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00:00 BingoBoingo mod6: The same way congress overreaches by proposing ex-post facto laws contrary to the constitution like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-PATRIOT_Act
00:00 assbot Ex-PATRIOT Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xTAQ6H )
00:00 BingoBoingo Nominally they say anti-trust.
00:00 BingoBoingo In reality they jsut contravene actual law for 10 minutes of voter attention.
00:01 mod6 haha. it's nuts.
00:01 mod6 what a waste of taxpayer money
00:01 BingoBoingo Totally.
00:01 BingoBoingo So the StL rams majority owner proposed a new stadium complex in LA.
00:02 mod6 so they're gonna be the LA Rams again?
00:02 BingoBoingo A veto block of other team owners opposes the rams moving because it would prevent them from blackmailing their city governments with the threat of a move to LA
00:03 mod6 heheh
00:03 BingoBoingo My money would be on London Rams and LA Raiders.
00:03 mod6 really?
00:03 BingoBoingo Yeah.
00:03 BingoBoingo But you prolly wouldn't like my odds
00:04 BingoBoingo Because of the way the 4 outcome bet would lay out... unfriendly to any who touch it.
00:06 ben_vulpes god finally logged up
00:06 mod6 more and more like airstrip one all the time
00:06 BingoBoingo Indeed
00:07 mod6 Hi ben_vulpes!
00:07 BingoBoingo The United States though probably leads the world in circus mobility
00:07 * BingoBoingo wonders if circus obility command is an actual office somewhere
00:07 BingoBoingo !up WolfGoethe
00:07 BingoBoingo WolfGoethe: Have you been watching the longs in the interim since MP stripped your voice?
00:08 WolfGoethe nope, coding a new btc escrow market
00:09 BingoBoingo Sounds dangerous.
00:09 WolfGoethe only one out now is localbitcoins, could use alot of improvement
00:10 BingoBoingo As far as anyone knows localbitcoins is 3 Belgians and a 5Is leak.
00:11 BingoBoingo If actual and not alt gribble was around #bitcoin-otc would be prime for action
00:11 WolfGoethe 5ls leak? what does that mean?
00:11 BingoBoingo WolfGoethe: Not 5ls, 5Is
00:12 ben_vulpes hola mod6
00:12 ben_vulpes dunno if anyone ever noticed this but the gpg.db file has a users table
00:12 ben_vulpes as does the ratingsystem.db file
00:13 * ben_vulpes had not planned on a normalization excursion tonight, rather, wanted the otc db shooped into mother postgres
00:23 mircea_popescu <undata> it's that imitative mind << imitathive
00:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78595 @ 0.00063523 = 49.9259 BTC [-] {4}
00:24 mircea_popescu <assbot> Logged on 06-12-2014 02:50:54; decimation: apparently they kicked the guy off the project because of his refusal to commit a pronoun patch << well he wasn't being paid, so technically they uh.
00:26 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lmao buterin is still clogging the pipes ?
00:27 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He is, and I intend to shit in his mouth every step of the way if I can keep my dietary fiber intake up.
00:28 mircea_popescu enjoy.
00:28 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because for some reason he didn't die wit Bitcoin Ragazine
00:29 mircea_popescu this is the blockchain technologies / ethereum guy isn't he ?
00:29 mircea_popescu somehow i have trouble distinguishing all the biafra faces of these "entrepreneur" folk
00:29 BingoBoingo I dunno they differ much. Vitalik though is the singular name ethereum invokes.
00:33 mircea_popescu mod6: and "glory" or w/e << soviet sports kinda beat us sports on this model.
00:34 BingoBoingo In hockey the Canadians and Somalians kinda beat them both.
00:34 mircea_popescu well no more soviets anymoar.
00:34 undata @mircea_popescu | <undata> it's that imitative mind << imitathive << the reddit hive seems to have caused a malfunction in something very normal and human
00:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.0006407 = 6.8875 BTC [+]
00:34 undata where the thing that causes most people to follow someone and obey has wrapped around itself
00:35 undata *caused
00:35 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: What did Chicago become then when Obama surrendered to Raoul???
00:35 undata reddit as a sort of shared mindless leader, or at least a point to swarm around
00:35 mircea_popescu well yeah. i wish there was reddit spray for ants
00:35 mircea_popescu get each ant think the other ant is the queen
00:35 mircea_popescu watch some pretty sick fractal motion
00:35 undata mircea_popescu: there is a phenomenon where the ants swarm in a vortex until they starve
00:36 mircea_popescu myeah
00:36 mircea_popescu bezmetic
00:36 BingoBoingo undata: +/- voting is broken period. /. is the least broken implementation which is far from encouraging
00:36 undata BingoBoingo: I mean that force in society by which a man knows which way to go.
00:36 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> get each ant think the other ant is the queen << You can do this with some mamals
00:37 BingoBoingo undata: Problem with Reddit is it is hard to realize that a man is a man.
00:37 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: it's hard enough to recognize a man in the first place
00:37 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Then grow a better beard.
00:38 mircea_popescu just in fucking time eh.
00:38 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: Have you been watching the longs in the interim since MP stripped your voice? / WolfGoethe: nope, coding a new btc escrow market < goes straight to bash
00:38 BingoBoingo Bin Laden would probably die if a single hair from my chin found his larynx. A lot of stored energy in those curls
00:39 undata my hair is engaged in a slow migration from forehead to chin
00:39 BingoBoingo undata: Do people actually do that?
00:40 undata do what?
00:40 BingoBoingo Less forhead, more chin.
00:40 undata dunno if that's biologically a thing
00:40 undata probably depends on the person
00:40 undata anyhow re: beards there are plenty of those around PDX but far fewer men
00:40 BingoBoingo Both areas filled in for me around 13 and I've been policing the land between evwer since
00:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16374 @ 0.00062969 = 10.3105 BTC [-]
00:43 BingoBoingo #NoUnibrow
00:45 ben_vulpes poor undata's under a lot of stress
00:45 ben_vulpes LEAVE UNDATA ALONE
00:45 * ben_vulpes sobs
00:45 undata haha
00:46 * mircea_popescu pensively rubs his grey beard
00:46 undata s'what I get for thinking business was what a man does in 'merica
00:46 mircea_popescu I HAVE A GREY BEARD YO!
00:46 undata I should've just gone to the valley to suck dick until I had enough to expatriate
00:46 undata but you live and learn
00:46 mircea_popescu or at least regurgitate
00:46 undata haha
00:47 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I've got a lot of red skin under my black beard after I prepped for fiat job interview Tuesday.
00:47 mircea_popescu what job was it ?
00:48 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Ekectronic reserves. Interviewed Tuesday. Decision Friday. Won't interfere with Qntra, but fiat income can help save some BTC from hell.
00:49 mircea_popescu gl.
00:49 BingoBoingo I hope I get it. BTC has never been cheaper for adopted value.
00:50 BingoBoingo Who needs sleep anyways.
00:52 mircea_popescu hehe ya
00:52 undata my gf tells me I talk about code in my sleep, so what's the difference
00:52 undata "fucking django, god damn it" *rolls over*
00:53 mircea_popescu tell her i said she should finger your butthole when you do that.
00:53 undata hahaha, I will relay that message verbatim.
00:53 undata absent presently
00:54 mircea_popescu then undata brain will be like "fuck that irl django, the asleep django' smuch better. must sleep moar."
00:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo had no day job?
00:54 * asciilifeform was certain he had spoken of one
00:55 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No day job since spring 2012.
00:55 asciilifeform and what's an ekectronic (electronic?) reserve ?
00:55 asciilifeform something akin to army reserve?
00:55 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Those things the tortises disallow you.
00:55 undata BingoBoingo: sounds lovely; how did you spend your leisure?
00:55 BingoBoingo undata: By eating too many BTC in spring 2013.
00:55 * undata longs for the day he can just sit down with some parenthesis and build a web thing that makes sense
00:55 cazalla ;;pretendlater tell PeterL published your article, ty
00:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the reference is lost on me
00:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00062754 = 9.3817 BTC [-] {2}
00:56 mircea_popescu lol cazalla
00:56 mod6 heheh
00:57 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So the terrapins that run your library... deny you journals. In this job I would take PDFs and basically be in charge of posting them online for students.
00:57 asciilifeform ahaha
00:58 * asciilifeform had no idea anyone were still paid for this duty; thought it was carried out by slave labour
00:59 mircea_popescu slave labour > paid labour.
00:59 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by PeterL: http://qntra.net/2015/01/summary-of-mpex-stocks-and-funds-december-2014/
00:59 BingoBoingo What are librarians but slaves who would have been lawyers.
01:01 * asciilifeform jams elbow into apparatus from day job
01:03 mircea_popescu btw, no qntra reporting on the blocks war thing ?
01:04 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: tsp working on block wars piece, /me working on Ver vs. 'Murican legal anomolie piece
01:04 cazalla mircea_popescu, the someone that is writing that piece has a day job
01:04 * BingoBoingo drinking tonight and writing so waiting on sobriety to pull the trigger so that it matters.
01:05 mircea_popescu cazalla but... it's night now :D
01:06 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But the qntra is a global conglomerate. Too early for him to have peanut butter jelly time.
01:06 mircea_popescu hehe true ture.
01:08 cazalla ya know, every time ya make these story suggestions, it feels like that scene in Casino
01:09 BingoBoingo FU Hank, WHY can't you fix this Hank https://i0.wp.com/i.minus.com/iPydduaC5I5sr.gif
01:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVO80K )
01:10 mircea_popescu cazalla which one ?
01:11 cazalla chairman of the fucking board philip green
01:11 mircea_popescu now i gotta check casino
01:12 cazalla yeah, i youtubed it but google gave me a scene from Casino Royale instead..
01:12 * asciilifeform wonders if the folks who were to bring out therealbitcoin.org engine of war in the blockwar, are also mired in day jobs
01:12 asciilifeform ben_vulpes... ?
01:13 ben_vulpes things proceed slowly, asciilifeform.
01:13 ben_vulpes the satoshi codebase is so gorgeously well engineered that it kills gdb when approaching the wedge
01:13 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: To my knowledge the irony of ironies is that ben_vulpes has a day job while I merely chse worms away from plants fruiting seasonal delights.
01:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: wai wat
01:14 cazalla personally, my own feelings match gaggi's "why take a chance" scene
01:14 ben_vulpes (gdb) Killed
01:14 mircea_popescu lol
01:14 mircea_popescu that gaggi scene is pretty great.
01:14 mircea_popescu "at least... that's how i feel about it."
01:14 asciilifeform oom-killed ?
01:15 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: that's a good question
01:15 ben_vulpes i just...
01:15 ben_vulpes !s read cpp
01:15 assbot 1 results for 'read cpp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=read+cpp
01:15 BingoBoingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BdFuDtjVOQ
01:15 assbot Duran Duran - Dance Into The Fire - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BC2J5U )
01:16 BingoBoingo ^ At that deviation from filmed version I come cheaper and more authentic than actual Duran Duran
01:16 BingoBoingo !up badon
01:17 BingoBoingo DANCE INTO THE FIRE
01:17 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: know if anyone ever tried getting the thing to build in, e.g., Cint ?
01:17 asciilifeform https://root.cern.ch/drupal/content/cint
01:17 assbot CINT | ROOT ... ( http://bit.ly/1BC2W9b )
01:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7901 @ 0.00062869 = 4.9673 BTC [+]
01:18 ben_vulpes not to the best of my knowledge, no.
01:18 asciilifeform (there are several similar products)
01:18 ben_vulpes what'd be the gain, asciilifeform?
01:18 asciilifeform debug the only gain
01:18 BingoBoingo Linked example though is exactly why world needs competent drunks.
01:18 asciilifeform what other gain possible from such a thing
01:19 asciilifeform the sad thing is,
01:19 ben_vulpes my imagination is impoverished, asciilifeform. i know not what i know not.
01:19 asciilifeform i actually got as far as to marshal most of the thing into my head
01:20 asciilifeform but have no time to do the logical step of actually telling ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu 'which screw to turn'
01:20 ben_vulpes which screw to turn to do what
01:20 ben_vulpes the magic line what rips out bdb?
01:20 mircea_popescu ah, the drama of building a new world with hands and however you call that little thing they mix mortar in
01:20 ben_vulpes prevents memory leaks?
01:20 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: all of these things
01:21 ben_vulpes magically condenses the codebase into something fathomable by mortals like i?
01:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i believe: trowel
01:21 badon thanks BingoBoingo
01:21 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The hard problem I see if why you are right about UDP, mircea_popescu right about not signing everything, etc is that the new world is complicated. We aren't slaying mere aztecs anymoar
01:21 mircea_popescu nah, round
01:22 ben_vulpes cement mixer?!
01:22 * BingoBoingo has round and square trowels in garage
01:22 asciilifeform the funny thing is, that ben_vulpes almost certainly has considerably more truck with projects akin to the one in this thread, than i do
01:22 mircea_popescu http://www.venusdsh.ro/assets/images/V1/13%20Zidarie/Cancioc/cancioc%20zidar.jpg << this item
01:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVPeJO )
01:22 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But with custmers demanding lesser results
01:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: last i recall, he cranked out nozzle skirts for maneuvering jets, for someone or other
01:23 ben_vulpes i'm having trouble imagining in which ways my mine work resembles spelunking through the satoshi codebase.
01:24 ben_vulpes i've ne'er cranked out nozzles for anyone.
01:24 asciilifeform damn, who was it then
01:24 * asciilifeform dives into log
01:24 ben_vulpes you exaggerate my accomplishments.
