#trilema | 2015-06-13

Logged on 06-06-2015 18:55:43; ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156199 << -if- you know how. otherwise it's a waste of precious and entirely nonrenewable resource (model m)

~ 2 hours 44 minutes ~

09:35

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163165 < many lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/39mhko/does_eth_intend_to_release_financial_statements/cs4u4im

09:35

Logged on 13-06-2015 05:37:45; cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/

09:35

xcthulhu comments on Does eth intend to release financial statements, investor relations reports, etc.? ... ( http://bit.ly/1cSrsdj )

09:35

l0l!

09:35

it was alive ?!

09:43

> folks keep trying to offer me mining gigs in exotic places < lol, yeah i also can get a job as a diaper changer in a local nursery

~ 42 minutes ~

10:26

mircea_popescu: key pump is back on, using somewhat faster proggy

10:26

cool!

10:27

mircea_popescu: apparently rewrite using something other than sqlite seems inevitable. db is getting abominably slow.

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heh

10:27

any idea what causes it ? the lengthy P ?

10:28

nah

10:28

it doesn't live in db

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just the overall size of the data set

10:32

mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1B9S7EG.txt

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... ( http://bit.ly/1QvezIz )

10:32

whats the current size of sqlite db?

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is sql that bad that data set size chokes it ?!

10:33

kakobrekla: ~3.5G

10:33

heh, put it to ram + snapshoots ?

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though i'm seeing conflicting info re: optimal size for these

10:34

how much ram would it eat, any idea /

10:34

~3.5G

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:D

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or dunno, dance with the devil and take the ssd :)

10:36

kakobrekla: it's on a box mircea_popescu supplied, subcontracted from some orc

10:36

overall pretty decent one

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but, afaik, no ssd

10:36

lucky box isnt welded shut

10:37

asciilifeform dja eat the 24g or whatever it had for teh maths ? or can spare the 4g ?

10:37

good deal of free mem

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but doing just about any of this would blow up the complexity of the thing 50x.

10:38

will have to think

10:39

just set the db to ram, it has a switch

10:39

this would work if i didn't have separate unix processes using it simultaneously.

10:40

phuctor is really a severe abuse of 'sqlite'

10:41

'all database connections sharing the in-memory database need to be in the same process.' << from docs.

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(and pretty obvious)

10:42

heh myeah.

10:43

'ten pounds of shit in a two-pound bag' (tm) (r)

10:43

i don't think the bag makers can be blamed for this one

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asciilifeform didn't blame the bag-makers

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asciilifeform will have to stitch a new bag

10:43

would moving the file to ramdisk make a diff?

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and using non in-memory db

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kakobrekla: doubtful. kernel is already caching disk

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plus i'd have to persist the thing -somehow-

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does it cache it enough tho

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ipso facto not enough

10:44

so then does it have a knob

10:45

$ sudo sig-cache-more-plox kernel

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you know templeos is only a step in that direction, i'd like to see unix skinned by valley girls, upper east side hipsters, mexicans, etc.

10:46

there are knobs but, iirc, turning them risks data loss.

10:46

$ like totally what's even here ?

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templeos isn't a unix

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i didn't say it was!

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not sure what 'skinned' is then

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not more than you blamed the bag makers, at any rate

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lol

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hehe

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http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html << good intro to subject

~ 30 minutes ~

11:21

in other news, there are giant wasps living in one of my walls.

11:21

spiders and all ?

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no idea what others. but the wasps are audible.

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^ this is a known problem in this part of the world. once there was even a colony infesting side mirror of my brother's car. it was actually nifty, he could pull the mirror adjustment joystick and release swarm at passing cyclists

11:26

lmao

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i'd like a brother like that.

11:27

iirc mircea_popescu has sister ?

11:27

i do.

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she just got married, actually.

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anything notable about the marriage ?

11:28

nope

11:30

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asciilifeform wonders what lives in BingoBoingo's mega-car

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or pete_dushenski's

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ah, that's easy. dead hookers.

11:32

every car owner knows of animals 'preyed on' by the machines, but not always about the... revenge. there are beasts here, for instance (iirc groundhogs) which will chew through brake lines and coolant hoses

11:32

like the famous rats of stalingrad, which chewed through delicious electrical cables, taking out tank turret rotators

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(by some accounts, only one side had 'tasty' cable insulation. but -which- side - varies)

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heh

~ 17 minutes ~

11:52

hey mircea_popescu, what is your backup plan? in the event someone like the USG ..tries.. to pwn you? mpex, coins, etc?

11:53

oh, in the event it ~tries~ ?

11:53

blog about it. haven't you noticed ?

