| 00:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Ebama could spead a lot of Obola with a fat stash of BTC |
| 00:11 |
thestringpuller |
Fucking Giants. |
| |
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| 00:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56254 @ 0.00079415 = 44.6741 BTC [+] |
| 00:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00079557 = 28.8394 BTC [+] {3} |
| 00:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26227 @ 0.00079577 = 20.8707 BTC [+] |
| 00:52 |
ben_vulpes |
hah microsoft's got a wristband product |
| 00:52 |
mircea_popescu |
so this dingy old laptop is converting two movies and playing a third |
| 00:52 |
mircea_popescu |
such a little trooper i swear |
| 00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
converting?! |
| 00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
* asciilifeform looks forward to the possibility of the coprophagiac zoos of western eu waking up to the fact that what turned them into such was - nato. << at least the warsaw pact countries figured it out. |
| 00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes i hate mp4. |
| 00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
but vlc handles everything... |
| 00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i still hate mp4. |
| 00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
lol can you hear the movie over the things fans? |
| 00:54 |
mircea_popescu |
fans are so quiet the street's louder at 1 am. |
| 00:54 |
ben_vulpes |
what magic dingy laptop is this |
| 00:56 |
mircea_popescu |
ibm thinkpad. |
| 00:58 |
thestringpuller |
old as fuck |
| 00:58 |
thestringpuller |
didn't ibm sell that to lenovo? |
| 00:58 |
undata |
yep |
| 00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah this is before that. 10 yo or so. |
| 00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
actually i think lenovo was manufacturing them anyway |
| 00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd be much suprised if ibm actually MADE anything, even a decade ago. |
| 01:00 |
undata |
IBM still does the US "support" |
| 01:00 |
undata |
I had to get the screen replaced on this one under warranty |
| 01:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12618 @ 0.00079832 = 10.0732 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 01:27 |
BingoBoingo |
undata: I had to get the screen replaced on this one under warranty << My 4 yo Thinkpad will probably be getting its third fan soon. |
| 01:28 |
undata |
BingoBoingo: I almost wrecked this one's fan coding in the sand by the columbia |
| 01:29 |
undata |
but I was able to clean it |
| 01:29 |
BingoBoingo |
I take this one out to the garage to smoke cigarettes |
| 01:33 |
undata |
cigs are the natural enemy of computer fans |
| 01:34 |
undata |
beer meanwhile, keyboards |
| 01:36 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo you should hear this fan. |
| 01:37 |
mircea_popescu |
girl pissing two doors away is louder. |
| 01:37 |
BingoBoingo |
Why would I spill the precious? Also not much of a beer person. Prefer my drink closer in composition to what would be used to clean it anyways |
| 01:37 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Damn. |
| 01:37 |
BingoBoingo |
It's been a few days since my fan made the angry bees noise. |
| 01:38 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Is that the original fan? |
| 01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
far as i know... |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 02:01 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: I'm having trouble finding an MPOE-PR post using something Buffet wrote in relation to mining. How capital expenditure is made in textiles etc. |
| 02:15 |
thestringpuller |
whatever happened to dr. foreskin |
| 02:17 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/carders-cashing-out-into-bitcoincash-via-coinbase-others/ |
| 02:17 |
assbot |
Carders Cashing Out Into Bitcoin/Cash Via Coinbase & Others | Qntra.net |
| 02:17 |
cazalla |
thestringpuller, he got circumcised |
| 02:27 |
assbot |
Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1RA9G2S.txt ) |
| 02:27 |
thestringpuller |
!b 4 |
| 02:35 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 21000000 / 30 |
| 02:35 |
gribble |
700000 |
| 02:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51929 @ 0.0007939 = 41.2264 BTC [-] |
| 02:48 |
mircea_popescu |
!up eightyeight |
| 02:48 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller so look straight in buffett's letters. |
| |
~ 32 minutes ~ |
| 03:21 |
ben_vulpes |
thestringpuller: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201268.msg2121475#msg2121475 |
| 03:21 |
assbot |
ASICMINER vs. Cado.AvalonB3 |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 03:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10532 @ 0.00079743 = 8.3985 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 1 hours 49 minutes ~ |
| 05:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15297 @ 0.00080241 = 12.2745 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 05:47 |
bounce |
so, is there any data anywhere of the efficacy and efficiency of KYC and AML reg implementations? |
| 05:51 |
undata |
bounce: seems like a question for a finance industry lawyer |
| 05:51 |
undata |
I'm sure they're highly effective at creating a target for identity theft. |
| 05:59 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
efficacy and efficiency for whom or what? |
| 06:00 |
thestringpuller |
!up w0lf |
| 06:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.00080311 = 36.3809 BTC [+] {2} |
| 06:01 |
bounce |
the stated purpose might be a good start |
| 06:04 |
bounce |
then you tally the side effecets and perhaps you can make a nice little table with false and true positives and negatives perhaps |
| 06:05 |
bounce |
those civil forfeitures for people "structuring" their deposits so their bank has less paperwork to do is clearly an effect but not, as far as I know anyway, a publicly stated purpose of the reporting rules |
| 06:09 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
the 'stated purpose could only be trolling for unauthorized activity. it would be the same as efficiency/efficancy of any other surveillance - its much better than nothing but not as good as they'd like. there would simply be all negatives for one party, all positives for the other |
| 06:21 |
bounce |
that sounds like a load of rationalisation bs. |
| 06:25 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
hmm, I actually couldn't comprehend how to gauge the proficiency of kyc/aml, so was trying to help you clarify for me |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 06:40 |
bounce |
then look at what they're supposed to do, like look at the language used to introduce the regs. |
| 06:42 |
bounce |
"combat money laundering" -- what is money laundering and (leaving aside for the moment why it would need combating) how exactly do you discern when something is money laundering or not. |
| 06:42 |
bounce |
s/\./?/ |
| 06:44 |
bounce |
if there's no sure-fire way then perhaps the whole idea of combating needs to be scrapped. if that isn't the case, you can look at what effects the regs have and tally incidents they have an influence on, discerning "this was money laundering" and "this wasn't", tally separately |
| 06:45 |
bounce |
that at least gives you an idea of its visible effects, which isn't the whole picture but at least is a start |
| 06:53 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
the definition for ML is fairly straight forward - like an arrow, it either hits a target or doesnt depending on archer's accuracy. what you're talking about there is the proficiency of individual arbiters weighing decisions to execute warrants.. I'd guess their accuracy varies rather widely |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 07:08 |
bounce |
warrants? what do you mean, warrants? |
| 07:09 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
warrants to get customer data |
| 07:10 |
bounce |
that's much too narrow. people getting their accounts shut down because too much bother is also an effect of these same regulations. |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 07:29 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
essentially unrelated to aml I believe. account closure without legal action is just business discretion/risk mgmt. Of course regs preempt cautionary' corporate policies if thats what you mean. back to the original question, its all positive for regulators/prosecutors, all negative for account holders. virus is possibly a good analogy- its all warm, positive, and welcoming for the vi |
| 07:29 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
rus, entirely harmful for the host |
| 07:42 |
adlai |
> mark karpeles busy working on new software codenamed 'midas' |
| 07:43 |
adlai |
> SEC using new market analysis tool... codenamed 'midas' |
| 07:43 |
adlai |
wake up sheeple |
| 07:46 |
adlai |
"The system, akin to an X-ray machine for the stock market" Here we see the useless metaphor in its natural habitat, a NYtimes article |
| 07:47 |
adlai |
looks like without this, the SEC wasn't taking into account unexecuted offers, which is kinda laughable if they're trying to detect/prevent "manipulation" |
| 07:52 |
bounce |
<RagnarDanneskjol> essentially unrelated to aml I believe. << no, it is not. you don't get to exclude actions taken by non-government actors because of the rules because they're not government actors. |
| 07:53 |
thickasthieves |
<+asciilifeform> incidentally, not one word of this in u.s. papers. ---- http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/10/24/putin-accuses-us-undermining-global-stability-by-trying-to-dictate-its-will-to/ |
| 07:53 |
assbot |
Putin says Washington fails to respect the interests of other countries | Fox News |
| 07:54 |
* |
adlai nurses his slumberbrain into wakefulness with http://youtu.be/fCF4B0f1O50 and classical music |
| 07:54 |
assbot |
1000 Quotes in BPY - YouTube |
| 07:55 |
thickasthieves |
but yes, the Putin thing is mostly uncovered in us |
| 07:55 |
thickasthieves |
not covered, i should say |
| 07:56 |
thickasthieves |
<+cazalla> i bet this multisig shit turns into a customer service nightmare for coinbase ---- and they explicitly only do online customer service, no phone |
| 07:57 |
bounce |
ie, "help yourselves, dear clients" |
| 07:58 |
* |
bounce logged in with $site, nuked cookies somewhere along the way, now can't log in because "csrf token invalid, try again", no matter what trick I throw at it. support is in a forum that requires logging in through the same form of course. |
| 08:01 |
thickasthieves |
Tim COok just came out of the closet |
| 08:01 |
thickasthieves |
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-30/tim-cook-im-proud-to-be-gay |
| 08:01 |
assbot |
Tim Cook: "I'm Proud to be Gay" - Businessweek |
| 08:01 |
thickasthieves |
SELL |
| 08:02 |
thickasthieves |
stock down .5% in premarket |
| 08:02 |
bounce |
down because fear it'll be down |
| 08:02 |
adlai |
dtf |
| 08:02 |
thickasthieves |
hehe |
| 08:07 |
adlai |
thus the modern stock market enables us to calculate the free-market price of a fuck, commonly only approximated through dark pools in back alleys |
| 08:11 |
thickasthieves |
So if the SEC is enabling some traders to get early info, will the SEC fine the SEC? |
| 08:14 |
adlai |
exchanges are enabling that and the SEC is two decades late to the party |
| 08:23 |
thickasthieves |
vid pf the putin speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F9pQcqPdKo |
| 08:23 |
assbot |
Putin at Valdai - World Order: New Rules or a Game without Rules (FULL VIDEO) - YouTube |
| 08:25 |
thickasthieves |
worst translator ever |
| 08:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00079979 = 14.9561 BTC [-] |
| 08:26 |
thickasthieves |
geez i like Putin |
| 08:27 |
thickasthieves |
let's get him in here |
| 08:27 |
thickasthieves |
:) |
| 08:28 |
adlai |
in soviet russia, wot get inside of YOU! |
| 08:28 |
adlai |
/ logs read YOU |
| 08:34 |
nubbins` |
<undata> beer meanwhile, keyboards <<< my last laptop drank a beer and died. current one drank a coffee and is still kicking |
| 08:35 |
punkman |
I've always thought the drainholes under keyboard in Lenovo machines were a great idea, haven't had a chance to test it though |
| 08:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10620 @ 0.00079979 = 8.4938 BTC [-] |
| 08:37 |
nubbins` |
speaking of testing, any sign of punkbot 8) |
| 08:38 |
punkman |
maybe today, gotta remove the stupid |
| 08:38 |
punkman |
but gpg libs are not helping |
| 08:39 |
nubbins` |
what's the backend written in |
| 08:39 |
punkman |
python |
| 08:42 |
punkman |
python-gnupg, I couldn't get recv_keys to work, tried fork of library, I can recv_keys but it burps on some unicode chars returned by keyserver and doesn't confirm key was imported. |
| 08:46 |
nubbins` |
oh hey, nanotube contributed to that particular method |
| 08:47 |
kakobrekla |
want wot? fix python. |
| 08:47 |
punkman |
yeah I'm not even sure what version nanotube is using |
| 08:47 |
nubbins` |
paste some code |
| 08:47 |
nubbins` |
where you're trying recv_keys |
| 08:48 |
nubbins` |
oh and what OS is this running on? |
| 08:48 |
punkman |
FreeDOS |
| 08:48 |
kakobrekla |
whut? |
| 08:49 |
punkman |
:P |
| 08:49 |
nubbins` |
... |
| 08:49 |
punkman |
it's debian |
| 08:49 |
nubbins` |
heh, ok |
| 08:49 |
nubbins` |
yeah, paste yr code, let's take a peek |
| 08:50 |
nubbins` |
;;google release early, release often |
| 08:50 |
gribble |
Release early, release often - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_early,_release_often>; Release Early, Release Often - Catb.org: <http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s04.html>; The Hardest Lessons for Startups to Learn - Paul Graham: <http://www.paulgraham.com/startuplessons.html> |
| 08:50 |
kakobrekla |
;;google shut the fuck up |
| 08:50 |
gribble |
YOU NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_LIR5ExIU>; Even Carlo Ancelotti Wishes Sepp Blatter Would Shut The Fuck Up: <http://screamer.deadspin.com/even-carlo-ancelotti-wishes-sepp-blatter-would-shut-the-1652335633/+billyhaisley>; Urban Dictionary: shut the fuck up: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shut%20the%20fuck%20up> |
| 08:51 |
punkman |
http://dpaste.com/00XNZ8B using this https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg |
| 08:51 |
assbot |
dpaste: 00XNZ8B |
| 08:51 |
assbot |
isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub |
| 08:51 |
punkman |
(pip install gnupg) |
| 08:51 |
punkman |
https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg/issues/49 |
| 08:51 |
assbot |
UnicodeDecodeError · Issue #49 · isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub |
| 08:54 |
nubbins` |
^ was just gonna paste that :D |
| 08:54 |
nubbins` |
https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg/compare/fix/49-unicode-decode-on-readline |
| 08:54 |
assbot |
Comparing master...fix/49-unicode-decode-on-readline · isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub |
| 08:54 |
nubbins` |
give that a try |
| 08:55 |
punkman |
yeah I love that I'm running "develop" versions for all major pieces (supybot, electrum) |
| 08:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00079979 = 5.7185 BTC [-] |
| 08:57 |
* |
punkman is gonna need some tobacco, runs out |
| 09:01 |
jurov |
punkman, are you aware there are gnupg and python-gnupg as not fully compatible forks of each other? |
| 09:02 |
jurov |
i discovered that while doing mepxagent. |
| 09:02 |
punkman |
jurov: yeah and there's a dozen other similar libraries too |
| 09:05 |
punkman |
so pack of tobacco from corner store, 4-5eur from 17gr, bag of tobacco from guy I know, 20eur for 1kg. |
| 09:05 |
punkman |
if only he knew how to cure it properly |
| 09:06 |
kakobrekla |
properly curated costs even less than 20eur/kg in bosnia |
| 09:06 |
kakobrekla |
maybe 10 eur. |
| 09:06 |
kakobrekla |
for the high end. |
| 09:07 |
punkman |
kakobrekla: teach them how to bitcoin plz |
| 09:07 |
kakobrekla |
heh |
| 09:07 |
kakobrekla |
i dont know anyone younger than 40 there |
| 09:07 |
kakobrekla |
or well, a kiddo. |
| 09:10 |
nubbins` |
i thought about growing tobacco |
| 09:10 |
nubbins` |
quit smoking instead |
| 09:10 |
punkman |
good idea |
| 09:10 |
nubbins` |
it's like having a part-time job where you get paid to not show up |
| 09:12 |
* |
bounce doesn't smoke but isn't getting paid for the not-smoking either |
| 09:12 |
bounce |
where did I go wrong?!? |
| 09:12 |
punkman |
clearly you should start smoking |
| 09:19 |
nubbins` |
yeah |
| 09:19 |
nubbins` |
then quit |
| 09:19 |
nubbins` |
it's like getting paid |
| 09:19 |
nubbins` |
do you know how much money i've "earned" since quitting?!?! |
| 09:20 |
thickasthieves |
pankkake says hello: "That’s not an “update”, please avoid associating your nonsense with my script. Your “solution” provides no easy maintenance and comes with greater hardware requirements (as with anything pre-0.8), but I suppose you guys are pretty much clueless on this. Also conveniently forgetting that 0.9 introduced the possibility of disabling the wallet functionality |
| |
↖ |
| 09:20 |
thickasthieves |
altogether." |
| 09:20 |
nubbins` |
;;calc (2*365+366+13)*10 |
| 09:20 |
gribble |
11090 |
| 09:20 |
nubbins` |
er sorry |
| 09:20 |
thickasthieves |
http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/30/enough-of-what-most-people-think-tell-me-what-you-think-or-stfu/#comment-4222 |
| 09:20 |
assbot |
Enough of What “Most People Think,” Tell Me What You Think or STFU | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
| 09:20 |
nubbins` |
;;calc ((2*365+366+13)*10)/[ticker --last] |
| 09:20 |
gribble |
33.224482459 |
| 09:20 |
nubbins` |
like 33 btc!!! |
| 09:21 |
punkman |
well maybe you bought a pack for 10k btc long ago |
| 09:21 |
jurov |
<asciilifeform> [20141030 00:13] that thing's running on what, a commodore64? << seeing kako's problems, I put a CDN in outright in front of it |
| 09:21 |
jurov |
obv, that means caching delays |
| 09:21 |
punkman |
jurov, what are you using |
| 09:21 |
jurov |
cloudfront |
| 09:22 |
nubbins` |
thickasthieves why so butthurt anyway |
| 09:22 |
nubbins` |
!s pankkake |
| 09:22 |
assbot |
17918 results for 'pankkake' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pankkake |
| 09:23 |
thickasthieves |
dunno, he so mad tho |
| 09:23 |
thickasthieves |
" Whether one is a US-based exchange or not doesn't decide whether one needs to register. The question is whether a company has clients in the US or not. If so, they are subject to regulations of that jurisdiction." |
| 09:23 |
thickasthieves |
hmm interesting concept |
| 09:23 |
thickasthieves |
can a US exchange run unregulated by the US if it only serves non-US customers? |
| 09:24 |
jurov |
and if it does not register, then what? |
| 09:24 |
punkman |
thickasthieves: wasn't kraken doing that for a while? |
| 09:24 |
jurov |
iirc it's already established MPEx server everyone, what are they gonna do about it? |
| 09:24 |
jurov |
*serves |
| 09:24 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
thickasthieves - thats what coinsetter did their first couple of years for that reason |
| 09:25 |
thickasthieves |
quite interesting |
| 09:25 |
kakobrekla |
coinsetter is idiots. |
| 09:25 |
thickasthieves |
i mean, who wants us customers anyway |
| 09:25 |
kakobrekla |
not cause of that, just in general. |
| 09:26 |
nubbins` |
thickasthieves +1 |
| 09:38 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/gallery/vwI6Au3 |
| 09:38 |
assbot |
Cybernetic arm goes crazy on canadian TV show - Imgur |
| 09:38 |
nubbins` |
my sides |
| 09:39 |
thickasthieves |
"Don't know if 1970's or hipsters" lol |
| 09:40 |
nubbins` |
aaaaah my face hurts |
| 09:40 |
nubbins` |
can't stop watching |
| 09:40 |
nubbins` |
the host!!! |
| 09:40 |
nubbins` |
he's all "this is highly irregular" |
| 09:46 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: i've run afoul of the python gnupg wrapper |
| 09:47 |
ben_vulpes |
i ultimately went the route of shelling out to gpg directly and writing my own little lib that did exactly what i needed and nothing else |
| 09:49 |
ben_vulpes |
thickasthieves: where's that pankkake comment from? |
| 09:49 |
thickasthieves |
i linked |
| 09:49 |
ben_vulpes |
h foundit |
| 09:50 |
thickasthieves |
he still loves us |
| 09:50 |
thickasthieves |
i can tell |
| 09:50 |
TomServo |
"Russia favors a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified." << seems like an odd point to wedge in amongst the rest. |
| 09:51 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: which wrapper were you using? |
| 09:52 |
thickasthieves |
http://www.wired.com/2014/10/mit-media-lab-gets-transforming-logo-courtesy-pentagram/ |
| 09:52 |
assbot |
MIT Media Lab Gets a Transforming Logo, Courtesy of Pentagram | WIRED |
| 09:53 |
thickasthieves |
Pentagram is like the identity design elite |
| 09:56 |
punkman |
megalol -> http://i.imgur.com/cpTYpu7.png |
| 09:57 |
thickasthieves |
ha |
| 09:58 |
punkman |
just when I was thinking hey this is pretty good |
| 09:58 |
punkman |
then the ad slide pops up |
| 09:59 |
thickasthieves |
it's really good imo |
| 09:59 |
thickasthieves |
it's nearly impossible to get a client to accept stuff like this thi |
| 09:59 |
thickasthieves |
tho |
| 09:59 |
thickasthieves |
it's why i always loved the Apple logo designer |
| 09:59 |
thickasthieves |
his deal was, i'll make you a logo, and you'll take it as is |
| 10:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/sjw-you-mean-sew/ fresh off da presses. |
| 10:01 |
assbot |
SJW ? You mean SEW ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 10:01 |
mircea_popescu |
TomServo why so? |
| 10:04 |
nubbins` |
thickasthieves this is how pink eye prefers to work for design jobs |
| 10:05 |
nubbins` |
it's way, way, way less painful for everyone involved |
| 10:05 |
TomServo |
mircea_popescu: It just struck me as not fitting with the rest of the message. What innovations might he be referring to? |
| 10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
well the way i read it it's not referring to anything, merely refusing to commit to anything. |
| 10:08 |
thickasthieves |
he does almost sound like he's gonna pitch Bitcoin for a minute |
| 10:08 |
TomServo |
hehe, that's kind of where I was going |
| 10:09 |
TomServo |
The other points seem much more specific, and I would think there is at least something in mind when referring to innovations into the social order. |
| 10:10 |
thickasthieves |
it's a well written speech in that its general enough any individual can map it onto his own perspectives |
| 10:10 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.majestic12.co.uk/projects/dsearch/mj12bot.php << incidentally. |
| 10:10 |
assbot |
Majestic-12 : DSearch : MJ12bot |
| 10:10 |
mircea_popescu |
a distributed replacement for google might be a pretty damned good idea |
| 10:10 |
mircea_popescu |
especially if it doesn't end up with a manual "algo" |
| 10:10 |
ben_vulpes |
http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/30/enough-of-what-most-people-think-tell-me-what-you-think-or-stfu/#comment-4230 << when it emerges from moderation |
| 10:10 |
assbot |
Enough of What “Most People Think,” Tell Me What You Think or STFU | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
| 10:10 |
thickasthieves |
the local rap group in my hometwon was called 12Majestik |
| 10:10 |
jurov |
any non-manual algo will get spammed |
| 10:11 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov no, make search wot-based. |
| 10:11 |
punkman |
sort of distributed google http://yacy.net/ |
| 10:11 |
assbot |
YaCy - The Peer to Peer Search Engine: Home |
| 10:12 |
thickasthieves |
my search idea could combine with a distributed one, have all ranking factors be open and weightable by the user |
| 10:12 |
thickasthieves |
provide templates to start from |
| 10:12 |
jurov |
mircea_popescu you forgot the wot ratings must be examined manually to be useful? |
| 10:12 |
thickasthieves |
and default mode is the average of all users |
| 10:12 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: python-gnupg iirc |
| 10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov which is why this is so useful : try and do it for search, high volume and low risk, see if anything useful can be done algorithmically. |
| 10:13 |
thickasthieves |
google killer in a nutshell |
| 10:13 |
jurov |
punkman: i ended up calling gpg --recv-key directly |
| 10:14 |
jurov |
even then, it did some failures like "key rejected by input filter" |
| 10:14 |
jurov |
dunno any lib can handle that |
| 10:14 |
punkman |
jurov, I think I could publish a pubring that gets updated a couple times a day |
| 10:14 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves i suspect this is like the "myspace, music industry killer" idea a decade ago. yeah, it'd work, if people didn't suck. people do suck, and as a result, myspace dies. |
| 10:15 |
jurov |