01:24 BingoBoingo I mean it took a fuck ton of beating to get former classmates to recognize this https://twitter.com/aaronrogier/status/524368864692293634
01:24 assbot We might use IRC in class next semester. That would be interesting.
01:25 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: my professional slave time's been strictly constrained to cross-domain systems engineering in high-voltage wafer testing, machine shop engineering, production line automation and retarded "web" "technologies".
01:26 asciilifeform aha, process man
01:26 ben_vulpes consider the rocketry a undergrad's self indulgence, not too different from your lisp machine obsessions.
01:26 mircea_popescu a mix not unlike "paralegal work, some pr, copywriting and sucking cock tied naked to bridges"
01:26 ben_vulpes the f1's - similarly unressurectable.
01:27 ben_vulpes the topologically similar jobs - as miserable as you'd no doubt find my current line of employ.
01:27 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> a mix not unlike "paralegal work, some pr, copywriting and sucking cock tied naked to bridges" << OMG It's QNtra!!!
01:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: as for me, i mostly reverse-engineer things for money. but occasionally i build something to make other things more reverse-engineerable.
01:28 ben_vulpes but go on asciilifeform, i wait nigh on tenterhooks to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase maintenance.
01:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: but i think i already described this onece
01:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i used to do something like actual work, long ago.
01:28 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo time for qntra to have pictures ?
01:28 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: once, twice...
01:29 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> aha, process man << I'm just maintaining a list of Loper machine prospects with insufficient chance of death before your complete demo.
01:29 mircea_popescu o data... de mai multe ori... caci ce pot fi aceste garduri, decit cazute foste scari, decit cazute, foste garduri.
01:29 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo time for qntra to have pictures ? << It's had a couple... Why???
01:29 mircea_popescu tied naked to bridges.
01:29 mircea_popescu jeff bridges.
01:30 BingoBoingo Rooster Cogburn himself?
01:30 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> aha, process man << testing, actually.
01:30 mircea_popescu lol gurning bridges.
01:30 ben_vulpes automation thereof and design of subsystems for machines performing high voltage wafer binning.
01:31 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because I may not like that it was a thing, but... True Grit was apparentlyt remade
01:31 ben_vulpes a wealth of knowledge that would have doomed me to a life in the suburbs under buzzing "lights".
01:32 ben_vulpes i...escaped.
01:32 asciilifeform ben_vulpes will probably find it an interesting detail, that when i shopped around for certain parts for my pcb assembly apparatus, quite a few vendors turned up who offer bits'n'pieces of what was once the u.s. semiconductor industry
01:32 asciilifeform in particular, very depressingly fragmented wafer inspection paraphernalia
01:32 asciilifeform arms, lifts, cameras, the like.
01:32 mircea_popescu heh
01:33 BingoBoingo I mean John Wayne, original draft dodger
01:34 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: not terribly. castoffs from the pre-production days are always looking for a good home.
01:34 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ... to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase << ben_vulpes had better be qualified... just as artifexd had better be qualified for his part.
01:36 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: you claim some sort of knowledge on how things i did once qualify me for things i do now. i'm curious to know what precisely you think qualifies me - on what sort of (shaky?) foundation those assumptions and guesses rest.
01:36 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: mainly things you have spoken of at various time, re: navigating some unspecified but very gnarly system for angry client
01:36 asciilifeform if i recall
01:36 ben_vulpes and further - what precisely you think my part is.
01:36 ben_vulpes because i honestly don't think that you see it.
01:37 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: ... to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase << ben_vulpes had better be qualified... just as artifexd had better be qualified for his part. << I enjoy that unlike onions disqualifying contributions are illuminated. Because not over engineered.
01:37 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i like to imagine that you'll get the thing into a shape where i can ask nubbins` to print it
01:37 BingoBoingo unlike onions disqualifying contributions are illuminated. Because not over engineered.
01:37 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i like to imagine that you'll get the thing into a shape where i can ask nubbins` to print it << This
01:38 BingoBoingo One crack rock and a text file can test against an actual spec.
01:38 mircea_popescu eh dun stress out.
01:38 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: why focus on me, though?
01:39 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: because you're awake, lol
01:39 ben_vulpes and i respond.
01:39 asciilifeform aha
01:39 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ZWDPJ1.txt )
01:39 BingoBoingo !b 4
01:39 ben_vulpes have i ever been aught but the court clown?
01:39 mircea_popescu errything's getting done eventually. pretty much the only certainty of teh open model.
01:39 asciilifeform some things even get done more than once!
01:39 asciilifeform (deedbot ?)
01:40 mircea_popescu that looks like it's getting done three times.
01:40 asciilifeform quite possibly four.
01:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35550 @ 0.0006254 = 22.233 BTC [-] {2}
01:41 BingoBoingo Sometimes the simplest is the hardest.
01:42 BingoBoingo Of all kakobrekla busted scams Garr should have busted first. But when fishing for gar you can catch more with cotton balls than hooks.
01:54 BingoBoingo !up adlai
01:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.0006314 = 12.186 BTC [+] {3}
02:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13195 @ 0.00063623 = 8.3951 BTC [+] {2}
02:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00065703 = 14.8489 BTC [+] {2}
02:19 cazalla mircea_popescu: I HAVE A GREY BEARD YO! <<< i noticed this.. while using tweezer to pluck the 10 or so grey hairs i began sporting this year, i thought well at least not as grey as mp
02:21 cazalla undata: my gf tells me I talk about code in my sleep, so what's the difference <<< while asleep, i would chuck my pillow into the baby's crib, grab the beside lamp and bring it in the bed, wake up screaming to call an ambulance, shit like that, she doesn't really miss my sleeping in otherside of the house
02:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8041 @ 0.00064347 = 5.1741 BTC [-]
02:32 mircea_popescu "The block index database will now hold headers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won't support."
02:32 mircea_popescu heh.
02:34 BingoBoingo Seriously what is wrong with data makes it into a block or data does not???
02:36 mircea_popescu you don;t understand how the world works.
02:36 mircea_popescu "The IsStandard() rules have been almost completely removed for P2SH redemption scripts"
02:37 BingoBoingo Gavin only wants BTC to die so he can sleep quietly at night while animals enjoy Gavin's cardiac sashimi
02:37 mircea_popescu and something tells me the new "optimized tx fee" code fingerprints the hell out of wallets/users.
02:37 mircea_popescu if anyone's really bored feel free to look into the code.
02:38 BingoBoingo Fucking Electrum fingerprints the hell out of users.
02:38 mircea_popescu 171ca77 estimatefee / estimatepriority RPC methods
02:39 BingoBoingo If some mother fucker can't make a change address indistinguishable from a destination address...
02:40 BingoBoingo They better address that problem nao.
02:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 221 @ 0.00491911 = 1.0871 BTC [+] {4}
02:51 BingoBoingo !up Graet
03:01 BingoBoingo !up tsoulus
03:01 BingoBoingo Hello tsoulus
03:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00063364 = 7.8255 BTC [-] {2}
03:10 Bet placed: 2.56695135 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4095.0226947 BTC. Current weight: 11,228.
03:16 mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/address/1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 << lol check it out, teh foundation's slowly trickling in donations.
03:16 assbot Bitcoin Address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HS3mtL )
03:16 mircea_popescu mazel tov.
03:18 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo here's a simple fact : bitpay made what, 1% of less than 12mn in december ? that comes to... half what mpex made ?
03:19 mircea_popescu and mpex didn't hjave to sponsor no ball game for it ?
03:19 mircea_popescu add all the usg-side businesses together, see what you get. lotta hope, lotta hype, no receipts.
03:19 mircea_popescu they can stand on their heads. money talks.
03:20 cazalla i still wanna know how much fraud bitpay, coinbase etc are processing, they won't give me a clear cut response
03:20 mircea_popescu how would they know ?
03:20 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well MPEx isn't paying $145/CPM
03:20 cazalla http://dpaste.com/1G4QAVE
03:20 assbot dpaste: 1G4QAVE ... ( http://bit.ly/1HS4KwB )
03:21 mircea_popescu didn't coinbase recently change its tos to run up credit reports on users ?
03:21 cazalla example of one fraud merchant who used bitpay to bilk people for at least a year lol
03:21 cazalla mircea_popescu, been there for a while apparently
03:21 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Old news. November, but they reserved the right earlier.
03:21 mircea_popescu cazalla if you get enough of those together, that list + a "we don't wanna say" from bp/cb is good enough.
03:22 mircea_popescu journalism is about collecting facts and giving the parties the *opportunity* to comment. they don't want to take it, silence belies guilt.
03:22 punkman cazalla, how does bitpay merchant do fraud if only BTC incoming?
03:22 BingoBoingo Well, yeah the idictments so far are a lot of qntra's meat.
03:23 * BingoBoingo wants to see people
03:23 tsoulus Hello BingoBoingo :)
03:23 BingoBoingo 's odds on surrendering on blocksize by May
03:23 BingoBoingo tsoulus: What brings you here?
03:24 tsoulus Oh I'm just lurking about, had some interest in bitcoins for a while
03:24 cazalla punkman, in the alpha technologies example, they are alleged to have used bitpay to cash out btc pre order money for their non-existent scrypt asics, all they needed to do was pay the rent on a shop front to get it going http://media.coindesk.com/2014/12/Dec-10-Alpha-Technology1700px-630x472.jpg
03:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoO8g7 )
03:24 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, they don't have the time. gavin has to force it through rapidly, before blocks actually start regularly overflowing 1mn, because that's his only chance to get pools surrepetitiously mining v3 blocks while gavincoins not being massively doublespent.
03:24 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There was a 50kb block Tonight!!!
03:24 BingoBoingo No rush.
03:24 mircea_popescu he's prolly aiming for putting it in by february, but won't actually have the tech resources to do it and rather than risk a total humiliatory blowout delay it to march
03:25 BingoBoingo He has to take at least a year or the Chicoms will nevwer mine for his chain
03:25 mircea_popescu ah, but it's not a matter of not being 50kb blocks.
03:25 mircea_popescu there being any 7-800kb blocks is the problem
03:25 mircea_popescu haha he doesn't have a year.
03:26 BingoBoingo But he has to take a year, because I got Chicoms reading Stan!
03:26 mircea_popescu and if he had a year, do you think he'd have spent xmas and new year's "filling his hdd with blocks" while i was on vacation ?
03:26 BingoBoingo Yeah.
03:26 BingoBoingo Why else was it Luke who visited and not him with results.
03:26 BingoBoingo He filled his HDD with blocks in hopes that you'd stay gone
03:27 mircea_popescu 338019 731.52 338018 731.55 338017 731.62 338016 731.5 << last 4
03:27 mircea_popescu it's not even clear he has till march.
03:28 BingoBoingo I don't think he can propose until March, then Fork block before may.
03:28 mircea_popescu 1k txn is ~ 400kb. that means with a 800kb block that merely creating a 1k 1btc txn bundle will guarantee 50% separation on gavincoin chain.
03:28 BingoBoingo Because... we know the people doing tx ping pong and filling up blocks
03:29 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, fork block has to go in before end of march is what my numbers show.
03:29 mircea_popescu otherwise he literally will not be able to protect the scamchain.
03:29 mircea_popescu it is marginally possible everyone in his handler's office is retarded enough to not have seen this coming, of course.
03:29 BingoBoingo Which... he can't do because torsion.
03:29 mircea_popescu but i somehow don't like to think we're being opposed by people this thick.
03:30 cazalla srs why not just nip it in the bud, check out my gardening series on the topic of nipping weeds in the bud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjwwVsSEXUo
03:30 assbot Underbelly Season 2 - Les Kane Murder - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HS7UAw )
03:30 mircea_popescu cazalla if this ain't nipping in the bud what is ?
03:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00064464 = 13.2796 BTC [+] {2}
03:31 mircea_popescu i did leave them a splendid link to that great scene in miller's crossing, but i guess when you're an idiot it's easy to miss the more subtle messages.
03:31 mircea_popescu this in case anyone wonders why i "have to" call gavin an idiot. same reason you have to beat the donkey. only way it groks.
03:31 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: If they could math gavin wouldn't have been derping recycled blocks in his hellchain
03:32 mircea_popescu maybe not.
03:32 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> this in case anyone wonders why i "have to" call gavin an idiot. same reason you have to beat the donkey. only way it groks. << People don't deal with donkeys, they make Abbos sell them mules.
03:34 mircea_popescu cazalla srsly, who the fuck fires that many bullets ?
03:34 mircea_popescu what is this, for people who never discarged a weapon /
03:34 cazalla well, we can't have them in australia, so you know..
03:34 mircea_popescu that thing, WITH AN ATENUATOR EVEN!!! is probably jammed to shit by now
03:34 mircea_popescu five times over.
03:34 cazalla my knowledge of discharging weapons extends to nothing more than rise of the triad and counterstrike
03:35 mircea_popescu fucking derp from the lumber yard, you know, here's my machinegun drill. i drill all day with it. lalala.
03:35 cazalla i was promised heat seaking missles and by god i will have them
03:36 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> fucking derp from the lumber yard, you know, here's my machinegun drill. i drill all day with it. lalala. << I saw opposite discipline over Xmas. Cousin's family keeping the weapons safe within window line of sight
03:36 mircea_popescu cazalla ok, well, here's some ideas : his ears would be bleeding ; his arms'd have fallen off as he holds that thing wrongly ; the heat transferred to the barrel is probably enough to melt it ; he's fired more bullet weight than the child.
03:37 cazalla what did you expect? it's TV and booze, what else does a bogan from the bush have in australia?
03:37 mircea_popescu minute an' a fucking half of full automatic fire, flames half meter high for crying out loud.
03:37 BingoBoingo Worst part? his wife wanted to keep her pecan balls safe so unlocked the safe in a room full of everybody.
