#trilema | 2014-08-26

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No data returned from CoinMiner.net

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[PityThePool Hashrate]: 586.41 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.48 TH/s

01:12

;;ticker

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Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 505.3, Best ask: 506.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.07000, Last trade: 505.26, 24 hour volume: 5294.87896913, 24 hour low: 496.79, 24 hour high: 506.98, 24 hour vwap: 502.965397866

01:16

wow thats a powerful trilema

01:23

I've come up with another theory... What if the government just wants to drive me crazier

01:23

sure you wouldn't be the first one

01:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00069266 = 8.3466 BTC [+]

01:28

BingoBoingo: you gotta get out of the states, man.

01:32

If I hurry out not I'd probably find myself zipping into a duffel bag before taking a shower or something. Gotta let boredom encompass first.

01:33

You have to realize the most recent blog post was the most rational of possible self defense measures.

01:35

Any impression I might be intentionally hiding the connection between myself and my slave name specifically from law enforcement is gone.

01:36

lol slave name u so dramatic

01:38

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BingoBoingo may have read too much W.E.B. Dubois in grad school

01:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8843 @ 0.00069315 = 6.1295 BTC [+] {3}

01:52

Bet created: "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/

01:53

;;estimate

01:53

Next difficulty estimate | 25737909372.3 based on data since last change | 24383282753.5 based on data for last three days

01:54

;;bc,stats

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01:59

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00082077 = 0.8208 BTC [+] {4}

02:03

seems like noone has set the statkes

02:06

!up stripykitteh

02:06

Hello stripykitteh

02:07

Hello BingoBoingo

02:07

What brings you around these parts?

02:08

I'm a small-time btc investor. I know (by reputation mostly) some of the regulars here. I was just wanting to see if one of them is active at the moment.

02:09

ThickAsThieves

02:09

Ah

02:09

It's OK, I'm not chasing him for money!

02:10

Just trying to touch base, but it's not urgent.

02:17

;;seen ThickAsThieves

02:17

ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> distracted

02:18

Thanks

02:19

Might drop in later.

02:22

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 901 @ 0.00357458 = 3.2207 BTC [-] {8}

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02:53

Just got the email in "[Slashdot] Your Slashdot submission is on the front page! Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers"

02:53

If anyone wants to ride the impending wave of traffic

02:57

Not sure how I like the editor retitling me to an "early Bitcoin user"

02:57

makes you sound seasoned, imo

02:58

But maybe next year the cutt off for an early user is exposure before $100

02:59

im not seeing it front page for the moment

02:59

It's coming

02:59

it's not a general thing like you think

02:59

it's like age

02:59

Still "red" http://slashdot.org/story/14/08/26/0131200/early-bitcoin-user-interviewed-by-federal-officers

02:59

Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers - Slashdot

02:59

it's subjective, and relative to the age distribution in our environment

03:00

and bitcoin age is like reverse exponential. even a few months of exposure at the very beginning set you light years ahead of people like myself

03:02

Well, a lot of it too is the pain of not holding onto the things early enough

03:08

I'm going to take a walk up to the gas station and see if the conversation there turns out any better than reddit

03:11

reddit is a joke upon itself

03:15

;;later tell bingoboingo http://soylentnews.org

03:15

SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people

03:15

The operation succeeded.

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03:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62131 @ 0.00069135 = 42.9543 BTC [-] {3}

~ 16 minutes ~

04:05

thats the most interesting thing ive read for a while

04:08

BingoBoingo what eventful day?

04:08

I have trouble keeping up

04:09

pankkake: Oh, the FBI, treasury department. In my front yard.

04:10

;;later tell ben_vulpes What about soylent news?

04:10

The operation succeeded.

04:12

supposed slashdot competitor, comments aren't very good either

04:12

Ah

04:16

what did they look like? siezing coins is easy or oh fuck it's not ross?

04:19

Eh, they looked like two dudes in polo shirts dressed for golf

04:19

I knew it. I never trusted guys in polo shirts

04:20

So about 300 hits from the /. in the first hour according to Wordpress

04:21

niki minaj eat your heart out

04:21

can't the guy send you a letter instead of showing up unnatended?

04:21

that's just impolite

04:22

pankkake: Well it was two guys. An FBI agent and a department of the Treasury agent

04:23

But yes, a letter or GPG signed email would be prefered

04:24

that wouldn't have scared you into behaving in court

04:30

Well http://van-ads.com/venues shows only 0.01666 bid so far for advertising on the site today, and most of Murica is still asleep so... If anyone wants to hit that market...

04:30

Vulpes Ad Network

04:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29973 @ 0.00069051 = 20.6967 BTC [-]

04:32

https://github.com/LaurentMT/bargaining_protocol

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6877 @ 0.0006902 = 4.7465 BTC [-]

04:32

RagnarDanneskjol

04:32

LaurentMT/bargaining_protocol GitHub

04:34

RagnarDanneskjol

kinda neat - from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754755.0

04:34

[PoC][Draft] The Bargaining Protocol (when BIP70 met the Bazaar)

04:41

Bet placed: 3.08800157 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ Odds: 99(Y):1(N) by coin, 99(Y):1(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.18800157 BTC. Current weight: 99,905.

04:42

lol, what's the point of this bet

04:46

its a bet that bitfury wont get handed another $20 million by nye

04:46

40?

04:47

;;google 45dd silicone

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04:51

weirder shit happens

04:56

mr avalon himslef is back hashing at ozcoin,theres hashes coming verywheres

04:59

that haz my karma index up

05:01

;;seen truffles

05:01

truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <truffles> tell me when the experiment is over

05:13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMQksXpQSk perhaps graet might open a pipe to iceland

05:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00068988 = 31.631 BTC [-] {2}

05:18

sure as shit the guy has some capital losses

05:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6j4f8cHBIM white on white

05:44

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/08/the_problems_wi_4.html lol schneier calls it a "good post"

05:44

Schneier on Security: The Problems with PGP

05:46

http://www.bortzmeyer.org/securite-facilite.html good article if you can read this glorious language

05:46

Blog Stphane Bortzmeyer: Scurit, facilit d'usage, et les utilisateurs non-informaticiens

05:48

what does it say?

05:50

some of my pet peeves, that the issue with security and encryption won't be solved by magical dumbed down GUIs

05:51

no, the french one

05:54

yes, that one

05:54

oh

05:57

namaste

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%p

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No data returned from CoinMiner.net

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[PityThePool Hashrate]: 852.12 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.15 TH/s

06:08

hm.

06:09

ben_vulpes: lol slave name u so dramatic << made me lol too.

06:10

methinks he is trying to appear crazier than i!

06:10

that was bingo

06:10

Vexual yeah sorry vex, he's got you beat.

06:10

really?

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i dont know

06:11

stripykitteh: I'm a small-time btc investor. I know (by reputation mostly) some of the regulars here. I was just wanting to see if one of them is active at the moment. <<< with a name like that, you know what i thought she wants. but then, imagine my surprise when a twist appears!

06:11

im a bit behind

06:11

Vexual "you're not a little behind to us ; you're a large one" :D

06:11

urd urd

06:12

yes yes

06:12

BingoBoingo: Just got the email in "[Slashdot] Your Slashdot submission is on the front page! Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers" <<< if you had a podcast and made slashdot fp two times less, you'd practically be antonopopo guy.

06:12

but no, you had to go and ruin it.

06:14

pankkake: I knew it. I never trusted guys in polo shirts << i never trust women wearing panties.

06:17

pankkake re the article, which is not bad if banal (sure, ease of use is completely orthogonal to the discussion , big whoop) the one question in my mind is why write in french if all the sources one quotes are in english.

06:18

he wrote some articles in English, I don't think they had much following. I suppose it's because of the existing (significant) readership

06:20

ic.

06:20

but then... he shoul;d prolly translate the references ?

06:20

how are these people going to understand wtf is the context if they cant read english.

06:21

(don't mind me, it's like a point i've been doing a lot of thinking on so i guess oversensitized)

06:21

it's more of a silly prideful refusal to read things in English. but since they started reading the main article, they might read the links

06:21

or lazyness I don't know

06:21

hm.

06:22

BingoBoingo lol at the b-a haters making throwaway reddit accts to shit on your post. THIS IS HOW TO WIN!

06:25

There once was a bishop from Birmingham who deflowered young girls while confirming 'em. As they knelt on the hassock he lifted his cassock and slipped his episcopal worm in 'em.

06:25

gasp

06:26

There once was a clergyman's daughter who detested the pony he bought her 'till she found that its dong was as hard and as long as the prayers her father had taught her.

06:27

oh no u didn

06:28

regailing his life to his offsping

06:28

a deadman was making an offering

06:28

These scions of the Noble House Kelley lived their whole life belly to belly because in their haste they used library paste instead of petroleum jelly.

06:29

bwahahaha

06:29

he got haldway through

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stepped in some poo

06:31

There once was a Duchess of Bruges whose cunt was unspeakably huge. Said the duke to this dame as he thunderously came: "Mon Dieu! Apres moi, le deluge!"

06:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19740 @ 0.00069193 = 13.6587 BTC [+] {2}

06:33

There once was a fencer named Fisk whose speed was incredibly brisk. So fast was his action the Fitzgerald contraction foreshortened his foil to a disk.

06:34

*

mircea_popescu waves at logreader peoples.

06:34

*

Vexual waves his log for no reson whatsohaveyou

06:34

ejrtr do you find these gems?

06:35

and what rhymes with offering?

06:36

smattering

06:36

he said nah tin lids, im just jesting

06:36

There once was a gangster named Brown, the sneakiest bastard in town.He was caught by G-men shooting his semen where the cops would slip and fall down. << should be on bingoboingo's prison cell.

06:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7810 @ 0.00069425 = 5.4221 BTC [+]

06:39

laser scanner, 3d printer, latex: $2500

06:39

passing bad check with the cop who hasseled you face: pricless

06:40

There once was a girl named Irene who snarfed up distilled kerosene, but she found a good bargain on a new hydrocarbon and since then she's never benzene.

06:41

zingaling

06:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00069127 = 3.1107 BTC [-]

06:45

while patiently waiting to travel

06:45

an asset'er dint unravel

06:45

There once was a girl named Louise whose cunt hair hung down to her knees. The crabs in her twat tied the hairs in a knot an' reached fame on the flying trapeze.

06:47

and so shall my blog

06:47

tell of you knobs

06:47

There once was a girl named Mcgoffin who was diddled amazingly often. She was diddled by scores who'd been turned down by whores and then laid out to waste in her coffin.

06:47

AMAZING COMPANY!

06:49

polo maleets repla-ced by gavels

06:50

There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla.

↖

06:50

s/of/for

06:56

There was once a lawyer named Rex known for his diminutive sex. On arraign for exposure he maintained his composure : "De minimis non curat lex."

06:56

here have a weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQZGPnn5b5E

06:58

There once was a man from Nantucket who kept all his cash in a bucket. His daughter called Nan ran away with a man and as for the bucket... Nantucket.

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thats a goodun

07:03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgm6EYzwxpg

07:03

There was once a miner named Dave who kept a dead whore in his cave. She was ugly as shit and missing one tit, but think of the money he saves!

07:06

There once was a sad Maitre d'Hotel who said, "They can all go to hell! What they do to my wife...why, it ruins my life! And the worst is they all do it well."

07:07

There once was a son of a bitch, neither clever, nor handsome, nor rich. Yet the girls he would dazzle and fuck to a frazzle, and then ditch them, the son of a bitch!

07:15

hi nubbules

07:16

jow many cougars did you ruin today?

07:20

hiw much to shit to rural oz from rural canadia?

07:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00068854 = 10.6035 BTC [-] {2}

07:24

!up mius

07:25

panic

07:26

one foot on the grounded ery time

07:28

a cuntess describ-ed by vitrue

07:29

whose diamonds wheres purplish and blue

07:30

went to the wrong house

07:30

the poor little mouse

07:34

but exploded and took with her a few

07:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3752 @ 0.000688 = 2.5814 BTC [-] {2}

07:40

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00075001 = 0.75 BTC [+] {3}

07:41

not sure if i have enuff dev coin to cover all this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbWSExg47Y

07:47

dtones no longer safe on earth, war is coming

07:52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FE194VN6c4

07:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16398 @ 0.0006872 = 11.2687 BTC [-]

08:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiAQ9xQQHeQ dont fuck with the government

~ 19 minutes ~

08:19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgwhXDZDGRw all ladies shaved

08:25

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 805 @ 0.0008225 = 0.6621 BTC [+]

08:25

Βεξουαλ

08:26

o wrong language

08:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qk2XIlHbeM

08:29

lol it's not vexoual

08:30

it's prolly Βεξyαλ

08:31

we only got capital Y

08:31

it'd be βεξθαλ actually

08:31

there's no teetha in blowjob.

08:33

punkman what do you mean "we" anyway ? you're not greek are you ?

08:33

kinda yeah

08:33

ahahh

08:34

well that changes things, i was derping with the squiggly letters in like articles and whatnot on the general understanding that nobody knows wtf they are.

08:34

ima have to get a different obscure alphabet now.

08:34

lots of them in the unicodes

08:35

ima start quioting raw, unadorned oriya

08:37

please do

08:39

girl just sent me this retarded thing: http://www.inderwear.com/73-lingerie-string/4087-string-lateral-flash-rouge-alter.html

08:39

String Latéral Flash Rouge Alter

08:40

the eyeshave it

08:40

ନମସ୍ତେ << namaste.

08:40

punkman you know what ? that's quite greek

08:40

is that oriya? irc client don't have enough font for it

08:41

may be the oldest cut in history.

08:41

mine doeth but i can read it

08:41

punkman yeah it is

08:41

*'t

08:42

don't think this cut works for underwear

08:42

dont need it in the pradesh

08:43

punkman i mean literally, athletes 3500 years ago wore the exact garment.

08:43

orly?

08:43

pretty sure ya

08:43

well there were a number of cock dispositions, mostly consisting on tying it to one side somehow

08:45

id wear trousers

08:45

trousers weren't invented yet.

08:45

actually skirts were not really invented either. it was either this or wear a sheet.

08:46

punkman http://www.inderwear.com/73-lingerie-string/12571-string-lateral-flash-argent-alter.html << much better example. total cuckoldwear.

08:46

String Latéral Flash Argent Alter

08:46

sheet then, but im thinking of today, not 3000 yago

08:47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58RSC7HO9aU

08:48

mircea_popescu: they did a lot of sport in the nude afaik

08:48

well yes, but you still gotta do something with the dangly.

08:49

let it dangle

08:49

tie a string to it

08:49

http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/under-15-difficulty-increase-before-2015/ << anyone comprehend wtf the markov chains are on about ?

08:49

BitBet - Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015 :: 3.15 B (99%) on Yes, 0.04 B (1%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 days | weight: 99`765 (100`000 to 1)

08:49

mining?

08:55

its a thing

09:01

moriarty fuck you arsehat

09:02

ill spoon feed you kaka

09:03

and take your wife

09:03

Apocalyptic

Vexual, is he still spamming his channel in pm ?

09:03

no, that was for the other day

09:04

whos that

09:04

sych affect

09:05

Apocalyptic

some random troll

09:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2VR9YJDQ5Q

09:05

Omar Faruk Tekbilek - Whirling Dervish - YouTube

09:16

incite is okay

09:16

what follows cannot be forgiven

09:17

i will eat his marrow

09:17

my dogs will

09:19

;;google alibaba mean tenderiser injectavle

09:19

No matches found.

09:22

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-forces-cross-border-in-tanks-armored-vehicles/2014/08/25/8cb7d1d4-2c3f-11e4-994d-202962a9150c_story.html

09:22

Ukraine says Russian forces cross border in tanks, armored vehicles - The Washington Post

09:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32151 @ 0.00069085 = 22.2115 BTC [+] {2}

09:23

chetty unless they start crossing in frigates and submarines, they've crossed it in everything by now.

09:24

someone should write an obit for the ukraine

09:25

may be too soon.

