#trilema | 2015-06-02

Logged on 01-06-2015 21:05:33; mike_c: jurov: not to be an ass since you just took the job, but do you have an idea for ballpark on binaries? my ubuntu box has trouble running eulora due to gfx card issues.. just wondering if it's days, weeks, or months.

05:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39444 @ 0.0003251 = 12.8232 BTC [+]

05:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44250 @ 0.00031615 = 13.9896 BTC [-]

05:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12705 @ 0.0003251 = 4.1304 BTC [+]

05:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53095 @ 0.00032758 = 17.3929 BTC [+] {2}

05:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00031609 = 20.5142 BTC [-] {2}

05:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20790 @ 0.00032784 = 6.8158 BTC [+]

05:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00032244 = 10.6566 BTC [-] {2}

05:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10141 @ 0.00032997 = 3.3462 BTC [+]

06:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43289 @ 0.00033036 = 14.301 BTC [+]

06:06

davout

;;later tell GAit ty!

06:06

The operation succeeded.

06:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23811 @ 0.00031961 = 7.6102 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

06:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48629 @ 0.00033233 = 16.1609 BTC [+]

06:34

mircea_popescu, your outstanding shipping bill is $70 and i still have a box of NSA tees taking up space in my studio

06:34

given that the outstanding debt and the box of tees are 18 months old and 20 months old, respectively, i think it's time we settle up

06:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00033233 = 9.4049 BTC [+]

~ 16 minutes ~

06:52

[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5855 @ 0.00111 = 6.4991 BTC

07:01

lel @ BTR

07:01

they announced the ipo 30 minutes prior

07:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11412 @ 0.00032677 = 3.7291 BTC [-]

07:06

is that risto reptiles thing nubbins` ?

07:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69550 @ 0.00032677 = 22.7269 BTC [-]

07:06

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=BTR&action=getdetails

07:07

"bitcoins are property so we can barter for startup equite with them without being accredited investors"

07:07

the barter ocf mentions a "Pietila Group" so i guess it might be him

07:09

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54fcda9ce4b0edea648d9cea/t/556813c6e4b0f0a8f2e606e8/1432884171206/ lol

07:10

such spellcheck

07:15

not just spelling.. check out those custom made barter ocf t-shirts! http://i.imgur.com/byt16Te.png

07:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00032824 = 21.3028 BTC [+]

07:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28729 @ 0.00032824 = 9.43 BTC [+]

07:22

;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php is taking quite a long time to respond, longer than my timeout

07:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19935 @ 0.00033233 = 6.625 BTC [+]

07:23

The operation succeeded.

07:23

copypaste: trilema is ddos'd

07:23

Oh, okay then

07:23

https://8ch.net/proxy.php?csurl=http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php will display an error of "Ad failed to load, ad server probably down." if it takes longer than 7 seconds for a reply

07:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50665 @ 0.00033743 = 17.0959 BTC [+] {2}

07:24

I was just making him aware, because it is working sometimes.

07:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31771 @ 0.00032915 = 10.4574 BTC [-]

07:28

yes i can confirm trilema loads in ~ 7s here

07:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11929 @ 0.00032677 = 3.898 BTC [-]

07:30

dunno how that could be easily fixed. since mircea recoiled in horror from the "proxied php" setup, he can't easily split tittylick.php into other process with higher priority

07:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69750 @ 0.00033756 = 23.5448 BTC [+]

07:44

copypaste heh yeah, there's some kid figures himself hot stuff

07:44

buys a little ddos now and again when his allowance allows.

07:46

deedbot- http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/

07:47

Bad URL or network outage.

07:47

deedbot doesn't do html

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aha yeah. ima fix it in a sec

07:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00033128 = 8.8783 BTC [-] {2}

07:54

i spent hours roaming the landscape and searching for anything to pick up.. not very impressive first impression

07:56

you gotta explore jurov

07:56

as in /explore

07:57

it says i don't have skill for that

07:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00033756 = 6.6499 BTC [+]

07:57

ah, there's an item hidden around that gives the skill for that

07:57

lol

07:57

too well hidden huh ? :D

07:58

i keep finding only chicken scribbles and mysterious stones

07:58

and other kinds of stones

08:03

there's another one :D

08:07

where? underwater?

08:08

just checked the db to be sure, there are indeed another item out there...but I suppose I should go actually look

08:09

nah, overland

08:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00032677 = 8.0385 BTC [-]

08:16

another mysterious rock.. i give up, will exchange for whatever exploring skill

08:18

if that item is supposed to be ceramic, maybe i don't see it

08:18

crystalspace.maploader.parse.image:

08:18

Could not open image file 'ceramic_dds' on VFS!

08:23

jurov: Interested in reviewing the Eulora beta for qntra?

08:24

i'd prefer not to. i want it to succeed.

08:25

i'd be like "everyone keeps telling me to /explore but i could not find in 3 hours the item that enables it"

08:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00033787 = 14.3933 BTC [+] {2}

08:30

!up pete_dushenski

08:30

jurov reports are in : the item's there alright.

08:31

before you find it, you can still craft

08:31

but you'll have to buy shiot from merchant to get you started

08:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51550 @ 0.00032785 = 16.9007 BTC [-] {2}

08:39

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pete_dushenski is home again.

08:39

thanks be to all who !up'd me while away !

08:43

http://dpaste.com/0FW45QS << the involved ips, if anyone cares.

08:45

Involved in testing Eurola?

08:47

involved in ddosing mah server earlier

08:47

what copypaste reported.

08:47

Ah that makes more sense

08:47

Seemed like too many

08:48

moving on to step two of my day, breakfast! after which ima make more eulora accts, mike_c danielpbarron an who else wanted.

08:52

"Popescu you're the dumbest fuck on the planet and have no authority to call anyone else an idiot." << quite the saucy qntra commenter

08:52

NO AUTHORITAY!11

08:52

one can only imagine who said dumbfuck imagines qualified to call others idiots

08:53

o.O

08:53

well at least this one can spell.

08:55

http://qntra.net/2015/05/ross-ulbricht-sentenced-to-life-in-prison/#comment-25515 << lots of angry on the interwebs. who knew.

08:56

(other than any woman over 20)

08:56

women over 20 are calmer ?

08:56

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150845 << heh. 'el minimo...'

08:56

Logged on 02-06-2015 02:59:59; trinque: williamdunne: modicum of respect is not a big ask

08:56

no, just, if they try and date they're gonna meet 'em

08:58

fair enough

08:59

ask anyone. "impotent anger, #1 red flag".

08:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39299 @ 0.00033202 = 13.0481 BTC [+]

08:59

from #eulora: <chetty> nah just wait a minute or so, death hasnt really been implemented yet

08:59

hahahaha

08:59

jurov dja have any idea how sadpuppies anyone'd have been if i implemented death before marriage ?

08:59

not even irl god has that rotten a sense o humor.

09:00

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150578 << solid little tour !

09:00

Logged on 02-06-2015 01:01:40; williamdunne: I'm pretty fucking excited, Bucharest -> Prague -> Istanbul is gonna be fun

09:00

those aren't in order are they ?

09:00

really, this needs much more time to be able to grasp the game idea and write something positive

09:00

anyway, istanbul's great, prague's fulla sluts and therefore greater. bucharest... whatevs.

09:01

of those 3, prague definitely has the best womenz

09:02

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mircea_popescu prefers the turkish 35lb butt to the czech slender type

09:02

prague and istanbul both have fantastic food, bucharest is meh in this regard as well

09:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87550 @ 0.00033824 = 29.6129 BTC [+] {2}

09:03

romanian women would be right in between the bubblebutturks and the skinnyczechs

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more skeptical in their disposition too

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which can only lead to better conversation

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they can curse better than either

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THAT can lead to excellent conversation

09:05

deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3TCDRSQ.txt

09:06

i'd say romanian chicks are just sharper in general

09:06

accepted: 1

09:06

this may well be true

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mircea_popescu is happy with the quality of female.ro intellect

09:08

from all the ones i've come across, an admittedly smaller but still far from zero quantity, female.ro is right up there with the best of 'em

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for intellect.

09:08

course you probably stuck to the danube plain, where all the garbage ends up.

09:08

Update: full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 326594

09:09

cool.

09:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182200 @ 0.00034148 = 62.2177 BTC [+] {8}

09:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3251 @ 0.00033202 = 1.0794 BTC [-]

09:16

mircea_popescu: i'm talking mostly about the ones that've made their way to canada

09:16

aok

09:17

plus, when i was in romania, i was in sinaia, brasov, timisoara, and a few other places, not just danube :)

09:19

speaking of traveling, fuck me if i don't have four sets of friends who just got engaged in the last month or two

09:19

if another one of them has a wedding at the same time as $conference....

09:19

c4, that is.

09:19

pete_dushenski: Well, warn them nao

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and spoil the look on their face when i tell them that something in the world might be more important than their wedding ?

09:22

"One way to un-cast the Islamic State’s spell over its adherents would be to overpower it militarily and occupy the parts of Syria and Iraq now under caliphate rule. Al‑Qaeda is ineradicable because it can survive, cockroach-like, by going underground. The Islamic State cannot. If it loses its grip on its territory in Syria and Iraq, it will cease to be a caliphate. Caliphates cannot exist as underground mov

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ements, because territorial authority is a requirement: take away its command of territory, and all those oaths of allegiance are no longer binding. Former pledges could of course continue to attack the West and behead their enemies, as freelancers. But the propaganda value of the caliphate would disappear, and with it the supposed religious duty to immigrate and serve it.

09:22

^seriously, where do people get these swiss cheese heads ?

09:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29352 @ 0.00032677 = 9.5914 BTC [-]

09:23

isis is no more capable of being destroyed by the usa's excuse for a military than al-queda was

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fuck, al-queda should've been a walk in the park by comparison.

09:23

pete_dushenski roflmao. "one way to stop sucking would be to rule instead"

09:23

they're more like taleban

09:24

you don't fucking say...

09:24

anyway, for the record, the only cockroaches in the middle west are the americans atm.

09:24

middle east ?

09:24

their underground being made up out of random social media

09:24

not that midwest isn't also full of 'em

09:25

well yeah.

09:25

anyway, who the fuck came up with the territorial nonsense quoited above anyway ?

09:26

http://gcaw.net/ << graeme wood in an article for 'the atlantic'

09:27

you'd think people actuaslly involved in strategic planning have enough of a tin ear to hear the sort of "o noes, things aren't like we have emotionally invested ourselves into them being, let us rehash how trhings shjould be so we don't have to change or even examine our priors" whine.

09:27

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

09:28

territory's not worth squat. bitcoin, tmsr~ does actually better than any known state PRECISELY because all its territory is virtual.

09:28

territory was important when the economy was based on working the land.

09:28

then the industrial revolution came, and england was the size of a cumsplotch, and it didn't matter.

09:28

today...

09:28

heh, why do i even bother.

09:28

keep going !

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lol

09:28

more like slowassbot

09:28

find me a state in the history of the world that can run the sort of deficits we run.

09:28

my timely quip is no longer timely

09:28

can't eat a digital biscuit

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slownubs ?

09:28

nubbins`: heh.

09:28

decimation you know this is what people said too ? "can't eat an iron sword"

09:29

yeah dude, you can. and it's your choice to either feed me or eat it. how about that.

09:29

mp hungry.

09:29

i can't eat a digital biscuit, meanwhile you go make someone shove pens in his butt, without the digital biscuit.

09:29

so i just got this in an email from my isp

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http://i.imgur.com/3C9GNZW.png

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nubbins` golf claps

09:31

the surplus of bitcoin failed to help dpr

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graphs are non-accurate tho

09:31

100 mb, not so bad.

09:31

decimation and the pretorian guard failed to help nero.

09:31

decimation: it's necessary but not sufficient

09:31

mild panic this past winter when i realized the obstruction my metal snow shovel wouldn't pound through was... fibre into the house

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but it was ok!

09:31

dpr lacked surplus of intelligence in other regards

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they're reinforced to hell precisely because of people like you.

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well, you're welcome

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lol

09:31

srsly, for about 10 years it was like "omfg world please stop cutting cables"

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guy asked me if i wanted fibre to the pole or the door

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world went "sorrieh!!1s"

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eventually it was "fuck this shit, we make them as tough as pipes"

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"is it any extra fee to bring it to the door?" "nope" "what kinda beer do you drink?"

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suddenly... 99% drop in accidental cuttings

09:32

nubbins`: what modem do you have ?

09:32

pete it's an "actiontech" or smth

09:32

the modem not the hot tub

09:33

actiontec

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i'm in the market for a new modem. don't want to swallow whatever cisco garbage shaw cable provides

09:33

pete_dushenski pogo.