03:38 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well maybe house was really small ?
03:38 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> minute an' a fucking half of full automatic fire, flames half meter high for crying out loud. << What reasonable magazine takes 1 minute+ to discharge at full auto?
03:38 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It was and furniture uncomfortably oversized. American maldesign at work
03:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo this one : http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/029/367/shipment-of-fail.jpg?1318992465
03:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoPN5o )
03:39 BingoBoingo But seriously. Safe visible from exterior windows on 2 sides. Opsec fail.
03:40 BingoBoingo His wife unlocks safe in occupied room, keypad uses phone dialtones for number keys...
03:41 mircea_popescu at least not keeping btc in there.
03:41 mircea_popescu but anyway, that's all the excitement i can take for today. later fellow cultists!
03:41 BingoBoingo Nah, just a bunch of ARs and some 1911's
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04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00065038 = 18.5358 BTC [+] {2}
04:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00064828 = 27.1953 BTC [-] {3}
04:48 cazalla it might be thursday evening but still applies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A5CHEmTT5s
04:48 assbot Whiskey On A Sunday , The Dubliners - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1s82NbB )
04:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.0006425 = 14.2314 BTC [-]
04:54 BingoBoingo !up mius
04:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00064885 = 15.3129 BTC [+] {2}
05:04 BingoBoingo !up badon
05:08 BingoBoingo !up MetatronOne
05:12 BingoBoingo !up adlai
05:14 BingoBoingo !up davout
05:15 davout ty
05:15 fluffypony davout: how things going there? what's the atmosphere like?
05:16 davout fluffypony: 21% O2, 79% N2
05:16 davout roughly
05:16 fluffypony hah
05:16 fluffypony touché
05:16 davout 1003 hPa
05:17 davout the earlier convo about gossipd was pretty interesting
05:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.0006649 = 15.8911 BTC [+] {3}
05:19 davout also what's with the multiple implementations of the notary thing?
05:19 BingoBoingo davout: Apparently punkman strayed when MP took Vacay
05:20 davout i saw that when i tried to explore this deeds thing, but i also understood (from a log bit I can't seem to find) that the thing has been/is being re-implented two or three times
05:21 BingoBoingo "Growing Pains" could be worse. at least it isn't "Harry and the Hendersons"
05:24 cazalla where is that vexual jukebox when ya need it
05:24 BingoBoingo Dealing with warts?
05:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27889 @ 0.00064843 = 18.0841 BTC [-] {2}
05:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00067205 = 3.6627 BTC [+]
05:48 BingoBoingo mircea_popecu / hanbot https://twitter.com/Beautyon_ is prolly going to try to navigate Freenode and contact you while I sleep. If they disappoint... My bad.
05:48 assbot Beautyon (@Beautyon_) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1BCTxOD )
05:50 BingoBoingo !up davout
05:51 davout BingoBoingo: ty! the beautyon guy has been around for a while iirc
05:53 cazalla has he not been here before? notice he tweets a lot
05:53 BingoBoingo Indeed, but not really on IRC much.
05:55 BingoBoingo Still it's worth giving people with something to say directions to a place they can matter.
05:55 davout isn't wotted
05:55 cazalla well, he just retweeted this, might be useful one day l ol https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/553134314636853248
05:55 assbot Best son? 7-year-old boy rides tricycle carrying his drunken father home in Yizhou city, Guangxi, Jan.6 (web) http://t.co/L5Xu2jJyiX
05:55 davout cazalla: where do i purchase this child
05:56 cazalla maybe beautyon will reveal
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06:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0006425 = 4.0478 BTC [-]
06:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00065049 = 5.7243 BTC [+]
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06:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00065049 = 3.7728 BTC [+]
07:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00064356 = 23.683 BTC [-] {5}
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07:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00063749 = 11.1561 BTC [-]
07:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00063431 = 12.0519 BTC [-] {2}
07:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10570 @ 0.00063218 = 6.6821 BTC [-] {2}
07:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13034 @ 0.00063042 = 8.2169 BTC [-]
07:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00064601 = 14.4706 BTC [+]
07:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29650 @ 0.00065402 = 19.3917 BTC [+] {3}
07:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00065734 = 14.0671 BTC [+] {2}
08:04 cazalla helen keller can see better than me right now lol
08:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1274 @ 0.00084137 = 1.0719 BTC [+] {9}
08:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00063042 = 17.3996 BTC [-]
08:10 cazalla Gavin talks of times of peace for all, and then prepare for war (fork). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKnUfGvCJg
08:10 assbot Midnight Oil - Blossom & Blood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYf26c )
08:12 nubbins` maybe btc foundation should blow its budget on spinning up ec2 instances running patched 0.5.3 8)
08:24 cazalla may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow
08:26 cazalla even Shredder needed the foot
08:28 TomServo awww, herbi stopped by
08:30 cazalla my hand is always down my pants... guilt guilt guilt.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQMK5izEtHI
08:30 assbot Magic Dirt - Plastic Loveless Letter (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYjYb6 )
08:30 cazalla gimme that vexual jukebox lol
08:33 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kedWD4bWhwQ
08:33 assbot Magic Dirt - Anita's Miracle Suntan Lotion (live in Townsville) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYkEgI )
08:35 cazalla adalita is soooo dreamy lulz
08:36 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqKlwSyhPw
08:36 assbot Magic Dirt - Dirty Jeans (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14yNfDF )
08:38 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaHunC5AU-s
08:38 assbot Magic Dirt - All My Crushes (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYlKZM )
08:39 cazalla "When you're finished being self-obsessed..Then let me know..All my crushes are about you"
08:40 cazalla Well I feel like an android after I cut off all of my hair
08:40 cazalla When you're not there
08:40 cazalla All my crushes are about you
08:40 cazalla Watch me weightless
08:40 cazalla I get nervous and have a cigarette
08:41 cazalla Watch me weightless, I think for less so I can love you more , Suddenly every jumper I fold fills with your torso, And I hold it, And I hold it, And I hold it , And I hold it,
08:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8162 @ 0.00063935 = 5.2184 BTC [+]
08:45 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHbTii41pUI
08:45 assbot Magic Dirt - Pristine Christine (Recovery) 1996 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14yOFOd )
08:48 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS-59c1LAYE
08:48 assbot Magic Dirt - Ice - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYnUZq )
08:49 punkman here you go cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsbrRAgv1b4
08:49 assbot Sibelius Violin Concerto - Maxim Vengerov, Daniel Barenboim, Chicago S.O. (CSO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYokz0 )
08:50 cazalla not gonna neck myself to that
08:58 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E22gszljklc all one ever wanted was option to burn own house down without police turning up to arrest, maybe grow some veg/fruit before dying, can't even do that these days down under, clinging to RMS Bitcoin.. sometimes wonder if better to jump overboard into ice water and be done with it
08:58 assbot And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda ~ John Williamson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14yQQBz )
08:59 cazalla i am fucking over it
08:59 cazalla i am very upset over this fork talk
09:00 cazalla like a heaven's gate inductee
09:01 cazalla these fucking mongrels
09:01 cazalla my own grand parents came here wiht less 60 yuears ago
09:01 Bet placed: 1401.95203057 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 5496.97472527 BTC. Current weight: 11,155.
09:01 cazalla and their own grandchildren have fucking less
09:01 cazalla it doesn't matter how hard one workss
09:02 cazalla i want their fucking heads
09:02 mike_c there's another 14 btc for bitbet investors. maybe this bet will spark a rally in the stock.
09:03 cazalla you would never think in one's own life time that you would see everything you were told was australia, go down the fucking drain
09:04 cazalla may as well have never fucking come here
09:04 jurov mike_c dividend payments on mpex are unpredictable
09:04 mike_c hehe. it works out for long term holders :) risky for short term players.
09:06 cazalla it all shrinks, i grew up visiting my opa's backyard on the weekends, spending week days in my own parent's smaller backyard, what do i have for my own son? next to fucking nothing, no-one has kids, no-one has familiies, no-one can afford shit, land of opportunity my fucking ass
09:08 cazalla how in the fuck does a pennyles german come here 65 years ago and build more in a decade or two than his own grandchildren could hope to build in a life time
09:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13236 @ 0.0006576 = 8.704 BTC [+]
09:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32467 @ 0.00063752 = 20.6984 BTC [-] {2}
09:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00062438 = 8.8974 BTC [-] {3}
09:45 thestringpuller pete_dushenski pay your bill
09:48 thestringpuller how in the fuck does a pennyles german come here 65 years ago and build more in a decade or two than his own grandchildren could hope to build in a life time << a phenomenon bitcoin will see as supply slowly decreases
09:53 thestringpuller cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rnxw6/old_post_saying_the_bitstamp_hack_was_coming/ << i think i can confirm this
09:57 thestringpuller !s random.org
09:57 assbot 1 results for 'random.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=random.org
09:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12334 @ 0.00063704 = 7.8573 BTC [+] {2}
09:58 thestringpuller asciilifeform: is the process described on random.org viable?
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10:17 nubbins` how much was your grandfather's monthly cell phone and internet bill
10:21 nubbins` also mildly curious to know how much time your grandfather spent on irc shooting the shit and complaining about how shitty his wife was
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10:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00064356 = 3.1213 BTC [+]
10:43 asciilifeform thestringpuller: https://www.random.org/faq/#Q1.3 (and esp. no. 4) - decide for yourself
10:43 assbot RANDOM.ORG - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvehIh )
10:45 asciilifeform nubbins`: as if modern broke folks got this way through blowing fortune on phone & bandwidth
10:45 nubbins` 8)
10:45 asciilifeform nubbins`: or as if ancestors did not whine in pubs rather than irc
10:46 nubbins` as if those from all times would not rather bellyache than do something to improve their situation
10:46 asciilifeform nubbins`: what would you suggest he ought to be doing ?
10:48 asciilifeform a: 'orcs came and burned my village to the ground' b: 'shuddup, enough whinging, do something to improve yer lot'
10:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.0006438 = 18.7346 BTC [+] {2}
10:54 TomServo http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/judge-govt-can-show-murder-for-hire-evidence-in-silk-road-trial/
10:54 assbot Judge: Gov’t can show murder-for-hire evidence in Silk Road trial | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivgkfv )
10:54 nubbins` i guess i should suggest he just keeps on sluggin'
10:54 nubbins` cheer up, kiddo, things'll turn around
10:54 TomServo some SR case updates, nudge nudge qntra
10:54 nubbins` you screw enough toothpaste caps, boy, they're sure to notice
11:02 nubbins` maybe one of these years, on one of your 10 vacation days, you can go to the lock store and buy the deluxe padlock for the cage you've been slowly building around yourself
11:04 nubbins` surely your mind will be put at ease then
11:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11603 @ 0.00064991 = 7.5409 BTC [+] {2}
11:15 TomServo !up davout
11:15 TomServo !up mircea_popescu
11:15 mircea_popescu why ty
11:15 * TomServo tips hat.
11:15 mircea_popescu o hey you got a hat ?! cool!
11:16 mircea_popescu lol so apparently moar ddos attempts overnight.
11:17 mircea_popescu did it actually do anything ?
11:22 asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/bitcoin-investor-who-renounced-us-citizenship-now-cant-get-back-in << lol, i somehow missed that he was once famous for bootleg fireworks
11:22 assbot Bitcoin investor who renounced US citizenship now can’t get back in | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivl4BW )
11:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's been discussed even in log a few times.
11:23 asciilifeform hm
11:23 * asciilifeform is evidently not the proverbial alert reader
11:24 mircea_popescu anyway, the guy claims he was shremed and it's all okay.
11:24 mircea_popescu obviously, he was being his usual retarded self, only younger.
11:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00065122 = 17.7132 BTC [+]
11:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why would anyone buy the st kitts passport described in the article? 400k usd would get you a fairly comfortable 2 yrs in Ar or the like (or however long it takes there to get passported)
11:27 mircea_popescu obviously, he was being his usual retarded self.
11:27 mircea_popescu for the record, for the unassuming individual capable of normal socialisation (ie, score a gf if one wants a gf) about 1k usd a year is plenty in argentina.
11:28 mircea_popescu would have been enough for the rest of his life.
11:28 asciilifeform retarded, sure. just wondered if there was some actual plus to the st kitts thing. because i distinctly recall that 'passports of convenience' are mostly good as wall decorations and nothing more.
11:29 mircea_popescu also, the passports in question don't ever cost that much. he's pulling a kakobrekla's car trick on the value of bitcoin that could have been. by the same measure, his donated hundreds of millions of dollars to the scam foundation.
11:29 mircea_popescu except he did that at a time when they were worth cents to the dollar, and they're long gone.
11:29 mircea_popescu i dunno that there's anything but comic relief in keeping track of ver's activities.
11:30 asciilifeform 1k usd !?!
11:31 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: so apparently being caught selling too many BTC here in the states carries a higher sentence than dealing drugs
11:31 mircea_popescu you know, the original somethingawful/buttcoin threads about how bitcoiners are mentally retarded didn't come out of pure malice. they came out of the simple fact of the matter : the early people involved are struggling with severe mental disabilities.
11:31 asciilifeform what does that buy, a sack of rice and a monk's cell somewhere in a boiler room ?
11:31 mircea_popescu thestringpuller doing anything out of the ordinary carries a higher sentence than everything else in there, you've not noticed yet ?
11:32 thestringpuller Perhaps the movie about asciilifeform and young buck thestringpuller teaming up to sell BTC as gangstas runnin the street will become a reality
11:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform people aren't as fixated on things anglos are fixated on here.
11:32 mircea_popescu you can just live with her.
11:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lemme tell you a story that will illustrate this point.