09:25

this is only the... hm. 5th time it's divvied up by greedy neighbours ?

09:25

wait till south china sea blows up

09:27

rocks with fish can cause wars

09:28

http://trilema.com/2011/platforma-unui-posibil-partid-conservator-roman/#comment-106644 << best spam ever.

09:28

Platforma unui posibil partid conservator roman pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:29

guy put his message through gt, ended up rendering Hello I am David Chambers as Hello I am David Rooms.

09:34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRxYNTH-5Go

09:35

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2879 = 0.5758 BTC [-]

09:38

!up yhwh_

09:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCsyKspLQpQ nigger fuck yor couch

09:40

i mean that in the nicest way

09:40

!up antonosika

09:41

konistakia

09:42

mircea, I have been too busy to follow the updates on ethereum, but I feel like finishing what I started. How do you feel about a 2015 delivery contract?

09:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8349 @ 0.00069281 = 5.7843 BTC [+]

09:43

alright.

09:44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHCdS7O248g

09:44

blondie. rapture.

09:47

I see I missed stripeykitteh

09:47

shes not chasing you for moeny

09:47

http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/26/suntrust-bank-chokes-3-legal-enterprises-government-behest/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

09:47

This Bank Choked Off 3 Legal Enterprises. Is It Yours?

09:48

mircea_popescu do you think it's worth legally pursuing kate-craig over these BTCTC bonds she's not honored?

09:48

thats the shittiest bank ive ever heard of

09:48

worth it*

09:48

you'd need a third kinda lawyer

09:49

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv93erCIYAAZhuj.png:large

09:49

well suntrust is southerners i think, they hate everything that happened after the 80s

09:49

kakobrekla lol where's it from? SAP?

09:49

like trannies?

09:49

lol dunno

09:50

Mircea is it officially best to have all communication here in the chat for transparency?

09:50

he seems to prefer that

09:50

you what yo ulike antonia

09:50

As you might have noticed my abilities on keeping up with irc are very lacking.

09:51

ima dcc u somepin

09:52

ooh u liek that?

09:54

all i see is red http://exchangewar.info/

09:54

Exchange war: list of crypto-exchanges

09:54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs

09:55

cool shit tat

09:55

never seen that

09:56

ok coin changed 130000 bc for old money in the last 24 hours?

09:57

cex has only 500btc volume eh

09:57

yeah peole are well aware they might make off with te coin

09:58

all kinds of lies

09:58

yeah china bots it up hard

09:59

but their order books arent any thicker than others

10:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmcA9LIIXWw bad bullshit is bad bullshit, punishable by death

10:04

im not isis, im just being realistic

10:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ld-3nZUxA

10:06

<ThickAsThieves> mircea_popescu do you think it's worth legally pursuing kate-craig over these BTCTC bonds she's not honored? <<< generally getting judgements against deadbeats is not productive.

10:06

so depends what your definition of "worth" is.

10:07

chetty what's "legal" mean ? it's a police state, if the govt don't like you you're illegal, full stop.

10:07

antonosika yes.

10:08

mircea how do we proceed?

10:09

<kakobrekla> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv93erCIYAAZhuj.png:large << is this "preparing a new generation of bright young coders to take advantage of the opportunities offered by quantum computing" ?

10:09

antonosika how much were you buying again ?

10:09

lol

10:10

3.0

10:10

BTC

10:11

silenceisdefeat.com ? holy shit, bangalore marketplaces must have won.

10:11

;;ticker

10:11

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 510.0, Best ask: 510.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 510.01, 24 hour volume: 6092.61347852, 24 hour low: 499.0, 24 hour high: 512.0, 24 hour vwap: 505.970175212

10:11

i could drop by on my way to turkey to take my bride

10:12

;;ident antonosika

10:12

Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified.

10:12

antonosika first step would be you get in the wot.

10:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.0006887 = 32.7133 BTC [-] {3}

10:15

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ekybn/a_law_enforcement_encounter_if_you_ran_a_bitcoin/ck0klt5

10:15

paleh0rse comments on A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared

10:15

oops

10:15

>:(

10:15

lol

10:16

http://origin.dailysignal.com/wp-content/uploads/choke-point-high-risk-list.jpg check out the white house hate list.

10:16

travel clubs ? dating services ? coin sellers ?

10:16

bingo dont bullshit much

10:17

escort fucking services ? who is this nigger, a graft between everything johnson and carter had objectionable between them ?!

10:19

he gonna swear on his wot, not the bible

10:21

disasterous

10:21

find the gpd within

10:21

&gpg

10:21

Error: "gpg" is not a valid command.

10:22

antonosika +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

10:23

<mircea_popescu> escort fucking services ? who is this nigger, a graft between everything johnson and carter had objectionable between them ?!// hmm what happened to the gun shops and churches?

10:23

!up antonosika

10:23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs 80 million hits per week, deal with it

10:23

;;ident antonosika

10:23

Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is identified as user 'antonosika', with GPG key id 86AC5789F93ED2E7, key fingerprint 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7, and bitcoin address None

10:23

mircea I hope you apoligize me as a learning beginner.

10:24

What's more?

10:29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zR6ROjoOX0 took iggy all year

10:32

<+mircea_popescu> generally getting judgements against deadbeats is not productive. /// that has been my position so far. "worth it" would be getting the bonds redeemed for the bitcoins, or getting a similarly valued pile of cash

10:32

i dont care about punishing her or whatever

10:33

loar

10:33

how much i sit?

10:34

is she mining?

10:35

doge?

10:36

;;ud daffodil

10:36

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Daffodil | Daffodil. The opposite of a whore. A girl who is always good and never does anything bad and never gets in trouble. They always act like angels and get good ...

10:37

also synonym for modafinil, "an oral drug that is used for improving wakefulness in patients with excessive sleepiness"

10:37

mircea Please continue about how to proceed.

10:37

from the nicki minaj lyric...

10:39

"He toss my salad like his name Romaine, And when we done, I make him buy me Balmain"

10:40

"I wanna see all the big fat ass bitches in the muthafuckin' club. Fuck you if you skinny bitches, what?! Kyuh"

10:40

20 million in 2 days aisnt no shit

10:40

and this has been your pop culture otd

10:41

mod6

poetry

10:41

imma play it again

10:41

the one without her vid has 10 mill bit thats 2 motnhs

10:43

<+Vexual> how much i sit? is she mining? /// roughly $70k. god knows.

10:44

ltc gon south lately is that old money?

10:44

ltc will copy btc during time of volatility and then die otherwise

10:44

for now at least

10:45

i still think chinese are running some kinda btcusd ltcbtc scheme

10:45

is that your anal isis?

10:45

yesuur

10:45

half a pill?

10:45

no thx

10:46

cifermine is vetter off mining doge if they want bc

10:46

they are better of mining gold

10:46

off

10:46

ltcglobal and shit

10:47

corporate espionage

10:47

i watch the rate make no mistake

10:48

you're mainly concerned with the bond?

10:50

ill bring my spreadsheets to court if you spoof my fingerprimts fpr a visa

10:50

antonosika http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

10:50

first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

10:51

Thanks.

10:51

;;gettrust antonosika

10:51

Currently authenticated from hostmask antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw. Trust relationship from user antonosika to user antonosika: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=antonosika&dest=antonosika | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=antonosika | Rated since: never

10:52

;;gettrust

10:52

(gettrust [<sourcenick>] <destnick>) -- Get trust paths for <destnick>, starting from <sourcenick>. If <sourcenick> is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust

10:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMQksXpQSk yeah im an expert cunt

10:54

!up antonosika

10:55

I'm a huge fan of bitcoin-assets and try to hang out here when I can. What is really needed to get auto-voice?

10:56

scriptness at your end

10:56

;;gettrust assbot antonosika

10:56

Currently authenticated from hostmask antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw. Trust relationship from user assbot to user antonosika: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=antonosika | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=antonosika | Rated since: never

10:56

you need l1 or l2 trust

10:56

;;rate antonosika 1 bitcoin-assets +v

10:56

are you suchwow?

10:56

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user antonosika has been recorded.

10:56

;;gettrust assbot antonosika

10:56

Currently authenticated from hostmask antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw. Trust relationship from user assbot to user antonosika: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=antonosika | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=antonosika | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 10:56:36 2014

10:57

now you just have to /msg assbot !up

10:57

nope I am not

10:57

"People are freaking out on Burger King's Facebook page over the burger chain's moving its headquarters to Canada.

10:57

The American fast-food chain has agreed to merge with Canadian coffee and donut chain Tim Hortons."

10:57

Thanks Pankkake.

10:57

lol such patriots those bk guys

10:58

Are there any good resources for guidelines on giving away trust levels?

10:58

http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation maybe

10:58

wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]

10:59

good dog

11:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr_uHJPUlO8 doge

11:03

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/505354.html

11:04

Russia Wants Bulgarians to Stop Vandalizing Soviet Monuments... to look like American superheroes

11:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00068585 = 21.2614 BTC [-] {3}

11:13

pankakke, things have changed

11:19

80 million hits really kick sthe llamas ass

11:20

15% all year is possible

11:20

Vexual: big mebbe

11:20

yeah big mebe big silicone

11:20

pankkake: http://www.bortzmeyer.org/securite-facilite.html good article if you can read this glorious language << mhm

11:20

Blog Stphane Bortzmeyer: Scurit, facilit d'usage, et les utilisateurs non-informaticiens

11:20

id bet no

11:20

same

11:21

but if it went the other way i wouldnt be too sursprised

11:22

these people lost the marshall auction

11:23

however 15% in december will melt some inut vag

11:23

who are "these people?"

11:24

well whoever is buting hasg

11:24

i could see an average of 15% but that's an average

11:24

a hm not sure they're the same folks

11:25

i think the marshall auction loozers invested in exchanges and things

11:25

as they do

11:25

yeah

11:25

and they mine

11:25

there was that korean one, the mexican one, the indian one...

11:25

?

11:26

korea gonna be playin elora soon

11:26

dunno. was talking about exchanges, payment processors, etc

11:26

i think the koreans will stick with starcraft for at least another 100 years

11:27

i don't blame them one bit either, it's not to be improved on

11:28

how many korean play starcraft?

11:30

1% of those play shitty fuck on android too, its a big bad world

11:34

i can dial up an multiplaey wad on my old nintendo and theres hundresds there

11:34

!up Flerb

11:35

!up Flerb__

11:35

Thanks

11:36

BTM's IPO just finished. Odd, buyers bidding really really low prices

11:36

Asks are at IPO price

11:37

!down Flerb__

11:38

!doen Flerb

11:38

!down Flerb

11:38

go back to denmark u horse fucker

11:39

lol nice

11:40

truth hurts

~ 19 minutes ~

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58638980 BTC to 15`044 shares, 10545 satoshi per share

12:01

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 9.61389968 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 836 satoshi per share

~ 18 minutes ~

12:19

Flerb__ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

12:19

oh no way - Richard Attenborough died yesterday

12:19

!up Flerb__

12:20

Thanks, how do I get to "level 2"

12:20

fluffypony, I thought it was David Attenborough at first

12:20

What do I have to do to establish trust with gribble?

12:20

L1 is a direct trust relationship with assbot

12:21

L2 is somebody-assbot-trusts-also-trusts-you

12:21

OK

12:21

So I need to rate assbot

12:21

Or something.

12:21

I'm confused

12:21

no, the other way around

12:21

assbot would have to rate you

12:22

or someone assbot as rated would have to rate you

12:24

OK. So can you trust me?

12:24

*rate

12:26

what for?

12:26

I don't even know you

12:27

[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 110 @ 0.005 = 0.55 BTC [-]

12:28

are you Flerb__ or Flerb?

12:28

http://www.csoonline.com/article/2597556/social-engineering/fbi-issues-warning-about-creative-google-searches.html

12:28

FBI issues warning about creative Google searches | CSO Online

12:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.285 = 1.425 BTC [-]

12:33

deego: But, really, this is not the only one issue. I have had so many attempts at id theft here and irl that it's annoying beyond belief and I just wish to frigging disappear from otc. So, please do remove my ratings, everyone. :)

12:33

Duffer1, both

12:34

Now I'm Flerb

12:34

i mean which one are you authed as?

12:34

gpg

12:34

Duffer1, Flerb

12:34

Are you supposed to actually do something to get trust?

12:34

;;rate Flerb 1 a for effort

12:34

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Flerb has been recorded.

12:35

you should be able to !up yourself now

12:37

OK

12:37

Thanks

12:37

a for effort?

12:37

just a comment so i don't forget why i rated you

12:37

;;gettrust Flerb

12:37

Currently authenticated from hostmask Flerb!~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123. Trust relationship from user Duffer1 to user Flerb: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Duffer1&dest=Flerb | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Flerb | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 12:34:19 2014

12:38

damn BingoBoingo you're racking up the hits

12:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6497 @ 0.00068747 = 4.4665 BTC [+]

12:41

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 54 @ 0.0370184 = 1.999 BTC [-] {6}

12:42

!up Flerb

12:43

<kakobrekla> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv93erCIYAAZhuj.png:large << hooooo

12:43

Thanks

12:43

Didn't need it now though

12:43

now that's programming with time as a first class principle!

12:45

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 49 @ 0.04940815 = 2.421 BTC [+] {5}

12:47

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00250591 = 0.5012 BTC [-] {5}

~ 28 minutes ~

13:16

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.27094569 = 12.7344 BTC [-] {10}

13:17

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2672 = 1.0688 BTC [-] {3}

13:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13775 @ 0.00068757 = 9.4713 BTC [+] {2}

13:28

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [-] {2}

13:29

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1449 @ 0.00083251 = 1.2063 BTC [+] {9}

13:31

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1707 @ 0.00085265 = 1.4555 BTC [+] {3}

~ 33 minutes ~

14:05

Flerb +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

14:05

Apocalyptic

!up Flerb

14:05

Thanks

14:16

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1277 @ 0.000861 = 1.0995 BTC [-]

14:27

!up Flerb

14:29

Thank you

14:33

http://www.operationfabulous.com/advertiser/index.php?e=list

14:33

Operation Fabulous: Advertise with bitcoins.

14:35

heh http://opfab.net/still/

14:35

We're Still Here! - Operation FabulousOperation Fabulous

14:42

antonosika: you do SEPA?

14:42

Flerb +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

14:44

jurov: I do. Why?

14:46

;;ud Charzarding

14:46

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Charzarding | Oct 5, 2010 ... Charzarding is when you light a girls pubes on fire then put it out with your jizz and flap your arms saying "you do not have enough badges to ...

14:50

!up Flerb

14:56

!up BlueMeanie4

14:56

hey Daniel

14:56

hello

14:56

its a good article by preston byrne

14:57

who is this preston byrne guy and is he in here already?

14:57

ya

14:57

he's a lawyer that deals in crypto space

14:57

brit

14:57

http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-we-teach-basic-reading-comprehension-to-a-certain-mr-preston-byrne/

14:57

In which we teach basic reading comprehension to a certain Mr. Preston Byrne pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:57

that whole gang of people are just making big problems

14:58

i had a feeling i saw that name somewhere

14:58

they kicked Charles out of ethereum then announce a partnership with his other project

14:58

that doesnt sound sketchy at all, right?

14:59

*

danielpbarron shrugs

15:00

what happened to Mastercoin?

15:01

also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne?