punkman: incl. removals/revocations? |
| 10:15 |
punkman |
ideally |
| 10:15 |
thickasthieves |
i think "work" definition would change in this case |
| 10:16 |
thickasthieves |
from google being the curator, to newsearch being the db with sort |
| 10:16 |
punkman |
I am also considering making the bot spit out expiry/revocations in a diff channel |
| 10:16 |
thickasthieves |
google can still be google |
| 10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
it'd certainly be useful for linux-y types, me and google divorced when it took out the operands. |
| 10:16 |
thickasthieves |
and would be smart to move harder in the curation direction in the face of such a service |
| 10:16 |
thickasthieves |
they already are tho, |
| 10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
and google is the shittiest curator imaginable. people in commie romania thought they had it bad, but this is pointedly worse. |
| 10:16 |
thickasthieves |
Google Music, etc |
| 10:17 |
thickasthieves |
well thats why you use newsearch and lazy ignorants use goog |
| 10:17 |
thickasthieves |
i actually call it Project Search Party |
| 10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
"oh, everything is on wikipedia" is not curation. why the fuck would i want google to return a wikipedia result in the first place, what, as if i don't know they probably have a shitty article sort-of talking around topic x ? |
| 10:17 |
thickasthieves |
the project i'll never work on but always talk about |
| 10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
why aren't you working on it again ? |
| 10:19 |
thickasthieves |
how the fuck to make a search engine? |
| 10:19 |
thickasthieves |
i dont even mine! |
| 10:19 |
punkman |
thickasthieves: write down some ideas |
| 10:20 |
thickasthieves |
i think i do have a writeup started somewhere with examples, etc |
| 10:20 |
thickasthieves |
but i cant even manage getting someone to recompile altcoind for windows |
| 10:20 |
thickasthieves |
soooo |
| 10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves the way people do. you write down the task, break it up, write down the parts, break them up, read up on the topics, implement, refine... |
| 10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
what have all these other schmucks been doing ever since this chan started ? |
| 10:20 |
punkman |
I want to make personal search engine that gets fed with my browsing history, bookmarks, local content (email, logs, etc) |
| 10:21 |
thickasthieves |
i also would like (and surely others would to) a cumalitive customizable chart for bitcoin exchanges |
| 10:21 |
thickasthieves |
so i can choose which ones to combine into one chart |
| 10:21 |
jurov |
punkman KDE tried with akonadi... kinda works after years of prodding |
| 10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
such a consummate consumer this guy. |
| 10:22 |
punkman |
thickasthieves: I got code that can fetch ticker/trade data from dozens of exchanges |
| 10:22 |
thickasthieves |
punkman, this is kinda what cell phone OS are doing |
| 10:22 |
jurov |
such overarching systems are usable only for incredibly patient people like me |
| 10:22 |
punkman |
been wanting to put it into use |
| 10:22 |
thickasthieves |
when you search on android it digs into all kindsa shit |
| 10:23 |
thickasthieves |
punkman, are you capable of turning that into something that can output a custom file to feed into Metatrader or such? |
| 10:23 |
nubbins` |
ios/spotlight search too |
| 10:23 |
punkman |
yes |
| 10:23 |
thickasthieves |
and capable of serving such a chart on a website like bitcoinwisdom? |
| 10:24 |
thickasthieves |
(not bitcoinwisdom of course) |
| 10:24 |
punkman |
that'd take some time, lots of javascripts |
| 10:24 |
punkman |
unless I can export from metatrader |
| 10:24 |
thickasthieves |
i think traders would gobble it up |
| 10:24 |
thickasthieves |
a live aggragate chart with customizable tickboxes for exchanges |
| 10:24 |
thickasthieves |
aggregate |
| 10:24 |
punkman |
yeah and maybe sockets people can subscribe to |
| 10:25 |
bounce |
you built that fetch code? |
| 10:25 |
thickasthieves |
this was partly within my ideas for Coinflow, before bitcoin play exchanges all died |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the risk, you put the work in, "traders" love it, then it turns out the "traders" are 500 redditards all sunk to the hilt in bitfinex/bitjam/whatever |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
then you make fiddy bitcents off them and a well. |
| 10:26 |
thickasthieves |
if you establish the user base, then you can become the dominant index provider |
| 10:27 |
thickasthieves |
Coindesk seems on this path, but theyre bound to fuck it up |
| 10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
you won't become the dominant index provider because people who matter don't chart and people who chart don't matter. |
| 10:29 |
thickasthieves |
but everyone wants to know the price |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
you will become the reddit index provider, which is not how you feed that market. you don't make goof stuff for the consumers, you make cheap shitty stuff for them |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
then hire people to tell them how it's all okay. |
| 10:29 |
thickasthieves |
lol |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
everyone does want to know the price, but a speshal few know you wouldn't know anyway. |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
this being kinda why all the however many exchange feed centralizers went nowhere. |
| 10:29 |
thickasthieves |
should there not be someone who is trying hardest to discern the price? |
| 10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
putting most work into != trying hardest necessarily. besides, what's this hardest, taking exchange feeds ? |
| 10:31 |
thickasthieves |
maybe mapping otc in there, trying to pry info from people like coinbase or bitpay, i dunno |
| 10:31 |
thickasthieves |
ur right tho |
| 10:31 |
thickasthieves |
other turdtards are already on this |
| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
not to be a parade pisser, but there's problems lurking. |
| 10:31 |
thickasthieves |
Winkdex |
| 10:31 |
thickasthieves |
Coindesk, etc |
| 10:31 |
thickasthieves |
i got off track anyway |
| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
generally what everyone thinks is the thing to do is wrong, which is why the "never compete in saturated markets" advice's served me so well over the years. |
| 10:31 |
thickasthieves |
the idea was to make the feeds managable |
| 10:32 |
thickasthieves |
not to curate |
| 10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe my needs are unrepresentative, but i find they're served equally well by any of the older providers. bitcoincharts, bitcoinity, whatevers. |
| 10:32 |
thickasthieves |
true, this is more of a trader thing |
| 10:33 |
thickasthieves |
stemming from, |
| 10:33 |
thickasthieves |
there are big players working across exchanges |
| 10:33 |
thickasthieves |
so volume on one is far from representative |
| 10:34 |
thickasthieves |
so if you are attempting to chart or even look at trends or volume alone, you relaly need the whole picture |
| 10:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.0008034 = 16.55 BTC [+] |
| 10:34 |
thickasthieves |
i do understand this is still a limited spectrum |
| 10:34 |
thickasthieves |
but it's the spectrum in which traders play |
| 10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves do you understand that as dubious as charts are generally, which we won't rehash, at least generally there's the atomic market ? |
| 10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
whereas for all you know in bitcoin twelve whales get together in a secret chan somehwere and that's how the price moves ? |
| 10:35 |
thickasthieves |
sure, i meant this with the spectrum comments |
| 10:35 |
thickasthieves |
i'm not commenting on whether its just a shared delusion |
| 10:35 |
thickasthieves |
that doesnt matter |
| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
girls just wanna have fun ? |
| 10:35 |
thickasthieves |
cuz, well, everything is |
| 10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
mno. |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
not everything is. that's the essential point. |
| 10:36 |
thickasthieves |
i'm being hyper abstract |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
lol what's that ? |
| 10:36 |
thickasthieves |
well things only matter in a context |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
okay. |
| 10:37 |
thickasthieves |
and the more contexts you fractalize, the less they matter to the outside |
| 10:37 |
thickasthieves |
with the outer being total meaninglessness |
| 10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
what's to fractalize ? |
| 10:37 |
thickasthieves |
encapsulate smaller contexts |
| 10:37 |
thickasthieves |
paradigms |
| 10:38 |
thickasthieves |
in the end we're all just floating muck, without context |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
you gonna get butthurt if i tell you your though process would drastically benefit from more rigor ? |
| 10:39 |
thickasthieves |
nope |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
good, cuz it would. |
| 10:39 |
thickasthieves |
itd help if i knew what you meant tho |
| 10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
somehow i've never noticed it before, but chicks in this country have positively gorgeous hair |
| 10:40 |
xiando |
It doesn't matter if you really are 12+ whales on some private IRC channel, you can't just set the price anyway. |
| 10:40 |
thickasthieves |
are you just saying, stop spouting bullshit and read more books? |
| 10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
xiando o, no ? http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/ ? http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-how-much-i-rule-today/ ? |
| 10:41 |
assbot |
In which noobs learn lessons and pay for the privilege pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 10:41 |
assbot |
This is how much I rule (today) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves not at all. i mean something quite specific : |
| 10:41 |
adlai |
spouting bullshit is OK, as long as you curate it a bit better than just letting assbot dump it all in a text file |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
you say "hyper abstract". this is like in code, calling function X. compiler (me) goes wait, wut ? so you go "function X () { random banal shit; }" |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
now, it's entirely your privilege, as the human in this relationship, to define function x any way you please |
| 10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
but the particular definition you gave indicates to the compiler, were the compiler human, that a) you hadn't considered it before using it and b) as defined prolly doesn't serve you in any sense. |
| 10:43 |
thickasthieves |
i gave it such a name for this reason |
| 10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
how's that work ? |
| 10:43 |
thickasthieves |
as i knew i was about to explain something as i thought it, but i also knew it was a concept in my head from the past but which i have never articulated in words |
| 10:44 |
bounce |
something like abstract algebra. do math to numbers only forget about the numbers. |
| 10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves obviously i can appreciate thinking is a process, and one has to make sense of one's [intellectual] history, etc. |
| 10:44 |
thickasthieves |
in case you havent noticed i like to explore the space in between things, and question the extremes |
| 10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
that's not in question. |
| 10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a matter of methodology not of scope. the how, not the what. |
| 10:45 |
thickasthieves |
this often puts my in either a devils advocate position, or stranded |
| 10:45 |
adlai |
"write drunk, edit sober" |
| 10:45 |
thickasthieves |
me |
| 10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
lol who's that, hemingway ? |
| 10:45 |
adlai |
indeed! |
| 10:45 |
bounce |
in this case I have no idea what you're on about |
| 10:45 |
thickasthieves |
lol |
| 10:45 |
thickasthieves |
tldr |
| 10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce just a little defensive, because not erryday gets to discuss his headpenis, and in public to boot! |
| 10:45 |
thickasthieves |
i was merely saying that this aggregate chart idea was for traders and thats ok |
| 10:46 |
thickasthieves |
even if traders are delusional |
| 10:46 |
thickasthieves |
they have chosen their paradigm |
| 10:46 |
bounce |
eh, maybe. |
| 10:46 |
adlai |
why not sell it to the SEC for when they want to regulate bitcoin markets |
| 10:46 |
mircea_popescu |
so have camwhores ? what is this. |
| 10:46 |
* |
bounce had been playing with the idea of an aggregator. didn't get around to actually do it though. |
| 10:47 |
bounce |
it's a good place to sit, business model-wise. |
| 10:47 |
adlai |
how exactly? |
| 10:48 |
thickasthieves |
what charts do camwhores need? |
| 10:49 |
adlai |
camwhores could probably use some quality analytics |
| 10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
camwhores are expert anatitics. |
| 10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
because i never noticed as many flaws an dproblems in a woman as when sitting with a coupla camhos watching her. |
| 10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
half the shit wasn't even there. |
| 10:50 |
thickasthieves |
funny story, an ex client, against my advice, moved to a notoriously bad (cheap) web guy, |
| 10:50 |
thickasthieves |
yesterday their domain expired and now points to pornhub |
| 10:50 |
thickasthieves |
council on Aging |
| 10:50 |
thickasthieves |
just launched their capital campaign |
| 10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 10:51 |
thickasthieves |
so all these old fogies are watching bj vids now |
| 10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
best thing for em. |
| 10:51 |
thickasthieves |
probly better than worrying about when Meals on Wheels will be by |
| 10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, i have a metal hand press, and a pile of oranges. so im going to make myself some freshly squeezed orange juice and douse it in the local cognac. |
| 10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone want anything ? |
| 10:52 |
ben_vulpes |
30 btc and a testing framework for 0.5.3 |
| 10:52 |
adlai |
screwdriver pls |
| 10:52 |
bounce |
you got a teleporter? |
| 10:52 |
adlai |
made with cheap potato vodka |
| 10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
well no, but there's airplanes where you ppls live neh ? |
| 10:52 |
bounce |
if so, sure, why not |
| 10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
onus on the customer, that's the mpex way! |
| 10:53 |
bounce |
local airport is closed. nice long tarmac strip though, so send over the bitcoin jet. |
| 10:53 |
thickasthieves |
when can i have 3d printed jack&coke? |
| 10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
that doesn't taste like bottled tarmac ? |
| 10:54 |
adlai |
see now that is real fertile territory for innovation |
| 10:55 |
bounce |
bottled tarmac? |
| 10:55 |
adlai |
analyze jack&coke, engineer enzymes targeting its contents, put them in yeast and feast |
| 10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce well 3d printing is mostly toothpaste sculpture, except with plastic. |
| 10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
(am i the only one into toothpaste art around the age of 5 or so ?) |
| 10:59 |
adlai |
well i did notice at one point that squeezing my asshole while pooping could theoretically sculpt the resulting turd, kinda like a lathe |
| 11:00 |
adlai |
then i began drinking coffee and my turds are now denser than depleted uranium |
| 11:01 |
thickasthieves |
lol |
| 11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
so coffee depletes the uranium in your got ? |
| 11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
gut* |
| 11:01 |
adlai |
"chemical printing" gets tossed around as the next step in automated manufacturing |
| 11:02 |
ben_vulpes |
sounds like your typical semi fab. |
| 11:02 |
adlai |
bounce: so you could theoretically "chemically print" the composition of any drink, medicine, poison, drug, explosive, etc |
| 11:02 |
bounce |
squirt acid on pcbs with an inkjet and skip the whole masking thing? |
| 11:02 |
ben_vulpes |
also, your typical us "food product" fab. |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
adlai and what it means is, "even cheaper furniture and finishings for the us mortgage mouse" |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, it |
| 11:02 |
adlai |
well, semi fab is using chemicals to manufacture a physical design |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
'll just be for cheap toys, nightstand knobs that sorta thing. |
| 11:03 |
ben_vulpes |
i really don't see the difference. |
| 11:03 |
adlai |
"chemical printing" (which doesn't exist yet, afaik) is about using sufficiently advanced technology to manufacture specific chemicals |
| 11:03 |
thickasthieves |
nude self portait figurines, etc |
| 11:03 |
ben_vulpes |
vlsi or crappy door handle... |
| 11:03 |
bounce |
on-demand printing of otherwise unobtanium and expensivium parts is kinda useful though |
| 11:03 |
ben_vulpes |
like dna base pairs in bulk? |
| 11:03 |
adlai |
yes |
| 11:03 |
ben_vulpes |
p sure that's a thing already. |
| 11:03 |
adlai |
well, maybe for DNA base pairs |
| 11:03 |
ben_vulpes |
but i been out of the atoms biz for a while now. |
| 11:04 |
bounce |
dna printing. grow result in petri dish. cook. serve as dinner. |
| 11:04 |
ben_vulpes |
cocaine? |
| 11:04 |
adlai |
but not for arbitrary compounds |
| 11:04 |
ben_vulpes |
thc? |
| 11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves i had a bet with a younger, entrepreneur friend, which went that if automatic "make clone of your own penis" and "test yourself for all diseases" kits appear at the same time, the former'll oversell the latter. |
| 11:04 |
adlai |
insulin? |
| 11:04 |
adlai |
epinephrine? |
| 11:04 |
ben_vulpes |
spider silk componds in goat bladders? |
| 11:04 |
bounce |
somehow I think I'll prefer food the old fashioned way |
| 11:04 |
adlai |
now we're talking! |
| 11:04 |
ben_vulpes |
it's all a matter of demand, the tooling is out there. |
| 11:05 |
ben_vulpes |
a fact conveniently overlooked by populist health preachers. |
| 11:05 |
thickasthieves |
You can haz TWO penises now! |
| 11:05 |
bounce |
lots of tools out there |
| 11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
Print-A-Girlfriend OneStopShop & Kinko's. |
| 11:05 |
thickasthieves |
you can screw your gf in all holes at once |
| 11:05 |
thickasthieves |
it's like youre really there |
| 11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
| 11:05 |
adlai |
well what would you do with the extra cock |
| 11:05 |
bounce |
we'd be back with the whole eugenics problem, only with a different face on it |
| 11:06 |
adlai |
it needs to get stitched in somewhere |
| 11:06 |
adlai |
you can't just print a cock and start waving it around like a dildo |
| 11:06 |
thickasthieves |
well you print extra cock with handles of course |
| 11:07 |
thickasthieves |
you can have a strap-on of ur own dick to do both holes |
| 11:07 |
adlai |
this is more a challenge of neuroscience and plastic surgery |
| 11:07 |
jurov |
http://www.boycottlinux.org/ << asciilifeform don't read |
| 11:07 |
assbot |
boycott Linux |
| 11:07 |
jurov |
he'll be fuming half day from that |
| 11:08 |
adlai |
i'm already pissed from the lack of hyperlinked endnotes |
| 11:08 |
bounce |
pissed? bit early, no. |
| 11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
somewhat related : http://33.media.tumblr.com/31a8b25182400990210c3693b5dad84f/tumblr_n9qte4DDut1sgoh5do2_400.gif << this is exactly civilisation |
| 11:09 |
mats_cd03 |
until now, i had never considered DPing a woman with a 3D print of my own dong |
| 11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
keep the natural away, use the replica. |
| 11:09 |
mats_cd03 |
isnt modern life great? |
| 11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 whatever you do, don't do the bj kiss. it'll ruin "traditional" life for you. |
| 11:10 |
jurov |
soon the replicas will be able to transmit feelings |
| 11:10 |
mats_cd03 |
i try to discretely offer a glass of water |
| 11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov first, diseases. |
| 11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
then feelings. |
| 11:11 |
mats_cd03 |
not that i don't enjoy the taste of my own dong, just... i don't |
| 11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 no, not that one. the one where you kiss a girl while the other sucks you off. |
| 11:11 |
jurov |
lolk |
| 11:11 |
adlai |
"Linux's spread... reinvents the flat tire" nice |
| 11:12 |
mats_cd03 |
doing two at once seems like a lot of work |
| 11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 only if you think of them. |
| 11:12 |
mats_cd03 |
like... do you stop for a snack? |
| 11:12 |
mats_cd03 |
i'd be exhausted. |
| 11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
i stop for a snack anyway !? |
| 11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce: so, is there any data anywhere of the efficacy and efficiency of KYC and AML reg implementations? << nope. |
| 11:16 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: herr poettering owns a copy of 'sed' and a small sense of humour - but very little talent, turns out. |
| 11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
much like the tsa bs, it's never been reviewed. |
| 11:18 |
thickasthieves |
well nothing to review, it's not a service to the people, it's a service to the gov |
| 11:19 |
thickasthieves |
the internet makes crime easier, and US just wants to make sure they are the ones having it easy |
| 11:19 |
mircea_popescu |
but i like how bounce's legal mind works. seriously, contrary to all the pretense of the entrenched "profession" to the contrary, being a lawyer is EXACTLY being a coder, nothing different at all, let alone substantially different is taught in law school. the ONLY difference is that the hardware is very limited and the api incredibly old and terribly buggy. |
| 11:19 |
mircea_popescu |
course "loophole" doesn't have the same sound to it as "bug" does. |
| 11:19 |
asciilifeform |
attention turdatronic engineers: |
| 11:19 |
asciilifeform |
left turd syncing overnight, at bh ~= 252450, exhausted ram (8g) |
| 11:19 |
asciilifeform |
leakatron. |
| 11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform o yea. |
| 11:20 |
thickasthieves |
you remove patches, it leaks |
| 11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
| 11:20 |
asciilifeform |
anyone running 'bare' 0.5.3 ? |
| 11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, anyone willing to work with an incredibly intricately documented ad-hoc algol is more than welcome to be a lawyer. all it takes really. |
| 11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
adlai: "The system, akin to an X-ray machine for the stock market" Here we see the useless metaphor in its natural habitat, a NYtimes article << lol, quite. at least salon and the rest of the sew crowd make their metaphores pointedly wrong, rather than useless. |
| 11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
"The U.S. and the European Union have imposed several rounds of crippling sanctions against Moscow" << lolmkay. |
| 11:24 |
asciilifeform |
didn't point out, crippling - who |
| 11:25 |
asciilifeform |
*whom |
| 11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform myeah. writing for your audience, worst fucking idea ever. |
| 11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
also this is why english is the international language whereas russian is not : english allows two parties to reach a "mutual conclusion" which they can both live with. |
| 11:26 |
adlai |
why doesn't russian? |
| 11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
russians : "The U.S. and the European Union have imposed several rounds of crippling sanctions against Moscow" ; nato : "The U.S. and the European Union have imposed several rounds of crippling sanctions against Moscow". |
| 11:28 |
mircea_popescu |
but in russian : США и Европейский союз ввели несколько раундов санкций против Москвы парализует себя. / США и Европейский союз ввели несколько раундов санкций сокрушительный Москву. |
| 11:29 |
asciilifeform |
'google translate' died for mircea_popescu's sins |
| 11:29 |
mircea_popescu |
:D |
| 11:29 |
adlai |
"US and European Union have introduced several rounds of sanctions against Moscow paralyze yourself" |
| 11:30 |
mircea_popescu |
wait wut ? |
| 11:30 |
mircea_popescu |
sebya = yourself now ?! |
| 11:30 |
adlai |
google translate of : until / |
| 11:32 |