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http://i.imgur.com/TLvwKz1.png << mysterious object i saw in a movie. wonder if mircea_popescu can identify.

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... ( http://bit.ly/1JPLVwl )

11:53

'tineye' finds nothing, 'google images' finds toilets

11:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00038517 = 1.9259 BTC [+]

11:57

something photographed with a potato ?

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mno

11:57

cunt massager ?

11:57

mats

s.mpoe sleeps

11:58

object sorta resembled the hypothetical device from old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#896738

11:58

Logged on 26-10-2014 05:49:56; mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the ultimate girl toilet, what is all this "lift the seat, lower the seat" bs.

11:58

why do you suspect that ?

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ya, I have. mostly I guess in the event of physical illness.. an heir of sorts ?

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i'm not even 40.

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mircea_popescu: only suspected from the geometry. it's more or less exactly like i imagined it would look like.

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and i intend to withdraw long before advanced age makes the crown too heavy to carry. i have a fucking life to live outside of public service.

11:59

asciilifeform nah because the receptacle appears rigid. girls pee at many angles.

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lol

12:00

sznipers, chemical concoctions, etc.

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mircea_popescu: believe or not, i once read a (ru) ph.d. dissertation on this subject.

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(re: anatomical variations and consequences thereof. based on thousands of hours of 'wild' pr0n from various nations)

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menahem what you don't likely know is that i lived a decade and change of my life previously also with people tastiung my food etc.

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asciilifeform seems reasonable >D

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in other words, you've mentally hard wired protections for yourself ?

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mats

lol

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in any case, how did that quote go, "i bequeath

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bequeath my sword to him that shall succeed me in my pilgrimage, and my courage and skill to him that can get it.

12:05

convo with pet: 'her: why have you not opened mircea_popescu's champagne? me: it is for victory. her: and if you are defeated: me: enemy can drink it then'

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lol

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!b 2

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Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38D9CX6.txt )

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eh you should drink it. for one thing, there's more for victory, and for another bottled champagne doens't keep forever.

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ill remove my line, dun worry.

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gotta go to victory soon, then, eh

12:06

how long does the bottle last anyway?

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a few years

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it's well on its way, from what i gather.

12:06

it becomes more and more sec as the time goes by

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so the SEC will get sec wine, no problemos.

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if they don't mind it yellow.

12:11

https://xotika.tv/#/channel-6/DiamondMaria enjoy bros :p

12:11

XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C4FUoZ )

12:11

still fixing shitload of ui javascript issuess

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but there we go

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Naphex: saw it announced on Reddit, well done

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fluffypony: thanks man

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mircea_popescu fires up a normal browser

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ZOMG IT DOESN'T WORK IN LYNX

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:-

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p

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ffs.

12:13

mircea_popescu: javascript and flash required so fire up the lowly ones:P

12:13

for that sort of thing it is nice that Chrome has Flash baked in

12:13

fluffypony do not hate me because i am lithe!

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but how will you browse without JavaScript animationzzzzz

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fluffypony: no idea :))

12:14

so much to debug in angularjs

12:15

I have a love/hate relationship with Angular

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it does so much that is awesome

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but then...you know...JavaScript

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oh man... javascript

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most depressing language

12:17

Naphex well everything loads but no video plays, dunno if there was supposed to play anything

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nice clean look tho

12:17

mircea_popescu: the first link went in pause try the browse channel

12:17

mircea_popescu: https://xotika.tv/#/channel-19/Sonia

12:17

XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPNPNy )

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ah kk

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mircea_popescu: a lot more to clean up and annoying js bugs around but yeha went fine:D

12:18

well browse's broken on this browser, no doubt on account of it being prolly too old. anyway.

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mircea_popescu: try chrome, only tested in chrome atm

12:19

firefox blows up

12:19

danielpbarron bingoboingo an' any other b-a single gentlemen - if you want to try this out ima give you a bitcent to tip the chciks and then you can pester naphex with how broken it is. dump addies.

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unsafe:bitcoin:1FuKNdUgR1ytXnVNAiXCYS7whP99e2vj43?label=XotikaTV

12:27

https://medium.com/bitcoin-think/the-bitcoin-gauntlet-e9e721297aca << starts off with a link and quote from trilema

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The Bitcoin Gauntlet — Bitcoin Think — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPOCxN )

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scoopbot_revived

The Birdcage http://trilema.com/2015/the-birdcage/

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btw, i'm hiring angular/javascript coders for the frontend. if anyone interested shoot me a /m \

12:28

payments in bitcoin, ofc

12:33

>> Ultimately this is yet another reason why Bitcoin is not money; it is something that is collectively controlled by consensus, unlike money which is accepted by consensus. In any new definition of money there should be a clause saying that its nature is independent of anyone's opinion or act.