15:02

might want to use a ;;later tell -- he's not logged in at the moment

15:02

lol mastercoin

15:03

you guys are IRC geniuses around here

15:03

Vitalik was invovled in Mastercoin too, seems ppl forget that

15:03

onto the next P&D

15:03

i never liked mastercoin; counterparty always seemed like the better choice (putting aside the idiocy of a decentralized exchange)

15:04

the ppl at counterparty are at least reliable

15:04

yes there are flaws with their ideas, but it can be used for some things

15:05

i'm getting use out of it

15:05

yes their claims are reliable, which is important

15:05

like how a boy gets use out of a toy truck

15:05

ha yes

15:05

good metaphor

15:06

it can't be used for serious money making

15:06

but Bitshares is just a nightmare con job

15:07

re. counterparty- they are blazing the trail- let them do it and spend someone else money :)

15:08

Rome wasnt built in a day

15:10

the counterparty devs probably made out well with that project; the price of XCP is well over the initial burn price

15:11

im sure they brought some in, it's not a crime

15:12

"After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book"

15:12

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Action-Comics-1-June-1938-Supermans-Debut-CGC-9-0-Perfect-White-Pages-/311050328393

15:12

Action Comics 1 June 1938 Superman 039 s Debut CGC 9 0 Perfect White Pages | eBay

15:12

that's going to be a fun PayPal dispute

15:14

i owned TMNT #1 at one point. sold it.

15:19

;;echo BlueMeanie4, get in the WoT! [eregister]

15:19

BlueMeanie4, get in the WoT! (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' (1 more message)

15:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.00068663 = 30.5894 BTC [-] {2}

15:24

ok

15:24

so what keyserver do i use/

15:25

ben_vulpes: Is Coinroll the 3rd Van Customer, or have people other than Mircea and Myself been buying ads?

15:25

*

danielpbarron has been considering buying an ad

15:25

also considering buying nubbins`'s new print

15:26

;;later tell nubbins` you accept PPUSD for payment?

15:26

The operation succeeded.

15:27

BlueMeanie4, whichever key-server is used as the default for gnupg (i think)

15:27

!up BlueMeanie4

15:27

ok

15:27

Oh, 4th customer. Forgot WoL

15:30

BlueMeanie4, http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/ << this one

15:30

SKS OpenPGP Public Key Server

15:30

at least, that's the one -otc references with ;;gpg info

15:31

lol! https://twitter.com/prestonjbyrne/status/504350202002567168

15:31

Your own Fort Knox. http://t.co/KWtYswD7e0

15:32

stupid assbot, this is the main part: "@danielpbarron I suspect I am beyond redemption on #bitcoin-assets. Send everyone my regards though."

15:32

eregister BlueMeanie4 0x51587535

15:32

;;echo BlueMeanie4, don't forget the ;;

15:32

BlueMeanie4, don't forget the ;;

15:32

also, leave out the 0x

15:33

;;eregister BlueMeanie4 0x51587535

15:33

Error: '0x51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

15:33

;;eregister BlueMeanie4 51587535

15:33

Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

15:33

and leave out the 515... too; you want the last 16 or 8 characters

15:33

;;eregister BlueMeanie4 0x51587535 ;;

15:33

Error: '0x51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

15:33

the key id is the last 8 characters of the fingerprint

15:34

ah, it wants long form

15:34

last 8 chars of the fingerprint?

15:34

?

15:34

last 16

15:34

the fingerprint is 1FD2 7380 0859 479E AE75 77AD DCB3 74BF 5158 7535

15:35

so try this: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535

15:36

;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535 ;;

15:36

(eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)

15:36

don't end with ;;

15:37

;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535

15:37

Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.

15:37

BlueMeanie4, http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/ << this one

15:37

SKS OpenPGP Public Key Server

15:37

this is very user friendly

15:37

;;eregister BlueMeanie4 51587535

15:37

Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

15:37

yes the key is up there

15:38

where did you upload it?

15:38

i see it on the web page

15:38

http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=josh.josh421%40gmail.com&fingerprint=on

15:38

No results found

15:40

no its up there

15:40

isee the key

15:40

hrm

15:40

There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla. << mircea_popescu could you introduce me to this woman

15:41

weird now it doesnt show up!

15:41

ok

15:41

try now

15:41

apparently gribble doesn't use the keyserver he links to

15:41

i just uploaded your key to http://pgp.mit.edu/

15:41

MIT PGP Key Server

15:41

how did you get the key?

15:42

it's... public!

15:42

;;eregister BlueMeanie4 51587535

15:42

Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

15:42

longform

15:42

;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535

15:42

Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535

15:42

WIN

15:42

aw i wanted to bash that

15:42

you can custom bash

15:43

Need a number of lines.

15:43

!bash

15:43

http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?add

15:43

#bitcoin-assets bash

15:43

i mean copy paste it yourself

15:45

ok so now ive got some hash string?

15:45

;;echo BlueMeanie4, when you get the challenge string, use this command: [everify]

15:45

BlueMeanie4, when you get the challenge string, use this command: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).

15:46

i see

15:46

that was fun

15:46

this system is usable by about 20 people all of them have PhDs

15:47

it's usable by those who are worth talking to

15:48

if you can't do these basic things then why are you in Bitcoin?

15:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3842 @ 0.00068905 = 2.6473 BTC [+]

15:49

anyway, finish it! ;;everify your-decrypted-challenge-string

15:49

that's MPs take as well it seems

15:49

it should be anyone's take who has a brain and doesn't like wasting it

15:50

in my own experience, it's not worth getting people into Bitcoin that can't do these things

15:50

they will need endless hand-holding and are constant sources of drama

15:50

MSFT divides users into 4 groups

15:50

BlueMeanie4, finish authing!! you are so close!

15:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 239 @ 0.00278915 = 0.6666 BTC [+]

15:50

i think this goes back to ancient times really, so did the romans

15:50

what do i need to do now?

15:51

scroll up; I explained already

15:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28399999 = 0.852 BTC [+]

15:51

TomServo

+BlueMeanie4 | MSFT divides users into 4 groups << eh?

15:51

;;everify 840654f07c4296bd320ea97d2bff00e45b255d6e8185964e8585a5e8

15:51

Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.

15:52

that's not the right one..

15:52

where did you find that?

15:52

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:840654f07c4296bd320ea97d2bff00e45b255d6e8185964e8585a5e8

15:52

Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535

15:52

yay!!

15:52

;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4

15:52

Blue Meanie (BlueMeanie4) auf Twitter

15:52

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.

15:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFNLbAs3KAU

15:53

Snoopy's Happy Dance! - YouTube

15:53

now you can rate and be rated

15:54

excellent

15:54

yes MSFT divided users into 4 tiers

15:57

antonosika: still buying?

15:57

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/22/artificial-intelligence-oxford_n_5689858.html

15:57

Artificial Intelligence May Doom The Human Race Within A Century, Oxford Professor Says

15:58

How to control superintelligent AI is really the most important task of our time -- yet, it is almost completely ignored.

15:58

got me a few good chuckles

15:59

Cognitive enhancement could take place through collective cognitive ability -- the Internet, for example, and institutional innovations that enable humans to function better together. In terms of individual cognitive enhancement, the first thing likely to be successful is genetic selection in the context of in-vitro fertilization. I don't hold out much for cyborgs or implants.

15:59

hue

16:00

jurov: I guess. 5000 ether/btc

16:00

What do you think about ethereum?

16:00

i don't sniff ether. i prefer euros

16:00

<danielpbarron> i'm getting use out of it << what are ya doing with cp?

16:00

lol re: the notion of 'controlling' a hypothetical 'superintelligent' machine.

16:01

<BingoBoingo> ben_vulpes: Is Coinroll the 3rd Van Customer, or have people other than Mircea and Myself been buying ads? << the former

16:02

oh yeah, wol.

16:02

never forget!

16:02

Yeah, later I remembered the WoL buy

16:02

BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

16:02

!up BlueMeanie4

16:02

danielpbarron: tell preston he's not a lost cause

16:02

jurov, asking me?

16:02

coinroll's just trying for few days

16:03

BlueMeanie4 no just noticed you were trying

16:04

http://www.fiercepharmamanufacturing.com/story/teva-recalls-parkinsons-disease-drug-because-it-may-be-superpotent/2014-08-26?utm_campaign=AddThis&utm_medium=AddThis&utm_source=twitter#.U_zTfaCk2Nk.twitter

16:04

Teva recalls Parkinson's disease drug because it may be 'superpotent' - FiercePharma Manufacturing

16:05

does it cause superdepression leading to actors killing themselves?

16:06

ThickAsThieves: This drug works the opposite direction, gets converted to Dopamine in vivo

16:07

Not effects Dopamine, is a precursor for dopamine

16:08

04:00 <+ben_vulpes> <danielpbarron> i'm getting use out of it << what are ya doing with cp? << this: http://danielpbarron.com/MEAT/

16:08

MEAT

16:10

%t

16:10

[X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 24h-Vol: 2k High: 175 Low: 175 VWAP: 174

16:10

re: solar flares etc http://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/military/electromagnetic-warfare-is-here

16:10

Electromagnetic Warfare Is Here - IEEE Spectrum

16:10

Daniel- thanks for the help friend

16:11

BlueMeanie4, you're welcome

16:21

https://twitter.com/prestonjbyrne/status/504362441082683393 Sweet salvation! Might pop on a bit later tonight. << Preston Byrne might join later :D

16:21

Your own Fort Knox. http://t.co/KWtYswD7e0

16:22

it sure is hard to book a US flight that isnt somehow connected to US Airways sometimes...

16:23

as soon as I see the word 'webinar' im turned off

16:23

it's frustrating to have to pick them

16:24

BlueMeanie4: It's like any other thing. Most of them are absolute shit, but occasionally you get one by an actual expert on an actual subject. There was actually a nice OpenBSD one done by Micheal W. Lucas for O'Reilly

16:29

they use the term 'webinar' to make you think its' something more important than some lame video someone churned out

16:44

dignork

If you meantion Preston, i guess you read this: http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/17/dont-walk-away-run/

16:44

BitShares: Don’t walk away. Run | Preston Byrne

16:44

dignork

*mention

16:52

CONVOY

16:55

BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

16:55

!up BlueMeanie4

16:55

dignork Daniel and I were reading that this morning

16:55

danke

17:00

wow, now warriorforum won't let me link to other people's sites in my signature

17:02

now i gotta go and rewrite my "home-page"

~ 19 minutes ~

17:21

http://shrani.si/f/3B/2E/1Mn4hYnA/for-those-who-manage-bit.png

17:23

Beautiful kakobrekla, keep us updated if there is a further reply

17:24

mircea says crapre diem?

17:24

made up on spot.

17:24

wd

17:24

;;gettrust DEVOPS

17:24

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user DEVOPS: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=DEVOPS | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DEVOPS | Rated since: never

17:27

!s bithub

17:27

402 results for 'bithub' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bithub

17:27

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 719 @ 0.00089996 = 0.6471 BTC [-] {2}

17:27

mod6

lol kakobrekla

17:37

BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

17:38

!up BlueMeanie4

17:38

so where are the contracts describeD

17:41

what contracts?

17:42

cant i make options and futures contracts on here?

17:44

ya, just type it up and clearsign it with your PGP key; get the other guy to sign that

17:44

i see

17:44

dignork

BlueMeanie4: if you want existing future contract see here: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR

17:44

X.EUR last 625@0.00233000

17:45

ok so who thinks BTC is going up?

17:45

I do!

17:45

Eventually

17:47

so what kind of contract would you do then?

17:48

i'd be interested in some sort of deal where I buy BTC at today's price next year

17:48

thats a call option

17:49

do you do stock trading?

17:49

a little

17:50

ok for a test

17:50

the issue is you need to price the option

17:50

its a not so simple equation

17:51

you know BlueMeanie4

17:51

it's not an option

17:51

We cal that Future.

17:51

or, Forward, when done OTC.

17:51

a future is similar, but it delivers the actual asset and the price is paid down in full

17:52

so an option is the ABILITY not the OBLIGATION to buy

17:52

a FUTURE is pre-paying for an asset

17:52

o hai.

17:52

so i would do a small BTC future just for kicks

17:53

BlueMeanie4: which is what I understood danielpbarron meant.

17:54

TheNewDeal: There once was a she named Priscilla << but it'

17:54

s not a woman. it's a chinchilla

17:54

'buy BTC at a preset price in the future' is an option

17:54

nop

17:54

it doesn't specify that you have the right not to buy said amount of BTC.

17:55

antonosika aite, let's see here.

17:58

you should try to conform to common terminology- makes it easier for people to get invovled

17:59

BlueMeanie4 well it doesn't help that he doesn;'t really know the common terminology.

18:00

a good book. http://www.amazon.com/International-Financial-Markets-J-Orlin-Grabbe/dp/0444015981

18:00

The International Financial Markets: 9780444015983: Economics Books @ Amazon.com

18:00

the author is right up your guys alley

18:00

what alley is that ?

18:00

the one in the backside of the NYSE where hookers hang out?

18:01

have you ever read J. Orlin Grabbe?

18:04

Options and Futures are pretty simple

18:04

not hard to learn, but the complex structured instruments are not that easy to figure out

18:06

antonosika here you go : http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A

18:06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com

18:06

BlueMeanie4 yes, actually.

18:06

he's pretty *intense*

18:07

he was with the laissez faire troop neh ?

18:07

died in cr ?

18:09

!up BlueMeanie4

18:09

listen, you got to get in the wot if you keep coming by.

18:09

im in the wot

18:09

just did it

18:09

;;ident BlueMeanie4

18:09

Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is identified as user 'BlueMeanie4', with GPG key id DCB374BF51587535, key fingerprint 1FD273800859479EAE7577ADDCB374BF51587535, and bitcoin address None

18:10

;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 Marx sez : never trust a capitalist.

18:10

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.

18:10

mircea_popescu: Thanks for writing the contract, my take is that you see no way of making it possible for me to avoid waiting till september 2015 for the eth and avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade?

18:10

thanks to Daniel btw

18:10

so who adjudicates the contracts?

18:10

antonosika "avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade" << what;s this mean ?

18:10

BlueMeanie4 you ever read up on the fabulous adventure of teh rota ?

18:11

dont believe i have

18:11

but did read a bit on JOGs death in CR

18:11

it's lulzy. http://trilema.com/category/rota/ << read those, ask me again.

18:11

Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:11

<<< lived in cr until 2007ish

18:11

mircea_popescu: I deem that ethereum will trade in 100 btc in one year, but in the chance that it does not I have an infinite loss of capital (which is a lot since I dont have much).

18:12

antonosika kinda the purpose of these contracts.

18:12

!up rybro

18:12

well purpose is that you buy eth cheaply in one year though...

18:12

the purpose is to gain exposure to eth. you can't have the exposure without the exposure.

18:12

how about you donate the 3 btc to something nice if contract fails ?

18:12

Both of us win...

18:13

i donate to whatever the hell i feel like with or without that contract lol

18:13

recall, im the openbsd guy.

18:14

tell me eth is ethanol and not ethereum

18:14

Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3Z280ZV.txt )

18:14

TomServo

!b 7

18:14

no, it's ethereum

18:16

yeah i knew it :P

18:16

Ehum I want to make deals with nice people.

18:16

seems like they do cool stuff by why so shady

18:17

because they only claim to do cool stuff. anyone can claim to do cool stuff.

18:17

I deposit 3 btc to you. Isn't it fair that we decide something nice that happens with it if there is a large delay of ETH currency?

18:17

antonosika that approach to business will ensure you'll squander whatever little capital you have.

18:17

best idea is to work with smart people.

18:18

Smart people have good values, so If you have a good suggestion of what to donate my btc to I would regard you as smarter

18:18

"nice" people are rarely worth the price of a decent burial, clothes included, and i very much doubt they ever should be.

18:18

o you would, would you.

18:20

I'm really interested, what is your philosophy on life?

18:20

Mircea, totally agree

18:20

total logical fallacy man, unless you define what 'good' people are for all parties involved there are definitely going to be differences in opinion on what a 'good' person is and what a good action is on their part

18:21

http://pastebin.com/fb3v4nFL << kakobrekla i see yours and i raise you wtf is this shit.

18:21

Return-path: <dominik.zynis@gmail.com> Envelope-to: office@ Delivery-date: Tue - Pastebin.com

18:21

everyone is too brainwashed to have principles anyway

18:21

well as we say in NY

18:21

PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS

18:21

rybro he's talking nice not good.

18:21

antonosika my philosophy in life is that all ills arise from people like you having any money and any voice, basically.

