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00:00 mircea_popescu sooo... ipad has a memory leak
00:01 mircea_popescu if you search for a generic term in their package manager and keep scrolling... eventually iot crashes
00:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: almost every vendor proggy on that thing has leaks
00:02 asciilifeform (crash on ios can, of course, result from conditions other than out-of-ram-kill)
00:02 mircea_popescu apparently stevieboy's idea of apt-get is a sort of mozilla
00:03 mircea_popescu and you bitch about the pile of turd that's c++/python software built on top of a c os ?
00:03 mircea_popescu what's the ipad stack then.
00:03 gabriel_laddel following up 20 post care package from #b-a blog roll http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758453 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=EVPPZSYd
00:03 assbot Logged on 16-07-2014 20:32:30; mike_c: ok - compile a list of 20 blog posts from blogs.b-a that are appropriate to target. tweet one a day @ target.
00:04 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel who's your target ?
00:05 thestringpuller good evening hanbot or I guess morning?
00:05 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: The list of targets, irc is Nick Szabo, Nicholas Taleb.
00:06 asciilifeform lol!
00:06 hanbot good timeperiod thestringpuller! :)
00:06 asciilifeform i can't picture what taleb (or for that matter herr sz) would get out of my turds
00:06 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I sent it to Terry A Davis, perhaps he can be convinced to write Lisp...
00:06 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: davis reads my site, i think; grudgingly
00:07 mircea_popescu is the guy actually nuts or just being an internet person ?
00:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: his bread and rent are paid for by usg as 'disability pension'
00:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so he has to be either 1) genuine nutter 2) play the part until he goes to his grave
00:08 mircea_popescu o yea ? because if he stops what happens ?
00:08 asciilifeform then he ends up like me, possibly
00:08 xanthyos it's not difficult for an actor to get lost in that part
00:08 mircea_popescu it is a pretty big part.
00:08 asciilifeform 'we are what we pretend to be, so must be careful what we pretend to be'
00:09 asciilifeform http://www.terna.org/enewsletter/Apr-Jun%202010/VLSI.pdf << trinary vlsi cells, for the really serious nutters
00:10 asciilifeform http://dxdy.ru/topic1670-150.html << ru thread re: above.
00:10 assbot : Computer Science - 11
00:11 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: re, what they could get out of your posts. You've rather clearly articulated the problem with the current computing stack. I'm unaware of any other person documenting the incumbent's desire to cater to the stupid. As thinking men, they must find it irritating to interface with today's machines.
00:12 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: the crux of the matter, though, is that the only possible proof is experimental. and so what i really should've worked on, instead of essays, would've been some scam like davis has
00:13 asciilifeform because it is quite impossible to carry out the proof while day job.
00:14 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: I suppose. In any case, your essays exist.
00:14 asciilifeform i've concinced perhaps... 3, 4, 5 people who actually understood what the hell the entire picture is about.
00:14 asciilifeform i suppose that's more than some people can say.
00:15 asciilifeform *convinced
00:16 mircea_popescu there's probably thousands.
00:16 mircea_popescu the trouble is, monkeys be lazy.
00:16 mircea_popescu and laziness in monkeys is perhaps the most complex self-writing piece of software ever
00:16 asciilifeform there's perhaps 2, 3 other monkeys who can do it also. but they're likely also stuck working for living.
00:18 asciilifeform 1 of the 3 other monkeys, perhaps, knows russian (which imho is an absolute hard requirement for this particular stunt)
00:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7897 @ 0.00074074 = 5.8496 BTC [-]
00:27 cazalla ;;later tell devthedev i changed a few things so that article is not overly promotional for altcoins or snapcard/wix
00:27 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:27 thestringpuller and cazalla tellin' me he ain't an editor
00:28 thestringpuller ;)
00:28 cazalla thestringpuller, i said writer, not editor :P
00:28 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/wix-com-integration-with-snapcard-allows-sites-to-accept-bitcoin/
00:29 thestringpuller how does day 8 look?
00:29 thestringpuller in terms of traffic?
00:29 asciilifeform https://www.bitcoinezy.com << linked from 'qntra'. mis-shapen usb drive with winblows exes, mega-lol!
00:29 assbot The Easiest Way To Buy Bitcoin | BitcoinEzy
00:29 thestringpuller asciilifeform: what happens when one of these "secure" wallets gets exploited?
00:29 thestringpuller hardware wallets*
00:29 asciilifeform afaik that isn't even a 'hardware wallet'
00:29 asciilifeform at least, nothing on the vendor site seems to claim it outright
00:30 thestringpuller oh i was thinking of bitstash
00:30 * asciilifeform not familiar with above
00:30 thestringpuller http://www.bitstash.com
00:30 assbot BitStash
00:30 cazalla thestringpuller, 924 views for 11 articles, my only concern with this plug in is it might be tracking BingoBoingo and my own use of the site
00:31 asciilifeform 'Accessed via hardened bluetooth wireless using your mobile devices....' << ahahaha that one.
00:31 thestringpuller yea so when one of these things gets hacked is it an immediate game over?
00:31 asciilifeform the one that picks up 'radio havana' to generate keys, yes
00:31 asciilifeform game over for whom ?
00:31 thestringpuller the consumer
00:31 mircea_popescu the construction "isn't limited to simply Bitcoin, but also Litecoin, Ripple and Dogecoin" is broken in that it expands to "isn't limited to X, it's limited to X Y Z and K"
00:32 mircea_popescu thestringpuller prolly.
00:32 asciilifeform depends also if pwned by theorist in a garret somewhere, or by vendor, by design, for mass vacuuming
00:33 asciilifeform although if remote pwnhole, can lead to same end.
00:33 asciilifeform keys generated 'with atomospheric noise and prng' suggest latter scenario
00:34 thestringpuller lol. sounds like a mole. "trust our wallet". vendor uses backdoor to steal all the consumer funds.
00:34 asciilifeform not vendor per se. vendor's vendor.
00:34 asciilifeform (his owner)
00:35 asciilifeform but i digress.
00:36 thestringpuller looks like nothing is as secure as a good 'ol paper wallet buried like old school treasure.
00:37 cazalla mircea_popescu, fixed
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01:05 asciilifeform thestringpuller: old school treasure << 'the!' treasure thread >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816402
01:05 assbot Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom
01:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00074068 = 15.7765 BTC [-] {2}
01:15 thestringpuller thanks asciilifeform, i missed that thread.
01:17 thestringpuller modern treasure hiding. i guess in international waters you have to worry about pirates?
01:18 asciilifeform thestringpuller: hardest part, aside from constructing the hypothetical apparatus, is finding the site again without recourse to satellite.
01:20 thestringpuller well i guess then treasure hunters shall find it in future if you bite the bullet before retrieval.
01:20 thestringpuller not the first time that's happened I suppose...
01:21 thestringpuller or perhaps it remains unclaimed for many lifetimes...
01:21 asciilifeform thestringpuller: go fetch treasure from 5km+ down.
01:21 asciilifeform in particular, while not knowing where.
01:21 thestringpuller the titanic hid all but lost treasures for nearly a century...
01:22 asciilifeform titanic is at ~4km, afaik - and, still there...
01:22 thestringpuller this also intrigued me about dropping a message in a bottle down the marianas trench...
01:22 thestringpuller but i don't think many devices could withstand the entire trip
01:24 decimation thestringpuller: I think the engineering is feasible, but it certainly wouldn't be cheap. As ascii emphasized in that thread, this is for items worth >$100k 'hiding'
01:25 thestringpuller i understand. my imagination likes to run wild. I was thinking of trusting a >$100k fortune in BTC to a paper wallet via treasure hiding, vs. the so-called "secure" hardware wallets
01:25 asciilifeform 100k being a very conservative figure.
01:26 thestringpuller but the problem asciilifeform has described makes for more effort of retrieval in the former scenario.
01:26 thestringpuller if retrieval is at all possible in ones lifetime after stashing.
01:27 asciilifeform trivial retrieval with hydrophone scheme (other than how to find location. learn stellar navigation.)
01:27 thestringpuller does burying device on remote island (possibly uncharted) not work anymore?
01:27 thestringpuller or is this method outdated.
01:27 asciilifeform island is cheap to search.
01:27 decimation stellar navigation is generally only as good as your time source
01:28 asciilifeform decimation: dollar store quartz watch.
01:28 decimation loses seconds per month, and how are you gonna set it if you can't count on 'infrastructure'?
01:28 thestringpuller decimation: this is why it was so difficult to tell time in the sea during the old days.
01:29 thestringpuller asciilifeform: it's funny how a quartz watch does what a very expensive device did during the 1700's.
01:29 asciilifeform building machines today that can be counted on 50 years from now - is a solvable problem.
01:29 thestringpuller in regards to sea travel
01:29 asciilifeform military engineers consider it every day.
01:29 decimation even in those old days they could reconstruct 'time' from solar observations & so forth, just took awhile to do so
01:30 asciilifeform not the same machines as sold to consumers/chumps, yes
01:30 asciilifeform but buildable.
01:30 thestringpuller well you didn't have a "torch" of time when you left the mainland...at some point watches didn't exist.
01:30 thestringpuller you know time in relation to your current position but not in relation to the mainland.
01:30 decimation asciilifeform: indeed, the first step for someone considering 'off-the-grid' navigation would be to find a way to keep the 'fire' of accurate time burning without external aid
01:30 thestringpuller longitude is hard.
01:31 asciilifeform not actually hard if you've discovered electromagnetism (electric tuning fork clock, considerably simpler than harrison's chronometer, is quite easy to construct)
01:32 thestringpuller was electomagnetism widely discovered at the point the chronometer came about?
01:32 thestringpuller i remember there was a large bounty for the chronometer during it's inception
01:32 asciilifeform nope.
01:32 asciilifeform and yes, bounty.
01:33 decimation nope, it would take a few $1,000 in ovenized crystal oscillators and/or rubidium (rubidium clocks have a finite lifetime though)
01:33 asciilifeform (there is an - american? - film about it.)
01:33 asciilifeform decimation: to locate what? an ant in the sea ?)
01:34 decimation asciilifeform: hehe well certainly one would have to calculate 'how close' one must be in order to effectively trigger release
01:35 decimation presumably the closer one can get, the more alternative retrieval methods become feasible
01:35 thestringpuller diving 5km is pretty bad.
01:35 asciilifeform if capsule floats a microphone near the thermocline (naturally, by a wire too thin to be lifted by) can 'pop' from 1000+km.
01:36 asciilifeform owner - doesn't need to dive.