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heh

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bring back plato

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mxtm

lol

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mxtm

that's hilarious

12:33

somebody didn't go to school.

12:36

Essentially, Megablock Bitcoin will be exactly like the Apple App Store. <<< mmmm yeah.

12:39

anyway, guy gets it.

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https://medium.com/@allenpiscitello/what-is-bitcoin-s-value-proposition-b7309be442e3 << this guy also gets it

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>> This is in large part due to a nostalgia for the Bitcoin of the past. As Bitcoin grows, we cannot guarantee which parts of the accidental benefits will still be present. However, the fundamental properties must remain. Without it, Bitcoin offers nothing that isn't already offered.

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cool.

12:47

mircea_popescu: footnote 2 is a winner

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aha

12:48

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922121 << related

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Logged on 14-11-2014 21:29:47; asciilifeform: the idea in the article can (and has) been rephrased like this. if you remove all the 'suggestively-named strings' like 'understand' - and replace with 'gensyms' - e.g., 100324 - does the resulting machine still do or even appear to do anything of interest?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3510 @ 0.00038168 = 1.3397 BTC [-]

12:51

exactly that.

12:52

to be perfectly fair, in the same session i also explained my view on cheating on university examinations,

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specifically that it is not merely cheating to be given in advance the questions which will constitute the exam (which, to my undying amazement, i found out is by now actually standard practice in the us), but even to be given any sort of selected reading material that contains a larger density of answers than the average for the entire world text.

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usually known as "course material", ie, "these few pageswhich if you read, you should be able to answer anything"

12:53

fuck that stupid shit. go read.

12:55

sorta reminds me of how i, as a boy, saw a brass band, and asked my father why they don't simply connect a compressor to the tuba and avoid the strain. and answered 'from this, just one step to dispensing with the tubist entirely'. and hence just the same here, from this just one small step to asking 'why even do this university thing'

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no.

12:56

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2014#729349 << obligatory mark tarver thread

12:56

Logged on 23-06-2014 00:11:01; mircea_popescu: After seven years of the new regime, I had the opportunity to compare the class of 1999 with the class of 1992. In 1992 I set an course in Artificial Intelligence requiring students to solve six exercises, including building a Prolog interpreter. In 1999, six exercises had shrunk to one; which was a 12 line Prolog program for which eight weeks were allotted for students to write it. A special class

12:56

university is important because the close physical proximity is a requisite for fucking in retards, and students are yet retarded

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thought that's what grade school was for

12:58

do you mean grad school or pre-highschool ?

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(2)

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i doubt 14yo boys are sexually mature enough really.

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'fucking in' << interesting term

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who gets 'fucked in' at university, and how ?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21290 @ 0.00038168 = 8.126 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63637 @ 0.00038119 = 24.2578 BTC [-] {2}

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asciilifeform no, "fucking in retards", like "reproduction in mammals"

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ah

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the non-retarded can fuck over telegraph ?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4077 @ 0.00038384 = 1.5649 BTC [+]

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well think, they can afford to fly.

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but that said, the wot model does dispense with most of the previous advantages of university

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so no, i don't see any sort of future for that model, which is EXACTLY why i pointed out to tim whatshisname that either he gets with the program or he goes live in the sewer.

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uni is really two (conflicting) beasts in one

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the adult camp, where various (presently, usg-ized to the point of utter inefficacy) folks play with electron microscope, etc

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and the kidz camp

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we don't actually have a replacement for the former, to pick off the shelf and screw in.

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yes, we do. ideally you should have sharing.

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like, you knock off to decimation and two friends over gossipd "can you ploxpoint your microtelescope at the x y z and send me the dump ?"

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and they do it or not and there you go.

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aha but this requires a chum with access.

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this is how it is done today. and the chum 100% works in academitardia.

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(or he doesn't, and no microscope)

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see how it worked for schwartz

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he just wanted to borrow one piddling little torsion balance, aha.

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he had no wot.

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this is not a defense of the 'old model', but merely pointing out that 1) it is dead, yes 2) we have no replacement for it, not even in the sense that a horse can replace a broken-down motorcycle

13:20

we mostly have a broken motorbike and making 'zoom, zoom' sounds

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so if i want a 3d printed item, which university i call ?

13:22

bad example

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you will notice that the capital base of the oldmodel is dying into irreelvancy

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'printer' costs less than laptop

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no, it's a great example, for this reason.

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there is ~no~ 'common man's' electron microscope

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nor, for fundamental physical reasons, is there likely to be

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the middle of electron microscopes is thinning out.