11:34 mircea_popescu so when i first landed here i kept a hotel room for about a week. my across the hall neighbour was this ukrainian dude. we met in the elevator and well, at the time the ukr stuff was just blowing up and so i was curious, and he was as happy as anything to speak to someone... wise.
11:35 mircea_popescu this guy was never sober. literally. you know what i mean, that drunk functionality of the hardcore ukrainian ?
11:35 TomServo !up irdial
11:35 thestringpuller ;;echo
11:35 thestringpuller ;;ls
11:39 TomServo Pretty minor gripe but, "under a regulation that requires he prove his intent to depart the U.S." - how does one prove that?
11:40 TomServo "No - see, my calendar says I have a dentist appt back home in 2 weeks so I'll definitely be gone."
11:40 mircea_popescu TomServo really, he's being about as dumb as nefario.
11:40 mircea_popescu that's always been there, for foreigners, which people who renounce a citizenship become.
11:40 mircea_popescu it is customarily shown by a) substantial assets and b) family ties.
11:42 mircea_popescu the uncomfortable reality that he has neither is obviously something he's not willing to confront, and so it has to be about how bad teh us customs & immigration is.
11:44 mircea_popescu now, it's all fine and dandy to all agree on how teh us is the empire of evil. however, the notion that they'd err on the side of not letting anyone in is plain ridoinculous.
11:44 mircea_popescu i had no problem getting romania's like i dunno, 3rd ? 10 year visa fifteen years ago when i actually wanted one. notwithstanding that romania was you know, a sort of ukraine in 2025, and notwithstanding that bush was in charge.
11:45 mircea_popescu what, obama strengthened the border ? gimme a break.
11:45 TomServo Sure - with you there, it just seems incredibly hard to really 'prove' intent to leave.
11:45 mircea_popescu because "i own a hotel in mali, wtf do i want with your stinkhole" is not good enough ?
11:45 thestringpuller whoa mircea_popescu is from the future
11:45 thestringpuller i knew it
11:48 mircea_popescu thestringpuller just some futures.
11:50 mircea_popescu cazalla: may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow << he has a point there, ben & mod6
11:51 TomServo irdial: https://twitter.com/beautyon_ that you?
11:51 assbot Beautyon (@Beautyon_) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvrIIc )
11:51 irdial Yes it is.
11:52 mircea_popescu o hey. how goes irdial
11:52 TomServo irdial: cool, welcome
11:52 irdial Greets, it goes well...
11:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27067 @ 0.00063823 = 17.275 BTC [-] {2}
11:59 mircea_popescu not only will IT grow, but the diy capabilities of the right people will grow, which is significantly more valuable.
12:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00064054 = 9.9284 BTC [+]
12:03 TomServo Is there a preferred platform?
12:05 TomServo !up danielpbarron
12:06 danielpbarron irdial, lol you block me for telling you about this place and now here you are!
12:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16715 @ 0.00064802 = 10.8317 BTC [+] {2}
12:07 mike_c !up irdial
12:07 mircea_popescu TomServo just as long as it works. i imagine nubbins` ec idea is pretty good.
12:08 mircea_popescu make a container or w/e they call it, just have people run it.
12:08 mircea_popescu danielpbarron couldn't have been for that reason, i recall the guy following me on twitter, back before the antonoderp murder.
12:08 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: would like that idea
12:08 thestringpuller him and his docker
12:09 danielpbarron https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/statuses/514417197108957184 << this is the last thing i tweeted at him before he blocked me
12:09 assbot Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "@Beautyon_ Unless you're in the #WebOfTrust, you aren't a "real person." It doesn't matter what your "needs" are. http://t.co/zu7UA4VkBd" ... ( http://bit.ly/1yFD5NV )
12:09 mike_c given irdial's apparent hatred of kyc it seems like this is a good place to be.
12:10 TomServo !up undata
12:10 undata :) thanks
12:10 mike_c except he can't talk
12:10 TomServo !up irdial
12:10 TomServo sorry, missed that
12:10 mike_c can't wait for gribble to come home.
12:11 thestringpuller what if gribble never comes home
12:11 undata is there an alternate auth route?
12:11 thestringpuller altgribble but kako doesn't use that
12:11 * undata read the gossipd logs; maybe that will have to save us
12:12 mike_c somebody send artifexd more coffee
12:12 artifexd Why?
12:12 TomServo I don't think that'll happen soon enough. Maybe a modified ircd with a bolted on gribble in the meantime?
12:12 undata I actually just gave the stuff up (again)
12:12 mike_c aren't you writing gossipd? we need it yesterday :)
12:12 undata I find I have more alertness throughout the day without
12:14 mircea_popescu <mike_c> can't wait for gribble to come home. << i dun think gribble is coming back. if it were, i wouldn't trust it.
12:14 mircea_popescu replacement is being spun up as we speak.
12:14 undata mircea_popescu: ah, did an operator disappear along with gribble?
12:14 TomServo no shit?
12:14 mircea_popescu no shit.
12:14 mircea_popescu yes, nano's not been heard from, the only reasonable assumption is something asciilifeform'd say.
12:14 mircea_popescu well... perhaps reasonable's not the right word. safe.
12:15 mircea_popescu the only unreasonably safe assumption.
12:15 mike_c well, you took a few weeks off and we still trust you
12:15 mircea_popescu i announced it.
12:15 mike_c true
12:15 mircea_popescu and infrastructure didn't fail meanwhile, with no word.
12:15 thestringpuller damn nanotube has let us down :(
12:15 TomServo folks in otc are claiming it's a planned absence, I haven't seen anything specific though.
12:15 mircea_popescu me either.
12:16 thestringpuller yea no blog post or anything
12:16 mike_c so.. this is when assbot officially takes over the world then.
12:16 mircea_popescu im pretty sure that in realpolitik terms this was the more important use of gribble.
12:16 mircea_popescu what with all the stuff being build atop it and so on.
12:18 undata clearly the guy had to be stopped... he was running an irc channel!
12:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what about RagnarDanneskjol 's allegation ?
12:19 mircea_popescu what was that ?
12:19 asciilifeform (that nanotube went off on vacation, and spoke to him thus)
12:20 * asciilifeform hasn't the faintest notion of this being true or false
12:21 mircea_popescu i don't know that guy is anybody, outside of social engineering everyone. he doesn't have a rating from nano, the notion they know each other is improbable on the face, and if in fact this were a job you'd fully expect a bunch of unknowns talking authoritatively in such manner.
12:21 mircea_popescu so i am making of it exactly nothing.
12:21 asciilifeform aha, he will be 'on vacation' until shows up rolled in a cage through wash.,d.c streets.
12:22 * mircea_popescu shrugs. either way, that pie's cooked.
12:22 asciilifeform http://chron.eduhmao.ru/img_1_10_1_5.jpeg
12:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCn4Hz )
12:22 TomServo It'll be interesting if gribble returns after a replacement is spun up.
12:22 TomServo Pre-forkwar fork war?
12:23 mircea_popescu interesting, how ?
12:23 TomServo How that plays out.
12:23 mircea_popescu gribble is only relevant in this channel by specific inclusion from assbot. once it lost that, it lost it.
12:23 mircea_popescu an it just lost it.
12:25 kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/1HTSV2Q.txt
12:25 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCnMVg )
12:25 mircea_popescu maybe if it convincingly performs for a while the two wots can be bridged later on (how such a thing could be done in principle has been discussed a few times) and that'll be a great step towards de facto decentralization with central servers and that's that.
12:25 mircea_popescu kakobrekla aha kay.
12:27 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: just need to trust the maintainers of the gatekeepers into the WoT
12:30 mircea_popescu if there's multiples lying becomes that more difficult and less valuable anyway.
12:32 mircea_popescu but, fair warning to the ones still left inside the beast : nano, prior to his vacation, was a law abiding economy teacher, a bright kid and a very loyal and honorable fellow all around.
12:32 mircea_popescu if anyone asks me, i'd rather see as few of these vacations as possible.
12:33 kakobrekla if the bot werent down nobody would have noticed
12:34 asciilifeform assuming 'vacation' - at least he pulled the pin, rather than allowed the motherland to pass into enemy hands
12:34 mircea_popescu yeah, if the bot weren't down nobody would have noticed.
12:35 mircea_popescu unsung heroes, that's exactly it. "if the bot weren't down nobody would have noticed".
12:35 mircea_popescu should be a verse somewhere.
12:35 kakobrekla lol fuck what have i done.
12:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: verse somewhere -- actually, it is: '...отряд не заметил потери бойца.'
12:35 mircea_popescu quite
12:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00064678 = 6.9529 BTC [-]
12:51 ben_vulpes <cazalla> [] may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow << grand idea
12:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30040 @ 0.00005 = 1.502 BTC [-] {12}
12:53 mod6 i was just looking back at that myself ben_vulpes
12:53 mod6 I have written a guide on how to patch the reference implementation. is that one too complex?
12:54 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000025.html
12:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuBJcw )
12:55 * asciilifeform still finds the image peculiar, of nanotube having advanced warning of his 'vacation'
12:55 asciilifeform unless it actually started as a vacation
12:55 mod6 I've walked through that guide with a guy locally here, and there are a few minor changes that I need to make to it this month. I'll get to it when I can, but mostly, it's exactly what you need. Aside from installing the dependancies.
12:56 mod6 you basically need to do these for that:
12:56 mod6 (on debian 6):
12:57 mod6 sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade
12:57 mod6 sudo apt-get install -y build-essential libssl-dev libdb4.8-dev libdb4.8++-dev libboost-all-dev wget git
12:57 mod6 i left that out of the guide as I don't wish to presume which environment it should be built on.
12:58 mod6 but currently, that's what we're testing on. i have an medium ec2 instance im testing on, and a few other smaller vm's.
12:59 mod6 If anyone wants to write a more user-friendly how-to as opposed to what I have already written, by all means!
~ 21 minutes ~
13:21 asciilifeform !s tc-play
13:21 assbot 0 results for 'tc-play' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tc-play
13:21 asciilifeform https://github.com/bwalex/tc-play
13:21 assbot bwalex/tc-play · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuKLqa )
13:22 asciilifeform ^ no comment on quality or even whether it works at all
13:23 * asciilifeform noticed recently that there are suspiciously many claimed 'plug in replacements' for truecrypt bouncing around
13:24 asciilifeform (they appear to consist largely of the same two or three things, with slight variations)
13:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1655 @ 0.00088212 = 1.4599 BTC [+] {5}
13:38 thestringpuller hi hanbot
13:40 artifexd !up hanbot
13:40 artifexd Nope. Can't do it.
13:43 mod6 !up hanbot
13:45 thestringpuller lol mod6's connection has outlasted everyone
13:45 thestringpuller its like those slumber parties
13:45 thestringpuller where you try to stay up all night
13:45 thestringpuller as a kid
13:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8242 @ 0.00064637 = 5.3274 BTC [-] {2}
13:46 mod6 :]
13:51 cazalla apologies for the diarrheatic driblee. back to bed, needed that water
13:52 thestringpuller cazalla: feel better
13:52 thestringpuller :D
13:53 thestringpuller oh see pm
13:56 asciilifeform ^ deliberate experiment ?
13:57 asciilifeform or fleanode flea bite.
14:00 ben_vulpes o hey a magic string
14:03 mod6 cazalla: The Bitcoin Foundation will commit to publishing a "follow along at home install guide" with the first the signed first release.
14:03 mod6 Thanks for calling that to our attention.
14:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29005 @ 0.00063272 = 18.352 BTC [+]
14:15 mod6 !up hanbot
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14:39 thestringpuller turn up!
14:39 thestringpuller !turnup
14:41 kakobrekla https://twitter.com/nejc_kodric/status/552861244714405891
14:41 assbot We are fully rebuilding our systems from the ground up so that customers can use /Bitstamp with full confidence and trust.
14:42 kakobrekla https://twitter.com/nejc_kodric/status/553260340411379714
14:42 assbot Working alongside the team from San Francisco, progress towards redeployment is strong. Huge thank you to for your confidence and patience.
14:42 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2015#968841 ftr.
14:42 assbot Logged on 07-01-2015 19:06:06; kakobrekla: btw bitstamp is moving operations to us (prolly sf).
14:45 TomServo https://twitter.com/BryanMicon/status/552965944239480832
14:45 assbot Thanks for your patience and sorry for any confusion.
14:45 TomServo @nejc_kodric glglglgl getting @Bitstamp back online.
14:45 TomServo I have said publicly that no, this wasn't @MtGox 2.0 and you aren't @MagicalTux 2.0
14:46 TomServo -Bryan (don't make me Ver 2.0) Micon
14:46 TomServo :D
14:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00062566 = 5.6935 BTC [-]
14:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67995 @ 0.00062973 = 42.8185 BTC [+] {2}
15:01 mike_c hehe. Jan. 6 "24-48 hrs". Jan. 8 "Progress is strong!"
15:01 mike_c Jan. 10 "Fuck, I don't know, stop asking"
15:03 TomServo !up Mashuri
15:03 Mashuri Hi Tom
15:03 TomServo Ahoy
15:04 mod6 https://imgflip.com/i/g5vn6
15:04 assbot Imgflip ... ( http://bit.ly/14vjFxZ )
15:05 thestringpuller mike_c: Jan. 23rd we're getting there.
