| 00:00 |
asciilifeform |
and no need for bdb, boost, turdolate on other box |
| 00:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu lol |
| 00:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu won't give us his soviet calculator proggy, dooming us to rewrite it |
| 00:00 |
* |
mircea_popescu hires some lobbysts to sit on the standards group and prevent this evil. |
| 00:00 |
mod6 |
yeah, but personally, i wanna start simple. and then work our way up to major changes. |
| 00:00 |
mod6 |
if do slash and burn first, we're gonna have unforseen issues |
| 00:01 |
mod6 |
and noone wants that |
| 00:01 |
asciilifeform |
slash&burn first is more or less what we're doing |
| 00:01 |
asciilifeform |
(assuming we're doing something) |
| 00:01 |
decimation |
slash and burn makes for more readable code |
| 00:01 |
* |
asciilifeform hasn't done particularly much something |
| 00:01 |
* |
asciilifeform just wanted a goddamned book he could take to the forest and go Hmmm with |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
that's how troubles start. |
| 00:02 |
mod6 |
eh, yeah, these things are all great ideas. and necessary. but i think the best course of action is to get something up and working as a baseline with the most minimal changes possible so we have something to run when derpistan puts in the hardfork |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
no but seriously, and somewhat from experience : while the serial thing is a solid design, i suspect it's also a bridge too far |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly a better idea to keep things sane and incrementally improve ? |
| 00:02 |
mod6 |
that's plausibly only 8 weeks out. and we'd better have something to run by then. i don't wanna be chasing crazy changes down when we could have just gotten something simple running first. |
| 00:02 |
* |
asciilifeform oils gachette of slash&burn blaster |
| 00:03 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> prolly a better idea to keep things sane and incrementally improve ? << this is the way it must be done. even though slash and burn feels so damn good. |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 it's not happening, at all. but that notwithstanding, you do have a solid point, as a general thing. and 8 weeks is certainly narrower a frame than anything usgavin&co can do. |
| 00:03 |
mod6 |
understood. i worry about these jokers. |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
they're much less apt than they pretend to be. but that aside : ineptitude of the enemy is no excuse to derp. |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
these are all valuable changes. just, i'm persuaded by your smaller steps approach. |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
theoretical conflict of interest or no. |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
doesn't get any smaller or simpler than scuttling the obvious crud. |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
i gave example. |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform well the discussion is if the json-rpc part is in the obvious crud or in the eventual crud group |
| 00:05 |
mod6 |
and it's a great example. but it makes me nervous. cutting out stuff like that in something as poorly written as this is just ... frightning. |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
json parser - crap |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
here's some unambiguous crap - ssl |
| 00:06 |
mod6 |
who knows what effects can be seen.... and sure, i could spend 3 months with gdb just trying to chase stuff down. this is going to be a methodical process of eradication. |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
(not the ecdsa calls - well, them too, ought to be redone - but the https idiocy. needs to go.) |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform how about this for a principle : step 1, take all the stuff that can be taken out without therefore forcing different stuff being put in ; step 2 take out the stuff that needs replacement, sorted by the complexity of the needed replacement, ascending. |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
that was my suggestion |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
from the start |
| 00:07 |
mod6 |
you have some great ideas about changes that need to be made. and I really do think we'll get to doing them. bitcoin will be better for it. |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
that means the json crap stays for now doesn't it ? |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
yes |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
notice i left it in |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
first - the skin warts. then the tumours. |
| 00:08 |
mod6 |
see, im of the opinion that we don't cut out anything. first we add. |
| 00:08 |
asciilifeform |
add what ? |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm the first to say that the only practicable way to run this is as a two machine, serial connected thing, so that's not changing. |
| 00:08 |
mod6 |
we add patches from stuff up to 6.3 |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
oh he has a point. step 0 : merge the stuff that's acxtually useful in. |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
like what ? |
| 00:09 |
mod6 |
then once we have our baseline... something that can be used, and we can feel pretty good about with not years worth of testing, then we start to implement these major changes. then we see the UI go away from core, the rpc commands, etc. |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
even if it's the void set, still step 0. |
| 00:09 |
mod6 |
we've dealt with it for 5 years, what's another 3-6 months? |
| 00:09 |
* |
asciilifeform bored, wanders off to pet pet |
| 00:09 |
* |
mircea_popescu has serious trouble thinking people have actually used the stock braindamage for more than a few month before branching it off |
| 00:09 |
mod6 |
:( |
| 00:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49211 @ 0.000745 = 36.6622 BTC [+] {4} |
| 00:10 |
mircea_popescu |
which is by now becoming a major problem in waiting, because under the hollow pretense of the power rangers, the codebase is actually fractured to all shit. |
| 00:11 |
mod6 |
yeah, i think you're right that any place that actually gives a shit about the bitcoind they run, probably made their own changes immediately. |
| 00:12 |
mod6 |
my philosophy on this project is: first, do no harm. |
| 00:12 |
mod6 |
get us to a point where we can feel good about just what we're starting with. |
| 00:13 |
mod6 |
once there, then start to schedule in the amputations. |
| 00:22 |
mod6 |
<+mircea_popescu> even if it's the void set, still step 0. << so this totally could be a void set. but we'll certainly look at what changes are in here post v0.5.3->6.3 just to ensure that we don't miss anything (http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html) |
| 00:23 |
mod6 |
and if there is anything that's deemed "required", we'll be putting those things in. getting us to the baseline. |
| 00:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.0007423 = 8.2024 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 56 minutes ~ |
| 01:20 |
mircea_popescu |
!up britter |
| 01:21 |
mircea_popescu |
;;isup qntra.net |
| 01:21 |
gribble |
qntra.net is up |
| 01:27 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitlendingclub-use-angel-co-to-raise-seed-investment/ |
| 01:27 |
assbot |
BitLendingClub Use Angel.co To Raise Seed Investment | Qntra.net |
| 01:34 |
thestringpuller |
;;isup qntra.net |
| 01:34 |
gribble |
qntra.net is up |
| 01:41 |
cazalla |
i would not even lend them niggas a pencil |
| 01:41 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: re: your chronicles: 'importprivkey' is more or less inescpable (how the fuck can one do anything technological with the thing, lacking it?) |
| 01:42 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: but why qr codes? |
| 01:42 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWXsTaBoD7A |
| 01:42 |
assbot |
Deap Vally - Gonna Make My Own Money - Official Video - YouTube |
| 01:42 |
* |
asciilifeform waits for someone to say 'i keep all me coin in the iPnohe' |
| 01:43 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't see why qr code modem belongs in the already overcrowded rocket |
| 01:45 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform actually the qr code is a legitimate optoseparator |
| 01:45 |
asciilifeform |
crappy separator |
| 01:45 |
mircea_popescu |
there do exist qr reader guns with reasonably simple internals commonly available. |
| 01:45 |
asciilifeform |
everyone in the room & across the street can see. |
| 01:45 |
mircea_popescu |
why crappy ? |
| 01:45 |
asciilifeform |
tempest. |
| 01:46 |
mircea_popescu |
you can print just as well. |
| 01:46 |
asciilifeform |
can. |
| 01:46 |
asciilifeform |
really belongs as a piped apparatus though |
| 01:47 |
mircea_popescu |
the advantage of this arrangement is that it can be made easily and inconspicuously. |
| 01:47 |
* |
asciilifeform isn't thrilled with the encouragement of exposing privkeys to the atmosphere, so to speak, by trivial optical export |
| 01:48 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody's encouraging it. as long as it's there, people gotta keep tempest going. |
| 01:48 |
mircea_popescu |
this is expensive. let them. |
| 01:48 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: you really think it's still done with a van full of knob-twiddling sp00kz0rz ? |
| 01:49 |
mircea_popescu |
however it's done, it's still expensive and scales poorly. |
| 01:49 |
asciilifeform |
done with automatics, usable by chimp, approx. the size of iPnohe (minus receiving horn) |
| 01:49 |
mircea_popescu |
i've yet to capture one of those. |
| 01:49 |
asciilifeform |
there's one flying not far from where i live. |
| 01:49 |
mircea_popescu |
how much do you figure it cost ? |
| 01:49 |
asciilifeform |
it was announced with some fanfare, too. (who has the balloon link?) |
| 01:50 |
asciilifeform |
no idea what it costs, other than the fact usg can get as many of these as it likes. |
| 01:51 |
asciilifeform |
back to qr codes per se: who builds the reader with no stateful internals? |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
every single one i've ripped open, had a micro |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
if going for optical, better keep it edisonian. as in, helically-inscribed 1d barcode. |
| 01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess. |
| 01:52 |
asciilifeform |
then can read a la phonograph. |
| 01:53 |
asciilifeform |
print - with ordinary printer. |
| 01:54 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders if anyone has returned to paper tape |
| 01:55 |
asciilifeform |
or if it will have to wait for mechanicoin. |
| 01:56 |
asciilifeform |
and wai wat, who ever said tempest needs to scale. |
| 01:57 |
asciilifeform |
there's maybe 10 worthwhile 'patients' alive. |
| 01:57 |
asciilifeform |
and 3-5 of them are reading log here. |
| 01:59 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't understand how bureaucracy works :) |
| 01:59 |
asciilifeform |
tempest horn doesn't have to belong to the crown. |
| 01:59 |
PinkPosixPXE |
These girls are very enthusiastic about making their own money, and being independently wealthy |
| 01:59 |
PinkPosixPXE |
22:42 <+RagnarDanneskjol> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWXsTaBoD7A |
| 01:59 |
assbot |
Deap Vally - Gonna Make My Own Money - Official Video - YouTube |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
because that's totally how it works, yeah. |
| 02:01 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yea they're cool chicks - just discovered them recently. pretty decent garbage rock |
| 02:01 |
mircea_popescu |
to write run, bitch run review or not to write run, bitch, run review... |
| 02:01 |
* |
asciilifeform would like to suggest a term, 'dependently wealthy' |
| 02:01 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ha |
| 02:02 |
PinkPosixPXE |
Yea, not a bad song... Not certain how I feel about it.. interesting.. |
| 02:03 |
* |
mircea_popescu snubs nose at song. o looky, chicky got electric guitar, not catching her fingers in the chords anymore even! |
| 02:08 |
PinkPosixPXE |
"pretend you're playing rock band, and look sexy!" |
| 02:17 |
mod6 |
!up Bugpowder |
| 02:17 |
PinkPosixPXE |
re QR codes and exposing privkeys to the atmosphere: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/miller-s-lesson-guard-your-bitcoin-qr-code-1y5Uj8foQu~3Gn_qKclleQ.html |
| 02:17 |
assbot |
Oops: Guard Your Bitcoin QR Code or Else: Video - Bloomberg |
| 02:17 |
PinkPosixPXE |
hah |
| 02:18 |
mircea_popescu |
meh video |
| 02:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Bugpowder |
| 02:18 |
Bugpowder |
thanks |
| 02:19 |
mircea_popescu |
;;8ball is mod6 an impostor ? |
| 02:19 |
gribble |
The outlook is good. |
| 02:19 |
Bugpowder |
Been a while, not sure how to do it |
| 02:19 |
mircea_popescu |
ident with gribble, pm assbot !up |
| 02:19 |
mod6 |
;;gpg info mod6 |
| 02:19 |
gribble |
User 'mod6', with keyid 721705A8B71EADAF, fingerprint 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 14 17:05:58 2011, last authed on Fri Oct 24 12:42:41 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mod6 . Currently authenticated from hostmask mod6!32ea73ba7c@rider.us . |
| 02:19 |
Bugpowder |
Yall have seen this? http://arxiv-web3.library.cornell.edu/pdf/1410.1231v1.pdf |
| 02:20 |
mircea_popescu |
meh pdf. what is it ? |
| 02:20 |
Bugpowder |
Bayesian regression and Bitcoin |
| 02:20 |
Bugpowder |
Devavrat Shah Kang Zhang Laboratory for Information and Decision Systems Department of EECS Massachusetts Institute of Technology |
| 02:21 |
Bugpowder |
Profitable (previously) strategy for bitcoin trading |
| 02:21 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 02:22 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
!s Bayesian regression and Bitcoin |
| 02:22 |
assbot |
1 results for 'Bayesian regression and Bitcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Bayesian+regression+and+Bitcoin |
| 02:22 |
Bugpowder |
what I found interseting is that the primary pattern it found (Fig 4) was the exact pattern for my winning short term trades |
| 02:22 |
Bugpowder |
drop with rippple |
| 02:23 |
Bugpowder |
Of course, why they would publish this instead of exploit it is an exercise for the reader. Probably they should’ve gone to Stanford. |
| 02:23 |
mod6 |
lol |
| 02:23 |
mod6 |
cuz college makes you smrter |
| 02:23 |
Bugpowder |
Well… I think they would be more profit focused then |
| 02:24 |
* |
mircea_popescu suspects it's more valuable as a retrospective fitting than anything else |
| 02:24 |
mircea_popescu |
aka glorified ta. |
| 02:26 |
Bugpowder |
yea |
| 02:26 |
mircea_popescu |
their publishing signals that they hold the sam ebelief. |
| 02:26 |
Bugpowder |
Also, hard to exploit with a large enough stack to make it worthwhile. |
| 02:26 |
mircea_popescu |
(then again, generally i think bayesian stuff is masturbation for the uneducated intelligent.) |
| 02:26 |
Bugpowder |
It is a bit classical. |
| 02:27 |
Bugpowder |
Give me a black box, random forest bagging tree algorithm over that shit any day |
| 02:27 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, how've you been ? |
| 02:28 |
Bugpowder |
Busy |
| 02:28 |
Bugpowder |
too busy |
| 02:28 |
Bugpowder |
but good |
| 02:28 |
mircea_popescu |
did you get that what was it, grant ? |
| 02:29 |
Bugpowder |
Got lab, got space, got equipment. Small grant, applying for more |
| 02:29 |
mircea_popescu |
cool |
| 02:29 |
Bugpowder |
Foundation awards etc |
| 02:29 |
Bugpowder |
Got house |
| 02:29 |
Bugpowder |
got second kid |
| 02:29 |
Bugpowder |
got bitcar |
| 02:29 |
mircea_popescu |
o hey. |
| 02:29 |
Bugpowder |
So sad tho |
| 02:29 |
mircea_popescu |
why ?! |
| 02:29 |
Bugpowder |
I fucked up the plate |
| 02:29 |
Bugpowder |
I was a bit faded when I ordered it and didn’t read the instructinos |
| 02:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ud fuck up the plate |
| 02:29 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shut%20the%20fuck%20up | It is the upgrade of "shut up" and is used mainly when you a... ... dsl: *ding* I think the microwave has just finished cooking that plate of shut the fuck up you ... |
| 02:30 |
Bugpowder |
assumed they would center the plate |
| 02:30 |
mod6 |
the license plate bracket? |
| 02:30 |
Bugpowder |
but you need to explicitly center it with half-space characters |
| 02:30 |
mod6 |
oh nm. lost me with bitcar |
| 02:31 |
mod6 |
oh this thing? http://web.mit.edu/francov/www/citycar/ |
| 02:31 |
assbot |
Bit Car |
| 02:31 |
Bugpowder |
http://i.imgur.com/TOZ4XQ2.jpg |
| 02:32 |
Bugpowder |
left justified plate. FML |
| 02:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lol looks kinda dopey |
| 02:32 |
mircea_popescu |
big fucking deal tho. |
| 02:32 |
Bugpowder |
I can’t reorder the plate, cause the name is already taken |
| 02:32 |
Bugpowder |
hahah |
| 02:33 |
mod6 |
still, on your porsche is still hurtin' feelings |
| 02:33 |
Bugpowder |
Getting the plate was an anti-climax |
| 02:34 |
Bugpowder |
now people can recognize you if parked somewhere… which could be a negative thing... |
| 02:34 |
Bugpowder |
thought about that too late. |
| 02:34 |
Bugpowder |
anyway. Whats going on here??? |
| 02:34 |
Bugpowder |
Trolls have been banished I see |
| 02:34 |
Bugpowder |
bitbet got some whale action |
| 02:34 |
Bugpowder |
just-dice gone |
| 02:34 |
Bugpowder |
bitbook gone |
| 02:35 |
mircea_popescu |
Bugpowder qntra and the bitcoin foundation. |
| 02:35 |
mod6 |
war of life too, pretty cool new game |
| 02:35 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, qntra can prolly take some more science-minded writing. if you come up with anything talk to cazalla |
| 02:36 |
Bugpowder |
heh |
| 02:36 |
Bugpowder |
dude |
| 02:36 |
Bugpowder |
no bandwitdh |
| 02:36 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 right, and mpif going through what, five profit centers ? sad. |
| 02:36 |
Bugpowder |
is qntra listed? |
| 02:37 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
| 02:37 |
decimation |
asciilifeform et. al. it appears that this guy maintains a 'secure' bitcoin branch, as well as the dependencies: http://www.ringingliberty.com/bitcoin/ |
| 02:37 |
assbot |
Ringing Liberty | Bitcoin |
| 02:37 |
decimation |
;;seen io_error |
| 02:37 |
gribble |
I have not seen io_error. |
| 02:38 |
Bugpowder |
mpex down? |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
no ? |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
$proxies |
| 02:39 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 |
| 02:41 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.coinbr.com (466 milliseconds), mpex.co (error), mpex.biz (error), mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (error) |
| 02:41 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ |
| 02:41 |
mircea_popescu |
odd. |
| 02:42 |
mircea_popescu |
;;isup mpex.ws |
| 02:42 |
gribble |
mpex.ws is up |
| 02:42 |
mircea_popescu |
;;isup mpex.bz |
