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00:02	danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, https://archive.is/Dwif0#selection-129.405-129.410 << should be "giving" ?
00:02	assbot	Hulk Hogan Puts Denton's Control of Gawker Media on Life Support | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcBiNM )
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00:43	mats	https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2015/06/16/remote-code-execution-as-system-user-on-samsung-phones
00:43	assbot	Remote Code Execution as System User on Samsung Phones | NowSecure Blogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1GY05fK )
00:44	mats	har
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01:08	mircea_popescu	"The only great material difference between Gawker's lines on the fappening and their publication of Bollea's tape is that while photos during the fappening were released in a decentralized manner, Gawker got to publish the Hulk Hogan sex tape first. "
01:08	mircea_popescu	heh. got 'em.
01:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30975 @ 0.00041523 = 12.8617 BTC [-] {2}
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01:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25103 @ 0.00041903 = 10.5189 BTC [+]
01:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00041344 = 26.5428 BTC [-] {2}
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02:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28527 @ 0.00041149 = 11.7386 BTC [-] {2}
02:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24873 @ 0.00040954 = 10.1865 BTC [-]
02:31	cazalla	well au signed a free trade agreement with choina today.. PM thinks we should be happy we get cheap shit from china even cheaper now or something
02:32	cazalla	http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-17/australia-and-china-sign-free-trade-agreement/6552940
02:32	assbot	Australia and China sign 'history making' free trade agreement after a decade of negotiations - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdPUx4 )
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03:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00042685 = 8.6651 BTC [+]
03:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00041132 = 5.5528 BTC [-]
03:31	mats	https://github.com/benjamingr/favicon-bug
03:31	assbot	benjamingr/favicon-bug · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYcPDo )
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04:24	mircea_popescu	cazalla it's no alternative sort of deal. the "us in south china sea" story is coming to an end this decade.
04:29	mats	usg is notoriously stubborn so please share intel with the class
04:31	mircea_popescu	no usable jet, not like carriers would be usable even if they had a jet, no money to back it all up with anyway even if they had a miracle cure for rocketry, and no brains to work the entire thing even if money were somehow to be found, as it's always found when there's brains involved.
04:31	cazalla	mircea_popescu, i'll hold you to that!
04:31	mircea_popescu	nothing too secret bout it.
04:34	mircea_popescu	next us president whoever is gonna be is going to discover a sudden fondness for russia and "move past previous difficulties", and the transition's complete : washington is now a sort of germany, in charge of a large rust bucket that doesn't much care for it.
04:34	mats	i dun see it
04:35	mircea_popescu	but you do see where it says us gdp < euro gdp yes ?
04:36	mats	usg has the next best thing to a naval base in south china sea
04:36	mats	the philippines
04:36	mircea_popescu	anything the us has is there for the taking.
04:37	mircea_popescu	were the philippines in the beijing accord btw ?
04:39	mats	im not sure what you're specifically referring to
04:39	mircea_popescu	Noynoy Aquino said that the Philippines is still considering to join AIIB. "We have not indicated that we are ready to join also. We are actually at the stage of studying the proposal to join this particular new entity."
04:39	mircea_popescu	that.
04:40	mircea_popescu	whore be milking the gringo for all he's got.
04:40	mats	oh, AIIB
04:41	mircea_popescu	japan was also considering it but then... somehow they changed their mind.
04:41	cazalla	well if it all goes to shit.. might finally find out what the yanks have been doing at pine gap all these years
04:42	mircea_popescu	eh, you might discover that chinese honeymoon much more pleasant than usg dregs.
04:42	mircea_popescu	it'll suck when your kids come of age, not next decade.
04:43	mats	i am pretty curious to see what happens to china over the next century
04:43	mats	the one child policy has serious cultural ramifications
04:44	mats	chinese females are predictably holding out longer and raising their standards, but thats still a lot of extinct lines
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04:44	mircea_popescu	you got women don't ya ?
04:45	cazalla	alotta chinese women with aussie men these days
04:45	mats	this predicament is why i have no sympathy for all the SJW whiners in USA
04:45	mats	folks have no sense of scale
04:45	mats	imagine being a chinese male with no prospects
04:45	mats	(you can't)
04:45	mircea_popescu	back in 1992 all ukrainian girls were dancing in leipzig.
04:46	mircea_popescu	give it a little, all ohio girls be dancin' in shanghai
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04:46	cazalla	yellow man, white pussy, big $$$
04:46	mircea_popescu	best swindle ever.
04:46	mircea_popescu	recently the airlines managed to lose more money than was made in the history of flight.
04:47	mircea_popescu	meanwhile prostitution... i suspect whores are going to make more money this century than total up to date.
04:47	mats	how did they manage to do that after making 3x usu profits because cost of fuel going down?
04:47	mircea_popescu	this was 2000-2010
04:48	mats	my understanding is that operating an airline has always been a losing proposition
04:48	mircea_popescu	ayway, whoredom's gonna be great business. the chinese bezzle looks like it's going to be this, a lot of small yellow beta males swarmin' around. except they won't try to go to college and get a mortgage to please the old folks.
04:49	mircea_popescu	they'll just carry dept to stick coins in the stereoscopic machine with the girl taking her pants off
04:49	cazalla	airline industry is aus is pretty bad, so bad that QANTAS has a debt guarantee from the government
04:49	mats	IIRC US-based airlines have consistently reported 1% or 0 profit since being privatized
04:49	mats	hedging against cost of fuel is a bitch
04:50	mircea_popescu	even train traverl was aspirational at some point
04:50	mircea_popescu	and railroads raked it in
04:51	mircea_popescu	and re the "imagine being a drone"... why do you think it's so impossible to imagine ?
04:52	mircea_popescu	in any case : the best thing that could happen is for a whole lot of lines to go extinct. like... most of them, really.
05:00	mats	its a dramatically different thing to be a white WalMart greeter
05:01	mircea_popescu	sure
05:01	mats	than it is to be a manual laborer for Wu Gang's Mining Emporium
05:01	mircea_popescu	more like a freeranged cow for wu gang's organic organ growth farm.
05:02	mircea_popescu	plenty western fixations the chinese do not share.
05:03	mats	the cultural context is entirely different, and whether its true or not,
05:03	mats	there's a lot more implicit potential social mobility involved in being a white dude in us
05:04	mircea_popescu	social mobility is a nice way to say it. the other way to say it is "swimming in a shitswamp"
05:04	mircea_popescu	as empirically observed, there's not any cause or any way to build anything in a swamp.
05:04	mircea_popescu	and everything stinks
05:04	mats	whereas, if you're a chinese dude,
05:05	mats	literally 1 in 4 dudes you meet will never procreate
05:05	mats	sucks to suck
05:05	mircea_popescu	i had no idea having kids is the summum bonum
05:05	mircea_popescu	when did that happen ?
05:07	chetty	only in Amerika can you just decide to be black even if you skin is white
05:07	cazalla	mats, are you asian?
05:07	mats	yes
05:08	cazalla	plenty of white people aren't procreating either, different reasons though (career women)
05:09	cazalla	there's what.. a billion or more chinese? i think they're good numbers wise
05:10	mircea_popescu	numbers really are worthless.
05:10	mircea_popescu	used to be, for most of human history, numbers mattered.
05:10	mircea_popescu	they don't, now.
05:10	cazalla	why's that?
05:10	chetty	it still takes 2 to tango
05:10	mircea_popescu	only thing another hundred twerps does for you is more inane demands.
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05:11	cazalla	so we're at the point we're it's sorta like bezzle but for people?
05:11	mircea_popescu	yep.
05:11	mircea_popescu	originally, people pinned women down and stuck it in them because the kids cost nothing, either fed themselves off offal or died, and then could be used, for purposes.
05:12	mircea_popescu	then, steam power replaced muscle power, and people started playing talent lottery.
05:12	cazalla	well i must say, it comes to a shock that i have been printing bezzle
05:12	cazalla	as a shock even
05:12	mircea_popescu	one million schmucks had to kill themselves raising kids in new jersey so there could be a miss new jersey on television
05:12	mircea_popescu	nobody gives a shit about rockstars and genius scientists now.
05:12	mircea_popescu	consequently... really, no further point. if tomorrow you wake up and there's not ten billion people but ten thousand, there won't be a notable difference.
05:13	mircea_popescu	minus, of course, your not being there to notice.
05:13	cazalla	could be if the remaining 9,999 are all women :P
05:13	mircea_popescu	prolly about 6k of em
05:14	mats	i don't care about reproduction, but there is the issue of those others
05:15	chetty	would be noticeable when stuff starts breaking down
05:15	cazalla	mats, maybe they don't care either?
05:15	mats	i suppose the tentative plan is to recolonize oceania and us
05:15	mats	pretty hard to ignore biological imperatives, cazalla
05:15	mats	even when you enjoy the taste of cock
05:15	cazalla	well if/when america topples over, down under is shit out of luck, chinese will come flooding out of the water and on to the land
05:16	cazalla	and i can't imagine the chinese men will have much mercy for the aussie men banging their chinese-australian women
05:17	cazalla	mats, i doubt they do ignore them which is why pornotubes are the top sites
05:17	mircea_popescu	who knows, maybe they pay to watch
05:18	cazalla	pay in what? dollars? doubtful, iron ore? chinese own it all already
05:21	mircea_popescu	uniques lol
05:25	cazalla	meh chinese farmed em already
05:29	mats	the problem i'm faced with now is where to flee
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05:29	mircea_popescu	actually there's a decent sf story in there, title it something like "986"
05:30	mircea_popescu	the premise being that in that future of barely a thousand people, you don't really need names, and moreover, you can trivially ennumerate the list of everyone
05:30	mircea_popescu	mats what's wrong with china ?
05:30	mats	clean air, water, and food
05:30	mircea_popescu	ah
05:30	mircea_popescu	large country, they cvouldn't have fuxcked up all of it
05:30	cazalla	copypaste is this a troll? UNHCR begging for donations for nigerians on 8chan? http://i.imgur.com/jVE61J7.png
05:30	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Fm0PnN )
05:31	cazalla	mats, i know a place
05:31	mats	is it in australia
05:31	cazalla	lord howe island
05:32	mircea_popescu	lmao check out that stupid shit.
05:32	mircea_popescu	!rated copypaste
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05:32	mircea_popescu	!unrated copypaste
05:32	mircea_popescu	grr
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05:33	mats	that escalated quickly
05:34	mircea_popescu	this is exactly like that one time when the alzheimer dude or w/e his name is wouldn't work with me then partnered up with keiser and started an ever-lulzy kickstarter that got together fiddy bucks and they're neither goinmg to ever mention again, because hey, internet, it's how it works.
05:34	mircea_popescu	but EXACTLY.
05:34	cazalla	weev
05:34	mircea_popescu	there's yer ever-vaunted "social mobility", mats. the nonsensical premise that people should be in charge of their own life and make their own decisions. pure poison for everyone.
05:37	cazalla	copypaste, did the AFP or any other coppers from down under contact you regarding those adelaide nude girl pics? (context - http://www.dailylife.com.au/dl-people/nude-photos-of-australian-women-shared-on-us-porn-site-20150617-ghpw5q.html)
05:37	assbot	Daily Life 404 Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYqxWE )
05:37	copypaste	no
05:37	copypaste	also regarding that ad, i assume the japanese just put up an ad network
05:37	copypaste	i think it's yahoo! ads but i'm not sure
05:37	copypaste	i certainly didn't get a list of ads to approve
05:37	copypaste	it's probably geotargetted as well, as it mentions australia
05:39	cazalla	prob cause i was looking up nat geo african titties earlier
05:39	copypaste	for example here's the ad i see https://0x0.st/vc.png
05:39	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KYqYAh )
05:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00042159 = 8.9799 BTC [+]
05:39	copypaste	i can't even read that shit
05:40	copypaste	10000 yen / month for something or other
05:40	copypaste	i can read the important part :^)
05:41	copypaste	but anyway mircea_popescu not sure why you're mad. We agreed to one month. The month ended, things went back to how they were before.
05:41	copypaste	I converted what I was given by you and paid $250 to them already.
05:42	mircea_popescu	i'm not mad dude.
05:42	copypaste	(That doesn't cover close to our bandwidth bills, we served 200TB last month, around $2K...)
05:42	copypaste	(So I assume that was absorbed, or written off, or they hope to make it back somehow [somehow indeed])
05:43	mircea_popescu	things just went back to how they were before.
05:43	cazalla	damn copypaste, this shit is gonna be all over the media here
05:44	copypaste	You live in Aus? Unfortunate
05:44	copypaste	They've got some real out there laws.
05:44	copypaste	Did you know they readily admit to forcing ISPs to capture all data that leaves the country
05:44	copypaste	Hell, even that which stays within the country
05:44	cazalla	yeah i know :\
05:45	cazalla	but tbh, they've prob been doing it for much longer than they admit anyway
05:45	cazalla	data retention supposedly lasts 2 years but more likely forevar or until their hdds are full
05:46	copypaste	well in the US at least
05:47	copypaste	they do it
05:47	copypaste	oh sure they do it. but they can't admit to it
05:47	copypaste	so they have to at least attempt parallel construction
05:47	cazalla	i half expect to see your face on tv and in newspapers here in the next few days
05:48	copypaste	i suppose i'll never be headed to australia then
05:48	copypaste	humorous
05:48	cazalla	well if it's in the adelaide NOW, it'll likely run in the others
05:48	copypaste	the site where most of the sharing is happening is actually volafile.io
05:48	copypaste	i see cazalla
05:48	copypaste	i think they are attempting not to mention me and 8ch
05:49	copypaste	because they dont; want people to find it so easily.
05:49	cazalla	i don't see the big deal tbh, australian school girls have always been huge moles
05:50	mats	;;ud mole
05:50	cazalla	agriculture class provided my first clasp of the titty
05:50	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mole | mole. a really sexy animal that lives mainly underground. dad: ahh no, look at that lump in the lawn, we must have moles me: ooooo great! *runs out to molest ...
05:51	cazalla	nah that UD is wrong, least for aussie mole
05:52	mircea_popescu	so what's an aussie mole ?
05:52	cazalla	ah i'm spelling it wrong..
05:52	cazalla	;;ud moll
05:52	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moll | moll. noun. Slang word from Gangland-era America that meant an attractive young woman. It was often used to describe a "gangster"'s love interest. Slick Dan's ...
05:52	mircea_popescu	heh k
05:52	cazalla	the fuck..
05:52	cazalla	wikipedia it is.. "In Australia and New Zealand, usually pejorative or self-deprecating, for a woman of loose sexual morals, a bitch, slut, or prostitute. The term can also be used for a girlfriend of a surfie or bikie."
05:53	mircea_popescu	so like sheila.
05:53	cazalla	yeah sorta
05:53	mircea_popescu	o btw, you ever read my aussie pron story ?
05:53	cazalla	but sheilas can be molls or prudes
05:54	cazalla	not sure.. i read one about black dicks and some other weird shit, was a bit too far out there for me (sorta reminds me of the kid at school who never stfu about sex and knew far more than he should in all honesty)
05:54	mircea_popescu	haha lucky we're not in school
05:54	mircea_popescu	wait, it's jewish school. shit.
05:55	cazalla	copypaste, i spoke too late, it's already on TV
05:56	cazalla	free publicity btw, they named your site on tv heh
06:06	copypaste	lel
06:06	copypaste	i suppose they don't care so much about the uh
06:06	copypaste	"privacy of the ladies"
06:07	copypaste	as the other pubolications
06:07	copypaste	( ≖‿≖)
06:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00042159 = 12.3104 BTC [+]
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06:41	cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Je8d4CVD0w
06:41	assbot	copypaste cyber rapes over 500 australian women - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDAvRY )
06:41	copypaste	haha
06:42	copypaste	"terrified"
06:43	copypaste	that girl looks like she's never missed a meal, what's she got to be terrified of?