15:06 Mashuri Thanks for the !up but I'm just lurking. I have a WoT account if needed for later. :)
15:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00064029 = 8.1957 BTC [+]
15:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17664 @ 0.0006274 = 11.0824 BTC [-] {2}
15:26 ben_vulpes http://truth-out.org/news/item/28390-deep-questions-arise-over-portland-s-corporate-water-takeover << rot in the local socialist paradise begins to creep to the surface
15:26 assbot Deep Questions Arise Over Portland's Corporate Water Takeover ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqrkNf )
15:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73946 @ 0.00064755 = 47.8837 BTC [+] {3}
15:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29274 @ 0.00065077 = 19.0506 BTC [+] {2}
15:35 TomServo !up mnmx
15:37 TomServo ben_vulpes: was it portland where they were fining people for catching rainwater?
15:45 thestringpuller TomServo: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/man-sentenced-30-days-catching-rain-water-own-property-enters-jail
15:45 thestringpuller enjoi
15:46 TomServo thestringpuller: thanks
15:50 mike_c wtf. bitbet has gone insanse
15:50 mike_c *insane!
15:51 mike_c is this new "1 week buffer from event" copy now standard practice?
15:52 mike_c betting early on bitbets makes sense and betting late makes sense. you are cutting out 50% of the time it makes good sense to bet.
15:52 TomServo !up jborkl
15:53 asciilifeform http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/35154/whether-to-tell-his-prospective-employer-that-a-new-male-post-doc-opposes-affirm << found this by pure accident. linking here just for mircea_popescu's butterfly collection.
15:53 assbot postdocs - Whether to tell his prospective employer that a new male post doc opposes affirmative action for women in academia? - Academia Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqvrZA )
16:03 ben_vulpes not in portland, TomServo. here, they tax you for runoff.
16:04 jborkl Hello everyone
16:05 fluffypony A O RIVER
16:05 fluffypony sorry, instinctive reaction.
16:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18935 @ 0.00065079 = 12.3227 BTC [+]
16:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00065079 = 4.5881 BTC [+]
16:18 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> aha, he will be 'on vacation' until shows up rolled in a cage through wash.,d.c streets. << I believe it is the "Southern District of Manhattan" nao
16:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970123
16:22 assbot Logged on 08-01-2015 17:32:25; mircea_popescu: but, fair warning to the ones still left inside the beast : nano, prior to his vacation, was a law abiding economy teacher, a bright kid and a very loyal and honorable fellow all around.
16:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not that richilieu couldn't cough up the proverbial 'six lines by the hand of the honest man'
16:23 BingoBoingo Naturally
16:23 BingoBoingo !up irdial
16:24 jurov http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html had to double check it isn't the onion
16:24 assbot Super-insulated clothing could eliminate need for indoor heating ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWee8S )
16:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if -otc weren't as dead as it appears to have been for the past year or two, i imagine it could be possible for the buggers to set up a 'controlled buy' of some contraband or other, embroiling -otc, and spinning up nanotube as 'a dpr'
16:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: but it seems like a stretch. bullet is cheaper.
16:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: stern words, 'horse's head on pillow' - cheaper still.
16:25 BingoBoingo Lemme pull up and order from the order feed real quick...
16:26 BingoBoingo <gribble> #21874 || darsie || BUY 1.0 1 kg uranium @ 100 EUR || e.g. counterweight, projectile, radiation shield. I'm not sure if that's a reasonable price since an aircraft company had trouble finding a dump where they could get rid of some counterweights. I'm open for other amounts or some thorium metal/compounds, highly radioactive stuff like mushrooms from Chernobyl and a ~1 kg piece of tungsten at/near theoretical density. <<
16:26 BingoBoingo One of the last orders to hit the #bitcoin-otc ticker
16:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: DU is not illegal to own in usa, afaik
16:26 asciilifeform (ianal)
16:28 asciilifeform seems like it does require a crown contract attesting to the fact of use in a particular product, along with statement of disposal arrangements
16:28 asciilifeform according to pediwik
16:28 jurov poor dude he just wanted the uranium to make some nanowire clothing to keep him warm
16:28 asciilifeform the 'highly radioactive' whatever-the-fuck, another story
16:29 BingoBoingo Well... in USSA who but Preet can know what crime is. What I can see though is that was order #21874 and #21876 was the very last entered
16:29 asciilifeform that's easily worth as many 'jail points' from penal code as the bootleg fireworks of r. ver
16:29 asciilifeform though if nanotube goes in for this, omidyar should go in for having operated 'ebay' (ver's case)
16:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34448 @ 0.00063579 = 21.9017 BTC [-] {4}
16:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7552 @ 0.00062472 = 4.7179 BTC [-]
16:31 thestringpuller anyone ever read the story about the guy who fell asleep next to a reactor cause he was cold
16:31 asciilifeform thestringpuller: it wasn't a reactor. it was a russian rtg.
16:31 ben_vulpes i read a permutation that had him in front of a microwave dish.
16:32 asciilifeform thestringpuller: there are multiple reasonably well-documented corpses of thieves, poachers, metal hunters, killing themselves on rtg
16:33 asciilifeform !s soviet rtg
16:33 assbot 2 results for 'soviet rtg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=soviet+rtg
16:33 thestringpuller asciilifeform: thanks. I remember someone reading a news article on that in school years ago.
16:33 thestringpuller back in my younger more vulnerable years
16:34 ben_vulpes http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html << "sc1ence" now in full bore crapflation support mode.
16:34 assbot Super-insulated clothing could eliminate need for indoor heating ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWfI2N )
16:34 asciilifeform back to the 'radioactive mushroom' - anyone could, in principle, leave a 'wanted ad' to the effect of wishing to purchase $bannedobject anywhere he wants
16:34 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what fraction of heat loss is from breathing ?
16:35 asciilifeform or will we 'insulate' that as well.
16:35 * ben_vulpes pines for a proper stillsuit
16:35 asciilifeform 'tell me again about the waters of your home world...'
16:36 thestringpuller asciilifeform you really should attempt a short stand up routine
16:37 thestringpuller you make me laugh as much as some of my favorite comedians
16:37 asciilifeform thestringpuller: direct quote from one of the 'dune' film adaptations
16:37 thestringpuller the "what fraction of heat loss is from breathing or will we 'insulate' that as well." made water come out of my nose
16:38 TomServo !up AlexWkz
16:38 thestringpuller something lewis black would say if he were an engineer
16:38 TomServo I'll have to agree, most my #b-a chuckles and belly laughs are from asciilifeform
16:39 asciilifeform observe, plenty of uranium ore on, e.g., 'ebay.' but no refined metal (depleted or, srsly what do you expect - the other kind)
16:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34635 @ 0.00065114 = 22.5522 BTC [+] {2}
16:44 asciilifeform '#21876 GlooBoy BUY 100.0 @ 100 / {bitstampask} * .84 BTC Buying up to 100$<-(todays limit) Physical Amazon Gift Cards (NO eGIFT CARDS) - Offer only available to those with considerable OTC/WoT trust. -/msg GlooBoy for a exact quote and privacy - visit https://localbitcoins.com/ad/72576/?ch=c6c'
16:44 assbot Buy bitcoins online in from GlooBoy: Amazon Gift Card ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWh3qz )
16:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38529 @ 0.00065705 = 25.3155 BTC [+] {3}
16:44 asciilifeform ^ perhaps this, and not the imaginary radioactive mushrooms.
16:45 asciilifeform or the couple of 'bank transfer' ones from slightly earlier.
16:45 asciilifeform plenty enough for a preet.
16:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00065941 = 14.9686 BTC [+] {3}
17:00 thestringpuller "You want an irradiated mushroom? Fine." "An unreulated bank transfer?!? Come with us to federal prison plz."
17:00 thestringpuller unregulated*
17:01 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/judge-forrest-rules-uncharged-murder-plot-can-be-presented-at-trial/
17:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39564 @ 0.00064791 = 25.6339 BTC [-] {2}
17:08 thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rriqb/gavin_andresen_experiments_with_bigger_blocks/cniltmv << mircea_popescu do you have access to gay porn stars?
17:09 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/one-coachs-nightmare-sending-his-wank-video-to-female-players/
17:09 assbot One coach’s nightmare—sending his wank video to female players | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyMQI2 )
17:10 BingoBoingo !up irdial
17:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22499 @ 0.00062445 = 14.0495 BTC [-] {2}
17:15 mircea_popescu linux permissions are about as fucking nonsensical as it gets.
17:15 mircea_popescu so if you > or >> a filename that doesn't exist and you want to run it, you have to set a permission bit separately.
17:15 mircea_popescu however, if you > or >> a filename that exists already, you can run it just fine.
17:15 mircea_popescu because that's logical.
17:18 undata also executing a folder is what you're doing when you enter it...
17:18 undata what do you think would be better, a sort of stream header that indicates the nature of the bits to come?
17:19 mircea_popescu in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/12-2014/p03/p/15.jpg
17:19 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyPVYz )
17:19 mircea_popescu undata i think it'd be better that the execute bit gets trashed every time the file is modified.
17:19 mircea_popescu or else, simply don't have it.
17:20 mircea_popescu if your philosophy is that the file modification is what you defend against.
17:20 undata yep, the former has sane security consequences
17:21 undata the latter is more aligned with what actually happens, the file doesn't execute itself, something invokes it
17:21 mircea_popescu well if the idea is that "he who has the authority to modify a file always has the authority to also execute it" then "executable" bit makes 0 sense.
17:21 mircea_popescu contrarywise, if your idea is that one needs the priviledge to make files executable, then this situation where a file is modified and stays executable makes 0 sense.
17:22 undata mhm
17:23 mircea_popescu but really, the problem is folders=files and execution = opening
17:23 mircea_popescu clearly "executing" an archive is not the same as decompressing it.
17:24 irdial Presumably a "default file permission on creation" of any new file would fix it, then you would be forced to set the executable bit every time.
17:24 undata along those lines having files owned by a single group is brain dead
17:24 undata the whole ACL system is just a bunch of ad hoc ideas
17:25 * undata thinks RDBMS got ACL much more right
17:25 mircea_popescu it is a bunch of ad hoc gunk yes.
17:26 mircea_popescu to think 1991 - 2011 were spent in a "oh linux is better than windows" nonsense, instead of being spent to, you know, make a sane environment.
17:26 mircea_popescu no wonder ubuntu and systemd are what's left on that smoldering pyre.
17:28 mircea_popescu i suppose this is all moot since anything can read any file as data and trhen execute it as code anyway
17:28 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what would be a good resolution source for this bet:
17:28 thestringpuller This bet resolves no if Gavin's proposed hard fork is launched, and in succession achieves 51% consensus of the network. This bet resolves yes, if the current Bitcoin fork keeps 51% consensus of the network, or if Gavin's proposed hard fork is never launched.
17:28 thestringpuller Will likely require someone to monitor both forks (running both versions) if the event occurs as a resolution source. (Resolution source still required).
17:28 mircea_popescu i dunno how it'd neatly be worded tbh
17:29 mircea_popescu i mean, in such a way as partisanship can't hijack the meaning post facto
17:29 mike_c thestringpuller: you've seen http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/ ?
17:29 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 0.03 B (3%) on Yes, 1.07 B (97%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 98`183 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyTgXy )
17:30 thestringpuller nah i have not
17:30 thestringpuller thanks for bringing that to my attention
17:31 mircea_popescu i'd argue that bet doesn't actually do what the title says.
17:31 mircea_popescu "Gavincoin orphan chain to reach 50 blocks before being abandoned" is kinda not the same as "Blockchain will increase"
17:31 mike_c well, we all know by now that the title is not controlling :)
17:32 mircea_popescu yeh, there's that.
17:32 mircea_popescu stil, as it is prolly a better phrasing anyway, give both sides some sort of chance.
17:32 mike_c there should be a 'bet author' credit. make people famous, and then i'd know who to yell at about some of these terms.
17:33 mircea_popescu mike_c there is.
17:33 mircea_popescu bitcent prize for when you figure it out :D
17:33 mike_c right, the initial wager
17:33 mircea_popescu right hehe
17:33 mircea_popescu and since kako's reforms, that's quite universal, nobody can say "if only i had thought of zeroconfing it"
17:34 mircea_popescu i guess in the end bitbet will spawn a bit phrasing discussion forum
17:35 mircea_popescu full of puns and wordplay and intricate hebrew arguments.
17:35 BingoBoingo BitBet is the new courts circus
17:35 mike_c ok then, whoever this is come see me for a detailed explanation of how you are killing bitbet. http://bitbet.us/stats/1sz7C5kag76Djs55vdBFvtinvLTyfn4pf/
17:35 assbot BitBet Stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyUTEE )
17:37 ben_vulpes salud, punkman
17:37 ben_vulpes i'd up ye, but...
17:37 ben_vulpes !up punkman
17:38 mircea_popescu mike_c go on ?
17:38 punkman weird power outage, ups crapped out :(
17:38 mike_c the time weighting system puts a dead zone in the middle of the lifetime of a bet
17:39 mike_c It is often not profitable to bet given your estimation of the odds and the current weight.
17:39 mike_c the beginning of the bet (high weight) and the end of a bet (high confidence) are the best two times to bet
17:39 mircea_popescu in the sense that if you figure the odds two weeks late and the market already is stable you're... late ?
17:40 mike_c no, more like this:
17:40 mike_c "market", i.e. what the money says is that the odds of yes are 60%
17:40 mike_c you believe the odds are actually 65%
17:41 mike_c but you still can't bet profitably, because time weighting has progressed and only made it profitable if you think the odds are something like 82%
17:41 mike_c well *that* doesn't happen until late in the bet
17:41 mircea_popescu let's model this for the sake of argument ?
17:41 mike_c ok
17:42 mike_c i will
17:42 mircea_popescu so, 10 day bet, on day 1 it's made, and 4 BTC on yes (40 weight) 60 BTC on no (60 weight)
17:42 mike_c i assume you meant 40 btc/60 btc
17:42 mike_c but ok, i'll work with that.