01:36 asciilifeform at all.
01:36 decimation I saw the "H1" clock at the Greenwich observatory, it was a fancy machine
01:36 asciilifeform enemy - yes, has to dive.
01:36 decimation owner must dive if release fails
01:36 thestringpuller ^
01:36 decimation or swab the bottom somehow
01:36 asciilifeform if release fails - he's not an owner, any more.
01:36 asciilifeform like bitcoin.
01:36 thestringpuller point taken.
01:36 decimation hehe a gift to neptune
01:36 asciilifeform what do you own if lose key.
01:36 asciilifeform your tears.
01:36 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DD4ZYC.txt )
01:36 thestringpuller !b 3
01:37 thestringpuller grr I'll rebash that
01:37 assbot Need a number of lines.
01:37 thestringpuller !b
01:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00074049 = 1.444 BTC [-]
01:40 decimation ;;ticker
01:40 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 376.06, Best ask: 378.68, Bid-ask spread: 2.62000, Last trade: 378.68, 24 hour volume: 48239.04792239, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 369.705424437
01:40 decimation it will be interesting to see if this bottom holds
01:41 asciilifeform http://teledynebenthos.com/product/acoustic_modems/960-series-atm-966 << off the shelf.
01:42 assbot Teledyne Benthos Acoustic Modems - 960 Series ATM-966
01:42 asciilifeform 2-6 km range. max depth 6km.
01:42 thestringpuller 6km is pretty deep...
01:46 decimation asciilifeform: re: 50 year lifetime << http://globalsp.ts.fujitsu.com/dmsp/Publications/public/ru_webinar_BX_advantage_30_%20nov_12.pdf 'enterprise' servers have hilarious claimed 'mtbf' (1.7 million hours!)
01:46 asciilifeform wandering decimal place? lulz
01:47 decimation ;;calc 1700000/(24*364.25)
01:47 gribble 194.463509494
01:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00003502 = 1.0506 BTC [-] {2}
01:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40650 @ 0.00074045 = 30.0993 BTC [-] {2}
02:07 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-rise-and-rise-of-piracy/
02:09 mircea_popescu this'd be a decent idea for an oglaf strip : a retarded indian that doesn't quite grok the entire scalping business so he's going around with a string of pubic hair patches
02:10 mircea_popescu "As he packs up his BFL units to sell, he explains to his son that he threw away his bitcoins and their future because he is stupid and ignored MPOE-PR's posts on Bitcoin Talk. Despite all of this, Dan continues to wear his Butterfly Labs t-shirt till the end of the film, as if it is a remnant, a small piece of a future he will not enjoy."
02:10 mircea_popescu no fucking way ?!
02:11 cazalla that's my interpretation
02:11 cazalla he shows his kid a bitcoin difficulty chart and says look at all the people mining, these bfls are shit so im selling em
02:12 thickasthieves is that like right befror it hits $1000?
02:13 mircea_popescu hilarious article.
02:13 cazalla dunno, i only skipped through looking for good parts
02:13 thickasthieves i havent even taken the time to read 1 reddit post on the movie
02:13 thickasthieves it's repelled me from the start
02:15 cazalla it's not good, the only thing that stood out was the guy turned from enthusiastic to gutted, you can't miss it
02:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00074342 = 13.1585 BTC [+] {2}
02:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30072 @ 0.00074371 = 22.3648 BTC [+]
02:27 pete_dushenski ;;isitup fullnode.co
02:27 gribble Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
02:27 pete_dushenski ;;isitdown fullnode.co
02:28 gribble fullnode.co is down
02:28 pete_dushenski such lulz
02:28 pete_dushenski praise be to pankkake for calling their ass out back in june http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/27/fullnode-co-is-a-scam/
02:28 assbot Fullnode.co is a scam | pankkake
02:30 punkman http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/intel-underestimates-error-bounds-by-1-3-quintillion/
02:30 assbot Intel Underestimates Error Bounds by 1.3 quintillion | Random ASCII
02:31 decimation punkman: already beat you to it: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867122
02:31 assbot Logged on 10-10-2014 02:39:21; decimation: in case folks haven't seen the latest amusement with x86: http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/intel-underestimates-error-bounds-by-1-3-quintillion/
02:31 punkman oh
02:32 punkman more lulz from twatter https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzjxrFYCMAAw-Kh.jpg
02:33 pete_dushenski punkman: ha! nice.
02:33 mircea_popescu has a point.
02:33 decimation lol mormon as a branch of methodist
02:34 mircea_popescu seems reasonable.
02:34 mircea_popescu where'd you put it ?
02:34 mircea_popescu it's definitely "colorful neoprotestant"
02:34 decimation I guess one could make an argument, given the *
02:35 pete_dushenski decimation: they both had found the teachings of one particular man to be worth branching off for
02:35 pete_dushenski i think i just mentioned that in a footnote recently...
02:36 pete_dushenski http://contravex.com/2014/10/02/thank-your-lucky-trolls/#footnote_3_1436
02:36 assbot Thank Your Lucky Trolls | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
02:36 pete_dushenski "Methodism is like Mormonism in that it follows the life and teachings of a recently living man. Methodism follows Britain John Wesley (1703–1791) and Mormonism follows American Joseph Smith (1805–1844). Maybe you can start a branch of Christianity too!"
02:36 pete_dushenski one right after the other.
02:37 pete_dushenski i guess i shoulda written "maybe you can start a branch of judaism too!"
02:38 mircea_popescu brit ?
02:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: if capsule floats a microphone near the thermocline (naturally, by a wire too thin to be lifted by) can 'pop' from 1000+km. << unless someone/thing tried to lift it prior
02:42 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BziOkTiCQAAUYdl.png
02:43 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: king of the britains?
02:43 mircea_popescu "follows Britain John Wesley " is broken
02:44 decimation modern Methodism has degenerated into becoming fairly indistinct from the "liberal religion"
02:46 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ya… it is.
02:46 mircea_popescu generally, the proposition that you'll "go to heaven" through a certain recipe is doomed to create monsters
02:48 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#comment-108628
02:48 assbot Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
02:48 mircea_popescu they're back
02:48 punkman dat title
02:49 pete_dushenski ;;google itulip
02:49 gribble iTulip.com - The Contrary Market View - For Independent Financial ...: <http://www.itulip.com/>; Forum Actions - iTulip.com: <http://www.itulip.com/forums/>; 2013 Review and 2014 Forecast - Part I: The Last Bubble - Eric ...: <http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php/26677-2013-Review-and-2014-Forecast-Part-I-The-Last-Bubble-Eric-Janszen>
02:51 mircea_popescu "iTulip.com Ad Policy As of March 31, 2006, you well see Goggle AdSense ads on iTulip.com."
02:52 decimation lol dogecoin volume has suddenly doubled on cryptsy the past few weeks
02:57 mircea_popescu shit assets don't simply die
02:58 mircea_popescu they go to the pink sheets, to live as one of a few well specified chumpatron models
03:05 punkman hah https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By_p21oCcAARuyp.jpg
03:06 mircea_popescu can you translate ?
03:07 punkman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_didn%27t_you_invest_in_Eastern_Poland%3F
03:07 assbot Why didn't you invest in Eastern Poland? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
03:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00074523 = 12.5199 BTC [+]
03:10 punkman ah somethingawful already did it http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2013/phriday/poland/zombieswithblenders_01.png http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/2013/phriday/poland/Entenzahn_01.png
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03:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28828 @ 0.00074523 = 21.4835 BTC [+]
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03:54 thickasthieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ityg2/warning_bitcoin_address_blacklists_have_been/cl5hng3
03:54 assbot naspo comments on WARNING: Bitcoin Address Blacklists have been forced into the Gentoo Linux bitcoind distribution by Luke-jr against the will of other core devs. Gentoo maintainers are clueless and not reversing the change. Boycott Gentoo now.
03:55 thickasthieves i know bingo mentioned it used luke's patches, but i didnt know the patches has blacklists
03:55 thickasthieves bliacklists...
04:05 bounce uh. yay, let's make bitcoin more like paypal and visa/mastercard, and arbitrarily shut out parties you don't like
04:07 RagnarDanneskjol speaking of: 01:00 <#bitcoin-dev> petertoddgwillen: haha, yeah they do - mircea popescu had me buy him SomethingAwful passes with my credit card a few times so he could troll there
04:17 mircea_popescu not like it actually does anything. bout as retarded as bayesian spam filtering.
04:17 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol it's in the logs.
04:18 RagnarDanneskjol ahh
04:25 thickasthieves i can appreciate luke-jr excercising his own voting/filtering rights though
04:25 thickasthieves patching it into defaults is pretty lame
04:27 bounce it's a curious discussion. he gets to patch the gentoo bitcoind because he's a core dev? why isn't that patch in mainline then?
04:30 assbot luke-jr +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
04:30 thickasthieves !up luke-jr
04:30 Luke-Jr it's not appropriate for mainline; I'd reject it myself
04:31 thickasthieves this turned into a whole fud in the trader chat, theyre all FINCEN WANTZ BLACKLISTSZ!
04:31 mircea_popescu gentoo decided they'll let bitcoin in there as a luke thing.
04:31 mircea_popescu hardly a reason to "boycott gentoo"
04:31 bounce so what makes it appropriate for gentoo?
04:31 mircea_popescu in fact, anyone with the werewithal to boycott as much as a donut stand can just as well patch out whatever.
04:31 thickasthieves i'm like dude, look at the list
04:32 Luke-Jr bounce: it's better than nothing, until we have a better spam filter implementation
04:32 bounce uhm. no.
04:32 Luke-Jr also, in Gentoo, it's optional
04:32 Luke-Jr because we can just apply the patch or not
04:32 bounce turns out it ended up as the default option, so that's one argument down the drain.
04:33 mircea_popescu as per usual, reddit makes a mess of things. they're like ten year olds, those people. "o did you hear sugar kills ? sure, it killed sam's dog!"
04:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00074256 = 33.7865 BTC [-] {2}
04:33 mircea_popescu cue memes of an antropomorphic sugar cube with chainsaw
04:33 Luke-Jr bounce: still an option
04:34 Luke-Jr it *should* be default, since it's better
04:34 thickasthieves ok how many people using the bitcoin wallet in gentoo would blindly use this default
04:34 thickasthieves 7?
04:34 Luke-Jr I don't have that exact number.
04:34 thickasthieves we'll say 7 then
04:34 bounce then that's still no argument. also you're not answering the question.