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pete_dushenski hadn't considered this...

09:35

actually sorry

09:35

here's where the fibre ends

09:35

http://www.muamat.com/adpics/53627a873210bc5d72fa8a32a.jpg

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it's an i-240g-b

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hm, apparently this actiontec router might be worth tossing

09:36

a neato

09:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17939 @ 0.00032139 = 5.7654 BTC [-]

09:39

http://www.hitrontech.com/en/cable_detail.php?id=62 << this appears to be local cable co's new offering

09:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7311 @ 0.00032061 = 2.344 BTC [-]

09:41

Elonis Wins At US Supreme Court http://qntra.net/2015/06/elonis-wins-at-us-supreme-court/

09:41

Scoopbot is behaving well

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For now

09:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22948 @ 0.00032308 = 7.414 BTC [+] {3}

09:42

williamdunne yeah not bad

09:43

Yeah, think he last went down maybe two weeks ago?

09:43

Guessing the new reconnecting stuff actually works

09:43

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BingoBoingo still has the expectation that scooping bots go rogue

09:43

Like Deeding bots go missing

09:43

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williamdunne is actually just sitting at home refreshing people's RSS feeds pretending to be a bot

09:43

And assbot makes the world go round

09:44

* williamdunne is actually just sitting at home refreshing people's RSS feeds pretending to be a bot << Oh, that's how oglafbot works

09:44

Aha really? Thats kinda funny

09:45

Although I guess you just have to check every Sunday so not too bad

09:46

http://oglaf.com/feeds/rss/

09:47

If you want I could just add oglaf to scoopbot..

09:47

yes.

09:47

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGA8HcHWMAASfqV.jpg

09:48

mike_c http://dpaste.com/3VSXH7F

09:49

danielpbarron http://dpaste.com/0Y1XJ8D

09:51

BitBet (S.BBET) May 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-may-2015-statement/

09:53

mod6 http://dpaste.com/1YMM4N3

09:57

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149668 << lol frenchie's a hardass and i suspect he's growing a moustache!

09:57

Logged on 01-06-2015 14:47:09; davout: bye!

09:57

here's one for asciilifeform

09:57

http://i.imgur.com/eIuHT8a.jpg

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149703 << whjat the fuck sort of failed cult is this then

09:59

Logged on 01-06-2015 15:06:01; shinohai: This is about the only place that isn't an echo chamber anymore sadly.

09:59

i didn't sign up for this!

09:59

nubbins` poultry dildo ?

09:59

bluetooth dongle w/ fake antenna

10:00

mircea_popescu: Its okay, the cult has been restored with a t-shirt with your face on it

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I'm impressed so far with Romanian hospitality

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the disadvantage of being romanian

10:01

23:48:16 - menahem: what do you guys think of this tee ?

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23:48:18 - menahem: http://screencast.com/t/LxNozQwn7t3

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23:49:17 - williamdunne: Well, its official, we're a cult.

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23:49:19 - menahem: hahaha

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23:51:05 - menahem: debating if i should add a quote to it

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23:51:45 - williamdunne: "I'm better than you" should suffice

10:02

23:52:53 - menahem: "this Bitcock ain't gonna suck itself."

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anywhere you go, you're unimpressed with the local assholery.

10:02

23:53:41 - WolfGoethe [~textual@cpe-74-66-238-187.nyc.res.rr.com] entered the room.

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23:53:47 - williamdunne: +1

10:02

23:53:51 - williamdunne: Fuck it, I'd buy it

10:02

Aha

10:02

ahahaha wut.

10:02

It really is incredible how helpful the lady has been, I'm used to the standard snobbery from others in her position

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Yeah

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It actually doesn't look half-bad on the t-shirt

10:02

if georgie ouzounian runs into you somewhere in dusty utah and you're wearing that shirt and it reads "I'm better than you" he's probably going to accost you.

10:03

I'm not awful at running, I'll take my chances

10:04

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150951

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Logged on 02-06-2015 10:34:11; nubbins`: mircea_popescu, your outstanding shipping bill is $70 and i still have a box of NSA tees taking up space in my studio

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!

10:04

i know!

10:04

are you sueing me yet ?

10:04

no, but:

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150952

10:04

Logged on 02-06-2015 10:34:32; nubbins`: given that the outstanding debt and the box of tees are 18 months old and 20 months old, respectively, i think it's time we settle up

10:04

aha aite.

10:04

addy ?

10:05

1CzZMzXzA9jtRDNEcG1jzfL5MfxRyVjUxD

10:05

this has been the most distant christmas in hystory, but! apparently it's coming.

10:05

woo

10:05

nubbins` ima send you 0.(3) bitcoin

10:05

i'll shake the spiders out of the remaining inventory at no extra charge

10:05

tyvm o.O

10:06

HEH

10:06

what sort of industrial warehouse do you run in your own house over there!!

10:06

spiders ?!

10:06

sec, i have pix

10:06

found a crazy one today

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http://i.imgur.com/ak5LjiC.jpg

10:08

that's not so bad

10:08

http://i.imgur.com/jXuwMo7.jpg

10:09

looked less intimidating outdoors

10:09

wolf spiders, they chase!

10:10

in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_may9nl7Nmj1qzeiaco1_1280.jpg

10:12

tijuana abortions ever more gruesome

10:13

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150070 << word.

10:13

Logged on 01-06-2015 20:16:56; trinque: little guy seems to be doing alright

10:14

found it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegenaria_domestica

10:15

ayup

10:20

in other news, we're prolly gonna break last year's gross income by late july

10:24

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151226 << looks like a dude 'enjoying' a homemade dulap !?

10:24

Logged on 02-06-2015 14:10:57; mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_may9nl7Nmj1qzeiaco1_1280.jpg

10:25

asciilifeform or that.

10:26

mircea_popescu: update since last night: got reply from mf. they will re-do the duds.

10:26

;;isup qntra.net

10:26

qntra.net is down

10:26

qntra crashed

10:28

asciilifeform cool

10:30

thestringpuller yaya, moar wiff teh script kiddies.

10:31

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151037 << obligatory >> http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/PeaceNikki72/uAgkm.jpg << originally a u.s. politico spoof, but has been 'memed' for many years with various photodiddles

10:31

Logged on 02-06-2015 12:59:03; mircea_popescu: ask anyone. "impotent anger, #1 red flag".

10:32

in other lulz, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DB096A7B64B9F4A9CE82785D9AF80E50E2AAE4BCC607BF6BFDACDD92BF65873C << we already had it in 'magic 98' yes

10:33

mircea_popescu: i've been told to use hate as a measurement of success.

10:33

thestringpuller: 'oderint dum metuant' (TM) (R)

10:35

gr8 h8 m8

10:37

;;isup trilema.com

10:37

trilema.com is down

10:39

its ok tho, Eulora is up

10:41

;;isup contravex.com

10:41

contravex.com is up

10:41

guess i've been ruffling the wrong feathers of late ?

10:41

brb testing vpn

10:42

some miscellaneous lulz: http://larvatus.livejournal.com/558422.html

10:43

and an unusually entertaining orlol: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/crazyland.html

10:48

"So, for instance, if it turned out that Obama were indeed a space lizard (how embarrassing!) the administrator would simlply click on “conspiracy theories,” click on the checkbox next to “Obama is a space lizard,” and click “uninstall.”"

10:48

ok, i lol'd

10:51

"I would respond that if he has a SIM card in his phone, then the phone emits roaming signals which allow its position to be determined with surprisingly good accuracy by using multilateralization—measuring its relative signal strength at several of the surrounding cell phone towers." << doesn't this require 'stingray' ?

10:51

or is that just for improved accuracy ?

10:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.000328 = 9.5284 BTC [+]

10:55

lmao this noob.

10:56

;;ud impotent rage

10:56

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=impotent+rage | impotent rage. When a man can't get it up, everything bothers him. He whines, throws tantrums and if someone mentions the word "laid" the rage takes over.

10:57

mike_c

mircea_popescu: got the acct info, thanks

11:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25348 @ 0.000328 = 8.3141 BTC [+]

11:03

mike_c

cazalla: I'm going to try dual-booting another box of mine and see if i can get eulora/ubuntu going. I'll post my step-by-step if it works

11:05

thanks.

11:07

i tried to get it up and going lastnight on the throw-away ubuntu lappy has an intel graphics card. i had the previous release running on there, but have since wiped it. everything compiled fine lastnight. 'cept when starting `euclient`, it complained about no 3d graphics or something similar.

11:07

gonna mess with it later tonight. i don't remember what I did before to resolve this, been too long.

11:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127271 @ 0.00033676 = 42.8598 BTC [+] {3}

11:12

mod6 what version ubuntu?

11:15

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150083 << that entire thing has absolutel;y nothing to do with "investors"

11:15

Logged on 01-06-2015 20:22:07; Landgull: They need to stop talking about what they need and start talking about what they will do for their investors.

11:15

it just calls people that if that's what they want to be called.

11:16

if you're so inclined, you can find a woman on the street willing to call your bar bills "investments", and then make you some kids to invest into further.

11:16

that's the nature of this "investment". "we can use your money"

11:20

Bethesda is announcing Fallout 4 tomorrow, hot on the heels of the Eulora beta announcement.

11:23

lol

11:23

3 was such a disappointment

11:24

I enjoyed it, but also missed out on 1&2

11:24

ah

11:25

I enjoyed that Fallout 3.5 game in Vegas more than 3 though

11:26

<+chetty> mod6 what version ubuntu? << 14.10? not sure off the top of my head. i'll work on it tonight. will let you know.

11:27

im sure it's fine.

11:31

pete_dushenski doesn't what require stingray

11:31

triangulating your position based on cell towers?

11:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00034434 = 16.976 BTC [+]

11:37

MPOE's been holding up for a while nao

11:39

menahem

williamdunne thanks for sharing the shirt, lol. :) ill have it available for purchase soon, tweaking the shipping options.

11:41

Aha, very welcome

11:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88100 @ 0.0003451 = 30.4033 BTC [+] {3}

11:46

nubbins`: determining the position of a sim card.

11:47

if all you need are cell phone towers to determine location, why the fuck does stingray matter ?

11:48

ftr i don't know that 'stingray' is all that useful, may be 'teaching the controversy'

11:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35851 @ 0.00031709 = 11.368 BTC [-] {2}

12:03

it's useful if the telco tells you to fuck off

12:04

look, your phone's connected to x towers right now, each with a diff signal strength. basic math gives a rough location

12:04

stingray would ostensibly be a single-point unit, less useful for triangulation, more of a "warmer/colder" style

12:05

makes sense.

12:06

telco telling cops to fuck off though ? maybe 10 years ago.

12:06

not that there wouldn't be some red tape and paperwork, i suppose.

12:06

go back and re-watch The Wire and see the hassle they went through tapping cell phones, and then imagine giving them a suitcase that blasts out the strongest cell signal in the projects so every phone preferentially tries to connect to it

12:07

it's a boon for cops

12:07

the wire was also 10 years ago

12:07

based on intel older than that

12:07

sure, and a lot of the problems surrounding that part of the puzzle are different now

12:08

but in all cases, going through official routes to get info from telco vs just turning on a piece of kit?

12:08

especially if your department head doesn't give a fuck when/where you use your stingray

12:08

(the inevitable outcome, duh)

12:09

i can see it.

12:09

https://i.imgur.com/m5zWPPx.jpg

12:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00031568 = 10.5121 BTC [-]

12:10

<BingoBoingo> I enjoyed it, but also missed out on 1&2 << Same boat here. I never played 1 & 2, but thoroughly enjoyed 3 & 3.5. My buddy, who had played the originals, also felt disappointed. It's all relative (tm), I guess.

12:10

needless to say, stingray or tower triangulation are more expensive to implement than gps tracking in smartphones

12:11

so if security is a matter of making attacks expensive, a dumbphone still trumps a smartphone

12:17

mircea_popescu: did the derp from fortune who didn't link to qntra ever come clean ?

12:17

this vpn doles out a paltry 17mbit/s

12:18

who are you using ?

12:18

pete_dushenski mno.

12:18

giving pia a shot

12:18

mircea_popescu: sorta figured as much

12:18

nubbins`: ya, pia is pretty damn slow

12:20

i've been doing some reading on this jaron lanier fellow, looking for an angle to roast him on for a blog post but i have to admit i'm at a loss

12:21

smokes weed

12:21

obv

12:21

the dude is so all over the map, markov chaining so hard, that i have nothing to grab onto without pulling the entire universe along with me

12:21

ya, the dreads are a bit rasta eh

12:22

ah well, fuck it. if anyone falls for his rambling nonsense, they deserve it.