adlai |
best mistranslation I've seen recently was a cop booking a swiss friend for rear-ending another car in massachusets |
| 11:34 |
adlai |
swiss guy's license is all in Deutsch, natürlich, so our brilliant state trooper scribbles in huge block letters in the accident report: "DUTCH LICENSE NUMBER 123456" |
| 11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves: So if the SEC is enabling some traders to get early info, will the SEC fine the SEC? << funny how that works eh. |
| 11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google hungary is a country turkey |
| 11:34 |
gribble |
A blonde and a 3rd grade geography question - Snotr: <http://www.snotr.com/video/675/A_blonde_and_a_3rd_grade_geography_question>; Relations between Turkey and Hungary - Ministry of Foreign Affairs: <http://www.mfa.gov.tr/relations-between-turkey-and-hungary.en.mfa>; Can she be THAT stupid? - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cey35bBWXls> |
| 11:34 |
mats_cd03 |
;;ticker |
| 11:34 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 337.26, Best ask: 338.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.74000, Last trade: 338.0, 24 hour volume: 10893.91462845, 24 hour low: 332.99, 24 hour high: 344.22, 24 hour vwap: 338.382085275 |
| 11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.people.com/people/kellie_pickler/ << related. |
| 11:35 |
assbot |
Kellie Pickler : People.com |
| 11:36 |
asciilifeform |
so, no one ever put the cursed thing through 'valgrind' or the like? |
| 11:36 |
asciilifeform |
i'm supposed to believe this? |
| 11:36 |
adlai |
satoshi was a visionary artist, not an engineer |
| 11:36 |
asciilifeform |
satoshackson pollack |
| 11:37 |
adlai |
looking over his original code... i'm almost surprised he didn't write in pascal |
| 11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2014#893892 |
| 11:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-10-2014 20:23:36; mircea_popescu: nobody that knows how to use valgrind. |
| 11:38 |
adlai |
well odin probably does, and a handful of grunts handling the sweaty work |
| 11:38 |
asciilifeform |
there is also the possibility that this shit is too much like work, and that is the explanation. |
| 11:38 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman: I've always thought the drainholes under keyboard in Lenovo machines were a great idea, haven't had a chance to test it though <<< this is the train of thought that ends up with keyboard rats. |
| 11:39 |
* |
asciilifeform was recently issued just such a machine by the fellow he works for. had an interesting 'face' when saw the holes. |
| 11:40 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform anyway, as you well know, easy to make small holes while writing c++. in fact, the best use of c++ might be irrigation systesm. |
| 11:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"our holes never plug!" |
| 11:40 |
kakobrekla |
calm down, not all holes are made for fucking. |
| 11:41 |
adlai |
this is not the attitude that put a robot on mars |
| 11:41 |
asciilifeform |
now it's fucking around aimlessly while trying to pull blocks |
| 11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla: want wot? fix python. << want food ? invent deer! |
| 11:41 |
adlai |
import deer |
| 11:42 |
mircea_popescu |
dub weiser ? |
| 11:42 |
gernika |
Is there a seminal discussion on deeds/deedbot I can read up on? |
| 11:42 |
* |
adlai tried making a python joke |
| 11:42 |
kakobrekla |
adlai not compatible python 3 |
| 11:43 |
xiando |
only 170 btc from 20k short at BFX \o/ |
| 11:43 |
adlai |
they broke import!? |
| 11:44 |
adlai |
xiando: is anybody correlating swap market moves with market sells? |
| 11:44 |
thickasthieves |
"Her charming babe-in-the-woods persona also contributed to her post-Idol success" lol |
| 11:44 |
mircea_popescu |
gernika it's in the logs, yeah. |
| 11:45 |
xiando |
adlai: You see it clearly on bfxdata, like 2 hours ago there was a 1600 BTC trade where you clearly see both USD and BTC margin take spikes |
| 11:45 |
asciilifeform |
does phoundation's latest turd leak? |
| 11:45 |
xiando |
most swap taken is either used directly or within hours |
| 11:45 |
thickasthieves |
pankkake says .9 is where it's at |
| 11:48 |
adlai |
xiando: eyeballing correlations is nice, but it's just eyeballing... then again, this is just my kneejerk distrust of eyeballs rather than any concrete reason to suspect there's a problem with this approach |
| 11:49 |
mircea_popescu |
gernika http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2014#718931 starts there. |
| 11:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-06-2014 11:59:24; mircea_popescu: so based on mike_c's discussion last night, i think i have a very good addition to b-a kako. it'd go like this : |
| 11:50 |
gernika |
mircea_popescu great thanks |
| 11:50 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789340 latter reprise. and there's a pastebin with the actual spec too. |
| 11:50 |
assbot |
Logged on 11-08-2014 00:24:04; mircea_popescu: Jason the idea is to expand current bitcoin-assets functionality with a register of deeds. |
| 11:50 |
punkman |
gernika, this should explain a lot http://dpaste.com/05YF5VH |
| 11:50 |
assbot |
dpaste: 05YF5VH |
| 11:50 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ever plugged the leak in your secret magic turd? |
| 11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform mine doesn't leak, no. |
| 11:51 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: care to share even this patch? |
| 11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
but my dear man, it isn't A patch. |
| 11:52 |
xiando |
adlai: I actually do not get what you mean or why you are wondering if there is a colleration, if you short sell 1000 BTC then you borrow 1000 BTC so obviously swaps increase when the sell happens. |
| 11:52 |
* |
asciilifeform knew it, mircea_popescu is running own gadget. |
| 11:52 |
asciilifeform |
why are we polishing turd again...? |
| 11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform there's at least two holes still extant to this day, i thought i said at some point |
| 11:53 |
thickasthieves |
why does this whole deeds, b-a form, sending 1btc to urself, hash, thing make me think about colored coins? |
| 11:53 |
mircea_popescu |
no idea ? |
| 11:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.0008034 = 8.1545 BTC [+] |
| 11:56 |
thickasthieves |
does it already serve the purpose? |
| 11:57 |
thickasthieves |
it essentially lets you attach a "hash" to a token and tx, which is just a hyperlink to stored data elsewhere i think |
| 11:58 |
* |
asciilifeform wondering if pankkake starved |
| 11:58 |
asciilifeform |
see also http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html |
| 11:58 |
assbot |
Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive |
| 11:59 |
thickasthieves |
http://blog.coinprism.com/2014/09/04/colorcore-open-source-wallet-for-open-assets/ |
| 11:59 |
assbot |
Announcing Colorcore: an open source wallet for Open Assets - Coinprism Blog |
| 12:00 |
thickasthieves |
yay! http://www.coindesk.com/jon-matonis-resigns-bitcoin-foundation-executive-director/ |
| 12:00 |
assbot |
Jon Matonis Resigns As Bitcoin Foundation Executive Director |
| 12:00 |
mircea_popescu |
in the sense that braindamaged implementations of nothing in particular are similar to actually useful implementations on the same basis, then yes, all c code reminds one of all c code and deeds of colored coins |
| 12:01 |
thickasthieves |
was onlybringing it up in case their stuff can be repurposed to save time |
| 12:01 |
thickasthieves |
a bit lately probly anywya |
| 12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman: yeah I love that I'm running "develop" versions for all major pieces (supybot, electrum) <<< real manhood. |
| 12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves i wouldn't touch it anyway. |
| 12:01 |
thickasthieves |
"Matonis has served as the head of the bitcoin industry's oldest trade organisation since July 2013" |
| 12:02 |
thickasthieves |
oldest trade org |
| 12:02 |
thickasthieves |
lol |
| 12:02 |
mircea_popescu |
we're here in the process of reimplementing the world because we don't trust one set of turdmeisters, you expect code will be reused from an even derpier set ? |
| 12:03 |
mircea_popescu |
<thickasthieves> oldest trade org <<< check it out, they're aware bitcoin foundation is going to destroy bitcoin scamfoundation. |
| 12:03 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman: so pack of tobacco from corner store, 4-5eur from 17gr, bag of tobacco from guy I know, 20eur for 1kg. << srsly, you're too useful to be smoking by the kg. |
| 12:03 |
thickasthieves |
lol ur like the annoying kid that always wins |
| 12:04 |
thickasthieves |
stahp! |
| 12:04 |
adlai |
xiando: btc swaps go into short selling btcusd, but also margin longing ltcbtc, th1btc. some also get reserved and not used immediately |
| 12:04 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves lol but i have 30+ year's experience at it! |
| 12:04 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> why are we polishing turd again...? << only way there is. |
| 12:05 |
adlai |
xanthyos: another scenario: i place a margin bid. you market sell. usd swaps go up, but the market has dropped. does this show up in an eyeballing of the charts? |
| 12:05 |
thickasthieves |
adlai, most of the swaps are taken up by swap dealers, and more likely, bfx itself |
| 12:05 |
xanthyos |
? |
| 12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
!up buytoshi |
| 12:05 |
adlai |
sorry, both messages were for xiando |
| 12:05 |
xanthyos |
ok |
| 12:06 |
thickasthieves |
only one x name per room, wtf |
| 12:06 |
adlai |
eyeballing is probably effective for reasonably accurate big picture view, especially in a situation like bfx, where most volume is in a single market |
| 12:06 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`: it's like having a part-time job where you get paid to not show up <<< you're like one step away from being a mobster don. which is what that job is. |
| 12:07 |
adlai |
but at some point i'd like to algorithmically snarf this data, and i wonder occasionally how exactly to correlate between all these feeds |
| 12:08 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903160 << what script is this about ? |
| 12:08 |
assbot |
Logged on 30-10-2014 13:20:00; thickasthieves: pankkake says hello: "That’s not an “update”, please avoid associating your nonsense with my script. Your “solution” provides no easy maintenance and comes with greater hardware requirements (as with anything pre-0.8), but I suppose you guys are pretty much clueless on this. Also conveniently forgetting that 0.9 introduced the possibility of disabling the wallet functionality |
| 12:09 |
thickasthieves |
mp, next is link |
| 12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"Its like talking to a wall. Theres no use arguing with a cult." |
| 12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 12:10 |
thickasthieves |
thats why he does it? |
| 12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"i can't convince you people that 3 = 4 it's like talking to a wall you're a cult wah wah" |
| 12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
what the shit even. |
| 12:10 |
thickasthieves |
mad at the world |
| 12:10 |
thickasthieves |
“The scenario of deflation is not there, because indeed we don’t consider that deflation is going to happen,” said the ECB’s vice-president, Vitor Constancio, ECB |
| 12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, i still duno wtf script. what script ? |
| 12:11 |
thickasthieves |
pete mentions it, sec |
| 12:11 |
thickasthieves |
ah |
| 12:11 |
thickasthieves |
it's the script pankkake made to run a node |
| 12:11 |
thickasthieves |
pete modified it |
| 12:11 |
thickasthieves |
and pankkake says he dumb |
| 12:11 |
thickasthieves |
http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/10/guide-to-setting-up-a-remote-bitcoin-node-for-20-per-year/ |
| 12:11 |
assbot |
Guide To Setting Up A Remote Bitcoin Node For $20 Per Year | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
| 12:12 |
thickasthieves |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867680 |
| 12:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 10-10-2014 16:49:26; pete_dushenski: 0.9.3 is obviously dirt but how would one go about installing 0.6.x on a vps? |
| 12:13 |
undata |
what openssl version is the 0.5.3 fork being built against? |
| 12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
well, left a comment, doesn't show. |
| 12:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pastebin.com/LLMWKukj in case pete actually loses it. |
| 12:17 |
assbot |
Neither arguing something stupidly nor arguing for something stupid gives one li - Pastebin.com |
| 12:18 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves: " Whether one is a US-based exchange or not doesn't decide whether one needs to register. The question is whether a company has clients in the US or not. If so, they are subject to regulations of that jurisdiction." << utter bullshit. |
| 12:18 |
mircea_popescu |
i will NOT register with anyone ever on the guise that they can't keep their cattle in line. |
| 12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
this is like pretending that ranchers must register with one another because the cattle strays on their land and eats their grass. |
| 12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
gtfo before i start shooting. |
| 12:20 |
thickasthieves |
granted, though i realize now the quote is missing a bit of context, I think he was more pointing out that you could operate in the US, outwardly |
| 12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't likle us citizens betting on bitbet, put fucking dildos in their chairs. |
| 12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves no such thing. |
| 12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
they don't like it, close the borders. |
| 12:20 |
thickasthieves |
thats why i found it interesting |
| 12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
they want the border open ? lube up and moan with the music. |
| 12:21 |
mircea_popescu |
the world is not a us subject. the us is a subject in this relationship. an incredibly cheeky one, to boot. |
| 12:21 |
thickasthieves |
would they let me run SR from here if i only sold to Russians? |
| 12:21 |
mircea_popescu |
such broken. |
| 12:23 |
mircea_popescu |
ahh logs done. |
| 12:23 |
mircea_popescu |
this is so easier when y'all don't go fucking crazy with the keyboards! |
| 12:23 |
thickasthieves |
what happens if you apply this thought to S.nsa, it's safe only to sell encryption devices for btc from US, not to? nope... |
| 12:23 |
thickasthieves |
it's all so fukn retarded |
| 12:25 |
thickasthieves |
random thought, reading qntra this morning, i pictured 5 years in the future, where it was the craigslist of localized anarchonews |
| 12:25 |
thickasthieves |
california.qntra.net, etc |
| 12:25 |
thickasthieves |
just a thought... |
| 12:27 |
bounce |
florida.qntra.net, where everything happens |
| 12:32 |
xiando |
mircea_popescu, if US laws apply in practice if you serve US citizens or not is basically a question of where you are, really. If you are in this country and the US tells the regime they want you then you're just picked up and put on a plane and maby, if you are very lucky, someone in the regime will bother to ask why they want you |
| 12:33 |
xiando |
It is like property rights locally, you are supposed to have them but you don't anymore |
| 12:35 |
asciilifeform |
thickasthieves: for btc from US << i expect to be gassed at some point (or to escape, but that's a pipe dream currently.) |
| 12:36 |
thickasthieves |
underground railroad your way to me, i have an empty house atm ;) |
| 12:36 |
asciilifeform |
thickasthieves: why would slave take the railroad to a slave territory? |
| 12:36 |
thickasthieves |
well you can train wherever you want, but you gotta make stops |
| 12:37 |
asciilifeform |
thickasthieves: i think i explained on, possibly 10+ occasions, the hard part is not the airplane (i even bought one of those arse-search passes we spoke of.) |
| 12:38 |
asciilifeform |
any idiot can scrape together a few pennies and get on an airplane. |
| 12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
xiando not really that simple, but anyway. |
| 12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
ever saw this one http://libertymaven.com/wp-content/uploads/bird_swallowing_choking_frog.png ? |
| 12:40 |
asciilifeform |
i think i posted that here at one point. |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
<bounce> florida.qntra.net, where everything happens moar like, orangecounty.florida.qntra.net ? |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
http://the-legion-of-decency.blogspot.com.ar/2010/05/sometimes-dragon-wins.html |
| 12:44 |
assbot |
The Legion of Decency: Sometimes The Dragon Wins |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking execution squad for bikers, i tell you that right off. |
| 12:45 |
thickasthieves |
if you forget the email addy for an admin in Wordpress, how to password reset? |
| 12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
should be a little link on the page. |
| 12:47 |
thickasthieves |
ah shit, it's an email box that doesnt ecist |
| 12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
so change it in the mysql. |
| 12:47 |
thickasthieves |
i figured out the email, it's a dead one :/ |
| 12:47 |
xiando |
change it in the db if you have access to it |
| 12:47 |
thickasthieves |
i do, though only a lil experience |
| 12:47 |
bounce |
no execution squads for road users, thanks. |
| 12:47 |
thickasthieves |
do you know what records i'm diggin for? |
| 12:48 |
* |
bounce doesn't really understand the animosity between bikes and cars, though. seems to be a north american thing. |
| 12:48 |
asciilifeform |
;;google gold plated car |
| 12:48 |
gribble |
This Gold-Plated Lamborghini Model Car Will Set You Back $7.5 ...: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/gold-plated-lamborghini_n_3942473.html>; Gold Touch Inc mobile gold plating: <http://goldtouchinc.com/mobile-24k-plating/>; World's most expensive car? £4million gold Lamborghini ... - Daily Mail: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2768199/Is-world-s-expensive- (1 more message) |
| 12:48 |
thickasthieves |
no one likes bicycles except cyclists |
| 12:48 |
asciilifeform |
fail |
| 12:48 |
gernika |
thx punkman |
| 12:49 |
asciilifeform |
(ancient essay on 'gold-plated cars', aka motorcycles, as moral hazard re: insurance) |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce easy to explain : all preditors have an innate hatred of fast moving, light items ; preditors are better suited than rumminants for life on earth. as a result, people on bikes are in a position ot annyo people in cars, and people in cars are in a position to give them what for. |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but the ruminants are really good at bleeting, and in the us currently that temporarily means something., |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
so there you go. otherwise, the "animosity" is properly resolved with bikers paying the fuck attention and being humble and apologetic all the time to everyone. |
| 12:50 |
xiando |
thickasthieves: wp_users table ID 1 |
| 12:50 |
asciilifeform |
elementary missing piece here - in many places in usa, a bicyclist is permitted to occupy a full lane. this slows traffic in the entire road to a crawl, very often, because now everyone is stuck in first gear. |
| 12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform seems a detail. |
| 12:51 |
asciilifeform |
important detail when you're in this type of 'funeral parade' every other day. |
| 12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
for sure. |
| 12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
just run them over. |
| 12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
it's what i tell my drivers, anyway. |
| 12:51 |
gernika |
I once ran over a bicyclist. She then got a ticket. |
| 12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
if it was anyone important, he'd be in a car. |
| 12:51 |
asciilifeform |
drivers also struggle to escape from the 'funeral' lane, hastily swap lanes to the left, and often collide |
| 12:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42727 @ 0.00080284 = 34.3029 BTC [-] {2} |
| 12:52 |
asciilifeform |
except in usa, just about everyone is in a car, king and slave |
| 12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, bikers in romania pissed me the fuck off. bikers here are actually pleasant, |
| 12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
except one time i nearly clobbered this purely retarded, english speaking middle aged woman. |
| 12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
so it's definitely education. |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
"According to the forensic report, the vehicle never exceeded an AVERAGE speed of 34 Kph." << gotta love these forensic reports. the never exceeded average ? lol |
| 12:55 |
asciilifeform |
other thing to remember is that sidewalks are not standard in usa. |
| 12:55 |
asciilifeform |
(no idea about ca) |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
scandalous, this. but they are standard in new england |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
they're just not standard in shitholes. |
| 12:56 |
asciilifeform |
'anyone important is always in a car' (tm) - remember |
| 12:57 |
asciilifeform |
or, so it was when these roads were built. |
| 12:57 |
asciilifeform |
hence - no sidewalk. |
| 12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform important. the notion that all the lemmings drive... meh. not really so great. |
| 12:57 |
asciilifeform |
direct interplay with housing bezzle |
| 12:57 |
asciilifeform |
the general magic number '1 hour commute' defines where usaschwitz inmate can work |
| 12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
and yet argentina has the world's widest street. |
| 12:58 |
xiando |
could actually be true if the vehicle had a constant speed of 34 Kph (such likely) |
| 12:59 |
asciilifeform |
those who are willing to pay the 'auto tax' into housing bezzle and get a 2-3x costlier flat, can live in special reservations where driving is optional. |
| 13:05 |
bounce |
that thing stinks quite a bit. |
| 13:06 |
asciilifeform |
as orlov pointed out, the u.s. bezzle consists of an iron 'car, house, job' triangle. |
| 13:09 |
asciilifeform |
in other news, turd firmly wedged at block height 252450. |
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| 13:20 |
thickasthieves |
looks like craigslist already does this kinda http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/rnr/4723589172.html |
| 13:20 |
assbot |
Death Row Inmate Asks For A Child As His Last Meal, Texas DOC Plan To |
| 13:20 |
thickasthieves |
hehe |
| 13:23 |
asciilifeform |
if only. |
| 13:24 |
asciilifeform |
(texas abolished the tradition of last meal in 2011) |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 13:39 |
thickasthieves |
adlai you watching this bfx action? |
| 13:40 |
thickasthieves |
!up adlai |
| 13:40 |
adlai |
oh thanks |
| 13:41 |
* |
adlai tries not to watch the markets when he's not actively tinkering with scalpl |
| 13:41 |
thickasthieves |
unusual stuff |
| 13:41 |
adlai |
these are some nice dumps though |
| 13:41 |
thickasthieves |
washing? |
| 13:42 |
adlai |
washing? |
| 13:42 |
thickasthieves |
selftrading |
| 13:42 |
kakobrekla |
what is this bfx action |
| 13:43 |
thickasthieves |
someone posting 1000btc bids, someone filling them all at once |
| 13:43 |
thickasthieves |
4 times now |
| 13:43 |
adlai |
anything is possible when you have such a wild west of unregulation |
| 13:44 |
thickasthieves |
http://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort.php |
| 13:44 |
assbot |
Bitfinex Short vs Long Swaps |
| 13:44 |
adlai |
well, if you're waiting around to sell a slippy amount, and liquidity appears, you'll take that opportunity |
| 13:48 |
kakobrekla |
there is even less (leveraged?) bids on bfx than on stamp |
| 13:50 |
kakobrekla |
<adlai> anything is possible when you have such a wild west of unregulation < noone can claim to be bitcoin 'insider' . that doesnt hold true for regualted markets. |
| 13:51 |
asciilifeform |
attention turdmasters: http://pastebin.com/ZeZGyAty |
| 13:51 |
assbot |
bitcoind retardation - Pastebin.com |
| 13:53 |
adlai |
dunno, maybe if we regulated bitcoin a little better, then we'd have proper insiders n stuff |
| 13:53 |
* |
xiando watches bfx |
| 13:54 |
ben_vulpes |
forgive my valgrind/c naivte, but i'm assuming that indirectly lost refers to memory that cannot be freed? |
| 13:54 |
asciilifeform |
the other thing is, i'm fairly certain this is not the end of the story: |
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| 13:54 |
asciilifeform |
the idiot db 'caching' also pisses away ram |