| 02:42 |
gribble |
mpex.bz is up |
| 02:42 |
mircea_popescu |
FabianB_ any idea why ? |
| 02:43 |
mod6 |
decimation: i could be wrong here, but a quick look here seems like this dude is wrapping up bitcoin 0.9.3 |
| 02:43 |
decimation |
yeah my main interest is that he catalogs the dependencies |
| 02:44 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation any definition of what "secure" means ? |
| 02:45 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: but why qr codes? << libqrencode-dev was a mistake; holdover from my experiments with 6.3 |
| 02:46 |
ben_vulpes |
ah but wait qr libs aren't in the script on ch |
| 02:49 |
mod6 |
!up Bugpowder |
| 02:50 |
decimation |
I think it's 'secure' because it uses selinux |
| 02:50 |
decimation |
the most hilarious dependency (even on ascii's 0.5.3): UPNP |
| 02:50 |
mod6 |
assbot: h8r |
| 02:51 |
mod6 |
decimation: some guys like to plug and play |
| 02:52 |
mircea_popescu |
there's linux upnp ?! |
| 02:52 |
decimation |
yeah here's the bitcoin dependency: http://miniupnp.free.fr/ |
| 02:52 |
assbot |
MiniUPnP Project HomePage |
| 02:53 |
mircea_popescu |
odd. |
| 02:53 |
mircea_popescu |
what am i missing ?! |
| 02:54 |
mod6 |
http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Millions-of-devices-vulnerable-via-UPnP-Update-1794032.html |
| 02:54 |
assbot |
Millions of devices vulnerable via UPnP - Update - The H Security: News and Features |
| 02:54 |
mod6 |
old news, but still, lulz |
| 02:55 |
ben_vulpes |
<PinkPosixPXE> re QR codes and exposing privkeys to the atmosphere: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/miller-s-lesson-guard-your-bitcoin-qr-code-1y5Uj8foQu~3Gn_qKclleQ.html << "never show anyone your public key" ya mhm bloomberg killing it again and again |
| 02:55 |
assbot |
Oops: Guard Your Bitcoin QR Code or Else: Video - Bloomberg |
| 02:57 |
ben_vulpes |
haha oh man ripped up one side and down t' other |
| 03:03 |
PinkPosixPXE |
Yep, "Oh I fucked up... don't show your public key folks!!! Just your private key!" |
| 03:03 |
PinkPosixPXE |
"ganked, as we say in gangster slang" |
| 03:03 |
mod6 |
licked |
| 03:04 |
mod6 |
;;ud licked |
| 03:04 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=licked | Licked - To get a BJ/gummer 2. Licked - To get intoxicated 3. Licked - To get physically hit or deliver a hit in a violent manner 4. Licked - To steal or to be stolen ... |
| 03:04 |
ben_vulpes |
<Bugpowder> left justified plate. FML << typical bitcoiner |
| 03:04 |
ben_vulpes |
a) "hai plz foar ams to rob me" |
| 03:05 |
ben_vulpes |
b) "lol plate ams left justified cuz i generate keys wasted" |
| 03:06 |
mircea_popescu |
wait wut ? |
| 03:07 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoin anything on anything one owns - big advertisement for rectothermal cryptanalysts |
| 03:08 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Bugpowder |
| 03:09 |
mircea_popescu |
Bugpowder : <mircea_popescu> ident with gribble, pm assbot !up |
| 03:09 |
Bugpowder |
tx |
| 03:09 |
mod6 |
i tried. assbot hates me now. |
| 03:09 |
Bugpowder |
I should have got buttcoin |
| 03:10 |
Bugpowder |
err… buttcar.. No way that would have passed the censors tho |
| 03:10 |
ben_vulpes |
Bugpowder: on the topic of bezzlenomics, i'm amused that you have a small grant, lab, equipment and...porsche. |
| 03:11 |
Bugpowder |
rich get richer, what can I say |
| 03:11 |
cazalla |
ermahgerd how am i meant to publish this article to qntra |
| 03:12 |
ben_vulpes |
no comment necessary, simply sharing lulz. |
| 03:12 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways that's it for me tonight |
| 03:13 |
mod6 |
night! |
| 03:13 |
Bugpowder |
peach |
| 03:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00074565 = 22.6678 BTC [+] |
| 03:14 |
ben_vulpes |
http://rap.genius.com/Jay-z-hello-brooklyn-20-lyrics#note-9163 |
| 03:14 |
assbot |
Jay Z Hello Brooklyn 2.0 Lyrics | Genius |
| 03:18 |
Bugpowder |
trilema down… I read about qntra laterz… night… |
| 03:19 |
mircea_popescu |
is it ? |
| 03:19 |
mod6 |
seems to be |
| 03:20 |
* |
mircea_popescu sees it, as per usual. |
| 03:21 |
thestringpuller |
Oh man I missed Bugpowder. |
| 03:23 |
thestringpuller |
;;isup mpex.co |
| 03:23 |
gribble |
mpex.co is up |
| 03:31 |
thestringpuller |
;;isup qntra.net |
| 03:31 |
gribble |
qntra.net is down |
| 03:31 |
thestringpuller |
;;isup trilema.com |
| 03:31 |
gribble |
trilema.com is down |
| 03:35 |
mod6 |
%d |
| 03:35 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 451525.68 in 1128 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: -3.84 |
| 03:35 |
mod6 |
%p |
| 03:35 |
atcbot |
>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 302.37 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s |
| 03:37 |
thestringpuller |
%tslb |
| 03:37 |
atcbot |
Time Since Last ATC Block (#47256): 0 hour(s), 4 minutes |
| 03:37 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
is noone using the p2pool anymore? |
| 03:41 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yep - noone's mined on it since the 21st |
| 03:41 |
mircea_popescu |
you can prolly safely turn it off. |
| 03:42 |
mod6 |
atcbot? |
| 03:42 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
should I check with anyone else? bingo.. also, whats the story |
| 03:42 |
mircea_popescu |
the p2pool thing |
| 03:42 |
mod6 |
ah, yeah |
| 03:43 |
mod6 |
needs some updates, i also said i'd get rid of the coinminer stats too. |
| 03:44 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly not the top priority atm |
| 03:44 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
maybe I'll ask chalbersma to switch it to a bc pool |
| 03:44 |
mod6 |
yeah, it'll be a quick update. i'll put it in tomorrow. |
| 03:46 |
HeySteve |
hi |
| 03:47 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
Hey Steve |
| 03:47 |
HeySteve |
going well, RagnarDanneskjol? |
| 03:49 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
hangin in there |
| 03:50 |
mod6 |
%p |
| 03:50 |
atcbot |
[PityThePool Hashrate]: 366.50 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 3.49 TH/s |
| 03:50 |
mod6 |
tomorrow, 6 minutes, w/e |
| |
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| 04:15 |
mircea_popescu |
;;isup qntra.net |
| 04:15 |
gribble |
qntra.net is up |
| 04:22 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/hong-kong-sar-government-sponsored-bitcoin-exchange-bitspark-goes-live/ |
| 04:22 |
assbot |
Hong Kong SAR Government Sponsored Bitcoin Exchange Bitspark Goes Live | Qntra.net |
| 04:27 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Mikayla |
| 04:29 |
HeySteve |
hey Mikayla |
| 04:29 |
HeySteve |
her pic ok, mircea_popescu? |
| 04:29 |
Mikayla |
hi HeySteve |
| 04:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i didn't get it ? |
| 04:30 |
cazalla |
bitpay got back to me as well.. "I will be following up with our Legal department on Monday in regards to disclosing bitcoin addresses to law enforcement." |
| 04:31 |
Mikayla |
sorry I see my email buggered out |
| 04:31 |
Mikayla |
it's sitting in my draft box |
| 04:34 |
mircea_popescu |
lolk |
| 04:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00074429 = 25.6036 BTC [-] |
| 04:40 |
Mikayla |
hotmail ftw.... |
| 04:40 |
thestringpuller |
old skool |
| 04:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98800 @ 0.00074527 = 73.6327 BTC [+] {4} |
| 04:43 |
HeySteve |
cazalla, you expect bitpay just rolls over? |
| 04:48 |
thestringpuller |
well wouldn't a company saying "We are gagged in disclosing what metrics law enforcement collects from us." |
| 04:48 |
thestringpuller |
be pretty damning |
| 04:49 |
cazalla |
i dunno, it's not even a good story, just slow news day so i go fishing and see what i catch |
| 04:50 |
thestringpuller |
been a slow news week |
| 04:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45830 @ 0.00074645 = 34.2098 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 05:11 |
copain_reac |
;;isup qntra.net |
| 05:11 |
gribble |
qntra.net is up |
| 05:11 |
davout |
srsly? |
| |
~ 29 minutes ~ |
| 05:40 |
TheShrander |
i get a Gateway timeout on qntra |
| 05:43 |
TheShrander |
now is ok |
| 05:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4511 @ 0.00074579 = 3.3643 BTC [-] |
| 05:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12389 @ 0.00074628 = 9.2457 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 53 minutes ~ |
| 06:52 |
cazalla |
down again :\ |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 07:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51750 @ 0.00074613 = 38.6122 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 07:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7976 @ 0.00074715 = 5.9593 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 07:47 |
danielpbarron |
cazalla, might be news or something: https://twitter.com/jja0/status/525873770188128256 |
| 07:47 |
assbot |
I just funded my absolutely GORGEOUS /hashtag/kialara?src=hash cold storage /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash token! https://t.co/1hi8mpUgpP http://t.co/y00aQO2Tws |
| 07:50 |
danielpbarron |
"proof of art" that "cold" stores 100'000 "bits" |
| 07:57 |
danielpbarron |
also, this: http://www.hackthetrackers.com/ The world needs you. Hack the Trackers brings together like-minded technologists to put these ideas into action. Join us in NYC or online for a two-day hack event to make data management transparent, accessible, and compelling. |
| 07:57 |
assbot |
Hack the Trackers |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 08:18 |
punkman |
http://threatpost.com/researcher-finds-tor-exit-node-adding-malware-to-binaries/109008 |
| 08:18 |
assbot |
Researchers Finds Malicious Tor Exit Node Adding Malware to Binaries | Threatpost | The first stop for security news |
| |
~ 34 minutes ~ |
| 08:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21834 @ 0.00074791 = 16.3299 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 09:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00074805 = 19.9355 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 55 minutes ~ |
| 10:10 |
mats_cd03 |
;;later tell BingoBoingo sure |
| 10:10 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| |
~ 1 hours 11 minutes ~ |
| 11:22 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla bingoboingo can you see qntra now ? |
| 11:30 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Mikayla |
| 11:32 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 'secure' bitcoin branch, as well as the dependencies << lol, read his faq! usg linux! |
| 11:33 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 0.5.3 UPNP - it's condemned to die, if that weren't obvious |
| 11:34 |
asciilifeform |
'never show anyone your public key' << 'in the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces!' (zapf brannigan, 'futurama') |
| 11:35 |
asciilifeform |
big advertisement for rectothermal cryptanalysts << i've seen worse. there's some fool driving around my town with '0DAY'. |
| 11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
;;isup qntra.net |
| 11:41 |
gribble |
qntra.net is up |
| 11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
aite then. |
| 11:41 |
asciilifeform |
dead here |
| 11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah well as the dead bodies clear it should be ok. |
| 11:41 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: it is somewhat mysterious why redhat doesn't want to adopt ecc crypto |
| 11:42 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: chef could easily chop wrong carrot, might accidentally end up with the less-usg-flavoured kind |
| 11:43 |
decimation |
at any rate, he has turds needed to compile arbitrary bitcoin |
| 11:43 |
decimation |
not that they will be needed for long |
| 11:43 |
asciilifeform |
so can anyone |
| 11:43 |
asciilifeform |
this isn't really a mega-challenge |
| 11:43 |
decimation |
no, it appears that even 0.5.3 compiles fine with reasonable version of openssl and bdb |
| 11:43 |
asciilifeform |
but go and, say, diff his binary with yours. |
| 11:44 |
decimation |
Somehow I still can't get your patch to match your manifest |
| 11:44 |
asciilifeform |
match how? |
| 11:44 |
decimation |
even something as simple as snipping out a few lines seems complicated |
| 11:45 |
asciilifeform |
there were two manifests; one from stock tarball, one from just the necessaries (hand-deleted crud) |
| 11:45 |
decimation |
well let's see. 6c5edfb92f95e7b8237170b1f9c197306060861cb32173bdf28d42ec0448ff57 wallet.cpp |
| 11:45 |
asciilifeform |
both prior to patch |
| 11:45 |
decimation |
that's what I get for post-patch wallet.cpp |
| 11:45 |
asciilifeform |
i didn't submit a hash for post-patch! |
| 11:45 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 11:45 |
* |
asciilifeform imagined that unix patch util actually works, and that this were not necessary |
| 11:50 |
mircea_popescu |
!up TheShrander |
| 11:50 |
decimation |
I was confused, I thought you had a pre-patch and post patch manifest |
| 11:50 |
decimation |
instead you had a pre-patch and pre-patch cut :) |
| 11:53 |
decimation |
at any rate, I got it compiled and working, immediately began downloading blocks |
| 11:54 |
decimation |
one item of note - it is amusing that the copyright notices suddenly changed from "Satoshi Nakamoto" to "The Bitcoin Developers" |
| 11:54 |
decimation |
like, is that a legal entity? |
| 11:54 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the patch removed crap that was ifdef'd out anyway |
| 11:54 |
decimation |
yeah I noted that |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation because that's how maggots become cattle owners. |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
it's... their corpse, right ? |
| 11:54 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i haven't any idea what 'the bitcoin developers' are. presumably it's a mythical set that includes, even us. |
| 11:54 |
decimation |
heh that's what I thought |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform just like "us representatives" as a mythical set includes even you. |
| 11:55 |
asciilifeform |
lelz |
| 11:55 |
asciilifeform |
let's change that string to 'bitcoin maggots' |
| 11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
let's just change it to what it originally was. |
| 11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda the point of the fucking reaction innit. |
| 11:55 |
decimation |
yeah, I would revert it all to satoshi |
| 11:56 |
* |
asciilifeform looks at 0.1 |
| 11:56 |
asciilifeform |
satoshi '09 ? |
| 11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
then qntra can run a piece about how bitcoin foundation reverted a missatribution created by usgavin of the bitcoin scamdation, where it falsely attrivbuted bitcoin to an inexistent group instead of satoshi |
| 11:56 |
decimation |
yep |
| 11:57 |
asciilifeform |
sorta misleading, considering that the turdball presently under consideration isn't maggot-free |
| 11:57 |
decimation |
yeah it's a bit early |
| 11:58 |
decimation |
but I like the sentiment |
| 11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah not yet, just, best way to publicly announce this. |
| 11:59 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: did you see this http://cryptome.org/2014/10/3-us-section.pdf |
| 11:59 |
decimation |
an interesting history of the real details of how comint was shared by the allies |
| 12:02 |
decimation |
Hut-3 and 3-US was the US liason hut at Bletchley Park: |
| 12:02 |
decimation |
"Much that went on in 3-US was not properly the business of Hut 3. Such questions, for example, as which individuals at American commands should be entitled to have access to Ultra, or what action should be taken on violations of security regulations at American commands-questions which on the British side were handled at Broadway Buildings-were normally handled in 3-US." |
| 12:03 |
decimation |
so basically there was a whole pile of people who appeared-to-be-in-charge who were not, and security was effective because a small number were involved |
| 12:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000805 = 8.05 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 12:40 |
HeySteve |
!up Mikayla |
| 12:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5813 @ 0.00080729 = 4.6928 BTC [+] {2} |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
wow@logs. seems i missed a most eventful night eh ? |
| 12:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.0008036 = 32.3047 BTC [-] |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/mika.jpg << not bad eh ? |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla email me an address. use same email. |
| 12:50 |
undata |
I got here just in time. |
| 12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
undata to see what you gotta do for senor thiel ? |
| 12:54 |
HeySteve |
thought you'd appreciate her, mircea_popescu |
| 12:55 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: my tits aren't nearly as impressive |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
undata i know a great doctor... |
| 12:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39850 @ 0.00079859 = 31.8238 BTC [-] |
| 12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rated HeySteve |
| 12:57 |
gribble |
You rated user HeySteve on Mon Jun 23 12:50:37 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: cryptocoinsnews reporter.. |
| 12:58 |
HeySteve |
not any more |
| 12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
ah ? |
| 12:58 |
HeySteve |
yeah got tired of chasing down the news, on hiatus |
| 12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate HeySteve 1 Fairer sex connoisseur |
| 12:58 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user HeySteve has changed from 1 to 1. |
| 12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
a better title anyway. |
| 12:59 |
HeySteve |
sure enough |
| 13:00 |
HeySteve |
she's getting some food, will tell her to email |
| 13:00 |
HeySteve |
argentina still treating you well, mircea_popescu? |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
lol what, you're living together ? |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
argentina is indeed a pleasure. |
| 13:00 |
HeySteve |
nope |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
yes it is. |
| 13:01 |
HeySteve |
heh ok fine |
| 13:01 |
HeySteve |
things here are still ok, if you don't turn on the news |
| 13:01 |
mircea_popescu |
o were you trying to get out ? |
| 13:02 |
HeySteve |
I can leave to Canada or EU any time but committed to some projects here for a while |
| 13:02 |
HeySteve |
but yeah, that's the long term plan |
| 13:02 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 13:04 |
HeySteve |
so I'm guessing if Gavin forks the chain, you'll be sticking with the tried and true? |
| 13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
the reaction is the reaction for not being revolutionary, after all. |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, what i do is the lesser part. the best thing gavin & co could do is fork themselves outside of this project. |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
simply leaving would be about as big a deal, but not nearly as lolproductive. |