18:21

what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot.

18:22

wouldn't nice be just as subjective as good ?

18:22

rybro nah, it's worse.

18:23

good is a matter of reason at least to some degree. nice is pure sensata crapolade.

18:23

what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot.< we also have another phrase , getting 'Gypped'

18:23

a point established by considering that one has to reason to discover the good, whereas one just "feels" the nice. which approach is exactly why nice rather than good, why all that intellectual effort

18:23

lol

18:24

all i can think of is susan korman and that pink ribbon breast cancer thing

18:24

mircea_popescu: My approach is definitely not "feels good" nice

18:24

antonosika well then you get a free pass.

18:24

mircea_popescu: But, do you have a definition of deeds that are the opposite of ill?

18:24

BlueMeanie4 well it's not necessarily defined, but to me gypped is the inverse process : when some lout appropriates capital he shouldn't have.

18:25

antonosika lessee, maybe this is relevant to your interests http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/

18:25

Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:25

'shouldnt have' according to whom?

18:26

my guess is the one who lost the capital

18:26

well that's where it gets iffy.

18:26

thats where it gets gyppy :)

18:26

lol

18:27

I would not donate to charity. But anyhow, if you deem some things as ill (such as charity) some people do things that are not ill (like you for example?) what would such deeds be?

18:27

"Media coverage of new technologies is always governed by an inexorable cycle: First comes the hyping, then comes the trashing. Of late, the Net has so accelerated this cycle that the trashing kicks in well before the hype has stopped sometimes creating a conflict of views that looks suspiciously like genuine debate."

18:28

http://www.salon.com/1997/03/06/straight_59/ << dude check out salon in 1997, back before it was hiring college dropouts for a hamburger.

18:28

Let's Get This Straight: March 1997 archives - Salon.com

18:29

antonosika you generally can't expect a summary of such things be presented to you on demand. there's about 2 years worth of logs here and >5 of trilema articles, you'll have to go through all that to find your own answer.

18:30

As companies like Pointcast, Marimbas Castanet, Backweb, Intermind and others flock to seize push market-share, they have been feted by the business press, welcomed by media companies who hope push will help them make money, even lauded by Wired magazine as the radical future of media beyond the Web. <<< all winners :D

18:31

In August 1998, PointCast found such a partner. In order to compete with @Home, a consortium of telephone companies and Microsoft put together a project designed to promote use of DSL in preference to cable modems. <<< has there EVER been a technology battle where ms fell on the right side ?

18:33

Well you said that it would be better if I had no money or voice since I will never do anything good. It feels like that gives a rather strict definition of good.

18:34

If I read logs or articles I don't know what things have any "value" and what are just writings.

18:34

well this problem is chiefly reflective of you not having done a lot of it yet.

18:34

At least your philosphy doesnt sound like nihilism

18:34

you can't start by doing good. you start by doing work, a lot of it, then you see.

18:34

!up Brigadie-

18:34

Ehum, any guidelines?

18:34

nope.

18:35

Ok...

18:35

;;gettrust mircea_popescu

18:35

Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user antonosika to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=antonosika&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011

18:36

http://supremelaw.org/sls/email/box081/msg08181.htm

18:36

asciilifeform you know, a complete collection of grabbe would probably be useful at this point. he doesn't seem to have any web exposure.

18:36

you still got those usenet archives ?

18:39

in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/11/maily-serenablair-31808/images/full/12.jpg

18:44

mircea_popescu: Anyways, one thought on doing more good is to make it easier for those naive souls (as myself) who want to understand to learn.

18:44

!up BitMarmot

18:44

Ayo

18:44

!up rdekley

18:44

BitMarmot are you really a marmot ?

18:44

But at least I can do business with you.

18:44

<- really a pony

18:45

antonosika nothing easy's worth doing.

18:45

Ask danielpbarron

18:45

fluffypony that we know :D

18:45

How do I sign the contract?

18:45

I am also a USG_Press_Machine from time to time

18:45

antonosika: just send me your private key

18:45

and I'll sort it out

18:45

antonosika you don't have to sign it, if you pay it stands.

18:45

;;gettrust BitMarmot

18:45

Will do it this weekend

18:45

Just swinging by to say hello

18:45

BitMarmot usg press machine was a better nick. this bitblabla stuff is a cancer.

18:46

;;ticker

18:46

why is gribble being dumb

18:46

.nick BitPony ?

18:46

agreed, but I figured the marmot peg was the best way to illustrate the sheer stupidity of what was going on with BTSX

18:46

thestringpuller it's not being dumb, it's being absent

18:46

btsx ?

18:46

Of everything I've written I figured MP probably approved of my most recent work the most

18:46

BitShares X

18:46

o that. heh.

18:47

BitMarmot link ?

18:47

two ticks

18:47

http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/17/dont-walk-away-run/

18:47

BitShares: Don’t walk away. Run | Preston Byrne

18:47

mircea_popescu: Is there a way for me to show that I paid?

18:47

"wait a tick, wait a tick... i will not ruin this sketch for a pound"

18:47

http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/24/what-goes-up/

18:47

BitSharesX: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence | Preston Byrne

18:47

antonosika well if a payment as specified makes it to the address specified before time specified, you have.

18:50

BitMarmot myeah. the many advantages for the general public of the sec demuring instead of taking its fucking place in the world.

18:50

a well.

18:51

but yes, i will definitely push for prosecution of the current set of sec comissioners for having failed to take the hand i extended to them last year.

18:51

I mean, I don't exactly look forward to the day seeing as I'm meant to be hanged

18:51

But apparently I am not beyond saving

18:52

what's so bad about hanging ?

18:52

you at least get to come.

18:52

yet another way nature disadvantages women.

18:52

ben_vulpes:danielpbarron: tell preston he's not a lost cause

18:52

!up BlueMeanie4

18:52

;;ident mircea_popescu

18:52

;;gettrust assbot BlueMeanie4

18:52

I think the SEC is aware of what Vitalik and Bitshares are doing, but theyre biding their time

18:52

Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.

18:53

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BlueMeanie4: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BlueMeanie4 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BlueMeanie4 | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 15:52:35 2014

18:53

BlueMeanie4 if you id with gribble and pm assbot !up you can just up yourself.

18:53

wow this system is confusing as hell

18:54

its pretty clear that Ethereum and Bitshares were fundraisers

18:54

and i really appreciate your points in that article BitMarmot

18:55

Thanks BlueMeanie4 - I do this for a living so looked at BitShares for 20 minutes and was like, "does not compute"

18:55

it's a fucking outrage is what it is. basically vitalik saw the neobee fuckwit buy a ferrari or whatever it was, went out of his mind and well... "if x can steal why shouldn't i"

18:55

which is what's wrong with "biding their time" idiocies.

18:55

I just know the people involved and I didnt even bother running the numbers, I already know the answer

18:55

Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often

18:55

why doesn't mircea_popescu get identified by ;;ident ?

18:55

;;ident antonosika

18:55

antonosika gribble blinked. a sec

18:55

Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified.

18:55

;;ident nanotubes

18:56

Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

18:56

BitMarmot- those guys are notorious for faking things like sales numbers and web stats

18:56

;;ident

18:56

Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None

18:56

mircea_popescu: will you confirm that the contract holds when you get the payment?

18:56

;;ident

18:56

sure.

18:56

Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified.

18:56

How is that done?

18:56

BitMarmot- I tweeted you :)

18:57

how is what done

18:57

Public confirmation of that a contract holds

18:57

BlueMeanie4 thanks! I saw.

18:57

x.x

18:57

how would you like it to be done ?

18:57

you sign a message with your gpg?

18:57

I even recall the early bitshares stuff on btt, it was pure idiocy

18:58

i already did dood. in between that pastebin and a blockchain read you have incontrovertible proof.

18:58

although I cant confirm that the current concept bears any resemblance to those early ideas

18:58

Why cant u just argue that that is another transaction?

18:58

because that's what the contract says.

18:59

BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea

19:00

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2014#809835

19:00

Logged on 26-08-2014 10:50:07; mircea_popescu: There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla.

19:00

I actually really like marmots

19:00

could it be chinchillas instead ?

19:01

we have something like a marmot in the rocky mountains. its similar to a mountain-hamster

19:01

A friend of mine tells me the tale of a marmot called Grey Beard

19:01

who lived in the rockies

19:01

BitMarmot "I dont like or approve of token pre-sales and I never will." << whatr's this mean ?

19:01

He would cast a curse on any campers at the camp who harassed local wildlife

19:02

Mircea_Popescu exactly what it says

19:02

also get out of this habit of using the same title on different dates for different articles. it's breadspread insanity.

19:02

I'll join WoT this weekend

19:02

BitMarmot it doesn't say so much cause "token pre-sales" isn't reallyt a term of art.

19:02

that sounds like the scene from Monty Python holy Grail

19:02

Satoshi didn't need a presale

19:02

all this stuff is iterative

19:02

BitMarmot- allocate at least an hour to get through the WOT process

19:02

you mean recursive ?

19:02

as in, soon they'll do presales for the presale ?

19:02

nope, iterative

19:03

i.e. it's not really an improvement

19:03

im not even sure what it's supposed to be.

19:03

If someone came up with a chain which was awesome

19:03

What does it mean that assignments are integral?

19:03

i mean other than tardstalk finance.

19:03

they wouldn't need to presell because they'd make their money mining the crap out of it

19:03

antonosika that you can't give sue 1.5 btc and mary 1.5 btc of your load. gotta pick a girl blow the whole load on her.

19:03

BitMarmot you mean like atc ?

19:04

fact is, most alt chains aren't that big a deal/that different from BTC to merit existence

19:04

ATC?

19:04

%p

19:04

No data returned from CoinMiner.net

19:04

[PityThePool Hashrate]: 1636.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s

19:04

^

19:04

therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin.

19:04

Good work ThickAsThieves.

19:05

ok, "I look at BitSharesX and I see a group of talented" << what do you mean by talented then.

19:05

Larimer's a smart kid

19:05

on the programmer side

19:05

i beg to differe

19:05

and i'd know this how ?

19:05

i was reading larimers babbling on btt - his ideas are idiotic

19:05

BlueMeanie4 well he did say codewise.

19:06

mircea_popescu: thanks for making it so clear.

19:06

*

antonosika http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com

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Let me put it this way - I wanted to play the ball rather than the programmer

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gotta cut amateurs slack re finance, somehow everyone got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin.

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he wanted to peg the value of assets to some 'market value' - it was utter nonsense

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Same paste

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just needed to paste it

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got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin. < a lot of that goes on for sure

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but generally, you can distinguish they don't know wtf they're talking about on terminology, and just discard that and see if they're basically honest or not. at least it's my approach.

19:07

BitMarmot- of course he doesnt want to program it- i makes ZERO sense!

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that was basically my thought when I bothered to read his nonsense writings

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I just don't like going after people personally - I'd rather discuss the issues

19:08

'if this guy is going to code this then great for him'

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of course he defers that small job to someone else

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Even if the writings are nonsense, go after the writings, not the person who wrote them

19:08

he's exactly like Chris Odom

19:08

BitMarmot that's fine, but you know if you call someone something, whether it's "talented" or "whore" or anything, i may well ask you well, how did you find this and how could i verify for myself.

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only natural.

19:08

mircea_popescu all of god's creatures are special

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unique snowflakes

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oh get out. unless they taste like vanilla they go right into the stu.

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otherwise, they go into the cake.

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hahahahahaahahahaha

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I thought you might like that.

19:09

to a degree- if someone is repeatedly trying to draw attention to themselves by whoring around every buzzword and they do it repeatedly then pull a PRESALE- thats when you start questioning someone's motives

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKY5zHILK00 << this could be the "talented bitcoiner" theme song.

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Animaniacs - The Monkey Song - YouTube

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I go on what I can prove. If I can't prove it, I figure no harm in being polite

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BitMarmot if politeness has degraded to the point you gotta call someone talented just to remain polite i dun want any part of it.

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yes but eventually the emporer wears no clothe

19:10

Im about to agree to a contract that stands if I deposit 3 btc to mircea_popescu (with the blockchain as security). Can someone tell me that this is a smart procedure?

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Mircea- BINGO

19:11

the btc could come from someone else depositing at the same time.

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BitMarmot but anyway, nm that part.

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mircea_popescu differences in approach, as you know we have. nm indeed

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antonosika it'd still credit you. so they'd be suckers for doing it, but their problem.

19:11

eventually people value candor above all else

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who has time to waste on this shit?

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let alone money

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BlueMeanie4 not all people, no. if people valued candor there'd be a blowout sale on penis aids.

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there's lines of work where honesty is the worst policy.

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just... finance ain't one of them.

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But this isn't specified in the contract. Only "the long holder shall deposit"

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ya shrewdness goes a long way

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antonosika you gotta understand how the legal mind works. you have a beneficial presumption therein embedded.

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BlueMeanie4 I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on character, but go ruthless on the facts

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mircea_popescu exactly

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BitMarmot what are you trying to do anyway.

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brb. Just having fun, I enjoy writing.

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ya I really appreciated that article, but when you watch someone pull this sort of stuff time and time again- it's hard not to get personal

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works.

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BlueMeanie4 tell mpoe-pr that :D

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who?

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mircea_popescu: can someone else vouch for this ?

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BlueMeanie4 aww.

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legal is not my language

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well for a coupla years there was this hot chick on the forum beating the shit out of the innumerable, meanwhile forgotten scammers.

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see

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they all got pissy because "onoes, whai so personal"

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the thing i always look for- they always have an alternative career

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ill deposit if you reformulate the contract

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theyre a 'musician' or a 'pick up artist' or 'author' or some crap

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just one of the many ways mpex wrote teh history of bitcoin that nobody knows about because well... history is hard work.

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or theyre entirely anonymous

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usually a combination of the two

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well most "musicians" are anonymous.

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that's funny, i remember the days "anonymous" used to be an insult.

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do you know how many of these 'celebrated' bitcoin experts have some lame background like this?

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yes. i keep files.

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this doesnt appear to bother the 18 year olds who just bought 2 grand worth of magic beans

19:17

;;google story pointless witless

19:17

The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/>; Smash reviews The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug (very minor spoilers ...: <http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.837882-Smash-reviews-The-Hobbit-Desolation-of-Smaug-very-minor-spoilers>; BIPS, Payment Service Provider (PSP) for Merchants - (1 more message)

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cant view it

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what changed in the past year ? nothing!

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mircea_popescu: starting a contract by only seeing a random transaction in the blockchain is dodgy as hell

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according to whom ?!

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The formulation of the contract

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and it's not random, it's specified.

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random as in not specified where it is from

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the amount is specified

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and "the Long Party"

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yes. this is how bitcoin works.

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easy to argue that it is not from the long party

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yes, but also toothless. doesn't matter where it's from.

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So why not just write " 3.00001 BTC shall be deposited no later than August 31st to ..."

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That's specified

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"Long Party" is not

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provable

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*

mircea_popescu shrugs.

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thats what i was saying- who adjudicates?

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Change it.

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Long Party: YOu are perfectly free to save your own copy of MP's signed contract and sign it your self.

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BingoBoingo: the problem is that it is possible to argue that the deposit was not from the long party

↖

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back

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you all survive without me?

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BlueMeanie4 well that's why i gave you that rota reference. nobody o.O after the attempt at a public court thing failed miserably.

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BingoBoingo: who would be correct in such an argument?

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antonosika: Well if it came from another party that would mean someone else just subsidized the Long Party's purchase

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BitMarmot here's the problem. your effort at being polite has resulted in 2+6k words, in which the idiot in question is arguing he's right.

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Thanks bingo, i just wanted this legal language verified by someone else to seem less dogy

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you may love to write, but no one loves to read.

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so what's the gain here ?

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antonosika it's not dodgy, it's just how i write.

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i went to the hemingway school of law.

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None immediately. It's a long game

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heh. "your penis is too long to fit any woman, so how do you propose to reproduce ?" "not immediately, waiting for it to grow more."

