Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2014-12-22 | 2014-12-24 → ↓
00:32 TheNewDeal ;;nethash
00:32 gribble 280594055.846
00:32 TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats
00:32 gribble Current Blocks: 335484 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 1187 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 37656692084.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.56433
00:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00064244 = 11.9494 BTC [+]
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00:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1477 @ 0.00123243 = 1.8203 BTC [+] {3}
00:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4426 @ 0.00123312 = 5.4578 BTC [+] {5}
01:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1309 @ 0.00123397 = 1.6153 BTC [+] {6}
01:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2250 @ 0.00124257 = 2.7958 BTC [+] {5}
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01:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00063509 = 11.0823 BTC [-] {2}
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02:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15874 @ 0.00065875 = 10.457 BTC [+] {3}
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03:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00063396 = 18.7652 BTC [-] {2}
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03:51 Naphex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoQYw49saqc marry xmas, and such :D laters
03:51 assbot Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/13WT2m6 )
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04:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 838 @ 0.001215 = 1.0182 BTC [+]
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06:54 mats https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/helping-a-poor-soul-having-better-days--2
06:54 assbot Helping a poor soul having better days | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/16Mo15j )
07:03 kakobrekla !up AndrewJackson
07:03 kakobrekla !up Ssateneth
07:03 kakobrekla !up hotrew
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07:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 954 @ 0.001215 = 1.1591 BTC [-] {2}
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08:11 BingoBoingo !up Elio20
08:21 punkman !up austeritysucks
08:22 BingoBoingo !up austeritysucks
08:22 BingoBoingo Hello austeritysucks
08:22 austeritysucks hi there
08:23 BingoBoingo What brings you around these parts?
08:23 austeritysucks been using bitcoin as virtual items merchant and accumulated some just poking around
08:23 BingoBoingo Cool
08:23 punkman cool, what do you sell?
08:23 austeritysucks csgo items mostly
08:24 austeritysucks counter strike on steam
08:24 BingoBoingo Ah, there's channel logs in the topic if you are interested in some history
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08:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00063918 = 11.0578 BTC [+]
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09:00 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/12/gchq-says-its-surveillance-ability-crippled-post-snowden/
09:00 assbot GCHQ Says Its Surveillance Ability is Crippled Post-Snowden | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zeZaOq )
09:06 Apocalyptic BingoBoingo, "actually has some an explicit" probably a typo
09:07 BingoBoingo fix'd
09:07 BingoBoingo Thanks
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09:36 mike_c ping jurov
09:37 mike_c have you ever thought about adding the ability to short mpex stocks to coinbr? seems like it would be a great service for you as a brokerage.
09:38 mike_c let people lend shares at an interest rate, and let others borrow (with btc collateral) to short.
09:41 thestringpuller mike_c dunno if there is enough volume for that
09:43 mike_c it is grease for the wheels.
09:45 mike_c like right now, s.bbet has a big bid/ask spread. but it can be tough to market-make a stock if you can't borrow shares to sell.
09:45 mike_c and obviously there is plenty of s.mpoe volume
09:45 mike_c and volatility
09:47 thestringpuller volume was a bad word
09:47 thestringpuller i dunno if there is enough inventory
09:47 thestringpuller volume was completely the wrong word
09:48 mike_c you're going to have to use more words :) I don't follow your concern.
09:50 thestringpuller i don't know if the conglemorate of coinbr users have the inventory of stock necessary to lend.
09:57 mike_c yes, but coinbr would now be offering interest on passive stock holdings. so perhaps it would pick up new types of customers.
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10:22 asciilifeform nanotube around? yesterday i updated my key (new exp date, same fingerprint); still getting 'Error: Problem creating encrypted OTP file.' from gribble.
10:25 asciilifeform http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7 << appears
10:25 assbot Search results for '0x17215d118b7239507fafed98b98228a001abffc7' ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCSVXQ )
10:25 asciilifeform but no worky.
10:35 BingoBoingo !up nanotube
10:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47433 @ 0.00063918 = 30.3182 BTC [+]
10:55 nanotube asciilifeform: refreshed your key. (regular cron job runs weekly)
11:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1026 @ 0.00125487 = 1.2875 BTC [+] {3}
11:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2461 @ 0.00126472 = 3.1125 BTC [+] {9}
11:08 TomServo !up drawingthesun
11:08 kakobrekla !up drawingthesun
11:19 asciilifeform nanotube: thx!
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11:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00067001 = 30.184 BTC [+] {2}
11:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2397 @ 0.0012599 = 3.02 BTC [+]
11:48 mike_c who is best torrent search these days?
11:52 mats do you want an invite to a private tracker?
11:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17326 @ 0.00063648 = 11.0277 BTC [-]
12:02 mike_c um. idk. sure?
12:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6000 @ 0.00033338 = 2.0003 BTC [+] {5}
12:04 kakobrekla (if its what.cd rather say no)
12:05 mats pm email
12:06 mats i only had the one what.cd invite
12:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.118 = 2.124 BTC [-]
12:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 47719 @ 0.00004899 = 2.3378 BTC [+] {6}
12:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 150 @ 0.00898401 = 1.3476 BTC [-]
12:23 BingoBoingo ;;later tell mircea_popescu Oh look other people are tired of being hasseled with ideas too http://www.itworld.com/article/2862466/im-done-agreeing-to-ndas-before-hearing-ideas.html
12:23 assbot I'm done agreeing to NDAs before hearing ideas | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1xdUJIB )
12:23 gribble The operation succeeded.
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12:43 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/12/sony-now-to-release-movie/
12:43 assbot Sony Now to Release Movie | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1whRhp6 )
12:49 TomServo Ahah - what a bunch of clowns.
12:49 thestringpuller BingoBoingo I'm going to need you to GPG sign this NDA before I discuss details of this project...