| 13:06 |
HeySteve |
if what they do is as bad as all that, perhaps satoshi will break radio silence again |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
ain't happening. |
| 13:06 |
Duffer1 |
again? what'd i miss? |
| 13:07 |
HeySteve |
hmm but if they compromise it somehow, he could squelch them with three words, like dorian story |
| 13:07 |
Duffer1 |
oh right |
| 13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
HeySteve not really, for one thing, and more likely to wring his own neck than anything. |
| 13:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!up viorels |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Mikayla |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-25/deutsche-bank-lawyer-and-former-sec-enforcement-attorney-found-dead-apparent-suicide |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
with... a nail gun!!11 |
| 13:17 |
HeySteve |
srsly again? |
| 13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
41 year old Calogero "Charlie" Gambino o.O |
| 13:18 |
HeySteve |
this trend is robbing the guillotines |
| 13:19 |
mod6 |
^ |
| 13:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00079942 = 5.3961 BTC [+] |
| 13:32 |
Mikayla |
APPARENT suicide... |
| 13:32 |
undata |
who kills himself with a nail gun |
| 13:33 |
Mikayla |
Am I the only one who feels a conspircy coming on? |
| 13:33 |
undata |
certainly not |
| 13:33 |
Mikayla |
ya no it doesn't sound 100% effective |
| 13:33 |
Mikayla |
imagine living through it? |
| 13:33 |
* |
Mikayla shudders |
| 13:33 |
undata |
right, that's a punishment |
| 13:34 |
undata |
a suicidal person goes for effectiveness |
| 13:34 |
Mikayla |
uh huh |
| 13:34 |
Mikayla |
I feel a mob attack vibe |
| 13:34 |
undata |
"Kill him with a nail gun." "Yeah boss" |
| 13:34 |
Mikayla |
yip |
| 13:34 |
Mikayla |
haha |
| 13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
HeySteve mod6 Mikayla i dunno, i kinda feel bad for the bankers. |
| 13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
their "crimes" are entirely based on rules the government had no authority to make, and certainly has no authority to enforce. |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
they're just middleaged pencilnecks being bullied, essentially. |
| 13:36 |
Mikayla |
just the nail gun is suspect |
| 13:36 |
Mikayla |
why not gas yourself in your car? |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla speaking of mob attack vibes, what's the situation there like, for a hot white gal ? |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
to judge by the media reports it's nothing but a rapefest. |
| 13:36 |
Mikayla |
I own a bitpull. have very high walls. electronic gate. latches on the door. |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
a bitpull ?! |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahahaha epic. |
| 13:37 |
assbot |
Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/15XHWQ3.txt ) |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 5 |
| 13:37 |
undata |
those are great dogs |
| 13:37 |
undata |
Mikayla: guns too? |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
pitbulls ? |
| 13:37 |
Mikayla |
she's a rescue |
| 13:37 |
undata |
ah yeah, loyal, super fun |
| 13:38 |
Mikayla |
not a gun. yet. |
| 13:38 |
undata |
I love pits |
| 13:38 |
undata |
they'll tear someone in half, but *for you* |
| 13:38 |
Mikayla |
yip |
| 13:38 |
Mikayla |
my german shepard was poisoned |
| 13:38 |
Mikayla |
she's still a puppy but never leaves my side |
| 13:38 |
undata |
that's awful. |
| 13:39 |
undata |
Mikayla: shooting's a skill I think everyone should have |
| 13:39 |
Mikayla |
guns aren't easy to obtain here |
| 13:39 |
undata |
ah well... I grew up in texas |
| 13:39 |
undata |
they hand them out in kindergarden there |
| 13:40 |
Mikayla |
I know |
| 13:40 |
Mikayla |
but a licence takes long |
| 13:40 |
Mikayla |
and registering |
| 13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ud deturdulation |
| 13:43 |
gribble |
Google found nothing. |
| 13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
totally should be a word. |
| 13:45 |
punkman |
;;ud deturdification |
| 13:45 |
gribble |
Google found nothing. |
| 13:45 |
punkman |
I didn't ask google! |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
nevertheless! |
| 13:48 |
PinkPosixPXE |
!up Mikayla |
| 13:48 |
Mikayla |
thanks :) |
| 13:49 |
PinkPosixPXE |
sure thing :) |
| 13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
the question as to exactly *how* assbot removes her voice is left as an exercise to the onanist. |
| 13:49 |
Mikayla |
he doesn't like my boobages |
| 13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla get a wot account, i'll rate you, then you can self-voice and it be permanent. |
| 13:50 |
mircea_popescu |
lol well you do have perhaps the worst potato of a camera. |
| 13:50 |
Mikayla |
hush :/ |
| 13:50 |
Mikayla |
It's the energy saving bulbs |
| 13:50 |
mircea_popescu |
bulbous energy savings. |
| 13:50 |
PinkPosixPXE |
Hope you can stay safe Mikayla, that sounds scary. Electric gate seem like a good idea, and dogs are great protectors, or at the very least alarm systems :). I should look into an electric gate, I want to setup a few security cams soon as well (despite living in a safe neighborhood, in my opinion, no where is truly safe). |
| 13:51 |
undata |
portland is filled with zombie bums on meth |
| 13:51 |
undata |
hence, weapons |
| 13:51 |
mircea_popescu |
PinkPosixPXE no, here it's safe. |
| 13:52 |
undata |
I got my first gun after being mugged in Houston |
| 13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
so if someone tries it again you gonna smoke the mofo ? |
| 13:53 |
PinkPosixPXE |
I do own a glock 19, and have a concealed carry permit, but I'd like to prevent intruders from even bothering, before facing the alternative... |
| 13:53 |
Mikayla |
it's illegal to shoot someone here though |
| 13:53 |
Mikayla |
no idea why then guns are even allowed? |
| 13:53 |
PinkPosixPXE |
Yea, I imagine the gun laws are much different |
| 13:53 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: it would have to escalate severely for me to consider it |
| 13:53 |
Mikayla |
I don't even think you're allowed a gun in public |
| 13:54 |
Mikayla |
I know it needs to be locked in a gun safe |
| 13:54 |
mircea_popescu |
weird, i thought the boers were all about gun slingin'. |
| 13:54 |
Mikayla |
"Please mister Robber. Wait a bit white I unlock my safe to get my gun" |
| 13:54 |
undata |
it's not as though I'd take joy in blowing some mentally ill guy away |
| 13:54 |
PinkPosixPXE |
yea, they'll hold the gun straight to your head, but you better keep yours in a safe so you are a 'law abiding citizen' |
| 13:54 |
Mikayla |
I'd shoot someone in my home who planned to make me statistic |
| 13:54 |
undata |
that's bullshit |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
undata my perhaps overstated point being that unless you're ready to shoot you don't really have much use for a gun. |
| 13:55 |
Mikayla |
LOL |
| 13:55 |
Mikayla |
exactly |
| 13:55 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: reach into bag, pull out? |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
and be fed it ? |
| 13:55 |
undata |
I tend to have a laptop on me |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
guns aren't really for showing. |
| 13:55 |
Mikayla |
they're meant for shooting |
| 13:55 |
Mikayla |
which sounds so redundant |
| 13:55 |
undata |
but I moved from Houston; Portland's less about mugging and more about the odd home invasion |
| 13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla an' boots are made for walkin' ? |
| 13:56 |
Mikayla |
haha |
| 13:56 |
Mikayla |
I actually love boots |
| 13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i have yet to meet a girl with big tits that hates boots. |
| 13:56 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: inside the house it'd take me about 5sec to be ready |
| 13:56 |
Mikayla |
think it's a standard? |
| 13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, coincidence, rule of the universe, something in between... |
| 13:57 |
Mikayla |
heh |
| 13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
undata granted, against a home invasion it's a good play. |
| 13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
on the street tho... dubious at best. |
| 13:57 |
PinkPosixPXE |
In CCW training they really push the practice of grabbing your firearm as quickly as possible, and defending yourself as need be. Always keeping it in a specific spot most convenient for easy access.. etc.. just depends on the situation though.. Home vs. My car on the bad side of town.. |
| 13:57 |
Mikayla |
other bit of security is that I don't go outside at night |
| 13:58 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: maybe when the US falls apart I can just strap it |
| 13:58 |
PinkPosixPXE |
They also go over all the legalities, and what you have to truly consider, and understand comes with using your weapon, or even pulling it out/unholstering it. |
| 13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla do you go outside naked ? |
| 13:58 |
Mikayla |
I just take shitty webcam photos |
| 13:58 |
Mikayla |
*lol* |
| 13:58 |
undata |
but no, the streets aren't dangerous enough here to need that |
| 13:58 |
Mikayla |
It doesn't matter what a person goes out in |
| 13:58 |
Mikayla |
you're a target |
| 13:59 |
Mikayla |
found a man hidding in the bush once |
| 13:59 |
Mikayla |
a guy was with me and we were talking outside a neighbours home in a car |
| 13:59 |
Mikayla |
and he kept saying there's a man in that bush |
| 13:59 |
Mikayla |
it was a bush on a wall feature outside a gate |
| 13:59 |
assbot |
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| 13:59 |
Mikayla |
truce as bob. It was man. |
| 14:00 |
Mikayla |
phoned the police. A year later they're yet to show up. |
| 14:00 |
Mikayla |
I'm sure it's not illegal for my dog to kill a man in my yard though? |
| 14:00 |
Mikayla |
;) |
| 14:00 |
Mikayla |
everything has a loop hole |
| 14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
it probably is, yeh |
| 14:01 |
Mikayla |
naaaaaah |
| 14:01 |
Mikayla |
I'll take my chances |
| 14:03 |
undata |
first thing after the revolution, some goddamn sovereignty over one's personal property |
| 14:04 |
undata |
Mikayla: sorry, the state obligates you to protect that man! he's just sick. |
| 14:04 |
Mikayla |
nah well the dog can't be legally punished |
| 14:05 |
Mikayla |
I think it is a loophole |
| 14:05 |
Mikayla |
they won't ask me to put my dog down who attacked a man in my property |
| 14:05 |
mircea_popescu |
hm |
| 14:05 |
Mikayla |
I win? |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
mebbe you do, iu have no idea what the law's like there. |
| 14:06 |
Mikayla |
you can't kill someone no matter what they do sort of law |
| 14:07 |
Mikayla |
you're meant to injure them |
| 14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
well honestly, if someone tried to mug me i'd rather shoot them in the shoulder than kill them. |
| 14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
if particularly obnoxious, shoot out each knee, then each hip, then each shoulder, then call them an ambulance. |
| 14:08 |
Mikayla |
the thing is they don't just mug you here |
| 14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
about even odds they ever mug anyone again, depending if they carry insurance. |
| 14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla hence "<mircea_popescu> Mikayla speaking of mob attack vibes, what's the situation there like, for a hot white gal ? to judge by the media reports it's nothing but a rapefest." |
| 14:09 |
Mikayla |
without dampening the mood here. There was a girl, around 16, gang raped by men and a broken beer bottle.... |
| 14:09 |
Mikayla |
I'll take my chances of my dog killing the person |
| 14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
well, but is it mostly factual or mostly media hysteria is what i want to know |
| 14:09 |
Mikayla |
the media reports very poorly |
| 14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
so how do you knoiw about this girl ? |
| 14:10 |
Mikayla |
arrest rate it poor |
| 14:10 |
Mikayla |
and a person doesn't stay in prison very long - one of the reasons being the prisons are too full |
| 14:10 |
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| 14:11 |
undata |
man... I am all for the revolutionary terror of women killing attempted rapists |
| 14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
undata women suck at killing men. |
| 14:11 |
Mikayla |
news - she was mentioned quite a lot in the news due to the disgusting nature of how she died and how long it took the find the culprits |
| 14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla but do you see my point ? |
| 14:11 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: I sort of want to ask "why did no one escort her if it's that dangerous?" |
| 14:12 |
undata |
in most circles I think that labels me a sexist? |
| 14:12 |
Mikayla |
it's unfair to be chaperoned every where you go |
| 14:12 |
Mikayla |
and it isn't always easy |
| 14:12 |
mircea_popescu |
well, depends if she's the dependent sort of woman that lives as property of men or the independent sort that does not. for the latter your idea is scarcely a solution. |
| 14:12 |
Mikayla |
I've had to walk to buy electricity at night once |
| 14:12 |
Mikayla |
life happens |
| 14:12 |
PinkPosixPXE |
yea.. you can't always setup ideal situations |
| 14:12 |
Mikayla |
Only had one attack on me in the street and I was 17 then |
| 14:13 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla so what happened ? |
| 14:13 |
undata |
mircea_popescu | undata women suck at killing men. << in a violent society, what's to be done about this fact? |
| 14:13 |
Mikayla |
some old homeless guy grabbed me |
| 14:13 |
Mikayla |
ok wait - twice. |
| 14:13 |
mircea_popescu |
undata nothing. a violent society forces women into dependent roles willy-nilly. |
| 14:13 |
undata |
not saying lets all convert to Islam; my lady walks around Portland herself just fine |
| 14:13 |
Mikayla |
first time 16 and the homeless guy tried to make out with me |
| 14:14 |
Mikayla |
it's unfair a person must live like they're in a prison |
| 14:14 |
Mikayla |
everyone has a right to freedome |
| 14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla you know, the weird thing they do here, is try to kiss girls. just like that, randomly. cause this is romanticised, and so... |
| 14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla everyone has the right to the freedom they actually want. |
| 14:14 |
undata |
^^^ |
| 14:15 |
Mikayla |
it's not like a person goes and walks in the street at night because they're bored |
| 14:15 |
PinkPosixPXE |
I worked at a datacenter, on graveyards for a while, in a rough part of town, and had to walk 3 blocks in the ghetto to a parking garage every night... I had a few scary encounters, and ended up carrying a stun gun at that point. The security gaurds could escort you only so far off the property too, so you just had to be on gaurd.. |
| 14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
course the bitch of all time is that young women are exactly at an age when they're simultaneously a) unclear as to what they actually want and b) attractive. pretty much everyting about living things is made out of bottlenecks like that. |
| 14:16 |
Mikayla |
my fear of a weapon like a stun gun is that it gets used on me |
| 14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla well, strong muscular contractions. sex toy basically. |
| 14:16 |
Mikayla |
lol |
| 14:16 |
undata |
haha oh dear |
| 14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
it is. |
| 14:16 |
Mikayla |
gosh reminding me of a movie :( |
| 14:16 |
Mikayla |
um... |
| 14:16 |
Mikayla |
I spit on your grave 2 |
| 14:16 |
PinkPosixPXE |
Yea, any weapon you carry can be used against you, it's an important thing to be mindful of, that's where the training to use it, and learn some self defense tactics comes in. |
| 14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
undata what do you thing slavegirls wear dog collars for :D |
| 14:17 |
Mikayla |
at least with a gun the first shot has a major impact and quick |
| 14:17 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: in the case of the stun gun, you might get a little zap yourself |
| 14:17 |
PinkPosixPXE |
I'm very small, so someone's always going to have a natural advantage, strength wise. |
| 14:17 |
Mikayla |
oh I'm tiny |
| 14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
undata rapists these days use condoms. |
| 14:17 |
Mikayla |
5'3" |
| 14:17 |
Mikayla |
not here... |
| 14:17 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: man, progress everywhere... |
| 14:17 |
Mikayla |
gosh. I'm going to really warp your minds if I continue.... |
| 14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
no hon, teh minds are well warped. |
| 14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
im taking credit for that one. |
| 14:18 |
Mikayla |
here it's a norm to rape a 3 day old baby :( the person doesn't even care what disease they have :( |
| 14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla what's norm mean ? like, every 3yo you know got raped ? |
| 14:18 |
PinkPosixPXE |
4'11 :/ .. Yea, I'm already a little overly paranoid, I think it's wise to be so Mikayla, so good for you.. |
| 14:19 |
Mikayla |
But I am a volunteer at the voting stations so hopefully it'll change |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
wait. |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
wait a second. |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
PinkPosixPXE you're FOUR FEET ?! |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Mikayla |
| 14:19 |
Mikayla |
ta |
| 14:19 |
Mikayla |
mircea_popescu it happens A LOT |
| 14:19 |
PinkPosixPXE |
4 feet, 11 inches |
| 14:19 |
undata |
Mikayla: this is a poor black superstition thing right? |
| 14:19 |
undata |
this is what's not being mentioned |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
PinkPosixPXE so truly a pixie! |
| 14:19 |
Mikayla |
undata different reasons. Some believe having sex with a virgin cures age |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla yes but what's a lot mean. |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
having sex with a virgin does not cure age. |
| 14:20 |
Mikayla |
mircea_popescu a baby is raped or killed every 3 seconds in Africa |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
having sex with a teenager cures age. and she'd better not be a virgin. |
| 14:20 |
Mikayla |
ugh |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla according to the news ? |
| 14:20 |
undata |
Mikayla: holy fucking statistic |
| 14:20 |
Mikayla |
shuddering |
| 14:20 |
Mikayla |
change of topic |
| 14:20 |
Mikayla |
mircea_popescu statistics |
| 14:20 |
undata |
Mikayla: govt ones? |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
published by whom ? |
| 14:21 |
Mikayla |
mircea_popescu reported crimes |
| 14:21 |
Mikayla |
nevermind those not reported... |