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Something like that

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(im not saying working is bad, it's not. the reason it's good however is that it allows such problems to be discussed)

19:28

BitMarmot: Any thoughts on http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/

19:28

A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog

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last thing, will you check the blockchain and confirm in this chat that you saw the 3.0001 BTC ?

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fuck.

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Judging from the hits though my point got across without hitting the man

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i didn't even pick the right phrase. should have used rickles' "he's making a loss on every sale but hopes to make it up on volume"

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so ultimately you get done what needs to get done without alienating anyone

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a well, esprit d'escalier.

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antonosika okay.

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Be of no doubt, I am overawed by your approach to polemic. But I suspect I probably wouldn't get away with it

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plus not my style

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takes all kinds

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what, decentralized polemics ?

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No, just not giving a damn what other people think

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mircea_popescu: I'll be happy with the outcome of this contract either way, nice to learn new things with you crazy fucks around here.

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antonosika it's everyone's sentiment

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antonosika: Sitting around here and having access to every one in the chan's input is an effect IQ boost

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antonosika anyway, the last clause is there specifically to allow you to limit your risk as you can make me a settlement offer later on and who knows, i might take it.

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(for that matter, it's good policy / common courtest to see if i don't want to overbid in case you're considering assignment)

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kinda how the market was born, irl, centuries ago.

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<+BingoBoingo> BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea //// Before you know it your website will be all "10 Wacky Interesting Things You Never Knew About Marmots"

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mircea_popescu: I'll keep my fingers crossed then.

19:34

BuzzMarmot

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I really do f***ing love marmots

19:34

best animals ever

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why ?

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They're goofy, largely benign troublemaker

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s

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...

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!up BlueMeanie4

19:35

What, MP doesn't have a spirit animal?

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uhm.

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yes, but mine's a scorpion.

19:35

Fitting

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Slime Mold

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precise, fucking dangerous mind-your-own-business law enforcer type.

19:36

<+mircea_popescu> therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin. /// it's more of a scamcoin assimiliation phenomenon!

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ThickAsThieves slime mold :D

19:36

Spirit fungi bro

19:36

wrong kingdom

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BlueMeanie4 if slime molds are animals ima make buenos aires my spirit animal.

19:36

Slime Molds are actually fascinating

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but thats another story

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it's not even genetically coherent for crying out loud.

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yes but they're not animals. they're colonies of animals. like a town.

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well occasionally they go from being a colony to forming into a creature that gets up and moves

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not joking - thats why theyre so strange

19:38

what's this, animism biology ?

19:38

it does move but it's still not an animal.

19:38

mircea_popescu: still got those usenet archives ? << only ever had a hand-sewn, humble archive (a la 'yarchive.net' but not as good.)

19:39

asciilifeform how woud you go about recouping all this guy's usenet stuff ?

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mircea_popescu: but i doubt that google corp. has the only copy of 'dejanews' - ask around.

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yes i am asking around :D

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mircea_popescu: if you're lucky, 'google groups' might have a good fraction of it

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkVhLJLG7ug

19:39

John Bonner's slime mold movies - YouTube

19:40

re: electronic warfare article - the conflation between garden-variety signal jamming and 'emp' circuit zapping is inexcusable and a classic leper's bell of journalistic hacks

19:40

;;ident

19:40

Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.

19:40

damn

19:41

time to export the private key to this machine

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ahh people's assumptions are such a great boon to internet humor. so i go on this blog and butthurt people, everyone assumes that since i speak the language i also live there, it's rioutous.

19:42

;;ident BlueMeanie4

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Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified.

19:43

BlueMeanie4 listen : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing.

19:43

this is even better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_uMH8Xpy0

19:43

Mould Time-lapse - The Great British Year: Episode 4 Preview - BBC One - YouTube

19:46

so my macbook drank a cup of coffee today

19:46

mircea_popescu: when assigning a key to a bot, what is a good way to allow the bot to access it? is a passphrase even practical?

19:46

or more giving a key to a bot...

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gpg agent ?

19:47

but yeah, make it its own key.

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yea. that's what I've been looking into, do you think it's legit though?

19:48

legit over the wire*

19:48

like ssh key forwarding...etc...

19:48

wait, what ?

19:50

i was overthinking it sorry for being dumb

19:50

if bot and key are on same machine, bot daemon can just run gpg agent as a daemon...

19:50

http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/13/aubreystar-31811/images/full/13.jpg << fun fact : girls that walk on high heels don't tend to support themselves on the heel.

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thestringpuller yeah something like that.

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thanks mircea_popescu

19:55

;;later tell BitMarmot Judging from the hits though << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#791057

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Logged on 11-08-2014 23:15:37; mircea_popescu: godovo http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %.

19:55

The operation succeeded.

19:59

!up dsherm

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penguirker

New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/26/replies-to-select-comments/

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thanks bb

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http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/12/anyaamsel-31810/images/full/02.jpg

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dsherm: You are welcome

20:06

was just reading contravex's "deflation isn't bitcoin's problem..." great refreshing read. found this channel there

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how can you have deflation when the money supply is increasing :D

20:06

ah, i missed the marmot.

20:06

;;ticker

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Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 512.79, Best ask: 514.23, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 514.25, 24 hour volume: 6709.59735671, 24 hour low: 502.33, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 509.560882049

20:07

battery did not survive the coffee :(

20:07

its all relative to fiat ;)

20:07

dsherm still. bitcoin is inflaitonary. just, not as much as the various other shitcoins

20:07

dsherm: is that a new one?

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usd or doge or w/e

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nubbins`: did you just ruin a mac?

20:08

i just ruined a mac battery

20:08

better than ruining a mac no?

20:08

the machine itself seems otherwise unscathed

20:08

indeed, yes

20:08

m_p but at least the inflation will end

20:08

what kind of mac battery?

20:08

for the pro?

20:08

dsherm when ?

20:09

i just got a mac book air

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it's an old one 4/4/14

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huh ?

20:10

M_P i was talking about the article from contravex

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late-2008 macbook

20:11

dsherm that's okay, but sitll, bitcoin will continue to inflate well into the 22nd century.

20:11

;;gettrust deego

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user deego: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 17 via 20 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=deego | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deego | Rated since: Tue Jun 19 02:22:41 2012

20:11

at first i thought this must be a scammer play.

20:12

M_P yeah i know but at least the rate of increase will... decrease

20:12

!up Flerb

20:12

Flerb yes, you're supposed to do something to earn trust. o.O

20:12

dsherm sure, and the total amount is upper bound. but see, journos do a lot of sloppy thinking. the total amlunt being upper bound != non inflationary.

20:12

and so on.

20:13

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/08/25/3475190/date-rape-nail-polish << mega-lol - liberasts oppose the 'anti-rape nail polish' product

20:13

Why Rape Prevention Activists Don't Like The New Nail Polish That Can Detect Roofies | ThinkProgress

20:13

ben_vulpes: http://www.operationfabulous.com/advertiser/index.php?e=list << lmao

20:13

Operation Fabulous: Advertise with bitcoins.

20:14

as long as it is a limited useful commodity

20:14

asciilifeform soviet bureaucrats opposed typewriters neh ?

20:14

even funnier

20:14

not even because it works - or doesn't

20:15

"its not necessarily the best way to approach the sexual assault epidemic on college campuses."

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'I dont want to fucking test my drink when Im at the bar. Thats not the world I want to live in.'

20:15

!s have to dip

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4 results for 'have to dip' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=have+to+dip

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don't stop

20:15

dude gtfo, what "epidemic". us colleges used to be this fuckathon, these days they're like fucking nunneries.

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be leeeeeeving

20:15

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509005

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Logged on 16-02-2014 22:03:29; asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke

20:16

Women are already expected to work hard to prevent themselves from becoming the victims of sexual assault. Theyre told to avoid wearing revealing clothing, travel in groups, make sure they dont get too drunk, and always keep a close eye on their drink. Now, remembering to put on anti-rape nail polish and discreetly slip a finger into each drink might be added to that ever-growing checklist something that actu

20:16

ally reinforces a pervasive rape culture in our society.

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o fucking hell.

20:16

what sort of alternative reality is this!

20:16

women are actually expected to walk on four inch heels after the age of 16 so as to deform their calf musculature and get fucking implants once they're 35+

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and to stop bitching about it!

20:17

o and also : IF you want any sort of shot at a decent lay, you're to have full nudes on the internet before you're 18 and aging starts.

20:17

phun phact: knockout drops are alive and well in russia. but they are typically used by women - on men. chemically-assisted pick-pockets.

20:18

perhaps the nail polish - in a transparent variety - will catch on there.

20:18

asciilifeform this is older than dirt. was the premiere reason women ended up forbidden from public places in teh islamic states.

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a millenium+ ago.

20:18

all the greek sluts moved south and went to work.

20:19

scopolamine is popular in some touristy areas of south america as well, or so i'm told

20:19

mircea_popescu, such as?

20:19

tourists helping the thieves move their belongings into the van, etc

20:20

Flerb, how would you earn someone's trust in your day-to-day life?

20:20

nubbins` this is why you take your own bottle and your own whores to the strip joint :D

20:21

also, lol : "While it is occasionally used recreationally for its hallucinogenic properties, the experiences are often mentally and physically extremely unpleasant, and frequently physically dangerous, so repeated use is rare."

20:24

BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne? << if i can be arsed to try and teach someone to read it can scarcely be argued i don't like them.

20:24

!up BlueMeanie4

20:25

mkay

20:25

mircea_popescu: (from one russian commenter) - 'does the nail polish change to warning colour after the fifth martini?'

20:26

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3FQN4BZ.txt )

20:26

!b 2

20:26

fluffypony: "After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book" << clearly no inflation propping up nasdaq. it;'s all just legit money, which is why all art and collectible prices are up 10x

20:26

asciilifeform i thought russians had martini as the vermouth, like romanians.

20:26

;;ident BlueMeanie4

20:26

Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified.

20:27

so as i was saying earlier : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing

20:27

how do i gribble

20:27

;;eauth BlueMeanie4

20:27

Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535

20:27

i did that laready!

20:27

girbble blinked

20:27

if it didn't see you at any point it resets it.

20:27

hafta do it again

20:28

*

asciilifeform talked two chaps who were previously innocent of pgp and (mostly) of irc through the whole shebang. it took - minutes.

20:28

*

asciilifeform doesn't get why people whine

20:28

asciilifeform yeah but you didn't pick them in the street.

20:28

penguirker

New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/some-mendicants-a-hill-moistened-bints-and-deep-breaths/

20:28

even were it wall street.

20:28

shit hanbot's writing like dailyt now.

20:29

ok got the passwd

20:29

;;everify

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hanbot

mircea_popescu haha for very lenient definitions of daily

20:30

;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3

20:30

(everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).

20:30

BlueMeanie4 no name needed. take it out.

20:31

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3

20:31

Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.

20:31

ho hum

20:31

BlueMeanie4 you gotta do the ;;eauth party ourself too!

20:31

you guys dont get hte concept of usability clearly

20:31

eath what?

20:31

<mircea_popescu> ;;everify << you gotta do it, not me.

20:32

;;everify

20:32

(everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).

20:32

it looks and sees a diff guy is putting in the decrypted string and calls shenanigans.

20:32

no, THERE you need the name.

20:32

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3

20:32

Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.

20:32

fuck this

20:32

its the second time i did this

20:32

lol

20:32

this is ridiculous

20:32

i have a degree in CS

20:32

make your system usable for christ sakes

20:33

BlueMeanie4: everify yournickname thatstringstartingwithfreenode

20:33

THATS HWAT I DID BEFORE

20:33

;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3

20:33

(everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).

20:33

BlueMeanie4: I have degrees in Philosphy and preventing rot in bound volumes

20:33

they dont teach pgp in cs?

20:33

asciilifeform now you misguided him!

20:33

BlueMeanie4 keep your cool and think of it ths way :

20:33

let the techno condescention begin

20:33

it's a time tested system to keep idiots out.

20:33

the hassle at the beginning will repay in spades later,

20:33

failed on me.

20:33

when you don't have to deal with them

20:34

*

asciilifeform automated long ago and mostly forgot

20:34

maybe ill try again next year

20:34

usability is good ; barriers to entry are better.

20:34

try it again now, it's not the big deal it looks like.

20:34

you first go ;;everify BlueMeanie4

20:34

shit.

20:34

you first go ;;eauth BlueMeanie4

20:35

;;everify BlueMeanie4

20:35

Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.

20:35

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kakobrekla passed the arian test although black

20:35

then you decrypt the otp and go ;;everify freenode-blabla

20:35

SHIT YOU DONT EVEN KOW HOW TO DO THIS

20:35

and you're done

20:35

BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :)

20:35

;;eauth BlueMeanie4

20:35

Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535

20:36

Now ;;everify "string"

20:36

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:168e59752b337056f22927840844867ab6b0bb171ffd023b46ca4e3c

20:36

You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535

20:36

yay.

20:36

<mircea_popescu> BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :) << I do it by hand

20:36

do i win an internet

20:36

now, because you're so identified, you can go /query assbot

20:36

and in the window that pops say !up

20:36

see ?

20:36

self -serve.

20:37

i may make a contract system that doesnt use irc

20:37

and use it by yourself ?

20:38

although you could potentially use WOT ratings

20:38

irc is an incredibly great system, give yourself some time to discover that first.

20:38

no one can use this thing

20:38

i'm not here because it sucks.

20:38

BlueMeanie4: use telex if you like. still gotta prove you own the private key

20:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00069043 = 24.1996 BTC [+]

20:40

its not about 'using it by yourself'

20:40

if people want to short

20:40

or some other instrumet

20:40

they can do it

20:40

hanbot "demonstrating that perambulatory sculpture of the conspicuously unfucked might as well also possess meterological dominion over those parts of the world otherwise dangerous to honest hard-working folk predisposed to believe in peramwell, you know." ahahaha epic.

20:40

BlueMeanie4 then i don't like you and ddos your system. what now ?

20:41

what makes you htink you can do that

20:41

ha-ha.

20:41

what do they teach in cs these days ?

20:42

so youre threatening any alternatives?

20:42

no dude. i'm just trying to explain internet to you.

20:43

BlueMeanie4: 'to criticise is to volunteer.' suggest your variant.

20:43

the only - the ONLY - reason any website is online right now, google including, whitehouse.org included, is that nobody can be bothered to knock them off.

20:43

that's all.

20:43

im trying to explain USABILITY to you

20:43

you apparently think the whole world has all day to fuck around on IRC

20:43

somewhere they'll fuck around.

20:43

in -otc

20:43

now whether it's irc or a website or anywhere else should come down to a technical discussion

20:43

which is what we're having.

20:43

BlueMeanie4: A disctinct advantage of IRC is its robustness, DDOS'ing even aggressively at best interupts parts or the network rather than killing it.

20:44

the problem with using IRC is that you cant have high speed contract resolutoin

20:44

Yes you can

20:44

theres the problem of competing to execute contracts

20:45

Well nothing useful can be all of high speed, low drag, and robust

20:45

this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious

20:45

thought i hit a roadblock with the poster color separations, wife suggested a solution that's even better than what i'd originally planned

20:45

RIGHT ON

20:45

because the miners can exclude some transactoins and fatally bias the market

20:46

Miners routinely exclude transactions

20:47

sure, and this isnt a problem unless youre doing something where people are competing to be the first

20:47

first person to bid or to execute a contract

20:47

If speed were the greatest virtue public transportation would not be a bus network, but coin operated people howitzers on every street corner

20:47

Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2D4RYSA.txt )

20:47

!b 1

20:48

asciilifeform: I think you missed

20:48

nod

20:48

Instead of the stadium gates you arrived at the parking garage.

20:49

BlueMeanie4: I think a problem is you are confusing particular contracts and contracts in general

20:52

proof is in the pudding

20:52

does anyone use this thing

20:52

the details are in the pudding

20:52

there's a dick surgery song about this very thing

20:52

Contracts available for trading publicly need a centralized exchange. Private contracts need negotiation et al.