06:44	cazalla	stupid fucking molls
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07:22	funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165736 <-- I'm not sure about Shanghai but in Beijing they'll need to compete with massive population of russian girls
07:22	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 08:46:04; mircea_popescu: give it a little, all ohio girls be dancin' in shanghai
07:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00042761 = 8.5308 BTC [+] {2}
07:28	funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165728 <-- the policy mostly over already. lines could always or never go extinct, depending on how you choose to define them.
07:28	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 08:44:15; mats: chinese females are predictably holding out longer and raising their standards, but thats still a lot of extinct lines
07:34	jurov	http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3a1hmz/if_you_label_any_new_thing_as_contentious_before/ lol such drama
07:34	assbot	If you label any new thing as "contentious" before a software vote can take place, that is attempted dictatorship. Theymos has just lost my support. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CdkZAi )
07:45	funkenstein_	a lot of contentiouses there, but not a lot of content :)
07:49	cazalla	http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3a51q6/bitpay_falling_apart_sends_shockwaves_through_the/cs9ffoc lol top keks
07:49	assbot	BlockchainOfFools comments on Bitpay falling apart sends shockwaves through the ecosystem by proving Andresen and Hearn are wrong. Merchant transactions are not occurring. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CdmNJt )
07:55	kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867175 < http://opencores.com/project,ddr2_sdram what am i missing here ?
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07:55	assbot	Logged on 10-10-2014 02:57:29; asciilifeform: but it won't work
07:55	assbot	DDR2 SDRAM Controller :: Overview :: OpenCores ... ( http://bit.ly/1CdnmDl )
07:57	kakobrekla	ah the problem is on the fpga chip side.
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09:15	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165915 << key detail: 'IP-Core : MIG V:3.6.1'. that's 'memory interface generator', xilinx's gui turd. it shits out code which is a mere wrapper on a closed-source gigantic steaming pile of shit. and the output is unique to a particular model and subtype of chip.
09:15	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 11:55:10; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867175 < http://opencores.com/project,ddr2_sdram what am i missing here ?
09:16	kakobrekla	aha
09:17	asciilifeform	you can pick up a textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric;
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09:18	asciilifeform	on top of this, all of the critical paths in the circuit must have approximately same propagation delay - or the thing ~won't work at all~
09:18	asciilifeform	this, again, is only possible if you know the actual physical fabric (only xilix does)
09:18	asciilifeform	thing is, fpga is fundamentally a very cruel lie
09:19	asciilifeform	it gives the impression that you can actually turn any valid logical circuit into an imitation of something like slow 1980s silicon
09:19	asciilifeform	but in reality, you are stuck using all kinds of pre-baked pieces (adders, shifters, ddr outputs, and the routing fabric per se) baked in there by vendor
09:20	asciilifeform	and ~every single chip~ even from particular vendor has entirely different internals.
09:21	asciilifeform	the entire thing is cynically deliberate. notice how, e.g., xilinx boards, come with ethernet jack and magnetics? well, you can't actually ~use~ the ethernet without paying a per-unit license fee to the bastards
09:21	asciilifeform	because go and try writing own controller with anything like acceptable performance.
09:22	asciilifeform	sdram is the absolute worst case, because the difference between 'acceptable performance' and 'works at all, for any purpose' is slim
09:22	asciilifeform	because you MUST meet the dram refresh timings - or bits fall on the floor.
09:24	asciilifeform	you ~can~ sloppily 'bit-bang' a 10BaseT ethernet nic. but ~not~ sdram controller.
09:27	kakobrekla	myea
09:27	asciilifeform	a readily-available ~true~ fpga would be the greatest political advance in a century of electronic crud.
09:28	asciilifeform	thing could even have a clear lid, like the old uv-erasable eeproms, for inspection with optical microscope (the fabric would be visibly homogeneous)
09:28	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu ^
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09:31	asciilifeform	there would be no valid reason for any two units, regardless of ~when~ or ~where~ made, to be distinct in any way other than size and density.
09:31	asciilifeform	like grid paper.
09:32	jurov	if only you could decide somwhow what s.nsa will be doing
09:33	asciilifeform	jurov: i can 'decide' all i want' 'spirit is willing but flesh is weak' in this case. unless you'd like to contribute $100B for a fab and an army
09:34	asciilifeform	given as presently i can't even afford to not have a day job which eats 98% of time & energy
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09:37	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu's point about the 'excluded middle' ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-06-2015#1163457 << thread ) is valid, but it simply means that we are falling from skyscraper and trying to invent parachute on our way down.
09:37	assbot	Logged on 13-06-2015 17:27:26; mircea_popescu: if you need anything that has to be made on something in the middle, make it now.
09:38	asciilifeform	i will not say with confidence that no one will ~ever~ make meaningful semiconductors in their kitchen or in the jungle. but i WILL say with confidence that no one will make meaningful semiconductors in their kitchen ~using things that have been made in today's kitchens.~
09:38	asciilifeform	this is an important distinction.
09:39	midnightmagic	metalicarap's coming. sooner or later, it'll arrive, and then it's just a matter of time to people being confident that from atomic structure on up, we can be sure that what we wanted is in fact what we have.
09:39	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: take a little less lsd
09:39	asciilifeform	occasional touch with reality is good for you
09:40	midnightmagic	Patience.
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09:40	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: i don't do 'patience', i do actual understanding of physical reality vs snake oil.
09:42	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: meanwhile please go and 'nanofabricate atom by atom'... one mosfet. (it's been done! so what if you need a 'gigabuck' of gear to crap out an item which is worth a nanopenny...) then get back to us
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09:43	midnightmagic	it, or something like it, will provide metal fab. at-home metal fab allows complex specialty tooling. complex specialty tooling will, eventually, allow home-fab. it is inevitable, much like the mendel was.
09:44	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: go and pump a high vacuum from a vessel you sintered on a 'metal printer'
09:44	punkman	the mendel was a big achievement?
09:44	asciilifeform	but please set up camera for 'darwin tube' first
09:44	asciilifeform	so we can watch
09:45	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: have you ever witnessed the operation and internals of even a very elementary 'nano' instrument such as electron microscope ?
09:45	midnightmagic	metalicarap is not sintering
09:46	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: looked it up, saw vapor-dep/sintering gadget
09:46	asciilifeform	*sputtering, rather than sintering
09:46	asciilifeform	ever sputter anything ?
09:47	asciilifeform	how long it took, per mm of metal deposited ? what kind of vacuum, and with what did you pump it?
09:48	asciilifeform	i notice that all of the illustrations on http://reprap.org/wiki/MetalicaRap are 3d renderings ...
09:48	assbot	MetalicaRap - RepRapWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1d0Yrw4 )
09:48	asciilifeform	wonder why.
09:49	asciilifeform	also, very amusingly, there are a total of 3 sentences casually referring to xray shielding.
09:50	asciilifeform	(can you say 'bremsstrahlung' kidz?!)
09:51	midnightmagic	it's within human patience tolerance. x-rays are a natural side-effect of high-energy electron beams hitting metals. shielding is a major consideration in the design.
09:51	asciilifeform	this is precisely the kind of animal mircea_popescu wrote about - idiot 'millenials' who have never so much as carved a chess set with own hands, failing to distinguish elaborate 3d drawings from actual tech
09:51	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: where is the evidence of any actual physical experiment by these folks ?
09:51	midnightmagic	lol you don't know squat about me, punk.
09:51	asciilifeform	i sure don't
09:51	midnightmagic	ain't no millennial.
09:52	asciilifeform	link to an item you, or colleagues, crafted with electron beam?
09:52	kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-06-2015#1151838 < old but still http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/5217-Blocked-flights/page5
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09:52	assbot	Logged on 02-06-2015 21:47:08; punkman: why do they register these and let them show up on flightradar24?
09:52	assbot	Blocked flights - Page 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXW0Y7 )
09:52	midnightmagic	asciilifeform: It is not my design, and not my device.
09:52	asciilifeform	i would like, for example, to fabricate simple circuits in copper (a la pcb) with electron beam
09:52	asciilifeform	would love to know how to do this on a 'jungle' budget
09:53	asciilifeform	but so far all i see is... the apparatus described in linked www.
09:54	midnightmagic	the primary target is home-printed solar panelling.
09:54	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: would be neat. where do i go to get a 10^-4-torr vacuum pump for less than the cost of new car ?
09:55	asciilifeform	(i am assuming that you know what kind of pump - multiple pumps, in practice - is involved)
09:55	midnightmagic	gmax pointed me at one on ebay not so long ago.. it was pretty inexpensive, certainly less than I'd pay for a used car, at any rate.
09:57	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: i'm an aficionado of university surplus junk myself. and will point out that, even without having to pay for shipping (absolute killer, but luckily i live near one) the actual price you pay, once you factor in the cost of (sometimes unobtainable) spare parts to replace broken/missing items - is often not far from 'car'
09:58	asciilifeform	and often there are interesting hidden costs. for instance, i am somewhat limited in what surplus junk i can use on account of lacking 3-phase mains power
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09:58	midnightmagic	let's.. see.. hrm. According to the log about it, there was a device capable of a couple orders of magnitude better than 10-4 torr
09:59	asciilifeform	sure.
10:00	asciilifeform	see, e.g., 'Procedures in experimental physics' (J.D. Strong) (1938 - yes) - https://archive.org/details/proceduresinexpe00stro
10:00	assbot	Procedures in experimental physics : Strong, John Donovan : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1d10U9H )
10:00	asciilifeform	many ways to pump a vacuum.
10:00	asciilifeform	most - known even then.
10:00	midnightmagic	let's see.. turbomolecular pumps..
10:00	asciilifeform	and have not gotten any cheaper.
10:01	midnightmagic	metalicarap's stated goal is standard home power source, and rapatan seems to have done a lot of homework on at least feasibility
10:02	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: so far all i see is 'homework'
10:02	asciilifeform	if you have other sources, with experiments (done on something other than $maxint machinery, surplus or not) plz link...
10:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49976 @ 0.00043125 = 21.5522 BTC [-]
10:03	asciilifeform	i, for one, only have a mechanical vacuum pump. it clatters, spits oil. would have looked at home in edison's house. i know that i will not be making so much as a triode valve with this pump.
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10:03	asciilifeform	(does 'mean free path' mean anything to you ? or slept in 4th grade ?)
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10:05	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: do you know kanzure ? the two of you would get on very well, i think. he's another fella who likes 'doing homework.' wrote a 'nano cad', even. (because surely - somehow - this puts us closer to actually rearranging atoms with bare hands, right? or so goes the theory)
10:06	midnightmagic	turbomolecular pumps on ebay seem to range from $1,000 to $3,500. I have no idea which ones would be suitable for the vacuum chamber in a mother m-rap
10:06	asciilifeform	(last i saw, the 'cad' did not even do anything so basic as calculating bond strain energies. because atoms == legos, apparently.)
10:06	midnightmagic	I'm not doing any homework. I was just curious. People can get curious about things without actually sitting there for 12 months building prototypes.
10:07	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: my observation was that there is a curiously large population of people who studiously avoid so much as dipping a toe into the prototype waters.
10:07	asciilifeform	while doing a peculiarly heavy amount of 'homework'
10:08	midnightmagic	That's nice. I'm going to stop doing your homework for you, now.
10:08	midnightmagic	\o
10:08	asciilifeform	l0l
10:09	punkman	midnightmagic: did you ever built a reprap by the way?
10:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00043899 = 16.8133 BTC [+] {2}
10:11	asciilifeform	!gettrust assbot midnightmagic
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10:14	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2015#1011235 << see also.
10:14	assbot	Logged on 07-02-2015 02:47:35; mircea_popescu: trinque i think the concern is to be approached on two lines, empirically. line 1) what % of queries constitute powerplays and b) what % of queries result in interesting education that a noob reading logs would benefit from.
10:16	asciilifeform	midnightmagic: my original objection is to: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165955
10:16	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 13:40:07; midnightmagic: Patience.
10:16	asciilifeform	you would have us believe that the idiot cult of technowankerous 'homework doers' will deliver salvation re: the 'ic in your kitchen' problem. and i will say that this is not a harmless misconception.
10:17	asciilifeform	because they will not deliver so much as the means for making a usable steel fork. and you can take this to the bank.
10:20	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165981 << mega-l0l!
10:20	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 13:52:17; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-06-2015#1151838 < old but still http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/5217-Blocked-flights/page5
10:20	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: going by what is publicly known, probably something like 1 camera-shy rich fella to 10 cia 'renditions'
10:21	kakobrekla	heh
10:22	asciilifeform	'There is a discussion on FAA meetings about encrypting the ADS-B signal. By angering the authorities, we will only speed up this process.' << holy fuck the idiocy. i have idea! let's give usg brass cars without license plates ! that way no one will ~ever~ know where they are.
10:22	asciilifeform	(or where to point the grenade launcher)
10:23	kakobrekla	could be the cam shy guy.
10:23	asciilifeform	srsly, hitler oughta fire these fools
10:23	asciilifeform	they will get him to early grave.
10:23	asciilifeform	(hitlers normally live ~10,000 yrs, dontchaknow)
10:31	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165778 << find us another way to amortize the cost of making so much as a z80
10:31	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 09:10:49; mircea_popescu: only thing another hundred twerps does for you is more inane demands.
10:32	asciilifeform	(yes, it no longer amortizes, because today's crop of twerps' mere ~eating~ is now -ev.)
10:32	asciilifeform	so soon the gears stop.
10:38	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165804 << problem is never 'where to flee,' but 'where to flee where can afford to live like gentleman.' everybody here can afford a plane ticket.
10:38	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 09:29:31; mats: the problem i'm faced with now is where to flee
10:38	asciilifeform	the problems comes after.
10:39	mats	will probably end up moving back to mainland
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10:39	mats	which will be a struggle
10:39	asciilifeform	(and before you say 'i am willing to live like mexican', note that for ~you personally~ it will cost 50x what it does for the native-born orc. because he has the extended family, willing to live seven-to-a-room with him without murder, and you don't.)
10:40	asciilifeform	mats: mainland ?
10:40	mats	mainland china
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10:40	asciilifeform	mats: anybody waiting for you there ?
10:42	mats	second cousins, mostly
10:42	kakobrekla	ladyboys
10:42	mats	and ladyboys
10:43	asciilifeform	mats: so possibly you have the 'seven-to-a-room' thing covered.
10:44	asciilifeform	but might want to check with the cousins before buying ticket.
10:44	mats	i am not looking forward to the culture shock
10:44	asciilifeform	and arrange for a letter of recommendation for lucrative job cooking 'gutter oil' or mining uranium
10:45	asciilifeform	(also three light-years ahead of, e.g., my own position in chinese employment market. so don't laugh)
10:46	jurov	so this bitcoin thing we're having here is completely useless even in such situation?
10:46	asciilifeform	mats: at least they have public executions. i, for instance, am living in a tyrannical empire that doesn't even have fucking public executions to watch. picture that.
10:46	mats	yes the executions are a big plus
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10:46	kakobrekla	!b 2
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10:47	asciilifeform	srsly i would buy a tourist ticket if i could be guaranteed a front seat
10:47	mats	folks regularly catch bullet for theft of much less than 1mn
10:47	asciilifeform	'kill the chicken to teach the monkeys' (TM) (R)
10:47	jurov	also, i don't get how anyone in this age can *not* have some foreign acquaintances that one can be sure to not throw him under the bus
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10:47	asciilifeform	jurov: very easily.
10:48	asciilifeform	(and what means 'not throw under the bus' ??)
10:48	jurov	that when i move there, will provide some basic information how to function
10:48	asciilifeform	jurov: 'function' ?
10:49	asciilifeform	how about employment that doesn't make one want to blow brains out?