04:34 mircea_popescu it looks eerily accurate
04:35 Luke-Jr bounce: it's appropriate for everyone, just not every*thing*
04:35 thickasthieves uhh
04:35 thickasthieves which people are things?
04:35 Luke-Jr bounce: and we wouldn't want to *force* it on anyone
04:36 Luke-Jr thickasthieves: the reference code is a thing
04:36 bounce this makes no sense
04:36 thickasthieves the default in gentoo is a thing
04:38 mircea_popescu look, it's really simple. gentoo doesn't give a shit about bitcoin, it's yet another crackpot app as far as they're concerned. at some internal review it was determined it's much too buggy to be in main, and so it got put wherever they put retarded shit, and put someone in charge of it, in this case luke. the someone in charge is doing weird shit to it, as you'd expect of someone in charge of a buggy piece of shit not
04:38 mircea_popescu in main, whether it be luke or not.
04:38 mircea_popescu none of this is remarkable, but in fact functioning as intended.
04:39 Luke-Jr thickasthieves: the default in gentoo is for highly technical users to judge; the reference code is for developers to read
04:39 thickasthieves basically, it's his domain until it isnt
04:39 bounce well, at least someone thought up a nice logo for bitcoind-ljr.
04:39 mircea_popescu if you're the sort of gentoo/linux/foss user that downloads and runs buggy pieces of shit, you're expected to either a) be conversant in code and fix em or else b) not run production.
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04:56 thickasthieves http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-09/did-todays-satan-signal-sp-futures-give-all-clear-selling-begin
04:59 mircea_popescu orly ?
05:01 mircea_popescu lmao. dude... anyone can do that. including the derp writing the report.
05:02 thickasthieves ;;estimate
05:02 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 32873538172.4 based on data since last change | 34777196895.2 based on data for last three days
05:06 mircea_popescu btw BingoBoingo http://www.majesticseo.com/charts/backlinks-discovery-chart/qntra.com?w=677&h=200&IndexDataSource=F
05:07 mircea_popescu http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/bd5b619c6a586ec6d7078a5480ab241f73d58310f672d53d573aa45bb850c818-1G3pUAfJhsdZU8MYYnHxD1gW1bYpoRaDL3.txt
05:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28697 @ 0.0007432 = 21.3276 BTC [+] {2}
05:07 mircea_popescu so it turns out deedbot got haxed.
05:07 mircea_popescu ;;rated molokodesk
05:07 gribble You rated user molokodesk on Tue Sep 30 07:54:20 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again..
05:07 mircea_popescu ;;rate molokodesk -1 meh.
05:07 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user molokodesk has changed from 2 to -1.
05:08 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's the .com, the parking lot control company
05:09 mircea_popescu a right you are. http://www.majesticseo.com/charts/backlinks-discovery-chart/qntra.net?w=677&h=200&IndexDataSource=F << looks much better
05:10 mircea_popescu !up gud
05:10 mircea_popescu !up gustaf
05:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00074421 = 17.6378 BTC [+]
05:15 mircea_popescu !up disident
05:15 disident hi huys
05:15 RagnarDanneskjol hiya dis
05:16 BingoBoingo ;;later tell thestringpuller New high, 924 views over 459 persons per Wordpress stats
05:16 gribble The operation succeeded.
05:18 Apocalyptic %d
05:18 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 315045.65 in 353 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.23
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05:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56214 @ 0.0007468 = 41.9806 BTC [+] {4}
05:42 mircea_popescu wp stats are junk rly
05:45 BingoBoingo Yeah, but until the quantcast is fed...
05:49 BingoBoingo I'll be back in a few hours
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06:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15671 @ 0.00074875 = 11.7337 BTC [+]
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07:11 thickasthieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2iuf4s/lukejrs_public_apology_for_poor_gentoo_packaging/
07:11 assbot Luke-Jr's public apology for poor Gentoo packaging default : Bitcoin
07:11 thickasthieves ta-da!
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07:42 bounce well, that's something. IMO a blacklist on actors in the system is still entirely the wrong thing to even have. if you want to filter "abusive" txes you'd have to have some objective measure and preferrably a deterministic detection algorithm of abusiveness.
07:43 thickasthieves http://www.coindesk.com/digital-asset-liquidity-exchange-melotic-closes-1-175-million-seed-round/ "curated digital assets"
07:43 assbot Digital Asset Liquidity Provider Melotic Closes $1.175 Million Seed Round
07:44 RagnarDanneskjol oh lord
07:45 bounce why does one need a million to start an exchange?
07:45 thickasthieves cuz you want your devs to stay for more than 10min?
07:46 thickasthieves $1m aint much for an exchange
07:46 thickasthieves it's a lot for a Bitfunder, sure
07:47 RagnarDanneskjol but its Curated!
07:56 thickasthieves curated is like saying they take responsibility for 3rd part listings, but not
07:56 thickasthieves party*
07:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13479 @ 0.00074436 = 10.0332 BTC [-]
07:57 RagnarDanneskjol ha
08:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35324 @ 0.00074432 = 26.2924 BTC [-] {2}
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08:40 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> so it turns out deedbot got haxed. < O_o
08:42 RagnarDanneskjol yea good times. punkman says he's making progress on a pyth version
08:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5640 @ 0.00074116 = 4.1801 BTC [-]
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09:24 * xanthyos
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09:39 Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $80 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1052/ Odds: 76(Y):24(N) by coin, 74(Y):26(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.05 BTC. Current weight: 66,414.
09:40 asciilifeform re: gentoo & ljr: i'd like to suggest a new patch to the latest bitcoind. if the day of the month is odd, format hdd.
09:41 asciilifeform when read the news, had the idea that ljr was trying to accomplish something like the above.
09:41 asciilifeform (put a bullet through a long-overdue zombie)
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10:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40614 @ 0.00074025 = 30.0645 BTC [-] {5}
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10:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38050 @ 0.00074172 = 28.2224 BTC [+]
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10:49 wywialm hi all
11:03 mike_c I feel a little dirty. I'm getting more traffic from google now because I have a page for every bitbet. oops.
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11:28 kakobrekla gah mike same here!
11:35 thickasthieves you can always be together at least
11:41 mike_c if we were cool enough it would just be one infintiely scrolling page.
11:44 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> so it turns out deedbot got haxed. << deets?
11:56 thickasthieves market's bleedin
11:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00074442 = 19.1316 BTC [+]
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.71397168 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 236 satoshi per share
12:00 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
12:00 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 354.97, Best ask: 355.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 354.97, 24 hour volume: 35089.03268405, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 390.0, 24 hour vwap: 369.022564073
12:00 mike_c he meant the play exchanges (nasdaq)
12:01 thickasthieves meant wall st, btc will probly rebound soon
12:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11149742 BTC to 15`474 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
12:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 130 @ 0.01391002 = 1.8083 BTC [-]
12:11 ben_vulpes i'm trying the taleb approach to noise reduction
12:11 thickasthieves ;;estimate
12:11 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 38036136893.6 based on data since last change | 34836558052.4 based on data for last three days
12:11 thickasthieves youre gonna tweet out of phase noise all day?
12:12 ben_vulpes haw
12:12 ben_vulpes no, i'm just trying to not watch the markets.
12:12 ben_vulpes "don't denominate the btc in usd, and vice versa"
12:12 thickasthieves pretty thick nerdy joke though, tyvm
12:13 ben_vulpes ya i was surprised ;)
12:13 thickasthieves insultplement
12:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24495 @ 0.00074172 = 18.1684 BTC [-]
12:15 * ben_vulpes rolls eyes
12:16 thickasthieves ;;8ball will btc ever see $350 again?
12:16 gribble The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
12:16 thickasthieves pro ta
12:19 asciilifeform afaik nobody actually cares how many pictures of ben franklin one can get for 1 btc. but if 1 btc buys, say, computer, or tractor, or half a year of food, etc.
12:22 thickasthieves the curve would drop off at a point, right?
12:23 thickasthieves i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world
12:25 thestringpuller what is this luke-jr thing going on?
12:26 thickasthieves the logs sum it up
12:31 thestringpuller flipping back
12:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00074122 = 10.6736 BTC [-] {2}
12:39 thestringpuller ah not so bad.
12:40 thestringpuller glad it was caught tho
12:42 penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/10/10/guide-to-setting-up-a-remote-bitcoin-node-for-20-per-year/
12:43 pete_dushenski so i riffed off pankkake's node tutorial and inserted a few more instructions
12:44 pete_dushenski i also managed to sort out the errors i was encountering in debian.
12:44 pete_dushenski such skillz!
12:44 thestringpuller https://i.imgur.com/ZnxT1kG.jpg
12:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32872 @ 0.00073946 = 24.3075 BTC [-] {2}
12:44 pete_dushenski there are now less than 7000 active nodes :(
12:45 The20YearIRCloud What's luke-jr do?
12:45 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: so it turns out deedbot got haxed. << preventing this was only $1200/mo indefinitely ;)
12:45 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski not even, different pentester.
12:45 pete_dushenski o hm.
12:45 Apocalyptic <pete_dushenski> there are now less than 7000 active nodes :( // I don't know where you're getting your data from, but if it's solely based on https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ it's wrong
12:45 assbot Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes
12:46 asciilifeform so back to telegraph ?
12:46 Apocalyptic as these only publish publicly reachable nodes
12:46 asciilifeform go hax telegraph.
12:46 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you really should know better than taking bitcoin "foundation" shit at face value yo.
12:46 pete_dushenski Apocalyptic: aic
12:47 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: how did i do that?
12:47 * asciilifeform read the published script, sees nothing to verify installation of particular known-hygienic classical ver. of bitcoind
12:47 mircea_popescu https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/static/img/bitcoin-foundation.png
12:48 mircea_popescu right under "this project is powered by"
12:48 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: this i know! any suggestions for how to remedy this??
12:48 mircea_popescu nothing good short of running some decent nodes
12:49 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: and where might i find the scripts for this?
12:49 mircea_popescu for running a node you mean ?
12:49 pete_dushenski 0.9.3 is obviously dirt but how would one go about installing 0.6.x on a vps?
12:49 pete_dushenski ya
12:50 mircea_popescu well you get the code off the repository and compile it
12:50 mircea_popescu or if you trust anyone, you get a binary from them
12:50 pete_dushenski the instructions in my "guide" definitely need improvement. currently point people towards latest bitcoind
12:50 pete_dushenski as per pankkake's script
12:50 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: right.
12:51 mircea_popescu generally the people involved in bitcoin to this level kinda have the history, and a complete file of historical versions and so on.