12:50 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Well, at least you are recorded in the WoT in a way other than Mr Spam is.
12:50 thestringpuller I want to talk to you about this idea flappy plane. It's going to revolutionize aviation.
12:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60016 @ 0.00063775 = 38.2752 BTC [+] {4}
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13:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1573 @ 0.00125 = 1.9663 BTC [-] {4}
13:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00121723 = 1.2172 BTC [-] {9}
13:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00121502 = 6.0751 BTC [-] {6}
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14:44 mircea_popescu kakobrekla pong
14:44 mircea_popescu ;;rated grubles
14:44 gribble You have not yet rated user grubles
14:46 mircea_popescu ;;rate grubles -1 Disingenuous at best. One of the large group of everyday nitwits that wandered into Bitcoin early on enough so as to end up with a much larger momentary fortune than their limited brainpower could support. After squandering it through the usual means, they prefer to pretend their funciar stupidity is someone else's fault.
14:46 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user grubles has been recorded.
14:47 mircea_popescu re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing.
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14:47 mircea_popescu for that matter, the contract has a specific clause, 3(a)That no third party has offered verifiable proof as to the inaccuracy or incompleteness of the representations and warranties made herein and that no market makers, preferred traders and other significant investors of MPEx have publicly proffered doubt as to the accuracy or completeness of the representations and warranties made herein ;
14:48 mircea_popescu he never availed himself of it, and that is exactly enough for constructive tacit agreement, just as good as if he swore to the whole thing.
14:48 mircea_popescu for that matter, the guy didn't protest at any point while rg was still running the thing, nor did he stand up to take over once rg fucked it up.
14:54 mircea_popescu there was about a month there while namworld was struggling to salvage the thing. which meanwhile i think died again or what is it these days ?
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14:56 thestringpuller oh look it's a popescu!
14:56 * thestringpuller waves
14:57 mircea_popescu heya thestringpuller
14:57 mircea_popescu how goes the merryments ?
14:57 mircea_popescu !up cornfeedhobo
14:57 cornfeedhobo gracias
14:58 thestringpuller They are interesting! I think my 3D artist has some renders as an XMas present for you. Hopefully chetty can help us get it in the engine sometime Q1.
14:58 mircea_popescu for sure!
14:58 thestringpuller How is your vacation going?
14:58 mircea_popescu pretty fun!
14:58 thestringpuller warmer than the n hemisphere i hope ;)
14:59 thestringpuller not that you'd need warmth with that harem of yours ;)
14:59 mircea_popescu do you realise i've been pretty much here, and on -otc before that, almost every day for like three years straight ?
14:59 mircea_popescu nuts if you say it outloud.
14:59 thestringpuller Well you do have highest word count for good reasons!
15:00 thestringpuller so I work for the marketing department here as a developer.
15:00 thestringpuller in one of the meetings I almost went "marketing is rape"
15:00 thestringpuller and was about to start quoting trilema
15:01 mircea_popescu o.O
15:03 thestringpuller haha! I have no idea why we spend so much on marketing. These designers are wasting their precious time.
15:03 mircea_popescu well just don't get arrested over freedom of speech lol
15:05 joecool heh return of rg to irc seems to be causing arguments in all the bitcoin-* channels
15:06 kakobrekla but he doesnt own his key anymore?
15:07 joecool kakobrekla: i thought that was just a rumor, for months everyone thought he sold his forum login too, yet he claims not since he came back to irc
15:08 kakobrekla dik.
15:09 mircea_popescu joecool was a fact back then.
15:09 mircea_popescu these things don't change over time i dun think.
15:09 joecool no i wouldn't expect that to change over time if true
15:10 mats it was entertaining to see Anduck chat again
15:11 mats feelings were hurt and words were had
15:13 cornfeedhobo mircea_popescu: sounds like a fun 3 years
15:13 mircea_popescu guy's kinda add.
15:13 mircea_popescu **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 8 16:13:16 2012
15:13 mircea_popescu Apr 08 16:13:16 *Now talking on #bitcoin-otc
15:13 mircea_popescu Apr 08 16:13:16 *Topic for #bitcoin-otc is: OTC marketplace for Bitcoin trading and exchange. | http://bitcoin-otc.com/ | http://bit.ly/x56Fd5 | Start with the ;;guide | Before trading, talk to people, and check ratings. | Beware the FRAUDSTERS. ;;fraud | Trade Options: http://polimedia.us/btc | Bitcoin VPS: http://bitvps.com | BTC → MP @ http://btcpak.com | Support bitcoin-otc! 1F1dPZxdxVVigpGdsafnZ3cFBdMGDADFDe
15:13 assbot #bitcoin-otc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0f8w )
15:13 assbot Bitcoin-otc channel guidelines - bitcoin-otc wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0ikJ )
15:13 assbot MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0gcJ )
15:13 assbot BitVPS: SSD VPS & Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin | SSD VPS + Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0gti )
15:13 mircea_popescu Apr 08 16:13:16 *Topic for #bitcoin-otc set by nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube at Wed Apr 4 06:47:00 2012
15:13 mircea_popescu ^going through old logs.
15:13 mircea_popescu does -otc still have sponsors or nomoar ?
15:14 cornfeedhobo i havent seen one in a year, i think
15:14 joecool -otc can't even pull together an events bot
15:14 cornfeedhobo afaik, the ops have one
15:14 mircea_popescu well, let it be a lesson to all aspiring states : don't allow gmaxwells anywhere near anything, or they'll shit up your future.
15:15 cornfeedhobo gmaxwell? i think i may have missed the drama involving him ... mind filling me in?
15:15 mircea_popescu cornfeedhobo http://trilema.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/
15:15 assbot The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0Wid )
15:17 cornfeedhobo hahaha "LOL @ #bitcoin-otc-nsfw is a danieldaniel free zone."