10:49	asciilifeform	that was hard enough here in usa where i had 20+ yrs to make meatwot
10:49	jurov	i don need no fucking employment
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10:49	asciilifeform	you and mircea - ok
10:49	asciilifeform	if 'don need no fucking employment' can live in antarctica. on atomic dirigible.
10:50	jurov	you refuse to understand
10:50	asciilifeform	what, in particular ?
10:51	jurov	people did relocate to shenzen and seem to be happy there without atomic dirigibles. how so?
10:52	jurov	for example
10:52	asciilifeform	jurov: some 'people' can 'seem happy' on a bowl of rotting rice in a day, earned by sucking 500 cocks.
10:52	asciilifeform	they - yes
10:52	asciilifeform	me - no
10:52	asciilifeform	it's that simple.
10:52	kakobrekla	jurov, ascii is not a clean burning engine
10:52	kakobrekla	or what was it.
10:53	jurov	not even chinese in shenzen eat rotting rice anymore
10:54	asciilifeform	jurov: what does the leisure, solitude, quiet, and good eu-style food combo cost in shenzhen ?
10:54	kakobrekla	only moldy now.
10:54	kakobrekla	cheaper in eu maybe. lol
10:54	asciilifeform	how about the vacuum pump from earlier thread ?
10:55	jurov	they surely are doing things that need hard vacuum in shenzen. maybe even more than in wash dc
10:55	asciilifeform	jurov: things with very clear ROI
10:56	jurov	and as for leisure, solitude, quiet, food.. you can find a fault with some of these things anywhere
10:56	asciilifeform	jurov: not speaking of 'find a fault' but 'minimal acceptable' here
10:57	asciilifeform	where in shenzhen can i live without ~hearing smelling~ the locals?
10:57	asciilifeform	can i get real (read: ru or identical) chocolate there? at what cost/gram ?
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10:58	asciilifeform	how many disease carriers will have to run shoulders with every day ?
10:58	asciilifeform	*rub
10:58	mats	http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/17/uber-drivers-deemed-employees-by-california-labor-commission via hn
10:58	assbot	Uber Drivers Deemed Employees By California Labor Commission | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1GOHtNl )
10:58	asciilifeform	and, more to the point, why am i there at all? who asked for me there, paid ?
10:59	kakobrekla	elephant trunk for example :)
10:59	mats	i sure hope they win their appeal
10:59	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: checked my mailbox this morning. no telegram from chinese emperor asking for it.
10:59	kakobrekla	dang.
10:59	kakobrekla	lets try the afternoon.
10:59	jurov	guess you got typical usuan disease. freaks out at the thought of staying outside of The Standard Environment
10:59	asciilifeform	mats: glad that you mentioned this. because i did an experiment, and forgot to speak of it. actually tried to ride 'uber.' (did it once before, at an airport, and it sorta worked.) but this time the car approached, clearly saw me, and ... kept going. inside was a gaggle of college 'bros' all holding iPnohes.
11:00	jurov	*usian
11:00	asciilifeform	jurov is quite mistaken.
11:00	kakobrekla	jurov he is caught in local pain minimum
11:00	mats	that's weird, Uber isn't a ride sharing bidness
11:00	asciilifeform	mats: it most certainly is not
11:01	asciilifeform	mats: which is why i suspect that a new scam was invented
11:01	jurov	but insisting that there is even no quality chocolate? what do the chinese rich eat, flavored vegetable oil?
11:01	asciilifeform	whereby a bunch of folks pretend to be an uber 'cabbie' and 'pick up' customers
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11:01	jurov	with honkgkong next door?
11:01	asciilifeform	i suspect that the iPnohe only checks that a chump has been 'picked up', but not delivered
11:01	asciilifeform	(on gps coords)
11:01	asciilifeform	so gaggle of 'dudebros' sits all in one 'cab' and rakes in the dough.
11:01	mats	chinese uber is getting raped in this way
11:02	asciilifeform	this was on a u.s. university campus
11:02	mats	folks abusing promotional $30 ride credit
11:02	asciilifeform	i filled a knapsack with books and didn't feel like trudging home in the 99% humidity
11:02	asciilifeform	ended up doing so anyway
11:03	asciilifeform	best part - they charged me five bux to 'cance;
11:03	asciilifeform	l
11:03	mats	ive never experienced your particular problem before
11:03	mats	have taken at least a hundred rides now
11:03	asciilifeform	(wrote hate mail, they 'gave it back' as shop credit. as if i have much desire for this service now)
11:03	asciilifeform	may depend on locale
11:04	mats	slave labor beats car ownership
11:04	asciilifeform	if i used 'uber' for commute, could easily sum to cost of a nice car every month...
11:05	funkenstein_	didi kuadi and others kicking uber ass in beijing
11:06	funkenstein_	also i can look for 10^-4 torr vacuum providers
11:06	asciilifeform	funkenstein_: while you're at it, compute the cost of a 10km^2 opaque bubble for me to live in there.
11:07	mircea_popescu	ahhh, another 2. at this rate i'll be rich!
11:07	mircea_popescu	oh yeah, and while at it alf, compute the cost of raising ten children off three different women, also sight unseen.
11:07	funkenstein_	pure diamond ok ascii?
11:08	jurov	alf now requires hard vacuum to live?
11:08	asciilifeform	jurov: i can do without hard vacuum (hard enough to get it here)
11:08	asciilifeform	but not without the entire orchestra
11:08	mircea_popescu	because if we're doing the entire "here's some random shit i came up with, do planning for it", might as well.
11:08	mircea_popescu	you know, naggum had a very unflattering piece re this approach, alf.
11:08	asciilifeform	the given example was anything but random.
11:08	mircea_popescu	something about norwegian meteorology.
11:09	asciilifeform	it's back to the 'living vs existing' thread.
11:09	asciilifeform	why not i move to beijing straight to the jail?
11:09	mircea_popescu	"opaque 10skm bubble" is not random ?
11:09	asciilifeform	answer: i can sit in the american jail now!
11:09	asciilifeform	closer to home
11:09	mircea_popescu	forget that part.
11:09	mircea_popescu	you're not liable to get anywhere by simply following your own mental narrative in circles.
11:10	mircea_popescu	did you or did you not say 10 sqkm opaque bubble, and is it or is it not 15yo cocklet-ism
11:10	jurov	mircea_popescu: it comes out that if you ever decide to relocate alf, will need to manage it and provide usg-level amenities
11:10	asciilifeform	cartoon example, ferphuxxsake
11:10	mircea_popescu	no.
11:10	mats	lol
11:10	mircea_popescu	that's the exact problem in discussion here. you're freely mixing cartoons and footage, for a very lsd-looking example.
11:10	mircea_popescu	stick to one or the other.
11:11	asciilifeform	entire discussion isn't firmly grounded in reality. no one asked for me in shenzhen, or will.
11:11	mircea_popescu	yes, the best dreams start with a twisted version of reality.
11:11	mircea_popescu	the worst dreams never end.
11:11	kakobrekla	jurov> alf now requires hard vacuum to live? < lmao
11:12	asciilifeform	live/exist
11:12	mircea_popescu	i wonder if aiming to be a spherical chicken makes one transfat ?
11:14	asciilifeform	i have lived in cities. in crappy soviet dwellings, with little room to move, even. in order to do this again voluntarily i would want something very valuable in return. such as not having to work for a living ever.
11:15	asciilifeform	would have to stick to mathematics, probably. (can one even get unfiltered internet in shenzhen ?)
11:15	mircea_popescu	the notion that future you asks past you anything at all is very 16yo-ish female in kabul sort of thought. it's not how it works.
11:15	mircea_popescu	"oh in order to put up with what my mother puts up with i will want blabla"
11:15	asciilifeform	no one asked me, aha.
11:15	asciilifeform	which is why the whole thing is an acid trip
11:15	mircea_popescu	nobody ever gave a shit. least of all the girly in discussion once she's 17.5
11:15	asciilifeform	the only thing i might be asked is if i'd like to be shot in the head or chest
11:15	mircea_popescu	dubious
11:16	asciilifeform	and that's only if interlocutor is feeling charitable.
11:16	mircea_popescu	i remember some guy paying a lot of money for that sort of thing
11:16	mircea_popescu	and still not getting it
11:16	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha!
11:16	asciilifeform	jack ketch took tips, famously!
11:16	asciilifeform	remember him
11:16	funkenstein_	vpn is slow over there but works as you'd expect
11:16	asciilifeform	as pictured in the well-loved 'baroque cycle' by n. stephenson
11:17	asciilifeform	little boys would earn pennies by pulling on legs of hanging men at tyburn
11:17	asciilifeform	(they paid on the gallows in advance)
11:17	asciilifeform	idk if i'll pay. what'll i do if the kid refuses to pull? negrate him as i swing ?
11:19	asciilifeform	at any rate, if the thread were about things that are ~likely to~ happen to me, vs 'what i'd like', it'd be much shorter and even more boring.
11:19	asciilifeform	as it is, i fully expect to envy the '16yo-ish female in kabul
11:19	asciilifeform	'
11:20	funkenstein_	and there's stephenson again today :D
11:20	kakobrekla	that girl dosnt get us or ru grade chocolate
11:20	asciilifeform	she does get to not be fed into a woodchipper feet first, for example
11:22	asciilifeform	also the gurl has valuable illiquid asset.
11:22	kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165947 dont see how this could be worse someplace else
11:22	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 13:34:30; asciilifeform: given as presently i can't even afford to not have a day job which eats 98% of time & energy
11:22	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: very easily. could, like 99.999% of the others, have this +plus+ no money
11:22	mats	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/06/11/1616215/ubers-rise-in-china-may-be-counterfeit << what i was referencing earlier
11:22	assbot	Uber's Rise In China May Be Counterfeit - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GONtWB )
11:22	asciilifeform	(and no chocolate)
11:23	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if it's valuable, it's pretty sopping liquid alright
11:23	*	asciilifeform knew mircea_popescu would say this ^ !
11:23	asciilifeform	l0l
11:23	mircea_popescu	i just saw "love me or live me" last night. story of fucking america retold as being being built by a sucker labouring atop a dry cunt.
11:23	funkenstein_	my sources tell me uber is for 外国人
11:23	mircea_popescu	very innerving movie.
11:23	mats	somehow the 'we have a terrible business plan' has yet again transmogrified into the old 'omg the chinese are counterfeiting again' narrative
11:24	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: it also matters ~what~ the 98% is spent doing
11:25	kakobrekla	for the price of your life
11:25	asciilifeform	everybody dies.
11:25	asciilifeform	can't buy out of it.
11:25	kakobrekla	your estimates are rather short.
11:25	asciilifeform	'life' per se isn't worth much.
11:26	*	funkenstein_ is happy some of that time is spent teaching the kids in b-a
11:26	kakobrekla	well you can do 2% cleaning toilets and 98% whatever else
11:26	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: wake me up when cleaning toilet pays 1000/min
11:26	mircea_popescu	where's that cleaning toilets pic i had...
11:26	mircea_popescu	it actually paid something like 2k/session.
11:26	kakobrekla	the golden ones ?
11:27	mircea_popescu	but you'll have to get in shape, alf.
11:27	mircea_popescu	and i mean, tits and all.
11:27	asciilifeform	(and when magical fairy dust is sprinkled on planet so the 1000/minute cleaners do not move prices of anything at all)
11:27	asciilifeform	!s boys are worthless
11:27	assbot	0 results for 'boys are worthless' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=boys+are+worthless
11:27	asciilifeform	!s boys worthless
11:27	assbot	0 results for 'boys worthless' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=boys+worthless
11:27	asciilifeform	l0lwat
11:27	asciilifeform	i distinctly recall when mircea_popescu wrote this important truth
11:27	kakobrekla	!s girls worthless
11:27	assbot	2 results for 'girls worthless' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=girls+worthless
11:28	kakobrekla	ba search fight
11:28	*	asciilifeform guesses that '2k per session' was gurl, cleaning with own tongue
11:28	asciilifeform	and not toilet, but arse directly
11:29	mircea_popescu	incidentally this is pretty good http://41.media.tumblr.com/77fad6553eebe3a966ae330338774d5f/tumblr_netmudh2oj1u31v3yo1_1280.jpg
11:29	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GOP26Q )
11:29	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: prison tattoo ?
11:29	mircea_popescu	yeah, from the californy.
11:29	asciilifeform	(looks drawn with marker)
11:30	kakobrekla	it did say 'permanent' on the marker.
11:30	mircea_popescu	ohohohhhhohh http://40.media.tumblr.com/04851812b3a6940ce2fe539a341532ab/tumblr_nov5eeXrbc1uqdoi9o2_1280.jpg
11:30	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GOPge6 )
11:30	mircea_popescu	annnd http://40.media.tumblr.com/5f304a0119aa3b6d726fda2ce9c9859b/tumblr_nov5eeXrbc1uqdoi9o3_1280.jpg
11:30	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GOPf9W )
11:30	asciilifeform	will guess that schmuck fell down, drunkenly, and was 'illustrated' after his clothes were stolen
11:30	mircea_popescu	let jurov never say i don't have anything in this vein.
11:30	mircea_popescu	bwahahaha kakobrekla
11:31	mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/0c11d9aa7d5866207330a96f1df20689/tumblr_nov5eeXrbc1uqdoi9o5_1280.jpg last one with toyota monkey.
11:31	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GOPnGA )
11:33	*	jurov 's not sying anything
11:33	mircea_popescu	is he hot btw ?
11:34	midnightmagic	That moron should be wearing shoes, those rocks are sharp.
11:34	mircea_popescu	i know girly doing that number'd pretty much look hot regardless. but the straight me thinks it's rather disqualifying for a man.
11:34	mircea_popescu	midnightmagic maybe it adds to the value proposition.
11:34	midnightmagic	"I can take a good sole-caning"?
11:35	mircea_popescu	something like that. prolly phrased by original author more in the vein of "i jus dun care!11"
11:35	mircea_popescu	drive fast die young leaving a wholly pierced foot sole.
11:36	jurov	not my type, i'm more for bears
11:36	*	asciilifeform bbl, off to polish golden toilet
11:36	kakobrekla	do it with roughsandpaper.
11:37	mircea_popescu	in protest
11:37	kakobrekla	and collect.
11:37	midnightmagic	Notice the lack of foot arches. I thought that was a sign of a lack of exercise.
11:37	mircea_popescu	flat feet's just the sign of peasantish genetics.
11:38	mircea_popescu	(and the original reason high heels were invented. if the girl's properly heeled, you can't tell)
11:38	midnightmagic	huh. could've sworn it was an exercise thing.
11:40	mircea_popescu	nah, all children are born with flat feet among numerous other diformities. some never grow out of it
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11:40	mircea_popescu	like some never grow out of the other infantile deformities.
11:46	mircea_popescu	"qntra.net is a rabid bitcoin maximalist blog, run by one of the permanent fixtures in the #bitcoin-asshats tribe.
11:46	mircea_popescu	These guys believe, without a trace of irony, that there will someday be no other currency than Bitcoin"
11:46	mircea_popescu	wait, we believe this now ?
11:47	shinohai	wut
11:47	mircea_popescu	i thought we were the only ones left that actually believe there is a place for scrip like usd & the rest of the fiats, doing roughly the job of movie tickets and coffee coupons
11:47	mircea_popescu	meanwhile reddit iirc was rabidly "bitcoin must have endless blocks to be the only currency".
11:47	mircea_popescu	very weird what conclusions stupid ends up with.
11:48	shinohai	If yu want rabid inflation that having no hard limits on blocks causes, try doge.
11:49	mircea_popescu	oh, wait, reddit was already publicly humiliated ?
11:49	mircea_popescu	no wait, that must be wrong. it was... oh... uh... iot was a DIFFERENT REDDIT!111
11:49	mircea_popescu	i didn't stomp all over their stupid faces those were different faces of different anon derps. this time it'll work!!!