12:51 mircea_popescu i guess it's an interesting question, "what's the new guy to do". bunch of playing catchup it seems
12:51 thestringpuller how did deedbot get hacked?
12:51 asciilifeform n00b, as in any serious business, must apprentice to another.
12:52 * pete_dushenski now accepting offers for binary of bitcoind 0.6.x for contravex guide.
12:52 asciilifeform or make good friends with the nuts and bolts alone, for ages.
12:53 mircea_popescu but actually his is a legitimate request. i guess im adding this to the "wanted maintainer for eulora binaries" thing : wanted maintainer for bitcoin binaries.
12:53 mircea_popescu anyone want to do a bunch of compiling and sign stuff ?
12:53 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ketchup is fine. just have to have a little direction :)
12:54 pete_dushenski danielpbarron or maybe bingoboingo?
12:54 asciilifeform did somebody once put up a bounty for ms-dos build of bitcoind ('slip/ppp' over rs232 for netpipe, presumably) ? or did i dream this
12:55 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pankkake hey listen, how much would you want to compile and sign a bunch of code ? specifically eulora codebase and proper bitcoind (.6-.7 versions) ? gentoo and whatever else you can stomach.
12:55 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if they did i don't recall it
12:55 asciilifeform must have been dream.
12:56 mircea_popescu tbh the msdos stack bug carnival + bitcoin bug carnival would be one sad hell.
12:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.75950926 BTC to 29`438 shares, 5977 satoshi per share
12:59 pete_dushenski following footnote added to "the node guide": Disclaimer! This Guide sets up the latest version of bitcoind, which is obviously a piece of fucking Bitcoin Fundation shit on a stick. This Guide will be updated with instructions on setting up bitcoind 0.6-0.7 asap.
13:02 bounce dos can talk ethernet, see "crynwr" packet drivers for one.
13:02 mircea_popescu bounce does it talk internet well tho ?
13:04 thestringpuller ;;seen nubbins`
13:04 gribble nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 0 hours, 12 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <nubbins`> ;o
13:05 bounce noooo, not really. it's dos.
13:07 mircea_popescu kinda my point. bitcoind makes a bunch of assumptions about what it can do to the internet
13:07 asciilifeform dos can talk ethernet << you want something as hardware nonspecific as possible.
13:07 asciilifeform hence rs232.
13:07 mircea_popescu wasn't exactly "designed from the ground up with portability in mind"
13:07 thestringpuller bitcoin is rather portable tho
13:07 thestringpuller as opposed to say a video game...
13:08 mircea_popescu a qt based video game ? no.
13:08 asciilifeform if seriously considering this, note that you will need a number of nontrivial bolt-ons - ability to mount >2gb file system, for one thing
13:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what sonny, you're too good for volume swaps ?
13:08 mircea_popescu INSERT NEXT DISK AND PRESS OK
13:08 asciilifeform (easiest solution: forget file system in the 1st place, just use raw block device. and then you don't even need msdos for anything.)
13:10 mircea_popescu you do, yes, inasmuch as afaik it's compiled on 16 bit with a bunch of strange as what's maxint. won't even be able to reference half the arrays becayse they smash various stacks
13:10 asciilifeform communicate with net through slip, via one serial line; accept commands & return output through another; deal with key material through a third.
13:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who said anything about 16bit. dos4gw!
13:11 mircea_popescu well if that's how you're going to go about it, how about running deathtrack in an emulator while linux handles bitcoin and call it a msdos bitcoind ?
13:11 mircea_popescu but dos4gw is NOT ms-dos is it.
13:11 asciilifeform lol
13:11 asciilifeform hence idea, just dispense with the msdos
13:11 asciilifeform and run on metal.
13:11 mircea_popescu "my solution for fixing this guy's liver is to dispense with the guy"
13:12 asciilifeform they shoot horses don't they (tm)
13:12 mircea_popescu "the liver is fine, it's all that other shit sround it"
13:13 bounce "something as hardware nonspecific as possible" meaning the shittiest and slowest option you can think of is a bit of a non-argument really.
13:13 asciilifeform obligatory:
13:13 asciilifeform http://www.returninfinity.com/pure64.html
13:13 assbot Return Infinity - Pure64
13:13 mircea_popescu bounce i think stan's a bit of a masochist rly.
13:14 asciilifeform (i have my own very similar widget, that i've used for 'number crunching' tasks where an os just wastes cycles)
13:14 bounce you'd need a tcp/ip stack linked to your program meaning that as soon as it quits the box is off the 'net, but whatever it's configured to use it'll use.
13:15 asciilifeform people act as if tcp/ip were a moon rocket
13:15 asciilifeform that no one man could ever hope to repeat with own hands.
13:15 mircea_popescu but it is. and you can repeat with own hands, as a model
13:15 mircea_popescu not as an actual moon rocket.
13:16 bounce oh, you can implement a tcp/ip stack, apparently not too much work. making it work well, especially tcp, is going to be a bit more work though.
13:16 mircea_popescu making it take off and become what EVERYONE uses is going to be a lot more work than that.
13:16 bounce no idea how many man-hours or how it compares to, say, implementing a new compiler for some nicely convoluted language.
13:16 mircea_popescu lisp never managed, for instance. neither did python. etc.
13:16 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, a shame the website thought it would be a good idea to use javascript popups as links
13:16 asciilifeform lol i never see popups
13:17 Apocalyptic neither do I
13:17 Apocalyptic I just see links like "javascript:popCentered('pure64-manual.html',%20'900',%20'450',%20'manual');" and makes me sad
13:17 mircea_popescu bounce not nearly as hard as a compiler, if you mean a tight optimizing compiler. otherwise, rms has been writing compilers in a day and a half on emacs.
13:17 asciilifeform for all i know, it formats your hdd if you're running win98
13:17 mircea_popescu they suck, but hey.
13:17 asciilifeform or the like.
13:18 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic the notion of javascript:pop makes me sad.
13:18 mircea_popescu did they implement javascript:sendushatemail(); ?
13:19 asciilifeform anyway the link is because that fellow's site is the only place where you find everything you need to initialize an x86-64 all in one place.
13:19 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol i read "send-dush-hate-mail"
13:20 mircea_popescu ate mail lol
13:20 asciilifeform last version i read, disk i/o was implemented via 'pio' vs dma, so not optimal. but ought to suffice for just about any practical use.
13:20 pete_dushenski with cheez.
13:20 asciilifeform 'send u shate mail'
13:21 asciilifeform ('shate' - past tense of 'shit' in world where shitting and eating are closely linked semantically more so than for us? as in 'ate')
13:22 mircea_popescu in english it's actually shit shat shat
13:22 asciilifeform aye
13:22 asciilifeform english loses.
13:22 mircea_popescu eat ate ate is reasonably related.
13:24 pete_dushenski http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/09/we_have_more_to_learn_says_scientist_antarctic_sea_ice_at_all_time_record/
13:24 assbot Antarctic ice at ALL TIME RECORD HIGH: We have more to learn, says boffin The Register
13:24 pete_dushenski those poor, cute penguins!
13:26 The20YearIRCloud RentalStarter dividend announced - 0.00003100 per share
13:27 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski oh, that's how you say "we fucked up royally and lost any possible shred of crediblity" in government-scientistalese now ? "we have more to learn" ?
13:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: traditionally it's 'more studies needed'
13:27 mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is why it's unwise for people aspiring to science to get involved in politics.
13:27 asciilifeform (in usa)
13:27 mircea_popescu if you support policy with your "findings" you ruin your career once those findings turn out to be not truth, but mere science.
13:28 mircea_popescu because no, no study produced by ANY PERSON who ever produced a "global warming" piece of "research" can ever be used for any scientific purpose whatsoever.
13:28 mircea_popescu they're dead, for that profession.
13:28 bounce more of a problem with politics' unhealthy relationship with science-as-convenient-truth than a problem in science. though science has its share of problems.
13:29 mircea_popescu bounce not a problem of science, of course, but a problem of scientists, actual and aspiring.
13:29 asciilifeform if only it were just that one field, that was lysenkoized.
13:29 mircea_popescu for instance, about 98% of english speaking people involved in earth studies just rendered themselves
13:29 asciilifeform !up devthedev
13:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform matters not. the lord doesn't aim to kill sin, merely as many sinners as can get hands on.
13:30 devthedev You're right mircea_popescu
13:30 mircea_popescu why ty.
13:31 mircea_popescu !up disident
13:31 mircea_popescu get in the wot will you.
13:32 asciilifeform http://www.vaikan.com/man-vs-machine << mega-lol. chicom lifted the ancient turd.
13:32 assbot | IT
13:34 pete_dushenski http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2014/10/09/we_have_more_to_learn_says_scientist_antarctic_sea_ice_at_all_time_record/#c_2323490
13:34 assbot Antarctic ice at ALL TIME RECORD HIGH: We have more to learn, says boffin The Register Forums
13:34 pete_dushenski "The Earth hasn't warmed for > 18 years and counting. CO2 meanwhile continues to increase. Ergo. No connection between CO2 and global temperature. CAGW is false."
13:35 devthedev Yeah, I'm not pro climate change
13:35 mircea_popescu am i the only one who is amused by the strict similarity between the "o we know how climate works ; listen to us to fix what's broken with earth's industry" of these muppets and the "o, we know how hardware will work in the future ; listen ot us to fix what's broken with bitcoin" of the BF sponsored muppets ?
13:35 thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/2ismvu/a_moment_of_silence_please/cl5cedf
13:35 assbot truthermn2 comments on A moment of silence please...
13:35 mircea_popescu it seems the exact same sort of entirely broken, pseudoscientific, narcissistic gung-ho idiocy
13:36 bounce the google translation contains a typical english grammar error (it's instead of its). how chinesely interesting.
13:37 mike_c ;;seen diana_coman
13:37 gribble diana_coman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <diana_coman> I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
13:37 devthedev Bitcoin.org - Website contains prohibited File Sharing content.
13:37 mircea_popescu lolwut ?!
13:38 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: it's exactly that parallel: both teams of tards belong to a religion sans eglise
13:38 mircea_popescu then zeke is all "o, not possible to be stooges". duh. what else are they ?
13:38 devthedev mircea_popescu: It's on the school's blacklist.
13:38 mircea_popescu convenient idiots ? tyvm, it's exactly anderpopolous' line. "i'm not really shilling, i'm just stupid. buy my shit!"
13:39 thestringpuller I can't write software so I wrote a book!