15:18 mircea_popescu i think guy was like 16 or something at the time
15:18 mircea_popescu http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2012/04/07#l1333839931 << bitvps had one of those "vote your favorite face" thing
15:18 assbot BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx1FjD )
15:18 cornfeedhobo he is 16 now. i have met him in NYC. not a fan.
15:19 mircea_popescu a really ? i never kept too close track. just a kid wandered in one day.
15:19 mircea_popescu 22:13 rgsoon you guys can invest in BitVPS
15:19 cornfeedhobo he has gone out of his way too many times to be extremely rude. i found it fitting when he was hired by CoinBase
15:20 cornfeedhobo (customer support)
15:20 mircea_popescu Apr 06 06:24:27 <rg>just set your password to asdfghjkl;' that way you can zip through the whole row. the enter key is even at the end. thats to root password to every bitvps server.
15:20 mircea_popescu Apr 06 06:25:10 <pigeons>i set mine to "incorrect", so when i forget it, the app tells me
15:20 mircea_popescu good old days lol
15:21 cornfeedhobo lol
15:21 mircea_popescu cornfeedhobo isn't support the hell computer afficionados go to die in ?
15:23 joecool cornfeedhobo: still think the best was seeing a minor (danieldaniel) lend btc to a heroin addict (rg), -otc is always good entertainment
15:23 cornfeedhobo that is certainly what i have always thought
15:23 cornfeedhobo indeed
15:23 cornfeedhobo and cry about not getting it back. lol
15:24 mircea_popescu jborkl: What was the rate, 7% per day? Or week << per week
15:24 mircea_popescu but he had an insider deal where he paid the various captains of industry more so they got the idea to resell.
15:24 mircea_popescu joecool when was this ?
15:25 joecool mircea_popescu: about a year or so ago
15:25 mircea_popescu after my time.
15:26 jborkl sweet action, 7% per week... seems so realistic
15:26 thestringpuller cornfeedhobo: danieldaniel is a weird kid.
15:26 mircea_popescu at the time, bitcoin was a few dollars and basically nobody gave much of a shit.
15:26 thestringpuller he's trustworthy tho, or at least was.
15:26 mircea_popescu eventually people started caring and it got crushed into the dirt, but for a year or so all sorts of bugs got to dance on the tools an' pretend.
15:27 thestringpuller I think he spends too much time in front of a computer and not enough time sleeping with girls.
15:27 jborkl yeah, the weekend btcst went bust it dropped to $8
15:28 mircea_popescu it was oscilating aroudn there, at some point prior the pirate muppet was "going to ruin the price" while it went from low 6s to 7s.
15:28 mircea_popescu that was some lulzy log
15:28 mircea_popescu i dun recall which chan it was in tho, some pricewatchers something
15:29 thestringpuller man i miss those days
15:30 mircea_popescu i recall this one instance where i was going to buy some btc but the guy turned out to only have like 5 or so, and i was meh, for that much not worth my time going into paypal.
15:30 assbot cornfeedhobo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
15:30 mircea_popescu !up cornfeedhobo
15:31 mircea_popescu this was during that dry summer when it stayed at 2.x
15:31 thestringpuller ;;gettrust mircea_popescu gmaxwell
15:31 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user gmaxwell: Level 1: -10, Level 2: 20 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=gmaxwell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gmaxwell | Rated since: Mon Jul 25 13:49:45 2011
15:31 thestringpuller lol i think he is rated lower than magicaltux
15:31 cornfeedhobo thestringpuller: he is trustworthy because someone doxxed him a while back. even posted pictures of his mom. I never got the sense that it was genuine, but i could be wrong.
15:31 mircea_popescu who ?
15:31 thestringpuller ;;gettrust mircea_popescu magicaltux
15:31 cornfeedhobo danieldaniel
15:31 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user magicaltux: Level 1: -1, Level 2: -22 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
15:31 mircea_popescu is danielmom hot ?
15:32 cornfeedhobo i dont recall
15:32 rithm man o man\
15:32 rithm all that text up above
15:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958826 << somehow nobody goes "o look, mp paid 100s of btc so bitcoin financial space may exist"
15:33 assbot Logged on 22-12-2014 22:14:11; jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ << Anduck see the discussion, it's mircea's and kako's sacrosanct right to arrange unprotected hole in the foyer with a sign "whatever falls here, is our property"
15:34 mircea_popescu yet plenty of idiot muppets going "o noes, we tried to scam with 10 btc and it didn't work out like we wanted it to BLAME MP"
15:35 mircea_popescu kinda why democracy is a fucking stupid idea. the only logical counterbalance to the common man's moral myopia is a solid grasp on the кнут.
15:36 thestringpuller mircea_popescu is the next great khan...
15:36 thestringpuller khan of khans!
15:36 * thestringpuller has been watching too much netflix
15:37 mircea_popescu i imagine neflix goes gangbusters mid to late decvember
15:38 thestringpuller that was a good radio program.
15:38 jborkl thestringpuller, i watched four episodes last night.
15:38 jborkl i was really bored
15:39 mircea_popescu http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=340 bwahahaha
15:39 assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx8fXl )
15:39 thestringpuller jborkl: hit or miss right? my asian friend calls it "asian GoT without the dragons"
15:39 rithm http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ i find personally offensive still
15:39 assbot ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx8kKr )
15:39 rithm perma-disagreement
15:39 jborkl that is about right actually
15:40 rithm afaik the rota thing was a mircea and wences setup
15:40 rithm so everyone can blow me anyways
15:41 mircea_popescu what's so offensive about it ? you had a chance to be like intelligent and prove the common man should have a voice.
15:41 mircea_popescu you used it to prove the common man belongs silent.
15:41 mircea_popescu either way, you know ? things should be what they are.
15:41 rithm that's some sort of twisting of the facts. pay me to discuss it with you and I might.