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hence why i use this item as example

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research either happens on 500 dollar 3d printers, or else on 500 trillion hadron colliders

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thgere's going to be one of the latter and an infinity of the former.

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and there's likely going ot be 0 of the middle.

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most practical work in experimental-anything actually happens on the 'middle' (as in, 'more than a car, less than a house' (tm) machinery)

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yet.

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most by headcount, least by value anyway

13:25

better example of 'middle'. my local uni has a 1980s-style ic fab. just sitting there.

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this is kind-of why it's so damned important we start making right things

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it isn't a '500 trillion collider' but definitely more than '500 printer'

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it is perhaps the last diamond train to do so.

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last one.

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?

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if you need anything that has to be made on something in the middle, make it now.

↖ ↖

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because it's unlikely you'll be able to in the future.

13:27

ah, that.

13:27

just like if you wanted a good plate mail, have it made in 1650.

13:28

obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html

13:28

ClubOrlov: Industry's Parting Gifts ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVyBaf )

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the 'unlikely in the future' thing is why i view the present situation as a dire one. at present, 'we' don't have access to any of these things.

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anyway, ftr : i don't expect the electric grid will cease to exist.

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(speaking only for self, sure)

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i do expect the poor will stop having sewage.

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i suppose a version of the above "make it now" is what drives your hoarding behaviour

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aha.

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sometimes, literally (i'm getting a crate of east german z80 in the post a month or so from now)

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heh

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and more than a handful of 'cosmac's

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not like they take up much space.

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lol

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mircea_popescu despairs of ever moving alf anywhere.

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l0l

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everything 'archaeological' i have could probably fit in a small car boot.

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everything else is a 'middle'.

13:36

you know, YOU should probably start a harem

13:37

it can be purely platonic, "you may touch the instruments" thing

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'outpatient' harem ?

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alf & pet's magical hardware emporium.

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for my curiosity, you ever computed aggregate monthly utilisation of your capital goods ?

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asciilifeform wonders in what part of the world gurlz are into archaeohardware

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there's billions of them, and they are very educable.

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mircea_popescu: good question. do you remember what u. eco said when asked how many of the books in his library he has read ?

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(iirc it was 'if i had read them, why would i park them in my shelf')

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thinkaboutit

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asciilifeform if knew how to program gurlz, would be doing it now, rather than writing a list of items to fetch from maths lib. before it closes for the night

13:44

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163165 << lollercaust from coast to coast.

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Logged on 13-06-2015 05:37:45; cazalla: looking like ethereum is imploding.. who could've known.. oh btw investors are now donors lol https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/ethereum-deputy-calls-investors-donors-in-leaked-skype-chat/

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and obviously mike & gavincoin's dog and pony show have yet to address the fact that "hey, we are ehtereum 2.0, we have the support of "investors" and so on"

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163199 << the limit is not the engine but the graphics work. so far realtively little of that done.

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Logged on 13-06-2015 06:56:20; punkman: Eulora would work nice as a MUD

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http://kaykurokawa.blogspot.com/2015/06/front-running-decentralized-exchanges.html >> But they are wrong because a centralized exchange faces serious damage in its reputation and business if it is revealed that they are front running. Bitcoin hard liners will scoff at this idea but believe it or not, some systems work fine based on reputation and trust.

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kaykurokawa: Front running Decentralized Exchanges: The problem with Augur, Bitshares, Nxt, and Counterparty ... ( http://bit.ly/1QvEwaQ )

13:52

found this while researching why XCP went up 30% over the last few days

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00038384 = 8.3485 BTC [+]

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http://shitco.in/2015/06/13/life-is-a-pump-and-dump-front-run-the-xcp-pump/ << ah, this explains why

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shitco.in | Life Is A Pump And Dump, Front Run The XCP Pump ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5NfK4 )

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>> Disclaimer: We are long XCP. While everyone was out chasing unicorn dust in alts, we have been accumulating XCP, bitchez.

14:18

danielpbarron "bitcoin hardliners" is becoming the #1 strawman. #shitlibertardssay

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the opinions about the Mysts of Mystery emitted by fans of the power rangers and co.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1162961 << my laptop's b key has finally stopped working after years of the 'key' not actually being attached (the rubber bulb still worked)

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Logged on 13-06-2015 01:27:23; asciilifeform: today's disposables have no springs, only rubber bulbs (molded into a sheet)

14:25

I now have to use a full size keyboard plugged into my laptop; thing might as well be a desktop now especially since wifi hasn't worked ever since I switched from ubuntu to gentoo

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it's surprising how many sentences I can type without access to the letter 'b' but ultimately I end up needing it quite a bit (barron, bitcoin, bible)

14:30

you could map it...

