other than to host them on one die
22:51 asciilifeform hence the rarity.
22:52 decimation today I was using the xilinix ise - it's a piece of shit
22:52 asciilifeform aye, yes it is.
22:52 asciilifeform and there is literally no alternative (other than 'altera' - who have a considerably fouler turd)
22:53 decimation I've heard that the 'synplify' synthesizer is much better, but costs golden toilet cash
22:53 asciilifeform the serious fpga market (vs. 'lattice' & friends, who largely get used for minor glue logic) is a duopoly.
22:53 asciilifeform decimation: understand why the actual internals are secret.
22:54 asciilifeform decimation: both 'xilinx' and 'altera' make the bulk of their profit by renting out the right to use 'cores' (as they call them) - libraries, to a normal person
22:54 asciilifeform e.g., ethernet card
22:54 asciilifeform dram controller
22:54 decimation right, or softcpu with bus turd
22:54 asciilifeform mips cpu
22:54 asciilifeform etc.
22:54 asciilifeform they have literally no way of enforcing their copyright other than obfuscation
22:55 asciilifeform hence, some of the gnarliest, moving-target obfuscation in the known world.
22:55 asciilifeform (each new series of 'xilinx' chip has considerably altered internals, to make past reverser's efforts less useful)
22:56 asciilifeform basically, fpga works, but all existing high-density examples are sold by scammers of a kind - who absolutely could not abide the buyer using these items as the schoolbook promised - 'reconfigurable computer'
22:56 decimation the problem is that one must compile a secret 'talmud' of RTL that can be written which will actually work, as opposed to being valid
22:56 asciilifeform and an even gnarlier talmud of combinations that will result in anything like usable performance
22:57 asciilifeform example.
22:57 asciilifeform you can read an sdram spec by, e.g., 'micron' (i did) and implement a ddr2 sdram controller.
22:57 asciilifeform but it won't work
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22:57 asciilifeform unless you can somehow learn where the chip's fabric puts various i/o in relation to other circuitry
22:58 asciilifeform so everybody ends up using the vendor's.
22:58 decimation depressingly, this results in large-scale projects being soft-cpu sequential turds, rather than asynchronous combinatorial nets where possible
22:58 asciilifeform because fpga in the schoolbook sense is not actually available.
22:58 asciilifeform at any price.
22:58 decimation yeah ask any fpga design who have attempted to write 'ddr' interface if you want to hear sadness & tears
22:58 asciilifeform you'd have to buy 'xilinx' or 'altera' - the company - to go with the chip. and publicly gut it.
22:58 gabriel_laddel am I correct in assuming that documenting efforts in reverse engineering a particular xlinx model is illegal / will land one in trouble with usg?
22:59 asciilifeform one fellow got pretty far
22:59 asciilifeform but problem is, such efforts are quickly obsoleted.
22:59 decimation eh, I doubt usg will care much
22:59 asciilifeform as in, by the time you're done, the chip is no longer commercially available in quantity.
22:59 decimation it's more the issue ascii points out, if you want the latest shit you are out of luck
22:59 gabriel_laddel I see.
23:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25722 @ 0.00074334 = 19.1202 BTC [+] {4}
23:00 asciilifeform thing you must appreciate, if never having worked with fpga, is that they just barely work.
23:00 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: do you have a link handy for the fellow who got pretty far?
23:00 asciilifeform e.g., you can lay out the equivalent of a '486' and get around that performance, but only if you have some idea of the actual physical topology of the circuit.
23:02 asciilifeform http://code.google.com/p/debit
23:02 assbot debit - reverse-engineering tools for FPGA bitstreams - Google Project Hosting
23:02 asciilifeform and elsewhere, i forget where
23:02 asciilifeform http://www.fpgarelated.com/comp.arch.fpga/thread/62565/debit-xilinx-bitstream-decompiler-project-has-been-vanished-or-does-someone-know-the-url.php << censored now and again
23:02 assbot debit- xilinx bitstream decompiler project has been vanished? or does someone know the URL | Comp.Arch.FPGA | FPGARelated.com
23:03 decimation fyi http://www.parallax.com/microcontrollers/propeller-1-open-source
23:03 assbot Propeller 1 Open Source | Parallax Inc
23:03 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> you'd have to buy 'xilinx' or 'altera' - the company - to go with the chip. and publicly gut it. << it will happen.
23:03 asciilifeform decimation: there is no shortage whatsoever of open 'verilog' code for 10000+ things
23:03 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: decimation: thank you.
23:03 decimation yeah, some of them are useful
23:04 asciilifeform decimation: problem is lack of fpga with documented layout, so you aren't chained to a vendor's turdware.
23:04 decimation I can't imagine that this business model of making enemies of your customers will survive
23:04 mircea_popescu not with internet-connected customers. it just can;t.
23:05 asciilifeform shame fpga was invented too late for soviet version
23:05 decimation yeah that's a good point, why doesn't samsung or some chinese vendor bust this stuff up?
23:05 asciilifeform decimation: bad fit for chinese business model
23:05 decimation it's not like there's a mystery about how to design an fpga
23:06 asciilifeform decimation: have to understand what fpga is used for
23:06 asciilifeform it has very little role to play in the kind of items chicoms make
23:06 asciilifeform mostly used in miniscule runs, prototypes - where american units generally suffice
23:06 asciilifeform because it doesn't really matter what they cost
23:07 asciilifeform the kind of machine that absolutely requires an fpga - simply has not been designed yet.
23:07 asciilifeform and when designed - won't be chinese.
23:07 mircea_popescu hm.
23:09 The20YearIRCloud What kind of outlook do you guys have on silver & gold?
23:09 asciilifeform i've been working on 'genuinely' reconfigurable cpu for some years now. but, understand, most of the reading i do - is material as old as i am.