| 13:55 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: '"Indirectly lost". This covers cases 4 and 9 (for the BBB blocks) above. This means that the block is lost, not because there are no pointers to it, but rather because all the blocks that point to it are themselves lost. For example, if you have a binary tree and the root node is lost, all its children nodes will be indirectly lost. Because the problem will disappear if the definitely lost block tha |
| 13:55 |
asciilifeform |
t caused the indirect leak is fixed, Memcheck won't report such blocks individually by default.' << from manual |
| 13:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/mc-manual.html |
| 13:55 |
assbot |
Valgrind |
| 13:55 |
asciilifeform |
^ for n00bz |
| 13:57 |
asciilifeform |
does anyone know the cause of permanent blockchain wedging in 0.5.3 ? |
| 13:57 |
asciilifeform |
coughs up 'maptransactions prev not found' in log |
| 13:57 |
los_pantalones |
11k on the bid @ bfx now |
| 13:57 |
asciilifeform |
copiously |
| 13:57 |
los_pantalones |
wonder if this is the short swap closing |
| 13:57 |
xiando |
This DrewB closing? |
| 13:58 |
xiando |
(guy who bragged about having a 8k short position at BFX) |
| 14:00 |
nubbins` |
http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/02/14#l1329182475 |
| 14:00 |
assbot |
BitcoinStats |
| 14:00 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform ^ |
| 14:00 |
asciilifeform |
saw this. |
| 14:00 |
asciilifeform |
did not see anything useful |
| 14:00 |
ben_vulpes |
gratzi asciilifeform |
| 14:02 |
nubbins` |
nope |
| 14:02 |
nubbins` |
couple lonely forum posts |
| 14:03 |
nubbins` |
one guy says it started happening when he reverted from 0.6rc1 to 0.5.2 |
| 14:08 |
asciilifeform |
attn turdmasters: |
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| 14:09 |
asciilifeform |
presently i'm not getting the impression that anyone actually gives a sufficient fuck about this undertaking. |
| 14:10 |
mod6 |
why? |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
imho, the only way this will 'go anywhere' is either 1) mircea_popescu releases some 'declassified' portion of his in-house gadget, or 2) a free man takes up the torch of the turdlathe |
| 14:11 |
asciilifeform |
ultimately this is one of those things someone who gives enough of a damn - will have to pay for. |
| 14:11 |
ben_vulpes |
what? |
| 14:12 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: you're moving at a pretty high velocity. |
| 14:12 |
asciilifeform |
!s asciilifeform day job |
| 14:12 |
assbot |
17 results for 'asciilifeform day job' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=asciilifeform+day+job |
| 14:12 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: i've taken it far enough to demonstrate that a usable gadget will require actual work. |
| 14:13 |
ben_vulpes |
sure. |
| 14:13 |
asciilifeform |
and provided basic impetus for anyone who wishes, to take up the work |
| 14:13 |
asciilifeform |
who wishes, knows how, and has time... |
| 14:14 |
asciilifeform |
i can satisfy criterion 1 and 2. |
| 14:14 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes, as i gather, 1 and 3; mircea_popescu - 2 and 3. |
| 14:14 |
asciilifeform |
this thing needs 1+2+3. |
| 14:15 |
asciilifeform |
let the hero step up. |
| 14:15 |
* |
asciilifeform drives sword into stone. |
| 14:15 |
nubbins` |
LET THE HERO STEP UP |
| 14:15 |
* |
nubbins` cheers |
| 14:15 |
ben_vulpes |
that story had a what - century long incubation period? |
| 14:16 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: cheer with coin. |
| 14:16 |
* |
nubbins` paws blindly for a donation address |
| 14:16 |
asciilifeform |
jurov ^ |
| 14:17 |
nubbins` |
1blablablalblbalbalba doesnt pass checksum |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
i will provide a few tips to hero, gratis: |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
1) bdb and openssl deps have to die. |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
2) boost must also die, but this will require rewrite in totality |
| 14:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00079937 = 22.5822 BTC [-] {2} |
| 14:19 |
thickasthieves |
xiando, yes it is DrewR, but it's more like 15k+ coins, and he took the walls down |
| 14:19 |
asciilifeform |
3) gavin & the phoundation gang boobytrapped the blockchain in a number of ways that appear to interfere with reliable operation of classical nodes, these will have to be ferreted out |
| 14:20 |
thickasthieves |
he could just as easily post the walls as Asks too, using margin |
| 14:20 |
asciilifeform |
4) everyone remember the thread where mircea_popescu explained why none of the people who, through necessity, arrived at a functional bitcoind workalike, have shared it. |
| 14:21 |
asciilifeform |
(functional in our sense, not merely in the technical sense of 'appearing to work') |
| 14:21 |
xiando |
thickasthieves: thing is, I don't believe him for a second http://awesomescreenshot.com/0253rbni51 |
| 14:21 |
assbot |
TradingView: Free Stock Charts and Forex Charts Online. | Awesome Screenshot |
| 14:21 |
xiando |
thickasthieves: total of 18k short and we are to believe 16k is his, eh? |
| 14:22 |
xiando |
while total net shorts were reduced 2k during those 1k trades? |
| 14:23 |
asciilifeform |
5) if you think you have 'bitcoin career' or whateverthefuck, derping around with financitrons of whatever variety, and at the same time you're at the mercy of phoundation's turds and whatever direction they'll take them in, you're the goose waiting for christmas dinner. |
| 14:23 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: the argument "no benefit, some risk"? |
| 14:23 |
nubbins` |
!s 2ef25247 |
| 14:23 |
assbot |
0 results for '2ef25247' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=2ef25247 |
| 14:23 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: not enough to be willing to go on the expedition. also need pitons, tents, dogs, pemmican. |
| 14:23 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/matonis-to-resign-from-vessenes-bitcoin-foundation/ << Fuck me, of course CoinDesk gets the exclusive and the foundation blog has nothing. |
| 14:23 |
assbot |
Matonis to Resign from Vessenes Bitcoin Foundation | Qntra.net |
| 14:24 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: or, in this case, 1+2+3. |
| 14:24 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i'm referring to mp's reasoning as to why functional turdatrons are not published |
| 14:24 |
thickasthieves |
xiando his 16k were bids, and he mentioned he ha slike 6k in shorts, of course we've no reason to believe him |
| 14:24 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: they aren't published for the mundane reason of 'i paid $maxint for skyscraper, why should others live in it for nothing' |
| 14:24 |
asciilifeform |
as well as comsec considerations. |
| 14:25 |
asciilifeform |
if proposed 'benefit' is contributions of 'fixes' from strangers, that's a joke right off the bat |
| 14:25 |
xiando |
oh sorry and thanks thickasthieves I only got that screenshot from some & not context |
| 14:29 |
thickasthieves |
someone needs to eat his lunch, i dont have that kinda swing though |
| 14:31 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, others: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3217750625724755@naggum.net.html << basic intro to 'open source doesn't work.' --- 'we' have steaming heaps of shit instead of software because that's what 'we're' willing to pay for. |
| 14:31 |
assbot |
Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive |
| 14:31 |
ben_vulpes |
i can pay only in time. |
| 14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i confess i'm one of the sinful looking for a golden middle way |
| 14:32 |
asciilifeform |
don't get me wrong, if there liveth among us a hero who can piss out the required diamonds in his spare time, let him pull the sword out of the stone. |
| 14:32 |
asciilifeform |
but if it turns out that i am the only one here who even knows how to operate 'valgrind', 'gdb', etc. - you're SOL, fellas. |
| 14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
not what i mean tho. incidentally : that's rms gnu. he lies when he says that's foss. it's not. it's a particular attempt at a middle way, with him as the "modest" hero. |
| 14:33 |
thickasthieves |
asciilifeform, i heard TBF is looking for a new gavin |
| 14:33 |
asciilifeform |
thickasthieves: go sign up |
| 14:33 |
thickasthieves |
i'd probly do a better job |
| 14:33 |
thickasthieves |
and i dont even code |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves not under pressure. |
| 14:33 |
asciilifeform |
whatchawaitingfor then. |
| 14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
you're in the position of the wooden plank that's straighter than a bridge crossbeam. yes, now. |
| 14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
gavin did a pretty ok job in 2012, too. |
| 14:34 |
thickasthieves |
well i do have pm experience, itd be my only tool to tackle the job |
| 14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
then gunk starts piling up, and before you know it... you're praying nobody notioces. |
| 14:34 |
thickasthieves |
but i'm not interested anyway |
| 14:34 |
mats_cd03 |
is there a linter for iptables? |
| 14:35 |
los_pantalones |
the short is payin up right now |
| 14:35 |
los_pantalones |
335-340 trades couple thousand |
| 14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 wut is that ? you mean like lint for iptables ?! |
| 14:36 |
mats_cd03 |
i can't tell if we're on the same page. but yes. |
| 14:36 |
mircea_popescu |
as in "sanity check" ? |
| 14:36 |
asciilifeform |
to finish off my 'sword into the stone' speech - yes, i can do this. (turd lathe.) but - if i were to put in the time required, the hour would soon come that i could not pay electric bill. and then s.nsa, and turdatron, will have to summon the gnome rumplestilskin to work in my stead. while i boil in whatever pot in hell moiety and pankkake are cooking in. |
| 14:36 |
mircea_popescu |
csf has something iirc. |
| 14:36 |
mircea_popescu |
poor moiety ;/ |
| 14:36 |
thickasthieves |
drewr is market buying now |
| 14:37 |
thickasthieves |
this dude is askin for it |
| 14:37 |
mats_cd03 |
;;ticker |
| 14:37 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 339.85, Best ask: 340.88, Bid-ask spread: 1.03000, Last trade: 340.88, 24 hour volume: 10786.32003782, 24 hour low: 332.99, 24 hour high: 343.45, 24 hour vwap: 337.615467196 |
| 14:37 |
thickasthieves |
this is the tview chat btw https://www.tradingview.com/chat/#bitcoin |
| 14:37 |
assbot |
Chat - TradingView |
| 14:39 |
thickasthieves |
mp sometimes i wish you used your coins for evil |
| 14:39 |
thickasthieves |
like gobbling up whales |
| 14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pastebin.com/ZeZGyAty << something tells me that's just the beginning |
| 14:39 |
assbot |
bitcoind retardation - Pastebin.com |
| 14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves evil is a concept ulterior to mp and whales. |
| 14:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: that something being me, further down in log? |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ahaha word. |
| 14:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903759 |
| 14:40 |
assbot |
Logged on 30-10-2014 17:54:25; asciilifeform: the other thing is, i'm fairly certain this is not the end of the story: |
| 14:40 |
thickasthieves |
well subsititute evil for which ever word permits said action |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
64,000 (112 direct, 63,888 indirect) bytes in 1 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 62 of 77 << this tho |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
how do you lose 64000 exactly ? |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
why, by having an idiotic allocation policy. |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
how much of a buggy half implementation of a garbage collector is there in bitcoind ? |
| 14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, those 12 errors look like 6-10 different holes. |
| 14:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it's a cpp turd that also depends on similarly buggy cpp turds |
| 14:42 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. bdb |
| 14:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: may as well ask that i build a new sarcophagus for chernoble in my amazing! copious! free time. |
| 14:42 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
and make it snappy. |
| 14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
also, you can only use chocolate, provided it's ecologically sourced! |
| 14:43 |
asciilifeform |
fine soviet chocolate. |
| 14:44 |
asciilifeform |
(for n00bs to the subject, ussr never invented erzats chocolate, except towards the very end) |
| 14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
"that every man carries an endless, self-replenishing, delicious chocolate factory is simply a matter of perspective" ~ lenin. |
| 14:44 |
asciilifeform |
ahaha. |
| 14:44 |
joecool |
i figure i'll ask, any of you guys ever built gnupg2 into an initramfs? attempting to use a smartcard for luks |
| 14:44 |
* |
asciilifeform is not thrilled with the fact that poroshenko owns most of the remaining supply chain for proper 'soviet' chocolate, and the latter may soon be in short supply |
| 14:45 |
joecool |
hitting a wall with pinentry not drawing a pin dialog (using the curses form)... just bails out |
| 14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: does anyone know the cause of permanent blockchain wedging in 0.5.3 ? << i am pretty certain it's the bdb locks initialisation issue. |
| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: those 12 errors look like 6-10 different holes << also please remember that there is no deterministic full-walk test for this turd orchestra. |
| 14:45 |
bounce |
what's special about soviet chocolate? |
| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: everything. |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce he's just in love with one version of "no artificial hydrogenated vegetable fat, not oversugared" chocolate, because grew up on it. |
| 14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
cuban chocolate is no different. |
| 14:47 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: bdb locks initialisation issue << my current study suggests malformed txes in the mempool also. |
| 14:47 |
asciilifeform |
cuban << by aging soviet-trained confectioners, aha |
| 14:47 |
bounce |
so... what is in there? cocoa powder, cocoa butter, some sugar? |
| 14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform bdb needs a set_lk_max_locks directive to function properly with larger blocks. |
| 14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
by default a DB_CONFIG file in bitcoin root fixes the problem. |
| 14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce temperature treated, yes. like saying "iron, some carbon, some molybdenum" = sword. |
| 14:48 |
asciilifeform |
db.cpp: dbenv.set_lk_max_locks(10000); |
| 14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
!up indiancandy1 |
| 14:48 |
indiancandy1 |
HI babies |
| 14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
hey there desi. |
| 14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform moar like 500k. |
| 14:49 |
indiancandy1 |
how is every1 |
| 14:49 |
mircea_popescu |
i *think* the maximal lock count a block may possibly need is somewhere just south of 600k, but i don't have the shithandy. |
| 14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
indiancandy1 lovely! how's your film ? |
| 14:51 |
* |
asciilifeform rebuilt, grinding |
| 14:51 |
indiancandy1 |
all is well darling |
| 14:51 |
indiancandy1 |
im home |
| 14:51 |
indiancandy1 |
chilling |
| 14:51 |
indiancandy1 |
on bed] |
| 14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
indiancandy1 how do you call an indian in indian btw ? |
| 14:52 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: rebuilt with 500,000, same shit. |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
hum. |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
which block is this ? |
| 14:53 |
indiancandy1 |
what is a indian in indian |
| 14:53 |
indiancandy1 |
dont make sense |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903730 |
| 14:53 |
assbot |
Logged on 30-10-2014 17:09:54; asciilifeform: in other news, turd firmly wedged at block height 252450. |
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| 14:53 |
indiancandy1 |
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:53 |
indiancandy1 |
i gotchu |
| 14:53 |
indiancandy1 |
well |
| 14:53 |
indiancandy1 |
depends right |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah |
| 14:53 |
indiancandy1 |
generally |
| 14:53 |
indiancandy1 |
like punjabi is desi |
| 14:54 |
indiancandy1 |
you can say apne |
| 14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yeah this is prior to that issue. hm. |
| 14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
indiancandy1 what's "apne", breathless ? |
| 14:54 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
| 14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform don't laugh, greeks conquered them too :D |
| 14:56 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if you want polished turd, buy a girl who knows cpp, 'valgrind', gdb, understands memory discipline, can implement bdb replacement ab initio, knows ecdsa mechanics, etc, etc. |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
just for the lulz : |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
namespace Checkpoints { |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
16 |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
17 // How many times we expect transactions after the last checkpoint to |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
18 // be slower. This number is a compromise, as it can't be accurate for |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
19 // every system. When reindexing from a fast disk with a slow CPU, it |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
20 // can be up to 20, while when downloading from a slow network with a |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
21 // fast multicore CPU, it won't be much higher than 1. |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
ehehe. |
| 14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
static const double SIGCHECK_VERIFICATION_FACTOR = 5.0; |
| 14:57 |
indiancandy1 |
it means |
| 14:57 |
indiancandy1 |
indian |
| 14:57 |
indiancandy1 |
kind of |
| 14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
/ Guess how far we are in the verification process at the given block index |
| 14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
39 double GuessVerificationProgress(CBlockIndex *pindex, bool fSigchecks) { |
| 14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
etc etc ETFC! |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
turd on lathe requires liquid helium refrigerant to stay solid. |
| 14:57 |
indiancandy1 |
mp wen u comin |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
or it splatters instead of chipping |
| 14:57 |
indiancandy1 |
2 bombay |
| 14:57 |
indiancandy1 |
2 c me |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
He costs around what good whiskey does. |
| 14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
indiancandy1 not in the next five years. |
| 14:59 |
bounce |
from a hero to a girl in a few short log lines |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: mircea_popescu only buys gurlz |
| 15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform anyway, "we" have nfi why 252450 would hang. |
| 15:00 |
ben_vulpes |
more lulz |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
'hero' would be the fella who submits to carrying out this mission gratis, and can stay alive long enough to chop down a critical mass of foes. |
| 15:00 |
ben_vulpes |
// What makes a good checkpoint block? |
| 15:00 |
ben_vulpes |
// + Is surrounded by blocks with reasonable timestamps |
| 15:00 |
ben_vulpes |
// (no blocks before with a timestamp after, none after with |
| 15:00 |
ben_vulpes |
// timestamp before) |
| 15:00 |
ben_vulpes |
// + Contains no strange transactions |
| 15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes "old for the sake of old" right ? |
| 15:01 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: no checkpoint there. |
| 15:01 |
* |
bounce would starve a bit too soon to take that up, ATM. otherwise have the time. |
| 15:01 |
kakobrekla |
i dont even: http://shrani.si/f/3X/cK/1oCpAEBj/spambitbetus.png |
| 15:01 |
ben_vulpes |
let's see how this collection plate goes, turdmeisters |
| 15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla i don't get it ?! |
| 15:02 |
* |
asciilifeform hardened skeptic |
| 15:02 |
kakobrekla |
idk, 1000 shares sounds a lot |
| 15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
so they are going to feed the afrreddit hordes if oyu give them moneyz ? |
| 15:02 |
ben_vulpes |
i for one expect nothing. |
| 15:03 |
ben_vulpes |
can't disappoint me. |
| 15:03 |
asciilifeform |
anything that won't buy a whole man, may as well be nothing. |
| 15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes the charter is signed, right ? |
| 15:03 |
ben_vulpes |
therealbitcoin.org/charter.html |
| 15:03 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps nubbins` can have 'sword in stone' t-shirts printed. |
| 15:03 |
ben_vulpes |
verify for yourself. |
| 15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman so nao i want to verify things, but i can't, because no bot and i dun recall what the website is ;/ |
| 15:03 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: nice! |
| 15:04 |
nubbins` |
perhaps i'll put it on the cover |
| 15:04 |
indiancandy1 |
whyyy |
| 15:04 |
ben_vulpes |
curl http://therealbitcoin.org/charter-B71EADAF.asc | gpg --verify |
| 15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes okay, jurov appointed ? address published ? |
| 15:04 |
asciilifeform |
lol, http://therealbitcoin.org/treasurer_contract.html signed with '1blablablalblbalbalba' ??? |
| 15:04 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: you'll note: not signed. |
| 15:04 |
asciilifeform |
aha dead links |
| 15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
lulzy tho lol. |
| 15:04 |
ben_vulpes |
it's making a point. |
| 15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov lettuce get this show on the road shall we ? |
| 15:05 |
asciilifeform |
fellas, i know, i have sympathy, when i was a boy i wanted to buy an airplane for 100 rubles too. |
| 15:05 |
asciilifeform |
and was indignant 'why not!?' |
| 15:05 |
ben_vulpes |
undata: yes i'm just so pleased to bite off this chunk of responsibility for no remuneration |
| 15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform when I was a boy i actually bought an airplane (ride) for 100 bux. |
| 15:05 |
asciilifeform |
ride, aha. |
| 15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
military tupolev tho. |
| 15:06 |
ben_vulpes |
at least this time nobody's asking me what color my trabamborghini will be, or offering me worthless options. |
| 15:06 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: glory sometimes requires loss-leading |
| 15:06 |
undata |
:p |
| 15:06 |
asciilifeform |
heroes - straight to sword, stone. |
| 15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
this convo's enough to give naggum a second ulcer. |
| 15:06 |
* |
asciilifeform working on first ulcer |
| 15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
you're too healthy-looking for ulcers |
| 15:06 |
* |
asciilifeform will probably get there soonish |
| 15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
you'll get gallstones and arthritis. |
| 15:07 |
asciilifeform |
where is it written that a fat man can't get ulcer. |
| 15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
i didn't say fat! |
| 15:07 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 15:07 |
asciilifeform |
military tupolev << lol. my father rode in those for phree. |
| 15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google Tu-75 |
| 15:08 |
gribble |
TU-46 | Game 2 Play Online - Silvergames.com: <http://www.silvergames.com/tu-46>; Tupolev Tu-75 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-75>; TU - 46 | Miscellaneous Games | Play Free Games Online at Armor ...: <http://armorgames.com/play/12702/tu-46> |
| 15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
that ? |
| 15:08 |
ben_vulpes |
glory? who cares for that. |
| 15:08 |
asciilifeform |
well, only catch, have to jump out. |
| 15:08 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: yes, acclaim among your peers never helps anything |
| 15:08 |
* |
undata readies a WoT rating |
| 15:08 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the men called those, affectionately, 'тушка' (little sorry carcass) |