20:52

BlueMeanie4: 'usability' << we're using it. and it appears - you are, too. so what kind of 'usability' is lacking ?

20:53

how do you measure success in a software project?

20:53

A private assignment of anything should never have the wires be the limiting factor in its speed of execution, other things will slow it first.

20:53

<BlueMeanie4> this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious << this high speed thing is an unresolved problem in many ways.

20:54

confidence chains was one solution, but you dont really 'p2p' with it

20:54

its more of a distributed system

20:55

mircea_popescu: what fascinates me is how many people whine about 'slow' without saying precisely why they want 'fast', and while remaining entirely innocent of basic kindergarten-level gotchas like 'lamport's clock'

20:55

you'll have to sit down and confront the twinheaded fact that a) before you can improve on something you have to gain good familiariy with it and b) that the temptation to just make as a cheap substitute for understanding is sinful.

20:55

!up cardigm

20:55

asciilifeform no kindergarten i ever heard of shows lamport's clock

20:56

well its not so much a problem of 'slow'

20:56

do you ever use Ebay?

20:56

not personally.

20:56

anyone?

20:56

I've used it.

20:56

have in the past, yep

20:56

and when do 95% of the bids come in on an auction?

20:56

never

20:56

wait, sorry.

20:56

in the last few minutes

20:57

Depends on the good. When I'm buying generally the one that wins comes early.

20:57

it's all about Buy it Now, anyway

20:57

nobody straight-up auctions

20:57

so the problem is in these sorts of systems is people will push the time limits as far as they will go every time

20:57

I know what the good is worth and I bid up to what I am willing to pay.

20:57

that's a general human problem

20:57

why is this a problem ?

20:57

if i can exploit, and it makes me a dollar or two, i will

20:57

mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html

20:57

Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive

20:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00068963 = 15.7925 BTC [-]

20:58

BlueMeanie4: What was you favorite computer you ever owned?

20:58

you better believe if any serious traffic were to happen on this system they would exploit the peculiarities of IRC

20:58

apple II_

20:58

II+

20:58

what's the trilema article about how irc works

20:58

Ah, Imma Mac SE/30 kind of person. There are "now" slow machines, yes

20:58

not being an idiot, asking questions and immediately leaving, etc

20:59

BlueMeanie4 what's your idea of "serious trafic" ?

20:59

i dont know

20:59

lets say 100k changes hands a day

20:59

so then why are you talking about it lol

20:59

so what peculiarities would thus become exposed ?

20:59

i already mentioned it, you can bias the markets by exploiting time responses

20:59

your system seems pretty naive in this regard

21:00

'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.'

↖ ↖ ↖ ↖ ↖

21:00

BlueMeanie4 "seems" ? how does it so seem ?

21:01

because no where do you even indicate that this is a problem

21:01

*

asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.'

↖

21:01

>.<

21:01

BlueMeanie4> i dont know << When's the last time you used your Apple II for a modern task?

21:01

artifexd

;;gettrust assbot deego

21:01

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user deego: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=deego | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deego | Rated since: Tue Jun 19 02:22:41 2012

21:02

BlueMeanie4 you'll have to at least build a theoretical model showing how this attack'd work. kinda how it's done.

21:03

what would happen if one party had the unique ability to either take or leave EVERY contract that was submitted globally?

21:03

and the other actors then got 'sloppy seconds'

21:03

BlueMeanie4: I'm just curious because my Mac SE/30 was useful until rather recently running a decently modern Unix until physical failure.

21:03

Bingo: congrats?

21:04

BlueMeanie4 how would such a party have such an ability ?

21:04

hold on

21:04

and why would it matter ?

21:04

do you accept that this is a problem?

21:05

let's assume that superman flies in before anyone and 'takes or leaves.' how is it a problem ?

21:05

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 944 @ 0.00093 = 0.8779 BTC [-]

21:05

BlueMeanie4 no, and what's worse i don't see a way to translate your formulation of what's a problem in fiat marketplaces into ap roblem here.

21:06

this is a big problem. this leads to market bias.

21:06

looky here : because wot users are identified, and their reputation forms a market hierarchy

21:06

let me guess. 'unfair.'

21:06

parties will have this ability ANYWAY

21:06

well im not opposed to WOT

21:06

WOT is a rating scheme

21:06

and rightfully so. because to the trustworthy goes the business.

21:06

great

21:06

good for WOT

21:06

BlueMeanie4: Don't worry too much about this distinct IRC phenomenon where the channel carries on as many simultaneous conversations as the participants allow.

21:06

come here WOT lets have a group hug

21:07

well yes great but this effect dwarves your problem by degrees of magnitude.

21:07

not at all

21:07

so fifty people want to accept the same contract, and mp says yes and the cp picks mp because hey, he'd rather have mp's cp risk.

21:07

what's the five miliseconds earliness bought the early bird ?

21:07

the cp?

21:07

counterparty

21:07

oh so the cp has the ability to choose?

21:07

of course ?

21:08

so there is ZERO sense of non-bias in your system

21:08

quite.

21:08

its not fatal, but it falls short in some very important ways

21:08

it's so fuckng biased we have a wot to deal with the bias hierarchy

21:08

you cant have highly liquid markets this way

21:08

didn't we go over all of this yest or w/e ?

21:09

you don't want highly liquid markets. you want robust markets.

21:09

what is needed is a way to quickly INTERROGATE the contracts

21:09

as in- determine them

21:09

!up bats_cd03

21:09

lol.

21:09

BlueMeanie4 ever seen http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php ?

21:09

#bitcoin-otc order book

21:09

youre loling and were there any contracts written today?

21:10

lol

21:10

such patience on mp's part

21:10

BlueMeanie4: how many contracts for the purchase of, e.g, gallium, were written today?

21:10

its like a BBS

21:10

BlueMeanie4 it's an otc market. you don't get to know anything the participants don't choose to share.

21:10

BlueMeanie4: is your (or mine) inability to answer this question with a definitive number (x kg, y usd, etc.) a 'problem' ?

21:10

i am blazing new ground here with the very public display of contracts, as for instance seen earlier

21:10

again not saying htis is worthless

21:10

most everyone else does not want to say.

21:11

but im interested in bigger game

21:11

how can we generate millions USD in wealth

21:11

BlueMeanie4 you know, three years ago half of all btc trade happened on otc. 90% ish of the rest was on mtgox.

21:11

hate to borrow from herr clinton, but what does 'generate' mean here ?

21:11

since then, the marketshare of all exchanges together dropped monotonously.

21:11

what does generate mean?

21:12

work on generating 100 btc in wealth first, mate. then go for 10.000.

21:12

gen - latin root for 'create'

21:12

BlueMeanie4 he's inquiring if you're trying to create or redistribute value.

21:12

how can we generate millions USD in wealth << build, say, an aluminum refinery and find a new deposit of bauxite.

21:12

like this answer ?

21:12

yes wealth is CREATED by generating new obligations

21:13

only iyo.

21:13

so - extract. ?

21:13

its not extract

21:13

!s chumpatronics

21:13

102 results for 'chumpatronics' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=chumpatronics

21:13

“But I think we need to think critically about why we keep placing the responsibility for preventing sexual assault on young women.”

21:13

you don't create new wealth by creating new obligations or else a law that'd enact the obligation of pigs to fly would make us all rich.

21:13

when asked about 'creating wealth', i usually think 'creating energy'. can it be done?

21:14

no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier

21:14

nope.

21:14

makes a society wealthier

21:14

lol!

21:14

sure it idoes

21:14

penguirker

New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/26/infosec-education-because-stephane-bortzmeyer-is-lazy-and-im-not/

21:14

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asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled

21:14

thats how a money supply expands

21:14

lol.

21:15

makes somebody wealthier, maybe.

21:15

BlueMeanie4: do you think a finite supply of money is sufficient?

21:15

back in ignoramous paranoia land

21:15

here ill give you an example

21:15

bats_cd03: Any thoughts on how the USG encounter I had, you're closest we have to an expert that I know of

21:15

i was in Belgium for a while and there was a group of people out in the country side

21:15

and they made their own money system, a local currency

21:15

your universe must be small mate

21:15

out of nothing

21:16

and they loaned it to each other to do jobs on eachothers houses

21:16

plumbing, electrical, etc

21:16

this money system allowed them all to have nice houses in belgium

21:16

looky : the mortgages make society poorer not wealthier.

21:16

with no capital

21:16

no thats not at all correct

21:16

now, a little empoverishing itself for the sake of stroking its impatience may be okay

21:16

but if it does a lot of it it ends up like the us.

21:16

either in principle or in practice

21:17

well the people didnt have houses before

21:17

asciilifeform: I don't get the liber-tards argument, are they saying that women ought to be able to slut at the sluttiest parties without attracting unwanted male attention?

21:17

then they had houses

21:17

hey. it seems it'll take a while until this problem will be operationalized enough to be acceptable.

21:17

thats POORER?

21:17

asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled << It seems many of the danielpbarron invites elicit this reaction

21:17

decimation no, they're saying that the betas should be better betas already. i agree with the sentiment.

21:17

decimation: yes. that's actual 'party doctrine', believe it or not

21:17

this notion that everyone's entitled to sexual release gotta go.

21:18

BlueMeanie4 no, but it's not a fair representation of what happened.

21:18

lol not an expert. anyway, i speculate: it could be a combination of due diligence combined with the USG trying to acquire as much btc as possible, theretofore held by citizens not entirely faithful to the fiat gods (e.g. tax evasion, other 'illegal' activities)

21:18

sure it is, I met these people

21:18

of course they had to work

21:18

but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists

21:19

where there was once no houses, or even individual ability to create houses, there was not a usable house

21:19

none of this required debt to operate

21:19

its similar with mortgages, requires capital to get all the specialists together to make a house

21:19

BlueMeanie4 okay, how would the proof that what i say is actually correct and your view mistaken look to you ?

21:19

decimation- try building your own house then

21:20

you think I could buy a house for some gold?

21:20

<BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists << Fraternities at universities do this without the debt. With beer, a good, they manage to trade the good for pledge's dignity.

21:20

if you have enough gold. these people didnt each have enough gold to buy a house, but collectively they had the skills to make houses

21:20

;;ticker

21:20

BingoBoingo doth not scale outside the dunbar number w/o a wot.

21:20

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 513.21, Best ask: 514.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 514.42, 24 hour volume: 6677.18273998, 24 hour low: 502.33, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 509.617291213

21:21

mircea_popescu: Who said anything about scaling. Sewers were a problem for the Spanish because of the scaling involved...

21:21

:p

21:22

i guess he doesn't wanna addres it, but let's take a stab anyway. BlueMeanie4 suppose two people wanted to fuck, and both liked to fuck. in scenario A, they fuck. in scenario B, they exchange obligations to fuck, then fuck.

21:22

now, who's more likely to have had a good fuck ?

21:22

an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day.

21:23

bats_cd03 you got this whole soviet "illegal rich" thing going already ?

21:23

mircea_popescu: it's been SOP for ages.

21:23

bats_cd03: such a person ought to pay taxes and/or have a lawyer

21:23

bats_cd03> an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. << And I bless Jebus I am but a midwestern pauper

21:23

i guess i've been here too long.

21:23

'here': #bitcoin-assets

21:23

asciilifeform "so where do you have it from" "fuck you" is what america is all about.

21:24

mircea_popescu: where do you suppose the fuel to stoke the 'btc at 500 within 1%' engine comes from?

21:24

now that's an interesting point. if only...

21:25

anyway, so fucking ludicrous to see the stone soup argument repackaged by people who five minutes earlier complained of ignoramus land.

21:25

*

asciilifeform did (along with probably everyone else) predict this turn. i.e. - usg separating as many coins as can be turned up from their owners, by whatever means can be brought to bear

21:25

what is this shit even.

21:26

asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway.

21:26

the '500 wars' suggest that they weren't entirely unsuccessful.

21:26

mircea_popescu: well they still have some of the SR stash right?

21:26

seems your understanding of how money works is lacking

21:26

hue hue hue

21:27

asciilifeform the first hour with the whore suggests one's "pickup skills" aren't entirely unsuccessful either.

21:27

BlueMeanie4: all that remains is to ask you - if you believe 'hard money' to be a heresy, why are you here? and not in '#dollar-assets'

21:27

I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft

21:27

sure, for as longas there's money to be made, why not.

21:28

its not a heresy, it's just a lower form of money

21:28

BlueMeanie4 how do you know it's not your understanding of how money works that's the problem ?

21:28

if im not mistaken, it's impossible to produce enough gold to account for all the wealth in the world

21:28

lol.

21:28

*

asciilifeform can't help but picture a coprophagiac walking into a fine restaurant, proceeding to argue - with physical demonstration - his concept of 'fine dining'

21:28

what about nanograms?

21:29

Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point

21:29

surely we can do that. it'd just be... terribly unpractical.

21:29

<+BlueMeanie4> no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier

21:29

my sides

21:29

ikr

21:29

nubbins, it absolutely does

21:29

I provide our present trollish company as proof of the widely distributed ignorance

21:29

mortgages does make people a lot of slaves

21:30

what you fail to see is how the world would be if loans werent available

21:30

there are mnay places that do have this

21:30

they are not places you would want to live

21:30

decimation: lol'd

21:30

BlueMeanie4: loans are available - here. though not to everyone who asks.

21:31

whats 'here'

21:31

youre saying credit doesnt improve your life?

21:31

thats absurd?

21:31

<+BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists <<< you're 100% misunderstanding what happened, by virtue of trying to view it in the wrong frame of perspective.

21:31

BlueMeanie4: a world without loans would be far more rational in its allocation of wealth

21:31

wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness

21:32

maybe we should rewind and assign a reading list. have you read keynesian theory, BlueMeanie4?

21:32

BlueMeanie4: nothing stops a btc user from lending to another

21:32

they didn't say "let us all go into financial debt to each other! you all owe me $100/hr for my plumbing services"

21:32

bats- have you?

21:32

after you have, read some austrian theory. write a 10pg open response.

21:32

they said "hey man, help me wire my house? i'll do your plumbing"

21:32

nubbins, that exactly what they did

21:32

still working through some papers, ya

21:33

and you think Keynes was an austrian?

21:33

BlueMeanie4: your story of paupers proves nothing. if they had to skills to bulid houses, they have the skills to earn money to build houses

21:33

your problem is: you are continuously assigning meaning to that which has none

21:33

true, but the employment opps didnt necessarily exist

21:33

i do not think that.

21:34

so far i have yet to see anyone pose any interesting examples- mainly your typical libertarian bellittleing etc.

21:34

or various immature responses designed to detract away from what is obviously a failed argument

21:35

<decimation> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << Even my FBI agent admitted holding some bitcoin... The Treasury agent though was silent on the matter

21:35

BlueMeanie4: your story concerned a town which printed its own internal currency, yes ?

21:36

something like that

21:36

my city did this once

21:36

not uncommon

21:36

BingoBoingo: brilliant

21:36

these days maybe not

21:36

1982-83

21:36

whats your city

21:36

i've still got a "gilbert dollar"

21:36

st. john's, canada

21:36

<BlueMeanie4> Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point << you would think that in either case.

21:36

ya ok

21:36

BlueMeanie4: this is not an uncommon thing, and exists even here in usa (my local vegetable merchants at the market often trade with each other in primitive wooden coins they've agreed on)

21:36

this is what the average tardstalk forum scammer says, too.

21:37

sure

21:37

bats_cd03> BingoBoingo: brilliant << Not a construction of mine. An event that happen, recorded in my wetware and entered into the public record

21:37

some tourist shops here accept canadian tire money

21:37

i dont think they are a panacea, but rather a tool that can be used to generate wealth

21:37

<BlueMeanie4> they are not places you would want to live << amusingly, the state says this of anarchy all the time. yet i've lived in anarchy and much prefer it to any kind of currently available state.