15:42 rithm i still have the full channel logs
15:43 kakobrekla >The total damage steming from this latest naivity of mine is 150 BTC in owed salaries which become due in December < this was actually paid ?
15:43 mircea_popescu what, trying to imply something's missing ? nothing's missing, it's all there.
15:43 mircea_popescu kakobrekla myeah.
15:43 kakobrekla to whom?
15:43 mircea_popescu to, for instance, rithm
15:43 rithm i can look up the txid if you need
15:43 kakobrekla he got 50?
15:43 mircea_popescu iirc rassah didn't want it because he didn't think he had done anything
15:44 mircea_popescu which i can respek.
15:44 rithm i still haz it if you want it back
15:44 mircea_popescu nop.
15:45 mircea_popescu teh great lesson of bitcoinz : there's no backsies.
15:45 mircea_popescu i never had any idea, but liek... teh most fundamentally humane thing actually is going "hey, try again"
15:45 mircea_popescu that is about as unnatural as it gets.
15:47 rithm i'm not sure how someone'e else lack of decision making skills and causality and what-not becomes my failure
15:47 rithm but whatevs
15:49 kakobrekla seems like im listed in the judge list as well. just ftr i did not receive any compensation for my non-work (as i was not involved in a case).
15:50 mircea_popescu yeah you and a 2nd that never actually got to go on a jury didn't get anything. i think mebbe it was jurov ?
15:50 mircea_popescu !up Elio20
15:51 mircea_popescu anyway, better off this way, had the democratic delusions failed to explode we'd just have been belabouring under falsepremises for this interval mostl likely, wouldn't have the lordship list and the supremely valuable understanding of what hierarchy means in society and why equalitarianism is the fruit of the devil jacking off and so on.
15:52 mircea_popescu or at least, i would have been.
15:52 * rithm goes to kill himself
15:58 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: well just don't get arrested over freedom of speech lol << speech isn't really a freedom at that point is it?
15:58 mircea_popescu quite.
15:59 mircea_popescu i wonder how many people noticed the subtle change from freedom of speech to an alleged "right" of free speech.
15:59 thestringpuller http://www.livingstondaily.com/story/news/local/community/brighton/2014/12/21/cursing-teen-mill-pond-ignites-debate-freedom-speech/20745957/ << this guy
15:59 mircea_popescu the difference between rights and freedoms being essentially the difference between pearl necklaces and dog collars.
15:59 mircea_popescu thestringpuller not bad.
16:00 mircea_popescu in any case : a freedom is something the people have, and the state can't take away. the rights are constructions that the state gives, and so the state can take away.
16:00 mircea_popescu trading a freedom for a right is always a bad deal.
16:01 mircea_popescu and it's what generally happens whenever a state claims to be "protecting rights". it's not protecting anything, it's stealing freedom and issuing in its place token "rights". which, much like its paper currency, are fiat worthlessness.
16:01 thestringpuller !up cornfeedhobo
16:06 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958919 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924338
16:06 assbot Logged on 22-12-2014 23:21:23; mike_c: <+Anduck> if you have nothing to contribute, you don't need to type anything here... k? << have you been in this channel before?
16:06 assbot Logged on 15-11-2014 21:25:49; mircea_popescu: yes.
16:10 mike_c it was more meant as a rebuttal to his comment. people who have nothing to contribute type in here often :) he was a glaring example.
16:11 mike_c btw kakobrekla, i was thinking possible an easy solution to the whole problem of "negrated person won't leave" might be another command. like !recheck Anduck. then if his l2 is no good assbot boots him.
16:11 mircea_popescu the link actually is to his previous bout of derping here
16:11 mike_c it has been an issue at least once before
16:12 mircea_popescu mike_c what's the delay currently, like 15 minutes ?
16:12 mike_c i believe it's infinite
16:12 mircea_popescu people still can /ignore for that short interval, what's teh big deal
16:12 mike_c until the person parts
16:12 thestringpuller mike_c: there will always be netsplits
16:12 mircea_popescu nah, !down works once l2 trust is <1
16:12 kakobrekla well, the delay is the duration of his connection, which isnt too bad considering this is freenode.
16:13 mike_c no, !down doesn't work once l2 trust is <1
16:13 mircea_popescu o.O
16:13 mircea_popescu what am i missing ?!
16:13 joecool who is L2 trust between, mp and user?
16:13 mike_c assbot and user
16:13 mircea_popescu ;;google assbot joecool
16:13 gribble Rating Details for User 'assbot' - Bitcoin OTC: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT>; PREV: 17-04-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2014>; NEXT: 14-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2014>
16:13 mircea_popescu i mean
16:13 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot joecool
16:13 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011
16:13 mircea_popescu !down joecool
16:13 mircea_popescu oh because l1 ?
16:13 joecool i guess
16:13 kakobrekla mno.
16:14 mike_c but regardless, it doesn't work. person has to part. this is why kako had to boot anduck manually.
16:14 mircea_popescu speak the word of god kako. why is it ?
16:14 cazalla austeritysucks: csgo items mostly <<< if ya ever come back, lemme know the site
16:14 kakobrekla if you up yourself, nobody can down you for the session.
16:14 kakobrekla the trust is checked on up only.
16:15 mircea_popescu would it be hard to check on !down too ?
16:15 mircea_popescu leaving a loophole there deliberately where someone with >1 l1 and 0 l2 can still voice themselves
16:16 mircea_popescu but can also be devoiced whenever
16:16 mircea_popescu then we can count how often this happens to de-l1 people.
16:17 kakobrekla no the 'problem' is that if gribble hops and you reup you will be able to down everyone who has not reupped or some shit like that
16:17 mircea_popescu is this a notable problem ?
16:17 joecool gribble nor fleanode are exactly reliable
16:18 mircea_popescu i mean, suppose you do that. so ? people can just reup outside of your control, all you achieve is piss off the wot list.