12:25

"He proposes a two-way linking system that would point to the source of any piece of information, creating an economy of micropayments that compensates people for original material they post to the web."

12:25

imagine those youtube pop-up text ads, but "like the sound in this scene? send satoshis to 1Rambo5SoundGuyxxx"

12:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94450 @ 0.00031806 = 30.0408 BTC [+] {2}

12:27

pretty much his proposal, except extended even further so that people sharing their biometrics or whatever with their insurance companies or employers would be paid extra

12:27

it's welfare with the DIGNITY of having earned it.

12:27

just for existing, obv.

12:28

but because it was willingly shared, it magically has value.

12:29

if it didn't have value, people wouldn't collect it, mmm?

12:30

precisely like seashells on the beach

12:30

value being a very subjective thing when there's no scarcity or fungibility

12:30

it's not like your fatass heartrate is a monet

12:30

sure

12:30

value changes over time, too

12:31

maybe the lighting in Heat was too blue for audiences in the late 2010s

12:31

but was rad as hell in the mid 2030s

12:31

well that's just fashion, which is inherently worthless.

12:32

'audiences' being 'the people' and therefore incapable of imparting value on anything whatsoever

12:32

maybe the insurance company has a very large need of biometric data when figuring out rates for a new policy program

12:32

but not so much of a need for em later.

12:33

put another way

12:33

curl: (23) Failed writing body

12:33

that's a new one.

12:33

what's the value of a sheet of toilet paper while you're taking a shit, vs while you're taking a shower?

12:33

would you pay $5 for it while you're shampooing your hair?

12:33

how 'bout when you just shit yourself in the parking lot outside the funeral home?

12:34

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/yoko-ono-i-had-an-affair-with-hillary-clinton-in-the-70s/ hehehee

12:35

!b 2

12:35

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0TJ07ME.txt )

12:35

markov bash!

12:36

heh

12:37

nubbins`: if said insurance company needs data now, why wouldn't it need more data later with which to compare the original info ?

12:37

http://www.magicaltux.net/post/120528127244/didnt-we-learn-anything << lookee who else ain't dead. fatso !

12:38

oh, it just might

12:38

if pumpkin futures for october are through the roof, why wouldn't they be even higher just after xmas?

12:38

but if, say, biometric data is a pre-condition for coverage, that doesn't mean that the insurance company should be paying you to use it

12:39

"One entity would be specialized in handling of coins. It would focus mostly on security, and could also offer processing for other things than exchanges (I’m thinking about Lightning, for example). Existing wallet services are probably in a good position to start working on this kind of solutions." << what a fucking retard. no spellcheck, no braincheck...

12:40

"let's decentralise the parts of a human body so that it can be more efficient"

12:40

"you take the legs, i'll take the chest, he'll take the ears !"

12:41

cripes you'd think that 600k coins or whatever he embezzled would buy him a tutor.

12:41

and a non-tumblr website.

12:42

and a photographer with a proper camera for a portrait shot

12:43

!gettrust NewLiberty

12:43

Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user NewLiberty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=NewLiberty | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/NewLiberty/

12:43

NewLiberty: you can self-voice dude

12:43

!up NewLiberty

12:46

I used to be able to anyhow

12:46

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20760911 = 1.038 BTC [+]

12:46

pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: you can self-voice dude << it says 0 via 2 there

12:46

jurov: I don't know if I can trust a website called "worldnewsdailyreport" :-P

12:47

has to be >0 to self voice

12:47

magicaltux blogging again... just shameless isn't he.

12:48

NewLiberty: ah, i thought it was just assbot's l2 for some reason

12:48

Fluffypony, have you digested the borromean ring stuff yet?

12:49

I'm still chewing on it

12:49

NewLiberty: no, too buggered and travelling at the moment, so will look at it on Friday once I've landed back in SA and spent a day recovering :)

12:51

Yes, it is one that takes work. More so for me certainly.

12:51

is that a monero thing?

12:52

punkman: Am I the only one thinking he might not be *entirely* to blame? (Entirely as if in he was incompetent, but someone else committed the bad deed.

12:52

)

12:52

williamdunne: possibly

12:52

Gmaxwell paper on a privacy method

12:52

link?

12:53

it's not a privacy method, NewLiberty

12:53

adding it to Bitcoin won't add privacy

12:53

it's part of a wider crypto ecosystem that remains under wraps at the moment

12:53

https://github.com/Blockstream/borromean_paper/raw/master/borromean_draft_0.01_34241bb.pdf

12:54

but the advantage for Monero is that we may be able to adopt the scheme to reduce our signature size and verification effort

12:54

Right, that is an important distinction.

12:54

It does more for monero than for bitcoin

12:54

I'm terribly interested in what gmaxwell is up to, but he's already said that whatever guesses we have about this wider system we'd be wrong :)

12:55

Holy cow, SSDs have got cheaper since I last checked..

12:55

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-2-5-Inch-Warranty-SDSSDXPS-960G-G25/dp/B00KHRYR0U

12:56

960gb for $440, not bad

12:56

Oh wow, even better

12:56

http://betanews.com/2015/06/01/sandisk-announces-2tb-ssd-in-its-new-extreme-900-lineup/

12:57

pete_dushenski the problem with not shooting retards is that they accumulate.

12:57

Three year warranty on the 2tb one though kinda sucks

12:57

The zero knowledge oracle pieces, Fiat-Shamir, being put to a good use would be a nice add.

12:58

mircea_popescu: that's a strong argument for axetime

12:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00031568 = 3.3778 BTC [-]

12:59

NewLiberty: good how ? nice how ?

12:59

williamdunne being stupid and acting like you're important and should be relied on is something one gets blamed for entirely.

12:59

blame attaches according to sin, not according to the size of the fireball.

13:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50500 @ 0.00031473 = 15.8939 BTC [-] {2}

13:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00031745 = 14.9836 BTC [+]

13:03

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150090 << there's certainly too much of this psychiatric sort of behaviour around. "what are you doing for a living ?" "i make people feel better about themselves"

13:03

Logged on 01-06-2015 20:24:23; ben_vulpes: make everyone feel really cool for investing

13:04

this is also teachers, nurses, doctors, lawyers, you name it.

13:04

everyone be in the "helping people" business

13:04

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150119 << and now you see how b-a gets a bad name

13:04

Logged on 01-06-2015 20:28:02; williamdunne: Thought they were derpy so wanted to discuss it on a public forum

13:04

"helping" with feelings, of course

13:04

Borromean Nonsense I say

13:04

"THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE WHO EXPECT US TO MAKE SENSE AND DONT CARE ABOUT HOW THIS MAKES US FEEL!!1"

13:05

the evil cult of taptweutmsadcahtmuf

13:05

cruel and unusual, this.

13:07

pete_dushenski there's a great seinfeld episode in which that weasel costanza goes to a job interview, decides to show up to work as if he had passed it, the somewhat confused receptionist gives him a choice of offices, he takes the smaller one.

13:07

taptweutmsadcahtmuf << I dunno this word, but "sad" seems important. Our cult gives outsiders the sads

13:07

then his boss comes back, discovers he's not done any work, and george goes "consider i am in the smaller office!"

13:07

by know there's an entire generation of this office scum : their job is to "x and be nice". they do exactly as much work as any guppi

13:08

but... CONSIDER I WAS NICE!11

13:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00031745 = 12.444 BTC [+]

13:09

mircea_popescu: and guppi's expect to be treated "nice" in return

13:09

resulting in a very congenial, even convivial environs with which to get exactly nothing done

13:10

pete_dushenski: the ultimate gmaxwell use remains a mystery, but the method described is also useful for other purposes which may be more immediately nice. (less computer resource needed for some monero functions)

13:10

thus, the bureaucracy is the ideal home

13:10

mircea_popescu: Context?

13:10

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/great-someone-managed-to-sign-facebooks-pgp-key-with-an-ascii-goatse

13:11

NewLiberty: o_O gmaxwell de facto working on monero nao ?

13:12

williamdunne hm ?

13:12

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150147 << da fuck do they do in the rangers, parkour ?

13:12

Logged on 01-06-2015 20:46:23; mats: the navy doesn't see nearly the same level of folks going to medical discharge boards

13:13

Yes. The paper has some potentially helpful implications there.

13:13

BingoBoingo lul

13:21

mircea_popescu: Context of "williamdunne being stupid and acting like you're important and should be relied on is something one gets blamed for entirely."

13:22

magicaltux, and you're comment as ot whether "he's to blame entirely"

13:22

yes, he is. nobody asked fatso to pretend like he's a banker nao.

13:23

you're lmao

13:23

Oh right, I meant that he might not be entirely responsible for the loss.

13:24

that is a certainty. most of the loss is purely imaginary anyway

13:25

like the TRILLIONS of dollars a derpy website "on the deep web o.O" that couldn't sell a kilo of coke is nevertheless associated with in usg paperwork.

13:26

indian candy prolly has more candy laying around her place than sr ever moved.

13:28

Lol

13:28

TBH every time more details come out about the whole MtGox shit-heap, it sounds more and more like there was a significant USG element to the almighty fuck up

13:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47665 @ 0.00030951 = 14.7528 BTC [-] {2}

13:32

http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-wang-says-ivy-league-discriminates-against-asians-2015-5

13:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.00031671 = 11.164 BTC [+]

13:35

"Wang still feels as if he was unfairly rejected from the Ivies. "I think I deserve better than what I got," he said.""

13:35

This just in : azns are just as meta-fabulous as white kids

13:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108150 @ 0.00030853 = 33.3675 BTC [-] {2}

13:37

if the article's picture tells us anything, it's that the kid probably didn't woo the socks off the interview panel, if there even was one.

13:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00031671 = 8.0761 BTC [+]

13:41

#thestruggle

13:49

mircea_popescu: mostly they starve you for days while you go on missions

13:50

hm.

13:50

mircea_popescu: and then towards the end you have to pass a timed, weighted march after doing a 5mi run and some other events

13:51

usually its the former that breaks people.

13:51

<+mircea_popescu> like the TRILLIONS of dollars a derpy website "on the deep web o.O" that couldn't sell a kilo of coke is nevertheless associated with in usg paperwork. <<< wasn't supposed to sell kilos of coke 8)

13:52

6dollarshirts.com would probably have a very hard time selling cotton by the bale, as an analogy

13:52

oops, 2mi run

13:53

nubbins` it got prosecuted for selling cotton by the bale, ftr.

13:53

sure did.

13:53

i have no objection to whatever model being used, but it'd better be used consistently!

13:53

flew too close to the sun on wings made of wax.

13:53

in the terms it's being discussed (cotton baller), it sucked.

13:54

ftr : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/cotton-store-cairo.jpg

13:55

sure, but in terms of being a bald eagle, you suck.

13:55

No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2015-statement/

13:55

*

pete_dushenski thought of george sr's 'cornballer' from arrested development

13:55

doesn't mean you're not a top bloke otherwise, regardless of the foolishness of your building an eyre or whatevertf

13:56

aerie

13:56

w/e

13:56

im working on the bald eagle thing.

13:56

i figured you'd get something in motion when alf mentioned this a while back.

13:56

"As in the great days of the Studio System, NSA's star male lead spent a lot of time loaned out to other studios this Spring. The critically panned "RSA In The Soup!" trilogy was just packaged recently, while filming for the Thermonuked Chicken Saga continues." << haha priceless

13:57

'stan the star' (tm)

13:57

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-05-2015#1123038

13:57

Logged on 06-05-2015 20:13:20; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122989 << l0l - how about as an elephant? eagle ?

13:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00031671 = 5.1782 BTC [+]

13:57

scam.

13:59

cascading logsheets check that out.

13:59

CLS

14:00

also an acronym for content management systems that don't manage things very well

14:00

o look, new eulora src

14:01

oya

14:02

http://i.imgur.com/VgG931z.gifv

14:03

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9byzW1Rd1rkb8clo1_1280.jpg aka smallcock.jpg

14:04

omg.

14:04

fluffypony :0

14:04

ikr

14:04

that poor old lady

14:04

HAHA HAPPY BIRTHDAY WE'RE GOING TO COVER YOU IN POLYURETHANE FOAM AND LIGHT YOU UP

14:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00031671 = 1.6944 BTC [+]

14:04

i think it was the tracksuit guy who doused her w/ flame

14:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35852 @ 0.00032439 = 11.63 BTC [+] {4}

14:05

*

pete_dushenski wonders if stan is more of a Vyuacheslav Savitskiy (cossack general turned silver screen star) or Aleksandr Voloshin (white army officer turned silver screen star)

14:06

mp is definitely goldwyn/mayer

14:06

http://www.russianamericanbusiness.org/web_CURRENT/articles/8/1/Hollywood&%2339%3Bs-Russian-Roots

14:07

nubbins` he does stand around suspiciously unconcerned

14:07

pete_dushenski you mean lb mayer ?