11:49	mircea_popescu	etc.
11:50	mircea_popescu	oh yes, reddit's real life hasn't begun yet!
11:50	mircea_popescu	i forgot that part.
11:51	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165927 << this specific bit should be measurable no ?
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11:51	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 13:17:59; asciilifeform: you can pick up a textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric;
11:51	mircea_popescu	i am not for a moment arguing against the closed turdness approach ddram is wrapped in
11:51	mircea_popescu	just ftr.
11:52	mircea_popescu	(and similarly prop delays are an empirical phenomenon, cheaper to measure than to make a new chip)
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11:56	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165942 << i doubt you can look through a clear lid with a microscope and get much valuae. it'd have to be a pretty expensive lid.
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11:56	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 13:28:48; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
11:56	mircea_popescu	made by zeiss
11:59	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165957 << this is you know, like saying that "printed matter powered education is nonsense, it costs more to write the infolios than an entire campus of ivy league's worth". or, for that matter, "it takes more work to program a sound card than it takes to think through all the problems humanity has thought through so far".
11:59	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 13:42:52; asciilifeform: midnightmagic: meanwhile please go and 'nanofabricate atom by atom'... one mosfet. (it's been done! so what if you need a 'gigabuck' of gear to crap out an item which is worth a nanopenny...) then get back to us
12:00	mircea_popescu	yes, that so far is right. the thing it fails to account for is that roads create traffic, not the other way around. it's not need that creates advance, as the idiots writing schoolbooks claim. the other way around.
12:01	mircea_popescu	and consequently this whole story is moot other than for the similarity with the past. it took the magical box allowing you to talk to people over the ethers a few decades to arrive starting in the 70s, or a few millenia to arrive starting pre caesar. in the interval, cellphones were mostly magic rings.
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12:02	mircea_popescu	now we understand that retrospectively, the chord in phones is not a requirement but an anachronism, and we expect everything be available as wired or wireless at our option. but the wired/wireless dichotomy was not even meaningful to bell, or marconi.
12:02	mircea_popescu	yes they understood that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but they did not understand what they were doing was "sending communication" in these terms, or in short they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is.
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12:02	mircea_popescu	so, im sure he has it. patience.
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12:03	kakobrekla	patience and patients. so close.
		~ 18 minutes ~
12:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3627 @ 0.00043716 = 1.5856 BTC [+]
		~ 20 minutes ~
12:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31249 @ 0.00044452 = 13.8908 BTC [+] {2}
12:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150414 @ 0.00044499 = 66.9327 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 22 minutes ~
13:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22071 @ 0.00044528 = 9.8278 BTC [+] {2}
13:12	thestringpuller	has there been discussion here on BIP-100 yet?
13:12	thestringpuller	i don't see anything in the logs.
13:17	danielpbarron	!up referredbyloper
13:17	kakobrekla	heh
13:17	kakobrekla	http://dpaste.com/0TF2ZGD.txt
13:17	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1d1uUSM )
13:19	BingoBoingo	lol kakobrekla very small orders
13:20	kakobrekla	400k active users is everyone who ever visited their webpage + theri dog + webrobots
13:24	mats	Unauthorized Cross-App Resource Access on OS X and iOS http://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.06836v1.pdf
13:24	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1d1vuAb )
13:25	mats	note that this has been unpatched for ~6mos
13:29	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
13:30	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166281 << everything is 'measurable.' but you have to be ~able to lay out the circuit physically~ rather than merely mathematically to get the guaranteed equal delays. as in, you have to have knowledge of ~all~ addressable part of the fpga.
13:30	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 15:51:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165927 << this specific bit should be measurable no ?
13:30	ascii_field	i will remind readers that reversing fpga is not impossible, and has been done. but takes ~20 years and chip is usually unobtainable after 5-10 (sooner if vendor learns that you're doing this)
13:31	ascii_field	aaaand it is done by tearing apart the (x86) toolchain, rather than the chip
13:31	ascii_field	the entire thing, note, is built specifically around making this activity as unpleasant and expensive as possible.
13:32	ascii_field	(xilinx, altera, actel, etc. ~all~ make the bulk of their revenue by charging rent for 'properties' like 'the right to have a network card' in your fpga)
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13:32	menahem	;;later tell williamdunne it's live: https://koinswag.com/shop/bitcoin-t-shirt/mircea-popescu-bitcoin-t-shirt/
13:32	assbot	Mircea Popescu Bitcoin T-Shirt - KOIN ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4qV6o )
13:32	gribble	The operation succeeded.
13:32	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166285 << it most assuredly is not. and on top of it, as soon as you're anywhere near done, they make a new and entirely incompatible one.
13:32	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 15:52:09; mircea_popescu: (and similarly prop delays are an empirical phenomenon, cheaper to measure than to make a new chip)
13:33	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166286 << quartz
13:33	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 15:56:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165942 << i doubt you can look through a clear lid with a microscope and get much valuae. it'd have to be a pretty expensive lid.
13:34	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166294 << wtf - maxwell understood, and so well that he couldn't even be bothered to ~do~ it
13:34	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 16:02:44; mircea_popescu: yes they understood that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but they did not understand what they were doing was "sending communication" in these terms, or in short they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is.
13:34	shinohai	Thank you menahem, I bookmarked. My world is not complete without a mircea popescu cult t-shirt.
13:34	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166295 << the process to which the fool was referring IS NOT HAPPENING
13:34	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 16:02:50; mircea_popescu: so, im sure he has it. patience.
13:35	ascii_field	no one is working on desktop ic fab.
13:35	ascii_field	not in any way that leaves any public evidence of itself whatsoever, at any rate!
13:35	ascii_field	(morons pulling their cocks in 'nanotech'-flavoured ways does NOT count as work)
13:36	ascii_field	it isn't happening or so much as credibly threatening to happen
13:36	menahem	bahaha shinohai - it was a must. :D
13:36	ascii_field	and the folks who have notions that it is, demonstrate a total black-as-night unmarred by any light ignorance of the physical basics involved
13:36	shinohai	I want to take a picture of myself wearing it and post it to reddit to see how many downvotes I get :D
13:37	menahem	hahaha, imagine a team of us.
13:38	mats	you're embarrassing
13:39	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166286 << Aaaalso - you don't need to distinguish features to prove homogeneous circuit. can use... optical comparator (ask a machinist. 1910s tech.)
13:39	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 15:56:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165942 << i doubt you can look through a clear lid with a microscope and get much valuae. it'd have to be a pretty expensive lid.
13:40	ascii_field	(homogeneous - per 'specificity of diddling' theorem)
13:41	menahem	mats, whom ?
13:46	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166292 << today we learn that mircea_popescu is actually an immortal (greek?) god and reasons in the timescale of immortal being
13:46	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 16:01:16; mircea_popescu: and consequently this whole story is moot other than for the similarity with the past. it took the magical box allowing you to talk to people over the ethers a few decades to arrive starting in the 70s, or a few millenia to arrive starting pre caesar. in the interval, cellphones were mostly magic rings.
13:52	funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166318 <-- and Atmel too on satellites? How does this work in practice, do you buy schematics?
13:52	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 17:32:11; ascii_field: (xilinx, altera, actel, etc. ~all~ make the bulk of their revenue by charging rent for 'properties' like 'the right to have a network card' in your fpga)
13:53	ascii_field	funkenstein_: the way it works is that there is literally no way to build a 'bitstream' (as the configs are called) for a chip without using vendor's turd toolchain
13:54	funkenstein_	which requires, logging into server or something?
13:54	ascii_field	and if you want, e.g., a 100BaseT nic, or sdram controller, it has to be laid out mainly by hand using floor plan of the particular chip and explicit coordinates. which vendor can do, and you (user) cannot.
13:54	ascii_field	funkenstein_: no, it runs on pc
13:54	ascii_field	think several GB of obfuscated crud
13:54	funkenstein_	so, the turdchain phones home?
13:55	ascii_field	funkenstein_: some of them - this too
13:55	ascii_field	but a properly-cracked one will not
13:55	funkenstein_	that is fucked btw.. why can't they charge for the hardware?
13:55	funkenstein_	yeah that was my next question :)
13:56	ascii_field	funkenstein_: they -also- charge $maxint for the hardware
13:56	ascii_field	who said they didn't
13:56	ascii_field	price some of the larger xilinx chips
13:56	ascii_field	well into 4-digits usd
13:56	ascii_field	some - 5
13:57	funkenstein_	so properly cracked turds will get you out of the extra charges for.. using the hardware you paid for?
13:57	ascii_field	(and only a paid-up, to the tune of 100K+ usd, or well-cracked, xilinx toolchain, will even talk to the $200-300 ones)
13:57	ascii_field	funkenstein_: the extra charges, but not the retardation
13:58	ascii_field	(of having to use the gui, every time you get a slightly variant chip, and of never coming remotely close to understanding wtf is in the black box)
13:58	ascii_field	considering that to me, the ~whole fucking point~ of fpga is to get a computer which ~i and only i~ define
13:58	ascii_field	it's a total scam.
13:59	funkenstein_	wow, no wonder the era of fpga mining didn't last long
13:59	ascii_field	funkenstein_: aaaactually
13:59	ascii_field	it continues
13:59	kakobrekla	has nothing to do with it.
13:59	ascii_field	!s hard copy asic
13:59	assbot	2 results for 'hard copy asic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hard+copy+asic
13:59	ascii_field	today's 'asics' are scams
13:59	funkenstein_	ah ha
13:59	ascii_field	(they are fpga with hardcoded metallization layer)
14:00	kakobrekla	!up ascii_field
14:00	kakobrekla	eh srsly
14:01	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
14:01	ascii_field	kakobrekla: at the very least, every single one of the ~publicly sold~ chips, afaik, fits this description as per the published specs.
14:02	kakobrekla	yeah just that the era of fpgas he meant was over purely because of economics
14:04	funkenstein_	"In your labyrinthine journey, [..] in the world of iron, learn to catch the thought behind the machine or it will swallow you."
14:04	ascii_field	kakobrekla: 'hard copy fpga' has fixed metal, rather than sram LUTs for routing matrix. so slightly faster (and significantly cheaper to manufacture) than ordinary fpga
14:04	ascii_field	but it is still not a true asic, because the pieces are not movable
14:05	ascii_field	which is to say, they are all over the place and connected by the equivalent of very long wires
14:05	funkenstein_	so the big guns aren't out yet
14:05	ascii_field	and you don't have the ones you might like, but solely the ones the chip came with from xilinx etc
14:05	ascii_field	funkenstein_: they are out, but belong to usg & its antipodal counterparts
14:06	ascii_field	not to schmucks on the street
14:06	funkenstein_	and are they firing?
14:07	ascii_field	funkenstein_: mircea_popescu and the little birds who whisper in his ear say 'yes'
14:07	*	funkenstein_ ducks and covers
14:07	ascii_field	me, how the fuck would i know
14:07	ascii_field	the only fact ~i~ know is that the network hash sum does not even begin to be accounted for by even the most liberal estimate of miner machines publicly sold to date
14:08	ascii_field	but this is known to ~everyone~, even homo redditicus
14:08	ascii_field	make of it what you will.
14:09	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166265 << didja have quack snake-oil 'cures' for flat feet in ro ?
14:09	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 15:40:28; mircea_popescu: nah, all children are born with flat feet among numerous other diformities. some never grow out of it
14:09	ascii_field	we sure did in su
14:14	punkman	"In addition to calling for resignations, Lieu asked OPM to show some remorse. “One word I haven’t heard is sorry,” Lieu said. “When is OPM going to apologize to federal employees?”"
14:14	punkman	http://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2015/06/opm-will-soon-notify-new-wave-workers-their-data-was-hacked/115441/
14:14	assbot	OPM Will Soon Notify New Wave of Workers Their Data Was Hacked - Pay & Benefits - GovExec.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPhZj6 )
14:15	ascii_field	“When is OPM going to apologize to federal employees?”" << 'when the crayfish whistles on the mountain, and the fish in the sea begin to sing' (tm) (r) (ru)
14:16	punkman	"Rather than immediately encrypt data, OPM plans to reduce the number of computer users with access to systems and require multistep login verifications, she said. OPM's fiscal 2016 request for congressional funding asks for an additional $21 million"
14:16	punkman	they are gonna get paid of course
14:17	ascii_field	meanwhile, http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cia-john-brennan-financial.pdf http://cryptome.org/2015/06/dni-james-clapper-financial.pdf << mircea_popescu tell me again how these buggers are 'poor'
14:17	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GPiqK7 )
14:18	punkman	"The day after the breach was made public, OPM finalized a more than $20 million deal with Winvale Group to start notifying individuals "within 48 hours of award.""
14:18	ascii_field	^ and this is just the ~publicly disclosed~ income
14:18	*	ascii_field l0lz re: herr clapper owning facebook stock
14:20	ascii_field	http://cryptome.org/2015/06/nsa-susan-rice-financial.pdf << see also
14:21	mircea_popescu	o holy log lol.
14:21	mircea_popescu	!up tcrypt
14:22	ascii_field	http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-magical-content-tree.html << where herr orlov contemplates cribbing mircea_popescu's 'pay per article' thing
14:22	assbot	ClubOrlov: The Magical Content Tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPj22j )
14:22	mircea_popescu	we wish him luck...
14:22	ascii_field	i don't think they have bitcoin on his planet yet, though
14:22	mircea_popescu	tho... didn't he just beg a few k's recently to buy himself a new mayo dildo or something ?
14:22	ascii_field	15k
14:22	ascii_field	diesel
14:23	mircea_popescu	what more does he want exactly ?
14:23	ascii_field	looks like he has... 14,314
14:23	ascii_field	(goal 15,956)
14:23	mircea_popescu	iirc baseline is a dollar a day, so... there's his lifetime income
14:23	mircea_popescu	what more does he want.
14:23	ascii_field	wai wut
14:23	ascii_field	baseline ?
14:23	mircea_popescu	yeah.
14:23	ascii_field	for whom? beggar in calcutta ?
14:24	mircea_popescu	earht average.
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14:24	ascii_field	earth average is a bacterium.
14:24	mircea_popescu	this is what we are proceeding on, right ? "human"
14:24	ascii_field	i don't think they've invented begging yet
14:27	ascii_field	btw as a long-time reader of herr orlov, i can't help but notice that he spat on diesels and bragged about a seldom-used ('only in doldrumss') outboard petrol engine
14:27	mircea_popescu	aha
14:27	ascii_field	but then he birthed a son, and bought a boat 2x the size
14:28	mircea_popescu	i vaguely recall this, like i vaguely recall his being the sort that's "correct in the broad strokes but entirely out of small change" as the expression goes.
14:28	ascii_field	(and perhaps doesn't quite have the stamina to single-handedly operate the sails any more ?)
14:28	mircea_popescu	god help you if you start factchecking anything he says. very yarvinesque habit this
14:28	ascii_field	he wrote a whole piece about how he threw the decrepit diesel out of the original boat's bilge to make a storage room
14:30	ascii_field	for those who are ~not~ readers of mr o - his 'post-collapse future business' schtick is based on 'fossil-fuel-free freight along u.s. coasts using sailboats'
14:31	ascii_field	apparently now is not yet the time to practice this ?
14:31	ascii_field	or what, he likes the smell of diesel smoke ?
14:32	funkenstein_	"But this is the new lay of the land; we can't change it, and we can't ignore it."
14:32	mats	har, acquaintances are receiving emails about their OPM file being compromised
14:32	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
14:33	ascii_field	can't wait for the fake ones
14:33	ascii_field	(how do you propose to authenticate the 'leaks' ?)