| 15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 15:09 |
asciilifeform |
well any tu. |
| 15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
you know they weren't THAT bad a design. |
| 15:09 |
asciilifeform |
who said bad design. |
| 15:09 |
asciilifeform |
just rough ride. |
| 15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah well. |
| 15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, those were the days. gasoline + 5 man crew for a day, 100 bux. |
| 15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
well, half a day. but they didn't fly wortha shit at night anyway. |
| 15:11 |
asciilifeform |
su army was fixated on parachutism, famously, quite like us army is fixated on pilotless flying machines |
| 15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
cuz they somehow had bad experience with the german paratroopers |
| 15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
tho they were an utter and total waste of resources |
| 15:12 |
mats_cd03 |
us army is still fixated on parachutism, for no really obviously good reason |
| 15:13 |
mats_cd03 |
besides test of bravery. |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
fwiw, the current us doctrine of "don't put the most valuable part of the plane in the most fragile part of the plane" is sound. |
| 15:13 |
asciilifeform |
the driver? |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
ya |
| 15:14 |
bounce |
the infrastructure to make that happen isn't cheap and isn't that robust either |
| 15:14 |
mats_cd03 |
although the 101 airborne was converted to an air mobility unit recently, so theres that. |
| 15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
if plane could fly w/o ground installations, captive pilot may make sense. as it is, pilot belongs with the airbase not with the plane. |
| 15:14 |
asciilifeform |
and anything other than a stone age opponent can blind the machine. or, if usa continues to insist on unsigned control signals, take it home. |
| 15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform so ? make moar. |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
the allies didn't win the war by making good tanks. |
| 15:15 |
asciilifeform |
make moar << works for su. for usa - no. |
| 15:15 |
mats_cd03 |
arguably, the allies won the war because of excellent maps and radios |
| 15:15 |
asciilifeform |
in usa, 'make moar' would mean that someone has to actually think about cost. |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
gtfo, i hear they got 3d printing now and errything. |
| 15:15 |
asciilifeform |
ahaha. |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
m sorry |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
3d printing TECHNOLOGY |
| 15:16 |
bounce |
patenting war to win the patent war |
| 15:16 |
* |
asciilifeform envisions patent lawyers dropped by parachute onto hapless infringers |
| 15:16 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: oh and protecting your own bitwealth; how bout that one? |
| 15:17 |
* |
undata selfishly wants the stripped down daemon for his own experiments |
| 15:17 |
asciilifeform |
undata: ru proverb: 'one [man] with a plow, seven with spoons.' |
| 15:17 |
ben_vulpes |
ripping usg crud out of the thing is a recipe to endanger any coins i'd have if i were not eating ramen so that the dog might eat |
| 15:18 |
ben_vulpes |
and girl |
| 15:18 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: at least the dog would kill a guy for you; my girlfriend's cats would just watch |
| 15:18 |
* |
asciilifeform misread as 'girlfriend cats' |
| 15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
<ben_vulpes> ripping usg crud out of the thing is a recipe to endanger any coins i'd have if i were not eating ramen so that the dog might eat << dude that's touching, srsly. |
| 15:18 |
undata |
asciilifeform: don't tell me how to live :D |
| 15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!up indiancandy1 |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, gotta go, bbl. don't eat each other ye hear! |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
buncha cultists. |
| 15:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: wherever you're going, check for cpp gurlz. |
| 15:20 |
nubbins` |
ya down with cpp, yeah you know me |
| 15:20 |
asciilifeform |
!s down with entropy |
| 15:20 |
assbot |
2 results for 'down with entropy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=down+with+entropy |
| 15:21 |
undata |
asciilifeform: is there a new client mailling list yet? |
| 15:21 |
undata |
*mailing |
| 15:21 |
asciilifeform |
undata: jurov had something quasi-working |
| 15:21 |
undata |
jurov: where to? |
| 15:21 |
asciilifeform |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev |
| 15:22 |
nubbins` |
he's busy generating a treasury address by hand |
| 15:22 |
asciilifeform |
lolesury |
| 15:22 |
ben_vulpes |
http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev |
| 15:24 |
nubbins` |
sweet |
| 15:24 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: wonderful; thanks! |
| 15:25 |
ben_vulpes |
why thread does not show the same as date and author is a mystery to me. |
| 15:25 |
asciilifeform |
because it's b0rken? |
| 15:26 |
ben_vulpes |
reasonable. |
| 15:26 |
ben_vulpes |
source of breakage, also a mystery. |
| 15:29 |
nubbins` |
ah! finally got chickensoupd build |
| 15:29 |
nubbins` |
*built |
| 15:30 |
* |
nubbins` toots own horn |
| 15:30 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: now you too can watch it wedge. |
| 15:30 |
* |
nubbins` claps |
| 15:36 |
nubbins` |
!s wedge |
| 15:36 |
assbot |
29 results for 'wedge' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=wedge |
| 15:36 |
nubbins` |
252450 |
| 15:41 |
ben_vulpes |
the notes on bdb lock size are hilarious |
| 15:41 |
ben_vulpes |
"just try a bunch of different numbers until you find one that works" |
| 15:42 |
kakobrekla |
a good rng will aid the process. |
| 15:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00080264 = 30.0589 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 16:01 |
BingoBoingo |
adlai: bounce: so you could theoretically "chemically print" the composition of any drink, medicine, poison, drug, explosive, etc << Very hard problem when you want to print anything protein |
| 16:04 |
BingoBoingo |
https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net#!states << It's like a map of #b-a Usians |
| 16:04 |
assbot |
Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast |
| 16:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Except who the fuck is in New York? |
| 16:06 |
undata |
in my case this will be where my VM is |
| 16:09 |
asciilifeform |
who the fuck is in New York << afaik most of 'verizon' ends up 'new york' |
| 16:09 |
asciilifeform |
incl. my fiber |
| 16:10 |
BingoBoingo |
thickasthieves: pankkake says .9 is where it's at << My 0.8.x node I run is rather low on memory consumption, runs with full txindex |
| 16:10 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: these die during initial blockchain pumping |
| 16:10 |
asciilifeform |
why am i even telling this, go run it |
| 16:11 |
BingoBoingo |
I know. New ones exchange dying for a crawl during initial indexing instead. |
| 16:12 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: also see today's log, for why this is probably a doomed march |
| 16:12 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm still catching up to there |
| 16:12 |
asciilifeform |
!s sword stone |
| 16:12 |
assbot |
9 results for 'sword stone' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sword+stone |
| 16:13 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903782 and below. |
| 16:13 |
assbot |
Logged on 30-10-2014 18:08:51; asciilifeform: attn turdmasters: |
| 16:13 |
undata |
asciilifeform: "this" being code review? |
| 16:13 |
asciilifeform |
undata: 'this' being the overall affair of transmuting the 0.5.3 turd into a usable weapon |
| 16:14 |
undata |
asciilifeform: perhaps the wealthier among us have reason to offer bounties |
| 16:15 |
chetty |
I would go after that sword if eulora wasn't in the way |
| 16:16 |
asciilifeform |
undata: afaik mircea_popescu doesn't actually need the weapon - already has own |
| 16:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah. asciilifeform So a solution is raising soldering irons to get weaponized bitcoind from pool ops |
| 16:16 |
undata |
asciilifeform: what's the point of not distributing it then? |
| 16:16 |
undata |
his |
| 16:16 |
asciilifeform |
undata: ask him - not me |
| 16:16 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: ^ |
| 16:17 |
asciilifeform |
he made it clear that didn't want to, why pester the man |
| 16:17 |
undata |
because I have an unanswered question. |
| 16:17 |
BingoBoingo |
undata: What is the use of releasing the chamber curve diagrams of an effective nuke? |
| 16:17 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2014#893903 |
| 16:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-10-2014 20:24:45; mircea_popescu: maybe once it's over in the sense of, we're all drunk in the retirement home. |
| 16:17 |
chetty |
curiosity killed the cat |
| 16:18 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps his only runs on gurlz with arithmometers, how the fuck would i know |
| 16:19 |
undata |
it's a bit difficult to steer the direction of a decentralized network with no offering. |
| 16:21 |
undata |
BingoBoingo: justify the aptness of the metaphor first. |
| 16:21 |
asciilifeform |
i will answer the secret question which i can answer. 1) i personally can't pay rent with btc without giving up every other one to usg. 2) cost of extrication from gravity well is inconceivably high. 3) no one crowned me hero to begin with, why even ask. |
| 16:21 |
undata |
if there's an existing stripped down client the deturdification process is a waste of time |
| 16:23 |
BingoBoingo |
undata: Alright. Spz you're a Jew in olden times coming onto the battlefield with your nifty bronze sword. Now the Assyrians emerge from the horizon, but instead of bronze they have Iron! |
| 16:24 |
undata |
BingoBoingo: that metaphor has no resemblance to what does and does not benefit the functioning of a decentralized network |
| 16:24 |
undata |
I'm not going to bother. |
| 16:24 |
asciilifeform |
undata: http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea << i just wanted a fcking book. |
| 16:24 |
assbot |
A dangerous idea - serialized delusions |
| 16:24 |
asciilifeform |
^ jurov's chronicle |
| 16:25 |
asciilifeform |
but 1) i'm not interested in a book with gavin's excretions 2) not interested in a book describing system which does not work on battlefield. |
| 16:26 |
undata |
asciilifeform: yep I was around for that convo |
| 16:27 |
asciilifeform |
undata: so you know. boat - has no motor. |
| 16:27 |
asciilifeform |
no sails, no oars. |
| 16:27 |
asciilifeform |
just sorta, vaguely, floats. |
| 16:27 |
undata |
if only there were some way to organize the efforts of a large number of people around projects |
| 16:27 |
undata |
:p |
| 16:28 |
undata |
some kind of open process of producing source code |
| 16:28 |
asciilifeform |
undata: result - gavin. |
| 16:28 |
asciilifeform |
openssl. |
| 16:28 |
asciilifeform |
enjoy |
| 16:28 |
undata |
asciilifeform: see: libressl |
| 16:28 |
asciilifeform |
turd sans scatole is still turd. |
| 16:29 |
undata |
everything is shit but the speaker |
| 16:29 |
asciilifeform |
hero? straight to sword. |
| 16:30 |
undata |
reasoning by metaphor has its strengths and weaknesses |
| 16:31 |
asciilifeform |
i would love to see it proven that what i've said is a load o'shit. |
| 16:32 |
undata |
receiving money isn't the only way to invest in your own goals |
| 16:33 |
undata |
I need a programmable, robust client for my own applications |
| 16:33 |
asciilifeform |
the idependantly wealthy - straight to sword. |
| 16:33 |
BingoBoingo |
undata: Well, avoiding starvation and the sword are obstacles on the road to goals. |
| 16:33 |
undata |
oh please |
| 16:33 |
undata |
you don't have 5 hours a week? |
| 16:33 |
undata |
I do. |
| 16:33 |
asciilifeform |
I need a << i need an airplane |
| 16:33 |
undata |
there's an absurd orthodoxy around here |
| 16:34 |
BingoBoingo |
What absurd orthodoxy? |
| 16:34 |
asciilifeform |
undata: the orthodoxy wants to be proven wrong. don't wait! fire. |
| 16:34 |
undata |
there's ample evidence in the market that one can reduce cost and increase quality by open sourcing the things not directly in your moneymaking pipeline |
| 16:35 |
undata |
I'm not going to argue the merits of open source |
| 16:35 |
undata |
you people are all on linux or bsd |
| 16:35 |
asciilifeform |
undata: this is how we got the extant bitcoind. if you like it - you know where to find it |
| 16:35 |
* |
BingoBoingo wonders about serious matters such as will Cardano prototype factory make the eventual loper prototype |
| 16:35 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> why am i even telling this, go run it << sir you are a gift to the logs |
| 16:35 |
undata |
asciilifeform: that is a problem of the artists and not painting |
| 16:36 |
asciilifeform |
undata: yes, we know the ru/jewish saying 'the bad dancer is hindered only by his arse.' this should be seen as an invitation to the good dancers. |
| 16:36 |
undata |
asciilifeform: where's the source |
| 16:36 |
undata |
stock 0.5.3 still? |
| 16:36 |
BingoBoingo |
<undata> asciilifeform: that is a problem of the artists and not painting << No, this is a problem of no one fucking reading and the world burning because the entire stacks sucks because unread. Worked until it didn't |
| 16:36 |
asciilifeform |
'плохому танцору яйца мешают' |
| 16:37 |
undata |
BingoBoingo: lets do nothing then |
| 16:37 |
undata |
life is too challenging |
| 16:37 |
BingoBoingo |
undata: No, you do things. You just have to understand the obstacles as you make your cue. |
| 16:38 |
asciilifeform |
undata: http://therealbitcoin.org contains origin tree. 'chicken' lists the remaining files after first trim. rm_... is ben_vulpes's patch; |
| 16:38 |
undata |
how was the 0.5.3 choice made? |
| 16:38 |
undata |
reasoning by metaphor or an actual assessment? |
| 16:38 |
asciilifeform |
undata: read log |
| 16:38 |
undata |
I was here. |
| 16:39 |
undata |
I want your opinion. |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
undata: earliest (lightest-weight, least lines of gavin) version that is known to be compatible with the extant net. |
| 16:39 |
undata |
there are myriad bugfixes that will need to be backported |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
undata: yes. |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip.tar.gz , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform.3-turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz , http://loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.tar.gz |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
^ other patches thus far |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
signed by yours truly |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
no one, yet, saw it fit to comment at length on them |
| 16:40 |
ben_vulpes |
hashtag asciilifeform patch collection |
| 16:41 |
ben_vulpes |
hashtag asciilifeform patch collection october |
| 16:41 |
ben_vulpes |
sweet. i can now custom index logs. |
| 16:41 |
undata |
I didn't initiate this thing; ben_vulpes do you have a desired process? |
| 16:41 |
ben_vulpes |
grab those patches, review, add sig if you want to put your ass on the line. |
| 16:41 |
ben_vulpes |
preferrably, build. |
| 16:42 |
* |
BingoBoingo wonders if there is anyone with more projects on their public plate than alf... |
| 16:42 |
undata |
what are the standards for "this goes" |
| 16:42 |
asciilifeform |
undata: i sorta initiated this thing, by pure accident. |
| 16:42 |
asciilifeform |
undata: but i have very little to do with it otherwise... |
| 16:42 |
ben_vulpes |
undata: we're currently blocked on a mailing list thinger that may or may not see the light of day anytime soon |
| 16:42 |
ben_vulpes |
i halfway think the gpg signature turdatron blocking merges and discussion needs to be nuked and implemented by some eager beaver later |
| 16:42 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: I'll just start a local git repo with stock 0.5.3, add your existing patches, and look into backporting a fix |
| 16:42 |
asciilifeform |
undata: standards << ben_vulpes and mod6 started, at instigation of mircea_popescu, a 'foundation', where somebody (them?) will sit as mergemaster |
| 16:43 |
undata |
process to submit is patch with signature? |
| 16:43 |
asciilifeform |
and decide what stays, what goes |
| 16:43 |
asciilifeform |
submit patch with signature, yes |
| 16:43 |
asciilifeform |
if you approve of another fellow's patch after honest study of it - you sign it as well |
| 16:43 |
undata |
alright. I'll take a look at it saturday. |
| 16:43 |
ben_vulpes |
if i don't have a thing going on on saturday we could even go so far as to pair |
| 16:43 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: k |
| 16:43 |
asciilifeform |
pair? |
| 16:44 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: share physical space, look at code as a... |
| 16:44 |
asciilifeform |
aha you're neighbours? |
| 16:44 |
ben_vulpes |
aye |
| 16:45 |
ben_vulpes |
dark mirror images of each other in some aspects |
| 16:45 |
ben_vulpes |
he - software as a service |
| 16:45 |
ben_vulpes |
i - software services |
| 16:45 |
undata |
different enough to be enjoyable |
| 16:45 |
undata |
this sounds fun |
| 16:45 |
ben_vulpes |
both starving big zone kulaks |
| 16:45 |
BingoBoingo |
lies ben_vulpes, you do service as a software |
| 16:46 |
undata |
ha not bad ^ |
| 16:46 |
ben_vulpes |
am software |
| 16:46 |
ben_vulpes |
will serve |
| 16:46 |
asciilifeform |
in my patches, thus far, nothing truly earth-shaking, just a surgical removal of what i consider clearly poisonous |
| 16:47 |
undata |
roughly... flamethrower, bandaids, minimal socket API? |
| 16:47 |
asciilifeform |
didn't even touch api |
| 16:47 |
asciilifeform |
that requires actual replacement |
| 16:47 |
undata |
that can be a later discussion |
| 16:47 |
asciilifeform |
or you have a machine with no steering wheel |
| 16:47 |
undata |
but poking the thing is desirable |
| 16:47 |
asciilifeform |
me - i don't want jsonism in my book. |
| 16:47 |
undata |
asciilifeform: hear hear |
| 16:48 |
asciilifeform |
my next patch was going to be a removal of the magic strings (seed ip table, etc) and replacement with ascii configs, as suggested by mircea_popescu. |
| 16:48 |
asciilifeform |
but now i don't see this thing as going anywhere |
| 16:49 |
undata |
asciilifeform: oh come on, at least give it *two* weeks before utter failure |
| 16:49 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform issues challenge now. |
| 16:49 |
undata |
:) |
| 16:49 |
ben_vulpes |
classic russian fatalism |
| 16:49 |
asciilifeform |
the bare naked minimum worthy of nubbins` book, is a gadget that functions, reliably, on current network |
| 16:50 |
asciilifeform |
with no weird 'now please delete blkindex' crud |
| 16:50 |
asciilifeform |
and no runaway memleaks |
| 16:50 |
asciilifeform |
the more gavin removal, likewise, the better |
| 16:50 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform wants valground turd and...what is this 'delete blkindex'? |
| 16:51 |
asciilifeform |
^ someone suggested this as a 'fix' for wedged blockchain load |
| 16:51 |
asciilifeform |
this is not tolerable. |
| 16:51 |
ben_vulpes |
what about bdb lock config? |
| 16:51 |
asciilifeform |
had no effect. |
| 16:51 |
asciilifeform |
why take my word for it - try it. |
| 16:52 |
asciilifeform |
do i need to explain why i asked for the book? |
| 16:52 |
asciilifeform |
or is it obvious to alert reader. |
| 16:52 |
undata |
asciilifeform: books fit in brains? |
| 16:52 |
asciilifeform |
not magically, no |
| 16:52 |
undata |
good outer bound though. |
| 16:52 |
thickasthieves |
so he can go to forest and see if it's broken |
| 16:53 |
asciilifeform |
so, in peacetime, if i live that long, i can take it to forest and write a 'popescuan' replacement. |
| 16:53 |
asciilifeform |
or if not i - one of you. |
| 16:53 |
mats_cd03 |
such drama. |
| 16:53 |
asciilifeform |
right now we can't even make drama, the actors are drunk and spewing over the stage |
| 16:53 |
mats_cd03 |
asciilifeform fears for his life, but won't flee to save it. |
| 16:53 |
* |
asciilifeform spews |
| 16:53 |
mats_cd03 |
what is this. |
| 16:54 |
undata |
disagreement is good for you |
| 16:54 |
asciilifeform |
flee - need diamonds for schindler's train. |
| 16:54 |
mats_cd03 |
a game of catching the falling knife? |
| 16:55 |
undata |
someone should write a book of #ba metaphors |
| 16:55 |
undata |
speaking of books. |
| 16:55 |
ben_vulpes |
;;google trilema variety speak |
| 16:55 |
gribble |
You're gonna have to learn that variety speak pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/>; #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/>; Pro idiotas, which obviously means, people who have ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people- (1 more message) |
| 16:56 |
thickasthieves |
undata this is sorta started in the b-a wiki, which anyone with voice can add to probly |
| 16:56 |
asciilifeform |
the mostly-empty wiki? |
| 16:56 |
thickasthieves |
maybe the foundation should take it over |
| 16:57 |
ben_vulpes |
nope |
| 16:57 |
thickasthieves |
hehe |
| 16:57 |
ben_vulpes |
get outta heah! |
| 16:58 |
undata |
I'll just grind out code and leave the speak to the pros |
| 16:59 |
asciilifeform |
undata: might want to investigate why the original does not, in fact, work. |
| 16:59 |
asciilifeform |
before adding code. |
| 16:59 |
undata |
asciilifeform: exercise to reader eh? |
| 16:59 |
asciilifeform |
(rampant memory leakage is not 'works') |
| 16:59 |
undata |
the grinding out code was a general statement of what I value |
| 16:59 |
undata |
talk is not a product |
| 17:00 |
asciilifeform |
straight to sword then. |
| 17:00 |
* |
undata cuts the knot in half |
| 17:03 |
undata |
asciilifeform: were we not talking about the kelvin way of versioning code? |
| 17:03 |
undata |
the same value applies to communication. |
| 17:04 |
undata |
I can send you a disassembled rube goldberg machine every time I open my mouth |
| 17:04 |
undata |
and we can get nowhere |
| 17:04 |
undata |
or we can get to the point and get something done |
| 17:04 |
ben_vulpes |
have at, undata |
| 17:05 |
BingoBoingo |
!up chrysalus |
| 17:05 |
BingoBoingo |
!up PeterL |
| 17:06 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Squidward |
| 17:06 |
Squidward |
im squidward |
| 17:06 |
BingoBoingo |
WTF does that mean? |
| 17:07 |
BingoBoingo |
!down Squidward |
| 17:08 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, it's up now https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/10/the-next-chapter/ |
| 17:08 |
assbot |
The Next Chapter | The Bitcoin Foundation |
| 17:10 |
nubbins` |
lel |
| 17:13 |
ben_vulpes |
glhf |
| 17:17 |
PeterL |
question: my scoopbot dumps links from posts into the chan, should I ask to have assbot ignore it or provide the title of each link? |
| 17:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Fucking white people http://valleywag.gawker.com/heres-what-the-mission-riots-looked-like-after-the-gian-1652846299/+tcraggs22 |
| 17:19 |
assbot |
Here's What the Mission Riots Looked Like After the Giants' Victory |
| 17:19 |
bounce |
so, the guy that's going to actively support unleashing lots of onerous gov't regulation on this bitcoin thing is now executive director of the bitcoin foundation |
| 17:19 |
bounce |
did I get that about right? |
| 17:20 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: Well, executive director of the CoinLab Foundation for the promotion of scams and Redditurds |
| 17:21 |
undata |
"Fuck techies" << to the ovens with you |
| 17:28 |
BingoBoingo |
!up scoopbot |
| 17:42 |
thestringpuller |
reddit is full with turds |
| 17:45 |
gernika |
undata to the ovens with techies? |
| 17:47 |
undata |
incorrect |
| 17:47 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: where is db_cxx.h on OS X? |
| 17:48 |
ben_vulpes |
os x what now? |
| 17:48 |
ben_vulpes |
the -assets build is realnix only |
| 17:49 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: statement behind the question is 95% of this build crap can go |
| 17:49 |
undata |
if that's so |
| 17:49 |
undata |
stating the obvious |
| 17:50 |
ben_vulpes |
take a look at the first patch on therealbitcoin.org |
| 17:51 |
ben_vulpes |
that has a manifest you'll find useful. |
| 17:52 |
cazalla |
my god this hag of a wife, god must be punishing by introducing her to me before bitcoin |
| 17:52 |
mats_cd03 |
:( |
| 17:52 |
ben_vulpes |
lol popped one out and became intolerable? |
| 17:53 |
cazalla |
you got it ben_vulpes |
| 17:58 |
asciilifeform |
os x << lol |
| 18:00 |
BingoBoingo |
This is more interesting with the other side's context http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/10/30/why_do_russian_jets_keep_buzzing_european_countries.html |