21:37

although that's at a larger scale again

21:37

BlueMeanie4: no one, afaik, finds this particularly offensive. but how does it follow that the farmers will require a growing supply of the wooden coins?

21:37

be it fascist us or socialist norway.

21:38

asciilifeform :0 +1

21:38

they used to use 'wooden coins' aka tally sticks all the time during the middle ages

21:38

now how would you confuse those two ?

21:38

Or Beads in Manhattan

21:38

tally sticks are an implementation of a bookkeeping system, not coins in any sense.

21:39

BlueMeanie4: see also 'hawala' in moslem world, 1000+ yrs.

21:39

what is your point?

21:39

!up bats_cd03

21:39

<BlueMeanie4> wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness << no, it's a radical view alright.

21:39

;;google "tin women, that's what"

21:39

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21:40

tsk.

21:40

BlueMeanie4: point was a question. how does it follow that a 'flexible' currency supply is a useful thing?

21:40

http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ < there

21:40

The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:40

because it's not limited by some supply of some commodity

21:40

all major money systems today are flexible money supplies

21:40

BlueMeanie4: if city hall were to bring in a truck full of wooden coins, would this cause the requisite trainload of produce to materialize ?

21:41

BlueMeanie4 you offering call options?

21:41

this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems

21:41

gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality

21:42

<BlueMeanie4> this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems << you know you're repating this like it's the hail mary of your faith.

21:42

is it ?

21:42

these questions are reminding me that I need to look at cat pictures

21:42

<BlueMeanie4> gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality << of fucking course. what gave you the ridiculous notion that we're about equality ?

21:43

the point of bitcoin is to make equality impossible and life miserable for the majority.

21:43

it also helps gravity to keep working

21:43

ill leave it at this

21:43

as most of these dicussions go

21:44

im not arguing for some strange mythical world- this is how it currently works

21:44

well what do you expect. come here with exotic priors, expect everyone to accept them or else you gotta go watch cat pictures ?!

21:44

youre advocating something that is not only unsupported in principle, it doesnt exist in reality either

21:44

and strangely you believe you are the position to scoff at these points when they correspond fully to how our system works right now

21:44

seems to be existing just fine, but yeah, that's a point that can wait. might as well revisit it after it's inevitable and you know, cut in stone.

21:45

BlueMeanie4 if your system worked we wouldn't be here.

21:45

so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well

21:45

and we all know this is just a characteristic of a cult

21:45

your system is so fucking dead it's funny to watch.

21:45

hahahahaha

21:45

careful consideration is a characteristic of a cult. jeez, what isn't these days.

21:46

you dont have a system, all you have is a few people roughly convinced you have an alternative

21:46

thats comical

21:46

"you got exotic priors" "they're widely accepted on my island" "so ?" "so you're a cult" "what's your island again ?" "Easter island."

21:46

totally.

21:46

BlueMeanie4: you realize your argument of "all the cool countries do it" is not convincing?

21:46

i dont have to convince anyone

21:46

yeah, you kinda do.

21:46

"all the cool countries do it"?

21:46

see, the nude emperor system does depend on everyone staying convinced.

21:46

just as 'are you paranoid if the gasenwagen is actually on its way,' -- 'are you still in a cult if the alien comet ship is actually parked in orbit, and waiting to pick you up?'

21:46

hard money however does not. it will convince you right into the ground.

21:47

the problem is that the countries who didnt benefit from capitalism have a tendency to buy these broken ideas

21:47

unfortunately it's not going to get you anywhere

21:47

lolwut.

21:47

these borken ideas ARE capitalism.

21:47

b-but, inequality?

21:47

what you got going there in teh socialist states of the americaz however is not.

21:48

later

21:48

<BlueMeanie4> so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well << No, this is reactionary, a return to principles more basic than any Tea Partier in a costume can imagine

21:50

*

asciilifeform wonders what gear these folks will change into when it dawns on them that -all- of their gods are being pissed on, vs. an arbitrary selection thereof

21:50

incl. 'equality' and 'democracy'

21:51

and rounding off with the 'greatest good for greatest number' crapolade.

21:51

should be fun. but anyway, bbl.

21:51

asciilifeform: they will be derping to themselves as they dig ditches or whatever

21:51

decimation: only when they're done preying on the living

21:52

i've been watching Attack on Titan, on netflix. is p good.

21:52

*

danielpbarron slaps BingoBoingo around a bit with a large invite

21:52

the thing is, he's absolutely right, the world is all his way right now.

21:52

which brings us back to >> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << does one need to understand the structure of Au atom to plunder gold coins ?

21:53

would recommend!

21:53

asciilifeform: no but someone in charge needs to issue the proper orders, I doubt even this exists

21:53

danielpbarron: Lulz

21:53

you guys don't have to !up them

21:53

!s http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ

21:53

Taylor Swift quotes by @SwiftOnSecurity - Imgur

21:53

1 results for 'http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2Fa%2F1PDRJ

21:54

danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo to get the ability to up themselves

21:54

i just invited another guy; he wrote a blog post as a rebuttal to that "PGP should die" thing

21:54

bats_cd03: I'm very picky with anime lol

21:55

I even find Trigun hard to watch sometimes.

21:55

whats hard to watch about Trigun?

21:55

decimation: no need for fuhrer's orders. plenty of usg viceroys, on various levels, are in a position to plunder coin. some will wake up and understand that this gives them a shot at living slightly longer - and do it.

21:55

danielpbarron: I don't mind doubters, I just want one with the ability to provide points that rate above the "derp" level

21:56

a national 'shadow treasury' for the loot to end up in - is not a necessary hypothesis.

21:56

asciilifeform: there is a point there. when bitcoin ramps up another order of magnitude in price, the "plunder" signal is plain for all to see

21:57

at some point the dollar/bitcoin price becomes a bat-signal that psychologically overwhelms the "it's not money" derpage

21:57

09:54 <+BingoBoingo> danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo << do you mean they socially engineer their way in? (because the ability to !up yourself depends on the approval of at least 1 pre-existing member)

21:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00068911 = 5.065 BTC [-]

21:57

;;gettrust assbot BlueMeanie4

21:57

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21:58

O.o

21:58

ohhh SNAP

21:58

what is trusted can also be untrusted

22:00

;;rate BlueMeanie4 -1 usg muppet.

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http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/id.16186,y.2014,no.3,content.true,page.1,css.print/issue.aspx

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American Scientist - The Magazine of Sigma XI, The Scientific Research Society

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Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.

22:00

'the quest for randomness'

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Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/240Y916.txt )

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!b 7

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bats_cd03: the most interesting part of such articles is, as often the case - what isn't said.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpiQiySOHE

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YTCracker - Surgerunner - YouTube

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asciilifeform: go on

22:02

bats_cd03: that is - the implicit endorsement of the pseudoscientific concept of 'random'

22:02

i figured, but had to ask

22:03

was browsing msdn yesterday -- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ff975191%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

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canPlayType method (Internet Explorer)

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canPlayType() returns... "", "probably", "maybe"

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bats_cd03: i dunno. i guess i rate things on a scale of lupin the third to cowboy bebop

22:03

which isn't even a bad...good scale more like a "weird...straight forward" scale

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asciilifeform: it reads like mathematical masturbation to me

22:03

if that makes any sense

22:03

bats_cd03: 'random' means one thing if you're running 'monte carlo' sims (digits of 'pi' work beautifully, as does 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (rand corp, 1955. book.))

↖ ↖

22:04

and quite another for cryptography

22:04

watch as I abuse the assumptions in this formula... next week, I try another!

22:05

i am but a simpleton in regards to cryptography

22:05

(where the only thing that matters is the difficulty, for the enemy, of obtaining prior knowledge of the bits, and not any measurable mathematical attribute per se)

22:05

!up dsherm

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thanks

22:06

bats_cd03: the subject has very little to do with cryptography in the usual sense. it touches on what can only be described as a philosophical confusion (a deliberately-propagated one, at that.)

22:06

nice to witness hard money supporters in action

22:07

asciilifeform: in this sense cryptography is "fragile" in Taleb's way of thinking - it has a very deep but very tiny "crack"

22:08

decimation: the 'crack' of - if the enemy learns your key, yer phucked?

22:08

!up vmuser

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asciilifeform: yes that, but even more - you must keep the tools to 'break' it yourself to make it useful

22:08

vmuser

Why +m if everybody gets +v? :)

22:09

dsherm: are you a fan of hard money?

22:09

vmuser: Because not everyone keeps +v

22:09

decimation: in the sense that you possess the plaintext at some point ?

22:09

vmuser

Fair enugh

22:10

only got interested in econ post 2008

22:10

asciilifeform: yes, and the keys

22:10

asciilifeform: thus leading to the logic that someone must create a useful 'secure terminal'

22:10

decimation: and the keys << nope. go encipher an rsa message to me and then break it without my priv key

22:10

or your plaintext

22:11

decimation: i think hard money specifically crypto/btc is the tool that will drive us towards a better social structure

22:11

asciilifeform: right, but in the current computing world that exists, you must reveal your secrets to some von nuemann machine

22:12

/s/nuemann/neumann/

22:12

decimation: i and perhaps a few other people did suggest, half-seriously, that people could learn to carry out, e.g., rsa, using mental arithmetic shortcuts of some variety

22:12

but if captured by the enemy, you still confess the plaintext when hanging upside down over a nice hot fire

22:13

this is not a shortcoming of cryptography.

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asciilifeform: this is true. putting the 'weak link' on the human's shoulders puts a spotlight on his foibles

22:14

'mental rsa' is mostly useful as a gedankenexperiment.

22:14

for ferreting out just what it is that people really want.

22:14

it's possible that a public key encryption system could exist that would be mentally tractable

22:15

if you could somehow harness the considerable mass of neural tissue devoted to various 'everyday' tasks for this purpose - it is certain.

22:15

like the 3-d calculus required to catch a ball?

22:15

consider the methods 'mnemonists' (a kind of stage magician) use to memorize multiple kBytes of, e.g, the digits of 'pi'

22:16

and/or, the several known mental arithmetic systems, like the kind invented by trachtenberg (while starving in auschwitz!)

22:16

dsherm: I agree with you, I don't see how the world 'reverses' bitcoin as an invention

22:17

asciilifeform: some kind of 'memory palace' with a calculator :)

22:17

decimation: catch a ball << bad example. when high-speed photography appeared, people learned that man (and dog, and circus lion) do not catch balls by computing integrals, but through 'bang-bang correction'

22:18

which is not to say that one could not, hypothetically, compute a numerical solution to something-or-other by tossing balls.

22:18

decimation: well they're gonna try. soon i suspect? i also wonder if bitcoin is the black swan that causes the next crisis

22:18

but we were contemplating specifically mental computation.

22:19

s/causes/blamed for

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asciilifeform: yeah this brings up stuff that humans do well that computers cannot

22:20

*

asciilifeform merely argues that mental rsa is not the total absurdity it appears to be on first glance

22:21

!s karatsuba anthem

22:21

2 results for 'karatsuba anthem' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=karatsuba+anthem

22:21

(fictional)

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asciilifeform: it does seem that mental rsa is more likely to be useful than a totally new system

22:22

decimation: not that we're necessarily stuck with rsa for all time, but the burden of proof on anyone suggesting an alternative is bowl-loosening, if you apprehend it.

22:23

*bowel

22:23

asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues)

22:24

were it not for the doubts, folks would piss on the patents

22:24

as they did on rsa's.

22:24

asciilifeform: what do you think about djb's curve parameters?

22:25

he seems less likely to be a tool of usg than others, but maybe that's what they want us to think..

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asciilifeform if knew anything worth saying - wouldn't say

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or, more specifically, wouldn't have waited to be asked

22:27

asciilifeform: good point. for the interested: http://cr.yp.to/ecdh.html

22:27

Curve25519: high-speed elliptic-curve cryptography

22:27

+i

22:27

*

asciilifeform is always entertained when people come and ask, e.g., 'can you break rsa?'

22:28

'can you fart a thermonuke?' --- 'sure, just this one time, only for you'

22:28

;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist

22:28

Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

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authed

22:29

lol, scientist

22:29

since when am I not

22:29

;;ident

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Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!b861d201@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.184.97.210.1', is not identified.

22:29

;;eauth TheNewDeal

22:29

Request successful for user TheNewDeal, hostmask TheNewDeal!b861d201@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.184.97.210.1. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DFBEC17DF96DFB77

22:31

perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings

22:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00068911 = 6.96 BTC [-]

22:31

no way

22:31

then some asshat could just give you a large neg rating

22:31

not a weighted average

22:31

;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:67f5ee9a233015ace7f97d653aa7641f771e48d20b95b6c5504d1317

22:31

You are now authenticated for user TheNewDeal with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77

22:32

if 10 people rate you -1, should that be balanced by one 10?

22:32

;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist. may negrate soon

22:32

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.

22:35

have there been a larger than normal amount of random names dropping by for a day as of late?

22:37

!up dsherm

22:37

thx

22:39

TheNewDeal: i will probably be one of those guys. i gotta learn how to use this irc thing

22:39

first

22:39

dsherm: what brought you here?

22:40

was reading contravex blog

22:41

tell us more

22:41

what was the contravex blog blagging about

22:41

i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots

22:42

TheNewDeal: bitcoin and deflation

22:42

reddit has libertarian roots? what now?

22:43

5 thumbs up http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/

22:43

The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:43

this is one of my pet peeves. bitcoin is not libertarian

22:43

it's bitcoin

22:44

danielpbarron: well r/bitcoin used to be more libertarian

22:45

dsherm: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly

22:45

TheNewDeal: Bitcoin is hard money which appeals to libertarians

22:45

sure, but it appeals to democrats, republicans, and anarchists, and anyone on the earth with more than 5 brain cells and a computer

22:47

TheNewDeal: Well, a difference is who it appealed to and when

22:47

TheNewDeal: well then a greater percentage of anarchists seem to have more than 5 brain cells

22:47

i think it appealed to cryptographers first and foremost

22:48

TheNewDeal: i suspect those crypto were also libertarians

22:49

RagnarDanneskjol

that makes sense - the dewey decimal system is rather cryptic

22:49

suspect what you will. I'm just saying it appeals to those who understand it, and I've seen cases of libertards not doing that

22:50

TheNewDeal: the pro-state element (most of whom you named) certainly are not fans of hard money, insofar as it upsets the status quote (state controls money)

22:50

<BlueMeanie4> i have a degree in CS

22:50

<BlueMeanie4> make your system usable for christ sakes << paha cs-folken can't in2 gpg and gribble?

22:50

did he ever get it?

22:50

TheNewDeal: They may understand bitcoin but do they understand the implications of it

22:50

;;gettrust bluemeanie4

22:50

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22:51

asciilifeform: what's the deal with your rating of bluemeanie4?

22:51

ben_vulpes: read log ?

22:51

many of the pro-statists don't like the status quo. Haven't you seen all the hippies complain about the 1%?

22:51

asciilifeform: no fun, you

22:51

obummer ran on the pretense of "Change"

22:52

TheNewDeal: good point. it would be a mistake to attempt to analyze pablum with logic

22:52

TheNewDeal: they like the status quo just fine, in most aspects. just not the present allocation of the loot.

22:53

!up jborkl

22:53

as moldbug would say, the pro-state element survives on the promise of getting an ever shrinking shard of 'power'

22:53

Thank you

22:53

salud jborkl

22:53

do you have a wot handle?

22:53

Jborkl_

22:54

;;gettrust Jborkl_

22:54

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Jborkl_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Jborkl_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jborkl_ | Rated since: Tue Nov 6 13:11:21 2012

22:54

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811157

22:54

Logged on 27-08-2014 01:01:27; *: asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.'

22:54

did you find it?

22:55

TheNewDeal: wtf is a 'usg scientist' in this context? something akin to 'christian scientist' (TM) ?

22:55

Damn 2012, I have to get a life

22:55

<nubbins`> there's a dick surgery song about this very thing << where's the dick surgery album?