13:39 asciilifeform as i understand, a genuine 'useful idiot' by definition has to act unwittingly
13:39 Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, like Karpeles and the like
13:39 asciilifeform otherwise he's just 'useful' (while possibly also, 'idiot')
13:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's such bs. you know how the soviets worked, right ? all the scum reporting to the nkvd "had to", right ?
13:40 mircea_popescu they weren't really aware what it is they're doing, right ?
13:40 asciilifeform lol
13:40 asciilifeform those aren't 'useful idiots' thought
13:40 mircea_popescu half of leningrad died in one night because a bunch of people "weren't really doing" what they were doing.
13:40 asciilifeform those are 'useful'
13:40 mircea_popescu laissez svp.
13:41 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2014#581041
13:41 assbot Logged on 25-03-2014 20:41:17; asciilifeform: Officially, all Soviet representatives regard these parasites with touching feelings of friendship, but privately they call them 'shit-eaters' ('govnoed'). It is difficult to say where this expression originated, but it is truly the only name they deserve. The use of this word has become so firmly entrenched in Soviet embassies that it is impossible to imagine any other name for these people. A conver
13:41 mircea_popescu the female ability to reclassify rape as consensual and consensual as rape and to negotiate her own presence in the circumstances of her being does exactly jack shit for any discussion of reality.
13:42 mircea_popescu which is why business has the concept of "knew or should have known". cuz it makes exactly no difference whether he "actually" knew.
13:42 asciilifeform for purposes of chumpatronic engineering, it does indeed matter whether the chump needs a leash, coaxing, or mere suggestion to jump into the hopper.
13:42 mircea_popescu these aren't distinguishable in the field. the nominal distinction follows mood or at best tradition.
13:42 mircea_popescu objective difference there isn't.
13:43 asciilifeform makes a difference what part of his hindbrain you pwned to get him to walk the plank
13:43 asciilifeform e.g., lust, sloth, avarice
13:44 pete_dushenski https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases << 0.6-0.7 zip and tar files are here, just unsure how to modify pankkake's node.sh script with them…
13:44 assbot Releases bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
13:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform these are also not pure categories in nature. their distinction follows tradition
13:44 asciilifeform sure.
13:44 asciilifeform but engineer must live with brute abstractions at times.
13:45 mircea_popescu no argument, but let's not forget they aren't in the world.
13:45 asciilifeform 'map is not territory, but the territory does not fit in your glove compartment.'
13:45 mircea_popescu quite.
13:47 thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2iud0a/bitcoin_history_the_bearwhale_of_2012/
13:47 assbot Bitcoin history: The BearWhale of 2012 : Bitcoin
13:48 asciilifeform !s bot rape
13:48 assbot 7 results for 'bot rape' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bot+rape
13:48 asciilifeform ^ obligatory
13:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00074021 = 5.5886 BTC [+]
13:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15914 @ 0.00073941 = 11.767 BTC [-] {2}
13:53 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/10/ebola-and-five-stages-of-collapse.html << phun
13:53 assbot ClubOrlov: Ebola and the Five Stages of Collapse
13:54 mircea_popescu the problem with drinking the coolaid and starting to perceive yourself as "of a field" is that you end up with this obligatory slag.
13:55 mircea_popescu "o, x is in the news , i gotta write about it then1"
13:55 mircea_popescu soon enough all the forced writing kills your spark and then you're dead.
13:56 thestringpuller ;;calc 2000000 / 11
13:56 gribble 181818.181818
13:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00073931 = 18.4828 BTC [-] {4}
13:57 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: yup, no spark, no life.
13:58 pete_dushenski and with that, ima check y'all later!
13:58 mircea_popescu it's one thing doing news pieces because that's the news. but people writing blogs aren't doing newspieces, they're doing editorial, and the news burnout is a century old, well known and documented mode of failure for editors.
13:59 bounce feeding random bits to that vaikan thingy makes me lose 2:1. seems that giving the thing a pass option gives it an unfair advantage.
13:59 thestringpuller ;;ticker
13:59 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 356.03, Best ask: 357.19, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 356.03, 24 hour volume: 31630.34152670, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 380.94, 24 hour vwap: 364.911597788
14:00 * asciilifeform never met an apocalyptic hypothetical megadeath that herr orlov doesn't love.
14:03 thickasthieves https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/520555627715002368
14:03 assbot Important step towards separating our bitcoin biz from /SecondMarket. The name.Introducing...Digital Currency Group http://t.co/s4Hld235bP
14:04 thickasthieves "Invest. Build. Grow."
14:04 thickasthieves Digital Currency Group
14:05 mike_c the name is hardly enough barry. where's the logo?
14:07 bounce anthropomorphic sugarcubes! with chainsaws!
14:07 bounce oh wait, that's for something else. n'mind.
14:10 thickasthieves http://www.trademarkia.com/digital-currency-group-86316071.html he went with mpex style logo
14:10 assbot DIGITAL CURRENCY GROUP - Reviews & Brand Information - SECONDMARKET HOLDINGS, INC. New York, NY - Serial Number: 86316071
14:12 mircea_popescu lmao
14:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: (put a bullet through a long-overdue zombie) << zombie being what, people running gentoo through an emulator on windows ?
14:16 mircea_popescu !up princessnell
14:16 mircea_popescu heh wrong one
14:16 mircea_popescu !up princessnell_
14:17 princessnell_ ty
14:17 princessnell_ i have a transcript of the andreas testimony
14:17 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so it turns out deedbot got haxed. << deets? << someone put a random deed up there, i linked it above the comment.
14:17 mircea_popescu princessnell_ the one he published or the one he acutally gave ?
14:18 princessnell_ the whole thing: his opening statements and Q&A
14:18 mircea_popescu cool. summarize, comment and submit.
14:18 mircea_popescu add the full minutes as an add-on file to be linked from your article for the perennially curious
14:18 mike_c i linked it above the comment. << that link 404'd for me.
14:20 mircea_popescu mike_c well i guess it got deleted meanwhile. it just said "owned like a pony" or something
14:21 mircea_popescu thickasthieves: i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world <<< this is actually one of the largest, most interesting questions in bitcoin finance.
14:21 mircea_popescu it doesn't have a good answer. on one hand, fiat currency can never meet the total asset value, for very well understood reasons.
14:21 mircea_popescu superficially, if one thinks btc is a drop-in replacement for fiat (which it isn't, just like car isn't exactly a drop in replacement for tricycle) one'd expect the same to hold
14:22 mircea_popescu however, because bitcoin will be hoarded in general and transacted rarely, it is quite possible for there to appear a new macroeconomics equation :
14:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60598 @ 0.00073906 = 44.7856 BTC [-] {2}
14:22 mircea_popescu (hoarded btc) + traded btc = traded property + (hoarded property)
14:22 mircea_popescu this is perhaps going to be the one thing economists of the future will be trying to keep in balance.
14:23 BingoBoingo http://deadspin.com/mma-fighter-live-tweets-police-standoff-while-holed-up-1644489745
14:23 assbot MMA Fighter Live-Tweets Police Standoff While Holed Up In House
14:24 mircea_popescu ;;later tell wywialm there's one for you : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867881
14:24 assbot Logged on 10-10-2014 18:21:00; mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world <<< this is actually one of the largest, most interesting questions in bitcoin finance.
14:24 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:26 bounce ``Patrick Murck of the Bitcoin Foundation stated that "the people that do this stuff should burn in hell" and they are working to stop Bitcoin from being used for illicit activity.'' -- clowns be clownin'
14:26 mircea_popescu lol what's he going to say.
14:26 mircea_popescu "fuck you and get used to making the laws you can enforce as opposed to making the laws your delusions require" ?
14:27 mircea_popescu not his line.
14:27 bounce "not condone" yadda yadda would've been plenty
14:27 mircea_popescu amusingly, bitcoin is working fro mstopping murck &co's illicit activities.
14:28 mircea_popescu not particularly curious as to how that confrontation's gonna end out. seen too many tards try to spit up.
14:29 bounce oh it's not really a surprise, but his is supposedly a PR club, not a policing club. not smart to get mired in that swamp.
14:29 mircea_popescu since when did the us agents do the smart thing ?
14:30 mircea_popescu they've already won the war on drugs, the war on poverty and the war on terrorism.
14:30 mircea_popescu fourth's a charm.
14:30 bounce oh yes ticker tape parades any day now
14:30 mircea_popescu o which reminds me, did the doom zerohedge announced as a given manifest in the fx markets yet ?
14:31 mircea_popescu that site's so funny, it's been declaring the world ends tomorrow so convincingly and for so long by now its only audience are people who actually factually believe the world ends tomorrow, each and every day. so there's this palpable atmosphere of
14:31 mircea_popescu "nigga please, the world ? it's so ended already!"
14:34 mats_cd03 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17490282/why-is-this-commit-that-sets-the-rsa-public-exponent-to-1-problematic
14:34 assbot security - Why is this commit that sets the RSA public exponent to 1 problematic? - Stack Overflow
14:35 mats_cd03 interesting to me, since i know about zero things re: rsa.
14:39 bounce it's been ages but an exponent of one isn't a great idea, no. they shipped with that? oops. (could see it as another reason why you don't implement crypto yourself; you use a well-vetted library, as in written by cryptographers and then read by other cryptographers)
14:40 mircea_popescu bounce except this would meet the definition of "well vetted" as commonly deployed.
14:40 mircea_popescu you are in fact better off using homebrew than "well vetted", inasmuch as the western world is in denial about exactly what "well vetted" means as well as what "working towards stopping use for illicit activity" means
14:41 thestringpuller remember that point you brought up about someone reading a newspaper article about a field they are well versed in. That person says, "Wow holes everywhere" etc. Then he moves to article from field he is less familiar with and just agrees with it?
14:41 thestringpuller I think this was you mircea_popescu no?
14:41 mircea_popescu so no, i'd trust anything nist/ieee/etc certified a lot less than i'd trust random shit.
14:41 mats_cd03 its all relative, i suppose.
14:41 mircea_popescu thestringpuller possibly i brought it up here, but otherwise it's old scool.
14:42 thestringpuller so if this is the case how is the n00b to even decide?
14:42 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 you know how if you install wordpress you're supposed to change the pre-generated salt to something ?
14:42 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/second-market-spins-off-digital-currency-group/
14:42 mircea_popescu in cryptography, every constant's a salt. you're well advised to change ALL constants
14:42 mats_cd03 i don't know anything about the web
14:42 mircea_popescu if the code stops working you shouldn't have been using it in the first place
14:42 mircea_popescu mp best practices of crypto, volume I (r)
14:44 mats_cd03 i think i might see schneier again sometime in the near future
14:44 mats_cd03 have any questions you want answered?