14:34	ascii_field	'we ALWAYS knew he was obama's gay playmate!!11'
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1000 @ 0.00111 = 1.11 BTC
14:36	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166431 << ftr the 'dollar a day' thing is nonsense if you compute even the most conservative monetary estimate for the 'systematic' things the beggar was born with.
14:36	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 18:24:08; mircea_popescu: earht average.
14:37	ascii_field	e.g., kin, street smarts learned from boyhood, etc.
14:37	ascii_field	!s gemeinschaft
14:37	assbot	1 results for 'gemeinschaft' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gemeinschaft
14:37	mircea_popescu	ascii_field seinfeld has an episode about this fundamentally female method of authentication ("i always wanted for him to drag me by the hair in this alley and stretch my anus"). elaine explains that "Cause if we're dating, what everyone saw was just a beautiful moment between two lovers"
14:38	*	ascii_field totally perplexed
14:38	mircea_popescu	and you don't "compute the dollar equivalent value" of non-dollar things, because you're not trying to recreate the bezzle.
14:38	ascii_field	well sure
14:38	mircea_popescu	instead, you either have tyhem or fucking die.
14:39	ascii_field	but you ~also~ don't say 'beggar is living on $1/day'
14:39	ascii_field	because this is not factually correct
14:39	mircea_popescu	factually, it is correct.
14:39	mircea_popescu	politically, it is inconvenient.
14:39	ascii_field	he is living on $1 of rice + $xxxx of other-things-which-aren't-available-to-me-if-i-get-parachuted-into-calcutta
14:39	mircea_popescu	but factually, it is correct.
14:39	mircea_popescu	tough. that just means you suck
14:39	mircea_popescu	it does not mean his dollar is not a dollar.
14:39	ascii_field	on how many dollars a day does pufferfish live in the sea ?
14:40	ascii_field	even less than $1
14:40	ascii_field	we ~all~ 'suck' compared to him ?
14:40	mircea_popescu	not a valid comparison.
14:40	funkenstein_	just not as free
14:40	mircea_popescu	you are proposing the indian is not human now ?
14:40	ascii_field	not a category i deal with
14:40	ascii_field	because not idempotent
14:40	mircea_popescu	let me put it this way :
14:40	ascii_field	(as shown above)
14:41	ascii_field	he cannot funciton in my element. or i - in his. like the fish.
14:41	funkenstein_	the calcutttan has no option to go to supermarket dumpster
14:41	mircea_popescu	the notion that you are anything different from the calcutta beggar may be contemplatef IF and ONLY IF you never have to wonder what'd you do in calcutta.
14:41	mircea_popescu	otherwise, a dollar a day.
14:41	ascii_field	ever contemplate what you'll do 1km below the sea?
14:41	mircea_popescu	never have to wonder either because you know or it can't happen, but never have to wonder.
14:41	ascii_field	can easily happen
14:41	ascii_field	boats sink
14:41	mircea_popescu	i'd drown.
14:41	ascii_field	and so do airplanes
14:42	ascii_field	aha, drown like gentleman ! (Tm) (R) (brit empire)
14:42	mircea_popescu	what would you do ?
14:42	ascii_field	same!
14:42	mircea_popescu	compute the dollar value ?
14:42	mircea_popescu	so then
14:42	ascii_field	bubble a bit.
14:42	mircea_popescu	lol
14:42	ascii_field	i imagine i'd bubble a bit in calcutta as well, before going under.
14:43	ascii_field	(for how long is anyone's guess)
14:45	ascii_field	but i don't imagine that i'll learn to breathe water and become kind of the ocean in a few weeks. and if mircea_popescu can do this, we should all learn from him.
14:45	ascii_field	*king
14:45	mircea_popescu	the ocean has nothing to do with it.
14:49	ascii_field	obligatory old thread >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-04-2015#1094169
14:49	assbot	Logged on 09-04-2015 20:47:43; ascii_field: mircea_popescu could convince an eskimo that he is an eskimo ?
14:51	punkman	http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/06/16/2132043/bitcoin-opec-favours-8mb-blocksize-increase/
14:51	assbot	Bitcoin Opec favours 8MB blocksize increase | FT Alphaville ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPnQVq )
14:52	ascii_field	^^ does not display for me
14:52	ascii_field	punkman ^
14:52	ascii_field	dpaste plz ?
14:52	punkman	http://dpaste.com/1R2X0V7
14:52	assbot	dpaste: 1R2X0V7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPo5Qu )
14:52	ascii_field	ty punkman
14:53	punkman	"opec"...
14:53	scoopbot_revived	Eulora Resurgent http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-resurgent/
14:53	ascii_field	lulz. 'bitcoin opec.' where is bitcoin nato? is it invading ru yet ?
14:53	ascii_field	and what of the bitcoin vatican ?
14:53	ascii_field	does it bugger boys ?
14:53	mircea_popescu	wtf is "opec"
14:54	ascii_field	www.opec.org << the usual opec ?
14:54	mircea_popescu	can these gawker-clones be any more fucking retarded already ?>
14:54	mircea_popescu	by now they're reporting nonsense out of a whjolly imagined pseudoreality
14:54	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: and they were not, 2+ yrs ago ?
14:55	ascii_field	it was ~always~ a pseudoreality, from at least william randolph hearst and up
14:55	ascii_field	just that they previously had more luck with gluing pseudoreality-display helmets on people's heads
14:55	mircea_popescu	there's a lot of difference between the mild idiocy of hearst and the down syndrome of "ft alphaville" etc
14:56	mircea_popescu	about the same as between the calcutta beggar and the pufferfish
14:56	ascii_field	more like the diff b/w/ mild eccentricity and full blown schizo
14:56	mircea_popescu	right.
14:57	ascii_field	'The bitcoin miners of China agree that the blocksize must be increased' << l0l wat? said who ?
14:57	mircea_popescu	in other news a display campaign for eulora started today, if any people called Eulorian show up treat 'em mildly. and if no such show up, well... it just goes to show the value of advertising.
14:57	mircea_popescu	ascii_field "ft alphaville"
14:58	ascii_field	incidentally, who even has a crashless validating node with 1mb blocks
14:58	ascii_field	(other than us)
14:58	ascii_field	speaking of which,
14:58	ascii_field	mod6: how are those test rigs doing ?
14:59	ascii_field	ben_vulpes: ^ ?
14:59	ascii_field	other sappers ?
14:59	mircea_popescu	ascii_field "the bitcoin miners of china" say that they never saw software that doesn't crash
14:59	ascii_field	who is ready for the next cut of the scalpel ?
14:59	mircea_popescu	how do you know it's software if you don't reboot it ?
15:00	ascii_field	how do you know washing machine is plugged in if you don't get shocks from touching the chassis ?
15:00	mircea_popescu	ikr ?
15:02	punkman	the stamped "bitcoin opec" document http://i.imgur.com/JUnQcue.jpg
15:02	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1SoP4Gl )
15:02	ascii_field	sometimes i wonder if folks in cn are ~actually~ batshit (mega-mines on winblows, etc) or just convincingly faking it
15:02	mircea_popescu	ascii_field if you had more experience chasing gaw/bfl/assorted mining scams
15:02	mircea_popescu	you'd be in a better position to grasp the depth of this chasm of a dilemma
15:03	mircea_popescu	generally speaking they are both.
15:03	mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field
15:03	mircea_popescu	ahahaha what the shit red star stamps srsly ?!
15:04	mircea_popescu	anyway, the validity of the stamps would be trivial to verify, if of course anyone still gave a shit about the nonsense scampress publishes.
15:04	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: l0l!
15:04	ascii_field	you know what those are??!?!
15:04	ascii_field	import stamps!
15:04	ascii_field	i have some here
15:04	mircea_popescu	but 500 failures in... hey, wasn't ethereum all over everything ?
15:04	ascii_field	from 'golden phenix'
15:04	ascii_field	same red start
15:04	ascii_field	those are customs-inspector stamps
15:04	mircea_popescu	ascii_field yes i know what those are, i pay five to six figures to china each month k ?
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15:05	ascii_field	anyone with a fucking potato can lift it
15:05	ascii_field	aha
15:05	mircea_popescu	unlike apparently everyone on the retard side, i actually have some business experience
15:05	ascii_field	even a schmuck like me has a fat manila full of these stamps.
15:05	*	mircea_popescu sits here and wonders if neobee, king of cypruss, agrees for cypruss to join the increase movement.
15:06	ascii_field	and did i just land in my grandfather's office in 1985 , fell through time warp? how did we come to wonder about authenticity of fucking soviet rubber stamps ?!
15:06	mircea_popescu	iirc according to financial times, they took over cyprus right ?
15:06	mircea_popescu	ascii_field we are dealing with ~= the same idiots.
15:06	mircea_popescu	later generation, unimproved.
15:09	funkenstein_	looks to me like they are saying they won't take anything bigger than 8MB, because their tubes are too small
15:09	mircea_popescu	i remember a day, not so many years ago, when people actually went on trips to check out claims of "hey i goit some images in photoshop" miners. how much things have changed in these few short years...
15:10	mircea_popescu	from the log, "I think we will close this thread as there is nothing more to discuss. This is not about democracy or censorship, but about keeping our hobby alive without authorities enforcing new laws in order to limit ADS-B usage."
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15:11	mircea_popescu	fucking ridiculous. "oh, we will get a bitcoin license to keep our hobby alive!11"
15:11	mircea_popescu	fuck you, fucking hobbists
15:11	mircea_popescu	the world does not belong to people "doing it ironically"
15:11	mircea_popescu	who ever heard of this, change the rules of the sport so people following at home can be more comfortable.
15:12	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165993 << i lolled.
15:12	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 13:58:39; asciilifeform: and often there are interesting hidden costs. for instance, i am somewhat limited in what surplus junk i can use on account of lacking 3-phase mains power
15:13	ascii_field	^ said mircea_popescu as he sizzled in his very own private 3-phase electric chair
15:13	ascii_field	luxuriously
15:15	ascii_field	(point of that observation was, 3-phase mains and climate-controlled floor sq. metrage do not become cheaper no matter how 'surplussy' the equipment gets)
15:17	ascii_field	'speaks volumes for the actual “democracy” in the system. (Namely, there isn’t any. China — the Saudi Arabia of bitcoin — dominates.' <<< l0l!!! this of course is same party line as in mike hearn's blatherings about 'let's separate the economy majority of bitcoin from the whims of the hashing majority'
15:17	ascii_field	*economic
15:18	ascii_field	'we usg gnomes are to have control, because fuck you and ~democracy~ and also fuck you'
15:24	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166571 << many usg subjects see the crown in much the same light as little children see their demented violent alcoholic father
15:24	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 19:10:50; mircea_popescu: from the log, "I think we will close this thread as there is nothing more to discuss. This is not about democracy or censorship, but about keeping our hobby alive without authorities enforcing new laws in order to limit ADS-B usage."
15:24	ascii_field	'please don't upset him, you know what happens'
15:27	ascii_field	other thing is
15:27	ascii_field	what, precisely, would be the mechanism for encrypting airplane callsigns ?
15:27	ascii_field	sent to public key with private modulus kept in every airport?
15:28	ascii_field	what about non-nato airports ?
15:29	ascii_field	why shouldn't ru air defense battery open up with all barrels on a 'mystery meat' airplane which won't identify owner ?
15:29	ascii_field	like that korean tub
15:29	danielpbarron	menahem, your paypal doesn't work and your bitcoin wants me to send to an invalid address
15:29	menahem	danielpbarron i just saw
15:29	menahem	not sure why I got the error, lemme double check quick. my apologies.
15:30	danielpbarron	it redirected me to sandbox.paypal.com which tells me that my password is incorrect
15:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00044528 = 6.7015 BTC [+] {2}
15:30	menahem	ok ty. i'll be back shortly.
15:30	danielpbarron	and by "invalid address" i mean that i'm not about to do business with someone who insists I acknowledge "multi sig" is a thing
15:31	ascii_field	;;later tell mircea_popescu mega-lulz >> http://cryptome.org/2015/06/masses-goats-dogs.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/1Z43RQN.txt
15:31	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GPtUNU )
15:31	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GPtSFM )
15:31	gribble	The operation succeeded.
15:31	mircea_popescu	ascii_field it reads to me like a very plain "let's try and hijack b-a by pretending a bigger ba exists somewhere exotic and we are the only ones able to translate its red star stamps"
15:31	mircea_popescu	which is... endearing.
15:32	ascii_field	usg sop.
15:32	mircea_popescu	anyway. i'll allow the shitmedia to set the discussion agenda the morning after i let gavin impregnate my wife.
15:32	ascii_field	l0l
15:33	thestringpuller	!up ascii_field
15:34	mircea_popescu	no but srsly, who wouldn't want retarded children looking like him.
15:34	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: BIP-100 looks like it will create Garzik coin.
15:36	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166007 << the junior high alf went to... :D
15:36	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 14:03:47; asciilifeform: (does 'mean free path' mean anything to you ? or slept in 4th grade ?)
15:37	*	funkenstein_ has heard tell of a time when people wrote RFCs
15:38	ascii_field	http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/menfre.html
15:38	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GPuKdu )
15:38	mircea_popescu	!up WvuSoldier
15:39	WvuSoldier	ty
15:39	thestringpuller	I like how they publicized BIP-100 with "This won't require a hardfork" while the PDF clearly states "Oh yea guise we need to remove the cap completely to make this change."
15:40	*	ascii_field now wonders what mircea_popescu gets from cn by the tanker-load
15:40	ascii_field	( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166559 )
15:40	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 19:04:54; mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes i know what those are, i pay five to six figures to china each month k ?
15:40	mircea_popescu	ascii_field vacuums not my forte, but is the following ever done : have a solid cylinder separated into two closed rooms by piston. fill one room with chemical compounds in liquid pahse which react, so the resultant volume is lower.
15:40	mircea_popescu	theoretically should vacuum the other room to soem degree
15:41	ascii_field	react endothermically, and forming a solid ?
15:41	mircea_popescu	for instance
15:41	ascii_field	this is done in the craft of making vacuum tubes. (recall the shiny metal in the top of the tube?)
15:41	mircea_popescu	aha
15:41	ascii_field	called 'getter'
15:42	ascii_field	typically - cesium.
15:42	ascii_field	important not only for residual gas in the tube after pumping, but also because the electrodes sputter
15:43	ascii_field	(vapour pressure in the tube ~will~ go up with time unless the gas has somewhere to get stuck in)
15:44	mircea_popescu	no such thing as infinitely bound material yet discovered
15:44	mircea_popescu	should go in there same pile as ideal conductor
15:45	ascii_field	aha
15:45	ascii_field	even glass has vapour pressure at stp !
15:46	ascii_field	see the epic saga of 'polywater'
15:46	jurov	iirc graphene is impervious even to helium
15:46	mircea_popescu	it will still scater atoms
15:46	mircea_popescu	this is a quantum necessity.
15:47	mircea_popescu	(for fun and games the trainee qm folk in attendance are invited to set up either the matrix or the waveform so that probability of solid losing atoms into gas at border is zero, see what happens)
15:47	ascii_field	l0l!
15:49	ascii_field	http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/11/polywater_history_and_science_mistakes_the_u_s_and_ussr_raced_to_create.html << a not-especially-great english review of the 'polywater' story.
15:49	assbot	Polywater history and science mistakes: The U.S. and USSR raced to create a new form of water. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPwcfK )
15:49	mircea_popescu	is this the very thick water ?
15:50	ascii_field	aha
15:50	ascii_field	the one in which the glass vessels themselves dissolved a little.
15:50	mircea_popescu	i recall family friend being very insulted by my dad laughing his ass off
15:50	ascii_field	(along with other room crud)
15:53	ascii_field	in other news, i dreamed last night that ft meade had been turned into a kind of city-state, and i came through it for some peculiar reason. it very crowded and full of rough-looking folks, like d.c. subway. went into a pub, full of demented old beggars, and pulled out a wad of 'nsa money' - shit-brown 'hundies' with portraits of some senator on them. in return got glass of water.