| 18:01 |
chetty |
Are they using 'wish' maps maybe? |
| 18:02 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: k so that linux-mingw makefile as starting point? |
| 18:03 |
undata |
that and unix survived. I was using the unix one |
| 18:03 |
PeterL |
!up scoobot |
| 18:04 |
undata |
bleh nvm, mingw is that gnu windows thing |
| 18:04 |
undata |
shouldn't that die too? |
| 18:05 |
bounce |
do you have berkeleydb installed and are you using gmake? |
| 18:05 |
bounce |
though might not need the latter, dunno. |
| 18:06 |
undata |
I do; gentoo's just got it in /usr/include/db4.8 |
| 18:07 |
bounce |
thought you were doing an os x build |
| 18:08 |
undata |
bounce: neg, was not led by the patch name "chicken" to believe that that one cleaned up the project |
| 18:08 |
undata |
so I was deleting things |
| 18:17 |
nubbins` |
<undata> ben_vulpes: where is db_cxx.h on OS X? <<< brew install berkeley-db4 |
| 18:18 |
nubbins` |
mine's in /usr/local/Cellar/berkeley-db4/4.8.30/include/ |
| 18:19 |
undata |
nubbins`: what I meant to be asking is whether gentoo was weird by putting it in /usr/include/db4.8 |
| 18:19 |
undata |
gentoo has this "slots" mechanism for having multiple versions of libraries |
| 18:20 |
nubbins` |
beats me. i've got a debian install here, it's in /usr/include |
| 18:21 |
undata |
that answers that, ty |
| 18:25 |
PeterL |
!up scoopbot |
| 18:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Os X is the weird one |
| 18:33 |
BingoBoingo |
It always is |
| 18:37 |
BingoBoingo |
U can't measure apple color with tools, because Apple is beyond measuring with tools http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/10/why-is-the-new-imac-5k-instead-of-4k-its-all-about-the-video-baby/ |
| 18:37 |
assbot |
Why is the new iMac 5K instead of 4K? It’s all about the video, baby | Ars Technica |
| 18:48 |
undata |
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: muchas gracias; patched and built |
| 18:49 |
ben_vulpes |
holy f |
| 18:49 |
ben_vulpes |
client signed a no-deliverable, best effort contract with us and then made promises to their client executives. |
| 18:51 |
PeterL |
why would they do that? |
| 18:52 |
ben_vulpes |
maybe the next time i actually laugh at a scope/timeline combination in a meeting and the potential client still falls all over themselves to sign our no deliverable, best effort contract my internal warning flags should go up |
| 18:53 |
PeterL |
what is a "no deliverable best effort contract"? |
| 18:53 |
ben_vulpes |
hours only |
| 18:54 |
undata |
"look, your cat is likely to die during this life-saving procedure. sign here." ? |
| 18:54 |
ben_vulpes |
"we understand that you want these things. we will work on them in the agreed upon and prioritized order. you authorize unlimited budget in hopes that we can get it all done." |
| 18:55 |
undata |
ah |
| 18:55 |
PeterL |
so if you never get the first thing on the list done, then what happens? |
| 19:00 |
PeterL |
who do I talk to to not have to !up scoopbot? |
| 19:03 |
BingoBoingo |
PeterL: kakobrekla |
| 19:04 |
jurov |
!up dignork |
| 19:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, there's a coup in Burkina Faso |
| 19:05 |
jurov |
dignork: you second message got discarded |
| 19:05 |
jurov |
*your |
| 19:06 |
jurov |
not able to debug it right now (imbibed stuff) |
| 19:06 |
jurov |
will let you know lateer what was he problem |
| 19:06 |
jurov |
;;gettrust assbot dignork |
| 19:06 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dignork: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dignork | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dignork | Rated since: Fri Oct 18 12:20:18 2013 |
| 19:10 |
xanthyos |
hi |
| 19:10 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Thank you for pointing me to the Folksom book. The practice drills are the best. |
| 19:11 |
BingoBoingo |
!up The20YearIRCloud |
| 19:11 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Hi? |
| 19:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Hi |
| 19:12 |
The20YearIRCloud |
On cell, just got on to check messages. You need anything? |
| 19:13 |
BingoBoingo |
No, just saw you pop in. |
| 19:13 |
BingoBoingo |
!up twistedether |
| 19:16 |
BingoBoingo |
!up buytoshi |
| 19:19 |
BingoBoingo |
!up yoloshill |
| 19:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Journalism problems |
| 19:23 |
BingoBoingo |
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/30/inside-story-matt-taibbis-departure-first-look-media/ |
| 19:23 |
assbot |
The Inside Story Of Matt Taibbi's Departure From First Look Media - The Intercept |
| 19:25 |
undata |
"What they found instead was a confounding array of rules, structures, and systems imposed by Omidyar and other First Look managers on matters both trivial—which computer program to use to internally communicate, mandatory regular company-wide meetings, mandated use of a “responsibility assignment matrix” called a “RASCI,” popular in business-school circles for managing projects—as well as |
| 19:25 |
undata |
more substantive issues." << bunch of crying |
| 19:26 |
jurov |
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.general/12588/ << i'd like to have turdatron ready for the anniversary, but it's unlikely |
| 19:26 |
assbot |
Gmane -- Bitcoin P2P e cash paper |
| 19:27 |
BingoBoingo |
See, my reading of the story is that the Silicon Valley management style is even more broken than typical 'Murican MBA bullshit. |
| 19:28 |
undata |
BingoBoingo: articles like this are hard; they're trying to integrate two sides of a debate, where likely neither party is being fair |
| 19:28 |
undata |
as for corporate organization, *some* mechanism for order is needed |
| 19:29 |
undata |
how else are you supposed to coordinate? |
| 19:29 |
BingoBoingo |
undata: Well, key part of getting to why it wants to be read one way is evaluating... What platform it lives on. |
| 19:30 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell PeterL first, second, third, umpteenth will get done. arbitrary items from bottom of list by time not communicated to dev team? |
| 19:30 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 19:31 |
undata |
BingoBoingo: yes of course |
| 19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wherever you're going, check for cpp gurlz. << none! |
| 19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla: a good rng will aid the process. << srsly, how do you keep this dry ? |
| 19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
1 minute kakonizing > 1 hour martinizing |
| 19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net#!states << It's like a map of #b-a Usians << i thought everyone was from portland and atlanta. |
| 19:49 |
assbot |
Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast |
| 19:50 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: No, I'm in one of the green ones in the middle |
| 19:50 |
BingoBoingo |
At least I thought I was. |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
shit traffic dropped yest |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta fire someone. |
| 19:51 |
BingoBoingo |
What? Yesterday was up. |
| 19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
well yesterday we shoulda hired someone. |
| 19:52 |
bounce |
buncha slackers |
| 19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder how would a site worked on that principle go. "ever day traffic is up, hire someone ; every day traffic is down, fire someone" |
| 19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
sorta like ford only faster. |
| 19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
undata: mircea_popescu: ^ << nothing was said publicly on this topic. |
| 19:52 |
BingoBoingo |
I think that's how you make an Edsel |
| 19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
undata: if there's an existing stripped down client the deturdification process is a waste of time <<< what are you, new ? |
| 19:54 |
BingoBoingo |
Apparently ben fox has a neighbor |
| 19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
undata: if only there were some way to organize the efforts of a large number of people around projects <<< there is. you're watching it. just because leadership is not in your face doesn't necessarily mean leadership is absent and it's your time to shine. it may also mean leadership is extremely good at what it does. |
| |
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| 19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
who's ben fox ? |
| 19:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Vulpes |
| 19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
oh oh wow missed that one. |
| 19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe it's the hottie gf of his wife ? |
| 19:56 |
BingoBoingo |
I thought this is why alf patch series was named chicken |
| 19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
lol! |
| 19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
dude incredible how much subtext i miss. and i do read the logs! |
| 19:57 |
BingoBoingo |
I know |
| 19:58 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo i don't remember, is edsel a car or a bad cheesecake brand ? |
| 19:58 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Twas a Ford spinoff, focused on "affordable" cars |
| 19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
my facetious question ;/ |
| 19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
hm, i like girls that wash ashtrays. i don't mean empty them in the trash, i mean actually wash the damned things. |
| 19:59 |
dignork |
jurov: I've figured webmail got my signed message scrambled with html? |
| 19:59 |
* |
bounce likes an absence of smoking and ashtrays better |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
you actually mind smoke ? |
| 20:00 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> hm, i like girls that wash ashtrays. i don't mean empty them in the trash, i mean actually wash the damned things. << Wait this thing I've been doing forever is unusual? I always wash the ashtrays at least weekly |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
*: BingoBoingo wonders about serious matters such as will Cardano prototype factory make the eventual loper prototype << my hope is that in the 2020s. but i've been off before by an xmas or two. |
| 20:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Prolly best to talk about these things in terms of reward halvings rather than xmas's. |
| 20:01 |
bounce |
once had a job contract that forbade me from minding smoke. but at home I very much prefer no smoking at all. |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo a couple, hopefully not a dozen. |
| 20:01 |
BingoBoingo |
AH |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce i don't care either way. maybe i;m the only person left i guess. |
| 20:02 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: How do you become functional in the morning without coffee and cigarettes? Gotta mix your stims. |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
the us "debate", an engine wasting time and paper while going from unpolarized to polarized. |
| 20:02 |
bounce |
how? just like erryday |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo he has a point there, this "need coffee to wake up" thing is nonsense. i know this experimentally. |
| 20:03 |
BingoBoingo |
What, you just carry your hangovers until they fade away on their own? |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
i never drink again anything that gives me a hangover. |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
emergency acute cure is "moare de varza" however. |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google "moare de varza" |
| 20:04 |
gribble |
Zeama de varza: <http://www.bucatar.net/zeama-de-varza/>; Varza murata | Gradina visata: <http://gradinavisata.wordpress.com/2010/10/18/varza-murata/>; Reteta Varza Calita - Traditional romanian cabbage stew - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Qfgxc4FiI> |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
basically kimchi juice. |
| 20:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah. |
| 20:05 |
bounce |
rarely drink these days, but plenty water before bed means no headache, just lingering alcohol |
| 20:05 |
BingoBoingo |
<bounce> rarely drink these days, but plenty water before bed means no headache, just lingering alcohol << What's the point of drinking if you un-drunk yourself so soon? |
| 20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
"do you wanna be able to get it out or do you wanna not be able to get it out ?" |
| 20:08 |
BingoBoingo |
What else is practice for? Some people pull trucks with their teeth. Some people practice other feats of physical performance. |
| 20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: me - i don't want jsonism in my book. << anything actually solidified in your head as to what you actually want ? sigs, really ? |
| 20:09 |
bounce |
printable text that can nonetheless be verified. that'd be interesting. |
| 20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: but now i don't see this thing as going anywhere << what, srlsy ? |
| 20:10 |
* |
bounce would add 2d barcodes (QR or something) for the sigantures |
| 20:10 |
mats_cd03 |
someone once told me life is too short to avoid hangovers |
| 20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
it's going, it's going, don't blame the relative fixed position of mountains on the ass derping in the road. |
| 20:10 |
bounce |
s/gan/gna/ |
| 20:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it's going << i did specify hoping that i was wrong about this. |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes: classic russian fatalism <<< aaaaaaaahahaha, how do you know this ? |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
and was her name katja or natasha ? |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
tanya... |
| 20:11 |
asciilifeform |
!s sword hero |
| 20:11 |
assbot |
3 results for 'sword hero' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sword+hero |
| 20:11 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: I think you missed the point of my comment on open source, which was in response to "how will we ever finish the deturdification" |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
hmm, anyone taking bets on the name of the chick that informed mr fox as to the intricacies of the russian soul ? |
| 20:11 |
asciilifeform |
chicken << comes from recipe, attributed to the old gypsies: 'first, steal the chicken.' |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
undata that's possible. |
| 20:11 |
undata |
by assigning tasks and chipping away, that's how, and by brutally criticizing contributions |
| 20:12 |
undata |
I get offended to my core when someone says "can't be done, lets give up" |
| 20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
undata then again, mayhap you missed my point. |
| 20:12 |
undata |
and I think I misintepreted people when hearing that |
| 20:12 |
* |
asciilifeform did not say 'give up.' said: buy a man |
| 20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
possibly. buncha trolls here see ? |
| 20:12 |
undata |
asciilifeform: yep addressed |
| 20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
trolling for a reaction out of noobs. |
| 20:13 |
* |
asciilifeform specifically did not say 'buy me.' |
| 20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
;/ |
| 20:13 |
* |
asciilifeform knows of maxint folks cheaper and stronger |
| 20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
I WAS SAVING UP |
| 20:13 |
asciilifeform |
l0lz |
| 20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
now lyf is devoid of ultimate significance, i will give up on lyfing! |
| 20:13 |
* |
asciilifeform old lyfer |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
topic is now knives. |
| 20:14 |
asciilifeform |
folsom! |
| 20:14 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo ^ comment |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
and tear tatoos. |
| 20:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Anyone want a pdf of the Folsom book? |
| 20:14 |
* |
asciilifeform has one |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google cash folsom prison |
| 20:14 |
asciilifeform |
(book, not tattoo) |
| 20:14 |
gribble |
At Folsom Prison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_Folsom_Prison>; Folsom Prison Blues - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folsom_Prison_Blues>; Johnny Cash - Folsom Prison Blues - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7gV5C5mB7A> |
| 20:14 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: The "drill" in the book is fun. |
| 20:14 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 20:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Relaxing |
| 20:15 |
* |
asciilifeform dreamt, recently, that he had a knife teacher |
| 20:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Make dummie, savage dummy, imagine doing it better, reassemble dummie, repeat |
| 20:15 |
asciilifeform |
a grizzled old bugger |
| 20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform "how to defend yourself against the banana fiend" ? |
| 20:15 |
asciilifeform |
!s banana fiend |
| 20:15 |
assbot |
0 results for 'banana fiend' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=banana+fiend |
| 20:15 |
bounce |
.oO( is this automutilation or just autotrolling? ) |
| 20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google monty python how to defend yourself banana fiend |
| 20:15 |
gribble |
Monty Python - Self-Defense Against Fruit - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w>; Self Defence Against Fresh Fruit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_Defence_Against_Fresh_Fruit>; Monty Python's Flying Circus: Just the Words - Episode 4: <http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode04.htm> |
| 20:15 |
* |
asciilifeform knows of no effective defense against banana |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
hah! first, you eat the banana, thus disarming him. |
| 20:16 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: I can take a trolling; my response was to ignore it |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
undata anyway, get the current code, build it and see what happens. |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
especially if it passes the magical block |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
for all we fucking know atm, bitcoin hardforked in march 2013 and nobody noticed. |
| 20:17 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: built and patched; will fiddle more later |
| 20:17 |
bounce |
can you self-defend against wookies? |
| 20:17 |
* |
undata hooks a drive up to begin blockchain slurp |
| 20:18 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: Did you not read http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jimmy_fatwing/Military/infantry_knife.htm the first time it was linked? |
| 20:18 |
assbot |
KNIFE FIGHTING |
| 20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: with no weird 'now please delete blkindex' crud << this is never going to happen on the current db (bdb) because it's a pos, and if the computer fails unexpectedly it messes up the state. |
| 20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing to do with bitcoin, well documented bdb issue. |
| 20:19 |
* |
asciilifeform did say he suspected |
| 20:19 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: can't say as i recall, the impression was formed over the course of 3 raves in quarries in the depths of oregon forests over my sixteenth summer. |
| 20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
actually, it's perhaps not premature to start the subscription list of everyone's favourite db solution |
| 20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
this is perhaps the most important, momentuous architectura decision |
| 20:20 |
ben_vulpes |
lots of russians in the area. |
| 20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
and it needs all the weighin it can get |
| 20:20 |
ben_vulpes |
the gangsters live in vancouver |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform-4.snapshot.tar.gz and http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform-4.snapshot.tar.gz.sig |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
snapshot. |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
for heroes. |
| 20:20 |
bounce |
courts tend to frown on defendants wielding fairbarn-sykes knives in session |
| 20:20 |
ben_vulpes |
the religious ones in salem. |
| 20:20 |
ben_vulpes |
'tis odd. |
| 20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you know this looks like fucking advanced heroes of might and magic over here. barons, lords, heroes, dragons |
| 20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
WE GOT IT ALL |
| 20:21 |
undata |
asciilifeform: that's with the two patches, or something new? |
| 20:21 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: merging! |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i was gonna use own db. for eventual transition to raw block device. |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
for metal port. |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
vita brevis. |
| 20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform like what you mean, tape ? |
| 20:21 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: But it is a historical artifact which sits on collectible display next to bed. |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
addressable block device. |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
as in, 'bitcoinfs.' |
| |
↖ |
| 20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, a perfectly acceptable alternative : modular db, clearly documented bitcoin hooks, write-your-own-1klines or less api for anything. |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
as in, it deserves to be treated as own fs. |
| 20:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Sheer coincidence I reached for Fairbairn Sykes and not Chris Carpenter Bobblehead |
| 20:22 |
asciilifeform |
with the two patches << with all of my patches so far. |
| 20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
there IS some significant ops advantage to not running any one stock db. |
| 20:22 |
asciilifeform |
there was some grumbling that i didn't post an auto-zapper that turns 0.5.3 into the hash manifest in 'chicken' |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
so here's my total merge. |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
does not include bdb lock tweak suggested by mircea_popescu |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
(who wants - can make) |
| 20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
that's unavoidable, otherwise thing won't pass into 2014. |
| 20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
on the blkchain i mean |
| 20:23 |
bounce |
fairbarn-sykes in a collectible display case? what's it made off, star wars plastic? |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
modular db << sounds pleasurable, but this requires massive re-engineering of satoshi's turd. |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
almost rewrite. |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
d'oh. |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
if you think satoshi's stuff can not be refactored to the point of rewriting, you're living inside a candy globe. |
| 20:24 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce> fairbarn-sykes in a collectible display case? what's it made off, star wars plastic? << Not in case, on nightstand. Made of whatever wartime shitiron England was using. |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
it really is that bad, like old man beard. |
| 20:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4883 @ 0.00080436 = 3.9277 BTC [+] |
| 20:24 |
* |
asciilifeform fesses up that he started a rewrite - before starting correspondence and unrelated project with mircea_popescu |
| 20:25 |
* |
asciilifeform in common lisp of course |
| 20:25 |
ben_vulpes |
pahaha. |
| 20:25 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/177PGZY.txt ) |
| 20:25 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 2 |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
but that's slow |
| 20:25 |
ben_vulpes |
b-b-b-b-bash buster! |
| 20:25 |
asciilifeform |
my cl often runs 1.5x or so of naive 'c' |
| 20:25 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: just getting rid of boost is going to entail that. |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone here know bishibosh ? |
| 20:25 |
asciilifeform |
because good native compiler. |
| 20:25 |
asciilifeform |
(sbcl) |
| 20:25 |
asciilifeform |
and annotations. |
| 20:25 |
ben_vulpes |
note that asciilifeform says "my cl". |
| 20:26 |
asciilifeform |
'my' is not mine alone, is common as dirt sbcl |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