14:44 mircea_popescu what/how much they paid him, but he won't answer that one.
14:44 mats_cd03 besides, you know, 'whats your handler's name'
14:44 mats_cd03 oh, you beat me to it.
14:44 rithm what's the meaning of life other than 42?
14:44 mircea_popescu his handler's name is not as hard to infer.
14:45 mircea_popescu there's not that many handlers, they drive cars, they have wives, it's a solved problem.
14:45 thestringpuller in the future we will have nanomachines that prevent us from physically disclosing our handler. that will be a scary time.
14:47 bounce uhm. looks like I forgot to take notes last time I had beef with some of what he was saying and forgot to keep up in the meantime. oh well.
14:47 chetty <thestringpuller> in the future we will have nanomachines that prevent us from physically disclosing our handler. that will be a scary time.//pls tell me at least a day ahead of this
14:48 mircea_popescu bounce this is why keeping a blog is so important
14:48 mircea_popescu i'd lose 90% of my shit if i didn't write it down
14:48 bounce oh I have my notes, just didn't jot that one down
14:52 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: like that time the eulora gameplay post was almsot lost forever?
14:52 thestringpuller ;)
14:52 mircea_popescu yeah srsly.
14:56 mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/matoma-official/eminem-business-matoma-remix
14:56 assbot SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
15:04 mats_cd03 from an old issue, titled 'once upon a free()' http://phrack.org/issues/57/9.html
15:04 assbot .:: Phrack Magazine ::.
15:18 BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski You know there's another guide. Paid for rather than wrote this one. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/02/building-bitcoin-0-7-2-on-openbsd/
15:18 assbot Building Bitcoin 0.7.2 on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog
15:18 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:20 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/10/poor-punctuation-leads-to-windows-shell-vulnerability/
15:20 assbot Poor punctuation leads to Windows shell vulnerability | Ars Technica
15:29 bounce those wily belgians trying to make a name for themselves in time-honoured fashion: "sound scary? read on!"
15:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.0007402 = 9.2525 BTC [+]
15:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17064 @ 0.00074021 = 12.6309 BTC [+]
15:34 rithm oh yeah i read about ^ earlier
15:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0007402 = 12.5094 BTC [-]
15:51 BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/10/hospitalist-2/
15:51 assbot Hospitalist Abusing Copy and Paste...In Paper Charts - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
15:53 BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/10/pet-therapy/ << “Adults are bigger and furrier than kids, so it was simple,” explained Westchester Medical Center CEO James Piccadilly. “Bears are bigger and furrier than dogs.”
15:53 assbot Hospital Pilots Pet Therapy with Black Bears, Grizzlies - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
15:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.0007402 = 4.9964 BTC [-]
15:59 devthedev Digital Currency Group, interesting.
16:00 mike_c it's like secondmarket, but different.
16:00 mats_cd03 https://casetext.com/case/kennar-v-kelly-2 << heh. sued the IRS for RICO violations
16:01 mats_cd03 quite clever IMO, but no dice. sovereign immunity.
~ 30 minutes ~
16:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30820 @ 0.00074209 = 22.8712 BTC [+] {2}
16:35 The20YearIRCloud Well, we closed on property #10 today
16:36 The20YearIRCloud Once we're at 100% occupancy we'll be almost right at $10k/mo in revenues
16:36 mike_c decent profit margins?
16:37 kakobrekla great dividend roi
16:37 kakobrekla !t h rent
16:37 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00458100 / 0.00472061 / 0.00489499 (9 shares, 0.04248546 BTC), 7D: 0.00400000 / 0.00424006 / 0.00529752 (1978 shares, 8.38684071 BTC), 30D: 0.00383331 / 0.00644294 / 0.00750000 (13985 shares, 90.10447998 BTC)
16:37 kakobrekla seems to be stuck to 0.45 no matter what btc or you do or is it just me
16:38 kakobrekla 0.0045 even
16:38 The20YearIRCloud 70% mike_c
16:39 The20YearIRCloud Although that's gonna go down as we lever, but as of property #10, our costs are a little under 30% of revenues
16:39 kakobrekla (im just thinking re your idea of being a hedge)
16:39 mike_c kakobrekla: yeah for last 5 months.
16:39 The20YearIRCloud kakobrekla: you're right, and i've been buying about as much as I can
16:39 The20YearIRCloud The property I just got is a smoking deal. $30k purchase, about $2k in rehab if that, will bring in $1050/mo rented with about $300/mo in costs (Taxes, insurance, repairs)
16:40 kakobrekla id call fire department on smoking property
16:40 kakobrekla quick
16:41 The20YearIRCloud lol
16:48 cazalla ;;later tell princessnell just missed you, was sleeping
16:48 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:50 devthedev Good evening everyone
16:51 cazalla morning
16:52 devthedev Hey cazalla
17:01 * danielpbarron used BingoBoingo's instructions to compile bitcoind 0.7.2 on OpenBSD 5.5
17:02 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Well the ones I asked some Indian kid to do for money and then diginork beat him to the prize when he no-show'd
17:05 danielpbarron i have instructions on compiling ssss-0.5 on OpenBSD 5.5 if anyone is interested
17:08 bounce submit it as a port?
17:09 danielpbarron ;;rated gilgameshugga
17:09 gribble You rated user gilgameshugga on Sat Jul 19 13:35:03 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: figured out how to compile ssss-0.5 on openBSD5.5 for a 0.1 BTC bounty http://danielpbarron.com/ssss/openBSD5.5.asc.txt.
17:12 mircea_popescu ;;later tell princessnell cazalla !
17:12 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:12 cazalla she sent an email so it's all good
17:12 mircea_popescu a cool
17:15 mircea_popescu <mats_cd03> quite clever IMO, but no dice. sovereign immunity. << exactly.
17:17 mircea_popescu now if only someone made a site that wasn';t a retarded ball of javascript
17:17 mircea_popescu what is with these people, seriously.
17:17 kakobrekla who?
17:18 mircea_popescu google has this "document" format that's basically just a bunch of spurious javascript
17:18 mircea_popescu then everyone copied it. casetext.com in this exampole
17:19 mircea_popescu but there's a bunch of them. the retarded crowd that does videos instead of articles tends to send links to them instead of plain text.
17:21 bounce "REST" is all the rage these days, and is obviously a fine and good excuse to push off all the processing into the client (and thereby reinventing just about everything, badly), instead of, oh, having the server process all that or just serving up the content right away.
17:21 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/liberty-reserve-founder-arthur-budovsk-extradited/
17:22 mircea_popescu fuck them with a used toilet brush
17:23 mircea_popescu and fuck whoever came up with the soap-rest false dichotomy, too.
17:23 bounce ah, of course it's extra-doubly-criminal if you are a /former/ american doing all that outside of the US
17:24 mircea_popescu huh ?
17:25 bounce ``The founder of Liberty Reserve, a virtual currency used by cybercriminals around the world to launder proceeds of their illegal activity, was extradited from Spain and arrived in the United States this afternoon.'' -- so, uhm, why aren't they even investigating the current owners and propagators of that much more widely currency used by criminals, "cyber" and otherwise, world-wide?
17:25 mircea_popescu because this guy passed his things off as dollars
17:26 mircea_popescu something anyone with any sense could have told him will never float unless he also has an army.
17:26 bounce did he? oh dear.
17:26 mircea_popescu yeah, he did
17:26 mircea_popescu and it was pretty derpy/insane to boot. i mean literally, going by shops, telling random people that hey, this is as much a dollar as that.
17:27 BingoBoingo As far as I understand it Liberty Reserve was basically just Dollar Hawala, except derpier
17:28 mircea_popescu well no, it was Bollar, like Bucci
17:28 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/andreas-antonopolous-testifies-before-canadian-senate-committee/
17:29 mircea_popescu cazalla dude this chick can write. let it not be said all qntra articles are short ever again lol
17:29 cazalla i know eh
17:29 bounce though even if he'd shouted high and low it was something else entirely that just happened to carry the exact same unit value as a us dollar they'd still hang him on the nearest tree of accusations. they're like that. any old excuse will do.
17:29 mircea_popescu "SENATOR GERSTEIN (1:50:40) Mr. Antonopolous, your reputation preceded you prior to your arrival. You may recall that in my introductory remarks, I did not introduce you as a Bitcoin guru, but as THE Bitcoin guru. I think that I could speak on behalf of all of the members of the committee in saying that you have more than lived up to that reputation. We greatly appreciate your presentation today. Thank you very much, t
17:29 mircea_popescu his meeting is concluded."
17:29 mircea_popescu this should be in the record.
17:30 mircea_popescu gerstein addressing known shill, scammer and general clueless derp : "you're just like us! we love you here!"
17:30 bounce birds of a feather
17:30 mircea_popescu bounce looky, counterfactuals aren't factuals.
17:30 mircea_popescu or in romanian, "daca si cu parca se plimbau cu-o barca. daca daca nu era, parca parca se-neca".
17:31 mircea_popescu if and seems like were rowing in a boat. if if weren't there, seems like seems like'd have drowned.
17:32 cazalla some quantcast stats are up https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
17:32 assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
17:34 mircea_popescu not bad.
17:34 BingoBoingo Oh Quantcast and WP stats are pretty similar in the numbers
17:35 mircea_popescu 940,806 US rank < straight in the top 1m hehe
17:36 mircea_popescu ftr, coindesk is estimated around 20k ish daily.
17:36 mircea_popescu ie, you're already 2-3%
17:38 BingoBoingo https://www.quantcast.com/top-sites << Who could #7 be?
17:38 assbot Quantcast - Top Ranking International Websites
17:51 BingoBoingo http://www.wired.com/2014/10/silk-road-judge-technicality/
17:51 assbot Judge Rejects Defense That FBI Illegally Hacked Silk RoadOn a Technicality | WIRED
17:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00073978 = 39.0234 BTC [-] {3}
17:55 thickasthieves "Ulbricht hadn’t sufficiently demonstrated that the server belonged to him, and thus can’t claim that his privacy rights were violated by its search. "
17:56 thickasthieves he hasnt admitted guilt, so he cant be innocent
17:56 thickasthieves fuck me...
17:56 midnightmagic 14:30 <+mircea_popescu> gerstein addressing known shill, scammer and general clueless derp : "you're just like us! we love you here!" << thank you
18:00 kanzure did he claim that his property rights were violated, or that the owner's property rights were violated?