16:18 mircea_popescu which... why ?
16:18 mike_c yeah, that would likely only happen once.
16:19 kakobrekla ill see what i can do.
16:19 mircea_popescu i like when he says that.
16:20 mircea_popescu usually it ends up a little later with "here's the thing we were talking about, except i built it inside a submarine just in case. and here's some beer i brewed and by the way, do you know candi and brandi ? they're twins."
16:21 mircea_popescu bwahaha irrogant. bashed
16:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00063513 = 8.1297 BTC [-]
16:22 mircea_popescu alrighty, well, that was all for me today. hohoho an' merry xmas yo!
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16:50 cazalla !up austeritysucks
16:50 cazalla meh, not auth'd, if someone else can up him in meantime
16:55 danielpbarron !up bagels7
16:55 danielpbarron !up austeritysucks
16:55 cazalla austeritysucks, what's your csgo site?
17:00 austeritysucks cazalla, i handle transactions through a subreddit and csgolounge
17:00 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/224VP52.txt )
17:00 danielpbarron !b 2
17:01 cazalla do good volume? butterfly knives seem ideal means to go from fiat -> steam -> butterfly knife -> rmt -> bitcoin
17:01 cazalla then flip it to someone who wants the knife for bitcoin, making a small btc profit
17:02 austeritysucks eh its okay, hard to get people to reject paypal and go with btc
17:02 austeritysucks paypal is horrible for digital goods though so it's a natural fit, just hard to get the community to adopt it
17:02 cazalla yeah, get scammers offering to buy weapons using paypal all the time
17:03 cazalla bitcoin is such a good fit for this
17:03 austeritysucks im working on a btc/csgokey exchange
17:03 austeritysucks since keys are used as the fixed currency to trade
17:04 cazalla by cheaters and smurfs perhaps
17:04 austeritysucks hm?
17:04 austeritysucks its just that keys are used in the trade window, so they're the best "currency" to be used in trading higher value items
17:04 cazalla ah soz, i was thinking cd keys not key keys
17:04 austeritysucks to avoid 15% steamtax
17:05 cazalla i think maybe you will see more of bitcoin in that as time goes on
17:05 austeritysucks yea so my idea was instead of recreating the steam community market for bitcoin, just narrowing down to the keys would be simple to implement
17:06 austeritysucks so people could buy keys for below store price in BTC and safely cash out their inventory to real cash by selling items for keys and selling keys on exchange
17:07 cazalla dunno why uptake is so slow by gamers, i'd have killed for something like this back in everquest
17:09 austeritysucks yea a charge-back free payment system is natural, but you see the typical excuses from people who refuse to adapt
17:10 austeritysucks unfortunately credit cards all have chargeback, and until people can acquire bitcoins with creditcards at point of sale to remove the buyer from the "confusion" of the payment mechanism
17:10 austeritysucks then there is this learning curve that nobody wants to climb
17:11 cazalla give it time, it'll come i think
17:11 austeritysucks there needs to be a reverse-bitpay :P
17:11 austeritysucks but because of how credit cards work its really impossible to do it
17:11 austeritysucks which is exactly how the monopolists want it
17:13 cazalla i'm sure there are some kids who during bored summer holidays will figure out how to get bitcoin and buy/sell habbo items and shit like that
17:13 cazalla so credit card issue isn't really a big one or steam monopoly etc
17:14 austeritysucks no its the visa/mastercard monopoly
17:14 austeritysucks a btc exchange for csgo keys is definitely doable
17:14 austeritysucks but so many people will avoid using it because they can't acquire btc without bank transfer etc
17:14 cazalla i don't follow, how does that bother me if i already have bitcoin and i want to buy/sell butterfly knives?
17:14 punkman austeritysucks: https://www.payza.com/ this lets you receive CC payments and withdraw BTC, don't know anyone that uses them though
17:14 assbot Payza | Send Money, Receive Payment, Money Transfer, Shop & Sell Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1CxBX02 )
17:15 cazalla pretty easy to purchase small amount of btc now austeritysucks
17:15 austeritysucks cazalla, the majority of people prefer paypal over bitcoin in the community unfortuantely, so the big issue is getting people to adopt bitcoin, i was suggesting that an easy way to promote adoption is to get people to be removed from the btc payment mechanism and have a userfirendl front end that is like using CC, but behind the scenes iti s buying BTC, transferring BTC (and maybe even
17:15 austeritysucks BTC->fiat again for the seller)
17:15 punkman yeah Circle works in a lot of countries
17:16 austeritysucks cazalla, not with the way most people make such payments (cc)
17:16 austeritysucks the minute there is any place that allows for simple cc buy of btc you will have lots of stolen cc's using the service to get btc
17:16 punkman Circle is that place
17:17 cazalla but that is not the buyer's problem
17:17 cazalla i don't really give two shits if circle gets carded to death, i can buy with my own cc in the meantime
17:18 austeritysucks punkman, is it a secret place? i google circle btc and get nothing
17:18 austeritysucks oh nevermind i typo'd sorry
17:18 punkman they are kinda retarded
17:18 punkman https://www.circle.com/en
17:18 assbot Circle Internet Financial | Bitcoin Wallet, Bitcoin Payments, Bitcoin Insurance ... ( http://bit.ly/1CxCIXc )
17:19 punkman sends me 3 SMS every time I login/buy/withdraw
17:19 punkman l33t security
17:19 austeritysucks hm
17:19 austeritysucks well ill look into it
17:20 austeritysucks but for now i want to get the steam bot C# code working and then the front-end listings/btc purchase php stuff
17:21 austeritysucks because i think if at least the key:btc exchange works with 1 steam bot then it will be easy to expand nad once expanded people will adopt BTC for the purpose of being able to cahs out to real money so drama-free
17:21 cazalla maybe think a little further down the road and think of people wanting to cash out items to bitcoin instead of cash
17:22 cazalla because that's is where that market will move anyway
17:22 austeritysucks but i try my best to encourage people, set them up a hotwallet, shoot them $1 in btc or something ,and get their lips wet
17:22 austeritysucks cazalla, yes that is what the focus is
17:22 austeritysucks cazalla, and theres already many options for ppl to go btc to cash, that's not my concern.