22:55

kakobrekla: sadly not

22:56

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asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though

22:56

Bet placed: 1.09570735 BTC for No on "Gold will close above USD 2000 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/759/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.51127835 BTC. Current weight: 33,377.

22:56

k

22:56

decimation: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly....why is lib silly

22:56

asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though << one of many reasons I advertise my drinking, keeps this feasible

22:57

asciilifeform he's a usg scientist inasfar as he believes he knows the cures to all the problems in bitcoin, but in actuality, he only thoroughly understands what makes the USG machine so shitacular

22:57

How did the mike_c IPO go? Did not keep up enough lately

22:57

Hearn?

22:57

i thought hallucinations are default in us.

22:57

jborkl: I believe everything sold above the advertised price

22:57

dsherm: by what means are you going to limit the size of the state?

22:58

i'm a usian and I can testify to that fact kakobrekla

22:58

TheNewDeal: to usg, the only 'problem in bitcoin' is that it exists.

22:58

Sweet , that is great

22:58

*

asciilifeform hallucinations are default in us << was not supplied with the correct drugs by warden, reduced to sobriety

22:59

;;google bud light whatever colorado

22:59

Crested Butte to be Bud Light's 'Whatever' town - US News: <http://www.usnews.com/news/offbeat/articles/2014/08/26/crested-butte-to-become-bud-lites-whatever-town>; Is Crested Butte up for Bud Light's "Whatever" campaign? It just ...: <http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26404271/crested-butte-up-whatever>; Do Good Have Fun | Bud Light Events: <http://www.budlight.com/do-good-have- (1 more message)

22:59

decimation: it was limited in the past by an inferior form of hard money called gold.

22:59

asciilifeform: welcome to the desert of the real

22:59

;;google lem futurological congress drug

22:59

The Futurological Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Futurological_Congress>; Stanislaw Lem, The Futurological Congress and the Future of Illusion: <http://www.transparencynow.com/introlem2.htm>; The Futurological Congress: From the Memoirs of Ijon Tichy ...: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Futurological-Congress-Memoirs- (1 more message)

23:00

;;ticker

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Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.77, Best ask: 515.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.18000, Last trade: 514.91, 24 hour volume: 6391.36590481, 24 hour low: 503.81, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 510.090272665

23:01

(visitor to faraway planet takes forbidden 'sobriogenic' pill, notices that no robots, only idiots who think they're robots; takes a yet more forbidden pill, notices other things are absent as well... etc)

23:01

ben_vulpes how is the advertising going?

23:01

dsherm: there is some point to this, but as long as the state has a 'monopoly on violence' this isn't much of a limit

23:01

couple thousand coins sitting between 500, not the ten thousand there were before the dip

23:02

jborkl: some amount of market validation. still mostly insiders.

23:02

running on bitbet now, coinroll's advertising a bit now

23:02

decimation: you need to be able to pay for that monopoly though

23:03

I think it is a terrific idea and good timing

23:03

dsherm: that is a good point

23:03

jborkl: You see the stats on the venue page yet? http://van-ads.com/venues

23:03

Vulpes Ad Network

23:03

asciilifeform sounds like a fun book

23:04

kakobrekla: it is.

23:04

gotta run bye and thx

23:04

*

BingoBoingo not sure it has been 7 days since those started and BitBet's started last night

23:04

^^ that's true enough

23:04

bitbet slander !

23:04

its a pretty dumb-dumb implementation of impression tracking too - bitbet's numbers are only going to go up for the next 5 days or so

23:05

hey at least bitbet has > 10% uptime

23:05

dun know by how much but

23:05

> 20 by now.

23:05

oh twenty hey

23:05

eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

23:05

Nice, not I had not seen that yet

23:05

!up eightyeight

23:05

!up eightyeight

23:05

BitBet is going to win the impressions race

23:06

Unless MP saves an obscure but beloved software project again

23:06

not that those are umbers that really matter

23:06

eightyeight

thx

23:06

asciilifeform got a pdf or somesuch per chance?

23:06

eightyeight: WHAT---is your name?

23:06

kakobrekla: in what language ?

23:06

lol.

23:07

eightyeight: WHAT---is your quest?

23:07

english would do

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asciilifeform saw one english translation, it was terrible

23:07

ben_vulpes: They don't matter beyond telling fluffypony to STFU and blog moar

23:07

a.

23:07

that bad?

23:07

get it in some, any, slavic one

23:07

yeah fluffypony you gotta make some posts b

23:07

asciilifeform: If you offer a pdf, I'll take whatever language kako accepts

23:08

eightyeight

ben_vulpes: to seek the holy grail!

23:08

not that those are umbers that really matter << they matter.

23:08

sadly

23:09

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#793473

23:09

Logged on 12-08-2014 21:19:59; asciilifeform: mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'...

23:09

asciilifeform: the purist

23:09

BingoBoingo: http://lib.misto.kiev.ua/LEM/futuro.txt

23:09

: . / /

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plain ascii txt.

23:10

asciilifeform: Thanks, I'll chew on it

23:10

http://vk.com/doc-43066394_195440371?hash=a20d107bab2e1c016a&dl=4de11202a3bbaf8cf4

23:10

Lem Stanislaw - Kongres Futurologiczny.pdf

23:10

asciilifeform that book looks awesome

23:10

^original

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(pl)

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asciilifeform: vk.com is an excellent place to find original krtek videos

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ben_vulpes: purist << just that 'my site has adz now' is worth more to me than pocket change

23:11

as well as all kinds of soviet strange

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anywhere to find an engrish version :(

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TheNewDeal: engrish version << library?

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TheNewDeal: You've never chewed on strange languages before?

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asciilifeform: it's not any kind of a denigration

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Ben_vulpes. Explain how it pays? Not sure on the pool btc

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i've only dabbled in spanish

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ah well you see people bid what they're willing to pay for a day

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every day has a pool, the sum of coins bid on it for that day

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each ad runs proportionately to its bid relative to the rest of the pool

23:12

venue operators rake in 99% of the bids. we take the bitcoin gold standard 1%.

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TheNewDeal: I'm rushing to get to speaking, but dictionary assisted reading is like a nice puzzle

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asciilifeform would ask for the ads, if he had any reason to think that some weirdo would bid enough right away to recompense for 'my site ever had ads'

23:13

in russian? or what is that language :/

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TheNewDeal: Identifying the language is the most fun part

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asciilifeform: i think we all understand where your ask is and where the bids currently are. as much as i'd love to have the slot, you have to want it as well for the deal to make any sense for both of us.

23:14

it's supposed to be a win-win.

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ben_vulpes: yes. just explaining the mechanics.

23:14

russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian

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some things simply resist commercialism

23:14

have you read of book We?

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TheNewDeal: even if you don't care for languages at all - learn it, and it's as if copyrasty never existed

23:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6935 @ 0.00068889 = 4.7775 BTC [-] {2}

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the book*

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BingoBoingo rememebers "There's no such thing as a standard deal" bandied about here before

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virtually every book ever printed, in plain text.

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copyrasty?

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copyright

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ahhh

23:15

;;ud pederasty

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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pederast | Used incorrectly in the media as another word for pedophilia, pederasty is commonly confused for the obsession or desire for child pornography. Pederasty is ...

23:15

all kinds of fiat research has shown improvements in multiple cognitive traits in the multilingual

23:16

bang-up programmers work well in a myriad of environments.

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decimation: not that this can be ruled out, but it smells of the same logic that would have us all move to japan to extend lifespan

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asciilifeform: this is true, it does seem to beg the question

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asciilifeform: Or would have us all typing lojban

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;;later tell mike_c what's going on with the War, man?

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The operation succeeded.

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deliberate reversal of the 'arrow of causation' is a favourite tactic of academtards

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mike_c's on vacation yo

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'get married, you'll grow taller'

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his website took a shit

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i thought its 'fatter'

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Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DHCF5A.txt )

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!b 3

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fatter - works.

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taller - not so much

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asciilifeform: indeed. usually this reversal of causation is a way to route around politically incorrect truths

23:20

<BlueMeanie4> thats how a money supply expands << i'm quite excited about this monetary system without insane expansion all the time.

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ben_vulpes: trolls, feeding of

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i do what i want

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lol

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ben_vulpes: note he didn't answer my question about a finite quantity of money being sufficient

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who cares

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all i know is that the house is on fire

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(don't complain if it gets wet when i put it out...)

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funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun

23:22

In considering ben_vulpes ad platform we knwo the people who have advertised on the blogs established in #b-a's life and wonders who will come of of the shadows to advertise on Loper... because unexpected figures may emerge...

23:22

lol

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BingoBoingo: actually, you don't know the people.

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all you know are the links they're linking.

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asciilifeform won't hold breath waiting for this manna from sky

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decimation is depressed about usg beating the new new new iraq war drums

23:23

is this 8 Восьмой ?

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even all i know is the gpg key the user uses to sign up and any funding addresses

23:23

ben_vulpes: I remember stumbling into asciilifeform's hypercard post well before I did the same into bitcoin... Through /. of all places

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ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ?

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well its not free.

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aha!

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and it's not strictly a minimum.

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asciilifeform doesn't expect freebies. but won't pay to construct manna-from-sky catcher.

23:25

but you can run your own ad whatever fraction of the time you're willing to pay for...

23:25

how much for 0 seconds?

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mind you van still takes 1% of your baseline pool, even though the rest goes back directly to you.

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tanstaafl, so to speak.

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-ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else)

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and a complicated optimization problem to boot.

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ben_vulpes we'll eventually issue a compilation, but you can find that particular song somewhere on our website

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;;calc 0.0015 * 365 * 0.01

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0.005475

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ben_vulpes: seems like a cool system, but would Leibniz decorate his Theodicee with ads for cookies?

23:27

cookies today, dubloons tomorrow.

23:28

bitcoins at all times.

23:28

decimation: if peter I pays, sure.

23:28

decimation: but he paid more than pocket change.

23:28

<asciilifeform> -ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else) << Between the benevolent Kakobrekla donation and the MP seeding on the Van ads first month, if I hold long enough maybe I'll be able to wrest Alpha from Intel and host the blog on 22nm chips of a not shitty heritage...

23:28

see BingoBoingo's looking at the long term. patience, stamina...

23:29

ah see, sale of anal virginity is a non-linear business

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he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform does

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this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing

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asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас'

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<ben_vulpes> he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform doe << I do, but on a different standard. asciilifeform's blog has been going much longer than mine and with greater sustained excellence

23:30

different points on the trajectory

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well, curve.

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asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/2/23/Bahlsen_alte_Produkte.jpg/640px-Bahlsen_alte_Produkte.jpg

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decimation: lol. and 'tesla' cars. etc

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* asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас' :(

23:31

perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo.

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asciilifeform: lol

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<asciilifeform> perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo. << Sure, sold in the under 12 section in the toy store

23:32

;;google harry potter vibrating broom

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Harry Potter and the Vibrating Broom - Top 10 Dubious Toys - TIME: <http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1927306_1927313_1927329,00.html>; 15 Unintentionally Perverted Toys for Children | Cracked.com: <http://www.cracked.com/article_18494_15-unintentionally-perverted-toys-children.html>; Amazon.com: Harry Potter Broom: Toys & Games: (1 more message)

23:34

i vaguely recall some weirdo suggested, one time, offering money for tattoo ad space.

23:34

how do you suppose most people would react to 'taking it slowly' for that one?

23:34

<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway. << crickets i tell ya crickets

23:34

http://trilema.com/2014/a-sad-story-illustrated/

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A sad story, illustrated pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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lol

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Loper is bigger than WaPo

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asciilifeform recalls actually having a fresh post that month, to be fair

23:37

'We have established what you are, madam. We are now merely haggling over the price.'

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asciilifeform: Der Werbeslogan lautete 1898: „Was ißt die Menschheit unterwegs? Na selbstverständlich Leibniz Cakes!“ "The 1898 advertisement: What does humanity eat while on the move? Why Leibniz Cakes of course!

23:39

a proper 'leibniz cake' would probably be topped with 'panzerschokolade'.

23:39

it goes on to say that apparently Leibniz researched a method for producing a hard biscut for feeding soldiers on the march

23:42

apparently he came up with something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwieback

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Zwieback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

23:43

also a favourite cuisine in russian prisons.

23:43

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BingoBoingo wonders if asciilifeform is a sufficient masochist to try building Loper on the back of his MIPS or if MIPS workstation will be an intermediate product...

23:43

asciilifeform: did the zeks eat melba toast

23:44

there's even an expression, 'сухари сушить' - 'to dry [your] breadings' - meaning to prepare for prison

23:44

asciilifeform: lol

23:44

yeah i have it on the counter.

23:44

BingoBoingo: 'can't go to the moon by stacking chairs'

23:44

BingoBoingo: MIPS workstations are easy to purchase, buy an old sparc

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decimation: SPARC is RISC, sure, but not quite minimal instruction..

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.

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asciilifeform has desk covered in perfectly ordinary, off-the-shelf mips workstations. none cost > 10 usd.

23:45

BingoBoingo: write your own "brainfuck" machine on fpga if you want minimal

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(none is much bigger than a deck of cards.)

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asciilifeform: do you also have one of those tadpoles?

23:46

surely those are available surplus for cheap these days

23:47

"brainfuck" machine on fpga >> nope. (why not? >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55)

23:47

Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.

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BingoBoingo envisions not ancientware or deck or cards but something that fits in an ATX case, roughly 2009 midrange intel performance

23:47

decimation: Tadpole laptops are still as expensive as fuck

23:47

BingoBoingo: pick up an 'octane'

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(why you want it? i've no idea. but there they are.)

23:48

BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus

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asciilifeform: I've looked at the SGI octane

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asciilifeform: well it is certainly true that 'brainfuck' is not a habitable bedrock

23:48

it would beg to be 'compiled'

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decimation> BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus << I imagine problem is more akin to why everything Alpha is still as expensive as fuck

23:49

BingoBoingo: a well-worn alpha is dirt cheap. i threw away five of them a few years ago.

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(put on 'ebay', no one bid.)

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asciilifeform: But the later ones have this dilema where they are advertised for quite a bit or scrapped

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decimation remembers playing with alpha machine circa 2001, thinking it was quaint

23:50

the only actual good thing about the alpha was that the spec fit in a thin paperback book.

23:50

same re: mips.

23:50

nothing magical here.

23:51

usg doesn't allow its surplus computers which have touched anything sensitive to return to reality unharmed

23:51

probably 90% of the tadpoles/alphas were sold into that market I suspect

23:52

this is a recent thing, or there'd be no surplus 'symbolics' hardware at all.

23:52

now they have 'shoot here' stickers on cheapo 'dell' laptops.

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(why? churn inventory. 'everybody's happy.')

23:52

asciilifeform: back in WWII almost nothing was classified

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smbx was king at the height of reaganoid spymania

23:53

http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/

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A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo Blog

23:53

but 'in WWII almost nothing was classified' is mistake. witness the rarity of 'norden's bombsight' even in museums today.

23:54

Well, you don't need classified when everyone is treated like adults

23:54

asciilifeform: well, I did say almost. "routine" information that would be classified today was generally not, back then. of course things like ULTRA were classified

23:54

the historical roots of today's SOP are in the 'born secret' doctrine of u.s. nuke work

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see -

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http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/08/29/forbidden-spheres

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Forbidden spheres | Restricted Data

23:55

lol ebay search for 'tadpole' turns up... baby frogs

23:55

asciilifeform: If true, that's ironic considering the total failure of anyone to keep those secrets from day one

23:55

'A security officer informed him that the orange he left on his desk was, in fact, a classified object. He learned that any spherical object became a nuclear secret once it passes over the line...'

23:58

asciilifeform: well, I imagine that these 'security officers' were not highly trained physicists for one thing. which brings up the point - how does usg keep its secrets if its security officers are not smart enough to understand them?

23:59

one imagines such cargo cults must be rampant

23:59

'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' etc

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