18:01 thickasthieves he'd need to admit the server was his first
18:02 thickasthieves it's a fucking joke
18:03 midnightmagic it's an absurdity
18:04 midnightmagic must the neighbour give testimoney that the police were trespassing to invalidate an apprehension? trespass is presumed, not proven.
18:04 BingoBoingo The judge alledges he could have claimed ownership in a way that wouldn't be a confession, but which would have effectively made his taking the stand either have to end in a confession or perjury
18:05 thickasthieves it's absurd
18:05 thickasthieves i'm mad
18:06 midnightmagic the form of an investigation is almost the entirety of whether justice is served
18:19 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the technicality known as "technically, i gotta eat, and these people are paying for it."
18:19 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3B3GWQV.txt )
18:19 BingoBoingo !b 1
18:20 mircea_popescu !up maximian
18:21 mats_cd03 ;;nethash
18:21 gribble 261049969.639
18:21 Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "BTC tops all time high before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/1033/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.28503498 BTC. Current weight: 59,896.
18:24 BingoBoingo mega lolz https://twitter.com/CoinFireBlog/status/520699230156226560
18:24 assbot ./koinify announced the addition of ./VinnyLingham to the advisory board and ./ofnumbers as a mentor: http://t.co/K4vpqjgrHX
18:25 mircea_popescu “The government posits two standards of behavior: one for private citizens, who must adhere to a strict standard of conduct construed by the government,” read a final filing Tuesday. “The other for the government, which, with its elastic ability to effect electronic intrusion, can deliberately, cavalierly, and unrepentantly transgress those same standards.”
18:25 mircea_popescu that part at least is worth taking away.
18:26 mircea_popescu the very definition of a rogue state is "one which construes itself more powerful than the private citizen"
18:31 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you going to make that court document scan a text btw ?
18:31 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yeah
18:31 BingoBoingo 38 pages so I'll txt it a bit different. .txt file to download
18:32 mircea_popescu textifying all the pdfs/scans idiots dump online, as well as textifying audio/video are very legitimates avenues for qntra to add value
18:32 mircea_popescu automate as much of it as possible and then automate the remainder. twice.
18:32 mircea_popescu got any good ocr and sound to text software atm ?
18:32 mircea_popescu and prolly best to make it a page rather than a txt file. people want what they want when they click.
18:33 mircea_popescu not after a dld and a notepad or w/e they use.
18:33 mircea_popescu besides, html.
18:34 mircea_popescu !up Takeshi
18:34 mircea_popescu okay.
18:35 mircea_popescu what is wcn anyway ?
18:35 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/judge-forrest-rejects-illegal-search-defense-in-ulbricht-case/
18:38 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> and prolly best to make it a page rather than a txt file. people want what they want when they click. << Updated this one now to have both
18:38 mircea_popescu worx
18:38 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> got any good ocr and sound to text software atm ? << Dunno of any yet
18:38 mircea_popescu but im serious about the ocr and the text to speech. it can do the bulk of the work.
18:39 mircea_popescu gives you a significant advantage.
18:39 mircea_popescu iirc asciilifeform mentioned some pdf textualizer in the logs ?
18:39 BingoBoingo Oh, I found a pdf textualizer, but I dunno if it handles pdfs that are just photographs of text yet
18:40 mircea_popescu you seriously should spend a week or w/e it takes trying out ocrs and voice recognition tools and whatnot, because going forward this will remain an issue
18:40 BingoBoingo It's going on the agenda.
18:40 mircea_popescu being able to take a turd and turn it into readable content within an hour or a day, and being able to so process gigabytes of crud a month is, by itself, more barrier to entry than all the collective "press" has
18:40 mircea_popescu and i don't mean coindeks. i mean wired
18:41 mircea_popescu and if you get it to where you have to fix a letter per ten words you're way way ahead of someone who has to press pause every five seconds
18:42 mircea_popescu not that anyone actually even exists in the cloud of vaporized shit comprising the kids-of-www that even has the drive or the intellectual werewithal to take down an hour of speech or an acre of blackboard anyway.
18:42 mircea_popescu you'd think everyone's got a college degree means they are god damned good at exactly that. but...
18:50 BingoBoingo Yeah, so far most of the deturdified text has been low hanging fruit, but automating the hard stuff is going to be nice sauce
18:52 mircea_popescu definitely.
18:53 mircea_popescu and i mean, i can tell anjie didn't sleep to do that one, which is exactly what she should have done, but once.
18:53 cazalla have not finished reading logs but the thing i do not like about the txt version is that it's difficult to read unless it's formatted correctly
18:53 mircea_popescu you can't have people do this by hand forever.
18:53 cazalla i don't see the value in just copying to a post without making it readable
18:53 mircea_popescu cazalla the point being that it's easier to format/spellcheck a predeturdified turd than to write from scratch
18:54 cazalla better to link to a txt than include it in post than imo
18:54 bounce formatting html or actual text? latter case, "fmt" or "par" (not par2, entirely different beast) might help
18:55 mircea_popescu fmt is a good idea yeah
18:55 mircea_popescu cazalla why ?
18:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00073834 = 4.2085 BTC [-]
18:58 Takeshi https://www.youtube.com/user/WorldCryptoNetwork WCN is a youtube channel .
18:58 assbot World Crypto Network - YouTube
18:58 mircea_popescu aha cool.
18:58 mircea_popescu ok, so go ahead.
19:02 kakobrekla mircea_popescu your dead man is live on that chan
19:02 kakobrekla hehe
19:02 mircea_popescu wait, wut ?
19:03 kakobrekla AA
19:03 kakobrekla currently live on WCN
19:03 mircea_popescu lol cool
19:03 BingoBoingo OMG Zombies!
19:04 mthreat mircea_popescu: $200 and $500 peso notes coming? http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=762332
19:04 assbot Esbozos de billetes de $ 200 y $ 500 - Ambito.com
19:04 mthreat it's about time, I guess. $100 pesos is worth 7 dollars
19:04 mircea_popescu they're behind the times, should be 1k 2k and 5k
19:04 mircea_popescu more like 6.
19:04 mthreat i'm a week behind then ;)
19:05 mircea_popescu ;;rated cazalla
19:05 gribble You rated user cazalla on Wed Apr 16 22:29:03 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood..
19:05 mircea_popescu ;;rate cazalla 2 qntra.net chief editor.
19:05 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user cazalla has changed from 1 to 2.
19:07 mthreat ;;rate mircea_popescu 3 Lunch & drinks in Buenos Aires
19:07 gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
19:07 mthreat bah
19:07 mircea_popescu ;;rated mthreat
19:07 gribble You rated user mthreat on Sat Jun 21 05:42:17 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Awesome search ; coffee.
19:08 mthreat ;;rate mircea_popescu 3 Lunch & drinks in Buenos Aires
19:08 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
19:08 mthreat finally I rated someone
19:09 mircea_popescu lol wd.
19:09 mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^
19:09 kakobrekla +2 boohoo
19:10 mircea_popescu what are you at yet anyway, 90something ?
19:10 kakobrekla dunno
19:15 BingoBoingo ;;getratings kakobrekla
19:15 gribble Error: "getratings" is not a valid command.
19:17 bounce it's the obvious and easily typed "ratingsystem getrating"
19:17 * bounce would demonstrate but gribble has been forgetful again
19:20 thestringpuller ;;gettrust nanotube mtgox
19:20 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user mtgox: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 38 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=mtgox | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mtgox | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:39 2010
19:23 BingoBoingo ;;ratingsystem getrating kakobrekla
19:23 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User kakobrekla, rated since Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011. Cumulative rating 148, from 77 total ratings. Received ratings: 77 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 78 positive, 6 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla
19:24 BingoBoingo Oic
19:24 thestringpuller nice find
19:24 kakobrekla ;;getrating kakobrekla
19:24 gribble Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
19:24 kakobrekla heh
19:28 mike_c <+mircea_popescu> you can't have people do this by hand forever. << that might be the easiest solution actually. set up some amazon mechanical turk automation.
19:29 thestringpuller !ticker h am1
19:29 assbot [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.13500000 / 0.13812501 / 0.14000001 (8 shares, 1.10500004 BTC), 7D: 0.10010000 / 0.13283625 / 0.19210002 (1410 shares, 187.29910975 BTC), 30D: 0.10000001 / 0.15529865 / 0.26900000 (5423 shares, 842.18456297 BTC)
19:29 mircea_popescu mike_c i wouldn't trust random fiverr derp not to mess up the words
19:29 mircea_popescu and seeing how the very purpose of this stuff is for people to be able to do deep searches for impredictable later interests, it'd be less than useful.
19:30 mike_c but you've got steady work, can find reliable people
19:30 mircea_popescu people are not for steady work. machines are for steady work.
19:30 mircea_popescu people are for unsteady work.
19:31 mike_c yes, but machines do a crappy job of voice/pdf -> text. maybe the turks are the ones who clean it up.
19:31 mircea_popescu (it won't scale. if one day i want to do 1tb i can just throw more chickens at it, provided it runs on chickens)
19:31 mircea_popescu do they still ?
19:31 mircea_popescu i was hoping 20 years later it's fixed mostly.
19:32 mircea_popescu how does ziri work or w/e was apple calling its paperclip ?
19:32 mike_c see the textification qntra did of the defense filing. all chopped up and stuff.
19:32 mike_c siri doesn't have to produce a readable text though, just understand the gist.
19:33 mike_c depends how important quality is i guess. but a rough text is painful to read to me.
19:34 mircea_popescu quality is actulaly pretty important yeah,.
19:48 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCfzph5dHs0 << check out the bitcoin evanghelist.
19:48 assbot Bitcoin Poem #1 - Bitcoin is not - YouTube
19:54 ben_vulpes http://emojilisp.com/
19:54 assbot Emojilisp!