14:07

lazar yakovlevich mayer

14:07

golwyn's partner

14:07

iirc it was just lazar meir

14:08

goldwyn*

14:10

https://regex.alf.nu

14:11

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150338 << i read "where are you basted" and i thought... she'd better say "midway"

14:11

Logged on 01-06-2015 23:46:20; williamdunne: Where are you based?

14:11

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9yzoyNrxr1rg1prvo1_1280.jpg << visual for the basting.

14:13

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150376 << o.O

14:13

Logged on 02-06-2015 00:14:20; WolfGoethe: portland was nice. met a super model lookin type girl there... she told me she hasn;t had a date in 6 months.. i was like why??? she said because the guys in portland are to scared to even say hi to her... lol

14:13

Noice

14:14

so THIS is why ben_vulpes & trinque don't invite us over huh.

14:14

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9byzW1Rd1rkb8clo1_1280.jpg aka smallcock.jpg << seems like a poor choice to be naked in front of the camera

14:15

fluffypony: Darwinism in action?

14:15

mircea_popescu: heh, and the german girls are too scared to visit!

14:15

im still having the occasional chuckle over that episode.

14:15

williamdunne honestly if i iwas doing fetish photography, i'd only use below average dudes.

14:16

How come?

14:17

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150424 << you know, that picture doesn't take itself...

14:17

Logged on 02-06-2015 00:25:08; WolfGoethe: instagram has women like this... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11230425_818749641507034_1768860839_n.jpg

14:18

williamdunne better trademark than you know, trying to put a watermark on the pics.

14:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78883 @ 0.00030763 = 24.2668 BTC [-] {3}

14:19

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150433 << so eat better.

14:19

Logged on 02-06-2015 00:27:11; trinque: never do I look at my food or ass and say "goddamn someone needs to see this shit"

14:19

Lol, small dick studios

14:20

babydick bus

14:21

er well i guess babydick bros now

14:21

8D Media

14:21

toes before hoes.

14:21

haha

14:21

and i'd only hire black dudes too

14:21

and then apply to the uk's service of investing in derpy airports in fucking plymouth

14:22

to give me $$$ because i hired the most unfortunate people alive

14:22

black men with small dicks.

14:22

Lol

14:22

South West of the UK is poor as shit

14:22

Nothing happens here

14:22

Hence why we have 1 billionaire out of (104?) in the UK

14:22

shut up, that's got staines in da hood there. represent

14:22

respek

14:23

restecp

14:24

West Staines Massif 4evar

14:24

east side is the best

14:25

;;lasers williamdunne

14:25

Imma rewatch that actually

14:25

┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

14:25

fuckin lold

14:26

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150496 win\

14:26

Logged on 02-06-2015 00:41:59; Adlai: !b 2

14:26

;;laserkittens

14:26

ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*

14:26

o hey wawrinka beat federer in straight sets.

14:28

he's old

14:29

that's what i thought too. like 3 years ago. guy's still at it and still winning

14:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81633 @ 0.0003071 = 25.0695 BTC [-]

14:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20717 @ 0.0003058 = 6.3353 BTC [-]

14:30

!rate indiancandy1 1 williamdunne's hand puppet.

14:30

Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6fb65a65f3ecc1ef

14:30

In other news, CIPC (the South Africa company registration/copyright people) use the TIF image format exclusively

14:31

!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.indiancandy1.1:b1b19f36f745b76e2d677cacd319cd1b9f52078b7606335173e617bf9e64bbca

14:31

Successfully added a rating of 1 for indiancandy1 with note: williamdunne's hand puppet.

14:31

First time I've ever used that format

14:31

Nice rating

14:31

Although she doesn't have the key to access it D:

14:32

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150641 << mno lol

14:32

Logged on 02-06-2015 01:20:57; williamdunne: Can kakro overrule this when he is online I wonder?

14:32

Oh shet

14:32

williamdunne teaches you to ask the girl if she's on contraception BEFORE sticking it in.

14:32

mYeah, guessing the only option is a new nick, or to work out her password

14:32

ah well

14:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00030379 = 19.8071 BTC [-] {3}

14:33

indeed. you can't administratively undo people's keys, thinkaboutit.

14:33

Well technically kak could

14:34

Guessing he has access to the DB, but yeah I kinda see why he shouldn't

14:34

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150704 << we have our standards lol

14:34

Logged on 02-06-2015 01:49:50; WolfGoethe: only the geekiest of the crypto geeks would go thru all that just to post big booty pics

14:37

dude check out all the logdramaz.

14:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00031655 = 21.5571 BTC [+] {2}

14:38

Did you see the response Sandhill gave me when I asked if they were gonna leave the US?

14:38

myeah.

14:39

"we like the kindergarten and think we belong here."

14:39

prolly right.

14:41

Yep, nationalism seems strange as hell to me

14:41

If country is holding me back, I'm gonna move

14:41

that's not what's happening there.

14:42

what's happening there is, "all i know how to do is spend the unemployment benefits. i can only talk to girls if they share X Y Z very narrow preconceptions, my conversation revolves around internet faux news and internet faux outrage" etc.

14:42

williamdunne, yeah but where to? pretty much all like that these days

14:43

chetty: Seems like the USG is the only one who would prosecute someone for offering CFDs built on smart-contracts

14:44

point!

14:44

chetty: Much like Argentina so far hasn't given two shits that MP runs MPEX (AFAIK)

14:44

neither did romania

14:44

neither did SEC, as it turns out

14:44

tbh, neither did the us

14:44

True

14:45

heh

14:45

Well, SEC couldn't give that many shits

14:45

nubbins` lol

14:45

But they have previously fined people for running bitcoin securities

14:45

rofl

14:45

williamdunne you know there's a shitload more to it than "saying so on reddit".

14:46

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150865 << check out the sensitized trinque. does portland suck or something ? :D

14:46

Logged on 02-06-2015 03:07:55; trinque: my well of hate for this mentality is bottomless

14:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.0003301 = 15.3827 BTC [+]

14:47

So I'm guessing if MP was US citizen or lived in US, they would have tried something

14:47

So more a matter of practicality rather than if they care or not

14:47

Its not like S.DICE lost investors money, ran a ponzi, or whatever

14:47

mircea_popescu: Exactly, only the USG seems to care

14:47

Hence why I think they should tell the US to go fuck itself and move pretty much anywhere

14:48

you will note that contrary to deceitful reporting to the contrary, by both the sec itself and the usg prop machine,

14:48

s dice was at no point involved.

14:48

what was involved was, the guy, and his feed ze birds glbse asset.

14:49

of which nobody much heard or cares to much remember, but nevertheless.

14:49

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150924 << on an' off.

14:49

Logged on 02-06-2015 07:15:59; cazalla: qntra down for anyone else? ddos back eh?

14:50

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150962 << ohohoh so much win.

14:50

Logged on 02-06-2015 11:07:58; cazalla: the barter ocf mentions a "Pietila Group" so i guess it might be him

14:50

!up williamdunne1

14:50

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54fcda9ce4b0edea648d9cea/t/556813c6e4b0f0a8f2e606e8/1432884171206/ dawg this shit has to be reposted.

14:51

This is getting very annoying, can't get back into williamdunne

14:51

what in the everloving fuck

14:51

williamdunne1 msg nickserv release

14:52

Any luck

14:52

Nope

14:52

Fuck it, I'll close the whole thing off

14:53

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150979 << i could of course just move it to a diff server, but whatevs.

14:53

Logged on 02-06-2015 11:30:01; jurov: dunno how that could be easily fixed. since mircea recoiled in horror from the "proxied php" setup, he can't easily split tittylick.php into other process with higher priority

14:55

I'm back

14:55

First off all how DAER you

14:55

I founded BarterOCF it is mi favorit AMAZING company

14:55

AMAZING COMPANY!

14:56

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mircea_popescu suspects this entire pietilla thing is elaborate parody.

14:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23102 @ 0.0003301 = 7.626 BTC [+]

14:57

very well made, at that, so allow me to be the first one to clap.

14:58

I've got eulora to compile under windows 8.1, but then the client quits: "psclient has stopped working. Windows is checking for a solution to the problem..."

14:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5148 @ 0.00033608 = 1.7301 BTC [+]

14:59

"reboot your computer" ?

14:59

neah, it waits a bit and then it "will let you know" when it finds one :)))

15:00

Traditionally the response is "have you tried turning it off and on again"

15:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30091 @ 0.00032743 = 9.8527 BTC [-]

15:01

yeah, I have the misfortune of having enough windows experience to know the famous "cure"

15:02

I chuckled http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/386el0/this_post_is_not_about_the_block_size_limit/

15:03

In fairness, I've had to do that a few times on Ubuntu

15:03

Hell, some stuff has been more stable on my windows machine than on here, but not all that much

15:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229750 @ 0.00030088 = 69.1272 BTC [-] {6}

15:04

ida ?

15:04

ubuntu is nowadays very much like windows I'd say

15:04

quite.

15:05

the reason for which I am currently seriously searching for some OS to have on my machine, as I can't stand ubuntu anymore

15:05

just stop upgrading it, stick with an old version

15:06

yeah, nothing past 10.04 was ever approved for usage anyway.

15:07

well yes, that's what I did for the moment: got an older version

15:07

but ...

15:07

I still can't stand it anymore, lol

15:07

myeah.

15:07

make a working gentoo.

15:09

mod6 was working on getting one together but im sure he can use help

15:09

The only reason Ubuntu is nice, is that everything is packageized

15:10

Maybe I'll move to debian

15:10

it could be interesting - I'll need to have a look at gentoo as I haven't really looked at it in ages

15:10

debian used to work. then it got packaged into ubuntu, and the remainder was shot in the head with systemd crapolade.

15:13

Oh, great. All I want is a stable OS with a well populated package manager

15:13

Lord, why won't you grant me this wish

15:14

myeah. a b-a os, in the shape of an usable open source something without idiocy/usgity baked in and with decent defaults so that people can install it without dedicating their life to it is ever more required.

15:15

We should call it loper

15:15

Or maybe loper-os

15:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00031969 = 5.2429 BTC [+]

15:15

!up ascii_field

15:17

"Starting on 27 June 2015, SMS notifications from Google Calendar will no longer be sent. SMS notifications were launched before smartphones were available. Now, in a world with smartphones and notifications, you can get a richer, more reliable experience on your mobile device, even offline." << well fuck that.

15:17

*

pete_dushenski kinda liked the text messages 45 min before events.

15:19

everyone must have a 'smartphone', how else they gonna keep track of you?

15:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63261 @ 0.00032136 = 20.3296 BTC [+] {3}

15:19

as if writing 1000 lines a week in here wasn't enough data.

15:20

but hey, not everyone fits in that category, i guess.

15:20

https://xotika.tv/#/development pretty countdown is on :P

15:21

lol. this is a bad format

15:21

they have no fucking idea what to do wioti it

15:21

yo Naphex , want a banner on 8chan ?

15:21

(has no idea what 8chan is )

15:21

never got into chans

15:21

mk. want 500k or so impressions ?

15:21

ofc

15:21

Naphex: Registered as a model

15:22

728x90, make me a banner.

15:22

Naphex: I'll be in Bucharest next week to audition for you

15:22

ahahaha wut ?

15:22

williamdunne: will actually be in mamaia from saturday

15:22

doing the launch

15:22

Naphex cu pizde ?

15:22

you're welcomed to join http://www.awsummit.com/

15:23

mircea_popescu: yeah ofcourse,we got some romanian playboy model

15:23

and some other gimmicks :P

15:23

damn it, now how will I make my audition

15:23

Naphex daca-mi trimiti ceva poze ok & exclusive iti fac articol pe trilema.

15:24

mircea_popescu: aye, rezolv de toate

15:24

o sa-i zic la cora sa pregateasca

15:24

cool.

15:24

Naphex: Fuck it, I'd actually go to that summit with you, but I've got a flight to Prague on Thursday

15:24

*next Thursday

15:25

Naphex da' pizda goala nu cacaturi. trilema e anti softcore

15:25

http://foaas.com/

15:26

mircea_popescu: :))

15:26

Line betting on BitBet, May 2015 http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-may-2015/

15:27

pete_dushenski ancient trilema commenter chick used to link to foib.org

15:27

mircea_popescu if trilema is anti-softcore why isn't shit allowed?