17:42 mircea_popescu on day 4 you come and split a btc : .35 on yes (2.1 weight), .65 on no (3.9 weight)./
17:43 mircea_popescu assuming no further bets
17:43 mircea_popescu you own 2.1 / 42.1 of 11 btc = 0.548693587 BTC if yes
17:44 mircea_popescu and 3.9 / 63.9 of 11 btc = 0.671361502 if no.
17:44 mike_c yes, well, first off that was silly
17:44 mike_c clearly both sides can't be profitable wagers
17:44 mircea_popescu 1.223563603 / 2 = 0.611781801
17:44 mircea_popescu so you are about at your .65
17:44 mircea_popescu minus a good chunk, granted. but still +
17:45 mircea_popescu (if you throw 1 btc blindly on a 65% odds event you should overall make .65 back)
17:46 mike_c ok.. so you meant 4 btc and 6 btc in the beginning.
17:46 mircea_popescu yes.
17:47 mike_c this example makes no sense. why did i put .35 on yes and .65 on no.
17:47 mircea_popescu and i'd argue it's fair you realise SOME of the 60-65 difference but not all, inasmuch as well... you're both on the right side of 50%, just you're 50% closer.
17:47 mircea_popescu mike_c statistics baby.
17:47 mike_c yeah, i'm about to school ya :)
17:47 mircea_popescu lmao
17:48 mircea_popescu it doesn't matter what you bet. i put both wagers down explicitly to get all terms on the table and leave no stone unturned.
17:48 mircea_popescu (ie, people betting one single side THINK they are. but they aren't. they should reserve the other anyway, if playing sanely)
17:48 mircea_popescu ie, put some btc aside in their pocket
17:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10000 @ 0.00089994 = 8.9994 BTC [+] {5}
17:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5730 @ 0.0006282 = 3.5996 BTC [+]
17:49 mike_c ok, day 4 i bet 1 btc on no (6 weight)
17:52 mike_c and if no wins, i get 6/66 * 11btc = 1btc? wtf.
17:52 mike_c that's not right.
17:52 mircea_popescu it's not, because you're looking at a dynamic situation as if it were a photograph.
17:52 mircea_popescu yes, if the 1 doesn't get covered you make a loss.
17:53 mike_c well, i break even
17:53 mircea_popescu but that's not because of the system. that's because of market inefficiency (your bet didn't get covered)
17:53 mircea_popescu your presumption HOWEVER
17:53 mircea_popescu was that market is at 60^
17:53 mircea_popescu in which case your 1 will have to be covered to maintain the 60%. do that.
17:53 mike_c and obviously market inefficiency is the only way to make money at parimutuel wagering..
17:53 mircea_popescu well OBVIOUSLY then it's also the only way to lose money. eh ?
17:54 mike_c and OBVIOUSLY nobody is going to maintain the 60% because the time weighting!
17:54 mircea_popescu ...
17:54 mike_c why would I bet on a 40% likely event and 20% odds?
17:54 mircea_popescu except, of course, as i shown above, if they bet rationally they do have a rational incentive to move the odds if they believe the odds.
17:54 mike_c *at
17:55 mike_c ok, i shall paint a complete and pretty picture on btcalpha.
17:55 mircea_popescu by all means.
17:56 mike_c right after dinner :) to be continued later.
17:57 punkman http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/one-coachs-nightmare-sending-his-wank-video-to-female-players/2/ charged with "Risk of Injury to Child"
17:57 assbot One coach’s nightmare—sending his wank video to female players | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wz0fzP )
17:59 mircea_popescu http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << this new year's was nothing like last years'
17:59 assbot #bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1wz0ICa )
18:02 thestringpuller I miss Bugpowder :(
18:02 thestringpuller and smickles
18:07 mircea_popescu TomServo herbi stopped by ? you two are liek friends ?
18:09 mircea_popescu cazalla: i am very upset over this fork talk << eh, nothing to get excited over, a little bit of war.
18:09 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ << whooa over 5k huh
18:09 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4375.82 B (80%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 11`042 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRAwHj )
18:10 mircea_popescu yeah that's gonna be a cool 54 btc for bitbet once it resolves.
18:10 mircea_popescu prolly moar than bitpay makes that month hehe
18:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 18:56:xx you got uncloaked, assuming it matters
18:11 mircea_popescu apparently doesn't.
18:12 mircea_popescu cazalla: how in the fuck does a pennyles german come here 65 years ago and build more in a decade or two than his own grandchildren could hope to build in a life time << you know he has a legitimate question there.
18:13 asciilifeform (the 'cloak' thing isn't worth a broken penny, but we already knew that)
18:13 mircea_popescu it has its uses.
18:14 mircea_popescu "I'd also like to see a source to this claim. I'll start a bounty of 3,000 bits." gotta love reddit.
18:15 asciilifeform to collect the 'bounty of 3,000 bits' why not go to the train station and pick up loose change...?
18:16 mircea_popescu nubbins`: also mildly curious to know how much time your grandfather spent on irc shooting the shit and complaining about how shitty his wife was <<< all old folks i knew, of that exact generation, spent about 20 hours a week, each week, with a beer and tobacco, talking exactly the same things.
18:16 mircea_popescu i very much doubt the solution to "welfare state has made life impossible for actual people" is "feel moar ashamed and guilty"
18:17 mircea_popescu the correct solution is to whip out the cock, jack off, send the film to every girl in junior high, then when the troopers show up whip the cock out, jack off on their face and beat them until they lick it off and thank you for it.
18:17 asciilifeform with or without hexagen vest ?
18:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: a: 'orcs came and burned my village to the ground' b: 'shuddup, enough whinging, do something to improve yer lot' << i can see it tbh.
18:18 mircea_popescu which reminds me of ancient joke. "tarzan prin jungla, gaseste o bita. "buna bita!" "buna tarzan!""
18:18 mircea_popescu ie, tarzan in the jungle, finds a glub. "now that's a good club". "hello tarzan". because buna is ambiguously hello and "this is a good item"
18:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#969982
18:20 assbot Logged on 08-01-2015 15:54:28; TomServo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/judge-govt-can-show-murder-for-hire-evidence-in-silk-road-trial/
18:21 mircea_popescu quick "fundaments of law" practice work. were you the judge, would you have allowed the evidence presented ? if yes, why ? if not, why not ?
18:21 asciilifeform the judge, or the freisler ?
18:22 mircea_popescu the judge.
18:22 * asciilifeform sometimes catches himself forgetting that preet is not (yet) a judge
18:22 mircea_popescu we're learning law here, not americana.
18:23 asciilifeform ianal but per american law as taught, the thing is a circu
18:23 asciilifeform s
18:23 asciilifeform at least a three ring circus, no less
18:23 mircea_popescu law, as an intellectual tradition / cultural phenomenon is quite sensible.
18:23 mircea_popescu you can't say "clothes are dumb" just because americans are poor and the chinese are mocking them.
18:23 asciilifeform 'thing' being the case
18:23 asciilifeform not law as concept
18:24 mircea_popescu ah sure.
18:24 mircea_popescu but i avoided that deliberately.
18:24 mircea_popescu evidentiary hearings are quite separate from any case.
18:26 punkman "Ulbricht does not currently face charges of attempted murder." so evidence unrelated to current case?
18:27 mircea_popescu well that's iffy.
18:27 mircea_popescu you'll have to show rationale.
18:27 asciilifeform punkman: according to the document, judge proclaimed it relevant to his having been characterized as a flight risk
18:27 asciilifeform during earlier bail hearing
18:27 asciilifeform and thus not excludable
18:27 mircea_popescu los_pantalones are you writing me repos/options/something on gavinbucks ?
18:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but i was more curios in general discussion, rather than merely judging the judge.
18:28 los_pantalones ha, no, i haven't been in here for too long
18:28 los_pantalones going through withdrawal
18:28 mircea_popescu lol
18:28 mircea_popescu on the merits the judge is entirely correct, he couldn't have excluded that.
18:28 asciilifeform the judge, afaik, is a kind of mechanical component here and is operating within specced envelope
18:29 mircea_popescu but the discussion of whether the envelope is real or metaphysical is important.
18:29 mircea_popescu yes, by and large the scientist in the lab is a puppet.
18:30 asciilifeform as in, whether only the specced kind of judge stands a chance of becoming an american judge - or, at least, of deciding so much as the least bit of such a case - or - alternatively, whether explicit control over the judges is somehow exercised ?
18:31 mircea_popescu los_pantalones http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/ vs http://pastebin.com/YfQLnKQz for a quick update.
18:31 assbot If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRCDLu )
18:31 assbot Looking before the Scaling Up Leap - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRCE1L )
18:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform as to whether you in his place would find yourself in the same envelope or not.
18:32 los_pantalones whoa, gribble dead?
18:32 los_pantalones i did miss a lot
18:33 mircea_popescu yea
18:33 mircea_popescu "RANDOM.ORG radios use in order to affect the generator. However, radio frequency attacks of this type would be difficult for a variety of reasons. First, the frequencies that the radios use are not published, so an attacker would have to broadcast across all frequencies of all bands used for FM and AM broadcasting. "
18:33 mircea_popescu this just made my brain melt.
18:33 mircea_popescu SERIOUSLY !?
18:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we read this one together !
18:34 asciilifeform during one of early rng discussions, i think
18:34 mircea_popescu and if i go to fuck a girl, i can't like... in any manner observe where the blasted slit is
18:34 mircea_popescu so i have to shoot sperm in a ball all around ?
18:34 mircea_popescu what is this, random.org for crabs ?
18:34 asciilifeform for children, doing homework exercises
18:35 asciilifeform who else uses it ?
18:35 mircea_popescu "Second, this is not an attack that can be launched from anywhere in the world, only reasonably close to the generator. "
18:35 mircea_popescu lmao.
18:35 thestringpuller so S.NSA will sell RNG dongle one day?
18:35 mircea_popescu ahahha this is like some prime comedy
18:35 mircea_popescu so you gotta be close and you can't hear. gwan
18:36 asciilifeform thestringpuller: there's a toggle which forces continuous rng grind, yes
18:36 thestringpuller cardano is giving me a raging clue
18:36 mircea_popescu "Q1.6: Does RANDOM.ORG perform custom jobs that require randomness? Yes. Perhaps you need more numbers than it's possible to get via the web forms, or perhaps you need them in a format that isn't supported. In those cases, we can set up a custom job for you to supply the numbers."
18:36 mircea_popescu i would like the number 6 in a cup, please.
18:36 mircea_popescu number formats !?
18:37 thestringpuller !s random.org
18:37 assbot 5 results for 'random.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=random.org
18:37 asciilifeform thestringpuller: if all you need is an rng, you can very easily build a satisfactory one yourself in an evening. from, e.g., 1970s textbooks.
18:37 thestringpuller asciilifeform: i'm not as competent as you in the fields of not electrocuting myself
18:38 asciilifeform nobody (i hope) uses some bozo's www 'rng' site for weaponized anything
18:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you'll have to appreciate the value of convenience SOME DAY
18:39 asciilifeform matter of fact, i appreciate that, for instance, i do not (yet) have to build own refrigerator.
18:39 mircea_popescu i actually did that.
18:39 asciilifeform convenience is appreciated esp. by the chronically inconvenienced.
18:39 * mircea_popescu hooked up old minifrige system to old vw golf for home made ac long ago
18:41 mircea_popescu Ulbricht won only a few minor points. The government won't be able to point to certain books sold on Silk Road, such as Silent but Deadly and Homemade C-4: A Recipe for Survival. Those exhibits "unnecessarily inject elements of violence and explosive devices that are not otherwise part of this case."
18:41 mircea_popescu why the fuck did he want THAT excluded
18:41 mircea_popescu they only took them out because they didn't want the jury to hear the titles,. lest they look it up
18:42 asciilifeform mega-lol!
18:42 asciilifeform both, iirc, are classics on w4r3z, for some years
18:42 mircea_popescu sure.
18:42 asciilifeform old b&w scans, passed around since fuck knows when.
18:42 mircea_popescu i wonder if he fires his lawyer now.
18:43 BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski
18:43 pete_dushenski cheers!~
18:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18249 @ 0.00062301 = 11.3693 BTC [-] {4}
18:44 pete_dushenski thestringpuller lol what bill would that be?
18:44 mircea_popescu "[A]s a side note, at what point in time do we decide that we’ve had enough of someone[’]s shit, and terminate them? Like, does impersonating a vendor to rip off a mid-level drug lord, using our rep and system; follows up by stealing from our vendors and clients and breeding fear and mis-trust, does that come close in your opinion."
18:44 mircea_popescu there was something very very odd about the pgp used on this site that allowed employees to impersonate users.
18:45 pete_dushenski peterl nice work on the blog aggregator! any guesses as to why my apostraphes are so mangled?
18:45 mircea_popescu maybe the government was impersonating dpr all along ?
18:45 asciilifeform http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1qh266/guide_pgp_4_n00bz << considering that this was how pgp was used...
18:45 assbot [GUIDE] PGP 4 N00BZ : SilkRoad ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXw4JL )
18:46 mircea_popescu i dunno why all these ppl get so excited about pgp. clearly it doesn't do anything
18:46 mircea_popescu brb moving to tor.
18:47 pete_dushenski heh
18:49 pete_dushenski "The cost of insuring Russia’s bonds against non-repayment for five years jumped 61 basis points this year to 538, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That makes the nation’s debt the fifth-riskiest globally, above speculative-grade countries including Lebanon, Egypt and Portugal."
18:49 pete_dushenski whoa, nano!
18:49 asciilifeform either the man himself, or funkspiel.