15:53	scoopbot_revived	Examinations vs. the Yeshiva http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/17/examinations-vs-the-yeshiva/
15:54	ascii_field	there was some utterly deranged bloke yelling 'buy me a bed!!!'
15:55	mircea_popescu	sounds like you would enjoy playing fallout
15:55	ascii_field	i did.
15:58	mircea_popescu	;;later tell pete_dushenski the hunag fellow is exactly the right example. i even hinted at him but never mentionmed the name when discussiong o'brian idiocy in 1984 and how the rebellion properly works.
15:58	gribble	The operation succeeded.
15:58	mircea_popescu	always a pleasure to see people able to refer to the right source material.
15:58	cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166044 <<< check the aussie national skill shortage and come down under.. i've never been to choina but i'm guessing down under is a bit better
15:58	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 14:39:34; mats: will probably end up moving back to mainland
16:02	ascii_field	'(875 – 884 AD) when Huang Ch’ao, a powerful young heir to a family fortune, was unable to pass the rigorous exams needed to become a licentiate. He responded by selling salt on the black market and using the funds to organise a secret society with which he incited rebellions that massacred nobles and officials and nearly, thought not quite, brought down the ruling entire dynasty.' << this has been my secret crackp
16:02	ascii_field	ipe dream since uni, yes.
16:02	ascii_field	i specifically wish to drive the bulldozer personally
16:02	mats	lol
16:03	mircea_popescu	lol
16:04	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
16:04	mircea_popescu	ascii_field is emerging like quite the tragic, byronian hero. on one hand, wishes to drive the dozer, on the other hand, wishes to have a place for noli tangere.
16:04	mircea_popescu	should be a libretto.
16:05	ascii_field	hey, marvin heemeyer did both!
16:05	mircea_popescu	why stop there.
16:05	mircea_popescu	do three things.
16:05	ascii_field	http://marvin-heemeyer.com
16:05	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GPy7RA )
16:05	mircea_popescu	while juggling pregnant seals.
16:06	ascii_field	elephants.
16:06	mircea_popescu	seals pregnant with elephants ?
16:08	ascii_field	with walruses.
16:10	mircea_popescu	cazalla BingoBoingo http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3a6m7i/a_prepostmortem_on_bitpay/ << check it out, you're now thought leaders of teh community
16:10	assbot	A pre-post-mortem on BitPay : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPyUlC )
16:19	ascii_field	speaking of vacuum 'diffusion pumps' - apparently there are firms selling them, from old uni chem kits, as 'bongs' to smoke weed from
16:20	ascii_field	e.g., http://mellowmood.com/bates-x-worm
16:20	assbot	Bates x Worm - Mellow Mood ... ( http://bit.ly/1GgbK2U )
16:20	thestringpuller	great find mircea_popescu
16:21	thestringpuller	"It’s like an economy where the investment is coming from some external country where Silicon Valley becomes like the Bitcoin equivalent of People’s Bank of China." << because Nefario ruined it for everyone
16:21	menahem	danielpbarron PayPal is up - had it in test mode. My bad.
16:22	ascii_field	it was the diffusion pump (esp. langmuir's improved one) which allowed the whole vacuum tube thing to happen in the first place.
16:23	mircea_popescu	!up blazes816
16:23	shinohai	All these pools http://redd.it/3a5qj5
16:23	assbot	Draft signed by F2Pool, Antpool, BW, BTCChina, Huobi committing them to a 8MB increase. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ggc6qu )
16:23	mircea_popescu	see teh logs.
16:24	shinohai	will do. I have tons of reading to catch up on this evening.
16:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59300 @ 0.00044529 = 26.4057 BTC [+]
16:25	cazalla	shinohai, lol that image reminds me of another which someone on bitcointalk claimed to be a police report regarding asicminer thefts.. turned out to be a birth certificate or something
16:25	shinohai	LOLZ
16:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00043172 = 10.1022 BTC [-] {2}
16:32	TheNewDeal	how bad of any idea is it to short btc/ltc over a short term period
16:33	ben_vulpes	hey, the tradetalk's back!
16:33	TheNewDeal	-y
16:33	ascii_field	TheNewDeal: ltc still exists ?!
16:33	TheNewDeal	oddly enough, aye
16:34	mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal not worse or better than ever
16:34	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
16:40	ben_vulpes	aha is midnightmagic derping on about things beyond his ken today?
16:40	ben_vulpes	or yessterday or something?
16:41	ascii_field	worst of all, he gave me an intractable urge to blow glass
16:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00044529 = 5.2544 BTC [+]
16:44	kakobrekla	maybe procedures in experimental physics did it
16:44	ascii_field	sure did
16:53	ben_vulpes	<asciilifeform> also the gurl has valuable illiquid asset. << not so valuable if illiquid
16:53	mircea_popescu	hahaha
16:53	mircea_popescu	read the logs :D
16:54	shinohai	13-06-2015 00:30:49 <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162846 << gotta love usg. always 'chinese wreckers stole,' never 'microshit turdows spilled' (agrees)
16:54	assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 23:44:37; trinque: http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html
16:55	ben_vulpes	can't read whole log without responding
16:55	mircea_popescu	just pulling your leg over here
16:56	ben_vulpes	s/without/before
16:56	ben_vulpes	what is it? great artists steal?
16:57	ascii_field	achtung, panzers:
16:57	ascii_field	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000098.html
16:57	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JYM5RY )
16:59	shinohai	ty asciilifeform
16:59	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166048 << well i don't know so many people in china, so... good news :D
16:59	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 14:40:42; mats: mainland china
16:59	mircea_popescu	ascii_field aha
17:01	ascii_field	ben_vulpes: i would like to nominate above patch (and its dependency, dns-seed-remover) for mainline
17:01	shinohai	I haven't applied those patches yet :/
17:01	ben_vulpes	noted
17:01	ascii_field	shinohai: the linked patch is 5 minutes old
17:01	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166066 << this is a strict function of sexual promiscuity in my experience. being chaste is pretty suicidal at all times other than during the age of boredom
17:01	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 14:47:41; jurov: also, i don't get how anyone in this age can *not* have some foreign acquaintances that one can be sure to not throw him under the bus
17:02	ben_vulpes	i'm still working to get the damn thing to build on ubuntu
17:02	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes 10.04
17:02	mircea_popescu	?
17:02	shinohai	@ ben_vulpes it built fine for me on 14.4
17:02	ben_vulpes	most recently, boost failed to install because its html document rendering facility was b0rked in ubuntu somewhere and the whole thing fell over
17:03	shinohai	*14.04 lts
17:03	mircea_popescu	hahahah
17:03	mircea_popescu	"my car crashed because there was a flyer in a window painted in green letters"
17:03	shinohai	But I must ask, why Ubuntu?
17:03	mircea_popescu	because it means anal friendship in african.
17:03	ascii_field	^ i had similar barf from openssl
17:05	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
17:06	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166096 >> nah, that's a different dimension. chocolate spontaneously combusts
17:06	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 14:57:39; asciilifeform: can i get real (read: ru or identical) chocolate there? at what cost/gram ?
17:06	mircea_popescu	this is how the locals know if it's any good
17:06	ascii_field	l0l
17:07	ascii_field	and yes, i know that mircea_popescu can get ru chocolate delivered via biplane right to his dirigible in antarctica.
17:07	ascii_field	doesn't apply to my case.
17:07	mircea_popescu	yea, you never ordered anything online
17:07	mircea_popescu	all those dongs were bought at indian candy's chocolateria
17:09	ascii_field	said the fella living in can't-order-anything-online-land
17:09	mircea_popescu	ikr?
17:09	mircea_popescu	tbh i never ordered anything online in romania, either.
17:09	mircea_popescu	i don't even order takeout
17:09	ascii_field	i barely ever get anything in any other way
17:10	ascii_field	(because wtf, leaving house, and paying tax?!?!)
17:10	shinohai	If Amazon delivered groceries in my area, I might never leave home.
17:12	cazalla	shinohai, the two main supermarket chains in australia do this.. and it's how they get rid of the rest of their shitty produce
17:12	ascii_field	i'd get toilet paper, etc. on 'amazon' if it weren't for the fact that everything you buy affects your 'recommendations'
17:13	ascii_field	and i don't want to see ads for shitpaper in my mailbox
17:13	shinohai	I like farmers markets though. Fresh organic veggies if possible.
17:13	ascii_field	produce over mail is a nonstarter
17:13	ascii_field	(for morons - sure)
17:15	mircea_popescu	ascii_field myeah, uber does seem like the usgs last gasp effort to "socialism" the cabbuie business
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17:15	mircea_popescu	which i would loathe, as i routinely reject living anywhere with shitty cabs
17:15	ascii_field	the cabs in usa sucked before.
17:15	mircea_popescu	boston was ok
17:15	mircea_popescu	ny was even above par.
17:15	mircea_popescu	the west coast never interested me much
17:15	jurov	have amazon buttons?
17:15	mircea_popescu	texas was great.
17:17	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: know that 'uber' etc. is an attempt to 'proletarianize' cabs. as they normally are so costly here that they are beyond the regular use of all but the richest
17:18	ascii_field	(e.g., an hour's ride might cost a whole benjie)
17:18	mircea_popescu	i dunno dood. what was it, two-three bucks a mile ?
17:18	kakobrekla	going 600 miles per hour obviously
17:18	mircea_popescu	germany is ridoinculous with their 5 euro a km bs, but then again germany is usually walkable.
17:19	mircea_popescu	how much would they have to pay ME to spend an hour in a cab with any regularity ?
17:20	ascii_field	airport much ?
17:20	mircea_popescu	yeah, five times a year.
17:20	ascii_field	so there you go
17:21	jurov	i don't remember using taxi from/to airport
17:22	ascii_field	the cabs in b-a blew my mind
17:22	ascii_field	(because cheap)
17:22	mircea_popescu	the half hour typical ride is what, five bux
17:22	ascii_field	in wash., d.c. ?! nope
17:22	ascii_field	opening the fucking door costs >5bux
17:23	ascii_field	http://dctaxi.dc.gov/page/taxicab-fares << 3.25 according to official table
17:24	kakobrekla	lol at that price list
17:26	ascii_field	it would cost me ~$80 to get home in a cab right now.
17:26	ascii_field	(assuming ~empty~ roads)
17:26	thestringpuller	ascii_field: i thought you didn't drive
17:26	ascii_field	thestringpuller: i drive 2-4 hrs/day.
17:27	thestringpuller	how have you not killed someone?
17:27	thestringpuller	(Via rage)
17:27	ascii_field	almost half as long as a cabbie drives
17:27	thestringpuller	is there traffic?
17:27	kakobrekla	how many miles ?
17:29	mats	http://www.opm.gov/our-inspector-general/reports/2014/federal-information-security-management-act-audit-fy-2014-4a-ci-00-14-016.pdf
17:29	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1N3RR4X )
17:29	ascii_field	thestringpuller: so much traffic 'can eat with arse'
17:30	thestringpuller	sounds like DC or LA...
17:30	mod6	<+ascii_field> mod6: how are those test rigs doing ? < << If you mean the bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patch(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke + TX Orphanage Amputation }, they were performed on AWS deb6 instance and have since been shutdown after full sync & performance tests completed. Main reason being to dig into compiling v0.5.3.1 + gentoo sanity patches with uclibc on Gentoo on AWS Gentoo instance. I try to only run one instance at a time to keep mo
17:30	ascii_field	kakobrekla: ~70/day assuming i go nowhere else (buying food, detours around jams, etc)
17:30	kakobrekla	2-4 hrs for 70 miles
17:30	kakobrekla	sad.
17:30	shinohai	mod6 my nide is still humming fine
17:31	mod6	I could start it back up again and do something else if you like. But have finally gotten a guide created for Gentoo on Physical hardware. It needs 2 general tweaks (to be put in tonight) before I hand over to hanbot for testing.
17:31	shinohai	*nide
17:31	shinohai	I hate touchscreen keyboards. I really do.
17:31	thestringpuller	ascii_field: damn. 20 mph average speed?!? i would have to pop anxiety pills.
17:31	ascii_field	kakobrekla: the sad is in having to leave home at all. everything else is just little cherries on top of the sadcake
17:32	mats	We were told in an interview that OPM's Network Management Group (NMG) performs monthly vulnerability scans using automated scanning tools. The OIG is unable to independently verify that OPM has a mature vulnerability scanning program. However, we have been unable to obtain tangible evidence that vulnerability scans have been routinely conducted for all
17:32	mats	OPM servers in FY 2014… NMG has documented accepted weaknesses for OPM user workstations; however, it has not fully documented weaknesses for servers or databases (i.e., vulnerability scan findings that are justified by a business need). This recommendation remains open from FY 2011 and is rolled forward in FY 2014.
17:32	mod6	So once the Guides are handed over to hanbot, I'll refocus my attention to patching gcc 4.8.4 on Gentoo to see if we can get around that bug that we were discussing the other day.
17:32	ascii_field	mod6: which bug ?
17:33	mod6	lemme find the logs..
17:34	mod6	well, nevermind that. this one:
17:34	mod6	/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../libc.a(jmp-unwind.os): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `__GI___pthread_cleanup_upto' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
17:36	mod6	!up ascii_field
17:39	mod6	<+shinohai> mod6 my nide is still humming fine << cool. is that the ubuntu one?
17:39	shinohai	Nah the Debian one, I built Ubuntu on a friends server
17:41	mod6	ahh. ok.
17:42	shinohai	The Deb one stays up all the time, I just leave it running since I need a daemon anyway.
17:49	mod6	good deal :]
17:54	mats	http://www.wsj.com/articles/colt-defense-to-file-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy-protection-by-monday-1434310925
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17:54	assbot	Colt Defense Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3X24H )
17:55	mats	http://time.com/3923842/putin-kubinka-moscow-patriot-park-russia-opens-a-military-playground-for-the-patriotic
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17:55	assbot	Russia Opens 'Patriot' Theme Park to Showcase MIlitary Prowess ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3XkbR )
17:58	ascii_field	achtung, panzers!
17:58	ascii_field	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html
17:58	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1N3XRe2 )
17:58	ascii_field	ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^
17:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00043298 = 19.8305 BTC [-]
17:59	ascii_field	picture little gavins squealing on a chopping block.
18:00	ascii_field	does it not warm your cold iron heart !?
18:00	ascii_field	i'm half-certain that last one actually removes a vuln
18:02	*	mod6 looks
18:03	mod6	ah cool :]
18:04	ascii_field	this is part of a sequence of patches which depend on one another
18:04	ascii_field	(dns seed remover, hard seed remover, and now showmyip,com-remover)
18:04	ascii_field	next one will nuke all dns lookups entirely
18:04	mod6	yup, i see that. thanks for linking them in the patch emails.
18:05	mod6	great work ascii.
18:05	ascii_field	these are given in separate patches for ease of review
18:05	mod6	*nod*
18:05	mod6	makes sense. thanks.
18:05	ascii_field	i consider this to be a necessary thing
18:05	mod6	yeah, that stuff is 100% cruft.
18:05	ascii_field	i.e. everything inside a patch file must pertain only to what was 'printed on the box', and vice-versa.
18:07	mod6	!up ascii_field
18:07	ascii_field	ty mod6
18:07	mats	http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-06/18/c_134335445.htm
18:07	assbot	China, Russia to increase bilateral investment, financial cooperation - Xinhua | English.news.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3ZyrI )
18:08	mod6	np. so, i'm gonna keep focus on this Gentoo GCC patching stuff for the time being. But meanwhile I do that on my POS box (Now running Gentoo AMD64 hardened w/uclibc), I can shutdown the Gentoo aws instance and fire-up a deb6 test with these new patches before the end of the month I'm sure.