| 14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
to make perfectly clear, my issue here is this : if one knows (from the news) that a) X event happens and b) (the news) isn't reporting it frequently enough and c) )(other parties) aren't taking enough action, |
| 14:21 |
Mikayla |
"The rate of sexual violence in South Africa is among the highest in the world. Sexual violence is the use of force or manipulation to get someone to engage in unwanted sexual activity without his or her consent.[1] An estimated of 500,000 rape cases take place in the country, every year.[" |
| 14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
this situation could be indicative of X not actually happening. |
| 14:21 |
Mikayla |
that's reported - which many aren't |
| 14:21 |
PinkPosixPXE |
mircea_popescu: yea, hehe, that's sort of how the nick evolved. Friends call me a variety of things like 'tinkerbell' etc. |
| 14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla "an estimated" is not "a reported". |
| 14:22 |
undata |
it is true; it's important to avoid hysteria |
| 14:22 |
Mikayla |
they go on police reported numbers |
| 14:22 |
Mikayla |
I've been on the police website and seen the increases |
| 14:22 |
Mikayla |
it goes into multiple 100%'s a year |
| 14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
now, i know about this hysteria first hand, because some of the safest places i;'ve ever been in are convinced hteir problem is "security" |
| 14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
whereas utter shitholes like mexico think everything's mostly fine and dandy |
| 14:22 |
Mikayla |
South Africa is not safe |
| 14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
i've never been. fluffypony seems to think it's ok. |
| 14:22 |
Mikayla |
I know Mexico is big on taking someone for ransom |
| 14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
you seem to think it's not. |
| 14:23 |
fluffypony |
Mikayla: South Africa is great |
| 14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
the media is... well... a shitpile, as per usual. what's a guy to do to find out ? |
| 14:23 |
Mikayla |
here you get abused. raped. sodomised. killed. and they steal your phone. |
| 14:23 |
fluffypony |
plus I live there |
| 14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i bet all the "sodomised!!!" news items make it hard to get butt from one's gf. |
| 14:23 |
Mikayla |
fluffypony but to do so much to someone just to rob them? |
| 14:23 |
Mikayla |
even if they're 60? |
| 14:23 |
Mikayla |
lol mircea_popescu |
| 14:24 |
decimation |
Mikayla: if it suck so bad, why not go to another country not full of child rapists |
| 14:24 |
Mikayla |
serious need a happier topic |
| 14:24 |
PinkPosixPXE |
yea, I'm terrified of Mexico, despite people I know who still will vacation there. No thanks, I don't need to take the risk. |
| 14:24 |
Mikayla |
decimation I'm trying to help to change it |
| 14:24 |
decimation |
like new zealand |
| 14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
PinkPosixPXE only place where you can actually buy the head of the chief of police. |
| 14:24 |
decimation |
lol |
| 14:24 |
Mikayla |
or australia? lol |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
australia sucks |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
besides, cazalla's from there. |
| 14:25 |
Mikayla |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZQ7NL-o6E8 |
| 14:25 |
assbot |
Trevor Noah - Melbourne Comedy Festival - YouTube |
| 14:25 |
* |
undata shows his redneck |
| 14:25 |
undata |
this is why militias |
| 14:25 |
Mikayla |
I want to live in Cape Verde |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"this" ? |
| 14:25 |
undata |
govts will just let the place burn |
| 14:25 |
decimation |
like, you are going to live in your locked mansion and fear the populace while you change them? |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
and militias won't ?! |
| 14:25 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: yes, militias tend to be drawn from the locale |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
you're at least naive. |
| 14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
pro tip : yugoslav wars were militias. |
| 14:26 |
Mikayla |
decimation I am a volunteer at multiple charity organisations and I'm a volunteer for the voting stations to stop corruption |
| 14:26 |
Mikayla |
A girl can have hope. |
| 14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
a volunteer girl huh. |
| 14:26 |
Mikayla |
we're not zimbabwe... yet. ;) |
| 14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
someone get this chick a well paid job already. |
| 14:26 |
decimation |
maybe only 60% of the vote will go to the anc? |
| 14:26 |
Mikayla |
LOL |
| 14:26 |
decimation |
you might as well hope to push a lorry up a mountain |
| 14:26 |
Mikayla |
decimation they are declining in their voting numbers - even though they cheat |
| 14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony give her something to do so she can save enough to visit me! |
| 14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i trust you, because you're married. |
| 14:27 |
Mikayla |
heh |
| 14:27 |
fluffypony |
Mikayla: are you in ZA? |
| 14:27 |
Mikayla |
yip |
| 14:27 |
fluffypony |
where? |
| 14:27 |
Mikayla |
neeeeeigh my bru.... |
| 14:27 |
Mikayla |
I don't give those sort of details :/ |
| 14:28 |
fluffypony |
moenie so wees nie |
| 14:28 |
Duffer1 |
30 min talk about rape |
| 14:28 |
Duffer1 |
asks where she lives |
| 14:28 |
HeySteve |
Mikayla you can trust fluffypony |
| 14:28 |
fluffypony |
ek vra net |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
wait. fucking wait. |
| 14:28 |
Mikayla |
PE |
| 14:28 |
fluffypony |
HeySteve is super dodgy |
| 14:28 |
Mikayla |
haha |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
south africans hello is NEEEIGH ?! |
| 14:28 |
Mikayla |
I bet |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
what are you people, fucking centaurs ?! |
| 14:28 |
fluffypony |
omg you're like round the corner from me |
| 14:28 |
fluffypony |
I'm in Plett |
| 14:28 |
HeySteve |
heh he knows me so well |
| 14:28 |
HeySteve |
anyway I'm out have a good evening all |
| 14:28 |
fluffypony |
HeySteve:-P |
| 14:28 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: how developed was yugoslavia at the time? what other factors (economic, social) were involved? |
| 14:28 |
Mikayla |
lol mircea_popescu |
| 14:28 |
Mikayla |
I'm talking like a "cape coloured" |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
undata the most developed warsaw pact country. |
| 14:28 |
Mikayla |
neeeeigh aka no |
| 14:29 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: in the wake of a collapse wouldn't there be warfare to be expected? |
| 14:29 |
Mikayla |
I like Plett but I bet christmas time it's too full for a normal citizen |
| 14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
undata the following factor is involved : me and a buddy will kick your ass. you and four buddies will kick our ass. the 100 man militia kicks the 50 man militia, right or wrong. |
| 14:29 |
fluffypony |
Mikayla: listen, man, PE is a bit of a dead zone, maar jy kan ook kaap toe |
| 14:29 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: in a time of fracture I'd expect that anyway though |
| 14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
soon enough the militias are making armies and withdrawing from towns for pure strategic reasons. |
| 14:29 |
undata |
yeah I see your point |
| 14:29 |
Mikayla |
fluffypony ya no... we're become a major fuck up... lol. You're DA territory so it's different |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
right ? so, no. the problem isn't govt being deliberately evil. |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem is that the worlkd is made so the weak get raped |
| 14:30 |
fluffypony |
Mikayla: yisssss, we're borderline Eastern Cape tho :-P |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking point of life, that's how we're even here in the first place. |
| 14:30 |
fluffypony |
Bitou Municipality ftw! |
| 14:30 |
Mikayla |
fluffypony pretty much. Haha. You're like the Mexico of America. lol |
| 14:30 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: so then... why would I want the social groups closest to me to be weak? |
| 14:30 |
Mikayla |
is it called Bitou? LOL |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
undata well, depends what you like. |
| 14:30 |
fluffypony |
yup |
| 14:30 |
fluffypony |
we're that cool |
| 14:31 |
Mikayla |
it sounds like a torrent app. lol |
| 14:31 |
fluffypony |
"where are you?" "BITOU, my ou" |
| 14:31 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: I want my private property, my family, and my friends to be protected. |
| 14:31 |
Mikayla |
fluffypony sjoe... super flow... lol |
| 14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
<Duffer1> asks where she lives << you know nine out of ten people enjoy a gangbang. |
| 14:31 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 14:31 |
fluffypony |
net so |
| 14:31 |
Mikayla |
oh I missed that |
| 14:31 |
Mikayla |
fluffypony - you're not allowed to gang bang me. |
| 14:31 |
undata |
and I want a piece of dirt big enough to contain all of those |
| 14:31 |
Mikayla |
by no circumstances! |
| 14:31 |
undata |
and the right to defend that smallish rectangle of dirt |
| 14:32 |
fluffypony |
my wife and I would never allow that, so you're all good |
| 14:32 |
undata |
other than that, let whatever powers that be do their thing. |
| 14:32 |
Mikayla |
cool |
| 14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
undata well sure, and i want to sprout sandalwood. |
| 14:32 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: the above is in no way fanciful. |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
by what standard ? |
| 14:33 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: I've told you what I want; you tell me why I can't have it. |
| 14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
because you've defined what you want using undefined functions. |
| 14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
use the api as is, not the api as you think it should be. |
| 14:34 |
chetty |
cheat, works for me |
| 14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, works for as long as it does. |
| 14:35 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: given "otherwise let the powers that be do their thing", I can likely implement the above in any moderately stable state |
| 14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony Mikayla for my own trivia file, what's "da territory" ? |
| 14:35 |
undata |
give them their paper, sign their stupid documents |
| 14:35 |
undata |
and otherwise, big fence, you're not coming in |
| 14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
undata no, but you can give yourself a passible illusion that you have. |
| 14:36 |
decimation |
I guess white folk in za have already been strongly selected, those who think there's no hope have already left. |
| 14:36 |
Mikayla |
hey? |
| 14:36 |
fluffypony |
da territory? |
| 14:36 |
fluffypony |
never heard of it |
| 14:36 |
mircea_popescu |
<Mikayla> fluffypony ya no... we're become a major fuck up... lol. You're DA territory so it's different << |
| 14:36 |
fluffypony |
OH |
| 14:36 |
Mikayla |
haha! |
| 14:36 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 14:36 |
Mikayla |
Democratic Alliance |
| 14:36 |
fluffypony |
DA = Democratic Alliance |
| 14:36 |
Mikayla |
poltical party |
| 14:36 |
Mikayla |
the best. But not where I am. |
| 14:36 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: what higher freedom than being unpestered for a bit exists? |
| 14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
none. |
| 14:37 |
Mikayla |
I sounded kinda gang |
| 14:37 |
Mikayla |
gangsta |
| 14:37 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: well... that's all I'm after. |
| 14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
undata higher level results are hard on low level machines :) |
| 14:37 |
Mikayla |
I feel super hard core. |
| 14:37 |
* |
Mikayla flexes |
| 14:37 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: we all die in the end anyway |
| 14:37 |
decimation |
sun just farted an X1.0 class flare |
| 14:37 |
chetty |
<undata> mircea_popescu: what higher freedom than being unpestered for a bit exists? |
| 14:37 |
chetty |
<mircea_popescu> none.//doing the pestering |
| 14:38 |
Mikayla |
night time here |
| 14:38 |
undata |
I have no desire to be the glorious leader. |
| 14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
that's not freedom, that's enjoyment :D |
| 14:38 |
undata |
I just want to build things. |
| 14:38 |
undata |
maybe the glorious leader can benefit from my unpestered creativity and we can come to some arrangement |
| 14:39 |
decimation |
or maybe he will convert you to bio-diesel |
| 14:39 |
undata |
and maybe the sun will engulf the earth |
| 14:39 |
undata |
living in fear is being dead already |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
undata but you see why you can't have them, right ? |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
not saying you shouldn't want em, but still. |
| 14:41 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: maybe wanting them is one half of a dynamic system |
| 14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Mikayla |
| 14:42 |
Mikayla |
wow that was a long hiccup |
| 14:42 |
Mikayla |
thanks Hellkom. |
| 14:42 |
undata |
I'm trying to find whether it's true that Hitler was going to kill his rocket scientists. |
| 14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
nah. |
| 14:43 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: seems propaganda |
| 14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
stalin did kill his army generals toh. |
| 14:43 |
Mikayla |
he was pretty sick in the head |
| 14:43 |
Mikayla |
I wouldn't put anything past Hitel |
| 14:43 |
Mikayla |
Hitler* |
| 14:43 |
Mikayla |
But I have a major respect for him on how he collected such a large following |
| 14:43 |
undata |
if it were true, it'd be a great example of power over sense |
| 14:43 |
Mikayla |
not being a good speaker he still had a crowd begging to hear him |
| 14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla especially women. |
| 14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
"Thanks for continuously debunking modern myths." <<< ahh makes me all warm inside. for what else is the scholar, if not the mythbuster. |
| 14:44 |
undata |
the short term benefit of enemies not learning the same rocketry secrets trumping the long term benefit of.... more fucking rockets |
| 14:46 |
undata |
and oh, causing your remaining engineers to go crazy. |
| 14:47 |
Mikayla |
[20:46] [Mikayla PING reply]: 49secs |
| 14:47 |
Mikayla |
- |
| 14:47 |
Mikayla |
sjoe |
| 14:47 |
Mikayla |
my internets are sucking tonight |
| 14:49 |
undata |
there's a greater gulf between feared and feared-and-loved than most leaders seem to know |
| 14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
undata kinda the difference between friendzone and sex slave. |
| 14:50 |
Mikayla |
heh |
| 14:50 |
undata |
haha |
| 14:53 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: oh, in your definition is the "need to belong" reciprocal? |
| 14:53 |
undata |
I thought about that after the conversation. Particularly, what happens when you reach the top? |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
definition of which ? |
| 14:53 |
undata |
we were talking about the inherent need for humans to belong, i.e. slavery |
| 14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
from the joys of debugging c : "I got a print in the middle of a loop and I discover it loops half the time returning pointers and half actual data" |
| 14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
undata ah ah. well, it's unclear. i think for most people at the top of their pyramid it's abstracted one way or the other. |
| 14:55 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: "belongs to God" "the cause" something? |
| 14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
if it becomes bijective the whole thing's condemned to ruin. |
| 14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda why hereditary systems do not work, ever. while the founder can not give a shit about his crown, |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
his son is born as the son of the guy wioth the crown, and it can never can become quite the "whatever!" thing for him. |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
undata well, words fail. |
| 15:02 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: the semi-formed thought is that not belonging might be the cost |
| 15:02 |
undata |
still thinking about it |
| 15:02 |
Mikayla |
I have never been so thirsty in my life |
| 15:02 |
Mikayla |
gosh. |
| 15:03 |
Mikayla |
being hungover sucks |
| 15:03 |
Mikayla |
why is alcohol the one thing a person nevers learns from? |
| 15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
only if you drink crap alcohol. |
| 15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
spoend the night drinking romanian plum distilate, the hangover's a pleasure. |
| 15:03 |
Mikayla |
gosh I think it was the combination |
| 15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
the roofies ? |
| 15:04 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: is plum liquor as delicious as it sounds? |
| 15:04 |
Mikayla |
well I am a woman and I was in a gay bar so I don't think that was the case |
| 15:04 |
Mikayla |
lol |
| 15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
undata tuica ? yes. |
| 15:05 |
undata |
I wonder if they have that here |
| 15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta be the actual stuff tho. |
| 15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
not just crapola generic alcohol with a label aded as they still do in the us. |
| 15:11 |
bounce |
dunno 'bout dem gayse. mebbe dey serve roofies standard dere, yanno. |
| 15:11 |
bounce |
though the standard fix for hangover is to just drink lots of water before going to bed. |
| 15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
well actually cabbage juice is the best fix. |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
but yeah, water helps a lot. |
| 15:13 |
undata |
also gorging on food |
| 15:13 |
undata |
before bed |
| 15:13 |
undata |
there's this poutine cart here that's a good 3am last stop |
| 15:22 |
Adlai |
bounce: better yet, alternate alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks |
| 15:23 |
Adlai |
even better, instead of water, drink water with ice + lemon, people think you're drinking twice as much alcohol and you can act twice as drunk |
| 15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
what is this, "how to drink like a girl" ? |
| 15:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.0007869 = 8.8133 BTC [-] |
| 15:27 |
* |
asciilifeform reading logs, misread 'public key' as 'pubic key' |
| 15:27 |
kakobrekla |
are you complaining about the font ? |
| 15:28 |
asciilifeform |
font lol no |
| 15:28 |