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or just use 'lorrd', 'nonscamcoin', and 'the fairy tale' instead.

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llol

~ 18 minutes ~

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danielpbarron: what laptop is it you have where you can't find a new kbd on, e.g., 'ebay' ? a 'tadpole' ?!

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00038517 = 11.2084 BTC [+]

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i haven't looked

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danielpbarron: to the xmodmap with ye

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it didn't occur to me to even try replacing a keyboard on a laptop

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danielpbarron is ok with occasionally reaching to the floor to press the 'b' key

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'-- my tyre has a nail in it. car won't go straight. -- have you tried finding a swap? -- haven't looked'

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danielpbarron: generally, i won't even keep a laptop in the house unless i have several 'organ donors' for it

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same here

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danielpbarron takes notes

15:18

in other 'news,'

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http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/_niece/3991032/81266/81266_original.jpg << empress maria theresa whipping her childrenz.

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... ( http://bit.ly/1Baqxkj )

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('national museum,' warsaw)

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<+danielpbarron> it's surprising how many sentences I can type without access to the letter 'b' but ultimately I end up needing it quite a bit (barron, bitcoin, bible) << reminds me of my broken 'O' key on my asus laptop these guys saw at c3. i still havent fixed it. haha.

15:19

what other kinds of broken everyday objects do you folks put up with ?

15:19

how many three-legged tables, chairs ?

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asciilifeform mildly horrified

15:20

i have a $100 car that the drivers side window doesn't roll down, and the passenger side doesn't roll up. no rear view mirror (it fell off) and the side mirror is taped on with Ninja Turtle ductape.

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(it's like -25 F sometimes here in the winter. try driving down the freeway with that!)

15:21

but the idea here is that i put no $ into it, and when the wheels fall off, i'll pitch the keys on the seat and go find another.

15:21

mod6: you can get schematics and parts list for just about any car on ru warez

15:24

*nod* i went so long without a car, it's hard for me to spend any money on that stuff at all. if i could still get away with not having one, i would.

15:28

speaking of which... i think i've got one wheelbearing that's about to sieze

15:28

sounds horrible. lol

15:29

i used to wrench on stuff a lot myself, but now (last ~15 years) have no time. too much comp stuff to work on.

15:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.0003785 = 10.3709 BTC [-] {2}

15:30

my old man would be horrified that i don't fix the shit on my car. he was a "car guy". used to wrench on stuff, build his own racecars, was an expert mechanic.

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but w/e.

15:31

pain in the ass to work on cars if you don't have the right garage setup to do it

15:31

that's about 75% of the battle yes. tools + place to work on the stuff.

15:31

I still change my oil in the apt parking lot, but wouldn't bother with much more than that

15:32

i haven't changed the oil on this pos since i bought it. but then again, i've only put on like 2800 miles.

15:32

i don't drive very much, and if i do, it's not very far.

15:33

i guess i did throw in a quart once. but that doesn't count. sob is probably dying to have the filter & oil changed.

15:33

haha

15:33

making oil candles in there

15:34

yeah, it's not good. its a 2000 oldsmobile.

15:34

rust all over.

15:34

i actually got a decent deal on it for $100, it would probably be $1000 if i bought it from a used car lot or something. bought it from a friend.

15:35

the car we saw in .ar with the clubs, that's probably a $3 car. lol

15:35

damn thing probably runs tho. *shrug*

15:35

I once sold a car for $125, was probably in way worse shape than yours

15:35

87 300zx with about 250k on it

15:35

hshaha

15:35

exhaust pipe rusted off

15:36

nice.

15:36

I still drove it at that point

15:36

bumper started melting lol

15:36

hahah, that's awesome.

15:36

slammed bad going 1st-2nd-3rd

15:37

interior was leather at one point

15:37

i just can't figure it out why someone would want to pay $300/mo for 6-7 years on a car loan for something "new" or "reasonable"

15:37

but then... dust

15:37

lol

15:37

mod6: it's a scam

15:37

I'll drive my current vw til it catches fire

15:37

haha, man old worn leather does not hold up good. i know what you mean.

15:37

tranny was bad too 'eh

15:38

yup

15:38

had a lot of fun in that car though, got it at 16

15:39

i once had an 1983 pontiac perrisan <sp> station wagon. it had 300`000 miles on it. got it for $750. it always made me laugh because when i shut it off, it would keep knocking for like ~20 seconds. then backfire super loud.

15:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00038517 = 10.284 BTC [+]

15:39

haha, settle down grandpa

15:39

*car goes to sleep*

15:39

yah srsly. it was a 9 passenger vehicle.

15:39

i looked idiotic driving it around, im sure.