18:09	ascii_field	mod6: might wanna wait for the final nail in the dns coffin
18:09	mod6	That's fine. Take your time. It won't take long to get that going anyway.
18:10	shinohai	17:59 +ascii_fieldpicture little gavins squealing on a chopping block. <<< This
18:10	mod6	:]
18:11	mats	'Obama admitted that nine months into the U.S.-led coalition's campaign against the IS, there is not a complete strategy to combat the group. "We don't yet have a complete strategy," Obama said at the end of a G-7 summit in Germany'
18:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20205 @ 0.00042666 = 8.6207 BTC [-] {3}
18:38	mod6	!up ascii_field
18:39	ascii_field	to fully scrub out the dns invocations, will have to make the irc connector configurable on command line
18:39	ascii_field	this will be a substantial change in default behaviour, because the thing ~will~ have to be given irc server params on command line, and/or seed ips, or ~will not run~
18:40	ascii_field	i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd
18:41	ascii_field	but if anyone can make a good case for its removal (remember that presently it is also the source of node knowing own external ipv4 !!!) please say.
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18:59	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166824 << apparently dead instantly on account of losing favour with usg.
18:59	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 21:54:21; mats: http://www.wsj.com/articles/colt-defense-to-file-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy-protection-by-monday-1434310925
19:00	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166826 << famous tank museum
19:00	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 21:55:45; mats: http://time.com/3923842/putin-kubinka-moscow-patriot-park-russia-opens-a-military-playground-for-the-patriotic
19:03	mats	mighta had a chance if privately owned by black disabled lesbian
19:03	mats	o, can't forget veteran
19:03	ascii_field	'Following a drawn-out and contentious bidding war, Colt lost its contract to provide the Pentagon with M4 rifles in 2013. The $77 million contract went instead to a Belgian company, F.N. Herstal.'
19:03	ascii_field	^ l0l!!
19:03	ascii_field	and when belgium is overrun again?
19:04	ascii_field	i imagine they will have to ask for new bids.
19:05	mod6	<+ascii_field> to fully scrub out the dns invocations, will have to make the irc connector configurable on command line << not that this has to be the case now, but perhaps this could be done in the config file too.
19:05	mats	not the first time Colt has lost a contract to F.N. Herstal
19:05	ascii_field	mod6: config file or commandline
19:05	ascii_field	but ~somewhere~
19:05	mod6	<+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow.
19:05	ascii_field	after this, there will be no default seed
19:06	mod6	<+ascii_field> but ~somewhere~ << yup, gotcha. just putting in my 0.00000002
19:07	mats	also not the first time they've filed for bankruptcy
19:09	kakobrekla	would a dedi ba seed be welcome?
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19:10	mod6	<+mod6> <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow. << regardless, it doesn't mean we have to rip it out this minute. how insane of an idea is it to just snip out the checkip.dyndns.org parts and add a commandline/configfile arg to specify external ip for
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19:10	mod6	<+kakobrekla> would a dedi ba seed be welcome << yeah, i think that's the idea eventually.
19:14	mod6	oop
19:14	mod6	!up ascii_field
19:17	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166883 << we'll need more than one
19:17	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 23:09:27; kakobrekla: would a dedi ba seed be welcome?
19:17	ascii_field	and it makes no sense to even try before the leak-stoppage patches are ratified
19:17	ascii_field	(i don't want ~anything~ to do with a leaking node)
19:21	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166884 << you can ~already~ specify seeds on cmdline and config! all that remains is the removal of the built-in seeder crap
19:21	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 23:10:19; mod6: <+mod6> <+ascii_field> i'm in favour of keeping the irc mechanism for now, because it will handily transplant to gossipd << i'm with you here... although, just looking through irc.cpp again.. im not sure how much of that would carry over anyhow. << regardless, it doesn't mean we have to rip it out this minute. how insane of an idea is it to just snip out the checkip.dyndns.org parts and add a commandline/confi
19:22	ascii_field	of these, we now have only irc remaining
19:22	ascii_field	(assuming all three patches discussed today were to be ratified)
19:23	ascii_field	and i say 'hey hey, ho ho,' dns 'has got to go!'
19:23	shinohai	I'm down for the irc mechanism, i really like it but not as it is now
19:23	ascii_field	shinohai: elaborate ?
19:24	mats	lol
19:24	shinohai	Earlier you mentioned the ability to specify peers, etc and use raw irc commands correct?
19:24	shinohai	If I understood correctly
19:24	ascii_field	shinohai: just the ability to specify what it connects to
19:24	ascii_field	and, perhaps, what channel
19:25	shinohai	hmmm mkay
19:25	ascii_field	btw it is also valuable because presently irc is a very handy means of finding pre-gavinization seeds
19:25	ascii_field	i expect this will change, suddenly and possibly undetectably, once they start fucking with it
19:25	ascii_field	(i.e. connecting gavinized nodes masquerading under old version strings)
19:25	shinohai	I failed to see that before BingoBoingo pointed out the obvious benefits of finding pre-gavinized nodes with it.
19:26	ascii_field	thing is, anyone can set version string to whateverthefuck they like
19:27	shinohai	ascii_field: are you limited as to what data you can put in the version string?
19:28	mod6	<+ascii_field> << you can ~already~ specify seeds on cmdline and config! all that remains is the removal of the built-in seeder crap << sure, you can do addnode or whatnot to connect to other nodes. but isn't the dyndns thing to tell others what your nodes ip address is? maybe i misunderstand ...
19:28	ascii_field	shinohai: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation#version
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19:28	assbot	Protocol documentation - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1dL9WZd )
19:28	shinohai	I mean, their must be some way to identify trusted clients
19:29	ascii_field	mod6: it was a fallback if irc fails
19:29	ascii_field	shinohai: trusted == folks you know personally
19:29	ascii_field	and even this, only after we get it carried over gossipd
19:29	ascii_field	at present, there is no way to authenticate a node
19:29	mod6	<+ascii_field> mod6: it was a fallback if irc fails << oh or if -noirc is used or something?
19:30	ascii_field	or if irc fails to connect
19:30	mod6	i see, ok.
19:30	ascii_field	see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-05-2015#1122714
19:30	assbot	Logged on 06-05-2015 17:21:23; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122612 << it's actually a fine entry point to explain to anyone why exactly tcp/ip is so broken. because this IS NOT a trivial task. the price for ipv4 and it's undocumented, buggy, slow and haphazardously ad-hoc nat-routing model is that you can't find out by inspecting yourself. the half-assed, quarter-baked lazy slothful and aol-windowesque implement
19:34	cazalla	copypaste, front page of the #1 aussie tabloid http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/intimate-photos-of-around-400-adelaide-women-have-been-posted-on-a-us-site-in-revenge-porn/story-fnjwmwrh-1227403257763
19:34	assbot	Revenge porn: Nude photos of 400 Adelaide women posted online ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjUgY0 )
19:44	BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field
19:55	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: a researcher is me !
19:55	pete_dushenski	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218550.0 << i lolled
19:55	assbot	[WTS] Stuff for non-profits ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjW57a )
19:55	pete_dushenski	i recognise 'thebutterzone' from -otc
19:56	pete_dushenski	pretty sure he had half the listings last i checked
19:56	pete_dushenski	btw, wd on the logs today, gents. solid reading material.
19:58	pete_dushenski	"First two (DVD, CD) are used and play fine, 2nd two are sealed new (all DVDs). for each before shipping, and a $60 donation for each will be made to this pro-civil rights coalition that Zooey Deschanel, Nancy Sinatra, Michael Moore, and Joel McHale all oppose." << y'know, this could only work on tardstalk
20:01	pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166073 << unless you find a bear named "Mr. Employment"
20:01	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 14:49:18; jurov: i don need no fucking employment
20:02	pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166060 << lmao. sarcastic aaaand true.
20:02	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 14:46:46; mats: yes the executions are a big plus
20:03	pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166763 --> http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/23/want-to-drive-for-uber-first-you-need-to-make-some-mistakes/
20:03	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 21:15:16; mircea_popescu: ascii_field myeah, uber does seem like the usgs last gasp effort to "socialism" the cabbuie business
20:03	assbot	Want to drive for Uber ? First, you need to make some mistakes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjWZkb )
20:04	pete_dushenski	uber is easily half the price of a cab here.
20:04	pete_dushenski	also, edmonton has uber and calgary, a larger city 300km south, doesn't
20:04	pete_dushenski	"illegal" there.
20:05	pete_dushenski	normal cabs are flat out unaffordable for regular use.
20:05	pete_dushenski	uber... isn't
20:05	pete_dushenski	though i'm flabbergasted that asciilifeform drives 2-4 hrs PER DAY !
20:05	pete_dushenski	in case anyone thought this guy wasn't shiva reincarnate, think again.
20:06	ascii_field	it's roughly half the price of a cab pretty much everywhere, by design.
20:06	ascii_field	pete_dushenski: i didn't used to. worked mostly from home for a long time
20:07	cazalla	i'm sure i've mentioned it before but cabbies go around performing citizen's arrest on uber drivers down under
20:07	pete_dushenski	he's in #b-a an easy 6 hours per day. solid. plus cardano. plus phuctor. plus '98% busy'
20:07	ascii_field	eh #b-a is on own lcd
20:07	ascii_field	'background thread' in head.
20:07	pete_dushenski	ascii_field: eh, same here :)
20:08	pete_dushenski	but i guess now we know where cardano delivery went : commuting
20:08	pete_dushenski	on the highway, 2-4 hours per day
20:08	ascii_field	sometimes i log in from the car.
20:08	pete_dushenski	pet drives ?
20:08	ascii_field	nope
20:08	ascii_field	never learned how.
20:09	pete_dushenski	then YOU ARE SHIVA
20:09	kakobrekla	only if shiva was alien
20:09	ascii_field	i offered many times to teach her to drive, but she was sharp enough to grasp that this meant 'more chores' and didn't bite
20:10	kakobrekla	alf will not be put in front of execution wall but dissected for studies
20:10	BingoBoingo	!b 3
20:10	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ZR2D5R.txt )
20:10	kakobrekla	i think if just fuckued your bash
20:11	BingoBoingo	No, you just extended it
20:11	BingoBoingo	was only going to bash 2
20:14	pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1166826 << would visit. been meaning to check out st. petersburg anyways. near enough.
20:14	assbot	Logged on 17-06-2015 21:55:45; mats: http://time.com/3923842/putin-kubinka-moscow-patriot-park-russia-opens-a-military-playground-for-the-patriotic
20:14	pete_dushenski	back in a sec.
20:15	mod6	!up assbot
20:15	mod6	bah
20:15	mod6	!up ascii_field
20:16	mod6	<+ascii_field> sometimes i log in from the car. << i can just imagine you driving around the beltway with your knee irc'ing from a phone.
20:16	ascii_field	usually at dead stop
20:16	mod6	hah s/driving/parking/
20:17	ascii_field	http://cryptome.org/2015/06/nsa-travel-2014.pdf << lulzies! includes an expense item, someone took a trip to an event titled 'all girls, all math'
20:17	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BjY8Z7 )
20:18	hanbot	the only female in that office.
20:18	mats	http://www.math.unl.edu/programs/agam
20:18	assbot	All Girls/All Math | Department of Mathematics | University of Nebraska–Lincoln ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjYgaY )
20:18	mats	summer maths camp.
20:19	ascii_field	sponsors: '... nsa'
20:20	BingoBoingo	Nebraska, like Ohio a place that when USia is scrapped can be sold to the dirt
20:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122750 @ 0.00043129 = 52.9408 BTC [+] {2}
20:27	mircea_popescu	so there was a blood gorged mosquito on the wall. as i didn't want to leave a splotch, i hit it in such a manner as to only dizzy it. i can now disable-shot mosquitors.
20:27	mircea_popescu	does this qualify me for a black belt or something ?
20:27	ascii_field	this is sop where i live
20:28	ascii_field	perhaps the new ones have harder carapace
20:29	mircea_popescu	first one i've seen in a month or two
20:30	ascii_field	i encountered a good number of mosquitoes in b-a but none bit me. couldn't help but think of the old sf stories re: creatures on alien planet unable to eat (or be eaten by) us on account of wrong protein chirality
20:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 259400 @ 0.00042478 = 110.1879 BTC [-] {5}
20:32	BingoBoingo	I tend to just... clean up the blood. They are disease carrying organisms and deserve nothing but lethal intent.
20:33	mircea_popescu	you know colt made some pretty kickass pistols.
20:33	ascii_field	once upon a time.
20:33	ascii_field	but now they're something like 'atari'
20:33	mircea_popescu	i suspect the usg policy against private small arms has finally found the chokehold : drive the manufacturers out of business.
20:33	ascii_field	a name without a body
20:34	ascii_field	afaik colt did not actually manufacture anything, in own factories, other than usg orders, for some years (decades?)
20:34	mircea_popescu	<ascii_field> i consider this to be a necessary thing << it is.
20:34	ascii_field	but used subcontractors in turdworld
20:34	ascii_field	so colt ~= atari.
20:34	mircea_popescu	<ascii_field> this will be a substantial change in default behaviour, because the thing ~will~ have to be given irc server params on command line, and/or seed ips, or ~will not run~ << this is the wrong approach. config file, with sane defaults.
20:35	mircea_popescu	never, ever, EVERY may any input be required from the user imperatively.
20:35	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: sane defaults produced how?
20:35	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> i suspect the usg policy against private small arms has finally found the chokehold : drive the manufacturers out of business. << Most of the good "Colt" designs are now made better by others. Argentinas Taurus is one.
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20:35	mircea_popescu	user has the option to provide input, program that depends on input to run was shipped broken
20:35	ascii_field	presently thing ships with no config
20:35	ascii_field	and no mechanism to copy it to user's homedir
20:35	ascii_field	if we had node(s) running, could supply this default.
20:35	ascii_field	presently - we do not.
20:36	mircea_popescu	<mats> mighta had a chance if privately owned by black disabled lesbian << no. belgian firm has to import weapons, so they can be kept off mnarket. colt does not hyave to import anythinfg, can just turn around and sell. the usg will award no further contracts for anything to anyone who can also sell to us civillians, jus watch.
20:36	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: ... program that depends on input to run was shipped broken << L0L!! 'cat' ships broken ?
20:36	mircea_popescu	very similar situation to the entire "we don't spy on citizens, the brits did, as part of an agreement we made with them, so whatcha gonna do"
20:37	ascii_field	^ dates back to '90s 'echelon' and not at all secret
20:37	ascii_field	(the 'five eyes eyeing one another' thing)
20:37	mircea_popescu	ascii_field if it doesn't have a -Y mode (assume y on all questions) yes.
20:39	ascii_field	everything depends on input
20:39	mats	i don't know much about how procurement and acquisitions works
20:39	mircea_popescu	mno.
20:39	mircea_popescu	and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a0b21db7f61f3860f5eac1b1e51afd35/tumblr_nq3kdrsamT1sgfmbuo2_500.jpg
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20:39	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BjZCSY )
20:39	ascii_field	but basic point - yes - need nodes, so can have usable default
20:40	mats	i'm under the mistaken impression that USG only gives contracts to US corps
20:40	ascii_field	mats: belgium is in the reich, therefore just as good as florida etc
20:40	mats	particularly those related to defense
20:40	mats	oh i see
20:41	BingoBoingo	<ascii_field> but basic point - yes - need nodes, so can have usable default << As weaponixation approaches a suggested .conf updated occasionally may be welcome for maintained nodes but harder for pogo "fire and forget" nodes
20:41	ascii_field	BingoBoingo: presumably those will rely heavily on 'last seen' cache.
20:42	ascii_field	but yes, the initial seeds ~must~ work.
20:42	mircea_popescu	default as in, default for irc.