* |
asciilifeform runs local fonts |
| 15:28 |
Adlai |
indeed i do drink like a girl, i usually regret not doing so |
| 15:29 |
undata |
Adlai: just drink your fill, don't put on a show |
| 15:29 |
undata |
who gives a shit how much you drink |
| 15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
undata the guy trying to get you drunk ? |
| 15:29 |
undata |
is Adlai a girl? |
| 15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
the border is ever blurring. |
| 15:29 |
Adlai |
well, alternating drinks takes most of the bite out of the hangover, and gives the opportunity for a show |
| 15:30 |
* |
Adlai is not a girl |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
nttiawwt ? |
| 15:31 |
Adlai |
wutwutwut? |
| 15:31 |
undata |
farming cred with shirley temples |
| 15:31 |
undata |
lol |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ud nttiawwt |
| 15:31 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NTTIAWWT | Jan 13, 2008 ... An acronym for "not that there is anything wrong with that". |
| 15:32 |
Adlai |
there's wishes and then there's fact |
| 15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, you WISH you were a girl ? |
| 15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
isn't that like... even worse than actually being a girl ? |
| 15:32 |
Adlai |
not often enough to care much tbh |
| 15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
well i guess yo uat least don't wish you were a pony LIKE SOME PEOPLE |
| 15:33 |
Adlai |
being a dolphin would be sweeeet though |
| 15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
cause of the two foot schlong ? |
| 15:33 |
Adlai |
i'd name myself x!dlai |
| 15:33 |
* |
asciilifeform would rather be the sandworm from 'dune' - does that count...? |
| 15:33 |
Adlai |
sure |
| 15:34 |
ben_vulpes |
;;google fuck you i'm a dragon |
| 15:34 |
gribble |
F*ck you! I'm a Dragon! | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fck-you-im-a-dragon>; Fuck you, I'm a dragon! - Encyclopedia Dramatica: <https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Fuck_you,_I'm_a_dragon!>; Fuck you, I'm a Dragon.: <http://peasy93.tumblr.com/> |
| 15:34 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: sandworm or god emperor? |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
isn't the sandworm from dune essentially an animated shit ? |
| 15:34 |
Adlai |
iirc it's the eventual evolution of other sandworms' shit, through little worms, to big worms |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, http://41.media.tumblr.com/484899cddebfa764e3ab09c49e94c3ff/tumblr_n4wvcvz67S1stazr1o1_500.jpg |
| 15:35 |
asciilifeform |
but hey, with style. |
| 15:35 |
asciilifeform |
and substance. |
| 15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought it was mostly size. |
| 15:37 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: women suck at killing men << elaborate. doesn't the invention of light small arms sorta even the odds ? |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
| 15:38 |
cazalla |
danielpbarron: cazalla, might be news or something: https://twitter.com/jja0/status/525873770188128256 <<< those have been around a while now |
| 15:38 |
assbot |
I just funded my absolutely GORGEOUS /hashtag/kialara?src=hash cold storage /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash token! https://t.co/1hi8mpUgpP http://t.co/y00aQO2Tws |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, maybe it's the fact that women actually know how much fucking energy goes into making men, and don't so well manage to ignore it. or because they're emotionally clingy. or simply because that's how genders are hardcoded. |
| 15:38 |
asciilifeform |
lemme guess, they neglect target practice, maintenance, etc ? |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
but in any case, men tend to hurt women and women can't really get themselves to kill me. |
| 15:38 |
asciilifeform |
hm |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
to quote an ancient song, |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
Denn träfe jede Kugel apart ihren Mann, wo kriegten die Könige ihre Soldaten dann? |
| 15:40 |
asciilifeform |
lol!!! |
| 15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
the gun's not the problem. |
| 15:40 |
asciilifeform |
fredericus rex! |
| 15:40 |
* |
asciilifeform sings |
| 15:41 |
asciilifeform |
well, there are various folks living with 'pet' tigers, lions. famous joker with 7 tigers, was it, in brazil? i sorta assumed mircea_popescu's pets were similarly tame. |
| 15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
my dead nigger storage bills would be a lot more mangeable if only that were the case. |
| 15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
but no. ironically, natasha makes a much better assassin than serghey can ever hope to be. |
| 15:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00078367 = 22.1387 BTC [-] |
| 15:44 |
PinkPosixPXE |
wow those are beautiful... they put the Casascius coin to shame https://www.casascius.com/ |
| 15:44 |
assbot |
Physical Bitcoins by Casascius |
| 15:45 |
* |
Adlai loves finding these little gems... https://blog.conformal.com/bip0064-not-yet/#comment-667 |
| 15:45 |
assbot |
BIP0064 – Not yet. | Conformal Systems, LLC. |
| 15:45 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/mika.jpg << not bad eh ? <<< nice tits, shame about her going bald |
| 15:45 |
asciilifeform |
re: 'BIP': http://pbfcomics.com/194 |
| 15:45 |
assbot |
The Perry Bible Fellowship |
| 15:45 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla ^ lmao |
| 15:46 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Mikayla |
| 15:46 |
Mikayla |
ya thanks :/ |
| 15:46 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla you know, i think she also has indiscriminate sex with black men. |
| 15:46 |
PinkPosixPXE |
I'll have to google more images and info to see better shots of the kialara coin, they look pretty intricate, and much more secure than the sticker holograms on the casascius coin |
| 15:46 |
mircea_popescu |
PinkPosixPXE link if you find a good one ? |
| 15:47 |
PinkPosixPXE |
https://www.casascius.com/ |
| 15:47 |
assbot |
Physical Bitcoins by Casascius |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
no, those i know. |
| 15:48 |
PinkPosixPXE |
errr wrong paste buffer |
| 15:48 |
PinkPosixPXE |
http://www.maxfield.me/2014/09/11/coinbase/ |
| 15:48 |
assbot |
Kialara Physical Bitcoin « Photography, Illustration & Creative Retouching – Portfolio of Maxfield Mellenbruch |
| 15:48 |
PinkPosixPXE |
That shows a diagram of how it's assembled, and has an image gallery as well linked |
| 15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
$100 each ? |
| 15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
and if it's buyer funded why is it .1 btc |
| 15:49 |
Adlai |
also smancy photos here - https://ounce.me/blog/proof-of-art-kialara-bitcoin-bar-is-magically-delicious/ |
| 15:49 |
assbot |
Proof of Art: Kialara Bitcoin Bar is Magically Delicious | Ounce.me |
| 15:49 |
* |
asciilifeform really still doesn't grasp the preoccupation with 'physical bitcoins' |
| 15:49 |
asciilifeform |
car-with-reins. |
| 15:49 |
kakobrekla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2014#842126 |
| 15:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 23-09-2014 13:15:52; kakobrekla: <punkman> http://imgur.com/a/4PyZK < wtf, so much overhead for 100kbits |
| 15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform people like to fiddle and fidget. do you fidget ? |
| 15:50 |
asciilifeform |
love to fidget. |
| 15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
so then ? |
| 15:50 |
PinkPosixPXE |
yea, I don't like the .1btc limit, but if i had one for novelty, eh.. |
| 15:50 |
PinkPosixPXE |
expensive though |
| 15:50 |
punkman |
punkbot almost ready for ddos! |
| 15:50 |
PinkPosixPXE |
may be they'll go down in price over time |
| 15:50 |
PinkPosixPXE |
very pretty, and I like the design |
| 15:50 |
Adlai |
couldn't you commission one with a larger value engraved, based on how much you want to store? |
| 15:50 |
kakobrekla |
i dont care, i wipe my ass with iphones 6 |
| 15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i have no idea how they could limit the balance anyway |
| 15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla does that rhyme in slovenlian ? |
| 15:51 |
PinkPosixPXE |
oh it's more of a "please do not load more than .1btc" request |
| 15:51 |
Adlai |
why does the damn thing say "blockchain.info" though >_< |
| 15:51 |
asciilifeform |
how they could limit the balance << obvious! they watch the addr, if it's over limit - they pump out the excess, using privkey |
| 15:51 |
kakobrekla |
everything can rhyme here. |
| 15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform loller. |
| 15:51 |
asciilifeform |
amazing service. |
| 15:51 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 15:51 |
cazalla |
undata: mircea_popescu: I sort of want to ask "why did no one escort her if it's that dangerous?" <<< you need to stop victim blaming |
| 15:52 |
kakobrekla |
<PinkPosixPXE> oh it's more of a "please do not load more than .1btc" request < or it MAY break under the weight |
| 15:52 |
Adlai |
but umm yeah... you're buying private keys. this is silly. |
| 15:52 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: could you put a gpg msg in a trilema comment without all the <br>s (say, inside a <pre> tag), want to test with bot |
| 15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman that's how they already work ? brb! |
| 15:53 |
asciilifeform |
stun gun is that it gets used on me << in some u.s. cities, policemen are required to take a zap gun shot before they are licensed. |
| 15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-sbbet-july-2014-statement/#comment-103967 punkman that work ? |
| 15:53 |
assbot |
BitBet (S.BBET) July 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 15:53 |
ben_vulpes |
<Adlai> but umm yeah... you're buying private keys. this is silly. << http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/22_technical-flaws-in-early-ether-wallet-implementations.html |
| 15:53 |
assbot |
Technical Flaws in Early Ether Wallet Implementations |
| 15:53 |
kakobrekla |
uhh? |
| 15:53 |
ben_vulpes |
in retrospect that should be "ether distribution" |
| 15:53 |
ben_vulpes |
i was very tired when i wrote that. |
| 15:54 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: that has <br>s in msg |
| 15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
ah shit. |
| 15:54 |
undata |
cazalla: that's a moron's interpretation of what was said. |
| 15:55 |
asciilifeform |
safest places i;'ve ever been in are convinced hteir problem is "security" << gedankenexperiment. who is likely to see a free-range lion as an irritant? inhabitant of savannah, or of new york where one escaped from zoo? |
| 15:56 |
Adlai |
ben_vulpes: so you're telling me people paid btc for private keys that someday will contain inflationary vaporware? |
| 15:57 |
cazalla |
undata, relax, i'm just doing some early morning trollin' :P |
| 15:57 |
* |
Adlai backs even further away from ethereum |
| 15:57 |
ben_vulpes |
<Mikayla> I've had to walk to buy electricity at night once << bwaaat |
| 15:57 |
ben_vulpes |
Adlai: you're welcome. |
| 15:58 |
Adlai |
lol |
| 15:58 |
Adlai |
i wasn't too near it ten minutes ago either |
| 15:58 |
undata |
cazalla: haha, noted |
| 15:59 |
punkman |
prepaid electricity meter? those are hilarious |
| 15:59 |
asciilifeform |
over here, they give'em to folks who've gone bankrupt and lowered into pederasty on account of it |
| 15:59 |
asciilifeform |
utility connections count as 'credit' in usa |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/mpoe_sign.txt |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
the thing copumpkin was asking for a while back :D |
| 16:01 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: I was thinking I could be grabbing reports straight from comments, so you don't have to make pastebins |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
well then you'll have to filter html out of them |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
cuz comments gotta be displayed |
| 16:01 |
* |
Adlai can't tell whether "popescuity" is related to pope or promiscuity, or both |
| 16:02 |
punkman |
<pre> solves that |
| 16:02 |
punkman |
or maybe not, depends on your wp I guess |
| 16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly, it just gives responsibility to not breaking the page to the author of the message |
| 16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
which is not something he should be stuck with |
| 16:02 |
punkman |
just needs overflow:scroll, magic |
| 16:03 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu: australia sucks <<< not rly, no blacks to steal white wimminz |
| 16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
how about just nuke stuff between <>s |
| 16:03 |
punkman |
but other deeds might have html |
| 16:03 |
ben_vulpes |
NO |
| 16:03 |
ben_vulpes |
NO HTML |
| 16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla to recycle an argument from above, who is more likely to fellate a hippo ? people in the savannah, who get it up the ass all the time anyway, or people in new york ? |
| 16:03 |
asciilifeform |
anybody else here built the test turd? |
| 16:03 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu? |
| 16:03 |
PinkPosixPXE |
12:51 <+Adlai> why does the damn thing say "blockchain.info" though >_< << It says "Verify Balance at" (on top) then "Blockchain.info" at the bottom, for idiots I suppose. |
| 16:04 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: building. |
| 16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ich bin nicth ein berlincoder! |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
ehe |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
anyone who can't build that one, has problems, given as it is almost virginal |
| 16:04 |
ben_vulpes |
wrote my own patch ripping out upnp dependency, build is now taking forever. |
| 16:04 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, you're right, i imagine the few blacks that are here get a lot of white wimminz |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: broadcast it! |
| 16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, just because i can do most of the tasks one can do with a computer does not mean im particularly good at it. |
| 16:05 |
undata |
anybody know how big the testnet blockchain is? |
| 16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
undata it gets reset periodically iirc |
| 16:05 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: "let me fly the plane! i've got like 20 sim hours!" |
| 16:05 |
* |
asciilifeform isn't especially good at it either, and can't even remember how he was provoked into doing it |
| 16:05 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: so tiny, k |
| 16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes moar like "lemme pull on that plunger. sims are for sissies anyway." |
| 16:06 |
ben_vulpes |
that's a narrow hair from "just one more bag - it'll be fine." |
| 16:06 |
asciilifeform |
build is now taking forever << wai wat!? takes ~3 minutes on my (ancient, circa '07) box |
| 16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla you'd prolly love argentina. basically their citizenship criteria is "are you black ?", and black people are stuck doing street vending. |
| 16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i've yet to see a mixed couple on the street |
| 16:06 |
Mikayla |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dauJIa55fFs |
| 16:06 |
assbot |
Allan Gray Pretty Percy - YouTube |
| 16:06 |
Mikayla |
amazing advert and song |
| 16:06 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 16:06 |
Mikayla |
think you guys will enjoy it |
| 16:06 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i'm running it in a debian vm |
| 16:07 |
Mikayla |
deep and thought provoking for less than a minute vid |
| 16:07 |
ben_vulpes |
turds in turds on turds |
| 16:07 |
asciilifeform |
debian vm << running on what, x86 emulator on 'nintendo' ? |
| 16:07 |
ben_vulpes |
macos |
| 16:07 |
asciilifeform |
lolos |
| 16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Mikayla wtf is an allan gray |
| 16:07 |
kakobrekla |
north apple is best apple. |
| 16:07 |
Mikayla |
investment company |
| 16:07 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, anyone here a collector/connoisseur of ancient game machines? |
| 16:07 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: mocking paupers :( |
| 16:08 |
asciilifeform |
and knows of one with civilized rng |
| 16:08 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, fwiw, even if you were the biggest blackest nigger in all of the lands, i'd still come here each day and listen |
| 16:08 |
Mikayla |
lol |
| 16:08 |
asciilifeform |
would be hilarious to port the 'red' half of bitcoind to that. |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform wasn't it illegal to have a game machine with rng ? |
| 16:08 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'commodore-64' was legal |
| 16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla well then, i got a confession to make. |
| 16:08 |
asciilifeform |
though not strictly a game machine |
| 16:08 |
Mikayla |
cazalla kinda harsh? |
| 16:08 |
Mikayla |
lol |
| 16:09 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: north apple is best apple << that'd be soviet 'agat' computer ? |
| 16:09 |
asciilifeform |
(apple-II clone) |
| 16:09 |
cazalla |
Mikayla, how is that harsh? i just said i don't really care, i just go for low hanging troll fruits |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
"and the snake then tempted eve to upgrade" |
| 16:09 |
asciilifeform |
mocking paupers << lol, if ben_vulpes is pauper, i must be... a dervish? |
| 16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
you're alternatively paupered. |
| 16:10 |
* |
asciilifeform likes this concept |
| 16:11 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: at any rate, this is doubly funny to me, given that i grew up associating apple hardware with 'decadent rich' |
| 16:11 |
cazalla |
while i was sleeping "fivezerotwo> let's talk" has he been around? |
| 16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu <<< lol poor nano is running out of red ink and font thickness |
| 16:12 |
assbot |
Rating Details for User 'mircea_popescu' |
| 16:12 |
Adlai |
sometimes the line between retard and genius blurs: https://i.imgur.com/m09yFoF.mp4 |
| 16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen fivezerotwo |
| 16:12 |
gribble |
fivezerotwo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 11 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <fivezerotwo> That's doubtful, perhaps you got banned |
| 16:13 |
cazalla |
;;later tell fivezerotwo i was asleep, email or say whatever it is you want to say in pm |
| 16:13 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 16:15 |
asciilifeform |
wasn't it illegal to have a game machine with rng << reminds me of... |
| 16:16 |
asciilifeform |