15:40

but that was back in the day where cars were still made with full steel frames. thing weighed 4000 lbs.

15:40

*

mircea_popescu fondly remembers his two ton mercedeses

15:40

had a chev 305 in it. ran pretty nice.

15:40

in the good old days, *you* were the crumple-zone

15:41

haha, yes

15:42

asciilifeform> what other kinds of broken everyday objects do you folks put up with ? << my (**picks up keyboard**) bicycle's breaks are shot and the gear shifter is sketchy

15:43

t-shirts have holes in them, iphone won't charge unless i rubber band the cable into the right position, etc..

15:44

my old man had one of the 1983 mercedes 380SLs.. but yeah i don't think it weighed nearly as much as those bigger frame ones like yours (MP) or Pete D's.

15:44

tea kettle's pin that the valve pivots on is loose and falling out

15:45

well, and that thing was a convert too.. so, obv less weight there.

15:45

heh, it shipped with .de license plates

15:46

sweet, kernel is done

15:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3398 @ 0.00038509 = 1.3085 BTC [-]

15:48

this pos box, i can hear the disk spining. "GRRRR GRRRR GRR GGRRRRRRR"

15:48

smh

15:49

i paid more for this pos then the damn car.

15:54

ok here we go...

15:54

grub works.

15:55

ok all gravy.

15:58

$conference

15:59

!conference

16:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66020 @ 0.0003888 = 25.6686 BTC [+] {3}

16:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5580 @ 0.0004082 = 2.2778 BTC [+]

16:08

*

mod6 wonders off to create a guide

16:21

wonders?

16:22

and i wondered off the eulora server. event will take place after chetty fixes it.

16:31

derp *wanders

16:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5535 @ 0.00040567 = 2.2454 BTC [-]

16:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28564 @ 0.00041722 = 11.9175 BTC [+]

~ 21 minutes ~

17:05

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163496 <<< it's still way off its highs of $8-9 when it claimed it could now do whatever ethereum is planning to do

17:05

Logged on 13-06-2015 17:52:56; danielpbarron: found this while researching why XCP went up 30% over the last few days

17:10

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163461 <<< this orlov guy.. i've enjoyed reading some of his stuff but i can't figure out what sort of man buys a boat but does not have funds tucked away for upkeep/maintenance or new engine

17:10

Logged on 13-06-2015 17:28:03; asciilifeform: obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html

17:21

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163555 <<< how does this shit pass rego or do you not have yearly rego checks on the car?

17:21

Logged on 13-06-2015 19:35:58; trinque: exhaust pipe rusted off

17:25

*

trinque mumbles something about forgiveness vs permission

~ 17 minutes ~

17:42

lucky bastards. i was caught, was not fined but had to prop up my old daewoo by about 300 euro (using dubious parts) to keep it legal

17:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41053 @ 0.00041202 = 16.9147 BTC [-]

17:49

should have got a golf.

17:53

well, something something hindsight. it was relatively luxurious, got it from a friend who cared for it, and it did work fine for 2 years.

17:54

!up kalki

17:54

i paid more bitcoins than you euros for mine tho.

17:55

hi kalki, you can speak now

17:59

thanks... ok so in attempting to set up my first gpg account, I am following the guide from contravex... so I am using the 5 dice coupled with the englich passphrase word list. So, I did 10 tosses, got the words, but then after entering, the gpg client tells me it is a weak pw as it contains no special characters. I read somewhere on Trilema not to change ANYTHING from what I get from the dice toss... so just seeking some soun

17:59

thanks!

18:03

kalki, which gpg client?

18:03

also, I am noticing that when I log in to #bitcoin-assets, just before it transports me to the room, it says at the bottom of the screen that this nickname is already taken and that I should verify ownership or something... I assume this means that I need to find a new nickname and that it is not talking about me just because I have been using it a couple months here..

18:04

funkenstein, it is the latest mac client 2015.06

18:04

http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

18:04

first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SsCt )

18:07

i don't mac, but methinks you can add a couple special chars without losing entropy

18:10

funkenstein, the wiki says for WOT that I should generate a gpg if I dont already have one... so do folks typically use just one key? or is it smart to have a seperate one for WOT distinct from communication etc?

18:10

also thanks for your help!

18:11

no prob :) I have only one, it's easier that way. But if you want another distinct identity you can make as many as you want.

18:11

if you're a beginner, no use to complicates tuff by using multiple keys

18:11

jurov, funkenstein, ok and thanks again I shall proceed

18:12

n

18:15

kalki: don't worry too much about the 'advice' of the newest mac pgp client

18:16

it's designed to be 'user-friendly' for fiatheads who typically use the same password everywhere

18:16

not that you can't add a few symbols or make the second-last letter of every diceware word a capital if you so desire

18:18

ok well I just subbed 2 special characters and then generated... it happened really fast... I thought it was supposed to take quite a bit of time but it appears to have generated in less than 5 seconds...?