19:54 ben_vulpes the only language adequate to replace c++ for btc dev
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20:11 * xanthyos
20:24 mod6 %ob
20:24 atcbot 7k@266 99k@255 30k@225 | 4k@185 70k@180 100k@175
20:24 mod6 %v
20:24 atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 185 Ask: 225 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 179k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 198
20:34 xanthyos here is a btc-appropriate twitter header picture http://gyazo.com/08b6287de0ba69c0687c38a659d26c9a
20:35 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gamer-currency-hyper-goes-where-bitcoin-cant-into-the-bin/
20:42 bounce http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/10/10/brandson_backs_blockchain_bitcoin_bandwagon/
20:42 assbot Beardie Branson backs Blockchain's Bitcoin bandwagon The Register
20:44 mircea_popescu lol
20:51 mircea_popescu mike_c am i not seeing something or do you not mean http://qntra.net/2014/10/andreas-antonopolous-testifies-before-canadian-senate-committee/ ? seems perfectly ok formatted
20:51 assbot Andreas Antonopolous Testifies Before Canadian Senate Committee
20:52 mike_c http://qntra.net/2014/10/ulbricht-attorneys-file-response-to-government/
20:52 assbot Ulbricht Attorneys File Response to Government
20:52 mike_c text is broken up
20:55 mircea_popescu ah ah
21:01 ben_vulpes cazalla: considered emailing the defense for the unadulterated text?
21:02 cazalla I think that's more BingoBoingo's department, I don't claim to grasp much of it tbh
21:02 mircea_popescu not a bad idea, considering they probably want exposure. dubious if it's worth the hassle.
21:07 ben_vulpes more hassle on their end, an email on BingoBoingo's.
21:07 mircea_popescu tru
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21:40 thickasthieves they want exposure
21:41 thickasthieves ;;ticker
21:41 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 364.26, Best ask: 365.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.74000, Last trade: 365.0, 24 hour volume: 21725.59361661, 24 hour low: 351.1, 24 hour high: 380.08, 24 hour vwap: 362.056811116
21:41 thickasthieves time for the trip to 400-440
21:44 kakobrekla scam
21:45 thickasthieves ponzi
21:55 devthedev mircea_popescu: I liked your analogy in regards to the Internet Watch Foundation claim.
21:56 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/strange-in-the-street/
22:07 penguirker New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptosnews-join-the-shenanigans-at-startjoin/
22:08 cazalla with that, lunch
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22:39 xanthyos 212926 <@aspirant> i dont like bitcoin
22:39 xanthyos 212931 <@aspirant> i know almost nothing about it
22:45 mircea_popescu !up PinkPosixPXE
22:45 mircea_popescu xanthyos not a crime
22:46 assbot zeeeando0oO +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
22:46 mircea_popescu devthedev_ cool!
22:46 mircea_popescu !up zeeeando0oO
22:46 zeeeando0oO thank you
22:46 mircea_popescu sure.
22:46 mircea_popescu who're you ?
22:48 zeeeando0oO I am xiando.
22:48 zeeeando0oO I am not important.
22:49 mircea_popescu ;;later tell princessnell http://www.8btc.com/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains check it out, you're big in china
22:49 assbot |
22:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:49 mircea_popescu ok, so what can we do for you, xiando that is not important ?
22:51 zeeeando0oO Share secrets. though I already get those by idling. Could I just idle and not be important and talk if I do find anything interesting to share?
22:51 mircea_popescu yup.
22:52 mircea_popescu most people ctually do exactly that.
22:57 mircea_popescu ;;ident zeeeando0oO
22:57 gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'zeeeando0oO', with hostmask 'zeeeando0oO!xiando@irc.xiando.org', is identified as user 'xiando', with GPG key id 3414891E7C2FFCAA, key fingerprint 3DD672BBF97B3C48627AA9DE3414891E7C2FFCAA, and bitcoin address 1Jk4tuV82rUB31s6PUshoMHAJ1fKt5pwjv
22:57 mircea_popescu ;;rate zeeeando0 1 http://pastebin.com/LPm3jBG7
22:57 assbot [14:13] <xiando> I'm surprised you actually answer me for once. I did not exp - Pastebin.com
22:57 gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
22:57 mircea_popescu ;;rate xiando 1 http://pastebin.com/LPm3jBG7
22:57 assbot [14:13] <xiando> I'm surprised you actually answer me for once. I did not exp - Pastebin.com
22:58 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xiando has been recorded.
22:58 ben_vulpes pahahaha what the hell
23:00 mircea_popescu old stories.
23:00 xiando ;;ident xiando
23:00 gribble Nick 'xiando', with hostmask 'xiando!xiando@irc.xiando.org', is identified as user 'xiando', with GPG key id 3414891E7C2FFCAA, key fingerprint 3DD672BBF97B3C48627AA9DE3414891E7C2FFCAA, and bitcoin address 1Jk4tuV82rUB31s6PUshoMHAJ1fKt5pwjv
23:00 mircea_popescu xiando you can self-voice by pming assbot !up
23:01 xiando it keeps telling me I need a better WOT rating
23:01 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot xiando
23:01 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask xiando!xiando@irc.xiando.org. Trust relationship from user assbot to user xiando: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=xiando | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xiando | Rated since: Mon Feb 18 08:34:39 2013
23:02 ben_vulpes it'll percolate through the mud
23:02 mircea_popescu xiando i just fixed that above. there's a delay, bout an hour or so, cause multiple cache layers.
23:02 kakobrekla if gribble sees it, assbot will too.
23:02 xiando Thank you.
23:05 kakobrekla and you really tried just once, before the rating, so wtf.
23:05 kakobrekla anyway imma go. later
23:05 mircea_popescu anyway, not that anything karpeles [ever] said can be taken at face value, but admire the difference between mtgox and bitbet when it comes to the position of the usg. perfectly symmetrical, karpeles is "up to the usg" ; usg is up to bitbet.
23:07 mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/mtgox-freeze-money-absurd-answers-of-support-student-desperate-and-out-option.95502/#post-1613198 << back in the day, before timisoara conference, last weeks of mtgox.
23:07 assbot Mtgox freeze money, Absurd answers of support, student desperate and out option | Bitcointa.lk
23:15 mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByxGzdECIAIHbN7.jpg:large << check out the gall of the aussie bureaucracy
23:16 mircea_popescu "this letter can not be used for any purpose". how fucking dare they ?
23:18 thickasthieves you are not allowed to read what i say
23:18 thickasthieves stop
23:19 mircea_popescu http://identi.fi/id/account/mircea_popescu@bitcoin-otc.com << check out the scrappers ?
23:19 assbot Identifi - mircea_popescu
23:20 thickasthieves such css
23:20 mircea_popescu o wait it's sirius' ?!
23:21 mircea_popescu ;;ident sirius^
23:21 gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
23:21 mircea_popescu ;;gpg info sirius
23:21 gribble No such user registered.
23:21 mircea_popescu o.O
23:22 mircea_popescu Anduck ?
23:22 thickasthieves "Identifi is an address book application that stores its data in a distributed fashion on the computers of its users. The stored information is not owned or centrally administered by anyone."
23:24 mircea_popescu fucking twitter "load stuff on scrolldown"
23:27 thickasthieves bandwidth strikes again
23:28 mircea_popescu so apparently it actually is sirius' thing
23:29 thickasthieves how i sit decentralized? you just compile and dl latest copy of db?
23:29 thickasthieves with every user being a node or sumth
23:29 mircea_popescu basically the original creator of tardstalk surreptitiously forked otc
23:30 thickasthieves looks like it supports otc, rather than just scraping data, no?
23:30 mircea_popescu no.
23:31 thickasthieves a future of wots would need to chain wots together right?
23:31 mircea_popescu http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=anduck&sign=ANY&type=SENT << there's no rating from anduck to this "identifi" identity there.
23:31 assbot Rating Details for User 'anduck'
23:31 thickasthieves each wot having a trust rating with another wot
23:31 mircea_popescu but that's not what's happening here.
23:31 thickasthieves hrm
23:31 mircea_popescu basically, guy imported the otc wot as-is, is not talking back to it, and is allowing users on his system to log in through shit like facebook, and make ratings.
23:32 mircea_popescu so it's either an attack or a degenerate reimplementation. one or the other.
23:32 mircea_popescu course nobody is answering in their otherwise barren support chan.
23:32 thickasthieves i dont think the facebook part is a crime
23:33 mircea_popescu http://identi.fi/id/account/theymos%40bitcoin-otc.com << look at that.
23:33 mircea_popescu depends in what sense. i wouldn't trust someone because htey're "facebook logged in"
23:33 thickasthieves me either
23:34 mircea_popescu http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=theymos&sign=ANY&type=RECV << as compared.
23:34 assbot Rating Details for User 'theymos'
23:34 thickasthieves i'd still trust them less for logging in via facebook even if auth'd
23:34 mircea_popescu basically prima facie the scammers made themselves a bootstrap fake wot.
23:34 thickasthieves site is hanging now
23:34 thickasthieves apparently this chan ddos'd it
23:35 mircea_popescu myeah.
23:35 mircea_popescu well it went into the logs is the problem
23:35 mircea_popescu don't tell the seo spammers, but google indexes stuff from the logs in ~1 minute.
23:35 thickasthieves heh
23:35 thickasthieves well we can protect from seo spammers pretty easily
23:37 The20YearIRCloud protect what?
23:37 mircea_popescu anyway. i wonder if the long term effect will be to help idiots get familiar with the wot (positive) or to get idiots to think they;re part of the wot on a facebook login based bootstrap website (negative)
23:37 mircea_popescu provided of course it survives long enough to matter.
23:37 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust luke-jr theymos
23:37 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user luke-jr to user theymos: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 11 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=luke-jr&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:36:30 2010
23:38 mircea_popescu https://login.persona.org/sign_in << holy shit, mozila persona ?!
23:38 assbot Mozilla Persona: A Better Way to Sign In
23:38 mircea_popescu this thing is evil
23:40 thickasthieves requires firefox? (errors for me)
23:41 mircea_popescu it's this mozilla evil. sort-of like the darkemail or w/e that was
23:43 thickasthieves meh
23:43 thickasthieves no one will ever use it
23:44 thickasthieves i cant think why anyone ever would
23:44 mircea_popescu it was launched in 2011 and abandoned in 2012, but w/e
23:44 mircea_popescu thickasthieves kinda what irks me. so obviously wasted effort, and a lot of it. i don't think the people in question are actually nefariously motivated, but you'd think old timers'd have more sense. anyway.
23:45 thickasthieves sometimes these things come back to life as a body part of something decent
23:45 thickasthieves like maybe that head engineer gets into bitcoin and makes some wot stuff
23:46 * thickasthieves turns down the hope.
23:46 mircea_popescu i was talking about the identi.fi thing again
23:46 mircea_popescu aaanyway.
23:46 mircea_popescu ruby rots brains, it's obvious by now.
23:47 thickasthieves i never liked the name
23:47 thickasthieves which is obv what's important
23:56 thickasthieves qntra seems laggy
23:57 thickasthieves it does this thing where pages dont load but then they do
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