18:50 mircea_popescu well that's the beauty of the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue.
18:50 mircea_popescu you can never really swear who's the real billy mumphrey.
18:50 BingoBoingo A waterfall bursts http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/10/28/us-volkswagen-idUSTRE49R3I920081028
18:50 assbot Short sellers make VW the world's priciest firm| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXxOTr )
18:51 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo there's something about vw that attracts this sort of thing. i recall a similar carnage in the 80, and then somerthing with audi
18:51 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo except aapl!
18:52 pete_dushenski and around 2007-08 porsche almost bought vw, then got flipped on its ass and the reverse happened
18:53 mircea_popescu o yeah the porsche merger
18:53 mircea_popescu such a lulzfest
18:54 pete_dushenski yup. pretty much sealed porsche as a maker of, well, w4r3s
18:54 pete_dushenski they used to be cool
18:54 pete_dushenski now they make shiny things a la apple and lv
18:54 asciilifeform lv ?
18:55 pete_dushenski louis vuitton
18:55 * asciilifeform associates that company exclusively with spam
18:55 mircea_popescu lvhm!
18:55 pete_dushenski m before h ;)
18:55 mircea_popescu the only thing making money in france, sort of like paris' appple
18:55 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i like henessy better!
18:56 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DKM9MN.txt )
18:56 BingoBoingo !b 5
18:56 pete_dushenski lol i'm more of a courvoisier guy
18:56 mircea_popescu i didn't mean it's any good. merely that moet is meh-er-er!
18:57 pete_dushenski i know i know, it's Ţuică or bust
18:58 pete_dushenski tsuika
18:58 mircea_popescu assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 19:06:06; kakobrekla: btw bitstamp is moving operations to us (prolly sf). << qntra shoulda scooped you!
18:58 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski actually reserva san juan is pretty decent. just had some.
18:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00062593 = 17.7138 BTC [+] {2}
19:00 mircea_popescu "At the heart of the controversy is a breakdown in public trust that reflects the dangers of corporate-led water privatization schemes in the United States and around the world."
19:00 mircea_popescu holy shit! for 30 fucking years all the world could hear from us' imf "experts" was privatize, privatize, privatize
19:00 mircea_popescu now there's dangers involved ? shit, i guess we gotta go apologize to all the locals that said so back then ?
19:00 mircea_popescu o wait, they don;t have facebook profiles. nm.
19:02 pete_dushenski send them instagram selfies of imf experts making sad faces
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19:02 BingoBoingo !b 4
19:02 mircea_popescu Most troubling are charges of decades of revolving-door cronyism surrounding Joe Glicker, a vice president of CH2M Hill, the company awarded the contracts to build the new covered reservoirs for Portland. Not only was Glicker a former chief engineer of the Portland Water Bureau (PWB), he also worked as a core consultant with the EPA to write the very LT2 rules that now require these massive "emergency" water infrastruc
19:02 mircea_popescu ture projects.
19:02 mircea_popescu ajaha sweet.
19:02 mircea_popescu "Glicker's hand in crafting the LT2 ruling helped create an unfunded mandate that opened new markets for his company, while blindsiding cash-strapped municipalities across the country."
19:03 mircea_popescu dude... god save Botswana over there.
19:03 pete_dushenski blindsiding? you'd think botswana would just expect to be shit on by now
19:03 pete_dushenski it's sorta the norm, neh?
19:04 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> dude... god save Botswana over there. << Stahp impeaching Botswana's reputation by implying the United States resembles it.
19:04 mircea_popescu but botswana's reputation sucks.
19:04 BingoBoingo But compared to the US it should suck less!
19:05 BingoBoingo People's epistemic frameworks for determining suck are broken.
19:05 pete_dushenski speaking of cognac, i wonder what albert camus woulda thought of a $2100 bottle of the stuff bearing his name
19:05 mircea_popescu prolly nothing much
19:05 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture.
19:06 pete_dushenski eh prolly
19:06 mircea_popescu mike_c: is this new "1 week buffer from event" copy now standard practice? << people like putting it in. what can i say ?
19:08 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture. << At least Botswana's economy accepts that it exists simply as a tool for extracting raw resources.
19:08 mircea_popescu nope.
19:09 mircea_popescu they pretend, just like everyone else, to the utmost of their ability.
19:09 mircea_popescu that it's obvious to you but not to them has more to do with the fact that they're used to their own shit than anything.
19:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970220 << but it gets pretty thoroughly shot down ?
19:09 assbot Logged on 08-01-2015 20:53:34; asciilifeform: http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/35154/whether-to-tell-his-prospective-employer-that-a-new-male-post-doc-opposes-affirm << found this by pure accident. linking here just for mircea_popescu's butterfly collection.
19:13 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970234 << remember the days ceausescu was proposing the exact thing ? did husak havesomething similar i dun recall ?
19:13 assbot Logged on 08-01-2015 21:24:49; jurov: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html had to double check it isn't the onion
19:13 BingoBoingo Well it's like the KeystoneXL pipeline debate for which both sides neglect to discuss the destination of oil flowing through it (the export market)
19:15 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970234 << remember the days ceausescu was proposing the exact thing ? did husak havesomething similar i dun recall ? << Because they can't imagine people having occasion to fuck in the winter?
19:15 assbot Logged on 08-01-2015 21:24:49; jurov: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html had to double check it isn't the onion
19:15 mircea_popescu it's a commie thing.
19:15 mircea_popescu i dunno exactly what inflamed part of the cerebrum it comes from, but it's a commie thing.
19:15 BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski
19:16 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo re keystone xl: eh could just as well be domestic consumption
19:16 BingoBoingo I thought the entire point of having a domicile was heating it so clothing inside became optional.
19:16 pete_dushenski might as well really
19:17 pete_dushenski export pipelines to china from alberta are happening whether keystone goes forward or not
19:17 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Not really. Domestically we are getting the oil just fine. There's refineries spread all over the country. The point of the pipe is it runs to the ports in Texas.
19:18 asciilifeform winter clothing << the comical heat-only-the-humans-with-microwave-turret gadget from the film series 'silicon valley' was - afaik - proposed in earnest. possibly in ussr. vague recollection.
19:18 asciilifeform ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WvDHKKsCL4 (scene)
19:18 assbot Silicon Valley - Human heater - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXHRYy )
19:19 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo right, but you're saying there's no domestic need in the texas area?
19:22 undata mircea_popescu: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/30/portland-reservoir-urine_n_5243586.html
19:22 assbot Portland Will Save Reservoir Water Tainted By Teen's Urine ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXIUYG )
19:22 undata ^ clearly this merits spending a few hundred million
19:22 mircea_popescu "spending"
19:22 mircea_popescu you're looking at it wrong
19:22 mircea_popescu "job creation"
19:22 mircea_popescu it's not really money.
19:22 undata look that reservoir, you didn't make that to piss in, we all did
19:23 asciilifeform calculate ppm. s/saxitoxin/piss
19:23 asciilifeform how much must drink from the reservoir to get lethal dose.
19:23 undata and yet people still swim in the river
19:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: seems like it does require a crown contract attesting to the fact of use in a particular product, along with statement of disposal arrangements << uranium is, if mishandled, extremely toxic.
19:24 mircea_popescu kinda why du projectiles keep coming close to ban
19:24 asciilifeform (one of strongest known poisons, ld-50 for man ~= 0.5 mg)
19:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Pu - toxic; dU is a weak alpha emitter
19:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform get letal does with what certainty ?
19:25 asciilifeform 0.5
19:25 asciilifeform (def of ld50)
19:25 mircea_popescu because the us is built on "0% risk", see. otherwise smoking is ok and no need for helmets.
19:25 mircea_popescu so, a cupful is enoguh
19:25 mircea_popescu re u : it's chemically toxic.
19:26 undata google says the average bladder is about 0.5 L
19:26 mircea_popescu on an equal exposure basis, suspended particulates / oxides way way beat stuff like azbestos.
19:26 asciilifeform heavy metal - yes
19:27 mircea_popescu more so than gold.
19:27 mircea_popescu it's lead++
19:27 asciilifeform gold is biologically inert for practical purposes
19:28 mircea_popescu but a heavy metal.
19:28 asciilifeform aha
19:28 asciilifeform not the only edible one, either
19:28 asciilifeform Bi is mostly inert in man
19:28 mircea_popescu anyway, gold oxides and suspensions are very moderately toxic
19:28 asciilifeform aha. coordination complex.
19:28 mircea_popescu (the colodial silver folk are the working study group for this)
19:28 asciilifeform (recall how aqua regia works)
19:29 pete_dushenski asciilifeform http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/29/immigration-policy-is-about-barriers-to-entry-not-fairness-or-how-paul-graham-thinks-programmers-are-inventors/#comment-7994
19:29 assbot Immigration policy is about barriers to entry, not fairness; or how Paul Graham thinks programmers are inventors | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKEm4H )
19:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: though if nanotube goes in for this, omidyar should go <<< turns out stan is ALSO toxic
19:30 mircea_popescu uncontrolled laughter with liduid aspiration
19:30 mircea_popescu possibly life threatening.
19:30 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i merely thought it was odd that you brought up two figures who are not, afaik, known to have invented anything as examples of inventor
19:31 pete_dushenski hmm. "known" ?
19:31 pete_dushenski i mean you know a lot about a lot of things
19:32 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: possibly you knew of some invention that i am not aware of, attributed to these men ?
19:32 mircea_popescu now i gotta checkthis
19:32 pete_dushenski i guess an "inventor" for me doesn't have to have a specific product attributed to them
19:33 pete_dushenski as much as being known for their, well, craftiness
19:33 asciilifeform for instance, one often meets with discussion of how edison 'did not invent' x. which, for most values of x, is technically true. but i have not been able to find evidence (did try) that he is not the actual inventor of phonograph.
19:33 mircea_popescu well he doesn't mean inventor-inventor, like tesla.
19:33 pete_dushenski to which point i think both deserve some credit
19:33 mircea_popescu he means what graham means. business major.
19:33 asciilifeform (though a certain frenchman did record audio in a very edisonesque manner, without playing back, a few years before e.)
19:34 pete_dushenski sure, but edison is still an inventor
19:34 pete_dushenski whether or not he was "the first to 'invent' xyz"
19:34 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: herr jobs & bezos are well-known figures but they are 'inventors' in much the same way as they are ballerinas.
19:34 mircea_popescu so the opposite of inventor is "anonymous" ?
19:34 pete_dushenski lol
19:34 asciilifeform what's the opposite of ballerina ?
19:35 mircea_popescu i was talking to him lol.
19:35 pete_dushenski unballerina
19:35 pete_dushenski tap dancer
19:35 mircea_popescu and the opposite of ballerina is, dependopopotamus.
19:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00062859 = 16.9719 BTC [+]
19:35 asciilifeform l0l
19:36 mircea_popescu i guess if you're a lesbian ballerina coneisseurette, it's a dildo.
19:36 mircea_popescu still starts with d.
19:37 pete_dushenski in a way, i suppose that the opposite of an inventor is anonymous...
19:38 pete_dushenski not that the opposite of anonymous is an inventor
19:38 mircea_popescu so what's spinoza ?
19:39 pete_dushenski writer, philosopher...
19:39 pete_dushenski i see where you're going
19:39 mircea_popescu On April 5, DPR wrote: "I've received the picture and deleted it. Thank you again for your swift action."
19:39 mircea_popescu dude...
19:39 mircea_popescu HE DELETED IT
19:39 pete_dushenski and it might be a bit loose to call spinoza an inventor given that he only crafted words
19:39 mircea_popescu i enjoy reading these articles even if it's the same subject matter all over again,
19:40 mircea_popescu because it's all so damned funny.
19:40 mircea_popescu sorta like watching carlin over.
19:40 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski iirc he invented some lens bits.
19:40 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu aha yknow come to think of it that rings a bell
19:41 pete_dushenski you just caught me in the middle of reading "ethics" again and that's the salient bit
19:41 mircea_popescu but, since he's mentioned,
19:41 mircea_popescu Schisms do not originate in a love of truth, which is a source of courtesy and gentleness, but rather in an inordinate desire for supremacy. From all these considerations it is clearer than the Sun at noonday, that the true schismatics are those who condemn other men's writings, and seditiously stir up the quarrelsome masses against their authors, rather than those authors themselves, who generally write only for the l
19:41 mircea_popescu earned, and appeal solely to reason. In fact, the real disturbers of the peace are those who, in a free state, seek to curtail the liberty of judgment which they are unable to tyrannize over.
19:43 pete_dushenski sharp
19:43 BingoBoingo <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo right, but you're saying there's no domestic need in the texas area? << Texas itself net exports on its own
19:44 mircea_popescu this is true.
19:45 pete_dushenski “The greatest secret of monarchic rule...is to keep men deceived and to cloak in the specious name of religion the fear by which they must be checked, so that they will fight for slavery as they would for salvation, and will think it not shameful, but a most honorable achievement, to give their life and blood that one man may have a ground for boasting.”
19:45 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo ok, but it's neighbours too?
19:46 mircea_popescu well actually i don't think it's shameful either.
19:46 mircea_popescu what else would life&blood be given for ? moar offspring ?
19:47 mircea_popescu shit, "human girls asshole" search string trendingon trilema. THE ALIENS HAVE LANDED!
19:47 mircea_popescu looking for butts to probe
19:47 BingoBoingo <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo ok, but it's neighbours too? << Yes, especially the neighbors. "Fracking"
19:47 asciilifeform (human (girl's asshole))
19:47 asciilifeform like 'human cannonball' etc
19:48 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu spinoza's just saying it's a "secret"
19:48 mircea_popescu who would need oil there, arizona ?! new mexico ?