'...since there're SO many Sega 64s floating around in the States and indeed, the world, there's probably many people alive today who wouldn't be if their governments could crack their secure messages. I'm told that at least two democratic revolutions were made possible, in part, due to PGP S-64. Right now, myself and several others are attempting to create a version of StegoSaur for the S-64. That one extra |
| 16:16 |
asciilifeform |
layer of protection could be very useful for a lot of people in the future, the way things are going in most of the world. We do have the stripper for the S-64 that strips the hidden data from a StegoSaur file, but it really should go both ways."' |
| 16:17 |
asciilifeform |
(ancient work of fiction! http://www.textfiles.com/groups/CDC/cDc-0269.txt ) |
| 16:24 |
asciilifeform |
ah, and, is the turdomatic broadcast station ready? (jurov ?) |
| 16:25 |
* |
asciilifeform nominates mac and win32 ifdefs for next firing squad |
| 16:26 |
asciilifeform |
and, naturally, ssl |
| 16:26 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> decadent rich << describes clients and their target customers quite well |
| 16:26 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes manufactures fine golden toilets ? |
| 16:26 |
ben_vulpes |
i and boys slave in golden cage, fabbing golden toilets |
| 16:26 |
asciilifeform |
need test-shitter ? |
| 16:27 |
asciilifeform |
!s saxophone |
| 16:27 |
assbot |
2 results for 'saxophone' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=saxophone |
| 16:27 |
bounce |
re nanotube running out of red, bit of a sign the communication isn't working, so more of the same isn't really the proper answer. |
| 16:27 |
bounce |
but hey, maybe he just likes that 1995 look, who knows |
| 16:27 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: spitoon, rather. |
| 16:27 |
asciilifeform |
lol re: util.cpp ! /dev/urandom !? |
| 16:31 |
asciilifeform |
and the turd's 'GetPerformanceCounter()' actually uses unix epoch time on non-winblows systems. |
| 16:31 |
asciilifeform |
never-ending lulzmine |
| 16:32 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders what to do if he finds, well, an anal orifice |
| 16:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00074148 = 35.3686 BTC [-] |
| 16:35 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: builds, runs. |
| 16:37 |
asciilifeform |
congrats ben_vulpes |
| 16:38 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes fuhrer of new reactionary btc phoundation ? |
| 16:38 |
ben_vulpes |
!up nubbins` |
| 16:38 |
ben_vulpes |
impostor |
| 16:38 |
nubbins` |
tyvm |
| 16:38 |
nubbins` |
busy weekend but have been reading logs. asciilifeform, sounds like your surgery is going well so far |
| 16:39 |
nubbins` |
bitcoin foundation charter looks good, i may propose some minor changes when i get a chance to give it another read |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: surgery was minor shave. just to demonstrate concept of what kind of turd jurov's turdomatic ought to accept |
| 16:39 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: next step is to coerce 'git' into pooping out sane patch |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: tried this, was disappointed |
| 16:39 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform nod. your chicken recipe follows a nice format too |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
went with ordinary diff -uNr a b > bitcoin-blahblah.patch |
| 16:39 |
ben_vulpes |
am now squarely out of competence zone |
| 16:40 |
ben_vulpes |
'competence' |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
forget git here |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
doesn't help. |
| 16:40 |
thestringpuller |
turd surgery |
| 16:40 |
thestringpuller |
the turd is polished? |
| 16:40 |
nubbins` |
thestringpuller heh |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
frozen turd on lathe. |
| 16:40 |
nubbins` |
i had dick surgery last night |
| 16:41 |
nubbins` |
and the room fell silent |
| 16:42 |
cazalla |
well how much did they remove nubbins` |
| 16:42 |
bounce |
"git format-patch" no good, why? |
| 16:42 |
asciilifeform |
try it |
| 16:42 |
nubbins` |
cazalla only the frequencies i don't really use |
| 16:42 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/uGhZmTJ |
| 16:42 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
| 16:42 |
nubbins` |
i swear that's me beside the bright yellow light |
| 16:42 |
bounce |
used it often enough. seems to work reasonably well. |
| 16:42 |
cazalla |
someone is blocking the fire exit |
| 16:43 |
asciilifeform |
!s patch binaries |
| 16:43 |
assbot |
7 results for 'patch binaries' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=patch+binaries |
| 16:43 |
* |
asciilifeform solved this by abolishing all non-ascii crud from package, would like to suggest this as a permanent condition |
| 16:43 |
bounce |
venue people's job to check all fire exits before the party starts and keep 'em open during, too. |
| 16:44 |
jurov |
<mircea_popescu> lol poor nano is running out of red ink and font thickness << there's always the blink tag |
| 16:44 |
* |
bounce doesn't object to ascii-only. 80 cols max while at it please. |
| 16:44 |
bounce |
blink got deimplemented to the point that people're reimplementing it with javascript. |
| 16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
well... "people" |
| 16:45 |
jurov |
<asciilifeform> turdomatic broadcast station ready? << on it |
| 16:45 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: tooling question: when working on the actual c files, should i be working in a parallel directory and then diff -uNr original_dir my_dir > patch.diff? |
| 16:46 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: i've an actual 'a' and 'b' |
| 16:46 |
asciilifeform |
so yes. |
| 16:46 |
ben_vulpes |
mkay. |
| 16:46 |
* |
asciilifeform would like to turn this into an unofficial 'gentoo' overlay at some point |
| 16:47 |
asciilifeform |
but the canonical copy (to the extent this term makes sense here) should probably be distributed via jurov's turdatron. |
| 16:48 |
nubbins` |
<+cazalla> someone is blocking the fire exit <<< that's actually the guitarist |
| 16:48 |
nubbins` |
he barfed all over Ted's bass after |
| 16:48 |
ben_vulpes |
turd_vendor |
| 16:48 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders if this escapade will progress much faster than one could reasonably expect, on account of people like jurov, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes - who actually use bitcoin 'in anger' - succumbing to the temptation to release some of their secret mods. |
| 16:49 |
ben_vulpes |
i doubt it, but who can ever tell. |
| 16:49 |
jurov |
sadly no secret mods here. my wet dreams are dedicated to haskoin |
| 16:49 |
asciilifeform |
well - the spittoon is here. shiny, new, brass. spit away, gentlemen. |
| 16:49 |
jurov |
but i consider this effor immensely useful |
| 16:50 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform what's the current line count? |
| 16:51 |
asciilifeform |
find b/ -xtype f -print0 | xargs -0 wc -l |
| 16:51 |
asciilifeform |
26321 total. |
| 16:52 |
asciilifeform |
includes various junk though. |
| 16:52 |
TheNewDeal |
in reference to the talk about nail guns before, they would definitely be useful as a weapon for inflicting fatal wounds, and they can be purchased at your local hardware store. my opinion |
| 16:52 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins` et al can easily answer questions like that on his own |
| 16:52 |
undata |
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k9v8q/givedirectly_claims_aid_system_is_broken_and_the/ << LOOOL advocating giving bitcoin to the poor |
| 16:52 |
assbot |
GiveDirectly claims Aid system is broken and the most efficient aid system is ... giving direct cash to the poor using *new technology* . Should we mail them? : Bitcoin |
| 16:52 |
undata |
and they will spend it how? |
| 16:52 |
nubbins` |
too true :/ |
| 16:53 |
jurov |
give them microscopes! |
| 16:53 |
undata |
maybe paper wallets provided there's anywhere to spend one in person (there isn't) |
| 16:54 |
nubbins` |
that's actually not bad, only ~425 pages |
| 16:54 |
cazalla |
TheNewDeal, you know that's not even an option here for if you used it on an intruder, you would need to explain "legitimate use" for keeping a nailgun next to your bed or in bedroom |
| 16:54 |
asciilifeform |
nubbins`: most of that crud really does not belong on a printed page. |
| 16:54 |
nubbins` |
budgeting 60 lines per page as a rough guide |
| 16:54 |
nubbins` |
nod |
| 16:54 |
TheNewDeal |
that's not what the talk was about |
| 16:54 |
asciilifeform |
cazalla: nailgun does not have a barrel in the usual sense. |
| 16:54 |
undata |
TheNewDeal: sure fatal wounds but if you're offing yourself, aren't there quicker ways? |
| 16:54 |
undata |
nailgun seems like a good way to bleed out slowly |
| 16:54 |
TheNewDeal |
it was speculation on a banker killing himself with a nail gun |
| 16:54 |
asciilifeform |
not really useful other than against self or a hogtied 'client' |
| 16:55 |
nubbins` |
cazalla so rip a hole in your wall |
| 16:55 |
TheNewDeal |
nubbins` so practical... |
| 16:55 |
nubbins` |
dude do you even reno |
| 16:55 |
undata |
or you just end up this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage |
| 16:55 |
assbot |
Phineas Gage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 16:55 |
undata |
and that was with a railroad spike |
| 16:55 |
TheNewDeal |
you could shoot yourself in the head and end up like gage too |
| 16:55 |
TheNewDeal |
but is it likely |
| 16:56 |
asciilifeform |
there's a moderately-well-documented case of a (small caliber) pistol lobotomy. |
| 16:56 |
undata |
asciilifeform: my stepdad used to fly medevac helicopters, saw more than a couple botched suicides that merely blew off the person's face |
| 16:57 |
asciilifeform |
ah those are SOP |
| 16:57 |
jurov |
SOP lmao |
| 16:57 |
asciilifeform |
afaik, normally poor shotgun technique |
| 16:57 |
TheNewDeal |
i've seen a guy who did it with a shotgun (many years after) |
| 16:58 |
TheNewDeal |
but if you're going to play russian roulette and hope to come out alive, good luck with your odds |
| 16:58 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: ever see 'nagant' revolver? the item 'russian roulette' was originally played with. |
| 16:58 |
undata |
haha, "russian roulette at shotgun odds" << I will use this to describe a fucked situation later. |
| 16:59 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: they're reasonably common in usa. the revelation: one could cheat. |
| 16:59 |
TheNewDeal |
negatron, not a gun nut |
| 16:59 |
asciilifeform |
the way it was built, the ratchet was not engaged when drum was spinning. a single round would settle to the bottom (opposite of barrel line.) |
| 17:00 |
asciilifeform |
so folks would play (on a bet, naturally) with opponent who did not know this. |
| 17:00 |
asciilifeform |
1890s design. |
| 17:01 |
asciilifeform |
the 'correct' (honest) way to play was to pull trigger while spinning. |
| 17:02 |
TheNewDeal |
was more of a euphemism, not meant to be literal |
| 17:02 |
asciilifeform |
i tell this story because english speakers invariably speak of 'russian roulette' without knowing this tidbit. |
| 17:02 |
TheNewDeal |
true, did not know the story |
| 17:03 |
TheNewDeal |
but seriously, suicide rates would probably go up if people switched from shotgun to nail gun |
| 17:03 |
asciilifeform |
another game, invented by the same folks who brought us 'russian roulette' (imperial-era cavalry officers, bored out of their skulls) was called 'cuckoo' |
| 17:03 |
asciilifeform |
two men in an entirely dark room, with nagants, take turns calling out 'cuckoo' |
| 17:03 |
asciilifeform |
opponent fires at sound. |
| 17:04 |
TheNewDeal |
oooo this game looks like a good drinking game |
| 17:04 |
TheNewDeal |
oh |
| 17:04 |
TheNewDeal |
looking at some different card game |
| 17:04 |
undata |
this fits with my perception of russia perfectly |
| 17:04 |
undata |
hahaha |
| 17:05 |
kakobrekla |
"drinking game" - never understood this concept. |
| 17:05 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: the only 'drinking game' that ever made sense to me was the chess set with the hollow pieces |
| 17:05 |
asciilifeform |
capture piece, must drink it |
| 17:06 |
asciilifeform |
auto-equalization of strength, at least, in theory |
| 17:06 |
undata |
that's pretty good |
| 17:06 |
kakobrekla |
master will have tolerance. |
| 17:06 |
asciilifeform |
naturally. |
| 17:06 |
asciilifeform |
hence why he is master. |
| 17:06 |
kakobrekla |
and fucked up livers. |
| 17:07 |
asciilifeform |
master of anything, will have some fucked up organ. |
| 17:07 |
undata |
probably 8 shots worth at normal sized pieces? |
| 17:08 |
TheNewDeal |
it's mostly a ploy to get the women to drink as much as the men |
| 17:08 |
* |
asciilifeform can't really picture woman playing this game |
| 17:08 |
asciilifeform |
!up nubbins` |
| 17:09 |
TheNewDeal |
The people that I would drink and play these card games with typically arent the chess sort. Although I do play Catan with another set of friends, and we often drink while playing |
| 17:10 |
bounce |
"chess boxing" |
| 17:10 |
asciilifeform |
!s chess boxing |
| 17:10 |
assbot |
0 results for 'chess boxing' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=chess+boxing |
| 17:10 |
asciilifeform |
eh. |
| 17:10 |
asciilifeform |
!s alcoholic chess |
| 17:10 |
assbot |
0 results for 'alcoholic chess' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=alcoholic+chess |
| 17:10 |
TheNewDeal |
! |
| 17:10 |
asciilifeform |
could've sworn BingoBoingo discussed this. |
| 17:10 |
TheNewDeal |
This is a travesty |
| 17:11 |
undata |
are you guys hacking the rpc bits out of bitcoind? |
| 17:11 |
ben_vulpes |
undata: 'twould be nice. |
| 17:11 |
asciilifeform |
undata: i suggested it, but turns out it would take some actual work |
| 17:11 |
undata |
how would automated services be written? |
| 17:12 |
ben_vulpes |
talk to the binary running on the machine. |
| 17:12 |
undata |
or is that not in the scope of this client? |
| 17:12 |
ben_vulpes |
also, not really in the scope. |
| 17:12 |
undata |
that's fine |
| 17:12 |
ben_vulpes |
build time down to a minute. |
| 17:12 |
asciilifeform |
undata, ben_vulpes: other serial port. (the one not connected to tx synthesis box) |
| 17:13 |
decimation |
lol ran 'sloccount' on your stripped distro ascii |
| 17:13 |
decimation |
Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 19,899 |
| 17:13 |
* |
asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to chime in with 'i've been running just this since '11...' |
| 17:13 |
decimation |
Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 624,330 (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40). |
| 17:14 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: convert to, e.g., grams of cocaine while you're at it |
| 17:14 |
decimation |
let's get it below $100k ! |
| 17:14 |
decimation |
hehe |
| 17:14 |
decimation |
yeah dependency on openssl for ecdsa is ugly |
| 17:15 |
asciilifeform |
and for keygen! |
| 17:15 |
decimation |
surely there's some free reference implementation somewhere |
| 17:15 |
bounce |
"physical sloc". sheesh. |
| 17:16 |
decimation |
we could count the number of cards it would take |
| 17:18 |
ben_vulpes |
undata: few automated services need to send btc. |
| 17:19 |
jurov |
even by hand, need toinject txs somehow |
| 17:20 |
ben_vulpes |
qrcode :D |
| 17:20 |
punkman |
maybe of interest https://github.com/kmackay/micro-ecc |
| 17:20 |
assbot |
kmackay/micro-ecc GitHub |
| 17:21 |
jurov |
pffft. what about just trivial protocol via unix socket like |
| 17:21 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 17:21 |
jurov |
SUBMIT <tx in hex> |
| 17:21 |
jurov |
and bitocind replies OK |
| 17:21 |
asciilifeform |
except rs232 and not unix socket from same box |
| 17:21 |
asciilifeform |
don't shit in the kitchen, don't eat in the toilet |
| 17:22 |
jurov |
you want to hardwire /dev/tty0 to the implementation? |
| 17:22 |
asciilifeform |
who said hardwire |
| 17:22 |
jurov |
er.. /dev/ttyS0 |
| 17:22 |
asciilifeform |
just include as config |
| 17:22 |
asciilifeform |
idiots who want to eat from toilet bowl, can loopback the thing into a tx gen on same box. |
| 17:23 |
asciilifeform |
there's your mechanism, there. |
| 17:23 |
asciilifeform |
no need for fancy contortions like unix-sockets |
| 17:23 |
jurov |
i'd prefer another trivial piece that relays between unix socket and ttyS0 or qr reader or whatever |
| 17:24 |
asciilifeform |
why not just have the daemon (nonblocking) listen on /dev/ttyxxx (virtual) ? |
| 17:24 |
jurov |
or if exclusively one client is wanted, then just pass pipe file descriptor |
| 17:25 |
jurov |
ok, i have no problem with pty either |
| 17:25 |
decimation |
yeah use pty |
| 17:25 |
asciilifeform |
this, among other reasons, is why to junk win32 port |
| 17:26 |
TheNewDeal |
did burnside ever get in trouble with the sec? |
| 17:26 |
decimation |
people who insist on windows can use the turdmeister's bitcoind |
| 17:26 |
asciilifeform |
or vm |
| 17:27 |
asciilifeform |
i bet hanbot has a dual-machine bitcoin mechanism, with 'nintendo' on other side |
| 17:27 |
asciilifeform |
or soviet calculator |
| 17:27 |
hanbot |
lmao |
| 17:27 |
hanbot |
lite-brite |
| 17:28 |
asciilifeform |
star-lite, star-brite, sign this here tx tonight |
| 17:30 |
TheNewDeal |
;;nethash |
| 17:30 |
gribble |
274802956.09 |
| 17:31 |
hanbot |
haha! where are the burning man btc gizmos anyway, i want a bitonkadonk |
| 17:31 |
bounce |
soviet slide rule |
| 17:31 |
* |
asciilifeform contemplates mechanical ecdsa |
| 17:32 |
jurov |
one can multiply 256bit numbers with slide rule? |
| 17:32 |
jurov |
or with gearbox? |
| 17:32 |
asciilifeform |
helix. |
| 17:32 |
jurov |
i'm all ears |
| 17:32 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. http://sliderulemuseum.com/Australia/CO_Browne_Cylindrical_SlideRule_PhotoByJohnWolff.jpg |
| 17:32 |
assbot |
403 Forbidden |
| 17:32 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.hpmuseum.org/big/fullclse.jpg |
| 17:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://cs.stmarys.ca/~dawson/sliderule1.jpg |
| 17:33 |
asciilifeform |
^ best |
| 17:33 |
asciilifeform |
etc |
| 17:33 |
TheNewDeal |
going to replace google searches with ascii searches from now on |
| 17:33 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/mcxnow-shuts-down-for-maintenance-again/ |
| 17:33 |
assbot |
mcxNOW Shuts Down For Maintenance (Again) | Qntra.net |
| 17:33 |
hanbot |
#1 looks like it could put the fun in functional |
| 17:34 |
asciilifeform |
put the fun in telefunken. |
| 17:35 |
hanbot |
lol |
| 17:35 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.tube-classics.de/TC/Klangfilm/EurodynAmps/KLV401/KLV401-1.jpg << nazi bitcoin node |
| 17:35 |
TheNewDeal |
hahahaa |
| 17:36 |
TheNewDeal |
hitler is satoshi!?! |
| 17:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/231303104036_1_0_1/1000x1000.jpg << waffen-ss bitkistor tube |
| 17:36 |
asciilifeform |
eh. |
| 17:36 |
undata |
TheNewDeal: son of hitler, working in secret from Argentina |
| 17:37 |
undata |