17:22 austeritysucks my concern was people going cash to BTC
17:22 austeritysucks to use the exchange at all
17:23 cazalla well, as punkman said, circle.. refer your customers there to get btc instead of paypal
17:23 punkman this is pretty cool http://mattmahoney.net/dc/zpaq.html
17:23 assbot ZPAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1CxDZxh )
17:24 punkman I'm thinking zpaq > gpg > rsync
17:26 danielpbarron !up austeritysucks
17:27 austeritysucks "At this time, bank accounts and credit cards from your country cannot be linked to Circle. Our apologies for the inconvenience. " :(
17:28 austeritysucks coinbase however works in my country
17:28 cazalla works here in australia too austeritysucks although a lot of people report otherwise
17:28 austeritysucks cazalla, but yea i dont want to get horse in front of carriage i need to make this exchange system working better before i worry about expanding customers right
17:29 austeritysucks cazalla, i've been using it to eliminate volatility in receiving btc payments
17:29 cazalla i have things to do, nice talking austeritysucks
17:29 austeritysucks so it has worked fine for me but i have yet to withdraw so i can't fully vouch
17:29 austeritysucks ok have a good one cazalla you too
17:33 kakobrekla punkman the less dependencies the better. (also saw this in bbet cli :)
17:39 punkman this zpaq thing could almost fit in head
17:48 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2014#955217 < previously mentioned, is turd
17:48 assbot Logged on 17-12-2014 02:31:07; punkman: backup with deduplication and gpg encryption http://obnam.org
17:48 kakobrekla space is cheap anyway
17:48 punkman https://attic-backup.org/ was also a contender, but I don't trust it
17:48 assbot Welcome to Attic — Attic - Deduplicating Archiver 0.14 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/13C7wXA )
17:48 punkman space yes, bandwidth no
17:49 kakobrekla eh?
17:49 punkman I usually have around 2mbit upload
17:49 kakobrekla backup to two different offsite servers
17:49 punkman can't backup big stuff offsite
17:51 kakobrekla wait you want to backup your local stuff to some internet server ?
17:53 punkman well yeah, not unencrypted
17:53 kakobrekla why not locally?
17:54 punkman why not both?
17:54 kakobrekla because you have 2mbit upload.
17:55 kakobrekla i also dont do it. cause if have half of your upload and a few tb of stuff.
17:55 punkman yeah but with deduplication/incrementals it's gonna work
17:56 punkman you can ship TB drives to datacenter, then do incrementals
17:56 kakobrekla well, you can also bounce it off the moon on the way to dc.
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18:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15957 @ 0.00066373 = 10.5911 BTC [+] {2}
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18:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1038 @ 0.00120342 = 1.2491 BTC [-] {14}
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19:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00066712 = 8.3056 BTC [+]
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19:53 thestringpuller cazalla: other qntra peeps BingoBoingo >> http://www.reddit.com/r/millionairemakers/comments/2q36z6/reddit_lets_make_a_millionaire/
20:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5081 @ 0.00066712 = 3.3896 BTC [+]
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20:39 asciilifeform cazalla: seems like just the kind of organized begging that site is famous for, no ?
20:39 asciilifeform cazalla: or is this one turd somehow different
20:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00066712 = 1.1341 BTC [+]
20:41 BingoBoingo Looks like the usual begging
20:41 cazalla unless they give it to me, it's not going on qntra
20:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1709 @ 0.00120004 = 2.0509 BTC [-] {6}
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21:01 TomServo !up paxtoncamaro91
21:01 TomServo !up paxtoncamaro91
21:03 cazalla looks like bitbet got a mention http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-predictions-2014-pundits-fared/
21:03 assbot Bitcoin Predictions for 2014: How the Pundits Fared ... ( http://bit.ly/1sWalcE )
21:09 BingoBoingo !up SuperEddy
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21:25 decimation kakobrekla: bounce off the moon << yeah, radio hams do this, but the antenna farm required to make it work is quite large
21:27 decimation reddit is kinda like a lesswrong for retards
21:31 decimation http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/citizenfour-producers-sued-edward-snowden-759839 << lol guy sues the snowden film producers on the theory that snowden 'stole' the property of the us taxpayer
21:31 assbot 'Citizenfour' Producers Sued Over Edward Snowden Leaks (Exclusive) - The Hollywood Reporter ... ( http://bit.ly/1sWfJfV )
21:35 BingoBoingo lol, I thought about newsing that up but... Does every rural person who files a lawsuit deserve their own story then?
21:36 SuperEddy JESUS CAUSED 9 11
21:36 asciilifeform if he wins.
21:36 SuperEddy its not just calvinism but the bible says it
21:36 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure. Winning is news. Filing is What $20-$250 at the county courthouse?
21:37 SuperEddy JESUS CAUSED 9 11 : AMOS 3:6
21:37 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: he has a good chance. just needs a few sympathetic apparatchik judges.
21:37 SuperEddy NOW IS THE TIME TO REPENT AND HAVE MERCY IF YOU COULD ARRIVE IN GODS PRESENCE WITHOUT THE BLOOD COVERING YOU HE WOULD LITERRALLY ANITLAITE YOU, YOU WOULD SCREAM FOR HELL
21:38 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure. Then it becomes news along with the parties to the case.
21:38 SuperEddy BingoBoingo, YO REPENT
21:38 danielpbarron SuperEddy, you believe the entire Bible?