15:27

har har

15:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36895 @ 0.00033223 = 12.2576 BTC [+]

15:28

mircea_popescu: lol

15:28

deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0KM1CWY

15:29

Bad URL or network outage.

15:29

hanbot: .txt

15:29

lol

15:29

deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0KM1CWY.txt

15:30

accepted: 1

15:30

thanks pete. damned if i ever manage it correctly on the first try

15:30

np :)

15:30

why no one is hosting .txt version of stuff themselves?

15:30

i'd guess that something in the order of 30% of deeds are correctly submitted and accepted on the 1st try.

15:31

still, not having to copy text from html can be handy when deedbot link is not provided

15:31

jurov im not sure what you're asking ?

15:32

everyone just copies the clearsigned test and pastes it to wordpress

15:32

*text

15:32

it may be a problem to get the text back so that it verifies

15:32

so i'm asking to upload the original as attachemnt

15:32

*attachment

15:32

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151672 << i don't expect to live to see this. needs standardized iron

15:32

Logged on 02-06-2015 19:14:23; mircea_popescu: myeah. a b-a os, in the shape of an usable open source something without idiocy/usgity baked in and with decent defaults so that people can install it without dedicating their life to it is ever more required.

15:33

ascii_field: eat better !

15:33

like i do here [GPG signed statement]: http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2015-trading-statement

15:34

!up referredbyloper

15:34

oh i see.

15:34

not a bad idea, that.

15:36

pete_dushenski: wai wat

15:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21405 @ 0.00032115 = 6.8742 BTC [-]

15:36

jurov yeah i think i'll adopt your method from now on.

15:40

referredbyloper: welcome

15:40

favourite type of cheese?

15:41

ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151532 ;)

15:41

Logged on 02-06-2015 18:19:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150433 << so eat better.

15:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35545 @ 0.00033004 = 11.7313 BTC [+]

15:49

!up ascii_field

15:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00032889 = 12.8267 BTC [-]

16:04

U.S. ambassador to England, Joseph Kennedy, also told the studios to stop making pro-British and anti-German films, as British defeat was imminent and there was no point in America holding out alone: 'With England licked, the party's over.'

16:04

things that never happened in 1939, an archive.

16:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34348 @ 0.00031159 = 10.7025 BTC [-] {2}

16:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00030008 = 6.0016 BTC [-]

16:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00030008 = 6.1516 BTC [-]

16:14

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151267 <<< thanks in advance

16:14

Logged on 02-06-2015 15:03:12; mike_c: cazalla: I'm going to try dual-booting another box of mine and see if i can get eulora/ubuntu going. I'll post my step-by-step if it works

16:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12519 @ 0.00030008 = 3.7567 BTC [-]

16:18

mircea_popescu: link to the 1939 thing ?

16:20

!up ascii_field

16:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43620 @ 0.00031155 = 13.5898 BTC [+]

16:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00031166 = 10.2692 BTC [+]

16:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00031155 = 3.9723 BTC [-]

16:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00031166 = 1.7297 BTC [+]

16:42

ascii_field: curious myself, I googled teh quote. Found a wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_B._Mayer#cite_ref-Eyman.2C_p._277_69-0

16:43

'From September, 1939, until January, 1940, all films that could be considered anti-Nazi were banned by the Hays Office.'

16:43

heh

16:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3205 @ 0.00032889 = 1.0541 BTC [+]

16:48

mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150865 << check out the sensitized trinque. does portland suck or something ? :D << as portland has nothing, is nothing, the empty vessels here mostly define themselves as *not* the other empty vessels.

16:48

Logged on 02-06-2015 03:07:55; trinque: my well of hate for this mentality is bottomless

16:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23824 @ 0.00033284 = 7.9296 BTC [+]

16:51

black hole of meta-identity and retirement at 25

16:56

;;later tell jurov you've got depositz :)

16:56

The operation succeeded.

16:58

*

jurov looks

16:58

O.o

17:09

;;later tell WolfGoethe btw, you should get a cloak (ask on #freenode)

17:10

The operation succeeded.

17:12

!up ascii_field

17:12

;;later tell nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151173 << i actually have one, bought from an ebay sc4mz0r most of a decade ago, somewhere in my parts box

17:12

Logged on 02-06-2015 13:57:52; nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/eIuHT8a.jpg

17:12

The operation succeeded.

17:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00033308 = 2.0818 BTC [+]

17:22

ascii_field: you would even hate on red-army superman.

17:22

wai wat

17:22

in alternate timeline superman falls to soviet russia and is raised as communist

17:23

he becomes hero of red army and champion of proliterat

17:23

l0l

17:24

thestringpuller: the horror!

17:24

is there some time-warp scenario where american and comrade superman do battle?

17:27

https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/auditing-github-users-keys

17:28

someone wants to do phuctoring on github

17:28

The fruits of a classical education. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/02/the-fruits-of-a-classical-education/

17:28

punkman: wtf. as if you can't get ssh pubkey just by connecting to random boxen

17:29

-public- means... just that, public.

17:31

trinque: More like Comrade Batman vs Comrade Superman.

17:31

pretty sure ascii_field would be on team Comrade Batman. :P

17:33

lol i actually started scraping github keys today , with this intention

17:33

but with their ratelimiting, might take over a week

17:34

ascii_field http://bookaspdf.com/the-sphinx-franklin-roosevelt-the-isolationists-and-the-road- to-world-war-ii.html

17:35

mircea_popescu: found it earlier, neat

17:35

seems like the guy found a bunch of people using keys generated while Debians OpenSSH could only make 32k distinct keys

17:35

unless someone here generates and donates their oauth key

17:35

the 'factorable' folks did the earlier

17:35

iirc

17:35

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ascii_field did not discover gcd! euclid did

17:35

Debians OpenSSH could only make 32k distinct keys << o.O

17:35

when the fuck was this ?!

17:35

'03 ?

17:35

*

mircea_popescu was busy at the time, apparently.

17:36

seriously ? this was a thing ?

17:36

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/05/random_number_b.html

17:37

https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/5720/

17:38

big thing

17:38

who doesn't remember THE debian bug

17:38

me, apparently.

17:38

granted, so many of these fuckups going on every year

17:38

they even hacked debian servers and stole the source code!!!

17:38

http://jblevins.org/log/ssh-vulnkey << different from the one i was thinking of

17:39

On May 13th, 2008 Seems that the bug was introduced in September 2006.

17:39

o.O

17:39

Instead of mixing in random data for the initial seed, the only "random" value that was used was the current process ID. On the Linux platform, the default maximum process ID is 32,768, resulting in a very small number of seed values being used for all PRNG operations.

17:39

process id as a random value, god help us

17:39

"Back when the NSA was routinely weakening commercial cryptography, their favorite technique was reducing the entropy of the random number generator."

17:39

oh i see, BACK WHEN

17:39

ahahaha.

17:39

'back when.'

17:39

back when dudes took pictures of naked women...

17:39

you know, before the internet...

17:39

before bitcoin

17:41

in other lulz, http://cryptome.org/2015/06/fbi-sky-spies.htm

17:43

!up ascii_field

17:44

check out the flight paths, e.g., http://imagebin.ca/231QwtGcRLMz/N912EXNYC.png http://imagebin.ca/231OJfk5LfsD/Baltimoreheavy.png

17:46

they go in circles all day...

17:46

"wide-area mass surveillance and location tracking of entire cities and towns."

17:46

picking up stray rf or whatnot.

17:46

maybe munching on cell phones, wifi, so on

17:47

why do they register these and let them show up on flightradar24?

17:47

punkman: generally u.s. airplanes are required to broadcast id

17:47

punkman: for reasons i cannot fathom, usg does not even exempt its own snoops from this.

↖ ↖

17:48

http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/06/02/1950234/microsoft-to-support-ssh-in-windows-and-contribute-to-openssh

17:49

twist : tyhey're really nk spyplanes

17:49

I remember some artist guy that dug-up a similar list of air transport shell companies that were used to move prisoners around

17:49

mircea_popescu: lol

17:49

jurov: Nice move, I'm still amazed .net is being OSS'd

17:49

I'm just hoping and praying Android ends up running .net

17:49

I'm skeptical that company can ever do anything right

17:49

ascii_field easy to fathom tho. one of those rotten cases where the exemption is louder than the thing it covers.

17:50

trinque: Honestly, recently I think they've been doing some great stuff.

17:50

williamdunne: nadella does seem to be doing his damnedest to right the ship

17:50

we'll see

17:51

Aye, Visual Studio community, OSS'ing .net being my two favourites

17:52

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151841 << embrace, extend, extinguish (TM) (R)

17:52

Logged on 02-06-2015 21:48:25; jurov: http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/06/02/1950234/microsoft-to-support-ssh-in-windows-and-contribute-to-openssh

17:53

^ this is exactly what I expect of their recent "great stuff"

17:54

openssh gets tied into some windows auth mechanism, so on

17:54

but who knows, apple looked dead once

17:54

microshit attempted this with every single thing it ever touched

17:54

still is dead for some measures

17:54

no exceptions

17:55

right, this looks just like how they approached the web. open standards? sure! sounds great

17:55

oh... try some activex though

17:55

williamdunne: does for example the open source .net ship any opaque binary wads?

17:56

if so, rootkit.

17:56

trinque: I don't believe so, but I haven't checked it in its entirely

17:56

mircea_popescu you've got depositz :)

17:57

williamdunne: or maybe the post-oracle virtualbox approach

17:57

where it has "non-free" extensions

17:58

IIRC the logic was that they want to promote their development tools, and premium products such as SQL server by making their stuff more prolific

17:58

kakobrekla

,,,-.--------čl

17:59

kako's cat has spoken

18:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83300 @ 0.00033755 = 28.1179 BTC [+] {2}

18:03

kakobrekla

oh yeah sorry about that.

18:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4334 @ 0.00034011 = 1.474 BTC [+]

18:08

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/02/us-usa-security-surveillance-passage-idUSKBN0OI2I920150602 << oh good, they added slightly more bureaucratic procedure to the surveillance, and decided they'd outsource the data storage to the companies themselves...

18:10

'But instead of routinely feeding U.S. intelligence agencies such data, the companies would be required to turn it over only in response to a government request approved by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.' << l0l, the same 'court' which consists of a remotely-operated rubber stamp for director of intel.

18:11

ascii_field: progress! this will cost far less. god bless the free market.

18:12

fascism is that thing where you cook jews in ovens, and wear stylish hugo boss uniforms, right?

18:15

!up ascii_field

18:15

;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9EEA1A9FB9290DC70739E70AB8E97F3FC0DB67BAE16B955D5BF0AD92FF9D8B3E << NOT in magic set

18:16

The operation succeeded.

18:16

;;later tell mircea_popescu https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=jbollstrom%40gmail.com&op=index << tell-tale duplicate submission. but not the usual 32-bit walk thing

18:17

The operation succeeded.

18:17

and it looks like somebody's ddosing sks ?

18:17

for perhaps a week now!

18:19

https://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net/key/0x342FA15421BD34F2 << diddled key for bollstrom; https://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net/key/0x4372F22E6DF53A6B >> his original

18:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102200 @ 0.00034481 = 35.2396 BTC [+] {2}

18:21

http://dpaste.com/37KPXYY.txt

18:24

http://imgur.com/V4CS5PF << diff

18:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56850 @ 0.00034783 = 19.7741 BTC [+]

18:25

sig does not verify

18:26

looks like random finnish dude that like weed and anime, maybe a Silk Road customer https://joindiaspora.com/posts/730630

18:27

but of course, as with the 32-bit 'magic set', the bottom 32 are the same, and this key would probably work in some winblows turd pgptron

18:27

at this point it probably makes sense to churn the entire sks db for tuples of keys having same userid and date, and diff all said tuples.

18:27

ascii_field: neither url works

18:27

Page not found: /key/0x4372F22E6DF53A6B

18:27

jurov: l0l!

18:27

must have -just now- been zapped

18:28

https://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=jbollstrom%40gmail.com

18:29

try direct link?

18:29

diddled key is topmost

18:29

https://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=bollstrom&fingerprint=on << can be got from here

18:30

see the earlier linked image for which bytes were altered

18:31

heh it's even visible in exported format

18:31

only 5th row changed

18:31

jurov: diff is of output of pgpdump -i

18:35

was bad endianness handling ever mentioned as possible culprit?

18:35

but then the bytes would be shuffled, not bits reversed

18:36

jurov: why would this affect the exponent (magic-98 set, rather than this latest one) and adjust the length field correctly ?