18:20

i haven't used the newest mac version, but it doesn't usually take that long

18:20

not to worry

18:22

also depends on the size of the key you're generating

18:22

and the machine you're using.

18:23

^ mentioning that, if you plan to use the key seriously, use 4096bit

18:25

just looking at 'gpg suits 2015.06' update and it actually adds some sensible improvements to the default settings

18:26

1) gpg version omitted, 2) revocation certification auto-generated, 3) auto-encrypt drafts, 4) warning message for idiots like travis patron that they're about to send an unencrypted reply to an encrypted message

18:28

5) removed 1024 bit key option

18:32

for ethereum posterity : http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-20369

18:32

A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQxmsc )

18:45

they tried their best pete_dushenski, is that not good enough for you?!

18:45

my favourite words from the ethereum transcript: "strategic visioning"

18:46

cazalla: lol i guess i'm one of those unreasonable assholes who doesn't understand how the world works

18:47

oh god https://twitter.com/Blockchain_Memo/status/607955408360218624

18:48

punkman: it's the kind of thing readily accomplished while sitting on the toilet

18:49

thus making it... accessible.

18:49

"strategic visioning" doesn't require that anything even be written down

18:50

it's more of a sense of things to come, a feeling of how valhalla might look

18:55

"when I was at Visa, I was leading an R&D group on Machine Learning that was experimenting with Hadoop for near real-time analytics of purchases. anyway we worked a year on that thing, and it was awesome, but one day we get invited by another group at Visa who want to show us something â€˜amazing'."

18:55

AMAZING COMPANY!

18:55

"turns out my team and theirs had been working on the same thing and we didnâ€™t even know about each other."

18:57

;;later tell bingoboingo that 'reddit outrage' piece is impossible to read dude. breaking start-up/startup into two words might give you two s.qntr shares but it makes shit unreadable and frankly a bit annoying. tighten it up, smarten it up, eh.

18:57

gribble

The operation succeeded.

19:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9sQZLtsfp8

19:07

AZIS - Hop / АЗИС - Хоп - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2RYYS )

19:07

the chan needs some faggotry

19:08

we've done azis before

19:09

damn, that is faggy

~ 30 minutes ~

19:39

ben_vulpes

<asciilifeform> how many three-legged tables, chairs ? << i for one would rather have three-legged furniture: 3 points define a plane; any more and you have an overconstrained and rocking system

19:46

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163644 << bahaha, travis patron. "Travis Patron is a singularity researcher and cybereconomist most well-known for his thought leadership into digital economies such as bitcoin... You can find him in Toronto, apathetic towards voting while hunting banksters for spare organs."

19:46

Logged on 13-06-2015 22:26:32; pete_dushenski: 1) gpg version omitted, 2) revocation certification auto-generated, 3) auto-encrypt drafts, 4) warning message for idiots like travis patron that they're about to send an unencrypted reply to an encrypted message

19:59

https://xotika.tv/#/channel-17/RoyalTiffany xD

19:59

XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1f9FZ63 )

20:02

all I get is the loading strobe

20:06

try chrome

20:07

only tested in chrome, everything else blows up atm

20:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00040464 = 9.4686 BTC [-] {2}

20:19

yeah, runs like shit in firefox for me

20:19

Naphex, what's this mean? #11 Invalid streamType and/or streamServer settings for .

20:23

cazalla: no flash, stream is rtmp. needs flash for a codec

20:23

fed through a javascript player

20:23

cause HLS has like a 8~20s delay

20:23

which is annoying to take down, and dash requres vlc

20:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00040182 = 5.8063 BTC [-] {2}

20:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00041202 = 3.461 BTC [+]

~ 25 minutes ~

21:02

*

asciilifeform just used a 25-year-old floppy disk, without problems. how many dye-based 'cd-r' will last for 25 yrs ?

21:16

meh i recall 'burning' a game at friends house to ~20 floppies, only to find ~5 not working when arrived home.

21:21

and also, i recently trashed about 5 floppy drives, prolly all in working condition.