side note, the german doctor was a good film |
| 17:37 |
jurov |
hitler gave birth to a son? they got helluva good job with the gender change |
| 17:38 |
undata |
jurov: lost nazi medicine |
| 17:39 |
asciilifeform |
!up nubbins` |
| 17:40 |
nubbins` |
TheNewDeal catan! |
| 17:40 |
TheNewDeal |
hell ya |
| 17:40 |
nubbins` |
there was this site, asobrain, had a brilliant and FAST knock-off java applet version |
| 17:40 |
nubbins` |
we're talking 30-45 minute cities & knights games |
| 17:40 |
TheNewDeal |
I've never finished a cities and knights game that quick |
| 17:41 |
nubbins` |
it really sped up the game |
| 17:41 |
TheNewDeal |
oooh |
| 17:41 |
nubbins` |
not having to fumble with setup every time |
| 17:41 |
nubbins` |
shuffling tiles, those round shits, etc |
| 17:41 |
nubbins` |
stacks of cards everywhere |
| 17:41 |
TheNewDeal |
It'd be nice to have a bitcoin base game, but it would be hard to not have collusion |
| 17:42 |
nubbins` |
anyway, they eventually disabled new signups because it was too intense |
| 17:44 |
* |
jurov places an order for slide rule with about 2^256 notches |
| 17:45 |
jurov |
maaaaybe 2^64 will do |
| 17:49 |
ben_vulpes |
nubbins`: too intense? |
| 17:50 |
nubbins` |
the guy running it claimed that he wanted to spare newcomers from the crippling addiction |
| 17:50 |
TheNewDeal |
hahahaha |
| 17:50 |
TheNewDeal |
catanaddicts.com |
| 17:50 |
nubbins` |
while letting existing ones live out their remaining whithered days exchanging wheat for sheep |
| 17:51 |
nubbins` |
until they starve at their keyboards |
| 17:51 |
TheNewDeal |
I like to subtley call "wheat" "weed." Wanna trade some weed for sheep? |
| 17:51 |
nubbins` |
http://grenouillebouillie.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/building-all-the-major-open-source-web-browsers/ |
| 17:51 |
assbot |
Building all the major open-source web browsers | Grenouille Bouillie |
| 17:52 |
TheNewDeal |
Trades are verbally binding in catan ya know |
| 17:52 |
nubbins` |
nah |
| 17:52 |
nubbins` |
trade's official when you let someone touch your card |
| 17:52 |
TheNewDeal |
what if you trick them as to which card? |
| 17:53 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/woman-uses-stomach-wallet-instead-of-brain-wallet/ |
| 17:53 |
assbot |
Woman Uses Stomach Wallet Instead Of Brain Wallet | Qntra.net |
| 17:54 |
asciilifeform |
uterus wallet. |
| 17:54 |
TheNewDeal |
when are smugglers going to learn about bitcoin? |
| 17:54 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: 'there are good spies, there are famous spies, but no good+famous spies.' |
| 17:54 |
nubbins` |
tricking = no fair |
| 17:55 |
Duffer1 |
http://s102.photobucket.com/user/CelebrityCollages/media/ew-1.jpg.html the smuggler in question? |
| 17:55 |
assbot |
ew-1.jpg Photo by CelebrityCollages | Photobucket |
| 17:55 |
TheNewDeal |
nubbins` do you ever see if people will trade and then play the dev card that confiscates all the resource of one type? |
| 17:55 |
cazalla |
dat ass |
| 17:55 |
nubbins` |
TheNewDeal that's frowned upon |
| 17:56 |
nubbins` |
good way to find yourself on the wrong end of everyone else's cards 8) |
| 17:56 |
TheNewDeal |
we get pretty cut throat in our games, but you risk an unofficial trade ban if you pull it off |
| 17:57 |
nubbins` |
hm |
| 17:57 |
nubbins` |
we should discuss this further |
| 17:57 |
nubbins` |
for now, i must head out |
| 18:02 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz << am i doing it correctly? |
| 18:03 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: there's a whole lot more upnp in there |
| 18:03 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: point is not to simply disable flag, but to whittle down the turd bitwise |
| 18:04 |
jurov |
is everyone okay with the mailinglist being on therealbitcoin.org domain? |
| 18:04 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: string 'pnp' shouldn't occur in the resulting tree |
| 18:04 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: why not |
| 18:04 |
ben_vulpes |
ah. |
| 18:05 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: my suggestion was to have a plain-text view of the list (incl. patches that passed magic sig) visible there. |
| 18:05 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps with the name of the submitter parse out and diplayed conveniently |
| 18:05 |
asciilifeform |
('table' tag?) |
| 18:06 |
asciilifeform |
if patch was signed by > 1 person - their name(s) too. |
| 18:06 |
asciilifeform |
display, is, naturally, not a substitute for checking sigs on own box! |
| 18:06 |
jurov |
i'm doing standard mailman archives |
| 18:07 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: i'd love to see it at f9beb4d9.org |
| 18:07 |
jurov |
what's that? |
| 18:07 |
ben_vulpes |
the network magic bytes for mainnet |
| 18:08 |
ben_vulpes |
perhaps too obscure |
| 18:09 |
ben_vulpes |
if only mircea_popescu were still giving away domains... |
| 18:09 |
asciilifeform |
i'd throw it in 'nosuchlabs.com' but the turd lathe undertaking isn't really mine. |
| 18:10 |
ben_vulpes |
doesn't matter. |
| 18:10 |
ben_vulpes |
wherever's clever. |
| 18:14 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: how are you handling detached gpg sigs in mailman ? |
| 18:14 |
decimation |
jurov do you want my xbtfoundation.org? |
| 18:14 |
jurov |
at first only this https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/558189 |
| 18:14 |
assbot |
Bug #558189 (sf-1167696) add support for PGP and S/MIME encrypt... : Bugs : GNU Mailman |
| 18:17 |
jurov |
still looking into it how to deal with attachments |
| 18:17 |
TheNewDeal |
I apologize for the off topic questions, but does friedcat have a gpg key? |
| 18:18 |
jurov |
you want to send patches in above tar.gz format? |
| 18:18 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: unless you can think of a better idea |
| 18:18 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: inline sigs end up with patch mutilated into uselessness with escape chars |
| 18:18 |
jurov |
ah that |
| 18:19 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: important thing is that patches and sigs must stay married |
| 18:20 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: also at some point we ought to have people sign off on others' patches, once they read |
| 18:20 |
asciilifeform |
this is why i was so preoccupied (see yesterday's log) with keeping them as small as physically possible |
| 18:21 |
jurov |
ic, the tarball is easy be signed by others |
| 18:21 |
asciilifeform |
pgp/gpg mandatory mutilation of clearsigned text makes me retch |
| 18:22 |
asciilifeform |
but we're stuck with it. |
| 18:23 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> jurov: also at some point we ought to have people sign off on others' patches, once they read << would a new tarball with sig attached suffice? |
| 18:23 |
asciilifeform |
ugly |
| 18:23 |
asciilifeform |
ideally, we'd have a patch and a collection of detached sigs of the plain ascii of the patch |
| 18:23 |
ben_vulpes |
responses to patch thread with sigs? |
| 18:23 |
asciilifeform |
to feed into some mechanized viewer at a later time |
| 18:23 |
jurov |
no it's looking like one attachment the tarball, another attachment the signature |
| 18:24 |
jurov |
which must be named similarly |
| 18:24 |
jurov |
other people shall reply and send only their signatures |
| 18:24 |
jurov |
with same names |
| 18:24 |
asciilifeform |
signatures of ascii patch? |
| 18:24 |
asciilifeform |
or tarred |
| 18:25 |
jurov |
when multiple files are needed, can be tarred |
| 18:25 |
asciilifeform |
possible to have two attachments, plain ascii patch - and, second, detached sig of the former ? |
| 18:25 |
asciilifeform |
i suggest one patch file per patch |
| 18:25 |
asciilifeform |
as with my example |
| 18:26 |
asciilifeform |
merging, incidentally, will be a bitch. |
| 18:26 |
asciilifeform |
and nothing can really be done about this. |
| 18:26 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: to digress, what's the rationale behind keeping makefile.linux-mingw? |
| 18:26 |
asciilifeform |
none |
| 18:26 |
jurov |
it'll actually be fileformat and filecount agnostic... |
| 18:27 |
asciilifeform |
i simply didn't zap win32, left it for other folks |
| 18:27 |
jurov |
as long as each patch can be uniquely identified and paired with relevant sigs |
| 18:27 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: so, describe procedure for posting |
| 18:27 |
asciilifeform |
mail message with - body, sig of body, attachment1 (patch), attachment2 (sig of patch) ? |
| 18:28 |
jurov |
thus ... for every attachment named patch-author-id attach also patch-author-id.sig |
| 18:28 |
asciilifeform |
what about message body? (text) |
| 18:28 |
jurov |
and whoever want to sign it, sends patch-author-id.sig too |
| 18:29 |
jurov |
is message body so important? |
| 18:29 |
asciilifeform |
spam control |
| 18:29 |
jurov |
*text |
| 18:29 |
asciilifeform |
barbarians should not be able to piss in the soup |
| 18:30 |
jurov |
Yes. then the patch above can be used: "A post will be distributed only if the PGP signature on the post is from one of the list members." |
| 18:30 |
asciilifeform |
there we go. |
| 18:31 |
jurov |
i have to try it first what the "signature on the post" means if it si not S/MIME |
| 18:31 |
jurov |
then i'll report |
| 18:39 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, anyone ever screened the pnSeed[] crap for known shitgnome ip ranges ? |
| 18:39 |
asciilifeform |
(net.cpp) |
| 18:39 |
asciilifeform |
not that they're this stupid - but then again... |
| 18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
dashjr... |
| 18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
wrong seed. |
| 18:40 |
asciilifeform |
!s dashjr |
| 18:40 |
assbot |
1 results for 'dashjr' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dashjr |
| 18:40 |
asciilifeform |
luke? |
| 18:40 |
ben_vulpes |
the same. |
| 18:40 |
* |
asciilifeform missed this |
| 18:41 |
ben_vulpes |
"dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org", |
| 18:41 |
* |
asciilifeform likes mircea_popescu tip for user-configurable magic numbers for all magicnumberconstants |
| 18:42 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: does "tree" entail "contrib" as well? |
| 18:42 |
asciilifeform |
i zapped it |
| 18:42 |
ben_vulpes |
ag |
| 18:42 |
asciilifeform |
project is, my understanding, about essential functionality |
| 18:42 |
ben_vulpes |
ah |
| 18:42 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. that which 'bitcoinates' |
| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
gilding can be applied to the lily - later. |
| 18:44 |
asciilifeform |
we want, i dare say, a basic minimal 'bitkistor.' |
| 18:45 |
ben_vulpes |
kistor? |
| 18:45 |
asciilifeform |
a la resistor |
| 18:45 |
asciilifeform |
thyristor |
| 18:45 |
asciilifeform |
etc |
| 18:45 |
asciilifeform |
bitk-. |
| 18:46 |
ben_vulpes |
yes yes |
| 18:46 |
ben_vulpes |
whence the k tho |
| 18:46 |
asciilifeform |
i don't like what english does to 'c'. |
| 18:46 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate, what do i even have to do with this. cough up yer own name. |
| 18:48 |
ben_vulpes |
you're the literate one... |
| 18:48 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
| 18:49 |
* |
asciilifeform shudders to think what illiteracy looks like, if this were so |
| 18:50 |
ben_vulpes |
the test-bitcoin line in makefile.unix - is that where i should look for running tests? |
| 18:51 |
* |
asciilifeform never tried this |
| 18:51 |
asciilifeform |
if planning to screw with the things those are testing - might want to |
| 18:51 |
ben_vulpes |
i have zero familiarity with the c ecosystem |
| 18:51 |
ben_vulpes |
would like to run tests, write tests, etc |
| 18:51 |
asciilifeform |
seems to contain very basic tests for things like script |
| 18:52 |
ben_vulpes |
oh lol |
| 18:52 |
ben_vulpes |
test_bitcoin.cpp |
| 18:52 |
asciilifeform |
satoshi's 0.1 does not include them |
| 18:52 |
asciilifeform |
no idea about his last release |
| 18:54 |
ben_vulpes |
this is kind of terrifying. |
| 18:54 |
ben_vulpes |
i build the thing, and then boot it, and if getblockcount increments under my eye - it passes? |
| 18:54 |
ben_vulpes |
surely there's more rigor possible than this. |
| 18:55 |
asciilifeform |
only way to even begin test, is to fire it in anger |
| 18:55 |
ben_vulpes |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25881.0 << tragedy |
| 18:56 |
assbot |
[RFC] Bitcoin QA : Continuous integration, testing robot |
| 18:56 |
asciilifeform |
tragedy << comedy |
| 18:57 |
asciilifeform |
'testing can reveal the presence of bugs, but never their absence.' (dijkstra?) |
| 18:58 |
* |
ben_vulpes shrugs |
| 18:59 |
ben_vulpes |
i'd like to have a thing that built a patch; booted the resulting artifact on testnet, mined some TN coins, sent them to itself, etc |
| 18:59 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: why not? go write. |
| 19:00 |
ben_vulpes |
right right |
| |
~ 23 minutes ~ |
| 19:23 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/conformal-release-bitcoin-transaction-simulator/ might be of some interest to some |
| 19:23 |
assbot |
Conformal Release Bitcoin Transaction Simulator | Qntra.net |
| 19:24 |
ben_vulpes |
what are the stats of this "one machine"? |
| 19:27 |
cazalla |
they don't say, i'll send an email |
| 19:28 |
cazalla |
actually, ben_vulpes was that even in response to article or chat above |
| 19:28 |
ben_vulpes |
article. |
| 19:29 |
ben_vulpes |
cazalla: ^^ |
| 19:30 |
kakobrekla |
> A single machine acting as a full node takes approximately 10 minutes to verify and process a 32 MB block, meaning that a 32 MB block size is near the maximum one could expect to handle with 1 machine acting as a full node < but how is a single machine going to catch up when it falls behind ? never ? |
| 19:30 |
ben_vulpes |
myeah. |
| 19:30 |
ben_vulpes |
watch that turn out to be an aws maxi-sized VPS |
| 19:32 |
kakobrekla |
never ? < ah i got it. wait 18 months for computing power to double |
| 19:34 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz << i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks. |
| |
↖ |
| 19:34 |
asciilifeform |
32 MB block << obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811154 |
| 19:34 |
assbot |
Logged on 27-08-2014 01:00:10; asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.' |
| 19:35 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: neato |
| 19:35 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: toss it in jurov's turdatron when the latter's ready. |
| 19:36 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: considering that this fix should not have changed the built binary one byte, you probably did not need to do the live-fire test. |
| 19:36 |
asciilifeform |
(assuming you had upnp disabled in flags before) |
| 19:42 |
ben_vulpes |
did indeed. |
| 19:42 |
ben_vulpes |
best to do it correctly, though. and binaries are not my concern - source is. |
| 19:42 |
asciilifeform |
if making 'cosmetic' change, can diff the binaries (after stripping debug crud) |
| 19:43 |
ben_vulpes |
does UPNP removal count as a cosmetic change? |
| 19:43 |
asciilifeform |
if it was zapped by flag to begin with |
| 19:44 |
asciilifeform |
(as on any sane build) |
| 19:47 |
ben_vulpes |
it's at least an example of the desired process. |
| 19:48 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: note that 'hops on the network and downloads blocks' is not necessarily equivalent to 'works' |
| 19:49 |
kakobrekla |
in reality no one will ever know if it works. |
| 19:49 |
asciilifeform |
see dijkstra, yes. |
| 19:50 |
asciilifeform |
although, i'll spill the one bean, that the point of my particular long-term 'fits in head' compaction for it, is to determine (for my own perverse pleasure) whether: it works. |
| 19:51 |
ben_vulpes |
what a turd |
| 19:52 |
ben_vulpes |
what a miserable, beautiful turd. |
| 19:52 |
asciilifeform |
where's the beauty? |
| 19:52 |
asciilifeform |
wish i could see it. |
| 19:52 |
kakobrekla |
'fits in head' < meh, some folks fit 50k digits of pi in ther head. |
| 19:52 |
kakobrekla |
their* |
| 19:52 |
asciilifeform |
not enough to fit in your stomach, for something to be food. |
| 19:52 |
asciilifeform |
can fit a kg or two of cement there. |
| 19:53 |
kakobrekla |
exactly |
| 19:53 |
asciilifeform |
when i say 'fits in head', i mean in the same way mechanism of doorknob, or kalashnikov. |
| 19:53 |
kakobrekla |
the test "if you can stomach" it is not the best one imho |
| 19:53 |
asciilifeform |
stomach+digest. |
| 19:53 |
ben_vulpes |
if it does what it says on the tin, i find it a vastly more palatable meal than say a dollar |
| 19:54 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: as kakobrekla pointed out, this cannot be established - at least, quite certainly not given the extant turd. |
| 19:55 |
ben_vulpes |
few things are certain even to those capable of reasoning about them. i must fumble in the dark making guesses. my guess though, is that some parts of it work. |
| 19:56 |
ben_vulpes |
but tis but a guess and that guess from me, and discounts should be applied heavily. |
| 19:56 |
kakobrekla |
still this is very arbitrary. can expect to stuff this in avg head and also on the other hand some people can digest some funky shit. |
| 19:56 |
kakobrekla |
s/can/cant |
| 19:56 |
asciilifeform |
a theoretically minimal bitcoinator will not fit in 'avg head,' no. |
| 19:56 |
asciilifeform |
'things can be made as simple as possible, not simpler.' |
| 19:57 |
kakobrekla |
just saying the standard is poorly defined. |
| 19:59 |
asciilifeform |
https://pp.vk.me/c7001/c618816/v618816635/1e44b/Bt6xoFbT-Vo.jpg |
| 20:00 |
kakobrekla |
shopped |
| 20:00 |
asciilifeform |
lol, never! |
| 20:01 |
asciilifeform |
seekr1t propulsion mechanism revealed. |
| 20:02 |
thestringpuller |
!s turd |
| 20:02 |
assbot |
374 results for 'turd' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=turd |
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| 20:05 |
danielpbarron |
!up HFSPLUS |
| 20:05 |
asciilifeform |
!down HFSPLUS |
| 20:06 |
asciilifeform |
known idiot |
| 20:06 |
asciilifeform |
1000 names |
| 20:06 |
danielpbarron |
oh.. i greped for his nick and ip.. |
| 20:06 |
asciilifeform |
obnoxiously retarded |
| 20:06 |
asciilifeform |
suspected bot (what living thing is that persistent? possibly only mircea_popescu's jar mouse...) |
| 20:07 |
kakobrekla |
danielpbarron protip: do no work, do no sin. |
| 20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
wait wut ? |
| 20:07 |
asciilifeform |
'meow mix' as jar mouse. |
| 20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 20:09 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, i had excellent seafood in caviar sauce. |
| 20:10 |
* |
asciilifeform misses cheap soviet caviar (not 'cheapened', but actually cheap, on account of geography) |
| 20:10 |
* |
mircea_popescu recalls that. |
| 20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
used to get the nice sprots too. |
| 20:10 |
asciilifeform |
i still get these! |
| 20:10 |
asciilifeform |
importers. |
| 20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