20:42	ascii_field	and it is entirely insufficient to have merely one or two of them.
20:42	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: at present time the irc routine is, notice, still in. complete with idiot hardcoded hostname
20:44	mircea_popescu	myah
20:44	ascii_field	was thinking of tearing out the hardcoded hostname in favour of ip:port read from config
20:45	ascii_field	(which - yes - will have to be filled in on initial run)
20:45	ascii_field	thing is, i fucking hate magic constants
20:45	ascii_field	hardcoded
20:46	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
20:46	BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-06-2015#1161193 << The entire just get a bic and why not butane business is what's wrong with computing. Experimental pocket firebox (in contrast to one with the girl and the ass) has lit when offered everything from 40% ETOH to decade old Kerosene
20:46	assbot	Logged on 11-06-2015 17:13:25; ascii_field: (butane lighters have existed for what, half a century now ?)
20:46	ascii_field	thing should come with a suggested config, yes. and it is the responsibility of the installer (gentoo 'emerge' or whatever) to emplace it.
20:47	ascii_field	BingoBoingo: i occasionally light blowtorches, gas-fired soldering irons, etc. can only use a) match b) butane lighter
20:47	ascii_field	a petrol or naptha wick lighter dries out if left alone for six months between uses.
20:48	BingoBoingo	naptha/petrol lighter dries out within 2 weeks. Bless that the fuel is cheap.
20:48	ascii_field	but worthless to me
20:48	ascii_field	because wtf
20:48	ascii_field	matchbox beats it for 'minimum effort.'
20:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 45984 @ 0.00004 = 1.8394 BTC [-] {5}
20:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92450 @ 0.00044425 = 41.0709 BTC [+] {4}
20:49	BingoBoingo	But what if you need to torch dupont circle? Will a tiny butane flame from a bic catch of the straw roofs in humid conditions?
20:49	BingoBoingo	matchbox indeed is often ideal
20:50	BingoBoingo	paper books of matches often still better than box
20:50	ascii_field	straw roofs lol
20:51	BingoBoingo	High R-values, you know the building codes will promote them soon
20:52	pete_dushenski	"Jimmy Lee was a vice chairman at JPMorgan Chase and was widely credited with developing the leveraged loan market in the United States." << dead at age 62.
20:52	pete_dushenski	same age as putin for whatever that's worth
20:54	BingoBoingo	;;ud american fist
20:54	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The+American+Fist | The American Fist. * When you fist a girl so hard and so deep it causes her to pass-out. * Shove it loud, and shove it proud. I really should have token my ...
20:54	BingoBoingo	^ unlikely 'Murican nao
20:54	pete_dushenski	"The Royal Bank of Scotland said on Wednesday that about 600,000 customer transactions had not been processed as a result of a technology failure overnight. The issue affected transactions at the company’s R.B.S., National Westminster Bank, Coutts and Ulster Bank brands." << wasn't there an old meme about 'bitcoin users not affected' ? seems appropriate here.
20:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00044638 = 3.3702 BTC [+]
20:56	BingoBoingo	!t m s.mpoe
20:56	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00040954 / 0.00043001 / 0.00044638 (1624630 shares, 698.62 BTC), 7D: 0.0003539 / 0.00040764 / 0.00044638 (15483015 shares, 6,311.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00024411 / 0.00033126 / 0.00044638 (117802097 shares, 39,023.80 BTC)
20:59	pete_dushenski	https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxxXk1d3yyuZOFlsdkNMSGswSGs/view << or why you shouldn't use an operating system 'keychain' to store your passwords
20:59	assbot	report.pdf - Google Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk0V4h )
20:59	pete_dushenski	"Unauthorized Cross-App Resource Access on MAC OS X and iOS" ^
20:59	ascii_field	keychain?
20:59	pete_dushenski	password storage manager
21:00	ascii_field	like the 'yubikey' turd mtgox shipped ?
21:00	pete_dushenski	autofills credentials
21:00	ascii_field	ah
21:00	pete_dushenski	built into os
21:00	pete_dushenski	'always on'
21:00	ascii_field	sounds terminally braindamaged to begin with
21:01	ascii_field	and convenient sack of 'crown jewels' for whoever pwns the box
21:01	pete_dushenski	and, not unsurprisingly, terminally common
21:01	BingoBoingo	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2514
21:01	assbot	JL: ‘The European Age’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk14Vr )
21:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39259 @ 0.00044638 = 17.5244 BTC [+]
21:06	pete_dushenski	"Tony Clement @TonyclementCPC "Confirmed today that Govt of Canada GC servers have been cyberattacked. Until full service is restored please use 1-800-OCanada." 11:59 AM - 17 Jun 2015 "
21:06	pete_dushenski	bwahahha
21:06	ascii_field	GC?
21:06	ascii_field	garbage collector ?
21:06	pete_dushenski	lol!
21:07	pete_dushenski	i think clement is being redundant.
21:08	pete_dushenski	'anonymous' has laid claim, citing 'bill c-51'
21:08	pete_dushenski	c-51 is some cyberterrorism baloney
21:10	pete_dushenski	the dinner guests (rare treat, this) will be here momentarily so i must depart for the evening. bon soir a tous !
21:13	BingoBoingo	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2512
21:13	assbot	JL: Steak and Eggs for Breakfast ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk2EXx )
21:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00044638 = 26.1579 BTC [+]
21:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36236 @ 0.0004355 = 15.7808 BTC [-]
21:15	*	BingoBoingo impressed someone seems to exceed even trilema in writing pace
21:17	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
21:17	ascii_field	BingoBoingo: /dev/random also exceeds it
21:17	ascii_field	as does my arse
21:17	ascii_field	i'd still rather read trilema
21:23	BingoBoingo	Indeed. Still suprised by such documentation of urban 'Murican decline
21:27	*	BingoBoingo still scours lafond site for information which may aid 11 year plan
21:28	BingoBoingo	In other news the first of the daisies are opening today.
21:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00044687 = 51.8369 BTC [+] {4}
21:40	BingoBoingo	I offer lafond fumbling over the corn plan in action http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2533
21:40	assbot	JL: The Hoodrat Hatchery ... ( http://bit.ly/1d2Dyk4 )
21:41	trinque	so web browsers are gonna run binaries now eh?
21:41	trinque	http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/17/google-microsoft-mozilla-and-others-team-up-to-launch-webassembly-a-new-binary-format-for-the-web/
21:41	assbot	Google, Microsoft, Mozilla And Others Team Up To Launch WebAssembly, A New Binary Format For The Web | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1d2DAZ2 )
21:41	trinque	what could go wrong
21:42	ascii_field	l0l microshit at the table
21:42	BingoBoingo	trinque: No, not so long as lynx lives. This is just the next stem from js.asm
21:42	trinque	ascii_field: they just wanna give the web a nice hug
21:42	ascii_field	just when we thought 'flash' had finally died
21:42	trinque	and google's clearly taking a page from old microshit 90s tactics
21:43	trinque	knew NaCL was going to be activex-google-edition
21:43	ascii_field	thing is, classic js, for all the turdaliciousness, was 'too debuggable' for usg tastes.
21:44	BingoBoingo	Lafond's excellent take on ISIS http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2531
21:44	assbot	JL: ‘They Took Out Entire City Blocks' ... ( http://bit.ly/1QF1wo7 )
21:44	trinque	ascii_field: right, did you also see (I think I put it in the logs) Apple's move to compile to apps to an intermediate bytecode, which is then transformed to whichever back-end machine code?
21:44	trinque	*to compile apps
21:45	ascii_field	eh they use stock llvm
21:45	ascii_field	it sorta does this already
21:45	trinque	ah ok
21:45	ascii_field	yes, i get it, everybody wants to copy microshit
21:45	trinque	looked like a move where you "sign" your release, but then they can diddle endlessly at the final step
21:46	ascii_field	and all sorta of unsavory actors relish a mandated compile into a poorly-understood, sloppily-implemented instruction set for which there are no quality reversing tools
21:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31064 @ 0.0004355 = 13.5284 BTC [-]
21:47	trinque	If this sounds depressing, do not worry. We will finally get to see how our Abrams Main Battle Tank holds up under state of the art airstrikes—because, ISIS now has 10 of those suckers and 100 more Humvees! << lol
21:48	trinque	BingoBoingo: I can see an angle on the entire middle eastern expedition right there
21:48	trinque	permanent training ground and excuse to expend (and replace!) equipment
21:49	BingoBoingo	trinque: Also, practice for Texas treaty secession
21:50	BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field
21:50	trinque	lol
21:50	trinque	yeah, I can see that point too
21:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38126 @ 0.0004248 = 16.1959 BTC [-] {2}
21:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95774 @ 0.00041823 = 40.0556 BTC [-] {3}
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22:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00042852 = 12.3842 BTC [+]
22:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00041729 = 14.9181 BTC [-]
22:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00041241 = 19.5482 BTC [-] {2}
22:38	mircea_popescu	aaannnnd in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0954fb8bce8dbda84c8979f18e581cfe/tumblr_nptqm20yoj1uojgsco1_1280.jpg
22:38	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GgVFds )
22:41	BingoBoingo	Those are some small balls
22:43	mircea_popescu	lol i guess so huh
22:44	cazalla	mebe he was in the pool
22:45	mats	https://fairygodboss.com
22:45	assbot	Company reviews by women, for women | Fairygodboss ... ( http://bit.ly/1GgWC5o )
22:46	mircea_popescu	trinque> knew NaCL was going to be activex-google-edition << word.
22:49	mircea_popescu	"the nihilist ISIS Islamist horror show" heh. some kids not giving a shit about these kids circlejerk does not actually enact them into some sort of objective absolute.
22:49	mircea_popescu	they're simply some kids that don't give a shit about a particular set of conventional nonsense
22:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00043205 = 11.1253 BTC [+] {2}
22:51	mircea_popescu	anyway, to take a page out of alf's book, "we will know terminal decline stage by this sign, that ivy-limp bureaucrats will organise tranny beheading parties and then gather the heads in a sack and take them to isis, as a ritual sacrifice. much to everyone's confusion and wtf in that camp."
22:51	BingoBoingo	;;google dolezal
22:51	gribble	Rachel Dolezal's brother: She's 'making up more lies' - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/17/us/washington-rachel-dolezal-naacp/index.html?eref=rss_topstories>; Rachel Dolezal, ex-NAACP leader: 'I identify as black' - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/us/washington-rachel-dolezal-naacp/>; Rachel Dolezal's brother, author Joshua Dolezal, faces trial for ...: (1 more message)
22:52	BingoBoingo	Apparently the Clarence Thomas fellow can be trans-white, but this blonde chick can't be trans-black
22:52	trinque	ahahaha
22:53	*	BingoBoingo making good progress on my efforts to be trans-mexican.
22:53	trinque	I'm a goddamn steamboat
22:53	trinque	why not?
22:53	BingoBoingo	!b 5
22:53	assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1J316ES.txt )
22:53	BingoBoingo	Fuck you Imma Dragon
22:54	trinque	lol
22:55	trinque	what wonders will "I identify as" bring next
22:55	BingoBoingo	Not really, but did "La Bamba" during Saturday night karaoke and rando polo wearing ham asked me if I did yard work. Fucker was purpised when I started offering prices.
22:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90500 @ 0.00044975 = 40.7024 BTC [+] {2}
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23:14	cazalla	woot woot, the courier delivered my 2 x white shahtoot mulberry.. first time ordering plants online, preddy impressed tbh, arrive safe and sound
23:17	decimation	asciilifeform: note that susan rice is also part of the 'rice cameron family foundation'
23:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67641 @ 0.00044978 = 30.4236 BTC [+] {2}
23:32	asciilifeform	not one of those buggers depends on honest (or otherwise) ~work~ for a living.
23:35	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167008 << i fired a (rented) 'taurus' '45 at a firing range. it had parts clearly cast from shitmetal.
23:35	assbot	Logged on 18-06-2015 00:35:22; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i suspect the usg policy against private small arms has finally found the chokehold : drive the manufacturers out of business. << Most of the good "Colt" designs are now made better by others. Argentinas Taurus is one.
23:36	asciilifeform	not even certain the hammer was 100% steel
23:38	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Like everything else sold in 'Murican Market actual product costs substantial premium over given product.
23:38	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the existence of pistols with 'zamac' moving parts blew my mind
23:38	asciilifeform	can't wait for the zamac barrels
23:39	asciilifeform	('3d printed!!111!1')
23:39	BingoBoingo	lol
23:39	BingoBoingo	Thankfully .45 ACP generates relatively low pressures
23:39	asciilifeform	betcha clay would work better.
23:39	asciilifeform	(pottery: the original 3d print!)
23:39	BingoBoingo	Now clay is a material with wildly inconsistent properties
23:41	decimation	that Al lower receiver looked pretty solid
23:41	BingoBoingo	For the record I am under the impression Kimber and "Springfield Armory" are the leaders in Model 1911 production with Taurus leading the M-92 production
23:41	asciilifeform	decimation: not a pressurized part
23:41	asciilifeform	can make from cardboard if you want.
23:41	decimation	no, one would need to buy good quality upper and barrel
23:42	asciilifeform	well yes. but the lower thing only holds a few springs and the mag
23:42	BingoBoingo	Taurus also by its subsidiary Rossi seems to be dominating the lever action rifle market as well
23:42	decimation	I imagine the accuracy of the rifle might be affected by cardboard trigger pull :)
23:42	asciilifeform	(the upper half of that rifle, on account of some peculiar usg archaicism, is sold openly)
23:43	decimation	I wonder if you can also craft a suppressor yourself, to make the thing civilized?
23:43	asciilifeform	does one, strictly speaking, even need the lower to fire the rifle ?
23:43	asciilifeform	or can you shoot it 'by hand' like you could the old lugers ?
23:43	decimation	something needs to hold the trigger group together
23:43	asciilifeform	can you simply whack the pin by hand ?
23:43	decimation	my understanding of m-4 is that the lower does this
23:43	decimation	heh
23:43	decimation	well, can put .22 in a pipe too
23:44	BingoBoingo	<decimation> I wonder if you can also craft a suppressor yourself, to make the thing civilized? << paladin press torrent will yeild a bounty on this subject
23:44	decimation	this is why 'banning guns' is silly
23:44	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: not 'high tech'
23:44	asciilifeform	(no more so than the one on your car)
23:44	BingoBoingo	<decimation> well, can put .22 in a pipe too << 12 ga better "pipe" caliber candidate
23:45	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Of course not. Few good things are "high tech"
23:45	asciilifeform	i believe traditional american 'zip gun' is a '12ga'
23:45	asciilifeform	specifically on account of matching the 'calibers' found in a typical plumbing goods shop
23:45	BingoBoingo	Traditional zip gun is .22 or .25 caliber, but... if choosing off the shelf pipes why not go big?
23:46	asciilifeform	harlan ellison described his years as teenaged scum with some detail re: this weapon
23:46	asciilifeform	i can't recall the precise details. anyone who needs this - straight to him.
23:47	decimation	apparently you can craft your own suppressor if you pay USG $200
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23:48	decimation	under fdr-era gun law
23:49	BingoBoingo	decimation: In Missouri, Montana, and select rebel territories such tribute is unecessary if manufactered in state
23:53	decimation	I don't think so
23:53	decimation	it's a federal law
23:54	decimation	some states won't let you have them even if they are registered
23:55	decimation	apparently in Washington state you can own, but not use
23:55	decimation	anti-gun nuts love to make guns louder, so they annoy people on nuisance grounds
23:57	BingoBoingo	decimation: it is a grey area open to continuing litigation which is why the states in question pushed this kind of federal premption stuff forward, to keep the lawyers in an other than nekkid state
23:57	BingoBoingo	"job creation" and all
23:57	BingoBoingo	So what if Billy Bob does 10 years in Marion

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