18:36

endian issue was the first hypothesis i considered - and rejected

18:37

jurov: those things were crafted. not a shred of doubt remains in my mind about it.

18:37

yea

18:38

crafted with an angle towards 'plausible deniability if one doesn't look too closely,' yes

18:42

!up artifexd

18:42

!up jordandotdev

18:43

artifexd: how goes gossipd?

18:43

I was just about to ask the same :)

18:43

!gettrust artifexd

18:43

Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user artifexd: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=gabriel_laddel&to=artifexd | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/artifexd/

18:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00033996 = 16.828 BTC [-]

18:45

!up assbot

18:45

!up ascii_field

18:46

!up SirJacket

18:46

!up alphonse23_

18:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00033308 = 1.0992 BTC [-]

18:47

what's this, bots here to munch logs?

18:54

good evening all

18:55

Hi

18:57

quiet evening here

18:57

well, evening for me anyway.

19:05

hello

19:05

!up E8888____

19:05

I was voiced

19:05

how is it everyone?

19:05

yes, hi. who are you?

19:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00034783 = 5.687 BTC [+]

19:06

this is the channel that announced that they factore a 4067 rsa key

19:06

or something like that

19:06

maybe it wasn't 4067

19:06

yeah something like that

19:06

and you are the user who ... ?

19:06

alphonse23_: note that this does not mean RSA in the abstract is broken

19:06

it means some implementation *may* be

19:06

4096

19:07

that's the one, yes

19:07

factor of 2^n

19:07

trinque: I know! I'm not that big of a noob

19:07

just tends to be the first thing that comes up

19:08

also, welcome

19:08

HN was shaming that announcement

19:08

claiming it was trolling

19:08

was it really. explain yourselves!

19:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5522 @ 0.00034783 = 1.9207 BTC [+]

19:09

no, you explain yourself!

19:09

fine!

19:09

lolwtfbbq

19:09

I have so much reading left to do danielpbarron

19:10

same here

19:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22658 @ 0.00034844 = 7.895 BTC [+]

19:10

danielpbarron: looks like he explained himself rather thoroughly eh?

19:10

I'm trying to catch up on the entire mailing list before I joined. :/

19:10

don't forget the log

19:11

Yeah. I like the bash logs, I can even read those on android.

19:16

!up alphonse23_

19:17

and I'm back

19:17

why does my irc service keep crashing.

19:17

alphonse23_: that irccloud thing seems like a turd

19:17

if the logs are any indication

19:17

what do the logs say?

19:17

I hate irccloud

19:17

I pay for it

19:17

I decided I use IRC enough to pay for the service

19:18

lolwut

19:18

irc is free man

19:18

it is, but they do the archiving for you

19:18

which is nice

19:18

For real. I use a shell and weechat

19:18

you mean... logs?

19:18

alphonse23_: all clients do logs

19:18

yes, they keep track of the history of all the channels I'm in

19:18

I can grep logs right from my client

19:18

so I never miss anything

19:18

but it depends if the channel is logged

19:18

not all channels are logged

19:19

...

19:19

nope, my client keeps logs

19:19

I think I got it specificically for channels that I wanted to logged, that didn't have anyone doing it for them.

19:19

alphonse23_: dude, all clients log

19:19

really? but do you keep your computer on at all times?

19:19

unless you webcht

19:20

ah ok, I see what you mean by log now

19:20

alphonse23_: this is generally a "bouncer" you run elsewhere from your local computer

19:20

and which you connect to with your client

19:20

they've webified that, but people have done it since ancient times

19:20

webify all the things!

19:21

ben_vulpes: make app icon! raise 15m! year later, raze your business!

19:21

http://www.eulorum.org/Gameplay << this is literally all I have figured out after hours of gameplay.

19:22

i got some results from /explore but i have no idea about them yet

19:23

<danielpbarron> no, you explain yourself! << For the record in tis situation you coulda just linked http://nosuchlabs.com/stats

19:24

alphonse23_: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats

19:25

oh is his key phucked?

19:25

is a bouncer a server

19:25

danielpbarron: Not that I know of, but dude wanted to know if it was trolling, so the solution is point them to the fount of data

19:25

alphonse23_: yessir

19:25

do I have to purchase the server?

19:25

alphonse23_: yup, or run a second box at home

19:25

decent intro to fiddling with such things if you never have

19:25

well. maybe I could do that.

19:25

I wonder though. I pay irccloud 5 dollars a month

19:25

alphonse23_: Well, if you want to be a dick you could use botnet slaves as IRC bouncer, but easier to leave an old machine on at home to bounce IRC. Black and white Macs are ideal

19:25

i assumed anything that he might have read that pointed to this channel would have also linked to the real phuctor but yeah ok

19:25

owning a server, even if it's through digital ocean, would still be slightly more expensive.

19:25

I think linode starts out at 10 bucks a month

19:26

see, more than irccloud

19:26

tons of virtual hosting things out there

19:26

the main benefit would be learning

19:26

try hashbang, it's free

19:26

k, I have othing things I'd like to learn that to setup something to log an irc channel

19:26

WHo only logs one IRC channel?

19:27

for instance, I'd like to actually understands rsa factoring

19:27

does 4096 refer to the max size of one of the primes. or the primes multiplied togetheR?

19:27

alphonse23_: Once again http://nosuchlabs.com/stats uses euclid's greatest common divisor

19:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4681 @ 0.00033561 = 1.571 BTC [-]

19:28

!up NewLiberty

19:28

is teh arsebot sleepin?

19:28

I bet even if I knew what that algorithm is, Id' still have doubts

19:28

$10/month is about equiv to the electricity cost of a 120v machine running 24/7 for a year

19:28

trinque: Kako's cat prolly typed assbot too. Either that or there is another dispute over the pod bay doors.

19:29

NewLiberty: All depends on the machine and amps.

19:29

good rule of thumb being $1/v/annum

19:29

BingoBoingo: dispute over the pod bay doors << bwhahahaha

19:29

sure sure, some variation.

19:30

I'm on solar so, up to what I produce, no added cost

19:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00033561 = 18.1901 BTC [-]

19:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00033561 = 1.1243 BTC [-]

19:42

;;ticker --market buttstamp

19:42

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 225.2, Best ask: 225.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 225.31, 24 hour volume: 7750.11381028, 24 hour low: 221.34, 24 hour high: 226.38, 24 hour vwap: 223.644666851

19:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8869 @ 0.00033561 = 2.9765 BTC [-]

19:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67179 @ 0.00034844 = 23.4079 BTC [+]

20:02

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.20760911 = 1.6609 BTC [+]

20:06

!up alphonse23_

20:06

alphonse23_: you still there?

20:06

Pure hilarity on this show

20:06

yup

20:06

what's up

20:06

Two identical twin brothers at a festival, guy tries to cheat on his girlfriend with some bird

20:06

alphonse23_: author of 'phuctor' speaking. you had questions ?

20:07

Brother calls him out

20:07

They argue with each other

20:07

The other brother fucks his bird

20:07

what does 4096 refer to

20:07

the maximum size of the primes

20:07

alphonse23_: no. the size of the modulus, typically a product of two primes

20:07

or the maximum size of what the two primes are multiplied to each other?

20:07

Bits of entropy

20:08

so 4096 is the maximum size of the product of the two primes?

20:08

aha.

20:08

Only on Debian

20:08

doesn't that only leave a handful of primes though

20:08

you could just check them all.

20:08

right?

20:08

Yes

20:09

is the question specifically concerning the buggy debian rng ?

20:09

or rsa in general

20:09

RSA in general

20:09

Debian was a joke on my part

20:09

williamdunne: i think we have a genuine noob here, and you are addling him

20:09

williamdunne: please stop.

20:10

i'm not that big of a noob

20:10

alphonse23_: This might help you understand what the 4096 means

20:10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_strength

20:11

just not an expert

20:11

alphonse23_: 'checking them all', given current of foreseeable technology, would take several thousand years.

20:11

and what point are you not a noob

20:11

maybe you can ask that about everything

20:11

and maybe I shouldn't care

20:11

alphonse23_: noob's not an insult

20:11

"beginner's mind"

20:11

alphonse23_: rsa is not especially complicated. you can understand the basic idea after an hour's study

20:12

alphonse23_: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RSAEncryption.html for example.

20:13

yea, I've read a fair share of online guides about it

20:13

I kind of understand

20:13

alphonse23_: http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/thematic_tutorials/numtheory_rsa.html << worked examples

20:14

still don't get elliptical curve cryptography at all.

20:14

alphonse23_: 'phuctor' deals only with traditional rsa keys.

20:14

twitter works on 2056 I think

20:15

why no go decrypt some twitter traffic or something

20:15

what's the purpose of all this?

20:15

alphonse23_: basic idea, which is very old, is that euclid's greatest-common-divisor algorithm is very fast, for arbitrarily large numbers. so if two or more rsa keys were to share a factor, it will pop up.

20:16

Can only break bad keys

20:16

alphonse23_: the idea is to find evidence of sabotaged implementations of rsa key generator.

20:17

find the NSA at work?

20:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33926 @ 0.00033308 = 11.3001 BTC [-]

20:17

alphonse23_: instead we found that someone is uploading carefully modified versions of other people's keys to sks key server net

20:19

interesting

20:19

I've never heard of the sks key server

20:19

alphonse23_: it isn't one specific server, but a network of mirrors

20:19

entirely automatic

20:20

typically users of pgp/gpg upload their public keys there, and they can later be retrieved by anyone using a hash of the key

20:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00033258 = 2.7937 BTC [-]

20:20

oh, so if you want to store your pgp some where, so anyone can verify it's you, you upload it to sks

20:21

i've been using a service called keybase.io lately. Is that a noob service?

20:21

!s keybase

20:21

64 results for 'keybase' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=keybase

20:21

keybase blows

20:22

Personally I like it, just don't store your keys there

20:22

I have some invite codes

20:22

alphonse23_: if you let them generate keys for you, they have your private key. this ought to be elementarily obvious

20:22

if anyone wants them :)

20:22

that's a good point asciilifeform

20:22

Thats just it, I wouldn't be storing my keys there.

20:22

that generate the primes right in front of you! :)

20:22

*they generate the primes

20:22

shinohai: Exactly, you don't have to, to use the service :)

20:23

I guess it's made very user friendly though

20:23

It's nice and all, but I just don't see the advantage over plain gpg

20:23

it comes with a CLI app that lets you verify anyone on their servers

20:23

alphonse23_: it is 'user friendly' in the same way that a mousetrap is mouse-friendly

20:23

alphonse23_: ever heard "if it's free, you're the product" ?

20:23

maybe though the issue is, where would one store a public key. on whose server

20:24

it would probably be like facebook, if it ever got popular. Which ever server became the most widespread.

20:24

Don't. Use a keyring or a yubi.

20:24

<alphonse23_> maybe though the issue is, where would one store a public key. on whose server << Ideally if you want people to find your public key you spray it all over, but especially spray it in venues associated with your identity.

20:25

alphonse23_: there is a large and well-established network of public key servers. e.g., https://pgp.mit.edu and other sks

20:26

I have many online identities. I think keybase.io purpose is to verify and unify those identities

20:26

alphonse23_: they all mirror one another.

20:26

so people know it's you

20:26

alphonse23_: for people whom you will never meet, 'you' are the key. and nothing else.

20:26

had no idea. I only used keybase.io because someone I know was using it, and I thought it was a great idea.

20:26

alphonse23_: if someone other than you knows your private key, it is by definition not private

20:26

I don't give out my private key

20:26

alphonse23_: except to keybase?

20:26

alphonse23_, the sites that keybase lets you link to your identity aren't really worth linking to your identity

20:27

well. they don't have my private key

20:27

^ danielpbarron

20:27

alphonse23_: if you let them generate it, they have it

20:27

keybase sticks it in browser local storage, right?

20:27

but they did show the primes generated for it when I signed up for the service

20:27

alphonse23_: all they have to do is ship you some javascript once that reads that and transmits it elsewhere

20:27

so you could say it's a compromised service

20:27

alphonse23_: the very idea is braindamaged

20:27

ok fine. But should I not trust keybase...

20:28

I'm not sure. I was just trying out the service

20:28

alphonse23_: Its compromised if you a) generate your keys with them, or b) store your keys with them.

20:28

but yes, I should probably micromanage my own keys and passwords

20:29

Its not even micromanaging, its just owning

20:30

one should use the same precautions with their bitcoin private keys.

20:30

you only own the coin if you *own* the private keys in the strictest sense

20:30

the recommendation in here is to not even use newer versions of gpg, let alone some add-on made by a dating website guy

20:31

alphonse23_: if someone else has a copy of your private key, whether because you let them generate it for you, or gave it up for storage for 'convenience', he can do anything which you can do. this ought to be obvious

20:38

!up alphonse23_

20:38

well. like I know that.

20:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00033261 = 6.885 BTC [+]

20:38

alphonse23_: Well you do now. The question is what are you going to do about it?

20:39

I'm going to become paranoid, and start keeping track of my own keys

20:39

and stop being naive and trying out services from guys who start dating websites

20:40

!b 3

20:40

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1STHGCG.txt )

20:40

bravo!

20:40

I've actually been meaning to start using a key locker or something

20:40

but I haven't been able to find one.

20:40

any recommendations

20:40

alphonse23_: what is a 'key locker' ?

20:40

like, not necessarily a key locker, but somewhere to store passwords

20:41

alphonse23_: you already own a device for storing passwords. it is attached to your shoulders.

20:41

my brain

20:42

but I use a lot of services online

20:42

passwords.gpg

20:42

and I don't really keep track of all my passwords

20:42

but I should

20:42

but I've been using the internet for years now.

20:42

derpy_web_passwords.gpg

20:42

super_important_passwords.gpg

20:45

k

20:45

I'll do that

20:45

thanks bitcon-assets

20:49

this uses gpg http://www.passwordstore.org/

20:55

I've found KeyPassX adequate for storing tons of derpy web passwords. Also available on pretty much any OD

20:55

*OS

20:57

punkman: hey that's neat

20:59

I usually recommend Keepass to people that have been using a single password for the past 15 years

21:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46650 @ 0.00033268 = 15.5195 BTC [+] {2}

21:03

I've been using it a while every version I used is the same local machine only deal that encrypts the derpy web passwords together in a single database file. Working on all the *nixen is a plus

21:04

http://marcwebbie.io/passpie/

21:05

<+mircea_popescu> mod6 was working on getting one together but im sure he can use help << yeah, certainly on testing. i bought a pos box to use to build a physical gentoo box guide. i messed up something now grub is unhappy. I havne't been able to take a decent look at it since sunday morning.

21:05

Anyway, help/testing is always welcome.

21:05

testing on what mod6 ?

21:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53674 @ 0.00033258 = 17.8509 BTC [-]

21:17

i ran into issues with grub as well; ended up using the older version

21:19

shinohai: oh, im creating a guide on how to build gentoo on a physical box. it seems that the handbook covers it mostly. except for me I had problems with some things.

21:19

gentoo is a nightmare.

21:20

once it's working it's quite nice

21:20

but it has this uclibc hardened stage3 that i'd like to try out as a platform from which we can utilize building and testing the R. I.

21:21

danielpbarron: i'll never enjoy it, i come from bsd. :]

21:24

*

BingoBoingo likes the even BSD even moar the more he lives with it

21:27

anyway, yeah, im sure i just did something dumb on my end with gentoo. i got it working fine on AWS.

21:28

im beginning to be skeptical that anyone can just get this working very easily though.

21:28

I haven't delved into gentoo :/

21:28

so hopefully the guide I create will make it a bit easier. hopefully.

21:29

btw, bitcoind built swimmingly on Ubuntu 14.04

21:29

Even though I don't like/use Ubuntu - it works.

21:30

good to hear. thx :]

21:30

x86-64 im guessing?

21:32

yes

21:33

I just got bored and wanted to see if it would work on a spare shell I had.

21:33

cool, thanks!

21:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00033258 = 8.6803 BTC [-]

21:34

Everyone wants to know when you guys are gonna release the Windoze version /s

21:34

Update: v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is at block: 335628

21:35

shinohai: haha.

21:35

I haven't applied that patch yet :/

21:37

oh the 2 orphange ones?

21:38

i wouldn't worry about it. these are experimental as of now. at a later time, they maybe included in a milestone release.

21:39

unless you wanna test those seperately from your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE version

21:39

Awesum. I hold off because I'm lazy and waiting for the first one to sync

21:39

yeah, sounds good.

21:39

I need to set up an image to test on. I was gonna try an Arch image.

21:40

cool, if you do, let us know how it works out

21:41

I have this crazy idea of getting it to run on those little arch images that work on Android

21:41

xD

21:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00033258 = 4.7393 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6970 @ 0.00033258 = 2.3181 BTC [-]

~ 17 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7406 @ 0.00033258 = 2.4631 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90786 @ 0.00033069 = 30.022 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9945 @ 0.00033312 = 3.3129 BTC [+]

22:24

outragous usg law > http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2014/09/25/11th-circuit-court-of-appeals-panel-kowtows-to-tsa/

22:25

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/46110 < " Findings of fact by the Secretary, Under Secretary, or Administrator, if supported by substantial evidence, are conclusive. "

22:28

decimation soviet justice moved more and more towards administrative adjudication too

22:28

soon enough thewy had police courts.

22:29

asciilifeform aha.

22:29

heh what is a 'police court'

22:30

a collection of police who decide to throw you in the gulag?

22:30

more and more it seems like the judicial branch simply acts as a rubber stamp for the executive

22:30

and where it might have a modicum of oversight, congress stamps it down

22:31

a police court is the choice way to deal with drunks and domestic disputes.

22:32

as the citizenry loses intellectual capacity and political standing, all its complaints look more and more like the results of drunken revelry and sexual stubbornness

22:33

asciilifeform also, 29 is a new prime innit.

22:33

'drunks and domestic disputes' consume the vast majority of the court's time

22:34

somehow they are in a hurry to get back to them, rather than thinking about the wider ramifications of the government's assertations

22:34

at any rate, that papersplease.org is a pretty good blog, has much to say on the police state in the us, especially with with respect to flying

22:35

<decimation> 'drunks and domestic disputes' consume the vast majority of the court's time << Fuck you my case has only been a plaque in neighboring county's arteries for two years nao

22:36

lol

22:37

BingoBoingo: ask any cop what the majority of his calls are, and generally the answer is 'domestics'

22:37

and generally the domestics involve drunks

22:38

decimation: this particular local most 911 calls are loud cars after 10pm

22:38

heh

22:38

loud cars suck. for some reason americans are in love with enragingly loud cars/motorbikes

22:38

Fuck, I really am torn on whether ot not to approve spam comment for "mosin nagant 10 round magazine"

22:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33956 @ 0.00033312 = 11.3114 BTC [+]

22:40

But I mean if the US Supreme court takes the Elonis case's legacy further... they will have to answer is drunk a Mens Rea

22:40

americans can be herded like cattle through airports, tracked, tagged, and spied upon, but they really get pissed if you try to clamp down on loud/poorly operating cars/bikes

22:40

'you can't take away our freedom'

22:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00033312 = 4.0974 BTC [+]

22:41

http://qntra.net/2015/06/foundation-report-bring-bitcoin-client-performance-improvement-and-testing/#comment-25527 << speaking of comments, this was nice.

22:42

BingoBoingo: l0l, mosin took stripperclips not mags

22:42

asciilifeform: Yeah. Imma guessing that the product is replacement for the fixed factory mag which would hold 10 rounds instead of 5, but link leads nowhere comprehensible in browser.

22:42

mircea_popescu: see log for diff, incl. screenshot of visualdiff

22:43

mod6: As best as I can tell twas not a #b-a regular who said that so major props

22:43

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151853 << there wasn't that much there to extinguish in the first place.

22:43

Logged on 02-06-2015 21:52:56; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151841 << embrace, extend, extinguish (TM) (R)

22:43

openssh is probably the most important contribution to software insecurity in history of computing.

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mircea_popescu: that'd be openssl

22:44

mircea_popescu: Confusing it with OpenSSL again

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darn

22:44

wait

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OpenSSH is the OpenBSD ssh implementation

22:44

windows is putting SSH in ?!

22:44

Yeah

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mircea_popescu: that was the item, yes

22:44

asciilifeform: have you used coverity?

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must inject microshit into the one protocol which had no microshittery, yes

22:45

i had thought they had just given up on their own version of telnet-ssl.

22:45

decimation: nope

22:45

since "open source"-usg is doing so well at it.

22:45

apparently coverity allows you to submit your code/binary to their tool, will spit out potential bugs

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it might be mildly interesting to do so for the bitcoin reference implementation

22:46

I would fully expect reams of shit though

22:46

Honestly I worry moar for pete and the other Candidians than I do for the USians.

22:46

decimation: 1) take 'lint' 2) close source, put on www as-service 3) ??? 4) profit!!11!!1

22:46

decimation how does it work ?

22:46

heh I don't think it's that simple

22:46

basically what alf said + benefit of doubt.

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Must collect arms in case defense of Theo becomes necessary

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https://scan.coverity.com/ < here's the ad page

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I have no doubt it would produce much noise, but it is a possible starting point

22:48

interestingly 'bitcoin' has already been submitted

22:48

where is the output ?

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https://scan.coverity.com/projects/1683

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I think you need to get an account, I will try to see if it is that easy

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I'm not sure if they also submitted the deps, but bitcoin weighs in at 16 million lines of code

22:49

l0l wat

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yes, that's what the scanner says

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haha

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151875 << dawg, did i call it or did i call it lmao

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Logged on 02-06-2015 22:08:48; trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/02/us-usa-security-surveillance-passage-idUSKBN0OI2I920150602 << oh good, they added slightly more bureaucratic procedure to the surveillance, and decided they'd outsource the data storage to the companies themselves...

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mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that it was -already- handled this way. only thing that will change (once anyone gets around to it) is a few lines in a spreadshit

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for accounting

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meyah

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http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1128

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'Andy confirmed that Coverity does not spot the heartbleed flaw and said that it remained stubborn even when they tweaked various analysis settings.'

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151894 << yes, actually.

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Logged on 02-06-2015 22:27:24; ascii_field: at this point it probably makes sense to churn the entire sks db for tuples of keys having same userid and date, and diff all said tuples.

22:52

heh yeah

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asciilifeform generally, it is a safe assumption that any diddlomatics coming out of nsa are highly engineered to bypass automatic detection

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<asciilifeform> 'Andy confirmed that Coverity does not spot the heartbleed flaw and said that it remained stubborn even when they tweaked various analysis settings.' << Can't spot heartbleed because custom OpenSSL malloc

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mircea_popescu: the basic concept that must be understood is that c/cpp are entirely impossible to 'reason' about mechanically

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151908 << it was mentioned, came to this same problem

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Logged on 02-06-2015 22:35:55; jurov: but then the bytes would be shuffled, not bits reversed

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due to the way pointer arithmetic works

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custom OpenSSL malloc and its impenatrability is why OpenBSD forked LibreSSL

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languages where a program is intended to be 'rationated' by means of machine, tend to be agonizingly restrictive

22:54

!s ada ravenscar

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0 results for 'ada ravenscar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ada+ravenscar

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!s ravenscar

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0 results for 'ravenscar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ravenscar

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hm

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http://docs.adacore.com/sparkdocs-docs/Examiner_Ravenscar.htm

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I thought it was SPARK

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http://spinroot.com/p10/ < 10 rules for safety critical code

22:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11928 @ 0.00033312 = 3.9735 BTC [+] {2}

22:56

bitcoin violates nearly all of them

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decimation: 'ravenscar' is a yet-more-bsdm-ish spark

22:56

heh awesome

22:56

alphonse23_ you read http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ an http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ i expect ?

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Limit functions to no more than 60 lines of text. << 60 because why. my screen fits 24.

22:58

l0l now we learn that mircea_popescu programs in turboc

22:58

heh yeah that's kinda arbitrary

22:58

but still, not a bad idea to break code into 'paragraphs'

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asciilifeform: I would be willing to make the trade to some kind of fascist ada if I could be assured that the tools would detect nearly all detectablle bugs

22:58

!up kalki

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decimation: one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular is that, once people are rid of 'bugs from the fingers', they are left face to face with 'bugs in the head'

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kalki

thx decimation

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151997 << not managed to mine anything yet ?

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Logged on 02-06-2015 23:21:22; jurov: http://www.eulorum.org/Gameplay << this is literally all I have figured out after hours of gameplay.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152011 << the converse is a safe assumption. shitgnomes are more than happy to tell you the "meta" story of what happened, which is characteristically light on any sort of useful or usable anything.

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Logged on 02-06-2015 23:25:27; danielpbarron: i assumed anything that he might have read that pointed to this channel would have also linked to the real phuctor but yeah ok

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asciilifeform: aye, precisely. but those 'bugs in head' are the primary concern of a programmer, presumably

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actually it is worth pointing out that most of the newsturds specifically -did not- link to phuctor

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as if reality were contusive or something. which, i suppose it actually is for their ilk

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or to mircea_popescu's www

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asciilifeform reason actually related to the " one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular"

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http://codemonkey.org.uk/2014/08/05/linux-316-coverity-stats/ < dave jones (of linux kernel fame) is trying to use coverity to fix kernel bugs

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152021 << 4096 bits (~ 400 digits long) is the size of the key.