21:22

why trashed

21:22

if i keep everything that comes through my hands i will suffocate

21:23

kakobrekla: gonna end up like me, i had to buy a brand-new one last week

21:23

(yes you can still get them)

21:23

maybe :\

21:23

because had precisely one in my stash remaining, and it (literally) smoked

21:23

but i dont have a cdrom in any computer either

21:24

perhaps i could do w/o usb as well

21:25

to be clear, this was not going in my proper computer

21:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19656 @ 0.00040159 = 7.8937 BTC [-] {3}

21:44

hello. kakobrekla, I wanted to speak to you about a trivia bot

21:45

theres hundreds of trivia bots out there

21:46

yes, I was thinking trivia contests - maybe for BTC - would be fun

21:47

dja got btc to burn ?

21:47

nope, was thinking it might bring some in

21:48

entrance fees to the quiz, winner gets 90% of the fees, something like that

21:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33601 @ 0.00039769 = 13.3628 BTC [-] {2}

21:48

would need to pay people to research fresh questions too

21:49

copypaste btw, say when you're around.

21:56

would be ideal if a bot could be modded to hold and award the prize money

22:00

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163620 << the idea was to not change the words, as in "these five came out but i'ma use these other five instead because htey're eaiser to remember"

22:00

Logged on 13-06-2015 21:59:34; kalki: thanks... ok so in attempting to set up my first gpg account, I am following the guide from contravex... so I am using the 5 dice coupled with the englich passphrase word list. So, I did 10 tosses, got the words, but then after entering, the gpg client tells me it is a weak pw as it contains no special characters. I read somewhere on Trilema not to change ANYTHING from what I get from the dice toss... so just

22:01

that aside, adding a curly bracket at the end or something doesn't hurt anything

22:02

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163637 << that's definitely junk

22:02

Logged on 13-06-2015 22:18:10; kalki: ok well I just subbed 2 special characters and then generated... it happened really fast... I thought it was supposed to take quite a bit of time but it appears to have generated in less than 5 seconds...?

22:03

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163646 << i kinda lolled.

22:03

Logged on 13-06-2015 22:32:08; pete_dushenski: for ethereum posterity : http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-20369

22:04

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163651 << this stupid shit makes it even better.

22:04

Logged on 13-06-2015 22:47:02; cazalla: oh god https://twitter.com/Blockchain_Memo/status/607955408360218624

22:07

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2015#1163684 << similar experiences. floppies fucking sucked.

22:07

Logged on 14-06-2015 01:16:01; kakobrekla: meh i recall 'burning' a game at friends house to ~20 floppies, only to find ~5 not working when arrived home.

22:07

might have a survivor-bias thing going here

22:07

but also very variant. i had one that was good for hundreds of rewrites over a year

22:07

i had a batch of 100 out of which 30 died the first write

22:07

asciilifeform quite possible.

22:08

*

mircea_popescu had a complete lotus 1-2-3 and novell netware ~suites~, hundreds of 1.2mb floppies in 50 item boxes, shelves of the shit

22:09

1.2?

22:10

i think it was 3.11

22:10

scoopbot_revived

Eulora update http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-update/

22:11

ah, yes, 1,2mb

22:11

how much were yours ? 720 ?

22:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00037652 = 6.382 BTC [-] {3}

22:14

mats

it falls

22:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15751 @ 0.00037426 = 5.895 BTC [-]

22:29

mircea_popescu: 1.44 like normal people

22:29

(and a few 720k)

22:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6949 @ 0.0003735 = 2.5955 BTC [-]

~ 32 minutes ~

23:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8820 @ 0.00038939 = 3.4344 BTC [+]

~ 18 minutes ~

23:20

asciilifeform 144were the later, 3 inch ones

23:20

these were flexible

~ 17 minutes ~

23:37

aha then yes

23:43

barely enough for a modern jpg

23:45

but probably enough for a life's work of decent programmer

23:45

(the material worth remembering at any rate)

23:46

especially if written in asm

23:46

aha

23:47

i should hope to produce 1.2MB of something worth keeping before i'm buried

23:47

this is a pretty decent standard to live by.

23:48

(for this 'litmus,' only things you personally keyed in are to be counted)

23:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00038939 = 2.1416 BTC [+]

23:50

http://cryptome.org/2015/06/ru-cn-snowden-1m-docs.htm << today from the lulzfarmz

23:51

... ( http://bit.ly/1KPmk7w )

23:52

SELECT sum( length( post_content ) ) WHERE post_status = "publish"

23:52

> 105366707

23:52

what nao ?

23:52

dingding winner

23:52

from link, 'RUSSIA and China have cracked the top-secret cache of files stolen by the fugitive US whistleblower Edward Snowden, forcing MI6 to pull agents out of live operations in hostile countries, according to senior officials in Downing Street, the Home Office and the security services.' supposedly.

23:53

heh

23:53

reads like a usg disinfo, though

23:55

only in that it;s a coupla years late.

23:55

copypaste

hi mircea_popescu

23:55