good lord, he wants to rewrite cl as part of rewriting bitcoin |
| 20:26 |
ben_vulpes |
code quality and performance is highly dependent on author, skills. |
| 20:26 |
* |
asciilifeform has private fork of sbcl, it has nothing to do with this |
| 20:26 |
ben_vulpes |
haha |
| 20:26 |
asciilifeform |
dance quality depends on dancer, yes, news at 11 |
| 20:26 |
* |
ben_vulpes is entirely unsurprised. |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
so the plan is, a) make new processor file as ascii art in emacs |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
2... |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
3) profit ? |
| 20:27 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory sp4mz0r1ng - http://www.molboxllc.com/products.html << gadget runs entirely sbcl |
| 20:27 |
assbot |
MolBox LLC |
| 20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
this sounds familiar. |
| 20:27 |
asciilifeform |
my ancient gadget. |
| 20:27 |
asciilifeform |
golden toilet driver. |
| 20:28 |
asciilifeform |
~6k lines of cl. |
| 20:28 |
mats_cd03 |
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jimmy_fatwing/Military/infantry_knife.htm << i was taught to kill a man with a knife prison-style; reduce distance to <20ft for purpose of sprint (2 second rule: a man can travel 22ft/2s), clinch the neck or bear hug the man while stabbing at the heart with 45 degree angle |
| 20:28 |
assbot |
KNIFE FIGHTING |
| 20:28 |
BingoBoingo |
http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3947447 << Let's get Qntra on /. |
| 20:28 |
assbot |
US Company Seeks to offer Regulator Approved Bitcoin Options Market - Slashdot |
| 20:28 |
asciilifeform |
linked gadget runs on top of pedestrian gentoo on pedestrian x86. |
| 20:29 |
BingoBoingo |
<mats_cd03> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jimmy_fatwing/Military/infantry_knife.htm << i was taught to kill a man with a knife prison-style; reduce distance to <20ft for purpose of sprint (2 second rule: a man can travel 22ft/2s), clinch the neck or bear hug the man while stabbing at the heart with 45 degree angle << Seems to be the only way justifiable from a self defense standpoint |
| 20:29 |
assbot |
KNIFE FIGHTING |
| 20:29 |
asciilifeform |
- end of sp4mz0r1ng - |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 i think that only works on floor-shy victims neh ? |
| 20:29 |
BingoBoingo |
But heart is a hard target |
| 20:29 |
BingoBoingo |
literally, ribs |
| 20:30 |
undata |
BingoBoingo: probably hence the 45 |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves: so he can go to forest and see if it's broken << lawl. |
| 20:31 |
mats_cd03 |
mircea_popescu: yeah, victim could get on their back as a defense |
| 20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
victim could go down, take your feet from under you, have you fall on your own knife. |
| 20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
(you have a lot of forward mommentum running for the 22 feet in 2 s) |
| 20:32 |
BingoBoingo |
undata: Well you also have to consider, anatomically that mean focusing on their left side and trying to slot in between just the right ribs, vs left side just hitting anything open and soft hoping for the abdominal aorta |
| 20:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00080248 = 10.673 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: (rampant memory leakage is not 'works') << it's not rampant. more like a calender than a ruptured pipe. it... sweats memory :D |
| 20:33 |
* |
ben_vulpes watches lispy robot video |
| 20:33 |
* |
ben_vulpes misses working with robots |
| 20:33 |
asciilifeform |
knife << obligatory << http://rutube.ru/video/844941cc31e4e50995af168afcf2052b/?ref=logo |
| 20:33 |
assbot |
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| 20:34 |
asciilifeform |
'knife against pistol. actual effectiveness of blade' |
| 20:34 |
* |
asciilifeform not specialist |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce: did I get that about right? << "that bitcoin thing, aka some fiat nonsense trying to call itself bitcoin", rather than "this bitcoin thing" :) |
| 20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform gotta love how it's "pistolette" in russian. |
| 20:35 |
bounce |
plenty people falling for the ruse though |
| 20:36 |
* |
bounce wonders what this executive chief sellout thinks of that open letter posted by a member on their own forum |
| 20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla: my god this hag of a wife, god must be punishing by introducing her to me before bitcoin << tell us your pain brothar. we're the relationship support cult, among other things. |
| 20:37 |
* |
BingoBoingo suspects Matonis actually despises the monster he helped nurture |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce not his job to think. |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo he goes through phases. |
| 20:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Most people do, so has he had his period yet, or is he mourning starfish virginity? |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
starfish period. |
| 20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo originally he was all excited about derpfoundation. back then we were on speaking terms, so i told him he's nuts. he thought i was nuts. then he got all unexcited, and left. then he came back. now he's leaving. |
| 20:39 |
* |
mircea_popescu shrugs. |
| 20:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Seems to happen to a lot of the 2011-2012 Americans |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
you might remember all the huge tada in 2013 re putting a bunch of derps on the "press list" and excluding matonis, on the grounds that the derps were well versed in things from wikipedia practice or something |
| 20:40 |
BingoBoingo |
I remember |
| 20:41 |
ben_vulpes |
what the ever loving fuck is a press list and--nevermind. |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
a press list... |
| 20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes you got it. about the time i threw my hands up too. |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
... is a list of people who are to be pressed to death. |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
!s kill file |
| 20:41 |
assbot |
1 results for 'kill file' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kill+file |
| 20:41 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Twas the list the Foundation herded Journos towards |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
peine forte et dure. |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL: why would they do that? <<< because they're business school majors, and this means social studies, and this means they don't understand that words carry meaning. |
| 20:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00080436 = 3.7001 BTC [+] |
| 20:44 |
ben_vulpes |
ahhhh holy shit you guys i just bought a flipphone |
| 20:44 |
ben_vulpes |
prepaid minutes |
| 20:44 |
ben_vulpes |
it's got t9 |
| 20:44 |
ben_vulpes |
I STILL GOT IT BABY |
| 20:44 |
ben_vulpes |
hammering out texts without even looking at the keypad |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
how is this remarkable ? |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot: The Inside Story Of Matt Taibbi's Departure From First Look Media - The Intercept <<< what they don't want to say is teh real scoop - "people heard about the qntra model and it killed anyone's will to life i nany competing project." |
| 20:45 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Who here prefers other phones? |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
me. |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
samsung, too cheap to even justify the paint to put a model number on it. |
| 20:46 |
bounce |
nokia 6310. needs new battery. |
| 20:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Seriously wireless cheapass cellphone, because what else is it for? |
| 20:46 |
ben_vulpes |
guys quit trollin. |
| 20:46 |
ben_vulpes |
i run an ios shop. |
| 20:46 |
ben_vulpes |
android too these days. |
| 20:46 |
bounce |
no seriously. had an e52 but it sucked so much I went back. |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google samsung gt ? |
| 20:46 |
gribble |
GT-P3110 (GT-P3110TSEBTU) | Support | SAMSUNG UK: <http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/GT-P3110TSEBTU>; GT-E1190 | SAMSUNG UAE: <http://www.samsung.com/ae/consumer/mobile-phones/mobile-phones/bar/GT-E1190EBAXSG>; Galaxy S Duos 2 (GT-S7582ZKAMID) | Support | SAMSUNG Levant: <http://www.samsung.com/levant/support/model/GT-S7582ZKAMID> |
| 20:47 |
asciilifeform |
http://savok.name/uploads/telefon/14.jpg << best phone |
| 20:47 |
ben_vulpes |
it's got bluetooth lol |
| 20:48 |
ben_vulpes |
dafuq am i going to do with bt |
| 20:48 |
* |
BingoBoingo needs to get a Western Electric for the return of dialup days |
| 20:48 |
jurov |
http://i.sme.sk/cdata/2/73/7381042/model-telefon-stropkov-r188-st.ir3-_t600.jpg |
| 20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+gt-e1205q&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch << that |
| 20:48 |
assbot |
samsung gt-e1205q - Google Search |
| 20:48 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes> dafuq am i going to do with bt pop the chip out? |
| 20:48 |
jurov |
^ sadly, never went into rpoduction |
| 20:48 |
ben_vulpes |
lg440g |
| 20:49 |
ben_vulpes |
that looks downright vaginal jurov |
| 20:49 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo lives in town with intact copper ? |
| 20:49 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't |
| 20:49 |
kakobrekla |
<asciilifeform> http://savok.name/uploads/telefon/14.jpg << best phone < fixed : http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5fr8mcDLl1rxnd64o1_1280.jpg |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
it does look like pussy, jurov's phone... |
| 20:49 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: yours ? |
| 20:49 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Indeed. Used to be GTE, then Verizon, now Frontier or muni fiber |
| 20:50 |
kakobrekla |
there prolly one or two laying somewhere |
| 20:50 |
kakobrekla |
theres* |
| 20:50 |
asciilifeform |
not bakelite - not phone. |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2810500/Kim-Kardashian-speaks-conference-giving-glimpse-family-avatars-Hollywood-game.html |
| 20:50 |
assbot |
Kim Kardashian turns tech guru as she speaks at Recode conference | Daily Mail Online |
| 20:51 |
asciilifeform |
bt is actually useful in that, with a certain gizmo, lets you use 'real' phone |
| 20:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00080115 = 1.0415 BTC [-] |
| 20:51 |
asciilifeform |
like the soviet one |
| 20:51 |
bounce |
the samsung GT-E1107 is kinda cute except that the solar panel feature doesn't actually work very much at all. |
| 20:51 |
bounce |
also shittier sound quality than 6310. better battery life though, since newer. |
| 20:51 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Best video |
| 20:51 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2815042/Suspected-cop-killer-Eric-Frein-leading-cops-seven-week-manhunt.html |
| 20:51 |
assbot |
BREAKING NEWS: Suspected cop-killer Eric Frein FOUND after leading cops on seven-week manhunt | Daily Mail Online |
| 20:52 |
bounce |
seven weeks. does that resolve any bets? |
| 20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. |
| 20:53 |
kakobrekla |
asciilifeform that phone is quite famous. like model m for keyboards i hear. was designed by some slovenian dude. |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
forgot, who |
| 20:53 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Tube 5 is most important tube |
| 20:53 |
kakobrekla |
>It has been over 30 years since the distinguished Slovenian designer Davorin Savnik designed an Electronic Telephone Apparatus (ETA) 85 for Iskra. Beside the fact that it won numerous awards for design and that you can still see the phone being used today, the design got stolen and was a big hit in USA. |
| 20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty cool |
| 20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: See, my reading of the story is that the Silicon Valley management style is even more broken than typical 'Murican MBA bullshit. <<< really, it's just a lot more inconsistent. meaning the scary stories are TRUELY scary. |
| 20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much the only thing us management has going for it generally is consistency anyway. |
| 20:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Which is broken when it comes to punishment |
| 20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
consistency has its own sort of hell, so it all depends. |
| 20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google jennifer aniston in that retarded film with the flares |
| 20:56 |
gribble |
Jennifer Aniston said 'retard' and now everyone is mad at her: <http://www.inquisitr.com/82638/jennifer-aniston-retard/>; IMDb: Video disc collection - a list by Alan Poon: <http://www.imdb.com/list/ls008402275/>; 2011 Movie Preview - Collider: <http://collider.com/2011-movie-preview/> |
| 20:57 |
mats_cd03 |
lol |
| 20:57 |
undata |
how many years will I be waiting for a blockchain |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
undata: mine went for ~8 hours until croaked. |
| 20:57 |
BingoBoingo |
undata: We don't measure time here with years. We use halvings and blockdepth |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
your result will depend, at the least, on bandwidth. |
| 20:58 |
undata |
asciilifeform: I'll keep logs |
| 20:58 |
ben_vulpes |
and if unpatched - 0.5.3 will wedge at some large block. |
| 20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes a good look as to specifically w |
| 20:58 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903928 |
| 20:58 |
assbot |
Logged on 30-10-2014 18:53:30; assbot: Logged on 30-10-2014 17:09:54; asciilifeform: in other news, turd firmly wedged at block height 252450. |
| 20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
WHY it wedges where is already gravy for our little project here., |
| 20:59 |
ben_vulpes |
ah - asciilifeform which block number? |
| 20:59 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 20:59 |
ben_vulpes |
ah ty |
| 20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000098/ << this chick;s career is really fucking sad. |
| 20:59 |
assbot |
Jennifer Aniston - IMDb |
| 20:59 |
ben_vulpes |
my 0.5.3 is down because xcode is a resource hog |
| 20:59 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: i was gonna toss the toy os |
| 20:59 |
* |
asciilifeform wants no #ifdefs in book |
| 21:00 |
* |
asciilifeform could stomach if necessary for openbsd |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` you're not serious if you don't put #ifdef book : turn page on the cover. |
| 21:00 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: toss toss |
| 21:00 |
ben_vulpes |
i run litecoin (tee hee) in vm. |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
Terrible Operating System System ? |
| 21:01 |
ben_vulpes |
is not buildable on TOYOS |
| 21:01 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Her career is sad because of the Sitcom curse. If one successfully does TV, the best they can hope for is to do Windows ads with Bill Gates as Seinfeld did. |
| 21:01 |
* |
asciilifeform has no idea who this is, but knows how gorbachev ended with 'pizza hut.' |
| 21:01 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`: needs endif on rear cover |
| 21:01 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo yeah looks like an inverted porn career. chick turns 17 and 11 months, does 170 featurs that year, then 50 the next and then 2 a year to pay rent til 65. |
| 21:01 |
ben_vulpes |
now this is an oddity |
| 21:02 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Pretty much how it goes. |
| 21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform she's the sorta-fuckable cali blonde that tits-and-assgelina jolie massacred to get the mimbo at the time |
| 21:02 |
BingoBoingo |
On the plus side though B movies have never been this profitable ever in history thanks to netflix |
| 21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i forget who his name is. played flock of seagulls in true romance |
| 21:03 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't know who jolie is/was either, but no matter |
| 21:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Ben Affleck, next Batman |
| 21:03 |
ben_vulpes |
252448 is 243.23046875 KB according to blockchain.info |
| 21:03 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform doesn't know who jolie is/was either, but no matter << Titless IRL Laura Croft |
| 21:03 |
ben_vulpes |
and 252450 243.0712890625 KB ibid |
| 21:03 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, turd exhausts ram even if left to suffer in its attempt to fetch blocks |
| 21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform http://media.santabanta.com/newsite/newsmaker/images/angelina_jolie12.jpg basically. |
| 21:04 |
* |
ben_vulpes is desperate to see logs from that block, but must run own self. |
| 21:04 |
* |
asciilifeform deliberately did not yet post debug.log, to encourage folks to run on their own |
| 21:04 |
ben_vulpes |
oh i can tell |
| 21:05 |
ben_vulpes |
dickhead |
| 21:05 |
asciilifeform |
ehe. |
| 21:05 |
ben_vulpes |
t9 is a lost technology like lisp. |
| 21:05 |
* |
asciilifeform shoves crate of phones with t9 |
| 21:05 |
asciilifeform |
some 'lost.' |
| 21:05 |
BingoBoingo |
lulz http://slashdot.org/submission/3947303/say-something-nice-about-systemd |
| 21:05 |
assbot |
Say Something Nice About systemd - Slashdot |
| 21:05 |
ben_vulpes |
kiddo to my right laughed at me when i started texting lady v - "how are you even going to -- whoaaaaa." |
| 21:06 |
asciilifeform |
somebody wake up diametric |
| 21:06 |
asciilifeform |
he likes systemd i think |
| 21:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Prolly Harry Poettering himself |
| 21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
he's not gonna pull a pankkake on us over it is he ? |
| 21:06 |
asciilifeform |
nah i think it enables laziness somehow |
| 21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
somehow ? how about "can't read the system logs no more!" |
| 21:07 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/gXXpVHE.jpg |
| 21:07 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1W5SGHR.txt ) |
| 21:07 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
| 21:07 |
asciilifeform |
he has something grunted together that works almost like real computer |
| 21:07 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`: what the fuck. |
| 21:07 |
nubbins` |
hahahah |
| 21:07 |
asciilifeform |
no idea how, when he wakes up perhaps will say |
| 21:08 |
nubbins` |
there are larger blocks than 252448 before it |
| 21:08 |
nubbins` |
sec |
| 21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` which one is obama ? |
| 21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i give up ? |
| 21:08 |
asciilifeform |
i suspect, though cannot say for certain, that there is nothing magic about 252448 |
| 21:08 |
nubbins` |
https://blockchain.info/block-index/314817 |
| 21:08 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Block #252445 |
| 21:08 |
asciilifeform |
and that db caught obola at some point because ram exhausted |
| 21:08 |
nubbins` |
^ 252445, >340kb |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
and never recovered |
| 21:09 |
nubbins` |
yeah i've suffered a couple chokes here but seems to be still downloading blocks |
| 21:09 |
nubbins` |
currently at 155369 |
| 21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
well the b onus of leaking software is that it's guaranteed to act impredictably at least some of the time |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: also remember that there is no deterministic test of bitcoind, nor can there be |
| 21:10 |
asciilifeform |
except, possibly, an elaborate network sim |
| 21:10 |
asciilifeform |
this has been done |
| 21:10 |
ben_vulpes |
this is actually a thing that i am working on. |
| 21:10 |
asciilifeform |
when i was dabbling in '07 with my not-bitcoin-that-shall-not-be-spoken-of - i used one. |
| 21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
of the whole thing ? no. of parts of the whole thing ? |
| 21:10 |
asciilifeform |
parts - yes. |
| 21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
this'd seem a part. |
| 21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
ianap |
| 21:11 |
ben_vulpes |
not being cpp competent, a useful thing for me to do is write a bash btc harness that points bitcoinds at each other for mining, tx validation, broadcast, etc. |
| 21:11 |
ben_vulpes |
harkens back to my work with robots at one point. |
| 21:11 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: this will not test behaviour with ill-behaved nodes. |
| 21:11 |
Luke-Jr |
kakobrekla: do I need to ban you from the wiki, or will you respect alphabetical order on the Gambling list from now on? |
| 21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller listen, you ever got that cookieshop thing off the ground ? actually deliering ? |
| 21:12 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: this *can* test behavior with ill-behaved nodes. |
| 21:12 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: yes. but you have to create the ill-behaved nodes. |
| 21:12 |
ben_vulpes |
what, am i to expect my test harness to sprout warts spontaneously? |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
have to simulate various classes of evil node |
| 21:13 |
ben_vulpes |
i know that i'm a barbarian but i'm more of a Sven than a Hulk. |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
and hope you've imagined all possible universes. |
| 21:13 |
ben_vulpes |
clearly impossible. |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
or - realize that testing doesn't actually work. |
| 21:13 |
ben_vulpes |
what is "work" |
| 21:13 |
ben_vulpes |
testing answers specific questions. |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 21:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Luke-Jr: People still use wiki? |
| 21:14 |
ben_vulpes |
in the notion of testing with which I am familiar at least. |
| 21:14 |
ben_vulpes |
what these software cultists do -- has no bearing. |
| 21:14 |
ben_vulpes |
test, collect data, cogitate. |
| 21:14 |
ben_vulpes |
repeat. |
| 21:14 |
ben_vulpes |
this is an arduous process. |
| 21:14 |
ben_vulpes |
as your robot attests to. |
| 21:14 |
nubbins` |
there's a wiki? |
| 21:15 |
undata |
there's something beautiful about downloading the blockchain |
| 21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
will kako's trolling wonders never cease ? |
| 21:15 |
nubbins` |
undata o.O |
| 21:15 |
undata |
sitting back while history replays at high speed |
| 21:15 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 21:15 |
BingoBoingo |
nubbins`: The bitcoin.it thing Gox turned over to Thermos |
| 21:15 |
nubbins` |
y'know, i've got a newspaper for sale... |
| 21:15 |
ben_vulpes |
> 36983pankkake13luke-jr2014-10-20 18:03:571Technically competent |
| 21:15 |
nubbins` |
BingoBoingo, i kid ;/ |
| 21:15 |
asciilifeform |
i had it scroll to terminal for a spell |
| 21:15 |
asciilifeform |
and thought various thoughts. |
| 21:15 |
kakobrekla |
Luke-Jr ah didnt know it was alphabetical. i thought dicks come first. |
| 21:15 |
asciilifeform |
'aha, block xxxxx, this is when i tried mining on fpga' |
| 21:15 |
asciilifeform |
etc |
| 21:16 |
kakobrekla |
Luke-Jr will respect you authoritah on the wiki. |
| 21:16 |
BingoBoingo |
!n 3 |
| 21:16 |
undata |
nubbins`: a global permanent record of anything you like; your newspaper can suck it. |
| 21:16 |
asciilifeform |
'this here's the block where i stuffed $redacted' |
| 21:16 |
ben_vulpes |
undata: tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log |
| 21:17 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: am! |
| 21:17 |
asciilifeform |
'and this here's where $alsoredacted lives' |
| 21:17 |
BingoBoingo |
kakobrekla: Sounds like you need a domain redirecting to BitBet such as aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaBitbet.su |
| 21:17 |
kakobrekla |
lets when |
| 21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform so you're the guy that put child pronz in the block ? |
| 21:18 |
asciilifeform |
better |
| 21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
what could be better. |
| 21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
bureaucrat pronz ? |
| 21:19 |
asciilifeform |
'the secret of being a bore is to tell all' |
| 21:19 |
nubbins` |
insurance.aes |
| 21:19 |
assbot |
Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/04506QN.txt ) |
| 21:19 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 5 |