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Logged on 02-06-2015 23:27:20; alphonse23_: does 4096 refer to the max size of one of the primes. or the primes multiplied togetheR?

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mircea_popescu: note that typical derprogrammer likes to sit down on a soft cushion of 'it doesn't work because i surely made a small mistake', rather than the hard concrete of 'it is broken because i am illiterate' --- or the sharp pine stake of 'because i am a moron'

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asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets

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<decimation> asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets << How do you score qntra on this scale?

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qntra seems to have original content generally

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although at times can be a bit rambling

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asciilifeform today i had to look into mod security. which somehow didn't run, tho it was included in apache. which needed to be recompiled. which failed. do you happen to have any idea what apache's like incidentally ?

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apache is a lot like bitcoin, actually.

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mircea_popescu: it is an ancient horror, yes

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why is it so complicated to shit stuff on port 80

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apache may be the worst codebase ever written

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which reminds me of a bit of idiocy, brb

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mircea_popescu: nah, the old netscape crud (from which we get 'mozilla' et al) is probably worse

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EXACTLY what it reminded me of. one sec.

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http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html <

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http://www.amazon.com/Borland-Turbo-C/dp/B000I5KFIE << l0l

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"Before Borland's new spreadsheet for Windows shipped, Philippe Kahn, the colorful founder of Borland, was quoted a lot in the press bragging about how Quattro Pro would be much better than Microsoft Excel, because it was written from scratch. All new source code! As if source code rusted."

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"The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they've been fixed. There's nothing wrong with it. It doesn't acquire bugs just by sitting around on your hard drive. Au contraire, baby! Is software supposed to be like an old Dodge Dart, that rusts just sitting in the garage? Is software like a teddy bear that's kind of gross if

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it's not made out of all new material?"

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the idea that new code is better than old IS NOT patently absurd when the old code was writen by unaware idiots.

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like netscape was. like apache was. "but mp... it works!"

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fuck your mother with a clay pot.

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"Back to that two page function. Yes, I know, it's just a simple function to display a window, but it has grown little hairs and stuff on it and nobody knows why. Well, I'll tell you why: those are bug fixes. One of them fixes that bug that Nancy had when she tried to install the thing on a computer that didn't have Internet Explorer. Another one fixes that bug that occurs in low memory conditions. Another one fixes th

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at bug that occurred when the file is on a floppy disk and the user yanks out the disk in the middle. That LoadLibrary call is ugly but it makes the code work on old versions of Windows 95."

23:09

imagine the world these spreadsheet pushers live in.

23:09

they live in microshitland

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where even this is not enough, and they leave nop sleds (yes) in the binaries, for hot-patching (and virii)

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you see the programmers are too busy 'delivering' to think about issues like 'why is the whole thing a peice of shit'

23:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00033001 = 6.2702 BTC [-]

23:10

to be fair, most often these folks are of the 'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (TM) (R) variety.

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thing is... i might be the only suit that can tell the difference between bad and good code, on account of being the only suit that is also literate. as in, literature-literate.

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and also, they generally profit at the end of the day

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nevertheless, it is readily observable and quite visible.

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it 'works', they 'made money', who is to question?

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me.

23:10

folks who start to 'question why' begin to have trouble with the 'do and die'

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and either starve or eventually find a way to leave the profession.

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*

BingoBoingo should prolly get new suits next year

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!up gabriel_laddel

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29893 @ 0.00032747 = 9.7891 BTC [-]

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http://codemonkey.org.uk/2015/03/13/lsfmm-2015-recap/ < lol . Josef did touch on one area that btrfs does still suck, which apparently is database workloads (iirc, due to the copy-on-write nature of btrfs). The spurious ENOSPC failures of the past should hopefully stay in the past. Things generally on the up and up.

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(Though, this does include the linecount, which has now passed 100KLOC, more than double that of XFS or ext*. Scary).

23:13

ty BingoBoingo

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btrfs is pretty much doomed to suck. Reiser of FFS ftw

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gabriel_laddel how's the os business.

23:13

yeah, people need to read the 'end-to-end principle'

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shoving shit into the lower layers of the conceptual stack just ends up causing pain and suffering

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mircea_popescu: still don't have funding, but coming along

23:14

re:not rewriting code, the story of CMUCL and its transformation into SBCL is quite pertinent

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152160 gpg --encrypt --armor -r <yourname> hit enter then put whatever passwords in there, hit ctrl-d and save the output.

23:19

Logged on 03-06-2015 00:40:32; alphonse23_: I've actually been meaning to start using a key locker or something

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42845 @ 0.00033314 = 14.2734 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29499 @ 0.00033722 = 9.9477 BTC [+]

23:20

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152192 << there still doesn't exist an eulora gentoo guide, for instance.

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Logged on 03-06-2015 01:20:00; danielpbarron: once it's working it's quite nice

23:20

that "once" may well be bridge too far for many practical applications.

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mod6: I have a *working* funtoo install guide, which is for all intents and purposes the same as gentoo

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it has been tested twice, is solid

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where ?

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feel free to send it my way.

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!s system.html

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10 results for 'system.html' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=system.html

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i'll try it out. i hosed up my grub; haven't had a chance to tinker/rebuild yet.

23:22

Section #2, Installing

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" This is a time consuming PITA. "

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i feel encouraged.

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it'll eat an entire day

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hence, I reccomend waiting on the automated install

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http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/Funtoo_Linux_Installation.htm aha.

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but if mod6 is in need of something that works, well - there it is

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"If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. "

23:25

motherfucker.

23:25

mircea_popescu: yeah, portage needs to die - 70k loc, python.

23:25

it's just... why the fuck would the color of your blouse decide whether it rains that day

23:25

thanks, just took a look. im not even sure my problems are gentoo related exactly. i think i have a good /etc/fstab. and i /think/ my partition table was setup correctly with fdisk. this pos box had win7 on it, im guessing it's MBR and not EFI.

23:25

possibly because it tries to download timestamped files?

23:25

on the other hand, how hard would it be to use ntpdate first

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why would it need to download timestamped files?

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but when i boot up, i get "grub2> " prompt and then shit like this: "(hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos4) (fd0)"

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well, after an `ls` at the grub prompt anyway.

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i basically created a livecd, did everything as instructed through the gentoo handbook.

23:27

I donno, I didn't program it. I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again

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mod6: I'd compare your fdisk -l /dev/sda with the contents of /etc/fstab

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gabriel_laddel: werd. it /seems/ right. but like I said, maybe another look will tell the tale. i'll be checking it out more tomorrow.

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mod6: creating an 'installer' that will work on abitrary hardware is not easy at all

23:28

if all else fails, i'll give your guide a shot.

23:29

decimation it's due to the cert business.

23:29

ah makes sense

23:29

because god fucking forbid you download pgp signed matter and verify it locally

23:29

nu-uh, gotta pki the shit.

23:29

heh, well gpg has the same issue

23:29

all-the-wrong-things (tm)

23:29

how ?

23:29

I tend to agree that expiration dates don't belong on keys

23:29

keys can expire

23:29

key expiring has nothing to do with verifying material they produced tho

23:30

key expiration is kinda like the 'colored coins' idea

23:30

no it does not

23:30

heh i guess so

23:31

but nevertheless someone thought they should program a check for the expiration date on the pki cert

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and/or "it couldn't possibly be valid if my wall-clock says so"

23:32

it's just this entire frantic activity as a cover-up for impotence.

23:32

retarded people who do not belong in front of a computer try their darndest to "make it secure" but have no fucking idea what that is

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so they just throw things at it. "Can't hurt, right ?" "test more things"

23:33

"nobody can say we're not hard at work over here"

23:33

well, computers are fundamentally impotent, especially w.r.t. security

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and poor quality hardware implementations

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lots of ultimately fruitless activity triggered by both of those

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mod6: fyi, if you follow that funtoo install guide and don't use the masamune-specific replacements you'll end up with a binary kernel (funtoo has already started decaying) - make sure you use the KERNEL section of system.html if nothing else

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also, I've a frozen stage3 tarball you may want to use

23:34

I thought funtoo used rhel kernels

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decimation: debian

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by default anyhow

23:35

gabriel_laddel if you're going to be doing code preservation you prolly want to hash and deed like i did on the eulora binaries for nvidia drivers.

23:35

gabriel_laddel: PSA that deedbot likes to eat manifests

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heh

23:35

alrighty

23:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00032569 = 1.6122 BTC [-] {2}

23:39

In other news, training to get into shape for boxing training is progressing nicely. 80 pushups yesterday... May be able to try a boxing gym next year. Would be nice if I could line it up with USian exodus

23:40

BingoBoingo: have a destination yet?

23:40

80 pushups ?!

23:41

gabriel_laddel: ok thanks for the heads up

23:41

can you do any chinups yet ?

23:41

trinque: Maybe mexico city or Makati

23:41

cool

23:41

mircea_popescu: Doing dumbell rows to get the strength to get to chinups/pullups. In the interim cutting weight to make that stuff easier.

23:42

!up gabriel_laddel

23:42

brb, seeing if I can do chin ups

23:42

Bingo - if central America looks good to you/you speak Spanish, south America is also a good place to flee to.

23:42

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152414 << portage fetches many things from version control systems of various sorts (cvs, svn, git, mercurial, etc, ..., etc) and these typically barf when clock is wildly off

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Logged on 03-06-2015 03:25:03; mircea_popescu: "If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. "

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('woah you're downloading from tehfyootor!!111!1'

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152425 << aha, the 'xorg' thing. shitgnomatics pure & simple

23:43

Logged on 03-06-2015 03:27:28; decimation: I donno, I didn't program it. I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again

23:44

asciilifeform if every time i went to buy a quart of milk the teller asked me what time it is...

23:44

i'd prolly just go back to a life of murder.

23:44

Landgull: I'd like to travel though as nobody

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And no, not chin-up in shape yet

23:44

If you're avoiding the US, you want to establish at the very least legal permanent residence, and proof of it somewhere else, for the tax exemption.

23:45

Landgull: Atm USia isn't so bad because I have nothing.

23:45

i beg to differ, it's pretty bad with nothing

23:46

But as that changes situation will get moar desperate

23:46

perhaps my nothings are different from BingoBoingo's ?

23:46

asciilifeform: Our scales may be differently calibrated.

23:47

my life's pretty good, but as long as I'm here I'm no better than a happy citizen of the reich

23:47

Fair enough. I established Paraguayan legal residency a while back as a way to 1) have legal residence in a 0% tax area and 2) have a guaranteed place I'm allowed to go if the world suddenly decides that it doesn't really want Americans hanging about.

23:47

Landgull: how do you plan to get there? glider ?

23:48

i recently learned, to some surprise, that ru is now a destination for immigrants

23:48

They can't ban flights in and out of the US, that would strangle the beast.

23:48

My nothing consists of an ongoing misdemeanor legal case that constrains my travel (2 years nao) and older relatives I help to keep out of the nursing home.

23:48

(but same problem as anywhere else - what to eat)

23:49

!s republikflucht

23:49

10 results for 'republikflucht' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=republikflucht

23:50

only possible (and certainly not easy) solution seems to be to establish bitcoin revenue streams, and *in time*

23:50

that and coffee wake me up in the morning

23:50

trinque: another solution is to discover cold fusion, interstellar engine, or time travel

23:51

nobody ever once started a business and made any money

23:51

business without any geographic peg at all? sure, some

23:51

but rounds to 0.

23:51

Or to go to places where you can live comfortably on ~$500-750 a month, and teach English.

23:51

Landgull: *mandarin :P

23:51

Landgull: why do you imagine anyone will pay you this to teach english

23:51

I have a buddy learning that now

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esp. after u.s. is done

23:52

Well, by the time the US is done, you should have found some way to integrate yourself into the local community.

23:53

asciilifeform: korea

23:53

Landgull: Understand most places where teaching English for money is a thing are awfully xenophobic to white people as residents. Like Korea.

23:54

ummm

23:55

Bingo: Go to Georgia - your visitor's visa is good for 360 days out of 365 (take a trip across a border to anywhere, or just give someone a $10 bribe) and English is becoming the new state language, replacing Russian, so native English speakers are in demand.

23:56

CIS countries aren't exactly paradise, but if you want out, there are plenty of ways out.

23:58

Landgull: I've got ideas, just working on means of execution. Georgia doesn't seem like a good fit.

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