19:48 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> who would need oil there, arizona ?! new mexico ? << This. Also Oklahomo, Louisiana...
19:49 pete_dushenski further north, monsanto farms
19:49 pete_dushenski i dunno
19:50 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski> further north, monsanto farms Further north and Keystone XL doesn't need to be as long. Right now trains and barges move crude. Refineries scatted around as well.
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20:08 BingoBoingo I actually think this whole fracking/pipeline thing is rather poetic. The United States is literally shattering the country's bedrock to become more like Nigeria.
20:10 asciilifeform !up RagnarDanneskjol
20:10 asciilifeform somebody do it
20:11 nubbins` !up CerberusVM
20:11 nubbins` o woe is me
20:11 asciilifeform RagnarDanneskjol> asciilifeform - update from nano from few hours ago:
20:11 asciilifeform <RagnarDanneskjol> (23:51:57) nanotube: hi, looks like outbound connectivity is dead on my vps. filed support request, would appreciate someone to take a look
20:11 nubbins` hi, looks like i was offline for 2 weeks and am only now noticing :D
20:11 asciilifeform any ops awake ?
20:12 BingoBoingo !up[ RagnarDanneskjol
20:13 BingoBoingo !up CerberusVM
20:13 BingoBoingo !up RagnarDanneskjol
20:13 TomServo mircea_popescu: Naw, I had just noticed he joined the chan earlier.
20:13 nubbins` CerberusVM: welcome
20:14 nubbins` apologies for the technical difficulties, gribble's absence has left us mildly encumbered
20:22 thestringpuller we have ops now?
20:22 thestringpuller what if nanotube leaving was an attempt to make ops in our channel
20:22 asciilifeform whateverthey'recalled
20:22 thestringpuller kakobrekla and mircea_popescu were in on it
20:24 BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski
20:24 BingoBoingo !up PeterL
20:25 pete_dushenski heya PeterL
20:25 RagnarDanneskjol While we anxiously await gribb's return, its worth mentioning, the best btc exchange avail is funded by donations...address is at bottom of OTC website
20:25 pete_dushenski since there's no ;;later function, you'll note that i left you a msg in the logs
20:25 RagnarDanneskjol https://mobile.twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/533660967549157376
20:25 assbot Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/14AqyyU )
20:25 PeterL wrt pipeline: I thought they were piping it to texas because that is where the refineries are, refineries are there because that is where ports are?
20:26 BingoBoingo PeterL: Well a number of refineries there, but there' refineries pretty much everywhere.
20:28 pete_dushenski off on a date. laters!
20:30 PeterL Justin Amash has an interesting take on the issue, https://www.facebook.com/repjustinamash/posts/557041991001878
20:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1x1b64w )
20:31 thestringpuller asciilifeform: convenience is appreciated esp. by the chronically inconvenienced. << does this mean you also appreciate time management?
20:32 * asciilifeform confused
20:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00062169 = 31.0845 BTC [-]
20:46 PeterL mircea_popescu: you said a replacement for gribble auth was in the works, were you referring to "gossipd" or a more readily available something else, like using assbot for auth?
20:46 mircea_popescu PeterL the latter.
20:46 PeterL any details available?
20:46 mircea_popescu fwiw, nano said hi earlier, benign story is benign.
20:47 mircea_popescu nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall
20:47 mircea_popescu so, shouldn't be so very long.
20:47 mircea_popescu tempted to guess it'll be before bitstamp's exchange's back online at any rate :D
20:47 PeterL lol
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21:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46750 @ 0.00064463 = 30.1365 BTC [+]
21:21 nanotube yes, nanotube is alive. unfortunately, my server network isn't so much. :)
21:23 mod6 wb nano
21:26 nanotube :)
21:27 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall << will assbot write to a wot db - assbot_wot.db if you will? or will it just be read-only?
21:28 mircea_popescu read only wouldn't make much sense would it.
21:29 thestringpuller ah so the wot is forking ;)
21:30 mircea_popescu on the plus side, since we have the signed pastebin thing down pat by now,
21:31 mircea_popescu it can actually do signed ratings
21:31 mike_c can it get 'rated since' right? so you don't have to weigh whether it is worth changing a rating description vs losing the original rating date.
21:32 thestringpuller if you're upgrading why not take revision of rating
21:32 thestringpuller rating v1 v2 v3
21:32 mike_c meh. i don't mind replacing. rating shouldn't necessarily follow you forever.
21:32 mircea_popescu mike_c this is a good idea huh.
21:33 mircea_popescu that weighing is a bitch.
21:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00062202 = 18.3807 BTC [-]
21:34 thestringpuller mike_c: well some things stay ony our credit report for years even if the rating changes :P
21:35 thestringpuller on your*
21:35 mike_c yes. thankfully we are not experian :)
21:35 thestringpuller when did the cult become forgiving :P
21:36 mircea_popescu if they're signed they don't go away anyway.
21:36 mircea_popescu hekc, the old ones don't go away either, you can just log the chan.
21:36 thestringpuller they can if you rate through pm
21:36 mike_c there's a channel with all rating updates
21:37 thestringpuller oh rly?
21:37 asciilifeform gonna be a mega-lol when 'gossip' is plugged in and we do yet another 'year zero'..
21:37 thestringpuller so the db is gonna be fresh, everyone has to re-register keys and stuff?
21:37 thestringpuller by mention of 'year zero' ~_~
21:37 mike_c thestringpuller: #bitcoin-otc-ratings
21:38 asciilifeform a full-bore year zero would require everybody suddenly forgetting their keys
21:38 mircea_popescu thestringpuller i dun see why it would have to be fresh.
21:38 mircea_popescu there's copies to the old one prev to jan 6th or w/e.
21:39 mircea_popescu same for gossipd.
21:39 thestringpuller yah just wondering.
21:39 thestringpuller asciilifeform had me confused with 'year zero'
21:39 thestringpuller i was thinking of the NiN album
21:39 * asciilifeform just fond of the phrase
21:39 thestringpuller then you'll love the album :P
21:50 BingoBoingo !up blazeme8
21:50 blazeme8 ty
21:50 BingoBoingo !up kermit
21:50 blazeme8 what's WoT?
21:51 BingoBoingo The instrument of restoring Venetian civilization
21:51 mircea_popescu blazeme8 http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
21:51 assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRTbmv )
21:52 blazeme8 ooohh the thing from bitcoin-otc
21:52 mircea_popescu yea
21:55 blazeme8 man I have no idea if i still have my key
21:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14652 @ 0.00065395 = 9.5817 BTC [+]
22:02 BingoBoingo http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-to-call-for-two-years-of-free-community-college-for-all-students-1420760026 << Now Obola wants to rob people of entire years of their life
22:02 assbot Obama Calls for Two Years of Free Community College for All Students - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ix7xtC )
22:03 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/richardwarnica/status/553361241704771585
22:03 assbot "You have to be careful about drinking around me," Cosby just said to a woman in the crowd. Loud gasps from the audience.
22:04 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/richardwarnica/status/553361505723621377
22:04 assbot The gasps then changed to cheers and applause.
22:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo gotta keep them somewhere
22:08 mircea_popescu would you prefer working camps ?
22:10 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe? Then again I don't have a community college degree. Maybe I should stick around in the US just long enough to get an Obama degree.
22:10 mircea_popescu what's this, like the aids joke ?
22:11 mircea_popescu (bum goes to donate blood. "do you have aids ?" "no. do you ?" "actually... yes." "gimme two.")
22:11 BingoBoingo lol
22:12 BingoBoingo Trying to catch AIDs for the welfare is apparently actually a subculture.
22:12 mircea_popescu ;;google "poz my neg hole"
22:13 BingoBoingo ;;google bugchasing
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22:32 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/xidiff-retirement/
22:35 nanotube gribble should be coming back any time now.
22:36 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Broken link in that latest post
22:39 thestringpuller welcome back gribble
22:39 thestringpuller ;;echo it's good to be back
22:40 thestringpuller :(
22:40 gribble it's good to be back
22:42 danielpbarron https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6yQYkMIYAAhu96.jpg
22:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AO9HVn )
22:44 thestringpuller she's cute lol
22:46 BingoBoingo http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-irony-of-authorities-inventory.html
22:46 assbot Crazy RxMan: The Irony of The Authorities' Inventory Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOaMfU )
22:50 BingoBoingo http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5lETKoWP-j4/VJmC5KY9BEI/AAAAAAAAKxU/sxlODQUDslo/s1600/tumblr_nfcelg4CWO1qabj53o1_500.jpeg
22:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAkBsx )
22:52 BingoBoingo !up svetlana
23:05 thestringpuller !up GNULinuxGuy
23:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00061813 = 38.0459 BTC [-] {5}
23:13 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
23:13 gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
23:14 danielpbarron http://www.warriorforum.com/social-media/1020448-sobit-bitcoin-social-network.html#post9798699
23:14 assbot SoBIT an Bitcoin Social Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAqjuh )
23:24 BingoBoingo !up justusranvier
23:26 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ty!
23:29 mircea_popescu lol @derpy blondy
23:32 mircea_popescu i don't get chemist's complaint.
23:33 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Was told to cut $$$ value of inventory, was sent a bunch of expensive about to expire.
23:34 * ben_vulpes sighs, cracks neck
23:34 mircea_popescu obviously ?
23:34 mircea_popescu the two are unrelated tho. they had some shit about to expire. of coruse it gets sent out.
23:34 mircea_popescu what else, sit on it ?
23:36 BingoBoingo Well, Zostavax is notorious for being used infrequently to never.
23:36 mircea_popescu i suppose the error is the bizarre notion that headquarters is in the business of doing the shop's job, only they have better tools ?
23:36 mircea_popescu that's not how business works. the shop is in the business of solving hq's problems. all of them.
23:36 mircea_popescu that's why the shop exists. if it doesn't do that, it can dangle.
23:36 BingoBoingo Right, and HQ does the shop's job poorly
23:37 mircea_popescu zostavax is notorious for being the main source of shingles in the us, but that's another story.
23:37 BingoBoingo Sure.
23:37 BingoBoingo Prevents/causes shingles
23:37 mircea_popescu anyway, the reason they pushed for lowering inventory is probably exactly the fact that they keep ending up with shit that doesn'tsell because it expires.
23:38 mircea_popescu if anything that delivery is the explanation of why the fuck the call was even necessary.
23:38 BingoBoingo Right. Example of inept "failed to success" HQ crowd
23:38 BingoBoingo Like Obola
23:39 danielpbarron ;;later tell grubles any comment on this? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2014#959288
23:39 assbot Logged on 23-12-2014 19:47:34; mircea_popescu: re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing.
23:39 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:39 mircea_popescu speaking of horrible us pharma crapola that's ended up giving vaccines a bad name in the us, and the people who (properly!) refuse vaccination now get to be depicted as redneck savages because o noes, vaccines are great (they would be, and they were before us companies got involved) :
23:39 mircea_popescu i am deeply amused at how everything's "an allergic reaction" now.
23:39 mircea_popescu perhaps because it sounds so like allogenic.
23:39 BingoBoingo Why lawyer with a law degree when you can "community organize" for better hours and pay
23:39 mircea_popescu anyway, "got shingles from the merck vaccine ? O ITS JUS TAN ALLERGIC REACTION WILL GO AWAY"
23:40 mircea_popescu guess what fuckers... so would shingles.
23:40 BingoBoingo Well, live virus vaccine and Elderly patients are circles you don't want touching on a Venn Diagram anyways.
23:41 mircea_popescu but you gotta sell crap for 200 bux a pop or w/e it is
23:41 BingoBoingo Yeah
23:41 mircea_popescu and i fat least all this embezzled money went into research, you know ? all the idiots that gave themselves zona zooster because "medicine" and "Science" could at least serve humanity.
23:42 mircea_popescu but, just like in the case of shittywood and so on, the actual creatives get 1.5% and tjhey gotta be in a union for that even.
23:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00089285 = 2.2321 BTC [-] {14}
23:44 BingoBoingo Well, it is one of those cases where what works for polio does not work for the more beneign herpes zoster.
23:45 mircea_popescu this is perhaps the best example of bs. first off, idiot us derps are more affraid of pain than anytihng. so let's create this fantastic disease which CAN HURT REALLY BAD
23:46 mircea_popescu which it can, theoretically, in extremely rare cases.
23:46 mircea_popescu and then let's sell a vaccine for it. which is a shitload more expensive than a useful one, like the polio one.
23:46 mircea_popescu vaccine doesn't work, but that's ok, because the thing it "protects " against doesn't really happen.
23:46 BingoBoingo I mean shingles is the perfect disease that hurts bad without threatening life.
23:46 mircea_popescu if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is.
23:48 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is. << Well also the part where the only chance most USians have to gape in awe at a golden toilet is at the doctor's (or increasingly almost doctor's)
23:48 Bet created: "LTC to top one bitcent before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1097/
23:52 Bet created: "LTC to fall below half a bitcent before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1098/
23:57 mircea_popescu check out idiotpedia : "An allogenic succession can be brought about in a number of ways which can include: Volcanic eruptions Meteor or comet strike Flooding Drought Earthquakes Non-anthropogenic climate change"
23:58 mircea_popescu totally. except the only climate change documented to date is caused BY FUCKING BACTERIA
23:58 mircea_popescu not by humans. and it doesn't properly fit allogenic succession definition, but because, like the putative anthropogenic climate change that allegedly is being prevented by that dumb teenager in the snow up in the log, is caused by fucking living things.
23:59 mircea_popescu then people want to know why retardopedia is not a source of information. this is why. because in the mouths of the stupid, even good sense loses itself.
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