| 21:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00080104 = 4.0453 BTC [-] |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform and therefore the secret to being a whore is to fuck all ? |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, good predictive power in your semantic structure. |
| 21:22 |
* |
asciilifeform not specialist |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
blame voltaire, he, afaik, coughed that one up |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
the secret to being a store is to keep all... |
| 21:22 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform and therefore the secret to being a whore is to fuck all ? << No, secret to being a whore is to be firm on prices. |
| 21:22 |
mircea_popescu |
the secret to being a core is to leak all... |
| 21:22 |
undata |
the secret to being a whore is to fuck all |
| 21:23 |
nubbins` |
leak all the memories |
| 21:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, yeah, core memory is super tempestable |
| 21:23 |
asciilifeform |
the secret of being a war... |
| 21:23 |
mircea_popescu |
r-r-r-r-rhymebreaker! |
| 21:23 |
asciilifeform |
my grandfather worked on a hydraulic computer. memory literally leaked. |
| 21:24 |
mircea_popescu |
not through software fault |
| 21:24 |
asciilifeform |
hard to be certain |
| 21:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Hardware breaks first! |
| 21:24 |
mircea_popescu |
lol that hard :D |
| 21:24 |
undata |
asciilifeform: http://gizmodo.com/5879106/the-russian-computer-that-ran-on-water ? |
| 21:24 |
assbot |
The Russian Computer That Ran On Water |
| 21:24 |
asciilifeform |
no. smaller thing, his own |
| 21:25 |
asciilifeform |
not historically notable, afaik. |
| 21:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"also ran on beer" |
| 21:26 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/files/images/BenderBeer051811.jpg |
| 21:26 |
nubbins` |
i made cheese beer bread today |
| 21:26 |
nubbins` |
so yum |
| 21:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00080197 = 8.6212 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:32 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: regarding db, would you loathe sqlite? |
| 21:32 |
undata |
those can get pretty massive and still do well |
| 21:33 |
asciilifeform |
undata: i'd like zero library deps. |
| 21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
undata i wouldn't loathe anything |
| 21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
it's all the other haters one gotta worry about |
| 21:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Bitcoin's not going anywhere, if you are going to introduce a dependency for storage why not just leap to ZFS? |
| 21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo asciilifeform was talking of a whole fs. |
| 21:33 |
Luke-Jr |
kakobrekla: thanks |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
result should be ROMable on a 486. |
| 21:34 |
undata |
well, you'll otherwise reinvent acid and whatnot yourself |
| 21:34 |
undata |
which is fine |
| 21:34 |
undata |
but that should be the goal then |
| 21:34 |
Luke-Jr |
kakobrekla: anything we can do to make it clearer? there should have been a comment at the top explaining |
| 21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
now the advantage to an actual fs is that since you know your blocks wil be 1mb tops, you can actually make the sectors 1mb size. |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu has his thinking helmet on! |
| 21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform actually i just had my finger in the right cunt. |
| 21:34 |
nubbins` |
right on |
| 21:34 |
kakobrekla |
Luke-Jr maybe its just common sense, that i lack of. |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
also wurks. |
| 21:35 |
Luke-Jr |
kakobrekla: heh, well, the whole reason for that policy was because people kept fighting over order/positioning on that page XD |
| 21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
tho honestly i am not convinced a fs is less work than a byodb hook |
| 21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe much sexier, i dunno. |
| 21:35 |
asciilifeform |
it isn't less. |
| 21:35 |
nubbins` |
running stock 0.5.3 is less work ;) |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
yes, because doesn't work. |
| 21:36 |
BingoBoingo |
FFS can take you up to 2 TB |
| 21:36 |
kakobrekla |
Luke-Jr let us fight. we will see who the better coder is. |
| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
Luke-Jr from experince, nothing short of a site random display will solv that problem |
| 21:36 |
kakobrekla |
anyway, brb |
| 21:36 |
Luke-Jr |
kakobrekla: O.o |
| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
people will start registering 1something domains link them to their main site |
| 21:37 |
Luke-Jr |
mircea_popescu: well, that's why we go based on the main site name, not the domain |
| 21:37 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu let them do 1. ill start with 0. |
| 21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess. |
| 21:37 |
kakobrekla |
so we rename bitbet to 0bet |
| 21:37 |
nubbins` |
A-1 Betting Inc. |
| 21:37 |
Luke-Jr |
randomising might work if that gets abused, but that takes effort |
| 21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
000losses.betsite.biz |
| 21:38 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 21:38 |
mircea_popescu |
Luke-Jr i'd think randomising entries less effort than policing "main domain name" rules, but anyway, no idea wtf this even is so. |
| 21:38 |
* |
asciilifeform read that useless piece re: herr omidyar, kept waiting for it to mention his specialty as no. 1 hoarder and withholder of snowden turd. then saw that article is by 'greenwald, poitras, ...' |
| 21:38 |
mircea_popescu |
dun mind me. |
| 21:38 |
nubbins` |
_youraddictionbyplacinganotherbet.us |
| 21:38 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform myeah. encouraging how clearly you can see right through their bs. |
| 21:39 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: If it were only a management dispute why would I link it? |
| 21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently one doesn't need a politix degree. |
| 21:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: a retarded 5yo can see clean through it |
| 21:39 |
Luke-Jr |
mircea_popescu: well, that's part of why the comment states upfront you'll just get banned first time if you screw with the order - I just noticed kakobrekla's name so decided it'd be better to talk to him here first instead :p |
| 21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it's my expectation of 5yos, yes, but recently they make broken ones or something. |
| 21:39 |
kakobrekla |
Luke-Jr good call! :) |
| 21:39 |
asciilifeform |
modern world amazes with its ability to manufacture broken. |
| 21:39 |
asciilifeform |
!s flashlight crash |
| 21:39 |
assbot |
1 results for 'flashlight crash' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=flashlight+crash |
| 21:39 |
Luke-Jr |
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Random looks useful |
| 21:39 |
assbot |
Extension:Random - MediaWiki |
| 21:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00079632 = 2.9464 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:41 |
undata |
asciilifeform: how else were they supposed to hotfix it later? |
| 21:41 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 21:41 |
undata |
asciilifeform: though there's the risk of a bad flash |
| 21:42 |
asciilifeform |
undata: afaik it was a mask rom. |
| 21:43 |
undata |
then my joke is dead to me |
| 21:44 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: crab bus << reminds me of my consulting partner's tale of the rat temple in his home town |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform of course you realise with 1mb sectors the current size of the charade would be 30+ gb. |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, 3x what it is. |
| 21:44 |
asciilifeform |
they get milk dishes, but will happily nibble on the toes of the maths students who visit |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/for-capitalism/ << i forgot to link this |
| 21:44 |
assbot |
For Capitalism! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 21:44 |
asciilifeform |
30+gb << 40gB was the turd upon croaking |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
that is, with 2/3 finished blockchain |
| 21:45 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> they get milk dishes, but will happily nibble on the toes of the maths students who visit << What, no warfarin in the milk? |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
nein |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
rats - holy. |
| 21:45 |
BingoBoingo |
But dumber than mice |
| 21:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Though more organized |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.lovethesepics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/pampered-rats-at-rat-temple.jpg |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-8kIGkSd5HlY/UFdBJkTZo-I/AAAAAAAAdLQ/oGTBToZyGR8/karni-mata-temple-6%25255B2%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800 |
| 21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i missed a zero baby. |
| 21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 327763 / 1024 |
| 21:46 |
gribble |
320.081054688 |
| 21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
320 gb |
| 21:46 |
asciilifeform |
disk longa, vita brevis |
| 21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
it'll be a tough sell. |
| 21:46 |
asciilifeform |
can compress below fs layer, realize |
| 21:46 |
asciilifeform |
a la 'doublespace.' |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
if only basic rll |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
(run length encode) |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
no need to ever store a mb of zero |
| 21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
if anyone is a hdd afficionado, do some math as to what gain in speed justifies a 5x gain in file size ? at current and/or historical price per speed and price per size. |
| 21:48 |
asciilifeform |
again, compress. |
| 21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform if you compress below fs layer then the fixed blocks thing is kinda a meh idea. |
| 21:48 |
asciilifeform |
sufficiently smart fs will compact runs. |
| 21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
do you even have a candidate for pillaging in mind or wtf fs is even trustworthy |
| 21:49 |
asciilifeform |
when i said fs, |
| 21:49 |
asciilifeform |
meant - fs crafted for the occasion. |
| 21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
what, all new code ? |
| 21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
gtfo. |
| 21:49 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 21:49 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0QAFFAK.txt ) |
| 21:49 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 3 |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
rewriting bitcoin is one thing. writing a new fs is a fucking dumb idea. |
| 21:50 |
asciilifeform |
blockchain gets a block device. |
| 21:50 |
BingoBoingo |
What's wrong with FFS? ... In one of its hundreds of incarnations... |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
there is no way you can do anything novel and useful in terms of fs. |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
either one or the other. not both. |
| 21:51 |
asciilifeform |
existing fs are built to be 'all things to all people' |
| 21:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00079592 = 4.1388 BTC [-] |
| 21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform so what, only support s.nsa produced hard drives ? |
| 21:51 |
asciilifeform |
nein |
| 21:51 |
asciilifeform |
just, normal lba drives. |
| 21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
so who are you going to steal the hardware drivers from |
| 21:51 |
asciilifeform |
what drivers. |
| 21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe i don't iunderstand what you mean by "make own fs" and "bare metal" in that order. |
| 21:52 |
asciilifeform |
if we're talking about a metal port, i'd use my pio hdd driver (about 1k asm) |
| 21:52 |
asciilifeform |
works on every machine i own. |
| 21:52 |
asciilifeform |
a purist - can use x86 bios 'int 13' block routine. (slower) |
| 21:53 |
asciilifeform |
if we're talking about a humbler turd that runs on unix, it'd take /dev/sdwhateverthefuck' |
| 21:53 |
asciilifeform |
and crap directly therein. |
| 21:53 |
* |
mircea_popescu is in over his head in this discussion. |
| 21:54 |
asciilifeform |
('metal port' being a hypothetical 'bitcoind' that boots up as x86 os) |
| 21:55 |
asciilifeform |
('pio' - programmed i/o, mode of using standard 'ata' without dma. used by simple schoolboy operating systems for x86) |
| 21:55 |
asciilifeform |
('int 13' - traditional x86 bios interrupt function which exists to this day, used by most os boot loaders to fetch kernel from disk) |
| 21:55 |
asciilifeform |
controller-agnostic. |
| 21:56 |
asciilifeform |
/dev/sdX - raw block device present on all unix systems, represents a block device - e.g., hard disk - as a sequence of blocks of N (usually 512) bytes |
| 21:56 |
asciilifeform |
on ancient boxes with parallel 'ata' - /dev/hdX |
| 21:58 |
* |
BingoBoingo will now drop that http://datarecovery.com/about/ has been seeking russian speakers to operate "PC 9000" hard drive firmaware tool since I part timed there in 2004. |
| 21:58 |
assbot |
About | Datarecovery.com |
| 21:58 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
| 21:58 |
asciilifeform |
even now?! |
| 21:58 |
mircea_popescu |
jejeje |
| 21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Last I checked. They opened the Toronto lab entirely for recruiting russian speakers |
| 22:00 |
* |
BingoBoingo remembers being paid dor a tape cataloguing job one summer partially in vodka |
| 22:01 |
* |
BingoBoingo disappointed they redesigned their website into a js turd |
| 22:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://pastebin.com/CugtJUXt << int 13 |
| 22:02 |
assbot |
[ASM (NASM)] int 13 - Pastebin.com |
| 22:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh noes http://slashdot.org/submission/3947447/us-company-seeks-to-offer-regulator-approved-bitcoin-options-market is down to blue |
| 22:02 |
assbot |
US Company Seeks to offer Regulator Approved Bitcoin Options Market - Slashdot |
| 22:04 |
mircea_popescu |
is that a good thing ? |
| 22:04 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: remember the fella who booted linux on dead 'seagate' pcbs ? |
| 22:04 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: afaik he did it by reversing ye olde 'pc 9000' |
| 22:04 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Bad thing |
| 22:04 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I do indeed |
| 22:08 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: seeking russian speakers to operate << srsly, operate, not translate ? |
| 22:09 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_BeGDkNRtA << non-obligatory, but goes with the theme |
| 22:09 |
assbot |
Bach - Little Fugue on Eight Floppy Drives - YouTube |
| 22:10 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Maybe both. Maybe they have a new firmware tool? They really wanted operators though because PC 9000 kept pissing Ben off. |
| 22:10 |
asciilifeform |
(theme of block devices...) |
| 22:12 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: As far as the history of that firm goes though he did start out though as an audio/speaker guy |
| 22:12 |
asciilifeform |
probably began by driving ancient hdd 'voice coils' directly with his amps... |
| 22:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2742 @ 0.00079762 = 2.1871 BTC [+] |
| 22:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Began by doing work setting up for various "bands" and saying technology and finding out people were approaching him with dead hard drives because he said technology |
| 22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://33.media.tumblr.com/019c4f744bdafc23d8eaecd88aeb4ac7/tumblr_mtsv9elrCH1swtr5so1_500.gif << speaking of turds and all that. |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
she must've cleaned the last throne with eyes. |
| 22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
1k eyeballs right ? |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
1m! |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
them. |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 22:46 |
nubbins` |
downloading the blockchain is slooooow. |
| 22:46 |
BingoBoingo |
nubbins`: The indexing is slower. |
| 22:46 |
nubbins` |
i'll bet |
| 22:47 |
nubbins` |
running this in a vm, worth throwing extra ram at it? |
| 22:47 |
nubbins` |
i've got a paltry gb allocated now |
| 22:48 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKuatNrLHLY << with english translation in 'show more' box |
| |
↖ |
| 22:48 |
assbot |
17 Moments of Spring - Gde-To Daleko (Somewhere Far Away) HQ - YouTube |
| 22:48 |
asciilifeform |
(re: 'go into forest') |
| 22:49 |
dignork |
nubbins`: btw if you're trying to boot the 0.5.3 version, try the -testnet first, the db is smaller, and it's supposed to contain borderline crazy transactions |
| 22:49 |
mats_cd03 |
mircea_popescu: i retched |
| 22:50 |
nubbins` |
dignork thanks, good tip |
| 22:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00079905 = 8.1503 BTC [+] |
| 23:00 |
dignork |
nubbins`: I cowrdly take this back: current testnet is a 3rd chain - I think genesis block was switched, but not sure when exactly, so 0.5.3 might have an old genesis block :( |
| 23:01 |
nubbins` |
no sweat |
| 23:04 |
dignork |
yup, no dice: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Testnet - "Testnet3 is the current test network. It was introduced with the 0.7 release, introduced a third genesis block..." |
| 23:04 |
assbot |
Testnet - Bitcoin |
| 23:06 |
kakobrekla |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5sUIa1wXKk |
| 23:06 |
assbot |
Butnskala - Lisice - YouTube |
| 23:07 |
kakobrekla |
(relevant to ebola) |
| 23:13 |
BingoBoingo |
kakobrekla: Also Futbol Americano |
| 23:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Going off of the concusion leap |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
<nubbins`> running this in a vm, worth throwing extra ram at it? <<< yes, up to 16gb markedly helps |
| 23:24 |
BingoBoingo |
So I'm pricing used workstations. All of the opteron based stuff in the past 6 years is pretty equivalent, yes? |
| 23:26 |
* |
BingoBoingo asks because this beauty? Under $300? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Ultra-40-2xDual-Core-2-4GHz-16gb-1x250GB-Quadro-FX-4500-DVD-4xAvailable-/151458445675?pt=US_Thin_Clients&hash=item2343a0796b |
| 23:26 |
assbot |
Sun Ultra 40 2XDUAL Core 2 4GHz 16GB 1X250GB Quadro FX 4500 DVD 4XAVAILABLE | eBay |
| 23:27 |
BingoBoingo |
http://slashdot.org/submission/3947571/do-you-know-the-three-main-causes-of-prostatitis-for-teenagers |
| 23:27 |
assbot |
Do you know the three main causes of prostatitis for teenagers - Slashdot |
| 23:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Holy shit!!! Who do people even buy new computers? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-690-10-Pack-2-x-DCX-2-66Ghz-4GB-667Mhz-146GB-15K-7-Pro/120625143566?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27538%26meid%3D06f913a9ae9b4c19bbef119b93c13ee7%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D11353%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26 |
| 23:31 |
assbot |
Precision 690 10 Pack 2 x DCX 2 66GHz 4GB 667MHz 146GB 15K 7 Pro | eBay |
| 23:33 |
kakobrekla |
10 pack lol |
| 23:38 |
BingoBoingo |
I know! |
| 23:38 |
BingoBoingo |
I could start a university computer lab with that shit |
| 23:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Right after I buy/conquer a university |
| 23:40 |
mod6 |
the fs idea is sexy, and indeed ufs2 w/soft updates would be probably best, which is default for everything post fbsd 5 iirc. |
| 23:41 |
mats_cd03 |
BingoBoingo: youre tempting me to buy a workstation of my own |
| 23:41 |
mod6 |
but sounds like we're getting into RE-ENGINEER ALL THE THINGS if we start to not trust whatever is already out there |
| 23:41 |
* |
mats_cd03 browses craigslist |
| 23:41 |
BingoBoingo |
mats_cd03: I have wanted ECC ram for about a decade now, but never pulled the trigger on it |
| 23:43 |
mats_cd03 |
i was under the impression most motherboards support ECC and non-ECC |
| 23:43 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: idea was, blockchain, as potentially the majority user of future hdd space on planet, deserves own (ab initio) scheme of mapping to block device. |
| 23:45 |
BingoBoingo |
mats_cd03: From what I understand ECC is still a luxury sold to the discerning which the "cloud" is trying to handwave over |
| 23:45 |
asciilifeform |
mats_cd03: no |
| 23:45 |
mats_cd03 |
hm. |
| 23:46 |
asciilifeform |
ecc with amd cpu - almost impossible to obtain now. ecc on intel - on high-end 'xeon' boards. |
| 23:46 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: perhaps. i worry that we're all of the sudden going to fork *bsd and make mpexos |
| 23:46 |
BingoBoingo |
mod6: I prefer the term Stanix |
| 23:46 |
mod6 |
heheh |
| 23:46 |
mod6 |
not bad :] |
| 23:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Now that people are finally reading GNU utils I imagine split will be from OpenBSD 5.X -current |
| 23:47 |
* |
asciilifeform innocent of ab initio unixen, other than as school homework |
| 23:47 |
* |
asciilifeform would like to stay that way |
| 23:48 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, real Unix exists... in Textbooks |
| 23:48 |
mod6 |
do you mean 'real' as in systemv? |
| 23:49 |
BingoBoingo |
mod6: Real as in... before system* |
| 23:49 |
* |
asciilifeform downed pilot not worm connoisseur |
| 23:49 |
BingoBoingo |
back when it was version* |
| 23:49 |
* |
asciilifeform swears by 'unix hater's handbook' |
| 23:49 |
* |
BingoBoingo has several coppies |
| 23:50 |
BingoBoingo |
My domicile was slow rolled by the local 5-0 about half an our ago so mzt misssspelt words |
| 23:51 |
* |
asciilifeform had to look up most of above to make any sense |
| 23:52 |
mod6 |
so, since we're talking about it, what would be the most idea env for such a reference implentation? a fully stripped openbsd with a custom fs & drivers? |
| 23:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16432 @ 0.00079592 = 13.0786 BTC [-] |
| 23:52 |
* |
BingoBoingo really wants the disorderly conduct case to fucking end |
| 23:52 |
BingoBoingo |
mod6: OpenBSD on its own is prolly hostile enough to dev in |
| 23:52 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: custom fs doesn't require an os-level turd, just a raw block device that the process is permitted to r/w. |
| 23:52 |
mod6 |
s/openbsd/*bsd |
| 23:53 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: idea being, among other merits, that in the future shedding the os entirely will be considerably easier. |
| 23:53 |
mod6 |
so you wouldn't say, want to strip kern mods out or whatever? |
| 23:53 |
mod6 |
what about wintel eth drivers? |
| 23:53 |
asciilifeform |
that's a separate work |
| 23:54 |
mod6 |
what about like 69000 other things? |
| 23:54 |
asciilifeform |
what other things? |
| 23:54 |
BingoBoingo |
What ken mods? OpenBSD offers two kernels bsd and bsd.mp, if you want more fuck you |
| 23:54 |
asciilifeform |
the only devices a hypothetical bitcoin x86 os needs to comprehend is disk and nic |
| 23:55 |
asciilifeform |
disk - see example posted earlier (< 1 kb asm) |
| 23:55 |
mod6 |
eh..nm |
| 23:55 |
asciilifeform |
nic - similar. see example in 'bare metal os' (bsd license, iirc) |
| 23:55 |
* |
asciilifeform just wanted a fucking book |
| 23:56 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Problem is book has wants too |
| 23:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00079592 = 5.7306 BTC [-] |
| 23:56 |
asciilifeform |
'first the man takes a drink, then the drink takes a drink, then the drink takes the man' |
| 23:56 |
asciilifeform |
(jp?) |
| 23:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Indeeds |
| 23:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Prolly universal |
| 23:57 |
asciilifeform |
one of the things pretty much no one (save possibly mircea_popescu) seems to comprehend is that bitcoin is, what old timers call - 'safety critical code' |
| 23:58 |
asciilifeform |
as in, would you want a multithreaded os like unix on, e.g., pacemaker ? |
| 23:58 |
asciilifeform |
safety critical means not always death, but wors |
| 23:58 |
asciilifeform |
e |
| 23:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Actually... in cariac replacement parts, mechanical failures tend to kill first. |
| 23:59 |
asciilifeform |
like, your whole reich goes down |
| 23:59 |
BingoBoingo |
like dad's brave little plastic aortic valve |