21:38 asciilifeform JESUS ALSO CAUSED 13 15
21:38 BingoBoingo SuperEddy: Repent what? I am my own God and already forgiven all of my transgressions.
21:45 BingoBoingo Only a few hours until Krampus day arrives here.
21:52 decimation BingoBoingo: the lawsuit is actually amusing, because it divides usg against itself
21:53 decimation if usg supports the suit to annoy snowden, they tacitly admit that they are stewards of the taxpayer's property, and open themselves up to claims against malfeasance
21:54 BingoBoingo decimation: If you can find an angle that makes the mere filing of a lawsuit interesting write it up for qntra and claim some shares. Otherwise I'm going to keep digging for more skidmarks on Preet's undies.
21:55 asciilifeform http://villageundertaker.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/att000022.jpg << 'usg divided against itself'
21:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1x2iJwp )
21:55 decimation BingoBoingo: it's a fair point
21:55 asciilifeform annoy snowden << annoys sony.
21:55 decimation asciilifeform: actually that's not a very accurate picture
21:56 decimation usg's 'hand' is a corpse at best
21:56 asciilifeform and the whole greenwald/poitras/etc shitgnome gang
21:56 asciilifeform aka the snowden censors.
21:56 BingoBoingo decimation: I mean if you do produce something with your angle doesn't have to be a long piece. Just give it some bite.
21:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00063214 = 18.1424 BTC [-] {4}
21:57 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: For all I know Snowden was a plant for the purpose of stalling and disappearing aspiring "second" leaker
21:57 decimation asciilifeform: microsoft produces shitware -> sony uses shitware -> 'best' korea abuses shitware -> usg gains 'writ' to more tax dollars
21:57 asciilifeform 'best' korea << not even a necessary hypothesis
21:58 asciilifeform in fact, discountable on account of mere mention by usg.
21:58 decimation eh, I guess I'm not that cynical. I believe that any scrap of evidence that can be used to stir shit up will be used by usg to sell an agenda
21:58 BingoBoingo Whatever truth there might have been to who attacked sony is gone. Too late now.
21:59 asciilifeform decimation: only if it sells the right agenda.
21:59 decimation BingoBoingo: well, certainly we (the public) will not see the evidence
21:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: let's say you want some idiot dead. you bring him a loaded pistol, and say 'here. please put in mouth, here's the trigger.' he does.
21:59 asciilifeform is this 'an attack' ?
21:59 BingoBoingo Stirring shit up with North Korea is a natural move for the United States, because it distracts from the United States surrendering to Cuba to end that battle of the cold war.
22:00 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It can be.
22:00 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: it seems privatized groups are better at disappearing acts than the USG's agency.
22:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: reading from only the official material, that is precisely the kind of 'attack' involved.
22:00 thestringpuller I'm pretty sure there is some privatize black site that is superior to USG version.
22:00 asciilifeform 'attacker' (via spammail or telephone) - 'can plz has password' sony clerk: 'aye, here'
22:00 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In that case there hasn't ever been an "attack" in the history of the internet
22:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: occasionally actual exploit exists
22:01 decimation asciilifeform: I agree with your hypothesis in that I think USG genuinely guides the computer industry into insecurity
22:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But how often can actual exploit be truly distinguished from McDonalds exploit fed to the consuminator?
22:02 decimation imagine if the billions poured into 'cybersecurity' were spent on constructing an actual secure terminal from first principles
22:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: actual exploit in the sense that no cooperation is needed from the luser
22:02 decimation that's the midget that the usg has squashed by sitting on the computer industry stool
22:03 decimation the fbi claims it was an email attachment that dropped some scanners that guess passwords to smb shares
22:03 asciilifeform decimation: this is about as thinkable to present-day academics - and turdware industrialist peddlers alike - as galois theory was to the romans
22:03 BingoBoingo Aha. Luser must still cooperate with usine computer!
22:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: notice how the term 'trojan' has mostly faded from Official claptrap re: 'seekoority'
22:04 decimation asciilifeform: alpha + x modulo II^CCLVI
22:04 asciilifeform because virtually all extant crapware falls in 'trojan' category.
22:05 decimation asciilifeform: I think it's the case that there is (or was) some meta-usg lab that could conceive and develop secure terminal - perhaps already has
22:06 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I thought "trojan" was falling out of fashion because fashion is now to go cloud where it is given that Eve already has root.
22:06 asciilifeform decimation: with own parallel universe, where neither 'microshit office' nor 'bash' nor 'openssl', nor any of the constituent parts, are in use ?
22:06 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Teletype (paper) display, commodore 64
22:07 asciilifeform decimation: usg did have a few 'parallel universes' of computing. there is, afaik, still a lab or two that use symbolics boxes, for example
22:07 asciilifeform decimation: but my sources believe they're under continuous bureaucratic siege to go 'standards compliant'
22:08 decimation asciilifeform: it's possible that at least someone inside usg who was charged with developing secure computing actually got somewhere
22:08 asciilifeform we're speaking of 'secure computing' as if it were an actual technology, like +ev fusion or whatnot
22:08 asciilifeform whereas it mainly consists of not-doing-things
22:08 asciilifeform !s lisp brick
22:08 assbot 6 results for 'lisp brick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lisp+brick
22:08 asciilifeform !s antifeature
22:08 assbot 1 results for 'antifeature' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=antifeature
22:09 asciilifeform the principal thing-not-to-do is complexity that prevents fits-in-head
22:09 asciilifeform anything that does not conform to this principle, i argue is ipso facto not secure for any reasonable definition of the word.
22:09 decimation asciilifeform: agreed. this kind of thing: http://www.gdc4s.com/sectera-edge-(sme-ped)-proddetail.html
22:09 assbot Sectéra® Edge™ (SME PED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlRfxj )
22:10 decimation except that's probably the retard version
22:10 asciilifeform the original obamaphone!