23:09 asciilifeform in ancient, dusty library.
23:09 mircea_popescu but since losethos has been mentioned : i do suspect ninjashogun is of a similar brand, without of course the technical ability.
23:09 asciilifeform because the subject 'is dead dontchaknow, study something modern like blubbazilla'
23:10 decimation asciilifeform: the related topic of asynchronous design seems to be in the same state
23:10 asciilifeform decimation: yes.
23:10 decimation 'we don't do it because no chips and tools' 'no chips and tools because no demand'
23:10 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzhRYGm_b9A
23:10 assbot TempleOS: AfterEgypt - YouTube
23:10 asciilifeform decimation: someone did build a clockless 'arm' a few years ago, an israeli firm quietly sells it for military clients, it's a footnote mostly.
23:11 asciilifeform yes it is neat
23:11 mircea_popescu !up devthedev
23:11 asciilifeform but virtually impossible, last i tried, to actually run
23:11 The20YearIRCloud clockless?
23:11 decimation these folks http://apt.cs.manchester.ac.uk/projects/processors/amulet/
23:11 assbot The Advanced Processor Technologies Group
23:11 devthedev Good evening
23:11 asciilifeform (won't go under 'vmware' or any machine i could dig up)
23:11 asciilifeform losethos ^
23:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 1 or so min. mark - the infamous 'talk to god' proggy.
23:12 mircea_popescu the whole thing looks like open transactions.
23:12 decimation The20YearIRCloud: my opinion - silver is an industrial metal, gold is going to be replaced by bitcoin in the long run but is still a reasonable altcoin - but note that it is not independent of gov'ts with big vaults of the stuff
23:13 The20YearIRCloud You think govts are honest about their gold and metal reserves? decimation
23:13 mircea_popescu it's improbable they'll move significantly either direction.
23:13 decimation The20YearIRCloud: clockless - ie no clock - a cpu which executes instructions at whatever speed its logic circuits can cycle their state
23:13 The20YearIRCloud I'm debating whether I want to get more BTC, PMs, or guns, or if I should balance what I have now a different way
23:14 The20YearIRCloud I didn't realize that it was possible to do that, are the speeds typically much higher than what their clocked counterparts are?
23:14 decimation The20YearIRCloud: they are about as honest with gold as they are with their btc holdings
23:14 mircea_popescu decimation well, no. reversedly. for instance, germany claims to hold some gold it doesn't, and doesn't claim to hold any bitcoin, tho i think they do hold some.
23:14 decimation The20YearIRCloud: they can be, but the problem is that they are 'difficult' to design because the soccer-ball-chasing-6-year-olds of academia & industry have declared the tech 'dead'
23:15 The20YearIRCloud Germany is trying to get their gold back as it was all held in Paris, london and NYC. Out of all the countries I think they have a pretty transparent gold program, and it's showing how dishonest the US is
23:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00074082 = 27.6326 BTC [-] {4}
23:15 mircea_popescu myeah.
23:15 The20YearIRCloud Isn't it the same way with large paralell programming (High multi-core stuff) as they've lagged behind on development so much that some consider it aobsolete?
23:16 decimation mircea_popescu: good point. The ongoing drama with the fed & its german gold holdings is quite amusing
23:17 decimation The20YearIRCloud: it's safe to say that writing software that makes efficient use of 'modern' multicore chip designs is not a simple undertaking
23:17 The20YearIRCloud I wish it was easier to do, that way I could run dwarf fortress in all its glory
23:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform guess what you and mr davis have in common.
23:18 decimation lol I tried to play dwarf fortress once, it seemed like a colassal waste of time, but amusing
23:18 mircea_popescu "I designed a 3 axis stepper-motor-driven milling machine 1996-1997 with a CAD/CAM package for a company I started called Home Automation and Robotic Equipment."
23:19 kakobrekla its a popular thing.
23:19 The20YearIRCloud It's fantastic, i'm told it has one of the worst learning curves even surpassing star control. But once you understand it, it's immensely fun
23:27 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
23:27 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 367.55, Best ask: 369.05, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 369.1, 24 hour volume: 47516.56487113, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 369.384866292
23:29 decimation pete's link about companies on the 'buyback treadmill' is hilarious
23:30 The20YearIRCloud buyback treadmill?
23:31 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#866926
23:31 assbot Logged on 10-10-2014 00:44:58; pete_dushenski: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amid-buyback-backlash--what-else-can-slow-growing-ibm-or-bed-bath-do-163617528.html << those stilts.
23:33 decimation large holders of bezzlars have no idea how to profitably invest them, so they just publically embezzle them
23:33 The20YearIRCloud kind of throw the entire premise out when they start talking about wealth inequality
23:33 mircea_popescu i don't get how cash distribution can be held against the management.
23:34 mircea_popescu they're overcapitalized and downsizing. what's wrong with that ?
23:34 The20YearIRCloud "It puts less money in the hands of the people that know what they're doing - the menial laborers'
23:34 decimation mircea_popescu: normally it wouldn't, unless it is supiciously coupled with said management excercising their generous options
23:34 mircea_popescu the traditional route is to pursue "sexy" mergers and go bankrupt a decade later. this is better for everyone.
23:35 mircea_popescu decimation a well that's a diff story. but the problem are the generous options then.
23:35 decimation mircea_popescu: agreed.
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23:56 asciilifeform cnc << i distinctly recall kakobrekla also has one.
23:56 asciilifeform (built)
23:58 asciilifeform http://ultrastudio.org/en/C_gate << intro to clockless for n00bs
23:58 assbot C gate - Ultrastudio.org
23:59 asciilifeform incidentally, goes great with trinary logic (how? exercise for alert reader.)
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