not nearly as nice. |
| 20:10 |
asciilifeform |
same can, even. |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah but i think they;'re faking the smoke |
| 20:11 |
asciilifeform |
they did for a while |
| 20:11 |
asciilifeform |
until proper smoke was quietly re-legalized |
| 20:11 |
asciilifeform |
post-2010 or so, real, afaik |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
unrelated : http://31.media.tumblr.com/06291c34f0d38f06ffe32399c076be35/tumblr_ndt569fpn01ra163eo1_500.jpg |
| 20:11 |
* |
asciilifeform checks sprat supply |
| 20:11 |
kakobrekla |
whats the story there ascii |
| 20:12 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: for a spell, eu banned smoked foods (!) - because 'carcinogen' - and then latvia, eu circa '04, got the sharp end of the ban |
| 20:13 |
asciilifeform |
sprats (iconic canned fish, familiar to virtually all sovblok folks) started shipping with 'synthetic smoke' |
| 20:13 |
asciilifeform |
a terrible erzats |
| 20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
really it's the can. black and gold. |
| 20:14 |
asciilifeform |
i presently get my (and got the woman addicted likewise, when first met even) sprat fix from a german importer in wash. dc |
| 20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform nothing really goes with vodka and olives |
| 20:14 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 20:14 |
asciilifeform |
there is no substitute for standard sprats. none. |
| 20:15 |
* |
asciilifeform counts three cans |
| 20:15 |
jurov |
are theses sprats cryptographically signed? |
| 20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.thecopydude.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/images/spratcan.jpg |
| 20:15 |
asciilifeform |
aha those are the plus-sizers! |
| 20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov no, they're olphactorily signed |
| 20:15 |
jurov |
yes i like em too |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform similarly there's no substitute for salt pickles |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
wasabi |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
long list of specific food items |
| 20:16 |
asciilifeform |
hehe |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
can't make deviled eggs without salt pickles fro crying out loud |
| 20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
cookign is a lot like coding |
| 20:17 |
asciilifeform |
but more important. |
| 20:17 |
chetty |
ahhh grouper |
| 20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell cazalla http://38.media.tumblr.com/7ad4654847475e56874e1c73cb6d7c24/tumblr_n4ncm0tcwb1rm35woo2_r2_400.gif |
| 20:17 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 20:17 |
cazalla |
oh, it's a dude |
| 20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
http://33.media.tumblr.com/0ae9539266e74aeb2aac66691d6211fd/tumblr_n4ncm0tcwb1rm35woo6_r2_400.gif << b lack dongs see ? |
| 20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
they work wonders |
| 20:18 |
asciilifeform |
arse with eye? can see colour? |
| 20:19 |
cazalla |
his ass looks like it has labia |
| 20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
it can ~feel~ the color! |
| 20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla mostly because the feminine folds are adaptative rather than aesthetic |
| 20:19 |
asciilifeform |
champions of synaesthesia. |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: http://owl.ru/morits/stih/off-records142.htm << translator's challenge! |
| 20:20 |
assbot |
- - |
| 20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
but i am not a translator!1 |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
lellzies |
| 20:21 |
cazalla |
aren't they both? |
| 20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
Bomber with a bomb, off to kill you! If you're not an idiot, you'll shoot it down. Either you do, or it kills you! If it kills you, this brave plane, then he's a brave patriot and you're just as idiotically dead. On the contrary... well... it's a sore plane. Very sore plane. Otherwise, he died a patriot, flying a bomb your way, wanting to kill you. But lucky for you - you weren't an idiot. |
| 20:24 |
chetty |
два идиота |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
dva idiota should be a tattoo. |
| 20:24 |
chetty |
:D |
| 20:25 |
cazalla |
seems most men prefer little to no labia but given one of the first i saw was a beat to shit jpg from a bbs, i would argue labia certainly have an aesthetic quality about them |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
and ftr, stih is directly "verse" in romanian. |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla a preference of no labia is indicative of the pedo. |
| 20:26 |
kakobrekla |
<mircea_popescu> and ftr, stih is directly "verse" in romanian. < same |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
let's celebrate! http://33.media.tumblr.com/f4470f90ceb68d4aa2cd5a3727563baa/tumblr_n4ncm0tcwb1rm35woo9_r1_400.gif |
| 20:29 |
cazalla |
makes me wonder why mr hands didn't opt for a toy like that, must've been the horse itself |
| 20:33 |
cazalla |
someone is determined to advertise nike air shoes on qntra |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://pastebin.com/qmZmz0Vc << approximate! |
| 20:38 |
assbot |
The Idiot and the Airplane. - Pastebin.com |
| 20:48 |
ben_vulpes |
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/95d888a6d1f659a5cb81124e0d97966b9de1f139 |
| 20:48 |
assbot |
Key import and export 95d888a bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub |
| 20:48 |
ben_vulpes |
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/v0.6.0?page=11 |
| 20:48 |
assbot |
Commits bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub |
| 20:53 |
mod6 |
can someone take the time to create a document outlining how to submit a patch to said forthcoming mailing list? |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: only jurov knows |
| 20:56 |
mod6 |
and more-over, all the steps/requirements involved in creating such a patch. |
| 20:56 |
mod6 |
we should have some sort of sop involved. |
| 20:56 |
asciilifeform |
the 'chicken' turd i posted, plus the last day or so of log |
| 20:56 |
mod6 |
lot of ideas have flown by in here over the last 2+ days, solid ideas that should be documented. |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
contains more or less the entire sop, other than the secret of how to operate jurov's turdatron. |
| 20:57 |
mod6 |
what is ``jurov's turdatron''? |
| 20:57 |
asciilifeform |
!s jurov mailman |
| 20:57 |
assbot |
6 results for 'jurov mailman' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jurov+mailman |
| 20:58 |
mod6 |
oh mailman. that's all you had to say :) |
| 20:58 |
ben_vulpes |
mailing list that accepts messages from assbot's l2 |
| 20:58 |
asciilifeform |
not a generic mailman! |
| 20:59 |
kakobrekla |
if you need some place for notes, temporarily or not, you can use ba wiki. |
| 20:59 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: you drafted yourself as maintainer - perhaps do this |
| 21:02 |
ben_vulpes |
certainly. |
| 21:03 |
danielpbarron |
!up jonvaage |
| 21:03 |
kakobrekla |
if this is same dude.... |
| 21:06 |
danielpbarron |
New rating | jonvaage > 5 > DanielKrawisz | Friend from Austin Bitcion Meetup and Mises Circle - Brilliant articles at http://nakamotoinstitute.org/ |
| 21:06 |
assbot |
Satoshi Nakamoto Institute |
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| 21:32 |
asciilifeform |
http://trilema.com/2014/the-tok-o-capercaillie-or-the-herd-of-harts << mircea_popescu took delivery of some very potent smokables ? |
| 21:32 |
assbot |
The tok o’ capercaillie or the herd of harts ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/qmZmz0Vc << try better one ? |
| 21:34 |
assbot |
The Idiot and the Airplane. - Pastebin.com |
| 21:34 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 21:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00074694 = 6.0502 BTC [+] {2} |
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| 22:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9761 @ 0.00074776 = 7.2989 BTC [+] |
| 22:14 |
mod6 |
/names |
| 22:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00074989 = 9.0737 BTC [+] |
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| 22:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00074997 = 7.4997 BTC [+] {2} |
| 22:57 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: did you manage to compile your package on osx? I find that there are weird linux dependencies in the irc code |
| 23:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00075063 = 2.7023 BTC [+] |
| 23:11 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform my speciality is fast not good. |
| 23:12 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: ben_vulpes: did you manage to compile your package on osx? I find that there are weird linux dependencies in the irc code << i thought the irc code was out. |
| 23:13 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it's in. |
| 23:14 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: didja even bother to read that thing. |
| 23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
mmm |
| 23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i prolly read summaries. |
| 23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!up teek |
| 23:15 |
decimation |
I found that if you s/MSG_NOSIGNAL/SO_NOSIGPIPE/ the thing compiles (using macports g++-mp-4.7) |
| 23:15 |
* |
asciilifeform recommends snippety-snip for the osx crap |
| 23:15 |
decimation |
this is probably relevant to BSD |
| 23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
but apparently half the peons here are on os/x |
| 23:16 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
| 23:16 |
decimation |
eh, it's the closest tool at hand |
| 23:16 |
asciilifeform |
http://noahdesu.github.io/2014/01/16/port-sendmsg.html |
| 23:16 |
assbot |
Porting MSG_MORE and MSG_NOSIGPIPE to OS X – Noah Watkins |
| 23:16 |
decimation |
I think a custom gentoo vm is the way to go |
| 23:16 |
asciilifeform |
if vm, why not openbsd. |
| 23:16 |
mircea_popescu |
a vm generally is possibly the way out. |
| 23:17 |
asciilifeform |
i suggested a qemu image earlier, if anyone recalls. |
| 23:17 |
asciilifeform |
hammered as flat as possible |
| 23:17 |
asciilifeform |
though it was for build, and not necessarily run |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
allow me to help productivity in my own way : http://38.media.tumblr.com/d115bc959beaec5322325a203d1e7218/tumblr_ndgishmEWi1tcc457o9_500.jpg |
| 23:18 |
asciilifeform |
is that a shoehorn? |
| 23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
thinks people ask about porn. "is that a shoehorn ?" |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
shoehorns are a neglected but important piece of infrastructure! |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
how many usaschwitz inmates even own a shoehorn. |
| 23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
here's a funny story : i have a maid here. as maids do, she has decided on a sorting of items in my place and is enforcing it unless one tells her better. which is the great unknown and unsung power of the default. |
| 23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
on the other hand, im not sure she knows what a shoehorn is, |
| 23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
because she's decided it goes IN my very nice marble mortar and pestle. |
| 23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
with the pestle. |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
the first time this happened chicks discovert it, i was like ew! and laughed at her. but then i forgot to say anything, so sure enough, next time... |
| 23:23 |
kakobrekla |
perhaps one of those silly 'life hacks' |
| 23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
oh ? |
| 23:23 |
kakobrekla |
"you have been drinking milk wrong all your life" |
| 23:23 |
kakobrekla |
as seen on youtube. |
| 23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, http://33.media.tumblr.com/f0d7ec5bda367de4c55560d4a3c6a51d/tumblr_nbyricWpNd1ty964ho1_400.gif |
| 23:23 |
asciilifeform |
'really it's to be sipped with yer arsehole' |
| 23:24 |
asciilifeform |
that kind of 'hack' |
| 23:24 |
kakobrekla |
yea |
| 23:24 |
kakobrekla |
they do these. |
| 23:24 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: she thinks it's to scoop out what's been ground? |
| 23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
undata possibly. |
| 23:25 |
kakobrekla |
who is suppose to be enjoying this, him or her? |
| 23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla it's just the definition of "shoehorned" |
| 23:25 |
kakobrekla |
or maybe even him or him |
| 23:25 |
undata |
ouch |
| 23:25 |
undata |
well I guess I wouldn't know, but seems like ouch |
| 23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
undata the heel is metallic, but doesn't seem threaded... |
| 23:26 |
undata |
I mean, I've never stuck anything up there; could be great |
| 23:26 |
undata |
I'll probably pass... |
| 23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
undata too late for that, clearly you're into sounding |
| 23:27 |
undata |
ah fuck |
| 23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
working hard to prepare for mr thiel |
| 23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
why DID you think they're called "pencildicks" ? |
| 23:28 |
decimation |
arg. it compiles, but doesnt' link on osx without gymnastics |
| 23:28 |
decimation |
yeah maybe openbsd is a good idea |
| 23:28 |
asciilifeform |
once the toy os crap is junked, can 'have nice things' |
| 23:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00075274 = 6.0972 BTC [+] |
| 23:29 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: is there a 'port' package for boost? |
| 23:29 |
asciilifeform |
no idea |
| 23:29 |
asciilifeform |
probably |
| 23:30 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: https://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=library&substr=boost |
| 23:30 |
assbot |
The MacPorts Project -- Available Ports |
| 23:30 |
decimation |
oh yeah I am using the macports version |
| 23:30 |
decimation |
I mean openbsd port |
| 23:30 |
decimation |
their packaging turd |
| 23:31 |
decimation |
I'm sure compiling that shit from scratch would be a nightmare |
| 23:31 |
asciilifeform |
exists, yes |
| 23:32 |
asciilifeform |
http://openports.se/devel/boost |
| 23:32 |
assbot |
OpenPorts.se | The OpenBSD package collection |
| 23:33 |
decimation |
awesome. |
| 23:33 |
decimation |
osx looks good from the outside, but when you walk into the engine room you find chairs glued to the ceiling and rotating clown cars |
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| 23:33 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/03SKVZX.txt ) |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
!b 1 |
| 23:34 |
undata |
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/darth-vader-goes-to-polls-in-ukraine-and-wants-to-turn-state-into-galactic-empire-30690003.html |
| 23:34 |
assbot |
'Darth Vader' goes to polls in Ukraine and wants to turn state into 'galactic empire' - Independent.ie |
| 23:35 |
decimation |
this is a healthy development for their democracy, satan's world is on display |
| 23:36 |
asciilifeform |
in usa we had a version of this. vermin supreme. |
| 23:36 |
asciilifeform |
(yes, his official name!) |
| 23:36 |
decimation |
there's also predator and its 2 governors |
| 23:36 |
asciilifeform |
i vote for him without fail. |
| 23:37 |
decimation |
I wish that there were an option on the us ballot for "I vote against this entire system and an immediate constitutional convention" |
| 23:37 |
decimation |
kinda like the voter's version of nullification |
| 23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
<decimation> osx looks good from the outside, but when you walk into the engine room you find chairs glued to the ceiling and rotating clown cars << ahahhaha |
| 23:46 |
ben_vulpes |
vermin supreme! |
| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2xQTUhbqcew/TvPYh-RptCI/AAAAAAAACww/foMLym8SDKU/s1600/Vermin+Supreme.jpg |
| 23:47 |
decimation |
I guess voting for vermin supreme would be the 'fuck you and the horse you rode in on' vote |
| 23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
they have these "suprema de x" breakfast dishes here |
| 23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation "I vote against this entire system and an immediate constitutional convention" <<< that's not on the ballot. you can actually convene one. like, right now. |
| 23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
just get enough people to sign for it. |
| 23:49 |
decimation |
yeah that's kinda true, except you would have the entire bureaucrat/media/faceless mass against you |
| 23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
as opposed to when ? |
| 23:49 |
decimation |
might as well wear a boot on your head and shout at strangers |
| 23:50 |
decimation |
yeah, good point |
| 23:50 |
decimation |
mr. yarvin had a post where he hypothesized that if there were a credible alternative to usg it would immediately crumble |
| 23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda his job, neh ? |
| 23:51 |
ben_vulpes |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWcef6rQ9dg |
| 23:51 |
assbot |
My name is Vermin Supreme w/ video - YouTube |
| 23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google chuckie egg |
| 23:52 |
gribble |
Chuckie Egg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuckie_Egg>; Chuckie Egg - Flash BBCMicro Game Remake - Play Online: <http://www.repton3.co.uk/>; Play Chuckie Egg - Classic Arcade Games: <http://www.classicgamesarcade.com/game/21686/chuckie-egg.html> |
| 23:52 |
ben_vulpes |
<decimation> ben_vulpes: did you manage to compile your package on osx? << not even trying. i set up a virtualized debian toolchain. |
| 23:52 |
decimation |
heh |
| 23:52 |
decimation |
I have it almost compiling except boost is giving me shitty linking errors |
| 23:52 |
decimation |
I think asciilifeform is right, better to run on a real os |
| 23:53 |
ben_vulpes |
debian and gentoo seem to be the choices. |
| 23:54 |
decimation |
what, no bsd? :) |
| 23:54 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: I tried earlier on gentoo; it wanted a different openssl than ssh did, so I gave up. |
| 23:54 |
decimation |
yeah that's the rhel bitcoin guy's point |
| 23:54 |
decimation |
he has a complete version of openssl that will work with bitcoin, you can download the src.rpm and build for arbitrary unix |
| 23:55 |
ben_vulpes |
undata: i'm using debian. |
| 23:55 |
ben_vulpes |
!s bitcoin dark secret |
| 23:55 |
assbot |
0 results for 'bitcoin dark secret' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoin+dark+secret |
| 23:55 |
ben_vulpes |
o.O |
| 23:56 |
mircea_popescu |
!s darkest secret |
| 23:56 |
assbot |
2 results for 'darkest secret' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=darkest+secret |
| 23:57 |
ben_vulpes |
bad search as a service |
| 23:57 |
ben_vulpes |
no venture investment |