22:10 mod6 ;;tslb
22:10 gribble Time since last block: 53 minutes and 57 seconds
22:10 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
22:10 decimation asciilifeform: and of course, obama rejected it out of hand
22:10 gribble Current Blocks: 335622 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 1049 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 21 hours, 37 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 38389877348.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.70618
22:10 decimation because it contained too many 'antifeatures'
22:11 BingoBoingo I have to confess the new blackberry classic does tempt... But for extra antifeatures over flip phone is unappealing.
22:13 decimation http://thehackernews.com/2014/08/hillary-clintons-phone-hacked-by-german_16.html
22:13 assbot Hillary Clinton's Phone Intercepted by German intelligence Agency - Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlS4WX )
22:14 BingoBoingo decimation: Nothing wrong with Nation State actors working to keep tabs on Nation State actors.
22:14 joecool i like my Z10 tbh, only thing i'd improve is better battery life, i'm a bit concerned by some of the new "features" coming down in 10.3.x releases
22:14 decimation one gets the picture that usg 'leaders' think of themselves as being above such trivialities as secure communications
22:15 BingoBoingo joecool: When BBOS 7 seemed doomed I just went flipphone
22:16 joecool oh see i hated BBOS7, i came from the harmattan/maemo background prior
22:16 joecool tried a couple crapdroid landmines, universally disappointed
22:17 BingoBoingo joecool: Ah, before I did BBOS 7 I was on Symbian whatever and then Android.
22:17 joecool the whole style of UX on BB10 is very similar to the nokia n9's harmattan
22:17 joecool otherwise i never would have considered blackberry, it's a shame they have a worthless marketing division
22:18 decimation there there is this episode: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
22:18 assbot BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlSXif )
22:21 decimation http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/07/ukraine-phonecall-idUSL2N0LC1E120140207 " Mark Weatherford, a former deputy under secretary for cybersecurity with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, said that some senior government officials were issued mobile handsets that are capable of encrypting conversations but typically do not use them "It is expensive. They are different phones. They are cumbersome," said Weatherford, now a
22:21 assbot Leaked call on Ukraine made on unencrypted cellphones -U.S. officials| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlTmBs )
22:21 decimation principal with the Chertoff Group, a Washington-based consulting firm led by former senior U.S. security and intelligence officials."
22:21 decimation "GPG is too hard, no one will use it"
22:24 BingoBoingo joecool: I don't have problems with big UX changes. I care more about what is happening and why. Unsolder the microphone and camera in old blackberry, works as a pager like god intended. Unsolder camera and microphone in shitty LG android phone doesn't work as pager or play angry birds!
22:28 asciilifeform decimation: usg 'leaders' think of themselves as being above such trivialities as secure communications << of what concern is what a muppet says to another muppet ?
22:29 BingoBoingo Microphoneless smart Pnohe is the way to Pnohe, because BB pager recieves calls, records a message. To return calls you battery up a flip phone.
22:29 asciilifeform ukraine << so what. did even a single usg minion die from the intercepted phone ?
22:29 decimation the original blackberry actually took over an older 'pager-like' frequency allocation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DataTAC
22:29 assbot DataTAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlUODH )
22:30 asciilifeform all that resulted was a leak, of facts which anglo media will never print - so it's almost as good, from their point of view, as 'never happened'
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22:30 decimation asciilifeform: My point is that no one in the entire us media 'noticed' that the intercept (which was supposedly sophisticated) came from usg 'leaders' talking on unsecure lines
22:30 decimation one wonders how many billions were spent to deploy the secure facilities that they fail to use
22:30 asciilifeform because they (correctly!) believed that it simply does not matter.
22:31 asciilifeform the secure facilities (actual ones, vs. ordinary 'favourite son' golden toilet contracts) are used. by the folks who matter.
22:31 decimation as in, faceless meta-bureaucrats?
22:32 decimation http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/february/09/victoria-nulands-ukraine-gate-deceptions/ << ron paul picked up the angle
22:32 assbot The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Victoria Nuland's 'Ukraine-gate' Deceptions ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlV85s )
22:32 asciilifeform wake me up when a 'minuteman' is pwned and sent off on an unsanctioned joyride.
22:32 decimation asciilifeform: ah good point. you are saying the entire state dept. doesn't matter
22:32 * BingoBoingo wonders if soon after releasing Cardano, S.NSA will release a Maldardano sample tampered Cardano for people to practice searching for turditions on.
22:33 decimation actually usg would be much better off if it simply disbanded the department of state
22:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: fan of 'song of maldoror' ?
22:33 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Never heard it.
22:33 asciilifeform shame.
22:33 asciilifeform !s maldoror
22:33 assbot 0 results for 'maldoror' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=maldoror
22:33 BingoBoingo I guess I'll have to dearch nao
22:34 asciilifeform not essential.
22:36 asciilifeform decimation: department of state << try this gedankenexperiment. what could they possibly leak, that would have a measurable effect - with or without the cooperation of the state-controlled media
22:37 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Effective leak would be that reptillians exist and are in panic because of impending Avian threat.
22:37 decimation actually mr. assange already performed this experiment
22:37 asciilifeform lol, 'effective' ?
22:38 decimation the result was largely: bureaucrats who appear to be idiots in public also are in fact idiots in private
22:38 decimation http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/december/20/cold-war-spy-games-show-the-moral-bankruptcy-of-the-us-national-security-state/
22:38 assbot The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Cold War Spy Games Show the Moral Bankruptcy of the US National Security State ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJY9SR )
22:39 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, in the same way plot from "Watchmen" would be effective.
22:39 decimation asciilifeform: wrt the state department, anything important being discussed with us 'trade partners' is discussed by private parties conducting the trade
22:47 BingoBoingo It's interesting how in the US the title Secretary of State can alternately refer to the chief cocksucker at the Federal level and at the state level the chief Notarizing authority.
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